td2-build-advice

[subtle bluff]

Just from experience and being a decent player and being able carry some teams. Generally it's your uptime getting to +75% stacks with chest isn't happening enough, where obliterate or GC just does more more earlier and doesn't have to hard to restack to be worth.
I only say this after watching my replays and noticing my uptime isn't worth trade off of just being closer to be peak DPS sooner.

[meager fog]

Also the 3 stacks loss per second is a KILLER when in maps with alot of distance to cover

Looking at YOU MNZ

[magic pilot]

Shroud is my favorite mmr now

[meager fog]

It's certainly very powerful, a good secondary for alot of builds too

Love surprising Rogue Agents with it while wearing Overdogs aswell 🤣

[hexed steppe]

stacks are irritating regardless
need nego in your life

[meager fog]

You're going to keep pushing that on me until I give it a fair shot 🤣

[hexed steppe]

youll be converted 😎

[subtle bluff]

I need to post the video I sent you here local

[shy willow]

Can confirm it's really busted

Just takes more brain power than striker

[hexed steppe]

for me, bluescreen kinda makes it complete. overdogs were icing on top

i mained nego for a long time, but abusing the hell out of the bs CC is just 👨‍🍳 🤌

[subtle bluff]

Negooooo Screeening

[hexed steppe]

why take down 1 npc when you can take down 3. added bonus, in groups npcs know you want all the smoke

[subtle bluff]

My turn to do it now.

[lost wren]

i should try nego
shit looks fun

[hexed steppe]

definitely should. make sure to read the talent, crit chance to 60%

and use the nego bag

[hexed steppe]

my ideal setup

[lost wren]

oh glass canon instead of ob

[hexed steppe]

oblit is acceptable tho

[lost wren]

ye

[hexed steppe]

once you get used to managing the aggro make the jump to glass, you wont look back... i promise

[meager fog]

Always GC if you can handle it

[lost wren]

i wish i could hold more space for more loadouts

[hexed steppe]

64 slots not enough

[lost wren]

need to stash some i don't use

[hexed steppe]

oh actual items

[lost wren]

ye the 150 cap thing

[hexed steppe]

you can slim it down by using the same chest and bags in similar setups. i keep around 120-130 pieces on me and cover a full compliment of builds.

this is replicated across 4 agents

[lost wren]

i only really use one agent lol
only made a second one to do IH again for regulus

[hexed steppe]

its nice for the easy projects and skips for prio obj. basically use for farming exotic components

[lost wren]

haven’t used the bluescreen before though, what’s so special about it?

[cerulean smelt]

when i used it. was like shooting a laser and the talent to do a bunch of things per kill is nice
also with OD it's practicallly infinite hollow point bullets

[hexed steppe]

you get a lot of cc. and it had great handling

you can trigger the cc effect from bluescreen stacks on anything that you mark with bluescreen whenever you use a skill, or at full stacks on kill , to every npc thats close to one you have marked

[lost wren]

man i need to make an od build too

[hexed steppe]

you can abuse this using an emp sticky firing into the air... triggers cc every 3-4 seconds 😎

[lost wren]

honestly i should change my skills, been using shield and revive hive for ages now

emp and decoy feel so much better to use

[hexed steppe]

yeah, im usually gunner pulse/emp sticky, or revive/emp sticky

i slept on bluescreen for a long time

[subtle bluff]

Hehe. I need to video guide for it.

[meager fog]

Learning to play without the crutch of a Revive hive is a game changer honestly

The sooner you let it go, the better. Opens up so many better doors

[subtle bluff]

Shield off first imo.

[meager fog]

Theres also very few LMGs in the game that can directly counter their own suppression mechanic. BLuescreen is one of them

[lost wren]

i rarely go down so the hive literally does nothing for me, and the shield has just become less and less useful over time

decoy and emp sticky is my favorite set of skills to use for pvp, might as well use it for pve too

[meager fog]

I don't recommend it with OD as you get infinite HP ammo anyway naturally with the build. You're also losing out on a massive damage amp from Perf Sadist/Sadist.

[cerulean smelt]

probably, but it was a fun build for me to run it with bluescreen regardless

[meager fog]

Alot of people forget that even in groups you can keep HP ammo up infinitely as you don't even need to kill the enemy, just shoot them a few times.

[cerulean smelt]

i solo so it's all on me and like local said the CC it represents is nice to have

[lost wren]

also is this a good thing or a bad thing

[meager fog]

It's a good thing, enemies under suppression negate Dttooc. The ability to draw them out by simply hitting them is a good thing. Iron Lung also has the same effect

[lost wren]

true
suppression mechanic sucks to deal with for me fr

[meager fog]

Add to that that Nego hits marked enemies in cover anyway, you have no worries about supressopn

[hexed steppe]

non issue with nego bluescreen. as long as you critted the suppressed npc, you just focus another and kill them both 😎 . or focus on their skill

can also kill some immune things with the transfer

[meager fog]

Nego is going to be even more fun with the event starting soon.

+25% crit chance and cap and plus 50% CHD 😆

[hexed steppe]

yeah, melt even faster

[meager fog]

With almost guaranteed crits

85% crit chance is pretty nuts

[hexed steppe]

hopefully ill actually get time to play that

[lost wren]

uncapped???

[hexed steppe]

i missed the skill event

it overcaps for upcoming event ig

[hexed steppe]

i guess you better get on building that then 😎

[subtle bluff]

I love Lung Iron

[lost wren]

i don't
dealing with that shit in pvp is dreadful

[subtle bluff]

I rarely PvP. And I don't use it there.

[agile citrus]

Blue screen is such a good gun. Tho it's fire rate definitely helped it get respect

[onyx sage]

decoy and emp sticky my goat for lego too

[lost wren]

decoy and emp is so fun

shield feels like it's paper because you go all red, only time shield feels even remotely ok is when i use one of toastey's old striker memento builds with 4 blues

[onyx sage]

i can't even remember last time i used a shield

[meager fog]

Event starting on 28th iirc. Raises the chc cap by 25% and grants 25% chc

[lost wren]

here's the od build i plan to try and make with bluescreen, or just other weaps ig

[meager fog]

Bluescreen is fine for it, personally I use Carnage but its your choice

[lost wren]

carnage is probably better for it ye

bluescreen would be better for nego

well time to run a bunch of countdown for the setups lol

[cerulean smelt]

no the 28th is the next part of the halloween event. the weapon overdrive event is starting this friday until sunday

so basically we log in with x chd, 25% chc, 25% chc raised cap (85%) and i forget the rest of the weapon buffs we recieve in this event

[meager fog]

50% chd too

[cerulean smelt]

should've done this instead

i honestly only remember the chc and chc increased cap

[meager fog]

Not giving even more RoF is diabolical

[cerulean smelt]

right?! but having 85% chc is pretty evil so don't think we really need rof added

what's your build you running to reach that 85% chance?

[meager fog]

You reach it anyway, the event grants you +25%

All my dps builds sit at 60%

[cerulean smelt]

cough cough i'm feeling under the weather cough cough?

[dusky sky]

what is this , 500% seems op

[solar sable]

it's... okay for pvp I guess

for melee builds

[hazy steeple]

@dusky sky Think of it like this: there's usually 1 of you in a team, maybe 4 on average if you have a full team. You have now punched one enemy, all their friends just shot you in the face.

[hexed steppe]

ok on highend pistol hh builds if it rolls hsd and red cored

[hazy steeple]

An outcast flamer is going through your wallet.

[dusky sky]

the chance of getting this low of stat

[hazy steeple]

@dusky sky That's actually a bug.

Raising the difficulty in div2 increases the minimum roll that you can possibly get, but right now it's possible to get the Quickstep at that kinda low roll even on Heroic.

[subtle bluff]

It's the ones out of the caches

The ones that drop are fine

[meager fog]

@subtle bluff @hexed steppe all farmed and ready for later when I finish work.

Side note: Bluescreen Strikers is also pretty nuts

[subtle bluff]

It'll work on striker I just don't think as good vs others.

[meager fog]

The CC was very nice

[winged prism]

anyone know how to consistently get the same buff with centurions scabbard? maybe im stupid but the buff changes seemingly at random if i do anything but swap between the 2

i tried finding a common factor for it but i may actually be too dense to see it

[wanton lynx]

what's the best build for oxidizer? would it be eclipse protocol?

[patent fossil]

Nope, eclipse is a status set and oxidiser is just damage, no status
Pretty sure there's a guide in the pinned spreadsheet with the other builds

[subtle bluff]

I need to make the guide in there the better one is post in here

Here's a bump for it. I'll add the build hub later

[red island]

its not, sadly, melee is doing almost no damage in this game, but it can be useful to get some challenges in summit iirc

[dusk linden]

im wondering if god roll chameleon is better than police M4 on the HB build, i do get much more stacks due to the flatline on M4 but im trading that off for having 16 more bullets which is neat in FR doing like 10mil a spray

im waitring for st elmos engine to drop soo wanna use an exotic been using Police m4 for a long time but then went to KB and back to chameleon

[patent fossil]

Chameleon can't equip the weapon mod that lets you pulse enemies just by aiming at them, so you'll have to hit headshots, and chameleon has horrible accuracy at range.
Also the damage relies heavily on you keeping up the cham buffs, which takes time

[dusk linden]

but also with my build idk if its worth getting st elmos

[dusk linden]

yeah ive noticed when running it just idk if its worth the tradeoff

[patent fossil]

You'll get more damage from a flatline m4 than Elmos as well as the easier pulsing

[dusk linden]

yeah true just never had elmos few people keep pressing it on me too try getting it coz of my build and how im playing

i mean im more than happy with police M4 high fr good stats using 8x (recently put this on) destorying everything

[patent fossil]

Elmos has nice mods (crit, handling, mag size) and the talent is sometimes useful, but it's not a fundamentally better weapon - same base damage and rate of fire as a police m4, and no damage talent.

It's honestly more popular than it really deserves to be

[dusk linden]

ahh soo thats why yeah recently came back from whenever HB first came out soo things have changed xD
alr probably just stay M4 because of my playstyle, kinda disappointing i guess but good because a drop for elmos is insane

[patent fossil]

The only weapon that's a direct upgrade for you is Lexington, which is basically the same as a police m4 but has slightly higher damage. It's only available occasionally though - probably next at the end of the season during the stretch goals event

[dusk linden]

i didnt know about this, the weapon i know about was only in a seasoned pass thanks for letting me know about this. but idk if i deleted it or ever got it that would have sucked i was clearing my inv says its locked in crafting soo i suppose never got it

but i played when it was out and had max season pass then

anyways thanks my friend much appreciated ❤️

[winged prism]

ikr, even with claws out+lady death its just nothing

[rich lotus]

So how does the scabbard holster actually work because when I switch to secondary and back to primary I don’t have it active

[magic pilot]

Doesn't work with pistol

[rich lotus]

So I just have to switch to secondary, wait a few seconds and switch back?

