td2-build-advice

[buoyant perch]

2.1 x 1.25 (vigilance) = 2.625 HB vs 2.8 striker so it's only 6.7% less

[agile citrus]

I should clarify, hb SET vs striker set

[buoyant perch]

that's my math is about

[pastel crane]

Uh-huh.

Anyone else wanna answer

[stark flicker]

Is the mop a good secondary in a high end build?

[agile citrus]

I should clarify. Imo it's becasue the weapon is a side arm that has an effect that has a niche use. basically to proc tempest, you need to purposely get your shield destroyed. which might have been viable in theory but you cant remove or reduce shield break concussion effect. which means you have to eat and then you get a 3 shot pistol with bonus dmg for a bit

using this with tinkerer is kinda ok cuz you cant have main or secondary exo. but just my opinion

[stark flicker]

Tempest is extremely strong even without a talent

[pastel crane]

sighs I'm not using it for the talent. I'm using it as itself. As part of a pistol build

[subtle bluff]

sorry what....? It's not strong by any means.

[stark flicker]

For a pistol it sure is

[agile citrus]

I guess

[subtle bluff]

If you want to do something different tempest is that. Good otherwise not really.

[agile citrus]

I mean its stronger than its not exo

[subtle bluff]

Pistol wise One Shotting is better.

[agile citrus]

when work is over Im rolling some missions with this

[stark flicker]

If you want smth to swap to in a pinch tempest is alright but pistols are generally a utility slot unless you go full into pistol you'd be better off with a kard or quickstep

Wrong reply

[subtle bluff]

Orbit is better backup for the buff it does...

Tempest is again something if you want to do something different have at it with it. By no means it does good DPS.

[stark flicker]

Orbit is p killer right?

[subtle bluff]

P. Finisher

[stark flicker]

Ye the one that gives chc/d on swap

[subtle bluff]

yup

[stark flicker]

I meant finisher I just couldn't remember the name

[hazy steeple]

Easy way to remember: it's called "finisher", because now you're finished with it, and will only use Quickstep.

[agile citrus]

The reason why tempest is just a terrible weapon. Is because even with 100% has pro, you can't remove shield disorient. The only reason pistol builds are viable, because they lack a lot of stats and range, is because they work in tandem with the ballistic shield. This one cannot do this. In addition to that, because you have to eat the shield days before you can even use it, this means that a regular non-exotic 93R with optimist or something, is as strong as it but can use a shield with it

[hazy steeple]

I'm not saying Tempest is bad, I'm just saying that Quickstep's benefit outweighs any other pistol, outside of the Regulus.

[agile citrus]

But if you wanted to, you would just use a regulus build. It would give you a lot of bonus damage to pistol and headshot. Which is what pistols are good for

If I did make this set, I would run obliterate. Cuz that's better for 93r

[agile citrus]

I think finisher has a use. That use being, making a build for high crit chance alongside crit damage. Examples of this would be any normal rifle AR or really anything besides an SMG

I usually use it alongside a killer Lexington

[hazy steeple]

I hate to be "that agent", but is there a reason to use it over, say, a good high-end gun?

Does it actually increase the DPS, or is it a "for fun" thing, which is totally valid of course, but the question needs to be asked.

[rich cosmos]

Gear set descriptions are finally out for chest and bp

[hazy steeple]

full notes: https://ubi.li/y7s3-pts-patchnotes

[magic pilot]

Just updated my sheet, set is not DOA as far as dmg goes

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1u1PbDkTVcV7sqJj2mT1v3gRFbZLT2ipPMBrENoof1ts/edit?usp=drivesdk

[agile citrus]

The answer is yes and no. So the big issue, is it's a effect. The 93R, with say optimist or killer or measured, will do as much damage as the tempest in its base form. This means that it locks you out of using an EXO on your main or secondary for no DPS gain. However in the off chance, that you don't have a main or secondary exo, and you do happen to lose your shield... Technically it is one of the most powerful pistols in the game. The problem is that the daze That's inflicted by shield break is unique. You cannot get rid of it or nullify it or shorten it. This means that you're going to take a hit, and it would be better just to run Liberty regulus busy be anything else

This is why it runs well with tinker. Because you may as well have something in case you're shield breaks

[hazy steeple]

I ain't reading that, but I believe you.

[magic pilot]

TL:DR its the best pistol to have if your shield breaks, otherwise it just sucks

[agile citrus]

Good pistol for crusader shield. Bad for ballistic, which is for pistol builds

[magic pilot]

Pairs well with tinkerer since you can't use an exotic primary

[hazy steeple]

@agile citrus You should hire dien to do your tl;dr's
I heard he's very reasonable for rates.

[stark flicker]

I don't understand why you can't resist the shield daze bc that in of itself isn't strong enough for the average build to stack haz pro and just further punishes the already really weak tank builds

[onyx sage]

i get paid in exposure

[spiral mango]

Bonjour. S'il vous plaît est-ce que c'est possible m'indiquer où je peux trouver où chercher le shotgun nommé stock broker

[cloud laurel]

Quickstep is extremely strong, nothing is stronger than quickstep

[rich cosmos]

I don’t think the damage is the issue, I just think the set has potentially bad synergy with teammates

[magic pilot]

"Hello. Could you please tell me where I can find or search for the shotgun called Stock Broker?"

[magic pilot]

It's not out yet

[stark flicker]

Ce serveur est uniquement en anglais.

[hazy steeple]

I too get the urge to use shotguns on stock brokers.

[magic pilot]

Oh definitely

Damage before backpack was known wasn't good enough to use over striker, now it just depends on uptime

[hazy steeple]

The only problem with quickstep, is that I keep hearing "Hotstepper" in my head whenever someone says the name.

[stark flicker]

Il n'est pas encore sorti et vous l'obtenez via le programme de parrainage

[magic pilot]

I thought it was gonna be a veteran reward?

[spiral mango]

Merci beaucoup Emma c'est encore une chose comme des freinage de LMG

[stark flicker]

Is it I thought it was the new referral gun

[hazy steeple]

@spiral mango Sorry, english only on the server, thanks

[magic pilot]

LMGs brakes?

Not sure what the last part means

[spiral mango]

Il faut changer serveur c'est pas pour c'est pas pour des en anglais

Et moi j'ai pas besoin de savoir parler anglais

[magic pilot]

Just dm me or @stark flicker

If that's ok with them.

[spiral mango]

Thank you very much

[hazy steeple]

It's either that or speak english on here, it's a hard rule we have to follow.

[stark flicker]

I can send you the french server

[hazy steeple]

That sounds like a threat.

[stark flicker]

Lol

[magic pilot]

Me and the French don't get along after playing Dayz for so long

[agile citrus]

The daze from the shield isn't the same daze in the rest of the game. Think of it as a global cooldown, how nothing can change or affect a global cooldown. Nothing can change your effect the shield explosion debuff. It only looks the same, and has the same icon

[stark flicker]

Ik I just don't understand the design choice for the aforementioned reasons

[agile citrus]

I'm going to be honest. It's probably a PVP thing

Before I join the game, there was some big Nerf to the way Shields worked in PvP. Making them really really weak, and it probably has something to do with that

[stark flicker]

So just have it active in pvp they can do pvp only stuff without affecting pve like with overcharge

[shy willow]

Every time they try it breaks something so

[magic pilot]

They tried to do that with diminishing statuses, but we got that in PvE too

Was only supposed to be pvp

[stark flicker]

All hail the spaghetti code

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwdgtATGDMbJYAMSXLajiBc0AcDZ4pgBOTc9NLAFmSkIWuopaoDZx64VRZLXUWCJy7x+41lnyiBEykNyxmwZMCgR40NmBDbxWObIOyKOY4aoXUQA improvements on the build the 2pc improv and forge are actually the 2 named items from the new set plus an unstoppable force backpack of the new set

[magic pilot]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/OwWgTCDMIIziAGRympehAuSAOe04IYBODMtVTAFiQgPiqvOcoDZQ7ZkZhoKWUmMB05x+4lkKYxo9CfIxCc0aUhgQwSSKxDBS4zAqOGB8zKxNHEl00A

[stark flicker]

Ty I actually alr have a fox

[heady marten]

backfire memento is good right?

[stark flicker]

It's workable

[cloud laurel]

Even without memento backfire is still workable or it’s depend on the user

[versed summit]

it's best for long fights

[subtle bluff]

where you're fighting constantly

[cloud laurel]

Even Forge, your shield still took too much damage, the only pistols that repair your shield is libety. Any build with tempest are fun to play with but not up for leggo.

[magic pilot]

Forge is the new holster, builder isn't updated

[stark flicker]

2pc improv plus forge are placeholders it's actually 3pc new set including the new named holster (8% rof) and named chest (p obliterate)

[cloud laurel]

That is the holster that give 50% to shield health?

[stark flicker]

The build tool doesn't have the new set

[stark flicker]

.

[cloud laurel]

That 8% ROF surely sound nice…

[stark flicker]

Esp bc the 1pc is 5% rof

So 13% rof from 1 item

[cloud laurel]

But isn’t centurions better tho?

[subtle bluff]

I saw Forge mention. It's bad.

[calm tree]

What are these knee pads everyone keeps talking about

[stark flicker]

Forge is being used as a placeholder for the new named holster

[subtle bluff]

oh.. We'll have it updated by today hopefully.

[magic pilot]

Ehhh yes and no

[stark flicker]

@subtle bluff

[subtle bluff]

I don't wanna click on urls atm.

why can't you make them on Buildstation.app and share SS send the pic D=

You can also save your builds on buildstation

[stark flicker]

yeah just a sec while I remake it

[magic pilot]

3 unit, overdogs, fox and ceska

@subtle bluff

[subtle bluff]

uh?

I sould really sleep.. I haven't done it yet..

