td2-build-advice

[mental tangle]

Probably

[woeful zodiac]

Ik that's why I used decoy and shield

[fervent ore]

What is this roll

[wraith zealot]

stat overflow dw about it

[meager fog]

It's a god roll, well done

[fervent ore]

First time saw something like this dropping on heroic lmao

[woeful zodiac]

Nah more like a hell spread

[rich cosmos]

We love the satan roll

[lost wren]

what attribute do you put on quickstep?
swap speed? or is it just dtooc as usual?

[fervent ore]

Ofc swap speed

[mental tangle]

Yeah saw that too

[cloud laurel]

This must be on hard mode or so

Get rid of that trash backpack and farm proper gear set such as tipping scale or striker. Many good gear set build already pinned

[strong cave]

Bro got the Satan roll instead of the godroll

[solar sable]

Just a heads up. CC doesn't stand for Crit Chance here, it will be mistaken for Crowd Control.
Same goes for cd/CD as it is read Countdown.

[hexed steppe]

Lootcifer was not on their side that day
🔥 😈 🔥

[strong cave]

Nah they just gave him a pistol with sports mode on it

[hexed steppe]

not like it matters tho. i saved my first 4 regardless of rolls and donated the rest

[fervent ore]

Ahh okayyy👍

[strong cave]

I'm expertise 30 which is where it's capped at so I'm not expertising anything else

I've got none of the new gear at max rank yet. Don't see a point to anymore. Exp is capped at 30 and none of the new gear is even worth wasting resources

[rich cosmos]

I wish we would get an exotic famas

Or an actual lvoa exotic

[strong cave]

Honestly, a cool pair of exotic gloves allowing you to take 2 exotic guns would be a goofy idea. Make the attributes of the exotic rerollable

Have it drop with any attribute and any sub attribute

[rich cosmos]

Eh

I feel like thats not very interesting

[winged prism]

rifles suck tho :(

unless they change that...

[cloud laurel]

Yep it is except 1 shot build otherwise rifle isn’t good but I’ve seen rav hit 7-8M in raid at DH

[winged prism]

ravenous is a very welcome exception

[rich cosmos]

They suck because of handling and rpm, both of which can be fixed with an exotic

Reminder, Oreo is goated because it has better stats, not because of its talent

Do the exact same thing with an lvoa exotic, make its stats even closer to a normal ar, but its talent just alright to account for strong stats

Could even make the lvoa themed around div 1 or something, snow or first wave themed

Rifles need more love

[winged prism]

they could also majorly change the way most exotic rifles work (doctor home is the most disgraceful thing ever put in the game)

[rich cosmos]

Doctor home buff

No longer forced scope, increase the mark timer and make the armor kit 15%

Bam thats it

[winged prism]

and make it add to bonus armor*

[rich cosmos]

Not necessary but would be nice

[winged prism]

then just gotta deal with sacrum imperium, merciless and bighorn (only saying bighorn cause its my fav exotic and i want it to be the most meta thing in the game)

[rich cosmos]

But seriously I hate that both the hugely popular lvoas in the game aren’t even lvoas

Just reskinned m4

[meager fog]

We just got the Overdogs, don't try and oust them straight away. These things are insane

[cloud laurel]

Who need doctor doom when you have infinite heal from chem restore? pair with FI and you can field up entire room with chem restore lol

[winged prism]

cause no item in this game should suck that bad

rugged gauntlets is another example

[rich cosmos]

No such thing as a “rug gauntlets”

Fake news, doesn’t exist

[cloud laurel]

There is some vid build around that glove it’s okayish tho

[strong cave]

:( we need new pvp toys

[meager fog]

A tactical nuke to remove all DZ's would be nice

[cloud laurel]

Infinite heal

[onyx sage]

ah yes, we love tinkering

[cloud laurel]

I’ve seen infinite determined always active lol

[meager fog]

Yes? That's kind of the point of Determined?

[cloud laurel]

Also I’ve known massive dmg if glitches but idk if that fixed or not but happened in tidal leg, a guys 1 shot everything with Elmo so we just tag along for fun

[onyx sage]

nah he's talking about tinkerer bug, but i won't elaborate

[meager fog]

Ok dok, I don't PvP in this game so I can't comment lol

but from the context seems like they are using some form of exploit, yeah?

