td2-build-advice

[subtle bluff]

You want to do Retal?

[solar sable]

;-; one minute plz

[true oak]

for now i am doing solo control points heroic so i can unlock everything cuz i am new player

[astral kraken]

yea go with overdogs

[true oak]

okay thank you

[true oak]

what about the skills ?

[solar sable]

whatever you like, Rev Hive, Emp sticky, foam chem, shield... so many options

[true oak]

and for the guns lex is better right ?

[lost wren]

st elmo is for sustain and some cc with shock ammo
lexi is best burst dps

[astral kraken]

try both and see what you like more. elmo has better mag damage and faster reload. lexi has more burst dps.

i flip flop between both depending on the mood

[lost wren]

i still stick with st elmo because of that sustain but lexi is very good if you need something dead

[true oak]

i really like the st elmo cuz the killer talent only 10 secs duration

[solar sable]

not if you're constantly killing

[lost wren]

in solo killer should be up a solid amount but if you're not a fan you can probably run measured or strained
i like measured more

[astral kraken]

join us

[hazy steeple]

Forever and ever?

[true oak]

dang measured looks so cool i just read it is it better then killer ?

[lost wren]

killer i think is better but measured is a close second and is more comfortable imo

really either work for any difficulty

[true oak]

i see

[hazy steeple]

@astral kraken the auto-mod doesn't like the emoji shapes, for whatever reason.
I think it's the ends of each hand can resemble....something else.

[lost wren]

added benefit that measured can always work when you're in groups while killer works far better in solo

[true oak]

okay this is the final result thx for the help guys i really appreciate it

have a good day all

[lost wren]

ye this is pretty much what the normal build is now
ceska ob might be better for your shd level but i think it should be fine

[limber herald]

I have the same assault rifle and shotgun equipped, both are awesome

[solar sable]

you too m8!

[astral kraken]

haha that's ok, i figured it was something like that

[limber herald]

Yesterday I went to Brooklyn without realizing I could, so I leveled up to 40, I was surprised

[true oak]

i forgot to ask i need to keep the critical hit chance at 50% not higher right ?

[hazy steeple]

The hard cap for CHC (crit chance) is 60%, but if you're using the mid Coyotes buff: 50-55% is fine. Don't go below that range, above is a waste.

[true oak]

i am using this one

[hazy steeple]

Then just disregard the latter half of the sentence in the case of your build.

[true oak]

okay thx

[wise patio]

Any builds spreadsheet to work on after brroklyn

[solar sable]

it's pinned in this channel

[kind epoch]

does woNY have any set difficulty?

[solar sable]

i think it's story FTC

[kind epoch]

ah ok

[wise patio]

Link pls

[wise patio]

Not able to open it

Google docs won't load

[subtle bluff]

You on Desktop or mobile?

[true oak]

hmm guys i think i have a problem how can i survive with that build ? enemies keep one shot me

[solar sable]

take cover without vaulting, shoot from a medium distance and kill without leaving them a chance to even look at you

[true oak]

any more tips ? cuz with even full dps build i think i am not dealing not high dmg u know what i mean ?

[solar sable]

and just learn by trial and error

[wise patio]

Mobil

[cosmic hedge]

Best dps for your usual AR/Smg builds is always striker, the chest is hard to get the stacks up.. but if paired with the backpack it’s the best damage in the game tbh

Tipping scales is just downright broken for damage if you like LMGs… but for survivability, always run the Gunner specialization for 10% AOK

[cerulean smelt]

or switch up one piece with a semi hard to find chance/damage Palisades piece

[cerulean smelt]

it's understandable, if you're fresh to the game. sub optimal builds because you haven't gotten all or most of your library with maxed attributes for you builds

[subtle bluff]

you have to DL the GDoc GSheet apps

[true oak]

okay look i think i found out some thing i think its not about cover i think its about take a good angle am i right ?

[astral kraken]

watch this guide:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icefaiNDguE

[astral kraken]

actually watch part 1 first:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oooxss2UpK0

[solar sable]

use a physical principle to your advantage which involves angles and stuff yea

[true oak]

okay will watch it now

[true oak]

guys is umbra initative good gear set ?

[meager fog]

It's fine

[meager fog]

Take cover without using the cover mechanic where possible. Use the environment to hide your agent and find angles to fire where you take minimal chip damage in return.

Shoulderswap is criminally underused by most inexperienced agents too. Learn to use it

[true oak]

trying to do that from time to time infact i am getting use to striker right now

[meager fog]

They're just habits, if you develop good habits you'll eventually do them without thinking

[true oak]

the thing is striker not my style cuz it pure dps for glass canon play style but for me i really like being tank and run and gun thats why its kinda difficult forme right now

i just need some time i guess

[cerulean smelt]

game isn't CSGO/COD style where you can't take cover and survive

[subtle bluff]

I'm the same

[meager fog]

Unfortunately, tank isn't really a thing in this game outside of very specific scenarios.

Enemies aggro the player dealing the most damage, which also happens to be the glass cannons lol

[true oak]

i see

[cerulean smelt]

nods armor (tank) builds are completely useless except in 1 spot that always comes to my mind and that's Iron Horse 2nd boss encounter i think?

[true oak]

so all players just run dps builds ?

[cerulean smelt]

red or yellow dps builds

[true oak]

red for me cuz i like to shoot

[cerulean smelt]

even if you did go the full armor (blue) on striker you'd do a lot less damage than another that has maybe 1 or 2 blues in their build

[subtle bluff]

you can put on a few blue core to feel safer just to note if you're gonna repair that much the more chance of them flanking you will happen

[meager fog]

Red or yellow dps, sometimes a couple of blue doesnt hurt.

You can run healer builds that help in group content

But tank just doesnt work in general PvE

[subtle bluff]

players that want to effect the game well.

😂

You can be "tougher" but there's a balance.

End story bullets hurt. You do not want to take too many bullets

[true oak]

hmm can i ask something ? why not striker backpack and ar with killer talent to do more dmg ?

[subtle bluff]

Striker BP is on

Just skinned differently.

We want the mag dmg since in leggo things have A lot more HP

[true oak]

what is that ?

[subtle bluff]

ohhh right this is Vigilance BP

This is a few season ago too

Not my clip I just saved from our friend here

[true oak]

i see

[true oak]

since pure dps is everything is there any thing else to do here to deal more dmg ?

[subtle bluff]

You have the meta build

[smoky latch]

"Impossible they wipe my armor like that. Impossible." - Random Division player in legendary, 2025

I love it

[cerulean smelt]

they all go down, you come in resucue them but they still run it like "we're invincible" and go down again 😹

dunno how you guys even go in there and want to stay 😹

[reef nova]

Are there only 2 weapons with Perfect Streamline? The SMG and the assault rifle?

[astral kraken]

• max out your watch
• make sure you chc and chd is setup correctly

[astral kraken]

DPS isn't everything, but it's the most important role in a team. Most teams are DPS starved because people just aren't running good DPS builds. So most of the time you'll help your team the most by running DPS.

I should point out though... you're being a little mislead here.

Tank is absolutely a thing outside of raids and can be very effective. It's only useless when there are no other DPS players on the team. But if you have 2-3 DPS players then a tank support can be a very effective part of the team.

Also, enemies do not just target whoever is doing the most damage. This is a bit of a lie people tell new players to encourage them to play DPS and discourage them from playing the classic MMO style tank.

Enemies will definitely prioritize what's close to them and if a tanky player pushes a spawn point then the DPS can burn everything down while enemies are focused on the tank (@strong cave can back me up here).

Running blue cores with a strong shield can be a very effective build too. It allows exactly the play style you're interested in (run and gun, get in the action) but it's very difficult to play. You need to memorize spawns, prioritize enemies, and a bunch of other stuff. It will never be the fastest way to clear content but it does work. I've done it and I've seen people do it (and I'm a glass red player primarily).

[true oak]

@astral kraken i see thank you

[astral kraken]

There are a lot of interesting play styles in this game. Any non-DPS playstyle is only good because it supports DPS. That's why it's good to learn DPS first so when you do run a support build (if you have enough DPS on the team) then you know how to support your team (because you know DPS).

[subtle bluff]

Like I said.. It's a balance. DPS is still King. Supports are used in group settings.

oops that was said to someone else

Learning how to do good DPS well will teach what other playstyle are available to do.

1/3 this game is learning how the AI works.

[astral kraken]

^ exactly

[true oak]

dang the decoy is really helpful

[cerulean smelt]

aside the video i just witnessed of someone going in to help 3 tank builds in legendary and they're statement "no way they can shred through my armor" kind of thing. i know a tank can run out of the raid, but only 2 immenence can help you generate "threat" but i don't think it's useful in a tankish build honestly
so until i've seen it with my own eyes of a tank build doing a good job of managing threat, tank out of raid is still iffy

[astral kraken]

That was my video 😄 The problem there was that it was a team of 3 tanks. They were dying a lot in legendary and their solution was lots of blue cores and PFE. But that's not a solution b/c the DPS is missing.

[meager fog]

Decoy is very good, as are assault drones and turrets for drawing enemy attention

[astral kraken]

Like everything else there's a way to do it poorly.

Which 95% of the time is the case; people don't tank because they actually want to be an effective tank build. They tank because of skill issues and tanking doesn't fix skill issues.

[cerulean smelt]

trust me, i've tried to make some sort of tank build. they always failed me 😹
like a pure blue, headshot damage build with doctor home to run around picking up trophies "before they changed it" it works but it's tough if you have to get the kills for those trophies 😹

[meager fog]

Threat is kind of an up in the air mechanic and nobody knows 100% how it works.

There are certain things that are known, but not how much each action actually affects it

[cerulean smelt]

i feel with Immenence there's some sort of hidden range in that increased threat

[meager fog]

It could be as simple as X action provides X amount of threat towards a hidden meter, but wearing that gives 60% more to filling the meter.

It could be that you start at 60% so makes it easier to draw aggro faster.

[cerulean smelt]

not sure how you stayed in that group. seeing 2 of them going down immediately after you saved them. i would've been like "nope, i'm gone" 😹

nods like i picture you have 2 immenence on. you run into a group that's like in a half circle and shoot one with Cooler, would just make them focus on you even if you didn't do damage, but until the glass cannon user kills 2 of htem. they stop focusing on your and start focusing on the glass cannon user. so you gotta do something to make refocus on you kind of deal

[astral kraken]

I matchmake leggo a lot haha. I really enjoy running with various builds b/c it makes every mission feel fresh and challenging in its own way. I always end up running glass red because that's usually what the team needs.

