td2-build-advice

[flint arch]

i hate prototypes, but this is the last straw. im joining iKia and moving to warframe

[worn imp]

Based

[silver peak]

the other haha number so big game

[strong cave]

Skills need a nerf in pvp to be fair. Tier 0 is still very strong

[worn imp]

only one problem: warframe doesnt have fun difficult gameplay to incentivize numbeer crunching like in division games

[subtle bluff]

that was for weapons.
I said gear is different but follows this.

[silver peak]

someone not playing attention and stepping on explosive traps at tier 6 should instantly die

give them a like 3 sec arm time

[round siren]

I made this build With the new exotic and named weapon with the new core gear. I’m still trying to figure out how the gear works and would love some advise or tips please!

[urban latch]

Is this just a bug or am I missing some reason why I cant upgrade this?

[silver peak]

id call that more than fair

[flint arch]

i suggest starting over

[strong cave]

Yeah THAT I agree with. High tier skills should hit very hard. Tier 0 shouldn't hit how they should right now

[round siren]

How so?

[flint arch]

Concentrated Company guide

[strong cave]

Won't let you if you have it equipped I think. Unless I'm misunderstanding

[silver peak]

well i mean like idk how you balance some of them cause like with foam even a nano sec of stun time gives a lot of value

[urban latch]

that was it... thats dumb

[silver peak]

they could just make it a movement pen and only have it stop at 6

[cerulean smelt]

tolling us iwth Ninja?

[flint arch]

in short:

• we don't use fenris pieces anymore, kinda got powercrept
• ninjabike bag is a big no-no. you lose way more from dropping the backpack talent than any stats you could gain from mix and matching pieces
• core strength is bad for pve, gives you absolutely no amps or anything

[round siren]

No? Why would I troll?

[silver peak]

its not bad its just out preformed

[strong cave]

Yeah I found out reading in chat the other day. I made my harvest prototype but I never had it equipped. Had I not read what I saw, I probably would've made the same mistake. Game seems to re-roll it like an exotic and it gives it back to you as a new piece. You'll find in your build loadouts the pieces will be missing too. You'll need to resave it to a build slot

[silver peak]

dont do proto stuff rn
its very buggy and weird

[cerulean smelt]

it's additive damage when you can do something else and get multiplictive damage

[silver peak]

some dudes lexi just got obliterated into thin air

support will prolly give it back but still

[flint arch]

game is very 🅱️olished

[strong cave]

Support answers their tickets? Since when? 🙏 I've got so much pvp cheating evidence

[round siren]

What do you suggest I use instead of core?

[silver peak]

it was one with the skins on it so i think it would look real bad if they did not

[flint arch]

i love u🅱️isoft

[flint arch]

are you aiming for DPS

[silver peak]

-# heartbreaker

[subtle bluff]

did that work? You have to relog afterwards too

[round siren]

Yes

[urban latch]

I didnt have to relog, maybe because I already tried that lol

[subtle bluff]

Well there a visual bug that doesn't show everything correctly

[flint arch]

boring-ass Striker, or so as they say
Tipping Scales (LMG)
Concentrated Company

[strong cave]

Relog because there's also visual bug with the proto stats

Chow said it yeah

[silver peak]

why no turmoil on scales its bonkers

you shoot more at one enemy so you maintain stacks

[subtle bluff]

I like melting one target at a time.

If it's the one rushing me I'd really rather melt that one vs 2 of them.

[flint arch]

-# and no i will not recommend red heartbreaker, i am 100% of the opinion that it's just a worse striker and i will die on that hill

[strong cave]

I'm gonna get flamed in chat, won't be my first time... But I myself like turmoil in some use cases. They've grown on me. Haven't used them in a bit tho

[silver peak]

kill this guy

[cerulean smelt]

because whehter you have single target to multiple targets your damage is permanently 50%

[subtle bluff]

THere are places where turmoil can and is good but in overall general.

[silver peak]

10000 sticky bombs

[strong cave]

I myself use turmoil on 1 tap pistol builds and with my girl when she runs it too

[round siren]

Alr thanks

[subtle bluff]

He's not wrong HB has a strength going all red isn't worth it.

[strong cave]

We mainly do it for funny haha and it works out well for 2 people

[silver peak]

i find half and half is a good balance

[strong cave]

I used to like heartbreaker myself with blues but found it genuinely is just a worse striker. Or striker with extra steps

[silver peak]

also if u dont use vigilance with hb u are not doing it right

[cerulean smelt]

same, my 2nd account i had it since i was being lazy to farm up a striker set 😹

[strong cave]

It got completely replaced with Ongoing Directive

[silver peak]

only real ones remember hb on release

[subtle bluff]

not me

[silver peak]

shit was a monster

[strong cave]

I mean, when that bonus armor goes away you're basically back to playing "pixel peek" like with striker Vigi. I'd rather run memento

I get armor, damage and skill efficiency

[silver peak]

it sucks it was nerfed it was bonkers and so much fun
it used to be a 170% dmg increase then they changed it to only 100%

[round siren]

Is this better?

[worn imp]

WHERE OVERDOG 🤬

[rough pendant]

why 5 pieces

[silver peak]

y u got a tipping scales piece

[round siren]

I dunno what else to use 😭

[silver peak]

i cannot be bothered to kill things that are not directly in front of me

[rough pendant]

change gloves

[solar sable]

replace fenris for Ceska, TS knees for strikers and a grupo vest with Obliterate or Equalizer

[worn imp]

fair. but WHERE COYOTES then? 🤬

[rough pendant]

use this instead

[silver peak]

drip.

[worn imp]

😭

[rough pendant]

163% headshot dmg using only the mods of the season XD

[round siren]

Alr thanks!

[worn imp]

"motor of St Elmo lol"

[rough pendant]

im using eagle bearer :P

[worn imp]

?

[silver peak]

istg why cant they just give us a dye that changes nothing this bug that swaps dye color makes me want to blow my shit clean off

[rough pendant]

its just a visual glitch

[strong cave]

You guys still having that problem? It lets me peel my dyes off my gear/apparel

[worn imp]

these emoji reactions are gold bro

[silver peak]

its still around for backpacks

[strong cave]

Odd. Lets me do it even on those

[silver peak]

i think in the apparel slot at least
whenever i fast travel it re equips the last used dye for my pack and its annoying as shit

[rough pendant]

XD

[worn imp]

still dont believe you, you should be using the motor of saint elmo bro

[rough pendant]

for u i will start using blue screen

[worn imp]

🟦

okay yall good chat. good night.

[soft crane]

damn, level 140 and already got EB

[rough pendant]

BT Retal baby

[soft crane]

you crafted it?

[rough pendant]

yes yesterday

[soft crane]

ah ok

[rough pendant]

but she came good

[soft crane]

lucky you, also already reached level 6 expertise

[worn imp]

manz be on tha griiinnndd

[rough pendant]

one friend teached me to take all what i dont want and put on expertise

[soft crane]

yeah its quite a grind so might as well work on it as early as possible

you got damn good luck all around

[rough pendant]

working on it

[soft crane]

ye ye

huh, server restarting in 19 mins?

[rough pendant]

yes

[silver peak]

ngl just wait like 2 days or whatever till the boost event then go nuts

[rough pendant]

Yes, normally you need 20 pieces of the same item to reach maximum proficiency in it, but with the event you only need 10.

Its just grind Houndsman Bounty

[silver peak]

or countdown

[rough pendant]

This tooXD

[lone glacier]

Proficiency Boost is gonna be some hardcore farming days..

[silver peak]

ngl countdown better cause you getting the credits and optimization mats too

[round latch]

Any advice? tryna get better DPS but i'm also a solo player so I need to stay alive.

[flint arch]

Striker guide

[buoyant berry]

Almost afraid to ask what that 1pc of Heartbreaker is doing

[flint arch]

emotional support

[lone glacier]

to get heartbroken

[round latch]

170k armor

[silver peak]

you would be better off using a high end piece for the brand set bonus

[strong cave]

Improvised sounds good

[lone glacier]

🤢

[flint arch]

[buoyant berry]

The heartbroker was the matchmaking randoms we made along the way

[round siren]

@solar sable whats a good vest I should use for obliterate

[solar sable]

go for Equalizer, UA brand

[round siren]

Ahh ok thanks!

[hexed steppe]

modifiers
split defense - consume offense - convert 1 offense : 40:0:25 , can i make this better?
hsd kinda seems to be the goto for dps

[honest moss]

I have been doing convert:saturate(dump stat):invert(same stat for convert)

Saw someone mention it in general yesterday i think.

Gets 45 into the desired module

[hexed steppe]

thats a little better for sure

[lone glacier]

What do you want from the modifier?