[cloud laurel]

Some and some aren’t such as

This isn’t exploit

[meager fog]

I'm not even going to try and make sense of what you said there.

But this is off topic for this channel

[onyx sage]

some of it is, as he said, this one i think is related to lucky shot

[exotic lava]

Can someone advise me a build for Open World on Heroic and all 5 directives (max difficulty) please? For PVE I mean 🙂

[rich cosmos]

Seriously tho, make an exotic lvoa and just increase the rpm by 100 or more, high rpm rifle balanced out by no handling mods and no direct damage talent would be cool

[uncut willow]

someone know how i can get hyena keys pls ? bc i want to get chatter s box

[tulip charm]

Named hyena

[cerulean smelt]

i usually find keys in sewers with the boxes also in summit same boxes

though those boxes gives out all kinds of keys so you maybe at it a long while before you finally get one XD

[uncut willow]

thank you

[uncut willow]

and how i find it ? with prime ?

[cerulean smelt]

easiest named hyena would be bounties, also hyena control points or hyena missions

[uncut willow]

okay thank

I also have a question, I don't know if I have already found "chatter box" components in the past, how can I be sure that I have not already made a zone by finding a component?

[cerulean smelt]

in the materials you'll see named exotics parts. cross reference those to chatterbox parts

[uncut willow]

okay thank

[cerulean smelt]

there are nemesis MMR parts as well, you may have gotten a few of those if you do the weekly BT invasion missions

[stark flicker]

Do hyena public executions for bounties the bosses are each guaranteed to drop a key

[cerulean smelt]

especialy if you've obtained the named mmr Adrestia in tidal basin and dismantled it

[cerulean smelt]

no clue honestly, probably just a high chance to get keys that way

[stark flicker]

I was making a statement bounty bosses each have a 100% chance to drop 1 faction key

[cerulean smelt]

ah, i wasn't sure. always had my keys maxed out anyways 😹 so that's good to know

[stark flicker]

Bounties are p much all I do anymore

[uncut willow]

okay okay and if i m in normal mode it works too ?

[stark flicker]

Yes but I highly recommend challenging or higher difficulty even if you need a carry bc challenging bounties have 2 bosses

[cerulean smelt]

normal, hard, challenging or heroic probably

[stark flicker]

Also we should continue this in #td2-general-chat bc this isn't the proper channel

[cerulean smelt]

well, community would work as well

[uncut willow]

okay okay thank for your help

[sour smelt]

Advice?

[subtle bluff]

Go to build Hub and use the CD Summiti guide

Nothing in there is good.

[silent storm]

249 B is a great LMG as well

[subtle bluff]

m249 and mk48 are the same.....

[meager fog]

FOr what?

There is nothing to advise here except start again.

For once, there is absolutely nothing in that picture that is in any way synonymous with anything else.

[silent storm]

MK46

[subtle bluff]

Well you are replying to someone that mention MK48 but if you were a someone knowledge about weapons m249/mk46/mk48 are all the same platform. You're either repeating something that was already said knowing then repeating it again without context or you just don't know and are being derp about it all.

[silent storm]

There is no MK48

[subtle bluff]

In-game yes there is none but again like I said...

[silent storm]

I had to look it up because MK48 didn't register as an LMG to me just like an MK16 is not the same as an MK17

[subtle bluff]

It's all from FN. You've try to seem knowledgeable in the past but it's showing otherwise.

[silent storm]

I was a US Soldier gunner with M60 M2 249 B and 240 B. The only FN stuff I am knowledgeable about in real life is my personal FN guns which include the SCAR 17S/MK17 and the SCAR 16S/MK16 since you can't really own an auto without a lot of paperwork

Never got the cool toys the other guys had as we were just route clearance

[cerulean smelt]

so, would talks about in real life guns be mroe for Off Topic discussion? not sure how knowledegable chow is for real life guns but you're in division 2 build advice which is usually reserved for the game division 2

[silent storm]

He was saying the MK48 is the MK46, which it is but I was unaware of that moniker because I have seen MK46 which is in game and he was being catty because I said the 249 B is a great gun when the post I quoted said MK48 and he got to quip "lolz it's the same gun idiot"

[cerulean smelt]

well, if you had both guns in game you'd see the model is pretty much identical and i've used both and both seems pretty identical in terms of firing and handling, least to me it was so mr chow is right that they are the same in the game
real life they may be hugely different, not a gun fan so i wouldn't know and dunno if i googled both guns i'd get the accurate info for both even via wikipedia

[silent storm]

The thing is MK48 isn't in game so it didn't register in my mind as a 249 varient

Anything special about the Handbasket?

