td2-build-advice

[chrome cradle]

Still gonna use bullet king

[astral kraken]

based chad goat

[chrome cradle]

My boy goated and swaggy

[subtle bluff]

Naw use it. Just saying to you're comment about BK being superior..

[hexed steppe]

Nego bs FTW!

I love how the npcs had no choice but to keep marking themselves

[chrome cradle]

That’s cuz it is

[silent storm]

Yeah look how fast that reload was and he didn't even have the Weapon Handling boost Tipping Scales gives

[subtle bluff]

Explain your thought.

[silent storm]

Same thing with Bulletking, put 9.5% CHC on it

[chrome cradle]

No reload= more time for dopamine and more fun

[hexed steppe]

Bluescreen is 😍
Nego is 😍
Local is 👴
Wait, what...

[subtle bluff]

That's not superior then. It's just more fun?

But then also watching everyone get CC and I can keep shooting and not have to take cover is pretty fun too.

Wow my English isn't working today with my typing.

[silent storm]

If you want dopamine get this gun. Frenzy go BRRRRRZZT

[chrome cradle]

I have no idea what that is

[solar sable]

wait wait wait

[chrome cradle]

No bullet king? Not interested

[silent storm]

Third Attribute, reconfigure to CHC @solar sable

[solar sable]

third talent? WHAT?!

[silent storm]

Sorry Division has 3 talents and I still think that way sometimes

For now though I am having some fun with this build

[chrome cradle]

I’m gonna pull a funny and make a tots build

With my minigun it should be fun

[astral kraken]

@chrome cradle

I gotchu fam. Don't listen to these HATERS. Get that dopamine

[chrome cradle]

BULLET KING SUPREMACY

[solar sable]

LMFAO

[hexed steppe]

Yall need more mortar in your life, js

[subtle bluff]

🐧 💥 Mortar

https://youtu.be/g6M3RNqPrus?si=nS3Cq-JTzAUAdflz

[hexed steppe]

😎

[astral kraken]

Playing with localdeck can be described as trying to aim an AK while sitting in a canoe during a storm.

[astral kraken]

the goat... er... pengu...

I need to dig up that one video porphy made with music. It was so hype.

[hexed steppe]

I brake for Penguins

[subtle bluff]

@fair dragon Mortar
Lol

[astral kraken]

Actually I think it was like a super cut of that exact mission

[fair dragon]

Hmm

I hath awoken

[magic pilot]

I need it if you still have it

[glossy rover]

Yeah I got it

[magic pilot]

Hoping on rn

[silent storm]

I just thought of the best build. Tinkerer Tipping Scales with Smart Cover and Sanitation. Pop Sanitation, use Smart Cover and then just blast everything down from Smart Cover

[subtle bluff]

"Best" is subjective.

[silent storm]

I am building it right now and about to test it

Also I am going to use Rifles instead of LMG

Rifleman and Luckyshot

[subtle bluff]

uh why did you reply to that with that?

[silent storm]

Fortified or Precision that is the question

[subtle bluff]

looks like I'm muting this channel for a few...

[silent storm]

Going to try it out yourself I see huh

Sanitation gives you Skill Tier 6 then you pop Smart Cover and jump in and start blasting

Sounds good

[silent storm]

Hey guy

[magic pilot]

watching you craft

[silent storm]

I'm putting it all together check my build

[magic pilot]

im gone already

[silent storm]

Going to be monsterous

Need to get some flags though as my Rifle isn't maxxed yet

[magic pilot]

so close

[silent storm]

Yeah it was so low to start but it had the Dttooc and I haven't gotten a better one

Probably put 100 flags into it already for that and still need like 120 more

UIC15 MOD2 though, great rifle

Thing is stable from the gate and with TS stacks is a hitscan weapon

Mods on it

[silent storm]

I smart cover a skill that procs Companion?

[hexed steppe]

Stop watching YouTube
Jk, but seriously sounds like something i saw pop up earlier 👀

[verbal gust]

I didn’t know Scorpio got nerfed and I just made a PfE build. Sad. Using your haz pro build having a blast localdeck tho in countdown just made my day maybe my week. Farming global event stars never been so easy.

[agile citrus]

some people had some comments about my mantis build. this btw, is what it looks like when you "change chest talent and gun choice" this is used to carry lego, and has many shepherds

[gentle lichen]

Splendid

[agile citrus]

wrong stat spread. that was bh, this was mantis. visual doesnt change, but cc and cd are altered to support 50% cc on lex/scorpio or "insert x weapon choice" with 10% cc mod value

[fervent ore]

Which non exotic smg have the highest rof??

[hexed steppe]

Probably vector variants. Pinned sheet has a weapons tab that gives a ton of info including rof

[subtle bluff]

Tac Vectors

[gloomy spruce]

Number 2 set would be the P90 Series at 1,100 RPM followed by the SMG 9s at 1,000 RPM

[foggy imp]

@patent fossil

[gentle lichen]

looks good

[patent fossil]

Yeah the bottom right icon on everything except that smg and coyotes shows you are proficient

[magic pilot]

Shd 280 with a godly striker setup

Where are these players when I want to MM

[foggy imp]

I normally run the overdog gloves instead of coyote but I got lucky with how fast it came together

@magic pilot also are you still open to help me this weekend for tinkerer ? Ran it 10 more times and nothing

[silent storm]

It's my revamped Baker's Dozen build. Now with tier 6 Smart Cover and Rifleman. Had a guy that gave bonus armor with shield deploy in my group last night and with that and my Smart Cover on 6 red core had almost 2 mil armor lol.

[astral kraken]

Nice!

[foggy imp]

Overdog is still preferred but throw Coyote on for countdown if group doesn’t use it

[astral kraken]

You’re a pro

[magic pilot]

Definitely

Can probably do it today, I'm pretty available

[gentle lichen]

hi pretty i'm available

[foggy imp]

Only a pro now because I run glass cannon 😎

@gentle lichen @magic pilot would greatly appreciate it. Can be on in an hour or whenever you guys are free

[magic pilot]

I won't be on until about 4 hours from now

[foggy imp]

Okay I’ll make that work.

[foggy imp]

How do you get your gear stuff to 30 like that on the bottom right

[magic pilot]

Expertise

[subtle bluff]

Playing the game a lot.

[foggy imp]

Any advice on how to get there decently quick effectively if I don’t use anything other than the same weapons and armor

[magic pilot]

Use other weapons and armor lol

[foggy imp]

You have to ? Haha can’t donate materials or anything like that to upgrade the same stuff

[magic pilot]

You can it's just going to take a lot longer only by donation

There's a lot of items that aren't easy to farm to donate, and exotics aren't worth donating imo

[foggy imp]

So if I wanted the st Elmo to 30 I would need to donate a ton of them lol

[violet juniper]

yeah, if you only donated

[amber crater]

you need to get your expertise level to 30 to be able to upgrade St Elmo to lvl 30, you can upgrade to the level of your experise

[violet juniper]

which it's really recommended to not do.

[magic pilot]

20 of them to be exact

That's just to be proficient with Elmo's, there's 2 ranking systems

Each item has an individual proficiency level, then you have an overall level which is expertise level. To get to 30 expertise you need to be proficient with almost every item in the game

If you absolutely midmax your gameplay and grind expertise + expertise events you can hit 30 around 150 hours of gameplay

[foggy imp]

Videos recommend donating paper because it’s easy to break down gear mods to get lots of them. But could have been a bad video lol @magic pilot

[magic pilot]

No that's true, but it's still extremely time consuming

Printer filaments, and the 2 grey materials

[foggy imp]

I mean I feel like this game is in general but don’t like switching builds that im not used to running

[magic pilot]

Definitely that's the whole point lol

Playing casually going for max expertise I would expect it to take over 350 hours of playing

[hearty owl]

🤯

[magic pilot]

@foggy imp @gentle lichen You both on?

[foggy imp]

I’m on

[magic pilot]

Master?

[foggy imp]

I don’t think I can do it just me and you but we can try

[magic pilot]

Definitely can dw lol

[foggy imp]

At the mission area. Should I do match making and join in?

[gentle lichen]

ohhh

good timing i just came back with a blueberry smoothie :3

[foggy imp]

I’m ready to try and get this dang mission done haha

@gentle lichen @magic pilot I’m in the matchmaking for the mission

[gentle lichen]

just add me its in my bio

[magic pilot]

Gotta add me as well

[cloud sluice]

Finally unlocked my last specialisation, Best build for Firewall? 🤔

[foggy imp]

I sent you one.

[restive silo]

Hi guys! Getting back into TD2 i saw the pinned Spreadsheet for some builds to look at. Should i only go for the "Y7 S2" builds, or doesnt matter wich one?

[foggy imp]

@magic pilot @gentle lichen First try no way haha

[subtle bluff]

HF

[magic pilot]

Nice you got it?

[foggy imp]

Hell yeah @magic pilot golden bullet made that way easy

[gentle lichen]

yeahh too easy lol

[magic pilot]

Good I sucked so bad lmao

You can tell I haven't played controller in a hot minute

[foggy imp]

Lmao thank you both so much for the help. Spent two days grinding that damn helmet

[magic pilot]

Np

[cerulean smelt]

doesn't matter honestly

[subtle bluff]

Not a lot of changes have happened to where updating all the time.

