td2-build-advice

[strong cave]

You could easily hit countdown and set TL to chest and hope for a max CHD roll. That's my recommendation

[native plume]

Challenging or Heroic for Countdown?

[strong cave]

Challenging, always. If you've got a good build, strikers is fine, you could play heroic

[native plume]

Alrighty

[strong cave]

Make sure you matchmake for it too, follow the group and don't do VIP. It's an objective that can easily fail

[native plume]

I've been shouted to not do VIP for sometimes, whats wrong with VIP?

[strong cave]

The VIP makes some not so smart decisions and tends to get caught in the crossfire. She/He can easily be killed with all the fighting. If a rusher bomber spawns near it, and so is a player, it'll insta kill them. Plus, it takes stupidly long

People tend to naysay against doing VIP but they usually get humbled when the objective fails and some of their countdown credits aren't rewarded due to the failure of an objective

[subtle bluff]

also this chest piece is not the best piece you want to be farming for.

[native plume]

Eh im using with what I can obtain with luck
Just got a Grupo one which near perfect stat but garbage talent

[strong cave]

Ceska chest is best in slot, or equalizer

Depends if you want more sustain or more burst

[native plume]

My CHC is already around 55% and still have Unoptimized CHC stats upgraded on several gear pieces along with SHD watch so having Ceska would kinda be a waste

[strong cave]

And what's your CHD?

[native plume]

80%

[strong cave]

🤣

[native plume]

Too much chc lol

[subtle bluff]

how many stats do you have into CHC.

[strong cave]

No, too much CHC stats more like

[native plume]

All of my gears but I do put chd on mods tho

[strong cave]

There's your problem

[native plume]

I heard chc is capped at 60% right?

[strong cave]

Yes

Are you running a gear set or a brand set build?

[hallow arch]

I think the game is trying to tell me something

[strong cave]

Tbf strikers is easily the most efficient set in the game

[hallow arch]

I mean yeah but I'm too laggy to maintain stacks so I probably won't use it for a while

[strong cave]

Rip

[native plume]

4 striker with backpack along with Coyote mask a Fenris Chest

[hallow arch]

I learned the hard way when I wanted to try Heart Breaker

the game looked like a power point presentation

[subtle bluff]

This is the end number you should be able to get to. -70 CHD that's from Killer. Also 10 from both CHD CHC from watch

[subtle bluff]

what's wrong with HB?

[sullen night]

Is that a website or app? Can you share if so?

[subtle bluff]

It's in the Pinned Messages. Scroll of all the pinned stuff

[hallow arch]

too laggy to maintain the stacks, which is a me problem

[strong cave]

Yeah that's your biggest issue, is rolling CHC on everything. It needs to be CHD with Ceska or Equalizer. Ceska frees up the usage of 1 mod slot, allowing you to take more CHD. The SHD watch grants 10% CHC, Elmo's grants 15%, already at 25%. Ceska gives 8 + 6 = 14%. You're now at 39%. With coyote you'll see another 6%, bringing your total to 44%. Slap on 2 more CHC mods, 12%, and you'll be at 56% CHC with CHD around 140% at max watch level. You made the build wrong

With equalizer, you'll be taking 3 CHC mods instead of 2

[hallow arch]

I can do ND though since the stacks take longer to disappear or if I'm out of combat so it's more accommodating

and the stacks are per kill instead of per shot so yeah

[subtle bluff]

Is this the same with Strikers?

[strong cave]

Yeah on major lag the stacks won't count. I run into this issue frequent when using slow hotspot on a steam deck

[hallow arch]

yes

[strong cave]

You're more likely to die or your lag is so bad it over registers your bullets but maybe 4 of the stacks count

[hallow arch]

at least with ND even if half my bullets don't register as long as I got the kill it counts

[strong cave]

Go Ongoing Directive. It's stackless

Additionally, hotshot also works. Allows you to camp cover and 1 tap all enemies

[hallow arch]

too laggy for sniping too sadly, and even then sniping isn't my forte

[hallow arch]

I've been using OD for a while but I wanted to do smth different

[strong cave]

Determined/HH does basically all the work. Get 1 headshot kill, Bodyshot everything else

Unless they have a helmet, rip

[hallow arch]

the lag throws off my aim sadly

[strong cave]

Please go to a nearby McDonalds or visit a library or something 🙏

[hallow arch]

🥀

[strong cave]

I truly felt that. Love it when internet in my area goes down and I'm stuck in the middle of a neighborhood that gets zero cell signal

[hallow arch]

me when 1 frame per never

[strong cave]

💀💀 dial up internet not FTW

[scenic whale]

@strong cave I’m using the rav build on bittersweet and it is hella nice

I thought this thing would be more unruly but that Zwidoka bonus handles so well

[strong cave]

Wouldn't you want that for healer build tho? Bc the talent plays directly into the repair skills

Doing straight damage just stick to ravenous since the burst damage is the highest in the game

[scenic whale]

You sort of can but since you can just chain perma head shots it’s like super easy to pop someone with it once and then look away and rinse repeat

[strong cave]

At that rate just go full heals

[scenic whale]

So it’s just free real estate determined

[strong cave]

Too many mechanics to go into play you'd be better off not trying to kill + heal. Do 1 or the other

But it does give me hope hearing it's been good lately 👀 I have the next 3 days off from work finally. I'm gonna maximize my time

[scenic whale]

You more like use your allies skills as a free proc then go ham

Solid 3-4 mil a shot and I can spam it

The healing is “competent” enough even without repair skills

And then on rooms with limited HS I just pop Rav out

[scenic whale]

Also I was using some like dog shit NBB FI Zwidoska mix and still got the 3-4 mil a shot

On normal builds you can probably hit way higher

[subtle bluff]

TBH Fify there some testing for us to be said for Bittersweet. I haven't gotten to it yet to test I have a few build theory but haven't sat down to build or test it yet.

[scenic whale]

The only super interesting thing about it so far I’ve seen is the chained head shot

Not sure if the total weapon damage part of the text means you can scale the healing with other TWD bonuses

[magic pilot]

Too early to tell

Most of the player focus has been on CoCo and unit alloy

[gentle lichen]

I saw the bonus armor it's genuinely insane did it get tuned in pvp or not?

[strong cave]

when i get it ill do extensive testing since I love me a good healer build

[lone blade]

What is the most Broken Build for Easy\fast Open world stuff atm? Striker + shield?

[meager fog]

Nego

[hexed steppe]

Determined hotshot

[astral kraken]

yea i'd vote determined hotshot since it handles all directives so well

[hexed steppe]

Should be in sniper setups guide. Pinned sheet 📌

[magic pilot]

What bonus armor?

The rifle?

[strong cave]

this is

[native plume]

best talent for Ceska Chest for Striker?

[magic pilot]

If you go obliterate, UA is better. If you go glass PGC is better

Ceska got dethroned

[meager fog]

**if you're maxed watch and have your weapon modded correctly.

Without maxed watch, Ceska for the crit.

[sharp folio]

What gun would you guys suggest for a heartbreaker build? And is there any armor pieces I should use instead of doing a 6 piece?

[astral kraken]

Check the pinned spreadsheet for a heartbreaker build. Never run 6pc of a gear set. You only need 4 to get max bonuses from the gear set so running 6 is a waste.

[sharp folio]

Good point, thanks

[wraith oak]

Hi, When I reach level 40 on my character, will I be able to raise my weapon level to 40 as well? If so, how do I do that?

[magic pilot]

Yes, crafting station

[wraith oak]

Need a weapon blueprint?

[sharp folio]

Where do I get dmg out of cover mod? (I saw this in one of the builds I'll be running so I'm asking)

[mild ravine]

ask anna i don't know much ab the second game

[mint axle]

Can a DPS nerd confirm something to me? The new brandset named holster itself can be useful as a single piece in comparison with other nameds (like 10% RoF instead of 10% lmg dmg + DoA from contractor gloves).

I'm just curious because the rate of fire applies to all weapons and works well with gunner 5% RoF on kill, and also because the last named item was an accuracy item also.

[hexed steppe]

dttooc is a 3rd attribute roll

[sharp folio]

Uh what's dttooc?

[hexed steppe]

damage to targets out of cover

[mint axle]

Where the f did you get this screenshot from?

[sharp folio]

Spreadsheet of builds

[mint axle]

Oh, makes sense of this weird hud. But it's not a mod, it's an secondary attribute, they can vary on any weapon.

[sharp folio]

The dmg out of cover is a non core attribute then?

[mint axle]

Basically

[hexed steppe]

no. the 1st and 2nd are locked on weapons. 3rd roll is free along with talents... sometimes named items break this rule tho

[mint axle]

Just a disclaimer, I mean secondary as like, not main attributes, (not second as 2nd)

[lost wren]

pgc?

[tardy nacelle]

perfect glass cannon

[lost wren]

ah gotcha

so something like this then for non-chest pgc striker
goes up to 55 chc assuming 3 chc mods on ar

[magic pilot]

Yea looks good

[lost wren]

also sorry @magic pilot for abandoning you yesterday for conflict 💀
had dinner and then my brother was on for the rest of the night

[magic pilot]

Nah your fine, we played maybe 2-3 games

[lost wren]

also for non-chest ob striker, if you want to use two ua pieces could this be good?
uses salvo and equalizer

or would you use a normal ua piece for 2pc

[sharp folio]

What is the chance of getting Coyote's mask with mask targetted loot?

