td2-build-advice

[solar sable]

what makes Harrier feel bad is the swapping

it's unnecessary but devs thought it like that

[cerulean smelt]

personally for me it's the number 3 to gain stacks for both

[subtle bluff]

Helping with buff without sacifacing too much of your own DPS right?

[keen plank]

Yup yup. Something like that

[subtle bluff]

OD is the way. Sadist weapon is fairly big.

OD DPS is still rather powerful in DPS.

Not saying what you need to do but this is the what OD can do.

Note scaling for solo vs 4man is different.

[keen plank]

Nice. I have something similar. Definitely will change the backpack talent to wicked than vigilance, makes more sense and also changing weapon talent to sadist

[solar sable]

I use Vigi when solo, but if im in groups I go Wicked
OD is mainly designed to act as a support build and not a main source of DMG like Strikers, for example

[burnt bone]

Idk wicked + sadist + 50% chest + equalizer is pretty based

[subtle bluff]

Equalizer?

[onyx sage]

you wear one on top of the other sir

[burnt bone]

Don’t worry about it

[solar sable]

I do

[hexed steppe]

-# new meta detected

[stray sentinel]

I swapped my St elmos for the big Alejandro LMG and now my CHC went down to 40%. How can I bump this back up to 50% while also getting 150% CHD so I can do raids without glitching out (I’ve been told the shock ammo causes problems)?

I am running 4 pc strikers with equalizer chest and overdogs gloves. All 6 pieces have max 6% CHC and I have capped out my SHD watch

[atomic nest]

What's the best non AR exotic for skill build

[subtle bluff]

Yes because AL has not Weapon Mods so you need to have CHC on it's stats.
There isn't? You chance your stats towards your weapons mods.

[subtle bluff]

Test Subject or in-sync talent in general works

[atomic nest]

I have that, im trying to find a secondary weapon. Hopefully exotic

[subtle bluff]

Get Capa it's Challenges in Summit

[stray sentinel]

So I need to use the big al bp in order to roll for chc

[hushed onyx]

big alejandro, what sett to go after?

[subtle bluff]

Just like any other weapon.

striker, TS and nego all work

[timid token]

Is this good stats for my striker build

[buoyant perch]

It's ok but work on your gun's crit mods and get a good talent on your gun

[cerulean smelt]

i'd aim to get at least 55% but it'll do

[burnt bone]

Prob want a damage talent on your m4 but the rest looks ok, are all your attributes and mods chc/chd?

[timid token]

Some chc and some are chd

[timid token]

And mine not at 6% on equalizer sadly it 5.1%

[cerulean smelt]

assume you haven't foudn 6% chance on gears yet or just not enough materials to optimize to 6%?

[timid token]

I’m farming gear idk how to do that

[burnt bone]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?usp=drivesdk have you read this yet

[timid token]

Uh I don’t think so I’ll read it

[cerulean smelt]

i only see you have 2 maxed stats throughout your build, 214 shd level
so just assuming you haven't filled in your library yet or you got lucky and got the max stats, but lack the materials to optimize to the max stat on your gear

[timid token]

When I tinker sometime it say weapon handling and not crit chance

Or crit dmg

[cerulean smelt]

sounds like you haven't had luck finding crit chance to extract to your library

[timid token]

Ah

[burnt bone]

Please read the whole document

It explains tinkering fully

[timid token]

Ok

[flint arch]

I should prioritize hitting 60% CHC with TS right?

[smoky latch]

Si

[flint arch]

Sorry I can only read Chinese

[burnt bone]

Very important, even if you have to go over

[cerulean smelt]

i usually advise not going over 60, just get as close as possible

[subtle bluff]

If you're at like 59% CHC ok but otherwise you want to hit cap

[burnt bone]

It’s more important for tipping scales because you’re only really benefitting from the gear set if you’re hitting crits

[civic meteor]

Why doesn’t it allow me to upgrade?

[smoky latch]

You need to increase your expertise level

Seems you're stuck at level 3

[timid token]

Aye I read the thing and I’m kinda confused when I attributed it is it max or not and why will it not let me max it to 6%

[smoky latch]

Idk why you cropped out the part that actually tells you already why you cannot go higher than level 3 atm

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, you gotta have that max extracted from a gear to get it max. there's no just nudge it over

[timid token]

On what max

[cerulean smelt]

it tells you on each stat

[timid token]

K

[cerulean smelt]

i mean i know it's hard to see where it shows your current max of 7% for weapon handling and max 8% above that bar. plus the colored in part to indicate how close to max you are

[timid token]

So wait I need to lvl my attributes to get it at 6% cause it lvl 31

And not lvl 40

[subtle bluff]

no

[cerulean smelt]

that 31-40 is extracting the gear you got from 31-40
before resolve you were hard locked to level 30 until you traveled to New York and were stuck to New York until finished the campaign there

[timid token]

Oh

[timid token]

Ah

Man this library confusing xd

And tinkering as well

[cerulean smelt]

not really, just takes time getting used to it

tinkering isn't so bad but their explanations could be use a bit more
people tend to think oh i can change all my stats to whatever i want as many times as i want
then we have to inform them, you change 1 thing that thing you can keep change to your hearts desire
in the case of weapons, chests and backpacks we tell you to change the talent alone as you never know when some future content comes out with a new strong talent so you want to change that on your gear instead of farming for a new gear so you can change the talent on it

but unicorn drops makes that difficult in this case i'm hunting down 2 palisades pieces. mask with crit chance and damage on it so i can change the armor core to weapon core, the chest is the hardes part as i now i have to find the chance/damage and talent on it so i can have a red core on it as well

[timid token]

K

[cerulean smelt]

would be a nice QOL if they just allowed us to recalibrate everything on gears, and the 2 things on weapons

[timid token]

Yeah

[cerulean smelt]

but that'd break the looter shooter aspect of the game so i respect that we can't do that 😹

[timid token]

But would be cool xd

Wow I can’t attribute my knee pads to crit chance

[cerulean smelt]

meaning you haven't extracted it off another gear yet or you already have it

[timid token]

Don’t have it

[cerulean smelt]

exactly, so you have to farm up kneepads that has crit chance on it and extract it to apply it to those you're trying

[timid token]

Oh

[cerulean smelt]

count down challenging runs will fill your library quickly

[timid token]

Luckily I got kneepads crit chance

[timid token]

Also how I check my lvl on library

[cerulean smelt]

see the far left side in white "Level 31-40" that's your level of your library. the Triangle will switch it to 1-30 which is the same stuff just smaller max by slightly

[timid token]

Oh

It been lvl 31 for like 8 days when I been playing countdown 😹

[cerulean smelt]

because you're above that level. if you created a new agent and gotten access to the library you'll see it say 1-30

[timid token]

Ah

[stray sentinel]

I understand that when reconfiguring exotics, you get random attributes rolled but is there still a range that the attributes can fall under? Or can it theoretically be like 1% for all the attributes

I’m planning to reconfigure my big Alejandro to get chc rolled so like is it possible I get an insanely low roll on chc if I even get it

[crude sierra]

Ok so I havent played in a while. Got new dlc and this is my setup and ill be honest im not hitting like I should be. Can't even get through new dlc with my current setup. Feel free to PM with advice, should I throw this whole setup out? What's a good build i can throw together to do random endgame stuff??

[stray sentinel]

What’s your primary? Strikers 4 pc is fine, that’s the same ones I run on my dps build. Do you have weapon damage, chc and CHD attributes on your gear?

[crude sierra]

Yes I do.

My primary is mk16 socom with full ARD,HD, HSD

[cerulean smelt]

if you can, get a new one if you like that. shoud be ARD, HD, Damage to Targets out of Cover (DTOC) with Killer talent more preferable for players, i like strained honestly Edit: or measured for faster pew pew for 50% magazine the slower pew pew but more damage per pew

[crude sierra]

Ok cool thanks ill do that 🙂

[stray sentinel]

Could just recalibrate DTOC over HSD if you have it in your library

[crude sierra]

Ill take a look and see if I do

[burnt bone]

Where did your pixels go mr chow

[cerulean smelt]

buildstation app images

[subtle bluff]

I’ve decided showing this then explain the Crit afterwards

[cerulean smelt]

or is it another build tool?

[subtle bluff]

same buildstation

[burnt bone]

Why is buildstation stealing pixels from our agents…

[cerulean smelt]

maybe it's just people associate builds via images and to have it load faster so drop the graphics a bit so one doesn't sit at loading screen for a year

[burnt bone]

No way… I don’t believe it…

[ruby trench]

ok this is dumb...on keener and he will not come out of the room

any help on this?