[restive silo]

Alrighty, ty.

[subtle bluff]

Good question! There's a good starter guide to farming you can find.

[cloud sluice]

Ok thanks I'll try that 👍

[cloud sluice]

Best shotgun for Hunter's Fury? 🤔

[worn imp]

you doing headhunters fury?

or just critmaxed hunters fury?

[cloud sluice]

All red

[worn imp]

okay lemme narrow this down: youre not going for a headhunter build? I:E u dont use headhunter talent on your chest piece, right?

[cloud sluice]

No only for determined sniper builds

[worn imp]

I really like the named shotgun Tsunami. The DPS is great and the magazine ammo economy is good as it replenishes the mag every 2nd kill

[cloud sluice]

Don't have an optimised one but I do have the black market sasg 12 replica

[solar sable]

m870

[subtle bluff]

Wish it did more.

[worn imp]

try to get a tsunami, the differance in efficiency due to needing 1 less kill to proc Pummel (perfect pummel) is great

[subtle bluff]

Or ksg

[solar sable]

or that yeah

[subtle bluff]

12rds kills 12 things. Ok 8 things at least if you’re not stuck in the matrix like me….

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342291031219245136/1374276943339458560/head_movement.gif

[worn imp]

KSG is really nice as you basically get more than twice the amount of shells in the mag for less than 8% less dmg than the other high power shotties @cloud sluice

[subtle bluff]

BLAH I forget I have forward that one now…

[cloud sluice]

Needs work

[worn imp]

hey chow can you help explain something to me

[subtle bluff]

I mean I can one shot things without HS. Only using HF Crit build

[worn imp]

more than adequate, just change swap speed to DTOOC

[subtle bluff]

Meep?

[worn imp]

How come when I test the DPS of the same SVD sniper with and without a +10% HSD sight, without any crits in the volley of shots, I get the exact same number of DPS with and without the sight???

[cloud sluice]

I farmed a lot of named items including shotguns from the Houndsman bounties so need to field test the one's recommend 👍

[worn imp]

ur gonna love tsunami

[subtle bluff]

DPS? Or bullet dmg?

[worn imp]

dps

tested rigorously and precisely. no alterants that could skew results, no headhunter, no crits, only headshots

is the game wrong?

[subtle bluff]

I’d say go shoot guys instead of the range

[cloud sluice]

Ok thanks guys I'll work on optimising and recalibrating my Tsunami and KSG

[worn imp]

whats wrong with the range bruhhhh

[subtle bluff]

Range could be doing it’s thing of being dumb

[worn imp]

typical...

[subtle bluff]

Yup

[worn imp]

well is there a website i can use to do this without having to use 200% of my brain to get a number that doesnt factor in crits

[worn imp]

dont forget u want DTooC for ur tsunami

[subtle bluff]

Spreadsheets

We were making one but then got busy sorry.

[worn imp]

wut? i wanna see the DPS with my specific setup, how will a spreadsheet help me

[subtle bluff]

Math it out?

[worn imp]

oh i see. dude F this. for a game so obsessed with numbers, in-game calculations like this have to work

[subtle bluff]

I mean we have the DPS sheet in the pinned messages

DPS on MMR’s isn’t something we normally do since it’s lower RPM.

[worn imp]

yeah but can I cater it for my specific setup?

[subtle bluff]

It uses in-game dmg number that you do

[worn imp]

SVD for frantic combat in close quarters

[subtle bluff]

Sounds bad.

[worn imp]

its good. 15 mil DPS

without headhunter, no crits

[subtle bluff]

Is that with the range DPS or the spreadsheet/math

[worn imp]

range..... 😡

[subtle bluff]

Range DPS is off.

Use the spreadsheet it’s easy to use.

[worn imp]

damage per shot is 2,96 mil per shot on headshot

can we calculate dps easily based on that one number?

[worn imp]

is the damage per shot at least accurate??

[subtle bluff]

Use the spreadsheet in the pinned message. Plz stop making me repeat myself with this.

[worn imp]

k

[subtle bluff]

The “Body” you can use HS to that get DPS for it

[worn imp]

for the range, is this the case tho? just asking for the sake of convenience

[magic pilot]

yea multiply by shots per second

[worn imp]

ok ty

[urban latch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FaDDfFIqOgdTfceG2ByFvmgStZ6K7whC-7LdND6WXL0/edit?usp=drivesdk

With this you just input 4 super simple numbers, what you hit for a crit, non crit, rpm, and crit chance. Its setup to be as simple as possible

[worn imp]

thanks but ill just use GPT to do it super fast. Will just have a copypasta of the following and then insert numbers: "If my damage is X mil per shot, and my fire rate is X RPM, what is my DPS?" it already ofc knows to convert RPM to RPS

[magic pilot]

yea i dont think you need chatgpt for that

[worn imp]

i know youre right lol

[magic pilot]

rpm/60 is rps

[worn imp]

lol thats not what i use it for, just as a speed calculator

already know how to convert X/min to X/sec

[magic pilot]

bro is costing thousands of dollars to ask chat gpt basic multiplication questions lol

[subtle bluff]

Raucey made that sheet very well!

[worn imp]

I am. The f-ing billionares deserve to finance some bloat here and there when they're pocketing billions themselves.

nah im trolling lol i dont use GPT xD

[magic pilot]

it always trickles down to the little guy dont forget

[worn imp]

btw random ahh question, how many SHD calibrations do optimization caches give?

[urban latch]

turning to a chat bot that constantly makes shit up to do your critical thinking for you is a terrible habit to get into

[worn imp]

Agreed

[onyx sage]

this is so sad. alexa play closer by ne-yo

[silent storm]

I have a super advanced program that figures out DPS for me

[tidal swan]

please elaborate

[tidal swan]

that indeed is a super advanced program that does calculations

[silent storm]

I wasn't lying

[astral kraken]

mine is better

[subtle bluff]

I mean if math is "super advanced" for you sure I guess.
Also me calling you a gaslighter is show up more and more.

[silent storm]

My abacus got destroyed in the floods of 1742

[subtle bluff]

How does a minitank use this?

[onyx sage]

by flipping the stones, duh

[subtle bluff]

How the one that's a mintank flip stones?

[astral kraken]

i use my mounted machine gun

also my neck articulates if you havent noticed

[flat halo]

Hey everyone, what’s the best build for lmg, a strong and powerful one

My secondary would be oro Boris

[subtle bluff]

There isn't best overall.

Strikers will always work with any high RPM weapon.
TS is more specific good with LMG doesn't need high RPM weapon like ouro doesn't help it.
ND is reallly good for LMG if you get down it's gameplay.

[flat halo]

Yeah I just wanna melt elites with my blue screen but only hitting for 700k

[subtle bluff]

how would you use Bluescreen and ouro?

Bluescreen burst DPS isn't as strong has it's Stained turn to mag size and it's talents and mods aren't DMG related.

[onyx sage]

easily

[silent storm]

Is Ongoing Directive with a Vile Mask a thing?

[subtle bluff]

Only in Pesti Triple Tick.

[silent storm]

I thought Pesti was WD only

[subtle bluff]

That's correct. Again the name of the build is called "Triple Tick Pesti" for all the reasons.

Pesti, Vile, PGC, OD

[silent storm]

What about Trauma?

I guess it would be pointless since it is bleed and blind

[subtle bluff]

Also it's one target and goes on CD vs 30% to all sources of out doing damage....

[silent storm]

And OD chest is better

[subtle bluff]

Try again.

[silent storm]

PGC is better than OD Chest?

[subtle bluff]

Pesti, Vile, PGC and OD. Stats Effect > CHC.

Context

Talents works with each other....

[silent storm]

Backbone instead of PGC?

5 more WD and more DPS

Plus you will not have 60% DMG taken

[subtle bluff]

You really don't read everything I type do you..

[silent storm]

Backbone is 35% when ramped up

[subtle bluff]

☝️ Your ideas vs PGC

[silent storm]

And Hollowpoint does more DMG with chest

[subtle bluff]

Pesti, Vile, PGC and OD. Stats Effect > CHC.
Why is called Triple Tick...

You're gonna make me repeat myself over and over again aren't you...

[silent storm]

No it doesn't sound like a fun build

[subtle bluff]

People like it. It's build and named for a reason.

[silent storm]

Not enough to put it into the google sheet though so not really interested

[subtle bluff]

google sheet or spreadsheet?
but it has.

[silent storm]

D2 gear spreadsheet

[subtle bluff]

It's was in pesti guide just hasn't put back into there.

Hold 5 I can fix that.

[silent storm]

ok

The question is though is it worth it?

Tell you what though, this build has been more fun than it should be

[magic pilot]

Backbone is total weapon damage, PGC is an amp, backbone doesn't buff the bleed or vile ticks, PGC does.

[silent storm]

ok

[magic pilot]

OD chest is 50% amp dmg but only for weapon dmg

[subtle bluff]

Uhh? What context is this for?

