td2-build-advice

[hexed steppe]

ide gift some nitro, but it wont do any good 😂

-# jokes

[solar sable]

stop bullying us, deck 😭

[hexed steppe]

oh hush now. when you gonna carry me through some content 👴

[onyx sage]

when you fix this damn door

[strong cave]

Give knocking a try, or ring the doorbell. Or speak directly into the Ring doorbell, the homeowner might hear the Pizza's arrived

FBI OPEN UP

[candid depot]

which is better, image 1 or 2

[subtle bluff]

Also not using foxes is better getting ceska pcs instead is much better.

[cerulean smelt]

depends on what you'll be using it for honestly
every day things? 1, raid/incursion 2

[digital vapor]

Any thoughts? Anything I should change im guessing armour?

[hazy steeple]

Gearsets only give you a benefit if you use 4 pieces of them at a time, any more is wasted.

[cerulean smelt]

well, they're fresh 40 so they probably put on whatever was level 40 gear atm

if you click the thumb pin icon you get this windown and you see the spreadsheet link. click that to see a list of known good builds

[digital vapor]

Alright

[cerulean smelt]

just to melt your brain a bit with the sheer information in them

[digital vapor]

Brain already hurts lol

[cerulean smelt]

trust me we've all been there. open the sheet and get overwhelmed but once you figure out how to navigate it you'll realize one day how simple it really is

[covert granite]

where to get this file thanks in advance

[cerulean smelt]

#td2-build-advice message
posted the picture where the link comes from here

[covert granite]

thanks

[subtle bluff]

Just start with the Level 40 Farm Guide

[cerulean smelt]

like i didn't notice the Docs link on the far right. i always tried to open up the builds via the names "Standard Red DPS" name and was like uh it's broken guys, then i see the underlined Docs was like oh duh.....hides in shame

[digital vapor]

Lol

[junior parrot]

What gear set works well with backfire?

[subtle bluff]

Strikers and HF.
It's more of playstyle you need to know how to make BF work the best.

IMO normal weapons with killer will do DPS quicker than Backfire.

[verbal gust]

The new gear set ima farm for after I get those brand pieces. HE builds will probably be better but.

[scenic whale]

Isn’t only like 2 full mags to cap out backfires stacks or is it weirder than that

[subtle bluff]

I mean are you saying you have 100% accuracy with SMG that has crap weapon handling.

[scenic whale]

It’s not too bad with some close range set up isn’t it, + at worst it’s 3 mags to ramp which you’d pair with strikers anyways. Sounds more like an SMG playstyle type beat than it is BF

It’s definitely not gonna beat clearing a room normally with a good AR or LMG but it had some nice moments for me in extended master/raid rooms

[subtle bluff]

I've used BF more than other but only place where it's meta otherwise there's better things that keep up better.

[scenic whale]

Wouldn’t doubt it, only place I’ve seen super good results out of it was Paradise Lost and Dark Hours and even then I’m sure there’s something else better. I can see it being problematic in maps since you walk 2 sections and the buff dies. Tho without legendary I guess any gun can do the job so that’s not a very good argument for BF

[subtle bluff]

Basically it's the same thought has when you can use Striker Chest.

People that loved this season with modifiers are gonna cry next season.

[astral kraken]

👏👏👏 I'm 👏👏👏 ready 👏👏👏 for 👏👏👏 all 👏👏👏 the 👏👏👏 rage 👏👏👏 quits

[astral kraken]

Were people using modifiers in incurson too?

(i haven't ran it in over a year)

[subtle bluff]

me too

[subtle bluff]

You can semi bug it in.

[worn imp]

Yooo is creeping death on red builds now a thing now that we have the immobilize talent?

[buoyant perch]

No

[reef ember]

Whats a good beginner build for a fresh 40, is it just use what ever you bundle up, I do have the shotgun that got given to Veterans so I was thinking of using that as my 2nd slot weapon.

[frozen hull]

So I been rocking a strikers build for sometime and I like it … but curious would my damage go up more if I went with the “standard red” build in the google doc?

[subtle bluff]

Go to Pinned Messages > Gearsheet > Build Hub
In there a guide that for "Lvl 40 farm guide" start with that

[frozen hull]

Yeah that’s what I’m looking at, I’m just curious if it would pump out more damage than the strikers build you see there .. I currently use ther strikers build … but been wondering if I should build ther “standard red” dps build

[frozen hull]

I like the strikers build but I do feel like things are dying too fast in open world for me to really be taking advantage of the strikers set bonus

I’ll watch that video

[subtle bluff]

you on heroic?

[buoyant perch]

Wait I misread the message

[frozen hull]

Mostly yes … and sorry lemme restate it… I just notice a lot of the time my strikers bar that indicates if I’m maxed or not seldom is maxed. I do use the lefty shotty as well to build the stacks.

Just wondering if standard red build is really a better choice or not.

[frozen hull]

It’s all good I’m tired too and probably not making much sense

[subtle bluff]

Go look at the OD Tinkerer build

You'll enjoy that.

[frozen hull]

Is the tinkerer helm something I can get in summit or countdown ?

[astral kraken]

Are you using a striker chest?

[frozen hull]

Nope I use the Cseka however you spell it with obliterate

[astral kraken]

And what kind of content are you doing?

Like is it control points, missions, etc

[frozen hull]

Right now mostly solo stuff and countdowns

[buoyant perch]

Manager climax mission only (protomac alternate mission)

[astral kraken]

So the main issue will be your positioning and aggression. It's really easy to keep up your striker stacks but you need to position in a way where you're shooting stuff all of the time.

One thing you can try is running a memento backpack and a shield. That will allow you to trade shots with enemies so you can keep firing.

The reason high end feels better is because there's no stack building involved. And honestly for solo open world content it's a pretty good choice.

There are way fewer enemies and their HP is low.

So you just get your max damage immediately basically.

[frozen hull]

Yeah I use a shield now and it gets shredded pretty quickly may be I’ll pop on my memento and see how that works

[astral kraken]

For solo you can even add a blue core to one of your striker pieces. It'll make the shield even stronger which = more DPS uptime for you.

[delicate ether]

link?

[frozen hull]

I’ll try that I ran them all blue core before cause I took the advice of a YouTuber and .. it was not the beet advice heh but the shield was Defintiely stronger

Best*

[astral kraken]

@frozen hull Think of it like this... the shield being stronger is taking damage away from you. But it's also allowing you to shoot things for longer (which = more damage output over time). So the question you need to answer is: does the uptime compensate for the damage loss? That you can only answer by testing because everyone has different awareness and aiming ability.

All blue is almost always bad though.

For 99% of content in the game. That was just YT clickbait.

[frozen hull]

It was definitely YouTube click bait ahha I got suckered into luckily I found the build guide here soon after … but I’ll definitely try your suggestions

[astral kraken]

Here's an example where positioning can give you really good uptime. This is a really popular spot for that reason.

So you don't neeeed a shield but that encounter is cleared faster with a shield.

[frozen hull]

I prefer the shield so I’m all for taking it ..

[agile citrus]

the best ragequits of all time imo were the 185% striker reddit tears

[agile citrus]

out of curiosity, does glass cannon with your skill work on hyenas? I find their surrounding tactics to be the biggest reason I tend not use it. Was thinknig about it when the soldier snuck up

[astral kraken]

yea its not a problem b/c the enemies are fewer in number and less dangerous

they always sneak up from that position so i usually put a turret there. i was trying it out w/o a turret to save a little time.

the problem with the above room is if you let off the gas for a couple seconds it starts to snowball

so i just let him sneak up and play the health gate

[agile citrus]

as much shit as I give GC, it is nice to have no stacks, I just refuse to try hard enough at div to make it work lol

games hard

[worn imp]

What kinda new exciting build oppertunities do we got with the new Unit Alloys set and the new exotic chest? Anyone done some theorycrafting it yet?

[strong cave]

Nothing that would slot in well on your typical striker build. Pretty sure taking the new unit alloy pieces will overall lower your crit chance and crit damage by a good amount, since taking Salvo + Equalizer means you're trading Ceska + ODogs. That's 8% CHC and 30% Amp Damage. As for the new chest, I don't see it being used on your standard support build. It might work for a striker setup for ally proximity, will definitely do more work than Coyote. But you're trading a whole ass chest talent for team help

Even if you humored taking Equalizer + Ceska or say Ceska + Salvo, you're still trading up 30% amp from ODogs. Which is way better value than shooting 10% faster. Run measured for that and dump expertise to make Measured better

[worn imp]

That chest talent trade can be suuuuper worth it if 3 other peeps.are benefiting

[worn imp]

Isnt salvo a aholster?

[strong cave]

At the cost of overall DPS both chest talent and ODogs

[worn imp]

True tbf

[strong cave]

Yes and Ceska is damn near a requirement on striker

Since the meta sits at ARs and LMGs on striker

[worn imp]

I mean for raids it would be good tho

[subtle bluff]

Not that it’s a requirement. It’s just very optimal.

