td2-build-advice

[rich cosmos]

I don’t see how thats a problem other than having to read a bunch beforehand

[meager fog]

Hence why most builds inh ere are recommended because they DON'T require seasonal modifiers.

[rich cosmos]

I would care a lot less if modifiers had mechanics reused for gearsets but to my knowledge that hasn’t been the case yet

[meager fog]

I will shout this from the rooftops and preach it on my death bed, and i'll die on this hill.

Any build which requires a modifier to work, is shite.

[astral kraken]

it's a problem because the current season's progression track is based on using the mods. which almost everyone has turned on in their groups. so you can freely matchmake and progress through.

but if every season added a stack of mods that someone could choose, people would pick the season for their group that makes them the most powerful. and it would just be really confusing and complicated.

[meager fog]

And unnecessary.

[astral kraken]

also keep in mind that we do need to make minor adjustments to our builds for every season. if a season has mods that puts you above the CHC cap (for example) then we'll adjust our builds with lower base CHC to take advantage of that.

[meager fog]

LOTS of games have seasonal modifiers, it's not a new thing

[rich cosmos]

Seasonal modifiers aren’t a bad thing, but this game I think goes way to far

It feels less like modifiers and at times a whole new gameplay mechanic like an exotic

[meager fog]

If you think Div 2 takes seasonal modifiers too far, wait until you find out about the games that delete your progress when it ends 🤣

[astral kraken]

d2 almost became poe lol

[meager fog]

Imagine Massive deleting any agent that plays seasonal 🤣 That would be comical

[astral kraken]

well technically poe doesn't delete your character. it just gets moved to standard league with all your items.

[rich cosmos]

Seasonal modifiers just take too much away when they could make even more gearsets and exotics, I wouldn’t be as upset if there was a place to mess around with them all the time or if they were turned into gearsets

[astral kraken]

it works well in poe though. i don't mind it there.

[meager fog]

And everything becomes instantly worthless, practically untradable and the entire m etas shifts every time 😛

[astral kraken]

yea ik ik. but the way the poe economy works it just kinda makes sense. the economy suffers such massive inflation during end of season that there'd be no point in continuing. it's fun to login during a new season and start from scratch with thousands of other people.

[meager fog]

By the way, I love PoE and GGG have done some EXCELLENT work on the ARPG scale. It's wonderful

[astral kraken]

yea let's hope they fix the poe 2 endgame because right now it's poo poo. they could learn a thing or two from d2 actually.

[meager fog]

IMO I'd actually love if Div2 made us restart a character to play a new season

[winged prism]

yeah i dont even bother using them at all anymore, just seems rushed every time

like zealot is such a lazy idea and way too op

[astral kraken]

yea zealot is kinda dumb lol

i refuse to even level it up

[rich cosmos]

I like the camera one so much Im not ready for it to go

[cloud laurel]

Just like Diablo then? Seasonal char move to normal server and new season come with grinding again and again and never stop grinding….

I’m glad div2 had cancelled that seasonal thing otherwise I’d quit div2

[meager fog]

It would be a good thing, and would actually extend the life of the game.

[cloud laurel]

Sorry I don’t wanna grind from lvl 1 and be geared again

Only reason div 2 is different from others

[meager fog]

We're in the wrong channel for this discussion, but no

[astral kraken]

it makes sense in poe b/c your build and character very linked. you can re-spec but you'll be locked to a similar character b/c gear progression is very slow. it can take 300+ hours just to get optimized gear for a build. which is about how long you'll spend in a season if you play a lot.

so maybe this season you do melee but next season you do necromancer.

[gloomy spruce]

I will remind you all that the devs at one point proposed seasonal characters and got roundly criticized for it.

The current system is a compromise which I feel allows new gear to be released and builds to be experimented with. Also it allows items like the Backfire to be played with and tweaked to eventually become viable. We all get to try these items out and experience them.

There has been a lot of gear released into the game that has barely even been noticed. The seasons allow the devs and players to explore this as well as how they can be altered in a longer format besides just relying on a PTS.

The meta at this point has never felt more open and as if the players have more options to choose from.

[slow sentinel]

what build are people using where they cause their teamates to do a crazy amount of dmg? im doing lik 500k per to like 2 mil per hit

[cloud laurel]

Maybe FI support build

[cloud laurel]

Were you in CD or Leggo or heroic mission?

[subtle bluff]

Context helps to know what your saying. Where?

Like Trindy said FI support build can boost damage like nuts.

[verbal gust]

Well there’s coyotes which gives team mates a bunch of crit.

[slow sentinel]

i was in CD sorry

[cloud laurel]

Ahh yeah buff from CD lol

[magic pilot]

Close range buff probably

[verbal gust]

I’m currently running cc build eclipse build with creeping death it does its job

[magic pilot]

Potentially headshot too

[verbal gust]

Trying to get an iron lung to drop is as rare as being in one apparently.

[solar sable]

plz rate this heroic build

[magic pilot]

1/10 not enough gearsets

[verbal gust]

Umm what are you trying to do here?

[solar sable]

It's a Facebook image I stole from some guy
😂

that's why I covered the gamertag

[verbal gust]

I just hope his living space isn’t like this.

[solar sable]

"That's a good build for Normal difficulty"
I'm dead 😭

[verbal gust]

Ninja bag builds personally are my less used builds. I mean I’m just saying ninja bike just idk, waste of a backpack talent tbh

[stark flicker]

Red eclipse with iron lung and sanitation or red eclipse with tinkerer plus dual he lmg's

In both scenarios the final piece is firm handshake for the non tink version I run coyote

[smoky latch]

Instead of making fun of this how about you try and help them improve this mess? 🫠

[subtle bluff]

DOT effects that don't have any direct way to scale do not do a lot of DOT at all to note.

What normal EP can do.

[stark flicker]

I'm using eclipse for the ramp you get 30% from statused enemies from the bp plus sanitation gives extra damage to burning enemies every stack

[stark flicker]

I'm aware of how powerful regular ep is /nh

[solar sable]

Nah, I don't wanna involve myself in groups like those since almost all of them promote yt builds or tank builds and they're allergic to red

the total opposite of what we do here

[subtle bluff]

Oh I try once in awhile but FB group comments go wild..... Either super toxic or people that are helpful get lost.

I've posted our guide pics in there and they get lost so quick.

[smoky latch]

Lol I see

[cloud laurel]

Im late but any build with ninja backpack are trash personally for pve.

[solar sable]

personally? we hate it!

[subtle bluff]

Oh weee knowwwwwww

[cloud laurel]

I can’t stand looking at ninja BP in pve… my eyes going blind!

[stark flicker]

What do you think would have to be done to ninja to make it good with the current talent

[solar sable]

what current talent o.o

[onyx sage]

imo go further into its niche, like +2 instead of +1 or multiply the brand bonuses it's buffing by some percentage

it has to do more to be competitive with vigi

[cloud laurel]

Remove HB use Ceska BP with vil add overdog lol

[stark flicker]

I don't see them going for the +2 bc that allows someone to get 2 gearset effects plus a 3pc effect of a brand

[onyx sage]

yeah it can be too strong

[stark flicker]

Like imagine striker+scales+3pc lengmo

[onyx sage]

i mean that's not that good of an example

[subtle bluff]

It's just losing the BP talents that's nerfs any build.

[onyx sage]

2p striker 2p scales 1p prov/any good brand and that's it

[subtle bluff]

I've thrown on all the MMR pieces with NNB it peaks to the same Dmg but the base dmg is ass

[onyx sage]

but anyways i think it should go further into the niche it created

[stark flicker]

Honestly thinking past strictly good brands some of the 3pc effects of gearsets are kinda nuts

Like umbra would give an additional 15%chc and 30% reload speed

[onyx sage]

nothing that brand pieces don't give lol, just slap on handling, you forget that gear set pieces have only 1 attribute

[stark flicker]

And virtuoso would grant 15% to wd mag size and wh

[stark flicker]

I don't I just think the way you suggested would move nbb from being garbage to bis

[subtle bluff]

I did this since I had it all in game already because I was bored...
It's peak near the same has normal hotshot but the base dmg "aka cold shot" was asss

[onyx sage]

i don't want it to be bis lmao

but i gave many suggestions, i did ack that +2 can be too strong

it's the devs' job not us to be thinking about this stuff, we critique when they do it

[stark flicker]

I can see the bonus multiplication being either really undertuned or really overtuned

[subtle bluff]

uh?

[stark flicker]

@subtle bluff

[onyx sage]

right now what NBB is bad in is damage, and none of the brand bonuses are even competing against vigi even in terms of single weapon type damage. i think it should go further into this and gigabuff single weapon type damage more, and leave vigi to be strong because it's twd

as for other brand bonuses that aren't damage, who cares

[cerulean smelt]

is mrchow attempting to make NBB worth something in a build? 🤔

[onyx sage]

nah i started this separately

[subtle bluff]

Showing it's still bad.

[stark flicker]

The issue I have is that it'll need to be coded for each specific brandset bonus bc if they all had the same buff brands giving chc/chd would be even more op and brands giving stuff like weapon handling and other more niche stuff would remain mid also armor regen brands would be disgusting

[subtle bluff]

Giving it all the numbers still doesn't make up.

I should make a clip of this but the other is easier to just make one quick video.

Then again I could just change loadouts..

[stark flicker]

Nah we're talking abt trying to meaningfully buff nbb in a way that makes it good without being broken

[onyx sage]

let's settle on a number and say it's 1.2x. buffing the crit bonuses would still not make it beat vigi, but i can see your point for armor regen

[magic pilot]

armor regen isnt good enough to run ninja

[stark flicker]

We are talking abt buffing ninja

[agile citrus]

Hey, Im busy making my guide, and I remember lo5t mentioned "steady pace" with blue cores. I decided since its halloween, Id give a preview, so he'd maybe find something useful 🙂 Ill prob rerun with with mariokart pistol and try to not forget for 10 sec npc reinforce!

