td2-build-advice

[solar sable]

Alright

Do Ceska mask, Equalizer (UA brand), and 4pc Strikers instead of what I said earlier

[gloomy spruce]

Named Item Blueprints and Cracked gear > SHD

[solar sable]

that's why you're a 🐐

[cerulean smelt]

i second this

[smoky latch]

I'd personally run a high end chest piece instead of Tinkerer. Vector or Converted SMG-9 as main weapon I'd recommend, same talent

[delicate field]

For my striker build what’s better coyote mask or overdogs gloves?

[onyx sage]

overdogs in most content

[outer agate]

wouldnt that be less damage?

[void oracle]

im not home

[delicate field]

Thank you

[smoky latch]

You'd do more damage because you'd have a chest talent like Obliterate for instance I'd say

[burnt bone]

Do you know what the hunters fury chest does

[outer agate]

yea it increases the duration of th hunters fury stacks

[onyx sage]

which isn't more damage, when HF needs more damage to get the ball rolling

[outer agate]

fair i thought the tinkerers made up for it bc of the talent

[solar sable]

I even think you can keep Tink if you swapped for HF bag and Oblit chest

[burnt bone]

HF backpack and chest just aren’t very good, losing damage talents is a BIG loss

[onyx sage]

yeah if you have to take either the bag or chest for tinkerer, take the bag

[outer agate]

ive got ceska bp and groupo chest

bp with unstoppable force and chest with obliterate

[void oracle]

cryo i think im running the same build as you 💀

[smoky latch]

Equalizer with Česká backpack works

[onyx sage]

came to look for false information, walked out disappointed

[outer agate]

equalizer?

[solar sable]

varied options, try them all and see which you like most, Cryo

[onyx sage]

named UA chest with perfect obli

[smoky latch]

A named Unit Alloys chest with Perfect Obliterate

[outer agate]

oh right

id be trading 13% crit dmg for 5% rof and 4% more weapon dmg

id be using a god roll dark winter lol

wouldnt i burn through the mag super quick

[smoky latch]

1200 IIRC RPM is fast but it does good damage

[cerulean smelt]

namely the uptime you have on the perfect talent it has on it

[smoky latch]

Converted SMG-9 is a bit slower but also really good, alternatively

[outer agate]

so youd go with dark winter?

[smoky latch]

Either. Chatterbox is an exotic alternative

[outer agate]

true

im not a fan of having to reload every time before firing rto get the rpm

[burnt bone]

Total weapon damage, which is a greater increase than weapon damage

[little haven]

guys what are your suggestion on this build?

[hexed steppe]

How does your crit chance look

[hexed steppe]

Are you overcrit?

Caps at 60

[burnt bone]

There’s prob a better lmg but otherwise yeah that’s the build

[little haven]

um idk

[bright raptor]

yeah you're basically golden, have fun optimizing the pieces but indeed 60 suggests you might be at or over the crit cap

[outer agate]

whats the difference?

[little haven]

let me check since this build is made when i didnt max the shd watch

[hexed steppe]

Swap a chance roll or mod to crit damage and see if it drops below 60chance

[bright raptor]

Total weapon damage is a separate multiplier without the diminishing returns of weapon damage

[little haven]

yeah its over

time for more crit damage then

[outer agate]

wdym diminishing return for weapon damage?

[hexed steppe]

Set it between 55-62 chance. Its ok to go over a %or 2 just to cap it

[little haven]

56.2 is good enough ig

[burnt bone]

@outer agate weapon damage is additive to itself (as in different weapon damage boosts add together eg 15% + 15% = 30% from 2 weapon damage cores) while TWD is multiplicative, as in a TWD boost multiplies your overall damage

[little haven]

also which other LMG would yall recommend? i picked the BK because it allowed for sustained fire with high damage (around 3 million crit with max stacks this event)

[burnt bone]

In this case, a weapon damage armor core is included in AWD (all weapon damage)

[hexed steppe]

Another source of damage has a higher impact. Think of twd similar to an amp like glass. If its the only source of twd, then equalizer is almost as strong as regular glass

[bright raptor]

^worded better than I can

[outer agate]

yea that hurts my brain lol

[hexed steppe]

Just remember, twd is also additive to itself.

Adding extra multipliers is also why you roll dttooc on your weapons, utilize overdogs, utilize team amps like fi buff in groups

[outer agate]

i never messed around with figuring out all the numbers bc im not the smartest lol

thank god i took ibuprofen this morning XD

[cerulean smelt]

if you just copy the builds you don't have to worry about the math of the game

[outer agate]

all i wanted to know is how i can improve my builds lol

[smoky latch]

You asked, community answered 😄

[outer agate]

i know i appreciate it lol

i swapped my mask and chest out for the hunters fury mask and the equalizer chest

and my gun for a perfect dark winter

[smoky latch]

Give it a try

[outer agate]

what skills should i be using? i got shield and reviver

[smoky latch]

Works

[outer agate]

does expertise rlly have that big of an impact on overall dmg

[burnt bone]

1 expertise = 1% damage or armor

[outer agate]

ok so yes or no ll

[burnt bone]

What are you asking

[outer agate]

does it add damage to where its noticable or even worth it

[rancid pendant]

brutal legendary summit sighh

[burnt bone]

It adds 1% more damage per level

[edgy bone]

Are rifle/marksman builds viable for heroic/legendary?

[outer agate]

i know that but that doesnt mean its worth grinding

[edgy bone]

I have fun with the weapon type and I'll keep workshopping stuff but not sure if I'm fighting an uphill battle or what

[outer agate]

id use chatterbox but i dont rlly like having to make sure 1 bullet is gone from the mag to run to an enemy reload next to them, then start firing to get the rom iincrease

[bright raptor]

marksman favors the bolt action rifles with Headhunter and fully speccing into headshot damage, the semi automatic marksman rifles are universally atrocious for some reason

[burnt bone]

Yeah

[bright raptor]

rifle works great with all red, all critical hit chance + critical damage chance builds

bit more taxing on your trigger finger or recoil mitigation than the assault rifles or LMGs though

[cerulean smelt]

what's that make my handbasket hh build?

[serene flare]

what would be a good non-named alternative to upgrade to for my armor? I'm primarily getting clsoe with my shotgun, so I'm guessing a shotgun focused set would be good?

[bright raptor]

Handbasket is unique in being the only semi auto marksman rifle that has a chance of chaining Headhunter stacks

I would know because I have one too

[cerulean smelt]

i use it on my hotshot build 😹

[burnt bone]

Chain killer is good for shotguns

[bright raptor]

but they already have Chainkiller on

[serene flare]

Yeah, but I could put Headhunter on any chest

[burnt bone]

They want to replace it

[serene flare]

I'm asking if there's a better brand set I could build into

[cerulean smelt]

an additive brand would be forget the brand name but looks likes a animal face

[serene flare]

Badger Tuff?

1pc adds shotgun damage

[cerulean smelt]

thank you

[bright raptor]

if you really want to artificially pad things you could try Habsburg for the extra headshot damage

but you'll spend half of forever grinding for the headshot damage + weapon handling + Headhunter combo since you need to reroll the core attribute to red

[serene flare]

That was one I was thinking of. I think I'll go for a Badger 1pc and a HG 1pc for the headshot and shotgun damage

[buoyant perch]

Not worth changing imo

[serene flare]

better that than the generic 5% weapon damage from Chainkiller

[buoyant perch]

Do you have a problem with first shot damage?

[serene flare]

usually, yeah

[buoyant perch]

Even w nemesis?

[serene flare]

Not with Nemesis, that one-taps anything

[buoyant perch]

Just use that or white death streamlined for first shot then swap

[serene flare]

that works, yeah

[lone perch]

whats the set green name?

[cerulean smelt]

breaking point

[lone perch]

need to target farm it somehow

[burnt bone]

Everywhere you can normally target it

[cerulean smelt]

some kind of Rifle gearset i'm on the 0 gearset or all 4 gearset so it'd be a build i wouldn't use but that's me

[lone perch]

don't I need to find location for it?