[cerulean smelt]

no timer on one of the boxes counting down? tried an oxi?

[smoky latch]

Apparently a common bug in Realism. Maybe a restart helps as I've not heard of a solution

[ruby trench]

no this is reg

[smoky latch]

Lol. Idk then

[cerulean smelt]

it could be in normal game play but the realism might've bled into the normal game play

think people has issues with the Chameleon not showing it's stacking mechanism on it

[junior elm]

tips

[cerulean smelt]

55to 60% chance? and double the damage you have for how much chance you have?

[junior elm]

is that what i want to prioritize?

[cerulean smelt]

yes, need the closest to 60% possible then dump everything into crit damage

next week if you're still fixing this you'll have to be careful on the crit chance as next week we get an overdrive that lets us get 85% chance 😹 will be intersting how people reach that and having a lot of damage in there too

[junior elm]

so basically equipt that and just go crit damage

lol 85 is insane

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, was definitely a popular overdrive

[shy willow]

I'm just sadge you can't turn overdrive off

[junior elm]

im at 58 now

feels stronger i figured i had enough crit chance

[cerulean smelt]

nods that's why people go the chance/damage route with most builds

[timid token]

Hey can u send me a link that called tinker guide and library guide

[cerulean smelt]

did i ever send you guide for that?

[timid token]

Uh yes but i need to read it

Again

Cause I’m having trouble of attribute of library

[cerulean smelt]

if it wa me this is what i sent
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?tab=t.0

[timid token]

Thx

[timid token]

So it said I have to find and higher roll and order to optimize it max

Or am I wrong

[cerulean smelt]

whatever you extracted to your library is the highest you can go in optimizing hence we suggest getting max as soon as possible

[timid token]

K

[uncut elbow]

A simple way of doing it is:

Run a mission -> check library to see if anything can be updated -> donate any junk to expertise -> deconstruct remaining items

Eventually you’ll mostly deconstruct stuff or add it to your expertise.

[timid token]

On which mission countdown ?

[uncut elbow]

Countdown is probably the best option to farm gear. Ideally you’ll use run it on challenging or heroic to get your striker gear ( if you are just starting out) and then the next run you’ll set the target loot for gloves to get overdogs.

[timid token]

Got overdogs

[paper lark]

what build could go well with the new backpack?

[smoky latch]

Apparently Striker's with EB

[paper lark]

what about the oxpecker or whatever it's name is

[smoky latch]

Yeah some content creators are trying to hype that. Idk, not my thing

[paper lark]

heartbreaker...or foundry gearset

[livid sorrel]

any build with memento if you don't like it

[smoky latch]

Idk, I don't play defensive builds very often

[livid sorrel]

it probably works for a solo tanky build but a tech tank would be better

[swift raft]

@hexed steppe picking up our discussion from yesterday, can you share some good memnto builds?

[hexed steppe]

basically you strap on memento to a regular dps. its usually a dps loss, but for that specific tradeoff. youll likely run oblit chest so youre not taking the extra damage from glass. the only thing to really take into account is the lack of crit attributes and the need to rebalance crit to still have good dps

i always used ceska piece with it to help.

[hexed steppe]

something like this probably would be my goto. striker is very popular and would be in the same configuration

[swift raft]

thanks

i dont have that set so i think ill use striker

[stray sentinel]

CHC or CHD on strikers holster? Running Big Al with CHC secondary attribute (though it's nowhere near maxed), and have CHC on all of the other 5 pieces as well

Overdogs, Equalizer, Striker's mask/backpack all have CHD max too

[lime lance]

never really got to endgame stuff after all these years ...... recommendation on armor regen builds?

[smoky latch]

PvP or PvE?

[lime lance]

mostly pve

i dark zone once in a while

[smoky latch]

Armor regen not really recommended for PvE because you will spend a lot of attributes/brand bonus on it and lose out on damage

You can use the Memento backpack in a DPS build however

[hexed steppe]

thatll be better for legs anyways i think

[lime lance]

thats where im gonna start farming then lol

[smoky latch]

Aye, GL

[lime lance]

downloading div2 as we speak

[hushed gorge]

does anyone have a good Big Al build

currently i am using this

[smoky latch]

Equalizer chest, Overdogs and you're good. Is already pretty much the strongest build for it AFAIK

[burnt bone]

Get as close to 60% chc as you can and then everything into chd

[sharp folio]

Actually would tipping scales with big al would be better than the build gcrock made 2 days ago

[solar sable]

what's his build?

[sharp folio]

Check his channel...

[hazy steeple]

@sharp folio Post it here, we aren't link farms.

[sharp folio]

Ok hold on

[solar sable]

I would say solid, standard NegoDogs

[hazy steeple]

I think that's a ceska chest

since I can barely see the hammer icon

[sharp folio]

Yes

[sharp folio]

Yeah it is (I was in the middle of a match so couldn't check it)

Also could someone tell me why on gcrock's video his banshee pulse looks bigger and longer while mine is smaller and shorter?

[smoky latch]

Probably gunner spec with mods

+15% radius

[sharp folio]

Idk how to use the mods tho (the skill ones)

[smoky latch]

Got it?

[sharp folio]

Yeah, not sure how did I miss that

[smoky latch]

Happens

[sharp folio]

So what mods should I be rocking on a crusader shield in striker build?

[buoyant kraken]

I recently got Eagle bearer and see it provides nice survivability via its talent.

Would a red heartbreaker be a good setup with it? Since I'll try and focus the headshots as closer range? Or are there any other better builds for it? Like techtank etc?

[subtle bluff]

HP HP Holster Regen

[sharp folio]

Can you even have 2 hp mods on a shield?

[subtle bluff]

I wouldn't say so.

[vernal tusk]

Hello i have craft yahl mask to get 10 hazard pro, attributes are armor, hazard, armor regen, 3pcs cavalier with armor, hazpro. 2pcs golan armor, hazpro, armor regen. I got 109 hazpro, 100 % rest, 36 protection elites. So i wonder how it works in gameplay?

[subtle bluff]

You don't to much jsut stand around.

[vernal tusk]

Eh i just thought 100 % hazpro build would be perfect due to fire, disorient, disrupt....so on from enemies. I use artificer hive and shield

@subtle bluff

[subtle bluff]

I mean... What is gonna do otherwise

[vernal tusk]

Do i have better survival with fountry hazard, golan, belstone build then cavalier hazpro build?

With more armor regeneration ...

[fair dragon]

you're pretty much a playable NPC at this point. question is, why?

[hazy steeple]

It's a great way to cosplay as a bit of tall cover.

[vernal tusk]

I want to have survivability with hazpro, elite protection, regen, armor wheb play legendary

[hazy steeple]

The issue is that once you have all those stats, where is your damage?

Div2 doesn't really have an aggro system, per-se.

[vernal tusk]

I agree, but it help me support dps plsyers when down , legendary mission . I see a lot of people only have blue cores when play legendary like improvised gear and mask, backpack , chest with armor, hazard, armor regen, protection elites mod

[fair dragon]

PfE is very valuable in Legendaries.

[vernal tusk]

Pfe?

[fair dragon]

Protection from Elites

[vernal tusk]

Yes

[fair dragon]

but how are you going to support your teammates?

[vernal tusk]

But maybe not have too much blue cores

[fair dragon]

you don't really need many blue cores for PfE to be effective.

[vernal tusk]

Ok i have an idear. Thanks

If i make some imrpvised with armor and red core + elites. And find 2 golan and a Belstone with armor, red core + PFE. Then i have 70 % protection elites and a bit of armor regen. I have a belstone obliterste chest with armor and red cores :).

[hearty owl]

Yeah before you dump mats into making that lemme tell you that it won’t be what you expect

[fair dragon]

I have seen that configuration once. Dude folded like wet noodle against a purple minitank

but that's ok, you go find your mojo

[hearty owl]

that entire playstyle also revolved around Scorpio being broken

[subtle bluff]

Tanking is really a think in Div2. There is a way to support tank but that's less on the build and more gameplay and knowledge.

[hearty owl]

If you really want to support your dead teammates, learn how to quick swap to the Birdie bag and run a Decoy

That is literally more useful than any tank player in a Legendary

Tanks used to be mobile revive hives for their team, but since Birdie came out anyone can do it

[subtle bluff]

Have you seen the 3 builds leggo clip I have Whaet?