[onyx sage]

i was gonna ask u about it, i think ad rush would be more relevant than having more armor regen

[magic pilot]

yea regen does not need to be any stronger

[subtle bluff]

Only buff I think that would be interesting is give state buffs to the gearset or brandset bonuses like 1.5x

[magic pilot]

if ad rush had a longer reproc timer maybe, but it hits every 3s

[onyx sage]

i think 1.5x is too strong for some bonuses

[subtle bluff]

Maybe

[magic pilot]

tbf it only needs a pve buff

[stark flicker]

A 1.5x would be kinda crazy for builds that scramble to reach enough chc

[magic pilot]

pvp its actually pretty viable where its at

[stark flicker]

Ceska now gives 2 full chc cores

[subtle bluff]

YA it would break PvP if it had that.

[stark flicker]

And umbra/nego each give like 23% chc

[magic pilot]

im running umbra rn, explo sticky hits for 600k and i get insane dps from capacitor

[subtle bluff]

Don't forget NBB doesn't come with stats.

[onyx sage]

i mean it would go from 8% to 12%

[stark flicker]

Yeah but you still get a mod slot

[magic pilot]

yea that would just cancel out ninja not having stats

[subtle bluff]

You'd get that anyways...

[onyx sage]

^

[magic pilot]

all backpacks do thats the problem

[stark flicker]

Yeah which is 2 chc cores

[magic pilot]

cancels out

[onyx sage]

you gotta think "how can i beat 25% more damage" instead of "oooh look at all the things i can get and ignore the things I lose"

because the things you lose are pretty big

4% chc alone won't put any dent, but what other things can alongside it?

[stark flicker]

Imagine if the proposed buff applied to 4pc bonuses

[subtle bluff]

I just didn't think for PvP 1.5x would be a lot.

Too much to do for coding wise.

Keeping it simple was the thought for me.

[onyx sage]

hmm, i'm comparing contractor vs 1p walker with nbb 1.5x

[subtle bluff]

Ya?

[onyx sage]

contractor would be equivalent to 15% lmg damage + 8% dta, while 1p walker would be 7.5% weapon damage + 7.5% dta

all that while having a free attribute for crit

[subtle bluff]

When I meant for 1.5x buff is from the bonus stats.

[onyx sage]

i know

[subtle bluff]

I read that wrong DERP

[onyx sage]

what I'm highlighting is contractor's dta isn't buffed so brands like walker can gap close easier

[subtle bluff]

Ya I see what you mean.

There would be even more thought into NBB but idk it's just a quick easy thought on a balance ish buff. But I'd rather see buffs to all the unless gearset and brandsets.

[stark flicker]

Exuro instead of giving the d1 fire turret should turn our fire turrets into the ones the cleaners have

[magic pilot]

with none/almost no capacitor stacks

[onyx sage]

explosive damage?

[magic pilot]

sticky

[onyx sage]

ah i didn't see sticky in the skills

[magic pilot]

old SS im between games rn

[subtle bluff]

OOF

I remember chat about someoen get more or less one shot by stick boom

[magic pilot]

you can get even higher dmg with grupo+china instead of picaros and walker

and you still get some extra weapon dps from grupo

[tawdry flare]

Yeah no you need 6PCs 5.11

[pastel basin]

What would be the most dps on backfire strikers, is it with contractors gloves or with a ceska piece?

57% cc on my build , but if I take off ceska and put on contractors, it would be 55% with 12% less cd than before

[subtle bluff]

For what content?

[pastel basin]

Just in general just which setup does more damage overall with max stacks

[subtle bluff]

I mean strikers chest, bp, overdogs and foxes

[pastel basin]

Okay then, incursion

[subtle bluff]

that is for incurison.

[pastel basin]

WHAT

I will change my load out tomorrow and try it out then 😭

Like even during every boss fight, or just during tanker?

I genuinely don’t know how overdog gloves work, never tried them

[subtle bluff]

Yes

On lovebirds change to Bloody Knuckles.

[magic pilot]

You can only use it on lovebirds if you clear all ads, maybe 1 person running turmoil if it's a casual run

[pastel basin]

Doesn’t bloody knuckles only increase melee damage?

[pastel basin]

What? Overdog gloves you mean?

[subtle bluff]

Courtyard normal strikers or w/e get you to DPS quick
Tanker, Wright: 4pcs strikers chest, bp, foxes, overdogs and acs12
Lovebirds: change to Bloody Kunckles

[magic pilot]

Yea

[subtle bluff]

Too much... I don't tell other to do this.

[pastel basin]

Ooo I actually never noticed that wtf

[magic pilot]

Total weapon damage

[magic pilot]

I mean technically it's fixed now. It just works well on when you focus on the boss. It kills all the ads

[pastel basin]

So why do I keep on seeing people run those eagle grasp gloves where it gives weapon handling on tanker?

I always wondered that ngl

[subtle bluff]

That was the old build before this patch.

[pastel basin]

Before overdog was a thing? lol

[subtle bluff]

Yes.

[magic pilot]

Eagles+ceska

[pastel basin]

Last question, for this build, wouldn’t it be better to run the punch drunk mask instead?

[magic pilot]

I haven't updated mine to overdogs yet still. I keep forgetting

[subtle bluff]

It was either ceska/foxes or eagles / whatever

[magic pilot]

Providence has 23% headshot

[subtle bluff]

We need to update a lot.

[magic pilot]

I can do it tomorrow actually

[pastel basin]

23%?

[subtle bluff]

I mean I have some of in my speed guides

[magic pilot]

Was thinking about doing the pvp builds too

[pastel basin]

Isn’t it like 10 or 13

[subtle bluff]

13 he's mistyped

[obtuse crystal]

10% from the item 13% from the brandset I assume he means

[pastel basin]

OMG YES PLEASE 🙏

[magic pilot]

13% from that brand, 10% from the roll

Punch drunk has 20% and 20% pistol dmg

But when you Achilles you want the headshot damage

[subtle bluff]

Prod is coooked

[pastel basin]

Im sorry I have little brain for like calculating the best damage lol

[subtle bluff]

LOL jk. The point is the achilles you want all the HSD you can

[magic pilot]

Oh shoot right

[subtle bluff]

You're asking we're showing. lol

[magic pilot]

But still providence has more

[pastel basin]

Yeahhhh woohooo

One sec let me pop up another build, let me find it rq

Would like a pure red dps build with sacrifice, contractors, fox prayers, providence backpack with vigilance and punch drunk gloves with dch do more damage than the strikers setup for one shotting or no?

And if not, would it even be worth it to make that type of build?

And also the main damage increase in one shotting is the Achilles expertise right?

[subtle bluff]

Are you really ready for these answer? LOL

[pastel basin]

Im ready for everything

Lol

[subtle bluff]

This is the equation for Achilles [number you would hit normally] x [1 + HSD%] x [1 + exp%]

[pastel basin]

Im like writing what you guys say in my notes so I can change my builds the next time I get on

[subtle bluff]

Remember this is used with BLB.

[pastel basin]

Pure red is use with blb? Because it’s inferior to strikers? lol

[subtle bluff]

180% amp from strikers is hard to beat.

[pastel basin]

Tru tru

And what would be a good primary to use then? The bighorn?

[subtle bluff]

Yeah

[elfin summit]

How do you get this up in the lower left corner?

[subtle bluff]

The dmg?

[red island]

u can custom chat to show damage number

[idle lynx]

hey i’m still kinda stuck on how to get a even build, any time i try to make a dmg build it makes my health/shield very low, ik it’s a dumb question but does anyone have any advice on how to even it out

[meager fog]

You even it out by sacrificing damage. This game is one big DPS check most of the time.

Post your build and we'll see what we're working with

[elfin summit]

Ah, thank you. How do you do that?

[red island]

open chat, there is an option menu on the right side iirc

[elfin summit]

Yes, thank you.

[marsh river]

flamethrower only xDD

[red island]

sharpshooter dont have flamethrower

[subtle bluff]

Trying to showing off in the #td2-build-advice 🤔 saying you "did" something in a heroic.

[marsh river]

btw the flamethrower is incredibly buggy and quite often refuses to ignite enemies

non buffed human enemies and they just wont burn.. randomly.

ive killed entire groups of true sons etc from 100-0 without a single one of them starting to burn, its quite weird

[meager fog]

I'm not sure he knows we can literally see the spec he's using...

[meager fog]

And also lying about it...he's using sharpshooter lmao

[meager fog]

Must be even harder to ignite enemies when you don't have a flamethrower

[verbal gust]

Just barely did a solo retaliation run on heroic. Any one have builds that can do that? I mean I’d YouTube it but YouTube builds are garbage imo

[meager fog]

Nego makes it easy

[verbal gust]

Sweet il try it, was using strikers with overdogs. Do you have that setup handy?

[meager fog]

Same set up as Strikers.

4pc Negotiators Dilemma, Ceska GC chest and Overdogs gloves with Bluescreen LMG

[marsh river]

it must be hard for you to go through life this full of bile and bitterness that you are running a custom script on discord to notify you when Aune typed something so you can hurry up and rush to the computer to vomit some stupid clown shit that is singularily ridiculous from start to end, EVERY SINGLE TIME, all of this why? cause i said one thing one time that triggered you so hard that three generations after you are born salty?

i explicitly asked you to
#NOT ENGAGE
with me because you are incredibly annoying, and you are 24/7 rage baiting me. why? you want me to insult you so i get banned? or are you just that petty that trying to follow me around and mimmick and mock everything i say will make you look cool in the eyes of the other little boys?

as for your comment of the day.. ever heard of build swapping? ok have a nice life dude.

btw @hexed steppe this is what im talking about.

[verbal gust]

Sounds a treat thank you brother.

[verbal gust]

Just hit the ignore button bro just 1 button.

[marsh river]

bro i block him and every time i post something its 50 blocked messages of some pathetic manchild ranting some stupid shit

he cant help himself, he really is that small.