[strong cave]

if youre farming countdown, shouldnt be hard. if youre farming retal, shouldnt be too long nor hard

[sharp folio]

Yeah I meant countdown

[strong cave]

equalizer + odogs is better

[lost wren]

ye ik that's what i normally use

i'm asking if i want to go for the 2pc ua route, would i go normal piece or salvo

[magic pilot]

Overdogs beats salvo, but if you want consistent dmg. Salvo+ equalizer is the best option yea

[lost wren]

stats assuming equalizer + salvo on st elmo

[magic pilot]

What's your chc when optimized?

[lost wren]

55

literally just 0.1 % off 💀

[magic pilot]

Might be worth to go over cap

What's your optimized chd 120% ?

[keen raptor]

Guys, could someone help me with a good pestilence build ? Using it until i drop St Elmo for AR build.

Currently i'm using 3 lengmo (holster, kneepads and chest) + coyote mask + a named backpack that gives 27 weapon dmg when i put status effect on an enemy (It also gives 10% status effect) and a Petrov Gloves (10% lmg dmg).

Gunner spec and have everything on watch but idk good builds because i just got back from 1 year break.

[lost wren]

ye 120

i think 55 chc and 120 chd should be fine(?)

[magic pilot]

55x120=6,600
60x108=6,480

[lost wren]

ye i was right

[magic pilot]

Always worth checking

[lost wren]

ofc

[astral kraken]

have a gift backpack ready for content that'll need it

(to replace overdogs)

[lost wren]

wouldn't recommend

[astral kraken]

up to you. it's my go-to for leggo when running glass striker.

overdogs falls off there

[lost wren]

wouldn't striker bag be too good to drop though?

[magic pilot]

Technically vigi is bis

[astral kraken]

both give you 25% but 2pc prov gives you the chc

[magic pilot]

Personally I don't use vigi for striker, I tend to draw too much agro on striker and I play more aggressive

[astral kraken]

it's worth having it around and see what you like. ive gone through many variations and landed on that as my most reliable build.

[rustic jackal]

Is this build viable for heroic / legendary? Really want to make a vile build that is useful for high end content

[strong cave]

pestilence isnt a status effect. post the build instead

[strong cave]

no

did you have Chat GPT generate that build?

[rustic jackal]

No it was a comment on Reddit from around 8 months ago

[strong cave]

theres your problem

[lost wren]

reddit

[magic pilot]

Reddit 👉 🚪

[rustic jackal]

I mean, sometimes Reddit has good builds on, I'm just here looking for a vile build that doesn't suck

[astral kraken]

It's not good. The only thing it has going for it is you can sit in the back and slowly (and I mean slooowly) weaken the enemies. But you can be much more effective by just shooting things with a good DPS build. Or using an EP CC build to help your DPS teammates kill stuff faster.

[keen raptor]

Oh really??? Dammmm...tyvm !

I'll take some screenshots later when i get home again, tyvm!

[magic pilot]

Uhhh they are generally hot garbage and the people who post them get mad if you offer advice

[strong cave]

vile has no use in Leggo or Heroic

and looking on reddit is just asking for the equivalent of a Ninjabike build thats as good as a brick for christmas

this build would be great for both Heroic/Leggo

[rustic jackal]

Any advice on a good EP CC build? Maybe that's the direction to look if vile really is that bad

[strong cave]

my post above

[astral kraken]

Unfortunately people are really bad at figuring out how effective their build is in legendary. Some people have no idea you can clear some legendary encounters in 30 seconds without comms or anything special. They're used to spending 10+ minutes on a single encounter getting pummeled.

Other people get carried by good DPS builds and think they're helping but they're not. That's usually the tank builds.

Yea what @strong cave posted is solid.

[rustic jackal]

Ok thanks, I'll have to lookup the icons in game to figure out what you've posted, but thanks, appreciate it!

[strong cave]

if you want another crowd control build, ill give another

[astral kraken]

I like to hotswap into this when overcharge is on cooldown or if one of the encounters has warhounds. The gloves give some more status effect and the EMP sticky will put the dogs to sleep.

[strong cave]

this is another solid crowd control build 💯

and the best part? youll be helping the team TREMENDOUSLY!

[lost wren]

this with perfect glass is 🔥

[strong cave]

;)

[astral kraken]

😄

[strong cave]

Setup backpack, named Uzina Getica backpack. Gloves are BTSU

[hexed steppe]

A good pestilence build right now is the new coco set. The new set generates a lot of weapon damage which is a big driver of pesti ticks damage. This is a group build and is slower to build stacks solo. Obv pesti isnt status like mentioned already i think.

This is what I roll and im seeing an average of 2mil for tick damage

[lost wren]

30 expertise on pgc

[strong cave]

yup I mentioned pesti isnt status, btw isnt the backpack on coco bugged?

[astral kraken]

Because it's my favorite ^_^

[strong cave]

I see major material waste

[lost wren]

how much armor is that lol

[hexed steppe]

Not afaik

[astral kraken]

A little more than 1 blue core

[strong cave]

enough to take 1 more bullet

[astral kraken]

obligatory chip damage video

[keen raptor]

Tyvm!!!!

[hexed steppe]

Use contractors if you dont have overdogs yet

[keen raptor]

That exotic gloves are from last season...which i did not played.

It is possible to farm it in this season?

[hexed steppe]

If you do hyena Retaliation I think kill squads can drop the blueprint. That's how I got mine

I'm not sure if they've been added to the loot pool or not. I haven't had a drop or cache with overdogs yet this season

[keen raptor]

Got it! Tyvmmmm!!

[rustic jackal]

And what are the minor attributes/ mods on this please?

[stone python]

Hunters fury still a viable build?

[hexed steppe]

Yes

[onyx sage]

status effects attributes and skill haste attributes/mods

[strong cave]

everything status effects. and skill haste mods

[rustic jackal]

Thanks! And last dumb question hopefully, what hive and chem launcher are those, stinger and riot foam?

[strong cave]

stinger/foam yees

[rustic jackal]

perfect tyvm

time to get farming

[magic pilot]

Are you home to test? I've heard it is bugged

Not giving as much WD as it says

[hexed steppe]

I am not unfortunately

The only thing I noticed bugged was the stacking mechanic itself, but I think that had to do with the deltas, because after the maintenance it stacks normal.

Ill take a look tonight, but if anyone has a chance to test sooner, tag me in the results

[magic pilot]

I'll be home in 2 hours I can test

[sharp folio]

What 4 armor piece set would you guys recommend me to run in dark zone for pvp/pve?

[magic pilot]

Checked the pinned Google sheet it has a pvp doc

[strong cave]

strikers

[jade eagle]

Hey there, I use tipping scale in junction with a stoner lamg frenzy, and it hits at top 1,800,000 dmg but I need advice, also in general, for protection regarding tank build?

[subtle bluff]

Problem with using frenzy with stoner is that your usable uptime with frenzy isn't great.
Tanking in div2 isn't really a thing bullets hurt.

[lone blade]

Currently im running a SR-1 replica on my sniper, is it worth farming for a White death 0r m44 Or M700 instead? For solo play

[solar sable]

for what build?

[lone blade]

running a hotshot build i saw on the spreadhseet, but might look into the "sniper" one.

[solar sable]

I'd say it's about preference rather than what's best imho

because white death has a slower reload time than SR-1 that has a mag

[lone blade]

Thank you 🙂

[magic pilot]

With hotshot if running 4pc reload shouldn't be much of an issue

[solar sable]

oh yeah that too

[zinc canyon]

Can someone help me with a heart breaker build that has blue cores and running st Elmo’s?ci want around 1.6 mil armour Im shd level 100 so still new

[magic pilot]

St Elmo doesn't work well with HB

You need a high end weapon that takes linked laser pointer

[zinc canyon]

Except I wanna run that until I get chameleon

[urban latch]

Neither of those work real well with heartbreaker

Especially chameleon

[zinc canyon]

I see people solo legendary with it hitting around 900k a shot

[urban latch]

just saying they hit 900k a shot isnt really a good metric of a build, or impressive

check out the google doc in the pins, theres a heartbreaker guide in there you should check out

[zinc canyon]

I don’t care about the ridiculously high damage I saw it and it looked fun but I’m not at the level with perfect gear and high shd

[astral kraken]

check the pinned sheet for recommended builds (including a heartbreaker setup). best to start there.

heartbreaker isn't that good for legendary anyway. it does fine in heroic tho.

[zinc canyon]

I’m not planning on doing legendary

If you don’t wanna help with the build I wanna try that’s fine I don’t want to use meta I want to use what I enjoy and be able to hit more damage when I use heartbreaker because right now I don’t do very much

I’ll worry about meta when I have more than 1 expertise and not shd level 100 when I do legendary solo

[lost wren]

how good is tipping scales and how do you build/play it?

[urban latch]

we're both trying to help you by pointing you in the direction of a guide with all the info you're looking for

[half cedar]

Bullet King with Tipping Scale

[astral kraken]

It's sort of a sidegrade to striker. The big drawback is you lose stacks very quickly so it works really well with a high sustain DPS weapon and places where you can continuously shoot. The bullet king is good but really any decent weapon with good sustain DPS will do.

The nice thing is you can charge up your stacks before enemies show up.

[half cedar]

Tipping scale down side is Loosing stack VERY quick just like Breakpoint.

You spend half the time to restack up for dmg.

[astral kraken]

I like high sustain builds and honestly don't use it b/c of the stack loss speed.

[lost wren]

striker ftw ig

[half cedar]

You can run Tipping Scale with Bullet King. Work pretty nicely on solo. Since most of ememy just gonna drop dead.

[magic pilot]

M60 with measured is my go to for tipping scales

[magic pilot]

Making a good setup early on is going to help make farming and clearing content easier/faster. no one is saying you have to run a certain weapon or build

But if you want to use chameleon or Elmo I'd suggest HF for chameleon and strikers for Elmo

You can make tankier setups for both without losing on a crazy amount of dmg

[half cedar]

Wait chameleon was always a smg?