[hearty owl]

I think I have

[subtle bluff]

The last line "that's impossible"

[livid sorrel]

always fun to watch that

[cerulean smelt]

we need a dj using his voice for some kind of division 2 song 🤔

[strong cave]

Could even run Beacon chest as well since the Regen on that is busted

[dim girder]

is this a decent build tryna do dps

[shy willow]

Replace the knees with striker and it's somewhat workable

Not perfect by any means but workable

[dim girder]

can yu give me a good dps build

im ass at making my own builds honestly

[shy willow]

There's a spreadsheet pinned in here with a hub that links the top builds

[dim girder]

alright thanks

[strong cave]

The good news is you have 3 of the 4 pieces we would've recommended

[livid sorrel]

not much point using only 3 pieces of a gear set unless it's hotshot

[cerulean smelt]

i'm on the either 4 gearset or no gearsets. i understand 3 hotshot can be an exception of what it provides in that sense but i'm like why not just get that 4th piece anyways and benefit from it's talent?

[hexed steppe]

Because the talent on hotshot is meh

And how else you gonna stack chainkiller, vigilance, and still have room for dogs

[dim girder]

this better?

no more gear set 💗 💗

[cerulean smelt]

still meh damage wise

[dim girder]

hm okay

[hexed steppe]

Adding the 4th striker piece to the first setup was workable and easy to fix

Using obliterate chest talent fixes it further.
Using an AR with measured/killer/strained fixes it further.

Using all crit chance and crit damage attributes helps fix it further

[cerulean smelt]

they do have killer talent though?

[hexed steppe]

Its available to farm it

[livid sorrel]

probably making a temp one for farming?

[dim girder]

i do

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i see that, just pointing it out to localdeck in case they didn't see your weapon having it already

[dim girder]

this better now?

[cerulean smelt]

better but chest is hard to maintain that 200 stacks

[dim girder]

what do i switch out then for 4th striker

[livid sorrel]

kneepads

[dim girder]

alright

[cerulean smelt]

waht you pictured was perfect minus the 4th striker kneepads being absent

[dim girder]

is ceska a fine chest

[cerulean smelt]

#td2-build-advice message
as naval mentioned

[livid sorrel]

it's the meta chest before equalizer came along

[cerulean smelt]

it'd ideal since strikers is crit chance starved

[dim girder]

forgot about that 💔

[cerulean smelt]

also considering your level 29 shd you definitely don't ahve the chance filled in yet so ceska is your only choice atm

[dim girder]

what about tardigrade

[dim girder]

chance filled in for what?

[cerulean smelt]

you see the box i put?

[dim girder]

oh i see now, okay

[cerulean smelt]

if you click that you'll see it open another thing and 4 other boxes full of 4 different stats to put points into every 5th piont is for materials/ecredits but most people use it mostly for materials. hard to get materials

like something SHD and another thing jut above or below that choice

[dim girder]

alr

[cerulean smelt]

but i'd save those 5th points for much later as getting shd levels takes a lot of time

[strong cave]

Them barking dogs!

[dapper glacier]

for xp farming

[cerulean smelt]

it probably works, but there's better builds to do more damage than this set up honestly

[dapper glacier]

I was rocking this one but the other one feels better

[cerulean smelt]

i went with animble holster and Iron lung on my umbra

[flint arch]

if you're farming xp, control points w/ 5 directives is your best bet, try using a sniper build instead, you can run determined to make it way easier for yourself

but you can just run a normal dps build for the control points, it just makes the directives more difficult to deal with

[dapper glacier]

I would have a look. I need to make one first 😅

[flint arch]

also fyi oxpecker is bad

[dapper glacier]

I like it because with the centurion scabbard im getting 70+ magazine size and I don't need to reload from most of the time

same with the lmg

[faint wind]

Sure, you can use your favorite guns but you're sacrificing efficiency

[dapper glacier]

is the mp7 still good?

[faint wind]

not really

well I mean, it depends on difficulty

[flint arch]

can't add mag size

[cerulean smelt]

SMG 9 is probably up there SMG wise i believe?

[flint arch]

smg9, some specific vector variants, dark winter, ouroboros

[dapper glacier]

I been rocking grown great but i think the perk it have is not that great

[flint arch]

backfire is also very strong, but you need to manage the bleeding

[cerulean smelt]

pretty much doo doo talent
the gotos are measured/strained/killer

[scenic whale]

Was not expecting Big Al to not have a single weapon mod but it’s doing fine enough. Nothing out of the ordinary it doesn’t seem like but it’s good fun

[livid sorrel]

you gain bleed immunity eventually iirc

[flint arch]

hence why you need to manage the bleeding

[cerulean smelt]

you do

[dapper glacier]

I have the slingshot with killer

[faint wind]

If you stack up to the max

[scenic whale]

At 100 stacks you don’t bleed anymore, it’s not too bad if you’re absolutely mag dumping a tanky target

2 mags and you’re immune voila. Any after that no bleed

[faint wind]

I'd say SHD 400 will have hard time managing bleed resistance so Backfire might not be an option for this case

[flint arch]

grown great is ironically bad

and so is born trash

[dapper glacier]

CMMG Banshee?

[faint wind]

nope

[sharp folio]

Is it better to go with bluescreen or the lmgs in the build from spreadsheet in the red OD build?

[dapper glacier]

Police T821 is also trash?

[faint wind]

Not necessarily bad but I'd prefer Iron Lung if I have to pick an exotic LMG

[proper wave]

does the pressure point talent work with true patriot (yes i know true patriot is bad but still)

[buoyant perch]

It's all personal choice really, I like carnage

[faint wind]

most of the SMGs are bad due to it's damage drop offs as you get further

Not entirely, there are some exceptions of course

[cerulean smelt]

no, pressure point wants status effect which patriot doesn't do

[proper wave]

shame

[cerulean smelt]

now ask us if the pestilence dot transfers with Eclipse or creeping death 😹

[faint wind]

I think TP flags aren't even a status effect iirc

[cerulean smelt]

they aren't they're a debuff

[proper wave]

nah I know about pesti

just cause true patriot is not talked about often

[cerulean smelt]

there was a time it was a decent set but other sets came out and just does better

[faint wind]

I thought the flag explosion was debuffed as hell

[cosmic girder]

I'm using born great. With a all red striker build. Is this hitting or can I do better for legendary mission?

[faint wind]

It is hitting but you have to deal that damage meanwhile they are shooting at you, so shooting range doesn't tell much

[dapper glacier]

i noticed that basically it tells you one thing there and during action is completely different

[faint wind]

Exactly, so most of the youtuber's build video is useless if they spend their time entirely in the range

[cosmic girder]

I'm trying to focus on creating an all red build for legendary. It's been a while since I played. And there's a lot of new gear. I ran heroic with all directive smoothly I don't know
If I'll survive legendary. Appreciate the feedback

[cerulean smelt]

can try a legacy manhunt with climax mission with master difficulty

first master difficulty was Theo Parnel Space HQ

[faint wind]

Heroic with directives won't tell that much either, but good luck!

[buoyant perch]

That's harder than some of the legendaries

[faint wind]

I assume he doesn't have any seasonal mod levels so that sounds like a torture

with some stupid damage mitigations only applied on hyenas

[cerulean smelt]

oh i know, i just don't remember the others off the top of my head, just remember that was the first with master difficulty

[cerulean smelt]

think some recent update they added them supposedly

so if one didn't play during that. they can run the legacy have all the modifiers from that season

[faint wind]

he could just straight up try the legendary with 3 randoms imo

I mean the 3 OLD legendaries

[cerulean smelt]

i agree

[slate wedge]

@normal aurora i saw you talking about Big Al in the feedback channel

what do you measure its damage with?

[dapper glacier]

juegas en pc o ps?

[worn imp]

Does glass cannon make shields weaker?

[cerulean smelt]

yes, shields takes teh 25 to 30% more damage bit

[neon gorge]

just got harrier pride and it seems pretty good? anything ı am missing? or is it just good

[livid sorrel]

not really

[faint wind]

it's a good exotic component at least

jokes aside, it's not that good

[neon gorge]

damn ı am wrong in my assesment of an exotic once again

[shy willow]

You'll tend to find most of the good ones are quite understated

[neon gorge]

the ones ı know to be good are llike coyote, overdogs and stuff

[faint wind]

great ones for sure

[slate wedge]

50% or 60%

[cerulean smelt]

oh right, the 25 and 30 was the damge we do isn't it?

[slate wedge]

yeah

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, can tell it's been forever since i looked at glass cannon as a talent 😹

[obsidian lotus]

would you guys say 1mil damage at 1400 rpm is good

(striker tinkerer m249 build)

its frenzy / measured, so that 1 mil goes to about 1.6 or 1.8 or smth at probably about 1200rpm

[cerulean smelt]

think people do more without tinkerer?

[livid sorrel]

what do you mean by 1m? per shot?