[magic pilot]

Doesn't buff pesti ticks, vile or bleed

[silent storm]

Making the build

[magic pilot]

It just depends what content you want to play

Like it's not something I would take in the incursion

[subtle bluff]

Updated the Guide with it but it's WIP section

[silent storm]

I mean I do everything except Conflict honestly

They should bring Last Stand to D2 with Survival

[magic pilot]

It's really good in summit, since the spawns are more condensed and the ticks can spread easier. Holds up well with a lot of directives too

[silent storm]

It'd be cool if they revamped Survival so that you can use loadouts in it by calling in a drop

But honestly I just got Vile and was wondering about it with OD but kinda lost interest in it as I don't think I would use it to it's potential

[flat halo]

Meant to say I switch between them lol

[astral kraken]

that's the go-to for bluescreen

[magic pilot]

I'm using this with st Elmo. It's the first time I've used it since it got nerfed awhile back. Super nice for open world because of the handling and magsize

[subtle bluff]

What you seen what this can do?

[astral kraken]

i still like elmo on glass striker. the extra mag and cc it provides makes up for the dps loss. for me at least.

ran lexi for a while but switched back

[subtle bluff]

I love Iron Lung

[magic pilot]

Yea I saw your clip

[astral kraken]

iron lung is so fkn based, love it too

[magic pilot]

I run Lexington with measured, sometimes iron lung or measured mg5

[subtle bluff]

I need to try MG5 measured.

[astral kraken]

lexi measured was what i ran too. i just had so many moments where i needed just a few more shots to pop a weak point or something.

[silent storm]

Here is a thought question I just had pop into my head. Does Advanced Materiel add bonus DMG to Capacitor since you are Skill Tier 6 while it is active? And can you use it on a 6 red core build to play DPS and Skill DPS at the same time every other minute?

[magic pilot]

I haven't ran bluescreen much, might try for open world

[magic pilot]

Yea I think so

[subtle bluff]

I don't think bluescreen is too good in solo. But groups and where you have a lot of ads or healthy boys it's amazing.

[silent storm]

Oh man is Striker about to be a god? Can I make a DPS tier 6 Capacitor Striker build?

We need some Math Gurus on this. What is the optimal Skill Damage amount on gear compared to Weapon Damage and CHD for an Advanced Materiel Striker build with Capacitor. Fenris Chest with Obliterate, Overdogs or BTSU with Stinger Hive? Man this build could be unstoppable if kitted out right

And why are there no Skill Damage gear mods? Haste is pointless on so many skills, give me a global Skill Damage mod

[obtuse crystal]

@unborn cobalt this is what is recommended to people that are new get the gear by farming countdown for it you can target to whatever you want by holding a button idk what it is what you play on look at the bottom of your map while youre hovering over it it looks right a green circle with lines on it

[proper sigil]

What’s the best hunter’s fury loadout?

[gentle lichen]

Crit or headshot?

[proper sigil]

crit

[gentle lichen]

Can't go wrong with 4 hunter ceska chest and memento
Depends if you want intim or obliterate but intim is huge damage

[meager fog]

In the pinned google doc, all the information is there

[agile citrus]

I was looking for the enemy hp value chart, and stumbled on this. https://buildstation.app/ just fine tuning BH build to hit minimum elite 4 man H enemy.
Inputed the build and was wondering inconsistencys in 2025, as the final tab reported "watch not calculated yet"
https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/BKIT3znu

[strong cave]

That's been a thing here for a while. It's basically mxswat's build tool but more for visualistic people

[agile citrus]

It was very helpful as this is how I learned div. Just curious if watch is included.

[strong cave]

Speaking of mxswat build tool, is this Backfire Striker Hazpro still worth looking into? I'm very bored and wanna try it. Missed my chance the other season because it looked too easy with the modifiers then

[strong cave]

mxswat's tool considers watch

[shy willow]

Imo at the point you run hazpro you're better off with another gun

Where backfire really shines you don't need hazpro at all tbh

Beautiful in the incursion specifically in my experience

[strong cave]

Correct. You ain't wrong in that

I was thinking along the lines of turning my brain off and guns blazing legendary 😂 I need some chaos

[subtle bluff]

NPC HP is in the gearsheet

[agile citrus]

Thank you. Posting link, for tempt provision https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jB1s_5IaWPkkXqR-aQibJMdE78sm4TmNPCMFYJ0fOFc/edit?gid=1182003885#gid=1182003885

I cant alter my build, as the min cap of 150% for HH hits 17m min, without signigcant gear or stat investment. <heroic 4 man: elite hp value - 16,905,653>

[torn shale]

Anyone that has a nice rifle build? if so please share im looking for one! thank you

[magic pilot]

Crit or headshot

[torn shale]

think crit but if you dont mind sharing both that would be nice. im a returning player so im sure i have grinding to do (:

[digital olive]

hows this or can i improve it

[bright raptor]

pick one gearset or the other, right now you have lots of rate of fire but nothing else going for your setup

[digital olive]

im just a bit bored of strikers so i wanted to try another set

[cloud laurel]

No, backfire striker with hazpro is trash period.

[cloud laurel]

Get rid of Ninja backpack and you will see your improvement

[strong cave]

Figured as much. The season for that build is over

[cloud laurel]

Not even with season either, I’ve been full red without hazpro since the beginning of dawn. I’m jk but I’ve played since they buffed and there are way to counter bleed yet keep your dmg shine

[tired falcon]

if you're bored with striker, then have you tried an lmg & smg Tipping Scales loadout?
for example:
overdogs gloves (or a different exotic such as Centurion)
liquid engineer backpack
tipping scales
mg5 (or a similar lmg) and backfire
no hazpro (not needed)

[cloud laurel]

TS w/o backpack is pretty dead weight on dps. GC + overdog or overdog + turmoil and be a RAMBO lol

[magic pilot]

And tipping chest is not great lol

[cloud laurel]

Overdog and turmoil = RAMBO because all you see is he’s killing everyone even they’re hiding lol TS chest need to be 4 pcs anyway

Have you watch Rambo?

[gentle lichen]

i'd be more inclined to use a negotiator's with overdogs if your goal is killing hidden enemies

[hexed steppe]

Negodogs goated 🐐

[gentle lichen]

overtiator's

[cloud laurel]

I’m not good at mark them I like to shoot without thinking lol

But dw, I’ve nego

[hexed steppe]

Dogs dilemma

[subtle bluff]

4pcs OD, Ceska w/wicked and tinkerer, overdogs, coyote or really w/e. Then weapons wise any rifles with sadist.

There's a guide for OD in the Build Hub in Gearsheet that's in the Pinned Mesages

[subtle bluff]

He asked for a Crit one!

Also throw in 2x Breaking Point vs zoo

[coral reef]

i never understood the use of that holster

[solar sable]

DCH?

[coral reef]

it only works for one shot... i mean, its good for like one or two bosses in a raid and thats it?

after that nuke shot, you have to charge it again

is there another build for the Regulus? I would love to use it, preferably without the old 1-shot glitch

[astral kraken]

It's used primarily for spawns not bosses. After the first shot chainkiller kicks in.

[subtle bluff]

Like purple said it's to instantly stack your HH.

[astral kraken]

And if it's a boss... well it's one boss. One shot. Done.

[subtle bluff]

Also an OG build was using DHC with Orbit and taking a killer every 30s to get the buff.

[astral kraken]

What I like about the build I posted is it's more like an optional utility. Primary is the 1886 but if you see a spawn closet then you have a pistol all charged up for it.

[subtle bluff]

2x breaking point is much better than 2x zoo btw

[astral kraken]

I prefer zoo for the mag size. Damage is enough for how I use it.

I want as much ammo in that reg as possible lol

[astral kraken]

Yea I've used the BP version before. I'm able to reach the damage thresholds for one tapping so it's moot.

Eagle's Grasp gives me the 15% handling so the difference becomes damage vs mag size basically.

Also, if I want to use DCH and Chainkiller I have to give up Punch Drunk or Fox's.

[subtle bluff]

I've done it all. I get it.

[coral reef]

honestly did not know this

[onyx sage]

i also prefer zoo over tidal

[winged prism]

i use this allll the time running executions, insanely efficient

[astral kraken]

1886 is SO satisfying when everything lands.

[astral kraken]

You have to admit Zoo is the only mission that still feels like legendary these days.

I'd give anything for more missions like it!

[fair dragon]

I like Zoo just for my penguin friends

But Tidal is life

[jade sphinx]

I'm no expert at this game, just got 70 hours into it and reached SHD 100. ...This is my..."build." I typically go for LMG/AR suppression, crowd control, and DPS, the shield is either braced or reflector, other skill slot has consistently been cluster seekers.

The armor set I have is mixed from another loadout which maximizes full shield and armor health to tank enemy aggro, since I run shields I kept it in with a few damage focused armor pieces.

[cloud laurel]

No just NO! Bulwark 4 pieces is so much better or full HB. 4 pcs of HB would be better than bulwark. No not mixed

[astral kraken]

Pick a build from this list and start with that:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nOwUSECa-1iLhET-mW04u6oMBdIdMjFjB2Ie25ziEA/edit?tab=t.0

What you have isn't really a build. It's just assorted pieces that don't make sense together.

[astral kraken]

Did you make these?

[subtle bluff]

Or if you really want to use HB here. You can use memento for it still.

[subtle bluff]

Mostly @versed summit I only made the FI and opinions on the others.

[astral kraken]

I really like them. Good job on that guys.

The notes are great and better than just showing build pieces.

[subtle bluff]

Thanks. Needs to update them but I actually don't like showing pieces for pieces of builds.