It's true that the majority of tank builds in leggo are pretty useless. But I've seen a handful of really good tank players (I remembered their names, that's how rare it is) which opened my eyes to that play style.

[true oak]

does anyone of u guys know how to farm those materials ?

[cerulean smelt]

rikers i believe, i fyou go into your inventory resources and highlight it (think mouse over works) you'll get a description of which faction drops those the most

[strong cave]

I can 100% back this up @true oak . Purple and I have run a legendary DUA via random matchmaking together. I had a full "tank" setup but I was using Perfect Vanguard + Galvanized. While I didn't do the most damage, I definitely did the most beneficial support to the group. While I wasn't healing them, I kept their armor up nearly 100% of the time. And, using Scorpio, I kept them fairly crowd controlled. I would use banshee pulse to mass control waves of enemies, thus giving the DPS players plenty of time to kill them all. Not one of us went down the entire time AND we cleared it within 15m

[astral kraken]

Yep. And I don't need a lot of time to wipe a spawn as DPS. I just need like 5 seconds of being able to shoot without being shot back.

[strong cave]

I would also purposely proc my shield for vanguard at spawns too with chungas so I can use the invincible part for 5s to fully tank chunga miniguns. Gives the DPS players plenty of time to shred helmets

[cerulean smelt]

but most people will say. get the Blueprint and craft them 😹

[strong cave]

I have my build set for playing ultra aggressive. You can make other ones that allow casual running around. Mine prioritizes giving team benefits while others might prioritize tanking + damage (ad rush + intimidate setups on PFE builds)

[cerulean smelt]

after the nerf to it, i gave up on that combo of talents and try others 😹

[strong cave]

Basically, in a nutshell, my stupidity of running towards the entire spawn of enemies is what rewards the DPS players with armor and crowd controlled enemies to shoot. Win win

[cerulean smelt]

me in a nut shell of being stupid and running towards the enemies. i'll even attempt it to take cover where they take cover so they stand up and start moving away from me 😹

[true oak]

any help here

[cerulean smelt]

i answered your question here #td2-build-advice message
even here #td2-build-advice message

[true oak]

oh yea sorry did not notice

[cerulean smelt]

i had the points to craft them, so i'd often just craft them 😹

[true oak]

the things is i need to do a lot of control points to unlock it

[cerulean smelt]

nods not fun, but you'll get there eventually

[strong cave]

I'd recommend doing retaliation so you can farm and get the blueprints from the control points. It's what I'm having my gf do

[true oak]

hmm sry but what is retaliation ?

[strong cave]

Basically it's a timed activity where you go from control point to control point capturing them from 1 faction of enemy you "enrage". It allows targetable loot farming AND for new players to farm the blueprints at the same time

If you open your map and navigate to retaliation, any red outlined areas are available for retaliation. You enrage factions by completing missions with the factions, bounties of the faction, or killing members of the faction

[astral kraken]

This isn't the best example but it's the best I could dig up in a short amount of time.

This was an extremely sloppy push to the back of the encounter where 2 players didn't know the strat and were off in narnia in the beginning. The tank stayed with me which was good by him.

A few things to notice:

1. At 15 seconds he pops open/closed his shield to give me bonus armor. This saves me from being health gated by the first drone hit. The second drone hit would have killed me otherwise, but it only health gates me.

2. At 26 seconds the purple and elite all focus the tank. The elite continues focusing the tank even though I'm dumping a whole mag into him. This is what I mean when say "enemies focus biggest damage dealer" is misleading. Eventually the elite would have switched to me, but the tank bought enough time for me to kill him.

3. At 1 minute the elite minitank is actually grenading AntMan, not me. The minitank would have focused on our tank player otherwise. The trick for me (as DPS) is to hide for 1-2 seconds so that aggro switches. Or pixel peek around edges. When I do this the enemies will focus the tank. AntMan was standing in the complete open so thats why enemies focused on him instead of the tank.

4. At 1:08 the purple minitank almost destroys our tank player (guess where my name comes from) but that just gave me the time to kill purple minitank without taking any shots back.

If we were just 2 DPS players there we'd both be dead to drone spam and the two guys that rushed us. It was basically a failed push (b/c the other 2 players didn't follow us or draw any aggro) and the tank kept us alive through it.

I want to emphasize that this is not the most efficient way to run that strat. But in matchmaking hoping for the most efficient play is kind of wishful thinking. If the other 2 players were running DPS and played it correctly then it would play out much more smoothly.

I'd have to dig through more videos but I have examples of smooth clears that were helped by a good tank player. As long as the DPS players aren't standing in the wide open and stick to medium range the tank can hold a lot of aggro.

Anyway enough of my yapping!

[subtle bluff]

There's a lot there I could say too.

As someone that likes to support (rarely gets to...) I could of prevent all of that and not by chance.

[astral kraken]

Yep. You'd have kept them totally busy and there'd be no drone spam.

We did get a little unlucky with how quickly she started spamming. She usually waits a bit or runs away.

[shy willow]

Eclipse my beloved

Lord bless me with good DPS players

[true oak]

u are using decoy and what ? what is that skill ?

[subtle bluff]

Decoy and EMP Sticky

[astral kraken]

EMP sticky and decoy. The average loadout of champions!

[subtle bluff]

and underated by most

[true oak]

what does it do ? the emp sticky ?

[astral kraken]

The amount of people using EMP pulse is too damn high.

[astral kraken]

• Makes warhounds go to sleep for some time
• Blocks legendary chunga backpacks from hiving you
• Staggers enemies (sometimes)
• Disables minitanks (sometimes)

[true oak]

looks like i do not have it in my skills list maybe i need to do more missions

[astral kraken]

Basically it's a good combo because decoy deals with soldier aggro and EMP sticky deals with robot aggro

[true oak]

dang looks good

[astral kraken]

You get it from the Jupiter manhunt mission in Roosevelt. Go to Roosevelt mission and toggle mission mode until you get Jupiter.

[true oak]

hmm can u take a pic for skill plz ?

[astral kraken]

dunno what you mean

[subtle bluff]

Gonna be a lil blunt. You should go try them out in game

[true oak]

its okay i will just go to do the mission

[subtle bluff]

and see some of this after learning so much

[astral kraken]

agree, lots of info all at once haha

[subtle bluff]

everything is in game at the guy

plaay some and come back.

Leave you this. Since it's a heroic run.

You can see the limits of what can be done. This is the old meta build but it still shows.

If you want a easier build this is one of the strongest solo builds

with knowledge and Memento you can do a lot

[true oak]

was trying this and test memento while it max and striker backpack still the way to go

[subtle bluff]

uH?

[true oak]

i mean i did test the momento max dmg with striker set but striker backpack still do more dmg

[subtle bluff]

um... k?
Yes and no but anyways...

Not the point I was getting with...

[shy willow]

What he's tryna say is memento is incredibly versatile and an invaluable piece to have when playing solo

Even if you're not damagemaxxing you're getting a slew of other bonuses

[true oak]

oh okay now i understand

@subtle bluff my bad

[subtle bluff]

I posted both clips to show something.

[scenic whale]

it's also absolutely goated into quadcopters if you ever fight em. I remember a roosevelt finale where we just chain EMP sticky'd the 2 bosses and won easily

works on some turret types with power boxes too, absolute must have for going against BT

[astral kraken]

Just had a run with a good tank player. This is a much better example of it working well. Notice how pretty much all of the aggro is on them for most of that clear. You still need good DPS to follow up but it just makes my life so much easier.

[subtle bluff]

Then there's me... 😐

Not me streaming but me going in...

P. Tank got to see some of it today but a more DPS focus version of it

[astral kraken]

One more clip from the next encounter. Fire grenades kept up the CC, scorpio was hitting all the right targets.

The other guy next to me was running some low damage heartbreaker thing. All he could do was give himself bonus armor and that's it. If that dude was running a good DPS build then we'd kill everything at the door.

[astral kraken]

I love this clip and the guy's reaction 😄

I'm not a big fan of tank builds. My name is making fun of them. But I think as a community we should be honest about what's possible because there are so many ways to enjoy this game and still be efficient.

[subtle bluff]

Same boat.

[hexed steppe]

can get much more disrupt opportunity if emp sticky is paired with bluescreen 🦜

[scenic whale]

My classic tag all the dudes and drop a hive or fire the EMP off into the void

[true oak]

is it really true that countdown challenging diff drop same loot as heroic ?

[hexed steppe]

yup @scenic whale

[astral kraken]

False! Heroic has better rolls for sure. But the chances of wiping are higher so you have to choose between quality (better rolls) or quantity (more loot).

Run 10 of each and record how many times each one fails. I bet heroic will fail a lot more.

[true oak]

but has better rolls ?

[hexed steppe]

thats old text that applied to countdown when it was only 1 difficulty to select, which is the same as challenging now. overall rolls are better in cd but heroic still has higher average

[astral kraken]

Yea better minimum rolls. Both difficulties can still drop god rolls. But in challenging the worst rolls are... worse. If that makes sense.

[subtle bluff]

To add lil more context to what P. Tank is preaching: This is as far as Legendary/Master content some of the hardest content in the game.
As far as builds and gameplay wise for this: If you can effect the battlefield by either taking things off the field or helping/allowing others to do so easier then you are helping push to clear the content.

There 2 types of tanks imo: A Selfish Tank (one that just stays upright) and a Support Tank

[hazy steeple]

The idea of Countdown is to go as fast as you can, to gain the most amount of loot possible.
Heroic has better rolls overall, but the difference between Heroic and Challenging is fairly marginal, and the enemies are tankier in Heroic, so your best bet for a public group is just Challenging.

[hexed steppe]

is it still double credits cd event currently?

[astral kraken]

nope

[hexed steppe]

awe man

thats too bad.

[true oak]

not anymore

[astral kraken]

Personally I'd always run heroic but I didn't get upset if it failed sometimes. I'm really cheap when it comes to materials and try to save those as much as possible (you have to optimize less with most heroic drops).

Some people get really angry when countdown fails. I just find it funny

[hexed steppe]

generally challenging is gonna be more rewarding if its all randoms. you only get credits from completions

[astral kraken]

Don't you get some credits if you picked up hunter tags?

Even if it fails?

[true oak]

i am looking for rolls for now so heroic the way to go for me

[astral kraken]

Do your thing. Challenging is always there if you need it. It's good to experience this stuff for yourself when making up your mind IMO.

[hazy steeple]

It's worth noting that the rolls in Challenging Countdown are generally, better than the rolls in other Challenging content.
As we like to say: it's Challenging + and Heroic +, in terms of loot rolls.

[astral kraken]

Yea it's not like challenging drops trash loot

[hazy steeple]

You honestly get so many loot bits in a Chall' CD that you won't notice much of a difference.
30-50 is my usual average, with most being Targeted.