[obsidian lotus]

i just like frenzy measured combo 🗣🗣

[obsidian lotus]

yeah

[livid sorrel]

what about crits

[obsidian lotus]

that is crit, at about 55% chance

it might be 1.2m at the lowest, with all bufs

[livid sorrel]

it'd be easier to judge if you show your build tbh

[cerulean smelt]

if you're satisfied with the build then play it, but there are better ways of running it, like i think the same setup but tipping scales would probably be much harder hitting becuase it stacks crit damage

now overdogs is what most people tout makes your builds much stronger. tinkerer was a passing phase of being new so people made builds on it, but now they all swapped to Overdogs because the math on that doesn't lie

[livid sorrel]

i think it gets used with OD these days

[cerulean smelt]

saw a tipping scale build in the build hub

[obsidian lotus]

dont you need to fire tipping scales continuously for it to stack

[livid sorrel]

Yeah

[cerulean smelt]

don't you have to hit continuously to stack strikers?

[livid sorrel]

Burns through ammo but fun

[obsidian lotus]

but reloads dont remove stacks, they also stay out of combat

[livid sorrel]

yeah but tbf striker stacks decay slower

[obsidian lotus]

also striker has rate of fire buff so even more brrt

[cerulean smelt]

never had issues reloading with TS to lose stacks honestly

[obsidian lotus]

although ig striker rate of fire buff will get replaced vy the bigger mag with frenzy anyway

[cerulean smelt]

Forgot to ask, you got ambush global event enabled?

[obsidian lotus]

no

[cerulean smelt]

Then its impressive to do 1 millions per shot with out ambush enabled

With ambush I heard pestilence ticks are op. I got a build for it and full stacked pestilence dot got to 3 million was awesome to see that

[burnt bone]

Tipping scale also pauses stack loss on enemy suppression, so you can keep full stacks through a reload if you try to suppress a guy first

[obsidian lotus]

1 mill a shot is pretty normal for striker no?

[cerulean smelt]

Not that I've seen of honestly

[burnt bone]

I mean I hit that pretty regularly at full stacks on ARs

[slate wedge]

diminishing returns…

measured kinda overrated tbh

[worn imp]

While using measured, is the damage reduction in the first half of a mag an amp? Or is it just reducing weapon damage (as opposed to total weapon damage)?

[smoky latch]

Yes it's just reduced damage

[sharp folio]

Should I change anything in this scorpio?

[burnt bone]

I think dttooc is still preferred

[sharp folio]

In attributes right?

[burnt bone]

Yeah

[sharp folio]

Then gonna see if I have any decent number in dttooc

9% nice

[autumn glade]

Im using an elmos build rn but im thinking of switching to a cowboy build or maybe a big Al build any ideas?

[indigo trench]

Maybe mag size, it only adds an extra bullet

[cerulean smelt]

we'd need more on what Cowboy Build is

[sharp folio]

Oh wait, does the dttooc has to be from the exotic shotgun?

[lost wren]

exotics can be recalibrated you just have to roll it a bunch until you get dttooc

[slate wedge]

Keep one with Magsize and one with DtooC, first one is for healer, other one for damage builds

[carmine pewter]

Probably determined headhunter or even Regulus I guess

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, that's what i was thinking honestly but wanted to make sure. cowboy sounds like a Youtuber Build that could be horrible 🤔

[carmine pewter]

lol, with Ninjabike, can get 110% mag size lmao

Piss damage though 🙃

But a Big Al with 440 boolets lul

[cerulean smelt]

so UA and De Brazos?

[carmine pewter]

UA + TP and TS

Let me change my MXSWAT a little

[cerulean smelt]

nah, no need i think i see the combo

[carmine pewter]

I didn't see that de Brazos had 50% mag size :S

Now it's 130%

Magazine Size 485

[cerulean smelt]

us, you'rew welcome

[carmine pewter]

Eh, not something I'd show up in an incursion with lol

Or free roam at Heroic lul

[autumn glade]

Oh sorry the HHF build

Headhunters fury

[sharp folio]

I only have one scorpio 😭

[formal kraken]

Should I put blue cores on my strikers for better survivability?

[smoky latch]

If you need it, yes

Could also run Memento backpack

[proper wave]

personally exodus is all the survivability i need

[smoky latch]

Is kinda toxic to run Exodus in PvE group play 😂

[cerulean smelt]

yes the smoke blocks people's vision. you need to add the bat drone on top of it 😹

[smoky latch]

I'd rather take the Bellringer over someone using Exodus gloves

Drone with the Halloween VFX is instant leave for me anyway

[cerulean smelt]

well, bellringer isn't so bad honestly. annoying yes? but not too bad. yeah not a fan of exodus because of that smoke

[mint axle]

you are alive, everyone else is expendable.

[subtle bluff]

I just yell, Shadow Clone Jutsu! (pop decoy and run)

[smoky latch]

Ahahahahahah

[neon gorge]

is chameleon good without exodus?

[smoky latch]

It has its use, yeah

[hearty owl]

What does Chameleon have anything to do with Exodus?

[solar sable]

losing stacks maybe

[autumn glade]

Is a big alejandro build kind of meta?

[hearty owl]

We’ve made the Chameleon Striker build even worse by running Exodus on it cause we fear losing stacks 😂 That is amazing

Chameleon builds have been on a constant downgrade over the years

[vernal wing]

A standard HE Assault Rifle can usually perform better than it.

Its ideal scenario is like Mag dumping a LARGE high HP target.

[neon gorge]

ı thought the buff refresh outside combat would combo well and most builds ı see on yt with chamaleon laud exodus as the second coming of christ

[hearty owl]

Yeah it’s really good according to every subhuman IQ youtuber

[solar sable]

Big Al for me is like a weapon-ized Tipping Scales
You lose all the stacks after reloading, with TS you lose stacks in... 5-7 seconds?

[autumn glade]

fair

[mint axle]

we dont lose stack on chameleon after the smoke, pestilence is another story tho.

[neon gorge]

ı may or may not have watched like 50 yt videos of questionable research before remembering that there must certainly be a discord with a proper spreadsheet

[hearty owl]

Yeah there is a spreadsheet pinned in this channel with builds in it

[neon gorge]

ı know ı know it has been quite nice

[slate wedge]

what do you wanna use it for?

[sharp folio]

FI healer build

[slate wedge]

then keep it like it is, if you want to use it on a damage build and don’t yet have a second one with dtooc just reroll it

[sharp folio]

In what category in targeted loot is the setup backpack found in?

[onyx sage]

uzina guard brand

[hearty owl]

Thank you sir

[sharp folio]

Almost done with the healer build (ignore the striker backpack, it's just a placeholder it will be removed after the setup backpack)

[dapper glacier]

peeps is the sacrum imperium good for a sniper build?

[hearty owl]

Bottom 3 snipers of all time

Bad talent and gun

Pretty sure it was made for PvP anyways

[subtle bluff]

HF Chameleon is 🔥

[maiden plinth]

hey everyone . just want to find out if there is a way for me to get the quickstep pistol without the October or winter event ?

[cerulean smelt]

yes, ask people in LFG for Halloween Houndsman, not sure if the valentine Bloody Houndsman will drop it

[maiden plinth]

thanks alot !

[solar sable]

it does, that's how I've been helping people lol

[cerulean smelt]

for the valentines houndsman?

[solar sable]

ye

[neon gorge]

between pestilence and iron lung which to use in a tipping scales build?

[solar sable]

any, although Pesti Ticks will not benefit from TS CHD stacks

[neon gorge]

what about gear shift the named one?

[smoky latch]

Bluescreen :>

[neon gorge]

don't own it. is there a specific place it can be gotten or countdown?

[smoky latch]

Targeted Loot, which includes Countdown. Also exotic caches and Priority Objectives with exotic reward

[neon gorge]

ok ok general farming then

[smoky latch]

Ye. Retaliations for blueprint works too

[neon gorge]

ı don't have a good enough build for retaliation ı think isn't that supposed to be pretty hard?

[smoky latch]

Idk your SHD level, nor what builds you run/have or how well you play. Just a general info.

[cerulean smelt]

it's just a time constraint.
you got 6 hours to initiate it
once in it drops to like 30 minutes or something like that

[neon gorge]

I'll give it a try tomorrow then

[smoky latch]

If you want company for your Retaliations you can ask for ppl in #lfg-pc or use the Call for Backup feature

[cerulean smelt]

<-like retaliations over countdown

[smoky latch]

But you'll have to do that before you start a Retaliation

[cerulean smelt]

3 times if you want full 4 man team

[undone quartz]

anyone got a good pve build for big alejandro?