[agile citrus]

my build will change 1 way. hf holster will magicall manifest into a chest, and hh/mad bomber ceska will mancialy manifest into a salve holster

[worn imp]

I mean for raids it would be good tho. More ROF to hit those 200 striker stacks faster

[strong cave]

The new chest? I mean, maybe, but I'd rather have 7 DPS guys and 1 healer VS 6 DPS guys, 1 "DPS" guy trading his DPS talent for team help, and 1 healer

[grand girder]

RnR with ROF on it works just fine lol

[strong cave]

That's not DPS anymore if you're trading it for other things BESIDES dps

[agile citrus]

I need to figure out my secondary... might make it cooler

[astral kraken]

iKia did an analysis here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQwdS_qzc2g

Although I'm not sure what's changed from PTS since then.

[subtle bluff]

Don’t need that much DPS though in raids remember they did these raids without strikers beforehand

[astral kraken]

Basically the gist was that unit with perfect obliterate replaces ceska with obliterate. And glass still wins regardless.

[strong cave]

Outside of DH force fields + razorback and IH train, there's not much stacking to do

[worn imp]

What are the bonuses for set pieces of unit alloys again?

[strong cave]

But is Ceska still used? Like as a 2nd piece

[worn imp]

AR dmg something?

[agile citrus]

most of the game does abolsutely fine with low stack. which is why striekr chest is rarely perfered

[cerulean smelt]

rate of fire, ar damage and magazine size

[strong cave]

5% ROF
20% AR DMG
50% mag size

[astral kraken]

Nope. You lose some CHD but the TWD+ROF gain makes up for it.

[grand girder]

ahh so a better brazo's

[worn imp]

Spicyyyy 50% mag size

[subtle bluff]

The P. Obli kind push it over. That 4 TWD% makes up

[strong cave]

It'll replace Picaro's in pvp for sure

[worn imp]

And that 20% ar dmg looks crazy too

[agile citrus]

the game has a huge over burst issue, which most people ignore, inc being run in 5 minutes is an amazing summary of that

[subtle bluff]

Eh

[astral kraken]

Not that crazy since it's adding to an already big pool

[worn imp]

Yeah right "not amp" but still man

[strong cave]

So 2 piece unit alloy is actually better than say Ceska oblit + Fenris both due to increasing burst DPS and overall AR and TWD?

[subtle bluff]

That 30 LMG out of TS isn’t that crazy

[worn imp]

Hmmmm yeah...

[subtle bluff]

It’s not just AMP.

[astral kraken]

I think you'd run the chest, overdogs, and 4pc striker

[subtle bluff]

P. Obli is BiS for TS build

[worn imp]

Is there any other setup anyone has found for Unit alloys? Any heartbreaker synergy?

[subtle bluff]

Bud.. It’s not even out yet.

[grand girder]

mary jane?

[subtle bluff]

PTS we didn’t test that near as much as the modifiers

[strong cave]

Ah okay makes sense. See, I thought dropping Ceska would result in at least lower crit loss but better top end DPS

[astral kraken]

@strong cave Also if you use killer it benefits unit alloy more. But these are all marginally close comparisoins btw.

[worn imp]

........ some theorycrafters are already doing the math, hence why i wanted to investigate

[strong cave]

Because dropping Ceska means you now have to take 3 CHC mods

[subtle bluff]

Yea it’s changed since PTS.

[strong cave]

Which lowers CHD by what, nearly 12-24%?

[astral kraken]

Yea but the CHD pool is already very high. So you're sacrificing some CHD from a big pool to put into a smaller ROF/TWD pool.

[strong cave]

I fully get it now, that's pretty damn awesome

[worn imp]

Have they stated the changes yet anywhere?

[subtle bluff]

If you know the builds out there you know where they can slot in or not.

[strong cave]

#patch-notes few days ago

[subtle bluff]

Yes.. #patch-notes

[strong cave]

So now the new meta is basically Equalizer + ODogs and say Lexington measured?

[subtle bluff]

Ya it’s that’s our normal thought but ya like purple said that 4% TWD really beats over.

[worn imp]

Measured huh... why not optimist?

[subtle bluff]

Ceska CG and PCG still wins.

[astral kraken]

yea

[subtle bluff]

Optimist give garbage DPS.

[astral kraken]

i think the only thing they nerfed in patches was the holster from 8->5%

[strong cave]

Optimist is probably the worst to throw on a gun due to how little you get. If I'm not mistaken, isn't it additive WD? Literally strained gives better burst

[subtle bluff]

It’s only good at the near at end of the mag. Where Measure upfront is actually more DPS.

[strong cave]

Measured gives even more burst than both optimist and strained. However, expertise makes BOTH parts of measured better

[astral kraken]

i fully expect some YT videos with unit alloy and ninja bag and how it's the new meta

[strong cave]

Have you seen the comments on tux video? 💀

[astral kraken]

so we'll have a few weeks of disupting that lol

[worn imp]

idk why a dude I know that regularly hosts raids recommendes it lol. I guess people can either thru placebo or otherwise convince themselves certain things are meta even when its not

[grand girder]

ignorance

[subtle bluff]

DAMNIT I was trying to do 100 = 💀

[cerulean smelt]

you're forgetting the backfire striker build with 20% Haz Pro will be in full swing

[astral kraken]

they just don't test or do the math. they go based on vibes.

[strong cave]

I got you 💯

[worn imp]

I mean sure. There are worse sins like advocating ninjabike builds lmfao

[subtle bluff]

AHHH

[grand girder]

oh of course I was just answering your question

[strong cave]

If I play a raid where some goofus recommends Optimist over St Elmo's, I'm leaving the raid

[worn imp]

Agreed lmao

[strong cave]

Bad enough I spent 2 days farming countdown with morons who run straight to VIP just to cry I'm kicking people

Listen to the leader maybe? 🤦

[grand girder]

but you cannot know more optimal pathing than them of course

[worn imp]

Thats why i post a copypaste telling cd peeps we are not doing VIP obj no matter what

[grand girder]

you are clearly inferior and must be ignored

[astral kraken]

@worn imp This is the kind of dispute we have like every month with people:
https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/1ouw5rv/comment/nol4j7y/

At the end he finally caved and said "You are both right....for now." - but this is how much effort it takes.

[strong cave]

Raucey taught me optimal pathing. I cried and left then came back 3 months later. Here I am now being the "elitist" I swore against

[grand girder]

tbh its literally just avoiding as much backtracking as possible, everytime I host I put in chat the order

its common sense that isnt so common

[strong cave]

That "but it's fun bro" died the moment Raucey tore me a new one and I realized it 1/4 year later

[subtle bluff]

I have to search for this later

[astral kraken]

when raucey corrects you, you listen

[strong cave]

The math behind this game matters bigtime. As well as best optimal pathing for objectives

[strong cave]

Same with iKia but we can't speak for everyone here

[worn imp]

What, for max amount of loot per run or just for time efficiency?

[grand girder]

When you're grinding for gear, time matters, being unoptimal is just dumb

[strong cave]

Efficiency. The loot is RNG based. RNG already works against us. I don't need clueless doofuses ruining the experience even more

It took me nearly 28h farming just to get pointman. 2 WHOLE DAYS.

[astral kraken]

It's about minimizing risk in hard content. Obviously when the content is easy it doesn't matter what anyone uses.

The issue is when you're matchmaking legendary, something goes wrong, and suddenly all the crap builds can't handle it and a team wipe happens. Or there's one poor shmuck who's running a good build and sweating hard to carry a group of "just having fun" guys.

[strong cave]

12h 1 day, 12h the next

[subtle bluff]

I wish I had it clip for when I was with Raucey and trying out my Six12 w/brazen on Lovebirds trick and I hit 20mill per bullet and DELETED both of them. How much shock we were all in.

Pretty sure I hit the brazen bug back then.

[strong cave]

You'd know a thing or two about that after the build I showed up with. BTWW I dumped expertise into all of it. 60k+ Regen now and my Scorpio is 27% better 😂

[strong cave]

I think I saw that 👀

[subtle bluff]

The highest I’ve ever clipped was 16mill

[astral kraken]

Well we had enough DPS in that mission so pretty much any support you run can make things smoother honestly.

The issue is when we don't have enough DPS and things get super annoying.

[strong cave]

Found that out yesterday when 2 guys were running hunters fury and 1 was running 4 blue tipping. I TRIED to DPS and still failed

[worn imp]

For Countdown optimal runs: I respect the grind but personally I dont take it that surgically. (Not saying that you shouldnt, that depends on how much efficiency matters to you) If the loot I get isnt like 50% more im not going to bother. And if it turns out the loot difference isnt all that big, then please dont flame me for not minmaxing this. To me the effort to minmax does not justify having to devote extra attention to otherwise chill loot grinding. I can defo understand it for legendaries as they are faaaar easier if the team's builds and their pathing is on point

[astral kraken]

bro anyone who flames you for your build in countdown is cheeks

just ignore them

[strong cave]

I am what I get, just saying 💯

[worn imp]

Not on about build for CD
Talking about pathing mainly

[grand girder]

tbh for me I just learn it off rip so it comes natural

[subtle bluff]

20m x 8 pellets x 8 = 1,280,000,000 That more or less tracks for the almost killing both

[astral kraken]

ngl when I do countdown I spend more time running around collecting loot than shooting 💀

and alt tabbing to respond to dms lol

[worn imp]

Hahahaha i have met my doppelganger i see

[strong cave]

I would do that but the average build I see in CD rn is 6 piece rigger or some weird rainbow build

[cerulean smelt]

same here. run to x, then y, then z, back to x

[worn imp]

Get 2nd monitor lol

[subtle bluff]

I mean for looting wise I normally I grab 3 friends and just do challenging CD hold the timer to spawn everything and boom a ton more targeted loot.