So make sure you have loads of free space going in.

[subtle bluff]

as you get better and learn you can take on harder content that has better chances for better rolls.

More than sure that was mention clearing CD allows you to use the vendor so you can get exo and named caches. The quicker you clear the more you can get of these. On that that's the same on the loot the more loot that drops the chances of getting better rolls.

Prefect optimize gear while your learning and leveling ,does not make a huge difference.

Do w/e works. GL HF.

[surreal stream]

I'd gone to bed but thanks for the offers

[hexed steppe]

I dont think so. Ill have to double check when I get home. I remember not getting credits, but its possible that has changed.

[onyx sage]

joo's brain growing 5x for the new year

🤯

[true oak]

thank you XD

[onyx sage]

wait... armor doesn't work???

[true oak]

guys is there any good build for scorpio shotgun ? really like this weapon

[onyx sage]

either hunter's fury or striker if you want more damage, but it's primarily used for support now, its damage was hella nerfed

[true oak]

dang

this is not gonna work ?

[lone ore]

Does the the shroud just drop in retaliations, countdown, summit and exotic caches?

[meager acorn]

will work but try thorn instead scorpio

[astral kraken]

youtuber builds are usually clown tier

there are a few exceptions but just stick to the build spreadsheet

or this list: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nOwUSECa-1iLhET-mW04u6oMBdIdMjFjB2Ie25ziEA/edit?usp=sharing

if you really wanna use scorpio just find an HF shotty build and swap in scorpio

[astral kraken]

yea this youtuber has no idea what he's doing

and he's misleading the community with that clickbait nonsense

[true oak]

i see

[onyx sage]

build youtubers do not have your best interests in mind. the real players lurk and post speedruns

[meager fog]

I do love that generic clickbait title. Its so on point lol

[lost wren]

is this who i think it is

oh wow it actually isn't

[onyx sage]

DESTROYS ENEMIES

man i should title my april fools video with that

[meager fog]

The only thing that build is missing is a NBB

[true oak]

dang those builds looks cool why u did not send that eary bro XD

[true oak]

so not a good idea following this guy k got it

[surreal stream]

Is there a rifle/mmr that's decent with Striker? Thinking I want to swap out my AA-12 for something with serious reach for open world stuff

[hexed steppe]

as long as you stack with your ar/lmg then m1a cqb is a really solid rifle

with boomerang ofc

[surreal stream]

Perfect. It's basically for picking off the stragglers when the AI decides to keep its distance

oh hey I've even got a SOCOM M1A with Boomerang on it in my stash

[hexed steppe]

socom is less dps.

[surreal stream]

fair but I don't have a CQB in inventory

[hexed steppe]

classic is higher, but cqb is best with good mod slots

[hexed steppe]

looks like its time to farm one

[surreal stream]

I'll add it to the list lol. Still need to get my Striker pieces with a max roll on 'em

[onyx sage]

i think cqb is also craftable

[hexed steppe]

you may consider negotiators dilemma. you use same pieces as you do striker, highend chest and overdogs or coyote

[surreal stream]

does the accuracy stat actually matter when scoped in or should I go full crit attachments?

[hexed steppe]

full crit

the only other stat that matters are hsd for headshot builds, and stability, also for headshot builds

[surreal stream]

I would love a high magnification optic that isn't mandatory

[hexed steppe]

always run chance on your weapons first, set the gear after. if there is no way to not overcap crit chance after the gear is set, then you swap a weapon mod to chd. pressing tab on c79 crit chance scope zooms it in

[surreal stream]

so I think I'm missing attachments then

my only magnified optics are the acog, cqbss, and vx1

[hexed steppe]

look at the crafting bench and see if any need to be crafted, locate what youre missing after and itll tell you the source for the blueprint

[surreal stream]

I just needed to actually craft that one. though it's still only a 3.4x

[hexed steppe]

yeah, its bis

[surreal stream]

but I guess putting that on the Caretaker might just solve my problem outright without needing to ditch the Stack Builder™

[hexed steppe]

i dont ever worry about stacks with nego 😎

[surreal stream]

also just realized I'd forgotten to craft like a dozen muzzle mods

and the c79 even has a good reticle

though the aesthetics leave much to be desired. weapon transmog when, Massive?

[hexed steppe]

it happens with claiming commendations too 😉

this was such a missed opportunity to use crocs as the icon instead of the car

[surreal stream]

wait is that why I've been having trouble keeping up with my teammates in Countdown?

[hexed steppe]

yes, quickstep pistol

[surreal stream]

I thought I was losing it like, "Wait do you really run faster with a pistol out?!" 😂

[onyx sage]

only thing i dislike about it is just that it's exclusive to events

[hexed steppe]

at least is wasnt a single drop like lex was in the beginning

swimming in quicksteps

3rd alt outfitted with this build XD, 1 more to go

it aint nego, but its still pretty good

[meager fog]

Finally managed to get the Lengmo pieces I wanted thanks to Krampus lol..... but CoCo makes it kind of pointless. Still fun though

[true oak]

hey droky how is it going

[astral kraken]

droky

[onyx sage]

smells like droke in here

[candid depot]

i got the bighorn, whats a good build for it?

[lost wren]

even though i don't intend to use striker chest would this be a standard striker chest build now?

[lost wren]

it's usually reserved as a pvp weapon but i think striker with hsd should be fine(?)

[astral kraken]

Funny you should ask. Just yesterday I did a few comparisons for Lexington:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RrdWrGXJQECOqH7qJU9VgNi1TxoB4i2vNELDCsgnRzs/edit?usp=sharing

[cerulean smelt]

looks like Dien's Alt 😹

[astral kraken]

But yea that's pretty much what you wanna do I think. Ceska is more mag damage and sustain though... so if you're leaning into that maybe Ceska.

I still think Salvo is worth it b/c it builds stacks so much faster.

[lost wren]

ye especially with stack broker

[astral kraken]

Thats said I still deleted that build from my loadouts. Any time I'm using striker chest like that I'm just going to use backfire anyway.

[lost wren]

makes sense

[astral kraken]

There's no place I can think of where it makes sense to use it without backfire. We did an incursion run yesterday (where I use the chest) and I just ran backfire there too.

Same for heroic countdown.

[cerulean smelt]

@astral kraken especially how they ran up to bait them to melee them and just have them bashing air 😹

[astral kraken]

it is indeed the mark of a true gentleman

and dien is the most gentlemanly of them all

[astral kraken]

yea exactly. except you might want a shield for just as a little buffer when you're building up stacks.

i also have an equalizer version next to it. the difference is noticeable.

like when i did capitol with it... i ran the first half with equalizer and the second half with striker chest

[cerulean smelt]

i decided to alter my stiker build to be salvo + Equalizer and it's awesome. had to figure out the CHC bit to make sure i was in the threshhold still

[astral kraken]

yea it's really good

[lost wren]

yeah that's the current build i usually use
sometimes i replace salvo with od but i like my consistency

[meager fog]

I really like 2pc named UA, it's fantastic with Measured

[cerulean smelt]

i'll probably try a frenzied one just for the laughs

[meager fog]

#td2-build-advice message

Although this isn't too far behind Coco, with less setting up I guess

[lost wren]

measured is such a fun talent regardless

[meager fog]

Its my go to now. Once you get used to the rof change its nice.

[smoky latch]

Is there a reason many players choose the basic converted Tec-9 over the A2 variant?

[solar sable]

A2 variant is somewhat worse from the regular Tac-9

[smoky latch]

So basically as it is with other gun subtypes, minimal difference in accuracy and stability?

[solar sable]

or at least is something that I vaguely remember

[smoky latch]

I never used them and I don't have any, just noticed that it's usually a basic Tec9

[onyx sage]

extra mod slot is mostly useless

[smoky latch]

Yeah that made me skeptical ^^

[onyx sage]

it's not like you can put crit damage on it or anything, either chc or accuracy. the non-a2 has more base damage

[smoky latch]

Gotcha, thanks

[meager fog]

Sorry was ordering food lol. AP already answered though. Standard SMG9 has higher base damage and no underbarrel slot. CHC is high enough so it's not needed and it's mainly just to be used for a close range bullet hose.

[smoky latch]

I use Vectors usually; gonna farm a Tec9 and see myself

[meager fog]

I like the Vector, but the mag size is a bit meh

[smoky latch]

45 isn't much and the RoF is higher, ya

[meager fog]

I know it's only a few rounds less than the SMG 9, but the mag damage is low and iirc the Vector has a fairly slow reload?

[smoky latch]

The Vector 9mm has 52 rounds but a much lower base damage

The RPM don't make really up for it

Could also be my aim :p

[onyx sage]

the smg-9's main strong point is mag damage

[smoky latch]

Sold me on this one

[meager fog]

You tried it? It's a really nice gun.

[smoky latch]

I got one and optimized it. Damage per hit is nice and so far tested it on the range only. Gonna try a mission

[cerulean smelt]

think only one i tried was the named one with Perfect talent on it

[meager fog]

#td2-build-advice message

2pc UA and Measured, thanks me later lmao

[smoky latch]

This is currently my main build

I'll run 2x UA some more and see how it feels

[cerulean smelt]

i enjoyed it

[meager fog]

Thats what I use mostly now, but when I was playing around with Measured. Using the Salvo Holster was alot of fun

[cerulean smelt]

measured SMG9?

[smoky latch]

In group play sometimes Measured feels better

With an extra 10% RoF probably even better

[meager fog]

Measured Lexington, and mostly Unwavering SMG9.

But I do play around with Measured SMG9 now and again

Measured is go to for group play. Killer can be difficult to keep up.

[smoky latch]

If you play with players who know what they're doing for sure

[cerulean smelt]

considering you won't always get the kill needed

[meager fog]

I feel like Strained would get more use if it had Stack decay rather than a reset on reload

[cerulean smelt]

would've been awesome if they did that to the perfect version

[meager fog]

I still love Cold relations

[cerulean smelt]

that's a pp weapon right?
or was that mpx?

[meager fog]

PP-19

If only there was some way to slow down ROF so it could actually hit its talent ceiling 🤣

[kind epoch]

I think measured kills as fast as killer. I tried both in CD. Measured somehow kicks in some kind of status effect using OD?