[smoky latch]

4pcs TS, Equalizer, Overdogs. 60% CHC, rest CHD

CHC as 3rd attribute on the Alejandro

[undone quartz]

Nice, overdogs is random drop?

[smoky latch]

Yes but friggin rare. Might as well farm for its blueprint via Retaliations 😄

Set your TL to gloves while doing Retaliations to increase the chance of getting them faster

[undone quartz]

Good shout thx

Oh nvm turns out i got it lol

[smoky latch]

Lol, and you weren't aware? 😄

[undone quartz]

been spamming so much retal that i jus havent paid attention to the bps unless i see matador lmao

[sharp folio]

Is grinding countdown exotic caches+targeted loot for dlc exotics a good way for those who don't have the dlcs like bfb and wony?

[subtle bluff]

Well you can't loot Marador from normal farming.

[subtle bluff]

Sorry what?

[sharp folio]

Not sure why am I including bfb but sure I guess

[sharp folio]

My friend asked me how can he grind ninjabike without dlcs

[fleet lynx]

Exodus gloves gud for pve or pvp

[sharp folio]

And other dlc exclusive exotics

[subtle bluff]

DLC doesn't matter for that.

Slow down.....

DLC exclusive well are DLC exclusive...
NBB is not from a DLC.

[cerulean smelt]

only exotic tied to a DLC is Catalyst from BFB

[smoky latch]

Where do all these funky statements come from? Reddit?

[subtle bluff]

Seriously

[sharp folio]

Nah I don't use that place

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no?

[cerulean smelt]

maybe famous youtubers

[smoky latch]

I'm curious, where did you get that info from?

[sharp folio]

I was just guessing because of the blueprints

Iirc they are from rikers or cleaners, no?

[cerulean smelt]

well, the exotic blueprints can be obtained via NY Killsquad Cache

[sharp folio]

That is true... It's just my friend goes to do 2 things with me and then leaves (literally)

[smoky latch]

The blueprint comes from Rikers, yes. But it is a general exotic and can drop anywhere

[cerulean smelt]

but if you have WONY or BFB or Both it'd just be easier to run Retaltions in those places

[smoky latch]

That too

[sharp folio]

I was honestly asking if that method would work mainly because my friend can't handle doing more than 2 things when we play

[subtle bluff]

I don't even remember if Wony had a exclusive.

BFB it was stated

[cerulean smelt]

it didn't, but excluse skills

[hazy steeple]

Technically, basically all new stuff for a while was WONY-locked, since you needed to own it.

[smoky latch]

You guys can just farm Countdown, Summit, Retaliation, OW TL, it'll drop regardless. If you keep doing Retaliations just buy the NY Kill Squad caches

[sharp folio]

I tried, we got to retaliations and he dms me: "I need to go now" and he was still online for an hour after that message 😭

[subtle bluff]

I know the skills I meant Named or Exotics.

[hazy steeple]

I'd honestly not recommend getting the NY Kill Squad Caches, you'll need the parts for other stuff.
The Reconstructed Caches are far more valuable than skipping the grind for a few Exotics BP's.

[smoky latch]

Well, don't bother helping him anymore :p

[sharp folio]

I won't, he acts so weird every time we play

[hazy steeple]

@subtle bluff Yeah a bunch of that stuff too, even brand/gearsets.

[sharp folio]

If he can't grind for the gear because "he needs to go" then I don't think he should be playing this* game

[hazy steeple]

@sharp folio They're just cosplaying Kelso.

[sharp folio]

He doesn't know who Kelso is tho

[hazy steeple]

That's because she had to go!

[smoky latch]

We will never forget that

[cerulean smelt]

@hazy steeple make Manny's voice line "She had to go" a division 2 soundboard

[hazy steeple]

I saw a stream the other day, where the donation sound was the full speech from Manny, and someone donated $1 every time it ran out.

I appreciate the dedication.

[cerulean smelt]

that's hilarious

[mint axle]

Agent I need--

[timid token]

My stats at 58 now

On crit hit chance

[cerulean smelt]

now get that crit damage up above 116% and you're cooking

[timid token]

Aight

So do I use my knee pads and holster at crit dmg

And my mask and backpack crit chance

[cerulean smelt]

if theres things you can change to crit damage without affecting your chance sure

[timid token]

K

Time to farm gear stats now

Bye bye

[raw forge]

hey fellas, is the 1886 build from thje sheet up to date?

[subtle bluff]

more or less

[raw forge]

alr, new thing to chase

[mint axle]

Probably not, I don't see the so beloved overdogs everyone uses.

[smoky latch]

They're not necessary tho

[mint axle]

I keep saying that, but some still disagree on that.

[raw forge]

I dont mind the items as long as the output is there

if eagles grasp is enough then eagle's grasp we shall use

[smoky latch]

No exotic or named item is necessary for any build. They can elevate builds or enable different play styles but they're not mandatory

[smoky latch]

Contractor's Gloves, try those

Use a Zwiadowka backpack w/ Vigilance instead of The Gift then

[raw forge]

time to get some more zwiadowka then

need a holster for sheet build anyway

[sharp folio]

What are the chances of getting exotic from a normal enemy?

[hexed steppe]

Overdogs, 2breaking, 2zwai (headhunter chest and vigilance bag), fox's probably offers the highest amount of rifle damage.

[sharp folio]

Just asking because I dropped this from a normal enemy in the outpost

[hexed steppe]

I use chainkiller and gift personally, but I tested last night with mid rolled zwai pieces and it was hitting harder

Ill be farming proper pieces myself for the same build

[hazy steeple]

That one zwai piece with extra Handling is calling that siren song to me.

[cerulean smelt]

i prefer souless' 1886 build 😹

[hexed steppe]

Which is that?

[solar sable]

Hazwaii?

[cerulean smelt]

chainkiller 1886 with determined. nothing else 😹

[raw forge]

so its

breaking mask
oerdogs hands
chainiller chest
fox knees
gift bag
breaking holster??

what is the actual piece distri can you tell me pls

[mint axle]

The brand with 🏔️ symbol

[hexed steppe]

Idt eagle grasp outweighs overdogs. You could easily replace punchdrunk with a regular zwai piece

[raw forge]

thanks!!

[solar sable]

I know, it was a joke

[hearty owl]

The brand set is rlly unnecessary, wouldn’t waste time farming that

[hexed steppe]

That's what I currently do. But you can replace the chainkille and gift with zwai versions and get 20% more rifle damage

[hearty owl]

Just get a chainkiller and any vigi bag

[hexed steppe]

Ty 🍻

[hearty owl]

should also put on turmoil and then solo any content in the game

[raw forge]

far from optimised, but I just need something to help me steam roll control points so I can farm my opimization blueprints. Is this good enough?

I just put shield on this bad boi and run around?

[wind snow]

i can help with control points i needed

[raw forge]

my squad is always open

[wind snow]

ok how can i join you may i ask?

[raw forge]

/join PinguSingh

put this in chat

[wind snow]

oh ok

[glad pilot]

Put 3rd pc breakping point instead of knees

Higher initial and subsequent dmg, lower max dmg

The difference is way greater for initial/subsequent, than it is at the top

And ifbpossible you should run 2pc zwiadowka (chest/backpack)

[hearty owl]

?????

I’m not even gonna bother atp

[glad pilot]

Why waddup

[thin pine]

while i grind for scorpio gun for f1 healer, what gun can i use?

[glad pilot]

Uh, grind in ur normal build whatever it may be till u get all the pieces no?

[subtle bluff]

f1 healer?

[solar sable]

formula 1 healer, oh yeah

[glad pilot]

No?

[subtle bluff]

OOPS I didn't mean to reply to you sorry

[thin pine]

i meant FI LOL

[solar sable]

tu-tu tutu!

[dapper glacier]

too much critical damage? 😭

[solar sable]

oof... the build is not great either way

[solar sable]

look, Chainkiller is not good if it's not used in a proper build like HHF, Hotshot or Rifle one-shot. Start by following the Lvl40 Starters Guide

[subtle bluff]

Anyone in game? Can someone tell me quickly what exp does for smart cover is?

[glad pilot]

The little bit of everything ahh build 🤣

[hexed steppe]

make sure youre not overcap on crit chance on the first one

right to the max and not over?

couple % is fine

but thats sometimes a point where a little more chd can be squeezed. it wont tell when its over cap

[dark pike]

Hey yall. I’m kind of new. Should I join a clan?

[stoic bramble]

No such thing as too much crit damage only too little crit hi chance. You wanna get that to at least 50%. 60% is the max

[jade tulip]

I have a really weird and subjective question. I've been updating my build catalogue using iKia's docs and I'm already done with the basics, those being a build for solo, a regulus meme, an oxi, for countdown, three striker AR reds, two yellows for healing and CC, a raid tank and two for incursions. What else would be fun?

