td2-build-advice

[pastel basin]

I mean, it’s also about fun, you do you. But you’re genuinely just wasting your time with a tank player that could be
A. Buffing your team with true patriots
B. Crowd control which is so amazing whenever they know how to do it effectively
Or C. Go pure dps as well

[hazy steeple]

EP is not the same as a pure healer, they shouldn't even be in the same conversation.

[pastel basin]

EP?

[hazy steeple]

crowd control builds.

[pastel basin]

Ohhhh that

Bro, that with electrique and a golan piece. With survivalist too

Amazing, enemies will legit not move at all

It takes a lifetime for them to move

I genuinely want to make that build, but like, at the same time, I also know that the randoms I get in my games will be running some terrible builds to the point where me running pure dps and going through the enemies would be faster

[drowsy mica]

If the tank player can do their job well, they're welcome on my team

On other topics...

I slept on HB for way too long lol

[hexed steppe]

decoy is best aggro tank in the game

[pastel basin]

Also rivens, should I make a striker solo build, or hunters fury?

Which would be better 👀

In terms of run and gun

[hazy steeple]

I mean, both have uses, both are good to make.
<insert spanish meme here of why not both>

You'll get a use out of both, both are really strong.

[drowsy mica]

I need to make a Hunters Fury build someday soon 🤔

[pastel basin]

Omfg, wait no, striker would be better no? With the 10% armor on kill from gunners, and momento and obliterate, no?

[hazy steeple]

Actually, you can use 1 piece in both, so if you farm out a perfectly stat'ed Ceska Oblit w/double crit stats chest, you can slap that on about 50 builds.

[subtle bluff]

Hot take for HF fun... Looking for the clip

[drowsy mica]

?

[subtle bluff]

Crap. I don't have a clip I can post here.

HF Chameleon

[hazy steeple]

I always read HF as "have fun", because I'm a tech boomer.

[subtle bluff]

Same.

[pastel basin]

Somehow I have like 3 in my stash randomly, also omg, I was doing my spec missions for the blueprints and I somehow almost got a unicorn, it was a Habsburg bookbag with weapon handling and hsd but it was missing the vigilance 😔

I got it in a hard mission manning zoo

I also somehow got 2 exotics same mission

[pastel basin]

Hunters fury chameleon?

[hazy steeple]

Just a heads up, you don't need to use specific part names for things.
more people recognise if you just say "habsburg backpack" or "striker chest", even though both have proper names.

[subtle bluff]

Let me get someone to post the YouTube of it.

[hazy steeple]

oh and if you're going to use a crit focused Hunters Fury setup, throw Memento on as the backpack for solo.
damn that combo is nice.

[pastel basin]

Yeah hunters would offer more survivability, but wouldn’t strikers do more damage?

[urban latch]

https://youtu.be/2mPJ6m3m0Ws?si=CuXitJ4o6cXoqtpT

[pastel basin]

Or like, hear me out, strikers with this on it, and overdogs

Wait no getting a stacks is a pain

Ffffff

[subtle bluff]

This is the HF Chameleon video

[subtle bluff]

But then you're running striker chest.

[pastel basin]

Yeah that’s what I realized

Ima just do the strikers momento I think

Whenever I get the pieces lol

Should I do the cezka obliterate chestpiece or would there be something stronger?

[hazy steeple]

That's the best.
only use the Strikers chest if you can maintain the massive stacks, so mostly when enemies have Incursion sized health pools.

[subtle bluff]

The link that raucey posted. That's a fun build.

[pastel basin]

Chameleon is so fun and slept on tbh

[hazy steeple]

It's very popular amongst new players.

mostly because it looks like it's from the future.

[drowsy mica]

1000% agreed

[drowsy mica]

It looks so coolllllllll

[pastel basin]

Yeah, I remember getting it randomly on federal emergency bunker mission and immediately loving it 😊

It was my first main weapon

[hazy steeple]

If you want 50 more, run Bounties.
the named enemies in them have a very high chance to drop them, regardless of Targeted Loot.

Before they increased the Exo mats cap, it used to be a joke that people wouldn't pick them up, because so many.

[pastel basin]

Prodigy took me on a bounties run and he had a method where we kept on getting the same good tile sets and so many credits and exotics

I haven’t been able to recreate it alone, I have to ask him how he did it tbh

[drowsy mica]

I still remember my first Chameleon drop during summer of 2019

Got it at Camp White Oak

I need to make one of those heart locket gifs with the Chameleon in it lol

[pastel basin]

Alright it’s not that good either 😭

I need to do it with the backfire though

And model 700, only two weapons you need fr

[drowsy mica]

Chameleon might not be the most optimal weapon, but it's my baby and I love it very very much 👩‍🍼

My kid in 20 years or some shit: "Mom, why am I named Chameleon?"

I'm gonna get even more flak for it but I also adore the NinjaBike Backpack lmao

One of the first exotics I got in the series period

I was so happy to learn of its return when I was able to return to Div

It still didn’t beat a full classified striker set back then, but it was still cool

NBB is a staple of my Div 2 main builds though

[drowsy mica]

I'd name their sibling "NinjaBike Backpack" or something lmao

[unkempt knot]

Will ts do for Solo content?
Just want a plain Firearms build unaffected by season mods.
I'd share more but wanna deal with 1 build a day.

[drowsy mica]

I personally would replace that striker drone with a revival hive

[unkempt knot]

Did that on every other Firearms Build so I thought.
"Man I'm tired. gonna use something that'll force em out of cover without hassle."

[drowsy mica]

Fair

Also, maybe gunner for armor on kill

[worn elbow]

Using the same setup almost but I use 3 blue cores with 4 reds

[obtuse crystal]

thats a good solo build but i personally dont recommend bighorn as its not that powerful if you arent hitting the head of your target and not everything has a head to shoot and gunner for the armor on kill will probably do you better than firewall

[worn elbow]

@kind epoch you can post your build here so these good people help ya

[kind epoch]

is this visible? or do i need to convert to jpg?

shoot, looks like i need to convert lol

[worn elbow]

Ngl I’m on phone idk how to check that lol

[kind epoch]

no worries, my bad. i'll send it through as jpg in a couple

[obtuse crystal]

and also one more thing if youre using memento shield is very powerful as it comes default tier 2 with it and it will be tier 3 by your extra blue core

[drowsy mica]

Agreed

[obtuse crystal]

youll need to covert it its asking me to download it like that

[kind epoch]

does this work?

[worn elbow]

Alright mate you gonna go back farming in countdown

[drowsy mica]

Ditch the sniper and sniper specialization, only run a max of 4 striker pieces, and add a couple blue cores

[worn elbow]

You don’t need make all your slots striker you only need 4 pieces

[unkempt knot]

for Firewall: wanted regen SPECIALLY when I'm consistently taking Damage.
for WPN. I must ask you.
Is this Bad crit ratio? (St. Elmos. 43 CHC if High end.)

[obtuse crystal]

you dont need more than 4 pieces of a gearset i will forward a striker guide for you in just a second

[drowsy mica]

Good imo

[kind epoch]

what are blue cores?

[kind epoch]

and what's countdown?

[worn elbow]

Check this good fella striker set up there a lot of ways to build striker this one of them

[drowsy mica]

Armor major attributes on gear

[drowsy mica]

It's one of the gamemodes

[worn elbow]

Game mode that helps with farming

[obtuse crystal]

thats crit ratio is fine it will do better if you get 1 attribute from chd to chc

[unkempt knot]

Wait where's the 4th red coming from.
Oh right Memento.

[worn elbow]

@kind epoch this the striker you want high damage variant

[worn elbow]

Get your crit to over 50 that’s the sweet spot

[kind epoch]

i dont even think i have like half of these lol especially the gunner specialty. i know you get that on hard mode for that one mission req, i barely made it through on normal

[drowsy mica]

I along with many others here would probably be willing to help you through some of those difficult spots if you need it
#lfg-pc

[obtuse crystal]

any spec is fine until you get gunner the build will help you unlock the spec go farm countdown its a green circle icon in top right of your map while in dc you can target your loot to whatever you want matchmake for it on challenging difficulty

[kind epoch]

i'd appreciate it that because it's getting slightly boring on normal lol but im stuck in normal mode because i dont have the proper setup

[drowsy mica]

The main thing that you should change immediately is the sniper. Striker is for high rate of fire weapons

[drowsy mica]

All good!

[kind epoch]

ooo i've done countdown once. i got demolished LOOOL

[obtuse crystal]

matchmake for it the people you matchmake with will help you complete it

[drowsy mica]

Make sure you do it with matchmaking on challenging difficulty

[kind epoch]

recs for ARs then? or should i just equip two lmgs? I'm horrible with smg

[obtuse crystal]

use any high rof weapon you like for strikers lmg ar or smg

[kind epoch]

and also, i dont have to stick with striker. i was trying to utilize striker for crit chance and "" damage

[drowsy mica]

AR is great for striker. Police M4, St. Elmo's Engine, FAMAS 2010 are some good ones

I also love Chameleon but it operates more like an accurate SMG

But pretty much just what Summer said

[subtle bluff]

Any weapon with a rpm +790ish

[kind epoch]

may try emeline's guard. i know i was rocking that for a while before going sniper. i just switched on two lmgs. i'll give that a shot. i only have the famas 2010, i dont have any high rpm ARs

[drowsy mica]

*including the ACS12 as an outlier to this rule

[subtle bluff]

iirc acs12 is 300 rpm

[drowsy mica]

yeah, which is why it's like the sole outlier

[subtle bluff]

It's all the guide that posted above.