[hexed steppe]

im pushing some hsd from it

i can drive up the handling, but its less useful

[lone glacier]

Convert 1 (Off), Compress (Off), Nullify. gives you 135 HSD, 10 Armor, 20 SD

[hexed steppe]

where im at now minus the armor 😂
appreciate the feedback 💯

[lone glacier]

If you only want HSD and SD you could also go Saturate Defense, Cascade and Convert 1 Offense

That would be 129 HSD and 43% SD

Saturate Offense, Cascade, Convert 1 Utility for 21.5% Armor and 43% Skill Repair and vice versa.

[buoyant perch]

Optional. It's easy to stack to 200 with frenzy and chunga. But it's really difficult to maintain 200 stack with enemies hiding in cover and moving around. IMO gc has more stable dps.

[flint arch]

i like how a lot of the problems in escalation also stem from the enemy AI still being heroic enemy AI

[lost wren]

so builds don't really change that much, just run standard striker dps as usual even for higher tiers?

[hexed steppe]

i like the nullify route. gives me armor i didnt have and maintains same hsd

definitely a few ways to get where youre going

[lone glacier]

Nullify hands down the goat of all modifiers, allows for the best modifiers

[buoyant perch]

More or less. Someone in my team suggests one person run prototype hollowman to speed up chunga kill but that's about it.

[lost wren]

what skills

can't imagine shield be any useful especially with pvgc

[buoyant perch]

Revival hive and decoy

[lost wren]

thought so

so basically just

[buoyant perch]

Enemies damage in high tier is ridiculous so tier 6 foundry bulwark tank still gets shredded like paper (we tried). If you are paper thin anyway, might as well run glass for the extra damage.

[lost wren]

i've been running red striker dps for as long as i remember, just wanted to ask if escalation might need some more unique stuuff

[lone glacier]

Are you really, really sure about running PVGC Striker?

[lost wren]

i've been using it for most of my leggo runs so

[lone glacier]

Oh fair, carry on

[buoyant perch]

Not so much about build but more so in terms of positioning and team coordination

[coral reef]

This made the most sense to me for my first all-Prototype for Escalation... HEALS FOR EVERYONE 🫡

[subtle bluff]

You don't even know what I've been doing to support ecsalation

[lost wren]

how the hell do you already have this

[coral reef]

*Heals and 128% extra damage for everyone

[coral reef]

Just converted my old build with the materials from deconstructing ptoto gear

[lost wren]

oh right you're expertise 30 i assume

[flint arch]

i still need to do escalation someday

[lost wren]

i'm only expertise 13

[late coral]

did they nerf royal works? wasnt it 32% crit?

[coral reef]

It does not make sense to upgrade the restorer hive, right? Like... duration???

[subtle bluff]

Duration imo is pointless on resto hive. Picking it back up to recharger is always the better opition

[lost wren]

not being expertise 30 is going to be hell for farming prototype gear

[round siren]

@solar sable is this peak? 58.2% crit chance 80.0% crit damage

[subtle bluff]

what the hek is is Rroyal works?

[lone glacier]

I ran some solo, its aight but nothing special. The modifiers can be ass at times

[solar sable]

solid, although now all you need is Overdogs gloves and 4pc strikers 🤌

[coral reef]

Its just the same old missions... with a chance for proto gear dropping

[round siren]

It is 4pc striker and I do need underdog

[lost wren]

is prototype gear even worth it

[coral reef]

And increasing bullet sponges

[flint arch]

It's just Heroic but with buffed enemies from what I've seen

[solar sable]

yeah

[flint arch]

So basically, half of the time the enemies will just not shoot at you

[subtle bluff]

is that a rifle has the primary?

[lost wren]

and a whole lot more of them i think

[ivory abyss]

Is the new brand set being used for anything?

[round siren]

Yes so that the exotic can charge up

[flint arch]

Unlike in leggo where the enemies rush you every chance they get, which means that yes, you get shot a lot, but you can also shoot them more

[subtle bluff]

Rifles are really bad for strikers

@solar sable look better!

[lone glacier]

We need Legendary difficulty everywhere, with White Tusk AI added to Hyena, Outcast, True Sons, Rikers and Cleaners

[lost wren]

no wonder it feels so slow

[round siren]

It’s the new rifle or what should I use then? The new named one has super fast fire rate and high damage

[subtle bluff]

+790 RPM

[solar sable]

never sir

[round siren]

I could use interchange which is basically the same thing

[round siren]

Also thanks for the help doom! And everyone else!

[hexed steppe]

if you can stack with your main, rifle isnt really too bad on strikers. i used to rock m1a on mine until i shifted to lmg/ar. hits hard on stacks

[subtle bluff]

Any weapon +790 rpm with either kililer or measured.

[hexed steppe]

obv not stacking with the rifle

[round siren]

Alr

[hexed steppe]

but yeah, acrss isnt good as a main

[subtle bluff]

Watch the Striker build faster but also the Dmg ramp faster

[round siren]

I’ll just use dark winter it has perfect killer good thing I have it lol

[hexed steppe]

you might just consider negotiators after you get that striker build finished. you just replace the striker with nego and keep the same highend/exotic pieces

[subtle bluff]

You do not need a named weapon.

You can see in the clip above it's just a normal M4..

[lost wren]

oh yeah is nego decent enough for escalation?

[round siren]

Alr

[hexed steppe]

nego plays well with rifle/lmg/ar

[lost wren]

nego bluescreen with ovd and pvgc should be good

[shy willow]

nego works but you have to be really on point with your marks

[subtle bluff]

Yes but you need to know how to adjust to it's playstyle or else it'll not be so good

[shy willow]

for me i just use striker or future in escalation

[lost wren]

yeah fair

i primarily use eq or pvgc striker

[subtle bluff]

On the right mission rav nego!!

[hexed steppe]

yes, i havent been to anything higher than 3 atm since its all matchmaking randomly, but my normal nego rolls through fine. mortar also does well btw 😎

[lost wren]

determined mortar when

[hexed steppe]

ikr

[shy willow]

i wonder if even one shot nego with rav could do some of these bosses man

[misty fjord]

whats a good build for retal?

[solar sable]

OD Tinkerer

[flint arch]

your mortarganda

[hexed steppe]

ill change my mind on determined if my mortar can headshot toes

[shy willow]

HP gotta be in the billions at this rate

[hexed steppe]

it never ends

[solar sable]

and never will

[flint arch]

your cheap tricks will not work on me funny guy

[hexed steppe]

mortar did tear shit up tho. i wasnt sure when i first got in, but it was shining. i was also set with utility modifiers so ymmv

[lone glacier]

I really need to finish my OD build..

[hexed steppe]

you can do that. just make sure your crit is within 2% of 60cap

[hexed steppe]

and make sure you have chance rolled on your bluescreen

[lost wren]

yup, already there

[hexed steppe]

ignore the hsd, its from passives

[round siren]

@subtle bluff is this good rifle to use?

[lost wren]

dttooc over chc

[round siren]

What does that mean

[lost wren]

damage to targets out of cover

[round siren]

Ah ok

[subtle bluff]

Any weapon that is:
+790 RPM
with DTTooC
Killer (solo) Measured everything else.

Elmo and Iron Lung work too.

[keen zenith]

does busy little bee multiply damage or add

[buoyant perch]

the former

[subtle bluff]

It's a amp.

[keen zenith]

wow

[hexed steppe]

sacrifice or ceska glass are pretty even. ceska actually wins on my setup by 1k. go with whatever is faster to farm

[lost wren]

oh i have both

[misty fjord]

question do anyone have a build i can use for retal?

[solar sable]

OD Tinkerer

[misty fjord]

im sorry what?

[hexed steppe]

i use the nego build i posted above. #td2-build-advice message

od - ongoing directive with tinkerer mask and 2 lmg

[solar sable]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10Zu9fKBuzxZ_EDlx_hkm2HN_f_KZltlZu7I8LRyceVE/edit?usp=sharing

[hexed steppe]

was just about to mention a guide

whippersnappers are faster than gramps

[solar sable]

c'mon

[hexed steppe]

faster typing anyways

[lone glacier]

we getting old..

[hexed steppe]

no doubts

[misty fjord]

ah ok but i dont understand tinker mask when i read it

[hexed steppe]

it can use the talent from 2 highend guns on the primary, #1 spot

no named or exo work with it tho

[smoky latch]

Wen next BT retal session?

[hexed steppe]

you generally see 1 sadist and the other measured or killer. both need to be the same weapon type also

[solar sable]

whenever lol
Im on rn

[hexed steppe]

you guys suck, i just logged

[misty fjord]

oh i see

[solar sable]

get on gramps

[smoky latch]

Log back. Wrong message

[hexed steppe]

nah, im on call starting early this am, gotta hit the sack soon

[lone glacier]

I woulda joined but its 5 am for me. I need to head out for work in 30 minutes

[solar sable]

dang it

[smoky latch]

LOL

This community is kaputt. I love it.