[heady marten]

what else do i use it with, ik 4 strikers but what chest or whatever

[cloud laurel]

Why no and yes? Emma said to used 2 pcs for 13% rof right? Centurion last 12 sec and with dmg boost as well

[magic pilot]

Striker chest usually when I run it

[subtle bluff]

OH HE build with all the stuff.

[magic pilot]

Overdogs exists

[subtle bluff]

PTS Lincoln here I come to test it!

oh wait that's tomorrow boo

[magic pilot]

1 pc is 5% rof, 2pc is 20% AR dmg. The named holster has 8% rof

[stark flicker]

yeah but I wanna use overdogs

[subtle bluff]

Sleep option is looking better now..

[cloud laurel]

I’m overdog exist but what build using 2 pcs for 13% rof since mostly 4 pcs of striker and 2 other mix

[stark flicker]

here's the build with the placeholder stuff

the stats got cut off

[subtle bluff]

You can go to share tab. easier SS

[cloud laurel]

Ohh HE build.. my bad I’ll stop then since HE are trash to me

[subtle bluff]

OH right placeholders

[magic pilot]

High end

[cloud laurel]

Belstone chest with CHC CHD and obliterate

[subtle bluff]

Idk about that BP...

NICE! There we go!

[stark flicker]

the bp will be u force bc I don't play careful enough for vigi to have significant uptime

[subtle bluff]

I'll test tomorrow but with Vigilance and a shield

[stark flicker]

honestly glad they finally made an offensive set with fitting perfect talents

[heady marten]

if i see lexington one more time i might explode

[magic pilot]

Skill issue

[stark flicker]

lex has the highest base damage of any ar

[subtle bluff]

I'm gonna use a M4 becauseee I'm avg

[stark flicker]

afaik it's bis unless you're running tink

[heady marten]

im gonna use an m4 because its all i have

we are not the same

[subtle bluff]

Even tho I have like 4 of them...

The amount isn't huge

[magic pilot]

I have one with swap speed

[stark flicker]

hope you get lucky during stretch goals

[heady marten]

Your kindness is appreciated

[magic pilot]

I killed a lexington for fun

[subtle bluff]

I'm gonna save a bunch of caches this time around.

[magic pilot]

It will forever have preservation

[heady marten]

im gonna go make a hazpro backfire memento build now for no reason

[stark flicker]

ngl I'm hoping for oreo from this stretch goal bc I don't wanna run the incursion

[magic pilot]

Chow is right here

[agile citrus]

Lol dien knows the numbers, I know what it looks like in game. But prob would be better @hazy steeple 🤣

[magic pilot]

Now she's gonna get pissed great

[agile citrus]

I noticed no one answered this. I actually did try, to integrate this into heartbreaker. What I found, was that it's fire rate without fire rate boosters doesn't play well with stacks. I also found that it's head tap, due to really short range isn't really good for headhunter, and it's usually good for a set that doesn't rely on its secondary for anything. That way you can pop it out get a bunch of armor back, and then put it away and forget it

The short version, has bad fire rate for stacks, low damage for starting headhunter and range, but is good for regening armor

[stark flicker]

"high end build"

[agile citrus]

Same answer. It could work on a nostack, but mostly just armor regen

If you're going to run a no stack, you get better mileage out of an ACS 12 with dtooc and pers

The only use I found for it, was on my chungus build. Because the chungus build suffers from pretty bad armor problems. The minigun sucks. And chungus true son throws down his missile launcher when his backpack explodes and takes up a shotgun

[silent storm]

Here we go, moving up in the world. What other optimizations would there be?

[stark flicker]

why are you running glass cannon with refactor

[silent storm]

30% Amp

[stark flicker]

it entirely negates all the bulk refactor gives tho

[magic pilot]

I'd swap bp for Wyvern

[magic pilot]

Nah it's worth

[silent storm]

yeeeehaaaaa.. now I need a Wyvern Wear with Combined Arms lol

[stark flicker]

worth optimizing?

[gentle lichen]

hell nah

[stark flicker]

is the chd really that low bc I have max chc in my library

[gentle lichen]

optimise wise that'll eat up your resources REAL quick

[stark flicker]

does ceska have blueprints?

[gentle lichen]

not the bag

[stark flicker]

I'm trying for a mask

[gentle lichen]

oh you have a mask i think it has one

yurp

[stark flicker]

this is what I'm building (with placeholders)

[gentle lichen]

forge? i'd rather a brand that does something and an attribute

[stark flicker]

placeholder

it'll actually be 3pc unit

[gentle lichen]

i just noticed the improv too nvm

[stark flicker]

chow is working on updating the tool to have unit stuff

the only reason I didn't do improv holster is bc the improv holster has a mod slot

is surge used in any builds?

I got this wicked nice roll

[magic pilot]

Not really

[gloomy spruce]

For many skill builds, the go to is often the Capacitor, Test Subject or something with in-sync

[silent storm]

Surge is good but try Harmony

[stark flicker]

I'm not actively farming for a skill build I just figured I'd see if surge gets use bc of the crazy roll I got

[silent storm]

The problem with Surge is it's HS centric and only 25% DMG where Harmony is just hit something and it's 40% DMG

[cloud laurel]

I thought it requires both skill and weapons dmg together for the buff to activate?

[rich cosmos]

Whats the talents of the two? Is it literally just hit enemy get damage?

I don’t remember harmonys talent

[hazy steeple]

@rich cosmos Surge has Spike, Harmony has insync.

[rich cosmos]

I just went and checked the wiki

Tbf, surge has like, the minor benefit of not needing to hit the enemy with the skill which means you can use different skills than drones and stuff, the problem is that the damage isn’t really good enough for that justification

[silent storm]

In Sync activates on skill deploy as well

[cloud laurel]

capacitor, in term of skill dmg is still better than other

[silent storm]

That's why I run Capacitor and Harmony. So when I run out of ammo on AR I swap to Rifle and have a decent back up

[dreamy valve]

I’ve found my regular Kard pistol a lot more effective for a chd/chc pistol build. I made the wrong decision to get Tempest to lvl 30

3pc imminence, 1pc DH, and overdogs, vigilance and obliterate

Hitting up to 2.8 million on head crit this season with it. Demolishes everything at high accuracy, I had 4 blue cores at the time.

I’m gunna get the pistol to lvl 30 and trying to hit 3 million damage on it

In heroic solo, completely destroys named elites in half a clip or less

I’ve found the pistol to be very usable at AR range while having a bulwark shield protecting you. Main drawback of this pistol? You can’t use quickstep without having to switch to it

[rich cosmos]

Guess the devs HATE the lvoa then

Thats the only explanation for the sheer downgrading of it in this game

Only good lvoas being police m4 reskins

[dreamy valve]

Also, you really don’t want to have your 5-6 tier bulwark shield break at all in the first place, just to proc Tempest ability. I feel better that I didn’t grind Summit for it that’s for sure, but I did regret dumping exo components into it now.

[broken edge]

I use it for very agressive shield builds

Tempest does have a really high raw damage

[silent storm]

Why's that?

[rich cosmos]

The fact that it just seems like they are intentionally ignoring it

[silent storm]

I like the LVOA-C. Put Rifleman on it and blast away

[rich cosmos]

Horrible handling, out performed by tons of rifles, all top performing lvoas are not the actual lvoa, and the fact that Im pretty sure it got nerfed

[gentle lichen]

is classic m1a still my goat

[rich cosmos]

Also pretty sure it doesn’t even have a single unique skin yet

And no exotic, and its only named variant is a skill talent

Like it just screams the hated child of guns

[silent storm]

Isn't St. Elmo an LVOA?

[broken edge]

M4 using a lvoac skin

Well i would say that the idea of a 30 round rifle is bad

Its category meant to be hard hitting, low damage very hogh rof but not enough to be a regular full auto AR backfires

[silent storm]

An LVOA is just an M4 varient though

[broken edge]

Im just using in game categorization

Not real life shenanigans

With that i mean the stats of elmo is of the police M4

[dreamy valve]

I’ll have another go at Tempest this weekend, but I feel the Kriss Kard just outstrips it in almost every way. The one thing that made me drop it was the long reload time tbh. I felt every time I went to reload, one of my teammates usually finishes off an enemy I was focusing on.

[silent storm]

Use a 7.62 or greater Rifle then

Actually I guess the game breaks the Rifles up into Marksman and AR lowers

[broken edge]

We have 7.62 ARs, Rifles and MMRs

[silent storm]

1886 being the exception with a tubular mag

[silent storm]

For the Rifles though the high DMG ones use the Marksman mags

[dreamy valve]

Ravenous my beloved

[rich cosmos]

Both elmo and lexington are police m4s

All i want is the actual lvoa to get more love from the devs

Even just an exotic, doesn’t even have to be good

[silent storm]

I mean so many things are M4s

[rich cosmos]

Okay but its not

Yea in real life its just another ar15 but this isn’t real life

[silent storm]

But it's based off of a real gun

[rich cosmos]

The majority weapons deserve at least one exotic

Each weapon deserves to be unique

[silent storm]

Merciless

[rich cosmos]

A massive exception

Merciless isn’t even comparable to anything else

[silent storm]

So fun to use though

[rich cosmos]

Where as stuff like lexington and elmo are LITERALLY reskinned police m4s

[silent storm]

It's an AK with a switch and explosive ammo lol

[broken edge]

if you look at the game code the stats from elmo and lexington are from the gun named police M4, not that they are AR plataforms in similarity in real life

merciless might be one of the few completely unique exotics

[rich cosmos]

My problem is that the actual in game lvoa is being completely ignored

even during project resolve

[broken edge]

well the ACR-SS is also horrible

[rich cosmos]

That too

I still hold the opinion that project resolve didn’t do nearly enough

[broken edge]

well half of the changes got reverted in the next patch when season formats got announced

[rich cosmos]

Meanwhile m1a gets two separate support exotics because I guess the devs forgor about doctor home

Like wtf is this bs?