My leggo striker builds I don't use a Acs12

[drowsy mica]

I use it purely for stacks

[buoyant perch]

345 with striker buff

[drowsy mica]

I'm hyped for Unit Alloys and both of the named items from it

I've already prepped a slot for it on my two main builds

[unkempt knot]

Hmm, This is under the idea that 3 Blues slightly buffs Memento's Armor Regen & I'm using Crusader yes?
If I'm confident enough why not run 5R2B.

[obtuse crystal]

nah each blue core is a skill tier basically for shields

[kind epoch]

wait is it descent or summit? I just ran through descent and died very quickly, but didn't get to target loot

oooh wait... there's all 3...

nvm, i've never played countdown

im at 144/150 inventory slots, do i need to transfer some into stash before doing countdown?

[drowsy mica]

100%

I usually get around 70 items or so per run

And fyi, DONT shoot the flare up at the end until the time is at 15 seconds or less

And yeah, you can set your targeted loot for countdown
Really good way to farm things

[pastel basin]

Make sure each time you go into countdown, use named items and weapons so you get your expertise level up, also just delete those items if you think you’re not going to use them.

If you truly want to min max your runs

Got me to expertise 20 bellow shd 500

On 23 now 👀

[kind epoch]

that's what im attempting to do. i know my preferred weapon choices but im not familiar enough with the game to know what to keep and what to delete lolol

[pastel basin]

Uhhhh, then, uhhh

Idk, you’ll eventually know what you need over time

99% of the loot throw out of mark it as junk so you can donate for expertise

[kind epoch]

like for lmgs i've been using gr9 and big show. i suck with the rest of the lmgs

[pastel basin]

I mean honestly the way I play this game I just min max everything so I don’t have to do it later on, it’s insanely boring so honestly I suggest you just play how you want and have fun

[kind epoch]

im just trying to get out of normal mode LOL

[pastel basin]

I’ve been legit running countdown since the start of my account and 90% of what I do has just been countdown/looking for gear on builds that I’m barely going to use 😭

[pastel basin]

Are you shd 40 yet?

Tbf to get into hard or challenging you just need good game sense, not even necessarily good gear, challenging a bit better gear though

[kind epoch]

apparently im lvl200?

[pastel basin]

Ohhhhh

So yeah, just grind for this or the variation with strikers and you should have a build that’ll last you for every type of mission

You can genuinely run any weapons, but usually people do it with st Elmo’s, I just have the Lexington cause I always just hotswap both

Don’t listen to people out there telling you to use coyotes mask, overdogs is so much better

If you don’t have the overdogs, you can run it ig

And let me put you on something

[kind epoch]

i dont have either lolol

[pastel basin]

If you know how to run and gun really easily run the backfire, people say the bleeding kills you really easily but it’s just if you’re good enough or not at the end of the day to run it

It’s stupidly op

Also for whatever build you make, make sure your critical hit chance is always bellow 60%

[pastel basin]

Start farming priority objectives once you get the rest of the build, and you should get it quite fast

[kind epoch]

i almost dont use cover if i can help it

[pastel basin]

Run and gunning you have to, especially on a full red, at least some cover to where you can only see one enemy

Idk how to describe it

You have to do it in heroic, not so much cause you’ll shred through enemies. But in legendary 100%,

[kind epoch]

run, dodge, and shoot? LOL

[pastel basin]

Oh and @kind epoch no matter what you might do, don’t use any blues, unless you wanna run mainly solo content then look up a solo build, but for groups, they will legit want to remove their eyeballs if they see a “tank” in their team

It’s so annoying trying to do content fast and the rest of your team is shooting the enemies with BB guns

[pastel basin]

Brother, it’s more complicated than that trust.

[kind epoch]

i barely play pvp but i can see why. i dont use armor though, i spray as much as i can

[pastel basin]

Hey bubble, want me to help you leveling up?

I’ll also give you any gear I think you might need that drops

You can pretty much just watch a movie and then pick up the rewards after I’m done with each checkpoint I do.

Up to you @kind epoch

[kind epoch]

how much inventory space would i need

[kind epoch]

another night but im def down whenever you're online next. im gonna switch to a diff game soon

[pastel basin]

Bet

[pastel basin]

All of it, we will be getting a lot of caches and gear drops, legit your inventory will fill up in like 6 - 10 minutes

Idk the math but yeah

[kind epoch]

looks like i gotta discard more stuff lolol

but sounds good. appreciate it

[pastel basin]

Well whenever we run it. You’ll also be getting 7 levels each 2 - 3 minutes

@kind epoch Here's the build with striker chestpiece and one sec and i'll show you the one that's usually for other content (use this once you know the spawn rooms of each mission and also legendaries if you can keep up with it)

[subtle bluff]

BF isn't great to use in leggo due to range... Chest isn't good unless you're able to sit and shoot non-stop for a while.

There a reason in most solo leggo run no one uses BF for a good reason.

[pastel basin]

This is also good but less damage, also use a grupo chestpiece instead, or use st elmos or lexington you'll figure it out

[pastel basin]

that's why i said once you know spawn location, plus with zealot you can get your stacks without a care in the world.

[subtle bluff]

It's good on the range but it's usability in actually play in leggo isn't great. I can do it but nowhere to this level.

Even then.

Zealot is going away in a few weeks

[pastel basin]

I always maintain max stacks on legendary, sure it's easy asf to die for most people but if you're a true chad, youve got that fr

[pastel basin]

Even so, if you can’t, just make this build and beam from a range.

[kind epoch]

that's actually insane... 14mil damage?

[pastel basin]

Yeah, but use this one for more regular content

[pastel basin]

Green bean of death and despair 😭

[subtle bluff]

Not killer?

Or do you main Dark Winter with a side of Lex?

[pastel basin]

I just switch to lex for long range

But you’re Right honestly

I should switch it to killer either way

[pastel basin]

If you want to use backfire then switch to a grupo chestpiece since you’ll be going over the chc limit

[subtle bluff]

Having double killer isn't ideal.

[pastel basin]

👀 why?

[subtle bluff]

Why would you switch to your 2nd weapon normally for?

Should be my question before saying that. For me it is to finish off what I am shooting or I need more burst.

Rarely I am gonna say on my 2nd weapon.

[pastel basin]

One is just for long range and one is for short range.

[subtle bluff]

If you're different then nvm.

[pastel basin]

😭

[subtle bluff]

I like my Tac Vector 9mm w/killer more than Dark Winter.

[pastel basin]

I never really switch weapons unless if because I’m getting less damage because of optimal range or if I’m applying buffs like sledgehammer or septic shock

Honestly both weapons hit almost the exact same lolll

Do they? Am i going crazy?

[subtle bluff]

Dark Winter Base WD - 38,301
Lex Base WD - 48,699

[pastel basin]

Look at time to kill though with killer and rpm

[subtle bluff]

You have modifiers on

[pastel basin]

??? No?

I do not fw the Hollywood event thing, it’s so annoying

[amber crater]

I think he refers to the seasonal modifiers, you have Zealot as active modifier

[pastel basin]

Ohhh

[hallow arch]

Is ND still good?

[gentle lichen]

Always been

[hallow arch]

Nice nice

[strong cave]

Love going back and reading convos that took place here after I disappear for a while. Why is it so many people have their benchmarks at Heroic? Just because it's the "average" difficulty people play it? Any build can clear heroic... But not every build can clear Legendary within a reasonable time frame.

Additionally, div 2 isn't exactly the game meant for tanking lol or for "fun" builds. There's no proper aggro system since 99% of the time (outside of mosquito), the DPS players will pull aggro due to the damage they deal. Tanks are only good for being bullet sponges or standing in the way of others. Very very little tank support builds are good. Additionally, just because a build is fun, doesn't mean it's best for all content lmao. My decoy aegis build is fun and funny yet I wouldn't dare take it to Legendary content other than to be a total meme

[subtle bluff]

It was some funny ass talks

[strong cave]

I used to be that guy that screamed up and down "BUILD DIVERSITY!!!" Until Raucey tore me open a new one. PvP is now the only content I say that in bc Umbra/Bighorn Regen is just boring. PvE on the other hand, 99.99% of it requires some sort of damage just to clear

[worn elbow]

Fellas what talent for acc12 y’all use usually for building striker stacks?

[strong cave]

Any really. Fast Hands, Brazen, Strained, Optimist, Streamlined, take your pick

[subtle bluff]

RnR is BiS for building stack when stacking past 100 Stacks
ACS12 w/ Brazen is BiS for DPS
Lefty w/double RoF is BiS for quickest stacking (yes changing soon)

[strong cave]

Brazen is usually best in slot on shotguns for the talent. Majority use Lefty. Some do use Rock & Roll

[worn elbow]

Well stackbroker is here and mine has sledgehammer talent on it

[strong cave]

About goddamn time..

[strong cave]

Sledge is fine

[worn elbow]

BTW it has 11 damage to armor not 12

[subtle bluff]

Uh?

Where did you get yours?

[worn elbow]

In stash

[strong cave]

They likely didn't announce shit again, chow. The usual devs silence type thing

[subtle bluff]

I know....