[meager fog]

He already has me blocked, reading messages is his own choice lmao

[woeful zodiac]

I finally made a Striker build

[marsh river]

striker good but tipping the scales is quite a bit more comfortable to use imo

for everyday run and gun at least

i like it with bluescreen for the huge magazine and very comfortable bonus cc. makes most encounters a cake walk

[subtle bluff]

If you're looking for guides. Go to the Pinned Messages > Spreadsheet > Build Hub

[woeful zodiac]

Weapons used:
Chatterbox
Rock n Roll
Quickstep (new pistol)

Gear Pieces:
3x Striker
Ninjabike BP
Turmoil
Everyday Carrier Chestpiece

[verbal gust]

Haha I did just wanted an opinion maybe someone tried something different. Sorry bro

[meager fog]

Oh no...

[woeful zodiac]

It's good tho

[meager fog]

Define "good" because that build isn't doing much...

[marsh river]

lose the ninjabike

[subtle bluff]

If you want to show something off right do it right so we can't question it.
That is what I do. Why people listen to me and can see what effort I put into everything to either help or point them into the right direction.

[verbal gust]

Maybe content on challenging? Maybe.

[woeful zodiac]

What

[marsh river]

dont use ninjabike, put on a striker backpack instead.

[meager fog]

Ninjabike is undisputedly one of the worse backpacks in the game

[woeful zodiac]

Could u elaborate why I shouldn't use it?

[subtle bluff]

Wasn't mention the context wasn't put in so...

[marsh river]

because striker backpack is a lot better.

[verbal gust]

That’s my bad I’m try better to explain myself

[marsh river]

go with ceska chestpiece with obliterate and then coyote mask or overdogs gloves,

definitely dont use ninjabike, its a trap (ive also fallen into it many times), its almost never the best choice in 99.99% cases

[verbal gust]

And use strikers backpack that buff it gives is awesome. What @marsh river said lol

[woeful zodiac]

And what about turmoil?

[meager fog]

Turmoil kneepads are awful.

[woeful zodiac]

No way

[subtle bluff]

Chatterbox isn't great in Open PvE due needs at least 3 stack on it for it preform mid of all weapons and to keep the stacks you need to be able to kill an ad within a mag.
Like mention before NBB will always nerf any DMG build for losing a BP talents and stats.
Turmoil is really bad with Chatterbox and in general for single focus DPS due 1/2 your bullet dmg.

[meager fog]

Splitting your damage is a horrible thing to do.

[marsh river]

the problem with ninjabike is that IT IS GOOD.. the talen is really cool and promises some very interesting set combination/tweaks but... the problem is the slot it occupies - the backpack - of which there are far far better alternatives that will give you simply much higher performance. so ninjabike is never the pick to go for

[verbal gust]

Turmoil is situational at best I don’t use em marksman’s maybe

[subtle bluff]

Even then. Only way imo it's good is if you hotswap to it.

[verbal gust]

Your right

[meager fog]

I have a horrible feeling that you might also be running blue cores?

[marsh river]

do you have any noteworthy AR/LMGs instead of chatterbox? like st elmos engine, Lexington, bluescreen? maybe pestilence, but i dont like that one

[subtle bluff]

It's not 100 needed but it is a thought in the overall build.

the best builds are the ones that have the most synergy with everything in it

[marsh river]

striker build guide

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?tab=t.0

[verbal gust]

The more synergy the more damage the more higher the numbers in damage.

[subtle bluff]

DPS is king. There are gear and ways to give yourself some some survival without sacrificing a lot DPS.

[strong cave]

Give iron lung a try

[marsh river]

if u do a lot of 'crowded' content, like say countdown and heroic/legendary group runs u might consider negotiator dilemma. the single target dps is much worse than striker/tipping the scales, but if u can mark multiple targets, nothing hoses down guys faster than dilemma. also with bluescreen u become a CC bot that trivialize most content for ur group

[verbal gust]

Brooo I’ve been farming for that for 3 weeks

[strong cave]

No need to farm for it. We have retaliation now 😂 craft it

[marsh river]

mehhh iron lung, soggy gimmick gun IMHO

[strong cave]

And set targeted loot to LMGs as well during retal

[subtle bluff]

Do not listen to this. Iron Lung is super underrated we've solo and carry enough Leggo to prove this wrong.

[woeful zodiac]

I tried to use NothingButSkillz Striker Chatterbox build

[verbal gust]

I just learned now that it drops from ckeaners. Doh

Nothing but what?

[subtle bluff]

Content Creator are just around to make content.

[verbal gust]

Iron lung is a damage dealer and a cc utility. And plus fire.

[meager fog]

I wouldnt listen to anyone who recommends the use of chatterbox, honestly.

[strong cave]

Striker? No. Hunters fury, absolutely. Only in solo content

[verbal gust]

I never used it I crafted it and I put it away lol

[woeful zodiac]

I prefer to keep Everyday Carrier as I keep running out of medkits

[meager fog]

Stop getting shot.

Thats a skill issue we can sort

[strong cave]

That's a sign of you're taking fights wrong and using the wrong build

[subtle bluff]

Here's proof of Iron Lung is good but also what a good build and good gameplay does.
This was a one shot for someone challenged me to do this another CP without Taking Cover.

[strong cave]

It's not hard to not get shot in this game

I just happen to be a big ass target so it's hard for me

[woeful zodiac]

Wait can I pair up Nimble Holster and Striker?

[verbal gust]

I was a target once.

[subtle bluff]

Everything Carrier is something special but the issue with it the time you're not up and doing stuff you will get overran

[verbal gust]

Your a legend

[subtle bluff]

Exotics/Named Weapons/Gear aren't always the best nor is needed for every build.

[strong cave]

Absolutely. I actually recommend doing so. Striker with 2 blue cores is perfect. I often use this for retal and leggo content

[meager fog]

You're stuck on this idea that you need armour etc to survive.

You just need to learn to use the environment better

[subtle bluff]

I'm only a decent player

[woeful zodiac]

Is it possible to run it with Chatterbox?

If not, pls give a solid Striker build then

[verbal gust]

Pff If your a decent player than myI must be pure garbage. You should give yourself more credit chow

[subtle bluff]

I've given the advice for chatterbox already.

[woeful zodiac]

Fine, I will try it ig

[subtle bluff]

I am... Anyone can do what I do in my content. The only place where I am way above is in Incursion.

[strong cave]

Don't use chatterbox, you're best off at distance. However, any AR/LMG will do. I personally recommend St Elmo's on the build (up close go with EB). That's just AR tho. For LMG I typically go with an M249 with Killer or Frenzy. Iron Lung or Pestilence. Occasionally I'll use the L86A1 because it's a good LMG that feels like an AR

[subtle bluff]

That's pretty much the build that was used in that clip I posted.

Well not the skills and weapons.

[strong cave]

SMGs you need to be really close for them to be viable (exceptions being MPX/Backfire/Slingshot). Closer means higher chance of taking damage. 2 blues will not save you from influx of incoming damage but it does allow you to utilize nimbler holster's talent a bit better

[subtle bluff]

EVEN then.

I need to find a easier way to compress videos into discord.

[strong cave]

I personally run it with nimble and 2 blue cores on my tipping/striker builds. This is due to me wanting to use nimble as a form of healing. The damage is already there because striker

Plus cover to cover is so fun

[subtle bluff]

imo the best 2 gear for survival is Exo gloves and Memento

[verbal gust]

Nimbler is niche it’s good with that slepnier? though cover to cover?

[strong cave]

Memento just makes me play lazy. Just run around with armor hunters fury and pick up trophies. Same with striker. Yawn

[subtle bluff]

Slepnier isn't good anymore vs Normal since the Fenzy buff.

[strong cave]

Exo gloves are nice but with how gearsets are built rn, and most builds, you want contractors

[verbal gust]

Ahh I see. Tinkerer is cool w measured and frenzy if you like going kamikaze haha

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the core build imo.

[verbal gust]

That smoke cloud is annoying tho

[strong cave]

That too

[subtle bluff]

I can push soo much harder in leggo with exo gloves. It's given me really bad habits that I've had to work out myself since using them soo much.

exo glove are so powerful for survival imo

[strong cave]

I like their talent I just dislike how it's the smoke and you only get half armor back

[verbal gust]

Yeah I don’t disagree it’s a fantastic piece of gear but if they could make the clouds less like a fog wall

[strong cave]

They're pure trash for pvp. I had the idea of it with sys Corr. LOL

Guess how that went...

[subtle bluff]

One trick is swap to your pistol and back and it'll fully regen all your armor then I normally reposition during it maybe drop a decoy so I can call Shadow Clone Jitsu!!!!

[verbal gust]

You went and kissed a rogues foot yep I can see it all

[strong cave]

You doing sport mode leggo runs?

[strong cave]

Basically had their toes in my mouth. It was awful

[subtle bluff]

Some I haven't done a lot of leggo as of recent.

[verbal gust]

Yes with dust clouds fir his teammates

[strong cave]

I haven't been playing at all besides to get the new apparel and pistol. And to play conflict once or twice in a week

[subtle bluff]

I've trying to solo leggo within 5ish runs. Meh.

[strong cave]

Or the ashes of your missing legs

[verbal gust]

How’s that going for you? I’m sure you could do it

[strong cave]

Kicking ass just took on a whole new form

[subtle bluff]

Without warming up I doubt it'll take me a bit to do within 5 runs.

[strong cave]

I almost solo'd tidal basin on accident the other day 💀 wasn't even trying was just getting lucky

[verbal gust]

I kick with my hands now a days

[subtle bluff]

I probably could with modifiers but I don't really play with them.

[strong cave]

Big ass toes my boi

[strong cave]

Damn, you got me 😂

To be fair tho I was using sanitation as an "oh shit I'm too close" button

[verbal gust]

I used the modifier for all armor plates for the achievement 😂

[strong cave]

I did that one legit with a Gatling chunga

Just shoot his bullet chain and strip him down head to toe with short striker bursts

[verbal gust]

Dude it’s taken this long to complete it for me so bad dude un embarrassed

[strong cave]

It's okay, we know you can't play with your hands. Being vegetable is privilege

[subtle bluff]

Eh Chunga are fine it's the tanks or dogs that always get me when I have my EMP on CD or I forgot the spawn.