Like this is the best example of the devs just flat out forgetting about something, how do you just casually forget about doctor home, and proceed to make doctor home 2

[grave cave]

Maybe we r getting a dr home rework

[gentle lichen]

I don't get the second part
What does the bonus armor amount scale off of

Oh shit i forgot to preload the pts actually

[rich cosmos]

No clue and I think the patch notes changed the number as well

[rich cosmos]

He doesn’t know

[broken edge]

doctor home is just a rifle that heals on kills, second one is pseudo DMR that build heal stacks and also headshot stacks

[dreamy valve]

Remember, someone actually designed and greenlit gear like Rugged Gauntlets and Vindicator

[broken edge]

vindicator is mostly fine

[grave cave]

Sooooo a dev played too much overwatch?

I mean, new rifle is just ana

[rich cosmos]

Makes rifle built on scoped aiming
Mdr

[dreamy valve]

Weapons like Pakhan, Strega, Vindicator are virtually non existent out on the pug wilds imo

[rich cosmos]

Good good meh

[broken edge]

i mena people have allergy to anything that isnt striker elmo at the same time

[rich cosmos]

Elmo deserved more of a nerf I hate elmo I hate elmo

[dreamy valve]

I think it’s the fault is more on Dev design not the player. Player will always go down the path of least resistance

[gentle lichen]

But elmo doesn't hate you ❤️‍🩹

[grave cave]

Long ago the devs made a try about nerfing elmos...... The communitty cried so hard that they canceled part of the nerf

[rich cosmos]

I still wish bluescreens talent was elmos and elmos to bluescreen, bluescreen is my goat but I don’t like lmgs 💔

[light grove]

…. But St Elmo’s is just a gun 💀

[rich cosmos]

Id hope so

[grave cave]

They need revive the idea of the mag nerf😔

Why striker users cried so hard, is just 10 bullets

[strong cave]

Take into account that the game takes place in the United States, which the US Military has adopted 5.56x45mm NATO. Majority of the service rifles are on the M4 platform because it's what they've been using since the Vietnam era (M16s, early M4 Carbines, etc). Hasn't changed since

Plus, it's familiar. Ask any weapon-familiar American how to use an M4 style weapon, they could probably show you. Don't ask for Bloc weapons tho 😂

[light grove]

To be fair, the time before st Elmo’s, majority’s second gun was Scorpio… the moment you bake any CC into just shooting it’ll fit almost anywhere…

[grave cave]

But at least they had the balls to make a Big Nerf to scorpio's😭

[dreamy valve]

Original Scorpio my beloved 😭

[strong cave]

And look how often it's used now... Only use I see is for slight crowd control or for healing builds with Opportunistic

[hearty pulsar]

Im confused here, my proficiency has literally gone up by 1 after using it to clear 2x invaded missions plus an stronghold. any idea whats up? this doest seem normal

[strong cave]

You donate junk and dupe items to increase expertise

[hearty pulsar]

cant seem to be able to, when i click on donate, nothing happens

[strong cave]

Named items, gear brands, gear sets, guns, etc

[grave cave]

Ngl in part they killed the gun, but compared to elmos nerf.... The communitty cried so hard about elmos and not about scorpio which is crazy

[gentle lichen]

Proficiency xp is based on kill xp which doesn't scale that much with difficulty/directives

[strong cave]

You have to hold items marked as junk to donate

[onyx sage]

kill xp does scale with veterancy btw, and it does change with difficulty

[strong cave]

Nah the community wasn't happy with Scorpio. I bet you they do a survey about it, a good number would say they wish the change never happened

[gentle lichen]

Only huge difference regarding difficulty was when <lvl40

[strong cave]

It was just at the time, people were more worried about Striker than a Niche shotgun not many used

[gentle lichen]

It would be like 315xp for a red lmfao

[hearty pulsar]

still dont let me donate, hold down x to donate for nothing to happen, i have marked items as junk

[silent storm]

I think you underestimate how many gun nuts love those "Bloc" weapons you speak of.

[strong cave]

Needs to be something you don't already have maxed out to donate

[grave cave]

Yea but is CRAZY they cried about 10 bullets on elmos and not about the nerf to scorpio, striker made a lot of ppl braindead

[onyx sage]

i still lament my six12

[grave cave]

I hope one day they Buff scorpio to make It viable in more builds

Scorpio only got 1 Buff, Crash games with a skin🕊️🕊️

[strong cave]

I love them too. But expecting Russian style weapons in a country that's part of NATO (which 5.56x45mm is standard for most NATO countries) is just weird

They shoot usually 7.62 of some sort

[light grove]

The reload speed being absolutely murdered was a choice

[strong cave]

Striker has been around since the very beginning tbh. There's no getting around it. What I was pissed about was the nerf to EB's damage. Elmo has 10 whole more bullets. It SHOULD do slightly less damage than EB. EB is a raid exclusive weapon with a totally different talent and less mag size and way more recoil

EB has next to zero use besides just running memento striker and turning brain off or surviving against cheaters in pvp

[grave cave]

The nerf to EB was personal, im 101% sure a dev had beef with it

[strong cave]

If I had my choice, I'd buff the base damage of EB. Just by a touch. Keep Elmo's as it is, I like where it sits. The damage was high before nerf. EB needs to be brought back to the damage it was before, if not nearly before

[grave cave]

EB is a PvP gun, and in PvP is full of bighorns so idk why they cant Buff EB

Also oro needs a little bit of love

[strong cave]

Ouro needs to be brought back to the damage it used to do. Everything else is fine by me

[grave cave]

The keener season was wild with nerfs (i think was Keener's)

[dreamy valve]

Head Hunter + Determined? Not a problem. Tips of the Spear? Entire rework

[light grove]

They did tip of the spear dirty.

[strong cave]

Tots needs a major rework, true Patriot needs a buff, system corruption as well. List goes on

[grave cave]

This is more funny when uk perfect determined work as intended and the normal talent is bugged😭

[grave cave]

Ngl i would Accept a season with reworks instead of new gear set, also, im still waiting a change to the stats of 511

[light grove]

Like.. TOTS was actually completely fine the way it was before it was changed to the thing it is now.. why was it even adjusted to begin with?

[strong cave]

Striker backpack should be looped in with this question

The power creep has been absolutely awful last few seasons

[light grove]

Oh it’s still awful.

I just read there’s a holster with Rate of fire AND a 1pc with rate of fire?

[gentle lichen]

Make it lose stacks on miss and you'll see its usage plummet

[strong cave]

Yup. They basically remade the accuracy holster but for rate of fire

[grave cave]

Yep, new Set gives 5% ROF with 1 piece and the named piece gives 8% ROF, 13% ROF in one piece

[light grove]

HAHAH! to what it was before where you needed at least 80% accuracy to even compete with a normal brandset!

[strong cave]

Funny enough I jokingly tried the accuracy holster one with Caretaker and it made the G36 a complete monster

[strong cave]

Yooo 13% ROF on top of the 15% striker gives (I think)

Finally 1k rpm Lexington

[grave cave]

At least they put 2 braincells together and made the ROF piece a holster to not combine It with centurion's

[light grove]

Power creep city

[gentle lichen]

So it fits the whole "gamble" part of striker's
In its current state it is a brainless to play just a tad bit lower compared to hh determined

[strong cave]

PvP would die. Especially with umbra

[strong cave]

Everyone would move back to heartbreaker all red

HB and striker are basically near the same. Just one requires more work lol

[gentle lichen]

It should get same treatment since they literally function the same just one required pulsed

[grave cave]

Add to that gunner perk and golden bullet when is active😭😭

And add the talent of +25% ROF on the first half of the mag

[strong cave]

Pretty much. But if it's only tied to striker then technically heartbreaker is just pulse striker which makes it function no different

[strong cave]

I know measured buffs overall burst DPS but I'm not a fan of it tbh

[grave cave]

I want try all that with a vector, speedrun to 0 ammo

[strong cave]

They have the Allegro AR with the ROF talent

Why don't they have a normal version?

[light grove]

I used it often as a close quarters set and actually had some wild damage output with The Apartment…. Back when it killed stacks at least

[strong cave]

Bc if they did I'd use that with tinkerer for my lex and then use killer or strained or optimist

[gentle lichen]

I mean 2 stack gain with 1 stack loss on miss like classified striker is still better than the bs we got rn

[strong cave]

I'd make that apply to pvp

[gentle lichen]

Stack decay is also a joke

[grave cave]

Buff striker, too weak

[light grove]

I mean strikers “gamble”? More like.. striker’s guarantee

💀

[strong cave]

💀

[gentle lichen]

I'd vouch for 2 stack decay from 1-50 and 3 from 50-100
I remember it did use to be like that

[grave cave]

I love how striker is 1 stack decay per second and any other Set is like "u lose 10 stacks after 1 sec"😭

[light grove]

Oh

They’re afraid to piss off everyone at this point when it comes to nerfing strikers.

“Strikers guarantee”

[strong cave]

At this rate it's a main staple. Personally I want them to buff other sets to compete with strikers

[grave cave]

Thats difficult since the only buffs we get is +2k dmg to the most random gun ever

[strong cave]

Fair deal. One can wish tho

[grave cave]

Atp of the game we need div3

Or a biiiiggg sunset but not like the one from Destiny back then, more like the one we have rn, a soft sunset

Make some things "featured", better stats than the other things

[light grove]

Gear 3.0

[worn imp]

As a utility skill at only 2 skill tiers, is shock trap worth using?