[lone glacier]

What can I say.. I've been grinding too much

[smoky latch]

Don't let your rl grind suffer, bro

[lone glacier]

Nah nah, self employment life

[smoky latch]

Alright!

[hexed steppe]

have a good night all

[smoky latch]

Good night

[shy willow]

How this update has genuinely affected my brain chemistry

[haughty shale]

This is me but it's was always a holster and I instantly want to jump off a bridge every time

[tall jackal]

Nah, now I need Exotic Components more than anything lmao

[junior lagoon]

What exotic could it be? You guys have all by now

[vague zodiac]

in division 2 basically lmgs are the meta. Coz AR has a wasted attribute on Health damage by force, while lmg has nothing wasted but all attributes are the best it can be. Smgs also have no wasted attribute but the range and accuracy are too low compared to AR and LMGs. lMG basically has the accuracy of AR and a bigger mag, just a slightly different crosshair. Shotguns have a wasted atteibute on DTA, and the only disadvantage of lmg is it cannot use the shield. Thats basically it. Other games nerf lmgs by giving it a slow walk speed, but I think all sprint speed are the same in div2, in div 1 you used fo run faster with pistols. So basically all builds should be done around lmgs imo.

[shy willow]

Not really, there's a reason ARs are by far the most popular weapon class

The heath damage isn't wasted necessarily either, very helpful for plating and proxies and such

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no. Numbers wise yes LMG but gameplay wise LMG will suppress way easier which is a problem.

[keen zenith]

is obliterate multiplicative

[coral reef]

I kinda agree, everyone running st.elmo when iron lung is so much better

[shy willow]

It's additive to TWD

[vague zodiac]

Yeah in escalation and legendary strongholds it's all the lmgs carrying the team's dps and holding all the hard angles, while AR players jump around not knowing what they are doing.

[shy willow]

So if you don't have any other sources of that, yes

[livid sorrel]

i think it's just a matter of having more ar players and therefore more bad ar players

[shy willow]

Speak for yourself😭

[haughty shale]

Hmmm Idk. I don't like low base mag size of iron lung

[junior lagoon]

You need to open those chests at some point

[vague zodiac]

In early game AR is the way to go, but later on when u wanna play higher difficulty pve, the only way is to grind lmgs. Like at around shd lvl 700 u're gonna realize these stuff.

[shy willow]

i only open to make room for other caches😭 i get field proficiency caches way too often

[vague zodiac]

I'm kinda stupid so i realize this at shd lvl 700, i guess smarter players realize the fact that lmg is the meta when they are like shd lvl 200.

[shy willow]

look at my shd😭

[haughty shale]

Lexington, St. Elmo, Eagle Bearer, Police M4, etc.

[shy willow]

I'm not one to brag but if I put up numbers I don't see what the problem with assault rifles is lol

[sweet moon]

Big Alejandro my GOAT

[shy willow]

i have it on purely just for the barricade at the end of gwh

thing has like a trillion HP

[sweet moon]

I use it as my "Get out of my way" technique, personally

[shy willow]

everywhere else i got my stack broker

[sweet moon]

One day I'll use ARs again

[haughty shale]

Like to say LMG is better than ARs, it isnt incorrect. But what will add to it is ARs have a wider use case. I find a lot of times LMG just supress way too much and it can be annoying

[sweet moon]

I'd say they both have valid use cases

[shy willow]

in terms of raw damage lmgs will be better but theyre much more annoying to use

[vague zodiac]

It's just a fact that DTOC is number 1, chc and chd is number 2. And this can only be done with lmgs. AR just wastes an attrbute on health damage.

[shy willow]

if you need a lot of sustained dps obviously lmgs are gonna be a lot better

[sweet moon]

Or if you wanna feel like Rambo

[shy willow]

youre barking up the wrong tree😭

[shy willow]

^

[haughty shale]

I wouldn't say it's wasted. I think its in the top 5 best effects to have.

[sweet moon]

Tipping Scales holding the buff for suppressing enemies is peak, though

[vague zodiac]

Ikr, I dont like the crosshair, or the playstyle, but its the only way to beat escalation or descent.

[shy willow]

not the only way at all😭

[sweet moon]

God help us all if they let us Prototype Exotic gear

[vague zodiac]

Like i really dont know how to aim after using lmgs for 2h haha

[shy willow]

ive gone up to T6 solo with a lex so

[sweet moon]

I should really bash my head against Escalation

[shy willow]

i daren't go any higher alone though until i get more coins

[sweet moon]

But I also want to bully Team 9, and get the drops

That is a question I have, actually. How many coins is it to Prototype your gear?

[shy willow]

one prototype core + whatever you spend to get your item to expertise 30

[vague zodiac]

Definitely do the math and use lmgs for higher tiers in escalation

[sweet moon]

Oh, sweet. I only need 5ish coins

Plus the Proficiency event on the 7th...
Might be getting my gear upped

[shy willow]

this is just going in circles i cba

[haughty shale]

Im still on that expertise grind. Im at 24

[sweet moon]

Use whatever works, is my suggestion. If you can kill them reliably, you're doing something right

[shy willow]

good news is triple proficiency event tomorrow

[haughty shale]

This

[haughty shale]

Problem is full time job

[shy willow]

oof

[sweet moon]

Sacrifice resources

That's what I do to fast track a fair amount of Expertise levels in a very short time

[haughty shale]

All i know is Eagle bearer is my favorite weapon of all time. Don't care

Fun fact, attachment wise it's better than St. Elmo. Its got 5% more crit dmg

[livid sorrel]

average discussion in #td2-build-advice

[haughty shale]

True true

[silent storm]

We using this with Capacitor and CHC attributes to make a DPS Yellow build?

[haughty shale]

I love core strength

Its the best gear set to come out in a while

[livid sorrel]

in the sense that it'd be more weapon damage than a different full yellow sure

[haughty shale]

Hell, id go so far to say NBB has a genuine use now that core strength came out

[signal rune]

Just returning and this what I got so far thoughts and opinions?

[haughty shale]

Its good. Really good

[livid sorrel]

it beats core strength bp solely because core strength does absolutely nothing

[misty fjord]

question about the od tinkerer i dont have spike is there another option or no?

[vague zodiac]

AR in escalation = reload simulator, while lmgs get the job done

[livid sorrel]

that's pretty much the meta setup, a high end ar with a damage talent like killer strained or measured will deal more damage though

[sweet moon]

I should try out Core Strength

[haughty shale]

Even tho NBB gets beaten by carrier and memento

[sweet moon]

What even would a build look like on that

[signal rune]

What ars other than Lexington can’t get it at the moment

Also does anyone know why I can’t optimize this

[haughty shale]

this is my solo build

[livid sorrel]

police m4

[livid sorrel]

you need to find another chest with 12 chd and extract it

[haughty shale]

i always forget this channel has slowmode lol

[signal rune]

Which talent would be best

[haughty shale]

killer or measured. optimist too but im not a personal fan of optimist

[livid sorrel]

killer for solo, strained, measured

[vague zodiac]

Maybe insufficient resources, see if anything appears red

[haughty shale]

strained sorry

i always confuse strained and optimist

[shy willow]

You need an equivalent or higher version of the attribute in your library

[haughty shale]

i need to redo my striker build. its old and needs to be updated

might do that. but its 11pm and i have work in the morning

[vague zodiac]

Every AR is forced to have Health Damage as an attribute. Against 90% of the enemies in the higher difficulty parts of game (who have miles of white Armor bars), Health Damage does zero until the very last second of the fight. Even with no health damage attribute at all they would be deleted by the time their white armor gets destroyed. Like what's the point of Health Damage in AR? st elmo engine was the answer to 2023. But in 2026 escalation it's pretty obivous we need dps numbers. ARs are just gonna be reload simulators in escalations.

[haughty shale]

But not everyone is doing escalations. Most of us are not doing the tippy top of high end content

[junior lagoon]

Capacitor would like to have a word

[haughty shale]

I always forget Capacitor has dmg to armor instead

And everytime i remember Im like "I should give her a call back"

[buoyant mulch]

what's a good damage setup with the core strength set?

ive been experimenting around and wanna know if anyone has ideas

[haughty shale]

First off run the chest piece. Its too good. Second what are you looking for red/blue cores or red/yellow cores?

[buoyant mulch]

i have all red cores currently, although my ideal is damage and armor

i just ran this and saw how it was, its not bad but i wonder if it can be any better

[livid sorrel]

could probably use foxes or something, having more than 4 gearset pieces is a waste

[haughty shale]

so what i run is 4 red 2 blue 1 yellow. i like using momento as well, but it can be a bit slow to get going.

