td2-build-advice

[onyx sage]

big iron on his hip

[strong cave]

🤠

[kind epoch]

Only if you’re locked in though. I got screwed by a CP3 because of a flamethrower and hammer dude 😂

[onyx sage]

i think more playtime will help with it

[cerulean smelt]

i like a frenzied lmg. i'm like what chunga?

[kind epoch]

How do you guys efficiently kill the hammer dudes? Do you ignore the armor and go head/center mass or break armor and then go for the head?

[solar sable]

head first
-# bad wording

[cerulean smelt]

no dinner or drinks?

[solar sable]

straight teeth

[cerulean smelt]

one of the only ways to bypass it, but it's an extreme chance
headhunter build and popping a non armored/helmeted npc near it with Turmoil equipped nad praying you win the lottery

[subtle bluff]

Use your HH stack to break there armor plate.

[kind epoch]

How does HH stack break the armor plate? I usually keep hitting the knee packs and then I go for the head once those break

[subtle bluff]

What does HH stack do?

First off “tanks” type ads have 5 armor plates.

6.. i can count i swear.

[kind epoch]

I forgot. Plus i think i only have 3pc equipped so i don’t get to use the talent, unless the stack has nothing to do with it

[onyx sage]

headhunter is your chest talent...

[kind epoch]

Oh…

So headhunter would be the stack then?

[onyx sage]

yes

if you max hh out it accounts for 70%+ of your damage per shot

it's how you reach 30mil. you use this to break a helmet and restart the chain

[subtle bluff]

That HH stack gives you more dmg for one shot.

[kind epoch]

Oh shoot OK that never happens because I’m almost always killing or trying to kill him before I kill everyone else

[subtle bluff]

Armor plates have there own HP amount before they break. Once you break that plate then you can do normal dmg.

[kind epoch]

So I had to save him to be the last one in order to build a stacks up?

[onyx sage]

not the last. you max out HH after 2 or 3 headshots. look at the HH icon's bar

you just need to max that bar and then break helmet

[kind epoch]

I’m a noob. What’s the HH icon?

[solar sable]

it's basically the same but in orange

[kind epoch]

Oh, what the hell lol I never noticed it

I only know when determined is active

So basically wait for that icon to illuminate orange and then take down whoever is the strongest tier

[solar sable]

the head icon to the far right

[onyx sage]

hh is the real magic

no you want that bar to be maxed

hh pilled determined maxed

[kind epoch]

I get the far right two icons a lot

[onyx sage]

the 3rd icon you won't see if you only use 3p hotshot, it's for the 4p

[solar sable]

the third one is the Hotshot bonus

[onyx sage]

can't imagine living without determined

[solar sable]

sir

[kind epoch]

But then they turn off as soon as I switch over to quick step so in fights I never switch over to a quickstep if I want to keep determined active. Helps when there are tier threes outside of a bounty or CP3-4s so I just keep the rifle in hand and go in with the status active

[solar sable]

I might just rename hotshot this

[kind epoch]

Oh I’m running 4pc then. Idk what I’m running for backpack then if chest is HH. I know I’m running overdog gloves

[onyx sage]

it should look like this

[solar sable]

average hotdogs

[kind epoch]

That looks about right. I have to go home and check

But I’ve been using this setup for a few days now. I’m sure I also piss a lot of people off in CD but once determined activates, I start popping off lol

[onyx sage]

i love determined

[kind epoch]

I like determined for one shotters. Def not for ARs, SMGs, or LMGs

I used to aim for the head with my LMG but then noticed if I don’t have HSD, it’s pointless to do so. Just aim center mass. Almost no difference in dmg

[solar sable]

no one uses determined outside of rifles and MMRslol

it's pointless

[onyx sage]

i love determined on my lmg

[kind epoch]

Determined for lmgs? Why? Out of curiosity

[solar sable]

ELEMGIS?! fk me lmaooo

[onyx sage]

i would never troll build advice

[kind epoch]

Unless if determined is more consistent than I thought and you can still miss a few bullets before landing headshots between killing people

[onyx sage]

yeah you can

you only lose headhunter if you let 30s go by or you hit a bodyshot

if you hit thin air nothing happens

[kind epoch]

That’s so weird. I’ve hit thin air between kills at an active CP4 and I lost both determined and HH

[onyx sage]

icons might go away because ubisoft game but the buffs still last

[kind epoch]

It took a longer time to kill first person after icons disappeared 😅😅😅 I’m not challenging, I’m just stating what happened for a few rounds so I dare not miss lol

It’s literally why I keep my rifle active a lot longer now if I know I wanna go for fast kills on an objective. Slower than quickstep traveling A to B but quicker to kill/finish the job

[onyx sage]

if you swap to quickstep, because quickstep has a lot lower base damage your hh bonus also caps with that, meaning your bonus is basically gone

[dreamy valve]

Habsburg is out of meta?

[onyx sage]

ye

i mean you can use if you want, it's just not meaningful improvement

[dreamy valve]

Cool won’t have to farm the unicorn backpack

[onyx sage]

it's not like you can kill a chunkier target with 2p habs

[dreamy valve]

I used to use Nemesis, but Shroud has replaced it right?

[onyx sage]

different use cases

[kind epoch]

I swap back to rifle once I know I’m getting into a gunfight but I’m finding out I lose the bonus. I’m so used to getting and maintaining HP ammo with OD even if I switch into quickstep from LMG

[onyx sage]

shroud is easier to use in some situations

[dreamy valve]

Nemesis has charge delay that I never liked to buff the damage anyways

[onyx sage]

most of the time you don't need that much so

just take 2 shots

[dreamy valve]

Sometimes when I hold down the trigger it doesn’t start charging so it felt a bit clunky to use

[onyx sage]

yeah it is. for me shroud is a chunga helmet cracker because chungas are tier 1

[dreamy valve]

I want some rogue agents to spawn so I can try out that loadout with shroud on them

[subtle bluff]

I'm losing context here. Are you on Hotshot or OD?

[kind epoch]

I’m using Hotshot but I’m used to the HP ammo that stays with the LMG even when I switch out to quickstep so when I switch out of rifle I’m not used to needing to regain HH and determined

[solar sable]

if you're not running an ACS-12 or M870 with Brazen as backup, then do it

your lmg or whatever you're hotswapping to isn't going to deal too much dmg with Hotshot even as a backup

[subtle bluff]

Rifle?

[barren moss]

tinker what killer+boomeraNG?

[versed summit]

Since you're using OD, Sadist+whatever really. Pressure point is easy. Killer can work solo as well.

[barren moss]

oh duh sadist lol

[magic pilot]

Sadist+boomerang is nice just for the extra ammo retention

[barren moss]

UC15 is what people are using with it?

[magic pilot]

Pretty much any rifle, they are all balanced well

[versed summit]

I'd do something like the Sig CQB. Good handling and better mag damage than a lot of other options.

[barren moss]

OD chest?

[magic pilot]

Yea, ceska vigi or wicked backpack

[barren moss]

ill give that a shot too, thanks

[kind epoch]

when im using the m700c with HH and determined active, i always switch out to quickstep to run quicker then forgetting i lose both talents because i am used to keeping the hp ammo with the 249 when i run with the OD setup so i gotta keep reminding myself out to switch out of the rifle when i know im about to head into a gunfight

[lofty frigate]

i love this one,too

[subtle bluff]

So this is the best you can get done with Rifle IMO.

[subtle bluff]

Video above

[smoky latch]

Do you have any handling (stability) on the Sig or just crit?

[subtle bluff]

CHC

[lofty frigate]

If you can get a lot of crit from your armor, you can get stability parts for your weapons.

[smoky latch]

I barely play rifle builds

One-shot builds are the exception

[subtle bluff]

I don't need it?

To do that run that way took me like 5 tries with different rifles and lil setup changes.

[lofty frigate]

This is the OD build I'm using now

[solar sable]

you should try Tinkerer with OD as it's the meta mask for it

[subtle bluff]

Rifles aren't that hard to control anyways. Some are due there RPM and kick.

The reload speed is what kills Rifle really imo.

[smoky latch]

Wdym? Reload is super fast

[magic pilot]

IMO I'd go accuracy over stability

Recoil isn't the issue. The bloom is

[smoky latch]

Stability is pretty bad with some archetypes

I tend to use stability on mag :p

[magic pilot]

Couple matches of conflict running bighorn you'll be alright

[subtle bluff]

The change fromm the burst and sustain is a lot.

again doing the type of run I am doing where the focus is to push and be semi reckless it's mix of everything.

[lofty frigate]

Rifle recoil doesn't matter much? Are you a super soldier?

[subtle bluff]

It depends on the rifle.

Again you can watch the replay of my Rifle run.

[lofty frigate]

Yeah, I saw it. The recoil isn't really the issue, but the screen shake is so bad I don't think I can play for more than a few minutes.

[smoky latch]

My rifle reload time with the UIC15 is 1.24 and Leightweight M4 1.4. Not using the +20 rounds mag if that results in those higher results

[lofty frigate]

Crit builds are a waste of stats if your gun is swaying everywhere. Consistency wins over raw damage when stability and accuracy is this low

You think the reload time is long? Maybe it's because your engagement distance is too short

[solar sable]

You think you need stability mods? Maybe it's because you need to pull down or learn to control your aim

[subtle bluff]

again it's because how I am doing the run. It's the reason I can't really do TS run because I lose stacks too quickly and they don't peak out correctly at least when I tried like 6 times.

Repeating myself but it's that I need mix Burst DPS and Mag DMG to be able to run Lincoln the way I want to run it.

[silent storm]

Looked fine to me, what are you using a Sig?

[lofty frigate]

Fine, do whatever you want.im out

[silent storm]

I'm really starting to enjoy my Pakhan TS build

234 rounds in the mag it's like I never stop firing

[subtle bluff]

We all can do w/e we want. I have a bunch of these run done with different builds for reference whoever cares.
They aren't the cleanest of runs nor the best but the point is doing them within one shot and push forwards to show the limits of these builds and they can do.

[smoky latch]

I kinda asked and I'm always open ears for improvements and opinions

[lofty frigate]

are you actually serious? Thanks for the brain-dead answer

[subtle bluff]

Ah... I need the burst DPS things weren't dying fast enough.