[astral kraken]

i'm on a 65 inch. there wouldn't be any room 🤣

[strong cave]

I once had 4 healers show up. I had to literally type in chat to not have 4 healers

[cerulean smelt]

well, even 2nd monitor you stil have to alt tab

[grand girder]

on pc?

[subtle bluff]

How I got my Lengmo set in like 3 runs

[strong cave]

Now we can craft it 😂

[subtle bluff]

SHUT IT

[strong cave]

BAHAHAHA 😂

[grand girder]

damn thats a dope setup, I'd hurt my neck with that screen tho

[strong cave]

Dayum!

[grand girder]

Do you play star citizen or warthunder with those joysticks?

[astral kraken]

i used to play a lot of sc yea

[strong cave]

Bro will be able to analyze every pixel of the true sons using a sniper scope with that screen

Could probably draw the entire map of DC into it

[astral kraken]

it hurts awareness sometimes but the immersion is really nice

[random pendant]

good to see you got it in the end!! 🙂

[worn imp]

On an entirely different note. The build variety for legendary viable red builds in this game feels limiting to the point of being stifled. Like what do we got.... Striker ceska.... Heartbreaker memento ceska (with intimidate)... Headhunters (fury also) builds (including regulus), and lastly Tipping scales And thats abooouuut it I reckon. 4 different general build setups. I could be wrong and would absolutely love to stand corrected, but i cant think of much else unfortunately.

[grand girder]

how could you forget the infamous skill builds?

[worn imp]

I said red build variety

[grand girder]

ah that makes sense

[cerulean smelt]

dua legendary can be cheesed a bit with hardwired seekers

[worn imp]

Maybe im just itching for new gear sets to make red builds feel different from each other

[cerulean smelt]

i'm curious is the new gearset with chd built in will be a secondary striker build

[astral kraken]

heartbreaker isnt good for legendary. otherwise you have:

• all the striker variants (memento, glass, obliterate, turmoil, etc)
• determined headhunters (regulus hunter's fury, regulus high end, mmr hotshot)
• tipping scales (there aren't that many variants)
• nego (there aren't that many variants)

those are the main ones

there are only so many ways to shoot stuff 🤷‍♂️

you can also run OD as a red support if the team's dps is already good enough

[subtle bluff]

Hotshot

[worn imp]

Yeah there are. There can be a hundred more. They can be so much more creative with the ARPG framework this game has

[astral kraken]

yea its in my list

[subtle bluff]

Oh it is… zzzz time for me

[worn imp]

Im kinda including it as a part of the headhunter example in my paragraph

[grand girder]

balancing that many is quite a task

[astral kraken]

sure. everyone wants more things.

[grand girder]

and further ruins the loot pool

[worn imp]

If Path of Exile can do it so can this game.

[astral kraken]

lol have you actually played poe endgame?

it's one click AOE screen clears

[cerulean smelt]

especially each season climax exotic extending the exclusive exotic pool each stretch goals 😹

[grand girder]

😂

[worn imp]

Tbf tho to Division, the shooter framework is indeed a bit more limiting

[grand girder]

like it sounds you'd prefer borderlands for variety

[cerulean smelt]

have you tried POE2?

[astral kraken]

yea level 97

[worn imp]

Yeah endgame poe aint really my cup of tea. Maybe Darktide is a better example

[astral kraken]

this is poe: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8we8vcNfOPM

[cerulean smelt]

any good? about the same as 1 just more to it?

[worn imp]

PoE is very diffeeent if u play hardcore or higher difficulty content from what i understand

[astral kraken]

it has worse build variety than poe1. but everything else just better.

[cerulean smelt]

every season you start from level 1 unless you decide to opt out of the seasonal stuff and play on a different server that's not running the seasonal

[astral kraken]

endgame is bad but that's because it's ea. gets really boring fast.

[cerulean smelt]

for po2? i do remember getting bored of 1 around when they implemented something new forget what it was honestly

[worn imp]

And thats the niche of PoE. The game uses wipes to its strengths. Some love it some hate it. At least they have a clear dedicated audience for it

[cerulean smelt]

i was addicted to it for awhile there, but got burnt out 😹

[astral kraken]

i wish div had loot filters like poe has. that would be so amazing.

[worn imp]

How u burnt out by PoE and not division? What is there even left to do when youve played optimal leggo runs time and time again.

[cerulean smelt]

i don't play leggo 😹 or pvp

[worn imp]

Dude the materials grind on division is absolute bankrupcy simulation. I always need more. One of the biggest flaws in div2 for me

[astral kraken]

high difficulty content in div has a higher skill ceiling. poe is extremely build centric (very few mechanics) and div is much more dependent on mechanics. i've run the same missions thousands of times and still haven't had a perfect run yet.

[grand girder]

I take it you didnt mule then?

[meager fog]

Path of exile is a horrible example of balance 🤣

[strong cave]

I did!!!!! God you were so fun to play with in CD 🙏💯

[meager fog]

The most convoluted skill tree system in gaming history. And 99% of it will never be used lol

[strong cave]

I actually managed to get 2 to drop 🤣 I kept both pieces

[worn imp]

I am not using it as an example of balance at all. PoE balance is more than cracked. You misunderstand. Im using it to demonstrate how well they accomplish build variety. Tbf i didnt make that clear so mb

[random pendant]

🥳
The whole point of the game is it not! 😉
And now a new Season, let the games begin!

[grand girder]

you said variety around legendary tho?

[random pendant]

Like buses, they all turn up at once

[grand girder]

so it would need to be balanced otherwise the variety would be even worse no?

[worn imp]

Having to resort to that to avoid poor rewards balancing from the devs is a pathetic excuse to justify the current system. Sry for the vent hahah no, but no i didnt mule. I got back into div2 right before they patched muling

[astral kraken]

div has great build variety though. poe1 barely competes at endgame. poe2 is much much muuuch worse.

[worn imp]

Yeah for highest difficulty content. In best case scenario most kinda good build setups should hold up in the highest difficulty imo.

[cerulean smelt]

who says i'm not div 2 burnt out as well?

[worn imp]

That might be very right, havenr played poe2 yet so cant say

[worn imp]

💀 we all in the same boat

[cerulean smelt]

i literally play to get 100 season levels, them fomo events and then wait for next season lately 😹 so fun

[random pendant]

Can confirm, tier 500+ equals burnout 😛

[worn imp]

I just wish they made more interesting red gear sets with interesting quirky ways to get damage. Like Umbra is cool but they gooootta buff it for PvE

[worn imp]

Its a sad state of affairs imho. A game like this should be doing everything in its power to prevent burnout when events arent on

[summer carbon]

Holy!!!

[cerulean smelt]

i'm excited to see what they do for winter event though 🤔

[worn imp]

Wym? U expecting something especially refreshing? Im not lol. Its ubisoft

[cerulean smelt]

they learned we liked the halloween event so they're doing a winter one

[worn imp]

Ngl imo the Halloween event got hella repetitive

[cerulean smelt]

yes, but it was nice to see the BOO changed with halloween decorations for a change

[rich cosmos]

Tbf Id prefer a repetitive event thats only around for like two weeks

It was still fun

[hexed steppe]

thoughts on the new gearset? just slapped something together. still need a holster before i can swap things around and test with ceska glass tho.

welp, kinda meh solo. back to nego

ok, its passable for group pesti

[subtle bluff]

The chest is the same as TS and Striker.

[hexed steppe]

it stacks fast enough in group . i think itll need glass for pesti tho.... then i delta right after this

[scenic whale]

probably like GC ceska chest and Odogs or you think some other pieces, the backpack seems like a pretty hard to pass deal

[hexed steppe]

yeah, i think itll be cc bag/ceska glass chest once i farm out the cc holster. im just gonna focus pesti on this i think so the wd from the bag will be nice

[scenic whale]

In my mind it’s pretty hard to pass on the bag on any build just cause extra 70% WD is a pretty decent amount. How was ramping/dealing with decay in the 4 man (was it coordinated)

[hexed steppe]

was totally random. i was stacked by the time first room was done and it didnt seem like i was losing anything. something like TS was really noticeable decay, but this it didnt seem bad at all

[scenic whale]

So it really will do the 10s per stack decay even out of combat. That’s massive

[subtle bluff]

I haven't sat with pesti math with it

[hexed steppe]

ill have to see stacking without the chest to see if i like it.

[scenic whale]

The chest is what 4 marks max instead of 3?

[subtle bluff]

Max stack iirc

[hexed steppe]

chest is 8 marks instead of 4

chest

bag

[subtle bluff]

Wait...

[subtle bluff]

These guys did it again...

[subtle bluff]

Oh Nvm they did it right.

[scenic whale]

Chest seems kinda eh, backpack lets you go from 105 to 175 WD. Like without chest you’d need 1-1.5 rooms tops

but it is just WD so ehhh

[subtle bluff]

Why I suggest pesti with it.