But I’ve seen people annihilate with bluescreen and I’ve no clue how

[meager fog]

Using OD you get hollowpoint rounds when you kill something that has a status effect on it. Hollow point rounds cause bleed and amplify damage by 20%

50% if you use the OD chest (which you should be)

You don't actually NEED to kill the enemy, just hit them 3 times to apply the mark, everyone gets HP rounds when they die with the mark

[cerulean smelt]

OD user just has to mark them, any player can do the killing to make it happen within that small window of time

oh is it 3 hits? thought it was just a hit to mark them? 🤔

[meager fog]

Takes more than one hit, I believe it's 3. Just a second

[smoky latch]

Killer beats Measured in terms of damage, the "issue" is just that you need kills to keep up the buff; and you don't always get the kill in group play. Measured is still great but it works more reliably in group play and is recommended there

[meager fog]

Killer remains BiS for solo builds

[cerulean smelt]

maybe this is incorrect? was thinking you had to just mark them while they had a status effect on them

[meager fog]

That also states that "killing a marked enemy..." when it should say "when a marked enemy dies"

[cerulean smelt]

true, but isn't this word for word from the game description as well?
so maybe the OD has to do 2 hits. one to apply the bleed from OD a second to mark, 3rd mark just makes sure you hit them incase they do some odd agent bullet dodging 😹

[kind epoch]

Yeah I’m running 4pc OD with tinkerer and ceska bag

[kind epoch]

Ah that would make a lot more sense

[meager fog]

So it is one hit, just tested it with Rifle OD.

However, since the majority of the time you need 2 hits because you need to apply the bleed first.

[kind epoch]

That’s probably what I was noticing. I have 2 249s to switch around both talents so I’ve been rotating them

[smoky latch]

Can use Tinkerer for that ^^

[kind epoch]

You run rifle with OD?

[meager fog]

First shot applies the bleed, which takes a second to appear. Using a high ROF gun this means theres a delay to applying the mark. On average 3 hits from an LMG

[kind epoch]

It doesn’t help with the elite in the beginning 😭 I do no damage lolol

[meager fog]

Rifle OD is good fun, hits like a truck

[kind epoch]

But with a low rpm rifle though? I’m still using the m700, have been swapping the merciless with 249 lately for secondary

[cerulean smelt]

especially now that they're auto firing?

[smoky latch]

If I use rifles then with OD

[meager fog]

I use M16, burst fire is nice and it has less kick

[meager fog]

M700 is an MMR, we're talking about Rifles.

[kind epoch]

Are there any that’s semi auto and good dps? I’ve been farming rifles on the side

[subtle bluff]

You cannot 1 shot to keep OD up

[smoky latch]

Rifles are auto by now, you can tap your LMB if you want semi

[cerulean smelt]

as dorky said m16 is semi 3 burst shot, to me merciless is kind of similar in that you press the button to shoot and hold it so you don't take another shot afterwards

[subtle bluff]

Other than M16 and a few others.

[kind epoch]

It would be clutch of merciless was stronger. I really like the rifle but sometimes it feels forever to kill with it

[cerulean smelt]

dunno if 1886 is semi or they just have a delayed firing effect as you're reloading via pulling a handle forward on it kind of deal

[kind epoch]

That one has always been single for me. I’ve never had a time where I have the button pressed and it fires a second time. Feels quicker clicking and releasing 😂

[subtle bluff]

It's the best for DPS.

[cerulean smelt]

i use mine in a determined HH build so i always just do the 1 shot clicking

[subtle bluff]

I have a run post here if search for videos OD rifles

[cerulean smelt]

i need to change my habit of that though. every one shot HH build i'm running 1886, Handbasket and Harvest

😹 i mistakenly thought chow made a video of him running 1886 Chainkiller alone with 5 grey improvised, but someone posted it and was Soulless oops 😹

for me @subtle bluff @meager fog and Ikia are the resident math nerds in this game 😹 maybe soulless too if they spoke more here. haven't read them in so long i forgot about them

[subtle bluff]

I have a HHF on my yt

[cerulean smelt]

trust me, i went looking at your channel for that build 😹 was like it's not here what happened to it?! until someone posted the video i was looking for and was like oh wrong person

[subtle bluff]

Lol

[cerulean smelt]

i was giving you extra credit for someone else's hard work 😹

[meager fog]

You're giving me more credit than I deserve there lol

Everything I know comes from Chow, Dien, Kestrel and Ikia lol

[cerulean smelt]

well, it's more than me. i always fall asleep when i see numerical formulas

[strange magnet]

hi i got the tinkerer head i like todo 4 peace striker + ceska chest all red core i like to use lexington killer +? what can i use or do you have any other sugestions for me as wep or talents to use fore pure dps

[cerulean smelt]

lexington won't work with tinkerer btw

[smoky latch]

I'd suggest using Tinkerer with LMGs instead of ARs. Also named and exotic item do not work with that mask

[strange magnet]

named items don work?

[cerulean smelt]

it states it in teh description

[solar sable]

It's written in the talent...

[strange magnet]

🙁 than which 2 wep good?

[meager fog]

With Strikers Measured and Killer.

ut I wouldn't recommend using it and it's just worse than other options

[cerulean smelt]

FYI: PTS it was as it's stated but were able to use lexington with it oddly enough 😹 but they patched it before going public

[strange magnet]

police m4 replica maybe ?

[acoustic quarry]

The non-named variants. If you like Lexington, the non-named gun is the Police M4 I believe.

[cerulean smelt]

btw: exotics isn't always something needed in builds. they're just nice to supplement your build if it does

[meager fog]

Tink is Best in Slot for Ongoing Directive, but it's not better than other gear in other builds

[strange magnet]

is there a difrence beetween replica and normal should ic raft or try to get it as sdrop?

[meager fog]

No

[cerulean smelt]

replica is just craftable

[meager fog]

^ Replica just means it was crafted rather than dropped. They used to have lesser stats. This was removed.

[strange magnet]

which talents u offer?

[solar sable]

read this

[acoustic quarry]

As others above me stated; replica just means it was crafted instead of found.

[kind epoch]

all rifles? 😅

[cerulean smelt]

i didn't notice that honestly. just assumed "hey i can craft it instead of mindlessly farming for it 😹

[cerulean smelt]

pretty sure they all hit hard

[meager fog]

It was removed a while ago, but crafted items did used to have worse stats

[solar sable]

OD is very flexible with rifles, use whichever one you prefer

[kind epoch]

oh right, forgot that was mentioned in guide

[cerulean smelt]

i just remember it used to give horrible stats for the longest time

[meager fog]

Rifles have awful kick, which makes them difficult to use.

M16 removes MOST of that kick for lesser damage. For me it's the best of them all, even though it isn't automatic

[strange magnet]

what do you recomend?

[meager fog]

For Strikers?

The best in slot build atm is 4pc Strikers, with Equaliser chest and Overdogs Gloves, with a St Elmos or Police M4/Lexington with Killer for solo and Measured for Group play

It is a very versatile build, and you can use lots of things with it.

I currently have 7 different Strikers load outs for various different things

[strange magnet]

st elmor or lexington better ?

[cerulean smelt]

i just have an equalizer + salvo stiker build using Lexington. not a fan of elmos honestly. too many times i get npcs getting shocked but gliding on the floor to take cover

[meager fog]

Depends on your usage. Lexington gives higher damage.

Elmos has free Crowd Control

[cerulean smelt]

you don't know how tempted i am to doing a NBB with that set up for that 50% magazine size 👀

[strange magnet]

i am currently usng ceska for crit should i change fir equalizer for rate of fire?

[meager fog]

It requires a little changing around, but it's possible to get the crit back at the cost of Crit Damage. The ROF makes up for it though

[cerulean smelt]

if you feel you don't need that extra crit and you make it up else where

[meager fog]

And the extra 4% TWD from perfect Obliterate

[meager fog]

The main reason I like Elmos is the mag size AND the free bullets. Hard to run out of ammo when you basically have a 1,600 round pack

The CC is just a bonus for Spawn locks

[cerulean smelt]

my luck is horrible for those 😹

i gotta find the will to make up a 3 Unit, 3 Arcabuz build for 100% magazine size for the laughs

[meager fog]

That's where changing weapons becomes a thing. Keep an Elmos with a full mag of 'lectric rounds and switch to Lexington until they're needed

[smoky latch]

😬 LMG mag

[cerulean smelt]

is it worth it?

[smoky latch]

155ish CHD, maybe as a support with Elmo but damage is meh

[cerulean smelt]

makes sense. i'd probably try a gunner 50 mag LMG on stoner or GR9 to see how much bullets it'd hold 😹

200 bullet mag on pesti would be amusing no?

[smoky latch]

I bet, gonna try later lol

[worn imp]

Can this here Unicorn work well in anything? xD

maybeeeee Iron lung perhaps?

[meager fog]

Crit Damage and HSD go into the same damage bucket.

Ideally for a piece like that you want Weapon handling and Vigilance.

[worn imp]

no man im talking about builds that specifically synergize The Courier for stat effect spread.

[acoustic quarry]

I use this with Tipping and Iron to crowd control with decent DPS.

[worn imp]

seems like a pretty huge loss of DPS to run tipping and this backpack. Why not just like.... run Ongoing directive cause the Backpack there isnt good anyway

plus u get to spread bleed, but tbf thats already hella easy to do lol

[meager fog]

In which case it wouldnt really be a unicorn.

[worn imp]

wait whats the definition of unicorn? thought it was just to roll against the core twice or three times in a row

think lengmo chest with double crit and obliderate

[meager fog]

A Unicorn is a "perfect piece"

[worn imp]

oh. in my day to day lingo that would be "god roll"

[cerulean smelt]

that's how i see it. needing a drop with the correct attributes so you can change the 1 thing which is usually the core for most pieces

[acoustic quarry]

I have a build for that too. I love LMGs, so that is pretty much all I use when I am not running Refractor set for max DPS.

[worn imp]

seems im not the only one who mightve misunderstood the meaning of unicorn colloquially in this game's theorycraft scene

[subtle bluff]

More or less. But this one is status effect and haste.

[meager fog]

^ that is a unicorn.

It's god rolled, for what it's needed for.

[worn imp]

what.

[cerulean smelt]

when they released that backpack they did have a Exotic Sniper released with it, but that exotic sniper was stashed immediately

[worn imp]

a double crit ceska with max Crit attributes is a unicorn by that definition yeah?

[meager fog]

No, because rarity also factors in.

As Chow said, the unicorn piece for the courier would be status effect and haste

[subtle bluff]

Using creeping death over a dps talent is a waste.

[worn imp]

The unicorn piece will be whatever I want it to be /s

[worn imp]

maybe not for ongoing directive..........................................

[meager fog]

Creeping death is poor for OD

[subtle bluff]

Even more of a waste..

[worn imp]

its not meant for the bleed. just an idea i had cause ya aint gonna use the ongoing BP anyway

but I know wicked is the way to go for OG backpack so... yeah....