[smoky latch]

Yeah there aren't many rifles that allow for an aggressive and close style, might as well spec into offensive attributes instead of utility. Normally I play with rifles as backup myself, not as my main.

[subtle bluff]

Rifles are sometimes fun. I just wanted to make a best meta DPS it could do and that's it.

[solar sable]

well, yes because that only means you have a skill issue and you have to learn to aim better

[twin peak]

Anyone know a rlly good bighorn pve setup for low ttk and survival been liking the gun recently

[smoky latch]

You mean low TTK :p

[twin peak]

Yes yes quick ttk 😭

I got this rn but I want prolly a more survivable one

[silent storm]

What's not survivable about that?

[twin peak]

Like some wit high dps wit some armor I be dying bc Im use to run n gun setup wit my backfire

[lofty frigate]

Oh, I’m sorry. Exactly how many thousands of hours am I supposed to waste just to satisfy your standards

[twin peak]

Or if you know how to optimize that setup for more dps rn my stats on it I think I can make it better it’s not fully maxed wit the attributes alr

[smoky latch]

You could go crit instead of HSD for PvE. Memento for survivability. Striker should work too, can always roll cores to armor. But I don't play it in PvE and there might be better alternatives

[twin peak]

If I go for more crit wit my build wouldn’t the damage go down significantly

Rn I’m doing like 1.3m to the head wit max stacks at 344% headshot

This build is mainly for just countdown runs too

[smoky latch]

Idk I find the NPC movement too jiggly with for a headshot AR build, unless you're in CQC or closer at least

Add some status effects and it get worse 😄

[twin peak]

It’s mainly for countdown tbh I can manage to always hit head in it

[smoky latch]

Alright

For survivability I add one piece PS to my DPS builds usually. With gunner spec that's 20% AoK

Might be enough for your survivability

[twin peak]

What should I take out for that piece

[smoky latch]

1pc UA IMO

You'll be fine without the additional rounds in your mag

[twin peak]

What cores and attribute should I use on my ps

[smoky latch]

Since you wanna stick to your attributes I guess the same as the piece you wanna replace

If you can, roll it to WD. You can leave it armor, could consider it as additional survivablity :p

Since you said it's for CD you might wanna keep the damage tho and the 20% AoK is enough

[twin peak]

Yea I see what u mean

[silent storm]

Finally got this and a little disappointed. Now I need to find one with Measured and try that.

[smoky latch]

Stoner's mag is too large for Frenzy, no?

And the RoF is pretty shlo

[silent storm]

Yeah it's a bit much

[smoky latch]

Math says the Classic M60 is ideal here but I cannot stand slow firing LMGs personally

[silent storm]

Slays when active but it's not really active when you need it much

[onyx sage]

i know this is TS but on striker i've been liking gr9 a lot more than m249/mk46 when it comes to frenzy

[smoky latch]

Yus, me too

[onyx sage]

damage is basically the same but reload is so much better

[subtle bluff]

When using BH you have to remember it doesn't have any CHC/CHD so you have a spend a lot of stats for it to work.

[twin peak]

I changed some things I’m at 51% CHC 114.6% CHD and 156.7% Headshot rn

[subtle bluff]

This is the Best normal DPS for BH we've come up with. Some of us have gotten pretty with this in solo leggo.

[twin peak]

Haven’t tried out over dogs yet

[subtle bluff]

It's kind of BiS overall. There are some places where you can trade it off.

[twin peak]

Like what

[subtle bluff]

HF, some strikers stuff it's just depends on content and build.

Raids, boss section, etc

[twin peak]

I just want some to be able to do high dps in CD for now I play solo majority of the time

For regular play too

[wary crypt]

Put memento on it and total 4 reds and 2 blues

[subtle bluff]

Just do Strikers is much better there since you're shooting all the time.

[subtle bluff]

Not if he's in CD for most of the time.

[twin peak]

I just tried ur setup it’s wayyy better then mine I hit almost 2m

[smoky latch]

Haha they asked for some survivability and gets PGC 😄

[twin peak]

It’s fine 😭

[onyx sage]

i mean it's ironically a form of survivability

[smoky latch]

True haha, depends on the player and how they use it

[acoustic quarry]

Is BHorn good as an AR now? Over Lexington?

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the build.....

The build posted works fairly well. Since it makes up Crit stats.

[silent storm]

unironically

It's the Chuck Norris approach

[acoustic quarry]

But Chuck could tank an entire raid's worth of soldiers simultaneously and not die.

[twin peak]

Ya know the best way to get the all the materials you need to upgrade stats the quickest

[smoky latch]

Ideally XP events. Otherwise I guess CD and Retaliations, on top of CPs and bounties

[twin peak]

Might have to spam retaliations later then

[reef nova]

Do you generally want to go all in with attributes, or do diminishing returns make going past 3-4 a waste of a slot?

Say, if I was running an Ongoing Directive build, would I want to go all-in on Status Effects? Or would more than 3 be a waste due to low returns, etc.

[smoky latch]

Don't use OD as status effect build. Unless you may wanna try sth crazy.
Idk exact numbers for diminishing returns, sry

[twin peak]

Yo I just got the EB off a cache ima need a build 😭

And regulus back to back

[reef nova]

Running it with Vile+Courier, so I assumed it was a good attribute. 🤷‍♂️

[frank cloak]

Tips on optimizing ?

Like best way to farm for the assessment etc

[smoky latch]

#td2-build-advice message

[smoky latch]

Bleed is pretty much the weakest status effect. Keep OD for DPS, bleed functions as trigger to procc the hollow point rounds (the gear sets' talent). There are far better alternatives for status effect builds.

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1vpF--CFYdKBCsN0_Dl86veGmulSNfrZQYkRYbqZzCs0/edit (OD OvD)

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1jZFxzOinCpE8Yt8mUVw6SFsSuxgvmJPqf4-Axe-rR50/edit (OD Tinkerer)

Some OD examples that work well

[reef nova]

I wanted to make a bleed build. 🤷‍♂️

I don't have the Overdogs or the Tinkerer but judging by your build, stacking attributes doesn't seem to have enough diminishing returns to warrant swapping any of mine, so I guess that helps.

[meager fog]

Bleed is just a bad status effect in Division 2.

It's only useful for procing damage buffs

[smoky latch]

I know for sure Tipping Scales has dininishing returns lol

Otherwise no clue about limits

[dreamy valve]

Just went up against 3 rogue agent spawns with another player during a mission. Foamed one and took 2 headshots to get the chain going from no initial stacks and went to kill the other 2 with one shot each pretty easily. Much faster and smoother than using Nemesis, so Shroud will be my exotic slot for mmrs

[subtle bluff]

There's one in the Pesti Guide

[reef nova]

I don't know what that means.

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Message > Gearsheet > Build Hub > Pesti Guide

[simple vector]

Hello Guys I need Help I dont know how I could get stronger or what I am doing wrong ! Here is a Picture of my Actual Gear. Does Anyone could help me how to get stronger with this so I can have fun on Heroic ???

[hexed steppe]

generally you want 4 gearset or no gearset

[subtle bluff]

Follow the rest of this keep both UA in there place

[simple vector]

what is UA ?

[hexed steppe]

your chest

[subtle bluff]

brandset

[simple vector]

thanks so I should keep my chst and the holster whats with the rest ?

[astral kraken]

its in the picture below your picture

4pc striker (the green stuff)

mask, backpack, gloves, kneepads

[simple vector]

super thanks and just btw how to get green I only get blue !

[astral kraken]

recalibrate your holster's attribute to critical hit chance

[astral kraken]

do you have a color blind setting turned on? it's the same thing basically

[hexed steppe]

its the same, yours is blue because colorblind setting

[simple vector]

uff ok thanks

[astral kraken]

thats what mine looks like

your build should look like that. notice how everything is red except that thing on the holster (yellow).

[simple vector]

just a question I had a crit build with all crit chance and only damgae 15 and more so over 80% crit but I didnt made any damage or killed fast any enemys ! Why is that so ?

[hexed steppe]

missing build synergy

[astral kraken]

yea it's not just about crit. all the pieces need to go together.

it's like wearing winter clothes but no shoes and standing in the snow 😄

[hexed steppe]

those striker pieces being suggested has a talent that stacks more damage as you hit

red cores, talents, crit all play a part in the damage

[astral kraken]

thats why it's good to follow a build guide. someone already did the testing for you and found what goes together.

[hexed steppe]

headshot builds, skill damage builds all also exist and have different attribute focus. starting with striker will give you a solid base to farm anything else

[simple vector]

ok BIG thank you Guys I will try my best to follow your advice

[astral kraken]

if you get stuck just come back and ask more 😄

[hexed steppe]

post up an image whenever you want some extra input on something

twinning

@astral kraken what are you doing atm? being lame sitting at the boo?

[twin peak]

I got the EB anyone got builds I can test out

[meager fog]

Any standard DPS set up works with EB. It's just not a great PvE weapon.

It's ok for PvP afaik.

[twin peak]

Yea I just tested it it’s bad

[hazy steeple]

It's far from the worst gun out there, but it's a great example of why you should think of Exotics as being on an even tier with gold and gearset stuff.

[twin peak]

Is regulus any good I also got that

[solar sable]

yes

[fleet wasp]

whats the other version of the striker damage build

was it nego

[hexed steppe]

glass:oblit /overdogs / striker bag, or striker chest/bag/overdogs

there is a nego build, built a lot like striker. nego you want the nego bag so the chest and dogs slot in well with nego too

[fleet wasp]

blessed thank you

[fleet wasp]

should i follow the same damage things for when im building it like crit chance headshot damage etc or is there a different order for nego?

[hexed steppe]

yes, push 60% chc with nego, rest chd

[hexed steppe]

👆 . if you use an lmg like i do, make sure you roll the chc as 3rd attribute on it. ar you roll like normal with dttooc as 3rd

[fresh grove]

What about for shotguns?