[gentle lichen]

Nah

[grave cave]

Maybe in legendary zoo at the end, other than that no

Foam better

[worn imp]

What is a decent CC skill besides foam to use with an all red heartbreaker build using memento (2 skill tiers, +1 because of technician)

[grave cave]

Or emp, turrets, stickies....

Banshee

[worn imp]

how about burn?

[grave cave]

Nah

[worn imp]

Stick burn tho?

only 7 sec cooldown. Enemies dont shoot while burning right?

[grave cave]

If u like It and u feel comfortable with it u can run it yes

[strong cave]

Banshee

Tech isn't quite necessary for heartbreaker. Banshee pulse still pulses enemies. Abuse it for ACS stacks and just use EB and chain heads. If you're fighting Black Tusk tho, yeah, run tech

Tech gives you an easier time. Running HB with EB is just pure chaos

[worn imp]

EB is not very good lol

[strong cave]

It's been said multiple times here today, by me included, about EB being mid. You are right tho

[worn imp]

hey if you like using it more power to you!

[strong cave]

It's still a nice weapon. Just doesn't have much use case in PvE

[worn imp]

is there any meaningful difference between the MK46 and M249 LMGs?

[meager fog]

Nope

[strong cave]

Other than the name, no

[strong cave]

For a gun nut, such as myself, I've found the difference between the two irl coming down to missing features. M249 is heavier because it has all the "features" it's meant to have. The MK46 is an M249 with some missing features made specifically for SOCOM. You get the same firepower for less the weight. Pretty cool

Figured I'd post that if anyone else was curious and who likes guns 👌

[vestal atlas]

to say there is no difference at all with the mk46/m249 para/m249 B is not completely true, the mk46 has a tiny bit better handling in a tiny bit less vertical recoil, not noticeable unless you A-B it but it is there, if you are going to grade one to 30, mught as well go for the mk46

[subtle bluff]

Hey @hexed steppe idea for you to try... I dunno of it's worth but trying blacklister with your mortar build. I know you'll lose a Skill Teir and Skill Dmg but I don't have the build and it's your thing.

[strong cave]

Sir yes sir got it ✊

[strong cave]

He could maybe hold Kard?

If he really needs that T6

[worn imp]

whats blacklister?

[strong cave]

New kneepads that drop from climax mission w/ tempest

[worn imp]

ah

[onyx sage]

rip dta

[subtle bluff]

That's thought but the DTA lost

[onyx sage]

12% for 20% is still a gain but like

the risk is immense

[subtle bluff]

15...

15% dmg
+1 ammo
10% radius

[onyx sage]

???? i mean losing 12% dta for the 20% amp

[subtle bluff]

Oh..

Derp derp….

[strong cave]

@onyx sage ah okay, didn't know he used Cont gloves. I know he loves mortar but tbh I have no idea how his build is lol

I've tried doing skill builds. Just can't do em outside of CC and healing

[cloud laurel]

EB would be OP only if the talent be passive and not active on kill

[glossy rover]

looking at building a combat medic

im looking at all the gear and i cant piece something together, for a start yes im using birdies

[gentle lichen]

OD lol

i mean you still lose quite some damage cause no wicked/red core and attributes but it's one of the few sets that you use in a team and it does play into the "support" role more

[astral kraken]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/16HqEiVULospbbD6EZS29FJLo0Kc7cMwDECTo4OEmo0w/edit?usp=sharing

BTSU is suuuuper strong for healers so IMO it's hard to swap it out for Birdie's but I suppose you can.

What I don't like about Birdie's is it only kicks in when things get bad. But you can build around not letting things get bad in the first place.

[glossy rover]

ive saved a few runs with birdies so it can be a strong pick, but like why pick berdies when btsu keeps heal uptimes high, im torn but at the same time i think i find more value in berdies when it comes to revive speed and weakness debuff aswell as damage reduction

[subtle bluff]

With the new exo rifle I’ll have to play with it.

[worn imp]

What to run purely depends on how good your group members are at not dying.

[subtle bluff]

Birdies can be really helpful but it’s less of healing and more just getting people up

Combat medic isn’t really thing imo.

[glossy rover]

i almost want to be playing a front line bruiser, but medic

[subtle bluff]

You caan’t have all 3

[astral kraken]

I guess the question to ask is: would the run need to be saved at all if you had a good build on? I don't know what you were running and what the situation was but it's always a question that needs to be asked.

I've seen a lot of people say they "carried" a whole group by running all blue, explo resist, pfe type builds. They think they carried because team members kept going down and they ran in to save them. But one of the reasons people go down is the team DPS isn't high enough.

So in other words they're "saving" the team from a problem that they sort of caused.

[glossy rover]

theres always a why? i get that why run this if you can keep them alive why run that when this is superior

im just trying to find something that works, i remember playing around with capacitor when it first came out and made some solid damage hybrids, umbra came out i mashed it together and now we have it in meta

[astral kraken]

It's highly situational.

Here's an example: legendary DUA garage. For newer players that encounter is a nightmare because you have 3 drone operators that like to hide, 2 minitanks, and a wave of grenadiers at the end.

You can run DPS for that encounter but it might not be enough if your team is too weak. You might get really unlucky with how the drone operators position or something like that.

But if you ran a Measured Assembly healer you completely nullify the drone operators, minitanks, and make the grenadiers a much less threat. Not to mention healing the team. That'll keep people alive and shooting and comfortably clear the room.

(it's also an enclosed space so your MA build will shine)

[subtle bluff]

You can get away with a lot with seasonal modifiers and things.

[glossy rover]

MA does look enticing but the backpack looks like it would almost be a need with the amount of drone operators that spawn

[worn imp]

i think the word youre looking for is zealot lmao

[subtle bluff]

You’re not wrong.

I haven’t used any active modifiers. Just passive make me do more than needed

[astral kraken]

Yea you kinda need the backpack. Another reason I don't like Birdies. Backpacks are so strong 🙂

[worn imp]

you're nerfing yourself cause the game gets too easy. based grindset man

[subtle bluff]

I hotswap to birdies a lot

[rich cosmos]

Give all exotic backpacks all 3 core attributes

[subtle bluff]

I think that’s what cool about it.

[subtle bluff]

Exo chest need something

[rich cosmos]

Also following this

Why isn’t beacon a 3 core exotic, its talent literally involves all 3 attributes

In fact that would again make it work with measured even more

[subtle bluff]

or something to make worth using

[rich cosmos]

This is the perfect exotic to do all 3 core attributes for

[subtle bluff]

None of the exo chest are good enough

[rich cosmos]

Absolutely the stats are far too low for it to be good

[subtle bluff]

Actually I'm dumb I was thinking of having gear with all core would be dumb

[rich cosmos]

Give all chest and bp exotics all 3 core attributes it really can’t break them that badly

[subtle bluff]

You're wrong imo

[glossy rover]

overloading on cores is sooooo huge

[rich cosmos]

Am I forgetting one?

[subtle bluff]

Give them more it wouldn't be bad. Just add another core to them.

[subtle bluff]

Not really.

If anything take there minor stats away and give cores would be a ok balance.

Or in the some case just another core like birds jsut give blue on top

[glossy rover]

between capacitor ninjabikes picaros and PS, there is so much to gain

[subtle bluff]

PvP sure PvE bad.

[rich cosmos]

Anyways point is beacon should have all 3 cores its extremely weird to make it an exotic that gives all three attribute types but not all 3 attributes

[glossy rover]

fair point i mean look at momento

i think i found it

i found combat medic but its going to be a pain, syscor

i have decent armour/survivability 200% repair skills, the only thing sub optimal would be haste but when i overcharge it should help

probably should be using a capacitor if im running 6 skill tiers huh

[worn imp]

Abso-completelutely

[subtle bluff]

Either go Repair or go Bonus Armor.

[subtle bluff]

Here. This isn't exactly the build it changes but like it says if you can't figure out don't ask.
I can run this in leggo, master and do almost everything Repair everyone, hotswap to birdies if I need to uppies, do some DMG, CC and some buffs.

[astral kraken]

lol you should call that Swiss Army Knife

[subtle bluff]

Ya that's not a bad name for it.

[glossy rover]

speaking of Bonus armour, imo we need more ways to apply it to self/team

[astral kraken]

cc, seeker spam, debuff x 3, reviver, overcharge, pfe

[subtle bluff]

Uh? we have plenty atm.

[rich cosmos]

We are about to get more as well

[shy willow]

Loads of ways

[glossy rover]

to team i can think of three ways

[subtle bluff]

There's 2 each BP and Chest.

Let's not think and check.

It's enough.

[glossy rover]

tardi, vanguard, galv for team

and protector

[rich cosmos]

And a skill

[subtle bluff]

I mean there's more

Leadership, Perfect Protected Reload

But anyways it's enough..

[rich cosmos]

If only there was a gearset that utilized smart cover that could use a buff

[subtle bluff]

idk people sticking together isn't the great thing either tho

[astral kraken]

there are a lot of advantages to shooting outside of cover as well. really hurts smart cover.

[rich cosmos]

The issue is there isn’t an incentive to stay together with that gearset other than the grenade thing

[subtle bluff]

Ya I'm rarely in cover..

[rich cosmos]

I know it defeats the purpose but like, smart cover should work out of cover too

[foggy imp]

I was thinking about getting away from striker and trying a 4 piece providence defense with perfect glass cannon chest, perfect vigilance backpack, ceska knee pads and overdog gloves. Thoughts ?

[subtle bluff]

I use cover but rarely take it

[subtle bluff]

There are plenty of different builds to use

4pcs of providence..... why not go 5 pcs strikers?

[astral kraken]

it's good. you will do a lot of damage right away and not have to worry about stacks. BUT you will run into problems against tanky enemies that need to die fast. you will feel the difference in peak dps (that you would have at full striker stacks).