[storm topaz]

Is this gun worth it?

[thorny crown]

i would say no , go for orroborro instead

[subtle bluff]

regulus isn't a meme....

oxi shouldn't be used for countdown, I only have 2 striker builds, two what for incursion?

[hexed steppe]

worth running as a secondary just to gain expertise passively

[jade tulip]

I mean it in an endearing way, don't worry. And apologies, I wasn't clear. I meant I have an oxi build, then a coundown one and two incursion ones.

[subtle bluff]

That post is soo much more confusing now... lol

[warm knot]

Is this ok if I don't wanna run PGC? Or should I swap salvo for foxes?

[jade tulip]

These are my builds

1. TechTank - DONE
2. Obliterator - DONE
3. Countdown - Missing 1 Protection
4. Headhunter - DONE check weapon
5. Combat Medic - DONE
6. Drone Operator - DONE
7. Red Coyote's - DONE
8. Red Overdogs - DONE
9. Red Tinkerer - missing tinkerer
10. Yellow BTSU - DONE
11. Yellow Oxidizer - DONE
12. Blue Hazpro - DONE
13. Incursion DPS - DONE
14. Incursion Healer -DONE

[thorny crown]

so ill grab u when i need hlp with orroborro farm then XD

[hexed steppe]

thatll work. you really want glass tho since the ticks will benefit even if you arent firing

[jade tulip]

I have no idea what that is.

[thorny crown]

exotic smg in paradise lost

[jade tulip]

I've only gotten back after three years and just spent my time farming things to update builds. I've never even touched incursions

[thorny crown]

then u are in for a treat its fun

[jade tulip]

Thanks, I'll look into them

[warm knot]

Aight, then I'll keep it like that. I still don't feel confident with glass.

I was just wondering if foxes is actually better than salvo

[subtle bluff]

TS and CoCo Pesti

[hexed steppe]

fox's probably are

but thats another lengmo piece to farm

[jade tulip]

What's CoCo Pestilence? And I don't know what TS is either.

Is it in iKia's docs?

[hexed steppe]

tipping scales

[warm knot]

I have it

[hexed steppe]

damn, look at you go

test it and see

[jade tulip]

Concentrated Company. Alright. I'll look into it

[gloomy star]

anyone have a build in mind they can share for the upcoming tech overdrive event

[jade tulip]

I forgot to make a Razorback build but I don't think I'll do raids again, unless they've added some new rewards to them.

[autumn totem]

Solid? (Chc/D)

[jade tulip]

I don't know if things are the same but, back then, I'd ask if this was for solo and if this took Coyote's into account.

[shy willow]

Depends on build

[autumn totem]

Striker/Overdogs/st Elmo with equalizer

Also yeah running around solo, I do also have a momento build if I need to survive

[jade tulip]

That should be good, despite me not knowing anything about St Elmo's. I know it's an AR so, applying AR logic with traditional Striker builds, sure.

If you're in a group, however, I'd consider reducing CHC and upping CHD.

You'll definitely be getting the Coyote's buff, after all.

And most engagement are mid to long range do you'll easily overcap, assuming the CHC cap is still 60%

I should farm for Elmo's. Missing that one and Tinkerer.

[flint arch]

eh, people usually lean towards overdogs nowadays, it gives stronger buffs

[shy willow]

You never really see coyote anymore

[flint arch]

it's pretty rare to see coyote users outside of countdown now

[jade tulip]

In a group setting?

[shy willow]

Always

[flint arch]

yes

[shy willow]

Overdogs are just straight up more damage

[jade tulip]

That's interesting. I thought just one person with Coyote's for the global buff on the whole group would be better than everyone with Overdogs.

I suppose Overdogs is that powerful then, despite sounding a bit painful to play with

[shy willow]

It's a 30% amp vs a small buff to chc/chd

[flint arch]

coyote is like, at most, 25% CHD in CQC, and increasing CHD has diminishing returns

[jade tulip]

True. But I was wondering if it made up for it since it's a party buff.

[flint arch]

ehh

[jade tulip]

I reckoned everyone having the crit buff would be better than an extra person with a 30% that is, sometimes, not in effect. In raids, I don't think you're always able to hit the lowest enemies

[flint arch]

indeed in a raid you can argue that overdogs doesn't work as well, but on the other hand having overdogs without procing the effect is only slightly weaker than wearing a 2nd high-end piece

[shy willow]

Coyote is only really used in raids for one shot strats

[flint arch]

so considering the theoretical downside isn't really that big, might as well use it

[flint arch]

don't one shot strats rely on HSD

[autumn totem]

After running a coyote build, momento, ninja bag..and after Weeks of grinding for overdogs and then getting/using them...all roads really do lead to overdogs

[flint arch]

coyote won't help at all in that department i stand corrected

[shy willow]

Yes and no, need to crit to proc nego

[jade tulip]

Sure, but the argument isn't between one or the other. The argument is between being in a group with a Coyote's to buff everyone else or that person using Overdogs. That's what I'm debating.

[flint arch]

oh right i forgot nego

[shy willow]

So you generally build a ton of HSD and rely on your team to proc vindictive and coyote to buff your CHC

[flint arch]

noted

[shy willow]

Although I hear some people use Diamondback nowadays so it may have changed

[jade tulip]

As for raids, they are too restrictive and goal-based

Not much freedom to pick targets.

[autumn totem]

I'm kinda thinking of pulling the chameleon back out

[flint arch]

chameleon

it's not a very consistent AR, especially considering it's not an AR at all in terms of its accuracy and range

[autumn totem]

But it go brr

[flint arch]

it goes brr indeed

i like how it looks, i just wished it was actually useful

[shy willow]

Ehh most ads are rank and file anyway

It's why overdogs is right at the top even with the stipulations of it's talent

[flint arch]

i'm not 100% sure about iron horse, but i remember in DH during razorback, the moment razorback's systems are exposed, it's possible to have zero ads present

[shy willow]

Even if you're not actively playing into it it will still be up enough to make it worth running

[flint arch]

so overdogs would still proc on razorback

[jade tulip]

I only really remember Iron Horse since it was the fun one.

[flint arch]

also, in general you need to assign a few people to clear ads anyways

overdogs still shines in those scenarios

[shy willow]

I've only got like 10 DH clears so I can't really speak on it

[jade tulip]

It's funny because I learnt to sherpa both of them but only like Iron Horse

[stiff elk]

Question maybe im dumb but shouldnt HF be giving blue shields after full health?

[hearty owl]

It does not

[jade tulip]

HF doesn't give blue shields.

That's HB. Or used to be

[hearty owl]

Could probably run adrenaline rush on that instead of coyotes and the bag

[jaunty swan]

Hi, whats the best way to farm exotic LMGs? Do I run the specific mission or run retaliations?

[jade tulip]

Countdowns and retaliations, from what I hear.

[cerulean smelt]

Retaliations if you want exotic blueprints, but you can also set your own target loot

[jade tulip]

Retaliations are a new thing to me but they do give a fair amount of loot

I've done a few to get the Overdogs and they are simple and easy. Countdown can be more stressful by the end if the team doesn't have enough damage or CC

[cerulean smelt]

nods swore i saw a video someone made about the loot drops between countdown and retaliations

[jade tulip]

I still prefer countdowns since I don't have to prepare them. Since I want to keep DC fully capped, I don't have CPs on demand to boost the bar

[dapper glacier]

is the beacon chest piece good?

[cerulean smelt]

i've tried it but couldn't find any good use out of it, although i'm mostly solo so maybe that's why?

[shy willow]

In groups it's usable for reasons I can't discuss

[gleaming zephyr]

what's the name of the pistol that increases movement speed I see everyone running?

[cerulean smelt]

good name for it Quickstep. still obtainably if you find a kind soul to share Houndsman bounty with you

[ebon lantern]

Anyone have fun LMG builds they enjoy running? Trying to expand outside of the striker set lol

[cerulean smelt]

i got one but it's not for the faint of heart. requires 3 unicorn drops which can be near impossible to obtain, then there's the tipping scales and on going directive

[cursive parcel]

better farm for a equalizer chest piece?

