td2-build-advice

[astral kraken]

actually now i wanna do this. i want you to dazzle me with your tank skills.

let's do master pact

i'll even record it for posterity

[gloomy spruce]

I am assuming master pact with no modifiers? You really like to subject people to hell, don't you?

[astral kraken]

no modifiers yea

[subtle bluff]

It's dumb. This the reason the blue guy has blocked me. When I've debated this with him like over a year ago.

[dreamy valve]

We’ll set up a game sometime together for a master climax or retaliation run just for fun. You don’t usually react to me in the sort of a lack of adroit tone compared to some users here, so I’ll ignore it.

[subtle bluff]

He can do I know but it's not just a blue and a playstyle.
I know I probably can do it but just hate it.

I'm on your boat kes

[astral kraken]

i've mm'd with a lot of tank players before. running pfe in master pact is super common and you know i love to matchmake. i know how it's gonna play out.

best case scenario it'll feel like a solo run but if i go down someone can pick me up

[subtle bluff]

I am gonna say just like I mentioned above. It's not just a build that makes it work. There a levels to this game.

[astral kraken]

the difference between 1 player and 2 player elites is like 4 million hp

[subtle bluff]

When I used to support more and take different friend groups into leggo I learned that some groups need different kinds of support sometimes

[astral kraken]

yea that's true

[subtle bluff]

These are groups not RMM. But some RMM can be the same.

[dreamy valve]

I’ve been here for 6 years, and never talked down to people or commented in a negative way in regards to any build posts or advice here and I’m not going to start now just because it’s now generally accepted. Reminder is that Division 2 is also a videogame and sometimes you can take a little break from it before you get too wrapped up in it.

[subtle bluff]

But I've done a ton of leggo on my Tech Tank.
But like I've always said. A good build or player is one that can effect the battlefield.

[astral kraken]

Your "reminder" sounds quite negative to me. You're implying that if someone disagrees with blue builds being useful they're too "wrapped up" in it.

That message reads like: I'm a nice guy, I don't say negative things. Followed by a passive aggressive jab.

[subtle bluff]

I like to say: I have a unhealth passion for helping others. But be too honest.

[dreamy valve]

I think your initial response that started it all created this off topic responses and I’m just pointing that out to not be too hyper fixated on a your way or the highway mentality. It’s why I’m coming in here less and less, but I think I’m making the right choice.

This discussion won’t go anywhere since we both have different playstyles and how to approach the game, so I’m just going to stop being off topic

[astral kraken]

Just because someone disagrees with blue builds being useful doesn't mean that they have a "my or the highway" mentality. Division 2 has a lot of build diversity. There are builds that I personally don't like and would prefer not be on the team - but it's fine because you can work with them.

I do more legendary matchmaking than most b/c I enjoy the variety. It makes every mission feel different when people show up with unpredictable builds. So I've seen it all at this point with regard to builds and playstyles.

My issue with 6pc blue players (in matchmaking) is it's selfish. Most of the blue players I come across always (or almost always) play that build. It doesn't matter what the team needs or what encounter we're doing. Almost always blue. And I can't think of a single mission/encounter/whatever where the team wouldn't have a better run if someone ran DPS, CC, hybrid support, or even healer (FI or refactor).

So the result is that the content is harder for everyone because the blue player likes their playstyle.

Here's an analogy: imagine a weekend pickup basketball game at a public park. Everyone that shows up can play. One dude shows up wearing a suit and dress shoes. Whoever gets that person on their team is probably going to lose. Sure, it's just a game. But it's still annoying to the people on that team.

BTW don't forget that it's not always just one blue player. Sometimes it's 2 blue players. Or 3 blue players. Imagine being the only DPS on a team with 3 6pc blue players. It's a huge pain.

[magic pilot]

Where's that clip of 3 tank players dying in dua

[smoky latch]

Sheesh 3 tanks 1 dps

[smoky latch]

^ I love this so much

[sharp folio]

I love how I can drop quick step in 3 cases of the day but not lexington

[solar sable]

that is impossible to wipe my armor like that, impossible 😠

[thick meteor]

Is a full red core good for heroic?

[astral kraken]

Yea. If you're struggling with it you can add 1-2 blues and just remove them as you get more comfortable.

(but only if you're using a shield since blues won't do much for you without a shield)

[dreamy valve]

This assumption with me is that I’m always playing a tank build, which is inherently false, as I always switch it up even between missions to approach the content in how I want to. Even in higher difficulty content, I couldn’t care less what other players are using, and that’s never stopped me from completing missions or other content. You don’t like being inconvenienced for your time when playing the game because of suboptimal approaches when playing with others, but I myself don’t have that issue, never have when playing with others in multiplayer games, especially randoms. I’ve also seen every type of build configuration out there, but it’s never stopped me from ever enjoying playing this game online.

[gloomy spruce]

What kind of red build are you wanting to make? AR, SMG, LMG, Shotgun, Rifle, Marksman?

Run and gun, stand back and fight at mid to long range, sniping?

[thick meteor]

I am running a striker build with memento, 2 blues

[thick meteor]

I run and gun alot, since i forget this game is a cover shooter lol, and I use EB and stackbroker

[gloomy spruce]

Striker, EB, Stackbroaker with memento is an aggressive combo.

Have you tried Crit hunter's fury?

[astral kraken]

I feel the same way. It's why I matchmake legendary so much whereas most of my buddies think I'm crazy and generally only play with premade groups.

But I still try to run effective builds. The best feeling for me is when we finish the mission and someone says "wow, was that legendary?" and laughs. It just feels rude to join a group for difficult content and make it harder for everyone else. I know you believe you're making things easier. And that's where we disagree 🙂

[thick meteor]

Not yet, havent grinded for that build

[gloomy spruce]

That is fine. The build you mentioned, what is the specialization? Gunner?

[thick meteor]

Yep

[gloomy spruce]

Sounds like you are more than ready for most of heroic.

[astral kraken]

EB is kinda mid for PvE

[thick meteor]

I havent touched it in a while, im mostly on challenging because I remember the first time I was on heroic

[gloomy spruce]

On a run and gun build, it is surprising decent.

[thick meteor]

Hey man, I grinded for it in the christmas event, and usually hoped it dropped

[astral kraken]

Like HF?

[thick meteor]

I dont mind lost dps, I just like having to use something that took ages to get for

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah, crit hf. Not the HHF.

[astral kraken]

I never tried it with HF... I'll give it a shot. I have a crit HF ready to go.

[gloomy spruce]

You run, blast, get tenacity from point blank headshot kills.

NPC's stagger. Rinse repeat.

Great for heroic. Not really good for lego.

I don't even bother with a shield. Just banshee pulse.

[thick meteor]

I run a drone with my build, is that good or no? I usually forget I have a usable ability sometimes lmao

[dreamy valve]

With your basketball analogy, I would transfer that to what I also enjoy doing, which is play a tabletop wargame called Battletech. The players in my store bring in all kinds of mechs for their character to use in misssions, but we all respect each other’s decisions and not tell people what to use in our pve campaign. I think I have been using that same mentality when playing Division 2, since I tend to play tanky and slow robots but everyone else likes to go in with pure dps and my gaming store group is very accepting and kind enough to not be sweatlords about everything.

[subtle bluff]

Have you tried a weapon with a killer on it?

[thick meteor]

Yep, a lexington from the christmas event

[subtle bluff]

I played a ton of OG Battletech! Like 25 years ago! Ahhh good snake eyes all the pilots.... Crap... That's a long time ago.
I hear ya. Everyone has a style that suits them. Which should be a thing in most games. Div2 decided to flip that. It's doable but requires a lot.

@thick meteor like mentioned above. Try out HF but with Chameleon!

Sounds wierd but super powerful.

[gloomy spruce]

I am guessing healer drone? Sadly, it is too inconsistent for me. I just like to abuse the surpise mechanic in the game and just pounce in most engagements. I leveled up the proficiency with the EB doing open world with the EB, full red Crit HF, an SMG(I would recommend a dark winter if you got it), gunner specialization and banshee pulse. The HF backpack is underrated, but the range it grants on the HF stagger is worth it in my mind.

A couple of great missions for this type of close range style are American History and Federal Emergency Bunker. Close quarters with lots of opportunities to corner and pounce most foes.

Memento is also good tho.

[thick meteor]

Striker drone, and I will test the build out when I get the chance

[gloomy spruce]

@astral kraken note that I am talking about heroic and not the misery abyss that is lego.

[subtle bluff]

Let me show you something. Much less about the build at point and gameplay. @thick meteor

[astral kraken]

That's honestly great man. But when we make recommendations here we tend to focus on what's most effective. That way we help people understand what's strong, what's weak, etc. Then they can decide if they want to use a weaker build because that's what fun for them.

[dreamy valve]

I think where we differ is how the advice is handled, based on our own personal experiences with the game. There are also variables in how a player would use what would be considered the most optimal build, but end up either frustrated with it or not liking it completely. I don’t have an issue with others giving their own advice here, it’s the fact that we should have a more open minded approach on who gives it, and let the player decide and experiment to see which builds they would prefer based on the people who have the advice on, as the choice is ultimately up to them in the end. As a new player, I started out very rigidly in what others have told me to use, but over the course of the games lifespan, I’ve found my own footing and just wanted to share what I feel to be useful builds to use. The issue is always the constant head butting from certain other users who feel builds should always just be played a certain was in a specific setup. No one has a monopoly on “good” advice, as it’s just what it entails, just advice.

[thick meteor]

Gah damn, thats pretty cool

My build isnt so mi maxed tho lol

[subtle bluff]

It's nothing crazy special just trying to show limits of what a good build can do with good game knowledge and gamepkay.

I am not taking cover but using cover (aka LoS)

[astral kraken]

I genuinely do not see that here. If something is objectively low effectiveness then people will say that. Not doing so would just be misleading people. I see so many diverse recommendations here without pushback: striker (duh), hunter's fury, tipping scales, memento hybrids, fi/refactor healers, mortars, etc, etc.