[magic pilot]

Yea

[mild dawn]

you can swap to a pistol it just wont get the bonus, which allows you to just get both bonuses on one gun

[magic pilot]

No it doesn't....

[mild dawn]

unfortunately yes

[magic pilot]

Swapping to your pistol just swaps the buffs around

[mild dawn]

yeah the mag size remains

pistol wont get the next buff so when you swap back you get the rof

[patent fossil]

If you get the mag size bonus first then swap to pistol and back you get to keep that larger mag and get the other buffs just for that one mag (after reload you go back to regular size)

[magic pilot]

Ahhh gotcha

[patent fossil]

I used to use it on OD

[mild dawn]

funny juggling and eats all your ammo real fast if you reload your mag with the swap too

[magic pilot]

Suprised because they fixed that with eagles

[agile citrus]

I wish it was rare

that specific gun thinks its funny

on other notes... Im testing the potenial of stack building with vector sb 9mm. 60 ammo, +5% RoF I need to find it first, but yeh

[agile citrus]

it goes upto I think? like 2.8m, or 1.8, its been too long. but melee is a super unique stat that is only affected by itself and pure dmg amps, such as doot, GC, possibley scorpio or strega. never tested it, but the straga/scrorpio would have to be on someone else cus the melee would be using LD

so like, FP, GC, claws out, LD with dtooc and if you wanted overkill, supposedly the fire shield skill boosts it a bit too. I dont know overdogs works. no, its WD
bloodyknuckles is supposed to add 100%, but it needs annoying set up

[magic pilot]

Acs will always be much faster

[magic pilot]

Overdogs does work it's an amp, bloody knuckles also works and it's TWD

Melee is also buffed by headshot dmg by a very small amount

[agile citrus]

not a correction, but a request for clarifcation

this specificaly says "weapon damage" and on my melee testing, wd doesnt affect melee at all

this includes red cores. I learned all this cuz I was testing for a hunter build

[urban latch]

what does and doesnt apply to melee damage makes no sense and has no consistency

[agile citrus]

I used a full blue core striker set to test. blue core vs red, didnt reduce the melee dmg

various WD were tested in this, from memento, to striker, to red cores, to picaro. no WD, even specialist specifci weapon type amp, such as smg for LD didnt affect the melee dmg

I also tested hs. I am not sure why I was unable to inc the number, cuz I also believed this, but on a full regulus build, all hs, the dmg didnt budge. but I mwilling to retry that one, simply because I thought it did

in other news, Im not expecting it to outplay acs12, but I want to run some tests to see what a viable use for thi

[meager fog]

The math has already been done, tested extensively and coalited into a handy dandy spreadsheet that is handily dandily updated each time something new comes along.

[agile citrus]

and of course I press space, and immediately replace the rof instead of optimizinbg it. sigh

[agile citrus]

dc. this info is for people who spend waaaaaaaay too much time trying to do everything in div as fast as humanly possibe. boring af

its a game. have fun.

[meager fog]

No, that information is the optimal available (as well as alternatives) that are done using for the best available outcome.

Nothing to do with being fast.

[agile citrus]

Iv said it before and its as true now as it was then. you cant convince person that wears sunglasses all the time that sunglasses wont necessarily help them.

[magic pilot]

"Amplifies"

[agile citrus]

the reason is because statisticaly its a well known fact sunglasses will in fact help your eyes, speciallly long term. however.. most people who never wear sunglassess rearely if ever have long detreimental effect from this choice.

[magic pilot]

It's not WD lol

[agile citrus]

hm. will test. the reason why is because in this ss, wd is capitalized, which hints its refering to a stat, not a wording

of course melee is a crap shoot, so Im not right. just curious enough to test

[magic pilot]

Amplifies is capitalized

[meager fog]

Off topic.

This is the build advice channel, the advice given here is for the best available. Unless you're ASKING for the best advice, or giving it, expect what you say to be scrutinized here.

[magic pilot]

Hints to Amplified Weapon Damage

[agile citrus]

anyway if it does in fact work, this is super big for melee dmg, as its a new addition. and works with all the other buffs

[magic pilot]

Anything that says amplifies is it's own multiplier

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zmMtU8JWUXNIObhxst__CYguFgfZ1288mPodyqs2LTE/mobilebasic

This is also super helpful

[agile citrus]

pretty straight forward. gonna go punch stuff

luckily overdogs with be easy, as its specificaly is enemy type based

[magic pilot]

Firewall shield adds a ton of dmg, it's a unique amp source

[stark flicker]

Striker shield has always been weird to me it has its own unique mod even though you have to run a specific spec to get the bonus

[agile citrus]

so. whats the max melee now.

[stark flicker]

Wanna say like 1500%

[agile citrus]

I hit 1.7m which used to be pretty consistent. and only 500k to the armored gunner. so yup

[stark flicker]

So like maybe ~2+ mil per

[magic pilot]

Depends, you can probably get it pretty high if you run glass

[agile citrus]

Ill pop the set together.... lets see, so GC, flame shield, claws out, overdogs, and FP

[magic pilot]

You should make note of what buffs melee dmg, I might make a doc for it eventually

[magic pilot]

FP?

[agile citrus]

foxs prayer

[stark flicker]

Don't forget ld

The muzzle gives 500%

[magic pilot]

Ah

[agile citrus]

an Ill make everything hs too

[magic pilot]

Dtooc applies?

[agile citrus]

I got it up to 3m

vs a gunner trueson

I forgot the shield. but yeh

[magic pilot]

TWD doesn't apply right

[agile citrus]

also, weirdly, so "purple" enemies, count as higher than red, even if its a rusher purple vs a red gunner

I tried to kill a purple rusher tusk first. it did 700k

[magic pilot]

It's possible there was something on a tier under near you and you didn't see

It's really hard to say since there's no icon

[agile citrus]

I was next to them, cuz I was meleeing. also theres nothing lower than a rusher. and, I then spun and attacked the red rifle, immediately doing 3m with pruple gal behind me

but! I think rifle and rusher are same enemy value, which means only the color or vet enemy type decided it

[magic pilot]

I thought machine gunners were tier 1

[agile citrus]

overdogs attacks lowest, shroud attacks highest

[magic pilot]

Ik

[agile citrus]

my b, you thought I ment "gunner" I ment. um, one sec..

it doesnt say but I THINK its called riflemen

[magic pilot]

I'm not great with telling what they are called either lmao

[agile citrus]

the icon is a wide arow pointing up, only 1 rank

[magic pilot]

Also overdogs is just worded so weirdly

[magic pilot]

Yea that's a tier 3 enemy

[agile citrus]

so I guess with OD, we have to respect color vet, normal and elite as well, when same tier. thats too much micromanaging for me. Ill stick with others like catharsis or memento

I think my vector rof should have vindictive, due its party buff. but I need ot make sure it applies to yuo after weapon swap like finisher. Id love if I could use this and then use the mariokart pistol instead of a finisher pistol

[urban latch]

if your running vindictive then just run the perfect version

[patent fossil]

But it might have been another buff in effect, going from 700k to 3m is not a 30% amp.
Personally I suspect veterancy makes no difference

[agile citrus]

rip. vin needs a status ailment

long story short, if it doesnt say swap, or is heavily gimped by a status ailment requiment, no it doesnt carry over

I might use unwavering and invest in optimal range

[agile citrus]

Ill try to recreate it. the situation was true son vs black tusk, I ran in dropped decoy. the first enemy I ran into was a prurple rusher, no armor. It did 700k dmg. I knew that was silly, so I turned to find another victim, a red true son turned and I hit him, doing 3m

[agile citrus]

this build has no stack machanics outside of enemy type

[pure hamlet]

loving this new event. just soloed dua legendary fairly easily (not a huge accomplishment I know)

[patent fossil]

Did you maybe melee the first one with your pistol or shotgun?

[agile citrus]

this is possible which is why Im recreating.

[urban latch]

melee damage depends on the type of enemy you hit

[agile citrus]

I have it. no it is is enemy type

vet vs
veteran true son took 1m dmg, I turned to red true son riflemen he took 2.5m I need to test if this was armor, cuz the rusher dmg is blue

Ill will try to find another scenerario, but in this, true son shotgun rusher took 1m, the true son red rifler took 2.5m

[urban latch]

melee damage is stupid, thats all you need to know

just shoot things instead

[agile citrus]

so. I tested again in a heyna zone. I managed find an elite rusher, caved his armor, then I found a red rusher, same group... 700k, its the "rusher" rank

WUT

[meager fog]

@hexed steppe @subtle bluff I don't tell you guys that I love you often enough

It's so much fun 🤣

[patent fossil]

Nego has been a top dps option for a long time, even before the striker buff

[onyx sage]

^

chow i need ur help posting the nego tidal run

[subtle bluff]

Using harder difficulty is pretty satisfying.

[subtle bluff]

Oh?

Looking.

https://youtu.be/P7I1Avo3fXI?si=LJ6ATYj0eSEbw3iv
Nego Solo leggo Tidal

[meager fog]

Oh yheah I've known it's good. Just haven't be bothered to seriously try it. I have a weird fetish for fully maxing out one thing before I move on lol

[bright raptor]

Negotiator's is really fun for the "hold the control point" waves in Retaliation, I should try the Bluescreen sometime instead of this Frenzy KAC LMG

[onyx sage]

it's the OG set before HB came out or even striker got buffed

[hexed steppe]

Told ya ❤️

[onyx sage]

nego has some tech you can use too, you can spread to marked enemies via dead enemies' weakpoints and armor plates

[subtle bluff]

Hey WE told him.

[meager fog]

Neat trick I learned from watching that video. Fun things are always fun

[onyx sage]

yeah, i mained it for a loooong time, that tech is super strong for letting you deal damage while safe

[meager fog]

Guessing RUperts Tear is a no no for that then? lol

[onyx sage]

yeah you don't want rupert's tear with it

[magic pilot]

You were the one that put me on to it, Mr. Binoculars

[onyx sage]

i wanna see if i post enough nego videos in lego that people will use it more

[magic pilot]

Probably

We all know you are using Nego to showcase your cheats

[meager fog]

He is a well known cheater, this is the problem I have following his advice

[onyx sage]

indeed

[lament reef]

just an average player with an average gaming chair

[gentle lichen]

Office chair*

[onyx sage]

lisan al gaib

#td2-general-chat message

[meager fog]

Using ruperts tear here for the giggles...but this just seems unfair....