[magic pilot]

It's classed as an AR but performs like an smg

[subtle bluff]

Just curious what does "meta" mean you?

[subtle bluff]

That's with Strikers BTW.

[half cedar]

The highest I seen was 1.1M or 1.2M

[lament reef]

if you have the super soaker joke gun, you can use that to maintain stacks

it’s even silent

[half cedar]

Super Soaker Joke?

[lament reef]

Cooler, named gun that does no damage but gives haz pro to allies if you spray them

you can get it from the loot goblin

[half cedar]

Wasnt there one that shoot snowball too?

[zinc canyon]

It wasn’t tho it was with heartbreaker chameleon what I saw I’ve also seen strikers and use that right now and it’s fun but wanna change it

[zinc canyon]

Just using the best possible items and builds and min maxing it all

[subtle bluff]

TBF context of you just sharing what you see it's harder for us to figure out what's going on. There' a lot context missing is really what I am saying.

[zinc canyon]

Also i apologise if I’m coming off rude I’ve realised what I’ve said might be a little aggressive just trying to figure out how to improve what I’ve listed a bit before don’t mean to cause any harm

[zinc canyon]

I’m wanting to use heartbreaker memento with chameleon when I unlock it and blue cores too to sit around 1.6 million armour and I also want to use the pulse skill just not sure what variant of it Im using the gunner class too

[subtle bluff]

So when most of us say meta it we mean - most effective tactics available
I know some think like your thought just pure min maxing.

[subtle bluff]

Do you have the video of this HB Cham build being ran?

Also you kind of just said the build idk what else we could do to help you.

[zinc canyon]

Ah ok I don’t really want to use whats most effective right now I’m using a build that I just put together without a guide rn and I’m getting through heroic pretty well just want to use some things that seem cool to me rn

[zinc canyon]

I’m just wanting to know which sought of armour I should use in what slot and the rolls I want on it etc

[subtle bluff]

To note you are in #td2-build-advice it's what we do in here. Sorry if that's not the intent you wanted.

[zinc canyon]

Yeah I can find it in a second

[candid depot]

i have the eb, and want rav

which is better?

[subtle bluff]

If you want HB you need 4pcs of it. Then Memento that's the 5th.

[candid depot]

I want to know if i should grind for eb

[subtle bluff]

Neither to be blunt.

[candid depot]

then which is better compared to each other

[subtle bluff]

I need more context of what you're trying to do.

[zinc canyon]

What pieces should I run of hb?I have chest holster knee pads and gloves rn but I’m wanting to use the mask so I can use my other gloves I like is the chest good? For the extra bonus stacks

[subtle bluff]

Chest rest doesn't matter

[subtle bluff]

Why I am circling back to you.

[subtle bluff]

We use guides is because it's so we save our time by investing it into a guide. Having to explain things that are explained already very well.

Time in general.

[candid depot]

like any context

[subtle bluff]

Having to explain things that are explained already very well.

[subtle bluff]

You mean content?

[candid depot]

yea

[subtle bluff]

and you want a build?

[zinc canyon]

Ok thank you for your help 👍

[candid depot]

no

[subtle bluff]

ok... see this question about wanting context?

[candid depot]

yes

[subtle bluff]

Like I could help you out slowly answering questions here but the guide explain most of it and if nothing use the guide has a template to understand to what you want to do.

I'll never force someone to do something it's a advice toward what is the meta for the content and context what there trying to do.

[subtle bluff]

If you're trying to compare EB or Rav, there isn't one. One is very much mid weapon the other is a niche weapon because of it's niche talents. Neither are used in normal PvE.

[zinc canyon]

Just one quick question should I use the hb chest piece?

[hexed steppe]

Always

Hb chest is bis

[zinc canyon]

Ok

Ty

[urban latch]

Hb chest is "meta"

[hexed steppe]

Uh oh

Meta bad?

Honestly I would hate chasing chameleons buffs, on top of trying to pulse everything... just makes more sense using tech class linked laser on a solid highend lex or m4.. get a free skill tier on top and open up a slot for something really useful... like a revive hive for when my massive amount of armor gets evaporated because not enough dps.

But that's jmho

[subtle bluff]

I mean you don't have to but if you want both more dmg and some more bonus armor it is the go to.

[half cedar]

Is there any otber smg has fire rate like Ouroboros, or Chatterbox when talent is on.
(Basically high fire rate)

[subtle bluff]

Define high RPM?

number wise.

[half cedar]

1000+

[subtle bluff]

Also all these numbers you can find in the gearsheet

[half cedar]

cause I run Ouroboros. Fire rate is like 1032 something like that. But then I can barely proc the talent for the smg

[subtle bluff]

Vector's, SMG9's and P90 are all above 1k rpm.
Ouro RPM is 1,403

[half cedar]

We got a exotic variant for those smgs? Beside vectors ofc

[subtle bluff]

it's all in the gearsheet

or any of the builders

[oblique sundial]

hello guys any good set up for the pestiloence to shrewd people?

[subtle bluff]

"people"?

[oblique sundial]

enemies

[subtle bluff]

PvE?

[oblique sundial]

group or solo

[subtle bluff]

There's a few in the Build Hub there will be another added soon here.

[oblique sundial]

on the spread sheet?

[subtle bluff]

Yes

[half cedar]

Heard Camaderie with Pestilence is up game currently

[oblique sundial]

where do i go to on the page

[subtle bluff]

Build Hub

[oblique sundial]

ok then where

[subtle bluff]

Look for Pestilence or search.

[oblique sundial]

red dps right

i dont see any pesti builds

[subtle bluff]

You're here right?

[half cedar]

#td2-build-advice message

right here

[oblique sundial]

i found it thanks

iim confused bro

which one exactly do i follow

[subtle bluff]

whatever is easiest to farm..

It's a guide. Plz read it.

[oblique sundial]

i have all these piecies which obe is the best overall

[subtle bluff]

Or local can explain the new one.

[hexed steppe]

If group use coco like I have posted. Solo you can go tipping scales or highend.

[oblique sundial]

the new one will work because enemies are more powerful in this season

[hexed steppe]

New set when stacked im seeing 1.3ish mil crits and 2mil pesti ticks

[subtle bluff]

No. There's the same.

[oblique sundial]

all which one is the coco is it the lengmo

[subtle bluff]

None of them?

[hexed steppe]

Coco

[oblique sundial]

which one is the coco

[hexed steppe]

#td2-build-advice message

[onyx sage]

what a meta slave. u guys just hate fun

[oblique sundial]

is it on the spread sheet so i can follow all the mods atributes etc

[hexed steppe]

Not yet

[oblique sundial]

i wouldijt know what to put lol

I don't have too much knowledge

[subtle bluff]

It's explain in the guide

[hexed steppe]

Chc to 55-60 range, rest chd.
Pesti is rolled chc 3rd stat
3 chc rolls on gearset
Chc/chc on chest and glove.
All else chd

[oblique sundial]

he said its not on there

[onyx sage]

it's about coco

yeah idt coco has a guide yet

[oblique sundial]

provide the link for coco if its avl

[hexed steppe]

Above lists my modding

[subtle bluff]

my poor desk..

[tardy nacelle]

farming for a ceska vigil backpack is lowkey killing my brain

[oblique sundial]

sorry local i need the piecies names lol

[tardy nacelle]

just want 1 crit stat with a vigil and ill do the rest

[astral kraken]

we've all been there. you are not alone. lol

[hexed steppe]

Read it again. You need 4 pieces. i list gloves and chest that are obv not coco when looking at the ss.

[oblique sundial]

thaank you

[hexed steppe]

Why skilltier ?

Less damage

[subtle bluff]

CRAP

[oblique sundial]

local so just follow what he put up there in the pic

[subtle bluff]

I need to fix that we have it default in the builder

[oblique sundial]

ok got it

[hexed steppe]

Basically. All red main cores tho for max damage. I use ceska glass chest but petrov is good if have.

Make sure to get your chance around 55-60. Actual chc/chd placement doesnt make a difference as long as you can hit that mark and not over 60chc. Its easier if you have a chc rolled pesti, so just be mindful of your stats when building

[oblique sundial]

im goojg to follow the picture that should work

[subtle bluff]

It's Overdogs, Either Petrov GC or PGC (The P. Glass Cannon) Chest and 4pcs Co Co.
CHC up to 60% The rest of CHD.

[oblique sundial]

if i dont have pretrov may i use ceska cheat

[onyx sage]

ye

[oblique sundial]

chest

[subtle bluff]

btw @tardy nacelle what build are you farming for?

[tardy nacelle]

the backpack is for the HB build

so it quite literally is a ceska vigil bp or go home, no?

[onyx sage]

you're on the right track then

yeah if u want optimal for HB, but depends on the situation that there are good alternatives

[strong cave]

I mean, could use memento if playing solo and use 1 Ceska piece like gloves or holster or mask

You'll gain damage, armor, and regen

[onyx sage]

yeah memento is great for solo, since you're not really gonna use HB for group hard content

[strong cave]

Unless if using strikers is too hard for you, then yes he's right

[subtle bluff]

I mean you can.. but it's hard to.

[tardy nacelle]

Aight then, yeah I only run strikers in group content anyways

I ran strikers for the last 2months got a bit bored of it everywhere if u get me

[subtle bluff]

Ya I need to rework both Striker and HB guides

[tardy nacelle]

If I need pure raw dps I'll always run it for sure

[onyx sage]

for the more casual stuff u can definitely run other builds than striker

[tardy nacelle]

Just a bit bored of it

[onyx sage]

i just run hunters fury

[strong cave]

I've been on my Pointman + Galvanize side quest. My loved one has been running DPS trying to learn the ropes

[tardy nacelle]

Yeah I ran it a few times its fun but I dunno I just love that 30m range to shoot from

[onyx sage]

you can hybrid it like i do and run it like hotshot

[tardy nacelle]

Stuck with me from all the tac shooters I played

[astral kraken]

nego is fun too. it's fun to play around with marking stuff.