People will push back on things like hazpro backfire, ninja bag, and all blue because they're just not an effective way to clear content. People can decide to run that stuff (believe me they do) but at least we've told them it's not effective compared to alternatives.

[astral kraken]

instructions unclear

[dreamy valve]

I have no problem with them being advised about a build that might not work out for them, but it also needs to be done in a more tactful way, like a more cordial response even though we are all anonymous here for the most part. But, I will also continue to give out my own builds to other users here, if maybe you can give me some benefit of the doubt since I’m more known here at least

I’ve done Division 1 survive fest solo and completed the rewards within 2 days as a new player who never touched the mode or game, so you can at least give me some leeway as a mildly competent player

[astral kraken]

All good man. No one's stopping you from giving recs. It's an open space after all. But expect passionate pushback when you recommend 6 blues for general play.

[dreamy valve]

Well, I’ll probably have to specify which content a build I use to be recommended then, as even I know to adapt to certain content that I have had experience in. If there’s still pushback even after that, I’ll just ignore it from now on since it will end up being off topic with me anyways.

And for some reason it’s only this game that I’ve experienced this. I’ve played a ton of multiplayer games both digital and tabletop with their own build channels, and very weirdly, the vibe here is still more elitist in a sense.

[sharp folio]

How good is eagle bearer?

[astral kraken]

Moving discussion here: #td2-general-chat message

[solar sable]

as good as a paper weight

[tranquil wave]

Debatable for me personally, seems with full red build it works pretty well and stands out with it's damage, there are alternatives but EB seems to be strong pick as for now too compared to Elmo's and other guns

[subtle bluff]

Good in what capacity?

[sharp folio]

General use/incursions or legendary missions

[tranquil wave]

As long you can hit headshots from far/close away, the stacks imo is the thing that makes EB op since if you land those headshots, the damage it gives as extra is well worth it

makes heroic enemies like a bubble to shoot

as far as PvE goes for me, as for PvP, there are better weapons fs

[subtle bluff]

EB Damage overall isn't good enough for incursion and legendary.

[worn imp]

Yo when new content to this game?

[smoky latch]

Ask the magic 8-ball

[subtle bluff]

When the season ends.

[smoky latch]

Survivors seems to be the next big update

[worn imp]

you think they are gonna add snow to the world outside of survivors?

[smoky latch]

There is not much info on it. Guess not

[thick meteor]

Is the lexington with killer good for a memento striker?

Might switch to it after using the eb for a bir

[smoky latch]

Better choice over the EB imo

[solar sable]

WAY better than EB

[thick meteor]

Alright then, any exotic to recommeneded as my secondary?

[solar sable]

exotics are not always needed nor BiS for every build

[thick meteor]

Ah, alright...

-# what does BiS mean

[solar sable]

Best in Slot

would run m870/ACS-12 with Brazen or SMG-9 with Measured

[thick meteor]

Ah, alright...

[thick meteor]

I run a stackbroker, that's good right?

[solar sable]

it ain't that better than a normal acs, but yeah

[thick meteor]

Alright, time to extract a brazen for be trait

The*

[thick meteor]

Would perfect brazen be good as well?

[strong cave]

Not exactly due to the fact you don't get good mod choices on the guns it drops on

[meager fog]

When you're running striker the shotgun is really only there for fast stacks (each pellet adds one stack so max 8 stacks per shot)

Its more a utility piece.

Not 100% necessary unless you're using Striker chest tbh

But if you are using it, you want a talent like "fast hands" to keep you firing since shotgun reloads are poor

[tranquil wave]

Is EB nerfed that people dislike so much?

[meager fog]

It was nerfed a while ago

[strong cave]

People still complain about the initial nerf in 2019 I hear so much about

[tranquil wave]

Oh, well i got it too late to feel the comparison

Fair enough

[strong cave]

The gun isn't inherently bad. It's not that they're complaining, it's just that there's so many other weapons that deal way more damage or have way better utility usage

I prefer EB > Elmo's but my actual use case is Elmo's > EB

It's a great solo weapon for going sicko mode and chainkilling after 1 headshot. It's trash in groups because you'll at most pop off 1 headshot kill and maybe 1 other kill before you die from taking too much damage. Hence, Elmo's would be the best all round choice

sadly

[honest helm]

Personally it's one of my favorite ARs to this day.

[tranquil wave]

Fair take guys, for me it's a in S tier AR list still due to it's talents but as mentioned above, there are better choices for specific content ig.

[honest helm]

Since I'm mostly solo I use it most and definitely it's my main in DZ. However it's hard to beat Elmo's in groups.

[tranquil wave]

Ouroboros is outclassed at today? Haven't seen any real users of it in pve and pvp anymore

[strong cave]

I love the gun so much but with the health scaling in groups, I'd rather take Elmo's for sustained DPS and have a whole 10 extra bullets and shock ammo. EB won't be doing much so taking a high end AR with a damage talent or St Elmo's would overall better benefit the team and the builds user

[honest helm]

It's pretty good at Tank Builds. The problem to me is the fact you have to reload it so often.

[strong cave]

That's because SMGs got tanked, making the already struggling SMG meta in PVP be completely wiped

It still does work, don't mistake it, but it's just not worth taking an SMG anymore

[honest helm]

I just need to reget my Scorpio so I can go back to maining it. I just love status effect nonsense.

[strong cave]

It's a fun gun but it sucks Scorpio and status effects do not scale

Only off of x number of pellets hit

[tranquil wave]

Ah tried using it in Conflict, with Umbra it still shreds since Umbra is still top tier choice for it but the talent off EB just gives a little notch of extra survivability. In open-world it still performs good, mixing sets with it to get highest dmg potential, still hitting 1.6-2.2 mil crits if i get my stacks high enough. Of course the event adds extra damage so it'll falloff soon enough

[strong cave]

Yeah I want to give conflict a try since the boost events apply in everything. Even descent. Anyways, if players have tried it and PvP is pure cancer, @ me rn

I've stopped playing due to how bad the pvp has gotten. I dearly miss it

[tranquil wave]

In EU i haven't met that many cheaters but they exist everywhere so, takes time to find them but i get your point. PvP is highly dead

[strong cave]

I'm US East and it's basically guaranteed every game. I'm seeing guys I've been hacked on by years ago and they're STILL running around cheating

Only thing that's changed is they're under a different name

[honest helm]

My friend likes it in regen PvP builds

[tranquil wave]

It's so easy to counter them nowdays it's fun honestly

[honest helm]

I'll just be in countdown for the next week to get my beloved Scorpio my tired brain deleted the one I had thinking it was a copy

[tranquil wave]

Same this morning when i was sorting my stash out, i figured out i deleted my Ninjabike BP with expertise

Live and learn i guess

[native plume]

could always get another plus the expertise on armor doesnt rly make a diffrence anyways

[tranquil wave]

Sure, Regulus builds onetap your whole armour anyways

At this rate just going with full 6 red cores helps more than having it

[honest helm]

I gotta make a regulus build for memes after I get my 2 Scorpio builds lol

[tranquil wave]

Regulus op if you land those constant headshots and don't get EMP pulsed every 20 seconds

[honest helm]

I'm horrible with marksman rifles but better with everything else.

[gloomy spruce]

Or you could just be some crazy super powered player and just use it to curb stomp DUA Lego like a maniac

🤦‍♂️

[strong cave]

I've got another Scorpio build just for you

[strong cave]

@astral kraken us last night right? 🤣

I told you that decoy build works

[honest helm]

Sure sent it over I'll save it

[strong cave]

Scorpio Vanguard

You can play incredibly aggressive if played properly

it's not meant for damage, it's just meant to take aggro

[honest helm]

Ah a walking status tank. I can dig it.

[strong cave]

AND you provide your teammates up to I think 85-95% of your armor as bonus armor to them (and you, if in countdown)

[honest helm]

I'll add this one in.

[strong cave]

You won't get the 50 from vanguard but you will get it from Galvanized. It'll help your regen

On countdown you'll get both 50 from vanguard and the galvanized boost. Due to 2 sub groups

So at full proc it'd nearly 4 million armor

[honest helm]

I was gonna do a version of one of these but solo for it.

[strong cave]

Only good on maybe challenging and lower. Speedrun build

I have one for heroic groups

[honest helm]

I mostly play challenge solo and heroic for other things

When it comes to heroic or higher this is the plan

[strong cave]

This is also good but replace FI with Eclipse and run status. Change healer hive to stinger and heal chem to foam

[honest helm]

Thats what I was thinking, when feeling unconfident changing the hive or foam to heal or reviver.

Also changing the specialization off survivalist to tech or flamer

[strong cave]

Tech would be fine if you had a blue core setup backpack. The skill proximity cage is a good bonus in groups

[tranquil wave]

Someone has disrupt EMP build for PvP?

[honest helm]

So FI for Support, EP for Damage Dealer basically.

[strong cave]

Vile, 2 wyvern, 3 China . Glass cannon chest and creeping death backpack

[strong cave]

It's a "depends on the group" scenario

[tranquil wave]

Jammer and EMP sticky?

[strong cave]

Jammer and fire sticky

[tranquil wave]

Much appreciated

[honest helm]

I see.

[strong cave]

You could easily do jammer and mortar

[tranquil wave]

Time to annoy sweats in pvp lol

[tranquil wave]

attributes haste and repair?

[strong cave]

Skill damage / status effects

[tranquil wave]

i need to find a skill build that's supportive and annoying cuz emp is f-ing annoying to play against

[strong cave]

If you wanted to be an ultra prick take 4 piece hard wired and run a stinger hive and EMP jammer. Vile mask and probably electrique piece

[strong cave]

Hazpro: 🤣 what status?