[strong cave]

We release dan here with his wheelchair and people gonna think he's the mini war hounds we need to hunt down

[verbal gust]

I know I have other peoples hands for that :p

[verbal gust]

I’ve been cut down to size it’s true had to change my height from 5’11 to 4’2 a down grade indeed

[strong cave]

G-Force!

Get you one of those hamster balls. Code you to be the new marauder

[marsh river]

oof i have some things to say about that m8.

ofc you have free will but i find that is not a great use of it. i think some course correction is in order. you are opting for a set piece that does not actually give you any noteworthy benefit, and the talent itself is exclusively a defensive option. its not terrible in itself but you are losing a LOT of damage by going this route. also, if survivability is an issue for you i'd say unbreakable might be a better pick. and then you could pick a ceska piece to put it on so you get a little bit of both.

with that said, i think offense is the best defense is definitely true in this game. the enemies cannot break your armour if they are already dead.

moving over from everyday carrier to an obliterate ceska piece would give you a substantial DPS boost which in turn means you are killing faster and taking less damage in return.

food for though, but at the end of the day its important that you play what you enjoy and feel comfortable with

[verbal gust]

Itl go with that hamster wheel I got for my birthday last Christmas just collecting dust oh well

[woeful zodiac]

the build I might try:

Weapons-
St. Elmos
Rock n Roll
Quickstep

Gear pieces-
4x Striker
Overdogs
Zero F's

Skills-
Striker Drone
Reviver Hive

[marsh river]

no to the zero f's, yes to the other

[verbal gust]

Zero fs change to ceska

[marsh river]

ceska with unbreakable or obliterate. please trust me

[woeful zodiac]

mf where am I supposed to get unbreakable talent

[strong cave]

You'll want Ceska. Ceska will give free CHC, which clears up 1 mod slot on gear, allowing more CHD

[verbal gust]

@subtle bluff did ikia break down the damage numbers for iron lung? At all?

[marsh river]

i can add that this game is largely "solved" (by that i mean, the absolutely best combinations have already been discovered). and neither zero f's or everyday carrier exist on any such list.

the best possible striker build is already widely known and agreed upon by pretty much everyone. dont try to reinvent the wheel when you are competing with a rather sizeable wheel factory who has been studying how to perfect wheels for a decade.

[strong cave]

Find a chest piece with the talent on it and extract the talent

[subtle bluff]

idk? I did for strikers tho.

[verbal gust]

Ah yes ok that makes sense

[woeful zodiac]

Bcuz it's rare for me to find Chestpiece with unbreakable

[subtle bluff]

Here bud buildstation.app

it's build site for you to use.

[verbal gust]

Run countdown target loot for ceska

[strong cave]

You'd be surprised, it's not too hard. Just need to target farm for Ceska in countdown or retaliation. It'll drop eventually

[woeful zodiac]

Sir I don't have gamepass

[subtle bluff]

Just do Oblitrate it's worth soo much more than unbreakable use other gear for surivial.

[verbal gust]

Game pass?

[subtle bluff]

A 10th Floor Summit then.

[marsh river]

finding the correct chest and backpack piece with the correct rolls and talent is the biggest struggle, you'll be hunting a while until u find one that can be optimized fully. just be patient with it. its always going to be like that. chest and backpack takes alot of farming

[verbal gust]

Yeah get to the 10th floor in summit farm it that way

[marsh river]

you'll have random rolls on the talent and the two secondary stats. you'll want to look for a piece that has correct stats on 2 out of 3 of that, so you can reroll the third, then optimize it. same for backpack

[verbal gust]

Chest pieces are a pain ugh haha youl get it tho

[marsh river]

can be yea

i still dont have a The Gift, because i salvaged the ones i had - before optimization came to the game - so they were just shit rolls and worthless to me.. they would have been perfect if i had held onto them.

captain hindsight frowned at me

[verbal gust]

I target farm exotics on fooor 10 summit all the time on Lego super easy mode

[marsh river]

you couldnt get me to enter the summit with a gun to my head. id rather spam retaliation and countdown

but to each their own 🤝

[subtle bluff]

How is the loot drop with Retaliation? I've done a few I don't look at the loot really.

[winged prism]

it seems similar in quantity to countdown

havent seen any exo drops yet which is all im farming so i cant speak to the quality

[marsh river]

im spamming relatiation for two reasons mainly.. to level up the active modifiers on journey, and to craft legacy crates maybe get lucky on the gift blueprint

the quantity of the loot is imo far less than countdown, but its still very respectable for solo content

[woeful zodiac]

What is Lego?

[marsh river]

speaking of active modifiers.. 3 of them are incredibly good and versatile.. while 2 of them are borderline worthless

[marsh river]

zoomer lingo for legendary difficulty

[woeful zodiac]

Ohhhhhh

[marsh river]

cleaners and riker retaliation only happen in new york 🫃

and both of the cleaner missions are a huge pain in my ass

[woeful zodiac]

"Only in New York"

[marsh river]

yes?

these can only occur on the new york dlc map

[woeful zodiac]

It's a reference to the song I've heard before man

[marsh river]

thats gone above my head

[subtle bluff]

@woeful zodiac you still interested on how chatterbox can be ran well?

[woeful zodiac]

With Striker and Overdogs or Exodus, yes

[subtle bluff]

Oof this is big upload but here.

[marsh river]

whats it like for xbox players to consistently headshot?

[woeful zodiac]

Great and Boring

[marsh river]

no i mean, can you even aim for the heads well with controller

[subtle bluff]

OOPS this is wwrong video..

[woeful zodiac]

Yes because of Imminence Armaments

[woeful zodiac]

If u don't have Accuracy, then it's a bit difficult

[marsh river]

well i was gonna suggest a chainkiller build but thats probably not bueno for xbox

[woeful zodiac]

What?

No Chainkiller works for Xbox

@subtle bluff can u show it?

[subtle bluff]

It's uploading

Chatterbox.

[red island]

if ninja gave 2 brand slot instead of 1 (still 1 for gear set), it would be so much better (and maybe broken but still)

[subtle bluff]

Problem would be too powerful then having 2 Gearset active would be crazy.

[red island]

good thing u read the parenthesis xd

[subtle bluff]

Ya... It's late i need to sleep... DERPPPPPPPPPPP....

[red island]

haha

[woeful zodiac]

What about Striker?
What about Rock n Roll?
What about the Overdogs or Exodus gloves?

[subtle bluff]

It's harder to run with Strikers. Why do you need RnR?

[mortal fox]

Any Good Conflict Builds?

[woeful zodiac]

Stacks

[red island]

check pinned comment

[woeful zodiac]

Plus because of the RoF

[subtle bluff]

RnR isn't BiS for stacks. Only for using Strike Chest.

[mortal fox]

Thank you

[subtle bluff]

For Strikers? Did you not see what the 4 stack box did?

HF compliments chatterbox very well and how do you have to play with it.

I did 2 runs on strikers and failed. The big thing I'm doing with the runs is slowing down to use cover.

[subtle bluff]

Over the weekend someone should be adding conflict guide.

[woeful zodiac]

Ok fine 👍🏻

[subtle bluff]

The stacks you need to keep up stacks to have your mag dmg high enough is rough. You'd have to build some stacks on strikers but then you'd either get less stacks on box due killing some or lose the stack from switching.
If you noticed in the video when reload due to swap to pistol.

hence the gameplay isn't clean because I kind of modified the my gameplay on the fly and I only did it in one run.

OH........................ crap that video is with Redline Event on..

[woeful zodiac]

Ik I remember killing the Houndsman 2 times during the Event

[foggy imp]

If I’m using tipping scale and have st Elmo in primary, if I’m using the secondary am I still getting that increased crit chance and damage from st Elmo being slotted first

[subtle bluff]

Um.. Your losing out with using an AR for a few reason you can get aways with it but your better off with Strikers with Elmo.

[red island]

all stats on guns are only used when gun is in hand, if its holstered, its not

[foggy imp]

Okay that’s what I was curious about. I know you get a lot of crit damage when at full stacks of tipping scale but wanted to get a higher crit chance

[red island]

also remember tipping scale is for lmg, not ar

[subtle bluff]

I mean you can use any weapons just you don't get as much out of it.

[red island]

yeah but you can also use 6p true patriot, and we all know its bad xd

werent u supposed to go to sleep ?

[subtle bluff]

Losing out on the LMG WD.
The stack are make for longer firing time and Suppression which LMGS do better at.

YA... I have issues......

[foggy imp]

I wasn’t using the ar. I was using the gr9 with measured in secondary. But even switching to my secondary my stats still said I had 60% crit chance with the Elmo in slot one even when I wasn’t using it.

[pastel basin]

You up again?

[amber crater]

if you go to stats and select crit hit chance it tells you from which pieces (gear, mod, weapon) these are coming from

[pastel basin]

I have one more question for the st Elmo’s variation, would it be better to run overdogs as well? Or something like coyotes and grupo

Just for overall content, like raids and countdown and general missions

[astral kraken]

overdog > coyote

amp damage beats any chc/chd gains you might get

[pastel basin]

Sighhh, so I have to get a maxed out strikers helmet now…

[astral kraken]

thats easy just do 1 run of countdown

its good to have all 6 striker pieces anyway so you can mix it up when needed

[pastel basin]

Bro, my luck is is not it, I legit ran a bighorn farm for like 2 weeks with no luck, and then I just got it randomly when I finally gave up on it and started to target for max gear mods 😭 and I got it 3x in the span of like 10 runs

Same thing with farming for other gears lol

The ai knows 👀

[pastel basin]

Back onto this comment, I’ve gotten 4 max striker kneepads… that’s the only thing I don’t need at all

[patent fossil]

@marsh river sorry, but it's not allowed to link your own content in this server - you'll need to find someone else's showcase to share

[marsh river]

bro lmao. its a 1 minute unlisted, unedited clip of div 2 gameplay, hosted on youtube for convenience.. "content" is quite a stretch. fine. ill just not try to help the new guy. mods knows best 🫃

also: deleting message instead of letting me edit out the link is a toxic way to moderate a discord server 🖕

[patent fossil]

Eh, we can't bend the rules for some circumstances and not others, has to be a simple line.
I should have given you the opportunity to edit out the links though tbf, honestly didn't even occur to me. Being toxic yourself is not a productive response though.