[subtle bluff]

But going back a +12hrs ago to replying and repeat to someone else post that something it did even register into your mind then too....

[cerulean smelt]

aside a higher Headshot Damage and being a SVD? not really but i do use that in my headhunter build

[subtle bluff]

It's in the gearsheet if he really cared to look. It's different I don't remember it all more and less stuff.. Not good stats wise vs what we already have.

[silent storm]

Oh Carol has higher HSD Handbasket has yellow Total DMG though

and RPM

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, oh caral has slower rate of fire, handbasket has higher rate of fire and you can put any talent on it. oh carol has static talent that you can't change

[subtle bluff]

UH? They have the same HSD stats...

[silent storm]

I don't know my Handbasket isn't maxed

So it can get up to 137 HSD?

[subtle bluff]

👀 You just said this...

[silent storm]

None of my Handbaskets have maxed HSD

[cerulean smelt]

sheet doesn't reflect that. just oh carol 137% hsd and twinking lights, then handbasket 230,326 base damage

[subtle bluff]

MMR 2nd stats is HSD the stats is maxed to 111%

[silent storm]

You just said they have the same HSD

[gentle lichen]

Oh carol is just an unmoddable white death right

With a rather cosmetic talent

[subtle bluff]

Sorry wtf? They do. You're done heck why would what you're were. I was talking about the weapon stats.

[silent storm]

I haven't played when these guns came out so these are all new to me

[silent storm]

You just said this

What?

[cerulean smelt]

that was me

[silent storm]

My Oh Carol has 137

[cerulean smelt]

oh carol is 137% hsd and won't change or can be put on as a 3rd attribute

[onyx sage]

oh carol has same hsd as white death, build tool is wrong sir

[gentle lichen]

Yeah it's literally a reskinned white death

[subtle bluff]

AH

[subtle bluff]

TY time to fix that

[onyx sage]

get trolled

[cerulean smelt]

well, reskinned M44

[silent storm]

Hey we're bug finding now

[subtle bluff]

Fixed

[cerulean smelt]

so, how much popcorn did you just eat? (> <)

[silent storm]

Can Chill Out roll with a red sub stat?

[onyx sage]

the average player eats Doritos, not popcorn

[cerulean smelt]

it can roll everything sub stat

[silent storm]

Nice I need to farm the hell out of them then

[subtle bluff]

Why tho...

[silent storm]

Got 3 so far but all blues

[gentle lichen]

MASSIVE GIVE ME A DOUBLE CRIT MATADOR AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[cerulean smelt]

they probably got a build in mind to get dispointed in? i know i've done that

[subtle bluff]

trying help people not waste there time but their allow to do w/e they want.

[silent storm]

For just a mask that allows 3 red subs that sounds good on a bunch of builds

[gentle lichen]

What's really amusing to me is the number of people i see put a crit damage and a crit chance mod on a chillout

Like how's that any different than a normal gila

Best use case is a pfe build

[cerulean smelt]

just like me with the guy earlier about using vile against mini warhounds. i'm like uh, mini warhounds are status immune so it won't work. but they can't keep that out of their head and i even pointed out the 2 times they mentioned vile against them.....

[subtle bluff]

Wait wait... Hold on.. 3 sub stats?
It's 1 minor and 2 skill mods...

[cerulean smelt]

i was about to say hazpro build with pfe

[silent storm]

I am a huge fan of Weapon Handling now and I was thinking can also do I nice skill build with it if you can get +24 Skill Haste on one slot would be nice

[subtle bluff]

The best way to example to you is give us your idea for Chill Out and I'll show you a better way of doing it.

[gentle lichen]

You can already do that on any other piece though

Unless you have a triple chd or triple whatever the chillout is the same as any other piece

[subtle bluff]

Even then.