[buoyant mulch]

my main thought was that i didn't want 5 pieces but i had no clue what to get rid of

[haughty shale]

this too. foxes is so good

[buoyant mulch]

what's foxes? not sure if i have it, i doubt it

[livid sorrel]

kneepads

[buoyant mulch]

yeah i don't have them

[haughty shale]

foxes kneepads. it has a dmg to targets out of cover attribute on them'

the core strength backback is okay, but there are better options

[livid sorrel]

a damage backpack talent would probably give more damage than the backpack

[buoyant mulch]

what about the gift?

i mean memento is probably better and i have it but is the gift not a bad idea?

[haughty shale]

gift is perfect clutch right?

[shy willow]

Repeating myself here, but health damage applies to armour plating, which makes it very useful in high tier content

[buoyant mulch]

its this one

[livid sorrel]

perfect vigilance

@buoyant mulch if you dont get hit it's good

[haughty shale]

nah thats a great one

[shy willow]

Particularly against Chungas, bodyguards, warhounds and minitanks

[livid sorrel]

iirc overdogs is a better exotic for dps than memento

[haughty shale]

which one am i thinking of then?

[buoyant mulch]

so overdogs and foxes is probably not a bad idea to go for

[haughty shale]

correct

[livid sorrel]

overdogs and the gift is probably better

[buoyant mulch]

im not sure how much i trust myself on not getting hit to keep the buff but its only 3 seconds

[haughty shale]

but at that point a striker build would be better since Core Strength is all about making hybrid builds

[buoyant mulch]

i'll try and get the foxes first anyway

[buoyant mulch]

i have a striker build and its good but i wanted another build that can do decent damage but have armor as a difference

[livid sorrel]

just blue striker tbh

[haughty shale]

this. Striker talent is so good it could prolly just carry you DPS wise

[buoyant mulch]

i got this far with core strength so i'll try out both and see what i like more

[haughty shale]

Devils Due..... thats what i was thinking of earlier

i used to like clutch, but its just been power crept to death

[buoyant mulch]

why does dread edict look like an ancient artifact bro

[silver peak]

i think i miss in sync

[keen zenith]

is there any way to fix busy little bee not showing your stacks

[brave sierra]

is there any good alternatives to strikers for a St elmo build? or any build in general?

[rich cosmos]

Literally anything

[brave sierra]

literally any and all build guides ive seen so far says that i need the strikers but they dont really drop for me

or requires at least 2 parts of it

[hazy steeple]

Blinder read what you said backwards.
Strikers is the build, St Elmo is the unnecessary part to it.

And when it's a gearset, you should be using 4 parts, there's very few cases where it's a good idea to use any less.

[brave sierra]

i guess a better detailed question would be to ask what is an alternative to the striker's build but performs similarly, since i want to try countdown and raids and such, but my dps is honestly a bit too low compared to the people i play with, and i want to know what works i guess

[solar bison]

What is the highest DPS LMG set up with tipping scales? Is it tinkerer or overdogs?

[lost wren]

ovd

[livid sorrel]

i dont think changing build would give you more dmg tbh, striker is the best single target dps build

[brave sierra]

I mean, i guess but whenever i do raids people complain i dont do high enough damage

[solar sable]

make a HE build

[lost wren]

what makes your striker dps feel low?

[solar sable]

share ur build pls

[brave sierra]

i guess my build isnt optimised for raid damage the image is loading

[lost wren]

striker is your best bet for red dps in raids, experienced or not

[flint arch]

Jesus Christ

[lost wren]

that's not striker lol

[brave sierra]

i was looking for alternatives for striker since i dont have it yet

[flint arch]

Striker is the easiest to farm though

[livid sorrel]

that is not an alternative

[solar sable]

its very easy to put together

[brave sierra]

i never said i had an alternative

i mean, any tips on improving would be nice ig

[flint arch]

throw the entire thing away

[livid sorrel]

ninjabike is bad, for one

[solar sable]

corr, we ready

[lost wren]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?usp=sharing

[solar sable]

Lvl40 Starters Guide follow this, youre pretty new still

[brave sierra]

ok thanks

[noble umbra]

Aim for this, but change; use a god roll picaros and a god roll unit alloys mask. Unit alloys provides 5% rate and 20% assault rifle damage [we have ninjabike] and picaros provide chunky armour and high damage along with skill tier and skill haste boosting damage of cap. Very strong hybrid build.

no unit alloys mask? Salvo is good, and walker harris and CO mask is a good alt, even ceska

[solid stratus]

Most op build damage and survive also with new investor mask .. ?

[livid sorrel]

No such thing no matter what youtube and reddit tells you. Overdogs still beats it in DPS builds, at most it's a Coyote stuck on a higher CHD buff and much harder to get good rolls on

Survivability is a trade off, and the game pushes you into killing enemies before they kill you

[warped crypt]

for a healer backpack "The Setup", if I can only get 1 yellow since it's hard to farm, would repair skills > skill haste?

[magic pilot]

Haste probably

I generally only have enough repair skill rolls to heal a full red player with 1 chem

[strong charm]

is st elmo's or capacitor better for a all red build?

[magic pilot]

If you had 2 pick between the 2 capacitor imo

Dps wise

[strong charm]

sick thx bud!!

[noble umbra]

Why cap over elmos in all red build?

[soft socket]

Cap more base dmg?

With new hybrid build cap benefits from both red/yellow cores

[blissful remnant]

Thoughts on how to build the the gear set?

[noble umbra]

@blissful remnant

[noble umbra]

Yeah but with all red why not use Elmo’s. You have higher rpm, more ammo and shock

[subtle bluff]

That most yes but DPS matters more.

[shy willow]

Prod was going purely based on damage

Cap has mods that are on par with Elmo and DTA as a second attribute

[soft socket]

Fun build

[exotic talon]

im having a lot of fun with the seasonal modifier

[soft socket]

Strega/trader equalizer/bulldog centurion

Ua/royal works

Gunner spec

[lone glacier]

Do you want more headshot damage?

[soft socket]

Possible with modifiers

[flint arch]

compress offense, nullify, convert 1

[lone rose]

Hi, I need a build for the 100th floor of the summit, through the chem launcher, does anyone have such a build?

[exotic talon]

huh i didnt consider compress

[flint arch]

having the HSD in escalation is pretty nice

you can squeeze 135% HSD iirc with the modifiers

[blissful remnant]

Whats the best skill build out there

[solar sable]

subjetive, what are you looking for?

[blissful remnant]

Just options. Strikers good but I wanna build diff loadies for diff situations

[solar sable]

there are lots of skill builds, which skill or role do you want? that's why I'm asking

There's Mortar, Healer, EP, Refactor, Yellow CoCo, Oxy...

[blissful remnant]

Maybe either healer or EP

[solar sable]

welp, check them out in the pinned Spreadsheet

[blissful remnant]

Noted. Thanks

[buoyant mulch]

what should i look for in a picaro's holster? the random attribute that is

i say this knowing i can just hunt for crit chance

[smoky latch]

CHC, CHD make most sense

[buoyant mulch]

i figured, was just curious

[olive cosmos]

any reason i cant optimize CHD?

[solar sable]

you gotta extract a higher roll to optimize it to max

[pallid saffron]

Propably it's the highest value that you have in your library

[olive cosmos]

oh ok i thought you could just add % to it regardless. thanks tho

[solar sable]

there was a time it used to be like that but then that was changed

[wet wren]

I just got bittersweet from an exotic cache, how should I go around building it for healing + damage?

[subtle bluff]

It's a support weapon. Just being on either works... ish. The gameplay isn't great for it.

[silver coral]

any build that focuses on burn and spreading burn on enemy and works well on solo

[subtle bluff]

Yes EP

[olive cosmos]

what talent should i use on famas?

[little thorn]

Just hit level 40 just got my watch any builds I can get?

[honest flare]

What are people enjoying using alongside core strength?

I'm running ninjabike backpack and picaro's holster and wanna run the core strength chest, just wondering what other piece I should use as a named between mask / gloves / knees

Also weapons, usually St Elmo's main but Capacitor probably better now given the amount of skill efficiency you're getting?

[subtle bluff]

On the Build Hub. Go to Lvl 40 Starter Guide
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

[subtle bluff]

Killer (solo) or measured

[silver coral]

does it work on solo too?

[subtle bluff]

YES.

[silver coral]

EP with capacitor?

[subtle bluff]

There's a full guide in the Build Hub

[silver coral]

was planning to use it on BT retal is it worth to use there?

[subtle bluff]

no

EP Support version sure is ok.

Skill DMG build aren't great for harder content.

BT retal you better know what you're doing kind deal

[olive cosmos]

i was hearing optimist is good as well

[subtle bluff]

Where are you "hearing" from?

Do what you like. Killer and Measure are the top talents for a many good reason. First off they have the bigger numbers.

[olive cosmos]

i saw in the build doc

[subtle bluff]

where?