[marsh river]

nuance is a thing you know

[patent fossil]

Having to argue with someone about why we deleted their video but not someone else's based on nuance is not something I'm keen to spend much time doing. A simple rule is much clearer for everyone.

[marsh river]

i understand the rule, to prevent people from spamming their links to try and get some sort of following and viewers going. was this that? no. i used youtube as a file host to provide context for the build i was talking about to new guy.

and therein is the nuance.

[patent fossil]

When is a short video like that you can simply drop it into discord directly (might need to lower the resolution if it's over the file size.
We're not going to change the rule, however.

[astral kraken]

It doesn't need to be maxed out though. Just get it close enough and optimize the rest. Striker only has two things (1 core attribute and 1 attribute) so you can recalibrate one to max it out and optimize the other.

[marsh river]

its 370mb, discord is not accepting that. because i used shadowplay in raw mkv

[pastel basin]

I already got a maxed out one lol, also I’m a really low level so getting the resources to optimize it is harder than just going into countdown over and over again, especially since I don’t want to level up that fast and go into the more tryhard max expertise darkzones

[onyx sage]

what are you working towards now

[pastel basin]

Me?

[onyx sage]

ye

like what content you want to beat next and in what way

[pastel basin]

Im just trying to get expertise mainly so im actually able to kill people in dz cause apparently everyone has max expertise for some reason

[onyx sage]

you have good pvp builds yet?

[pastel basin]

Just running countdown over and over again with gear I don’t have the expertise level

[onyx sage]

nice, i assume you also have a few more. but yeah expertise farming is just mostly getting to around 13-15 and then it's just leveling so you can get filament to donate

[pastel basin]

It’s random asf ik

[onyx sage]

at that level you just hit a wall where it's just faster to use a good build to level fast

[pastel basin]

I also have a umbra build but it’s not anywhere close to being finished, need resources to optimize 😭

[onyx sage]

yeah you should focus on leveling now tbh

[pastel basin]

I have the builds, I just need to optimize all of them

FI, backfire strikers with overdogs now, and the st Elmo’s with all max mods, ongoing directive, and a hotshot build

And the 2 PvP ones I said, although my headshot mods at like 9.4 - 9.8

[onyx sage]

i know, you need to level now for both expertise and optimization mats

you also might get the max mods along the way

can use the hotshot build you have

[pastel basin]

Omfg I swear no one believe me when I say this but I swear that depending on what account you’re using or what character, you have much better chances of mods dropping, I lied about having maxed out mods for the strikers build, they’re close to maxed, but I haven’t gotten a single maxed out mod yet on this account, but on my PS account I got them without even trying to get them constantly

[marsh river]

does telling a drone to change target activate the feedback loop on hardwired set?

[woeful zodiac]

Is 4x Tipping Scales, Turmoil and Overdogs with Bluescreen good?

[hexed steppe]

1. Don't tag me for shit like this. I'm always willing to be pinged for server issues or directly responding to something I said.

2. It was a legitimate callout. The screenshot was in the wrong channel and claim had nothing to do with builds. The claim was flame thrower only and you did have action report showing sharpshooter, so they called you out because it wasn't what you claimed.

3. You will not dictate who responds to you or how one responds. This is a public server and you will get responses to what's posted. If there was something inappropriate mods are always willing to correct but the reason you tagged me didn't even raise an eyebrow.

4. This right here says more about you than others. This discord doesn't revolve around you. Just because you get response refuting what you said doesn't mean you are being targetted. 3 ppl responded to you with the same critique, yet you only targetted one in the post you tagged me about.

5. This right here is all drama, and a big problem for this server. You aired out in public so you are getting a public rebuke. One more persecution type outburst and I'll be removing you from the server. Take a step back and cool off for a bit.

[marsh river]

almost. skip turmoil. ceska chest :)

[pastel basin]

Also yeah I have been using it’s honestly so boring running control points, like, even while I’m in countdown I legit just watch something on my phone while doing objectives and my teammates do all the killing

[onyx sage]

it's the best thing you can do rn but i understand

[pastel basin]

You’re right, it is better, but like I’d rather watch paint dry than do that 😭

[astral kraken]

If I were you I'd put together a headhunter build which shouldn't be that hard b/c it doesn't need to be fully optimized. Then I would turn on all directives, call for backup, and run control points. If people stay in your group ask them if they want to do retaliation together and then do that.

[pastel basin]

Once I actually like need need the levels and resources I’ll do it lol

[onyx sage]

he has hotshot

[astral kraken]

Perfect. EZ leveling and tons of loot. Retaliation also has targeted loot so you can forget about Countdown.

And it drops tons of blueprints and named items.

[pastel basin]

Oh that definitely isn’t a problem, I go through each control point in like 2 min max without missing a shot, aiming is so easy on kbm

[astral kraken]

And bonus: if you get good with determined hotshot you will smash legendaries with it later.

[pastel basin]

Not 2 min actually, like 3

[gentle lichen]

Are the mini warhounds going away?
Cause that's now like the most effective way to get any named item outside of lex and a couple others

[astral kraken]

Awesome. Then just try to stack as much advantages as you can. Max directives, max group size, and invite people to do retaliation with you.

[astral kraken]

Get an SR-1. You'll thank me later.

[pastel basin]

Why max group? Wouldn’t that just spawn more npcs and make it just more time consuming?

[astral kraken]

More NPCs, more loot, more XP.

[silent storm]

More enemies = more loot

[onyx sage]

more adds = more xp that goes up on expertise

[pastel basin]

I have both, but I genuinely like seeing the bigger numbers

[silent storm]

Seriously thinking about deleting my HC character just so I can hold more loot

[onyx sage]

expertise max level goes up based on kill xp unless you're wearing all max proficiency stuff

[woeful zodiac]

Ykw? I'm not even gonna ask why

[silent storm]

Then if I want to do HC I'll just do it on PS5 or XSX

[pastel basin]

Rephrase that lol, I don’t understand

[marsh river]

because obliterate is way better

[astral kraken]

@pastel basin Also, we have some XP events coming up. Be ready for those.

[onyx sage]

proficiency/expertise max level will go up based on kill xp

[magic pilot]

Oh rip Aune blocked me

[onyx sage]

more adds, more kill xp

[pastel basin]

Ohhhhh

[magic pilot]

Because I said HHF was good lol

[astral kraken]

I forget exactly but in one of the XP events I was gaining like 10 levels per control point.

[woeful zodiac]

Anything other than Ceska with obliterate?

[astral kraken]

It was actually annoying because the proficiency caches would pile up so fast I just started ignoring them.

[pastel basin]

Gotcha, also I don’t understand the expertise event, is it for like donating the resources, the actual gear or just wearing it?

[magic pilot]

These are the main ones I'm running lately

[marsh river]

no. turmoil is named ceska, so u cant reroll it. u want ceska, just not with that talent

[pastel basin]

^^^ opening them up takes longer than actually doing a control point lol

[magic pilot]

You can fast open them

[pastel basin]

Fast open?

[astral kraken]

There's a trick to open them up faster:

• Hold F to open a cache
• When it starts listing the loot hold F again
• That will start "opening" the next one before this one finishes

And keep repeating that.

[pastel basin]

WHATTTT

[astral kraken]

It's slow af when there is a bonus item but it's still faster with that too.

[pastel basin]

OMFG, that would’ve saved me so much damn time

[astral kraken]

The other one you can try is this:

• Open a cache
• While it's listing items press E
• Then quickly press Q
• Then quickly navigate back to caches

If you have giga chad fingers you can make that work.

[pastel basin]

I have the umbra one, but just red and blues, 3 reds and 3 blues

[magic pilot]

It's insanely strong with skill tiers

[pastel basin]

Not skill tiers

Really? 👀

[magic pilot]

You get the dmg from capacitor talent, and crazy defender drone + sticky bomb

[astral kraken]

BTW this is exactly the feedback I gave to them about PvP. I got pushback on Reddit for this. But the gateway into PvP is just terrible and they need to fix that. People shouldn't have to farm for hours and hours to build up the basics for fighting others players. /soapbox

[magic pilot]

One yellow core gives you half a weapon core for capacitor

[pastel basin]

Sighhh, now I have to get new pieces again, I mean I’m already in countdown so why not lol

[magic pilot]

Umbra is super easy to farm, other than that it's a huge pain

Capacitor takes like 5 min to get, one countdown gets you all the umbra pieces. Picaros blueprint drops from control point crates

[astral kraken]

Yea but at the very least you need max all stats on gear and weapons. We all have ridiculous amount of mats now but new players won't.

[pastel basin]

^^^

[astral kraken]

And you're still basically locked out of invaded DZ because expertise.

[pastel basin]

Im broke on steel, field recon data and that one cloth material

[magic pilot]

Regular dz has expertise too btw

Only conflict doesn't have it

[astral kraken]

I thought they removed that? Well that sucks.

It really needs to change because PvP in this game is so good when no one is exploiting and people start on equal ground.

[magic pilot]

They planned on it, then went back on it

[magic pilot]

I've been playing a ton of conflict, and I must admit it's nice not worrying about having 30 expertise

[astral kraken]

There's so much depth to it when it's a fair game. Imagine how awesome it would be as an esport.

The amount of clutch plays that are possible...

Anyway sorry that's off topic

[onyx sage]

have you tried clicking the "Open Cache" with left click and spamming space instead? pair this with the Q/E for bonus caches

[cerulean smelt]

you've become one of us congratulations!

[onyx sage]

i just spam left click and space to open proficiency caches now, holding F takes too long

[astral kraken]

I'll try it out. The F thing goes really fast for me after the first one opens.

[cerulean smelt]

you know double clicking the caches instant open them as well?