[strong cave]

You can't increase it?

[worn elbow]

Dammit I wish I gotten the gold skin for it too got bronze and sliver

[worn elbow]

Idk I never took any shotgun attributes or talents cuz both rock and roll and lefty I have are all godroll

[strong cave]

Would explain why

[worn elbow]

So I can’t upgrade it

[strong cave]

Honestly just decon lefty now that broker is here

[worn elbow]

Both rpm and total damage are golden

[strong cave]

I'd strip the attribute off lefty tho

But yeah with the talents chow and I both said, it's all up to you. Depends what you're going for

[worn elbow]

Ye lefty era is completed it was a good gun

[strong cave]

My lefty is here to stay and so is my rock and roll. Stack Broker imo is just overkill for anything lower than 100 striker or HB stacks

Can't even decon it if you want to so it'll take up a space in my stash which I really don't need more shit in. Will eventually make it to moving off my old character's builds onto the new one 💀

[subtle bluff]

Support builds

[strong cave]

Imma be that guy just this once:

DIVERSITYYYYYYY

🤣🤣

Also chow, Stage Left? I know some support builds run Opportunistic but others don't. Stage Left will still work no?

[subtle bluff]

One sec. I have clip for you

[worn elbow]

Holy shite it shoots fast as hell

[scenic whale]

That is some meme tier RPM I know seasonals are on but you can easily replicate that next season with Salvo and strikers

[subtle bluff]

Forgot modifiers are on too with strikers

[scenic whale]

Ah a little over what we can recreate but eh still impressive

At least we can customize the talent I’ll be able to move it around my builds

[strong cave]

Modifiers are heavily carrying your RPM

Shoots fast I'll give it that. Will probably only use stack broker for raids/incursion

Can't wait to see heartbreaker builds take over conflict and DZ with this. Guess it's prime time for Anti-Pulse system corruption

The hype will die off in a week

[subtle bluff]

dunno

still what I am gonna do with it.

[strong cave]

I just don't see it worth taking outside of 200 striker stacks. Getting to 100 is dead easy. Might be worth it on heartbreaker just to get your bonus armor quicker

Even on a DPS build, lefty is still worth taking due to the fact you can provide more damage for you and the team (if anyone tries to correct this, don't bother, because the talent description is still wrong since they reverted their planned nerf back in Y6)

[buoyant perch]

Nah, 200 stacks takes 4s with one mag Rock&Roll

[gentle lichen]

whuh
it's still 40% amp?

i don't keep up with their bs anymore

[strong cave]

They were planning to make it to where using sledgehammer only benefits the one who proc'd it. The community recoiled hard and they reverted the change. They never changed the talent description tho

It's been that way for over a year now

It was I think Y6S3 they nerfed a bunch of shit and then went back and buffed reload speeds since they butchered them terribly

[subtle bluff]

TU23 they balance back the some of the reload but shotgun didn't get touched.

[strong cave]

Which is awful because reloading the ACS12 is abysmal. I don't use shotguns anymore due to the reload with one exception being my tinkerer Pummel + Brazen build

[scenic whale]

Funny enough I do actually use rock and roll in incursions wright encounter a decent ish bit, good for running around hip fire wiping 2-3 adds even if wright is on my ass

Stack broker might not even actually kill 1 💀

[analog mural]

ever since the rpm buff ive been using m249 on my strikers, who needs stacking when the lmg stacks for you

[scenic whale]

Pestilence my beloved

[analog mural]

frenzy + fast hands is bananas

[strong cave]

Who needs an LMG when Elmo's will have you stacked in a mag and a quarter lol

[scenic whale]

Yeah but I get to spread COVID

[analog mural]

bro its 2025, the outcasts put on hazpro on their builds

[strong cave]

Mask up, Agent. Traces of DC-52 were found

[scenic whale]

It’s ok I’ll care about that when their faction becomes relevant again. Only faction to take non stop Ls since I started playing

[strong cave]

Or they just sit in cover and wimper while bald headed Gerald embraces you for the hug

[scenic whale]

I cannot remember the last time they were a proper threat dog

[analog mural]

elite bombers spawning right next to u and go boom

at least on challenging thats a guaranteed death

[scenic whale]

If an elite one hits you yeah, if it’s not no burn kicks in and you’re bing chilling

I do like the elite ones tho they speed up the camping process

Pop one and the rest of them drop like flies from the flame DoT

[subtle bluff]

Someone in game what's the rpm with both normal and broker with strikers?

I hate doing rpm numbers

[scenic whale]

Is it just multiplicative to base or does it do it weird

[subtle bluff]

tbh idk.. i've always been confused about it

Why I am asking

[scenic whale]

assuming it’s “straight forward” it’s 345 vs 414

If strikers is additive to brokers bonus it’s more like 405 but nothing too drastically different

[analog mural]

strikers + broker + seasonal modifier

[scenic whale]

Does it require seasonal to hit that high? Strikers and Brokers are 15 and 20 respectively aren’t they

[analog mural]

no i mean the modifiers and strikers makes it go nuts ngl

[scenic whale]

Ah yeah 65% goes hard

[subtle bluff]

Hence the clip above

[scenic whale]

I just have no clue if it’s additive or multiplicative. Regardless for realistic testing purposes it won’t matter too much post seasonal ending (9 RPM diff lmao)

If you play Salvo next season best you can do is like 48%

[subtle bluff]

To note.

[scenic whale]

I’ll be back soonish I’ll be able to pop open my game and check, unless you double checked in game already

[subtle bluff]

I already did it.

[scenic whale]

Ah so it’s multiplicative

[subtle bluff]

hence the 💯 on you

I'm hencing a lot.. I need to sleep

[gentle lichen]

i made it :3

[scenic whale]

The burst damage going even with ACS Brazen is wild lmao, it really is just the exact same

Sucks on sustain but

[subtle bluff]

It's hurting me..

Ya reloading acs12 is asssssss

[scenic whale]

Not like you need sustain, one and done same burst slightly faster time and more stacks

Time to embrace the lefty at home memes

[somber yarrow]

is a good build?

[wraith zealot]

is no good build

[scenic whale]

Isn’t that the PFE build on the guide

[wraith zealot]

not exactly right?

[buoyant perch]

Good. Backpack should be ceska though. Chest is ok if you only use shotgun but ceska-groupo chest-backpack is more versatile as they can benefit both weapons

[somber yarrow]

i dont know but it has pfe

[wraith zealot]

might as well get it to t if you gonna run pfe builds.

[somber yarrow]

can i have two adrenaline rush? is a fantastic talent

[strong cave]

The actual fk is that

[buoyant perch]

Nah it's a good build

[strong cave]

There's definitely better options for PfE than this

This is just bullet sponge with crit slapped on it

Most PFE builds are 2 piece golan for the Regen so you're not popping kits every 5 seconds

@subtle bluff

[buoyant perch]

You don't need regen, that's what the mask for

[strong cave]

Catharsis isn't gonna save you much. The build has zero innate Regen , it's all crit. That Regen attribute on catharsis won't keep you alive and definitely standing in the cloud isn't 100% viable either

[somber yarrow]

yeah, for the mask do i need to change incoming repairs?

[scenic whale]

Straight from the guide

I also shouldn’t send that considering it has my email address 💀

[strong cave]

I saw, but notice the Belstone backpack... Belstone gives 1% regen

[somber yarrow]

nobody saw your email david no worries, i change the backpack to matador

[strong cave]

He's using walker and badger

[somber yarrow]

and is not mine i copy from another guy

[strong cave]

ZERO Regen besides maybe 2x 4k Regen stats

Yeah the other guy is an idiot not having any Regen

Badger + Belstone is fine, or 2 piece Golan is fine. Status will help Scorpio from Golan and you'll gain 1.5% Regen, which is better than Belstone. You lose out on shotgun damage

But matador + badger isn't the way to go

[buoyant perch]

Skill issue. I can hard carry lego tidal and zoo boss stage with 3 people dead on the ground with that build.

[strong cave]

Clips or didn't happen

[somber yarrow]

oh and he uses streamline talent for the lexington

[strong cave]

Not awful but assuming they're not using any skills to get that damage?

[buoyant perch]

Just ask @onyx sage and he can vouch for me

[somber yarrow]

no, same skills as i

[strong cave]

I still will stand and die on the hill that having 2 Golan or 1 Belstone is more beneficial than Badger + Matador

You'll want the Regen otherwise you're wasting kits and forcing yourself to stand in catharsis clouds

[buoyant perch]

It's nothing even that hard/ fancy like full red glass cannon carry. You can just turn your brain off and run around.

[strong cave]

I'll take your word for it, but having zero Regen on a pfe build designed to try and crowd control and aggro is a horrible idea

[buoyant perch]

The mask is regen...

[strong cave]

Only standing in the cloud and only up to 4k/s

Assuming that other blue on his chest is Regen that makes for a whopping 8k Regen and if and only if you stand in the catharsis cloud. Which means you have to stand there and hope you Regen back up as you gain bonus armor back

[buoyant perch]

There's nothing wrong with the build, the healing cloud is sufficient

[somber yarrow]

do i need to change something in my mask?