[hexed steppe]

im using turret and drone with it so im getting 3 stacks per mark at least if i get stuff targetted properly

[scenic whale]

And if an ally kills it for you that’s 4 isn’t it

[hexed steppe]

yeah it seems like a pesti set to me

[scenic whale]

Have you tried if CC counts as “contribution”

[hexed steppe]

each mark can be up to 6 stacks if teamates arent running any damage skills. 12 stacks per mark max if all are running turret drone

[subtle bluff]

I'll have to throw on Vigil and GC with it to try it out.

[scenic whale]

That’s comedic

[hexed steppe]

so 3 marks can max out your meter if team is coordinated

one encounter will max it regardless of team makup i think

[scenic whale]

I would say the CHC investment seems steep but you do get 70% CHD from the set to make up for the slots being eaten so it works out fine

[subtle bluff]

Solo and group may feel different I'm thinking.

[devout iris]

any new biuld around stack broker or?

[subtle bluff]

Why for stacker? Acs12 does more in the end.

Base it's like 2-3 mill last mag dmg.

[devout iris]

just making sure

[hexed steppe]

oh nice, harmony on sale at the cd vendor this week

[subtle bluff]

Rarely weapons without a niche talent has a specific build for it.

[subtle bluff]

Did they fix the different vendor spawn?

From going on different toons?

[hexed steppe]

not sure. only logged one so far. its kingbreaker, henri, harmony for current

[worn elbow]

Ain’t gonna lie it kinda hits like a striker but not fully

Also 105 round Elmo is fun

[astral kraken]

and it begins

[meager fog]

Kind of hits like a strikers...but also absolutely NO WHERE NEAR....

[worn elbow]

Not at it fully

[meager fog]

Not at all.....you're missing an enormous damage amp for a start...

[subtle bluff]

I mean just change the BP you would do more dmg.

[meager fog]

Could just change the whole build and do alot more tbh lol

[worn elbow]

Dorky quick question would salvo be worth using or just a normal alloy holster with both crit attributes on it this for a striker build

[subtle bluff]

How much you guys gonna bet that the YT meta build is gonna be that and Striker.

[subtle bluff]

Again over other gear eh.

When you have overdogs, memento etc etc

[lone kelp]

any feedback about this build for skill dmg?

[worn elbow]

Probably something like striker
Mask backpack gloves knee pads
And the alloy parts chest piece named and normal alloy holster if you want that 20% damage for ar

[subtle bluff]

I don't do anything NBB. It's always a nerf to your dmg.

[lone kelp]

so force multiplier?

[subtle bluff]

There's a guide in the build hub. I have one too if you want.

[lone kelp]

yeah plz

[subtle bluff]

Oh wow I need to clean up my English...

[worn elbow]

I won’t be surprised if people start running this variant of strikers

[lone kelp]

how about this?

[subtle bluff]

I posted above for you.

[subtle bluff]

They already have been...

It's not the peak of dps since overdogs is 30% amp

[worn elbow]

Oh ye I forgot about overdogs

[subtle bluff]

I love repeating myself.

[solar sable]

do you, tho? then is dtoc an amp?

[subtle bluff]

Grrrrr.....

[lone kelp]

i mean the one i sent is based on the builds recommended on the spreadsheet

[subtle bluff]

Fairly sure the guide doesn't have a refactor chest on it.

[lone kelp]

the chest is important right?
bc 10% healing increased to 25% is a nice improvement
or is it better to have more sustained dmg to get more healing?

[subtle bluff]

Latter.
It's not exactly a ton more healing but doing more dmg to take things off field faster is preventing more dmg to be dealt. (Idk if I worded that correctly.)

[lone kelp]

so dont use the chest and focus on dealing more dmg

[subtle bluff]

Hence my post.

Using GC.

[north sinew]

Is a bulletking or bluescene, 4 tipping scales, overdogs and obliterate chest good enough for incursion/raid or do I need to use strikers still?

[lone kelp]

this should be better then

[subtle bluff]

Strikers

You can use TS but you'll drop stacks at some point trying to follow with everything.

[magic pilot]

still not optimal

[tardy nacelle]

if running Overdogs should you push to be as close as 60% CHC? Since I'm running 51% on Coyote's

[hexed steppe]

generally yeah. somewhere between 50-60 is fine. something like nego or tipping you want to hit 60

[subtle bluff]

Builds that depend on CHD/stack it you want to force CHC cap.

[tardy nacelle]

I guess I'll land on 59%

[hexed steppe]

perfect

[tardy nacelle]

Since I like having the scope on my Lexington

So I can't really go for exact 60%

[hexed steppe]

you can do quick calc on different ratios to find the actual best. all else the same just chd X chc for each possible

[tardy nacelle]

Yeah I mean you can get 60% on the dot if u go all 3 CHD attachments on Lexington and then some 6% CHC on gear, but I lose the scope so I kinda dont want that

[strong cave]

Scopes are good for really nasty angles so keeping it is smart 💯

[hexed steppe]

kinda bummed i couldnt test this set in the range

[strong cave]

Aw does it not work?

[hexed steppe]

actually, did this time. on a fresh login

[strong cave]

What I wonder is, can the agent who's wearing it get the stacks or were we all right and that it has to be an ally or a skill?

[hexed steppe]

im not sure what you mean. you can get stacks from any ally/skill/ally skill in any combination damaging your marks afaik.

[onyx sage]

what if it's skill ally?

[hexed steppe]

join me

we test

[onyx sage]

am at work

[hexed steppe]

reading it doesnt differentiate skill, but they mention including yourself , so i think its any skill

[strong cave]

No but like can you just shoot and kill the marked targets and have it count? YOU YOURSELF I mean

[hexed steppe]

i dont think it matters. i got stacks really quick earlier in a group, then got them quick solo in the range with a he chest so only 4 max marks

[strong cave]

We seeing striker numbers with it?

That's the million dollar question I wanna know

[hexed steppe]

and i delta as im on the desktop... lovely. striker probably more still, but its viable

viable for pesti anyways

[strong cave]

45k shd making my 18k I hit yesterday look like rookie numbers

[pastel crane]

What's the play on Concentrated Company?

[hexed steppe]

pesti team dps

glass with the cc bag

👆

[tardy nacelle]

just mising 1 mod for the 125%

[hexed steppe]

shd means nothing. youll still wipe the floor with me in a 1v1 👴

i think its 1 stack lost every 10 sec. so almost 6 minutes till fully depleted , super easy to maintain once stacked

[cerulean smelt]

non-sense you carried me earlier

[hexed steppe]

[subtle bluff]

give me 10

[magic pilot]

CC is good damage wise, it was before the buff in pts. Compared to non chest striker it does reach over 10 million dps. Which is my standard

I think the buff will mostly be noticeable at lower stacks

[strong cave]

Grampa deck, @magic pilot is the one you want to be paired with for pvp 💯 he's waayyyyyyy better than me

But I'm flattered thank you

Honestly if you're good at mortar in PvE, a good team in pvp with mortar is hard to fight against. Give it a try in conflict, you'd fit right in

[magic pilot]

Pretty solid tick dmg

[hexed steppe]

yeah its nice so far in group

[verbal gust]

I’ve been deltad 5 times today

[unreal bloom]

I got 6 in less than 2 hours

[vernal tusk]

I want to make a new build but i dont have new season cache and acess to new brand sets

Why

[subtle bluff]

uh?

[vernal tusk]

It says the pact

And only tipping scales

[subtle bluff]

for caches?

[subtle bluff]

I don't understand this context.

[hexed steppe]

if you login you should have access. they dont need to be unlocked afaik.
open your map, hit r, and look at potomac event center and downtown west

[pastel crane]

I assume this is an answer to my question.

[hexed steppe]

yes, its how im set atm and seems to work quite well

[pastel crane]

What's the cc bag?

Oh, concentrated company.

[hexed steppe]

yup

[pastel crane]

Gotta keep my Division lingo up.

[hexed steppe]

idk what to even call it yet

[pastel crane]

ConcetComp?

[solar sable]

just coco

[pastel crane]

Coco it is then

[vernal tusk]

Hello local, others , i mean countdown cache, i have the pact cache, and loot drop tipping scale, the new brand is not there, added

[hexed steppe]

coco,
👈 almost like koko

[cerulean smelt]

UA drops in a mission in DC btw.......

[hexed steppe]

oic, i havent even looked in the selectable target loot. it is in open world atm and drops a lot for the coco stuff

[vernal tusk]

Ua?

[cerulean smelt]

new brand set you're groaing you can't farm in countdown.....

[hexed steppe]

both are technically in the selectable loot, but the slider is messed up. click on exuro icon and use arrow down

[vernal tusk]

Ok so its added right?

[hexed steppe]

yeah

[vernal tusk]

Yes, nice, what about mutiny season cache from coundown vendor

[strong cave]

UA can't be targeted in CD?