[onyx sage]

yeah negotiator is also really strong and unlike striker it's still strong against weaker content

[tardy nacelle]

I'll give memento a spin, have a ceska mask rdy anyways

well have every ceska piece rdy but the vigil bag

[onyx sage]

with negotiator you can use nego backpack, i should mention if u have all the other pieces

[astral kraken]

i like that you introduce rifles into nego as well

[onyx sage]

it can be as strong if not stronger than striker in legendary, just not incursion or other boss content

[astral kraken]

thats when i use the socom m1a to relive the div1 glory days

[tardy nacelle]

Ill give Nego a spin after as well

[magic pilot]

doesnt look bugged

[vernal elbow]

Hello. I think I'm finally ready to ask for some advice on my Marksman Rifle build as i feel like ive hit a wall. I switch between the shroud and white death, but I'm sure there's something for me to start grinding for thats better than what I got. I have recently switched to 3 pieces of breakpoint set, Sawyer's Kneepads, Cherished armor, and an HG holster. Don't get a ton of time to play so I primarily play solo PvE, and ready to grind for some real upgrades. Thanks in advance! (I checked the pinned stuff, but i may just not understand what im actually looking at as far as tables, and data. Tried to keep it brief, sorry. )

[onyx sage]

ditch cherished, use chainkiller
ditch sawyer's, use anything else like fox's prayer

you now have yourself a basic headhunter build using mmr. if you want more advice check out the spreadsheet pinned here, click the Hub tab and check out the Sniper Setups guide

[half cedar]

This build set me up for 26M/shot headshot dmg. Or I can go higher?

[hexed steppe]

Sounds pretty decent for non optimized and no expertise. As you get it tightened up that damage cap will improve

[onyx sage]

sounds about right yeah, it's a m700 carbon too which can be higher if u used model 700 or white death

[half cedar]

Stick to white death better?

[onyx sage]

it's a different gun so there's that but yeah

m700 carbon has mag reload so it will feel slightly better

white death is round reload but mag reload with no rounds left

[astral kraken]

try sr-1, m700, m700 carbon, white death, tac 308
see which one feels the best and that's a good pick

i use an sr-1 and it's more than enough for legendary sniping

for me the rpm and handling feel just right. past a certain point the damage doesn't really matter anymore.

[half cedar]

Attribute you want health dmg or preferablt DToC?

[onyx sage]

dttooc

[half cedar]

U use +5 round mag?

[astral kraken]

yea

most important thing when testing is this:

• 1st shot should kill a red enemy
• 2nd shot should kill a purple enemy
• 3rd shot should kill an elite (or named if solo)

[half cedar]

Wjat about your Muzzle and Underbarrel?

[astral kraken]

it doesn't matter. i picked those because they look cool 😎

[half cedar]

Holo sight?

[astral kraken]

yea. it lets me play more aggressive.

[half cedar]

Ohhh Better view too I see

[astral kraken]

yea and you aim in faster

[hexed steppe]

Stability . If you can hit 100% stability youll have no scope sway when you ads

[onyx sage]

they do kinda matter

[astral kraken]

hmm yea good point. sr-1 is already so stable i barely notice the stab mods.

[onyx sage]

it's about preaiming tho

any gun would benefit from 100% stab

[astral kraken]

the non suppressed sound is so yucky!

@half cedar they're right tho go with stab

[half cedar]

Ohhh I definitely like Holo sight

Faster to aim.

[hexed steppe]

I would say sight is preference. Hotshot setups are already stacked with hsd so qol is available there

White death does really well with a non scope sight tbh... learned that from an average player I ran into a few times 🐐

[half cedar]

I never thought there would be a Non-scope sight for mmr

Until today

[hexed steppe]

I mean like what was mentioned

Granted that player was using whitedeath on a hunters fury build, but thats beside the point

[native plume]

Grupo or Coyote Mask better for solo Striker?

[lament birch]

Oohh :0

[last schooner]

FML, god rolled Lengmo with CHC and CHD chest but Gunslinger. trash?

[subtle bluff]

Save it. Not trash

[last schooner]

Run LMG build with 1 blue core or gunslinger? Lol

[torpid hollow]

oh dang i just found out about ninjabike, is that as busted as it sounds?

[subtle bluff]

It's a trap

[subtle bluff]

Like I said Save it Stash it.

[native plume]

Does the Birdie QuickFix pack fast revive works for both Downed and Flat lined agents?

[ashen violet]

It's always the 2nd best to momento
Since momento also gives all three cores and a very powerful talent

[native plume]

Okay then it seems to only obtainable from old Manhunt Climax mission which I currently dont have so can I join someone else's who has/completed it to earn the Backpack?

[half cedar]

@kind epoch

[ashen violet]

You can do the old manhunt climax missions
You just go to manhunt and click on the legacy manhunt button

[native plume]

Im aware but im currently at the 3rd one unfortunately

[ashen violet]

You don't have to do them in order

[subtle bluff]

Uh?

[half cedar]

Just do the mission that drop it or Master difficulty that is guaranteef

[native plume]

Okay then how hard is this "Master" difficulty?

[torpid hollow]

which man hunt is for momento?

[subtle bluff]

none

[ashen violet]

Get a team together.

[torpid hollow]

oh

[half cedar]

Between Heroic and Legendary

[native plume]

Its that hard? 💀

[ashen violet]

Yes

[half cedar]

Some can solo like it is bread and butter

[ashen violet]

If you're asking how hard it is, get a team together

[ashen violet]

You need to farm retaliation to get momento blueprints and pieces.

[subtle bluff]

Wee really don't.... It takes more than one a most of the time.

Maybe modifiers even then.

[ashen violet]

Oh and if you have modifiers active it'll switch to whatever the modifier of that season was

[half cedar]

I even forgot what modifier The Manager Season’s was about 😂

After dealing with that mission so buggy that i had to do it twice

[native plume]

@subtle bluff you sure the QuickFix backpack fast revive works on Flat lined agents?

[subtle bluff]

YES.

[native plume]

Okay I'll take your word for it

[subtle bluff]

It's OP by any means.

[half cedar]

Speaking of. Is Tempest even worth it?

[subtle bluff]

EH.

[half cedar]

okay. Good to know. Since I skipped The Pact most of the second half. How much I hate dealing with territory control maintenance

[kind epoch]

@misty bridge @half cedar

Oh shoot not the right setup hold on

My bad, this is the one

[half cedar]

I would go for Nightwatcher mask. And replace shield for Pulse

Thats how mine is set.

[gentle lichen]

Get a ceska bag with wicked and you're gucci

[kind epoch]

this almost gets me through most of challenging, except for some CP4s (cinderblock destroys me going solo). works for casual peons on heroic but other than that, i still need to work on gameplay for heroic

[gentle lichen]

Pulse isn't a status if you wanna proc od hollowpoints with it

[kind epoch]

i actually dont use skills 😅😅😅 straight gunfire is my style

[half cedar]

It is for the Bluescreen when I use it

Otherwise I have different mask.

[gentle lichen]

What's the benefit? Doesn't bluescreen already pulse if talent procs

Pulse by itself without OC isn't really that good of a pve skill to have

[kind epoch]

unfortunately i haven't came across any pieces with wicked grinding CD this whole week

[gentle lichen]

If you want a good pulse tho go gunner and use banshee you can proc ammo from it and disorient cc

[kind epoch]

issue for me is the weapon doesn't fire fast enough for the talent to proc at times. either that or my timing absolutely sucks

im still learning how to better use the setup because some players can use this same setup and get into NPC faces and absolutely dominate while i just keep dying LOL idk why

[gentle lichen]

The named backpack? It's a support bag usually used with FI healer builds

[subtle bluff]

Why I mention that bluescreen isn't worth to use unlessy ou have health targets or all of them to shoot.

[gentle lichen]

I'm itching though do i use red FI with perf oppo or ceska bag with normal oppo

[kind epoch]

i farmed a maxed out mk46 last night with LMG damage, DTTOOC, and CHC, but with in sync. i still got killed quick. i plan on farming CD for tinkerer mask but because i dont know how to uset the setup properly, farming that mask may be useless for me

[gentle lichen]

The mask isn't farmable you only get it from the master mission

[kind epoch]

mb i didn't nkow

[subtle bluff]

You don't nee dot be max to have it work

[gentle lichen]

Well it does drop at a % if heroic or below but guaranteed way is master difficulty

[subtle bluff]

Don't sweat min-max off the bat.

[half cedar]

Mine OD is with tinkerer.

1lmg with Killer the other one with sadist.

1 wicked talent Backpack (forgot which brand I put there)

[gentle lichen]

Either grupo or ceska
Grupo gonna have less value but ye minmaxing is for endgame

[kind epoch]

oh then im just not good enough then haha

i mean at this point i dont know what i should be farming to maximize my time in CD tbh

[wraith zealot]

habsburg unicorn roflmao.

[subtle bluff]

Ceska

[wraith zealot]

shoot for the stars!

[half cedar]

#td2-build-advice message

if you ever want to set Tinkerer

[gentle lichen]

I farmed for this in cd retaliation everything for 4 days and when i got it it was from a random territory control cache 🥹

You gotta love div

[subtle bluff]

Yup. End story just farm something till you get Wicked

[kind epoch]

i have ceska armor but it's got weapon damage, chc, and status effects with tag team so i mean to me it's irrelevant?