Yeah I just started to make a building dps guide.

That goes into all the dps builds.

[silver topaz]

Trying to Build some Sort of 4 Piece Striker High DPS But tanky too.

for PVP and PVE

[subtle bluff]

Posted that above

[subtle bluff]

Can't do both well.

It's one or another. Same with Tanky DPS

[strong cave]

There is one build for both PvE and PvP, but it's still niche and has use in one stretch of PvP content. That would be dark zone. Blue armor striker + memento backpack + EB is the go to PvP dz loadout for solos

For conflict that would be umbra of some sort or some sort of capacitor build. Usually both combined

[foggy imp]

What are the 3 best gear mods to look for or equip for the reviver hive

[subtle bluff]

There isn't anything special for it.

[astral kraken]

Reviver Armor Repair and Range. Rest don't matter.

And even those aren't important. Just equip them if you have them.

[foggy imp]

Thank you

[strong cave]

Health would help as well. An explosion or an enemy targeting the hive can still bust the hive. Health helps against that

[worn imp]

Is there a semi auto sniper that doesnt have dogwater recoil and bloom spread besides SVD?

[subtle bluff]

no

[fiery gust]

Handbasket.

[worn imp]

Regular SVD is better DPS wise tho, right?

assuming im not proccing headhunter

[fiery gust]

Unsure on that. Not having to unscope is great, though.

[worn imp]

i see

[magic pilot]

no

[fiery gust]

What are you using it for?

[worn imp]

when enemies push or when i gotta output damage to a boss and dont have headhunter ready

[fiery gust]

Oh, so you don't want something slow then. M1A is probably your best bet.

It's a rifle, but still hits hard.

[magic pilot]

no fox is crazy

[subtle bluff]

MMR's do not do DPS well.
Rifles can do DPS.

[worn imp]

bro its just to sad that i gotta go outta my way to use a weapon with dogwater core stat (crit damage)

[subtle bluff]

Why are you trying to do Crit on MMR when it's 2nd stats is a ton of HSD?

[worn imp]

Lmfao i am not trying to do crit on MMR u misunderstand

[fiery gust]

I think he was saying M1A has a crit implicit, which is unfortunate.

[worn imp]

yes

[worn imp]

Im getting 0 value from crit damage and a ton of value from HSD on MMRs, youre telling me that DPS is still better with rifles on this setup even tho their core stat of CHD is redundant?

[subtle bluff]

Then why do you keep using DPS with MMR's?

[astral kraken]

shotgun

[worn imp]

hmm. might work

[astral kraken]

it does work. its your only option really.

you can also run dch with a pistol for popping boss weak points

[fiery gust]

For raw DPS, probably. MMRs hit hard, so they're mostly for HH/Determined builds. If you want consistent DPS, rifles are better.

[astral kraken]

and then switch to shotty for the finish

overall though i'd recommend avoiding determined for certain places b/c it just wont work well

[worn imp]

this is the DPS with SVD without any talent interfering in the values and no crit

isnt that pretty good?

[subtle bluff]

DPS is Damge Per Second. MMR's since the rpm so low it's not a really factor. You can count bit MMR's things are one shots HS.

[astral kraken]

yea "dps" and "mmr" dont make sense together

[worn imp]

still. 260 RPM

but like, with the amount of MMR damage i have in my build. Wouldnt just pelting a boss in the head with SVD be good damage?

[fiery gust]

M1A will out DPS it hands down.

[astral kraken]

depends on the boss my dude

[worn imp]

sadge.

[subtle bluff]

If you wanted to do that use BH.. There's a lot more DPS in there.

[astral kraken]

what boss are you talking about? and how many players in the group?

[subtle bluff]

If you want to do hard hitting bullets DPS rifles.

[fiery gust]

I'm guessing he means for just standard gameplay. Open world, missions, etc. If that's the case, I don't have any issues with Determined/HH 99.99% of the time.

And when I do have an issue, it's usually my fault.

[astral kraken]

That's why I asked. Determined will do fine with almost every type of enemy in the game. There are special cases (like Hunters) where their HP is so high that it won't work. But in those cases just don't use an MMR build.

[subtle bluff]

Retal I think it'd have some issues with Kill Squads

[astral kraken]

Rogue agent encounters are another one where MMR Determined is bad.

[worn imp]

i dont use determined, its point n click cheese that requires 0 aim skill

*determined

[astral kraken]

Nope. I one tap them all. For chungas I leave them for last, pop helmet, and finish.

[subtle bluff]

But that's what determined does.......

[worn imp]

In what universe would UIC be better for my build for the odd short range engagements that flare up?

[astral kraken]

Determined has a high skill ceiling if you play aggressively. If you sit in the very very back and wait for things to come into view then it's super slow anyway.

[worn imp]

eh not my cup of tea i guess. i like to shoot heads

[astral kraken]

That's good! Nothing wrong with having a prefered play style 🙂

[subtle bluff]

We just need to know. Context!

[astral kraken]

You might like the Mantis actually.

[fiery gust]

Probably never. Pretty sure you'd always be better off with an M1A honestly. It's just too solid.

[worn imp]

???? look at the numbers.

[subtle bluff]

what's your build?

[worn imp]

@subtle bluff

[subtle bluff]

Also you're looking at USC .45 not a UIC..

[worn imp]

oh lol mb

[fiery gust]

SVD handles like dog compared to the M1A iirc. The USC is not even comparable to the M1A.

[subtle bluff]

There's a lot going on here. Can we just start over for context stake. Like what kind of playstyle you're wanting to use what how do you want to build to work?

[worn imp]

So the handling is the dealbreaker in this case here:

[fiery gust]

From my understanding, he wanted a solid secondary for when HH wasn't up. Hence me recommending the M1A for a hard hitting, fast firing, easy to control secondary.

[subtle bluff]

Take both of them out and shoot them at the range and see which one you're able to stay on target.

[worn imp]

pretty much

[fiery gust]

There's a reason it's widely used on several builds.

[subtle bluff]

I mean also.... Your SVD is max stats and has Exp 16 on it where the m1a very much isn't.

[worn imp]

eh 30% differance or so in damage. the fire rate differance is the same

[subtle bluff]

um...

[worn imp]

and the ROF differance is enormous

[fiery gust]

The M1A isn't modded either btw.

[astral kraken]

Shotgun is the only answer IMO. If it's an enemy that's tanky enough to nullify determined then an M1A won't help much.

[worn imp]

will weapon mods change the DMG number on the image?

wait is the inventory damage number not a good measurement for dmg when contrasting it to ROF?

[subtle bluff]

Dont' forget you have your Hotshot build on which is also boosting the dmg number

[worn imp]

i know this game does BS like this, so gotta make sure

[fiery gust]

Damage? Nothing directly. However, things like +5 ammo and such is worth adding.

Again, there's a reason nobody uses SVD on their builds and tons of people use the M1A.

[worn imp]

ye i know. i wanna keep the pieces exactly as they are and pick the next best thing for close range DPS if it's needed in a given situuation

[fiery gust]

This is certainly an option for close range. Kind of more niche, though.

[worn imp]

this. i gotta know

[astral kraken]

Niche how?

[fiery gust]

Very close range for starters. You're not going to even consider it unless they're in your face. In contrast, the M1A can be used at any range. It's solid regardless.

Not discrediting your suggestion because there's nothing wrong with it in the right situations, but it's definitely not as flexible.

[subtle bluff]

Let's do the compare right. Base.

[worn imp]

in my case i really dont wanna change any of the pieces, so thats why im considering a semi auto MMR to be a possibly better DPS option for my gear setup than a rifle. comprende?

[astral kraken]

Any time you use an M1A you might as well just use the MMR.

[fiery gust]

No, not true at all.

[astral kraken]

Give me one example when this isn't true...

[worn imp]

ROF is more than 50% higher on SVD tho. To what i can see, this isnt taken into account as a metric here

[astral kraken]

Pick a mission, encounter, activity, anything.

[subtle bluff]

I am not post DPS without the rest of the build being built.

[fiery gust]

He isn't running Determined for starters. So if he doesn't have HH up, the M1A will be infinitely better than a shotgun at any range besides on you. The MMR isn't feasible to be trying to hit headshots when they're riding you and beating you off compared to even just blind firing your M1A. He isn't necessarily trying to proc HH, more so just doing damage and surviving while potentially clearing some ads and creating space.

[worn imp]

the point about M1a being a better option if I dont have HH up is an intelligent observation!

[fiery gust]

That said, yes, a shotgun would also work if they're on top of you. However, personally, I'd always opt for the M1A on the build he is running. It's far superior overall.

[astral kraken]

If he doesn't have HH up then he should be working on getting HH up. Otherwise don't run HH.

If an enemy is close enough to be a threat then use a shotgun. If it's a big boss then use a shotgun.

If it's a warhound then use a shotgun.

[fiery gust]

That isn't the argument or debate here. "Git gud" isn't reasonable advice. He was asking for a secondary specifically.

[astral kraken]

You are doing damage per pellet.

[astral kraken]

confused pikachu face

Who said git gud? If you have an MMR with headhunter then... use the MMR with headhunter.

[fiery gust]

You do you. Go run your shotgun. I wouldn't and wouldn't recommend that.

[subtle bluff]

I still don't understand what he wants to do...