[burnt bone]

Are you level 40

[mint axle]

And it performs better than a game with the same name.

[lone perch]

yea im 40

[burnt bone]

Read this - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?usp=drivesdk

[cerulean smelt]

nah, countdown/retaliations/summit you can target loot it, summit being the slower way of getting things

[lone perch]

oki

I will try the summit xd

[cerulean smelt]

we usually give that link to fresh level 40's and maybe returning players as we don't know the last time they played 😹

[lone perch]

never played before xd

do I should get striker set first instead of my build I found?

[burnt bone]

Read the thing I sent first

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i imagine, i don't play many other games that's tactical or FPS these days

[burnt bone]

Yeah it’s not a bad idea

[cerulean smelt]

Striker just lets you feel you contribute to damage when you play with other people and helps to run upto heroic difficulty

[lone perch]

👍

so these is worth to extract?

[cerulean smelt]

depends on the brand it's on or something you'll use in a build

[lone perch]

oki it was on weapon

[buoyant perch]

Worth so that later on you can optimize that attribute

[lone perch]

u can apply it as much as u want later on right?

[cerulean smelt]

yes, to the same weapon type

[lone perch]

okii ty ty

[willow sigil]

elmos can drop from challenging runs of countdown right?

or am i supposed to be doing this on heroic?

[glass turret]

whats the meta

[smoky latch]

Yes

Meta for what?

[civic meteor]

how does expertise work

the more weapons you level up the higher your possible expertise level will go up?

[smoky latch]

I recommend you watch the "Expertise Guide 2025" from NothingButSkillz on YT. It's comprehensive

[vernal gazelle]

its coming very slowly

[smoky latch]

Yo, make use of Lengmo day in LM today

Fast to run mission, four bosses

Throw on some directives for some additional TL

[vernal gazelle]

ahhh yes

thx for the heads up

[smoky latch]

But, if you already have your three Lengmo pieces with double crits it doesn't matter much.

Nice progress tho

[vernal gazelle]

no the backpack is not good, and the mask isnt good aswell, but the holster and kneepads i have godroll with crit only attributes

[smoky latch]

Gotcha

[vernal gazelle]

but countdown has been frustrating

[cerulean smelt]

well, keep at it, you'll eventually get them

[vernal gazelle]

people dont know how to play countdown...

[smoky latch]

It helps to run different activities, at least IMO. Can't stand running the same stuff over and over again

[cerulean smelt]

if you're doing heroic yeah it's going to be challenging

[vernal gazelle]

3 minutes left, the hunters arent dead yet, and they call in the extract...

[cerulean smelt]

why i like retaliations. i can run that solo and i can choose my target loot still

[smoky latch]

Did anyone ask about Retaliations matchmaking during the AMA? I did't read it yet

[cerulean smelt]

can't say honestly. looked at it and it was all non resurgence questions

[abstract bridge]

Doing this for some solo content. And want ask 1 thing. Which gun can replace "Backfire"? 60% of hazard protection doing stuff but bleed sometimes makes me a little bit nervious if I can't pick up Memento stack.

[smoky latch]

If they aren't able to produce another Countdown map after four years then perhaps matchmaking for Retaliations in terms of loot farming is a really good shot here, IMO

[burnt bone]

This looks a bit too blue

[lone perch]

is 1886 gun rifle or marksman rifle?

[abstract bridge]

rifle

[smoky latch]

This build is decent during global events/with seasonal modifiers, otherwise it is not efficient enough

You are only using HazPro on this build because of Backfire, right? If you don't use Backfire, you don't need HazPro.

Assuming the blue attributes are HazPro, btw

[smoky latch]

Check this, FYI:
#td2-build-advice message

[abstract bridge]

But if I use such gear bleed will eat me in a second. Or what the idea?

[smoky latch]

You can circumvent the bleed by shooting and reloading in rapid succession, IIRC three times is enough

[cerulean smelt]

basically once you hit full stacks on it, you stop bleeding entirely

[smoky latch]

That too ofc, as the talent description says once you reach 100 stack with the Backfire talent, bleed stops too

[abstract bridge]

But there is some other build for solo without Backfire?

[storm moon]

which wep is decent with this starter build ?

[abstract bridge]

Elmo

[smoky latch]

Backfire only really shines with a lot of enemies, preferably tanky enemies around you. Solo you will never have that much

[burnt bone]

Anything 790 rpm or above

[flint arch]

Basically same problem with Striker Chest

[storm moon]

ok ty which Specialization ?

[smoky latch]

Solo legendary maybe

[flint arch]

most people pick gunner, but any works

[burnt bone]

Gunner is the most used

[cerulean smelt]

people tend to like Gunner for the ammo regen every x seconds bit, but any specialization works

can go firewall with striker shield (produces cone in front of you) and do some extra damage to things in that cone if you like

[storm moon]

k ty

[burnt bone]

More for RoF increase and armor regen on kill I imagine

[cerulean smelt]

no clue, i like the small amount of ammo that just appears in my ouch bit mostly

[flint arch]

Passive ammo regen means I don't need to visit the ammo box as frequently

[smoky latch]

10% ammo every 60 seconds, 5% for teammtes btw

[flint arch]

wait does the 5% stack

[cerulean smelt]

probably

[smoky latch]

I don't know, never paid attention 😄

[burnt bone]

Think so

[cerulean smelt]

so 35% in raids or countdown? 🤔

[flint arch]

I notice that in Countdown I basically never have to visit the ammo box even if I dumped like 10 mags from my St. Elmos

So it could be everyone running Gunner

[cerulean smelt]

i solo mostly so i don't benefit from 5% teammates 😹

[timid token]

Hey I’m looking for a unit alloy build st Elmo engine with over dog is there screenshot

[slim sorrel]

@smoky latch @burnt bone
This is what i was trying to build, just for solo open world and doing heroic missions/retals
Would you say this is still better? docs.google.com/drawings/d/1wDdwNz4fPy26yi9cOAQ4s0muy_zWEU8oF2DTLXPTMS0/edit

[smoky latch]

Totally different builds

[timid token]

Hey you got unit alloy build with st Elmo engine and overdog is there screen shot and I’m not looking for striker

[smoky latch]

The build you're showing here is basically considered an armor regen build, it's not far off from a PvP build. If you only run it solo in PvE, okay, but still you won't be that efficient with it

[burnt bone]

There’s one somewhere

[timid token]

K xd

[smoky latch]

You should practice playing with the Backfire and see how the bleed affects you. Personally I would really recommend a full red Backfire build

[burnt bone]

I think basically it’s equalizer, salvo, overdogs, ceska backpack with vigilance, fox knees, and UA mask?

Or grupo mask if you don’t care about the extra mag size

[smoky latch]

As a side info, you won't really get the benefits with Backfire playing solo - most of the time. That means you will constantly have some bleed in between

[timid token]

Send screenshot

[grand girder]

do words not suffice?

[burnt bone]

I just said I don’t have it 🙏 🙏

[timid token]

Ok

[smoky latch]

As for Retaliations, focus on mid-long range builds which revolve around LMGs and ARs

[grand girder]

whatchu mean solo doesn't get its benefits?

as in like maintaining bf stacks?

[burnt bone]

Probably means enemies die to fast to get enough stacks

[slim sorrel]

ugh how do i explain.. jump in vc for a sec?

[burnt bone]

+not enough spawns

[smoky latch]

Not everyone is as crazy as you running solo heroic CD, most enemies will die too quick in solo content. If they don't know about the reload/bleed interaction then they will probably have a lot of bleeds in between

[grand girder]

Depends on the content I suppose but alot of it can sustain backfire

[smoky latch]

I don't have my mic set up atm, sorry

[grand girder]

is the problem how long it stays on the screen or the damage you're taking?