[cerulean smelt]

dunno, localdeck's picture shows it before going into gear sets

[solar sable]

deck's ss shows it tho

[cerulean smelt]

wanna borrow my glasses? 🤔

[strong cave]

Misinterpreted a message

It's not far off this games full of bugs. Hell, just to find agents for CD you have to physically click the button to select it

Plus I have yet to log in and try so I'm making sure stuff works 😭

[cerulean smelt]

you're not missing out on much honestly

[hexed steppe]

journey 3 done, then delta.. my true new companion

im guessing the servers are slammed and add this new companion layer on top probably doesnt lighten the load

[subtle bluff]

Ok we can say there's a build for BH now.

BH HE DPS

[pastel basin]

@obtuse crystal I forgot about this, but what was the bookbag again? Was it a yaahl piece for haz or belstone?

[obtuse crystal]

belstone

[pastel basin]

With protector right?

[obtuse crystal]

yep

[pastel basin]

Thanksss

[haughty flame]

This for IH?

[obtuse crystal]

it is

[pastel basin]

Yeah 👍

Somehow in all my playtime I have never seen a single 13% pfe

Which is like 3 accounts with 1k+ levels

[subtle bluff]

trust is worse than that.

It's actually the rarest thing in the game.

[pastel basin]

It literally

Nah, rarest thing is farming something when you’re looking for it

[subtle bluff]

I haven't gotten one yet idk my hours atm

[obtuse crystal]

ive only gotten one

[subtle bluff]

lucky

[obtuse crystal]

go play ih youll get one i got mine there

[subtle bluff]

You just want me in IH.... lol jk

[obtuse crystal]

nah ive gave up on that idea

[subtle bluff]

LOL

[vivid axle]

anybody know if the vindicator scope counts for focus?

[strong cave]

Bro you don't even have 1???? I have 4 of them maxed out 💀

And I don't even use the damn things

[bold leaf]

I don't know why I never did that before, but I might have to try now thanks

[subtle bluff]

I just was like you know we can over come the no CHC/CHD mods with brandsets bonus.
We do the same with Pesti that way too. So why not.

[strong cave]

It's pretty good honestly. Surprised chow hasn't picked up on it till now

[vivid axle]

it does if anyone is ever searching for this. interesting

[subtle bluff]

Don't have it you should be able to test easily in the range

It's a crap weapon anyways

[vivid axle]

thats what i just did hence the confirmation message lol

who cares if its a crap weapon its different

[bold leaf]

It looks great yeah, kinda tempted to put Salvo in there tbh

[subtle bluff]

What I posted was different too

[subtle bluff]

IDK if I'd want more rpm on it.

[vivid axle]

yeah that seems kinda cool too

[subtle bluff]

I'm more tempted to go 3 and 3 for those brandsets

On only Body shots it's Burst DPS is 9mill

[vivid axle]

i played with the idea of a chainkiller bighorner hybrid at one point it was actually pretty good

technically you can chainkiller on the bh scope or maybe you also just get the bonus of using unscoped and get bonus damage too since youre specced into hsd

[bold leaf]

I tried that a long time ago, just wasn't worth it

[vivid axle]

its whatever just another bighorn build

[subtle bluff]

there's not many of them..

that good

[vivid axle]

i dont get how vindicator is even that bad. specd into chc/d plus another 60% plus focus probably is a lot of damage

[subtle bluff]

I only use BH for incursion bosses really.

[vivid axle]

i use bh for dz thats basically it

[subtle bluff]

It's DPS numbers suck. I've seen someone try to use in PvE it's doable but slower.

[vivid axle]

if crusader still worked like it used to with 8x scopes vindicator would be truly nuts i think

[bold leaf]

Yeah BH in the incursion is my go to now too, if I can hit my shots of course

[vivid axle]

bh is better than backfire in incursion now?

[subtle bluff]

Ya it's not the best it's happens to work well with one-shot builds.
BF is still the best DPS.

[subtle bluff]

They've been in the same place since TU22

nothing has changed.

[vivid axle]

i also just wanted to try vindicator since its the only exotic i havent built around and im shocked how not turbo shit it is

compared to most of the other ones its like solid B tier

diamonback tier

[bold leaf]

The problem with Vindicator is not so much the talent as it's a high ROF rifle

[strong cave]

Vindicator is just too much like a casino gun, same with Diamondback

[vivid axle]

this is what i thought as well

[strong cave]

God forbid diamondback targets an enemy not shooting you. RIP that damage

[subtle bluff]

everything on paper can always look good but in actually it's different. Just like why we don't say BH is better or good for incursion.

[vivid axle]

i think theres space to mess around with different vindicator builds for fun tho i like the mechanic and i really like that it works with focus

[strong cave]

And vindicator God forbid it targets a foot or something

[vivid axle]

i never say anything unless ive tested it myself

[subtle bluff]

I remember someone trying say vindicator can out DPS any build when on incursion.

[strong cave]

When you know build theory and how everything works, sometimes testing isn't really all that needed

You just know beforehand

[subtle bluff]

That was cute.

[vivid axle]

i was just using vindicator on my aces m16 build and it was like, fine. I think theres a way to make it at least fun to use

[subtle bluff]

I am not saying do not use it just giving my 2 cents.

[vivid axle]

i dont really care if its very good but if its fun thats cool

[strong cave]

Can't be worse than the guy I queued master with taking 3 piece airaldi for LMG build

THAT was comical

"I'm DPS bro"

[subtle bluff]

I mean the thought wasn't bad he was doing just not Efficient on the bosses.

[vivid axle]

this is what people told me when i was convinced the 93r optimal range build would be good and guess what? They ||kinda were right that was not very fun to play ||

its really not that bad i just didnt like it

[hexed steppe]

That dta tho

[strong cave]

I've mathed his build out at the time and yeah let's just say striker cleared everything he was trying to kill

[strong cave]

Yeah man I need that extra sniper and headshot damage in case I gotta bust out my killer White Death

No need for headshots my crits will do the work

[hexed steppe]

"Multiplicitive"

[subtle bluff]

He went Striker with it. Stacks it up then when to shoot at the boss marks teh whole time

[strong cave]

I think the proper term here is "Amplicitadditive"

[onyx sage]

isn't it addictive and manipulative

[strong cave]

Goofy builds are fun when you have nothing else to do. I've been on my Pointman/Galvanize side quest

I just can't stop using the build 😭

[strong cave]

I mean, at least it's not abusive. Still need that decoy build? 🙏

[subtle bluff]

I hate you ppl sometimes.

🤢

[vivid axle]

i dont think i can get WH to an acceptable level and also chc/d on vindicator. 2pc airaldi with PE/gift/foxes/zoo gloves? thats all hsd

what a stupid talent they gave this bullshit weapon i had to play a horrible game mode for

[vivid axle]

im still on my quest for full red 5.11 build thats all i farm for if i have no builds in mind

[strong cave]

One day I will crash your guys Leggo run with it. Just give it a chance 🙏

[bold leaf]

3pc Zwia including Eagles Grasp?

[strong cave]

Would work, I have a rifle build for ravvy that's just that. Don't use eagles use ODogs instead

The vindicator is just terrible tho

[onyx sage]

so pro

[bold leaf]

You know it

[vivid axle]

yeah thats the wh/hsd way to run it. I think theres a combo that works i just need to figure out where the WH dropoff is

[silent storm]

I've been using a Zwia chest/back with HH and Vigi, OvD, Fox's, 2pc Breaking Point that does ok

HSD as main stat and WH on chest and back with HSD mods

Determined 1886

[subtle bluff]

A lot have been running that.

[silent storm]

makes sense because it is really strong

[subtle bluff]

Solo I'll still run HFF over that. I'll run that with groups.

[silent storm]

This is my new favorite Hunter Fury build

Chatterbox go BRRRRT

[magic pilot]

Sokolov or grupo chest is better

Unfortunately

[silent storm]

Sokolov is better for SMG but with SG I feel H-K is

[subtle bluff]

when you're using a shotgun it doesn't matter really.

Go Grupo if you think that.

[magic pilot]

HK is just not a good piece unless you are running headshot and/or regen

[silent storm]

Still get the 10WD on SG with H-K

[subtle bluff]

Sorry what?

[magic pilot]

Not exactly the same

[subtle bluff]

How do you get 10 WD?

[silent storm]

sorry 4WD

[subtle bluff]

Try again

[silent storm]

Hold on trying to find my normal Intimidate piece to get the right amount

[subtle bluff]

Your close.

[silent storm]

No it's 4WD because normal is 9 stack and Perfect is 10 stacks

[subtle bluff]

Since you don't know it's AMP

[magic pilot]

It's a self amp too ^

[silent storm]

Yeah pretty good, specially when a healer sticks a drone or a hive on you as you rush in

[subtle bluff]

Don't even need to do that.

[silent storm]

And I don't know the complaints for Hunter-Killer, still good in my eyes but I didn't use it much pre-nerf to build a hatred for it now

[subtle bluff]

You just run up to them and kill them

[silent storm]

yeah pretty much lol

[subtle bluff]

Hunter Killer is mostly used in PvP

[magic pilot]

It's just not an optimal piece I don't hate it. I use it on half my pvp builds

[silent storm]

Well I don't PvP much because of the issues

[magic pilot]

For pve generally grupo/ceska/weapon dmg brand is better

[subtle bluff]

Just run up to them and go burrrrrr

[silent storm]

Doesn't the 10 Status Effects help the disorient on Hunter's Fury though?