[buoyant perch]

It heals your shield too

[scenic whale]

theres nothing wrong with tryna fish for a ceska or Belstone backpack tho no, rn it's just Walker which is kinda eh

[somber yarrow]

and from the guy i copy the build

[hoary sage]

With 80 pfe, master mission is already too easy, legend need abit aware of red and purple enemies, other than that, elite only do chip damage and anderline rush can cover all that

[somber yarrow]

yeah i only have 76

[buoyant perch]

At 76% pfe, you take 20% more damage than 80%

[astral kraken]

It's not bad but you won't be able to use it in like 98% of the content in the game. There are some things you can do to give it some more damage but in the end it's just worth spending the materials if you have other builds you want to focus on.

If that's your build then I'd suggest keeping it in your loadouts for the rare cases when you have PFE.

[strong cave]

Thoughts on having no Belstone or 2 piece golan for Regen?

Bc you can't rely on catharsis all the time

[gentle lichen]

you can trigger multiple clouds with cath and a shield

[somber yarrow]

clouds? oxi?

[grand girder]

catharsis cloud

[strong cave]

And when you're forced to move out of it half dead?

[astral kraken]

Adrush gives you a sort of regen. Yea catharsis is next to useless the majority of the time. The only case I've ever actually used catharsis was to survive the poison control room of legendary tidal boss.

[gentle lichen]

pop a kit ig

[strong cave]

Adrush is like Regen for sure. But on the guys build he has matador and badger. Both for damage and obviously perfect ad rush is good. But on a bullet sponge build would be better for Regen no? So you're not hoping for catharsis or kit pop

[astral kraken]

These are all better variants IMO.

[gentle lichen]

i use unbreakable anyway lol if im not doing damage why not double dip on that shit

[grand girder]

personally I run glass cannon on blue builds because I love being stupid

[astral kraken]

Yep you're 100% right. PFE builds without regen struggle a lot more. It's safe to say that regen is mandatory but it really depends on what you're fighting.

Like if it's the H5 Refinery mission boss you don't really need regen. It's just one dude who'll never kill you anyway. You'll never kill him either though

[strong cave]

That's exactly my point thank you 💯 in most cases for these builds, especially high diff content, you NEED the Regen

[astral kraken]

I learned that the hard way trying to use striker PFE in tidal boss room. Even at 75% PFE you eventually just run out of armor.

[strong cave]

Especially as taro said, they used one similar to keep a team of 4 alive and 3 were dead. Im betting if they didn't have Regen, they had to play hard for the catharsis clouds

Or constantly pop kits

[astral kraken]

"brb dont die, need medkits"

[strong cave]

If you're burning thru kits and have to play clouds, there's a giant issue with the build and that is zero regen. What good is being a bullet sponge if you can't stay alive to take bullets?

[astral kraken]

i wish the pfe cap was 60%

[strong cave]

Not hating the fact it's a PFE build, simply hating the fact somebody told this poor soul that Badger + Matador is a great combo and they fell for it. Zero Regen is a death sentence

[subtle bluff]

why... did you at me for me to see that..

🤢

[strong cave]

Figured you'd cringe too

[subtle bluff]

It better than others.

TBH it's a playstyle that needs to be ran to make it ok

[strong cave]

The build isn't awful, it's similar to one in the spreadsheet. The brand combos is what makes it questionable

[subtle bluff]

Idk what in the gearsheet even

[strong cave]

The spreadsheet shows Belstone and I think badger. Which Belstone gives Regen. Catharsis as well for obvious reasons

The builds from other users we saw was 2 piece golan, which helps Scorpio and gives more Regen than 1 PC Belstone. .5% tho but still, any % helps. Same with statuses. Trying to go damage on a non-damage build is pointless. May as well go full survivability to ensure you're not wasting kits or relying on a mask to keep you alive

[subtle bluff]

Once I finish my EP support builds in my guide Idk if I'm gonna do HW or Support tank afterwards.

[strong cave]

My support tank consists of foundry with Regen, tardigrade, and Belstone mask with HSD + Regen. Bulwark shield, artificer hive, mosquito pistol

Mosquito does quite a bit for headshot damage, people tend to sleep on it

[subtle bluff]

There's a few ways to do it. That's not one of them.. Support tanks is really a lot more of about the playstyle.

[strong cave]

I barely ever run it since most groups I tend to matchmake with are usually DPS. If a group is that bad I'll just Nego everything

[subtle bluff]

If I have exo I'm fine.

[somber yarrow]

couldnt get any better.. so to resume, is anything you would like to change in my build?

the chest for perfect intimidate?

[subtle bluff]

Normal Intimidate so you can have a brandset bonus that works better for the buid.

[somber yarrow]

so no changes?

[subtle bluff]

Idk the context.

Unless you're gonna use the brandset correctly with it all.

[strong cave]

Change matador to Belstone. Keep ad rush talent that's fine

1% armor Regen at max blues is beneficial. The chest piece is fine

[strong cave]

If you can get hunter killer with crits and a second Golan bag, that helps with Scorpio status and gives a bit more Regen

[somber yarrow]

ok, thanks for the help chat

[buoyant perch]

You can also use backfire btw

[gentle lichen]

isn't status from scorpio based on pellets hit not status rolls

[strong cave]

Backfire would be fine in this context

[strong cave]

Coulda swore both played a factor. I could be wrong in this scenario

[subtle bluff]

ugh how do I math ramping stacks...

I hate it..

[strong cave]

Okay so the status attributes does not apply to Scorpio, you're right on that. I redact my 2 piece golan advice for instead just 1 piece Belstone

I was confusing Scorpios ability to work with EP spread as well as the amplified damage the EP backpack gives

[onyx sage]

i don't even know who you are...

jk he's real

[astral kraken]

I've done this too (except for zoo - going tank in zoo boss room is a sin). Without regen you're just making it harder for yourself for no reason.

[worn imp]

Q: Can urban lookout actually work for fire skill builds/sniping hybrid?

[solar prairie]

Was it Achilles pulse that I should not upgrade the exeprties level or was it scanner pulse?

[onyx sage]

scanner

[solar prairie]

What was the reason for this again?

[onyx sage]

it would last too long and achilles marks don't show properly on targets that were already pulsed

[solar prairie]

Got it, thank you!

[onyx sage]

it affects any scenario where you use scanner and achilles in short succession together

[solar prairie]

Thanks, Agent!

[buoyant perch]

I don't need extra regen to survive, I even use one red and firewall class for extra damage. Carthasis is enough. I also rarely used the build now,. moving toward full red with influence from @onyx sage .

[astral kraken]

sure but the goal is to help your team, not just survive

[buoyant perch]

that's the extra damage for 💀

[astral kraken]

the way you need to move and position w/o regen creates more downtime

well if the goal is more damage then just go red

which i guess you said you're doing so that's good

[buoyant perch]

which I do

[silent storm]

How does Refactor and Smart Cover interact? Does your boosted damage count as skill damage for healing?

[onyx sage]

no

[silent storm]

At the end of a mission damage done while in Smart Cover will boost Skill Damage stat

[onyx sage]

smart cover just adds dttooc to your damage from your weapon, and you only deal weapon damage, refactor doesn't work

i mean there's just other things that might make that number go up like negotiator, but refactor doesn't work with smart cover like that

[silent storm]

What are we thinking the best gearset for Smark Cover is? Hard Wired?

Maybe Smart Cover and Hive on FI?

[shy willow]

The only set it has direct synergy with is measured assembly

[honest moss]

What is the go to talent for the stack broker given it is best for stacking? Do i even consider brazen ect or just throw one whatever? Mine came with sledge. Maybe if i want sledge i reroll the dtooc for fire rate?

Typically i use either lefty or a regular acs w brazen. Depending on the build.

[buoyant perch]

purely for stacking? fast hand

[honest moss]

Ty ty

[onyx sage]

if on crit build* but most people are using crit anyways so yeah

[rich cosmos]

Im freeeee

[gentle lichen]

I was about to tell you lol
I still feel it's not that much i dunno

[rich cosmos]

15 skill eff and not 20% feels really cheap like why that specifically

It not working with teammates was a bug right? Im pretty sure it was

[cerulean smelt]

lol
Other
Reduced Companion VO chatter.

[gentle lichen]

Was it in the fix log?

[cerulean smelt]

salvo might be stashed?
Unit Alloys - Brand Set
Salvo: 8% ROF → 5% ROF

[sullen island]

I'm having a really rough time on heroic open world, or any solo content. Following build guides as lined out in the spreadsheet and Youtubers, your typical striker, heartbreaker, etc, but I only have about 350 SHD, very little expertise/proficiency (low on mats to level up my armor anymore than 3-4) I get downed constantly. I've swapped to a couple more tanky builds with a couple more armor cores and PFE and do a little better, but control points end up taking 5-10 minutes.

Is this just a matter of get gud scrub? Do I just step down to challenging?

[rich cosmos]

Ill check

[cerulean smelt]

just know each armor core you take in = less damage you do in general

[gentle lichen]

Because 120% chd is insane to think about

[rich cosmos]

Huh

[cerulean smelt]

btw:most don't even upgrade gear because you're only upping the white numbers on all your gears

[grand girder]

well it can be many things, depending on your gear rolls/what pieces you are using, it could just be a build issue. if these are semi okay then you're most likely playing far to aggressively than your build can support. granted you are missing out of those SHD watch benefits but these aren't make or break if you have a decent build put together

[sullen island]

I dunno man. These NPCs are shooting with laser beams across the open world map. I may just not be playing aggressively enough to keep stacks up on the stacking builds. Or my expectations are too high on the tankier builds

[grand girder]

tank = bullet sponge with little dmg (long ttk) striker = high dps but barely any survivability so its kill before you get killed, Depending on your aim skill you're gonna probably want to look at a hybrid memento build

[sullen island]

That's what I was most "successful" with

[cerulean smelt]

if you got technican fully unlocked. a heartbreaker build might help you?