[slim sorrel]

Think i asked this before and maybe i overlooked the answer...(negligence on my part) but i want a build where i can solo heroic missions / encounters ect but still be effective in group MM. I like both St elmos and backfire / and lmg play but i hate having to switch gears over and over..

[slim sorrel]

DoT is the annoyance

[burnt bone]

Do you know how to save loadouts so the game switches gear for you

[smoky latch]

Use Elmo instead, and whatever LMG you like without going into specifics

[grand girder]

does UA outperform ceska CHC?

[cerulean smelt]

that's the magic with striker it's not for any specfic weapon, but just works best with a weapon with at least a certain rpm

[smoky latch]

Kinda on the same level, I'd have to rewatch a video from iKia talking about it

Minimal difference is what I recall

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10a9sP5sGo8jI56NHVjsIezravVti7Wot68YEG1vgHq4/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[cerulean smelt]

ceska just makes sure you hit that 55-60% chc threshold a bit easier

[burnt bone]

Perfect obliterate is goodge

[grand girder]

yeah but with lex I can't imagine that CHC being that high with a good amount of CHD aswell

[grand girder]

smgs fix that but I don't see a extra 4% TWD being much better

ahh little more sustain damage thats why I see

[smoky latch]

Minimal difference

[hexed steppe]

Ua is rof too, right

[cerulean smelt]

2 piece i think?

[smoky latch]

1pc +5% RoF

[hexed steppe]

And isnt rof direct dps increase

[cerulean smelt]

oh right, 1 pc. 2pc is ar damage then?

[smoky latch]

2pcs is +20% WD for AR

3pc +50% mag size

[hexed steppe]

Its also faster stacks

[slim sorrel]

this is what ive been using for the most part on my return to the game 3 days ago 😅 but i go down insanely quick

[hexed steppe]

That's a positioning issue, not a build issue

[smoky latch]

It's really just experience. Stick with this build, use cover, practice playing it and you'll be good

[slim sorrel]

you spelt skill issue wrong haha but yeah i just run into ads so i think..

[smoky latch]

It's a great build I usually use for Retaliations, solo or group

[cerulean smelt]

am i the odd man to run it with salvo?

[smoky latch]

I barely use Salvo, honestly

[burnt bone]

Instead of what

[smoky latch]

I prefer the CHD on the holster

[cerulean smelt]

uh, overdogs going off that picture or coyote from the old build goto for strikers?

[hexed steppe]

I was using the same build for master tidal last night as well. Swapped frenzy gr9 for bluescreen tho. The cc goes a long way

Bluescreen/killer lex

Striker battledogs

[burnt bone]

Equalstrikerdogs

[flint arch]

Swap the Equalizer for Sacrifice and you get Strikerficedogs

[slim sorrel]

would that build be good for LP? as dps?

[smoky latch]

LP?

[burnt bone]

We need a 67 emote for this server

[grand girder]

L'il pookie

[slim sorrel]

lost paradise

[burnt bone]

I want to 67 your message

[smoky latch]

I'm old, when I see LP I think of Linkin Park lol

[solar sable]

I'm gonna strangle you

[flint arch]

its actually called PARADISE LOST in full caps

[smoky latch]

Ooooooooooooooooooo

[flint arch]

I have no idea why the mission name is in full caps

[smoky latch]

Paradise Lost yeah, OK, hahahahah

[burnt bone]

||yes please||

[slim sorrel]

OOOKKKKKK

[solar sable]

hwhat 🤠

[smoky latch]

Yes very much

[grand girder]

brother just anotha me

[smoky latch]

Same for both raids

[burnt bone]

Just a silly goofy inside joke

[smoky latch]

You'll have to change skills tho at times but overall, yes

[flint arch]

Honestly it's just a good DPS build, full stop

That's why it's the meta

[smoky latch]

Si

[flint arch]

Now run PGC, no balls

[solar sable]

😭

[flint arch]

Swap the Overdogs and Striker pack for Striker gloves and a Vigilance backpack

You will learn how to position well real fast

[void oracle]

hi doomz im home now ;-;

i can send my setup

[solar sable]

who's doomz

[void oracle]

u

[solar sable]

@solar sable someone's calling you

[burnt bone]

Stay away from him, he’s mine

[void oracle]

tf

[solar sable]

that guy ain't me

[grand girder]

no nego no likey

[burnt bone]

Post build tho we wanna see

[solar sable]

alright I'll stop the cringe, @void oracle post your build 😂

[smoky latch]

(I don't have ND on me rn) :>

[void oracle]

1 sec kiddo

[grand girder]

🤯

[flint arch]

also you have a crosshair on your screen

[cerulean smelt]

DAAAAAAMN! you going to let them call you kiddo @solar sable ?

[burnt bone]

Yeah I think I’ll take my strikers with a side of equalizer and memento please

[solar sable]

I'll let that slide for once 😆

[flint arch]

I hereby ban everyone in this server from using Equalizer

[void oracle]

kk kiddo

[grand girder]

bro hit the double up

[solar sable]

ENOUGH

[flint arch]

From now on you will only use Sacrifice

[void oracle]

no

[burnt bone]

Mods can we swap this users fingernails with their toenails

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 potato on their own now 😹

[solar sable]

Jarvis, give this guy no build advice

[flint arch]

anyway I deleted all of my Striker loadouts with Equalizer

[void oracle]

check dms

[burnt bone]

Is that a monitor thing

[cerulean smelt]

i still have mine with salvo 👀

[silent storm]

Does Concussion stack? SO if you hit a headshot and kill with it do you get 25% total weapon damage?

[cerulean smelt]

probably

[burnt bone]

Just post it here lol

[smoky latch]

It does IIRC

[silent storm]

kk

[void oracle]

no I dont like you

[cerulean smelt]

3 times?

[burnt bone]

grabs my potato peeler

[grand girder]

reminded me of mort lmao

[smoky latch]

I'm not sure about details, been a while since I used that in DZ

[hazy hull]

Hey so I'm thinking about making a tec 9 build my current mindset is doing OD with critical hit Chance and tinker's mask to apply more damage

[grand girder]

pretty sure hes still rapping bro

[smoky latch]

LMGs best choice for OD I might say, besides rifles

[cerulean smelt]

was an option before overdogs, but now a days overdogs does way more damage

[smoky latch]

If you want an SMG build try HF

[grand girder]

still an option, just not optimal

[flint arch]

not really, Tinkerer is used with OD since it works well with LMGs

also SMG with OD, man good luck not accidentally using up all of your hollow point ammo

[smoky latch]

That is also to be considered

[flint arch]

That's why people run LMGs, you get 100+ rounds of hollow point ammo from a kill

ARs are kinda dangerous

[grand girder]

3pc OD 2pc UA + NBB go brrrr (I hate myself)

[flint arch]

you go to hell

[grand girder]

who's to say we aren't already there?

checkmate

[flint arch]

fair

[hazy hull]

Sounds fun tbh

[flint arch]

goddammit

[grand girder]

I've made a severe lapse in my judgement

[flint arch]

but you're right, we truly are in hell right now

[hazy hull]

Shove on big alenjdro

[grand girder]

big alen from two and a half men?

might be costly...

[hazy hull]

OD big alenjdro Ua and NBB

[solar sable]

this is why Chow abandoned this channel 😔

[flint arch]

just read this ongoing directive guide omfg

[smoky latch]

Try Carnage too

Handling is a bit annoying but +35% WD to bleeding enemies

[flint arch]

NBB users are too rampant

[burnt bone]

Oh it’s not an amp?