[gleaming zephyr]

my current "endgame" build is a bluescreen w/ coyote mask and concentrated company set and a salvo holster on gunner. it's not SUPER optimized but I'm feeling useful in heroic open world which is pretty good for me

[cerulean smelt]

unfortunately there's a saying "anything works for heroic" but as long as you're enjoying the game and the damage you do. that's all that should matter

[gleaming zephyr]

I'm still at the point where heroic feels impressive to me, but I'm also the guy who would run true patriot unmodded with a harrier pack sooooo hahaha

[cerulean smelt]

hey, if it works, it works

[hexed steppe]

want to learn a funny interaction with aok + shock traps? you may know it already as its kinda old 👴

[cerulean smelt]

waht in the holy hell did you just show us?!

[buoyant perch]

flashback to when @onyx sage was into traps

[cerulean smelt]

so much i want to ask about traps but i won't

[hexed steppe]

might be able to put those extra skilltiers to use when running gunner during the next event 😎

[lament reef]

man
coco pesti feels so good in groups

[hexed steppe]

im gonna miss this event. the ep burn ticks have been phenomenal

[cerulean smelt]

eh, it'll be back in 2 weeks you know?

[hexed steppe]

i dont follow that close. but good, ill be ready

[cerulean smelt]

all month it goes ambush, assault, ambush, assault

[subtle bluff]

It's silllly

Hence challenging myself on Leggo with EP...

[cerulean smelt]

you make it past first room?

[subtle bluff]

Chunga is hard

EP isn't good against chopper spawns

[cerulean smelt]

not like the oxi is it

[subtle bluff]

ya...

can't stack..

[ebon lantern]

Will check this out

[gleaming zephyr]

one other build I got that works great IF you have good aim and a properly setup rifle for it, the Breaking Point set can MELT!! I got a UIC15 with a 60 round mag (lucky shot) so it's perfect for getting insane burst phases

[livid sorrel]

kid named headhunter determined

[hexed steppe]

de ter mined 🤮

[hexed steppe]

you would get some good traction out of either of those setups if you were able to utilize overdogs. i know coco for sure could benefit

breaking doesnt use chest or bag tho, does it

[livid sorrel]

i don't see much builds with it

[hexed steppe]

with what

[livid sorrel]

breaking point builds i mean
the backpack gives more wd so it probably uses that

[shy willow]

mostly just hotshots cousin for rifles

[hexed steppe]

oic. yeah idk either. i utilize the 2pc , thats it

[subtle bluff]

Anyone have an idea what max duration Skill Mod for Smart Cover is?

[shy willow]

just used for them sweet stats

[gleaming zephyr]

I'm using both chest and backpack w/ coyote's but I'm not super good at optimizing

[hexed steppe]

if you have overdogs check them out for a mission or 2. its a free 30% amp for a lot of npcs with no real drawbacks

stronger than coyote

[gleaming zephyr]

and I don't have overdogs yet but I need them

countdown + glove targeted loot right?

[hexed steppe]

yeah you do. hyena retaliation completion reward can offer the blueprint

yeah, anywhere with glove target loot

[gloomy star]

anyone have a build in mind they can share for the upcoming tech overdrive event

[cerulean smelt]

the tech overdrive is free skill tiers and skill attributes. there's really no specific build for it unless you want to go some odd hybrid weapon/skill build

can run tech tank if you want on a striker build and it'd just work especialy if you use the artificer hive with shield

use a weapon with future perfection or future perfect you can overcharge the artificer + have your shield temporarily invulnerable

[smoky latch]

Time for some hybrid builds to shine during that event

[cerulean smelt]

then all youtubers showing half baked builds to run 😹

[livid sorrel]

A capacitor build with 3 reds might work

[cerulean smelt]

nah this would be better than capacitor

[smoky latch]

Many ways to build sth useful

[cerulean smelt]

#td2-build-advice message

you'll overcharge your skills every what 20ish seconds for the cool down?

sure the talent says 3 skill tiers max, but for whatever reason you get your 4th kill at 3 skill tiers you hit that overcharge

[smoky latch]

What weapon has Perfect Future Perfect again? Was it that SIG AR?

[cerulean smelt]

Mechanical Animal

[smoky latch]

Forgot the name

Yes, thank you

[livid sorrel]

I think the overcharge effect just needs a kill at 6 total skill tiers, doesn't care if you get 3 of them from itself

[cerulean smelt]

run technican with the artificer. use the one shield that lets you use primary weapons. you'll probaby rarely go down if nothing shoots from the side or back of you or beams your heads 😹

[cerulean smelt]

nods yeah, i was under the impression i had to run 4 skill tiers to get that overcharge for the 3 kill skill tier increase. 3rd pushing me into overdrive. someone here, maybe localdeck, educated me on how it actually works. i didn't believe them until i tried it and was 🤯

[gloomy star]

for refactor is it better to use the sacrifice or the impetus chest ? about to make a build debating if i should do the chc/chd or just pure skill dmg/haste

[smoky latch]

Kinetic Moment is awesome too.
Here is another RF version

[cerulean smelt]

is the perfect one noticably stronger?

[smoky latch]

I have not played with it, was fully busy with the 5x XP event

[cerulean smelt]

ah, what i tried, it felt stronger but it could've just been the capacitor stacks mostly 😹

[smoky latch]

I'm not yet sure what backpack I would run with the Wyvern chest

Memento was my first thought but I will try other things too

[cerulean smelt]

why not memento?

[wispy hollow]

You going for hybrid or pure skill ?

[smoky latch]

Hybrid

[vernal wing]

Honestly, what I’ve liked best so far is running technician with Overdogs. The bonus shield from the refactor backpack is pretty nice for survivability.

[wispy hollow]

HanaU named backpack is still good. Named Wyvern chest is doing better than regular Hanau kinetic momentum

[smoky latch]

Thx to @cerulean smelt for the idea

[cerulean smelt]

show off 😹

[wispy hollow]

Isnt that only 3 skill tiers ? Is that worth it

[smoky latch]

It's usually 6 but I re-rolled the cores as prep for the event starting in a few hours

[cerulean smelt]

still looking for my 2 pieces 😹

[smoky latch]

+3 skill tiers

Makes 6 overall during the event

[wispy hollow]

aah so only worthwhile during this event

[smoky latch]

No. It's doing decent if I use Technician spec and roll two cores to Utility again

[gloomy star]

will the capacitor do more damage with those extra 3 if you already got 6 ? might go 3 red core refactor 3 skill

[smoky latch]

No, 6 skill tiers is max

[cerulean smelt]

probably max 6 skill tiers that's not mentioned in the talent maybe?

[smoky latch]

There is a mechanic called Overcharge that goes beyond 6 skill tiers for a short time but that only affects your skills

[cerulean smelt]

i've read people say that capacitor stacks mimics that no?

[smoky latch]

Wdym now?

Capacitor can have 40 stacks on top of the gear buffs but it won't be affected by the three additional skill tiers AFAIK

However I can't say that with 100% certainty yet. We will see in a few hours

[cerulean smelt]

swore i read someone say that the full capacitor stacks makes your skills hit like they're overcharged or some 💩

[smoky latch]

Oh that, IDK if the damage is comparable

[cerulean smelt]

but when i've used it i haven't seen that damage so i'm kind of like eh?

far as i know, they could've been using it for this event and didn't realize it was active and saw "OMG my skills are hitting much harder!"

[smoky latch]

Let's find out soon

[cerulean smelt]

things died pretty quickly when i had that stack, had a hell of a time getting skill kills while stationary bit 😹

[storm magnet]

Don’t really have a build. Was hoping for some help to find out how to get some good guns and how to build em? Haven’t played in a long time so kinda a noob

[smoky latch]

What build are you looking for?

[livid sorrel]

What guns do you use? What's your playstyle? please don't say tank please don't say tank

[cerulean pivot]

Tank 🤣

[storm magnet]

I’m not really sure. Mainly marksman rifles and assault rifles? Smg’s and shotguns? I use the sniper specialist if that helps have it maxed

[pliant pelican]

Trying out a new build. is there anything specific that's needed or am i good to go? (just fully optimized the whole thing)

[livid sorrel]

damn formatting fail but anyway

You can go for a headshot build with chainkiller

[storm magnet]

I mean I do find myself aiming for heads to kill faster

Let’s just say assault rifles and smg. I see lmg is meta now tho? Man idk

[hearty owl]

Don’t run determined and we will accept you

[solar sable]

Lvl40 Starters Guide

[livid sorrel]

Striker is the meta for those guns

[storm magnet]

So assault and smg I should farm striker? Is it good? Like a lot of YouTube videos like millions of armor and dmg?