[grand girder]

there are also talents you could run for example if you are gonna run striker, the chestplate is kinda dogshit open world because unless you are constantly stacking with an acs12 you're not gonna maintain those stacks in an efficient way so you'd be better off using either a ceska or grupo chestplate with obliterate (or unbreakable if you want to get your armor back) or you can run a backpack with bloodsucker which gives bonus armor on kill

[cerulean smelt]

don't forget Exodus gloves if they happen to have it. gives you a 2nd life basically if you don't engage after it's talent goes off

[vivid axle]

BP or aces hmm. chest should be overlord with idk HH i guess but i dont have one that isnt chc/d

[cerulean smelt]

oh but it's probably still bugged when the talent goes off so weapon swapping to make sure you get 100% armor regen

[astral kraken]

Watch the improve yourself series by iKia. A lot of this stuff you'll just learn over time as you take on harder and harder content. A lot of us learned like this (the hard way). The guides just skip some of that so you can start off stronger.

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxSovilaTag
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kSQFkz93Wg
Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlWNAxzDWuY

If you're already running a good build the advice we give will just be minor improvements. At that point it just comes down to game knowledge and experience (which the videos will help with).

Also watch Raucey's guide on the health gate. Very important to stay alive:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QptCP8jmF9g

[upper fog]

Build question for little pvp build backpack set up vigilance or versatile??

[gentle lichen]

What's the build
Besides only vigi is used between those 3

[upper fog]

Did 5.11 tactical 2 pieces gila guard 2 pieces catharsis mask with one pice uzina the talents are unbreakable and vigilance Lmg and smg/shotgun

I can change chest piece out for 3 piece gila guard with over watch talent

[vivid axle]

big horn guy

[upper fog]

Oh all armor regen and crit chance for attributes

[gentle lichen]

A picture would be appreciated

[upper fog]

Big horn I’m so used LMG the 42 round feel like I do more reload than kill or maybe it’s a aim skill thing 😭😭

[upper fog]

Bet

[gentle lichen]

Well this is all over the place
We're using bighorn right?

[upper fog]

Nope lmg && back up shotgun or smg

Imma try big horn

[gentle lichen]

Well for an iron lung you gotta use contractor's as well as 3 lengmo

And ceska+coyote

Unbreakable ad rush

[upper fog]

U gotta blue dps build👀

[cerulean smelt]

lengmo drops with armor cores on it as it is

[astral kraken]

no such thing

[grand girder]

damage per sometimes

[gentle lichen]

Pvp wise?

[upper fog]

Yea

[gentle lichen]

This is due for a replacement on the W&H glove to unit alloy glove but rn it packs damage like crazy

Also use a quickstep this was taken before the pistol dropped

[strong cave]

anti-fun build spotted

sniff the wall for 5 seconds, step away, damage. wash rinse repeat

[gentle lichen]

Mmmm fresh paint

[strong cave]

mmmmmm not playing PVP to save my sanity

sniffing walls and running around corners to pop kits and full rush is exhausted. bring back high end builds 💔

[gentle lichen]

You mean this high end

[strong cave]

not as anti-fun, but still anti-fun :( poke fingers around corner, dont take any damage because your fingers are the size of 1 pixel on screen

[gentle lichen]

Dude the amount of times a nemesis broke my hand off is crazy
They got better

[strong cave]

not taking hazpro is definitely ballsy

[strong cave]

yeah nemesis is sorta the same way but you can easily counter nemi snipers. just dont peek or try to bait

[gentle lichen]

I don't leave home without it :3

[astral kraken]

drip pls

[gentle lichen]

Lion gear + eclipse mask

[strong cave]

I hate they butchered the neck portioning on characters due to the hoodie change

[strong cave]

bro name your loadouts... 💀

[grand girder]

aye bro what you running? "golf"

[gentle lichen]

I never understood that tbh i mostly look at the build itself not the name lol
It only makes sense in conflict and i only use 2 builds 😭

[quartz ermine]

pistol builds that can deal dmg like a sniper, how can I not love this game

[strong cave]

what makes it worse is you stick your hand out just slightly around a corner and youre able to see clearly around the corner. cant even be hit

yet if it was in first person, all youd see is shield : wall

[magic pilot]

Ehhh don't think more rof is worth on umbra

[strong cave]

it would also add more AR damage. id personally ditch picaros for unit alloy, not walker

[static ermine]

is there a way to get the harvest rn?

[strong cave]

stretch goals

[urban latch]

@broken edge

[broken edge]

what in tarnation

[strong cave]

what the hell happened here?

[cosmic wing]

Left handing with reg 🥰

[strong cave]

I dont think I wanna know... 😭

[silent storm]

Survivalist or Technician for Future Initiative build?

[solar sable]

depends

[silent storm]

How's the Stack Broker rank in use?

Saw a video saying it has unlimited range that still the case?>

[subtle bluff]

It just goes faster.

Quicker burst of course but less dmg at end.

[silent storm]

Here's what I ended up with. Is Dttooc native on this as well, and what talent we putting on it for FI build?

[solar sable]

sledge is good for support builds

btw aren't you supposed to be using FI chest?

[silent storm]

it was on a different toon because I use to use the chest I have on and BTSU, but now I have The Setup so haven't switched it yet

How we looking here?

[strong cave]

I run tech with a blue core setup backpack. if you can get setup to roll haste/repair skills to change to blue, run survivalist

unless you like the 1 blue core and the faraday talent tech gives. I run mine as tech for that reason

[subtle bluff]

He's also missing 4pc FI....

Everything for FI support is in the guide I posted.

[silent storm]

There we go updated and ready to rock, now to get into some Legendary missions

[subtle bluff]

Missing a weapon

and....

[lost wren]

asking here this time, what talent should i run for stock broker?
fast hands? brazen? or something else?

[subtle bluff]

Um.. no

@hazy steeple

@pearl atlas

[subtle bluff]

Fast Hands doesn't really do much vs just throwing on RnR

Brazen if anything.

[cerulean smelt]

damn you're a gangster. just straight up telling them no and sicking the mods on them (> <)

[lost wren]

rnr?

[cerulean smelt]

Rock & Roll

[subtle bluff]

Bots can burn.

[lost wren]

ah

[silent storm]

Stack Broker and Lexington/Elmo Striker the new game?

[cerulean smelt]

btw: you can use brazen and only be like a few 1,000's short damage wise on the stack broker compared to R&R and Lefty

[lost wren]

lefty, rock n roll, or just a regular acs with brazen
which should i use for stacking?

[subtle bluff]

I posted the DPS chart

[cerulean smelt]

when i do play my striker build i don't use any acs for stacking

[subtle bluff]

Same. Only in incursion normally.

or boss fights or last section of tidal on the turrets

[lost wren]

seems to be between stack broker and normal acs

if i'm reading it correctly
i'll use stack broker ig

[subtle bluff]

That's to be expected

[rustic rose]

hey everyone, im a noob that just started the game and just reached lvl40. do you know what i should watch to know how to max my gear?

[silent storm]

So Stack Broker doesn't get more DMG than ACS? Why is it yellow then?

[subtle bluff]

Go to the Pinned Messages > Gearsheet > Build Hub > Lvl 40 farm guide.

[rustic rose]

thank you very much, appreciate it 👍🏻

[subtle bluff]

Because it changed.

[cerulean smelt]

the thing with stack broker is, it's got a higher rate of fire but they also lowered the base damage of it

[subtle bluff]

Dang I wanted to see if he could figure it out.

[cerulean smelt]

my bad

[silent storm]

I don't have an ACS to compare too

But the DMG is yellow so I figured it was higher

[subtle bluff]

You and assuming things again.

[silent storm]

I just go by the colors

[subtle bluff]

Even when I posted something with the numbers

[silent storm]

yeah and I read it

[subtle bluff]

Again assuming.

[silent storm]

But that doesn't change the fact that the DMG is yellow in game and that means it's different

[fiery gust]

Yea, lower. 😂

[subtle bluff]

I need my spinning kirby.

[silent storm]

#td2-build-advice message

[subtle bluff]

You know you can just reply to your any post to share easier..

[silent storm]

I replied with my post to him

[subtle bluff]

I only have this on hand and I'm gonna do this.

[fiery gust]

Probably off topic by now, but I'd swap this to Technician and never swap back. Never being disrupted is a really strong perk. I'd also equip a Scorpio just because it's amazing for CC.

[silent storm]

I have the Scorpio I just didn't equip it before I took the SS

[fiery gust]

O gotcha. Yea, that's usually a staple of any standard healer build just because. My specialization point still stands, though. XD

[silent storm]

39% DMG to targets is huge and so far I have only linked up with Blue Core Strikers that can't even kill the opening of DUA lol

Even with T6 Smart Cover giving bonus armor and hive keeping them topped up

[zinc canyon]

What’s a good set up for the shield that lets you use your main guns?

And what class

[silent storm]

Almost makes me want to go back to just being DPS because relying on other to do it is sad

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Message > Gearsheet > Build Hub
Ton of good info.