IIRC even half stacks striker already wins, but don't quote me on that - it's been a long time since i checked

[subtle bluff]

PGC and Vig with strikers is actually reallly good.

[astral kraken]

yea that's my main build, love it

haven't found anything better yet

[subtle bluff]

I'm not a goat like you guys to use PGC in leggo

I'm just trying to normal GC atm

[foggy imp]

I have the backpack I just need to optimize it. Maybe I’ll give that a shot

[rich cosmos]

Is future initiative amp or standard weapon damage

[subtle bluff]

Overdogs is the only things that next to it.

[worn imp]

whats PGC stand for?

[subtle bluff]

TWD

[foggy imp]

Just been loving the overdog gloves paired with the PGC chest

[subtle bluff]

P. Glass Cannon

[astral kraken]

i ran it for a few weeks and dropped it. it was significantly worse for me.

[rich cosmos]

Would a good buff to MA be giving it 10% damage for each player up to 30%?

[foggy imp]

Damn good to know. I’ll give your set up a chance and see how it runs in countdown. Maybe I’ll do way more damage and drop the gloves as well

[rich cosmos]

I feel like thats too much

[shy willow]

Measured assembly is in a decent spot as is imo it's just niche cuz generally you don't all hunker down in one spot

[rich cosmos]

I mean, the problem is other players don’t have a reason to stay near you

Yeah smart cover and hive but like, players are genuinely blind

[shy willow]

Even if you gave them something else they still wouldn't 😭

[subtle bluff]

hmm?

[shy willow]

If they're gonna buff anything about MA let it eat grenades too

[rich cosmos]

You know 10% for each player within skill radius

[foggy imp]

@astral kraken I’m not as good as you but can you run this build in master?

[astral kraken]

I mean use your discretion and pay close attention to how much damage you're actually doing when it matters. The issue I have with Overdogs is the enemy hierarchy it creates doesn't match with how I prioritize targets. My priorities are usually the most threatening targets and those are high up the hierarchy chain - so Overdogs is doing nothing for me. There are enemies that I'm used to killing with a single mag that Overdogs can't do.

[subtle bluff]

Oh. Ehh... MA is niche for teams that need crutch becuse they can't shooot and DPS ads quick enough.

[shy willow]

I've heard good things about overdogs but nothing beats the comfort of exodus gloves for me

[astral kraken]

Yea but it's hard.

[rich cosmos]

Exogoats

[astral kraken]

I've gotten up to room 6 so far and haven't tried again, but will eventually. It's trial and error because you need to find good spots and memorize enemies/spawns.

Also the first encounter has a lot of enemy RNG. Sometimes you'll get drone operators, sometimes minitanks.

[subtle bluff]

I am curious have you tried Iron Lung out yet?

[foggy imp]

Watching the health bar just disappear was satisfying lol

[astral kraken]

I tried the positioning in that video with drone operators and it didn't work at all. This took way longer; still searching for a better way. Also turned off mods for this one.

[astral kraken]

lol yea! Inspired by a certain average player. I still like the vector for most things but Iron Lung has been great in places like boss room of legendary Zoo. It kicks the drone operators out of cover and stuff.

[subtle bluff]

Just making sure to share the love for Iron Lung.

[gentle lichen]

did i tell you guys i got an iron lung body pillow

[shy willow]

By far my favourite lmg

[rich cosmos]

You meant to type bluescreen right?

[gentle lichen]

the bluescreen watches from the corner

[rich cosmos]

Lore accurate

[foggy imp]

Also can that backpack drop in countdown or can you only get it from the bots

[strong cave]

If it's the gift, it's a DZ exclusive item

[foggy imp]

Can’t those little houndsman bots drop it still?

[cloud laurel]

There are build for that, I don’t remembered the names but the chest if you pop your shield, your team would get armor bonus 50% of your armor and last for 10 sec or so idk. The backpack if you shock them, anyone within 30m or so will get the armor bonus of 50%. So in total you can give 100% bonus armor to your team but this means you have to be a tank of 2M armor. Or use refactor with backpack and keep you alive. Birdie is only a backup to revive when multiple team mate dead or if you know your team isn’t good at cover to cover (mostly don’t cover) then run birdie. Refactor is better for lazy players to heal the team than using FI or MA. Hence, I’m always using my refactor in leg mostly unless if I run with someone ik can do heavy dmg I’d use FI and follow that person.

[strong cave]

I have no idea. I don't think the event is still going on I don't think

The gift isn't all that great of a backpack to use anymore. Better builds/backpacks slot in

[subtle bluff]

P. Vigliance and Normal is 1 second...

[solar sable]

but that 1 second makes the difference....trust me I have played since launch....so U cant tell me what I am doing wrong....I cant keep arguing with people like U....

[hexed steppe]

still need to get those, but will try when i do

[foggy imp]

So what backpack do you like to use

[astral kraken]

You can't get it as a drop in countdown but you can get it from named item caches that you can buy with countdown credits. The vendors sometimes sell it as well so check this every week: https://rubenalamina.mx/the-division-weekly-vendor-reset/

You can use a normal vigilance backpack for now. Or just use the striker backpack with a setup like that.

[solar sable]

So my comment is merely sarcastic, don't take that as valid or an insult, okay?
Follow that template Purple Minitank posted

[obtuse crystal]

no but its being sold at dz south this week

[agile citrus]

@astral kraken try demo drone. demo drone kills drone backpacks. it also downs dog weak spots and kills grendier bakcpacks

demo drone has 2 rules. it goes in a straight line, if firsdt target is more than 30 meters, and never throw it round the edge of cover, only over

[foggy imp]

But you probably need dz money to buy it ?

[obtuse crystal]

yes like 151 or so

[agile citrus]

hello val update ❤️

[astral kraken]

too inconsistent plus i need the decoy and emp sticky

[agile citrus]

it might not be worth in your opinion, but its not inconsistent. it follws a straight forward rule set.

• it bugs out if you throw around cover. out of cover and over (not next to edge) always works
• it attacks short range in a shotgun cone
• it attcks long rnge in a straight path after 30 meters for first target. it will not spread out, it will continue forward.

it also has an instant cast that will wreck the first weak point or hazard it sees

trust me, after I began using it, I bsiaclly went sylar on it (heros refrence) determined to make it work functionally

[astral kraken]

by inconsistent i just mean that i can't apply it when i need from any position, like emp sticky

[vivid ivy]

Anyone got a build for the EB? I feel like mine isn’t doing as much as it should

[subtle bluff]

EB isn't that great.

[cloud laurel]

Here

[vivid ivy]

Aw. So what exotic AR is the best now? Saint Elmo’s?

[astral kraken]

Depends on build. You can start with the AR Striker tables for a very general comparison since it's a popular build:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1whUO7xqWgskFS5hFn-zSZNiPyllbNN6NcHAFbTOPWVY/edit?usp=sharing

Burst/sustain tables are very useful as well:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12vzrBI53INNVcKx25ILuvwIgJDg2xUvOO_IA0uctlwE/edit?usp=sharing

[verbal gust]

I like the chameleon recently. Piqued my interest.

[subtle bluff]

To note Exotics/Named Weapons/Gear aren't always the best nor is needed for every build.

[solar berry]

Ok S3 actually looks like my cup of tea

[cerulean smelt]

the human companion?

[broken edge]

Pokemon

[cloud laurel]

At least isn’t palmon

[dreamy valve]

Companion build? Body shield

[subtle bluff]

#1438519985843470520

[agile citrus]

regulus, not good enough for enthing higher then solo. would be harder to start on heroic, but tac 50 maxs hh so its not a big deal outside of heynas. It starts at like 1.7 to 2m

[magic pilot]

Uhhh cause it's striker lol

[urban latch]

Anyone ever notice how sharks suck at climbing trees? A new insight I've just made btw

[karmic osprey]

What does that have to do with builds

[astral kraken]

it's a joke for when builds try to fit square pegs in round holes

[karmic osprey]

Yeah you kids are cringe

[magic pilot]

Erm actually I am not a kid

[subtle bluff]

Cringe that you think that and that you feel the need to say it...

[heady marten]

Does anyone have a backfire memento build I can look at, I found a Hazpro one but I want to see if there’s any others, I don’t care if it’s optimal or not I’d just like to use the two together

[subtle bluff]

Let me guess you found it on YouTube..

[heady marten]

No

[subtle bluff]

The reason you found them they were for last season.

and it's modifiers.

[heady marten]

That’s cool or whatever, I still would like to try it out

[subtle bluff]

Give it shot. It's slow vs other stuff now.

The build doesn't need hazpro btw...

[heady marten]

I was either making that or a full blue core with crit chance/damage

[hazy steeple]

IDK, I saw this documentary with Tara Reid once.

[agile citrus]

😠 there are NO STRIKER STACKS

the next person who claims my striker headhunter uses striker stack to work IMA SCREAM

NO IT DOESNT (nvm I already did)

[hazy steeple]

So you're using striker without building stacks?

[agile citrus]

no, Im using hh or striker. they dont coexist alongside

they compliment each other but they dont use each other

[hazy steeple]

So your build has both HH and striker, but you are leaving one totally unused as you're using the other?

I think I can see the reason why you're having trouble with using this build: it sucks.

[agile citrus]

I despise hot swapping, so I designed a mutli functional build

[hazy steeple]

What you designed is the Ford Pinto of div2 builds.