[livid sorrel]

Youtube is full of clickbait builds but striker is the best build for those

[solar sable]

please avoid build advice from YT

[livid sorrel]

unless theyre named ikia

[cerulean smelt]

um sure, if you like shoot spit wads at things then come ask us how ot make your guns do more damage

[livid sorrel]

ISAC send the clip of 3 tanks dying

[hearty owl]

iKia dropping another 40 min video explaining how to do addition and multiplication no thanks

[livid sorrel]

i dont even watch the videos i just check the spreadsheets lmao

[storm magnet]

Ok got the gear targeted. I have a couple exotics but they seem to not be doing a lot of damage. Do I just recalibrate them at the bench?

[solar sable]

@storm magnet read the guide I sent, it resumes and answers lots of questions you may have

[storm magnet]

OH! Ok I will sorry

[solar sable]

if you are already sorry for pushing it

[cerulean smelt]

@smoky latch think this could be fun in tech overdrive?

6 bulwark shield, 5 skill tier artificer? 🤔

[solar sable]

oh no, Im not being rude, just saving you time

[cerulean smelt]

i can see it now. no please delete that build immediately

[smoky latch]

Thicc shield, why not. My Tempest build is a little different

[cerulean smelt]

oh?

[smoky latch]

Hang on let me find the as here

[smoky latch]

#td2-build-advice message

With that event I'd also switch to Technician and Artificer

Roll the Armor cores to Utility possibly

And go GC

I'd have to test for a sweet spot

[cerulean smelt]

my initial idea was striker 😹

[thin pine]

are there ideally different builds for legendary content? like you die so fast, should you run more health/armor??

[toxic frigate]

just dont get hit tbf

[cerulean smelt]

believe it's more knowledge than anything

[solar sable]

tbh, Armor and Health stats are shit
DMG is king in Legendary and certainly in general

[livid sorrel]

just get a healer lol

[smoky latch]

I hate the ramp up for this build but it works

[cerulean smelt]

same

[livid sorrel]

3 tanks dying in legendary.mp4

[solar sable]

that's impossible to wipe my armor like that

[cerulean smelt]

wasn't it a .exe?

[smoky latch]

#td2-build-advice message

[storm magnet]

Elmo’s engine the way to go? Striker set also doesn’t effect smg does it?

[livid sorrel]

It affects any weapon as long as you have the stacks

[cerulean smelt]

and usually some kind of fast ROF

[storm magnet]

Which smg’s are good at lol fast rof

[cerulean smelt]

shotguns stacks faster 😹

[livid sorrel]

ACS12 specifically

[storm magnet]

Soooo Elmo’s engine and a shotgun then?

[cerulean smelt]

especially everyone's bugged stack broker 😹

[livid sorrel]

Proud owner of a first wave unbugged stack broker here

[shy willow]

samesies

[livid sorrel]

You want an ACS12 for the shotgun but yeah

[shy willow]

still got sledge

[cerulean smelt]

got that too plus rnr

🤔 can you imagine if they gave us an exotic acs12 the talent is a combo of measured and pummel?

[livid sorrel]

I'd be happy with just measured on an acs12

[cerulean smelt]

what about frenzied?

[livid sorrel]

Oh lord

Actually wait that wouldn't work as well since frenzy is based on mag size

Talents on a weapon type that normally can't have it would be a cool idea for nameds tbh

[slate wedge]

they already did that with the Huntsman

[cerulean smelt]

think they're aware and just thinking more named weapons with frenzied

[sharp folio]

I honestly dunno what to get now that I got FI healer build

[slate wedge]

HHF?

[sharp folio]

I forgot what's that...

[solar sable]

headfunter hury

[slate wedge]

Headhunter’s Fury

[sharp folio]

Ah

[buoyant perch]

Oh it's fun alright

[slate wedge]

4 pieces Hunter’s Fury all on HSD, Headhunter Chest and Vigi Backpack/Backbone/Memento

[toxic frigate]

wait stackbroker is the acs with modified damage right?

[sharp folio]

Oh I see what you guys meant by headhunter's fury now 😭

[cerulean smelt]

believe so?

[buoyant perch]

-20% base damage

[sharp folio]

Is there a specific build in the spreadsheet for that?

[toxic frigate]

is it always vindictive or you can change the talent?

[slate wedge]

yeah, run it with M870 with Brazen, Thorn and Regulus and you’re golden

[cerulean smelt]

probably with a few variations. one even using regulus

[solar sable]

one sec

[smoky latch]

Yes one is in the spreadsheet

[cerulean smelt]

i seriously need to save mrchows 50 milion healing chem launcher gif 😹

[solar sable]

@sharp folio

[sharp folio]

LMAO

[buoyant perch]

No wonder you never finish the starter guide

[sharp folio]

Whre did you get these?

[solar sable]

we use Streamline with HHF on White Death tho

[cerulean smelt]

he's also been helping peeps get the pistol

[solar sable]

oh come on 😭

[smoky latch]

From his magic hat after he pulled a bunny out. The HF one is in the spreadsheet

[solar sable]

I have them saved in my personal server, I took them from the goats

[sharp folio]

Looks slightly differently than the one he sent

[swift raft]

Yo I need that pistol too 🥀

[solar sable]

slightly outdated

different variant too

[smoky latch]

You can adjust to your liking OFC. Can also use a Harvest pistol with Determined

[toxic frigate]

why the hell my stack broker talent cant be changed

[smoky latch]

Known bug and the devs are aware

[sharp folio]

Is there any other build I should be building that isn't hotshot?

[toxic frigate]

ah

[cerulean smelt]

@solar sable i'm tempted to make that but ninja and 3 pc imminence 😹 just to annoy people "WHY NINJA?!" why not?

[toxic frigate]

striker

[solar sable]

omg 🥴

[sharp folio]

Just throw a (ninja)bike at them

[swift raft]

Foundry

[smoky latch]

If you keep responding to messages here you're running out of time for the rest of the event :p

[sharp folio]

B-But... I-I don't want to build a foundry build from a youtube guide 🤣

[solar sable]

shit youre right
shit im doing it again

[cerulean smelt]

at this point @solar sable dgaf

he's probably 600ish?

[swift raft]

Ask ppl here then but I liked foundry gameplay myself

[solar sable]

just hit 700

[cerulean smelt]

last your 300 levels

[solar sable]

ts has me nervous

[cerulean smelt]

oof

now i log in and tackle the assault 💩

[subtle bluff]

AH SHIT I FORGOT TO UPDATE IT

[cerulean smelt]

troll! thought the deactivating as for the GE ending 😹

[cerulean smelt]

it's beautiful!

have you tried that build with overdogs?

[subtle bluff]

That's what I'm saying I need to update it in general

But I can't use Overdogs

[swift raft]

Whattttt

[hazy steeple]

Chow is just too overdogs.

[cerulean smelt]

you see nothing 😹

[smoky latch]

Because of DCH I guess

[swift raft]

How’d that do 50M!

[cerulean smelt]

that is a good question, think if mrchow explained it. we'd see several wall of texts

[solar sable]

meth

[swift raft]

@subtle bluff please sir

[cerulean smelt]

i love when people argue with him about maths and he just presents this. explain this to us please

[subtle bluff]

The point is learning the game.

There no actually good reason to do this.

[magic pilot]

Honestly it's a really good way to figure out if someone is ACTUALLY knowledgeable about division 2 and the way it works and the "science" behind it

[cerulean smelt]

i forget who he was trying to educate but they kept pushing. so chow did this gif. explain. they just ignored it and kept arguing 😹 think chow just walked away eventually from the oblivious person

[subtle bluff]

this is the result

[cerulean smelt]

far as i can see. he's got full headhunter stacks, dodge city holster and vigilence but it's probably a specific build

[subtle bluff]

It's not a special build

[cerulean smelt]

not saying special just a specific

[subtle bluff]

oh... I can read...

[swift raft]

366M 💀

[cerulean smelt]

yes, we all kow tow when mrchow makes an enterance 😹

[solar sable]

impossible, a div2 player cant read

[cerulean smelt]

or lord and savior average player abandoned us

[swift raft]

He’s cheating 🤣 unless he tells us how to do it

[smoky latch]

Achilles pulse, Striker's fully stacked with Chest, DCH, Firewall spec for shield - but I'm missing sth

[cerulean smelt]

overcahrged achilles pulse

[smoky latch]

I mean he's buffed by Coyote's, Overcharge and Ground Control, Survivalist spec and sth else

[cerulean smelt]

i didn't see 2nd coyotes at first, but i see the same thing

[smoky latch]

I was wrong, I had to make it really big - it's overcharge

[cerulean smelt]

i had to make it big to see the firewall shield honestly. i was like that doesn't look like it. then i saw the cone and was like oh

OH! OD bullets too

[sharp folio]

What does zone health do for achilles pulse anyway?

[cerulean smelt]

Think if you're not one shotting it, just have more bullets doing headshot damage until all that health zone is used up