Also, fun note: Ruperts Tear+Overdogs and ND is nuts. Shooting another enemy and blowing all the armour off a chunga is wrong on so many levels lol

[hexed steppe]

Someone's never looking back

[meager fog]

I miss Strikers, honestly. But ND is addictive ngl

[onyx sage]

i actually got faster clears with ND than striker now, and that's without using overdogs or any recent busted stuff. i think i'll keep running more content with ND to showcase

[meager fog]

Yeah the clears are faster for sure. I need to max it out though

[onyx sage]

it was overlooked back then because when shield peek was removed, ND couldn't run focus anymore so people just used striker instead because you could use striker chest

and now people realized they're actually good enough to run glass cannon

[meager fog]

For me....Strikers takes actually MORE brain power because it's single target so target priority and positioning becomes more important.

I know some disagree but ND seems more Smooth brained.

Just spray and watch them die.

[onyx sage]

i'd say ND requires a different kind of priority, because you actually want some enemies to die as marked rather than directly shot

dogs for example die a lot faster from spread damage than direct damage

[meager fog]

Perhaps, but also Overdogs have removed alot of the worry, just mark the higher elites and kill the weaklings for massive damage

[onyx sage]

it's not an apples to apples comparison is my point

[subtle bluff]

I've had this thought being able to clear and carry easier with it.

[onyx sage]

it's not that simple tbh

[subtle bluff]

When I started using the combo.

[onyx sage]

overdogs or not, it's because spread damage has interesting properties

[subtle bluff]

In leggo I find the gameplay different in a fun and challenging way.

[meager fog]

So, i'mn right in thinknig that Overdogs hitting the lowest Heirachy also boosts the spread damage?

Diddn't get alot of time to actuallyt watch it back yet

[onyx sage]

yeah it does

but it doesn't fundamentally change how you play ND

[lament reef]

ND is the only major build i haven’t tried yet

might be good to run while i get non terrible lengmo pieces

[onyx sage]

it's fun to try out, you can play it casually by just spraying then focusing, or you can minmax by using tech or making certain enemies die faster from the spread damage

one thing is sure though, you are actually safer by playing ND because you can deal spread damage in safer positions

striker is more traditional since you have to be good at pie slicing, it's easier with ND

[meager fog]

Yeah definitely, ND feels easier to play imo.

[patent fossil]

I'd say it's slightly in harder in that you have to make a point of tagging multiple enemies to get the best out of it, you can't just point and shoot unless enemies are all handily grouped up

[onyx sage]

it's slightly higher skill floor, but once you meet that skill floor it's easier to stay alive

can be considered anecdotal but tidal basin lego boss is a lot easier with nego than striker for me

[subtle bluff]

It's a lot more target priority mixed

[hexed steppe]

I was running some legs last night and had a question. I know with regular dta nego can double calc if target and mark are armored.. do you think/know if sledgehammer can have a similar interaction if mark and target are both agfected by the proc? Ik it isn't true dta so not sure if its even possible.

[onyx sage]

sledge isn't dta, so i doubt it

sledge is a conditional debuff amp

[hexed steppe]

More of a question about the transfer being further amped if mark is also sledged.. but yeah, understood its not dta

[magic pilot]

@onyx sage Nego shotgun HH when?

[onyx sage]

i know, it's been tested before with say scorpio debuff for example and we see it doesn't apply twice, so i doubt sledge does either

and scorpio works the same way as sledge except the condition so we have precedent

[hexed steppe]

That's too bad.

[subtle bluff]

BLB AC12 nego

[magic pilot]

It does not apply twice can confirm

[subtle bluff]

I’ve always knew this was thing but never thought to say something about it.

[winged prism]

man thats some dedication

ubisoft add an actual melee combat system and give us wrights axe pretty please

[lost wren]

made the od and nego builds but now i'm farming ceska chest with glass cannon

no luck so far

[subtle bluff]

The unicorn Ceska with double Crit is the hope. I have one.

[lost wren]

i have grupo with glass cannon, no ceska though

[subtle bluff]

Trust others have already done that… Not saying him but their others that won’t ask if something hasn’t been test especially since this game as been around for a long time.

[agile citrus]

btw after signicant gameplay this build is extreme synergy

[winged prism]

could u drop a sc of it? might try it before work tmrw

[meager fog]

Don't get too excited, they are literally just copying youtbe at this point.

[agile citrus]

the speed pistol worksing into 9mm unwavering, 9mm wavering maxs striker chest in like 3-4 kills, and then strega swhite washs the who spawn door on heroic

[subtle bluff]

Are we gonna start this again?

[agile citrus]

I dont use anyguides or anything. Dont assume. 90% of the upper playerbase knows I refuse to listen to other and only first person test. stop making trouble

[subtle bluff]

But now you’re doing it in a worse way? The ACS12 way was better..

[meager fog]

This guy is insistant on being the "first to things that everyone else has already tried" it's tiresome and boring. He can be ignored.

[subtle bluff]

Trust I know… Solo players are thing.

[agile citrus]

and yet you yammer 24/7 about meta and act like being the most effiecnet is the only good way to play. people literaly ignore you

[meager fog]

We already know all of this, but 90% of the upper playerbase don't know you. Seriously, stop with this well known schtick...it's boring

[agile citrus]

LOL

[cerulean smelt]

i'im sure they do, it's probably more you ignore him and everyone else

games been out for 6 years and you believe everything hasn't been tried?

[meager fog]

He's not even worth talking to at this point 90% of the time.

He's even in the wrong channel for his theories.

[agile citrus]

Im not getting drawn into this drama ever again. just understand there is a reason only 1% of the playerbase speedruns and thats being generous. and its not because the info, builds and strats are gatekept. going back to lurking. I regret being social again... to... literaly the same 20 people

[meager fog]

Maybe you should try going into the correct channels?

This is the build advice channel. This is where the best advice is given.

If you aren't looking for that you need to be somewhere else.

Everything you say in here can and will be scrutinized.

[subtle bluff]

Ok stop there. Getting off topic.

[meager fog]

Again, wrong channel. Take it somewhere else.

[subtle bluff]

Both of you for now.

Set we share and teach Meta stuff for new players or players that want to do better.

[meager fog]

Also that's a common setting, that exists for all discord servers and almost everyone worldwide has turned off lmao

[subtle bluff]

You’re sharing for yourself a solo build/idea that works for you and want input on it or other stuff.
This again it’s build advice channel.

[agile citrus]

my bad, wrong ss

[cerulean smelt]

btw: this build means jack this weekend in case you didn't know this is a thing going on in game. so try i suggest try this build again on monday and you'll probably won't get the same result, considering if you do hit the 60% chc with this build anyways or even hit the minimum of 60% due to this event

uh, did they mess up the percentages of redline event? i shouldn't be at 96% should i?

[onyx sage]

guess

[cerulean smelt]

guess i shouldn't complain and just enjoy it?

[onyx sage]

nah it's just a display error, real cap is still 85%

[agile citrus]

Look. I'm extremely judgmental. I know this. but I do this because I look at all sides of an interaction. this statement Iv seen "dorkly" say I think 3 times. No, "being scrutinized" is not something "normal" people do. It what a person does in a competitive environment.

As for lostsouls comment about the "week" no this build will work just fine next week, cuz its synergy with its pieces are ability based not "crit" also, I built this last week. last week was when I consistently hit 1.6m crits.

Lastly, and this is about the whole meta jargon. there is a reason 90% of the responces on these public servers are the same exact people. Its because your the only ones who have fun finishing a mission in 5 min. You could say I know nothing, but this fact remains. same people, same advice, same "accepted" build types

[subtle bluff]

Stop. This is not the channel for this.

[meager fog]

There is no distinction, the max is 85%, althouigh the UI doesn't stop.

[urban latch]

If you have a question on something, feel free to ask away. But if you want to come into a "build advice" channel and start making claims or giving advice, you should expect people to push back if your saying incorrect things. Thats all, its fairly simple

[meager fog]

You would think, but this is days in a row where this person has been allowed to roam free and take multiple channels off topic.

They also have an odd way of speaking...reminds me of a redditor.

[agile citrus]

I havent made claims or given advice. Iv spoken of my builds and how they work. I also havent claimed its the best, or even other should use it.

[subtle bluff]

Asking you both again just stop walk away.

[agile citrus]

I have however, asked how to make something work, or for better build option.

[cerulean smelt]

dorky isn't just that way with you
i've posted pictures of builds and have gotten advice from dorky on how it can be better
so it's not just you
there are things i know can be better but sometimes i just come to a build that's my playstyle and makes the game funish after many i've tried even the meta builds

[meager fog]

I will try to accomadate your playstyle to a build, but it isn't always possible.

Sometimes the answer is literally just "Something else"

[agile citrus]

Anyway, this is the finished build, and I enjoy how it works. its not super effiecent, but its fun to play. I want to thank @subtle bluff and @magic pilot for helping its finer points.

oops wrong attachment.

[cerulean smelt]

oh i know, just setting set straight that it's not just them you do that with

[fiery gust]

In all fairness, I'd look at this and say it's very unoptimal. You're running Fox's and Memento on an already crit starved build. If you're not going the crit route, then there's also better options as well.

For Heroic, you can literally make most anything work.

Is it a downright awful build? Probably not. Is it ideal? Also no. Does it work? Most likely, but the aforementioned statement still applies.

[agile citrus]

I make a lot of unoptimal builds. I try to focus on builds that dont one trick cuz most people I interact with perfer multiple options. but swapping sets or inventory, people often cant be bothered with. So I build these solo ones, for memes and fun

[meager fog]

It needs to be said like this:

Is it viable for <Heroic: Yes.....as is almost everything else.

Is it viable for REAL gameplay: If it isn't in the spreadsheet, the answer is normally no.

[fiery gust]

Everyone is definitely entitled to play how and what they want. No doubt about that. There's some silly builds to be done that work great for solo and Heroic, and some party play. They just don't scale well any further. All depends on what you're after.

This channel, though, people will critique your builds just because a lot of newer players come here looking for advice/info. So if they look/read through the channel, they hopefully don't take everything out of context if there's people commenting on improvements, weak spots in the build, etc.

[agile citrus]

mhm. mr.chow and averagereflex were really helpful! Im glad I got feedback from them

[meager fog]

Because that's they're/our job in here

[subtle bluff]

I mean.... meta math wise, Intimate and Memento is the way to run.

[meager fog]

I like the idea of an Intimate talent 😊

[fiery gust]

Is it like Companion, or does it scale based on time played with X player?

[agile citrus]

just for 1 point, because this made it easier for me. I believe, for me and liekly others the best way to offer help for a build, is to offer potential "benefits" that could change to. I think the big thing here is commenting on whats not good, is usually taken badly. and is rarely helpful. this includes just saying, no that just sucks, never use that, not optimal etc. lots of thing in div arent super great, but are fun

[meager fog]

I think it's like Overdogs, but you deal less damage the more time you spend with one player.