[hazy hull]

I have no idea what NBB is so

[flint arch]

good

[cerulean smelt]

well, that's probably part of the reason. the other is porobably too many argue with him on things that's not even correct

[grand girder]

commonly known as a noob trap, it takes up a talent slot on backpacks which people think doesn't really matter

[smoky latch]

Oh, right, it amplifies

[grand girder]

it matters very much

[hazy hull]

Ooh yeah slots matter a lot

[smoky latch]

Fkn details all the time 😂

[grand girder]

NBB = Ninja Bike Backpack

[flint arch]

reminded me of that one person here
"Foundry Bulwark build, destroys Legendary in Summit, I did it in like 1 hour, I'm not giving proof because I'm too old or something"

[hazy hull]

Ooh that nightmare of a noob trap

[flint arch]

oh thank god

[hazy hull]

Will admit I used to run it but immediately realized why it's trash

[smoky latch]

You also always have to compare to this...
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zmMtU8JWUXNIObhxst__CYguFgfZ1288mPodyqs2LTE/edit?tab=t.0

[grand girder]

oh everyones run it, but the people that stick with it are the issue

[flint arch]

The only place where it has purpose is in PvP, but that's a separate discussion

[cerulean smelt]

pretty much. i got 90% protections from elites, 70% hazard protection, some chance, some damage, some headshot and i destroy legendaries

[hazy hull]

TBF I just get annoyed with the striker spam I get it Striker with memento is great but it's not the only endgame build

[cerulean smelt]

oh, and theire hazard protection provides damage resistence

[cerulean smelt]

woudl prefer being told striker or we troll you with, get 3 full red lengmo for a pestilience build?

[smoky latch]

It's often times just recommended because it is easy to farm (not the Overdogs tho), a great build overall and not just for starters.

But there are ofc alternatives to the Overdogs as well

[hazy hull]

It's mostly just when someone asks for advice and you see 30 people immediately swamp the channel with striker+ memento

[grand girder]

Depends on the question

[flint arch]

Weird, memento is usually not the first thing we say when we recommend a basic DPS build

[grand girder]

Whats the best build where I can have good dps and survivability? I'm recommending striker meme BF

whats a fun build to run heroic on? obviously not gonna recommend that

its all about context of the question asked

[hazy hull]

For me tech builds are honestly the funniest on higher difficulties

[grand girder]

Not intending to be rude and I do apologise but how is your aim?

[hazy hull]

About average

[smoky latch]

There are working builds for almost anything, just depends on how efficient you wanna play

[fervent seal]

any recommendation on what i should change for my build?

[smoky latch]

I want a pancake now

[hazy hull]

For me tech is most fun just because it can get disgusting like tossing out a stinger and wiping out a room

[smoky latch]

You could use a Ceska or Grupo Sombra backpack with Vigilance

[grand girder]

the same can be done with HH regulus and can be alot faster aswell

[smoky latch]

And use an assault rifle / ACS-12 shotgun instead of SMGs

[flint arch]

that's a lot of blue cores

[cerulean smelt]

i had that for breakfast. extremely big and surgary ones 😭

[flint arch]

Heartbreaker guide

[grand girder]

thats a six tier shield good lord

[cerulean smelt]

if the holster is picaros it'd be 7 tier 😹

[flint arch]

I tried Heartbreaker for half an hour but it didn't click for me

[cerulean smelt]

oh wait, picaros was weaon damage wasn't it?

[fervent seal]

is it too much?

[grand girder]

pretty sure it isnt though because red would be in middle no?

[flint arch]

Having no innate AoK sucks, the bonus armor takes too long to recover

[smoky latch]

I feel sorry for the people who weren't around when HB came out 😄

[flint arch]

If you intend on firing nerf darts into the enemy, use more

[flint arch]

golden bullet forever

while every enemy on the map is pulsed

[fervent seal]

what about fenris backpack with bloodsucker?

[flint arch]

no

ceska backpack with vigilance

ideally the bonus armor you get will protect you from losing vigilance buff

[fervent seal]

alrighty

[flint arch]

bloodsucker is like using heartbreaker backpack, you just sacrifice your own damage for little survivability

[fervent seal]

interesting, ok

[smoky latch]

Farm for a PS backpack with damage talent. 10% armor on kill if you wanted that, can be pretty useful

Not for a HB build but in general

[fervent seal]

alright, recommendations has been taken into thought and considerations

[hazy hull]

I'm gonna make a cursed build

[cerulean smelt]

people probably beat you to that already 😹

[void oracle]

um um any suggestions :p

[cerulean smelt]

get better highends with both red attributes would be the only thing i could think of

[flint arch]

🦄

[smoky latch]

Nah, don't have to roll the core to WD, depends on the build tho

[grand girder]

brother just telling em to casually farm a uni

[flint arch]

You know now that I think about it a 🦄 PS backpack would solve some of my issues with HB

The only problem is uh...

🦄

[void oracle]

just all reds yeah

[hazy hull]

Catalyst + 4 OD + wicked SRO + flamethrower specialist

[vernal gazelle]

tick tick

[smoky latch]

Sieht gut aus

Aber da geht noch mehr 😛

[vernal gazelle]

lengmo full red attributes does not exist, existiert nicht

[flint arch]

1.714441 damage? how is that possible

[cerulean smelt]

i call hacks 😹

[vernal gazelle]

1.714.441

[cerulean smelt]

hides 3 lengo pestilience build

[flint arch]

my joke failed it seems

[vernal gazelle]

im sorry

[flint arch]

I was trying to ask why you were dealing a grand total of around 2 damage per tick because the game displays separators with commas in English

1,714,441

[smoky latch]

Fully optimized you can expect this

[vernal gazelle]

mhhh yes

i ran lincoln, and its like enemies cant spawn fast enough on heroic

alot of fun for sure

[junior lagoon]

ok i have a question on the skill zealot. when i am doing the pact on master, i can only do it once entire mission. once i used it , it is locked however when i look at the videos from that time, people use it on cooldown. any insight would be appreciated

[timid token]

@burnt bone did I do the build correctly

That u told me to do unit alloy

[smoky latch]

@vernal gazelle CoCo ticks fully stacked

[cerulean smelt]

couldn't tell ya honestly. mine comes back but mines level 5, could be some odd level 0 or 1 thing for the duration of that mission?

[smoky latch]

CoCo ticks fully stacked with GE enabled 😄

[cerulean smelt]

which global event?

[smoky latch]

Assault, this one

Totally unrealistic but funny to see

[cerulean smelt]

nice nice, thought you were showing Ambush 😹

[junior lagoon]

do you see cooldown timer after you use it?

[cerulean smelt]

i didn't pay attention sorry. think i died in general anyways. pushed too hard 😹

[smoky latch]

Do you have that issue every time you play that mission with Zealot?

[cerulean smelt]

think i played too much like i'm trying to be hulk taking no damage and just getting angrier then i just fold because i have no place to hide from bullets anymore

[junior lagoon]

yes. even if i die and restart i can't use zealot. i have to go leave mission and restart

[smoky latch]

I just remembered that some players mentioned the same thing during that season. Was just recommended to restart the mission and that usually worked. I've seen a report recently over in the Ubisoft discord about it. Let me try myself rq

[vernal gazelle]

i didnt wanna do coco because of the setup

and i think the increase is not like worth it, plus i can run other lmgs with this aswell

[cerulean smelt]

now that you mention it, it was an issue wasn't it? but only those who didn't level it up wasn't it?

[smoky latch]

CoCo is recommended for group play anyway. Building stacks solo is a little annoying. You could pre-stack in the on the shooting range but that limits you to stay in your session in DC

[smoky latch]

I don't remember the details

[cerulean smelt]

like non leveled Zealot EMP did kill us when it went off didn't it?

[smoky latch]

Ah that was a different issue, had to do with skill efficiency

Memento for instance, if fully stacked, was the cause of players going down after zealot ran out

[junior lagoon]

yeah i never used it before so i am just activating whatever the mission gives me

[smoky latch]

No you're good, many players, especially new players, will also have no idea

[cerulean smelt]

oh? i don't know what i ran, but yeah i'd use it, it'd emp'd nothing and i just fall 😹
was like "wtf?!" and didn't want to level it but i think it was journey so i did it just to finish that journey

[smoky latch]

Lol I can't even select modifiers 😂

[cerulean smelt]

but really fell in love with it after i got it to 5 😹

[smoky latch]

Oh f me, the set it to Hornet for no reason

[cerulean smelt]

you have to move in a little to get it to show. try theo 😹

[junior lagoon]

start the mission and try

[vernal gazelle]

big alejandro could be fun with this pesti build aswell...