[agile citrus]

I have 0 problems using this build? I never said I have problems with it

[agile citrus]

out of curiosity, because this was not based on me, why do you think builds in a game were multi use is possible, single role is the only "not suck"

its a weird assessment. but you can use single role builds if you want. I will keep my 1.2m lexington spray with 13 m regulus and 20m sniper. its fun

[cloud laurel]

This is the pact master, my 1st run for the kneepad

[foggy imp]

What chest is that ? I have a momento build with st Elmo but I feel like I’m hardly doing any damage

[subtle bluff]

Bel Stone

[cloud laurel]

Belstone with CHC CHD and obliterate, for Elmo, you need ceska chest

[magic pilot]

Badstone

[foggy imp]

Yeah i have ceska with intimidate; all blue cores and momento. I’m only hitting for 600k but I see videos of people hitting for over a million. Maybe my build sucks lol

[magic pilot]

Elmo is way lower dmg per shot than backfire

[cloud laurel]

You need all red that’s how I ran my Elmo with memento. BF it’s different

[foggy imp]

Okay I’ll try throwing momento with all red cores until I get a backfire

Would obliterate still be best or intimidate for the weapon damage with picking up trophies

[cloud laurel]

With BF, I can sit at 2M armor with 81K AR+ memento (30 tokens) I can still hit 1M+

[cloud laurel]

I never like intimate, ppl can argue with me but not for my build so obliterate always been my favor. With intimate, you have to use ad rush and memento isn’t worthy.

[agile citrus]

@magic pilot the ar recording broke. but anyway, no striekr stacks

this was my first run btw, I dun wanna hear about "bros so lost" T.T

[magic pilot]

Why am I getting pinged

[agile citrus]

👆

[magic pilot]

Yea I don't need to see any more videos, we've been having the same conversation for over a year

[agile citrus]

eh. fair enough

[foggy imp]

Damn hopefully I can get a backfire to drop in countdown or getting it in a cache

[magic pilot]

Just run whatever you want, it works for you sick. I'm just not gonna pretend I like it

[agile citrus]

I pinged cuz youv said for ages, "striker" is why it works. thats all

[cloud laurel]

Or I can went all red just adjust blue core to red and have 2.5M+ and BF need time to play to understand how bleed work and playstyle.

[agile citrus]

striker doesnt affect the hh side. it might, in some tiny way, due to fast headshots, but barely. just clafirying if this was hbr, or anything else it would work the same (Iv tested it.. on hbr)

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/R6vJhXTo0lI?si=fAlyLXvjSQx6NRr3

@foggy imp

[subtle bluff]

I need to make a new video for this backfire thing..

[foggy imp]

So backfire would be good in heroic countdown for the higher hp

[subtle bluff]

Yeah can be. Still don't believe it's worth.

[foggy imp]

So would it be better to just move away from momento and stick with the overdog gloves

[meager fog]

Memento is really only for solo or hard carrying.

Outside of that it's difficult to keep the trophies going

[foggy imp]

I more so was trying to build into it for heroic countdown since the enemies hit so hard

[meager fog]

There are 7 other allies to spread the aggro with, the enemies hit hard but I would not recommend Memento for countdown

Any reasonable DPS is good for Heroic Countdown, 8 full reds will clear it fast if you coordinate properly

Why Heroic countdown, can I ask?

The loot is only marginally better on average than challenging and not worth the difficulty hike

[foggy imp]

Literally just run it for the extra countdown money to buy named cache or exotic

[meager fog]

Still better to just run challenging. Clear speed is key for farming

[foggy imp]

Yeah I’m trying to get the gift backpack as purple said that’s his favorite thing to run with perfect glass cannon chest over the exotic gloves but I will switch to challenging

[onyx sage]

you should probably do retaliation instead since you get named caches + exotic caches for completion too and you can craft reconstructed caches which might give you the gift blueprint

[subtle bluff]

You do understand what different between Normal Vigliance vs P. Vigilance is right?

[foggy imp]

Extra 5% damage?

[subtle bluff]

No. 1 second

The gearsheet has it all there if you want to see.

[foggy imp]

Sure I’ll see it. I’m sure people would argue that the 1 second makes a big difference for getting that damage back

[subtle bluff]

I guess.. Never seen the issue. I have 2 Gifts I forget I have them.

[cerulean smelt]

that's the reason people say forget the gift and just use a regular providence or brand with vigilience

[agile citrus]

For the record. Most of the time if you are trying to use the gift alongside the other piece. Such as the old pistol build, the chess piece is usually Providence, with perfect glass cannon. The backpack is usually ceska, which has 10% crit chance. If you used Providence and the gift, you would get both of these, and the one second cooldown reduction

[meager fog]

8%*

[agile citrus]

The obliterates backpack with vigilance is good. But if you're already using glass cannon or perfect glass cannon you may as well run the gift

[onyx sage]

i'm probably the only person who would notice it because i play vigi with no shield

most players do not play like this

[agile citrus]

The other thing is vigil respects shield and bonus armor. And one of the most common uses of vigil backpack, is heartbreaker.

[cloud laurel]

You can run retal and it give you 3 rewards: 1. Your target loot 2. Exotic 3. Named at the end of retal. Countdown isn’t worthy anymore tbh.

[onyx sage]

i agree tbh

[magic pilot]

I run it in heroic countdown

[cerulean smelt]

in your opinion maybe, but countdown just gives sheer amounts of loot compartively and those hunter currency can help for things like exotics

[onyx sage]

you get exotics too with retal every run, with heroic countdown you need 2 runs per 1 cache

[subtle bluff]

I run my striker BH for heroic.

[magic pilot]

Ceska is 8% chc

[cloud laurel]

Not really, if you target loot, it dropped and sometime you get more because retal randomly give you 2-4 CP. personally retal is the best way to farm exotic and named than CD.

[agile citrus]

Yyyy I know, it was a half typo. I don't build around it, I mostly just ignore the two percent nerf, but yeah it was still incorrect and I should be concise

[scenic whale]

Retals can also net you extra reconstructed caches so even if it’s low CP counts it ends up working out better doesn’t it.

If you’re really lucky you’ll net a blueprint that’s pretty much problem solved

[cerulean smelt]

roguegold did a video of retal vs countdown down. he said countdown is still a bit better but not by much

[foggy imp]

What’s bh lol

[cerulean smelt]

Big Horn

[foggy imp]

Does vigilance stay active with zealot

[agile citrus]

3 every 4. Challenging is 1 for 2

[trim abyss]

For regulus, what is the second attribute you want to have for the headhunter build?

[grand girder]

dttooc

[trim abyss]

sweet ty

also, for FI healer build that uses birdie back pack. would BA or alps summit holster be better? I would think the extra repair would be better than skill haste

[grand girder]

not sure tbh @onyx sage any thoughts?

[trim abyss]

but then again, maybe since I cant use BTSU the extra haste is needed?

[magic pilot]

Setup backpack

[trim abyss]

I have the version that runs the setup already, this version is for quick revives, so the setup isnt an option

[magic pilot]

Improvised then for haste

[cloud laurel]

Try to find aps glove so you can hotswap BTSU with birdie must easier because they’re under glove. FI used helm, chest holster and kneepad.

[trim abyss]

thanks!

[cloud laurel]

You might as well build refactor too, pretty fun to play in leggo with refactor. You can send your drone to atk drone operators or healer or bomber so they disrupt their skills and make things easier on your team. Especially in tidal or where drone operators units, send your drone in to atk them. The build would be using motherly love glove, you can craft this at the craft station. You can use waveform and motherly love together and if you need to use birdie, hotswap waveform for refactor, Both are my favor than MA.

[trim abyss]

is there a link for that build or is it in the spreadsheet?

[cloud laurel]

Idk, these are my personal experiences with and playstyle. I’ve never followed any of the build here since they’re not suitable for my playstyle

[foggy imp]

Here’s my momento build till I get the backfire

[solar sable]

highly suggesting not to waste materials on body gear expertise

[magic pilot]

@trim abyss

[trim abyss]

Thank you, I like those. Im curious on the difference between hanna chest and refactor chest though

[cloud laurel]

Solo, this is already failure from the look of it. Solo better use memento with AR and all red clear things 10x faster than refactor dps. put together and build and did any test to see which is faster and more convenient? Another reason I don’t follow any of these build sheet. 😉

[trim abyss]

ya this build im makin isnt for DPS, its for situational support

[magic pilot]

I wouldn't use refactor at all solo

[magic pilot]

I didn't make the guide, nor have I used refactor

[kindred hazel]

Can you elaborate?

[solar sable]

it's not worth it, that's it

[kindred hazel]

But why? I don't understand why you wouldn't want extra armor if you can get it.

[magic pilot]

Because armor doesn't really do anything in this game

https://youtu.be/mNk-qwZL35M?si=BxvKbuy8l1Mm-bXF

[kindred hazel]

So then that logic applies to mask, backpack, etc as well?

[magic pilot]

Absolutely

I run legendary with a full red build, glass cannon chest

[cerulean smelt]

you're only buffing the white number base armor which doesn't give you much in general

[magic pilot]

Yea expertise doesn't scale off armor cores either. With all pieces at 30, it's only about 190k armor

70 exos per, 6 gear pieces

[solar sable]

total base armor at lvl40 was ~700k, wasn't it?

[kindred hazel]

THAT i never knew. Wow.

[magic pilot]

Base without watch is 660,014. With watch it's 726,015

[magic pilot]

Every armor piece comes with armor on it, the value is dependent on level and what slot it's on

If you look on the far right it says 80.3k armor, that's what expertise is scaling off.

[kindred hazel]

That I understood, I never knew that the 170K blue core wasn't effected by expertise... that's interesting.

Obviously my own ignorance, and I appreciate you all not jumping down my throat. Truly. That's refreshing out in the ether.