[hexed steppe]

i pretty much use that nego setup on any content i want to run dps, including legs. nego also cheeses the overdogs buff since you can use transfer to make tier 1/2 npcs take amped damage by making sure they are marked and you are targeting tier 3 npcs to take damage. (transfer is conditioned on the target, marks take 112% of your crit damage)

you may want striker on incursion or raid tho since more emphasis on single target damage.

[tropic burrow]

Hi guys, other than vigilance how can I boost this build more? What should I change for a high end AR build

[hexed steppe]

whats your crit look like?

[tropic burrow]

59.7 chc and 103.2 chd

[hexed steppe]

and you are using chc mods on weapons first, then setting gear crit, right

[tropic burrow]

Yeah I just want the max dps output and I feel something is off/wrong

[fleet wasp]

what are the gloves?

[hexed steppe]

swap contractors for overdogs

[hexed steppe]

overdogs

[fleet wasp]

do i filter targeted loot to overdogs set or just gloves in general

[tropic burrow]

What about the mag bag or mag holster are they bis?

[hexed steppe]

you target gloves. hyena retaliations also have a chance to drop the odogs blueprint. i would select glove target loot and bounce between countdown and retaliations if you can manage them

[fleet wasp]

ive been running coutdown in public queus on challening and have been getting pretty lucky with what i need its more or so just the atributes lol

[hexed steppe]

nice, yeah its perfect time for cd with double credits

[hexed steppe]

honestly i wouldnt ever push mag size. those brands can be better used for crit. you want vigilance for the 25%twd, overdogs would add a 30% amp. i would maybe run ceska and grupo to replace 3rd ua (keep chest/holster) and zwia. you should be able to hit higher than 103% chd. is everything rolled with chd on it, including the fox's?

[subtle bluff]

If you're asking that why aren't using Strikers?

[hexed steppe]

this is how i would run that. ignore skills

[tropic burrow]

Im not really sure I have to check

[tropic burrow]

I'll copy this thanks!

[tropic burrow]

No no bis in terms of high end. Not generally bis

[fleet wasp]

wow these are some goated stats for the negó set i didn’t realize it’s that good just with 3 pieces

[hexed steppe]

crits seem to be quite solid with it in the range. those missing pieces should turn around your damage a bit. im hitting crits up to around 1.5m at the top end with measured lex, 18 expertise. strained also hitting decent

[hexed steppe]

talent is goated too, crit something for a mil, the other marks take 112% of that. it melts areas with many targets. many sleep on nego because it requires 2 brain cells to run with the marking mechanic

[fleet wasp]

I got most of the pieces in two countdown runs with some okay Atributes, but omg i’m noticing a huge difference in my damage stacking and overall damage

[hexed steppe]

easily capable of out damaging striker in the right hands

[fleet wasp]

i was sleeping on nego this is already doing more damage than my striker build which is 80% done

[hexed steppe]

use fox's or coyote until you get overdogs

[fleet wasp]

coyote the mask?

[hexed steppe]

and a good chest talent like oblit or glass

[fleet wasp]

oh shit I didn’t even realize my chest talent is vanguard not oblit, imma be grinding all day tmmrw for these, I bet it’s going to make a huge difference once I get that

it’s so much fun grinding for gear sets for some reason lol

[hexed steppe]

outdamaging your striker with vanguard, its gonna get so much better 😎

i wrote up a nego guide a while back that has quite a few variants. personally the glass/dogs with bluescreen is just kinda perfect.

[fleet wasp]

I thought building these would also be a lot harder but tbh it’s really easy I just have to pay attention to the atributes and tinkering which gets a little tricky sometimes

I feel like ST Elmo’s engine is also a really good pair with the build I was slamming a challenging on a CD mission solo

[hexed steppe]

yeah, nego/striker all pretty easy to farm since they roll red. something like heartbreaker so much worst since its native bluecore

elmo is really good. i would definitely try bluescreen too. both have really good handling

[fleet wasp]

I was trying to get blue screen earlier but after like 4 countdown raids of no luck I just decided to try and focus on my gear pieces as they are a lot more common than the exotics

but I somehow got Elmo’s on like my second ever CD raid which was hilarious

[hexed steppe]

itll drop sooner or later

[strong cave]

Looks exactly like my Strega build

[cosmic wing]

Is mortar actually useful? I never see anybody use it

[subtle bluff]

Need the right build

[meager fog]

Just an FYI Bluescreen doesnt go into the general loot until you complete the Jefferson Trade Center manhunt for the blueprint

[reef nova]

Depends on the situation.
Really good if you're hunkering down for a prolonged fight in a defensible area, terrible if you need to run 'n' gun.

[strong cave]

^^ either that or wish for one hard enough and it'll drop from an exotic cache. Additionally just farm retaliation for it

[reef nova]

I'm fairly certain that caches don't drop anything you haven't already earned, with the exception for a very tiny pool of "general" items, of which the Capacitor makes up 99%.

[strong cave]

I got my Bluescreen when I freshly started on PC from an exo cache. I've never done the manhunt for it

[reef nova]

Are you sure it wasn't a Capacitor?

[strong cave]

Getting the reconfigure blueprint after I obtained the weapon put it into my loot pool. I'm certain, yes

[reef nova]

Nah, it was just the Capacitor.

[strong cave]

🤨

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, capacitor comes from exotic caches good one

[cerulean smelt]

this is the mortar build i run with. can goto @hexed steppe profile and find a link to a different mortar build. the hardest part is farming up the 2 Grupo pieces with skill damage and haste on it so you can change the core to Skill from Weapon damage

[strong cave]

Inventory looking empty as a mf

[cerulean smelt]

you sure?

[strong cave]

Nearly all my slots have 10+ items each 😂😭 across 3 different characters

[honest moss]

With the strega would 3 piece UA for the mag boost be worth it over foxs or grupo?

[cerulean smelt]

i'd personally get fox's and grupo honestly, but that's just me. i'd say just try all combinations you can and find the fit that works for you honestly

[honest moss]

Alright ty

[subtle bluff]

It depends on the build and content.

[honest moss]

I yoinked the high end build posted farther up. Equalizer, salvo, dogs, foxs, ceska vigi and grupo mask. But i wanted to use it with strega so was unsure was all. As is damage seems fine

[cerulean smelt]

how far up is it? i'm curious 🤔

@honest moss this? #td2-build-advice message

[honest moss]

Yep that is the one, sorry i forgot i could tag it

[cerulean smelt]

interesting 🤔

[meager fog]

It should work with Strega. Just requires juggling of stats since Strega is crit starved

[cerulean smelt]

well, it got a Ceska in it. but yeah i can see it'd need a bit more crit chance to make work with strega 🤔

[meager fog]

You're losing 10% crit compared to other ARs, so you need to find that somewhere else.

[honest moss]

Figured it looked fun but still viable. 59% CHC with 147% CHD on strega so about 20%~ less chd than the lex but with the talent should be okay. Just worried if the shorter mag hurts the strega more making the mag buff more valuable than the extra crit or dttooc bonus

[cerulean smelt]

i stashed my strega so i really wouldn't know honestly. thought it'd just be normally good with that set up, but yeah i guess 🤔

[honest moss]

Will run as is and maybe do a test with the mag bonus but thanks for the input guys

[meager fog]

You could sacrifice the foxes for UA and see which works best for you.

But I wouldn't sacrifice any crit

[honest moss]

Gotcha thanks

[cerulean smelt]

@honest moss i was about to try that build just now, appears i need to farm an equalizer 😹

[honest moss]

Ah lol! I got incredibly lucky and got it from my first recon cache this season

[cerulean smelt]

mines yellow 😹 something like skill haste or damage and repair skills

[edgy hollow]

does the yaal brand have a chance to be the "target loot" in the dark zone for the daily loot rotation?

[cerulean smelt]

never seen it in forever honestly

[heady ore]

Should hit level 40 today. Is there a specialization route preferred?

[cerulean smelt]

Specializations is more of a preference, but most go either Gunner to generate ammo and get a little armor on kill in their builds, Sharpshooter for pure headshot damage builds, technician for that +1 skill tier for skill builds or maybe something like a tech tank while having 1 red for some damage in it

[edgy hollow]

is there a list of what you can get from the conflict cache?

[cerulean smelt]

none that i know of, but it's like any other caches with the exception you can get yaahl or system corruption from those

[reef nova]

Look at their skill trees and see what you like.
Most people go for Gunner because of its neutral passives, but they each have their own unique kits for different playstyles.

[candid depot]

how can i improve my crowd control build?

[subtle bluff]

You tyring to so support CC or just in general?

[candid depot]

support CC

like riot foam chem launcher

[subtle bluff]

I needed to make a small post anyways.

Give me a min to make it up.

[candid depot]

ok

[subtle bluff]

I think it's some what update in the build hub

I did some updating in there but brb

[candid depot]

i've removed vile and added eclipse mask and Grease, since the damage from Vile was pretty low

[subtle bluff]

LMK if I Englished that right. I didn't reread and check it.

[fleet wasp]

Ain’t no way I didn’t know that so I gotta grind thru the Jefferson manhunt ?

[candid depot]

Some Grammer mistakes, but I can understand the main point

[subtle bluff]

Ya I English bad... I haven't slept for a while now...

[patent fossil]

No, Yaahl and System Corruption are never targeted. Best target loot options for them are gear slots like holster, gloves etc.

[fleet wasp]

overdogs gloves are a exotic right?

[meager fog]

It doesnt take long, its a fairly easy mission and the blueprint is a 100% completion reward regardless of difficultly.

[patent fossil]

@fleet wasp I've definitely got the bluescreen on my newer account that has never done the Jefferson manhunt, so I'm not certain what the Jefferson blueprint actually helps with. Possibly recalibration.

[brave knot]

Anyone here use "The Sleigher" sub machine gun? Is it worth keeping or adding to the library for the "Damage to Armor" stats?

[subtle bluff]

Have you tried it? 😛
No it's just fun when it's used.

[brave knot]

I did. It seems to shoot, hackey sacks? LOL

[patent fossil]

Snowballs

[brave knot]

then i'll tinker it away to the library.

[fleet wasp]

I didn’t see any blueprint for blue screen but since it’s done should I just do CD with targeted loot now? Oops didn’t mean to reply

[subtle bluff]

Wah?