[worn imp]

I agree with the point about M1A, but im still confused, how for my setup, M1A could possibly have more DPS than SVD (with a whole ass 110% extra HS damage from core attribute)

[fiery gust]

Can you toggle headshot and see how much the difference is. This is, of course, presuming the hits are headshots.

[worn imp]

imo the SVD handles fine for me, so thats not really an issue for me personally

[fiery gust]

If it's good for you, then run it lol.

[subtle bluff]

I mean I wouldn't use M1a for dps build...

[fiery gust]

What works for the individual is always going to be superior than anything that anyone recommends.

[worn imp]

not making a typical DPS build, just want something that is the best possible DPS as a secondary weapon for this exact gear setup.

[onyx sage]

that's why i use sacrum imperium HH.

[astral kraken]

😡

[fiery gust]

Best "DPS" in this scenario is a Determined MMR, but you said you don't want to run that. So...there's not a lot of true optimizations to be done.

[magic pilot]

where is fox

[subtle bluff]

Why use HH then?

[astral kraken]

No, best DPS is a shotgun.

[magic pilot]

that would favor m1a more

[subtle bluff]

Actually here. @agile citrus help him he's doing a build like you.

[astral kraken]

As a secondary that is literally the best DPS you will get.

[worn imp]

i just wanna figure out what the best option is to use in the edge cases where I dont have HH ready and need a decent stream of DPS

[magic pilot]

a rifle

[astral kraken]

STOP IT

[magic pilot]

put on fox and run a rifle lol

[astral kraken]

Yea rifle is what you should be running in general.

[worn imp]

again i do believe you but i wanna understand how tf thats possible... Im still confused, how for my setup, M1A could possibly have more DPS than SVD (with a whole ass 110% extra HS damage from core attribute)

[onyx sage]

i'll be honest, i can't really recommend any one-size-fits-all solution for that situation

[subtle bluff]

I'll math one sec.

[astral kraken]

For the play style you're describing at least. If you want to play an MMR then you need to really lean into it and focus on that. Your secondary should be there for "oh shit" moments.

[worn imp]

i just wanna know what the best option DPS wise would be for that scenario

[worn imp]

yeah. SVD (as of right now)

[onyx sage]

against humans, dogs, chungas, etc.?

[worn imp]

i leave dogs to people who can actually get DPS on em, humans mostly

[fiery gust]

Determined. 🤣

[astral kraken]

life is a flat circle

[magic pilot]

@hexed steppe runs a st elmo with shock ammo loaded for mmr backup

[astral kraken]

dad is busy (your edit makes this awkward, i'm leaving it)

[onyx sage]

then anything that's strong in hh

[subtle bluff]

@worn imp There

[onyx sage]

literally anything, shotgun, rifle, another mmr, anything of these will work

[worn imp]

this is specifically for the situation when HH isnt procced and i need the best possible "ohshit" dps

[worn imp]

i know they will work but my filthy disgusting minmaxer brain wants to know which one has the best DPS

[magic pilot]

ok so best option is m1A since m16 doesnt count lol

[astral kraken]

the case for shotty is per pellet dmg and oh shit moments are generally close range

[onyx sage]

well i agree with kestrel because shotgun would be what you ask

[subtle bluff]

or BH Bighorn

[onyx sage]

if the literal only thing you want is highest damage

[worn imp]

wats bh?

[fiery gust]

Back hand your ass.

Jk.

[worn imp]

does this take into account headshot damage. cause SVD has a whole ass 110% more of it

[fiery gust]

Per shot close range, yea, shotgun. Overall usability, M1A. Other than that, use what you like tbh.

[subtle bluff]

These is just base stats....

[worn imp]

btw i gotta thank you for your persistent efforts in battling my severe minmaxing r e t a r d a t i o n

[subtle bluff]

If I changed the build it would do more.

[worn imp]

the svd or m1a??

[subtle bluff]

If rifle

I'm gonna stop here. Since you're context that you never really explain all in one is:
You're running a HH MMR build. And you're looking for a Backup weapon.

[worn imp]

While I dont doubt that you are correct, I still want to understand, how does 110+ headshot damage for the SVD not give higher DPS with this setup i have, when compared to using a rifle.

[subtle bluff]

STOP....

[worn imp]

if that is explained consider me satisfied

[subtle bluff]

Explain your context of your question stop going back to the DPS and rifle stuff.

[onyx sage]

headshot damage doesn't scale your hh top damage as well as high base does

chow let's just take his question at face value, ignore everything else and just consider what he wants as "highest DPS"

[subtle bluff]

😐

[onyx sage]

the XY problem conundrum can come later lol

[worn imp]

so even 110% more HSD on a semi automatic mmr wouldnt automatically give u better DPS. That just intrinsically feels wrong to my math gut lmao. But I trust you

[onyx sage]

i mean if u want i can explain to u how hh works

[worn imp]

no its fine guys. i wont bother ya any more

[fiery gust]

I think he means base damage (including HSD stats), no HH included.

[worn imp]

good night to you all and thanks everyone for the persistance

[onyx sage]

no, hsd doesn't increase hh bonus is what i mean

[worn imp]

Lets take it another time tho. I am still mildly interested to actually understand how it works.

[onyx sage]

hh-enhanced damage = actual shot damage + hh bonus, but there are common factors between these 2.

hsd only affects actual shot damage, and when you consider that >70% of hh-enhanced damage is the actual hh bonus, you prioritize things that would buff hh bonus more

which means if you have to toss away hsd for more base damage, you would

and yes of course base damage affects both numbers

[astral kraken]

that's what an aggressive determined playstyle looks like. it's a lot of fun!

by pushing ahead you're also skipping spawns so it helps w clear times

[fiery gust]

Determined. ❤️‍🔥

[onyx sage]

the average player would not know this

[subtle bluff]

I was about to say that

[fiery gust]

Did you know by pushing ahead fast you skip spawns? You do now. 😌

[onyx sage]

wtffffff

🤯

[astral kraken]

🐐

[onyx sage]

inb4 i actually don't know

[subtle bluff]

I skipping into ads in my face..

[marble root]

so hypothetically how good is a 551 magazine size stoner build

[subtle bluff]

Not

[jade sphinx]

Best I've got right now from a low loot pool to choose from. DPS and fire rate is up, armor heals isn't exactly that great on the flip side.

I managed some heroic stuff with a party and held my own pretty well while they drew aggro and I backlined. A couple hundred thousand damage per shot scaling up.

[fair dragon]

That 1pc Heartbreaker isn't really doing anythkng

[subtle bluff]

Follow this guide but keep using Memento. You'll see more DPS.

If you want a sample of how Standard build can do. Just reply.

[jade sphinx]

I have literally nothing else to switch it with.

It's just there right now until I can get a good pair to add onto the Striker's Battlegear.

[subtle bluff]

Do you know what Countdown is?

and how your library works?

[agile citrus]

bighorn. its applies headshot as its primary dmg, brazen m870, put determined on your harvest (I hope thats what that is

as long as your in solo or up to 3 people, a harvest determined will likely be able to hit up to 13m? I think

or use a orbit, it will grant up to 35% crit chance and 40% crit dmg on kill, combine that with a lexington with killer instanct, start with a orbit kill. orbit 30% cc plus watch 10% cc will be low, but average level (40%) you can give lex 10% cc, with 2 cc mods, and maybe a a crit dmg mod, cc, plus +15 ammo mod'

[jade sphinx]

I did the power plant countdown thing solo on my own and got the relic weapon for it, wasn't aware of what the countdown was used for.
As for the library are you talking about blueprints? I've farmed a few checkpoints and other activities to fill in the massive void as a new player with less than 65 hours of actual playtime. I was told about that and did it for the XP and blueprints

[subtle bluff]

That's was the Manhunt nowtthe Countdown.

[subtle bluff]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?usp=sharing

Follow this.

[verbal gust]

My umbra capacitor got me in conflict from 1-21 in less than a day. Haha

[jade sphinx]

I love this game but the more I play it, the more I realize just how much work must be put in to make a build truly viable, seems I got a long way to go, great guide here btw I'm going to try out some runs for specific gear and items now

[astral kraken]

doesn't take long at all if you take a little time to learn how things work. trust.

[subtle bluff]

I mean almost anything viable. Now if want it GOOD that's a lil different.

[astral kraken]

people create alt accounts all the time and are running a monster builds in 1-2 nights.

once you know how it works it's ezpz

[verbal gust]

Countdown is my go to for pieces I need. Lengmo especially I hate rainbow loot…

[agile citrus]

max harvest, with no set investment, 7 headshot 10%, dtooc, expertise 14 determined, sharpshooter with 15% pistol headhunter chest talent @worn imp

[verbal gust]

I have 308 days on each character almost out of 4 and I still am learning. The basis of the game is easy for a min but like chow said “there’s viable builds, but good builds that’s something different.”