[hexed steppe]

Its actually single clicking the hold f tooltip

[astral kraken]

Now I do! I'll try it. The F thing also basically instantly opens them one after the other. You just have to wait to open the first one.

[hexed steppe]

They need that option for apparel caches

[astral kraken]

apparel caches are a honeypot for macro users

[pastel basin]

I just spam space while holding x and go on my phone lol

[hexed steppe]

Yup, just gotta commit ones self to carpal tunnel 10mins a week

[onyx sage]

apparel cache is just holding X then Q/E ad infinitum

[pastel basin]

Remember when I was trying to farm for a strikers headpiece and had to optimize a somewhat decent role… now I get this…. Not even targeted either btw

Ai hates me

[astral kraken]

That's why target farming one thing is not good for your mental health lol. Always have a list of like 10 things you are looking for and just play the game.

[pastel basin]

True true, I’m mainly just looking for mods at this point, more striker pieces for a one shot pistol build and the setup with repair skills and skill haste already on it.

I always keep gear I think is really good for later use, even if it’s completely random, I’m a bit of a hoarder

[marsh river]

you can only hoard so much.. on account of storage limitations

[astral kraken]

and honestly just enjoy the grind. i'm at a point where i'm not looking for anything so i don't get the dopamine of finding something good. loot is just annoying now.

[small igloo]

I started a completely new second account unfortunately I forgot about the resource library. Here comes the grind again.

[marsh river]

why would u do that to urself

[pastel basin]

Sometimes starting with nothing is better than achieving everything in terms of fun

[small igloo]

So if push comes to shove, I can boost my own hard-core character one on PS4 or the other PS five

[pastel basin]

Oh, I thought it was cause of what I said lol, like in Warframe, I spent so many hours into new accounts in that game cause the story is so fun but then afterwards the endgame gets so boring

[small igloo]

I got so bored of doing raids that’s what ended up pushing me into the hard-core characters

[magic pilot]

what are you farming for?

[pastel basin]

I hope that’s what happens to me, but instead I just stop playing this game, I genuinely don’t understand how people get to lvl 10,000+ I basically no lifed this game on like 3 separate accounts and combined they aren’t even over 4k

[pastel basin]

I needed it earlier for this build

But when I got the headgear, I went into countdown like 5x and just gave up and picked the highest weapon damage one

Which was like 13.1 and upgraded optimized it

[small igloo]

Fresh air and grass is overrated anyways .

[pastel basin]

😭

[hazy steeple]

Countdown is a pretty standard farming method, just do 1 run a day and you'll finish off most builds in a couple of weeks.

[wraith zealot]

ngl retal has been kind in terms of stat for my targeted gear.

so much i dont touch countdown anymore

[astral kraken]

yea retaliation is awesome

more variety, blueprints, tons of loot

[hazy steeple]

Sure, 2 good methods for farming is better than the 1 we had before.

(don't mind Summit, it's fine sitting in the corner by itself)

[wraith zealot]

summit is untouched because no one wanted to use their Fl.100 CP

[pastel basin]

My first maxed out mod :0

[hazy steeple]

All that effort to farm it out, and as soon as the Climax Mission drops, everyone's gonna get it in a day.

[pastel basin]

I’ve been running countdown since like 9 I believe lol

[marsh river]

i swear i have never seen a single habsburg piece roll weapon handling or headshot damage

[magic pilot]

@subtle bluff for wright do i LD with overdogs?

[silent storm]

Can you get exculsive exotics from the caches if you never got them before or do you need to get the exotic to drop elsewhere before it will show up in Countdown exotic caches?

[hazy steeple]

The caches from countdown are the same as getting an Exotic cache from anywhere else, if that helps./

@marsh river A piece is more likely to roll with the same colour stats as it's "core" has, it's known as "rainbow protection", by the oldies, but think of it as the game trying to be nice.
There's a reason people tell you to buckle up when you're trying to farm for it.

[silent storm]

I've been farming one of those to go with Trauma for a long time

[cerulean smelt]

Eagle Bearer, Ravenous and Regulus are stuck to raids
ourobourus is stuck to Paradise Lost Incursion
only exception is the Stretch goals
EB and Rav in Dark Zone but these last 2 are in the single digit drop chance

[silent storm]

So I do have to do the content to get them first before they show up in the caches

[hazy steeple]

Those 4 will never show up in exotic caches.

[cerulean smelt]

no, the stretch goals and and dark zone are just extremely low single digit chance

[hazy steeple]

Not even single digit, in the case of the dark zone.
The drop chance for the EB/rav/bighorn in the dark zone is, and I'm not joking: 0.024%. With no boost from Targeted Loot (TL).

[cerulean smelt]

stretch goals is going to keep growing them exclusive exotics so the percentages of getting an exclusive raid/incursion is starting to thin quite a bit

[silent storm]

I got my BH from the DZ so lucky me

[hazy steeple]

0.024% lucky.

you used up all your luck for the next 3 decades.

[cerulean smelt]

why we tell people, do the raids for something like 10% chance from the cache at the end X4 (if you run it with all 4 agents a week) not sure the chance of ouro

[hazy steeple]

I know Ouro is supposedly like 1% from the bosses in PL, but yeah it's more a case of asking people to be nice.

How I got my first EB.

If it makes people who are hunting for it feel better: you probably won't use them afterwards.

[cerulean smelt]

mine droped my first run, which i handed to another buddy at the suggestion of the group "next one drops is yours" so we ran and hey EB dropped i got mine back 😹

[silent storm]

Fastest way to farm Field Recon Data? I need to max this gun out because it is really good

[magic pilot]

craft

[magic pilot]

yea 10% from the box as well

[cerulean smelt]

craft, watch and probably Control points? unless i'm thinking of soemthing else?

[marsh river]

i understand that, im just saying its been a damn long time and no hit on those

[magic pilot]

dz landmarks are the fastest

[silent storm]

DZ is so boring though with all the running even with QS

[cerulean smelt]

oh right, those are the flag icons right?

[hazy steeple]

@marsh river You are actively fighting against the RNG.
It could technically never drop.

[magic pilot]

yea

[marsh river]

iknoe

[cerulean smelt]

nods i just crafted/watch pointed mine honestly, but i was high enough shd to do so

[silent storm]

OK fastest LM to overtake that you can just repeat over and over?

[cerulean smelt]

probably don't work that way, like control points where you can take it over. reset control points honestly

[silent storm]

yeah CP is what I meant

[magic pilot]

navy plaza

[hazy steeple]

Opinions differ wildly on the fastest, but make sure you wait for a bonus SHD XP event to be active.

[small igloo]

I pulled a regulus on my hard-core character during the first stretch goals and I promptly lost it two days later. RNG is cursed to me since.

[hazy steeple]

A Regular? Well at least it wasn't anything useful.

(for those confused: the "regular" was the joke name that the devs gave to the april fools version that we could get, that couldn't be equipped and did nothing).

[cerulean smelt]

the pour souls who got excited getting that and little horn oh and the satiated

[small igloo]

Regulus, speech to text is not working good today

[astral kraken]

hold up are you yapping irl and it goes to discord?

[hazy steeple]

speech-to-text, and text-to-speech is a useful accessibility feature, even div2 has it ingame.

[bright raptor]

yes, the wonders of technology

[silent storm]

I use TTS because I never pay attention to chat and it helps immensly

[astral kraken]

should i use coyote mask or dennis get down off the coffee table now. now get down. no dennis. no. bad dog.

[cerulean smelt]

and yet people out there still try to text and drive.....

[small igloo]

I wish technology could’ve caught the joy on my face when I opened that cache and then the look of horror as I lost the character lol

[hazy steeple]

I'm more in the "have to use it for physical reasons", gotta love it.

@small igloo I think that's called a v-tuber reaction channel.

[cerulean smelt]

those have been popular lately haven't they?

[silent storm]

Need that Tobii eye tracking on

[small igloo]

lol

[cerulean smelt]

oof, come back to see a big white square and poof it's gone

[small igloo]

The clip opening box was sounds of joy, don’t think I would be able to post the clip of when I lost it.

[cerulean smelt]

imagine those with extremely thin walls using speech to text?

[hazy steeple]

@silent storm tone it down.

Okay back to the builds, folks.

[pliant pelican]

curious. if i would go from this into Tipping Scales? what weapon should i get / farm for. / what would be the gearwise be? been thinking to switch around from this ongoin directive

[cerulean smelt]

think highest damage wise for tipping would be ceska chest with obliterate or glass cannon and overdogs exotic gloves
i've been using GR9 with Frenzy for my build and love it

[pliant pelican]

ah. noice. i have seen folk running bullet king / pestilance and those exotics. Not sure if i got exotic gloves but, how does the set work even?

[cerulean smelt]

however long you can shoot for you gain stacks that increases your crit damage, think upto 75? chest gives you more stacks but like striker chest it's kind moot to use in normal circumstances

you also don't lose stacks as long as you supress enemies i think? or it slows the decay for awhile

[pliant pelican]

so striker ish but lmg.

[cerulean smelt]

and completely crit based

[pliant pelican]

intrestin.

[pliant pelican]

tbh having Frenzy on ongoin is hilarious just Beams them out like a thanos snap.

[cerulean smelt]

avengers 2 was the last movie i've watched. i've seen youtube videos or even facebook posts or gifs of that

[astral kraken]

sacrifice chest is better than glass cannon ceska by 5%

[cerulean smelt]

isn't tipping scales crit starved though?

[onyx sage]

hell no lol

you can just use crit chance attributes on gear, it's backwards from striker's where you want to maximize chc attributes elsewhere so you can focus chd on gear

[cerulean smelt]

i went chance on my anyways to reach taht 55-60% then built for damage afterwards

[astral kraken]

Oh I was thinking Nego which is a calculation I did recently. Anyway PGC will still win because the +5% amp will be better than the extra CHD you gain.

It doesn't really matter what the other stats are because you're swapping out ceska chest for sacrifice chest. So all you are comparing is what the ceska chest gives and what the sacrifice chest gives.

Also with TS specifically the diminishing returns on CHD are pretty severe. Since TS is giving an insane amount of CHD.