[smoky latch]

Works, yeah

[cerulean smelt]

everytime i try theo, i take a step forward i get stuck in combat so i can't set anything 😹

[junior lagoon]

after you use, do you see a countdown?

[smoky latch]

Yes

[cerulean smelt]

did use that mission to do the assault close range specialization weapon kills though 😹

[smoky latch]

Maybe it makes a difference because I played the season and had it all leveled up etc.

[junior lagoon]

maybe, i dont see a countdown. i see a 0 where there is countdown ( i see fron the videos) and never changes

[cerulean smelt]

do that Advanced resources or whatever modifier for OP specialization weapon. mow down the 2 chungas that comes out 😹

[smoky latch]

Now I don't get a cd anymore

But I can use it

So yeah, it appears the countdown timer is broken. You can use it repeatedly tho

Worked the first time for me, after that, I had to guess the time

[cerulean smelt]

just gotta know the cool down timer?

[smoky latch]

60s

[cerulean smelt]

was that all levels or did the lower levels have higher cool downs?

[smoky latch]

Honestly you don't need Zealot often, should be np

[junior lagoon]

i use it to shot down the turrets at the beginning and at the end

[smoky latch]

I'm level 5, lower levels probably need longer? IDK if new players get level 5 modifiers granted or not

[cerulean smelt]

<-i personally loved that Advanced resources or whatever it was that gave you infinite specailziation ammo for the duration of it

[smoky latch]

Sanitation was what I used most

[cerulean smelt]

probably not. they probably have to live in that mission to level them up

[smoky latch]

With a HazPro Backfire build 😄

[junior lagoon]

the burn damage thing?

[smoky latch]

Yeah you also got armor back

[cerulean smelt]

think i was trying to figure out "can i make this red eclipse build and keep passing that fire?"

[smoky latch]

Ppl tried all kinds of things

Was a fun season for those who enjoy the modifiers

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, think i gave up and just ran a red dps build 😹

[junior lagoon]

i dont keep zealot when i leave the mission i dont know how people cheese it. i was just trying to use it for the manhunt

[hexed hollow]

Working on an 1886 build is there something I can run in place of The Hollow Man mask for the weapon dmg bonus?

[smoky latch]

I tried that too once, didn't work for me either

[cerulean smelt]

hollowman kind of got nerfed a long time ago, so it's really not used much

[smoky latch]

Saw that widdz promoted that in one of his videos and gave it a try. Didn't work, gave up

[flint arch]

widdz

[smoky latch]

Perfect topic for more clicks, lol

[cerulean smelt]

about only reason i used hollowman for was that 1 pc haz pro backfire build 😹

[smoky latch]

Hollow Man was for those who didn't have a Yaahl chest

With crits and Obliterate

[junior lagoon]

one of these things that people do online but never works for you

[smoky latch]

Don't worry about it, works (or not) during this anniversary season anyway because we don't have seasonal modifers atm

[flint arch]

also I noticed the spreadsheet doesn't really have a dedicated rifle build so this is the closest one I could find lol

[hexed hollow]

This looks colse to mine I kinda coppied Kamikazevondooms build

[flint arch]

NBB 🤢

[cerulean smelt]

looks like a nightmare build honestly

[solar sable]

NAHHHH

[smoky latch]

Oh no. Unsubscribe/abandon that channel

[hexed hollow]

Lmao I mean its hitting for 32m atm I just wana get rid of the blue piece

[flint arch]

don't follow YT

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mWk2Jgg8uJX3hkturWAET95gizwVHReoOOayO-ixe6U/edit?tab=t.0
The second build works well

[solar sable]

wtf why is Hollow Man there 😭

[smoky latch]

I can vouch for this one

[solar sable]

WTF am I watching dude

[smoky latch]

Determined not recommended in random match making because you will piss off other players. Pick Streamline for group play

[cerulean smelt]

you don't want to know 😹

[flint arch]

I wonder why though

[cerulean smelt]

you ruin their fun killing everything in 1 shot 😹

[smoky latch]

Well we don't need Captain Obvious for that, lol

[flint arch]

Oh I thought it was something more nuanced

[smoky latch]

If you snag all the other players' kills, what's fun about it? That is what I meant

[cerulean smelt]

can't we be like "you were taking too long!"?

[flint arch]

My next task is to delete NBB from my stash

[smoky latch]

It's just a broken shit talent, I only use it for solo farming

If it worked like Perfect Determined (as originlally intended apparently) I wouldn't say anything

[cerulean smelt]

would you kick people if they used it in your session?

[smoky latch]

I do leave, yes

It's a different story in speed-running or group farming where everyone's on the same page. Doesn't matter there.

[cerulean smelt]

what if i manage it with bittersweet and then beamed your head for a lot of bonus armor?

[smoky latch]

Bittersweet doesn't have Determined 😄

[solar sable]

what if...

[cerulean smelt]

honestly i tried headhunter and it fails to kill in 1 so i gave up trying

[vernal wing]

1886?

[smoky latch]

Honestly I haven't touched that rifle really

[vernal wing]

Harvester?

[cerulean smelt]

is that what bittersweet is?

[lone perch]

is these gun good?

[vernal wing]

Bittersweet should be M1A

[solar sable]

mid

[smoky latch]

Not really, used to be good for PvP

[lone perch]

ok

[cerulean smelt]

i was trying some odd. skill brands with Skill repair, putting headshot damage on it and yeah not too great 😹

[smoky latch]

I tried it on a DPS build, didn't enjoy it

[cerulean smelt]

now quickstep is just much better 😹

[smoky latch]

I don't like the M1A in general tho, so there's that. I do see players use it sometimes and it's a good/useful item. Just not my thing

[cerulean smelt]

nods like i said just tried to find something and couldn't so i gave up

[jolly sapphire]

after playing over 48 hours with big black alejandro I no longer require the oxpecker

[worn imp]

How to farm for The Gift named backpack? my friend needs it for sniper headhunter build

[vernal wing]

Dark Zone exclusive providence backpck

[worn imp]

F

[cerulean smelt]

named caches easier, legacy caches lot of stuff to go through. retaliations with reconstructed caches and pray you get it

[worn imp]

if ive already looted it, cant it drop for me?

[smoky latch]

It does not drop in the LZ

Named item caches probably your best bet

[cerulean smelt]

Light Zone aka not PVP dark zone

[smoky latch]

Check if you have gotten its blueprint from Reconstructed Caches already if you played Descent or Retaliations a lot

The Sacrifice can drop in the LZ/OW

[worn imp]

My friend has a ton of houndsman bounties. Could that be fastest method?

[smoky latch]

That can work indeed, yes

Didn't account for that becaues it's not the norm. Go on, happy farming

[neon gorge]

can ı slot in memento on a red strikers build?

[worn imp]

u shouldnt

[timid token]

Toothless how my build

[cerulean smelt]

i wouldn't run it, but that's just me

[timid token]

Dam donkey told me to run to this

[cerulean smelt]

ping donkey for the build. like i said i wouldn't run it

[timid token]

K

But my stats are kinda good tho not gonna lie

[neon gorge]

it really is too good to pass up on huh?

[worn imp]

Its 30% free extra damage. Its amazing

[neon gorge]

but my memento

nah just kidding thank you for the answers

[cerulean smelt]

personally i think memento still works if you're running it solo and you keep picking up them trophies especially at full stacks every 4:59

[smoky latch]

If you need survivability with Striker's, Memento is great choice

[neon gorge]

ı should just give it both a try with sb pack and memeto

ı been running OD with carnage for a while now looking to change things up

[flint arch]

try running a vigilance backpack instead

and PGC too

[neon gorge]

ı don't play this game well enough for vigilance

[flint arch]

[smoky latch]

The more you practice, the better you get 😉 Just saying

[gloomy spruce]

How exactly do you play then?