[magic pilot]

turn off global chat for a screenshot lol

[lament birch]

That looks very similar to what I’ve been running lol, sans the HB piece

And that backpack was Steelworks before

Wanted to give it a try with my Ninja pack

[agile citrus]

nb is 1 slot. use striker x3 @jade sphinx using nb, you can pull off a heartbreaker with 15% firerate, fun, not optimal. need x3 heartbreaker, nb and x2 striker

set bonus, need at least 2 investment, to activate talent #1, brands only need 1

[lament birch]

ViVi, my beloved

[lament birch]

That sounds pretty good + fun

Like ya said tho, it ain’t optimal but fun is the primary factor to any build

[agile citrus]

heartbreaker is a fav of mine. nb/strkr x2/hb x3 helps the fire rate, which isnt as great as striker. imo its noticable in the chest stack

[subtle bluff]

Unhealth everything quickly is fun 😄

[lament birch]

Armor on kill is always a valid choice :DD

[subtle bluff]

I mean if everything is dead they can't hurt you.

[lament birch]

The blue bar getting bigger with each kill gives me a small boost of serotonin

[subtle bluff]

AoK doesn't give you bonus armor tho.

[lament birch]

Yes it does, it stacks with kills plus whatever value is already there for it from specialization or mod/set choices

However, it is temporary so it’ll only have as much up time as you can secure kills

[subtle bluff]

.....
AoK stats itself just give you armor up to your total armor. You watch it in my clip I posted.

[onyx sage]

yeah no. bonus armor is its own thing. AoK only heals your white armor

[agile citrus]

@lament birch your bonus armor comes from memento kill. You are correct just in an abstract way. It's not armor on kill, it's memento talent pick up

With 2 blue cores, your collecting 20% bonus armor on pick up for 10secs. But AoK only affects white bar. But memento bonus is uncapped <200% original armor value, source: Average player.->, or so high iv never counted it

[onyx sage]

bonus armor is capped to be 200% of your max white armor

[jade sphinx]

Improved on it. Gloves have decent skills for shield and skill repair.

[solar sable]

that's better but uh, no strikers chest imho

[jade sphinx]

Trying to get a glove with the set bonus and I'll switch chest out for golden

Got some decent goldens with good defensive stats to help with the mostly DPS part of the build

[solar sable]

either way you have to focus on something else than just the pieces themselves: attributes

[subtle bluff]

If you follow the guide it'll tell you what you should try to farm to get the piece.

Doomz got this.

[cloud laurel]

@jade sphinx what am looking at? Better use ceska chest with obliterate because you need to cap or soft cap CHC 50%

[solar sable]

He knows that first part, Chow mentioned it earlier

[agile citrus]

Before I dip again, this is a perspective I have. Imo coyote is an inconsistent DMG piece. It's effect changes on range meaning you'll get less crit effect in one or the other if your rushed or sniped. It has a use but I would use overdog gloves 🧤 over coyote, or really anything, unless I was in a raid group with other coyote users

[solar sable]

that's your opinion, and opinions are valid, but if we wanna talk about facts and how stuff works in reality then it's 50% valid
I'm being friendly here, alr?

[subtle bluff]

If you watch the video I posted you can I'm in all reds. Not saying that's what exactly you need to do but it is what you should be able to do.

[subtle bluff]

For his SHD level that's not bad. The other build above is more 👀

[solar sable]

ye, he's getting there

[agile citrus]

I like all builds and opinions, the more ideas the more versatile and game variety. People like coyote and they make it work. I can't which is why I don't use it. That's all

I find it very useful in raiding because in raiding you often can control an enemy range, which lets people build into it's effect. Very useful

[solar sable]

I get it, dw
I don't wanna make a hostile discussion with anyone atm

[flat halo]

What should I do for a rifle build that hits hard?

[subtle bluff]

OD Ongoing Directive

[solar sable]

hmmm, Chow, do you mind making a template for a HE rifle build?

or do you already have one

I keep forgetting the setup every time someone asks for one

[jade sphinx]

Again, don't have much to work with. I'm trying to actually get my foot in the door when it comes to focused builds.

[subtle bluff]

I mean when people say rifles like this, I always assume it's DPS and most of the time it is.

It's normally my context reply.

[solar sable]

ah, so one for HH and the other for DPS

[flat halo]

But what rolls should be on it?

[subtle bluff]

CHC/CHD as always for DPS.

[gloomy spruce]

So a standard Ceska, Grupo, Foxes's Prayers, 2pc zoo, and overdogs? Vigi and Obliterate for talents?

Everything rolled crit chance and crit damage?

[cloud laurel]

Rifle dps is bad or trash, rifle 1 shot is much better

[astral kraken]

lol trin

"bad or trash" cracked me up

i dunno about obliterate for a rifle build

[gloomy spruce]

I am a fan of the 1886 determined hh meme builds, but sometimes you just want to slap on an urban MDR and role play like it is season 1 after wony.

[astral kraken]

the only time i've ever used a rifle build was just messing around and it was a nego

[gloomy spruce]

With Urban MDR or other fast firing rifles, it can work. Of course gc is better, but it is always 'better'; some of us just don't like to have to be the guy picked up all the time.

Focus gives me headaches.

[astral kraken]

i wasn't gonna say glass cannon but i think obliterate would actually be more dangerous than glass

because you're fighting to keep your stacks up which is more risk of getting shot

you can just do spotter or something. or even overwatch. or braced.

thats why ND felt so good. i ran the chest so i could mark more targets.

and you got max damage instantly, no stack building

[subtle bluff]

No. OD does it better.

[gloomy spruce]

I mean if you were doing it all High End and not with gear sets.

With gear sets, I would go ND with Urban MDR

[subtle bluff]

He didn't not ask that.

[agile citrus]

I do so much RMM ing, and shepherding, and playing solo, that almost all my builds are focused on eating 10 people lol and picking up or healing others

[gloomy spruce]

I thought Doomz asked for a High End Rifle DPS template
#td2-build-advice message

[subtle bluff]

Nothing was said about dps till I said

[gloomy spruce]

I dunno. I thought the question was a current Hexotic Rifle build for this update. Gear sets are so much better for Crit Rifle builds now tho.

[astral kraken]

trying out some stuff and rifles feel terrible wow

i think the problem is you have to bend over backwards to either...

• make rifles feel like determined mmr
• make rifles feel like an ar

they dont have their own identity b/c they're just a worse version of one of those two

(yes i have an 1886 determined hh, but i mean crit rifle)

[subtle bluff]

For the new players they just like the idea and look of them then just like how the rifle plays.

[astral kraken]

for me its nostalgia. in div1 the socom m1a was my baby.

[gloomy spruce]

I personally just go with an AR, ACS and striker. There are other builds that are rising this season, but AR Striker is to me so much easier to make, learn, and use.

I love the Urban MDR, but often if I go with that; I just use nego.

Season 1 post wony was the period of time where Crit Rifle with Hexotic was king for raids.

If you tried to adapt that build for the current gear, overdogs and 2pc zoo would replace 3pc providence.

[cloud laurel]

Bottom line, rifle just bad in any build. Either with trinker mask or +30 weapon, it’s just bad period. I’ve a video accept challenge by 1 guy thinking his rifle +30 with trinker mask fully high end with GC ofc and still bad when we dual run DUA and with modifier on. I’m saying this because don’t waste time and resources to + 30 on a rifle when AR or LMG is much better

P.S. beside 1 shot build

[solar sable]

variety makes the game a little more enjoyable imo
so I guess it's trash if you take it into a "competitive" perspective, but in terms of variety, it isn't as much

[subtle bluff]

Is this a challenge for me? 😄

[astral kraken]

normally i would agree but rifles are just so bad

i tried a few different variations and all i think is "this is just a worse X"

even pre-buff LMGs felt better

[solar sable]

I agree on that too lol

[astral kraken]

rifles need something special to make them stand out. dunno what it would be tho.

ARs are good all arounders, SMGs have high burst, LMGs have high sustain, MMRs have determined

pistols have move speed

[rich cosmos]

High capacity rifles across the board could use an rpm increase and breaking point needs a large buff

[astral kraken]

yea but that just takes them closer to ARs

[silent storm]

High Cap Rifles are fine, you are just using them wrong.

[rich cosmos]

[rich cosmos]

Maybe they shouldn’t have made ars into the rifle category

Just a thought, wild I know

[silent storm]

My LWM4 puts in the work with 2-3 million DMG shots and is fully automatic. My UIC15 MOD2 doing 3-4 million DMG shots and is a laser beam.

Both have 75 rounds in the mag, yeah they don't need a buff

[subtle bluff]

"high cap rifle" UH?!

[subtle bluff]

I'm gonna reference something you said a while ago..

[rich cosmos]

Lol

[subtle bluff]

Because in-game more RoF the Bullets on target meaning you did more actually DPS. Where rifles you need to higher accuracy as a player to keep up your DPS.

[silent storm]

This is the perfect build #td2-build-advice message Just as good on paper as it is in real world scenerios.

[subtle bluff]

I really hate when you say "real world scenarios." That normall implies in the real life scenario.

[cloud laurel]

Well my point is that rifle dps is bad comparison to AR and LMG so don’t invested to +30, that’s all

[subtle bluff]

I am not saying it's good by any means but it is doable. OH for exp! Yea fair

[silent storm]

That build I just linked is 12 million DPS

[subtle bluff]

10 mill is standard.

[subtle bluff]

after how long of shooting?

[silent storm]

~9 seconds

[subtle bluff]

LMAO

[rich cosmos]

3 to 5 business days and the enemy is dead

[subtle bluff]

I'm dead 🤣 😂

[cloud laurel]

Wanna bring your rifle vs my build in dual DUA?