[meager fog]

Again, we improve what is not good. But we discourage that which is bad in here.

You seem to be misunderstanding thew point of this channel.

It's here to get the best advice on how to make the game easier for yourself.

It isn't here for you to try out your YouTube builds and comment on their effectiveness

[dreamy valve]

don’t get too worked up on optimization and maximizing efficiency, you’re not designing a German car, you’re just playing a looter shooter videogame. But I think if critiques are unwanted for your build, this is the wrong place for that, and you can post it in general, less chance of that happening at least.

[hearty owl]

So true king I hate people that speedrun missions like get a job 🤣

[amber crater]

where can we farm that? 🤣

[onyx sage]

you have to go to the Outside raid and find a short tiny plant on the ground and touch it. few gamers have actually done it

[cerulean smelt]

well, general can't post pictures, so they'd have to use that mxswat internet app to put their build in and post there, was going to say t2d community would be better for what they're doing in general, but they fail to read multiple people telling them what this channel is about so doubt they'd move away and continue their drama with multiple people as they have been doing

[agile citrus]

this is hilariously on point, I dont sapeedrun but couldnt if I wanted too lol

[dreamy valve]

Oh oops too used to the other server. Their general is a bit lax with less posting restrictions

[cerulean smelt]

just don't come to this server and ask "how to get shd level fast?" pretty sure most people who speedrun is just to get more shd levels

[tired falcon]

it sometimes feels like that to some people this game is their job. Hence the obsession with 100% max optimal builds as being good and anything remotely not like it is bad...they forget it's a game. Even if a newb reads something here about a build that is not "meta", and then tries to use it in say legendary....well if there's one thing this game does well it is giving immediate feedback; lol

You'll know in less than 10 seconds if the build is good or not. In the big picture, that's not a big deal.

[hearty owl]

Preach!!!

[cerulean smelt]

for legendary content would you rather have a proven build that allows you to run it and not have as much issues or
would you rather go for a build that takes you all night to complete with many deaths and starting from beginning?

[hearty owl]

As long as I’m dying with my friends it doesn’t matter ❤️

[agile citrus]

just from chatting with players, lots of player dont even do lego. also since its soloable, in a 4 man, theres a lot of options

tbh the most fun Iv had all year, when I wasnt with my best friend of course, was I went into an incursion... and they didnt use a single meta strat. it was awesome. I got to fight fatty and skinny mano mano, with a tank and heals, I got to decoy and emp the turrents it was fun and hilarious

[tired falcon]

that's purely a subjective question. I suspect that for majority of players the length of time they've been playing this game has a big influence.
I've been playing this game since it first released and can say since 2 years ago stopped caring altogether about meta, proven builds. speed runs, etc.
I only play for fun at this point.
Other players have zero tolerance for any wipes in legendary.
My tolerance varies on the mission and any given day.

For example I love the golden bullet global event, and when I'm doing legendaries with it, I don't care about wiping a few times. Not a big deal to me.

Outside of that, the only legendaries where I have less tolerance for multiple wipes would be Tidal Basin and Manning Zoo.

So in summary, generally 90% of the time I don't care

[gentle lichen]

i'm gonna confess
i use my pvp builds in pve 🥹

[cerulean smelt]

that's me as well. played this since their first public beta then bought the game and played it ever since not understanding a thing even though played div 1. builds was still alien to me, then finally understood one build then gears 1.0 released which destroyed that build. then for the sake of doing the raids i farmed up the meta builds and did the raids until i got their exotic then moved on from doing them again unless i'm feeling a bit helpful i'll run it with someone who hasn't gotten the exotic from it, but that feeling is rare
ran the dua, capitol and roosevelt solo legendaries once at least for their dye and if they drop trophies or patches and never again, when we got the tidal basin and zoo thought i ran both solo as well, but had @onyx sage carry me in zoo

[agile citrus]

I run with all kinds. I will leave, if the run literally doesnt progress realistally, but I never kick or blame others, I leave, if they can make it work without me, more power to them. shd and times and loot, I just do it for fun. this is one of my favorite builds of all time. when I run cd, this can carry anyone... mostly

[onyx sage]

i personally say that i enjoy wiping cuz i learn from each death a lot, experimenting is what i love doing in the game not just for builds but for routing and positioning too

[tired falcon]

at this point the most fun I have in this game is intentionally running crazy non-meta builds in the toughest activities; that and mentioning ninjabike backpack in build conversations just to trigger people. Think of me as a hidden hunter in this game with unique skill automatic rage inducing sticky bomb 😛

[cerulean smelt]

then you deal with idiots like me (> <)

[onyx sage]

cuz if i don't experiment i can't even say with a straight face that i know this or that content a lot or not

[hearty owl]

We know you enjoy wiping buddy but this is not the place to discuss that

[agile citrus]

LOL ninjabike has uses lol, just not a lot of meta uses XD but is a FUN option for those who luv being a leatherman

[agile citrus]

this is why I only learn games first hand, leanring it yourself instead of guides ect, you can offer way better info, and while its not spreadsheet accurate, it can offer realtime experiences and also how the player will see and experience it

[meager fog]

nope.

[agile citrus]

numbers are nice, but at the end of the day, most people will say "it feels so strong"

[broken hazel]

Can anyone please tell me what the latest Strikers + Backfire build for the incursion is? There are a couple different ones on YouTube. I have completed the incursion many times and use an all red Strikers + Oro or St. Elmo build (without a healer or going down) but have been getting kicked lately (matchmaking) for not having the “Backfire build”.

[onyx sage]

it's more like i experiment to find out safe strats and fast strats, same for builds. at the end of the day it's only productive to be finding those out

[cerulean smelt]

then you're queuing with the wrong players if you ask me
never heard of striker backfire being meta for incursion honestly

[agile citrus]

lmao, this build taught me soooooo much about los, cus its so squishy. but super fun!

[onyx sage]

if you're talking optimally then the all red one (the one you run) is the best one, if you're getting kicked then unless you were mean to them generally it's less about your build and more about them being douches

[gentle lichen]

pretty busted actually

[hearty owl]

Just put a backfire on your current striker build boom

[cerulean smelt]

if it comes down to it look up GCRock discord and join a group running it there

[agile citrus]

and yes its absolutley playing with the white hunter outfit and white minigun tusk

[tired falcon]

there's no real latest for that. The main thing is with Backfire & striker you don't actually need to have hazard protection due to how the Backfire stacks work in combination with getting kills fast via the striker buffs. So you can run just about any Backfire + striker variation and it'll work.

Having said that, the new Overdogs gloves with either Turmoil kneepads or Fox's prayer kneepads and rest striker makes the incursion enemies a joke. You'll shred them in seconds

[onyx sage]

backfire itself can be used but unless you're speedrunning it really shouldn't matter and even then it only matters in 1 fight. so if you're getting kicked in lfg it doesn't matter really. they just wanted a reason to kick you

[agile citrus]

this is actually super accurate. the hazpro is nice, but tbh, not really needed, spcialy with sheild and gunner. just imo

[agile citrus]

the game is easier than ever now. its a great game for play your own way.

[broken hazel]

I appreciate the answers. Thank you all.

[agile citrus]

lmao, this is often funny to see, I never hate them. when I played swtor there were people in endgame with the worst stuff on, and you asked them, howed you get to 80? "starfighter mode" I just loled. in fairness to them, they never went into mm, nim, raids etc. just sotry farming

[cerulean smelt]

starfighter afk mode most likely as it was a possiblity

[agile citrus]

there were genuinely people who loved it. I never liked starfox 64, but hey, I didnt play cod or ea's sports games. its prob me tbh

[cerulean smelt]

i used to a macro in that game to run while i'm at work and come home turn it off and hey i gained a crap ton of levels 😹

[tired falcon]

Tip of the Spear was a fun gearset before they ruined it. I ran it with a sniper determined headshot build way back. Was a lot of fun.
These days the only time I dust it off out of my stash is when that global event is on, the one where hitting enemies with emp or special weapon creates explosion.
For that event I run a btsu gloves full skill build, with the perfect shock & awe backpack, Tip of the Spear, and mortar turret.
You get the grenade launcher ammo full so fast it's hilarious, nonstop booms on the enemies. Works great in Tidal Basin legendary

[hearty owl]

Tips rework was so unnecessary

[subtle bluff]

That's is so dumb to get for that. In my bio we have SHD at 150 with a PP19 a non chest with Elmo and to show just doing good DPS and knowing what to do is important.

I wish I could help you but we're on different platforms.

[tired falcon]

yeah, that nerf turned it from Tip of the Spear to Tip of Despair; lol

[agile citrus]

is the nontactical better in any way shape or form outside of less ammo? (the nontactical has fire rate, the tactical doesnt, with +5% they both have the same rof)

Im trying to understood the devs reasoning for this.

ooooo the reload is faster, without unwav

so no, not what Im using for

[subtle bluff]

To note. Modifiers and the current event.

[subtle bluff]

It shouldn't be if active.

[agile citrus]

your right. wuts the point of this? why is one just a straight nerf? is it for miltitary rp?

[subtle bluff]

Idk what you're going on about Tbh. I just saw some things that need to be corrected.

[agile citrus]

^ why is the tactical vector the same weapon in every way shape and form. except the non tactical cannot have the same ammo

[subtle bluff]

Your asking about the 3 different vector with different stats and looks?

[silent storm]

So this is what I tried for my Mad Bomber build. It's fun but extremely weak. Kind of disappointed.

[subtle bluff]

Most of us could of told you that one

[agile citrus]

No. I asking, why does the tactical vector have the same rof, dmg, stats, all, but the normal one has significantly less ammo store after +15 mod

[agile citrus]

Im missing something, which is why Im asking for numbers advice. dev didnt really just put 2 weapons in the game and just straight mke one a nerf

[silent storm]

I feel like there needs to be a way to get more DMG out of grenades

[subtle bluff]

Look at the gearsheet or normalize your stats and base WD in game.

[agile citrus]

why does it say vector has more ammo? my vector has 42 max after +15, but the tactical has 60 after +15

[subtle bluff]

Repeating myself makes not want to be here.

[agile citrus]

this doesn't explain why its different. all it does is say, look at the event at some place.

its the exact same energy as "google it"

[silent storm]

Redline Event 25% Mag size and +25% reload speed

[agile citrus]

this does not explain my question.

[subtle bluff]

Wow....

[solar sable]

Yes it does.

[agile citrus]

normal vector. vs tactical vector

WHY are the weapons the same stats EXCEPT MAG SIZE the event does not change why the mag size is the only difference. am I speaking spanish?

[subtle bluff]

Stop...