[cloud laurel]

It does in armor regen build, at +20 maybe 500 AR or so

[solar sable]

It's something that not everyone gets at first without someone else explaining it, I also tend to forget stuff like this, you're not the only one that's learning from the 🐐 s

[cerulean smelt]

that 70 exos per 6 pieces if you reuse the very same pieces in every buld otherwise, consider how much more you'll lose upgrading it for other builds. gearsets/brandsets/exotics. gets quite expensive if you ask me

[onyx sage]

this game is very confusing to newcomers

[stark flicker]

killer measured or fast hands for lex

high end 6 red build

[grand girder]

measured IMO

[astral kraken]

+1 for measured

consistency is nice, opening fights is better

[stone python]

Is this a good build to use with st.Elmo?

4 stricker's + what?

[solar sable]

It's pretty good for solo play mainly.
4pc Strikers, Memento, Česká Výroba chest with Obliterate

[foggy imp]

Yeah I’m using it for harder difficulty. Not as squishy.

Backfire smg I want to try with momento

[stone python]

i have backfire did they change the inflicted damage from it?

[subtle bluff]

No. Just the stacks went from 200 to 100 stacks. The amounts were adjusted to fit the stacks.

[foggy imp]

If you want a really strong striker build I’m running the Ceska chest with obliterate and overdog gloves. That’s my favorite right now

[stone python]

Noob Q can i reroll the third att to damage to target out of cover

[grand girder]

yes but its pure luck

also your optimizations will be reset

[stone python]

dang why did they do this?

welp headshot damage isnt bad

[grand girder]

you are "rerolling" every attribute, they didnt allow changing individuals on exotics for a reason

your best bet is to get another gun and reroll that until you get dttooc and then optimize later down the line

[subtle bluff]

for getting the maximum amount of DMG out of your weapons HSD isn’t great.

[stone python]

This is the build i want to try, i have Overdogs what do i do?

[grand girder]

either use that or switch to a striker backpack and run overdogs?

[foggy imp]

If you don’t want to prioritize lower enemies first you can do what @astral kraken suggested and run the providence chest with PGC and backpack with vigilance for the 25% damage

[grand girder]

PGC stands for Perfect Glass Cannon btw

[stone python]

thank you

[grand girder]

the piece is named (The sacrifice)

[stone python]

i have that

[foggy imp]

Yep and then use the backpack with vigilance or if you have the gift backpack

[grand girder]

although the difference between a normal providence backpack with vigilence vs the gift, is only a single second on the talent, Gift is 3s normal is 4s

and if you dont have blueprints or a gift already its not worth trying to get one for that little increase just get a reg

[subtle bluff]

Keeping easier. For DPS builds the main thing you want to watch for is your CHC being correct. Everything will follow suit pretty well.

[foggy imp]

Looks like this. Couldn’t tell ya which one hits harder only benefit to this one is you don’t have to worry about which enemy you’re shooting

[stone python]

i guess i need to work on this

2nd gift sucks blue att

[grand girder]

gonna cost a decent chunk of optimization mats if your not loaded but thats a decent piece

[subtle bluff]

just change the status effect to CHD and you're good

run that and you're good.

[grand girder]

do you have the BP? cause if you do it'll be better to craft more until you get a better roll

[subtle bluff]

nah just run it keep playing

[grand girder]

Yeah but if he has BP he can get a better one to save mats, if not that one works fine but tryna think about his time spent on it

[subtle bluff]

Just put it CHD and running he'll be fine at least he'll get to test the build like that

If it likes the build then ya! farm for another one!

[stone python]

Should i upgrade past level 5?

[grand girder]

you can go to 12 without using exo comps but I wouldn't bother unless its a piece you are definitely gonna use

[magic pilot]

dont upgrade at all

[agile citrus]

Booooo hiss

Tbf I'm only expertising my main 2 sets and that's only cuz I have nothing else to do

[subtle bluff]

TBH like avg said. Don't upgrade at all. The only ones you should be doing is your weapons and some skills.

But follow what they all said.

[stone python]

thank you all for the advices

[agile citrus]

It take about 90 exos to max a piece. It only grants 1 blue core worth of armor. Only do it if your just floating.

1 blue core... With all 6 piece at 30expertise. Not 1 piece

So like... About 540 ish exos

[cloud laurel]

Like this 😉

[agile citrus]

Oioooooo... I'm on 17 lol

[stone python]

Whats this exotic Marksman rifle?

[subtle bluff]

Actually garbage.

[agile citrus]

I think we would all like to know

I'm 90% sure none of us have it

[elder kindle]

Yesh, Sacrum Imperium is genuinely not worth using

Hell, a base G28 with Determined would be better than that

[agile citrus]

As funny of a meme it is, short answer is a trash version of mantis (mantis removes CD on decoy on hs kill) this one, you looks at say 5 people, hs kill one and they all slow down. And get blinded I think.

[elder kindle]

To answer your question though, this is its talent

[agile citrus]

Oh right, the worse one, "burn" nothing says hs me if you can, turning them into a headbanger at a rock concert

[agile citrus]

Bro that better not be your turmoil

[limpid ocean]

What are good lmgs for tinkerer

[elder kindle]

What's the rest of the build?

[limpid ocean]

Tipping scales and ceska chest

[elder kindle]

Stoner or GR9 with Frenzy and Measured maybe?

[grand girder]

whatchu mean? cant exp turmoils

[elder kindle]

With Tipping you want a lot of uninterrupted firing time, which you can only really get with GR9 and Stoner if using Tinkerers

[limpid ocean]

Would negev work then?

What does the stoner look like again?

[grand girder]

red eyes,scruffy hair, kinda depressed

[elder kindle]

It's the one with the forced supressor

[limpid ocean]

Ohhh the overwhelm gun

[elder kindle]

Yeah

You want a non-named though

[limpid ocean]

Of course

[amber crater]

the Quiet Roar is the named with Overwhelmed

[limpid ocean]

I got blueprints for neither

[elder kindle]

Yep

[elder kindle]

dukon is using Tinkerers though, so named stuff is off the table

[limpid ocean]

I call it that cause i could sworn that was the only talent that gun could come with kinda like the carbine

[amber crater]

I know

[limpid ocean]

Everytime i got the non named version it always had overwhelm

[elder kindle]

That's just bad RNG

I think i personally havent seen a non-named with overwhelm yet lol

[limpid ocean]

The carbine 7 was the same with that reloading talent

I thought some guns just came with unique talents

[onyx sage]

it used to drop always with overwhelm like carbine 7 with overflowing back in the day

[gentle lichen]

the days 🥹

[elder kindle]

I think it's been changed though, i think i got a C7 with Strained not too long ago

[magic pilot]

Yea

[cloud laurel]

lol it is

[agile citrus]

we need a turmoil emote that just graphics makes ??? across a skull forehead

stupid chat says all gifs are "not allowed"

[solid hound]

worth using ridgeway chest + the courier with OD build? i'm using the set chest rn but I imagine with a SMG up close the ridgeway will shine

[subtle bluff]

OD Chest buff your 20% amp to 50% dmg.

Ridgeway isn’t that good too it looks interesting but really it’s not useful.

[solid hound]

im interested in the healing aspects of it. it seems good at first look but at lot of the damage im taking is burst

[subtle bluff]

30% amp is a lot of dmg lost. The healing is kind of trap because you need to shoot a lot of things for it to work and need to close everyone.

HF will work better for you’re looking to do.

This is what OD should be able to do

[solid hound]

this is what i current have

55% crit, 101% CHD

[subtle bluff]

Missing a wicked BP

[solid hound]

ye i am using the courier till i get a good one. just bleeds everyone

[subtle bluff]

Bleeding everyone doesn’t do much

[solid hound]

keeps my stacks lol

[subtle bluff]

What stack?

[solid hound]

of hollowpoints, it's better than nothing atm.

[subtle bluff]

Do you see in my video having any issues?

[solar sable]

od doesn't work with stacks but kills, kills refill your hp ammo

[solid hound]

im aware, i just never run out now

[subtle bluff]

OD applies bleed with your shots.

If nothing Creep Death can hurt you since it can help ads become immune to bleeds if you’re proc it too much

[frozen hull]

When you say some skills which ones ? Cause I would hate to waste mats upgrading stuff that isn’t worth it … thanks in advance

[subtle bluff]

You also what gunner for the AoK and Banshee PUlse

[subtle bluff]

You should be able to see them and if you use skill a lot.

For me decoy since I use it a lot and it’s exp for is more threat

Exp skill cost a lot since it uses I can’t remember the name of the mat but that mat is better to save for exp everything

[frozen hull]

Ah ok so just what you use I mostly use crusader shield and drone or hive

[subtle bluff]

Most hive aren’t worth if you look at it gives

Most hive iirc is range which isn’t worth and shield is regen which only is kind ok if you have it at a higher exp

[solid hound]

well that was easy.

had to reroll backpack but way she goes

will look for a ceska or something soon, but lengmo will do for now.

[subtle bluff]

Throw on gunner either use Riot Foam or Banshee Pulse for your CC and you’re set.

Survivalist is only a bit helpful in group play

[solid hound]

i had survivalist on when i was trying ridgeway out, i run gunner 90% of the time lol

[subtle bluff]

Why?

[solid hound]

why did i have it on? heroic matchmaking and wanted to see if the 10% dmg increase to people with status effects was worth it

[subtle bluff]

Ah. It can be.

[solid hound]

i think im gonna switch back to coyote's mask instead of overdogs. brainless perks without having to worry about targeting for the bonus and it also helps the group

[subtle bluff]

You don't need to focus on using overdogs for it to be good.