[olive cosmos]

its strained not optimist my bad

[subtle bluff]

And yes those are ok talent it's saying

Again do what you want test it out in the range you can see the different there

[strong cave]

Optimist you won't really touch unless it's in pvp

[noble umbra]

Use a unit alloys mask and picaros holster

[noble umbra]

.

[strong cave]

If it's for PvE I'd suggest Providence instead of Unit Alloys. You'll be very crit starved and taking providence with ninjabike gives you 13% HSD and 8% crit chance

If it's for pvp, stick with that setup but use capacitor instead

[rigid cape]

any good ouroboros builds?

[strong cave]

Hunters fury would be your best bet. Or strikers. But genuinely, Ouro isn't as good as it was when it first came out

[rigid cape]

oh alright thanks!

[strong cave]

It's not bad, but there's definitely better options at least in terms of damage (SMG-9, Dark Winter)

[hazy steeple]

An SMG with a well, a Talent at all is generally considered the best choice.
but div2's not that hard where you need to only hug the meta, you can also wave at it from sidelines sometimes.

[late coral]

did they nerf royal works? wasnt it 32% crit? or am i tripping

[woeful zodiac]

It was 32% mag size.

[strong cave]

32% mag size. I could've swore I saw it had 50% at one point

Double checked the original PTS patch notes. It has always been 32.5% mag size it seems

[elfin atlas]

Are there any good builds with the eagle bearer other than striker

[woeful zodiac]

• Catharsis (Mask)
• Equaliser + UA holster and Kneepads
• Fenris gloves (Tassar Fist gloves)
• Matador (Backpack)

[strong cave]

You could go high end but it'll be beat fairly quickly

Also, wouldn't suggest their high end version as it's a pvp build and going all in on AR damage is diminishing returns

[woeful zodiac]

Its good in PVE yk?

[strong cave]

It's kinda not

[woeful zodiac]

I was able to defeat a BTSU team 9 easily with that build

[strong cave]

For solo usage it's usable. Wouldn't say it's good. In groups the striker players will just dominate the battlefield and take all your kills

[ivory abyss]

Eagle bearer was at the top of the food chain I think back in TU6 lol such a shame

[woeful zodiac]

Plus the survivability is fun

[strong cave]

Clip or didn't happen

[woeful zodiac]

But I do play on Normal 😔

[strong cave]

LOL

[ivory abyss]

It’s one of the nicest looking weapons in the game

[woeful zodiac]

Didn't happen ig

[livid sorrel]

anything works under solo heroic for average players

[strong cave]

The community doesn't use Normal as a difficulty standard. Heroic would be the open world Standard. Legendary is the real test for all builds

Can't exactly say Master because it still uses Heroic AI with Legendary scaling

[livid sorrel]

i'd say challenging is the real normal mode

[shy willow]

Eh id put master only very slightly below legendary just because of how annoying some encounters are

[strong cave]

Even challenging is a yawn fest. Ninjabike striker with 2 unit still power creeps it

Hell even 6 piece 5.11 will still power creep it if you have enough damage

[ivory abyss]

5.11 has a nice looking backpack

[strong cave]

I shiver in Kelso Roosevelt manhunt....

Thank GOD birdies got added to the Retal pool. I refuse to run that back for more backpacks

[violet saddle]

Challenging is the only way i can farm bt diamonds by myself. Heroic i can do in groups against bt, hyenas, or solo against true sons and outcasts.

[warped sail]

hmmm... the core exercise talent from the core set, does it account for cores from non-set pieces or just the set?
wondering if its worth using something like ninja bag instead of the core bag

[muted dagger]

Any main cores. Just not things like Technician skill tiers or Brazos

[warped sail]

interesting, thx

[willow sigil]

is there a way for me to farm and get less of named item targeted loot? trying to farm palisade and im getting more combustors then the base version

[subtle bluff]

RNG is RNG

[willow sigil]

tragic. been trying for this chest for 3 days

[shy willow]

Are you trying for a double red roll or something?

[willow sigil]

i am, yeah how you know

this is the best i could get i might just say screw it and just use it

[weak quail]

Not far from max stats

[willow sigil]

i think i really want chd

[shy willow]

Because there's no other reason you'd be farming palisade😭

[willow sigil]

i just copy things i see

[shy willow]

Be prepared to grind for a long time it's a known unicorn

Well assuming you want the core changed

[willow sigil]

no i dont want the core changed, i want chc chd with obliterate

[covert sluice]

whats yalls thoughts on new gear and the high tier excursion? i still think striker with elmo is the best setup you can run

[shy willow]

Elmo loses its utility in higher tiers because of the mutators

[livid sorrel]

not really meta changing, at most it's a decent offmeta pick for yellows and blues

[covert sluice]

really? ive done up to t7 so far and havent had a issue

[shy willow]

More hostiles will have it the higher you go but there's a mutator that makes them completely immune to status effects when they reach like half armour

[covert sluice]

yeah true... i feel like your trolling tho in high tier and legendary missions if your not running striker or heartbreaker (maybe im wrong) but i feel like you need to be hitting atleast like 850k a bullet

[livid sorrel]

lots of good options than just striker but yeah if you're queueing for high escalation tiers with some weird cs nbb thing you're either clueless or looking for a carry

[magic pilot]

Or HH

[covert sluice]

what are some other options? im genuinely curious because im lvl 1500 and havr only ever ran either heartbreaker with lexington or striker with elmo.. i feel like those are the only 2 legit setups for serious top tier missions

[magic pilot]

Hunters fury

#td2-build-advice message

[livid sorrel]

negotiator's

[magic pilot]

Mmr or 1886 works well too

[covert sluice]

i think hunter fury and memento is trash for group play bc YOU need kills for gearset to work

[magic pilot]

Not crit hunters fury

I don't run memento in group either, HF still gets a 20% amp with 0 kills

[livid sorrel]

headhunter hunter's fury

[covert sluice]

id like to find a solid build to run a smg with armor regen but still be able to put out like 800dps each shot

[shy willow]

The HF bonus is your armour regen, can use gunner for even more

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/aDKKX29rZo4?si=N9idAdd8e2rY7y37
4 player legendary HF

[covert sluice]

yah but in group play you get cucked if some1 takes the kill and you have HF on.. correct?

[magic pilot]

You can say stuff like that about killer too, or HH in general

[covert sluice]

i also feel like 4 green and 2 yellow gear with yellow guns is the play now since you cant prototype exotics 😭

[magic pilot]

Lexington was always a top contender, most common I've seen. For gear 2 unit or yaahl+ceska with frenzy lmg

Overdogs can still be worth, don't think proto is stronger than a 30% amp

[covert sluice]

hmm interesting yeah could be true

[magic pilot]

It's very unlikely

Especially since you can't use echo on HH builds

[covert sluice]

is their any strong armor regen build that still hits like 700+ dps a shot 👀

[magic pilot]

Umbra is good the mechanic is just annoying

[livid sorrel]

do you mean armor regen specifically or just getting armor back in general

[covert sluice]

armor regen specifically... not like the capacitor skill build regen

i was thinking like ND or TS with armor regen possibly?

[livid sorrel]

the armor regen attribute is just not good, it's a flat 4.9k when a full red has like 600k

there's brands with armor regen that regens a percentage

[covert sluice]

yeah thats what i mean.. like gear for armor regen combined with armor regen mods and gear pieces

[livid sorrel]

there's only the attribute and the brands

[magic pilot]

its not good for pve

memento should be enough regen for basically any build

[covert sluice]

was looking to test like 2 FB pieces with armor regen attributes with ninja backpack and 4 ND or tipping scales or something

[magic pilot]

uhhhh yea wouldnt be great dmg wise

[covert sluice]

whats like a "must have dmg" you think to be a viable build... like atleast 700k per shot u think?

[magic pilot]

we generally go off burst dps, and for high difficulty 10 mil is the minimum for me.

[covert sluice]

10mil per clip correct?

[magic pilot]

for one shot builds we go for first shot damage usually

[subtle bluff]

Armor Regen for PvE is rather working backwards. Bullets hurt a lot.
Do the math how much Regen do you get in 10s? Guess how much dmg a bullet does... A lot more.
But then your ability to take something off the field would take too long.

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12vzrBI53INNVcKx25ILuvwIgJDg2xUvOO_IA0uctlwE/edit?usp=drivesdk

should be able to see how you can find burst dps if you click on the tile

[hazy steeple]

"I ain't reading all that"

[magic pilot]

it does seem overwhelming, but it is extremely informative

[subtle bluff]

If the asking so many questions many as well

[livid sorrel]

doesn't seem that much to me but i have a decent tolerance for funny long equations for games so

[magic pilot]

you are in the right place lol

[patent tapir]

Hey guys

Where can I find a build for Division 2?

[short verge]

lets go looking

[hazy steeple]

@patent tapir Check the 📌 pinned-message for a "spreadsheet 2".