[fleet wasp]

sorry I didn’t mean to reply to that

[cerulean smelt]

@fleet wasp think that's what dorky meant. do the manhunt for the blueprint then just run whatever you desire with LMG target loot

[fleet wasp]

okay sweet thanks for the help guys i didnt know that i needed to do that

[cerulean smelt]

btw: if you want less of a gamble. retaltion drop exotic blueprint so you could literally craft it at will

[fleet wasp]

im guessing it automaitcally unlocks after the mission? i never saw a noti saying i got it i just wanna make sure

[meager fog]

You can get it from caches, but not from general loot until that mission has been done. Afaik.

[patent fossil]

Honestly can't remember if it came from cache, priority objective reward, random loot or target loot, but it definitely dropped (more than once)

[meager fog]

Unless they changed it at some point

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say it's possible they changed it at some point, but it's probably more effienct the route you explained

[fleet wasp]

Can I craft it if I get 28 steel or am I seeing that wrong?

or should i grind for the drop instead?

[cerulean smelt]

28 steel and a bluescreen

[meager fog]

Thats the reconfigure blueprint. The Bluescreen should now be able to drop from anywhere with LMG target loot.

[fleet wasp]

ohhhhhh okay i didnt know that, what does it do exactly just reset the atributes or reroll them?

[cerulean smelt]

changes the 3rd attribute to another random one, since it already comes with DTOC you'd change this to say chance for a build

[fleet wasp]

i feel like a chump in these public queues im level 60 and i see like level 5000 😂

[sterile isle]

FINALLY all it took was 3 days of farming and one SINGLE mutiny cache

[cerulean smelt]

shd level doesn't matter honestly
been quite a few exploits where people get high up in their shd levels, but a few seasons ago they've been having 5X and 3X shd experience for 1k levels

[cerulean smelt]

better favorite it so you don't sell/deconstruct it accidentally

[sterile isle]

It was the first thing I did the second I dropped it haha

[strong cave]

Seeing a lot more bleach pfp around, I'd wear my rangiku one but it's my cat currently

[cerulean smelt]

OHHH! didn't knoww aht Azrael's Pfp was Bleach

[fleet wasp]

are there any other missions other than CD i should try my luck on or have better chances?

havent been getting much luck on CD

[cerulean smelt]

retaliations you can solo

[fleet wasp]

is that just completing any missions in those controlled areas?

[strong cave]

it is! thats soi fon, squad 4's (pretty sure) captain. the stealth force captain

[cerulean smelt]

oh it is! i thought a different character where i didn't get past in bleach honestly

[cerulean smelt]

there's usually a random faction gets a daily aggrevation for doing one activity for them, otherwise you run the 3 stronholds (DUA, Capitol, Roosevelt) once on heroic to get 100% or if you prefer random activities in open world until you fill it up

[sterile isle]

Close it's Squad 2 but you're right about who it is !

I have her shikai tattooed on my arm

[strong cave]

Ah wait squad 4 is R&D ain't it?

[sterile isle]

Squad 12 is RnD with Kurotsushi Squad 4 is support/medical

[cerulean smelt]

I couldn't watch it anymore after 200ish episodes I think it was?

[strong cave]

It's been too long for me. Still waiting on next season of TYBW

[cerulean smelt]

But probably should stop before mod comes in lol

[sterile isle]

I was about to say haha

[strong cave]

R&R might be needed

[sterile isle]

But yeah same here, so hyped for it

[static gull]

Lol that's crazy I got it the first day the season came out dam near God rolled

[sterile isle]

You're simply him, that's why

I think I had a couple but nowhere need godrolls and I didn't know how good they were so they went into tinkering lol

[fleet wasp]

should i set my world to challening to get better loot drops for some silly reason its on normal

or should i build nego to max it can go then do that?

[cerulean smelt]

challenging minimum since the drops will be gold in color with some chests will still drop purples

[versed summit]

You should try to work your way up to heroic, but challenging should be easy regardless

[hybrid hatch]

Cat is vastly superior

[hexed steppe]

Ill need to run it in some content, slaps in the range tho

[cerulean smelt]

i have to find me a good equalizer first 😹

the one i have i think i can run it in a healer build of some sort if i wanted perf oblit in the build 😹

[hexed steppe]

Yes, but there is a steep learning curve to be effective with mortar, which is why its not common.
Youll definitely notice a difference with a good mortar user in group.

Mortar mains rise up 😎

-# Mortar Supremacy

[hybrid hatch]

I was calling this a failed experiment several days ago, but after tweaking a few things it has become extremely viable (in solo play). Clearing CPs and krampus bounties very quickly. That said, idk how well it would do without the companion.
Im sure a regular skill damage or dps build would still do better, but it was fun to monkey around with

[versed summit]

I don't think there's any reason to run turmoil or CC chest here

[hexed steppe]

Glass chest would boost both skills and wd

[versed summit]

I think it would've been really cool if they would've made CC give skill damsge

[hybrid hatch]

I was thinking of trying the new exotic for chest

[cerulean smelt]

route i went with coco skill build

[versed summit]

2 empress I kinda mid ngl

I'd do PGC and wyvern if going that route

Wyvern and waveform maybe

[hybrid hatch]

Doesn’t cc chest let you get stacks much quicker by doubling the amount of marks you can make? Not that Ive tested it

[versed summit]

If you're playing with Turret drone it doesn't matter

[hexed steppe]

Yeah its faster stacks

[versed summit]

You're not going to be able to get that many stacks

[cerulean smelt]

it's like using the striker chest to get 200 stacks when you play heroic and not obtaininig all 200 stacks or keeping it long enough to benefit from it

[hybrid hatch]

Gotcha

[hexed steppe]

Its a tricky set to use solo, so if you were able to get max stacks and still maintain decent damage then thats a win.

[fleet wasp]

first exotic drop after 2hrs of CD and i get the bullet king 🫠

[strong cave]

Target weak enemies first and move up. It hits stupidly hard

[cerulean smelt]

you mispelt exotic component unless you didn't have it before

[hexed steppe]

Make sure you are buying the exo caches with the double credits earned

[fleet wasp]

you can buy exo caches?...... how

[cerulean smelt]

there's a laptop to the left of the season vendor

[hexed steppe]

Its just past the season vendor outside the whitehouse

[fleet wasp]

HOLY

I CAN GET SO MANY

I GOT IT I LOVE YOU GUYS THANK YOU SO MUCH

[hybrid hatch]

Worked best when I was actively retargeting the skills on every enemy I was shooting at, at least until they decided to stop following commands 😂

[hybrid hatch]

Oh is that what the surge thing is. Might have to check it out

[fleet wasp]

I Still have 1k creds do i buy exo cahces?

caches

[hybrid hatch]

I only buy those, but I only want components

[cerulean smelt]

i would if you want components for expertise upgrades

[hexed steppe]

Yeah its an active set. I use turdro on a pesti wd version as well. With the marks disappearing fast its important to have solid ttk or you risk losing that mark as a stack source, forcing you to remark before skills kill

[hybrid hatch]

Turdro?

[hexed steppe]

Turret drone

[strong cave]

Turd

[hybrid hatch]

O

[fleet wasp]

i got distruptor rounds as the bluescreen talent should i reroll that in the workbecnh or can i even do that

[cerulean smelt]

only thing you can reroll is the 3rd attribute Damage to Armor, Health, Crit chance, damage and i forget whatelse

[fleet wasp]

ohhhh okay

[reef nova]

Is Chatterbox viable in Legendary+?

[fleet wasp]

Should i still reroll that third one?

I don’t think HS damage is much good compared to CHC CHD

[cerulean smelt]

i would as you're not doing much HSD in general with it, but we'd need to see the rest of the build to tell you waht to go for

[reef nova]

I like DtA on LMGs, but CHC is my second vote.

[fleet wasp]

I’m doing the negó damage build

its not finished or anywhere near done

[onyx sage]

you need chc on bluescreen

[fleet wasp]

I can reroll it more or should i keep this for now?

[strong cave]

Reroll for chc

[onyx sage]

you can stick with it for now if you're low on exo components but you really need chc on it. bluescreen has no chc mods

with nego you have to hit 60% chc

[reef nova]

Is the cap 60? I'd heard it was 65, or is the 5 from something I'm not including?

[onyx sage]

60%

[reef nova]

Ah, that's good to know.
Danke.

[cerulean smelt]

people are usually told 55-60% from gear and weapons then go damage as much as possible so you get double damage to your chance at least

[fleet wasp]

can i buy steel or recyle it apparentley im low on it

[reef nova]

Is it not in SHD?
I don't know, I never use them.

[strong cave]

Hit up the CPs in east Mall and loot resources there

[cerulean smelt]

if you look at it in your inventory you'll see what faction tends to drop it

[fleet wasp]

i got CHD but ran out if steel

[cerulean smelt]

you can buy the resources via the watch points but i tend to keep those for the 2 resources we need for optimizations and recalibrations

[hexed steppe]

you can get a lot of mats from solar farm control point if you are low. there is like 50ish assorted material cases, east mall district

[fleet wasp]

first control point and krampus is here...

[dreamy valve]

Trying to get rogues, Krampus, marauder, and resource convoy to spawn in a cp

[cerulean smelt]

• elite patrol?

[dreamy valve]

https://youtu.be/MsuH1msEkvM?si=PjI_2QsZwWqn3wXv

[fleet wasp]

CHD and no CHC after 9 re rolls what is my luck today 😭 and i get slammed by krampus

[strong cave]

⏸️

[frozen hull]

How can you tell by that picture what he has on that gear or gun? I’ve always wondered I’ve seen some here look at the picture without being able to see the attributes and people know what’s on the pieces .. what am I not seeing

[cerulean smelt]

click on the picture and it'll be a bit clearer

[frozen hull]

Nvm haha I see The pic before haha

[onyx sage]

he's using the negotiator gear set which relies on chc, and he's using bluescreen

as for the attributes on the gear pieces you just make guesses

[cerulean smelt]

they were asking to reconfigure it, we had to educate them that it's only teh 3rd attribute on it being changed. they thought they could change the talent on it

[frozen hull]

Yeah see I wondered if the little icons tell you if it’s chc chd … because to me thy looked the same hahab

[frozen hull]

No I get it now ahha when I scrolled up I realized he took a pic of the gun itself lol

[fleet wasp]

do i need to do any other mission for the overdogs gloves like i did for bluescreen or should it drop iwth targeted?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, phone photo 😹

[onyx sage]

yeah you don't need to know the full details. after helping enough people you just know enough. only thing jumping out would be that it's blue or yellow which would be obvious

and no you don't need to do any mission specifically, just farm gloves targeted

[cerulean smelt]

or retalations for the blueprint. think outcast?