[red island]

what diminishing return ?

[cerulean smelt]

i just like pushing the boundaries, been tempted to do a Backfire build with it 😹

[astral kraken]

The CHD it provides is so high that putting more into CHD (vs gaining 5% amp) doesn't net you that much in the end.

Since all CHD is additive with itself.

[red island]

ah you mean vs pgc

[astral kraken]

Yea Ceska GC vs Sacrifice on a TS build.

[red island]

its not diminishing return, its just amp damage is just too good vs everything else

there is no diminishing return on chd in itself

[cerulean smelt]

all i care about is i point my lmg at something and it disappears

[red island]

yeah but we care about how fast it disappear

[astral kraken]

The highlighted column is the diminishing return. Diminishing returns aren't part of something "in itself". It's simply the how the math works when a stat is additive with itself. The more of that stat you add the less gain it is providing.

So when TS is providing a lot of CHD already (350% with backpack) then you're gaining very little by adding more CHD into your build.

[red island]

well the first line is wrong for starters

[silent storm]

I use TS Chest and Back over PGC or GC + Vig

TS back is too good and once ramped up TS chest is great

Would love to try OD + Turmoil but I don't have the knees yet

[cerulean smelt]

save yourself hte disappointment

[red island]

as i said, pgc is better than almost everything in that slot, but for the rest, if your make a crit build, you have to max out the crit damage, cause thats your only damage

there is no diminishing return when u cant have anything else

[astral kraken]

Just a rounding error. I made that fast 🙂

[red island]

there is no rounding in 10% its just 10%, but its not the issue

[astral kraken]

there is no diminishing return when u cant have anything else
Saying "there is no diminishing return" is false. The diminishing return exists mathematically.

The decision after that is what you do with that information. If you're trying to squeeze out every ounce of damage from the build then ignore the diminishing return and just add more CHD.

But you could also, for example, decide that the little bit you're gaining isn't worth it and spec into something else. Weapon handling for example.

[silent storm]

This is how I have it built and it does the DMG

[cerulean smelt]

i put Tipping Scales chest in with Striker chest. something you'll never always have full stacks with because heroic content things die too fast with the set

[silent storm]

Just keep shooting you don't need to hit anything to charge TS chest

[cerulean smelt]

unless you run around with cooler and keep firing that as it doesn't have a mag

[astral kraken]

Just don't shoot deer or dogs 😠

[silent storm]

You can do that as well

[cerulean smelt]

duh? but there are places like in Zoo where you're running quite a bit and will lose stacks anyways

[red island]

u look it wrong tho, its a straight line on a graph, each bonus chd gives you the same bonus damage

wait lemme open my soft

[astral kraken]

No need, what you're saying is this:

[red island]

yes

basically

pgc is still better as i mentionned tho

[astral kraken]

That's not how the decision is made though. The decision is made like above. That's where you are and you're deciding what mod/bonus/whatever to get.

The original damage number doesn't matter anymore basically.

[silent storm]

ALmost full stacks TS CHD

[cerulean smelt]

no i think Lyfe is misunderstanding you on the diminishing returns bit since you've only mentioned ceska GC and Sacrifice. when you probably meant ceska obliterate

[astral kraken]

Nope I get what Lyfe is saying. They're saying that diminishing return isn't a factor in this discussion at all because PGC is just straight up better. There's no reason to talk about diminishing return here. And they are correct.

[red island]

it does matter, you are using it as a base to calc everything else

[astral kraken]

My only quibble is saying that there is no diminishing return with CHD. It exists but you can just ignore it in some cases.

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't matter anymore with the quickstep w/e helps you clear well now.

[hexed steppe]

put backfire on there for testing purposes

[red island]

my maths classes start to be way too old for me to remember all i need to explain

[cerulean smelt]

don't tempt me

[silent storm]

Let me get it off my other character

[astral kraken]

It's all good. I think we have the same understanding but coming to it from different perspectives. You obviously know what diminishing returns is so we're just discussing semantics at this point. We can put it to rest 🙂

[red island]

ok i tried to explain it but i scrapped it all, i just cant with thoses barriers

[hexed steppe]

-# Must.. Resist.. Urge.. to.. Popcorn.. Emote..

[red island]

my classes are way too old + english isnt my first language

[cerulean smelt]

Shia "JUST DO IT! *poses"

[onyx sage]

i understand lyfe's pov as the return linearly is the same, kestrel's pov is also correct in that the linear gain remains constant

[red island]

yes, basically that

[astral kraken]

enny: you're both right, now hug!

[red island]

we can hold hands if u want

[astral kraken]

🫨

[solar sable]

kiff

[cerulean smelt]

do you 2 need us all to leave the room? 🍿

[astral kraken]

at least we completed the diminishing return argument for this year

back in the day it would rehashed every month

[red island]

tbf talking about very specific and detailed stuff in english is hard

we should delete that language

[astral kraken]

i can only english so props to you

oh no i can speak cyberpunk 2077 too

[meager fog]

I was born in England and i'm still not very good at it 😛

[solar sable]

can confirm :l

[silent storm]

My BF isn't maxxed but this is CHD max TS stacks

[cerulean smelt]

yay, i'm not the only one!

[red island]

u have too much chc

[cerulean smelt]

well, not born in england but can't really speak or write english

[solar sable]

i can sense a chc leakage somewhere

[silent storm]

Can probably push the Backfire CHD over 800% due to native CHC which I didn't adjust for the SMG on my gear

[solar sable]

or whatever it is written

[cerulean smelt]

imagine if BF with TS was the goto for Redline Event 😹

[solar sable]

"It's never lupus Redline."

[silent storm]

Almost got it

That's a lot of CHD

ANd my gunner has no SMG DMG on it

[silent storm]

Ok so I just remapped some SMG DMG onto my Gunner spec and ran some missions as TS Backfire. This thing is fun, but I am thinking Ceska Chest with Obliterate and possible a bit of sustain because you will down yourself as all red.

I downed myself twice lol

[red island]

i mean if u play pgc, u def cant go in their face for free x)

[silent storm]

I was using TS Chest

[red island]

well, ceska wont help in that case, u just go down as fast

thats all red builds for u

[silent storm]

Yeah I was thinking of changing a TS piece to Blue core

[red island]

blue core wont help u, same as people running picaro for red and blue core

[silent storm]

Well some type of sustain is needed

[red island]

i mean if u play backfore, just go hunters fury

its less damage but you cant have it all, either get more damage or more sustain, not both

[silent storm]

That was what my BF was actually on when I took it over to my TS character

[red island]

tbh ts is made for lmgs, and firing endlessly and suppress enemies, not smg

[silent storm]

Just having fun over here downing myself with BF

And ramped up TS BF breaks tank armor so fast lol

[strong cave]

Yay diminishing returns

[magic pilot]

you have gunner thats all you need

[silent storm]

Will 1% armor regen counter the BF bleed?

[red island]

not really, and its not the issue

[silent storm]

NM just reread how BF armor DMG works

[magic pilot]

you should be fine with gunner

[dreamy valve]

Another affirmation for my Shepherding skillz

[subtle bluff]

why do people insist on postingi these types of pic in build advice...

[red island]

same reason people post lfg in any other channel than lfg

reading is hard

[cerulean smelt]

could be they don't know they can post pictures in community channel or this is just more active than community

[subtle bluff]

This is the least active channel out of the rest of them... idk.

[gloomy spruce]

I thought it was a post saying how amazing healing seakers are on his build.

Talking about healing seakers and a build is on topic, right?

@dreamy valve That was what you were bringing up, correct?

[dreamy valve]

Y-yeah healing seekers on your build

[lament reef]

healing seekers are rolling turds

why do they have the same heal rate as the fixer drone, which actually works as expected and you don’t have to wait for a cloud to spawn

[verbal gust]

I’m running around with an 1886 and 1 shotting everything with determined and head hunter I have found my build guys.

[solar sable]

hell yeah, is it HE?

[subtle bluff]

For most it is. I just like both my HHF version. I'll probably start working on my DPS build guide this weekend.

[proven comet]

its recommended to re-roll it?

[subtle bluff]

Is that DTTooC?

[proven comet]

yes

[subtle bluff]

I'd assume but I already have issues with English.

[subtle bluff]

No keep that.

[proven comet]

well, i optimize the crit chance?

[subtle bluff]

ya

I wouldn't stresss it but get there.

[proven comet]

perfect, ty mate

[verbal gust]

HE? Idk but I have turmoil on and I get multi kill headshots it’s hilarious. I’m lmao 😂

[subtle bluff]

HE (High-End) build

[verbal gust]

Ah yes. Sorry no it’s got 2 piece breaking point on it. Sry.

[subtle bluff]

It more or less is.

It's not a gearset build you are using pcs for it but it's HE build since it's all just stats.

[onyx sage]

generally we only call builds that use 4p of the gear set "gear set builds"

[verbal gust]

Correct Ser. I have the one version you guys got in the builds pin. But this seems more consistent. I have overdogs and turmoils though I did use momento which was ok with overdogs if you got a lot of different ad specs you gotta piano your way to the boss the only down side for me. I mean which is easy, just mean the numbers for amp dmg. Context: farming floor 10 per se.

[onyx sage]

hotshot and some other gear sets are rare exceptions in that the lower number pieces still give useful bonuses

[verbal gust]

Understood.

[subtle bluff]

In heroic it all works to a degree. I use DCH with reggie on mine depends on the content. That's how I am able to deal with boss.
I'm normally on HHF.

[verbal gust]

I used your advice with exodus gloves and I had a dust cloud in my way but I could see the highlight on their head so that was a plus. Haha and Reggie is my GE pistol farmer. Lol

[subtle bluff]

I wouldn't use exo gloves with HH build.

[verbal gust]

Yeah right. That was a bad idea. Anyway. lol

[subtle bluff]

It's more reason I play on HF. CC and AoK.