It makes up quickly when it works

[cloud laurel]

Use overdog and just aim and shoot, I’m also brainless lol

[hexed steppe]

[agile citrus]

hawt

@subtle bluff can we PLS have an honest moment? 30% amp is about +150k per bullet at 1.2m (without) Im not saying this isnt worth, Im saying utility is sometimes worth more. sustained dmg is worth more than suicide bomb

outside of speedrunning

Im also being generous... I think 30% amp at 1.2m is more like.. 90-100k

when you dont even notice the ttk, was it really worth it? is 900 fps better than 90 is you personaly cant tell? this isnt to "argue" its to genuily ask if you believe 30% makes a ton of difference. sometimes people get caught up in the math of... but I MAKE HIM BIGGER, STRONGER! the difference in ttk should be noticable if your going to forgo utility for dmg

[hexed steppe]

what utility? whatever amps you have on your build also need to consider team buffs. not sure if your 30% is refering to glass or overdogs but it could be a good chunk more damage once you factor in team buffs

[agile citrus]

overdogs. I think most people look at glasscannon, as a trade for half health. but because overdogs seems to be the +1 suggestion I wanted to ask if the ttk is genuily noticable

over catharsis 23% consistent buff, coyote, momento, a lot of exos

most builds at end game outside of striker hit about 1.2m, +30% amp is usually about 1.3, to 1.35m

this looks like a ton, but do you notice the ttk? 900 fps helps you react a .1 millisec faster, but will you ever be able to personaly tell?

[hexed steppe]

on nego, i find it noticeable. catharsis isnt even really something to consider on dps. coyote if it isnt close buff you are likely doing very little for the team . memento has its own strengths so i put it higher than coyote if its being utilized proper

[hexed steppe]

with something like nego you are applying that higher amp to 3 targets if prioritized proper. i can see striker or tipping not seeing as big of an impact with overdogs tho

[agile citrus]

I think catharsis is noticable. its wd buff sits at 23% its blue core, (half of 45%)so we can rub off 15% of the buff. its like 8% consistent dps, + heal that blends with shield, also a slight regen. I dont personally use catharsis, but its a good alt to memento if your not top dmg

[hexed steppe]

with nego, shit melts a lot faster

[agile citrus]

yeh this is my thoughts too

[subtle bluff]

OHHH ON that NOTE!

[agile citrus]

I luv bluescreen soooo much. its such a sustained def/off weapon.

Im still not maining lmg, but its the only lmg Ill tolerate

ironlung can suckle a milk bottle, dumb firerate bonus nerf

[hexed steppe]

i main bs over everything dps at this point. nego is 😍 , bluescreen is 😍

[agile citrus]

also have a stoner with the bulletking talent. I forget, looks like a hand mic dropping

[subtle bluff]

that kneelpad is interesting it does work

I haven't tested it in the range to check it.

[hexed steppe]

havent even ran the manhunt yet, so will need to try them next week sometime

[subtle bluff]

lmk!

[hexed steppe]

test a mortar setup with em. just like a basic 3 empress/2wyv/china. is it all damage like glass?

[subtle bluff]

Idk you're the mortar guy I just thought you'd know the best.

[meager fog]

It is all damage

[subtle bluff]

For this master I can think mortar can be pretty decent in some of it.

[cloud laurel]

Same build but on my alt

[meager fog]

@lament birch Proper strikers set up

[astral kraken]

Agree with local. Noticeable TTK on Nego but single target burst DPS builds it's really inconsistent. It's actually noticeably worse enough that I stopped using them for that type of build.

Same result with blacklisters but for slightly different reasons.

[lament birch]

Looks like what I’m running— but the guns and chest/pack are different

[meager fog]

There

[lament birch]

Holy moly—

[meager fog]

Give it a try, I would recommend not using Glass cannon if you struggle with survivability. But it's a good teacher.

You learn very quickly to keep your head down with GC on

[lament birch]

Glass Cannon traumatized me early on, I’m more at ease with Obliterate

[lament birch]

Especially against sneaky snipers

[stone python]

What's that chest piece? Named?

[stone python]

Dude is melting them like butter lol

[amber crater]

most likely not, as the Belstone chest comes with a different talent and AFAIK you can't change that on a named item 🤔

[outer skiff]

What is the best way to lvl up, I'm trying to get to 40

[elder kindle]

Invite me to that server lol i want that emote

[elder kindle]

Steady Handed?

[elder kindle]

I'd say open world activities

[meager fog]

Just play the game, getting to 40 is pretty easy.

Control points are the fastest xp on the highest difficulty you can handle with as many directives active as possible

[elder kindle]

Yeah

Ngl i haven't been in the game for so long that i genuinely forgot that control points exist lmfao

[stone python]

I saw this post on Twitter. What do you think? New meta?

[elder kindle]

I don't think that chest will be able to replace Ceska+Obliterate in the meta. People prioritize CHC over ROF

[wraith zealot]

might use it in coyote's striker. For equalizer.

[subtle bluff]

The diversity of Ceska is hard to beat.
In an AR build it may be able to do better to a degree. It'll do good in TS.

[versed summit]

people really tend to do the opposite, as RoF is just a more attractive stat.

What really matters is if it's more damage, and it should be in most scenarios.

[cloud laurel]

Belstone with CHC CHD and obliterate

[strong cave]

Me running around with my striker backfire build with 90 hazpro, all red cores, and glass cannon

Backfire has some wicked damage range

[strong cave]

Ceska chest piece with the new holster should be perfectly adequate

[subtle bluff]

idk overdogs just make other stuff better

[strong cave]

Youll get an RPM boost at the cost of 12 CHD or depending, 6 CHC. I'd argue rolling the new holster CHC just for ease of keeping track of crit chance

[strong cave]

Overdogs is very hard to pass up. I agree. I fell in love with those damn gloves. Plus I like how they make me feel like ghost from COD 😂

[astral kraken]

i wonder if the rof won't gel with measured

[strong cave]

Gel as in, improve it?

[subtle bluff]

I just went and looked at my OD vs BF clear for Lin lol

[astral kraken]

the more rof sources you have the less useful it is

so like if you run measured it won't be that much of a benefit

• striker rof

just thinking out loud i haven't done the math

[strong cave]

Just based off my understanding of measured, you lose 25% weapon damage for an increase of like 25% rof? Then the other half you'll lose 25% rof for 25% damage. Assuming there's no goofy ass mechanics going on, you'll gain what, 13% rof?

First half measured: 25 + 13 = 38% ROF with 25% less damage

Second half: -12% ROF (-25 + 13 = -12) with 25% more damage

It sounds like it's making Measured better. That's just me spitballing tho. I don't have access to the PTS otherwise I would actually test this stuff

(Bear in mind I left out striker for easier math)

I can try to math out striker real quick hold up (again this is just me spitballing)

[astral kraken]

well it'll def making it better because it's a bonus. question is if it's worth it vs something else.

[strong cave]

Me, personally, I'd probably just use Ceska + holster and take Bloc weapons with measured

I've been liking the feel of the AKM lately due to the modifiers

[subtle bluff]

Great I'll need to add how DPS works in my infographic..

[hoary atlas]

When you Refuse to Die

[strong cave]

48 FPS

Oooooooof

[hoary atlas]

GTX 1650 😭

With Ryzen 5 4600h

[strong cave]

Why not use a custom graphics config to dumb down basically everything without losing quality of the game?

[hoary atlas]

Im already use Optimized setting

[subtle bluff]

Go to 720 and you'll be fine.

also tank in incursion isn't the way

[magic pilot]

I have a custom video setting file if you want it

[strong cave]

Damn so even with a custom graphics config you're only hitting that? That's super rough

[magic pilot]

There's more stuff you can change not in game

[hoary atlas]

Nah use for Support with 4 player on Legendary and Master

[subtle bluff]

I just see you in incursion that's all I'm saying

[strong cave]

☝️ this. There's a graphics config inside your documents folder that you can change settings in there that aren't available in the game menu

[hoary atlas]

Nah i did test on incursion makesure work to support 4 player on Legendary and Master

[hoary atlas]

Also i did Overclock Graphic

[subtle bluff]

that'build isn't a support tank. That's a shield that won't go downw.

support tanks can do more than just stand around.

[hoary atlas]

I see

[subtle bluff]

the problem of tanks in div is you can't hold agro

if you want a test go to DUA leggo

incursion first section isn't that bad.

[hoary atlas]

Im actually cant do full damage role only i can is survivability

[subtle bluff]

which only help yourself

[hoary atlas]

Only these two im use for survivability

[subtle bluff]

ok?

The left side one is solo build. Do not use that in a group

[hoary atlas]

Gloves one ?

[subtle bluff]

Memento

[hoary atlas]

Gloves one is Group ?

[strong cave]

I'd strip a blue core off your overdogs build. And with memento for solo, I'd argue just taking all striker pieces as blue

[subtle bluff]

Memento is only powerful if out can get it's stacks up and stay up

In solo works but in group is hard to do unless your hard carrying

[hoary atlas]

The memento one im use for Retaliation

Im waiting New Gear set have Perfect Obliterate

[strong cave]

I'd argue nimble holster will be more viable than Memento for retaliation

[hoary atlas]

I don't have Nimble Holster

[strong cave]

Enemies don't shoot you going cover to cover as is and the massive Regen you get for so little effort is perfect for the open world

[hoary atlas]

Are Nimble Holster Drop random ?

[strong cave]

You can target loot Holsters in countdown OR retaliation

Or, you can keep playing retal and get the blueprint and craft it

[hoary atlas]

I see, thanks for Tips. Im gonna get Nimble Holster Blueprints

[strong cave]

Good luck, you got this 👌 it's a great exotic, I recommend it bigtime for all content

[hoary atlas]

[hoary atlas]

And i got no luck To get Blueprints nimble holster after retaliation against Outcast

[cloud laurel]

It’s depends on the players and how well they used it, I’ve used memento like almost all the time without the healer in leg.

[sage hare]

I tried making my own sniper build.

[amber crater]

having only 1 pc Striker doesn't really give you any benefit 🤔

[sage hare]

i just dont have any mask to change it to

so i just used the only one i had

[wraith zealot]

hit countdown/retal/summit for hotshot set, it'll work better than... that.