[subtle bluff]

There are no "classes" in this game

[zinc canyon]

I mean specialisation

Like gunner and striker etc

[silent storm]

Depends lol. I think there is DPS, Healer and Sponge. Because I don't know if Tank actually exists because once you start going as DPS all agro is on you

[subtle bluff]

Those works.

[subtle bluff]

Those are Roles.

[silent storm]

Classes and Roles are interchangable

[subtle bluff]

Idk what you're talking about

your confusing things again.

[silent storm]

I think you are because Classes have Roles so to a native speaker they would mean the same thing

[subtle bluff]

Roles: Is a character functions in a group
Classes: Is a character capabilities to themselves

Like I'm pretty sure there not a synonym to each other.

Getting off topic. I don't really care what you're gonna go on about it all. You're again try to remake something to you're belief.

[silent storm]

Definition doesn't change the fact that Class and Role can lead to the same thing. This game doesn't have defined Classes, but if you are 6 red you are DPS. DPS would be an implied Class.

And your Role would be doing damage

[solar sable]

Off. Topic.

[hazy steeple]

Okay everyone, time to drop it now.

[silent storm]

ok

[strong cave]

Let's drop some builds instead 💯 somebody give me a highly questionable one that you find fun

[subtle bluff]

I still need to make a showcase for the 6 skill tier support "tank"

[strong cave]

I'll be waiting for it

[broken edge]

Shield and achilles with regulus?

[worn imp]

Is strikers gamble an amp?

[meager fog]

Yes

[worn imp]

If i wanted the best DPS setup for Tempest, wouldnt that be ninjabike + 3P Striker + 2P imminence?

[meager fog]

Ninjabike is not best for anything

[worn imp]

bro read the idea i have

dont just scoff at it cause ninjabike is mentioned pls

[subtle bluff]

I said “Tank”!

[meager fog]

Already read it, it mentions ninja bike.

Ninja bike is a direct nerf to ALL PvE builds

[worn imp]

agreed, except for maybe this one

[meager fog]

By using Ninja bike you're already losing a 25% Damage amp

[subtle bluff]

What does NBB bring for your build that something else can’t?

[meager fog]

Strikers BP gives additional AMP per stack

[worn imp]

60% imminence pistol damage AND 4 pc strikers

[meager fog]

You're missing out on a big amp from using Strikers BP

It's inherently stronger.

[subtle bluff]

It’s the playstyle to keep it up that’s effort

[worn imp]

is +30% damage for an amp better than +65% weapon damage from imminence using ninja

[meager fog]

lol yes.

[subtle bluff]

But memento could make up the 3pc IA

[meager fog]

One is pistol damage, the other is a muiltiplicative amp

[worn imp]

memento isnt an amp either tho so by that logic it would not be worth running memento either?

[subtle bluff]

Memento and Intim Chest is a lot of dmg.

[meager fog]

You alreayd have weapon damage, awd and swd on your build. Adding more is not going to take that number higher than a 30% amp

[subtle bluff]

Here’s the question why are waning to use a car door

[worn imp]

card? wat u mean

[meager fog]

Memento has additional benefits outside of the WD

[worn imp]

yes but for pure DPS it doesnt have amps, right?

[meager fog]

If you were going for Pure DPS you'd want Strikers BP and GC chest

[worn imp]

gc?

[subtle bluff]

Car door

[meager fog]

Glass Cannon

[worn imp]

okay i can sacrifice 5% damage so im either always running obliderate or intimidate

[worn imp]

is this a meme cause i dont get xD

[subtle bluff]

The big sheild that I can't spell

[meager fog]

Bulwark? lol

[worn imp]

ye i use that

[meager fog]

His question was WHY do you use it

[subtle bluff]

Circling back.
What's the purpose of making the build. Is it so you can use the Bulwark shield

[worn imp]

that and tempest yeah

[meager fog]

If you're wanting to use the Bulwark shield just use regulus lol

[worn imp]

I enjoy automatic pistols

[subtle bluff]

That's one of my rebubbleds.

[worn imp]

regulus is for some readon not my thing

[meager fog]

This is the first automatic pistol in the game.....and it's not even very good

[subtle bluff]

Tech Tank is just better is another.. But if you want to use Tempest for the meme's get at it.

[worn imp]

who f u ck i n g cares hahahah

i think its fun

[strong cave]

Death

[meager fog]

The only reason it's being used by alot atm is because of the current exploit I have left alot of Legendary missions for

[worn imp]

which is cringe, yeah

[meager fog]

And that's great, you have your answer though. Ninhabike brings nothing to that build. You'd be better with Strikers or Memento Backpack.

[subtle bluff]

This is a tech tank on a not correct build.

[worn imp]

[meager fog]

If you use Strikers BP, go Oblit or GC.

If ytou use Memento, go intimidate

[subtle bluff]

Menento brings a bigger shield, bonus armor and more dmg.
Intimidate bring the amp.
then you can do w/e with the rest.

[worn imp]

i did this yea

[broken edge]

I did have a tempest build made

Need to check the logs for it, but mobile at the moment

#td2-build-advice message

It was this

[hexed steppe]

how's my Hollywood build?

-# these boom booms bring all the npcs to the yard

[hazy steeple]

And they're like: "local, please use something else".

That would've been funnier if I had checked if that had a Mortar on it.

[hexed steppe]

mm into leg as we speak

[agile citrus]

your barking up a tree at a cloud. Im not being mean, 90% of the responce youll get from dorky will be based on "more dmg equals fun" over all else.

the short of all that jargon, is every amp you use, "glass cannon, damage out of cover, overdogs, strega, hunters fury" will take all your dmg, such as striker, memento, hb, red cores, and then multiple into them.

the tldr is: if your set is complete add amp. foxs prayer, dtooc on weapon, overdogs etc

glass cannon is an amp for chest. it will add a 25%/30% x to your dmg, but... youll take 50%/60% more dmg. additionaly, many of the biggest dmg in the game are tied to set bonus chests, so this isnt quite as worth, specially if this game isnt a focus. it requires desire to be good at not getting hit, I for one cant be half arsed

[silent storm]

Any reason to keep this?

[silent storm]

Glass Cannon isn't that bad if you learn how to utilize cover

I use Glass and PGC on a couple builds and I don't die so much anymore because I know where to take cover. Honestly I feel like using it made me better

[hexed steppe]

there is a misconception that without glass you have high survivability... on higher levels it really doesnt matter what you have on... if you are dps and take hits youll die just as fast with oblit

[silent storm]

And also not kill as fast

[agile citrus]

I do not have this experience. you die in 3 bullets with gc, I can move cover without cover to cover without.

gc isnt a skill issue, its a game style I dislike

deeply.

[hexed steppe]

i mean, it is a skill issue, regardless of how you name it

[silent storm]

to each their own I guess

[hexed steppe]

but its also not a set in stone talent you have to use

[silent storm]

I like Glass

[hexed steppe]

once used to running glass all the time it really isnt a factor

one just looks at all other options as self nerf

[silent storm]

yeah you just get used to being exposed and know where the cover is

But even without glass you will die to two bomber drones

[agile citrus]

my big thing is, youll likely never notice the difference in ttk. if you cant notice it.. why bother

I dont mind if people use it, I just dont and dont advice

[silent storm]

No, Glass kills much faster

[hexed steppe]

you should run nego... youll definitely notice

basically my dps in a nutshell, legs included...

[silent storm]

I mean at 6 red core you are already going to die if you get hit, so may as well do as much damage as possible

[hexed steppe]

^^ has built in cc and stagger options, on top of delivering top tier damage

get emp sticky, ditch the drone

[silent storm]

I am liking Measured over Killer

[hexed steppe]

it is better for teams

i dont even use lex on that setup. its purely there if i run out of ammo

[silent storm]

I had Banshee there but put the drone on for open world

[hexed steppe]

drone aggros stuff before your ready to engage sometimes..

[silent storm]

Because I run 4 directives and Heroic

[hexed steppe]

them just seeing it

[silent storm]

yeah that doesn't matter to me in open world

Just like to get armor back running from place to place

[hexed steppe]

maybe hive should be the emp sticky then

being able to proc bluescreen on demand is kinda huge

[silent storm]

Naa because when I get a bounty sometimes I still get snuck

[hexed steppe]

skill issue

[silent storm]

yup

so I use reviver

[hexed steppe]

tellin you tho, drone is holding you back,

[silent storm]

hey man sometimes it's hard when you don't have pulse or map

[hexed steppe]

could be doing great things with that emp sticky

[silent storm]

Sometimes you'll be fighting a scenerio and a patrol just rolls up on you

With no GPS it's hard to see it

[hexed steppe]

imagine being able to stagger everything you tagged on top of the group that shows up unannounced

emp sticky can do that, drone cant

[silent storm]

I use pulse in missions and drone open world

and only drone after I go down

[hexed steppe]

yeah both are meh - hell nah range in my book\

[silent storm]

because of the Cool Skills

[analog mural]

chat are we fr

[hexed steppe]

even more reason to drop the revive

[silent storm]

naa I like having a do-over on bounties

[hexed steppe]

with cool skills your revive is not operational unless you are wasting your other skill

[gloomy spruce]

Cool skills makes reviver hive useless

[silent storm]

well I don't use skills unless I go down

once I go down I get back upwith reviver and then my drone gives me armor

[gloomy spruce]

With cool skills, your reviver is almost always on cooldown. Its pointless.