[willow sigil]

whats the difference between breaking point and hotshot, why would someone use one over the other?

[worn imp]

Is there a list of which weapons can use linked laser pointer?

Im specifically interested in which SMGs can use it

[worn imp]

do you know if theres a list?

[daring scroll]

Hotshot is more for oneshot marksman builds with chainkiller and determined, BP is good for short burst damage and accuracy buff rifle builds especially when using Tinkerer mask and a high capacity/damage rifle like UIC15 or ACR SS(high rate of fire)

[livid sorrel]

breaking point for rifles

[short verge]

breaking point if you wanna do some stuff with rifles

hotshot if you wanna do some stuff with sniper rifles

[hazy steeple]

Well there's a list of them in the spreadsheet, if that's what you're asking.

[worn imp]

Of which weapons have long underbarrel rail?

[willow sigil]

1886 and mmr do the same thing no?

[magic pilot]

vector 45, mp5 variant, aug variant, ump i believe

[magic pilot]

yes but the brand bonuses are different

[worn imp]

So if i were to do flatline for SMG using technician then i should prolly use the Vector right?

[willow sigil]

so in what senario would i use 1886, and what senario would i use mmr?

[fair dragon]

1886 lacks damage compared to most MMRs

[lament reef]

smgs as a gun type come with a bunch of crit chance already

[daring scroll]

But 1886 can work in a oneshot build with hotshot, just have to prime it with an MMR first

[willow sigil]

so 1886 is just the objectivly worse one shot build

[worn imp]

not at all, the reason people run it for one shot is because it does do enough damage to one shot and it has far better handling than MMRs for what it can do in these builds

[strong cave]

1886 is mainly just there if you want to use a shield tbh

[daring scroll]

1886 is one of the highest pers shot damage rifles in the game, it just doesn't have the capacity and repetitive rate of fire that other rifles have

[strong cave]

That's really one of the only perks of the 1886. Otherwise if you need more top end just go MMR

[magic pilot]

its the highest yea

[daring scroll]

Example use of Breaking Point

[worn imp]

Rifle DPS attempt 🤮 end me now

[daring scroll]

To each their own

[worn imp]

yeah but i mean................................................................................................................

[daring scroll]

I've run rifles since beta, never had an issue, especially after the buffs

[worn imp]

the big real problem with them is they have a terrible core attribute. Crit damage.

now, it would be different if the Crit Core attribute was like twice the amount, which it is for crit chance when converting damage to chance value for SMGs

[daring scroll]

Build around it, compensate

[silent storm]

This build is just kind of crazy that it works so good

[daring scroll]

Yeah that core set is nuts

[worn imp]

swap that lengmo backbone with an equalizer chest and run the core strength backpack for another weapon damage core on top of the skill tier core for capacitor, and then ur set. All you would miss was 5% DPS because Percect Unstoppable force can reach 5% higher DPS than this setup but at a far higher difficulty of consistency. But actually since you have the 15% more weapon damage from the core strength backpack, this setup would give u more burst DPS regardless

[willow sigil]

but why, when you can just build hs, and then not have to compensate for anything? just for the shield usage?

[daring scroll]

Yeah mostly survivability. And when you're running with a team no one likes 1ShtHsht builds, ruins the fun for everyone else

[lone glacier]

I don't see the appeal of that Core set

[tulip charm]

Hybrid builds

[lone glacier]

But why?

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worn imp]

because it can make ninjabike usable in PvE lmao

[willow sigil]

sounds good. was just looking to finalize something to farm cp for blueprints. ill stick with hs

[daring scroll]

When you're sitting at 2+mil armor, 186k weap dmg with Capacitor and your turret is cranking out insane damage at the same time you'll see the appeal

[lone glacier]

🤢

[analog mural]

its just cool to experiment around honestly

[worn imp]

I understand. But for real. Look at this bro.

[analog mural]

all red CS isnt that viable, any other pure dps gear sets will perform better

all blue is also meh because blue is shit lets face it

all yellow is interesting coz u could get decently powerful skills esp with a capacitor setup

[worn imp]

this

[daring scroll]

1Sht is great for solo grinding, just frowned upon in groups

[analog mural]

so far i find the tier 6 artificier hive restoring 100% of your shield HP is cracked, imagine this on a bulwalk shield lmao

also is it inherently better to just use the NJBP instead of the CS BP

[worn imp]

unless ur doing my setup with Ninjabike, memento is defo better for core strength builds

[viral veldt]

Can it clear anything though all I've seen of CS builds are open world heroics and pvp, which is fine but have yet to see it in action for legendary/escalation content

[worn imp]

@analog mural here it is

[analog mural]

i would probably build it around group play or something

guys is the UA named chestpiece better than a standard ceska chest with obliterate?

[worn imp]

This ninjabike build is building it around group play. Thats why im not using memento

[worn imp]

It depends on the amount of crit damage you have without ceska.

[analog mural]

lets say on a strikers build, would it be better

[worn imp]

again, It depends on the amount of crit damage you have without ceska.

[analog mural]

🤔

[worn imp]

If youre running an AR, it might not be, because ARs are more crit starved than LMGs and SMGs

[analog mural]

ohhh so on a smg it might be the better choice

[worn imp]

capiche?

[fair dragon]

1-shot builds are fine. Its Determined thats the problem.

[worn imp]

Or just on high end builds with lots of extra crit attributes already.

[worn imp]

for example on a heartbreaker Tech tank build it would be a terrible choice cause heartbreaker is quite crit starved and needs a ceska piece

[analog mural]

just about any gear set build without chc is crit starved tbh

[worn imp]

Yeah so for LMGs and SMGs, use equalizer. Because LMGs also have crit chance as BiS extra attribute

[lone glacier]

Just seems useless to me. If I want a skills build I'd just go Refactor, if I want DPS I'd go Striker, TS or even OD. If I want something that gives me armor I'd go Heartbreaker..

[analog mural]

ohhhh its because lmgs already have dtooc so just get chc on the third attribute?

[analog mural]

thats the damn point, CS is meant to allow you to actually fool around with hybrid builds but this time people wont shit on u for running 6 blue

[worn imp]

My build? or what u referring to?

[lone glacier]

But there is no point in running Core Strength when there's literal builds that do what Core Strength does but better?

[analog mural]

duh

[worn imp]

sometimes its just worth it for the memes. Just like my ninjabike core strength build which rivals a memento setup pretty well

[analog mural]

at no point we ever said CS replaced every build coz ts aint better than a standard strikers build

but sometimes u wanna have fun

and cook up a 6 skill tier build while having 6 cores worth of armor and 6 cores worth of damage

[cloud oracle]

question.. is this fire? Police T821 it seems pretty good and ive seen quite a lot of peeps using it.. swap speed could be better ik that lmao

[analog mural]

@worn imp so uh is chc on lmg bis or other stats like RoF are fine too?

[lone glacier]

CHC.

[worn imp]

CHC is best. fire rate second best

[analog mural]

ouch time to get a new LMG ig

[cloud oracle]

i usually go chc or dmg to out of cover for lmgs

[worn imp]

🤦‍♂️

[analog mural]

u got dtooc for free tho

[lone glacier]

LMGs already have dtooc base.

[cloud oracle]

😎

[worn imp]

wait did we just get trolled?

[cloud oracle]

nono, im deadass..

[worn imp]

@cloud oracle

[cloud oracle]

oh

yeah, im stupid.. all my lmgs have chc 🤣 didnt realise dtooc was already a fixed attri

[magic pilot]

max 14.5% chc too

[hazy steeple]

colour-blind prototype looks like a mcdonalds slushie

[smoky latch]

That color looks so good I find

Neon green loot beams

[hazy steeple]

If you combo them, it looks like Octarine, and that is my only goal in div2.

[magic pilot]

it reminds me of gearsets without color blind

[uncut yarrow]

Almost the exact same color 💀

[shy willow]

It's the prettiest proto colour imo

[slate wedge]

Purple is the coolest

[rich cosmos]

Im annoyed because I have the colorblind setting on so I don’t have to look at the neon green

[shy willow]

I have it on for the outlines on mortars and hives😭

[fading orbit]

what are the ideal mods for the LMG?

[hazy steeple]

Guns are pretty much all modded the same when it comes to red crit builds:
all CHD (crit damage), and the biggest mag you can get.

for AR/SMG, that's the +20, for LMG's that's either the big one, or Gunners' if you have it on.

[rich cosmos]

True default color hive is not enjoyable

[analog mural]

if u already have like 50% chc and ur wearing a coyote mask then get all chd

[fading orbit]

Yea, I just was wondering If I'm running frenzy on the LMG I should get like mag size roll over crit chance or smt

[hazy steeple]

You always want the biggest mag size, and CHD mods give you the best crit for space.
and it lets you roll more CHC on your attributes

[analog mural]

chc is the best 3rd attribute for lmg and u can already get a large mag size from the gunner mod

[hazy steeple]

oh attributes. Mods are a different thing.