[silent storm]

Once it's ramped is slays, Striker is the same way and that takes 12-15 seconds of actually hitting an enemy

[rich cosmos]

Yeah anyways a small bump to the high capacity rifles rpm wouldn’t break, like 30 to 50 more rpm on them shouldn’t make any of them insanely broken

[subtle bluff]

help I can't get up.

WOW I needded that laugh.... hooolly.

[subtle bluff]

Or me too lol

[silent storm]

Is your Rifle an 1883?

[cloud laurel]

Break point need a buff to compete with AR and LMG tbh

I don’t use rifle for dps only for 1 shot

[subtle bluff]

Um.. Are you reading his post correctly?

[rich cosmos]

Give it armor and time extension when you kill with the buff

[subtle bluff]

👀

[cloud laurel]

You claimed rifle didn’t need a buff then bring your rifle build vs mine TS or striker SMG or LMG

[silent storm]

I mean that is the build I use on Legend and Master

[subtle bluff]

I mean all of the meta builds will beat it hand over fist.

[rich cosmos]

High capacity rifles really need time to shine

They need a reason to exist outside of looking cool

[cloud laurel]

I love rifle tbh just like in div1 but div2 its dead

[subtle bluff]

I'll be honest figuring which one is good for my Lincoln run thru is tricky.

And the gameplay of just pushing with Rifles is actually a challenge. If I slowed down I'd have no issues

Kind of fun.

[silent storm]

I wouldn't say dead people just are going about them wrong

[astral kraken]

rowdy why are you like this

[subtle bluff]

Come run it thru leggo or master with one of us.

[silent storm]

hit me up tomorrow I'll run it

[astral kraken]

ok now i want some footage

[cloud laurel]

I’m open to challenge any rifle build vs my none rifle build to prove the point that rifle can’t be competed in LEG period. Sigh

[rich cosmos]

I hope we get a lvoa or lwm4 exotic next season

[subtle bluff]

Kay!

[astral kraken]

i love being wrong tbh let's see some mp4 files

[subtle bluff]

really anything above heroic.

I mean I'd give him a chance saying give us 4man heroic and it'll still have issues.

[astral kraken]

can't do open world tho b/c there's no stats screen

[cloud laurel]

Rifle build for fun but not to complete that’s all

[subtle bluff]

It's more viable since TU22 with OD buff but it hits a wall pretty quickly.

[silent storm]

My Smart Cover will skew the results I'm thinking though

Making poor meta builds way better than they should be

[subtle bluff]

Let's do!

[silent storm]

ok hit me up tomorrow

bed time now

[lament birch]

I sadly don’t have Memento Mori but boy do I wish I had him too.

He’d be my Memento Amorus instead.

[lament birch]

….I really need to hunt down that backpack once I’m down with calibrating or hunting down my remaining Striker gear pieces.

[subtle bluff]

Rifle OD Tinkerer

[astral kraken]

good job man. but see... it just looks like a bad AR.

more bloom, more recoil

[subtle bluff]

Never said it was good...

[astral kraken]

ik ik but that video is good proof b/c you played well

[subtle bluff]

Just that it is doable.

In most places it was fine but but it lacks soo hard in good burst DPS.

[astral kraken]

the funny part is it looks worst at range

if you play it like a shotty it even looks decent lol

[subtle bluff]

maybe

[astral kraken]

it doesnt stagger does it? like a shotty does i mean

[subtle bluff]

OH eh.. somteimes?

[astral kraken]

nah im watching it doesn't, not like a shotty

yep i stand by my statement. rifles no have no identity and they're just a worse version of other options.

play close like a shotty, shotty is better.
play mid range like an ar, ar is better.
play long range like an mmr, mmr is better.

[subtle bluff]

Shotgun is easier...

[solar sable]

aw man that's just fun

[subtle bluff]

HF would just better. I forgot to reset too.

[tawdry flare]

Is 5.11 Still meta

[buoyant perch]

pretty much

[tawdry flare]

I have a CC/Skill Build/HH/DPS Variant

Healer as well

[buoyant perch]

very versatile set

[scenic whale]

with regards to overdogs being really strong would something like
Strikers 4p with overdogs/foxes be fine or would the pinned guide build with Coyotes do better? This is for one of our players in Incursion. The rest of the team is already at 50% crit chance on our own

[subtle bluff]

Foxes is rarely bis to use for dps builds.

[scenic whale]

so probably just some ceska/groupa pieces then or?

[subtle bluff]

Same with striker chest

Ceska

[scenic whale]

he doesnt have sacrifice or anything with obliterate so im just sticking him on the strikers chest

not ideal but not sure what else is good to replace.

[subtle bluff]

Incursion is the one place you do use Striker chest.

[scenic whale]

oh yeah that'll do then, we're prepping for Paradise Lost atm

[subtle bluff]

In my bio watch the video if you want a better idea how to do it.

[scenic whale]

we'll see how it goes this week. Last week we just kinda attempted it with some very suboptimal strats (tanks and eclipse) but it wasn't too bad. Took awhile but we won, someone showed me some wright strats so that'll cut down most of the attempt time and we're going in with more standard teams this time

[subtle bluff]

Oh noes tanks....

[scenic whale]

not the best idea we've had after about 30 minutes of getting ran down by wright haha. we swapped over to more damage and it worked well enough after we stopped missing the valves

[subtle bluff]

Again just watch the video. There's nothing else out there like it.

[lament birch]

What shotgun are you running?? :0!!

[lament birch]

Hell yeah :DD

Super Shotgun coded times

[magic pilot]

Six-12 it looks like

[lament birch]

Ooohh— she looks funky :DD

I wonder what the build is

[lament birch]

She’s got Brazen, yeah? :0

[magic pilot]

He, Mr. Chow

The build is 4 ongoing directive, tinkerer, ceska wicked backpack. Guns have sadist + brazen

Gunner spec

[lament birch]

Six has Brazen + the other gun has Sadist?

And woe, I don’t have tinkerer :((

[lament birch]

Thanks, Chow-Man

[gentle lichen]

If you were on ps me and prod woulda ran it lol

We got someone tinkerer like yesterday

[lament birch]

Awwee man

Imma feel the pain surge through me once I go to PC D;

[magic pilot]

I switched from PS- PC, so did @gentle lichen It's hard but having a group makes it easier

There's always people who will help on pc

[gentle lichen]

Community in pc is definitely the largest compared to ps and xbox

[lament birch]

I got nearly all of my recalibration table on weapons and gear filled out and nearly at maximum on Xbox over these past 5 years too

[gentle lichen]

4 person group running countdown and everyone sharing stuff with you is gonna fill that in no time
That's what happened when i went to pc lol

[lament birch]

And I don’t have to pay for Internet usage either

[lament birch]

I have yet to run Countdown—

[HUNTERS INBOUND!!!]

[strong cave]

I run mine with a few blue cores and memento backpack. I also use Scorpio when I feel like just running around and turning my brain off. The current seasons modifiers makes it super fun

Don't recommend it in group play

[lament birch]

Scorpio? What’s that one? She’s a sniper rifle?

[strong cave]

Exotic Shotgun

[lament birch]

I yearn for Mementos soon™️

[strong cave]

Scorpio is Not as good as it used to be

Memento is still good 👌 it is the hardest working piece in the game

[lament birch]

I’ve been using Ninja Bike or a Steelplate pack to cope

[strong cave]

Ninjabike 🤢

It's a direct nerf to nearly all builds. PvP ones are some exceptions

[lament birch]

It’s rainbow rolled too lol

[red island]

ninja is always rolled like that

[lament birch]

Eehh— I was traumatized by my second run on the Dark Zone yesterday, kept getting hounded by a full party of rogues as soon as I showed up out the door

First time I ran the Eastern DZ was with a buddy of mine, no one else was around, was just us messing around and blasting OPFOR for fun

[lament birch]

Oohh

[cloud laurel]

HEY!!! where’s my love of SMG grrrrr!! U left out my SMG on purpose and ik it!!

With that range, I just play SMG (backfire) instead and run like a chicken without a head with 2M armor, 65k AR with memento and CHD. Even lady death with that range can out dmg rifle dps build tho.

I only wish lady death would give more ammo instead of 32…………

[gloomy spruce]

I admire the dedication.

[magic pilot]

It's from Ikia

[gloomy spruce]

They were really dedicated to the bit. I gotta give them points for that.

[silent storm]

Having 6 brand set items doubles their bonuses

[hazy steeple]

It's true. I've got 12 gila kneepads on and I'm now officially an Old One.

[silent storm]

Actually I wonder how bad that would break the game

Have Classified Brand Sets

[hazy steeple]

All the current gear would be nerfed to accomodate, same as wearing multiple exotics at once.

So tl;dr: not well.

[rich cosmos]

Still waiting on a project resolve for exotic gear

Theres so many talents that would be good if you changed a cooldown or distance by 5

[versed summit]

It'd be nice to get another rebalance update. they've rebalanced a good deal of stuff "recently" but if they don't balance items/gear consistently it loses a lot of value.

mid season rebalances like siege would be nice.

[magic pilot]

Revert sacrum imperium changes

[onyx sage]

so true. i want to see a rerun of cover bug (which was introduced in project resolve)

[rich cosmos]

It is weird how theres builds that get to be meta for years but they wont buff exotics that have been trash since release

[magic pilot]

Strikers has only been meta for 3 years!