Do you get shot a lot?

[cerulean smelt]

you don't know how many people are like "how to get The Gift?" we're like just do a normal providence or other brand with vigilence, it's only 1 second difference but they're dying on the gift hill 😹

[oblique vapor]

how crap is my build? the m4 is just there to build exp
the UA pieces are equalizer and salvo, while the kneepads are fox's prayer
mostly curious if i can get some more damage out of this

[burnt bone]

Kind of

[cerulean smelt]

there was a time a shield wouldn't lose it, but they patched it so it'd go away when shield is hit. so think most play some form of bonus armor to keep it or just doesn't matter if they have it or not they just kill

[flint arch]

why 3p striker, replace fox's kness with striker

[neon gorge]

ı mean ı do get chipped while moving around that means ı drop vigilance right?

[solar sable]

ditch Fox's and use Strikers Knees

[timid token]

But it good build tho with those stats

[flint arch]

but honestly your build could be way worse

[gloomy spruce]

In their defense, the gift has another advantage. It is guaranteed with a vigi talent roll and a red main attribute roll. Pretty much if you can craft it, there is almost a certainty that you can get the ideal rolled backpack.

[flint arch]

you could have used... 🤢 nbb 🤮

[burnt bone]

Do you know how gearset bonuses work

[oblique vapor]

3piece was for fire rate i think, and i was told fox is best in slot for knees?

[gloomy spruce]

Backpacks are the hardest to farm because of the 2-3 roll variables.

[solar sable]

never was

[oblique vapor]

oof

[smoky latch]

Oh oh oh

[flint arch]

4p striker will completely outclass fox knees

[oblique vapor]

i see

[solar sable]

a lil bit of false information

[smoky latch]

😂

[timid token]

Is vigilance from ceska target loot set

[flint arch]

I hate how you also tricked me too

[gloomy spruce]

Cover to cover moves and staying in cover helps a lot to reduce that.

[cerulean smelt]

6 months from now we'll still joke about it 😹

[smoky latch]

They are mixing up "BiS" for gear set and high-end set builds. For HE builds Fox's was BiS for a long time

[solar sable]

that worked!

[flint arch]

good positioning is key to make vigilance work

[burnt bone]

It’s a backpack talent

[neon gorge]

ı am still learning the game and it's mechanics yeah ı should start paying more attention

[timid token]

So yes I set target loot ceska or it called talent on target loot am confused 😂

[flint arch]

The most difficult form of Striker to use is one with PGC and Vigilance, but if you can minimize getting hit as much as possible, it will hit hard

[smoky latch]

You're good. Never hesitate to ask anything

[flint arch]

Protip: Prioritize hiding behind tall cover, you expose yourself way less

[burnt bone]

You can’t target talents

[timid token]

Oh

[neon gorge]

will keep in mind. the community is quite helpful so ı do run here with any questions

[burnt bone]

Why is your uppercase I still lowercase

[smoky latch]

Hebrew or Turkish keyboard layout

[neon gorge]

turkish keyboard we got I İ ı i and ı don't bother capitalizing each time

[burnt bone]

I see

[solar sable]

that would make an amazing barcode gamertag

[smoky latch]

For DZ

[burnt bone]

But mr doomz those are cringe… I didn’t think you were cringe…

[hazy steeple]

I can attest that they make incredibly annoying usernames to deal with.

[solar sable]

my second gamertag was xlKing_Diazlx bruh

[burnt bone]

That’s a different kind of cringe

[hazy steeple]

king dazzle?

[neon gorge]

oh reporting names ı never thought of it like that

[smoky latch]

Hahahahaha

[cerulean smelt]

or just trying to ban the correct person on discord maybe?

[solar sable]

it was during the 2014-16 CoD era 🤣

[hazy steeple]

Thankfully, User ID's are independent.

[onyx sage]

xXxVonDoomZxXx

[neon gorge]

also that forgot rivens was a mod

[compact glen]

So I'm just about done my Striker Gunner build. Should I get Hotshot sniper next for Control Point farming, or FI Survivalist Healer?

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 wears the yellow rain jacket too i bet?

[burnt bone]

I used to see so many barcodes back when I played siege. Before they realized people just auto-reported them and the barcode probably made the devs scrutinize their accounts more closely haha

[smoky latch]

Needs some meme number like 69 or 420

[hazy steeple]

they all float down here.

[burnt bone]

I like hotshot

[solar sable]

at least I dont spread misinformation

[cerulean smelt]

why not both?

[burnt bone]

Hotshot + determined white death is peak

[onyx sage]

can't live without determined

[burnt bone]

Consider… 67…

[smoky latch]

😄

[cerulean smelt]

why not 77?

[burnt bone]

Can’t live without dien.aka.kim

[solar sable]

you know what else is massive?

[livid sorrel]

The devs

[cerulean smelt]

nods we need both dien and chow to keep us inline 😹

[compact glen]

Your crits?

[hazy steeple]

I just always think of HIM from the powerpuff girls whenever I see your name.

[onyx sage]

hahahha

[solar sable]

my Determination.

[compact glen]

Doomz made a not-dick joke. Your disappointment fills you with determination.

[edgy bone]

breaking point or hotshot for a marksman build?

[solar sable]

hotshot

[compact glen]

hotshot, according to most folks

[solar sable]

🌭

[edgy bone]

tyty you guys have been mad helpful

[smoky latch]

This is "HotDog"

[edgy bone]

I just need this white death to drop for me

[onyx sage]

my version for nemesis 100% stability

[edgy bone]

wait I just got a mantis too

[solar sable]

but sir, Mantis is for tanking

[onyx sage]

mantis is really good

[hexed steppe]

go breaking point and run 1886 as a secondary. its like a 5% difference between the 2 on mmr, but bp has +25rifle as well

[edgy bone]

ooops

[compact glen]

Don't you want 4 pieces?

[onyx sage]

you don't need 4 pieces. 3p with overdogs outdamages 4p

[edgy bone]

no 1886 drop yet unfortunately just a virginian atm

[smoky latch]

What dien said

[hexed steppe]

what i use

sub in mantis for better qol

[buoyant perch]

In lower difficulty/fewer agent scaling you can go 4 piece cos you don't need that much damage

[onyx sage]

but sir, my favorite content creator said damage is king

[compact glen]

So what's better, Mantis Hotshot or Nemesis Hotshot?

Cause I can aim real good

[onyx sage]

depends on the situation

[solar sable]

I mean of you can aim both work fine, I use Mantis and Shroud

[onyx sage]

if you don't need that much damage then mantis just clears faster

[edgy bone]

yeah aim is on point I just want to make sure I'm set up to actually do damage

[hexed steppe]

youll be a lot happier with mantis, nemesis hits harder tho

[compact glen]

All I know is, Nemesis looks cooler

[smoky latch]

It's also broken atm, you cannot see how much you charge your shot for

[compact glen]

lame

[cerulean smelt]

i use handbasket with my hotshot, just because 😹

[onyx sage]

just for reference, mantis clears comfortably in heroic all group sizes and legendary up to duo, it's only when you go up higher that you'll need nem for dealing with chungas and restarting stack

[buoyant perch]

I know someone who can carry public MM 4-man lego full directive with nemesis

[compact glen]

I'm so confused as to which hotshot build to go for then

[onyx sage]

i mean they're basically the same with just different guns lol

[compact glen]

Should I run Hotdog?

[solar sable]

is it rotor or roter or whatever

[compact glen]

I still need to get overdogs come to think of it. I've had dogshit luck trying to get it

[solar berry]

Hotdog 👀

[buoyant perch]

Zoodoll

[compact glen]

3p hotshot w/ overdogs

[solar berry]

Ahhh

[edgy bone]

yeap same I just got a coyote mask finally lol

[compact glen]

Literally my first exotic lmao

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, threw me through a loop until i saw it was like ah

[compact glen]

Base rolls aren't bad either

[solar sable]

they don't change in terms of different rolls, just percentages

[solar berry]

Wild name ngl for it

[compact glen]

I know, but considering how high they are, it won't take much to optimize

[solar sable]

HA!