[silent storm]

No because I don't use skills unless I go down

[gloomy spruce]

That means they are also not helping you until it is too late

Hence why you are more likely to go down.

[silent storm]

well yeah it's a do over skill

then once I go down I depoly the drone and continue on

[hexed steppe]

i could see drone as a hive replacement to make room for emp sticky, since both a low cooldown and you can circumvent a lot of the coolskills downside

like being able to emp both the murauders at the end of roosevelt leg every 4-5 sec is kinda nuts

wont be doing that with a drone tho

[gloomy spruce]

I just personally hate cool skills. It is just a plain player nerf that offers no real change in player strategy or benefit. Almost every other directive has a plus side. (the other exceptions being Fog of War Revisited and Ammo Hoarders)

[silent storm]

I don't do missions with drone

[hexed steppe]

wont be doing that with pulse*

better

[silent storm]

I mean things die fast enough with the build I don't need more pulse

[hexed steppe]

dont need pulse

[silent storm]

Murauders are the big ass drones right?>

[gloomy spruce]

Yep

[hexed steppe]

yeah

[silent storm]

Never really had problems wit hthem

[gloomy spruce]

They have the rockets that can nearly kill you as well.

[hexed steppe]

hard for them to shoot back when constantly disrupted

[silent storm]

Bluescreen seems to do ok in that scenerio

[hexed steppe]

the mechanic is good in any environment.

[gloomy spruce]

If your rhythm is off, then you and your crew are dead, tho.

[analog mural]

i dont think directives buff you in any way...

[hexed steppe]

the point of the emp sticky is to manipulate the status from bluescreen more effectively

[gloomy spruce]

Pistolero, lets you get ammo with every pistol kill.

[silent storm]

but robs you of all ammo

[gloomy spruce]

Scavenged skills can often let you get your skills back faster with npc kills by a group

Hard to earn lets you get armor kids and specialization ammo together

[gloomy spruce]

Initially, but get pistol kills and you can get lots of ammo quick

[analog mural]

i dont want to start the fight with 0 primary ammo... on a strikers build

[hexed steppe]

an OD teamate negates a lot of pistolero

[subtle bluff]

Other than the skills pretty what I run and what's I am using in DUA leggo clip where I clear out the first section super quick.

[silent storm]

There is no Scavenge Skills

[gloomy spruce]

My point is that like the first game with underground, these directives offer benefits and penalties together. They are more balanced.

[silent storm]

No Regen, Fog of War, Cool Skills and Special Ammo is what I run

[gloomy spruce]

It is a directive in Summit. It was tried in the overworld for a while, but they went back to cool skills which I despise with a passion.

[hexed steppe]

what skills you run? 😎

[subtle bluff]

EMP Sticky, Decoy

[analog mural]

but honestly its just more exp at the cost of ur gameplay being miserable

[hexed steppe]

nice

[silent storm]

It's not really miserable though

[analog mural]

having to use a pistol at a start of a fight is miserable

using one skill and causing another to go on cd is miserable

[gloomy spruce]

In this game, yes. Personally, I don't really think directives are worth it. Because some are just straight player nerfs.

What pistol are you using? For me it is an orbit or a mozambique special.

[analog mural]

tdi card custom for the extra skill tier lol

[silent storm]

well yeah that is why I don't activate that one

[scenic whale]

Anyone got a load out for a comfy-ish build that still does some damage, friend wants to transition from tech to gun but doesn’t wanna all in red quite yet (memento wouldn’t be ideal for him since he’s focused on support rather than kills)

[hexed steppe]

quickstep baby, they cant catch me

[analog mural]

support while dealing damage? easily refractor

[scenic whale]

I should have clarified he still wants to transition to an actual gun build sooner or later mb lmao

[analog mural]

you still need to shoot ur gun so ur skill deals more damage

[scenic whale]

So think like strikers with some blue cores type beat

[silent storm]

all of them are player nerfs for the benefit of more EXP

[analog mural]

no striker blue is out of the question

[hexed steppe]

ongoing directive is a good weapon damage support setup

[scenic whale]

That’ll probably work

Slap him on an OD build with a shield and call it a day

[analog mural]

overdose build 😎

[gloomy spruce]

Again, not all of them. A number of them are. EXP is not as important now compared to season xp, gear, or components.

[scenic whale]

Oh yeah there was that blue core OD support on the guide

I’ll take a gander at that

[silent storm]

What one isn't a nerf?

[scenic whale]

Thanks local

[hexed steppe]

yw

whats you friend been using previous?

[gloomy spruce]

Pistolero and hard to earn

[scenic whale]

MA with hive drone

[silent storm]

Pistolero literally removes all you ammo except pistol and you don't think that is a nerf?

[gloomy spruce]

You get back lots of ammo with pistol kills. If you play it properly, you will never run out of ammo.

[scenic whale]

I mean you can boot up the game, leave your character on gunner go make coffee and be full ammo. But you also have Tempest and QStep which are both still omega stonks side arm

[gloomy spruce]

Use the gunner, and you are very well set.

[hexed steppe]

let them know if they want to feel like a skill god, use mortar supremacy 😎
ik they looking to transition, but we also have 16 loadouts per alt for a reason

[scenic whale]

People use QStep to move around but shoot it a bit it’s actually potent enough to do full retake with

[scenic whale]

My man cooked the most cursed skill build I’ve seen so far, it works well enough so i can’t get on his case. He recently did MA drone hive since we’ve been getting into Paradise Lost and MA hard counters Lovebirds

[hexed steppe]

nice

[scenic whale]

I’m almost certain it’s worse than your thing but he kills things and I don’t see him die so good enough 💀

[hexed steppe]

always worth cooking a bit

[scenic whale]

He runs 3p Hana 2P brazure (re rolled) and black listers. I think he runs combined and GC

[gloomy spruce]

@hexed steppe your cursed anti-determined build is a work of art

[scenic whale]

It works, and it does damage but it just looks immensely scuffed

[hexed steppe]

why, thank you sir

[agile citrus]

no you dont. this is a you thing. I dont die if I "get" hit. its a skill issue alright

I have shown repeatedly with clip in all red, playing reckless is fine

[hazy steeple]

You mean with cover-to-cover moves you're fine, yeah?

[gloomy spruce]

@agile citrus An interesting name change. Did something happen?

[subtle bluff]

What tech was he running?

[agile citrus]

sigh... Im not doing this. I can prove over and over and it doesnt change anything. to me fighting behind cover is boring. it feels like wasting t ime. its irriating and I refuse.

[hazy steeple]

Cover-to-cover moves reduce damage taken, and IIRC how often you get hit at all.
It's a thing we recommend to all newbies to learn ASAP.

[agile citrus]

I like fighting in my enemys face. thats all. I cant be bothered to wait behind cover for 9 years.

[agile citrus]

I agree. good for nubz.

[hazy steeple]

That's not what I meant.

It's an important building block for any Agent. You can always tell when someone didn't learn it vs one who did.

[agile citrus]

Im sure. I find it usefull in soilo lego. I find it semi useful in group lego.

[hazy steeple]

No one's saying that you need to glue yourself to cover and take potshots from a mile away, but using it to advance is just smart play when you don't have some other way to negate the damage.

[agile citrus]

Im confused. Im literally agreeing with you

Im saying I personally do not use it consistently in my everyday gameplay. I rely on shield and dmg

and demo, riot foam etc. I perfer that playstyle.

[hazy steeple]

That's fine, but saying that it doesn't do anything is misinformation.

[agile citrus]

I definitly did not say not to use it

please stop tryuing to frame this. you said this. this is after I said I dont die in all red. I did not say or infer cover is useless, unreliable or bad

I said I dont use it

[hazy steeple]

Enough with the "gotcha" images, it's weird.

[agile citrus]

stop trying to frame me as a bad player. stop trying to get me to react. its weird

[hazy steeple]

I'm not trying to "frame" you as a bad player, I'm correcting bad info you are putting out.
which is what "build advice" as a channel is for.

Advice for builds.

[agile citrus]

you literally said that I use cover to cover. if I use that, Ill tell you. assuming it is weird

[gloomy spruce]

So on the topic of builds. What is the Stack Broker's unique aspect?

[agile citrus]

rof

[wraith zealot]

dope ass skin.

that's it really.

[hexed steppe]

dmg/rof ig

[broken edge]

20% rof up, -20% damage

[hexed steppe]

is it less damage 👀

[broken edge]

so it does build it fast stacks, it's slighty awkward as weapon

[gloomy spruce]

So it is great with the lexington for further cementing Striker Supremecy! Excellent!!!!!

I am not being sarcastic actually, Striker is a great early path to power as well as pushing eager players upwards into harder content. It is everything that I ever wanted for the playerbase since year one.

[wraith zealot]

what about... blue striker? 👀

[gentle lichen]

can you please sign my petition to make stack broker skin apply to all variants of the acs

[wraith zealot]

then that stockbroker gonna gather dust for me hahaha

[gloomy spruce]

If you all want a great example of bad build advice, I present you the official Ubisoft Vid on how to prep for Dark Hours from 2019.

https://youtu.be/b0_wN6qWtKc?si=mBvBWQXCznzD4t8J

It is a true classic.