[fading orbit]

Yea, I always get confused with names lmao

[smoky latch]

I really hope we'll be able to change the talents at some point

[hazy steeple]

Okay just to make it super clear:
the 3rd attribute on all your guns should be dtooc (damage to target out of cover), except for LMG's because they already have it. They get CHC (crit chance).

[hallow jungle]

Would love to have the 2nd Lexington there ngl.. 😛

[smoky latch]

That one has increased DTOC "only". Gotta gamble some more but I doubt I get another triple

[shy willow]

Man got a god rolled lex and still wants more😭

[analog mural]

wait so u cant recalibrate or optimize prototype gear at all?

[smoky latch]

It's Strained

[analog mural]

how are u supposed to max the attributes?

[hallow jungle]

RNG

[smoky latch]

You don't that's the fun part. It's only lottery

[analog mural]

sonmn

[shy willow]

Butttt you also have pumped stats so issok even with a mid talent

[hazy steeple]

agent with 2 lex's "This is great!"

[hallow jungle]

So for the people who want to have everything perfect and god rolled its almost impossible

[smoky latch]

Si

Which is why so many ppl hate it, understandably

[hallow jungle]

Im not so far in so for me every prototype is almost better then my gear💀

[analog mural]

prototype is so terrible that expertise looks reasonable

[hallow jungle]

almost looks like i just started ngl

[analog mural]

how tf do u already have expertise 30 at shd 538

[hallow jungle]

no it was a drop from escalation

im at 10 🙁

[analog mural]

o

how hard is escalation compared to legendary

[hazy steeple]

Tier 0 Escalation is just Heroic.

each Tier above it scales a little harder from Heroic, with "Mutators" making it trickier too.

[analog mural]

stat bloat

[shy willow]

Not really comparable tbh

Very different kind of challenge, imo it's easier

[smoky latch]

Sponginess mostly, in higher tiers it's the modifiers on top

[shy willow]

Hot foot and whatever that status immunity ones are the annoying ones but you can mostly play around it

[smoky latch]

Yup

[magic pilot]

i use chd sight, accuracy muzzle

[umbral basin]

I seem capped at these numbers, im expertise 8, is that whats making difference or should i be moving on from memento and strikers with st elmo?

[lone glacier]

Well if you want more damage youll need to drop Memento, go full red cores and Overdogs

[mint brook]

But yet i cant get higher than tier 0 cos it is greyed out to donate tokens

[hallow jungle]

Did you run through already as a host at Tier 0?

[mint brook]

Not host no...

Tbh ive no idea how to host just to matchmake and join..

[hallow jungle]

Ill show you /join RESILESS if you are on

[mint brook]

What you mean join resiless?

[hallow jungle]

type /join RESILESS into chat

[fading orbit]

first drop, mag size memes

[livid berry]

Looking for some tips, I’ve always ran strikers, HB, tipping scales or HF. I’m looking to try my first skill build and see how I like it. Any advice on best gear sets and what attributes to aim for? Probably going to use the capacitor but also open to recommendations!

[uncut yarrow]

One bullet per sometimes, one reload every yes

[analog mural]

if capacitor then try using a standard turret + drone refractor build

its just a rly good support build to have when running just about any content minus countdown

[livid berry]

I usually play solo so I typically run reviver hive just incase I go down so was thinking hive and drone. Would I want to focus more skill dmg, health or haste?

[ivory abyss]

what you mean first drop? This dropped in escalation or you upgraded as your first prototype

[weak quail]

I enjoy refactor with stinger hive / striker drone and sniper sentry. Once you get used to aiming it the thing shreds, especially overcharged. Otherwise use assault sentry

[smoky latch]

Those skills aren't ideal to heal your team tho, FYI

Stinger, OK, valid

[weak quail]

You would be surprised

[willow sigil]

is force mutiplier a world drop?

[livid berry]

I’m usually playing solo, not to concern about team heals as I am survivability and dps.

[smoky latch]

Yes

[smoky latch]

Not really. "Consistent" healing from drone/turret is much more effective

[weak quail]

It shreds while crowd controlling and doing bleed, throw it on their spawn with sniper sentry watching. Add capacitor or any weapon with in sync and they just die.

As for sniper sentry one hit and they are fully healed usually

Drone dies too easily but i do use it depending on situation instead of hive

Im normally duo or solo you are probably right for squad

[shy willow]

The thing is refactor excels in sustained heals whereas the sniper turret heals in bursts

[weak quail]

Like last week for legendary Roosevelt island i changed hive to drone for the last bit

[shy willow]

If you want burst heals FI is like by far the best

[smoky latch]

Either do a sniper turret/HE skill build or use an actual Refactor build. Combining both like this results in weak builds

[weak quail]

HE?

[smoky latch]

High-End

[weak quail]

ah ok

[weak quail]

Considering we duod the weekly legendary last week i would say it works and neither of us expected a win given our low levels

[weak quail]

Burst is fine duo/solo

[smoky latch]

Yeah you just have one person to kinda focus on lol

[weak quail]

Yea it is easier to manage

But i do use drone as well for open areas etc

[weak quail]

Im quite new still and been trying various combinations (for proficiency) with 4 refactor pieces always on and even got some use out of acosta’s bag lately. Overcharge is nice, but i definitely wont bother using the bag again i think

One thing i think is certain though, capacitor is the best gun for refactor

[analog mural]

yuh i mean its the best way to buff ur turret and drone damage

[livid berry]

So if I put together a refractor set using the capacitor is there a BIS exotic to use for gear? Or what’s suggested?

[analog mural]

refractor gameplay is kinda boring tho imo but its a nice change of pace after being stuck on FI whenever a mission calls for a healer

[analog mural]

theres some options, u dont need to use an exotic but the waveform holster is good ig

[weak quail]

I enjoy it as i can use various skills and it still works, i get bored if i just run and gun

[analog mural]

and just get wyvern gear as ur off-piece for extra skill dmg

[willow sigil]

i am using wyvern and hana

[weak quail]

This is what i use

[analog mural]

ya any off-piece is fine tho

[weak quail]

For legendary anyway as normally have things for proficiency

[weak quail]

Ya whatever you roll best

[livid berry]

I appreciate the advice, I’ve been playing for a good while now but haven’t ever attempted to put a skill build together so new to this side of gameplay and build.

[pallid harness]

Bluescreen LMG rolled with rate of fire. Should I reroll for CHC or DTA or keep rate of fire?

[smoky latch]

CHC

[pallid harness]

going for Tipping Scales build. Would CHC still be better than rate of fire.

[livid berry]

With refractor running drone and turret does it heal me or just allies?

[ocean wyvern]

Arguably you would want CHC even more than RoF for TS, wouldn't you?

[patent fossil]

You as well

[strong crown]

Guys may I ask you for an advice on a ravenous build I came up with yesterday, after getting it for the first time? I have the screenshots if I can share them

[patent fossil]

You can share them in here

[lone glacier]

Inf you running any retals today?

[strong crown]

Around 110% CHD and 48-50% CHC if I remember correctly

The blue attribute on the palinsade holster is a almost full armor regen

[weak quail]

Any damage they deal heals everyone
If you use the bag it can give you up to 80% of your armor as bonus armor with the damage dealt from skills but it’s only for you so not very good outside of solo
The armor buffs the amount healed for everyone so it’s a nice pick with full team

[livid berry]

Any preference on specialization? I’d assume technician for the extra skill tier?

[weak quail]

Yes + skill damage bottom right + emp and shock immunity when close to sentry/hive

[grizzled garnet]

@thin venture

[civic meteor]

Would this build be better with nijabike and the salvo perhaps a better assault rifle

[short verge]

tipping scales got no inherent crit chance so yeah gotta have better chances to deal those extra crit damage

[hexed steppe]

Memento is better for shields

[weak quail]

Another reason i prefer stinger hive to drone is black tusks tend to easily destroy drone when it wonders off (but i use both in occasion).

A small tip since you said you didn’t play skill builds before, and another reason i recommend technician for this, EMP are not active all the time meaning there are small gaps in their effectiveness that even when next to them you can deploy your skills (drone won’t work) effectively overriding their effect. I have destroyed them with stinger hives quite a few times. It’s a funny little touch i find disrespectful to them 🤣

[hexed steppe]

Shields will scale with the skill efficiency(skill health) from memento

[strong crown]

Is this any good?

[civic meteor]

Oooo ok

[hexed steppe]

If you use tech class youll also gain another free skilltier for the shield

And if you use tech class, you can use artificer to heal the shield passively... which is also scaled with memento skill efficiency

-# Ill see myself out

[grizzled garnet]

@thin venture

4 pieces refractor gearset
empress international backpack
wyvern wear chest (impetus)

weapons;
the mop
capacitor

specialization;
gunner

[hexed steppe]

Why not any other bag?