[magic pilot]

Not really noticeable or worth stacking status for

[subtle bluff]

so slightly

[silent storm]

yeah so I am happy

[subtle bluff]

lol

[silent storm]

It's not like it is a useless attribute

[subtle bluff]

has in nothing for when you foce applying it

it's like maybe 0.05 longer that it's

Pretty much is.

[silent storm]

Honestly I want to max my Lady Death and try that

[subtle bluff]

it's not great on heroic.

[magic pilot]

I want the LD to not suck

[silent storm]

Lady Death sucks now?

[magic pilot]

Revert the cmmg nerfs

[subtle bluff]

SERSIOUSLY

[magic pilot]

It's been bad since a little after project resolve

[silent storm]

Haven't used it yet as I haven't gotten Dttooc on it yet

[magic pilot]

I have one loadout with it, and it's not for shooting lmao

[subtle bluff]

I should go back and look at the numbers for fun vs what we have now for SMG's

[silent storm]

SO I wasted a bunch of exotic scraps then?

[magic pilot]

Melee PvP

[lone kelp]

What are some good builds with the lexington? I have like 3 of them

[magic pilot]

Would be interesting

[magic pilot]

Any build you want to use an AR on, a lot of the builds on the pinned sheet have ARs

[subtle bluff]

Most good build are generic to the w/e weapon.

[magic pilot]

HH Striker

[silent storm]

The only flaw I found with my Lexington is I can't use it on my Hunter-Killer Fury build

[subtle bluff]

It works fine on HF

[magic pilot]

Can definitely use an AR with HF

[hexed steppe]

skill issue

[silent storm]

Naa I like The Caretaker over it since you are so close anyway

[magic pilot]

My biggest skill issue with div2 right now is that everytime I try to boot the game it loads tarkov launcher

[subtle bluff]

I loaded into EFT

[silent storm]

Eve Fitting Tool?

[silent storm]

Here we go, Perfect Killer build. Now time to spam some Heroics and Legendaries.

[keen raptor]

Hey guys, does anyone have a good pestilence build for solo PvE/group?

[subtle bluff]

In the Build Hub you'll find in the Pinned Message > Gearsheet

[hexed steppe]

i would say the new set is decent in group for pesti

[lone kelp]

Would u take a lexington over any named ar?

[magic pilot]

Generally yes

[honest moss]

Does oxi benefit from fox's or is that mortar turret?

[hexed steppe]

oxi

oxi uses dttooc and dta, mortar only uses dta

[honest moss]

Got it, thank you

[subtle bluff]

Idk if I like in open PvE mission it's alright if you're moving along well

It's better in groups i think.

[silent storm]

What the new set?

[hexed steppe]

i havent given it enough time in ow, but its definitely great in missions. not sure i want to bring it in legs tho

that nego hard to give up 😎

[hexed steppe]

bag yes, chest not used

[subtle bluff]

Did the numbers

You want me to upload the run here?

[gentle lichen]

Compared to other gearsets?

[subtle bluff]

The 2 below it are the meta builds for the last 2 seasons

[gentle lichen]

How long do you need to stack for to get to that result?

[hexed steppe]

the stacks werent hard to build. in a team its pretty rapid with super slow decay

where did ceska glass overdogs sit

[keen raptor]

Tyvm!!

The Liquid Engineer Backpack only drops in DZ right?

[subtle bluff]

May ask what your SHD lvl?

[keen raptor]

I was 3-4k when i stopped.

Came back and everything changed so i made a new character to enjoy the content and learn the game again

[subtle bluff]

I can answer but to TBH there's no good reason or builds that uses this.

Just checking you know how to do CD and stuff.

[keen raptor]

Oh really? Damm... Will need to find a replacement for that one Then.

Tyvm! Lol

[silent storm]

Liquid Engineer looks like it needs a very specific attribute layout and no one knows what that is yet lol. I feel like if they upped the AOK on it might be better though.

Maybe a Tank build that can actually kill stuff regularly but I doubt it

I would use Liquid Engineer if it was 15-20% AOK

[subtle bluff]

No and no.

[silent storm]

Would probably have to go higher though to beat out Adreneline Rush

[keen raptor]

On The Guide i saw The person was using only for survivability.

It was because of a talent that gives 12% armor on kill, something like that.

But i guess It has better options right ?

[silent storm]

Best Survival is just not getting hit

[subtle bluff]

You have AoK from gunner

[silent storm]

The problem with Bloodsucker in general is it doesn't perfectly synergize with any other skill

[subtle bluff]

Mix these up

[silent storm]

And it makes it even harder to use because you are giving up a frontloaded armor talent or a frontloaded DMG talent for it

I would say that if you want Bonus Armor, get a Cap'n and abuse that or if you bought the Matador that was on sale at Countdown vendor last week

[shy willow]

intimidate...

[silent storm]

You want stacks to start building before you shoot

I mean if you pair it with Smart Cover that could work but that is a lot more work than just getting close or C2C move.

And you need to be withing 10 meters for Intimidate to even matter so why use Bloodsucker at all?

[verbal gust]

Idk that beacon chest is trash!

[magic pilot]

I would only use bloodsucker on builds where you already reach necessary dmg threshold, like with mmr I run it solo

[silent storm]

What's the beacon chest?

[magic pilot]

New exo chest

[silent storm]

Oh yeah

[verbal gust]

Trash…

[silent storm]

I think I might just farm a Cap'n over Matador for my Hunter's Fury build.

I like that the Matador just refreshes though without having to C2C move

Wouldn't hurt to have both though and try it out

[verbal gust]

This what I got so far that’s effective for me. Idk except weapons. Idk

[round zinc]

for striker coyote is the new brand worth it over ceska now?

[subtle bluff]

The P. Obli one yes

not by any crazy amount

[silent storm]

Are yo supposed to be able to target Concentrated Company in Countdown?>

[lone kelp]

What talent goes better with the firestarter chem launcher? In sync or pressure point?

[last schooner]

thoughts on the new gearset and brandset?

[bold leaf]

If you pick the one in the bottom left corner then arrow down, it selects the new one off-screen

[bold leaf]

I believe out of the two, In Sync as it increases skill damage. Pressure Point only increases weapon damage.

At least on a fire build anyway

[last schooner]

is Con Comp supposed to be good?

seems kinda convoluted

[subtle bluff]

In-Sync buff both WD and Skill Dmg depend on the action

[subtle bluff]

It's mid.

[bold leaf]

Seems like a weird combo of multiple other damage gearsets, not really sure what they're going for other than for using with the companion

[zinc canyon]

Can anyone help me with a tanky but still good damage st elm build?

[wraith zealot]

didnt have the same potential as TS, striker, and nd? A to B tier while those 3 on S?

[subtle bluff]

We really don't do tankie in this game. Bullets hurt a lot and there's a lot of them. What build do you have on now?

[subtle bluff]

It give just WD and it's kind of oppsite of TS in sense. Slow to stack and slow to lose.

[wraith zealot]

standard red striker, dont waste your time with hybrids, you'll struggle on harder contents.

[wraith zealot]

hmm, then can they be good on incurs or solo leggo?

[silent storm]

Yeah it won't let me scroll down far enough but if I WASD down to it I can select it

[wraith zealot]

it happens sometimes.

[subtle bluff]

It's not that powerful

[zinc canyon]

Striker with the chest piece and backpack bc I don’t have memento yet cyotes mask st Elmo and leg gloves with mag size on them also 2 blue cores for armour and the rest crit damage and crit chance

[subtle bluff]

If you look up a bit there's are 2 guides I've posted

[wraith zealot]

is it a chore to use? hardly able to play these days.

[silent storm]

Drop all blue cores and practice not dying while 6 red core

[wraith zealot]

i mean if it was easy like striker i could see using it for heroic stuffs.

[subtle bluff]

It's... idk not worth I'm messing with it on pesti but everything else would just not worth it

[bold leaf]

You only get stacks on kill and if you're solo you get one stack per kill, right?

[wraith zealot]

does it beat specialized HE pesti or not?

[subtle bluff]

It does at max stack

Takes a bit tho. I have a run I upload to my YT.

[wraith zealot]

ah might give it a shot, you got infographics yet for it? @subtle bluff

[subtle bluff]

nooope

[wraith zealot]

looking forward to it

[subtle bluff]

I have solo many to update

I'll add it to the guide later once I play with more in group

[lone kelp]

So its better to amplify weapon damage to spread the status effect to the others

[bold leaf]

If you check the pinned comments there is a detailed page on fire builds in the gear spreadsheet that'll explain it best

[lone kelp]

There isnt any fire build

Just oxy chem build

[subtle bluff]

EP eclipse protocol

It's in there

I added burn/fire to it so it easier to find

[lone kelp]

Aight

Im just not a big fan of the everlasting glaze

[cerulean aurora]

Ninja backpack 1 Heartbreaker(15%AR Damagae and weapon handle) 1 fenris (10%ar damage and 30%reload speed) 1 unfazed (5%rate of fire and 20%ARdamage) and 2 striker + 45% ar damage and the rate of fire is nuts

[solar sable]

NBB? brotha ughhh

[meager fog]

Awful

[cerulean aurora]

how so

[subtle bluff]

there's a list of choices...