[onyx sage]

hyena

[cerulean smelt]

knew it was one of those crazy ones 😹

[meager fog]

Insert spiderman pointing meme here

[frozen hull]

What difficulty do the blue prints drop in retaliation … I know I got my overdogs blue print in challenging but curious if even normal will drop them… I’m about to set my world back to normal to finally finish these freakin nyc hunters

[onyx sage]

it drops in any difficulty but the chance for blueprint drop is highest on heroic

[frozen hull]

Ok good what I figured an how it should be

[cerulean smelt]

think kill squad is a 50% and possibly successful retlation as in getting all the control points back in your control?

[cerulean smelt]

oh kill squads is 95% i thought for sure it was 50% max?

[meager fog]

Imo they got it the wrong way around lol.

[frozen hull]

That 5% is diabolical hahah

[cerulean smelt]

of 50% on kill team and 95% for completion?

[meager fog]

Yes. Logically, you get 2/3 kill teams per Heroic Retaliation. BUt only one completion

And unless you're at least a decent player, Heroic retaliations can be....well....heroic.

[frozen hull]

I usually just get one I must not be taking the right routes

[cerulean smelt]

i feel they're random but tends to come if you're close to failing due to not enough time

[meager fog]

Depends where they are mostly. I tend to think that they're tied to the number of CPs in the retaliations

[frozen hull]

Ah ok makes sense

[meager fog]

If there are 4, normally I get 2/3

If there are 3, normally it's 1/2

if there are 2, mostly you'll only get 1

[frozen hull]

I really hate doing them but never enjoyed times trials

[cerulean smelt]

like that one area with 4 control points usually owned by True Sons with the crashed jet. you get to one of the furthest contol points and haven't taken it yet. you might get a kill squad spawn kind of deal

[meager fog]

Same, I've got all the blueprints from them so I just ignore them now lol

[cerulean smelt]

why i hated Countdown for the longest time

[meager fog]

Countdown doesn't really feel like a time trial to me. It's so trivial.

WIth retaliations, death = alot of time lost, 2 deaths would normally be a failure

[cerulean smelt]

currently only reason i run them is for the truesons and outcasts blueprints i'm missing

pestilence or your companion killing wildlife giving you -2 seconds 😹

[fleet wasp]

13 REROLLS AND I GOT CHC LETS GOO 😭

[meager fog]

It's kind of meh, when I can just let them take the area and have it back withing 4/5 minutes

[meager fog]

Good job

[cerulean smelt]

wanting to keep the control points last season was well worth trying to keep your map green 😹

[meager fog]

It was still quicker to let them have it and take it back though lol

[fleet wasp]

Would the LUD with these stats be a good secondary or is there a better one that pairs with the negó set?

[meager fog]

Imo, they should have made a "failed retaliation" on heroic lock a CP to master difficulty. CP05.

That way, you're forced to take them back.

Even if you reset the map, that CP is locked to master difficulty

[cerulean smelt]

Caretaker for the secondary would be best if you ask me

[strong cave]

Looks good to me

[frozen hull]

This and I’d probably hate retaliation less if I ran it with People .. and I have most the stuff already rolled how I want so the blue prints aren’t ther dire to me but I just want them lol

[meager fog]

LUD is just not a good gun

[winter cloak]

I FINALLY PULLED IT HOLY SHIT

[strong cave]

just you wait, this will clear Dark Hours on Normal 🙏

[cerulean smelt]

nice exotic component

[strong cave]

now youre going to spend all your components rerolling for dttoc if you dont already have it

[winter cloak]

LMAO not this one, this is my first eagle so itll stay

[strong cave]

how many hours?

[winter cloak]

now the rest of the exotics i got....the 11 ouros....goodbye

[winter cloak]

21 lol

[strong cave]

💀 they basically handed you guys the exotics damn. I remember when I had to run DH raid like 15 times before I pulled my own

[winter cloak]

well 21 hours on pc. i sunk thousands into Y1 on console but im finally back after forgetting about the game

[strong cave]

ahhh yeah you missed the last 6 years. id say more than earned the EB

[winter cloak]

yeah i didnt realize they were updating the game man, thought they dumped it like ubi usually does

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, was nice getting my EB, sharing it. ran it with the same group a couple more times and got my EB back 😹

[strong cave]

They didn't even want to keep it? 😂

[cerulean smelt]

nods seasons 5-8 felt like that as we didn't get much communcation from devs or community person. but they came back with season 9 and continued it

[winter cloak]

imo this is still as fun as it was in Y1, multiplayer is cooked for me bc of lack of knowledge for builds but

[cerulean smelt]

group was like "he's been hunting this forever, if we get again we'll drop it for you next time" next time wasn't too far off 😹

[winter cloak]

wish the DZ was as populated as it used to be to

[meager fog]

PvP is cooked because it's full of cheats lol

[cerulean smelt]

you can blame the developers for the lack of developing for it and keeping hackers/cheaters in check

[winter cloak]

ubi is KNOWN for not caring dude

[strong cave]

DZ still has some players but at your hours and bracket, you won't find nobody

[winter cloak]

i came from thousands of hours on R6i know how goobersoft is

[cerulean smelt]

think my first ubi game was Division 1

[winter cloak]

i did buy the DLC's to get lvl 40 so were done with that garbage grind

[meager fog]

Assasins Creed?

[strong cave]

Level 40 was unlocked to all for free about 2 years ago

[winter cloak]

yk thats insane

[cerulean smelt]

never interested me

[meager fog]

Rayman?

[strong cave]

The actual DLC content isn't free tho

[winter cloak]

ohhh

[strong cave]

But everything loot wise in game you no longer need the DLC for

[cerulean smelt]

not a console player really aside playing ESO with a few friends on Playstation

[meager fog]

Ahem....Catalyst begs to difer?

And smart cover

[cerulean smelt]

uh, pretty sure catalyst is still brooklyn 😹

[meager fog]

Both locked behind the DLCs

And sticky bombs, locked behind DLC

[cerulean smelt]

decoy?

[smoky latch]

Some skills also

[strong cave]

You can get catalyst from the NY caches in the crafting table. As for the skills, yeah that's locked to content DLC

[cerulean smelt]

you mean the ny kill squad one?

[meager fog]

Which requires killing NY kill squads...

Which requires the DLC....

[strong cave]

Don't need Brooklyn for catalyst tho is what I mean

You do need WONY at least for Rikers/Cleaners

[winter cloak]

im just happy to finally have the EB checked off the list. now i can go back and focus on these builds////i hate this part lol

[strong cave]

Then again who's gonna use catalyst anyways besides collecting dust

[cerulean smelt]

what about that hunter's fury build you run in it? 😹

[strong cave]

ACTUALLLYYYYY you can craft broken shd watches which allow you to craft rikers/cleaners materials to craft NY kill squads caches

[smoky latch]

It drops only in Brooklyn (BfB DLC) from Charlie AFAIK aside from the Terminal mission (BfB DLC)

[cerulean smelt]

have you gotten the catalyst that way though?

[meager fog]

You need burning ash to craft it. Which only drops from Cleaners.

[strong cave]

can craft those

[cerulean smelt]

well, you can make burning ash with shd watches

[meager fog]

Can you craft them without owning the DLC.

Golden question

[strong cave]

you should be able to. but how would I know? i bought the DLC like a nub

[cerulean smelt]

i don't see why not since you can make watches, then turn watches to the burning ash and the riker one

[strong cave]

if anybody here is broke enough smart enough to not have the DLCs, please let us know what its like

[onyx sage]

yeah, you don't need wony

[strong cave]

lootwise, WONY/BFB isnt needed. skills wise, YES it is

[onyx sage]

there's also the NY kill squad caches you can craft too

[cerulean smelt]

besides you can go play the summit lottery and hope you get cleaners and rikers there 😹

[meager fog]

So we've cleared up that crap loot is NOT DLC locked.

But good skills are.

[cerulean smelt]

you mean Decoy only right? 😹

[meager fog]

EP Burn says 'Ello Guvner

and smart cover is amazing in organised groups.

[strong cave]

45$ paywall for good skills is dumb

[meager fog]

This I agree with

[strong cave]

Love smart cover but barely see it used

[cerulean smelt]

i've tried a few times but even using it. like the healing chem people avoid it 😹

[meager fog]

You missed the organised groups part 😛

SMart cover is unmatched if your team know how and where you're going to use it

[cerulean smelt]

precision right with the extra DTTOC?

[strong cave]

Yes

[meager fog]

Use it with an OD with an organised team and it can be insane

[cerulean smelt]

that's probably my problem. i did it in a MA build with hive too

[onyx sage]

my team is my companion

[cerulean smelt]

my team is sometimes an old guy with a walker that carries me with mortars 😹

i should see if i can get Ai to make me an art of an old man with a walker mortar attached to it 🤔

[static gull]

Such thing as too much chd?? 🤣🤣

[strong cave]

Sometimes yes. Depends on other damage sources

[cerulean smelt]

yes, and if you got that on Umbra or Tipping Scales would be severe diminishing returns

[static gull]

Nah its 1 piece Groupo 2 piece unit alloys and 3 prov with elmos

[strong cave]

Sounds right for a high end build

[cerulean smelt]

ok, equip the backfire so you can get at 300%

[strong cave]

Technically 394% but meh

[static gull]

Nahhh cus I don't wanna take all that extra damage cus I don't wanna tweak that build for the haz pro

[strong cave]

Don't need hazpro when you're at max stacks in 2 mags

[static gull]

I'll still take the damage from it no?? (I'm genuinely asking im not great with the backfire)

[strong cave]

You will but make sure you guarantee yourself hits

The quicker to 100, the less damage you have to worry about

[static gull]

Ohhh that makes sense

[meager fog]

Once you hit 100 stacks, only reload on 100 stacks and you won't bleed

[cerulean smelt]

so one could literaly go with salvo + striker with backfire and probably hit that 100 stacks quickly? 🤔

i'm below average and i know for sure i'll bleed to death 😹

[hexed steppe]

What's max magaize you can get on backfire now with highend shenanigans?