[cerulean smelt]

creepign death on EP build is a huge waste as well. i've tried it. fun to spread on application and then spread on their deaths muahahahaha

[subtle bluff]

Like it's only good for EP build since it can eventually self proc

[meager fog]

No, you use Ceska wicked for the amp

[worn imp]

@meager fog

[acoustic quarry]

Considering only 1/7000 players I match with is not using a pure red Strikers, being an AoE constant CC'er w/moderate DPS makes everything much easier. The exception is when we are all red and rip everything as it spawns, when possible.

[subtle bluff]

Who said strikers here?

[worn imp]

😵‍💫 standardstrikersstandardstrikersstandardstrikersstandardstrikersstandardstrikers 😵‍💫

[subtle bluff]

And it's not constant since creeping has a CD and you need to burn thru ammo to get iron lung to proc.

Bluescreen is more constant and a harder cc.

That has its own aoe.

[cerulean smelt]

and i say eventually you try to apply status on them, but between getting applied by creeping then EP might get the immunity quicker

[smoky latch]

When playing with randoms and I'm in CC mood Creeping Death is my choice. Many ppl don't gun down the status affected enemies to spread it

[acoustic quarry]

Iron Lung go brrrr.

[worn imp]

yeah but only half a mag then u can tapfire. I like the idea of running it for Ongoing ngl.

[subtle bluff]

I love Iron Lung.
But using it with Creeping Death is like a sin too me.

[worn imp]

i know they are easy to burn anyway is cause like u just shoot em once or whatever.... But like.... how about running imobilizer bro?? That could be funny ngl

[meager fog]

When Wicked exists. Creeping death loses all validity

[subtle bluff]

What are you going on about with OD..

[cerulean smelt]

if i want to set the world on fire i'd rather have constant EP fire 😹

[subtle bluff]

I love Iron Lung....

Just hate wasting a talent slot vs doing other things better.

[worn imp]

"Quick, Henkz is having another unorthodox build episode, FETCH Chow or Dorky to euthanize him, QUICKLY!!" 🗣️

[subtle bluff]

Idk know what's going on.

Your context is confusing

[meager fog]

I'm lost too

It is NYE, maybe there's alcohol involved?

[cerulean smelt]

dunno, you guys were talking about iron lung and henkz talked about going through 50% mag then tapping the fire button. guess to spread the fire love?

[worn imp]

there is not lol, dont drink

[subtle bluff]

Idk... Shoot kill things and move on.

[cerulean smelt]

that's my motto. and my only concern with building up so it'd set things on fire but you stop, couldn't taht drop the meter so you'd just shoot normal bullets for a time so you really don't get to set things on fire?

[meager fog]

No need to spread a status that doesn't do any damage.

[worn imp]

i was thinking for the cc value. Its like a 3 second long hunters fury stun

[worn imp]

make things harder for yourself by seeking out fun wierdness that sort of works with the build mechanics

[meager fog]

If you build for status, you go all in or nothing in this game.

They're good for CC but you don't need to spread it with Creeping death unless you've built for fire damage

[worn imp]

the fire CC is nice is kinda where i got the idea

[meager fog]

It is, but you're not gaining anything from it.

[subtle bluff]

Issue with this combo thought is when you want it to aoe and it doesn't then what?

[worn imp]

"It was never about the money"

[cerulean smelt]

in pvp, you'd annoy several in the vicinity of who you set on fire 😹

[worn imp]

the hunt is the reward itself, not the feasting to follow 😤

[cerulean smelt]

like the idea myself, but i'm with them. you really gain no extras from doing this aside a small amount of some npcs not firing back

[subtle bluff]

Someone should help reforward my clip of catching everything on fire.

[worn imp]

the amount of negative karma i would accumulate would make me go to the deepest circle of hell hahaha

smol question: damage to armor is an amp right? theres no other source of it by default unless u have it on ur gun, correct?

[foggy imp]

So I saw a video ikea did with tipping scale that the classic m60 with rate of fire on third roll with measured is better than damage to armor. Is that true

[cerulean smelt]

contractor's gloves look them up

[cerulean smelt]

anything Ikia says i'd take as Gospel and not question it

[subtle bluff]

Only when you're hitting armor.

[meager fog]

Ikea however lie regularly and forget to put screws in their boxes

[worn imp]

i know of em. but besides them, no other source, right? tryna ascertain whether or not the second buff of walker harris is a straight up 5% damage increase to white armor bars or not

[worn imp]

the white bars right? not the plates on chungas n shiz?

[subtle bluff]

Doesn't matter now with P. Obli.

[meager fog]

Correct. DTA does not affect Robots or Chunga

[foggy imp]

Yeah I have that chest with overdogs and then the m60 with 5% rate of fire rolled in third with measured. Blue screen as secondary

[meager fog]

Need that CHC roll on M60

[worn imp]

dont care bout em either way, making a sick but kinda cursed Sniper build running immobilize on the Sniper

[cerulean smelt]

i have no clue. i barely watch his videos, but what i have watched of his seems he goes through rigorous tests about things

[foggy imp]

My attachment have crit chance so I’m at 60

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't really matter too much like 2 or 3% difference.
DTA is not better.

[worn imp]

and creeping death. to spread the foam status to others nearby the guy i kill

[meager fog]

It was a joke.

Ikia is a streamer. Ikea is a furniture shop

[foggy imp]

Thank you

[cerulean smelt]

i figured you're like me when you type names out you misplace a letter here and there 😹

and ikia is a human so they are allowed to make mistakes 😹 i just hope after his mistake he's like sorry guys i made a boo boo, let me try this test again 😹

[kind epoch]

iron lung doesn't work with tinkerer right?

[onyx sage]

no cuz exotic

[kind epoch]

since it's an exotic?

should i switch to od mask and swap on overdogs?

[onyx sage]

you can

[cerulean smelt]

noone can tell you no honestly
you'll just be told "it's suboptimal" it's upto you to decide how you go about it

[kind epoch]

i can see it. i have chc on 2/3 possible pieces and then chd for the rest. im still at 57% crit

but im experimenting on challenging, not heroic sooo... 😅

[cerulean smelt]

i only experiment on heroic 😹

[kind epoch]

i can handle heroic but not good enough to activate the talents on heroic consistently yet

[subtle bluff]

Imo go to striker or TS for iron lung. You're losing out on the OD synergy.

[cerulean smelt]

aka, saw roguegold's video on bittersweet i think it was? i also had it as a dead Exotic, but seeing how he explains it a bit more i was like OHHHH! and trying to make a strictly as much skill repair red build to see how much bonus armor i could get on an ally when i shoot them with it 😹

[kind epoch]

i dont have a proper ts setup

[solar sable]

Do it! Just do it!

[subtle bluff]

Other things to do for targeted loot

[kind epoch]

i have a striker's already, have to farm for ts

[west maple]

Happy New Year

[solar sable]

you're gonna love the dmg it deals without any TS stacks, it goes between 500-650k with Iron Lung <- the lmg I main

[foggy imp]

If I have my gun leveled up to 15 and want to reroll to try different builds do I lose the 15 expertise

[subtle bluff]

The exp weapon stays with the weapon. Do not feel the need to expertise for a build. Only expertise weapons and some skills.

Exp is not needed run any build other than for some speedrun stuff

[foggy imp]

Ok thank you

Wanted to try the blue screen with rate of fire on tipping scale

[subtle bluff]

You do not want to do that one.

Bluescreen doesn't come with ANY Crit mods. So it's already crit starved.

If you didn't listen to the reason why iKia says RoF on TS weapons....

The thought is TS builds soo much CHD it's hits kind of diminishing returns on it. Since you make so much CHD taking some away for a other stats (aka RoF) actually increases the overall DPS.

[foggy imp]

Okay so crit chance rolled on blue screen would be the better alternative since I can put crit chance mods on the m60 @subtle bluff

[subtle bluff]

You got it.

[foggy imp]

Crit chance attachments sorry

[subtle bluff]

You don't really need to put on RoF on the weapons now with Equilizer being out.

[foggy imp]

He also talks highly of the mg5 but I haven’t had any good luck drops with that one yet and crafting sucks lol

[subtle bluff]

I haven't done the math TS DPS with the new sets.

I love MG5. Yea I haven't found a good MG5 only MG5 Inf

Reload speed and the handling of the MG5 is great

[foggy imp]

I’ll target loot that for retaliation and see if I have some good new years luck

[subtle bluff]

I've been tempted to do a showcase run with it on killer and strikers to see how it really preforms since I've only used it on OD Trikerer

[foggy imp]

Yeah if I remember correctly he said he used the m249 with his striker

But I could be mistaken

[kind epoch]

hehe i picked up a tdi custom just out of random from a last second retal

[subtle bluff]

It's the reload speed of m249 for how I do my showcase run that kills me.

[foggy imp]

Ah yeah I could see that. His spreadsheet says almost a 5 second reload for that 😳

[candid depot]

what does this headshot dmg mean?

am i healing them?

[onyx sage]

display bug

[hexed steppe]

obv didnt follow the guides

[solar sable]

what a shame, he didn't use nbb 😔

[true oak]

morning everyone i hope you all have wonderful day

[frozen sluice]

Is the stat for my ouroboros good enough for the build or shall I re roll

[true oak]

i think u need dmg to target out of cover not chd

[solar sable]

what build are you talking about?

[cerulean smelt]

was curious myself but probably doesn't matter as DTOC is always going to be the answer regardless of build
i'd just assume it's a striker build or some odd SMG crit build

[hoary atlas]

Which chest brand should im use because i have 4 hunters fury and one memento. Should use Grupo or Sokolov

[cerulean smelt]

how's your chance looking? a ceska chest might help you boost your damage up a extra smidgen, can also have a grupo for just always have more damage instead of say coyotes and worrying about your range for the damage to chance ratio

[meager fog]

It means when you shoot an enemy in the head, they grow an extra one

[wet sky]

Anyone tried this Sniper build?

Tinkerer with Determined and First Blood but Blood doesn't work!

[meager fog]

It deals headshot damage, but it doesnt count as hitting them in the head to proc determined

[wet sky]

Thanks for info 🙏

[meager fog]

You'd be better off using the Hotshot mask with an airaldi vigilance backpack though 👍 higher up front damage

Hotshot backpack isn't very good

[wet sky]

Yeah, I was using that before but wanted to try something new.