[cerulean smelt]

looks like 3 each stat?

[solar sable]

at least 140 FRD

[compact glen]

So is Coyote's better than overdogs for 3p Hotshot?

[cerulean smelt]

maybe 2 if you're lucky?

[solar sable]

Coyote's doesn't do anything for MMRs

[fervent seal]

are there any other alternatives for the acs-12 for HB?

[buoyant perch]

No, you don't want crit in hs build

[buoyant perch]

Stack broker, rock and roll

[solar berry]

Stack broker is king 👑

[flint arch]

stack brokers are bugged atm

[fervent seal]

welp, the grind continues then

[compact glen]

Wait, why don't I want crit on a HS build?

[flint arch]

you want purely HS

[compact glen]

OH

[edgy bone]

I belive you just want to stack HS damage as high as it can go

[compact glen]

Duh, right. That makes sense.

[buoyant perch]

Because crit damage is additive to headshot damage, same bucket so might as well go full HS

[compact glen]

Funny enough, while I was farming for stats to build up striker, a lot of my gear pieces have headshot maxed

[void oracle]

may i ask how do you go about getting that

[compact glen]

I've been targeting loot to gloves and just running Countdown on Heroic

then buying up exotic caches in the meantime

[flint arch]

getting bp from hyena retal is more consistent

[compact glen]

Bruh, there's a SHD 20k in my group rn

[flint arch]

SHD level is meaningless

[compact glen]

I know, but I mean.... go outside

[solar berry]

People are in 100k+

[flint arch]

I've seen people at 10k+ play like complete ass with the most horrendous rainbow NBB build you could think of

[solar sable]

plot twist: he does go outside

[hexed steppe]

20k is entry level

[compact glen]

my SHD is only 35 ;-;

[void oracle]

mm ok

[hexed steppe]

once you hit 1k youll be done the tutorial

[flint arch]

and reach the early endgame

[solar berry]

Tbh… it really matters getting to the 1k, after that it’s free rss

[compact glen]

This is why I'm using my Striker build to farm Hotshot out rn. Once I make a solid enough sniper build, I'm going to start using that to farm control points

[hexed steppe]

it really does just mean time at this point, and even less so with the 3x/5x events for 1k shd

[solar sable]

3x*

[solar berry]

Real… doing 1k without x2/5 is very long 😔

[flint arch]

3x*

[smoky latch]

That used to be normal, lol

[solar sable]

dx/x 3x

[cerulean smelt]

people would probably burn out before that 😹

[solar berry]

I was there

[flint arch]

3

[solar sable]

dx/x sen(cos(tan(5x)))

[hexed steppe]

oh yeah, used to only be 2x for 15 levels

[flint arch]

i haven't gotten to that part in my calculus 1 class yet

[solar sable]

dammit

[cerulean smelt]

hurry up damn it 😹

[solar berry]

I might have to do it for SD mmm 🤔 deciding tho for schooling

[flint arch]

@solar sable witness my garbage gameplay with pvgc striker

also why are rpg enemies and heavy gunners given the same icon

[compact glen]

RPG is heavy

[cerulean smelt]

how'd you shock yourself with your own weapoin? j/k

[flint arch]

i shot a medic in the back at close range

also this is me playing lincoln memorial to pretend that im good at the game

[solar berry]

Blind moment

[pulsar burrow]

Is Chameleon + Coyote + Foundry Bulwark set and using the shield a decent build?

[flint arch]

holy shit no

[pulsar burrow]

oh no

[cerulean smelt]

going to say no, people will tell you to drop foundry for something else

[flint arch]

any FB build that isn't a hazpro tank for IH raid immediately goes into the trash

[pulsar burrow]

Dang internet lied to me lol.

[flint arch]

stay the hell away from div 2 yt

[pulsar burrow]

What's a good gear set for it?

[cerulean smelt]

unless you like taking 1 hour on 15 minute mission runs 😹

[flint arch]

Chameleon is meh, it's not a good AR, because it isn't an AR

[pulsar burrow]

YEah I live. DPS is a little low tho

[flint arch]

Its damage talent is also very inconsistent

[pulsar burrow]

Yeah after booting up the game after 4 years, these are the two exotics I got lol

[flint arch]

Just run Striker and learn how to position, or use a techtank build if you want to facetank for a few more seconds

[pulsar burrow]

What's striker about?

[flint arch]

Shoot enemy and you deal more damage

[pulsar burrow]

Whoa

[flint arch]

Shoot enemy more, deal even more damage

[solar berry]

This, also ask questions on here… also check pins for some good builds to use or gave an idea of… a lot of build crafting normally comes from questions and experience

[flint arch]

It's the standard DPS build with the most consistent results and is the easiest to farm

[pulsar burrow]

Rad

[flint arch]

Detailed Striker guide

[pulsar burrow]

Yea I looked up some other build stuff and then got to a google doc that made no sense cause everything was acronyms.

[solar sable]

my guy that is average gameplay

[flint arch]

average

[hexed steppe]

gaming pc is located in an elevator 🛗 ?

[pulsar burrow]

Now will the Like Glue shotty work well with the striker set?

[flint arch]

im listening to some 24/7 vaporwave radio

[hexed steppe]

i do similar at times

[hazy steeple]

I'm picturing your "vaporwave", just being elevator music.

[solar sable]

Im 25/8 on this

[flint arch]

nightwave plaza

[compact glen]

So wait- is Nemesis still acquired by grabbing multiple parts?

[hexed steppe]

yes

[compact glen]

Yeah, Mantis is starting to look better and better.

[hexed steppe]

if you get a week with grand washington hotel being invaded, you can have it added to your loot pool in 1 game session

mantis or shroud are really the goto for general gameplay tho

well, goto for the ones that dont like cheesing with determined

[solar berry]

Mantis is a demon, when in the right hands

[pulsar burrow]

What gearset would you use with the Mantis?

[compact glen]

Hotshot

[pulsar burrow]

Ah interesting. One just dropped for me.

[hexed steppe]

or breaking point

[compact glen]

lucky

[flint arch]

i haven't seen anyone use 4pc breaking point lol

[compact glen]

Optimize or reroll?

[flint arch]

do you have a copy

[hexed steppe]

use and farm another

[compact glen]

no

[flint arch]

keep it for now

reroll the gun with worse stats once you find a copy

[compact glen]

I could just do a bunch of true sons bounties and optimize

[hexed steppe]

its a lot of mats to optimize at this point, and reroll not guaranteed

[compact glen]

It'd be a pain in the ass, but I feel like I'd have better luck with that

[hazy steeple]

Isn't there some kind of Event coming up that'll speed that along?

[flint arch]

march 20th

[hazy steeple]

Problem solved then!

[flint arch]

After reaching SHD 1k, resources feel like an afterthought now

Except for receivers because I keep running out of them omfg

[compact glen]

Could someone link a 4p hotshot build so I know what mods and attributes I'm needing?

I know to prioritize headshot damage at least, but yeah

[flint arch]

Weapon handling and headshot damage on everything, mods is HS damage too

[compact glen]

All I've been getting for core attribute is weapon damage. That's fine, right?

[flint arch]

Sniper setups

[flint arch]

Core attributes are always either weapon damage, armor or skill tier

[compact glen]

Ah, okay.