[solar sable]

As a Spanish speaking person, this is not Spanish.

[silent storm]

Tac Vector always had smaller mag

[subtle bluff]

Someone link the event to here.

[agile citrus]

TACTICAL VECTOR IS THE 60

[solar sable]

The Event gives PLUS TWENTY FIVE PERCENT MAG SIZE.

[solar sable]

thank you. God.

[subtle bluff]

You're serious not listen to us.

[silent storm]

IDK I crushed all my Vectors because Dark Winter is the only one you need

[agile citrus]

..... ok. lets take it from the top. I will reword to make sure, both the event is taken into my question PLUS my question.

Tactical vector has the same exact stats. except, it has 60 ammo, when given +15 mod.

Vector, has the exact same stats, except, it has 43 ammo, when given +15 mod

My question, is why does Tactical vector have the exact same stats but more ammo than vector. both are adjusted for the event. the event wont change this question next week

maybe Im just stupid

[silent storm]

And Dark Winter currently has 56 round mag so I think the next few days will be seeing a lot of use

[agile citrus]

same exact mods. 2 different ammo counts. same event boosting ammo +25% why is the tactical vector all around better. what is the tradeoff (the normal vector has +5% fire rat, ignore that pls)

[silent storm]

Ain't she a beaut

[kindred mango]

The different Vector types have different base mag sizes is all

Also you’re missing the 20rnd blueprint if you just have the 15

[silent storm]

The tradeoff is it isn't a Dark Winter. Get that and just crush all the other vectors

[agile citrus]

thank you, that I understand. is there any benefit to using normal vector? over tactical

[kindred mango]

Tactical Vector puts the most dps out but the 45 ACP is decent too

[solar sable]

tac vector has 100 more rpm so it's just that (dps )

[agile citrus]

ok so its just a straight nerf. they just wanted to add the gun, with a difference

[kindred mango]

I do like the Dark Winter as well. Pretty solid

[silent storm]

yeah and with this event it will be monsterous

[kindred mango]

Yes slight differences on the stats for diff variants

[agile citrus]

the normal has +5% fire rate, when this is given to tactical, its the same, 1656

[solar sable]

then it comes to personal preference if you see it that way

[agile citrus]

this is super confusing because it doesn't line up. even if you removed the event, and just minused +25% ammo. this wont make the vector 9mm have more amm than vector tactial 9 mm.

[silent storm]

LOL Chatterbox with 75 rounds

[subtle bluff]

That is not correct on paper.

[subtle bluff]

You cannot remove the event....

[agile citrus]

next week, 7 days from now

[subtle bluff]

Wtf...

I have shown you the base stats already.

[silent storm]

So how are they calculating the 50% mag on Incessant Chatter is it base or is it event modiflied?

[magic pilot]

base

[agile citrus]

am I just stupid? vector, +25% ammo, +15 rounds, 42 mag. Tactical, +25% ammo, +15 rounds, 60 mag

[subtle bluff]

You're really gonna make me repeat myself?

[silent storm]

you understand how % works right?

[kindred mango]

Again they all have different base mag sizes

[agile citrus]

Im prob just dumb. next week 42 mag is going to become 53, and 60 is going to become 39

[subtle bluff]

No.....

[kindred mango]

Starting mag size is from the base gun itself not the mag attachments in other words

[subtle bluff]

Stop typing and read.

• Event Modifiers
• Global Modifiers
• Weapons Mods
• Build
  What can change anything.

[silent storm]

So what other SMG is going to be crazy with 85% CHC and mag size?

[agile citrus]

Ill learn math one day I guess

[agile citrus]

I have no modifiers. I have only the event. its the exact same build

[subtle bluff]

You are being 100% dumb...
Why are repeating posts the same posts.

[silent storm]

Seems they are adding the 25% after the mag mod

[subtle bluff]

Idk why were even going ok about this.

[magic pilot]

wow look at that different base dmg

[silent storm]

Your Tac vec has 13 more expertise

[agile citrus]

explain like Im 5. pls. in your spreadsheet, tac 9mm has 39 mag size. lets add +15 rounds. then add +25% for event.

vector 9mm has 53 rounds, add +15 mod, then add +25% for event.

how does this math become 60 mag for tact 9mm and 43 mag for vector 9mm

[kindred mango]

Forget the mod. Remove from each gun and compare again

[obtuse crystal]

probably just another intended feature (bug)

[magic pilot]

doesnt affect the white dmg numbers

[agile citrus]

ok

[magic pilot]

top ones base mag is 19, bottom is 33

[agile citrus]

I just need someone to explain why Im the dumb one. Im not trying to prove something, Im trying to learn what Im blind to

OMGOGKWLDJKLSFJHKLG

[kindred mango]

The lil gun with the smallest mag size does the most damage

[agile citrus]

THANK YOU

its because the "tactical" is for some dumb prob cuz I know nothing about guns, is the tiny one. thanks, -_- Im so sorry, I couldn't figure out why I was being dumb

[magic pilot]

the sheet chow sent has the modded mag size

[solar sable]

lol

[kindred mango]

And you need to farm the 20 round attachment btw 😎

[silent storm]

19x1.25 is 23.75 so 24. 33x1.25 is 41.25 so 41

Unless they rounded down which they probably did

[agile citrus]

it lowers reload BUT this is actually an EXCELLENT point, cuz I use unwavering, tysm!

[meager fog]

There are legitimately answers to all of the questions you asked IN THE GAME. The answers are even in the screenshots you supplied.

[kindred mango]

If you don’t have a Dark Winter yet might get one from the mini warhounds

[agile citrus]

@subtle bluff Im sorry for being an idiot, I wasn't challenging you, I was trying to understand how I was being dumb. cuz I know your sheets are always accurate

[kindred mango]

Easy DZ item farm

[agile citrus]

I have one. Im using this for the rof. using 2 +50% Optimal range with unwavering, it builds striker stacks from across the map with decent dps. and the swap meshs with the mariokart pistol

[meager fog]

It does'nt though

[silent storm]

What is the point of preloading Striker? Seems a waste of ammo

[agile citrus]

it gives me an alternate weapon type. also, a lot of weapons dont build good striker stacks in different diffculty. but just personal prefrence

[meager fog]

There isn't any.

Striker maintains stacks well by literally just being in combat.

[magic pilot]

cool factor

[silent storm]

exactly and engaging outside of optimal is just not a good play

[meager fog]

You preload Tipping Scales, by virtue of it being able to stack without hits.

[silent storm]

TS is different though

[meager fog]

You don't preload strikers

[agile citrus]

I can shoot from across the map with optimal dmg. it has 2 +50% optimal range

[silent storm]

on an SMG?

[meager fog]

THis guy has alot of horrible ideas, don't worry about it

[agile citrus]

it might not work in tidal, or capital but its just fine for big room missions like washington hotel ect. this is on testing btw, not second hand guides

[silent storm]

Just get a Slingshot then

[agile citrus]

these new mod upgrades from ubi are crazy for smg

[silent storm]

50% of 15 is 7

That isn't crazy

[agile citrus]

its an opinion shhhh

[silent storm]

And isn't there a stacking penalty as well so you don't even get the full 30 meters?

[cerulean smelt]

not sure how an smg is getting stacks at a long range when the bullet spray is ridiculous

[silent storm]

I don't know I never used optimal range mods because I just fight in optimal

[agile citrus]

35 range is mostly fine for most of the game

[magic pilot]

so the crit chance being 100% apparently is not just a visual bug

[cerulean smelt]

oh?

[agile citrus]

no I got some non crits

some.

[magic pilot]

ive gotten word from a trusted source, the displayed number is wrong. but you can def hit 100%

[cerulean smelt]

averagereflexz is just saying a bug in the event not based on your build......

[onyx sage]

stop gaslighting boss, give me the sauce

[silent storm]

I mean 85% is crazy itslef

[agile citrus]

neat

[cerulean smelt]

so kind of like they recycled last seasons modifier?

[silent storm]

That's what Massive does

[agile citrus]

wasnt last season capped at 70% I dont know tbh, but it wasnt a ton

[cerulean smelt]

normal cap is 60% last season a modifier allowed us to get 100% if you built for it

[agile citrus]

anyway Im too tired. the confusion move was super effective with the tact/vec. thanks for all the help

[agile citrus]

I dont know what this was, only that the red enemies buffed you past 60%. if there was a mechanic in the modifiers, I was blissfully unaware

[silent storm]

Crazy numbers lol

Do I drop the Overdogs and go Coytote?

[leaden patio]

any recommendations for fun builds that get you through mostly everything pve that aren't striker-coyote/memento. Best with some survivability so you can sometimes turn your head off

[solar sable]

Hunter's Fury

[silent storm]

I solo Heroic Retaliations with my TS build

[fiery gust]

All high end, Heartbreaker, Tipping Scales, Hunter's Fury, etc. Have to be more specific on what you're doing.

[agile citrus]

unwavering grants 300% weapon handling on weapon swap. it lasts 10 secs, then refreshs if you get a kill. if you weapon swap you get a global cd for the ability of like 5-10 secs. so no double dipping

[leaden patio]

just something that can get me through solo pve content like retaliations/open world

[cerulean smelt]

you were right with the killing a read increased it a tad but the 2nd picture with the active you'd be capable of reaching that 100%

[silent storm]

Nice

[magic pilot]

nego

[obtuse crystal]

I would recommend heartbreaker with some blue cores and some red cores on it

[agile citrus]

christ. game is hard -_-

[magic pilot]

nego, OD, HB. HF, umbra (meh), hotshot

[cerulean smelt]

nothing survives in your screen huh?

[agile citrus]

tinkerer, reload/lmg and measured is so diabolical

[magic pilot]

we shall see

[cerulean smelt]

surprised you're not using frenzy in that get up XD

[leaden patio]

Sorry but I am not aware of half of the abbreviations xD

[magic pilot]

i reload too much, havent played lately

[subtle bluff]

Hunter's Fury

[cerulean smelt]

nego= negotiator's dilemma, OD= On going directive, HB = Heartbreaker, HF= Hunter's Fury

[leaden patio]

ty guys!

[subtle bluff]

HF is very underrated.

[cerulean smelt]

i got a ironlung, umbra + nimble holster build 😹

[magic pilot]

check the pinned google sheet, it will take you to all the builds we (the community) generally recommend

[cerulean smelt]

fresh players gets the "build striker" just because it's easier to use and let's them use that while farming for the other builds a bit easier

[silent storm]

This is my current TS build

[subtle bluff]

What's the CHD?

[leaden patio]

yea, that's where I am. But I don't really enjoy the playstyle of ar + striker shield so I am looking into some of the lmg builds

[silent storm]

#td2-build-advice message

[subtle bluff]

It's like you gaslight by talking about what can be done at the range and what can be done actually and you use TS Chest.