[tranquil wave]

don't meet to many of those in conflict, either way teammates are running dps so

im staying back and spamming emp on them

[strong cave]

You must have some really dumb conflict players then I wish I had your lobbies

[tranquil wave]

well ive ran measured last match, they adapted with their emp canceling builds xD

[strong cave]

See if that was me I would just pull out my umbra Hazpro and gun them down and not worry about status at all

[tranquil wave]

well im getting matched with either onetap regulus builders or umbras all the way aswell in enemy/my own team

it really depends what you get matched against tbh

[strong cave]

Umbra hazpro + ninja bike + ceska hazpro /crit dmg + yaahl crit + hazpro

[tranquil wave]

some are smart and adapt with their builds, some are lazy enough not to bring several sets to pvp so they can't swap around lol

[tranquil wave]

skill damage + status on 4x hard wired, vile and eleq? not haste n repair for faster spam?

[strong cave]

I mean you can go haste for spam easily

But you want skill damage / status for 3 China 2 wyvern and vile

[tranquil wave]

like haste and status perhaps? since im not a mortar guy at all

well im going with hard wired so i wanna see whats the best for annoying emp spam

[strong cave]

Haste would be best

[tranquil wave]

oke

[strong cave]

I'd say haste and use stinger hive. You can easily get back stinger

So skills being EMP pulse + Stinger hive

[edgy hollow]

Saw this two builds here and u would like to try them how. How necessary is glass cannon?

I have both chest pieces with obliterate. Which one of the two would have a higher dps potential?

[buoyant perch]

Glass definitely

[strong cave]

glass is more. that second screenshot is actually mine

i just went the oblit route because I went purely for crits

[edgy hollow]

Yeah I have all the pieces you have. I’m curious to try it out. I don’t have glass sadly

[strong cave]

its really good. i recommend it. even with 2 or 3 blue cores its not bad

[edgy hollow]

I assume CHC on the pesti?

[strong cave]

yes

its a must. pestilence has zero crit mods

[subtle bluff]

Foxes is better than the Petrov pcs btw

There is good guide if you saw for it

[edgy hollow]

Is it in the build guide?

[subtle bluff]

Yes in the build hub.

[astral kraken]

yea I think I recorded it. I’ll show my pov.

[strong cave]

hell yeah

[sharp folio]

Is this a good roll on my lexington?

[solar sable]

put Killer on it

[sharp folio]

👍

Done

I've gotten like 4-5 quick steps while getting that lexington lol

[solar sable]

one for every character, nice

[hazy steeple]

Put swap-speed on them just to flex.

[slow gazelle]

Is DTTOOC still what I'd want on weapons I use for skill builds?

[solar sable]

skill builds are meant to be for skills, not for weapons
All weapons should have DTOC, yes

[honest helm]

Scorpio reacquired woo now to work on builds

[hexed steppe]

If you do emp spam with stinger hive as feedback loop proc, then add btsu gloves instead of vile. Youll be able to oc on occasion and rapidly get back hive, and also overall improve hive haste because of the talent

Oc jammer pulse also gonna hit everything

[hexed steppe]

Depends on the weapon and build. Example: Something like harmony on an explosives build would benefit with dta on 3rd slot since dttooc wont benefit explosives.
Very build specific tho

You should be using cap on skill damage builds and that will have both dta and dttooc if you roll it correctly

[silent storm]

I don't know man. People saying that Eagle Bearer isn't a PvE gun I don't understand. Seems to perform better than fine to me.

[honest helm]

Is there a bug where you can't tinker things? Cause it's not letting me tinker my named bag

[onyx sage]

are you trying to tinker the talent

[smoky latch]

It's not bad, it's just better in PvP. Also, coming back to the topic from earlier, you will notice a clear difference in its stability when using it without Striker's (Striker's elevates every weapon pretty much) and you seem to be oblivious to the current mini-event that gives you +40% stability and +40% accuracy

[silent storm]

Oh Deadeye Overdrive is active, I hadn't even noticed

[smoky latch]

Those mini-events are sneaky, yeah

[tranquil wave]

Ah alr, btsu > vile

[hexed steppe]

In this case, yeah. Btsu goated 🐐

[honest helm]

Anyone got a fun anytime PvE build for Backfire?

I know it was strong in previous seasons but I'd like to give it a whirl for when I feel like using an SMG

[smoky latch]

4pcs Striker's, Ceska chest w/ Obliterate and Memento backpack. Amount of armor cores depends on your preference.

[rich lotus]

I have used 4pc Hunter's Fury, w Coyote Mask, and Matador with Bleed Resist mods, it's fun, but dicey

[smoky latch]

Is an alltime favorite. Now it depends on whether you care about the bleed effect or not, there are further specifics

[honest helm]

I don't really care much about bleed but I'll try both

[rich lotus]

The bleed resist is so you don't loose health or armor when you reload the backfire

[honest helm]

Ah.

[solar sable]

You don't need Bleed Resistance or Hazpro for Backfire, you're just nerfing yourself by using them

[smoky latch]

I call that quality of life :p

But you're right, you can get more damage without HazPro or bleed res

[honest helm]

I was going to do a 4 piece HF, Equilizer, Momento, and Ouroboros build.

[smoky latch]

Memento :}

[solar sable]

awesome, I also thought of Soko Oblit but Equalizer sounds good for you I guess

[honest helm]

It's just to make Oro go BRRRR more

[onyx sage]

1p UA is a bit weaker on ouro compared to other smgs but it doesn't really matter for casual stuff

[honest helm]

I play mostly casual stuff so it's why I chose it.

[onyx sage]

it's just about the same as sokolov anyway. but equalizer is better so yeah it's good

[solar sable]

the average player has spoken

[onyx sage]

it's just because ouro already has a 10% rof mod so UA's value is a bit diminished

[dreamy valve]

Here's my full tank build experience with a master climax mission with randos. Everyone else was on damage no support builds

[subtle bluff]

If he did this recently to note the event current makes look a lot easier to do.

[magic pilot]

During the event?

[dreamy valve]

What event? I dont remember

I think this was taken on December 2

[grand girder]

personally I like 4pc striker glass cannon + overdogs

hits like a truck with 6 red cores

[edgy hollow]

Those Lengmo pcs are hard to find. But it’s nice to have something to work toward

[magic pilot]

CoCo is better now for pesti in groups

https://youtube.com/shorts/DSCl-DKg3FE?si=9jDSzplOhGzj5Lkg

[dreamy valve]

facts

[edgy hollow]

Did it coco ger buffed recently? I’m a returning player so I’m out of the loop

[magic pilot]

It's a new set

[subtle bluff]

IT ALL IN MY GUIDE!!! 👺

[dreamy valve]

Pesti got buffed during the weapons balance update last year, The new gearset was just introduced, maybe concentrated company changed during the testing phase? Don't remember

[subtle bluff]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WChAQCX06I4wgHd3iU0BuearJps2Lnr5wvLVehb8utY/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.84510325k0as

[subtle bluff]

No, Pesti itself did not get a buff. M249 got a buff....

[edgy hollow]

It’s my fault. I planned to look at the guide and I didn’t look at the guide 🫠

[subtle bluff]

You're good.

[dreamy valve]

There's a current bug on the gearset where you won't gain stacks on it after killing an enemy, so you'll need to swap a gearpiece out and back in to fix it

[subtle bluff]

It's a guide I worked at pretty hard at since there so much to be explained within the build.

[solar sable]

sir please calm down or im gonna need to ask you to get off the plane

[grand girder]

this is a wendys

[cerulean smelt]

Mrchow just wants to speak to your manager doomz

[smoky latch]

That is disputed, apparently just a visual bug:
https://youtu.be/jB5JLbUEMqI?t=655

[dreamy valve]

You still won’t know how many stacks you are gaining which sucks

[cerulean smelt]

that's how i felt, and just believe it wasn't stacking and i wasn't getting extra damage so i'll do the unequip and re-equip to make sure it works

[grand girder]

yeah same thing happens with BLB sometimes, I know it still stacks up but I hate not knowing

[smoky latch]

Yeah any type of marker this season is bricked

Sort of. It doesn't behave as it used to

[onyx sage]

overdogs marker when

[tawny kindle]

Just joined pvp for weekly project. Not worth it. 4 out of 5 game have cheaters.

[strong cave]

Yeah had 3 games back to back cheaters. Couldn't even try out the event like I wanted to

At this rate I'm about to nuke my 2nd PvP character and just turn it into my 3rd PvE character

[echo comet]

guys what would be a good build for legendary missions/what should i be keeping in mind while building specifically for legendary missions?

[subtle bluff]

Strikers

You want to be able to effect the battlefield in a meanful way.

[torpid valve]

Guys, this is my friend build. He said the max damage only 800k

[subtle bluff]

what does 800k mean?

[torpid valve]

the crit damage bruh

[subtle bluff]

We measure most build by DPS not by a bullet.

[torpid valve]

Yeah yeah i mean the dps

[torpid valve]

What the ?

[subtle bluff]

800k DPS is VERY low..

[echo comet]

just your simple striker/elmos build?

[torpid valve]

Yeah ikr, so what could be change to improve the dps ?

[subtle bluff]

More or less.

[subtle bluff]

Pretty much all of it... Go with the standard striker

[subtle bluff]

also tell him to stop experise gear it's not worth till you have A TON of mats to waste

[brittle bloom]

And he's using turmoil. Tell him not to. Thats splitting his damage

[subtle bluff]

I mean I wasn't joking when I said everything

[honest helm]

Man I can't believe how much I slept on Exodus gloves until I started using them on my AR builds lol

[subtle bluff]

almost any build. Why does it have to be AR?

[honest helm]

Well specifically chameleon however I mostly use AR specifically EB.

[subtle bluff]

meh.. HF works with Chameleon a lot better imo. I don't have my run save where I can share it

[woeful zodiac]

Is there a good high end Exodus build that can go with Cloak Kneepads?

And Equalizer and Salvo?

[subtle bluff]

Strikers.

Cloak doesn't really do much. I've tried it I still get agro pretty easily

And I tried it a lot for testing wise.

[broken edge]

Cloack might work best for a sniper build, i do wonder if the effects become stronger if you mix it with mantis

[woeful zodiac]

"high end"

I already know striker can't fit in the build properly

[subtle bluff]

Oh HE build. I just read high end exo.

[subtle bluff]

Once you start doing dmg. You'll just grab threat. If you already don't do too much maybe it'll help.