[cerulean smelt]

the huge set back to that atm? you'll have 1 piece for 5% armor which you won't have an armorcore to go off so it'd be miniscule increase and a great decrease in anything offensive or skill wise

[subtle bluff]

He's just forgetting what brandset bonus are.

[gentle lichen]

Chillout also competes with exotic masks

[silent storm]

Only in Mask builds, Overdogs are finding their way into a lot of my builds right now

[cerulean smelt]

like /invite n-b- said about best use case the chillout has is more protection from elite mods in it. upto 4 if you're not going the improvised route

[gentle lichen]

Also a double crit grupo with a chd mod has more crit damage than chillout
-# only 1% more lmao

[gentle lichen]

That means you'll be forced to use bag AND chest for a gearset which is usually not what you wanna do

[cerulean smelt]

not sure if pfe has a hard limit but having 6 pfes might be amusing for houndsman 🤔

[silent storm]

I mean that depends on GS right? like I love TS with both bag and chest

[subtle bluff]

GS?

[cerulean smelt]

gear set

i feel rowdy would be the one to run strikers with both bag and chest

[silent storm]

Naa I have Backbone and Obliterate for Strikers

[cerulean smelt]

oh god, i read out ts as tipping spears when i know he means tipping scales facepalm

[silent storm]

Tipping Spears is Wheel Of Time isn't it?

Been awhile since I read those books

[cerulean smelt]

tip of the spear? no it's just a set where it generates spec weapons ammo, which we had a hard time coming up with a knickname for because both have tip in their names

[silent storm]

ahh

[gentle lichen]

I will never not associate ts with this shit

[cerulean smelt]

both starts with a T and the last of the gear set name ends with S

[silent storm]

Yeah know I crush all those GS items I get, seems only good for one build and I haven't done pyro at all since I came back really

[cerulean smelt]

honestly it just came naturally to me. was like wait a sec!

[gentle lichen]

Wait that was worded wrong lmao i mean the modern slang for "this shit" being ts

[silent storm]

I am liking TS much better than Strikers now though, it just seems better and ramps up faster

[gentle lichen]

I just remembered that scene with the monk

[subtle bluff]

It ramp down just as fast.

[cerulean smelt]

for me TS chest is similar to strikers. so i just use a HE obliterate with mine

[silent storm]

Suppression

[cerulean smelt]

right, suppress wild life in between runs?

[gentle lichen]

Glass is so beautiful with it

[subtle bluff]

I mean.. If everything is dead it's hard to do...

[gentle lichen]

You just spray with cooler till you max stacks then peek and delete everything

[subtle bluff]

Too much time.. 😵

[cerulean smelt]

oh i can imagine

[subtle bluff]

Can't stop, won't stop!

[silent storm]

#td2-build-advice message This is my current TS build, I think it's pretty good

[gentle lichen]

Try lady death with it

It can probs half a mag an elite or something

[cerulean smelt]

shame you can't combine the movement speed of lady deatha hd quick step

[subtle bluff]

Lady sucks at clearing full mobs tho

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 hmmm, hf quicksetp build?

[subtle bluff]

Ya.. I want to but then that'll mess up all of my reference times.

[silent storm]

Actually I changed the Rifle in it to this

[subtle bluff]

Your post something you've said in the past.

[silent storm]

Even if you just go 100% Rifle you can build to max stacks and hit shots of 3-4 million. What I use it for mostly though is when my LMG empties I switch to Rifle and just keep going for 65 shots

[cerulean smelt]

think he meant his tipping scales post he mentioned earlier he had a boomerrange rifle in it's place

[silent storm]

Yeah didn't like the Boomerang

Rifleman is better I feel

[cerulean smelt]

if you can land them headshots yeah a lot better damage wise

[silent storm]

Really isn't hard as you Rifle is like a laser at higher stacks

[rich cosmos]

I wish the lvoa had better handling to make rifleman better

[silent storm]

Have you tried it on TS?

[cerulean smelt]

how's ts help with handling?

[silent storm]

LWM4/LVOA-C/Resolute MK47 all lasers

[silent storm]

0.5% per stack

[subtle bluff]

So lasers then you're adding more weapon handling for what reason?

[rich cosmos]

Ts?