[silent storm]

What's wrong with TS chest?

[subtle bluff]

He knows what I'm asking you've got the wrong idea.

[cerulean smelt]

it's basically like the striker chest. just not feasible to have in normal content since you'll never get max stacks kind of thing

[silent storm]

I constantly have max stacks

[subtle bluff]

I mean it can but it's uptime being up is isn't high.

[onyx sage]

the problem isn't really the uptime. it's just worse than glass cannon

[magic pilot]

@subtle bluff

[subtle bluff]

Im solo heroic I'll kind of doubt it unless your just firing all the time.

[silent storm]

TS isn't like Striker though I don't even need to hit something to build stacks

[onyx sage]

TS backpack though is really good

[subtle bluff]

You got it w/o modifiers since I don't have it in my head what.

[magic pilot]

no tbh

[subtle bluff]

Dang. I'll look later.

[silent storm]

I have a 195 round LMG and a 65 Round Rifle, I am shooting all the time lol

[magic pilot]

ill see if i can find a SS later, doing a run atm

[subtle bluff]

Again does that mean in combat you're always shooting or moving, taking cover, reloading, etc.

Things you've said in the past.

[cerulean smelt]

so, we got a skill overdrive last season, weapon overdrive this season. so next season armor overdrive? season after that a mixture of all 3? (> <)

[silent storm]

Yeah dude TS stacks are way easier to keep compared to Striker

[subtle bluff]

And there's no way we're doing what we're doing and now you're saying you're doing it.

Clip is you having 100% uptime while clearing heroic retal

[silent storm]

Plus if you supress someone you don't lose any stacks

[subtle bluff]

You're us that the info we know.

[cerulean smelt]

don't remember where i saw, but someone mentioned using cooler to keeping ts stacks up. was like that's brilliant!

[silent storm]

Cool idea but I would rather have a LWM4

[subtle bluff]

Again gaslight. We know on paper what can be done. But actually it is possible.

[cerulean smelt]

you're missing the point which what mrchow is trying to say is going way over your head

[silent storm]

I just clear 2 heroic Realts last night solo, what are you on about?

[subtle bluff]

It's what I do to take down houndman super quick. I should just do a DCH shot.

[subtle bluff]

You saying it doesn't prove anything. With full stacks

[silent storm]

Quickstep is now must have in timed content BTW

[cerulean smelt]

you just figured that out now?
when they told us about the weapon people especially speed runners knew it'd be great just for those moments

[silent storm]

got this one out of the box it's so nice

[subtle bluff]

It's the same with leggo zoo no proof just gaslight.

[silent storm]

I haven't beat that yet, been farming the Houndsman

[cerulean smelt]

i need a mrchow zoo leg carry (> <)

[silent storm]

Which is another thing that TS build I posted allowed me to solo

[subtle bluff]

If I could have a gif...

Ok let me see if I can break this up for you to understand.

[subtle bluff]

1. I do not doubt you cleared solo heroic retaliation. As in I believe that because it's not hard.

2. I doubt you did have TS at near max stacks the whole time.

3. If you want to prove that you did give us proof with a clip or of a replay of you taking a CP during it.

[silent storm]

1. I was surprised by how easy it actually was.

2. Obviously I lose stacks when I kill everything and have to build again at next fight, but it doesn't take long to max stacks with 195 rounds.

3. Since nvidia app took away the broadcast feature I have no way to capture other than just sharing screen on discord

[agile citrus]

why do you want this with 10% dtooc instead of swap speed. do you intend to use this for anything besides roleplaying as sonic the hedgehog?

[agile citrus]

steam has a record function btw

[subtle bluff]

God I takes me doing that for you follow...

[silent storm]

it's just the way it came and I haven't modded it yet

[subtle bluff]

Nivida app still does replay.

[cerulean smelt]

i've been introduced to several different free capture apps. outplayed with overwolf, medal and OBS i think?

[agile citrus]

-_- steam does it now

[silent storm]

I don't play through steam

[cerulean smelt]

probably if you run it through steam, but ubisoft connect doesn't have a thing for it so kind of pointless mentioning steam here

[agile citrus]

it does in fact record mine.
but it may have to be run as a "nonsteam app" if he only has ubi version

[silent storm]

Why would I put it through steam
?

[agile citrus]

since you dont seem to have record app, this will provide one without needing any dl etc.

[agile citrus]

also Im not super sure but steam might provide a desktop record. in fact, steam might record not steam games, but an overlay on windows. I need to check

[silent storm]

Apparently I do have record app but I'm not going to dedicate my SSDs to video storage for a game. That is what I used to use YT for with just streaming it

And I'm not a streamer so once Nvidia got rid of that function I never cared to look for another one

I mean DIscord has it but you need to watch live

[cerulean smelt]

only reason i asked about capture apps, the windows clipping tends to just go back to desktop when i press the key, so that i could ask a few people i trust if i'm losing my mind with a gun in game as it seems to be like they unnerfed it

[silent storm]

and you can't stream to this server

[subtle bluff]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/software/nvidia-app/
is the new nvidia software for the what you’re talking about Rowdy.

[silent storm]

atleast I can't

[silent storm]

what's that?

[cerulean smelt]

nobody can, some people abused it in some fashion i think and the capabilities were revoked

[silent storm]

If that is the broadcast app that only allows you to do like camera and sound stuff

No just log in to a video platform and stream

Like it used to be so easy but like everything they have to make it bad

[cerulean smelt]

well, it does show capture your moments

[agile citrus]

meanwhile we are conversing in an app that allows for free stream, free servers, -_-

[subtle bluff]

https://youtube.com/shorts/q-mY5HA674g?si=aDNhKslt7VU__kSR

[silent storm]

yeah but on nivida app you used to be able to log into twitch or YT or whatever and just capture stream gameplay

[subtle bluff]

I don’t want him to stream it just capture his game play of him doing on his own time…

[magic pilot]

ive seen things in the other discord 🫢

[subtle bluff]

When did they change that? I change off of nvidia 3 months ago and I could capture fine then.

[silent storm]

yes to your local drive

[agile citrus]

go get a drink, forget the bad days -_-

[cerulean smelt]

i vaguely remember a long time someone coming here asking about it and a mod told them the bad news

[subtle bluff]

Is that bad?

[silent storm]

I am not going to load my SSDs up with pointless videos

[subtle bluff]

You can delete them…

[cerulean smelt]

just more work (> <)

[silent storm]

I don't even have a HDD anymore

[agile citrus]

doesnt one drive give like free 5 gigs?

[subtle bluff]

What a Mech HD.

[agile citrus]

and prob google drive has similar

[silent storm]

I deleted one drive

[agile citrus]

Ima be real. this just sounds liike dodging. time for food

[cerulean smelt]

i saw a recent video where a guy used some usb dock to put a NVME into to run an OS on it or something. was like why haven't i heard of this?

[subtle bluff]

but again to our point if you can’t prove something we’ve proven already or can again we’re not taking your word by word.

Gaslight again just say you don’t or can’t vs making an excuse about it

[agile citrus]

wait till you hear about virtual machines if you havent yet. ^ this is what steam deck users commonly use to have both steam os and windows

[silent storm]

Litterally this is about having 75 TS stacks?

[cerulean smelt]

think it was a gaming linux distro show case i was like huh? then watched as he put the NVME in some weird circular object like a volume control for speakers

[agile citrus]

basically its an OS on a hard drive. a virtual machine is a software variant. basically 2 os on your device, but the VM is booted seperatly

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, know about virutal machines. don't use it really since i have no need aside my linux machine to run div 2 on it

[agile citrus]

used commonly for testing, bugs, example showing on youtube ect

[subtle bluff]

This is what you said.

[silent storm]

While in combat yes

[agile citrus]

OH thats right I forgot. yyy, steam deck essentially does this to every game. weirded me out when I first had to dissect my steam decks files

[subtle bluff]

I’ve already said it all and you can’t prove it.

[silent storm]

Have you never used TS?

[subtle bluff]

Vs the better way of doing it and quicker way of doing DPS.

[subtle bluff]

I’ve already said this.

[cerulean smelt]

pretty sure he has even before the lastest change to it
why he's challenging on it as your statement you put "i'm always at full stacks"

[agile citrus]

Ima be real. I havent. I saw the "dial" pic on the set and was like... why dont I care enough to know what this set is? or does?

[subtle bluff]

There’s really isn’t any good I have used…

[subtle bluff]

The new gearset is actually not half bad.

[agile citrus]

is it that one that boosts cd and cc for lmg, its like reverse striker lmg?

[silent storm]

CHD and Weapon Handling

[subtle bluff]

I tent to use it in Group setting more just because I it’s easier to have a target rich environment.

[cerulean smelt]

well, the CC theyr'e referrign to is the suppression

[agile citrus]

I saw someone using it in mm, looked at it and said, elmo+shield lmg, disowns this, so do I

[silent storm]

Put a Shield infront of a TS LMG and man things just melt

Specially if it is the shield with the bonus

[silent storm]

Suppression is just that you don't need TS to do that with an LMG

Why facepalm?

[cerulean smelt]

set asked about the set #td2-build-advice message
i was just saying the cc they see in the set is the suppression mechanic
but you're going off you don't need the TS to do that with an LMG

[silent storm]

Suppression just pauses the loss of stacks

And honestly it's so easy to suppress an enemy, if you see one in cover just throw 30-50 rounds at him

[cerulean smelt]

yes, which is built into the set as a mechanic for that and to me suppression is a form of CC
so the facepalm is you're replying trying to educate me on the set but i already know. hell you can suppress with ar/smg/rifles but it doesn't happen very well as it does with LMG which is it's innate ability

[agile citrus]

Ill add only one thing and its basically a massive of sum up why I never use lmg outside of utilit. I own an iron lung, for pvp and raiding (when elmo cant) I own a pesti and a blue screen. all these lmgs bring a status that is beneficial without exposing yourself. the problem with lmg, is in a solo enviroment, you are too exposed to effectively handle high bullet sponge waves.

this is why this doesnt seem smart or viable, imo for solo retal

[silent storm]

Exposed how compared to all other guns?

[agile citrus]

shield.

[silent storm]

Cover

[agile citrus]

you still take dmg in cover.

[silent storm]

The Division is a cover based shooter after all

[agile citrus]

not only is your hands considered dmg able, when blind firing but also, poping up in cover is really inferior to crusader shield

[silent storm]

Then get better positioning

[cerulean smelt]

never done some peaking firing i see 🤔

[silent storm]

exactly, Pie the angle

[agile citrus]

I agree with this, however the mechanic of an lmg, isnt quite aligned with this mechanic. specificaly imo the greatest boon of cover, is the near invuln from to cover to cover and the peek from around a corner.