[subtle bluff]

Woah.... talk about cookie cutter build

[lone kelp]

Ik
Ig the list is not updated yet

[meager fog]

You're stacking AR damage...and nothing else.

No multipliers....nothing.

And Ninjabike...for the last time is a DIRECT NERF

[subtle bluff]

???

The weapon barely matters for EP

[lone kelp]

Aight nvm then

[junior parrot]

Doing a armor on kill build. A video said to use belstone but I thought Uzina would work nice. Anything i should tinker with?

[subtle bluff]

Take off the Blue and go more Red and just burn things down.

This is what HF should be able to do don't mind the weapon

[junior parrot]

Holy shit

[inland vigil]

What would go nice with a Heartbreaker build, as Technician, using Pastilence and the Police M4

[verbal gust]

I’m using 2 pc new brand set unstoppable force equalizer and 4pc strikers. Thinking of replacing unstoppable force for strikers back pack n salvo.

[subtle bluff]

This. Change out Coyote for something else.

[torpid hollow]

is there an uptodate wiki or excel sheet or something else, with all the sets/named items and their stats and locations? cause the fandom wiki seems kinda useless

[subtle bluff]

Yes Pinned Messages > Gearsheet

[torpid hollow]

sweet thanks mate 🙂

is there away to get a 7th set bonus slot (not really sure how to word it lol) want to fit a 3 piece and a 4 piece set

[solar sable]

no... gearsets give you bonuses for 4 pieces, not more.

[torpid hollow]

no im trying to fit 2 sets

one 4p set and one 3p set

[lost wren]

@magic pilot
the holy trinity

[solar sable]

well, yes but it's not optimal, you wouldn't get the gearset's fixed bonus for chest and backpacks for example

[lost wren]

i got all three 0.024 dc weapons from the dz
shit's crazy

[subtle bluff]

nuttttie

[solar sable]

plus you lose an opportunity for a strong backpack talent

the entire concept is just not optimal and messy

In simpler words, no

[torpid hollow]

never said it was a good idea lol just that i wanted to try it 😛

[gentle lichen]

This is either lottery winning luck or something broke with the % drops for them in the new season

[torpid hollow]

they are totaly gonna get hit by a buss next time they leave the house

[lost wren]

ravenous and bighorn i got last december
eagle bearer i got today

[torpid hollow]

use up all their luck

[lost wren]

didn't even need eb i was using it when i got the drop lol

[solar sable]

I was gonna post how you could do it but I don't wanna flood the channel with nerd talk

[torpid hollow]

this whole channle is nerd talk dude thats what builds are 😛

[grand girder]

🤓

[wraith zealot]

☝️ 🤓 uhmm actually, we are too knowledgeable about the game and we are obsessed with the right build, so we are a geek.

[subtle bluff]

I won't disagree

[hidden moss]

Thinking of making a build around ironlung but before grinding wanna know if it is possible.

First variation: firewall spec all red and have status affect attributes 4 piece EP + The Courier backpack + Imperial dynasty.

Second variation: same as the first one but swap EP with 3 piece Exuro and an Obliterate chest or a glasscanon one

[wraith zealot]

might make a fun build for heroic stuff.

go for the 1st one?

i'm averse to exuro

[hidden moss]

Yeah was thinking the same might try both but gonna try completing that one first. Spread fire everywhere

[wraith zealot]

Set the world on fire type build.

[hidden moss]

Ironlung fire damage scales with status effect right? Hate to grind it and it ends up not being the case

[wraith zealot]

give it a shot rq with yellow EP you got?

[hidden moss]

Wish I could I’m at work planning my play session for the day

[wraith zealot]

same. Are we time thief?

[drowsy mica]

This is what I've been running for a while and I absolutely love it. Sure, it doesn't hit as hard as some other builds, but it still kills fairly quickly and gives you incredible survivability.
Bear in mind that I'm primarily a solo player, so my builds/playstyle usually revolve around that.

[drowsy mica]

(Originally the Unit Alloys piece was a Fenris, but I changed that today. Might swap it to Salvo when I get my hands on it.)

[drowsy mica]

My dumbass completely forgot the C79 scope exists and has the same stats as the rugged mini reflex sight 😯

[subtle bluff]

It could hit harder and take more if you have a memento.

[drowsy mica]

Yeah, but I like the extra bonuses I get from NinjaBike (and Memento kinda looks ugly as hell when I'm not doing a Hunter cosplay)

[subtle bluff]

This is upper limit of what HB can do.

[drowsy mica]

I like how mine feels and functions

[subtle bluff]

You are in Build Advice channel.

[drowsy mica]

I was responding, not asking

[subtle bluff]

Why Belstone then?

[drowsy mica]

Armor on kill + regen

[subtle bluff]

But you make Bonus armor.

[drowsy mica]

For the times when my armor is stripped

[subtle bluff]

Seem like another issue more.

[drowsy mica]

k

It works for me, and I don't currently plan on changing it

[subtle bluff]

so you just trying to show off a build?

[drowsy mica]

I was responding to someone asking about HB with what I enjoy using

[hazy steeple]

@drowsy mica If you don't want people to discuss your build, I recommend posting it in another server.
This channel is specifically for giving/receiving advice about builds.

[drowsy mica]

I was?

[hazy steeple]

No one's build in here is above discussion, even the meta ones are endlessly broken down and re-built.

[subtle bluff]

I mean he was replying to someone else that already got his answer.

[drowsy mica]

I'm fully aware of that

[subtle bluff]

It was backlogging reading and didn't read the rest the context below and wanted to share.

[drowsy mica]

I just wanted to share what I enjoy using

[subtle bluff]

in our opinion a very not optimal build and one that specifically is for them.

[drowsy mica]

*her

[drowsy mica]

That's fine, I know it isn't the most optimal

I stated as such earlier. I'm just showing other ideas

[subtle bluff]

I already said that.

But I will say it's bad idea.

[drowsy mica]

Fine
I'm just sharing what I find fun to use

I'm not interested in continuing this

[subtle bluff]

My one thing I hate here is when players give out misinformation but you're just sharing your build like you stated and it will get questions as we all said.

Yup I'm done.

[hazy steeple]

You can just not respond if you don't want to discuss something.
I promise you that if someone tries to follow you into DM's to keep going, you can report them and we'll act very heavily on it.

[astral kraken]

The problem with sharing weak builds is new players copy those builds, matchmake for difficult content, and make the content more difficult for everyone else in the group. Then they ask someone with experience and are told tha the build is weak. Then they get upset they wasted optimization materials on a weak build.

We try to look at builds more objectively (using math and testing). People can then take those objectively good builds and tweak them for personal preference and make them worse (what they find fun).

[drowsy mica]

I wouldn't share if I found it weak

[astral kraken]

Yea but we don't trust you. For all we know you're the one who gets carried in missions and doesn't realize it. That's why we use math and testing and not just vibes.

So unless you can show your build has advantages over well tested and proven builds... it'll be weak.

Just to be clear this is for the benefit of new players, that's all.

Trust me I have some very wacky builds that I don't share on here

[subtle bluff]

What content do you play?

[subtle bluff]

dittto

[drowsy mica]

Then is there a place here where I can just discuss my builds and new ideas without people acting like I'm a threat or something? I just wanted to share, I'm not trying to harm anyone

[subtle bluff]

If anything I am context for you build by asking for what content you play on.

I see you're just a solo player so should I assume you're just doing up to solo heroic then?

[drowsy mica]

Those are the fun ones lol

[hazy steeple]

People on here can come across as kinda intense, but they very much don't mean any harm.
The main goal of this channel is to help newbies get a good foundation layed, so that they can help other folks out.

[drowsy mica]

I'm sorry then
Is there a place where I'm not going to get crucified for just sharing what I enjoy?

[grand girder]

https://discord.com/channels/477210626742288384/553520755103760385

ask people what they think of your builds and can begin discussions

[hazy steeple]

Using such heavy language in every response is very much giving out the vibes that you want to post anything, and have no one discuss the strengths and weakness of it.

[astral kraken]

I can't speak for others but there's nothing wrong with posting a build IMO. But it's gonna get picked apart. Especially if it's a blue heartbreaker with a ninja bag lol. That way the person you're responding to knows it's suboptimal, at least.

[drowsy mica]

I don't understand what you mean

[astral kraken]

She's saying no one is crucifying you. We're just saying the build is very suboptimal.

Which is to be expected 🙂

[cerulean smelt]

my turn to get crucified 😹 trying this out, but can't sem to find the gloves/knees with chance on it yet so i can move pieces around and maybe put more optimal stuff on 🤔

[grand girder]

🤮

sorry thats just my reaction to a skill build

[hazy steeple]

I've mentioned this before, but if anyone wants a genuinely different playstyle to the usual striker nonsense, iKia's tempest+tech hive setup is genuinely a lot of fun, and it's quite hard to die.

I've been using it as a sort of "revive doctor", going into backup calls, standing directly in front of the minigun, and getting Agents back up.

[lone kelp]

Why are u using concentrated company gearset for a skill build?

[cerulean smelt]

for the most part just to see if i can get max stacks and maintain it and to see if it can perform better than striker from my perspective

[lone kelp]

But its based on group play. At least thats what the gearset bonus description says

[grand girder]

stacks decay every 10 secs, as in 1 stack per 10s or all of them at once?