[wraith zealot]

things were different back then, cant judge them for it.

[gloomy spruce]

That is an understatement

As for making a judgement, that vid is exactly why Striker needed to become a standard-bearer build again.

[hazy steeple]

Striker wasn't in div2 in 2019.

So striker being a standard wasn't on a lot of minds.

[gloomy spruce]

That was a major part of the problem. Back then builds were all over the place.

There was no clear path to power and it divided a large portion of the playerbase.

The vid basically said the equivelent of "just hit gear score 515 and you can handle the raid"

[hazy steeple]

Not exactly a controversial statement, but there not being one "perfect" build that everyone needs is a good thing, we need more of that now.

[gloomy spruce]

We have lots of it now. There is nego, OD, sniper builds, skill builds and other options.

Striker is just a really good gear up quick option so you can get better gear quicker and experience more of the endgame faster.

[hazy steeple]

That is why I said "more" of it.

[gloomy spruce]

You want more easy gear up options?

[hazy steeple]

"i want more build variety" is apparently a controversial statement today, I guess.

What I want most is the variety to actually be suggested to newbies, and not just throwing the word Striker at them.

and yeah, nerfing the hell out of Striker would help.

[gloomy spruce]

It wouldn't. We've experienced the game with weak or no striker. It was difficult to gear up new players and often they quit before they ever experienced the raids or other difficult content.

[agile citrus]

Striker is the best set for new players. its very easy to use, it makes content accessable for low watch.

everyone should branch out, but its a good starter and a must loadout longterm

[broken edge]

problem is striker is also the strongest

[subtle bluff]

or balance things else to get closer to strikers

Even then that too much work.

[gloomy spruce]

I understood that ND and OD are stronger.

[broken edge]

lmao no

ND can be more useful for mob fights

but harder content like raids striker still works better

OD works in short bursts ahtat is most PVE fights

[agile citrus]

the biggest issue is player hubris. people cant use something that isnt the best. despite striker being about 30% better than other dmg sets, the game doesnt require that level of output

[broken edge]

horrible for long and tanky

[hazy steeple]

Buffing everything else to be as strong as Strikers is going to create its own issue, and the devs do realise this, they've spoken quite a lot about power-creep, and what to do about it in the future.

[broken edge]

not saying kneecap striker

just knock down a peg

i mean the striker mess started because hearbreaker became striker 2.0

[agile citrus]

div is play your own way. you choosae the diffculty. if people are bored, or cant stop using striekr, its their choice

[gloomy spruce]

Again, we've experienced the game with weak to no striker. There has to be a baseline and it has to be somewhat easy to achieve. Otherwise the playerbase dies by attrition.

[hazy steeple]

I didn't reply to that the first time for a reason.

[broken edge]

it used to be glass cannon, fox prayer, shield classic M1A

[agile citrus]

its relatively simple. just make a player rule, no striker builds in this group

[broken edge]

people used that to clear raid before striker buff

[hazy steeple]

I'm honestly very excited for when they do change everything up.
It'll take work to get it properly balanced of course, but div2's not going anywhere.
That or they just do it for 3, and 2 can keep its OP stuff as a museum.

[agile citrus]

other games have made similar things. playerbase choices, limits

[subtle bluff]

Kind of wished they didn't they kept the buff to 1.25 for HB for TU22 PTS

Bleh English

[gloomy spruce]

Yes, I remember that. It also took over a month to gear up a new player back then.

[hazy steeple]

I poke fun, but your English is honestly excellent.
I guarantee you can speak it better than I can.

[broken edge]

but thats due lack of farming spots or because lack of an clear OP build?

i'm not saying people wont find a way

[gloomy spruce]

There is also that little fact that often getting a backpack and chest with the talents and attribute rolls to align well along with the other 4 pieces was frustrating to say the least.

Hexotic is a time consuming process to create.

[hazy steeple]

Before Targeted Loot was added, and before the loot locations, farming for builds took bloody ages.
There's a few folks around here who can still recall the lengths we used to go to in order to get godrolls.

[broken edge]

targetted loot already existed on WONY no?

[gloomy spruce]

I was one of them.

[hazy steeple]

Was added with Summit, IIRC.

definitely not around with WONY.'s launch.

[broken edge]

okay might have mixed something up

with targetted loot i meant place A will have X brand or Y weapon type

[gloomy spruce]

It did, but it was still frustrating for a number of reasons. First was the non existence of weighted rolls.

[hazy steeple]

Oh that's a base yeah, I meant pickable.

[gloomy spruce]

Second was again the non existence of optimization.

Third was just probability with high end gear.

[broken edge]

https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/game/the-division/the-division-2/news-updates/6uOlQXZAsGfBJQNG7T811Q/target-specific-loot-in-title-update-6

okay yeah it's older than WONY by at least 6 months

[gloomy spruce]

At least one attribute on high end gear has to roll properly and then with backpacks and chests, you need 2 out of 3. That made chests and backpacks an often 1 month process by themselves.

[broken edge]

i honestly dont remember taking that much for anything

like one or two day to get a really good piece

not counting exotics

[hazy steeple]

Yeah it being a thing and it being useful was a fairly big difference.
Although I will say, that I was off div2 for a lengthy amount of time between post-WT5 launch, and WONY's release date.

[gloomy spruce]

It did. If you had a job and only a few hours to farm a day, it could take a month or so. Covid made a lot of people able to play all day during WONY's release.

[broken edge]

i'm talking post WONY just because it's the same system we have now for attirbutes

[gloomy spruce]

Weighted attributes helped a lot.

[hazy steeple]

WONY I was back in on launch, I have the queue screenshot to prove it lol

[broken edge]

well i was in university during that time so i guess that does affect my perception a bit

[gloomy spruce]

I remember those times, because back then I was part of an active clan that tried to get people geared up to raid.

It was a process.

[broken edge]

well a lot of it has been seeing people going "if it isnt better than striker then devs have wasted their time and any new content and gear is meanigless" constantly

[hazy steeple]

People will generally gravitate to the meta in a game, at least the majority of people will.
My issue with it all is mostly that the people who know all the details of stuff, also suggest it as a short answer.
Once a thing in a game becomes the default, it's hard to break that away.

[wraith zealot]

striker does give you immediate result for the time you put into it, its pretty hard to mess up striker build, and yet, some still do anyway.

Personally, if i were asked what the best build to run on heroic stuffs, i'd tell people to run any 1 shot build, but that requires a lot more time to get right than striker.

[kind epoch]

i still do LOLOL

[wraith zealot]

it's okay to mess up, whats needed is to acknowledge that when you start wondering "huh, why does my build struggle in legendary?" and then you started asking question on how to fix it.

[kind epoch]

oh... you guys are talking about legendary. nvm. im nowhere close to that realm

[wraith zealot]

it's just an example, people sometimes ask why they are struggling in challenging too. The reason striker is the default answer to "How do i move on from hard/challenging to heroic" is because, like i said, it's pretty hard to mess that build up.

hopefully, after some time, agents started to learn on why things the way they are, and started branching out from striker to other builds.

[broken edge]

Well im also not saying that the reason of why virtuoso is bad is because striker exists and stole its spotlight

[subtle bluff]

Well the issue that virtuoso was good for the season modifiers it was released with since we could track out range to make it worth while with the modifier.

[wraith zealot]

ngl i was using virtuoso for good 100 level on my journey to shd 1000.

[astral kraken]

wow i forgot virtuoso exists lol

[wraith zealot]

sick backpack ngl.

i love the aesthetic of that set overall.

[astral kraken]

has anyone tried a determined 1886 with it?

w chainkiller

[gloomy spruce]

Its meh

Hexotic or hotshot with 1886 is better.

HHF is better

[astral kraken]

ok i guess ill forget about it again

[gloomy spruce]

The problem with Virtuoso is what I complained about when it was released. Versatile, which is the archetype for it, is a lousy talent. The talent is very unforgiving and trying to make it work is often an exercise in frustration tolerance.

As for the debate on Striker, next season the new brandset and named holster will make AR Hexotic an even more viable option.

The new named holster, combined with a high end crit focused build will likely beat striker simply because there will be almost no ramp up in damage. It will often clear certain fights faster simply because it won't need stacks.

Hexotic's weakness will still stand out as needing time and patience to farm and assemble each perfect piece.

Hexotic using PGC and GC with Vigi does consistent high damage with no ramp up time. Striker gets high damage, but you've got to get the stacks. PGC/GC with Vigi hits its high damage point faster.

[wraith zealot]

you think so? even with the recent pre release nerf they got from 8% rof to 5%?

i like running HE sometimes, my favorite go to is pesti HE.

[gloomy spruce]

Some of the fastest zoo runs, that I have watched are from people who ran striker with a sacrifice and gift.

The combo of the 2 is just so broken, but it requires a more careful style of play.

[wraith zealot]

i was referring to this when i wrote that message.

[gloomy spruce]

I know. The thing is that the brandset also grants a considerable ROF bonus on the first piece.

So it is a drop of 13% to 10% instead of just 8% to 5%.

[wraith zealot]

cant wait to be able to deal more burst dps tbh 😄

[gloomy spruce]

I wonder if anyone has tried the holster out with a set like Umbra...

[gloomy spruce]

We are all looking forward to it 🙂

[magic pilot]

Not really worth it imo

Although usually you have ninja so you also get 20% AR dmg