[cerulean smelt]

basically. don't be in cover and move left or right until you're able to see and fire at them but you're just a smaller target to be shot at. you still get hit here and there but you can still do damage

[agile citrus]

Im only stating why I personaly dont use lmg. I also think its relevant to point out as a mostly duo or solo player, the exposure is much bigger than 4 or 8 combat

[cerulean smelt]

not sure if @subtle bluff or other players has a short gif/clip showing this
one other method that's been patched recently was shield peaking

now shield peaking is pretty much no different to cover peaking. you're just as exposed

[agile citrus]

Im also a tactical shooter vet, meaning I learned kb+m in csgo, after being a console player. Im genuinely unconfortble using gameplay mechanics of spray and pray.

[leaden patio]

Is OD Bluescreen a good idea for retaliation? Just love the combo. If so, any recommendation on what to pair it with

[agile citrus]

unless you take explosive dmg, and it has to be able to actually kill your shield, (explosive resist and pfe can affect this) you dont generaly take dmg behind a crusader sheild.

[cerulean smelt]

couldn't say honestly. i'd say go try it out and figure how you can utlize it honestly

[agile citrus]

I dont know what lore the "meta" players have been talking about, but this has been a thing at least in heroic and under.

one of the easist way to see this is behind a crusader shield vigilance doesnt drop

[cerulean smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYA9O9s7JYA
shield peeking i'm speaking of......

[agile citrus]

pvp?
wut. am I being dumb again? what does pvp shield peeking having scope removed change

[subtle bluff]

A shield with LMG eh? Never thought of that...

[silent storm]

You realize I was talking about another person in a team right?

[cerulean smelt]

the shield peeking mechanic came about because pvpers would utilize that being behind full cover. pull shield out peak out enough they can shoot players but players can't see them and shoot back
so pve gets hit with the nerfs thanks to pvpers

[gentle lichen]

my friends already do that 😍

[silent storm]

Nice isn't it

[gentle lichen]

i don't get to shoot shit

[agile citrus]

uh. I havent tested this cuz scope in dumb (csgo/val player) but I think you can in pve?

also in pve enemies dont aim for your head. so... crusader takes all the dmg

[silent storm]

oh so you are the shield then

[gentle lichen]

just saying left hand peeking is a thing and it's still not fixed

[subtle bluff]

You replied to me....

[agile citrus]

I want ravenous shield. sigh. stoopid devs

[silent storm]

Yes because you replied to me

[cerulean smelt]

i wouldn't know as i never really used that mechanic, but supposedly they fixed it but i just solo and kill things mostly so yeah

[agile citrus]

^ this btw is what I thought you ment, cuz this did affect pve. shield used to shoulder swap. now its right shoulder only

[gentle lichen]

it's not a pve thing tbh and it only works on bulwark shield

[cerulean smelt]

but just letting set know there are ways to use lmgs to basically peek and do some damage while taking minimal damage and shield peeking was the only thing that came to mind

[silent storm]

What are we saying is the best The Harvest build?

[agile citrus]

OH you ment using the pvp peeking method, can be used on lmg. I was so confused

[gentle lichen]

it has a crazy interaction with dodge city holster in pvp but i will not divulge

i feel like talking about 2 exploits is bad already

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, pretty much, just not the shield
you inch your way while aiming and you'll see you can shoot at things but they can only hit you so much so you can get some damage in and maybe some kills

[agile citrus]

lissen I have an lmg. its named after a furry red puppet. and it comes a shield tyvm

I also never use it, cuz... spray and pray makes me sad

[cerulean smelt]

i guess it can be considered an exploit but how long has that been in the game and the fact they supposedly patched it but didn't according to you?

[gentle lichen]

as far as i know both those are since launch or since their addition to the game

and they were never addressed

[cerulean smelt]

but i could imagine dch and that pulse keep forgetting the name that highlights a random part and considering it a headshot would probably be huge damage pvp wise?

[gentle lichen]

it's something else but you're hovering around the answer

[agile citrus]

glares at determined and achilles pulse

[cerulean smelt]

nods just not trying to go into the rule breaking area, but i'm just imagining it lol

i'm personally not a DCH fan

[agile citrus]

I use tac 50, for my setup. but uh pvp

it does like 10m. at exp 30, no striker stacks

prob does more if you use an actual sniper build /shrug

[gentle lichen]

if you wanna know more check dms

[fresh cliff]

how do we feel about this build? thinking of maybe changing the chest and back around so i can use headhunter for more damage

[cerulean smelt]

what's the goal of your build? i see tinkerer in there

[fresh cliff]

use the sr-1 with determined and behind you together with decoy to just get massive chunks of damage out on all enemies

[cerulean smelt]

@agile citrus not a pvper myself. only did it for the max dz level and getting a few dz exclusive items a bit faster than relying on rng for named items caches

[subtle bluff]

Don’t use tinkerer

[fresh cliff]

cause if my thinking is right determined will make using hotshot infinitely easier to get armour,damage and never having to reload

and then having behind you comboed onto it with tinkerer makes the initial shot do more to get into the loop easier

[cerulean smelt]

i agree with chow, there's a hotshot build in the pins, basically you have chainkiller on it and you just have that much easier time maintaining the hotshot bonuses

[agile citrus]

just use mantis -_-

[fresh cliff]

i dont like copying builds others have

[fresh cliff]

ngl i dont really like mantis all that much im aware its good just dont really vibe with it idk

[cerulean smelt]

oh and probably an airialdi backpack with vigilience (1 second cool down from perfect)

[silent storm]

That seems short sighted

[agile citrus]

mantis offers decoy, and you do bonus dmg if they're not looking at you. then decoy regens if you get a hs kill

[fresh cliff]

im aware of how mantis works it was like my first exotic so i used it quite a bit

[agile citrus]

to each their own. I use cuz sometimes sniping is cool... and determined is not. its for carrying and farming imo. everyone has fun their way, I love my bh, sniper, hh aldy with 3 hs a hs sub stats, 5 crit and memento, but no else does so meh. I also swap the bh for lex with mantis when I want to snipe for funsies

[fresh cliff]

also from my understanding mantis is for a more passive/defensive playstyle which i dont really do im an aggressive player

[tired falcon]

depends on what you mean by good. I'm guessing you mean enough dps for retaliation, so if that's the case then I say yes it's good.
It has good per shot dmg, rate of fire, that large mag size, and the status effects are very useful.

I run two bluescreen loadouts in general, one with ongoing directive and other with tipping scales.
The loadout is essentially the same: catharsis mask, perfect bloodsucker backpack, rest OD or TS.
I play up close and personal.
Sometimes I swap the backpack for perfect galvanize.

The tactic is the same though: put the bluescreen mark on multiple targets, then down one, and while the marked enemies are staggered/confused put new set of marks, rinse and repeat

[subtle bluff]

If you mark that many you may as well ND and get more damage done imo.
Bluescreen is good as long as you ability to get those stacks up and keeping the stacks up. Otherwise other LMG just do more DPS.

[cerulean smelt]

i'm wondering if we took rowdy's ts chest build but use backfire to oversatuate our chd between the 2 for fun (> <)

[subtle bluff]

YouTubers have already done that.

[cerulean smelt]

seriously?!

[gentle lichen]

big numbers = big views
you already know

[subtle bluff]

You don't want to run MMR then since you're stationary a lot to shoot MMR. Maybe HHF with shotguns for you.

[cerulean smelt]

nah it's more the correct titles = more views

does raucey have a hhf shot gun build? or do you have it? i vaguely remember watching one such video

[subtle bluff]

Hultcher

I need to make one too I've been kind of holding off from doing it.

[urban latch]

its in the sheet

[cerulean smelt]

dont' recall watching any of their videos

[subtle bluff]

He has some of good videos there old but still meta. There's my new player yt Pl

[subtle bluff]

Is there 2 of them? I'm working on the MMR one from you with HHF in there.

[urban latch]

HH HF is in the HF guide

[tired falcon]

it's less than a second, 2 seconds max to mark 3 to 5 enemies. bluescreen does enough dmg that I can focus on one target and down it fast; the ability to stagger multiple targets is a side benefit

[fresh cliff]

U sure ive ran snipers in the past fairly aggresive and been fine for the mpst part

[subtle bluff]

I was disagreeing with you at all to be fair. I was just saying there different/better to do that.
But with ND you'd kill all of at once for doing it.

[silent storm]

What's this now?

[subtle bluff]

Yes but no where as agro as I am with HHF.

[fresh cliff]

Whats hhf

[silent storm]

Headshot Hunter's Faith I believe

[buoyant perch]

Headhunter's fury

[silent storm]

So I was way off

[fresh cliff]

Headhunter wit hhunters fury? Really?

[buoyant perch]

Yeah, 4x hunter's fury, chainkiller, backpack with vigilance

[silent storm]

NM Hunter's Faith is D1 lol I'm dumb, Hunters fury is D2

[buoyant perch]

Or alt version with Dodge City Holster

[fresh cliff]

What wweapons do i run that with cause hunters fury is more for smg/shotguns but headhunter is for precision

[silent storm]

So I wasn't far off just got the name worng

[buoyant perch]

M870 & Regulus for oneshotting

[onyx sage]

shotgun sniper/rifle and pistol

[silent storm]

Shotgun

[cerulean smelt]

hutchler? or hultcher?

[buoyant perch]

wHiTe dEaTH is nOt a ClOsE rAnGe wp

[subtle bluff]

My bio look next to my name there url.

He's got a point. @onyx sage

[fresh cliff]

I dont have regulus 😢

[onyx sage]

you don't need regulus

[subtle bluff]

Don't need it.

[onyx sage]

he's being ironic. he knows me well and knows i play white death hhf

[subtle bluff]

I know. I'm joking too.

The avg player doesn't know better.

[onyx sage]

so true

[cerulean smelt]

i feel any gun can be used close quarters honestly

[subtle bluff]

I've been trying to run it your way. It's taking me a while to get it.

[cerulean smelt]

regulus collects dust in my stash 👀

[subtle bluff]

Dare you to try it with nemesis.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342291031219245136/1374276943339458560/head_movement.gif

[cerulean smelt]

don't like nemesis, but pretty sure dien doesn't have issue with that either (> <)

[subtle bluff]

Damnit.

[onyx sage]

this is how you play it

[cerulean smelt]

here i was expecting a nemesis close quarter clip

[subtle bluff]

How you can play it...

[onyx sage]

no i mean the white death aggressive playstyle

[subtle bluff]

I meant for HHF so both.