[cerulean smelt]

3 Units gives 50% and 3 Arca Buz gives another 50%

[surreal stream]

So I need to go thank whatever deities I pray to now, right?

[cerulean smelt]

caretaker huh? i guess, or sacrifice it for that perfect DTOC in your library for AR 😹

[hexed steppe]

No prayers, just send lootcifer some sacrifices in thanks

🔥 😈 🔥

[surreal stream]

I think I'll at least use it until I pull a good Police M4 or something

[cerulean smelt]

or just keep it and stash it 😹

[surreal stream]

slightly annoyed I bought a better-than-what-I-had-but-not-perfect MP5 last night; though visually I love a suppressed MP5

[surreal stream]

so I just remembered I've actually been holding on to a TKB-408 with a max dtoc roll but kinda crap core rolls so I think that's the one going to the library

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, TKB sucks as an AR in general

least when i tried it. felt pretty bad unless you were face to face where it'd do some serious damage

[surreal stream]

now that I've got this I'm kinda thinking it's time to search for a ninja backpack to do a Striker/Unit Alloys build

[cerulean smelt]

so equalizer and Salvo?

[surreal stream]

and I've already got both of those and good Striker mask/gloves/knees so it's just the bag stopping me

[keen raptor]

guys...can someone indicate me a good rifle build pls? also...any tips to proc Ongoing Directive easy ?

[cerulean smelt]

think with my OD i use Bluescreen

there's no rifle builds in the spreadsheet in the pins here?

[twin peak]

I just made a tipping scale lmg build with 58CHC 88.6 CHD base with measured max damage is 1.8 to head is that good or can it be better

[cerulean smelt]

couldn't say honestly

[twin peak]

Think it’s good enough alr only thing is I am using perfect glass cannon wit this

Using the gr9 too

[keen raptor]

i found the spreadsheet! tyvm!!

[cerulean smelt]

you're welcome. i rarely look at it these days

other than every new season to see if an exotic, named or brand is replacing stuff in a known good build

[strong cave]

It wouldn't be a bad build but you would be holding yourself back

You'd be ditching nearly 30% of damage by choosing to go ninjabike VS striker backpack

[subtle bluff]

OD has the rifle version in it btw

[edgy hollow]

share the build

[acoustic quarry]

I have been occasionally running a headshots A&E with Bittersweet to get its proficiency up. It is not not too bad, 2.6-4.8m headshots (depending on card flip) at a decent RoF and can heal people.

[hexed steppe]

i may or may not have become a fan of 3pc ua

[hexed steppe]

wasnt a fan of strega tho , probably cause i was testing in cd and i dont think its tight enough to support the talent

[astral kraken]

Where did you hear about it?

(like YT, some discord, reddit, etc)

[smoky latch]

NBB builds get posted a lot on Reddit and YT

[surreal stream]

YT. Rogue...Gold I think?

[fleet wasp]

i keep forgetting but is there any mission i need to do for the overdogs gloves or are they already in the loot pool if i filter targeted loor for gloves

[smoky latch]

TL, no mission

Exotic caches too

[fleet wasp]

sweet thank you

[astral kraken]

Ok thanks. Ninja striker setups are generally very bad (compared to simple alternatives) so I was curious who was spreading misinfo about it.

[surreal stream]

I do wonder how the 2-piece Unit Alloys stacks up against Coyote still

like, 20% feels like a lot of damage even if it does restrict you to your primary

[astral kraken]

It's strong. Right now the best setup if you don't want to use glass cannon and you don't want to use overdogs is - striker, equalizer (chest), salvo (holster).

[kind epoch]

is mixing SIG 716 with the m700c counterintuitive?

[exotic tundra]

Whats a good ar build for legendary/heroic, idk if i should run striker, cc, or some brand set combos

[onyx sage]

striker works

[exotic tundra]

2 pieces of what now

[astral kraken]

Equalizer (chest) and Salvo (holster) is a good starting point

You can also do Equalizer and Overdogs (gloves)

You can get more damage by running a chest with glass cannon but I'm guessing you'd wanna work up to that since it's harder to run

[last schooner]

Are EB only good for PVP?

[kind epoch]

does Sig (rifle) only pair well with OD or does it work with HH as well?

[cerulean smelt]

all from what i've seen since it's release. pretty much purely a PVP thing. PVE group you'll likely die from the sheer amount of damage you've taken before you get your 3ish kills
edit: however i did make a build last season using Zealot and EB in between to keep myself from taking too much damage, was entertaining 😹 for PVE anyways

[last schooner]

good, trashing it

ravenous is meh too right? bighorn?

I know rav is used for DH raid.

[cerulean smelt]

i've never tried it, but i think 1886 or maybe Classic M1A(named Bakers Dozen model?) is about good with HH. i feel the others probably don't do enough damage to make it worthy to try it with HH builds

Bighorn is pretty much a PVP weapon from all i've seen, but hopefully someone will chime in and tell me i'm wrong with it
i'd honestly keep 1 of each exotic as you never know when they decide to make changes to it in some spectacular fashion

[indigo perch]

What are some "support-oriented" builds that people appreciate in their matches? Specially in Legendary, etc.

[solar sable]

FI Healer, OD, maybe Mortar, EP CC Foam

[hexed steppe]

someone say mortar?

[solar sable]

I didn't

[exotic tundra]

MORTAR MENTIONED

[hexed steppe]

-# Gramps was summoned

[cerulean smelt]

here i want to see if AI won't disappoint in generating art of an old man with a walker that has a mortar attachd 😹

[last schooner]

Caretaker vs Lex with Killer?

[hexed steppe]

always lex

[last schooner]

G36 seems to have crazy acc

[cerulean smelt]

think caretaker has a longer uptime but not much

[last schooner]

crazy bad*

[hazy steeple]

More outcast crazy, than striker crazy.

[onyx sage]

go to sleep

[last schooner]

oreo vs DW or Tac 9mm w/ Killer?>

[cerulean smelt]

what's wrong with the bigger Tac?

[last schooner]

thought tac 9 vector had best DPS for all Vectors?

[cerulean smelt]

probably does, just asking what's wrong with the bigger version? 😹

[onyx sage]

check this

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12vzrBI53INNVcKx25ILuvwIgJDg2xUvOO_IA0uctlwE/edit?usp=drivesdk

currently for high end best ones are smg-9 and some vector i forgot

exotic is ouro

smg-9 is more commonly used because it has higher mag damage

[last schooner]

FML cannot imagine a tacticool agent hitting the streets with a friggin SMG9

[onyx sage]

lol be cool with da hood gun

[surreal stream]

honestly begging for in-class weapon transmog because of this. I wanna be 80's cool let me see an MP5

[fervent cargo]

What to do? Haven’t played in a year. What do most people do and what is the most fun?

[surreal stream]

Is there a viable build for the Ortiz: Exuro set? I love the concept of the 360 flame turret

[solar sable]

everything is viable, but not always optimal

[surreal stream]

also Salvo's Rate of Fire is for weapons even though it's marked as a skill attribute?

[cerulean smelt]

something like that but it can probably speed up your chem launcher fire rate too

[last schooner]

I see M16 topping Sustained and buirst...its still a terrible gun right? still 3rd burst?

[magic pilot]

Yellow is also utility, in descent fire rate buffs are also yellow

[magic pilot]

If you can time the bursts well it's really strong

[surreal stream]

ah OK

[cerulean smelt]

that and merciless didn't get the auto firing option (press key to fire and it continuously fire) treatment

[kind epoch]

it's doable on hard. it does no damage in challenge 😭

[cerulean smelt]

the sig rifle?

@onyx sage or @subtle bluff which of you 2 have that 1886 HH build?

[subtle bluff]

@astral kraken

[magic pilot]

This with overdogs, can swap in turmoil as well

[cerulean smelt]

so move breaking point to backpack, then add overdogs and turmoil?

[hexed steppe]

i would just 2pc breakingpoint for odogs

[cerulean smelt]

@subtle bluff i thought for sure you used to have a build of an 1886 chainkiller or just headhunter build with 5 improvised gear proving how OP HH determined was?

[subtle bluff]

uh?

HHF is my go to

[onyx sage]

hotdogs

[cerulean smelt]

my dad had that. a coney dog 😹

[astral kraken]

overshot

[cerulean smelt]

oh right, Purple Minitank likes batteries over hotdogs 😹

[kind epoch]

yeah sig rifle

[hexed steppe]

cute 🤦‍♂️ , random cd lobby

[cerulean smelt]

i mean the 5 piece Unit allow increase rate of fire and magazine size right? 😹

[surreal stream]

so about that Caretaker I pulled earlier...
I just got a St. Elmo's out of Countdown

[hexed steppe]

oh yeah

[solar sable]

the secret 5pc brand bonus

[cerulean smelt]

St. Elmos is highly regarded since it gives you a magazine of shock rounds which is easy free CC
me personally don't like it because i always get the npcs that goes into a weird shock animation. gliding on their 2 feet to a cover and gets realy hunkered down so i can't shoot them unless i'm in their face

[surreal stream]

I mean I guess raw damage the perfect killer's probably better, but there's something to be said for —and somoene else typed it faster

[surreal stream]

me when I'm better at fighting black tusk than hyenas because they don't bob their heads as much when they run

[cerulean smelt]

so my St Elmo's stays in the stash 😹
though i do wonder what mag size that'd be with 3 Unit Alloy and 3 Arca buz

[surreal stream]

if my math is right at 1AM enough to always have shock ammo if you don't miss more than 5 shots per mag

[cerulean smelt]

lol if only i can send you a gif of a player in hyenas faces shooting a shot gun and all the pellets miss their heads

if you saw the gif you'd think they were playing Matrix vs the Agents 😹

[surreal stream]

oh wait I'm not familiar with Arca as a returning player is that even more mag size in the set bonus?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, arcabuz 3 piece gives 50% magazine size

[surreal stream]

so either 140 or...156/7 depending on how they apply

140 for additive, 156 or 157 for multiplicative depending on how it rounds 0.5

[cerulean smelt]

that's the thing i wonder 😹
if it applies one 50% then takes the new total then add another 50%

[surreal stream]

which unless you're taking bad shots should be forever shock ammo

[cerulean smelt]

i'm going to asssume both 50% would just go off th base ammo and apply

[cerulean smelt]

that would be my guess as well
though i was thinking of trying those 6 pieces with Chatterbox and see how that fares with it 😹

especially if you get the 125% rof bonus reloading close to 5 targets 😹

[surreal stream]

I only just got my Striker build configured for the UA 2 piece instead of Coyote's tonight

[cerulean smelt]

thoughts or still need to test it?