[hoary atlas]

Im might be use Grupo because im use Ouroboros

[cerulean smelt]

from my understanding of terms. anything that has specific weapon damage is just added to your damage opposed to using things like contractor's gloves, fox's knees which are multiplicitive. damage from those multiplies your damage. beyond that everything goes over my head

[astral kraken]

just a small (but important) correction: when you say something is multiplicative then it means it's multiplicative with itself. fox's knees provides dttooc which is additive with itself. it's just that dttooc is separate multiplier pool.

it's important because we recommend people get dttooc on their guns. so if your gun has 10% dttooc and you use fox's knees (8% dttooc) then the knees are additive with the 10% dttooc on your gun. resuilting in 18% dttooc.

[lone ore]

Hey guys is there a build for the shroud?

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say hotshot?

[meager fog]

Works with any standard Sniper build like Hotshot

4pc hotshot, Airaldi Vigilance backback and Chainkiller chest

[lone ore]

Yeah that’s what I’m using atm then using hasburgs

[cerulean smelt]

heard if you use overdogs you can get more damage no matter who you shoot it seems as both overdogs and shroud goes in oppisite directions for where you get your damage

[meager fog]

It just requires a slight playstyle change because of the talent on Shroud. Need to be a bit more selective on targets

Or as Soul said, use 3pc Hotshot and Overdogs gloves. Should work too

[lone ore]

That’s the one I’m currently using 3piece hotshot and overdogs with habsburg but didn’t know if there’s anything better

[surreal stream]

Is there a particular reason to do heroic retaliation over countdown for targeted loot?

Is it just that retaliation doesn't have hunters?

[astral kraken]

With countdown you get loot and countdown currency that you can use to buy caches.
With retaliation you get loot, blueprints, and materials for crafting special caches at the crafting bench.

Both are worth running. There are only a handful of blueprints from retaliation completions so it's worth running a bunch of times until you get them all.

[surreal stream]

so for the BPs is coundown difficulty agnostic then?

[astral kraken]

BP as in blueprint or backpack?

[surreal stream]

blueprint. apparently I need more caffeine after last night lol

[astral kraken]

You don't get blueprints from countdown at all unfortunately. Just loot and countdown credits that you can use to buy caches (at the countdown vendor).

[surreal stream]

wow I completely biffed that question. I meant retaliation

[astral kraken]

I don't know actually. I've only ever ran heroic retaliations.

The caches you can craft from retaliation materials don't care about the difficulty since you do that after the retaliation is over anyway.

But I don't know if the blueprint drop rate from retaliation completions is dependent on difficulty.

I also don't know if the materials you gain in retaliation is dependent on difficulty.

[surreal stream]

and is there any more nuanced strategy for retaliation than just rushing the control points?

[astral kraken]

If you're doing it solo then you just need a good DPS build. I've found that negotiator's dilemma with blue screen is the most chill way to play it.

Like this:

[surreal stream]

colorblind settings to make the set pieces blue?

[astral kraken]

Yea. And if glass cannon is too much for you (chest talent) then you can run Equalizer:

If you don't have equalizer you can run ceska with obliterate:

[surreal stream]

wish we could just customize the colors of things independently tbh. the chat channel color choices drive me mad because they're all used in WoW but none of them are the same

[astral kraken]

Or grupo with obliterate:

[surreal stream]

so whatever I do I need to target gloves first

or LMGs

[astral kraken]

Do you have a DPS build?

(like striker)

[surreal stream]

I've got a Striker build at like 90% of full power

[astral kraken]

Do you have a memento backpack? (it's an exotic)

[surreal stream]

no, Acosta's is the only exotic bag I've found

[astral kraken]

Any chest pieces with the obliterate talent?

(like ceska or the equalizer chest)

[surreal stream]

I'm doing the Equalizer/Salvo build with Striker yeah

[astral kraken]

That build is really good for retaliations. If you're struggling it just might b/c playing all red is hard at first. You can run something like this and it'll be more forgiving and only a little slower:

Which I think is easier to farm for than the negotiator's dilemma build. All you'd really need is the memento bag (I'm assuming you already have an elmo).

Then you can use that to farm for the negotiator's build.

Reason is that Heyna retaliations drop a blueprint for the overdogs exotic gloves.

[surreal stream]

so I just pulled the memento blueprint from a hard retal lol

[reef nova]

Not really.
Kill Squads seem to spawn at random, so there's not much reason to do anything except blitz.

[surreal stream]

and yeah My Elmo even rolled max on AR damage and DTOC

I am kind of curious about a mag-size centric build for Elmo aimed at 100% shock ammo uptime

oh can the skill attachments that grant like extra sniper ammo or max targets roll at +2 or are they only ever +1s and thus will always show as minimum rolls?

[reef nova]

Only +1.

[surreal stream]

they really ought to have coded those to show as max rolls then

[reef nova]

If I recall, they're holdovers from when they consolidated a lot of them in one of the bigger updates.
That's why there are so many different names for mods that all do the same thing.

[surreal stream]

yeah the name overlap is driving me insane trying to not excessively hoard gear mods

[reef nova]

I gave up on that recently, because it was a path to madness.

Wanted to have "1 of everything" and it was turning me into Jack Torrance.

[surreal stream]

maybe the move is to restrict myself to only keeping max rolls

[astral kraken]

Not worth it b/c the damage loss will be too high

[reef nova]

You'd be better off just aiming for 100% shock uptime with a status build.

[meager fog]

Wouldn't really be worth it

[reef nova]

To be fair, you think everything that isn't DPS is a waste of time. 😅

[meager fog]

Not at all true, but the only status worth building for in general is Burn.

[surreal stream]

The skill agent's final form is just a Cleaner

[reef nova]

I hate that there's no "official" Cleaner and Riker apparel like there is for the main 3 factions.

I like making themed builds and I have one for each faction that uses a couple pieces of themed apparel but I just kinda made up stuff for the Cleaner and Riker. 🤷‍♂️

Almost as much as I hate that an entire status effect exists (poison) that is exclusive to one weapon that also applies every other status effect.
I want a poison build so bad. 😭

[surreal stream]

this kind of comes back to me missing the coat slot from TD1. Let me put a turnout coat over my vest for my fire build

[reef nova]

Well lucky for you they've started adding coats.
...just all as one-piece outfits, so if you want to wear it you can look exactly like the other 99% of the playerbase who are all using it.

The White House is swarmed by Houndsmen like a zombie apocalypse, lol.

[surreal stream]

Padme voice In the game, right?

[hexed steppe]

Make sure you utilize a route between control points that has cover. Adds and kills squads will spawn at regular intervals so its sometimes good to grab cover in anticipation of that spawn when you know you have longer stretches with little to no cover (west Potomac park comes to mind)

Image/video perms are for build related content only in this channel

[reef nova]

Well, you did say I was dumb. 🤷‍♂️

[hexed steppe]

Thanks for confirming my initial assessment. I was hoping one's tendency to self nerf wouldnt extend to one's common sense to server rules

Not a big deal tho, just keep stuff thats shared to the appropriate channel.

[kind epoch]

This is what I have issues with. I abused TS to gun down two kill squads last night without cover 😂😂😂

I even ran out of bounds twice and was reset both times LOOOL

[stone python]

Is there a 100% hazpro Backfire build? Thanks

And happy New Year to all Agents out there.

[reef nova]

Yes.

[solar sable]

shit, I forgot that I cannot send custom emojis here or else I would've sent a grossed out one

[smoky latch]

Yes there is

I use it sometimes when seasonal modifiers allow 😬

[reef nova]

?

[hexed steppe]

youll need to use a combonation of hazpro and bleed resist mods if you want to get to 100%. these are the threshholds you ned to meet for immunity.
the thing with backfire is you dont technically need resist. you will bleed a couple times, but once its fully stacked youll stop bleeding because your stack level wont change between reloads. also 3 bleeds will render you immune to bleed temporarily. this is why most will say you dont need resist for backfire

[worn imp]

How is EB on a ceska chest + striker + overdogs build? Im thinking it could be kinda nice to run if you want some tanking ability while still putting out great damage

[subtle bluff]

Try it out.

No and yes.

[subtle bluff]

But why full hazpro?

[smoky latch]

Bleed is mad annoying and Backfire does a fair amount of damage anyway

Might as well use QoL

[subtle bluff]

Once built up sure. But to get there on longer.

It's the same reason we don't use Striker chest.

[smoky latch]

I reload a lot and usually I kill the NPCs so quick that it takes for the stacks to build up, hence I bleed a lot sometimes which annoys me. So I can understand ppl wanting to negate that on cost of some damage

But I only use a Backfire HazPro build when HazPro is part of seasonal modifiers. Without them you'd sacrifice too much damage

So I'd not recommend running Backfire with 2x Ceska and 3x UG or jokes like that

I'd rather take the bleed in that case 😂

[subtle bluff]

What's maybe underrated... acosta knee pads

[smoky latch]

Yeah maybe, I never really used them, tbh

Some people also recommend Ninjabike Messenger Kneepads

I find those pretty situational and I don't use them, maybe it helps others tho

[subtle bluff]

Dunno.. I've used BF more than most but that's because I've lived in incursion.

It's amazing in that kind of situation.

[smoky latch]

Ya, so I've heard but never tried myself

In Incursion I mean

[surreal stream]

OK a 14.9% striker backpack is just taunting me

[subtle bluff]

Lol. Good enough.

[surreal stream]

I did get perfect knees from that run at least

...ish. If I wasnted to really go for it I'd have to shuffle some recal round since I don't have max CHD on knees yet

[smoky spoke]

Does Refactor's skill damage repair work with bleed/burn applied by skills? Or does it have to be damage directly caused by the skill?

[hexed steppe]

i believe it does, but it will be less damage/heals overall because bleed is low damage, and burn wont spread without eclipse so itll be weaker overall

[hexed steppe]

kinetic turrets/drones mortar and explosives probably best. personally i turret drone because its really steady/reliable damage

[subtle bluff]

Just plz don't use oxi with refactor... Ugh. Someone that last night oxi things with armor plates was helping but it was making it harder to aim for weak spots. Also oxi can burn thru armor plate.

[worn imp]

Some people refuse to believe that 10% SMG damage from Sokolov Chest is addative and not multiplicative. Can someone help me explain why Ceska is better DPS than sokolov in the simplest terms possible?

[hexed steppe]

smg, and any specific weapon damage, is additive with red cores. crit damage is another multiplier category which makes it a stronger choice most of the time...
some people are too stubborn, ignorant, and self absorbed to think anyone else could know more than they do... dont waste too much time on the argument and just let them flounder when their they keep getting melted by red bars

[worn imp]

is ceska significantly better tho?

Every buildmaker that knows the damage equation says so, but is it meaningfully better or is it negligible??