[subtle bluff]

You mean all of those together?

[woeful zodiac]

Yea

[subtle bluff]

Just put them all together then. Add whatever BP talent Ceska and 3th UA.

Sorry you just asked for a build but already have 4 out 6 pcs..

[woeful zodiac]

Np ig

[hexed steppe]

add vigilance bag talent, and oblit or glass chest talent, swap exodus gloves for overdogs. 3 quick changes that will add a lot of damage to the current setup... not to mention the brands arent really optimal, but thats just more farming to improve them.

something like this wrecks, knee can optionally be fox's prayer, but the 3rd alloy pieces makes that bluescreen 300rounds so kinda qol choice for me.

• ceska vigilance
• grupo mask
• 3pc unit alloys incl-equalizer named chest (perfect obliterate ) and salvo namedholster
• overdogs exotic gloves

[cloud sluice]

Is the Closer the best chest piece for Heartbreaker? 🤔

[onyx sage]

no, the heartbreaker chestpiece is

[digital orchid]

I want to improve my determined build. I got a Habsburg chest piece rolled with blue core, skill damage, repair skills and headhunter as talent. Which tinker option gets me the best effect for the determined headshot build?

#1 change to a red core for 15% weapon damage
#2 change repair skills to headshot damage

I know the rolls aren't the best but getting this piece to roll with headhunter and headshot damage and maybe even weapon handling is like winning the lottery.

[onyx sage]

red core

[digital orchid]

Thanks, I'll try that

[solar sable]

why habs and not chainkiller?

[digital orchid]

There are a couple of reasons actually. I've been using chainkiller chest piece with perfect headhunter and airaldi holdings backpack with vigilance for years.

However, ever since Habsburg came out, my former go to combo is now inferior to 2 piece habsburg chest and backpack with normal headhunter and vigilance.

The 2 piece habsburg gets me the brand set bonuses 13% headshot damage and 20% marksman rifle damage. With my old combo I only got 5% weapon damage and 10% marksman rifle damage as brand set bonuses from the chainkiller chest and airaldi holdings backpack.

I just did some testing in the shooting range and even tho 1 of the 2 habsburg pieces doesn't have headshot damage as an attribute, I am already doing more damage compared to classic chainkiller and airaldi holdings combo.

Max damage
#1 chainkiller chest with perfect headhunter, headshot damage attribute + airaldi backpack with vigilance, headshot damage attribute: 32.760.796
#2 Habsburg 2 piece chest with normal headhunter and backpack with vigilance, only 1 headshot damage attribute:
34.041.396

This means when i finally get the habsburg chest to drop with headshot damage attribute and headhunter right away so that i can change the blue core to a red core, I will do even more damage with the habsburg 2 piece combo compared to chainkiller chest and airaldi backpack with vigilance.

[astral kraken]

your second shot will be worse w/ 2x habsburg, just fyi

[digital orchid]

Why that?

[astral kraken]

first shot will be ~500k more, second shot 1.4 million worse, cap shot 1 million more

assuming you're running hotshot

[digital orchid]

Yes hotshot

[astral kraken]

b/c perfect headhunter

[digital orchid]

The 2nd shot already has enough dmg to 1 shot elites. But I'll try in depth in summit now

[astral kraken]

headhunter is not active on the first shot which is why you're doing more there

yea it doesn't really matter b/c the damage is way above what's needed

[digital orchid]

The "hardest" part with a determined build is hitting the first headshot. From then on its smooth sailing. I'm basically trying to get as much damage for the first shot as possible

Because it isn't enough to 1 shot all elites

[astral kraken]

it depends on the content too since enemy hp scales w/ # of players in the group

[digital orchid]

True

[digital orchid]

Thanks for the hint tho

[astral kraken]

are you using overdogs?

[digital orchid]

No, 4 piece hotshot and 2 piece habs

[astral kraken]

try overdogs (drop one hotshot piece). its good.

[hexed steppe]

great way to improve first shot damage is having an actual damage talent to start your chain. like nemesis into your determined

[astral kraken]

just keep in mind any testing you do right now will be inflated b/c of the event

[hexed steppe]

you can improve your shots by also hitting 100% stability so you dont get scope swap

[digital orchid]

what happens with the overdogs bonus when there are lets say only elites. do i still get the 30% or does it only work when there is more than 1 tier present

[hexed steppe]

it applies to the lowest tier. if all you have is a single tier, it applies

its incredibly worth using over the 4pc hotshot bonus

[digital orchid]

Thats great!

[hexed steppe]

what atributes are you missing on the habs?

[astral kraken]

tiers aren't based on veterancy (red, purple, elite). it's based on enemy type (rusher, etc). prioritize accordingly 🙂

[solar sable]

🌭

[digital orchid]

Dammit, I must ve accidentally dismantled my overdogs gloves. Where to they drop?

[hexed steppe]

keep in mind you tac and a carbon will perform the same, tac just lacks a good lower rail so cant slot in the stability grip

[solar sable]

You can get their blueprint from Hyena Retaliations and craft them afterwards

[hexed steppe]

glove target loot, anywhere.
hyena retaliations for the blueprint

blueprint is much faster

[solar sable]

and funneh

[digital orchid]

Oh right, i think i have the blueprint. Can overdogs get different rolls or are they always the same and vary only in percentage?

[hexed steppe]

same rolls

[digital orchid]

Alright, will craft. God, these retaliations were a great addition

[hexed steppe]

they will help out the elmo if you stick with it on the build so its pretty good addition all the way around

[digital orchid]

Which faction drops automated defense parts?

Can't see it in the retaliation screen

[hexed steppe]

you craft them iirc

[digital orchid]

So they can only be crafted and not obtained some other way?

[hexed steppe]

hover over them in crafting bench to be 💯 . i could be mistaken but im not at a bench

[onyx sage]

overdogs infographic. it doesn't apply based on veterancy

credits to @buoyant perch

[hexed steppe]

it comes up enough

[subtle bluff]

The only thing that sucks that it's goes to the top.

[solar sable]

new pin in build advice?

[hexed steppe]

crisis averted

😎

[subtle bluff]

We should get a faq, info forums section

[smoky latch]

I second that

[subtle bluff]

I've made like a few my own channels so I can forward this stuff in.

[wary crypt]

For solo, are there any requirement % how many weapon handling you need for ravenous? or in general what is the best % value on weapon handling ?

[hexed steppe]

Its more relevant on mmr builds

[versed summit]

Generally you don't take, or prioritize, weapon handling.

If you're going for crit builds you typically won't have room and will just end up with some from brandset or gearset bonuses you're taking for more damage.

For headshot builds you take it as its the most valuable second stat you can take as there's not enough room for crit to be useful.

[wary crypt]

Thanks I"ll revisit again this during my build

[noble pelican]

Y'all can I get some advice on my build?

I very new to builds and the game in general

[tulip charm]

pinned comments has builds you can pick

you can farm basically everything in countdown via targeted loot. People usually carry in Challenging.

[hexed steppe]

youll be doing a full restart on the build i think, its just too all over the place. being new is not an issue, you came to the right spot 💯 .
what exactly are you looking to focus on for build type?

• dps are weapon damage builds - striker, negotiator, tipping scales
• headshot build (sniper/mmr weapon damage) - hotshot
• skill damage - refactor, eclipse protocol fire, hardwire, mortar
• team support - ongoing directive (support dps), future initiative (healer)

all these exist as guides in the pinned sheet mentioned above and will get you into a really good spot build wise. dps is the easiest to start with imho

[noble pelican]

weapon damage builds (runn and gun types) for sure

[solar sable]

r&g? Hunters fury is my pick, Strikers w/memento, umbra maybe, check the Spreadsheet, as local said. It has tons of builds, look for what fits you best

[echo comet]

is damage to armour good on ouroboros?

[solar sable]

dtoc

[echo comet]

ill run out of exotic components before i get a dtoc roll bro 😭ive just rerolled it like 8 times

yeah i ran out of reciever components

[subtle bluff]

Always DTTooC

[hexed steppe]

rip.. if you have dta on it , it will be fine till you are able to roll dttooc

[mental grove]

Pakhan

[solar sable]

huh?

[onyx sage]

Bullet King

[hazy steeple]

If we're just saying random exotics now, I'm going to add "Merciless".

[solar sable]

Rugged Gauntlets

[hexed steppe]

🗣️ 📣 Eagle Burger

[shy willow]

Regular

[solar sable]

Little Horn

[hazy steeple]

The devs knew exactly what they were doing calling the PvP exotic that, gotta love it.

[blazing notch]

QQ - Which build is best for Hollywood? I had some fun with the launcher/tip of the spear. But it kinda falls apart when you need to fight stuff normally. Had a blast playing with Hard Wired and Jammer Pulse spam, though again it does struggle a bit when you're on cooldown. Seems like maybe it works better in groups, with you breaking the shields and the team cleaning up. I mixed it up with the Rocket Launcher some, especially when I couldn't get close enough.

[smoky latch]

Don't forget about specialization weapons

[meager fog]

Just use the minigun

[blazing notch]

Minigun with like Strikers or something similar?

[subtle bluff]

Spec weapons, emp skills and any explosive.

Spec weapons if you read the even gets ammo back.

[fair dragon]

Grenade launcher. Instant kills, swap weapon and swap back to instantly reload

[frozen hull]

There’s a lot of good builds in the spreadsheet that’s pinned here in this chat but to make it easy on you … this is the spread sheet … if you scroll down it will also link you to a user named ikias builds … which is the second link I posted will take you right to those as well.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/htmlview#gid=1509999994

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nOwUSECa-1iLhET-mW04u6oMBdIdMjFjB2Ie25ziEA/mobilebasic

If you’re trying to do run and gun .. I have found these builds effective

Minds you these are all ikias builds and not my own…

[strong cave]

iKia is a great build source with tested and proven builds

[frozen hull]

Yes I love their builds

I’ve already built so many

[strong cave]

I use my own but iKia is overall a good source to use

Once you know what works best for your play style and the groups you're playing with, and it all has good synergy, it's really all you need

[sharp folio]

What does banshee pulse do guys?