[wraith zealot]

you gotta think in your minds that you're not looking for what you're looking for. This game read minds.

[half cedar]

Farm a new one

[kind epoch]

yeah had a feeling 😭

[subtle bluff]

All the small stuff you'll find in time.

[half cedar]

Ideally with 3 right thing so you can calibrate the wrong stat or talent.

“Unless” you are getting lucky and get every the right stat and Talent

[subtle bluff]

Ideally you're looking 2 of the 3 things

[gentle lichen]

With unicorns you want all rolls to be what you want to roll the fixed core attribute

[half cedar]

Oh right i forgot Ceska always gives W.Dmg.

[gentle lichen]

Examples include the setup
Double crit glass lengmo (deprecated as of tu 23)

[wraith zealot]

tbf we need to rename things that only need 2/3 rolls to be useful. Zebra? 3/3 is unicorn.

[subtle bluff]

I don't hate the idea but..

[kind epoch]

wait farm wicked regardless of piece? that is ofc i get dttooc and/or weapon damage?

[wraith zealot]

if we call some 2/3 farm target unicorn then things get confusing real fast

since theres a lot of those. Anyway...

[kind epoch]

i legit get some 3/3 max stats but for weapons/pieces i'll most likely never use 😂 im like come on LOL

[gentle lichen]

a 2/3 isn't the same as another 2/3
one may have recalibrated crit with a fixed talent and other might have a double crit with rerollable talent

[half cedar]

Backpack:

Ceska or groupo

With Wicked talent

chc chd.

2/3 at least

If 2 wrong farm again basically

[wraith zealot]

eh in the end of the day you probably gonna use that specific gear for that specific build right? Unless you're fine with changing talents everytime you change your build.

[gentle lichen]

For repurposing usually when the build isn't used anymore as to not farm again for a talent of the same brand

Helps stash space not be cluttered too with the same bags just different talents

[wraith zealot]

that's alright, personally i just chuck non used build to my 2nd and 3rd character 🤣

[native plume]

Coyote or Gruppo mask for solo Striker?

[wraith zealot]

hmm, do you have overdogs?

[native plume]

I think I do, let's assume that I have

Was it the exotic glove free from thr previous pass?

[wraith zealot]

use overdawgs, then slot in grupo/ceska mask.

[subtle bluff]

Ceska is great with low mods stuff
UA is BiS with Killer.

I'll have to work on some of guides sooon

[native plume]

I already have Ceska chest with obliterate

[subtle bluff]

Works!!!

[native plume]

But pondering if the Coyote Mask is a good choice or not

Seems like it needs to be replaced

[wraith zealot]

i always appreciate it in team content. But you're talking about solo so...

[native plume]

The Overdogs gloves looks decent but the Talent is quite confusing because of my mid English skills

[pastel basin]

Just shoot the lower tiered enemies first basically, then the higher ones

[wraith zealot]

attack the most common enemy types and work your way up. so like go for enemies skill proxy, then rusher, then assault, so on.

[native plume]

Lowest tier as in Tier 1?

[pastel basin]

I honestly don’t understand it either but the overdogs is still busted even if you don’t understand how the talent works

[pastel basin]

Like red health bar enemies, then purple and then elite and then whatever boss there is

[wraith zealot]

oh also, enemy color doesnt matter.

[pastel basin]

WHATTTT!

[wraith zealot]

what matters is unit type

[pastel basin]

Let me read the description for once lol

[native plume]

Im assuming Lowest ranking is Tier 1?

[pastel basin]

So, would tier 1 or tier 3 be the lowest enemy?

The way they have the tiers is confusing

Cause the talent is called weakest link, and usually it would be the weakest enemy in the hierarchy, but hunters and such are in tier 1?

[wraith zealot]

T1 is the lowest

[honest moss]

Tier 1 = highest so tier 3 is lowest

[hexed steppe]

tier 3 lowest

[native plume]

Eh

[pastel basin]

We’re getting 2 different answers 😭

[hexed steppe]

lowest rank isnt gonna be named enemies... right 🤦‍♂️

[honest moss]

Iirc it is also in order of who gets the extra damage in the listings

[pastel basin]

Well yeah but hello is making me second guess myself from it lol

[hexed steppe]

lmao, its a simple talent

[honest moss]

Basically read the talent backwards, so the first tier to go for is tier 3. And so on

[pastel basin]

Yeah

[hexed steppe]

what do you normally prioritize

do the opposite

[pastel basin]

The red health enemies then purple then yellow

But honestly, I kinda just shoot whoever is there in front of me ngl

[hexed steppe]

oh jeeze,

[magic pilot]

Not veterancy

Also that's a terrible way to prioritize targets lol

[wraith zealot]

that's true, i explained my self correctly but referring to the image wrongly.

[hexed steppe]

prio is usually threat based, overdogs flips it on its head

[pastel basin]

I don’t even prioritize any tbh, I always just shoot whoever is there first

[wraith zealot]

when overdogs, target t3 and work your way up for the amp damage.

[hexed steppe]

if you use nego with them you can transfer that damage to highest threats 😎

[native plume]

Same here lol but I tend to go for Red first

[pastel basin]

With overdogs + backfire, there’s legit no reason to prioritize when you deal so much damage already, just pew pew

[wraith zealot]

i mean, if you're not going to prioritize you shouldnt use overdogs.

use something else instead.

hmm i worded that wrongly i think.

[honest moss]

Typically i say take out rushers first then go from there since they always drop super quick and try to get close.

[magic pilot]

Optimal non Overdogs setup is salvo+UA vigi but practical build is salvo+ normal non bp or chest UA. @pastel basin

[pastel basin]

But like more damage, legit with the way I play (which is 100% brain dead) I always have the combined amount of dps from all my Teamates, x2 or x3 even, at the end of the mission at least

[wraith zealot]

what i mean is might as well prioritize to utilize overdogs since that's how you gonna get the most out of it.

[hexed steppe]

sounds like bad team mates

[pastel basin]

Ohh yeah I’ve been meaning to ask, do yk of someone who has done the math on which setup does more dps?

This or with the equalizer chest piece

[magic pilot]

For the new stuff?

[pastel basin]

Yeah 👍

[wraith zealot]

some hybrid build fella perhaps

[wraith zealot]

@subtle bluff did

there;s image of it somewhere

[magic pilot]

These are the optimal non Overdogs setups

[hexed steppe]

probably a bunch of 6blue strikers

[pastel basin]

Nahhhh frrrr, it’s legit constant, the only times I find good teamates is so legendary constant, and even then it’s still close for what I said earlier but not to the 2x or 3x

[subtle bluff]

Let me see if I fixed it

[magic pilot]

These include overdogs from DJtickle

[pastel basin]

I will never take off overdogs fr

[kind epoch]

dang i got both wicked and perfect glass cannon backpacks in the same round 😂not perfect stats though

[pastel basin]

At least for strikers

[wraith zealot]

striker = big damage, blue = survivability. Win win if i say so myself.

[magic pilot]

Optimal overdog setup is overdog+unit vigi backpack

But salvo+ overdogs is 1.4% lower

[hexed steppe]

surviving and living are 2 different things 😉

[magic pilot]

For non chest striker sacrifice+overdogs is the best

For obliterate striker equalizer+overdogs

[pastel basin]

Ooo let me try that rq

[subtle bluff]

I have new one I was working to include me and an avg players love. I Iron Lung... OH you guys wait.

[pastel basin]

Yeah but the damage increase is so small that 60% more damage to you isn’t worth it

[subtle bluff]

If you can rock it's hits

[pastel basin]

For me it was like 100k more per bullet give or take

[subtle bluff]

I gave you numbers!

[pastel basin]

Definitely not for me 😭, I don’t play safe at all

[pastel basin]

SORRY!

I genuinely don’t understand what’s happening in that picture
Give me one sec to use my brain

[subtle bluff]

Look at burst %

[kind epoch]

so for OD, wicked over perfect glass cannon right? for my playstyle?

[subtle bluff]

Does the guide not help you enough?

[kind epoch]

that's what i had and then just now i switched from lavoisier to gerilla for ceska with wicked

other pieces stayed the same

[wraith zealot]

when does putting in other chest talent ever work for OD over its set chest talent? never? When i started using od that 50% is too good to pass.

[pastel basin]

@subtle bluff so from my understanding from the picture you sent, Perfect obliterate is best, or cezka with glass cannon?

[subtle bluff]

It's really strong.

[pastel basin]

So either one would be best for most dps, depending on your playstyle?

[subtle bluff]

Weapons matter too

[pastel basin]

But glass cannon over perfect obliterate basically

[wraith zealot]

i dont like glass canon, why they make a cannon out of glass.

iron shortage?

[pastel basin]

Oh yeah I was planning on doing it with this but I didn’t know which chest piece to use

[subtle bluff]

Give it a shot!

I'll be looking for UA GC for myself

[pastel basin]

Cezka goes over the chc by like 1% I think, and both the other 3 chest pieces keep it at 58% I think

[hallow arch]

Just got the oxpecker, there any builds I can do with it?

[subtle bluff]

IT's bad

[hallow arch]

Yikesss

[solar sable]

yeah its not great

[hallow arch]

R.i.p lol

Well at least I got the Beacon exotic so maybe I can make a dmg/skill build now

[sharp folio]

Where do I get (or how do I get) backfire gun?