[onyx sage]

I'm gonna play shotgun white death for my next video

i blame u

[teal harbor]

rying out tipping scales - 3 blue cores/overdogs/turmoil - how do you stay alive without a shield. I'm run and gun but i'm getting wiped all over the place with this one

[subtle bluff]

Few things:

• Build wise don't use turmoil half your dmg to the target your shooting.
• Don't use TS chest
• Skill like Decoy are helpful

Gameplay wise.

• Use cover

More context is help to answer the rest.

[teal harbor]

ceska/obilerate for chest?

[rich cosmos]

Does overdogs work in pvp?

[solar sable]

If you want R&G then I would highly suggest HF w/Memento

[teal harbor]

I'm usually solo - I've been running strikers/cheska chest/momento/st elmos 3 blues and crushing everything.

[solar sable]

HF is often used (without HH) with SMGs and shotguns

so it's a very good build for run & gun play style players

[onyx sage]

no

[teal harbor]

I'll try that out - should I use the chest/backpack?

[solar sable]

uhm no, just like you would use it with strikers
HF mask, gloves, knees and holster
Ceska chest and Memento

[teal harbor]

chatterbox or lady death? (assuming i want an SMG)

[shy willow]

Chatterbox is fun but I wouldn't suggest lady death

Last I checked the smg9 and 45. Vector are popular

[hexed steppe]

Running?!

[subtle bluff]

You do not need to use an SMG. SMG just works with the playstyle to get HF to work.

[teal harbor]

HF def more my speed lol

[rich cosmos]

Guess I could swap to something like exodus maybe

Haven’t tried exodus in pvp

[teal harbor]

Switch for overdogs if playing in a group?

[subtle bluff]

HF in group if you think of your build and how talents works.

ads scales to your group size too so you can't do the same thing you do in solo play normally.

[teal harbor]

what's a good group build ( i don't play in groups often)

[subtle bluff]

Strikers and TS are good.

[gentle lichen]

Super funny in dz south stairs

[rich cosmos]

Idk me personally I tried playing conflict with an umbra set up

[gentle lichen]

if you lose armor without unbreakable or tardi you might as well be dead exodus won't do good

and if you use unbreakable with umbra what the hell are you doing

[rich cosmos]

Yea

Maybe Ill throw on something for haz protection

Cheska has two piece haz right?

[gentle lichen]

yeah 20%
i vaguely remember a hazard ninja umbra with ceska and 1 cav

do not quote me on its effectiveness though

[rich cosmos]

Cool but Im an active hater of capacitor

[gentle lichen]

unfortunately it is top tier with ninja umbra

[gentle lichen]

bro

[rich cosmos]

How much haz does cheska give

[gentle lichen]

.

cav gives 30% so only 50% left to immunity
or 40% if dz

[teal harbor]

what's the umbra conflict build?

[gentle lichen]

pretty much this

you can find variations in amount of blues or another AR or tinkerer but it comes down to what weapons you wanna use

[magic pilot]

ton of people using umbra tinkerer too

well first cheater in a min

[idle lynx]

haven’t played in a while i just really got back into this game

[subtle bluff]

Follow the guide above but use overdogs intead of Coyotces

[dreamy valve]

It’s a set it and forget it skill that can tag your group as opposed to other healing skills where you have to manually apply them or just a one person heal like the drone. You could also use both for your character to heal up surprisingly quickly if you have low armor

[hoary atlas]

Finally i got birdie quick fix backpack

Which gear set should use

[glossy rover]

i use umbra exodus with devils due and eb

rarely but its fun when i can use it to full potential

[devout iris]

What build should I run once I get shroud?

[red island]

should is best with the headhunter hotshot build, or just hotshot if you prefer

[pastel basin]

For this build, should I role weapon handling or chc on the providence piece?

[magic pilot]

doesnt matter

[red island]

u shouldnt build that most certainly

[pastel basin]

Hmmm?

[pastel basin]

Okieee

This is still the build for one shotting bosses no?

[magic pilot]

yea

[onyx sage]

also make a version of this with pgc instead of prov gloves

[foggy imp]

Or purple if you read that

[astral kraken]

Keep in mind that in group play people can steal your achilles marks without realizing it. So if you mark the boss while teammates are shooting you might lose the mark.

[foggy imp]

@astral kraken can you help me optimize this tipping scale build? I feel like I’m not hitting nearly as hard as all these videos I see

[astral kraken]

just post it here bud

[pastel basin]

Pgc?

[magic pilot]

ping?

[onyx sage]

perfect glass cannon

[pastel basin]

Why though?

[cerulean smelt]

that's usually the problem with streamer videos

[pastel basin]

Pgc does more damage? Than regular striker chest?

[foggy imp]

Not good at the build edit on my phone but I’m running blue screen primary with ceska/obliterate chest, overdog gloves and the rest tipping scales. Sitting it 52% crit chance and 92% crit damage.

[foggy imp]

True everyone hypes up the tinkerer mask and says it’s the most broken build to get through any content in the game

[pastel basin]

Just send a picture then at that point 🤷‍♂️

[onyx sage]

sometimes you don't wanna spend too much time stacking

[cerulean smelt]

no, they barely show the build then it's a bunch of well edited clips of them doing a lot of damage. far asi know they could be using a different build all together

[pastel basin]

Ohhh so make both versions depending on the situation then?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[pastel basin]

Alright bet

[onyx sage]

for striker chest you need 24 rounds of acs to max if using r&r for example, for wright i'm seeing my clan just use pgc so they just hit the breakpoint in a third of the rounds needed. striker chest still does more damage tho but for wright you don't need that much cuz you have multiple shooters

[astral kraken]

Damage seems fine to me. My litmus test for damage is the first chunga that comes out of the chopper. If I can kill him before he touches the ground then damage is good enough.

Personally I prefer the BK with TS though b/c my clears are faster with it. The damage is so high that I don't need to bother with marking stuff. And I prefer holding on to skills for when I really need them instead of to trigger the CC from bluescreen.

[hexed steppe]

Kills trigger the cc as well

[astral kraken]

Yea I'm thinking of cases where I really need the CC. When stuff isn't quite dead enough and I don't want them to run away and hide.

ND feels a lot better with the bluescreen but even there I prefer the BK 😛

[foggy imp]

What chest piece are you wearing ?

[astral kraken]

Sacrifice named chest. It has the perfect glass cannon talent! Best chest in the game.

[foggy imp]

Doesn’t help that my watch isn’t have max crit chance and damage yet. Only 25 for both at the moment and I only have the Ceska chest right now to get a higher crit chance

[astral kraken]

If my watch wasn't maxed out I'd just run Striker tbh.

[foggy imp]

Okay I’ll just run that with the st Elmo and acs till I get my watch higher

I have that chest piece but I’m not good at positioning yet to be good enough to not get one tapped

[astral kraken]

You have a health gate so you'll never get one tapped 🙂

But yea with glass cannon you kinda need lots of damage to make up for your squishyness.

[onyx sage]

yeah your health gate every 30s is the most important mechanic that helps you

[silent storm]

Emperor's Guard are DZ only? Why are so many people on Reddit obsessed with this garbage gear piece?

[meager fog]

Slight correction health gate has a cooldown.

[foggy imp]

Even then when I take off the ceska chest my crit chance it’s only in the 40’s

[meager fog]

And you MUST recover to full health before the gate can be activated again

[silent storm]

And that is why they send 2-3 bomber drones in Legendary ...

[marsh river]

anyone done a refactor oxidizer build? is it even remotely viable?

[foggy imp]

I sent you a dm to pick your brain on other options

[astral kraken]

just ask here 🙂

[foggy imp]

Are there any other good dps builds to run when your watch isn’t maxed out? Kind of bored of just running striker/st Elmo

I feel like nothing at the moment can come close to the striker, st Elmo with overdog combo

[astral kraken]

• hunter's fury memento
• headhunter
• negotiator blue screen

probably backfire too but i don't run that b/c the bleed slow effect is annoying

[cerulean smelt]

that's probably your problem. you're comparing everything to striker with st elmo damage wise which nothing really can top it

[cerulean smelt]

with that i belive that's why people go the haz pro route with it so they don't bleed and run slower

[astral kraken]

yea. too many steps for me.

outside of incursion i dont need 2m+ crits anyway

[foggy imp]

Is headhunter a talent ?

[foggy imp]

You’re correct. It’s fun dealing that much damage but would like something close to it. Why I wanted to try the tipping scale route but my watch isn’t high enough to see those damage numbers

[astral kraken]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j4Km15oZKIc1Hym0y-G2nMMYDH6mqRgLiumI68E724E/edit?usp=sharing

its the perfect leveling build type b/c it doesnt need to be optimized to smash stuff

and you can run it with all directives no problem

make yourself a hotshot build and run open world with all directives during the XP event. you'll max out your watch in no time.

i prefer the SR-1 to the MMRs listed there

fast fire rate, big mag

[cerulean smelt]

i go the Handbasket route 😹

[foggy imp]

I will definitely work on that. Seems pretty fun to use. When does the xp event start or has it already

[cerulean smelt]

if you're on now, you can check when the xp event is coming by going into the menu where you see The Pact, go into that there's an events tab within that, lists all the events

[foggy imp]

I am not on but I will be shortly thank you. Also if I’m running the overdog combo is ceska always going to be best in slot for chest or is the grupo decent

[cerulean smelt]

ceska is usually mentioned since something like striker doesn't get much in crit chance aside the minor, so if you're going to wear a gear set ceska is going to be best so you can get closer to taht 55-60% chance

[foggy imp]

Thank you @cerulean smelt @astral kraken for the tips and advice

[cerulean smelt]

as you can see, DMs isn't neccessary. just asking here posting pictures of your build here and questions here you'll get help from people in general

[dreamy valve]

I think it would lack the healing sustain that the set depends on, and the damage oxidizer depends on with having to use the set, vs the basic turret and drone combo in most combat scenarios

[cerulean smelt]

About only consistent damage I can see from it is the turrets and the mini tanks if you get the engineer so it's just sitting still and the chungas who laughs at the damage it does

[dreamy valve]

The oxidizer ammo would be the main issue, as it would gate both your healing and damage over the course of a mission. Btsu would be a must slot