[strong cave]

That's what I like about iKia. He's got some unique builds for unique playstyles and he runs the math on everything. Thinking of all scenarios to put a build through. And comes up with trackable data for each and every build. You cannot ignore how time consuming that is just to prove how good (or had) a build is

[strong cave]

It will apply confusion/daze to the enemies while also pulsing them, allowing them to be seen by all team members

It's a pretty good skill for crowd controlling multiple front facing enemies

[sharp folio]

Also how do some people can use abilities even after being jammed?

[frozen hull]

They could be modding for hazard protection

[strong cave]

Hazard protection and/or Disrupt Immune. Additionally, if they're running tech, hive/skill proximity will make you immune to any EMP

[frozen hull]

I get my ass kicked in PvP so that’s as far as I can tell yah haha

[strong cave]

I played pvp frequently up until this season. I full on quit

I wasn't terrible at it. But eventually I stopped being "decent" at it

[frozen hull]

I’ve never been good at it I’ve been carried to victories

Which I hate being carried so I minimize my time there

[strong cave]

I was a DZ regular for a while, doing server fights. Played with the "best of the best" (which is BS imo, if you knew what I knew). Eventually moved to conflict. It's all Umbra DPS there. Or somebody is running skill status

Or somebody is running IA Regulus doing left hand peeks

You can run other builds but where I'm at in my region and platform all you'll see is umbra. Additionally , it's got a major cheater issue and most of the pvp playerbase are in clans. Making solo play miserable

[frozen hull]

Im on ps5 i dunno if theres cheating going o. But it’s miserable when youre trying to avoid people and they keep gunning for you but it’s PvP soo i just gotta accept it …although one day I swear this guy was shooting me from behind a wall I have no idea how he saw me
lol but he must have

[strong cave]

DZ is full dead or once pvp starts, it's over with in seconds because a cheater will show up

[strong cave]

Desync most likely. The games source code is awful for pvp

Can very much tell it's a PvE game with added pvp elements

Kinda like ghost recon... 😆

[frozen hull]

Yeah luckily I’ve gotten all the names drops I wanted from there so I really don’t need to go back

[hazy steeple]

If you want more, there are plenty of non-pvp places you can get them from nowadays.

[strong cave]

Plenty

[hazy steeple]

Named Item caches have them in their loot pool, and you can get the blueprints via Retaliation.

[frozen hull]

Yeah I was lucky to get the rock n roll matador and gift in name caches

[strong cave]

You lucky f---

I've been trying to get matador

[hazy steeple]

I actually got a R+Roll not 3 minutes ago from turning on Hollywood for the first time.

straight to the trash.

(it's not bad or anything, I just have like 30 of them)

[strong cave]

It's a shame they didn't add stack broker to the winter caches

[frozen hull]

Oh man i got one from the vendor during count down and it was the version i wanted but then o r dropped from the name caches very lucky there

[strong cave]

Yeah I got the double crit one from the vendor a few weeks ago

[frozen hull]

lol it’s the gun I use on my heartbreakers build

[strong cave]

I bought them both for my pvp characters and I'm not even playing PvP 💀

[frozen hull]

The one I got

[hazy steeple]

I dislike the lack of a Talent for it, that's DPS being left on the table.

[frozen hull]

I do need a double crit the gift bag but meh

[strong cave]

I got one. It dropped godroll. Full godroll

[hazy steeple]

Frankly, it's not like you need those extra 10 shots in the R+Roll compared to the base version, since each "bullet" with it is actually 8 shots (read: stacks).

[strong cave]

I rolled it for blue bc why not

[frozen hull]

Lucky !! I have a god roll headshot one which was great for my sniper build

[strong cave]

Technically would be 80 more stacks with it being 10 extra shots assuming you don't miss a pellet

[strong cave]

I still have yet to get my unicorn perfectly rolled Habsburg backpack and I have yet to get double crit closer. But with unit alloys being a thing, there's no point taking perfect spotter anymore

[hazy steeple]

@strong cave Correct, however you almost certainly don't require those extra stacks to be able to maintain it with your main gun, and losing out on a Talent for it is a bigger loss.

[strong cave]

100% true. I personally would rather just use fast hands bc reloading the ACS 12 takes years

[hazy steeple]

Exactly! Fast Hands is the perfect choice there. Weapon Handling as a stat should always be a main concern, once your important stats are covered.

[frozen hull]

I wonder why they didn’t cause I could use a second one of these

[strong cave]

Stack Broker + Fast Hands goes so crazy

[frozen hull]

I use stack broker on my strikers build

[strong cave]

I wish it dropped with random talents. I want one with ROF and fast hands

[strong cave]

Mine is on my main PvP char for dz usage

[frozen hull]

Yeah I could see it being good there too

[strong cave]

It's extremely good if you're using anything that needs immediate stacking. My use case being immediate striker stacks when a group of rogues pull up to my landmark. Swap to EB after broker is reloaded, pop a headshot kill, get 3 ez kills, whole squad of rogues married to the concrete

[hexed steppe]

just to add to this list: any shock source as well (shock ammo, tamper proof, environmental, elmo, thunderstrike)

[tranquil wave]

So shoot an enemy down with broker > EB > wipe?

[subtle bluff]

You don’t need to stack to use striker.

[tranquil wave]

Of course

[restive python]

Generally for build, you wanna go as much firerate as you can? Cause I'm trying an OD build with either a Mk16 or an AK

[hexed steppe]

Rof has more impact on builds that stack.
And yes it affects dps

[hexed steppe]

Od is pretty flexible with concerns to rof. Doesn't stack so it isnt holding up the talent like it would striker

Damage output is gonna be impacted by rof. If you look at the pinned sheet you can see how the weapons stack up to others in their category.

Or rather, how they stack up to anything else

[sharp folio]

What does the pulse resistance do?

[shy willow]

Only relevant in PvP, when at 100 percent makes you immune to pulse

[ivory ridge]

best one shot build for a low level trying to farm Control Points

[subtle bluff]

Best is subjective here.

[onyx sage]

give him the busy bee dch build

[prisma iron]

Any specific nemesis build or you can just add it to any build due to its massive dmg? Pvp

[subtle bluff]

iirc PGC all reds and stats for MMR dmg.

[hexed steppe]

4pc hotshot, chain killer chest, airaldi vigilance bag. Determined white death or other determined talent bolt mmr like sr1/m700 variants.
There is a guide for sniper setups on the pinned sheet

That's basically entry level, easy to farm/use. You can get more elaborate setups that will minmax damage, but the basic will trivialize heroic level controlpoints, anything lower difficulty will be a breeze

[echo comet]

alr so

do i need to run an exotic

[onyx sage]

you can run any variant of this

[fossil crag]

@echo comet

[onyx sage]

you don't really want to run an exotic with HHF. the only case is if you want dodge city holster but you'll lose vigilance

[fossil crag]

thats just for a few leg mission spots but not needed

[echo comet]

dch is okay just for like opening fights but i think it's a waste

[onyx sage]

showcase

in leg i don't even run dch anymore, used to but it's less consistent the longer the fight is

[astral kraken]

dch is good for learning tho

i would at least try it a few times and see how it feels

[echo comet]

ive been running it without hhf rn

[fossil crag]

its good the the 3 dummy bosses in dark hours and buddy and lulu

[onyx sage]

HHF's value add is in the disorient and aok

in raids it's not useful at all

[astral kraken]

dch just makes the start easier especially in solo play

the downside is if you miss you're fked, but thats why its good for learning

[fossil crag]

you need the DCH stack to 1 shot buddy /lucy no other way to get taht dmg that I can think of

[echo comet]

i miss a lot on the opening shots with reg

[onyx sage]

i'm talking about HHF not being used in raids at all

[astral kraken]

thing is if you miss opening shots it'll go poorly either way

[fossil crag]

(OOOOOO yeah yeah yeah!!! I was jsut speaking on the holster it self LOL

[onyx sage]

dch is obviously useful in any environment really

[fossil crag]

my bad dawg!!

[woeful zodiac]

Anyone have a stealth build?

[echo comet]

ok so what im getting is

well i still dunno whether to run dch or not

[astral kraken]

you need a place to practice and trying both to feel everything out

reg takes practice and repetition

[smoky latch]

There's no such thing. Maybe you mean sth else by that?

[astral kraken]

@echo comet legendary manning first encounter. just run it over and over with different combinations.

thats what i was running in the vid. you can see how forgiving it is when i make mistakes. tech spec gives you a strong shield so you can take your time.

[echo comet]

so learning solo legendaries just need me to get comfortable with my build and learn the map

one of my main goals is to solo a legendary and i believe regulus will help me clear

[onyx sage]

it's good in some legs only, not all. the best one for u to practice in is capitol

[astral kraken]

look at how @onyx sage does it here, no regulus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8V3HYXFk90

[echo comet]

not dua?

[onyx sage]

and zoo of course

[echo comet]

ive seen the most people running dua

[onyx sage]

no, regulus in dua is quite a lot harder than cap or zoo

striker is easier for dua

[astral kraken]

memento striker is easier everywhere imo

its a good way to get your first solo clears in

[echo comet]

memento requires you to get kills in the first place

[astral kraken]

and regulus is more for speed/efficiency/challenge

[echo comet]

and then pick up the trophy

[astral kraken]

which is not a problem if you solo

[onyx sage]

the world records for solo that use reg all use memento

and they're all held by one person

[echo comet]

i like stuff that has a high skill ceiling and regulus is actually fun to use as well

[solar sable]

noobmaster69?

[onyx sage]

we know, the point we're making is regulus is more if you want to optimize rather than to get ur first clear

even then u don't even need regulus exactly, headhunter is more the deal

[echo comet]

isnt headhunter on the pistol determined builds as well

[onyx sage]

exactly

[astral kraken]

we do too, trust. how you progress is up to you. imo it's best to start with a reliable clear so you can learn everything and then make it harder and reach for the skill ceiling.