[wraith zealot]

you could try going for smg targeted loot in CDown, retal or summit, after that its all luck

[lament birch]

<< EAT MY DUST, SON!!! >>

<< FROM 20 SECONDS ON THE CLOCK ON THE SECOND TO LAST POINT TO 7 MINUTES WITH BACK TO BACK BOSS-SQUAD + KILL-SQUAD TAGS TAKEN!! >>

<< I ONLY WENT DOWN! NO DEATHS! LAWRENCE SPEARS CLUTCHED UP WITH THE RPG ON THE LADDER! >>

I got my gloves and mask almost to maximum weapon damage, so they REALLY helped me out in the long run :DD

(Used mats to bump them from 12.3% to 13.6% on both pieces, since everything almost has maximum strength rolled or applied)

My first Relat sortie W in a very long while!!

[torpid hollow]

who are some good youtubers for uptodate solo builds?

[subtle bluff]

almost anything can be used in solo

most build haven't changed for years and are still good

[wraith zealot]

below legendary just use one shot build.

[subtle bluff]

95% of the build hub is good.

[solar sable]

def not kvd

you have a spreadsheet full of builds in the pinned messages in this channel, that's way better than listening to a guy on yt

[lament birch]

I’ve been cooking up my build by your suggestions and my own tinkering :3

[torpid hollow]

one shot build would jsut get me one shot lol i need something tankier then that

in not very good at getting into cover

[subtle bluff]

You do not need to get into cover to use cover

[lament birch]

You could just hug it too

[solar sable]

anything that deals high dmg will get you killed if you dont play it right, thats for sure, but you dont really need all the tank in the world to survive
I'd rather say that what you need is just to hide behind a good spot that covers most if not all of your body and unalive everything before giving them a chance to shoot you

[torpid hollow]

yea i jsut prefer a more face tank style of play lol

[solar sable]

either HB or HF

[torpid hollow]

which is hard cause the game clearly doesnt seem to be balanced around blue builds

[subtle bluff]

because bullets hurt has they should.

[solar sable]

using blue cores, as I like to call it and will never not say it, let you upgrade from a commercial bullet sponge into a branded/high quality sponge

[torpid hollow]

my og build was hunters fury but it was a bit weak against tougher bosses

twas gear for alot of armor on kill which doesnt help vs bosses

[lament birch]

Me with my 2 Blues/4 Reds based “Close Quarters Vampire” build, I feel this but I still use this out of spite and for fun.

[sharp folio]

So uh what does the hunter's fury set do?

[lament birch]

My watch stats currently (I am bulking)

[lament birch]

Gives your Shotguns and SMGs a flat damage boost of 15%

[torpid hollow]

yea my watch being so low level probally doenst help me at all

[sharp folio]

Oh ok

[torpid hollow]

Apex Predator

Enemies within 15m receive a debuff, amplifying your weapon damage against them by +20%.

Killing a debuffed enemy with your weapon disorients other enemies within 5m, and amplifies weapon damage by 5% for 10s,
stacking up to 5 times.

the cc is really nice

[lament birch]

I haven’t gotten good Hunters rolls yet, might swap that set after I get enough mats or a better rolls for my Strikers gloves and mask.

[torpid hollow]

ive been trying strikers for a few days seeing as the season gave me a full set of it

[lament birch]

Ooohhh~~!!

That sounds amazing :DD

[torpid hollow]

but i just die to things i could normally facetank with my hunters set

[sharp folio]

I might try a hunter's fury build from spreadsheet here

[subtle bluff]

Go try that out

[lament birch]

I tend to stay far or close to whatever tank it is, depending on the type- melee boys get hit with rock salt, gunners get either ranged option—

While grenadiers get a pie to the face with my shotgun

[lament birch]

This looks like my kind of build

[torpid hollow]

still need to farm a mamento 🙁

[lament birch]

You and me both bud :((

[torpid hollow]

and ive only got a couple more days till poe2 season comes out

[lament birch]

Path of Exile 2?

[torpid hollow]

yep

[sharp folio]

I literally got 2 exotic gas masks that weren't even coyote's mask

[torpid hollow]

i got mine from one of the season build boxes

[sharp folio]

Good for you, I'm trying to get as many exotic caches and hoping that coyote's mask can be dropped from those too

[torpid hollow]

i thought the were fixed drops

[sharp folio]

I meant countdown exotic caches tho

Idk whether the drops are fixed or not

[hallow arch]

I got the Beacon exotic and I was thinking of making a dps/skill build(?), still a W.I.P obviously and I wanted to get the bittersweet rifle but I don't have it yet so I used Urban MDR with in-sync as a substitute and then I have the Mechanical Animal and Force multiplier for the backpack

[subtle bluff]

it's not good

[lament birch]

I got one Coyote mask in my stash

[subtle bluff]

Coyote gives more

[hallow arch]

ik it looks horrible but I don't have the right stuff yet + my technician tree is incomplete

Genuinely need help with the build fr

[grand girder]

and you definitely want to use that exotic and backpack yes?

[hallow arch]

Yup, force multiplier slaps

[lament birch]

I finally got the Russian Red Dot after tackling an elite patrol + a Level 4 control point at once with my Medic, “Stuart Martin”.

No more Sons on the board now :D!!!

[grand girder]

idk you could probably run like refractor or something with it? like a hybrid healer type deal or something

[honest moss]

Throw it on refactor as an extra support thing i guess? Been trying it out myself but sadly i just don't see the beacon being good. Needed a second effect like memento.

[honest moss]

Crit refactor might be best for it yeah

[grand girder]

like ima be honest it seems dogshit to me but thats the only thing I can think of being helpful

[honest moss]

Will level it then into the stash it goes. Maybe they can buff it or something. Bigger radius would help it too

[hallow arch]

Very unfortunate, the stats are pretty good honesty

[grand girder]

probably capacitor for weapon aswell, havent used in a while but pretty sure its still good for skill builds

[honest moss]

100% cap for sure. Just bis on builds like refactor ect

[hallow arch]

The only capacitor I have is at lvl 35, I could get one from the summit challenges but I can't get past the 2 hunters smh smh

[grand girder]

I can help you clear that if you need

[honest moss]

It is a nice qol piece but memento does it all with extras and doesn't eat the chest talent slot. Again it might get some buff but unlikely

[lament birch]

Guys— how’d I get Biohazardous Canisters?

Because I got Memento in the midst of my first successful Retal?

[honest moss]

Unfortunately there are quite a few cool exos that just never get used because something else is around

[lament birch]

I’m so close!!

[hallow arch]

That would be nice but I'm outside rn

Actually while we're at it I also have coyote and Catharsis

[honest moss]

Should be the retal drop from outcasts, you can also swap other retal mats to watches and then into the one you need

[lament birch]

I can just- do that??

[honest moss]

Both of those are good for the respective uses. Coyotte has some nice group buff like the beacon but without the need to be close and catharsis is one of the most used pieces for pvp. Has some niche uses for pve with pure shield builds but those are more for fun than function.

[honest moss]

Should be able to!

Coyotte can also let you scrape some extra crit damage into your build if you plan to use the mid buff for 10% chc. Lets you free up two mod slots basically

No overdogs id say go coyottes

[hallow arch]

Oooh interesting

[lament birch]

Sadly I know we can’t stack two exotics like that

But that sounds very, very good OWO

[honest moss]

Honestly there would be some fun combos if we could stack two exos lol

[lament birch]

I think I have enough chance, I need more damage to punch harder with

[lament birch]

Coyote plus Memento and the rest is Hunters or Strikers

[honest moss]

So with coyotes you would go 50% chc instead of 55-60% since with the mid buff from the mask you get 10%chc and chd. Putting you at the 60% or so and that lets you throw on more chd mods

The extra 25% for up close is nice too if you don't care about losing some chc or mind overcapping with the mid buff

[hallow arch]

Welp dps/skill build is still off the table, what about rifle builds?

[honest moss]

Long range buff is 25%chc but it isn't really a factor

[lyric barn]

hey yall sorry for barging in, i just got st elmo yesterday and ive been trying to find a good build, thoughts on this?

[lament birch]

An extra 25% chance helps keep the crits chugging along

[honest moss]

Yeah but it is at 25+ metres and remember the cap is 60% chc total

[lament birch]

Those three gear set pieces need to be a three piece pair of your main set

[honest moss]

Honestly elmos works on just about anything as it is just a super good and nice weapon. Your build has some issues but the main one i would suggest is trying to go for 4 pieces of a gear set like tipping scales or striker and drop the ninja backpack. Elmos has a huge mag anyway so it doesn't really need the extra from the pieces you got but extra damage will suit it nicely. Elmos comes with built in 15% chc and chd making it a really easy weapon to throw on crit builds since most that use HE weapons use 3 chc mods.

[subtle bluff]

First off is your library max out yet?

[lyric barn]

nope

[sharp folio]

So I was wondering whether this build would work temporarily until I get my coyote's mask

[subtle bluff]

Focus on that first while in CD while farming for Ceska and UA pieces

[lyric barn]

gotcha

[lyric barn]

ill see if i got some crit stuff on me, thanks

[subtle bluff]

Same thing mention before here. Max your library first for CHC CHD and get a striker set to be able to farm it well in CD

[lyric barn]

whats up with coyote's mask, is it really good?

[subtle bluff]

It gives a lot of Crit stats

[lyric barn]

ohhhh, i think i have that, imma try using it on my build then

[sharp folio]

I have striker build, I just deal like 200k damage tops most of the time

[honest moss]

Also in a non talent slot, makes it free

[hallow arch]

I've been using the classic M1A and Urban MDR recently and they're pretty good

(Not at the same time)

[honest moss]

Honestly a lotta blue but like chow said i would focus on the library first. If you get and good chc or chd minor rolls on HB i would keep them though.

[sharp folio]

Yikes...

[honest moss]

Forgot to reply to this but there are some rifle builds. Personally not too aware of them but i run ongoing directive with rifles. OD is another pretty nice dps set with some group buffing ability.