[hexed steppe]

yes, look at the crits vs non crits in the range. you need chc to have the chd apply to a higher percentage of shots

closer to 60, the more shots are boosted, the better dps output overall

[worn imp]

sooo smg damage only multiplies the non-crit damage?

[hexed steppe]

whether you need ceska or not is also gonna be determined by the build and the crit needs.

[hazy steeple]

(and I know Local knows this, but chd attributes on gear give you more than on guns, so it's better to stack them like that)
e.g. 12% vs 6%.

[worn imp]

at what crit dmg numbers do you generally wanna stop using ceska?

[hexed steppe]

no, its figured into the calculation... but if you crit less, you do less damage overall .. smg damage isnt gonna have a big impact without another multiplier to help it.... think of it like adding a red core. youre base will be higher, sure, but without a crit its just not gonna matter

[worn imp]

wtf??? thought they went into the same pool

[hexed steppe]

if you can hit 60% chc on a build with only secondary crit chance rolls and weapon mods, then you wont need ceska. you would add something like grupo/fox's at that point

[worn imp]

or equalizer actually

[hexed steppe]

you would only really use weapon damage brands if you were running a ton of armor like with dz builds

[hexed steppe]

you get the point

[worn imp]

the point about the Crits multiplier is also the reason ninjabike BP sucks, correct?

[hexed steppe]

using an smg they may not need ceska. most dps i would be trying to hit a 50chc/150chd or better . this will be higher for nego or highend

[hexed steppe]

no, ninja bike sucks because it blocks you from using bag talents like vigilance, which is total weapon damage, "total" indicating it is another multiplier category , separate from red cores

[fleet wasp]

overdogs exo gloves are targetted right?? ive done like 6 hours of CD 2 days in a row and havent gotten them yet i just wanna make sure im not missing a mission i needa do to add them to the lootpool

unless my RNG luck is just complete shit

[kind epoch]

it's RNG luck

[worn imp]

Dude do hyena retaliations and you will get the blueprint to craft them from doing enough kill squads

[fleet wasp]

what are those i never really understood/heard of those on what people said to do for them

[kind epoch]

i legit did 3-4 CDs with @solar sable, did a retaliation, then said F it, one more CD. this was at 11:40pm LOL last CD before bed. got the gloves at the end before exfil 😂

[hexed steppe]

Your fastest way to obtain overdogs is hyena retaliation. They drop the blueprint the it can be crafted

[worn imp]

You have a mic? If you like I can explain some of it and help you out with builds? My fav past time on Div 2 xD

[fleet wasp]

hell yea id much appreciate it if you could

[worn imp]

Sick. Im just gonna eat a lil bit since dinners done here so ill call u up in 20 mins or so

[subtle bluff]

There other public Discord have public VC roooms. Search for them or there in my bio. Henkz is in TheDivision one

[lone kelp]

Doing cd isnt as effective as doing priority quests in terms of exotic farming

[hazy steeple]

Priority Objectives reward you with an entirely random Exotic, Countdown has Targeted Loot.

[subtle bluff]

Or just doing both..

[hazy steeple]

Both is good, if you just need exo comps.

[worn imp]

Just a casual flex guys....

heres what he runs

[hazy steeple]

@vestal atlas You wanna talk them through it?

[subtle bluff]

Yea that's one of his stuff

[worn imp]

nah im good i dont need to know lol probably a raid build if im guessing

[hazy steeple]

The chameleon does give "lost a bet" vibes, it must be said.

[subtle bluff]

I like this more than rando BF builds ppl try to do..

[native plume]

The chad pfe in Countdown

[kind epoch]

...who's iKia?

[native plume]

Not sure if its real but hes a Youtuber

[subtle bluff]

He's a YouTuber that doesn't care about views more than acutally helping players.

[worn imp]

😹

[silent storm]

Decided that this is the build to transfer. Doesn't need OvD and is a strong solid build that still needs optimized. So while farming for the new build I want for my Regulus, Pesty Lengmo PGC is the winner.

[worn imp]

oh he's real

[native plume]

Im still cooking up a pfe set, just need the Nimble Holster and im practically Immortal

[silent storm]

What is a Nimble Holster in TD2? Is it the same as TD1?

[smoky latch]

He's streaming rn anyway

[worn imp]

hehehe

[native plume]

I dont remember what it does in div1 but you consistently regen armor when you preform cover to cover without any cooldown

[silent storm]

Ok so yeah same thing

How do you get that?

[native plume]

Targeted Lootdrops or Blueprint from Retal
I got the Blueprint currently grinding Retal for the materials

[worn imp]

I saw his reaction to my appraisal in the in game chat wonderful dude

[silent storm]

In Aegis for Stoic is the bonus +1.4 for 5.4% perstack up to 8 stacks with 3 squad mates? So 43.2 DMG resist or is it multiplied another way?

[foggy imp]

Running the chest for tipping scale is it really only necessary for legendary or maybe heroic countdown

[silent storm]

I run TS chest a lot. It's good in so many things where you are shooting for more than 11 seconds

[foggy imp]

I’ll try it out thank you

[silent storm]

This is my TS build I use the most. I do have one with PGC and POb, but Overdogs are a must. Ceska isn't necessary because you can make up CHC elsewhere because CHD is so overpowered.

#td2-build-advice message

[foggy imp]

Right now I use the classic m60 with measured with overdogs and perfect obliterate. Have blue screen as secondary

But I like yours as well

[native plume]

Why is there a rifle 🤔

[silent storm]

Yeah that is a great combo

Honestly I feel like we have all been playing TS wrong

[foggy imp]

My favorite is running the 4 striker with the Lexington but it gets boring

I would like to try some fun tinkerer mask builds just for fun with tipping scale but I can’t do it on master

[silent storm]

I feel like TS should be a HSD set. Like anywhere you would have CHD change it to HSD. Get to 60% CHC and then load up on HSD. LMGs are easy to hit heads with and with the maxed Weapon Handling TS provides you just add HSD on top of that and you are slaying everything with a head.

[foggy imp]

My only small complaint with tipping scale is once you stop shooting how fast your stacks go down. I wish it was a bit slower like striker

[silent storm]

only takes 11 seconds to max with chest

Also if you want to stop degradation use Cooler

[foggy imp]

Yeah but if I’m not running the chest I feel like it shouldn’t be a few seconds to be at zero lol but I’m sure it would be broken if it was up more

[silent storm]

Only problem is you can't Quickstep to the next engagement

[foggy imp]

What’s cooler

[smoky latch]

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Cooler

[kind epoch]

iron lung rips with TS even without maxed stats

[silent storm]

Chest doesn't slow the stack decay, you just have less stacks without chest

[subtle bluff]

11s in a fight.. How much DPS could that be before that?

[silent storm]

Not in fight just 11s of shooting

TS stacks are not bound to fighting

[subtle bluff]

How many players and take the time to stack without starting combat but close enough to make those stacks worth it.

[silent storm]

Probably not much

That is an education problem though not a gearset problem

[subtle bluff]

You can't always do it.

Maybe solo but then if you like wasting your time go for it

[silent storm]

I mean you can, and if the fighting is continuous it's not even a problem

[subtle bluff]

Not gonna debate this with you. There reason A lot of the better players don't use it.

No one has solo a lggo with this strat

[silent storm]

What strat?

[subtle bluff]

what have you been talking about..

[silent storm]

TS

What you think about this though @subtle bluff #td2-build-advice message

HSD TS build

CHD is so high don't need it on gear. 60% CHC and HSD everywhere else

[subtle bluff]

It rolls the same dmg. It doesn't do more.

[silent storm]

I thought HSD was addative to CHD

[buoyant perch]

Crit and HS are additive to each other. No reason to go HSD just to gimp yourself against mechanics and chunga

[silent storm]

So Crit Headshots are not worth more?

[buoyant perch]

No, look at the damage equation

[silent storm]

Well forget that then

[buoyant perch]

Crit hs is worth more from an accuracy perspective but not from a balancing stats perspective. Just go for crit for general dps builds.

[silent storm]

I don't understand what this means. Are you saying to not focus on HSD because your aim is weaksauce?

[onyx sage]

it's not about skill, the numbers just don't work out

[silent storm]

I mean TS has a plethora of CHD

[onyx sage]

it's not like hsd and crit are separate multipliers. they have been nerfed since div1 to add to the same multiplier

what that means is it just becomes not very valuable to hybrid into both. if you want to look at how they behave when split up we have to use spreadsheets

[silent storm]

See that makes sence

[onyx sage]

he already said that here

[silent storm]

I said that too

But the point is what has the bigger number in an additive situation

[buoyant perch]

For a crit hs? 12% crit > 10 HSD. Higher number leads to higher number in this case.

[silent storm]

10 HSD is the mod value isn't it. while 12 is CHD. Ok I stand corrected.

[onyx sage]

i can probably napkin math this out

[silent storm]

@buoyant perch is right CHD is better

[subtle bluff]

This you being you again trying to reinvent builds.
Trust if this game weren't this long already, do you think with all these smart people here already someone would of figure out if this was an amazing idea already?

[silent storm]

Naa @buoyant perch reminded me that HSD mods are only 10% while CHD mods are 12%. TS only been out for a season calm down bud I already said I stand corrected.

[subtle bluff]

If I wasn't calm wouldn't I be reacting more? But ok let's say I wasn't calm for a sec:
But then again stand correct what way? There's a few reason your thought doesn't work. Which is funny because of them is one of our first arguments in this server with you.

[onyx sage]

nah lets chill

[silent storm]

oh is this another quest i get to go on deciphering what you are talking about?

[onyx sage]

it's good to ask questions. sure questions can be low or high quality but this question isn't that unreasonable

[silent storm]

It's a language barrier thing

[onyx sage]

it's already been wondered before whether there is an ideal split of hsd/chd or not, and in pve it's quite complicated because the matter of skill notwithstanding, there are enemies that force you to use crit damage rather than headshot just because they either don't have heads or have helmets which don't take hsd

without looking at numbers, if 100% of the enemies in pve have heads i would really side with just having hsd or having the hsd split be bigger

[native plume]

If you were to choose between 10% CHD or W.Damage which would be better?

[subtle bluff]

This subject has been mentioned here plenty of time in one way or another.

[subtle bluff]

Normally it depends on the build.

[silent storm]

Yeah and I was just pondering on that with TS but @buoyant perch worded it perfectly with 10% vs 12%

[onyx sage]

but yeah because of the existence of the hsd-ignoring enemies in pve we can't really recommend it for all situations

[native plume]

Hmm Striker for ex. With enough Chc like 55% already

[onyx sage]

well 10% vs 12% isn't all of it either because the 12% of chd is reduced by chc

it merits further investigation. we can set up some scenarios but maybe tmr. kinda tired today

[subtle bluff]

There's a lot of things so it's hard to say which is better overall.