[cerulean smelt]

when i saw equalizer and salvo i thought for sure at least 1 of them would be used in striker or even both

[cerulean smelt]

ah thank you 😹 dunno why i thought Mrchow, but maybe because of his healing chem launcher gif just made me assume it was him 😹

[magic pilot]

Problem is you can't build shock ammo stacks while you have shock ammo

[magic pilot]

Additive

[surreal stream]

feels solid with the AR, but of course it leave the Stack Broker as even more of just a Stack Builder™ since I'm giving up some CHD for the set bonus

[cerulean smelt]

nods since you need to build up your chance

[surreal stream]

(and like 3% baseline weapon damage because my striker mask isn't as well-rolled as my Coyote)

[cerulean smelt]

eh, you'll get there eventually

we all were in your place
but now you new people get it faster and better than we had to at one point 😹

[surreal stream]

I mean most of this was in my stash from back in the earlier days lol. But yeah having places we can choose targeted loot is so much nicer

if anything I'm getting too much stuff that meets the criteria for keeping it now. also they should give us an extra 6 slots in the stash every time they add a new set

[cerulean smelt]

i can't find anything, but i know i started we didn't have recalibration or optimization station. you'd literally run missions with targeted loot and pray it'd drop your god rolls with the right attributes and correct talent on it 😹

[surreal stream]

yeah I think I had a few of em, then WoNY reset it all with the increase in level cap

[kind epoch]

the merciless is so fun 😂

[hazy steeple]

@gentle onyx Did you post that for a reason?

[meager fog]

Lol their profile pic is the same AI nonsense

No offence, Rivens

[hazy steeple]

Hey none taken, zoomer AI these days. No ambition for world domination./

[meager fog]

Account created 21st Dec....Ai pfp....sus imo

[hazy steeple]

You would think that an AI prompt of "man with big gun" wouldn't make a guy that looks like he's about to burst into tears.

Dude looks like he's just reloaded the Backfire.

[smoky latch]

There's apparently a "trend" making the round where agents create those AI made pics. No clue where that came from

[meager fog]

Its a fortnite thing I believe. Makes sense

[smoky latch]

Maybe they thought it's a good place here to randomly share theirs? 😄

[hazy steeple]

I don't want to say "youtuber that tried to get themselves trending on social media", but I'm not-not saying that.

[smoky latch]

I could imagine that

[meager fog]

See alot of people AI-ing themselves into Fortnite characters on Facebook (yes i'm old)

I don't like tik tak. Makes me feel scared

[hazy steeple]

The bots that are stealing all of this personal info must be absolutely loving all these people just giving it away for free.
They don't even need to make a scam email or app anymore.

[meager fog]

Mhm, these seedy bots now have a massive bank of faces to use lol

[hazy steeple]

When I finally go full Skynet, I'll make sure I target the mall ninja folks first, promise.

[meager fog]

With your Aussie copper internet that could take a while, I think we're safe for a bit 😉

If you start uploading yourself now, you might be ready by the time Bladerunner happens.

[hazy steeple]

I don't wanna make you feel old or anything, but Bladerunner was set in 2019 lol.

gotta love how optimistic old sci-fi was.

Actually these days my net is 10x what it used to be, literally. 🤖 get ready john conner!

just to tie it back in, I now have a decent enough connection to make a Regulus setup work.

[meager fog]

Builds builds, Basic Strikers, Negodogs and other things build related

[strong cave]

Here pretty soon a COD: Black Ops 2 map, Nuketown 2025, will be in the past...

[reef nova]

Are there any debuffs/status effects that affect the Turmoil kneepads, or is it just weapon damage that's measured and distributed?

[smoky latch]

Just WD

[honest moss]

Would putting a salvo on a eclipse/fi setup build with a scorpio be useful? I feel stacking the scorpio talent quicker would be nice. I currently run magsize on my scorpio for an extra shot but with firerate all in it would be a 15% buff right? (With scorpio on FR too)

[versed summit]

Overall its pretty minor, and those builds get a lot from Scorpio, but not more than they get from other pieces.

Btsu/opportunistic is way too good

[reef nova]

"BTSU"?

[honest moss]

Gotcha ty, saves me farming the salvo

[versed summit]

Black tusk special unit.

In this context shorthand for btsu gloves

[honest moss]

BTSU Datagloves are a reallllyyy good exotic for a plethora of builds in doing support and skill stuff

[versed summit]

They're so good

[reef nova]

Ah, gotcha.
I assumed you meant the exotics, but I was making sure there wasn't a set I was completely missing.

[honest moss]

If you are skill tier 6, pop your hive you get instant skill reset + OC for everyone in your group for 15s. Love those things

[reef nova]

Is the Technician hive good?
I've never used it. 🤷‍♂️

[frozen flume]

it can be good, ye 😄

[reef nova]

I know a couple friends who use it for the "Tech Tank", but that's it.

[versed summit]

Yeah mostly just for the passive shield repair

[frozen flume]

as with probably many builds it always depends on your playstyle if something can be made workable. Will it be meta? In most cases not, can it complete 99% of the content, probably yes 😄

[reef nova]

I never care about "meta", only viability.
If a build doesn't do a cool thing, then I usually don't care. 😅

Like, I get Striker builds, they're just so sauceless.

I know TP is bad, but it makes enemies explode into fireworks, so I use it when I can because "cool".

[frozen flume]

i avidly avoid Strikers myself too 😄

usually i play High End Builds with a few Exotics mixed in between sometimes

[versed summit]

What are you getting out of high end that you don't get from striker's?

[reef nova]

I crutch on gear because, "Green=new thing I can do," supercedes raw stats 99% of the time for me unless it's just completely worthless.

I know my A&8s build is suboptimal to a lot of other rifle builds I've seen... but poker gimmick? How could I not choose the gimmick? I'm not made of stone.

Speaking of gimmicks, is Aegis worth anything?
I ended up grabbing a lot of pieces during a backup call, but the DR doesn't really seem that powerful?

[frozen flume]

usually an off meta build and a few more things you wouldn't play around with otherwise but worse than Strikers.

Striker is just stale, easy to use with no mechanic behind it (unless you count hitting stuff with weapons as a mechanic) and for that its just blatantly overtuned compared to other sets, which require "some braincells to use" and/or are situational (think Skill Builds and the like)

[strong cave]

It's not, unless you run a very very specific build for it. I managed to force it to work but you have to kill your decoy consistently and it only works periodically

Backpack and chest is required and holding Kard TDI Custom is required as well. You'll be providing zero damage to the team, just damage resistance. Unless you proc sledgehammer constantly but even then the damage resistance is pointless as any good healer build can make up the difference. Or better yet, having good DPS players around works too

[astral kraken]

what mechanic is the high end build giving you?

[reef nova]

@strong cave
That's what I figured.
16% DR for having 4 enemies targeting you seems hilarious when any 1 of them on Heroic+ will 2-shot you 99% of the time.

[meager fog]

Theres no mechanics to high end builds other than "heres a slight buff for doing nothing"

[strong cave]

About the aegis build I was talking about, you basically have to run this just to get it to work. Every yellow attribute is Skill Haste. Getting 3/4 pieces of Aegis to drop with skill haste to roll for skill tiers is a nightmare. Each core drops as blue

[scenic whale]

Shout out to fifty for this, I made it, ran it with my static and had a good laugh at it until my decoy ran out. Then I got blitz to death in 2 seconds

[strong cave]

Arti hive is used for overcharge for the team, as well as forcing overcharge on your decoy to increase the threat level so high that the whole room turns head and shoots the decoy

[scenic whale]

Was good while it lasted would do it again

[strong cave]

I was dedicated to making aegis work, and it honestly did. It needs a serious rework tho

If you keep your artificer hive next to the decoy, it will repair it too

[scenic whale]

If they ever make a set where aggro can actually be forced on you it wouldn’t be horrendous to attempt a tank set

But they never will 💀

[strong cave]

As long as nothing goes boom boom next to the hive + decoy, it's basically indestructible until your hive runs out. The hive will also keep the skill active

[reef nova]

Isn't there a threat+ piece? Or am I misremembering?

[strong cave]

There's a threat reduction piece, IA kneepads "Cloak". Taking 2 piece IA gives you increased threat level

[scenic whale]

Imminence Armanents gives you *50% threat but from experience it still doesn’t do much

[strong cave]

It won't work on Aegis. You'll be trading BTSU and Picaro's which Brazos gives you 10% haste

[scenic whale]

Had them lock onto when I entered the room, then when my red teammates started shooting they just ignored me again

[strong cave]

A normal Brazos holster won't benefit you much bc what is your second attribute gonna be? Crit? Headshot? Status? Skill damage? You do nothing. May as well take Picaro's 😂

[reef nova]

McCarthy-ass enemies.