[drowsy mica]

I doubt it'll perform better, but I'm curious to see the results

[lone kelp]

Yeah
The more people are in ur group, the stronger the gearset is

[cerulean smelt]

doesn't say it in the description. just an ally or skill has to shoot your marked target and that target dies within 7secs

[hazy steeple]

Yannick did describe it as a "squad leader fantasy".

[drowsy mica]

I wanna see 4 people running it at once lol

[lone kelp]

I mean just by reading it u can recognize u need to be playing in a group to have allies shooting at ur target
Which is counterintuitive bc everyone is usually pointing at someone different and to make everyone point to the same target, unless its a big boss, sounds hard

[dark sinew]

striker build feels really squishy, any other builds around

something more tankier but if possible same dmg X_X

or close to it

[subtle bluff]

I mean it's more game play than the build.
There's nothing like that. HB is near that.

[meager fog]

Nope.

You sacrifice damage for survivbility.

Thats the way it works

You can use memento backpack with strikers if you're stuggling, that'll give you more armour and some regen without too much damage lost

[astral kraken]

cover has infinite hp

otherwise, best hp boost you can give yourself as a dps build is a shield

(which is boosted by blue/yellow cores, but don't use too many)

[dark sinew]

ty, it was ok until this new season, now its 2-3shots and my armor is down

[grand girder]

were you perchance relying on zealot?

[dark sinew]

it was cheska with coyote previously, now i got the new armor that replaced cheska

[meager fog]

Last seasons modifiers were a bit broken. Alot of people are going to find that out this season lol.

Surviving in a full red comes from good play, awareness, positioning and correct use of cover and environment.

No amount of armour will help with that, its a learning curve

[cerulean smelt]

i still maintain to get full stacks and keep it up pretty reliably solo between 2 skills and companion so far

[astral kraken]

I'm wearing glass cannon here. So if you feel like you're dying in 1-2 shots then you're positioning is causing that.

Use tall cover, don't stand in the open, don't overextend, and pie the room so you're fighting as few enemies at a time as possible.

And practice detecting when you're about to get overwhelmed so you can fall back before it happens.

Oh and learn how health gate works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QptCP8jmF9g

[dark sinew]

ty

[patent fossil]

I do feel like they might have boosted true sons turrets this season (maybe connected to the companions turret), they seem to be hitting way harder

Based off a very limited number of interactions though

[astral kraken]

I thought the same thing!!

[subtle bluff]

One of the hostile modifiers give them a bunch of Skill Haste so they NADE and stuff like they have HW.

[patent fossil]

It's not that, just the damage they hit for, getting healthgated in like two hits from a turret and not even running glass cannon (just full red)

[drowsy mica]

jesus 😳

[magic pilot]

Congrats!

Welcome to the club

[coral reef]

i'm keeping an ear on the ground here, have you folks discovered some good combinations or uses for the new gearsets?

[sonic pebble]

I am still getting used to the exotic mask from last manhunt.

[stiff bluff]

play aggressively itll make you learn fast ngl full red circling around covers is super fun

[magic pilot]

Works well with pesti

[lament reef]

is it worth using striker drone with concentrated company for stacks

[cerulean smelt]

i was using it and seemed to work well, then i made it a skill tier build on it with turret and drone. would get stacks reliably but deltas makes them stacks goes poof so i'll have to see after if we can play well enough to keep stacks going

[oblique sundial]

good morning folks is there a site where i can check out builds for the new season?

[cerulean smelt]

@lament reef i've altered a bit last night to 2 empress Chest with glass cannon and gloves just to see how glass cannon works on it#td2-build-advice message

[lament reef]

hmm

[cerulean smelt]

in the upper right hand corner at least on pc there's a pin with builds in it. if the brand/gear sets or talents don't show up then it didn't make the cut and it'd be upto you to get creative yourself to make a build

[lament reef]

new season is brandnew so we don’t really have anything in the google doc yet

Tipping scales took a few days to be vetted and tested before it was added, i would expect the same for the new gear and brand sets in this season (if at all)

[oblique sundial]

has it been updated with new builds for this season or no

i do see it was recently updated dec 3

[magic pilot]

That site is not allowed

It's a boosting site, use your head

[oblique sundial]

what do you mean not allowed?

[magic pilot]

You can't post it here

[oblique sundial]

i just follow the build set up and copy that

[magic pilot]

It's against the games ToS

[oblique sundial]

i did not know that sorry

[cerulean smelt]

aka it's against this discords TOS as well

[oblique sundial]

i did not know that im not good w building and i would just copy the setups but i have erased it

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/htmlview how about this has it been updated

[cerulean smelt]

just don't ping birdshot. they might be cooking again 😹

[magic pilot]

It'll be updated by the end of the weekend

[oblique sundial]

aight thank you guys

[cerulean smelt]

probably putting salvo in a striker build?

[magic pilot]

Yea for chest striker

[oblique sundial]

im thinking of trying out skills build see hownitnworks

[cerulean smelt]

equalizer have any uses yet? or is it kind meh?

[magic pilot]

It's really good if you were already not going to run glass

[oblique sundial]

i feel like the enemies are more powerful here lol

[cerulean smelt]

about only thing comes to mind is pairing strikers with equalizer and salvo honestly 😹

[hexed steppe]

you rang?

[oblique sundial]

anyone on ps5 or all pf

[magic pilot]

Boosting site was linked

[cerulean smelt]

@hexed steppe did you try the concentrated company with mortar build yet?

[hexed steppe]

no, idt it does anything for skills

[magic pilot]

Yea it's a good combo

[hexed steppe]

coco is pesti only for me

[cerulean smelt]

i'm testing this out so far it's pretty impressive for my standards
#td2-build-advice message

made some changes for the moment 2 empress. chest with glass cannon and gloves. gonna have to farm up something else for the chest atm though

[hexed steppe]

i mean, you also use skilled so standards arent too high

🔥

[oblique sundial]

anyone mind doing a screen share n helping a brother out im getting shredded lol

[hexed steppe]

i can see it being ok for hybrid tho, it does stack a lot of wd... go with a highend chest

[cerulean smelt]

some chd too

[grand girder]

with what?

[hexed steppe]

go with glass and overdogs

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, might go for that, told i'm fighting an up hill battle for that though 😹

[hexed steppe]

ill be on in a bit if you need to farm out any of the pieces still... wait is it still maintenance

[hallow arch]

there any updated stuff in the build hub? Thinking of checking it out in a bit

[cerulean smelt]

was going to ping you last night to carry me to find a chance/damage sacrifice (> <) but with how often i got booted was like not worth it

[hexed steppe]

yeah no doubt

[grand girder]

are you not able to craft one?

[cerulean smelt]

#td2-build-advice message

[hexed steppe]

saw that

[cerulean smelt]

no blueptint for it yet

[hallow arch]

Oh damn, that's good to know lol

[cerulean smelt]

i hope concentrated company makes the cut in there in some form

[hexed steppe]

looks like we are back in business

[vernal tusk]

Hey gys i struggle yesterday with suply drop but today i learned there was a question mark after i liberate controll points i went to them and suply drop activated. Now i made it 🙂

[scenic whale]

Any updates on CCompany with the builds

[hexed steppe]

just what i posted last night with pesti

[scenic whale]

What’s the verdict so far, viable enough to be squad leader RP type beat but not so good you’d say it’s le meta? Also how’s the potential of going on that build with yellow cores lmao

[hexed steppe]

group viable, solo is less so

[hexed steppe]

@cerulean smelt has a yellow version they're testing

[verbal gust]

This rifle is bananas. All HS WH HS mods. What do you think?

[stiff bluff]

may allah help you bro wdym the update was yesterday how do u have this

[onyx sage]

hax

[magic pilot]

Bank account

[verbal gust]

No I just been playing since yesterday minus downtimes. Priority objectives bruh

[magic pilot]

Damn

[frozen hull]

I haven’t played that much and I’m already up to the exotic chest .. I’m guessing they ran through and completed all the companion objectives which give hella xp and it’s relatively easy to complete this season

And yeah priority objective especially strong holds on heroic that’s how I was able to hurry and complete the last seasons rewards

[verbal gust]

I got my journey done yesterday late.

[stiff bluff]

i look up to u bro both the arms and the build ❤️

[verbal gust]

Changed 3 piece zwia ceska chest with headhunter and spot on holster.

[pliant pelican]

what fun builds can i pair this with? (got a random named chest from dev team for something)

[vivid axle]

focus and vindicator is pretty good

[mild ravine]

hey everyone, I'm kind of a returning player and all my builds suck, anyone know builds i can use that are low skill?

i have every exotic (other than eagle bearer) and im shd lvl 1,301, I'd appreciate any help

[solar sable]

every build can be used by anyone if they understand how to use it and squeeze the best parts
check out the pinned Spreadsheet in this channel

[mild ravine]

alr thanks 👍

[daring verge]

Hello,

Does anyone have a good striker build?

[pliant pelican]

prob the most common one is 4p + ceska chest obli & bp of sombra ig? with elmo

[solar sable]

why grupo bag??