[echo comet]

so what should be my first clear then

[onyx sage]

striker dua

[echo comet]

alright

[astral kraken]

toastey has a guide, one sec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F8N4h5Iac8

you dont need to do what he does exactly. i do a lot of parts very differently and so do others. but he explains the spawns and what to watch out for.

[echo comet]

i see a lot of higher level players using the chem launcher or something whats that about

[astral kraken]

also watch @onyx sage's clears. you can get ideas for how to deal with certain rooms:
https://www.youtube.com/@dien_aka_kim/videos

[onyx sage]

foam chem is what u probably see

[echo comet]

mainly in speedruns

wait what the hell how is toastey adsing with a st elmos

[astral kraken]

they removed that recently

you can use an 8x scope with lexington to get the same thing if you want

not really needed tho

[echo comet]

yeah was just curious i dont really fw high zooms that much anyway

[buoyant perch]

You can use oxidizer chem to clear the first part of DUA but it's quite hard to get the timing/aiming right

[ivory ridge]

thanks bro mad respect

[subtle bluff]

Imo for newer guys nego is so much easier to do.

[hexed steppe]

Nego is goated ngl.
😍 🐐

[subtle bluff]

Could do to better with frenzy.

[onyx sage]

nego frenzy is my fastest croc pit clear strat now

[subtle bluff]

Have you tried adding a bee with it?

[onyx sage]

nah the bottleneck right now is waiting for adds to come out the door faster tbh, not damage

[subtle bluff]

Fair. Ya why bluescreen there is nice to cc everything.

[coarse scaffold]

For 4pc striker with equalizer chest should i use overdogs, contractors, or a 2nd unit alloy piece

[fossil crag]

I like the new equ and the new named holster

thats apperantly the new hottest flavor of striker

[smoky latch]

That or EQ / Overdogs

[astral kraken]

There are a few options now.

Overdogs will give you the most overall damage for most content in the game. There are places where Overdogs doesn't activate as much (legendary) but in most other places it stays active a lot of the time. For the chest piece you can run Ceska+Glass, Sacrifice, or Equalizer.

If you don't use Overdogs then the next best pick is Sacrifice+Gift or UA+Glass/UA+Vigilance. All of those are chests with Glass Cannon so it's up to you if you wanna go that route.

If you don't use Overdogs and you don't use Glass Cannon, the next best is Equalizer and UA (not salvo).

Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gIi2witRD62oinWVgcnPIJAxF32ccHwh2wme46C0Gow/edit?usp=sharing

[versed summit]

isn't normal UA better than Salvo with Equalizer?

[foggy imp]

Does anyone know if the perfect obliterate out damages the Ceska obliterate combo with striker and overdog gloves

[subtle bluff]

More or less. Some weapons will even out.

[smoky latch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10a9sP5sGo8jI56NHVjsIezravVti7Wot68YEG1vgHq4/edit?gid=0#gid=0
Both works well

Only small differences

In the sheet scroll down to line 118

[foggy imp]

Okay and then with tipping scales is it better to run the unit chest or the tipping chest with bluescreen

[smoky latch]

AFAIK the TS chest is never really needed. You're better off with a brand set chest

[subtle bluff]

Above

[silent storm]

TS great build

When Frenzy kicks in everything melts

[foggy imp]

Okay so it’s better to run the holster

[foggy imp]

I like tipping scales just don’t like waiting for frenzy

[subtle bluff]

No comment about the weapons but the build is right above.

[silent storm]

Prefire to low ammo then enter fight on a reload

[foggy imp]

Bluescreen for TS and Lexington with striker

[subtle bluff]

Just make sure your Crit are right with Bluescreen.

[silent storm]

You can say you don't like my Rifle

[subtle bluff]

Idk how to word no comment in a nice way.

[silent storm]

Merciless is really shining in Hollywood runs to get my stars before the event ends

[foggy imp]

Respectfully he doesn’t like it lol

[subtle bluff]

No. I just have no comments. Idk..

Idc

[hazy steeple]

The unmodded pistol on there does make it seem like an intentional joke, it must be said.

[silent storm]

I feel like you are really going to hate the next build I post when I complete it.

[silent storm]

Don't need mods on move fast pistol

I never fire it

[hazy steeple]

You don't need to fire it for mods on it to be a good idea.

actually before I say anything else: what's the 3rd attribute on it?

[hazy steeple]

Well at least you have that.

[silent storm]

If I am going to use a pistol I equip Regulus

[astral kraken]

Yea looks like it. But my CHC/CHD doesn't line up with iKia had so I need to double check why the discrepency.

I have 55/117 and he has 58/111. I most likely missed something so I'll check.

[buoyant perch]

CHD mod instead of CHC on lex

[astral kraken]

ah ty

[buoyant perch]

5% on lex mod, 6% on gear so you gain 3% CHC when doing the swap

[astral kraken]

That puts me at 56/115

[buoyant perch]

you have 3 mods on lex

[astral kraken]

alright got it, ty

[hexed steppe]

ts, right?

im still catching up

[astral kraken]

nah striker

Equalizer+UA > Equalizer+Salvo

[hexed steppe]

oic, i think its close enough to not really matter the chc/chd

[astral kraken]

Updated my message. Thanks 🙂

[astral kraken]

Yea but better is better. Might as well recommend the better thing.

[hexed steppe]

the minor adjustments i mean

[astral kraken]

Yes but also consider killer

[hexed steppe]

thats why i was wondering TS

[astral kraken]

And even if was just that, might as well recommend the better one

[hexed steppe]

but its not so nvm

[honest helm]

Finally finished my heartbreaker EB build hope this works as well as I think it will. lol

[silent storm]

So doing the Krampus bounty with Hollywood on you can take out pretty much the entire first wave of Krampus room with the Jammer Pulse lol

Dependin on how they are positioned that is

[smoky latch]

Try this for the Merciless as long as the event lasts

After reset back in the stash it goes

[subtle bluff]

Try it with Umbra + chest with the event it should be interesting.

[smoky latch]

If I catch time to play before reset I'll give it a shot

[iron creek]

what goes well with the ouroboros? (besides strikers)

[solar sable]

HF maybe

[torpid valve]

What event bruv ?

[hazy steeple]

@torpid valve They're referring to the Hollywood GE (global event), it's explosiony based.

[subtle bluff]

Actually this for that build.

[solar sable]

ew

[astral kraken]

worst event ever

[subtle bluff]

Merciless build needs the stability.

[torpid valve]

Merciless r begging for mercy

[hoary atlas]

Is that bad idea use Bittersweet Exotic but on Striker Gear

[smoky latch]

I think you'd want HSD on your build

Or rifle damage w/crits

[reef swallow]

I was about to call you crazy for using Merciless, then I saw it was for the event

[smoky latch]

It's pretty good with the event

[smoky latch]

Nice hint, that was fun. Also decent

[smoky latch]

Buff gone mid Retaliation 😐 Be gone, Merciless

[quartz herald]

btw any lvl 40 builds have bloodsucker on it that works with striker?

Gunner, sharpshooter or Firewall spec with em ^

[smoky latch]

Try getting 1pc PS with double crits so you can roll the core to WD. Can keep Striker's backpack and get 20% AoK with Gunner

[quartz herald]

the second part I got but the first? PS and WD?

[subtle bluff]

Yeah it's a build that was decent but it's DPS because I had to use something.....

[subtle bluff]

Palisade and weapon damage

[restive python]

What kind should i care more, Burst or sustained DPS? For normal, Heroic tier content

[subtle bluff]

Normal, Heroic?

Generally Burst.

[hazy hull]

I'm currently looking for an SMG build that's gonna be fast and built for endgame content

[subtle bluff]

Same build that used for AR’s LMG’s.. Strikers.

[hazy hull]

So just exactly the same just switch the gun

Chill makes my job easier

[thick meteor]

Add a memento for some survivablity, since memento has 3 core attributes, which includes a red and blue, pick another part of your gear that youll tinker to add a blue core

Again, not needed but its good if youre going to go run and gun

[hazy hull]

So going for memento to survive turmoil to spread damage Striker for damage and lady death to have that DPS and speed of being able to pick up memento trophies

[solar sable]

ditch Strikers vest and turmoil & switch to ceska Oblit and Strikers knees
You will not be able to reach all 200 striker stacks with that

[hazy hull]

Ok

[shy willow]

Tec 9 is good but I would switch lady death for an AR, something you can use at mid/long range

[surreal stream]

Tactical UMP-45 good in any builds or should I extract that perfect DTOC roll?

[broken edge]

would say to fill in the library

UMP is part of the slow hard hitting weapons, it has poor accuracy and rof which makes the high damage per shot awkward for an SMG that is usually spit as much bullets as you can for crits

even the named one that has insane range is more a meme weapon over really strong

[hearty owl]

UMP buff 2026???

[fossil crag]

@native plume See im so close to having it all 30 LOL

Edit: crap not a up to date photo the black shotty is now lvl 28 LOL

[native plume]

So much exotic compo wasted on armors

[hearty owl]

Armor before the weapons is kinda crazy ngl but congrats

I wish I did the exotic component bug a few seasons ago

[subtle bluff]

Tank meta 💀

[hearty owl]

Mr Chow didn’t tell me about it while I was on hiatus and so I missed out on it…

[subtle bluff]

I thought your clan mates would of told you.

[hearty owl]

😔

they did but I only listen to Mr Chow

[fossil crag]

I dont care its my fav build been usin hunters since it dropped and on this acc it was the build I used for 0 to 10k

[fossil crag]

whats even craizer is it was 1st to 30... the shottys are jsut tehre for show honestly...

[fossil crag]

why so you can get exotic comps that you didnt earn..?

[hearty owl]

Yeah, that’s exactly why

[fossil crag]

do you boo. I dont do glitches or bugs

[hearty owl]

I mean before they started dropping them like candy getting them was the biggest pain in the ass ever

[magic pilot]

Do you use determined?

[fossil crag]

no.

I use reggy lol Like this lit is the ONLY build I use

[magic pilot]

I don't have determined in my library 😎

[fossil crag]

hince why its 30.