[silent storm]

So what you're saying is theres a chance my HSD TS build might be viable?

[onyx sage]

i'm not saying that. i'm saying it's not that simple

[silent storm]

Well if there is a question there is a discussion that needs to be made

[cerulean smelt]

whatever you're cooking, sounds like you want to try and not be good at crit damage or headshot damage which would put you in the dead weight category if you were to run in a group with it

[subtle bluff]

Being blunt and joking.... You suck at cooking. Plz stop..

[silent storm]

Are you challenging me ability to hit heads here?

[cerulean smelt]

if gearsets had 2 minor attributes sure it'd be possible, but they don't. so you'd either have to chance or headshot damage

[subtle bluff]

I'm just gonna make some clips.

[onyx sage]

i mean i agree there should be a discussion about this. it's just late for me rn lol. i bet someone can make a spreadsheet for this while i'm asleep

[subtle bluff]

Anyone remember him calling me for a cheater at aiming?

[onyx sage]

there's no skill assumption here. the only assumption is if the target has a head it can be hit

[subtle bluff]

Making a clip instead

[cerulean smelt]

no clue, but i remember they're always trying to make these builds with their own math formulas it seems

[onyx sage]

nah clip is still experimental and skill dependent tbh

[subtle bluff]

too lazy to do numbers for him.

Doing it for his TS chest theory that he always as.

[cerulean smelt]

<= too stupid to do math in the game in general

[silent storm]

I mean HSD is just hit heads. CHD is just get a CHC to come true. So on TS when you start an engagement aim for the head and as you fire CHD and weapon handling gets a boost.

[hushed gorge]

i need a Rifle Build
does anyone here have Rifle build?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, but either you chance or headshot damage will be extremely low

[cerulean smelt]

i hear Ongoing Directive makes for a great rifle build

[onyx sage]

chance is unchanged. only chd will be lower to trade for hsd

[hushed gorge]

really?
damn

[onyx sage]

it's a fair premise for me, that's why i'm hesitant

[silent storm]

But HSD should be higher until you build stacks and then CHD takes over.

And what does it take an LMG to get max ACC like 2-3 seconds?

[urban latch]

the best players average hitting around 20% headshots. Compared to being able to get 60% CHC, HSD is far less valuble

[silent storm]

Anyone here claiming they can't hit consistant HS with a mouse should just stop playing

[cerulean smelt]

still what i said. gearsets only has 1 minor attribute. how are you going to get your chance and hsd high enough to do this magical math formula you cooked up in your own head to make it do some serious damage?
you gotta wear 4 for the chd to build per shot which would have to be chance on it, then you got 2 high end peices to put hsd on it to try and get that high enough

[subtle bluff]

If HSD was so easy and good to run this build would be meta. But it's not.

[cerulean smelt]

should take your own advice and quit playing since you can't take peoples advice because your idea is legendary but we disagree with you and you don't like it so you can only attack all of us personally because you lack the capability in understanding what we're talking about anyways

[subtle bluff]

You called many players cheater for being just to hit at around +80% accuracy (anywhere) when you first joined the server...

[hazy steeple]

We playing nice in here?

[subtle bluff]

I'm just stating facts and being calm... If I am not someone react.

[silent storm]

This is where I gave in to it not being viable because mods are 10% HSD and 12% CHD. So I was willing to give it up until you all started talking but now I feel like I need to investigate further. \

[subtle bluff]

why do you think it's viable?

[silent storm]

HSD is just hit HS

[cerulean smelt]

because their math is different to what we use?

[subtle bluff]

You think having both HSD and CHD are better together?

[subtle bluff]

My clip shows why only HS builds aren't great.

Do you see the issues in that clip?

[silent storm]

On TS yes because TS has an abundance of CHD

[subtle bluff]

So a build with TS then all stats are HSD?

Is that your cooked idea?

[silent storm]

exactly

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't give more dmg vs other stats.

[silent storm]

Boosts from hitting heads and then boosts from tipping up

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't boost more

[silent storm]

More consistent DMG boosts

[subtle bluff]

Sure if you can land waht 90% of your HSD?

At what any range? Then also what if something doesn't have Heads?

[silent storm]

If it doesn't have heads then my build fails

[subtle bluff]

you're making me repeat myself

[silent storm]

Lots of content where enemies have heads

[cerulean smelt]

so basically you want to just take in the weapon handling of the set and ignore the crit hit damage part of it?
why not just stick to the highend chainkiller or hotshot build?

[silent storm]

No I am not ignoring the CHD part of it

I am adding a prebaked stack to it

[cerulean smelt]

ok where you going to get your 55-60% chance and a ton of hsd to make it work?

intead of DTOC you're going the chance route?

[silent storm]

LMGs have innate DTTOOC

[subtle bluff]

FIne.. Let me get the calculator out.

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, but i doubt their chance on taht goes high enough for you to hit enough chance in your build in general then you're doing hsd on 2 pieces of highend to make hsd worth it

[silent storm]

The gearset has massive CHD on stacks

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, only really viable when you have 60% chance

[silent storm]

800% CHD with Backfire lool

[subtle bluff]

Here let's do this Rowdy use buildstation.app make the build for me

[noble dirge]

Sorry to interrupt - but Bighorn or St Elmo on a blue core Heartbreaker?

[subtle bluff]

Uh?

[urban latch]

Neither, high end with spotter

[noble dirge]

Hmm... alright

[cerulean smelt]

elmo
bighorn is more of a pvp gun with hsd and armor regen or haz pro really

[subtle bluff]

I dunno the context to this..

[noble dirge]

Duly noted

[noble dirge]

Just for casual use on Hard/Challenging

[silent storm]

Isn't there a neamed HE with Perfect Spotter thats good?

[subtle bluff]

HB needs things to be Pulse for it to work to note.

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, but horrible gun

[subtle bluff]

@silent storm if you want the numbers make the builds on buildstation and share it here.

[noble dirge]

Am using Tactician Drone for automatic pulses.

[subtle bluff]

To note both exo weapons are out DPS in solo by a HE weapon

It is not the way to run HB.

[silent storm]

Ok well it is 0000 so I need to go to bed. Night all we'll continue later

[cerulean smelt]

HKB Assault Rifle has perfect flatline but the handing is horrible on it. don't recall if you can put the tech Pulse mod on it so not great in general

[noble dirge]

I'll see if I can do some more tinkering.

[hazy steeple]

@cerulean smelt I'm pretty sure you can, I have a distinct memory of using it with HB when they dropped together.

[subtle bluff]

Invest your idea but you won't do the work for it.

[noble dirge]

though my obsession with Exotics being on every Gear Set loadout is gonna be the death of me lmfao

[hazy steeple]

Yeah Exotics aren't always the best choice.

[cerulean smelt]

a lot of people just see that red glow and belive they got godly things

[hazy steeple]

It's best to think of Exotics as the same tier of quality as gold/gearset.

[noble dirge]

I know, but I just can't tear my eyes off of the red...

damn you Destiny 2 mindset

(Mind you, I'm always willing to use brand sets and full yellow loadouts if the situation demands it, so I'm not that hopeless)

[cerulean smelt]

you know. looking at your name @noble dirge i dont' know if i want to pronounce it ferrynhieight or ferrenheight 🤔

[noble dirge]

Fah - rin - height.

[hazy steeple]

Po-ta-toes.

[cerulean smelt]

Po-tat-toes?

[noble dirge]

yeah I couldn't spell to save my life when I was 10, but we're still rolling with the bit here

[hazy steeple]

Every time I use the Regulus, I do think about a Nighthawk 2017(?) build.

[cerulean smelt]

oh? is that still in youtube or reddit post?

[noble dirge]

If Golden Gun were mixed with Ace Of Spades, I'd drop bricks

[hazy steeple]

I mean, this was during Battle.net, so I doubt a video of it is still up.

[cerulean smelt]

oh, when you said Nighthawk i assume it was a streamer who made up the regulus build in div 2 that maybe seen a few changes over the years

[hazy steeple]

pfft, nah was an exotic in des2 that has very Regulus vibes.
e.g. explody cowboy pistol.

[noble dirge]

Seriously, the Regulus is much less a Police 686 on steroids and more like C4 on a baseball bat

I still wished it had Determined as a secondary perk though

[hazy steeple]

That would break time a little, as it's a lot of years older than Determined.

[cerulean smelt]

then the debate would be
do i use quickstep or regulus? 🤔

or both and swap back and forth between areas 😹

[noble dirge]

Oh, I know. I was just reminiscing on the old times where weapons and gear had multiple talents.

And then I thought: how broken would it be if I had Achilles Pulse on a railgun?

[noble dirge]

For me personally, if you're not running Strikers, Quickstep. Otherwise, Regulus.

[cerulean smelt]

i keep seeing some funny video where you just see black jeans and some specially crafted belt with a barrel and 2 pairs of 6 bullet chambers for some movie i'm guessing. and i'm thinking our next chungas if devs saw that would be running around shooting us with that gun 😹

[noble dirge]

"Evil begone, Regular's coming!"

[noble dirge]

But seriously if I saw McCree in a Juggernaut suit I'd just take the L

[cerulean smelt]

dunno who that is honestly
but i could picture a black tusk hunter with a barrel on their right and left shoulders. 1 is the warhound sniper barrel, maybe the other could be like a mortar? 😹

[noble dirge]

And then instead of hands, they mounted a gatling gun on his left arm and a laser turret on his left arm.

Give him Rat Queen's shield and strap a Marauder to his back.

Oh wait that's just the generation 1 Warhounds Nat gave to Cal, but revised

Literally turn a Hunter into an Armored Core

[cerulean smelt]

i honestly was thinking they just take the axe model they have them portrayed to carry in one of their pictures and just make it into a 2 handed battle axe 😹

[noble dirge]

Wright/Hellfire, but with ranged attacks 💀

might as well just set him on fire or strap a tesla coil on his back

[cerulean smelt]

😹

[subtle bluff]

what about Wright?

[noble dirge]

That's actually gonna haunt my Summit nightmares now - the ones where I actually fight in

[cerulean smelt]

we were just discussing a black tusk hunter 😹

[noble dirge]

Oh, we were just brainstorming how to make the flaming Hunter Cleaner hybrid boss even more of a nightmare

one drafted idea was merging him with a Cyberdemon

[subtle bluff]

k

[noble dirge]

Anyways, probably material for #off-topic-discussions

[lost wren]

which high end regulus setup would be stronger?
the one with 3 pc IA? or the one with gift, contractor's, and fox's?