[strong cave]

Drop hive, overcharge, toss decoy, toss the hive out to the decoy

[scenic whale]

That’s expected behavior I think, they just hyper aggro whoever is dishing out the most to them at any given moment, though I think the other enemies will also track how much you’re doing and attempt to do that too

[strong cave]

Wash, rinse, repeat. You'll keep your uptime fairly consistent

[scenic whale]

Oh nah the decoy works great, I was talking about the FB NBB Imminence attempt

[strong cave]

Yeah it'll be a direct nerf. You get more out of Aegis backpack VS ninjabike. I almost went ninja until I looked more into the build

Sounds horrible to say but this variant really is the "most optimal" use for aegis

[scenic whale]

Absolutely cooked

[strong cave]

Idek whether to be proud or disappointed in myself for making a build like this. Esp a first of its kind

Chow refuses to humor the build even with a 40 foot pole

Same with my ravvy build

Passed the idea to Average when we were in a server and he was trying to find strats for running the pact master mission as all red + solo . Offered him some help if he wanted with my decoy aegis build and he laughed uncontrollably for a brief moment 😂

"you look like you need my Decoy Aegis build for some damage reduction"

Average: 🤣🤣🤣

[astral kraken]

so the only purpose of the build is to drop a decoy?

[strong cave]

Pretty much. It does give pretty good damage reduction. It's just inconsistent even if you force it. I'd have to run it in a decent group and see how it performs. It worked in CD and in some missions

[astral kraken]

hmm i wonder what an optimal decoy build would be like

like 3pc empress or something

[meager fog]

Indestructable decoy?

[strong cave]

@astral kraken, the setup you're looking at is about as good as it'll get, for what the purpose is. Now dorky, it's only indestructible as long as artificer hive keeps feeding the decoy charges 😂 enemies aren't smart enough to target hives except extremely rare occasions. I tested it solo in DUA to see if they would be smart to shoot the hive: they aren't

[scenic whale]

The only ones who’s done it consistently to me is Johnson but he’s a one off type right

[strong cave]

They'll target the decoy before they even give the hive any thought

[strong cave]

Lovebirds boss?

[scenic whale]

Agent Johnson, birdies man hunt

[strong cave]

Oh the birdies bag-

Yeah negl I had somebody carry me thru that. That mission was a b----

Whoever at massive thought damage reduction on enemies was smart needs a new job...

OH WAIT it returned again this season

[scenic whale]

Oh no not even birdies bag, that’s Kelso. Birdies manhunt at White Oak where the finale is that jank ass no HUD no tech hunter

It was hard until we realized if we left the black tusk sniper alive they don’t respawn

[strong cave]

Oh recruiter?

[scenic whale]

So one person was off in Narnia suppressing 1 sniper while 3 man railed birdie

[astral kraken]

amazing

[strong cave]

Hunters are different and the named enemy you're talking about might have hunter coding

[scenic whale]

Isn’t Johnson/Recruiter confirmed to be a hunter in lore

Nat called him Cals favorite hunter I think

[strong cave]

I don't personally know. Give NGN a view for that lol

[strong cave]

Catch me online at a good time this week, and I will personally run that decoy build through legendary with you. I want to see how it does in a good group especially in a legendary setting. My tests were done in Solo and not a single enemy targeted me as I dropped my decoy and that decoy stayed alive for as long as the hive kept feeding it charges. As soon as I hit the overcharge, I'll just toss my hive back out and the decoy would stay. But eventually the Aggro will disappear

You have to consistently break your decoy and throw it back out in order for the enemies to continuously aggro it. The decoy has about a 10 second cooldown so you will have to wait 10 seconds between each decoy toss. If you can time your overcharges correctly, you could actually reduce that number even further

I had to ask average how to calculate skill haste and figure out the exact time for a cooldown reduction. I managed to squeeze it down to 10 seconds which is half the time it would be if you wouldn't have any skill haste at all

[astral kraken]

lol im down

[hexed steppe]

shield builds and oxi builds take advantage of artificer

[reef nova]

The launcher?

Speaking of shields, are there any cases of it counting towards deployed skills?
It didn't when I played before, but that was back in WoNY.

[hexed steppe]

Yes oxidizer chem launcher builds commonly use artificer because it actively buffs the damage and can be used to proc btsu gloves overcharge.

As for the shield counting towards deployed skill, im assuming you mean does it proc anything as a skill and the answer is sometimes. Shield no longer procs weapon talent insync like it used to, but afaik it can still be used to proc hardwire (gearset) talent- feedback loop.

[strong cave]

At least buying it is optional

[strong cave]

I'm so happy I got to play when in sync worked with the shield. I hate how they changed it. Should've been a pvp nerf only

[reef nova]

Oxidizer build sounds sexy. 🤔
I'd wanted to make a mad scientist-themed build, and that could work as a future project.

Alas, there is no lab coat in the game.

So for shields, something like Bonded on Beacon wouldn't trigger?

[onyx sage]

yeah, shields don't count as a "deployed skill" because it's not a separate entity with its own health. shields basically are just extra health for the agent rather being separate like that

[dreamy tulip]

What are you guys's opinion on this build?

[hexed steppe]

It should work, but you may have trouble stacking it solo. It looks at total damage sources to determine stacks. Solo youll need 35 kills to be stacked. Solo with 1 damage skill youll need 18 kills... with team itll be better, but youll at least want a striker drone to help guarantee 2 stacks per kill. Youll probably see better performance out of striker or nego if you cant get stacks. If there is no issue getting stacks then it should be solid, stacks have really slow decay

[subtle bluff]

Also stop exp your armor pieces. It’s not worth it.

[frozen flume]

isnt till 10 / 11 pretty cheap tho?

[subtle bluff]

Just not worth over doing it to weapons.

Cheap till you need mats for other things that would worth more per stats

[versed summit]

Up to 12 isn't bad, but the returns are not noticeable compared to weapons and some skills

[dreamy tulip]

The other matts im constantly capped so i figured id level the armor pieces a little. better then letting them go to waste. And when i have to use exotic component i stop. so that at 14

[subtle bluff]

Trust me thinking you have extra exo is ok. Once you’re at 30 exp you Burn thro exo comp like it’s water.

I’ve burn thru well over 9k exo comps

In this past 8 months

[versed summit]

I'd craft things you need or donate to proficiency tbh

[dreamy tulip]

dont really need crafts i think. have all exo's execpt ravenous and the new kneepads i think

[subtle bluff]

He was talking about leveling your exp

Thru donating or crafting to donate.

[dreamy tulip]

oh ok. im just donating all junk and selling or decon depending on what i need

[subtle bluff]

You can donate your mats to level exp

[dreamy tulip]

yeah but ive read somewhere that it wasnt worth it isnt it?

[subtle bluff]

It’s more of a waste exp your armor…

[versed summit]

Wait till the proficiency event tomorrow, but not sure where you would've read that

[subtle bluff]

God it’s so easy to get exp these days. I lived in CD fro too long to just get to 15

[versed summit]

Getting easier every season too

[reef nova]

Are there any other named items that work with shields other than the Forge?

[subtle bluff]

Exotics/Named Weapons/Gear aren't always the best nor is needed for every build.

[subtle bluff]

After saying that Forge is probably the worst gear for a Shield since it only give + amount only

The named Glove for Skill Health is MUCH better but the overall build matter more than this stat

[reef nova]

Motherly Love, no?

I also don't know what you mean by "+ amount". 🤷‍♂️

[subtle bluff]

Yup

It’s literally +50 hp on to your shield Health

[hexed steppe]

When expertise first dropped i had ground mine to around 28 with floor 10. Then they fixed double/triple expertise points per level and I was dropped to 13... floor 10 was bomb for expertise before it was nerfed

[subtle bluff]

Vs a % amount

[reef nova]

It says % though?

[subtle bluff]

Ya it doesn’t math that way. You can check that

[reef nova]

I don't understand the math at all.

I was a fool for taking them at their word, I suppose.

[subtle bluff]

Div2 has some weird wording sometimes.

[hexed steppe]

Memento. Anything with skill efficiency or skill health

[subtle bluff]

Like striker saying Total Weapon Dmg but it’s really a self WD amp.

[reef nova]

How could "+50 Shield Health" mean literally anything else?
Giving me trust issues.

[hexed steppe]

Memento is the #1 shield support item tho

2 free tiers shield tiers , 30% skill health , if you use artificer it scales with memento 30% skill repair

[subtle bluff]

You can go put it on change the shield HP then take it off and check

[hexed steppe]

Isnt it on base shield health and not based on skilltiers

[subtle bluff]

BLAH Eng me better decker

It’s weird

All I remember when I used to check that only that first 2 or 3 numbers moved.

Over a year ago

[reef nova]

I did, that's why I'm so confused.
How could they lie to me like this?

[subtle bluff]

Div math

[reef nova]

Div math is lame then.

[subtle bluff]

Idk I’m just a decent player noticing it all

[reef nova]

I'm just a simple country chicken.

[hexed steppe]

Just grab memento and let it roll. Youll see big shield buff with it stacked

[subtle bluff]

Hmmm foood…

There’s a video I mention here with Tech Tank using Memento

[hexed steppe]

Yes, I also need

[subtle bluff]

HA it was easier to search since tech tank is rarely mentioned here

[reef nova]

Can't.
Using it on another build and my autism won't let me. 😭

[subtle bluff]

Your missing out then

[reef nova]

I believe you.

[hexed steppe]

That's the dumbest excuse I've heard, ngl

Loadouts can all use same items and not disrupt other loadouts

I grew up before PC bs took over, before you get offended

[reef nova]

It's a personal thing. 🤷‍♂️
I just try to make builds that use different stuff.

[hexed steppe]

No worries, but as to your inquiry, memento is a bis item for shields if you want to boost it

[subtle bluff]

Nerfing yourself for your own challenge without understanding the nerf/

[woven moat]

what talent do you use on your gun? flatline or killer?

[subtle bluff]

Killer I’m sure

[woven moat]

looks fun!

[subtle bluff]

Killer is worth more DPS than killer

[hexed steppe]

[subtle bluff]

More of a challenge for a one shot to show but can’t solo a leggo with HB.

At least zoo

[reef nova]

What am I not understanding?

[strange magnet]

hi can anyone shair with me good tank build for group play?

[subtle bluff]

Tank builds don't really work well on div for a few reason.
Main is there is no thread generation or table that helps you hold agro well.
There's no real DR for a tank to be able to just simply tank.

There are builds out there but it's less about tanking but support the teams thru gameplay.

[subtle bluff]

What some gear/stats do better than other than first learning it all then challenging yourself afterwards.

[reef nova]

I'm confused by your statement, but that's probably alright.