Do gear pieces only ever have one minor attribute?

rather, gear sets

[flint arch]

Gear sets only have 1, HE (high-end) and exotic pieces have 2, all chest and backpack pieces have an additional talent

[compact glen]

so for 4p HS, I should use chainkiller and airaldi backpack w/ vigilance

[flint arch]

yes

replace HS gloves with overdogs for slightly more damage

[compact glen]

4p or 3p + Fox's Knees?

or 3p + Overdogs

[flint arch]

3p + overdogs is better, but 4p HS will have more utility at the cost of some damage

[hexed steppe]

or 2pc with overdogs and fox

[compact glen]

kk

I think I might wanna run 4p HS for group play, 3p + Dogs for solo

[slim sorrel]

dumb question of the day, can you change main attribute and 2 minors on 1 high end gear piece?

[compact glen]

iirc, you can only change one attribute

[flint arch]

you can recalibrate any stat on a piece, but once you've recalibrated one of the stats, you can only re-recalibrate that stat from then on

[compact glen]

and optimize the rest

[slim sorrel]

fug me then.. back to farming

[flint arch]

you will still be able to optimize the other attributes

[edgy bone]

I got decoy what else should I run with a mmr build? I've seen sticky just not sure which one

[subtle bluff]

Anything that feels good to you

[hexed steppe]

emp sticky

[solar sable]

foam chem for stacking HH IMHO

[subtle bluff]

Foam is always powerful

[edgy bone]

I was having a toss-up between emp and foam this is hilarious

[cerulean smelt]

determined gives me hh stacks

[slim sorrel]

where do i farm this?

[solar sable]

you mother-...

[cerulean smelt]

named black tusks

[flint arch]

as a certified noob, i use recon drone just so i can actually see where the enemies are with fog of war when im doing 5 directive control point farming

[compact glen]

Black Tusk bounties and missions with named BT enemies.

[solar sable]

jk^

[slim sorrel]

please bare with me while i ask you 100 other dumb questions for the next couple weeks till i figure this game out again...

[cerulean smelt]

sighs i miss the modifer where pulse set them on fire 😹

[flint arch]

dw we are very willing to help

so long as you don't ever use NBB that is /j

[cerulean smelt]

then you have me 😹

[cerulean smelt]

more like no NBB or Determined

[flint arch]

hey i use determined because im bad at the game

[slim sorrel]

whats NBB?

[flint arch]

ninjabike messenger backpack

[compact glen]

Just got this out of a cache. Good roll?

I'll likely swap health damage for CHD or CHC

[flint arch]

CHC for 3rd attribute on LMGs, but you can keep it for now if this is your only copy

[compact glen]

It is

Could I use Pestilence in place of St Elmo's?

[flint arch]

It's a well-known noob trap, it seems powerful on the surface, but you actually lose more from foregoing the backpack talent than any stats you gain from mix and matching stat gains from gear/brand sets

[buoyant perch]

That would be worse

[flint arch]

No. Pestilence needs its own dedicated build to be good

[compact glen]

Lame

What build uses Pestilence?

[flint arch]

It's a good weapon, but it demands a different build and playstyle

[slim sorrel]

10-4

[flint arch]

Concentrated Company (or CoCo, as we call it)

[cerulean smelt]

if i could, determined + pummel shotgun build with Tinkerer's mask

question would be HHF for it? or some other odd headshot shotgun build? 🤔

[compact glen]

Okay so my pestilence roll was pretty damn good, and I can easily swap out the attribute for maxed out CHC

[solar sable]

🥥

[flint arch]

coconut

[compact glen]

Oh wait, I can't swap attributes on Exotics, can I?

[flint arch]

You have to reroll the entire thing

[compact glen]

LAME

Man, there is a SHD 4 queueing for Heroic. Does that sound right?

[cerulean smelt]

while using Exotic Components mind you

[buoyant perch]

CD heroic: diabolical
Mission heroic: meh everything works in heroic

[compact glen]

its CD

[buoyant perch]

It's bad

[cerulean smelt]

can't say i'd know heroic CD. never bothered running. challenging has always been enough for me

[flint arch]

challenging CD is honestly good enough

the loot from Challenging CD is a bit better than open world/missions at Challenging

[buoyant perch]

Yeah it's heroic quality in CD challenging

[flint arch]

that loading screen text is wrong

it used to be true when countdown only had one difficulty

[buoyant perch]

I would need a source for that

[flint arch]

Challenging CD doesn't drop Heroic quality loot, it's more like Challenging+

[void oracle]

are yall talking about countdown?

[flint arch]

From iKia

[void oracle]

oh yall are

[buoyant perch]

Only normal and hard in that test

[sharp gust]

There are two rules for CD that I've learnt:
always play on challenging and never go VIP.

[flint arch]

Wrong text, outdated due to addition of difficulty selection to countdown.

[fair dragon]

Speaking of Countdown, we have 292 days to 2027

[buoyant perch]

I asked V1rtualzz who I trust and he said challenge and heroic have the same quality

[void oracle]

I play heroic on it

[cerulean smelt]

in a meer few weeks we get countdown overdrive 👀

maybe you'll finally get enough requistions to buy salmon

[flint arch]

I mean, if you ask anyone active in this server they will tell you that Challenging and Heroic Countdown do have a difference in loot quality

It's just not significant enough to warrant playing in Heroic Countdown all the time

[sharp gust]

There is a difference but it is not worth it

[buoyant perch]

Anecdotal evidence is not reliable

[flint arch]

Then what about your source, is that reliable too

[buoyant perch]

Yes

[flint arch]

They datamined the info or something?

[buoyant perch]

It's not allowed to discuss that here

[flint arch]

Alright, I'm not going to push it further

[sharp gust]

It's like running legendary missions, I've never gotten god rolled items on my runs even though the chances are better

Only worth it if you're in the mood and it's fun

[hexed steppe]

based on an outdated tip in the loading screen from when there was only 1 difficulty and the loot quality was being compared to heroic content at the time?

[junior lagoon]

What is heroic loot? I assume better rolls?

[solar sable]

only High End and above 50%, most of the time, percentages

[hexed steppe]

difficulty generally raises your average rolls but increasing the minimum roll an item can get

any difficulty can produce god/max rolls tho

[solar sable]

just in less quantity but ye

[junior lagoon]

A bit vague

[hexed steppe]

how so

[junior lagoon]

Without the percentages it is vague. The amount of loot in countdown is huge so it is difficult to understand if it is giving heroic whatever that is or not. I got terrible rolls from countdown

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say that's RNG at it's finest

[junior lagoon]

I dont know for example if is worse or same as heroic retal

I suspect it is worse than legendary summit

[hexed steppe]

think of each difficulty tightening up your top and bottom rolls. so like normal difficulty might produce 1-10% on a given roll, heroic might produce 6-10% on the same roll.

[junior lagoon]

Yeah that makes sense

I like countdown if i need an entire set

[hexed steppe]

comparing the different modes heroic countdown produced slightly better rolls than heroic missions or open world. leg summit would be better than either. i would hazard a guess that heroic retal is similar in quality to heroic countdown

i dont have an hard numbers to back it up but its what ive observed anyways

[junior lagoon]

When i first started i was looking for a scorpio, set it to shotgun and got it in my second try. I was like this is great. Did nkrtget another exotic for 2 months

[buoyant perch]

@flint arch OK I asked iKia again and he said people have tested that heroic CD has a tiny bit higher minimum roll. I think we can trust that.

[smoky latch]

Exotics do not drop very often in CD tho

[cerulean smelt]

that's div 2 in a nutshell. people farmed for eagle bearer for weeks. i run it with a group and i get it first or second run 😹

[hexed steppe]

were you buying exotic caches also

[junior lagoon]

Yes

[hexed steppe]

isnt that what i just said

[buoyant perch]

but you are not iKia

[smoky latch]

I got a bunch of exotics that I missed during my break from Priority Objectives tho, not sure if that is a general thing

[cerulean smelt]

you're ancient, ikia is young 😹

[hexed steppe]

ikia also sources some knowledge from others

just like the rest of this community

[junior lagoon]

When i started it was winter event. I took my time so caught up only when they extended and now I understand how huge it was

I got every single item on that list mainly because i was looking for chill out and it was the second to last item so i got all those event exotics and named items

I thought stretch event would be similiar but alas