[sharp folio]

Same with chc on striker build, so low

[subtle bluff]

hence farm your library so you can bring all of those up easier

[hallow arch]

I can use OD with rifles??? What about ND?

[sharp folio]

I have a few chc in my library, I just forgot to use them

[honest moss]

You will get there so don't worry. But try to aim for as close to 60% chance as possible on crit builds and then dump everything else into crit damage

[hexed steppe]

nd is solid for rifles. usually better witth ar and lmg tho

[honest moss]

ND i would say sure but rifles benefit a lot from just hitting hard. ND is great with say bluescreen but i don't run rifle on it

[hallow arch]

So OD rifle build then, I can do that

[desert wharf]

is this gearset bug or something bc sometimes i get stacks and 90% i dont haha

[sharp folio]

I added a few critical chances to my striker gear and now I have 32%

[honest moss]

Really it is just an OD build you can put rifles on. Lmgs, ars all work great on OD

[honest moss]

Nice!

[sharp folio]

I still don't know why only mask and body armor has gear mod for me

[honest moss]

I think it is a little akward to run solo, might just be too slow for stacking? Have heard it works better in groups.

[honest moss]

What do you mean?

[desert wharf]

yea ik but why dont i get stacks though??? when i be killing them or my team kills the mark enemies

[sharp folio]

I can only place gear mods to gas mask and body armor, anything else isn't possible

[honest moss]

Oh so only mask, chest and bag have slots normally. However there is an unbranded "set" called improvised gear you can craft that has a slot regardless of what item it is

[honest moss]

Honestly couldn't tell you. Might just be buggy with it being new. I tried it once and it felt too slow for solo play so i dropped it for now.

[sharp folio]

Ah I see, but do you know how could I get more chc without library? It seems I already have a lot of chc from library

[hexed steppe]

swap a piece to another gear or brand set to break the 4pc then swap it back in. ive seen the stacking bug and that fixes it

[honest moss]

Oh the old umbra bug.

[sharp folio]

The max chc as of right now is 36% for me

[hexed steppe]

yeah, same thing. its rare tho after the last maintenance that fixed the deltas

[grand girder]

also you can make high end rifle builds that require no ramping as seen here #td2-build-advice message

but its more difficult to farm for

[hallow arch]

I mean it's still farming, it's always difficult

[honest moss]

So eventually you will get your watch CHC maxed out for 10%, mods on weapons will let you get up to 15% or 17% with demolishionist grip. Some gear sets offer it as a one or two piece bonus. Something like a ceska brand piece will give you 8% CHC. It is mainly down to stacking it heavily. Usually people will do weapons mods + gear rolls then use gear mods to round it out or add more chd.

At lower watch levels you will just kinda have to eat a little loss on either chance or damage will it plays catch up but it is an easy fix once you get there

[hallow arch]

Oooh maybe I can do that too but I wanna see the OD rifle build lol

If u don't mind

[grand girder]

I dont have one built atm sorry g

[honest moss]

It should be the one in the spreadsheet. The version i use has tinkerer but you can run coyotes instead of overdogs. The main change is adjusting the CHC for the rifle you intend to use.

[hallow arch]

Hmmm noted noted

[hallow arch]

I assume I have to use Sharpshooter specialization too?

[honest moss]

Survialist or gunner is best. Survivalist lets you get a little extra dps and works with the group aspect

[subtle bluff]

lmk if you need me to post any of my showcase vidoe iz

[honest moss]

Sharpshooter would be fine too but gunner has 10% aok and survivalist has 10% damage to status effected enemies

[honest moss]

Chow here has great gameplay of it and i think it might be his build i copied. But the build works so well. Highly recommend giving it a try

[hallow arch]

Ahhh fair enough

[subtle bluff]

I need to start throwing the showcases in the guides I forget

[honest moss]

I think it will help people trying to pick up a build for the first time, to see how it runs and what not for sure. Thanks for all the work mrchow!

[thick meteor]

What is the best beginner build for div2? I want to output alot of damage while getting armor

[subtle bluff]

Best is subjective in div2. What SHD are you?

[thick meteor]

I'm level 35.... So uhhhh

[subtle bluff]

Go to the Pinned Messages > Gearsheet > Build Hub > Find Starting Lvl 40 Farm Guide

[thick meteor]

Uhh, alright, got it

[subtle bluff]

while you're there a bunch of builds but first get your library CHC and Core maxed out.

[sharp folio]

What build uses this backpack guys? I just dropped it

Hunter's fury build hm...

[lament birch]

YOU LUCKY SON OF A GUN

[strong cave]

Pretty much any DPS/Armor build. Definition wise, DPS + Armor don't belong in the same sentence, but that backpack really does allow for some unique builds. My favorite build to run it on is armor strikers and armor hunters fury. With strikers, all 4 of the gearset pieces will be armor, and your chest will be Ceska oblit. Hunters Fury, 3 out of the 4 pieces will be Armor. The chest talent will be Sokolov or Ceska with Intimidate

[sharp folio]

Thank you for the kind words sire

[strong cave]

Would it piss you off more if my loved one on her first day of playing had that backpack drop on her 3rd exotic cache? 😂

[lament birch]

Not a problemo, Gunny.

Go have fun with her, she’s your Memento Amorous now.

[sharp folio]

Do you think I would replace coyote's mask for memento?

[strong cave]

Yeah you can easily replace it. Just note memento is really powerful for solo players

It's not so good in groups if you aren't getting the kills

[lament birch]

Every single cache I’ve opened up now has given me subpar exotic— I’m still hopeful though

Congrats to your buddy, I hope she has a great time :,DD

[sharp folio]

I will be doing legendary daily projects so yeah

[strong cave]

Memento should be okay for legendary solo. I frequently use it when I'm playing legendary summit for the challenge

[subtle bluff]

anything

[strong cave]

So far trying to put together a healer build for her. Nothing seems to want to drop with max repair skills... Yet we have all the future initiative pieces 😂 we are working on getting her BTSU gloves instead and put the repair skills quest on the back burner

[lament birch]

Dare I open them now-? I haven’t slept yet…

[lament birch]

I got decent to good support rolled gear and a pair of BT gloves back in my stash me thinks- gotta double check

[strong cave]

I'm betting you might get one

[lament birch]

I’m crossing my fingers— but I gotta choice between two options first

[strong cave]

Neither, turn the modifiers off. The 60% damage reduction is annoying

And the assault turrets melting you in 2 bullets is also annoying

[lament birch]

The fact Spears can run through foam and tar and deal more damage at low health is awesome buuuut being immune to DOT and getting the ability to pop baddies below their armor bars is nasty too

[strong cave]

Plus the companions voices are annoying

[buoyant perch]

I really like the execution one

[lament birch]

Engineers and medics are my top opps to gun for where and when possible btw

[lament birch]

I like that they keep me company and watch my sixes, even if it’s a group of them that I can’t command

[strong cave]

"I don't care about your chain, bro, I'm out here snatching souls" 🗣️🔥

-Flying dutchman AI, 2025

[strong cave]

My flank angles are always clear because I keep my radar in a spot I can always see in my peripheral vision

[lament birch]

I rarely feel that 60 hitting me so hard, cuz I usually build up enough stacks to negate it— on challenging- alone-

My first heroic attempt kicked me to start + I couldn’t make it up the bombed out yard of the Capital before I got tagged a sniper and artillery man, and got blasted by a cheeky rusher

[strong cave]

Wait till you hit legendary with the modifiers-

[sharp folio]

I don't know why but somehow I crit 50% of the time I shoot with my m4

[lament birch]

I can H E A R him still

[sharp folio]

Even with 30% chc

[lament birch]

You gotta check your stats page to be safe

[sullen night]

I don't mind the commander enemies, but something is weird with turret proxies for me with the season active, they feel like they get 150% instead of 15% buff from the commanders, total laser miniguns 😬

[sharp folio]

It's on 30% and it gives me more crits

[strong cave]

My god please raise that up 💀 could just be lucky RNG

[sharp folio]

I'm trying to do that bruh

[strong cave]

What's your build? Might be able to help point you in a good direction

[lament birch]

Engineers have my respect and fear at of lately during my first heroic bounty against the sons as of— this past Friday.

Spears helped plenty there with dealing and eating damage.

[sharp folio]

Here

[lament birch]

My crit chance is between 36% to 41%

My crit damage is between 63% and 73%

[lament birch]

Here’s mine to compare

[strong cave]

Yup the shd level explains everything. Personally, if you can handle it, run a Grupo piece instead of memento. You'll gain back more CHC, boosting your CHD as well

I'd personally slot the striker backpack onto the build for more damage and take a Grupo piece in any of these slots:

Mask, holster, gloves, kneepads

[sharp folio]

I don't have any Grupo piece I think

[strong cave]

Additionally, try to find more CHC mods. Those will carry you. ALSO with the watch, focus the CHC box first

[sharp folio]

Nevermind I have grup kneepads

[lament birch]

Hmm…I should keep Spears as is rn, with Hardy and Daredevil- wait until another time to get both DD and Execute?

[strong cave]

My loved one is doing the same steps I'm mentioning and at shd 48, she's already got 50% CHC and 110% CHD

Also with your Ceska chest piece, definitely make sure your talent is "Obliterate"

[sharp folio]

Em sire, my grupo kneepads only have chd

[strong cave]

She's using Elmo over Police M4 tho but her CHC will be the same. The CHD won't be

[strong cave]

Roll CHC onto where repair skills

If you have that in your library

You can tinker/reconfigure your pieces to roll what you want

[lament birch]

Don’t worry if the crit chance is low, you can get to maximum with enough time to reconfigure that spot for a better boon

[sharp folio]

Is this good enough?