[versed summit]

It is weird how theres players, like @onyx sage, that get to be meta for years but they wont buff me who has been trash since release

[onyx sage]

sir

[versed summit]

js

[onyx sage]

how can an average player play meta?

[rich cosmos]

Strikers

[versed summit]

averagemetaslave.-

[onyx sage]

i only use youtuber builds

[rich cosmos]

Anyways it really isn’t hard to buff a ton of talents

[magic pilot]

I only use the builds in dienhax

[rich cosmos]

Like heres one, make trauma not apply to red bar enemies and lower the bleed cooldown

[versed summit]

tbf it is to do in a way that keeps everything relevant

[versed summit]

so happy to be a manager of dienhax

[versed summit]

still be very mid

it's just not worth losing a chest talent over

like reassigned

[onyx sage]

a mini sadist/eyeless on top would be nice

[light grove]

The only time Reassigned gets an honorable mention

[rich cosmos]

I think the point is to at least make it an option

[versed summit]

that'd probably help, could be nice for OD

[rich cosmos]

I hate the fact that half the talents or builds you can make are just not usable

[versed summit]

well they're usable

[rich cosmos]

I don’t need something to clear legendary but it could at least be good

[cloud laurel]

Try TS with ceska chest with obliterate and overdog glove. The dmg is much higher

[onyx sage]

nah it has to be bad enough to not be worth running over OD chest on OD setups, but worth running on non-OD setups

[versed summit]

ah yeah

[meager fog]

Pretty much ANYTHING can clear heroic.

[onyx sage]

he's referring to the dog talents we have rn

[versed summit]

gray builds can clear legendary, the bar is technically on the floor

[onyx sage]

but tbh yeah even if we assume we have basically no talent on chest or bp we can clear anyways

[versed summit]

what if trauma reduced cooldown after killing a status effected enemy?

[meager fog]

The point being that theres a difference between viable and good lol.

Everything is viable, useable.

Not everything is or can be good

[magic pilot]

#lfg-pc

[rich cosmos]

Just because you can doesn’t mean you should

The bar for what should be able to should be higher

[meager fog]

And then we end up with something even more monsterous than Tipping Scales or Strikerdogs.

No matter which way you flip it, something will always be on top.

Im not against buffs, but they have to be carefully done

I am, vehemently, against nerfs for PvE content though, honestly who cares that someone joins your game and rofl stomps the enemy with a full meta build.

Just have fun your own way

[versed summit]

I'd prefer for the game to be challenging

if we had more real endgame content it'd be less of an issue

[meager fog]

But at what point do you balance challenging for the top players (yourself and averagebob are always going to find it easy) and challenging for the mass.

As it is, despite appearances not many people can actually run the meta builds successfully.

I agree more endgame content, specifically aimed at the top players, would probably help. But how far do you go?

[cerulean smelt]

the bigger question. how to keep it engaging so it's not just extremely boring

[meager fog]

Its not just that, making some content challenging enough for the best players will alienate a MASSIVE portion of the playerbase. If its hard for IC3SO, not many will even be able to complete it.

[versed summit]

I'm not that good lol

[meager fog]

But you find lego solo easier than most?

I can solo lego with a full red, but it takes me time and its a big feat. Not impressive by any means.

[cerulean smelt]

i'm just taking rewards wise. like they'd have to put in some kind of reward for doing those otherwise it'll end up like we are now. top players not needing to get things

[meager fog]

Which would also then come with exclusive rewards for the best players (which im not against) but you saw how angry people got because they missed the lexington 🤣

[cerulean smelt]

and "where to get turmoil?" questions? then we break the news that they suck but some still think it's good

[versed summit]

I don't find it easy. regardless, Legendary is mostly balanced, minus some BS, for people who want to test not only their build but their player skill as well.

Heroic is a cake walk if you have any semblance of a build, it needs a bit of a tune up considering it's the highest difficulty available for the majority of content.

[meager fog]

I'd like to see Master take the heroic spot tbh.

Its basically Heroic with lego health and damage but not the spam.

[cerulean smelt]

master world difficulty would be awesome

[versed summit]

yeah that'd be a lot easier to do as well

[meager fog]

I think we're off topic now so i'll say this to avoid detention:

Strikers, strikers, overdogs, build build, uptime, Tipping scales LMG CHC.

[scenic whale]

@subtle bluff thanks for the video, smooth 15 minute run for our group after doing some extra strats

[spiral talon]

what build would you guys recommend for soloing the master mission? just came back after a long division break

[cerulean smelt]

i'd imagine strikers would work as long as you know the positions you can take

[scenic spear]

80% protection from elite build, critical chance and dmg , 3 armor, 3 weapon dmg … apartment and six12

[spiral talon]

and strikers are still the meta dps?

[cerulean smelt]

striker or Tipping Scales

[spiral talon]

never heard of tipping scales, so that will be my first farm then 😄

[cerulean smelt]

tipping scales is LMG based on Crit Damage

[spiral talon]

ohh, that sounds fun

[cerulean smelt]

similar to strikers except on hit getting stacks you just fire your weapon, stop the decay by suppressing npcs

[spiral talon]

meta lmg? dont usualyl run them that often so have no idea on whats good

[cerulean smelt]

my tipping scales i use GR9 with frenzy, but probably use any LMG really

[spiral talon]

really? they blanced them that nice?

[cerulean smelt]

also, if you've noticed @meager fog exotic gloves named Overdogs are pretty strong

[spiral talon]

saw something about that, hitting the lowset rank enemy for extra damage?

[cerulean smelt]

something like that. amped damage to boot

[spiral talon]

cool cool

[magic pilot]

30% amp so it's a free glass cannon

[cerulean smelt]

without the 60% damage you take increase to boot

[spiral talon]

but having to change up how i play then with the spray n pray 😄

[magic pilot]

Even if you aren't actively targeting it's still worth running

[spiral talon]

sweet, ill try them when i get my hands on them

[magic pilot]

Master will be a challenge to solo buts it's possible, i recommend running in a group first

[spiral talon]

challenges are fun

[magic pilot]

Have you done any of them yet?

[spiral talon]

not a singel one

just found out that they are in the game now

[cerulean smelt]

just remember Space HQ Theo is the very first master we got and nobody liked that season

potomac was last seasons master mission

[spiral talon]

any good rewards from the missions or just do it for fun?

[cerulean smelt]

since theo they've put an exotic drop there. normal to heroic is below 10% chance i want to say? which you have to complete once to unlock the master difficulty anyways, master first clear 100% drop then something like 14% i want to say?

[spiral talon]

cool cool

[cerulean smelt]

not account bound either so if you want 4 of said exotic you can run the master difficulty on a new character and obtain it first clear

[scenic spear]

Master’s are all elite mobs ; so craft improvise knee, gloves and holdster so you can add protect from elite mods on those , plus 3 more for chest, head and backpack; survivalist specialization for an other + 10 protect elite and you easily get 80% protection from elite… basically all the mobs in master missions will only do you 20% dmg

[meager fog]

It will increase average damage massively by simply wearing them

[spiral talon]

yeah get that, but have to run quiet far into the seasonal thing, so probably not gonna get them today sadly

[cerulean smelt]

get quite a bit of seasonal xp in retaliations i think plus can spam them priority objectives

[meager fog]

Negodogs Bluescreen build

[magic pilot]

5x season pass xp coming up

[bleak sequoia]

how long does that event run for

[meager fog]

1 week normally

[bleak sequoia]

1 whole week of 5x season pass wow. Ok anyone logging in that week is a lock for overdogs for sure, it only needs 29. I'm at 24 currently and waiting for the event to make a run for the overdogs

I'm saving up all my manhunts for it 🤣

[meager fog]

Wise choice, im saving all mine for stretch goals.

Manhunt alone is like 40 levels

[magic pilot]

It's a week long, and another 5x season pass event starts the day after it ends

[cerulean smelt]

you'll honestly want to hit 100 if there's other things you're farming up. lexington being one of them

[magic pilot]

So it's really 2 weeks long

[bleak sequoia]

sorry what we get another lexington?

[meager fog]

We dont know yet, but its assumed

[magic pilot]

Stretch goals at the end of the season have caches with exclusive rewards like regulus and the limited time named items

[cerulean smelt]

Stretch goals last season dropped it but a small chance. i doubt they'd stop that honestly

[bleak sequoia]

naw I'm good I'm just here for the overdogs FOMO

[meager fog]

Overdogs are insane, best in slot for any DPS honestly

[magic pilot]

You can't miss out on them, they get added to general pool next season

[cerulean smelt]

Regulus, Eagle Bearer and Ravenous drops in those as well

oh yeah, Ouroboros are included in it, then the master missions i think? don't remember the last one if they included those or not

[bleak sequoia]

dammit... must... not.. make TD2 my primary game again...

[cerulean smelt]

you know you wanna

[meager fog]

All season pass exclusive exotics are put into the loot pool the following season.

Manhunt exclusives remain there.

[cerulean smelt]

huh, swore they threw the past manhunts in with the raid and incursion exclusives?

[bleak sequoia]

yeah but so random. Getting it on the season pass is a lock plus you get a free reconfig blueprint

[meager fog]

Pew pew overdogs