[thin venture]

why gunner?

[grizzled garnet]

because it replenishes allies ammo

[hexed steppe]

Gunner is legit

[grizzled garnet]

technician (the free yellow core) is wasted when you have 6 yellow cores already

[hazy steeple]

Armour on Kill, free squad ammo, the best pulse in the game.
honestly, Gunner deserves more credit than it gets.

[thin venture]

isnt that squishy?

[livid berry]

I’ve always played more of a run and gun style just using reviver hive and shield. With skill builds is it more of a deploy skills and sit behind cover and shoot kinda like lmg?

[grizzled garnet]

yep. but its about playstyle not just builds

[hexed steppe]

Everything is squishy

[lament reef]

sure, but refactor drops mixed

technician makes farming more lenient or lets you run one red core

[haughty harness]

Is Oreo still Bis for hunters fury memento build? Smgs all kinda sucks tbh

[hexed steppe]

Personally i run tech now for the faraday.

[solar sable]

no, Backfire is better

[grizzled garnet]

true. @thin venture keep in mind the build is a guideline, not something that must be run as is.

[hexed steppe]

Ran gunner alot before refactor tho

[haughty harness]

Please the bleed effect makes me sick

[lament reef]

we get a bunch of free hazpro this season

[grand girder]

trip reload and maintain stacks

[hazy steeple]

Every single time I read "refactor", I want to correct the spelling, but it's not wrong.
This is worse than Airaldi.

[thin venture]

why not the refractor armor?

[grizzled garnet]

wha?

[weak quail]

I find myself using lmg and sniping a lot yea, run and gun isn’t ideal unless you run drone of course and aren’t too squishy. Scorpio is a great shotgun to run for that as refactor buffs status as well 15% iirc

[thin venture]

the chest piece

[haughty harness]

Huh

[grizzled garnet]

in most cases thats overkill healing and you miss out on damage

[grand girder]

triple reload, gets rid of the bleed until you lose stacks, just maintain them through whatever content you are running

[lament reef]

you gain immunity to status if you get it repeatedly applied to you, you can observe this yourself if you stand in a fire puddle

so you can reload bleed yourself on purpose to keep immunity up

[thin venture]

can i change the backpack for memento? i kinda like the bonus armor

[grizzled garnet]

if you want but bonus armor is pretty negligible in a build like this. especially in endgame.

[haughty harness]

What's the best high end smg to use then

[grand girder]

smg-9 i believe

[grizzled garnet]

no dark winter?

[livid berry]

I may have to try it with the Capacitor and Scorpio and see which one I prefer. I actually just got the Scorpio not too long ago and wanted to find a good build to mess around with it.

[thin venture]

i got perfect kinetic momentum with repair skills as 20% is it good?

[weak quail]

Scorpio with Test subject could also work, but capacitor is very strong. Depends on what you find more fun and since you play solo you can get away with it

[thin venture]

does repair skills apply on refractor?

[weak quail]

Nope only skill damage buffs the amount healed

[grizzled garnet]

repair skills is more towards a traditional healer. refractor gets healing indirectly from damage. repair skills is for skills that repair directly (healing chem, repair drone, healer seeker, healer hive).

[thin venture]

so the kenetic momentum skill repair is not useful>

[smoky latch]

Only the Skill Damage part is relevant

Skill Repair ≠ Repair Skills

[thin venture]

i see sorry if i ask too many question i started just a week ago

[smoky latch]

This is the place to ask build questions, you're all good, no worries

[thin venture]

wait that

skill repair and repair skills is not the same?

[smoky latch]

No

[uncut yarrow]

💀

[thin venture]

can you pls explain

[smoky latch]

Repair Skills is an attribute you use to heal yourself or other players. Skill Repair affects your skills only

[thin venture]

i use my drone and turret to heal my ally so repair skill works?

[cerulean smelt]

for instance the Artificer hive will take Skill repair

[smoky latch]

Yeah that is unrelated, Turret and Drone are the best option for a Refactor build to heal your team

[uncut yarrow]

I wonder how artificer interacts with that new defense skill thing

[cerulean smelt]

mind you Refactor wants Skill Damage to heal your team effectively

[weak quail]

So wait, an example: skill repair mods don’t make my fixer drone heal others more? It makes it heal my other skill better?

[smoky latch]

Those are called "Repair Skills" so it's correctly named. You might mix things up

[thin venture]

so this is not good?

[weak quail]

That one i assume works to make my skills heal others more? I was thinking about the yellow gear mod

[smoky latch]

No, sorry

You want Skill Damage and preferably Skill Haste on it

[weak quail]

Bad for refactor, good for future initiative

[smoky latch]

Also not ideal 😄

[weak quail]

Oh fr?

[thin venture]

future initiative?

[weak quail]

Another gear set

[smoky latch]

Yeah why (8%) Skill Damage in a set that relies on Repair Skills and Skill Haste?

[thin venture]

what does it do?

[grizzled garnet]

which are we talking about?

[smoky latch]

Its primary focus is to buff your team's damage but it also heals well

[weak quail]

I thought kinetic momentum buffed repair skills too so i assumed it could work

[smoky latch]

I meant specifically for the brand bonus of 8% with Wyvern in this example

[weak quail]

Oh that’s skill repair

I get it now

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1I9gpi7gA4C9xCfFWLmY5hwaw8qpmPzG4kmI9nDjmKbo/edit
Best FI build

[weak quail]

So “repair skills” is good. “Skill repair” is bad

[smoky latch]

Here is a guide with more explanations
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11__a0xEKRKX22zNtLFwQM6P44oIq_h6g07a47Fd0X2M/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.am5atfliuvwx

[hexed steppe]

its all wording. affects the same things

[smoky latch]

Not bad per se but not very useful at all

[fading orbit]

droped

[thin venture]

back to farming again

[weak quail]

I thought so too but it doesn’t seem to be the case

[weak quail]

Yeah skill haste exists im not gonna bother buffing how much my skills can heal, hence why “skill repair” not useful right?

[thin venture]

btw what is the the mop

[grizzled garnet]

named shotgun with 10% armor on kill

[weak quail]

Named shotgun that gets a lot of armor back on kill

[hexed steppe]

why is this not the case

[thin venture]

any other alternative?

[weak quail]

Skill repair = how much skills repair themselves
Repair skills = how much they repair others

I think

[cerulean smelt]

not a lot honestly. just 10% if you have 0 armor cores then it's not much you're getting back per kill 😹

[hexed steppe]

Not afaik

[weak quail]

Oh yeah running that without armor it’s like making a hole in the sea 🤣

[split herald]

armor cores are overated anyways

[thin venture]

btw whay is skill efficiency and skill haste?

skill haste makes my turret shoot faster?

[cerulean smelt]

Skill efficiency is skill damage, skill haste, repair skills and status effects all in 1. probably forgetting a stat or 2 honestly

[smoky latch]

Reduces skill cooldowns

[cerulean smelt]

Skill haste is how long the skill lasts on a cool down. no skill haste you might find your skill down for a long time, a lot of skill haste might shorten it by say 50% kind of thing

[thin venture]

i see thanks for the tips

[hexed steppe]

Skill health , skill duration

[smoky latch]

Oh someone wasn't careful @hexed steppe

[cerulean smelt]

you see this @hexed steppe ?

[thin venture]

so memento is good for refractor build?

since i cant get 30 efficiency

[cerulean smelt]

probably if you pick up trophies

[smoky latch]

It's not bad but not first choice

[thin venture]

whats the 1st choice

[grim bluff]

Force Multiplier, the Hana-U named backpack is great for refactor

[smoky latch]

The build that ducklord sent you earlier

[grim bluff]

10% skill haste from brand set, Perfect Combined Arms gives you 30% skill damage for shooting an enemy for 3 seconds

[thin venture]

i tried doing 6 skill tier i got 1 shot in legendary tidal basin

[hexed steppe]

Cursed mobile keyboards

[willow sigil]

what am i rolling on chest back after skill damage? haste?

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/18s3Gr5fZ3DvuA55xeBSyc_2SIusmfMULotivkSfs4xQ/edit
Impetus chest, build is a little outdated

[hexed steppe]

Not supposed to get shot in legs. Bad for ones health

[lavish plinth]

so what is the "best" build for ar a link or something whould be nice

[hexed steppe]

Yeah

[willow sigil]

what mods?

[cerulean smelt]

in this game there's really no "best build"

[smoky latch]

There is no "best" overall. I'll link one in a second

[grim bluff]

Pinned comments has a build spreadsheet

[hexed steppe]

Guess

[willow sigil]

i hef to see what mods i even have