[lament birch]

WOAH WOAH WOAH—!!???

[sharp folio]

I had crit chance on 5% on kneepads lol

[strong cave]

42% is decent for the time being, yes. As you level up, you'll get more CHC. Make sure you focus the CHC box in your watch first

[sharp folio]

Good point, thanks

[lament birch]

The chance cap is always 60% so having that with a nearby 95% damage boost looks good to me

[vivid shard]

after that focus on CHD

[strong cave]

This, bigtime. With the watch, focus this in order:

CHC > CHD > Weap DMG > HSD

[sharp folio]

But I do wonder if this is enough for legendary or should I just focus on farming more CHC and CHD

[vivid shard]

why do you have sympathetic recovery?

[strong cave]

Get a better chest piece. The same brand is perfect, you just need one with crits + obliterate talent

[vivid shard]

yeah or use glass cannon if you're feeling lucky

[lament birch]

You should spec into Gunner if you want to get Armor on kills

[strong cave]

Also, you have an empty mod slot on your mask, throw on a CHC mod

[sharp folio]

Do I?

[strong cave]

They're likely still farming Ceska Oblit

[vivid shard]

yeah I see it right there

[subtle bluff]

Better chest Talent and overdogs or coyote. You shouldn't think about leggo yet

[sharp folio]

Oh you mean empathetic recovery?

[strong cave]

Yeah your chest talent is empathic resolve. You'll want obliterate on your chest for more damage

[vivid shard]

oops I misspelled it

[sharp folio]

I have it already lol

[vivid shard]

just slot it in dude

[strong cave]

Yeah extract it and put it on your chest if the chest rolls are okay

[sharp folio]

I can't I need a new one

[vivid shard]

also legendaries are pretty hard, are you sure about going into it?

[strong cave]

And like chow said too, if you can manage to get Overdogs gloves, those beat Grupo by a long shot

[vivid shard]

yeah Overdogs is good, but you need to farm exotic caches or retals for it now

[sullen night]

Where do Overdogs come from? General loot pool or some legacy manhunt?

[vivid shard]

or countdown(that's best)

[strong cave]

Back to farming Ceska you go then 👋 if you can manage to find a ceska piece with Obliterate talent with at least 1 crit attribute, roll it for both crits

[vivid shard]

general loot pool

[sharp folio]

Yeah I will do that lol

[vivid shard]

is farming retaliations for exotics worse than countdown?

[sharp folio]

Luckily the cd isn't hard

[strong cave]

I'm praying to RNGesus for you 🙏

[vivid shard]

is countdown STILL better after adding that whole system?

[strong cave]

For newer players, yes because they'll need to know how to target farm blueprints and their builds are likely shit along with their faction understandings and how they operate. Better to have 7 others than just 1 of you. Not to be offensive to newer players, but I've seen it first hand with my loved one

Countdown is a major crutch for them and probably the best help since they'll have 7 others with them

[vivid shard]

but theoretically, retaliations are still best if you have a good build?

[strong cave]

IF you have a good build and a good understanding of how the factions are, correct

[sharp folio]

Tbh if I get a ceska bodyarmor with just crit damage then it's fine still

[vivid shard]

you can farm for body armor for the obliterate or glass cannon

[sharp folio]

I already have obliterate on body armor tho

[strong cave]

Yes, just needs to have Obliterate talent. You can slot a misroll off and roll on a Crit attribute. So if you get one say, CHC + Repair Skills + Obliterate, roll off repair skills for CHD. Piece is done

[vivid shard]

like, people have done the math? it's the more efficient method?

[sharp folio]

Wait how do I roll off a not needed skill?

[vivid shard]

use the tinkering station.

[strong cave]

It's less about the math and moreso about the understanding of how retaliation works

[strong cave]

Not needed skill? A bit confused

[vivid shard]

I think they're refering to the attributes, not skills

[strong cave]

Retaliation is a very good farm, countdown for newer players would be more efficient

[sharp folio]

Attributes I mean

[vivid shard]

use the tinkering station in your inventory

[strong cave]

Yup tinkering station

[sharp folio]

I wonder if I can roll off a attribute and a talent in one armor

[strong cave]

You cant, sadly. That would make farming too easy

[vivid shard]

okay so the theoretically most efficient way to farm for gear is retaliations, but the most practical is countdown, correct?

[strong cave]

Bc if so I would've rolled all my sys Corr pieces exactly how I want

[vivid shard]

omg I hate that you cant just recalibrate everything

[strong cave]

Most efficient would still be countdown. As for exotic farming, retaliation would be the way to go. But the work to get the blueprints is a chore that you're better off spending every 15m running countdown

[vivid shard]

still, the amount of loot you get outweighs that

[strong cave]

Retaliation has been out for nearly 4 months now and just the other day I finally got the last blueprint from it

And I'm sitting at 18k SHD with nearly 2k+ hours

[vivid shard]

Countdown just feels too easy for me to actually have fun tbh

[strong cave]

You get a good amount, that I do agree. The issue would be in this case, newbies having sub-optimal builds even with striker. And the enemy density and "how to do retaliation" might not be straightforward

Can argue the same for countdown but with countdown there's 7 others. Most follow the group. Retaliation, you're likely solo

I've failed retaliation plenty of times even with a damn good build. I always went back to CD when farming for specific pieces. Exotics I just stuck to retaliation bc you can craft those now

[vivid shard]

I have tried retaliations and they're a lot harder than I thought they would be

Usually, I just don't play them and let the faction take the NZ

[strong cave]

Sometimes you get swarmed or sandwiched or the game decides to spawn a kill squad directly behind you when you're just starting to fight a CP

[vivid shard]

is heartbreaker good for solo retals?

[strong cave]

Newbies are less likely to have an easy time on Retal VS Countdown. Once they get comfortable, then I'd recommend Retaliation

[strong cave]

Personally, heartbreaker is just a worse strikers. I run striker with 2 blues when I run retaliation just for the extra survivability. I've done it all red but I find more comfort with 2 blues. If you need serious help, you can run it with 4 striker pieces rolled with blue cores and memento backpack

I wouldn't recommend HB for retaliation due to how much ammo you burn thru

[vivid shard]

oh right I did try that and ammo was a big problem

[strong cave]

Yup, not having gunner is a huge disadvantage

You can run HB without technician. Just need to make sure you're hitting the head first and then dumping the mag to the body

God forbid Black tusks are around. And you're EMP'd. No pulse skill either so good luck pulsing things without heads

[vivid shard]

Yeah but sometimes the head is behind cover or my hands mysteriously forget how to hit a headshot

[vivid shard]

is black tusk still there when I start a retal on an invaded zone? please tell me they're not.

[strong cave]

I personally run my setup with 4 PC HB, Ceska, Memento backpack and Eagle Bearer is the main gun. I use banshee pulse. When fighting Black tusks, I use tech for the LLP

[strong cave]

Near Tidal basin, no, not from what I've seen

[vivid shard]

okay good

I still don't have a Striker build even after 1.3k shd levels later.

[strong cave]

Rip 💀

[sharp folio]

Man I got weapon handling instead of CDC/CDH 😔

[vivid shard]

because I think it's unbelievably boring compared to other sets

[sharp folio]

And headshot damage, awesome

[vivid shard]

we've all been there. Do you only need to change one attribute or do you need to change two?

[sharp folio]

2

[vivid shard]

yeah just... deconstruct it man it aint worth it

[strong cave]

I can agree. I've been on my Vanguard + Galvanize side quest. Tanks do basically nothing, but hey the 90 something percent bonus armor shared is just too fun especially when you have 2m armor 😂

[vivid shard]

one more run of countdown, here we go!!!

[sharp folio]

Unless headshot damage is useful for ceska body armor

[strong cave]

It's not

[vivid shard]

nah it aint

[sharp folio]

The other ceska body armor is just hazard protection and weapon handling lol

[vivid shard]

tanks can give a bunch of extra armor to allies, and that's... something right?

I wish they buffed a bunch of the weaker gear sets like True Patriot and Aegis, they're always nearly useless.

just like. give them extra threat or smth to make enemies focus them

[strong cave]

It does. I've got mine setup as 3 Gila (1 of those is pointman), 1 Belstone, 1 Uzina bag w/ galvanize, catharsis mask. Scorpio main gun. Shield and banshee pulse for skills. It's so fun. It's setup for full crits with 63k armor Regen

[vivid shard]

but is it better than a FI healer? does it have a specific situation where it's better?

oh I thought you were talking about tank as a supportive build-

[stone python]

Saw this build on Reddit, what do you think?

[gentle lichen]

Meh
Why not salvo anyway

[strong cave]

Absolutely not. But boy is it fun in good groups

Keyword being "good" here

[subtle bluff]

It’s better than NBB versions.

[strong cave]

Yeah, no, having to force mag size onto huntsman is just stupid. You're taking a shit gun and trying to polish it to work with this build. They're not even using salvo, why?... It will increase Burst damage with a net reduction of 12% CHD if you roll the holster as CHC. Which, since it's high end, you really don't need that much CHD or CHC stacking and you'd be better off pouring into other damage sources like Overdogs. Or fox's prayer. Not going for 100% mag size (50 from Brazos and 50 from UA). Chow is right, it's better than some ninjabike builds I've seen going for mag size, but this is definitely clickbait

I'd expect this level of build theory from somebody seemingly on console

Better off sticking to an actual LMG with frenzy and running tinkerer + striker or OD

[subtle bluff]

I’d be curious on the numbers but I HATE mathing frenzy.
I’d put the build on for fun and see what fun number would happen when it all on LMG’s

[lament birch]

I love Frenzy, making numbers with it via math makes my head hurt