[magic pilot]

I mean that doesn't say much

Most of my exo weapons are 30

[fossil crag]

Cool..? I think hahaha I have it in mine bacuse I hate seeing incompleat stuff liek tha t

this and my lex only 30 I think LOL

[magic pilot]

Damn

[fossil crag]

these 2 next, but thats just casue I want it all 30

the black shotty though is my baby so yeah shes almost there its rolled health dmg for dogs bots and chungas

[magic pilot]

I got Lex, iron lung, pesti, capacitor, reg, m870, 1886, backfire, stack broker, acs-12

Couple others, and a handful of skills

[fossil crag]

I got a lotta 20's though and skillz too

[magic pilot]

All my skills are at a minimum of 12

Some are really good upgrades

[fossil crag]

ON this acc if I dont use it I aint making it even 1 LOL

[magic pilot]

Valid

[fossil crag]

I was baked, and my friend was liek try the shock trap so i was like IIght hold my beer im making it 12.... (OG acc 30k shd) and it was already 12... I got to 18 before I relized waht I was doing LOL never again LOL and I had to make it 20 casue it was killing me at 18 LOL

[vernal wave]

any advice for solo master tidal basin the pact ?

[onyx sage]

what build do you have

[vernal wave]

thats why im here for xD

[onyx sage]

well you can solo it with just striker full red

[subtle bluff]

If you're asking you're not ready for it.
Strikers is what has been used.

[onyx sage]

the thing is whether you want to do it with no modifiers or not

[subtle bluff]

Oh right modifiers.

[onyx sage]

modifiers make it a lot easier

once you have the build you also need to know the encounters, there are a few runs on YT that you can watch to learn those

toastey (duo but you learn the encounters only): https://youtu.be/Gu0pWiXlWJY

azuki (solo with modifiers): https://youtu.be/pX_fRqvsgyY

having experience with legendary also helps a lot, would say it's quite a step up from a traditional legendary

[subtle bluff]

https://youtu.be/xKjHJbAe2oc?si=_VlfOP62ES9YRUSH
here's one more

[onyx sage]

^ disclaimer this is my run

[vernal wave]

i got smt like this

[onyx sage]

you can try to make it work but bighorn won't help here

the real problem is the 2 marauders on the boss, you either need a lot of damage to kill them fast or have enough survivability from the other adds to be able to run and dodge their missiles

it's why you either go full red or have more pfe, striker won't let you have enough pfe so you need to use high end

[vernal wave]

i just realized that im too old for this

[onyx sage]

💀 understandable

[subtle bluff]

With modifiers and change out BH it's more doable. It's a really long solo.

[versed summit]

Its really only worth doing solo for the challenge

[vernal wave]

how the modifiers are helpful

[onyx sage]

zealot gives you damage reduction, at level 3 it's 100% DR

the global modifier also gives you free damage and rate of fire

[versed summit]

Its free real estate

[vernal wave]

how to get that zealot i think i dont have it

[onyx sage]

only in the mission

when you get in the mission you can turn it on

[smoky latch]

The climax missions allow you to use their respective seasonal modifiers

[vernal wave]

ahhhh thank you so much

got it

[onyx sage]

don't be a madman and solo it full red with no modifiers

the world needs you alive

[vernal wave]

its enough knowledge for one day ill try it tomorrow

thank you all

[tidal swan]

The build I stole from bossman for that boss was memento striker with one impro and all pfe mods. I used that a lot for duo runs but haven't done in solo yet (not sure if I ever will tbh)... not sure what he used on his fastest solo run but I think he has it up on YT.

[onyx sage]

on that run he also didn't get hit by any missile so i don't think he needs pfe tbh

[tidal swan]

yea idk

[fossil crag]

but in taught prossess exotic comps. you cant them with you when you die, why not spend them

[crystal merlin]

Hi, can you tell me where I can get an exotic TINKERER mask now?

[solar sable]

potomac center climax mission "The Manager"

[crystal merlin]

On the "Master" difficulty, will it be given 100% after completion? Do I understand correctly?

[smoky latch]

First time per character finishing it on master is guaranteed, repeated runs on master with the same character have a 10% chance to drop it again

[crystal merlin]

thx all

[jade mason]

Hi.

I need two very good players for the Manhunt Master Mission the Pact Tidal Basin for the exotics Blacklisters kneepeds pls

[smoky latch]

#lfg-playstation

[jade mason]

👍🏻

[subtle bluff]

that's the most off topic detailed post yet.

Building...

[wheat panther]

what do you mean ?

[subtle bluff]

Why are you building here.

[broken edge]

Going to ask you to elaborate becuase that sounds a lot like scams we get all the time

[obsidian lotus]

for solo build does Heartbreaker Chest, Knees, Holster, Gloves with Memento and the named mask with two mod slots, all.headshot damage and Bighorn sound good?

I try Intimidate but realise I get more damage from heartbreaker chest

[onyx sage]

technically intimidate will give more damage

it's not very obvious that it is so but intimidate does give more, but what you said works. unless you want to minmax in which case i'd ask what content you're fighting

[obsidian lotus]

im trying master solo

[onyx sage]

which master

[obsidian lotus]

kelso for birdie bag so I can be super revive tank

revive hive for all 😄

[onyx sage]

yeah it works, HB chest doesn't have the range restriction but intimidate gives more damage, it's up to you which one you use

[obsidian lotus]

I think i prefer HB Chest bc less restriction and also still have damage when low armour, also more bonus armour

[onyx sage]

i'd be playing up close anyway to get headshots for pulsing so i'd be in range for intimidate anyway, plus intimidate stacks just in 3s

yeah you can use HB chest with something else

[obsidian lotus]

yes but I can lose bonus armour, and I also have less armour, how does Intimidate give more damage? jw

[onyx sage]

use shield, if you play right you don't lose bonus armor

[obsidian lotus]

I use shield no matter I am all Blue core anyway

[onyx sage]

those are the options, you can pick whichever you like

[obsidian lotus]

I use PfE three mod and one headshot bc i dont have four PfE

[silent storm]

I saw a guy yesterday with 6 13% PfE mods

I have never even gotten 1 of those and this guy is double and triple stacking them

[fossil crag]

hes just pecocking, or he dont like killing just living LOL

[buoyant perch]

I have too many 13% I started deconstructing them

[smoky latch]

I just keep six

[versed summit]

Its nice to have extra so you can hotswap pieces without removing mods, but I only have 4 anyways

[smoky latch]

Not using them much and I just play one character nowadays

[silent storm]

Yeah he didn't kill much but he never died either

[versed summit]

I use them for raid tanks and pfe shotgun for hunters/rogues

Tbf I don't always bother with pfe for the latter, but doesn't hurt

[obsidian lotus]

I have precisely one 13% pfe

[smoky latch]

Tank build for me too

[obsidian lotus]

two 12s but maybe more on my second character

[silent storm]

I have atleast 3 12% on all 4 characters, I never really use them but I feel like if I keep them then maybe one day 13s will start dropping

[obsidian lotus]

it was that 10% pulse resistance that took ages, stopped farming for it and got it on the very next legendary i ran without even having gear mods as target

[smoky latch]

I am still looking for a 9.9% Pulse Res despite not currently playing much in the DZ

Barely, actually

[silent storm]

is there even a way to farm them reliably outside of gear mods being in a legendary mission??

[obsidian lotus]

that's cause division 1 dz better 🥀🥀

[obsidian lotus]

I got most my max mods from just countdown gear mod target loot tbh

[buoyant perch]

yes, that's called being lucky

[smoky latch]

I liked DZ PvP in Div2 actually. But not with how things are for a while

[silent storm]

Too many cheaters for me

[smoky latch]

Glitch abuse on top of my list too

[silent storm]

Like I like PvP, but when you die before you even see someone that isn't PvP

[upbeat pecan]

I havent played in a longg time, anyone willing to push me towards an updated raid dps build? Still running provi rn lmao

[subtle bluff]

Pretty much the same. The new brandset you can change it up.

[upbeat pecan]

Mind if i dm a ss of my current setup?

[subtle bluff]

I don't do DMs

[shy willow]

You can just post here

[subtle bluff]

You can post it here.

[upbeat pecan]

Am i able to post screenshots here?

[smoky latch]

Post here and get all the help you need

[upbeat pecan]

One sec downloading from xbx app rn

Last time I played striker JUST started gaining popularity, but apparently the xbox raid community doesnt like provi anymore

[subtle bluff]

You could just keep the Chest and BP and the rest striker.

[shy willow]

Nah for raids this build is still pretty much the golden standard aside from encounters where you have the means to stack striker

[upbeat pecan]

Okay, cuz I have like the “niche” speedrun setups, ND (both versions) oxy, etc, etc. but the last time I tried raiding I got insulted and kicked for running this lol

[shy willow]

There's specific people that will give you a hard time for no reason but most are happy to run you through

Like dude the raid community is virtually dead and people still wanna be elitist😭

[upbeat pecan]

Honestly its not even that I cant do it, I used to run with some of the top speedrunners like ik how to do it, just according to some this build “isnt enough damage” anymore.

I do appreciate the help though and the consultation that im not crazy lol

[versed summit]

I'd recommend using Measured over flatline on your primary

[shy willow]

I mean it has a lower damage ceiling than striker sure but you don't need to ramp it up

[upbeat pecan]

Isnt that lower fire rate for half the mag and higher for the other half?

[shy willow]

Also this cuz flatline isn't doing you much good on survivalist

[wispy hollow]

Is Measured now favored over Strained/Killer ?

[versed summit]

Yeah

[versed summit]

Better than strained and more consistent than killer

[shy willow]

It's net positive DPS buff these days

[versed summit]

Killer can be better, but not for raids

[upbeat pecan]

Is Strega any good? Just got it to drop

[versed summit]

Its aight

[upbeat pecan]

Not worth my exotic slot over reg or rav tho im guessing

[shy willow]

If you're killing a lot then it's very neat

[wispy hollow]

If going Measured, could replace chest with Equalizer and Holster with Salvo. The RoF bonus helps with the talent as well.