[onyx sage]

but ideally you mix and match weapons to maximize your overall rate of fire

weapon swapping is really good tech

[cerulean smelt]

i maximize the times i die (> <)

[fresh cliff]

interesting i might try it

[onyx sage]

it's really really fun. you can use it in open world, missions, or even tryharding like in the clip. it's my most used build ever

[fresh cliff]

ive been using the pistol build and strikers build a lot

[onyx sage]

yeah pistol hh is fine too, this one is like mix and matching all 3 weapons and makes me feel like i'm maximizing my usage of all of them

ironically the pistol isn't used in the clip but you probably know from experience that it already works

[fresh cliff]

adn what its just hunters fury with headhunter and vigilance?

[onyx sage]

yes

u can play it with big shield, firewall shield or no shield so you can swap to mmr freely

[fresh cliff]

woul my m870 with max DOA and TOC with close and personal go well into the build

[onyx sage]

you want brazen as the talent

[fresh cliff]

so just change it to brazen on that 870

[lost wren]

ye

[fresh cliff]

do i go all in on headshot damage? or crit

[onyx sage]

hsd (+ handling)

[fresh cliff]

am i using an exotic piece at all?

[onyx sage]

ideally no

that's the best part about the build, but if you want you can use memento instead of vigi

[fresh cliff]

yeah i was gonna say i could go memento instead just for its bonuses for like armour and a bit of extra damage just cause why not see a bigger number

[cerulean smelt]

what about overdogs?

[onyx sage]

yeah nothing's stopping you from just using memento

[onyx sage]

it doesn't fit on here, you would lose vigi just for situational damage

[cerulean smelt]

shroud too?

[onyx sage]

not worth losing regulus

but you can use it if you don't use reg

[fresh cliff]

i was thinking using an 1886 just in case i need something with range cause enemies arent close

[cerulean smelt]

i'm below the average player to own a regulus (> <)

[fresh cliff]

i know it gets no bonuses from hunters fury but its like a backup to pick off a couple enemies

[onyx sage]

i mean i use white death and that also gets no bonuses

[fresh cliff]

oh yeah i forgot about white death lol

[onyx sage]

i just prefer wd over 1886 because of extra mod slots for stability

if you want more range white death is better honestly, pistol already fills the role of 1886

white death or any good mmr*

[fresh cliff]

true also cause i dont have regulus i was thinking either harvest or liberty just for armour repair if i need

[cerulean smelt]

no quickstep to get closer faster?

[fresh cliff]

just move quicker 🧌

[buoyant perch]

cardio is important

[onyx sage]

harvest with salvage is what i recommend

wouldn't recommend liberty or d50 due to lower base and worse recoil

[cerulean smelt]

snubnose decent?

[subtle bluff]

I run 1886 and a shotgun for my HHF normally.

[cerulean smelt]

i'm below the average player who doesn't own a hhf build (> <)

[silent storm]

I hate that FI and ND icon look so similar. I was happy to farm Houndsman today and get those sweet ND drops. Then I read the GS name. Sad

[cerulean smelt]

imagine hotshot and OD (> <)

[fresh cliff]

what should i use on WD

[hexed steppe]

who tf is this guy crop dusting my safehouse

[onyx sage]

dttooc and any talent you like, determined, optimist, ranger, streamline

[stark flicker]

what is a good non scales build to run with lmg's

[hexed steppe]

nego, od

[stark flicker]

kk ty

I'm having a lot of fun using the mk 46

which talent is better measured or frenzy?

this is my current build minus the skills

[hexed steppe]

make sure you use 3rd stat as chc for most lmg setups

[stark flicker]

got that

[hexed steppe]

nice

[stark flicker]

these are my stats with overdrive active

so normally it's 60 chc and 165.7 chd

[silent storm]

Nice

[stark flicker]

these are my mods

[stark flicker]

tbh I'm mostly looking for advice on how to improve the build aside from swapping to a better lmg

I plan on swapping the mk46 to a bk when I get it

[silent storm]

LOL I was just taking a shower

[onyx sage]

you might want to swap the accuracy and stability mods to chc so you can maximize chd on gear

[stark flicker]

I only have a singular bit of chc on my armor

[hexed steppe]

swap to crit mods and re.... nvm 👆 do that

[onyx sage]

chc mods to chd mods as well

gear mods, not gun mods

[stark flicker]

should I swap the sight or the underbarrel

[hexed steppe]

are you using gunner

[silent storm]

Come on Local lets run a Houndsman bounty I have a bunch of them

[onyx sage]

both

[hexed steppe]

ok inv

[stark flicker]

normally yes but I'm leveling up expertise on firewall

[hexed steppe]

fair

[onyx sage]

that's how i would improve it but if you want the extra handling from them it's good as is

i find mk46/m249 easy to handle unmodded myself

[stark flicker]

swapping out the chc mod on my mask I'd be at 59% with one chc mod on the weapon

is it really worth overcapping to 64% chc

[onyx sage]

with nego yes

nego and TS are the 2 only gear sets where it's worth slight overcaps

[stark flicker]

actually I just realized my gloves don't have max chc so it'd be 59.5

[onyx sage]

just leave it as that imo

[stark flicker]

I got really lucky with my overdogs I got 5.5 chc and 14.6 wd

and 10.7 chd

[onyx sage]

so optimizing that chc would get you to 60?

[stark flicker]

no optimizing would get me to 59.5

[onyx sage]

ah ok

nego is fun to play and is strong at all levels

[stark flicker]

I actually am only missing like 1-2 glove and shd calibration

[stark flicker]

I've been running around with it mostly with lmg's and shotguns

nem is also fun

[onyx sage]

yeah, it's unlike striker or TS where it sucks if the enemies are too squishy

[stark flicker]

should I keep running an mmr as my secondary or should I swap to a rifle

rifles get a buncha chd from their second core right

[onyx sage]

i'd recommend rifle since it has slightly higher rof and some chd, base damage isn't really priority for nego

[stark flicker]

striker is fun but I dislike how you're excluded to a very small number of good weapons

[onyx sage]

marking speed is an often overlooked "stat" for nego, but the faster you mark something the faster you can switch to your main target to mag dump, and that marking speed is just rof-based

[stark flicker]

nego is a lot more flexible

[onyx sage]

yeah, realistically the scenarios where nego is weak in you have striker to deal with it, but those scenarios are really rare if you consider overall content

[stark flicker]

I sometimes use rav but the kick is awful

okay but should I keep measured on my mk46 or should I swap to frenzy

[onyx sage]

play with frenzy for a bit and keep track of your uptime with it

if the uptime feels awful switch to measured

[silent storm]

GG local, he has seen the power of my build

[silent storm]

So these are god rolled right? I remember someone saying 3 HazPro was the game

[hazy steeple]

If hazpro is what you want on there, then it's highly rolled for you.
Although technically godrolled means that the stats are 100% maxed out 🫶 🤓

[silent storm]

I mean that little to max out armor may as well be max

[hazy steeple]

Div2 is a big old math nerds game, so it's basically there, but using the exact right term in a lot of cases in this game will save you future headaches.

e.g. like with crit chance, having as much as possible will usually mean you are over-capping it from 60%, which is just wasted rolls.

[silent storm]

So I should that after is commit a couple flags these will be godroll.

[hazy steeple]

Honestly, if a piece is 99% perfect and you know you're going to be using it, you might as well sacrifice the resources to make it flawless.

[silent storm]

Not like it's a lot

And I have another max HazPro one so I can choose Skill or DMG on it

I'll be honest with you though I don't know what to build next. I have a couple good DPS builds I have a couple good Skill DMG builds. I have a healer build.

[hazy steeple]

@silent storm Check out the spreadsheet that's 📌 pinned in this channel, all the builds in there are Heroic-tier (special shout out to the Localdeck/iKia setups).

My personal favourite "weird" build, is a Red Future Initiative, which you can refer to as a "harmacist". It's my go-to Countdown setup, when I'm not running an anti-Hunter setup at the start.

[silent storm]

I would like to say something. I got the god rolled gun and I built a kit around it. This gun is not good. Some say it is the little big horn. It isn't. I am sadden by how bad this gun is.

I wanted it to be good but it just really sucks. Shard them all.

Waiting for MrChow to tell me how it is the best gun in game

Getting this First Sight gave me greater appreciation for this

[obtuse crystal]

I’m not mrchow but that’s the best gun in the game

[silent storm]

LOL

Lud is better

[obtuse crystal]

This is better than lud tbh https://youtu.be/2mPJ6m3m0Ws?si=0vU5zk2HKNDXsIm-

[silent storm]

And the thing is I love the Lud. What I can't get onboard with is using a Shield to hide your weakness.

Shield should only be used for one reason. To buff my DMG as I follow through a pack of hostiles.

People who "Solo with a shield" pussies

[subtle bluff]

wow it comes out the gaslight. I’ll take that. What did you say here?
Also that’s striker shield in the video to AMP the damage pretty sure the video.
But then again I could say the same players not able to use Glass Cannon are weak.

[silent storm]

I use Glass Cannon on builds. But also I am a D3-FNC badass House user from The Division. You know what I loved about being a D3? Watching those I am shielding destroy anything in our way.

I'll be honest with you though. Even though I am a badass D3-FNC player on The Division, there are people that are still so weak that we can't complete the mission so I just leave.

So now in The Division 2 I wanted to be the DPS that I was lacking in The Division. All Red All Yellow.

But when you pull a shield out in the Division 2 and you got that indicator behind you. You gonna find my ass right behind you getting that buff

[subtle bluff]

Still gaslighting I see. I have no idea what you're talking about D3?
You're coming in confident tonight. Those event buff make you fill powerful?
Come to legendary Solo F100 Summit like this.

[uncut ore]

Not the best build at all but it's gotten me through some heroic stuff.
strikers is all red with Zero F's staying on armor
got some skill haste on the mask with crit hit damage
Armour on kill on the zero F's with hazard and crit hit damage also
Holster has armor regen for when i dont have a drone up
Memento with protection from elites
Gloves with repair skills
and kneepads with weapon handling
I use the bullet king with LMG and out of cover damage and rock and roll with the new pistol quickstep

[subtle bluff]

With the current event you should fine but afterwards some with 800 RPM and higher will net you more DPS in the end..

[uncut ore]

Eh for me its fine right now I don't tend to over build or play with others besides my friends I just like to have fun

[subtle bluff]

I mean it's call build Advice Channel if you're not looking for advice plz just note that or else you'll get comments like mine.

[gaunt grove]

Finally got me a Quickstep. This gun uses golf rules right?

[elfin summit]

Golf rules? What's that?

Speaking of which, is Chameleon good for Striker? And what's a good Tipping Scales build?

[fierce olive]

i need help deciding between tipping scales, ongoing directive and negotiators dilemma. i like builds that have a little more to them, and i love guns like the bluescreen

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > Spreadsheet > BUild Hub

tons of good info and builds.