[upbeat pecan]

Equalizer?

[shy willow]

Perfect obliterate chest

[upbeat pecan]

Ahh

[upbeat pecan]

I do have a salvo too so i could do this, but tbf most of the raid encounters have a chance for me to build striker so this could be like a “main” setup and then the striker for when i need it

Are contractors and foxes still best in slot? Or is there new better dps gloves and knees

[smoky latch]

Overdogs will be your new friend for gloves

[wispy hollow]

Could try this. 57% CHC 168% CHD

[upbeat pecan]

This is pretty similar to what i was just planning actually lol, was just trying to figure out what the last piece would be.

You think fenris over grupo?

I figured id go the extra 13% cd but honestly that weapon dmg might be better

[versed summit]

They'd be pretty close either way

TBH I'd just go 3 PC UA. You're going to notice 50% more mag size more than 4-5% more overall DPS

Maybe less than that tbh

[onyx sage]

so that's 50% more damage right?

[upbeat pecan]

Ua? Sorry idk most of the newer sets 😭😭

[onyx sage]

it's a new set from this season

[versed summit]

Yeah 50% more DoT sir

[versed summit]

Unit alloys

[upbeat pecan]

Ahhh okay so swap my mask and knees for that igu, i think ill try that out and then pick up the striker set to have as well

[versed summit]

Ceska would be better than fenris tbh

[upbeat pecan]

He said hes at 57% cc already

So tbf not much he could do ab that lol

[versed summit]

With Elmo sure ig

[smoky latch]

57 CHC, 153 CHD, alternative to PGC.

[wispy hollow]

Why am I getting 57 CHC and 168 CHD in the build tool with this setup ? Whats your AR in the pic ?

[versed summit]

Nowadays I run 2 PC prov, ceska,
Fox's contractors and Dodge city with regulus.

[smoky latch]

Lex w/ 3x CHC

[wispy hollow]

Aaah that makes sense. I was setting up with St Elmos

[versed summit]

Could probably land even 60 with CHD mods on it

[upbeat pecan]

Idm the incoming dmg increase from perfect gc, so should i just keep that, keep foxes, and do UA mask + salvo + UA backpack?

[smoky latch]

If you use a regular UA holster you can swap one CHC mod from your HE AR to CHD, gives you 58 CHC and 163 CHD

[upbeat pecan]

Ik its a really strong dmg increase, im just not entirely sure on how “good” it still is

[versed summit]

TBH I'd just swsp in overdogs and call it good

[upbeat pecan]

Im guessing thats rng from exotic caches?

[versed summit]

Countdown with gloves targeted loot should get you it easily enough

[upbeat pecan]

Okay, and final question is countdown better than heroic/legendary summit?

[versed summit]

Yes

[smoky latch]

By now there is a new game activity called Retaliations, a good alternative to CD in terms of loot

[buoyant perch]

or do Hyena retaliation, you get a chance to get the ODog crafting blueprint plus regular target loot chance

[versed summit]

Only if you're grouped up tbh.

[smoky latch]

True

[upbeat pecan]

Do I get to target the loot for those? From what I understand those are basically just doing stuff in the world against specific factions

[buoyant perch]

Retal has target loot

[silent storm]

I just did a Retal and didn't get any Kill Squads?

[wispy hollow]

Its RNG

[versed summit]

Happens

[silent storm]

I always get atleast 1 though it was weird

[molten agate]

do pesti dmg spread from tumoil?

[wispy hollow]

No. Only the LMG damage does, not the Pesti debuff

[molten agate]

ty, so tumoil is only spreading my WD

[subtle bluff]

First person to get that in awhile

[silent storm]

Maybe I was just the Kill Squad all along

[onyx sage]

agent, finish the mission

[wispy hollow]

I once had 4 kills squads show up in East Mall Retal and then none show up in Judiciary Square.

[silent storm]

Southwest, not East Mall, is the one I just did and I like when I get Kill Squads because more loot there

[plush sundial]

Which backpack to use with tinkerer and tipping scales brand set

[versed summit]

The tipping scales backpack

[plush sundial]

CD Or CHC

[versed summit]

Whatever you need

You want to be as close to critical chance cap (60%) without going over

[untold salmon]

What assault rifle to use with tinkerer Heartbreakers build. Also what talents

[rotund pewter]

Can this be any better with different gear? 58.3% chc, 93% chd. At max stacks Im at 615% chd

[hazy steeple]

What's your SHD Level? You get a nice CHC+CHD buff from the watch, 10 and 20%, respectively.

[rotund pewter]

Yea those are at max already

596

[hazy steeple]

Your CHD is a tad low, although it is a gearset.
Can you get the CHD up any higher without nuking your CHC down?

[buoyant perch]

CHC on Bluescreen can help

[rotund pewter]

Like, I was wondering if it would be better to have something like Equalizer, or Petrov with Obliterate for more weapon damage instead of the chest piece, or something like that. Or does this build make sense

[buoyant perch]

Yeah those beat TS chest

Petrov with obli/glass, overdog gloves

[rotund pewter]

All I can really do is farm more chc mods, my best ones are 5.3, 5.4 and 5.6

[subtle bluff]

This should answer this.

[rotund pewter]

I've been trying for the overdog gloves no luck yet

[untold salmon]

Can anybody help me out with this or should I go elsewhere

[subtle bluff]

Generally we don't use trinkerer with HB for AR.

[buoyant perch]

do Hyena retaliation, you get a chance to get the ODog crafting blueprint plus regular target loot chance

[subtle bluff]

Stacks are very important for HB so using acs12 to stack some quicker is good.

[rotund pewter]

Yea thats what I was doing

[rotund pewter]

I had to give up Sacrifice a long time ago

[subtle bluff]

Otherwise weapons it's just whatever has +790 rpm, talent wise Killer (solo) > Measured > Flatline

[rotund pewter]

It makes me too angry lol

[subtle bluff]

Uh? There 2 things in there.

[rotund pewter]

No I know that sacrifice just seems to be the best though taking into account the 60% damage taken, not really

[onyx sage]

i main it everywhere now, it has an acquired taste

[buoyant perch]

'- cult leader

[restive python]

What's top of the leaderboard in terms of normal, non named ARs?

[buoyant perch]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1dBD1oKXzJB1E3bMJtfRNxRHoDCtkkZy8

Just read the sheet

[mint siren]

did you make that?

[buoyant perch]

iKia

[mint siren]

I owe them all the winter keys

thats crazy good

[stone python]

Good build?

[mint siren]

I would try to run an assult rifle instead of a shotgun if youre gonna run striker? Im not the best at builds though I might be wrong

[meager fog]

You're nerfing it with that backpack...

[honest helm]

Thinking I might want to fix up my Pesti build or change it entirely. Any advice or stick with it?

[hexed steppe]

striker benefits from fast shooting shotguns like acs because each pellet counts as a stack , 8 pellets per shot. this is why its there. they would swap to the main for their dps output after mostly stacked. they would benefit having brazen on that acs over sledge tho.

[mint siren]

thank you!

still trying to figure out builds

[hexed steppe]

this with red cores should be ok. the easiest pesti setup to build currently is with 4pc coco(including bag), overdogs, sacrifice chest (perfect glass). all rolled crit attributes, 55-60chc/rest chd.
something like this (disregard my chest, sacrifice is better)

[hexed steppe]

this is the best community for that, we were all there at one point

[mint siren]

heck yeah I love this community (:

[honest helm]

Is Sacrifice a named chest? Don't think I've seen it. Coco still good with solo play?

[hexed steppe]

It can be harder to stack solo, but if you use 1-2 damage skills you can increase stacks per kill because multiple damage sources.
Yes sacrifice is named providence chest. Target anywhere.
Glass is best even if you dont have perfect glass chest atm.

[hexed steppe]

If you can farm up the 3 lengmo so you can roll the cores red then its a solid setup as well.

[somber silo]

I just did striker backpack and the UA chest/holster instead personally

[strong cave]

Personally I prefer 3 Lengmo > coco just because it's easier to ramp up full damage VS fighting for stacks on coco

That's just been my experiences using it. The gearset doesn't seem to be counting kills properly even with letting teammates full kill them when marked

[distant cloak]

Hey, I'm running strikers build with coyotes mask, I've got 45% crit chance and 167% crit damage, do I need to drop some crit damage to get my crit chance up abit?

[versed summit]

Optimally with coyotes you want to be at 50ish.

So sounds like you could trade a critical damage mod and hit 51% critical chance

[distant cloak]

I'll do that cheers 👍

[honest helm]

Today's goal is to get a Backfire and try to make some form of build for it.

[meager fog]

There are plenty of builds for it in the pinned google doc

[honest helm]

Guessing the one under Strikers wouldn't work for common play? That has two pieces I've wanted to use lol

[meager fog]

Yeah it works fine

[shut atlas]

I have a crit heartbreak build and I’m trying to find out what skills to use, currently I’ve got the crusader shield but no idea what to have as my second

[meager fog]

Decoy/Drone/Banshee Pulse whatever you want really

[versed summit]

Reviver hive, decoy or even artificer hive

[shut atlas]

Thank you, I’ll experiment with them

[honest helm]

Oh? Awesome the grind continues

[fossil crag]

@tawny fox I got you fam this is the new flacvor of striker the chest is P-oblit its mean

[copper yarrow]

For the Umbra talent, the Chest piece increases RPM even further and bag increases armor regen right?

[quartz herald]

Any recommended builds for shotguns? I think spec should be firewall for shotguns too right?

[magic pilot]

Firewall+ hunters fury

Or if you want to use something like ACS you can go strikers

[quartz herald]

noted, yup reading on the materials and will check the spreadsheet here

[magic pilot]

Intimidate+ ad rush is probably your best bet, I'd consider running with 2-3 armor cores for the shield tiers

[foggy imp]

In general for an lmg will health damage be better than damage to armor

Or is it pretty negligible

[onyx sage]

yeah but for most cases you want chc

in general you use chc or rof, health damage is if you're dealing with specific enemies with only health but that's not a general case