[silent storm]

At max 75 Stacks Rifles are very nice

[cerulean smelt]

tipping scales

[rich cosmos]

Yea I don’t see that working well

[subtle bluff]

hehe ya.. your TTK is just gonna suck more.

[cerulean smelt]

so how many shots does it take to get 75 stacks for .5 handling each stack to make it a "laser"?

[subtle bluff]

It's not shots but time but still

How much DPS you have till that time.. is gonna suck.

vs other builds that do all much much better

[silent storm]

Just lead off with an LMG then when mag is empty swap to Rifle and murder

[cerulean smelt]

if the rifles were still semi it'd be shots regardless, but still wondering how many shots it takes time wise to get them stacks and make it a laser

[silent storm]

A couple mags

But you don't want to lead off with Rifle

[rich cosmos]

Having to do that consistently is the problem

[silent storm]

So rolling the mouse wheel is a problem?

[gentle lichen]

Holy shit he rolls his mouse to change weapons

[silent storm]

Something wrong with that?

[cerulean smelt]

think he plays with a trackball and believes it's standard

[subtle bluff]

I mean if you want just kind of big numbers sure.. the LMG will still outperform a Rifle.

[rich cosmos]

I wonder if tinkerer would be good for rifles on umbra

[silent storm]

LMG is basically on par with Rifle at more than 50 Stacks

[subtle bluff]

I mean is he old enough where they use to play with "m,./" keys?

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 no clue i use nimble holster on mine XD

[subtle bluff]

those were interesting times.

[silent storm]

Rifle has higher DPS at max stacks

[subtle bluff]

wanna bet?

[gentle lichen]

The only rifle build i remember was the high end dps with glass vigi and classic m1a

[silent storm]

is this a math question or an ingame question

[subtle bluff]

It's the same...

[silent storm]

I mean only partyl true

[subtle bluff]

The gun does the same damage in math and in game

Are we gonna do the same song and dance with this?

[silent storm]

Math is perfect, ingame is not perfect

[subtle bluff]

DPS numbers are the same. Accuary and Skill at playing the game sure isn't.

[silent storm]

Ok what is your math secondary to a TS LMG

[subtle bluff]

What do you mean by secondary?

[silent storm]

I have a 65 round Rifle with +50 DMG after 5 HS

[subtle bluff]

"math secondary"

[silent storm]

At 418 RPM

[subtle bluff]

0.o

[silent storm]

And is a laser

[subtle bluff]

wtf is being said right now

[silent storm]

So what gun should I use that would be better?

[rich cosmos]

Isn’t there a rifle talent for handling?

[silent storm]

Here is my LWM4

[gentle lichen]

Uhhhhhhhh

I forgor

Stabilize works well with how it synergises with tipping seeing how you need to keep shooting

[subtle bluff]

I mean just use the mods.. when they give +30 to either stats why waste other things for it.

[cerulean smelt]

you mean this @rich cosmos

[rich cosmos]

Not gonna use tipping, my idea is using umbra

[cerulean smelt]

Stabilize is only LMGs, steady is every weapon

[gentle lichen]

Really? I could swear i saw it on assaults too

[cerulean smelt]

oh no you're right, it's on lmg,ar,smg

[gentle lichen]

But not rifles? Hmmm

[rich cosmos]

I guess pairing this with rifleman could work but I feel like Id rather take weapon handling attributes instead

[cerulean smelt]

why not tinkerer mask and get a couple talents? (> <)

[rich cosmos]

Thats the idea already

[silent storm]

Weapon Handling is monsterous at around 45%+

[subtle bluff]

btw... If you still don't read other info that's is always being mention in this channel (even tho you read other stuff and reply to them without reading context.) In the Pinned Messages we have a DPS calculator that uses in game numbers to figure out your DPS.
Now. If you're build is doing optimal DPS that is on you.

[silent storm]

? I am thinking that you ran the math on gun and decided to be snarky instead of posting a better gun

[subtle bluff]

what?

You again don't read some post and understand it's context.

[cerulean smelt]

long before gears 1.0 (pre wony release) high end 3 providence, hollowman, contractor's, fox's m1a was king in dps pve or pvp

if you played back then, only spec people ran was Sharpshooter as well, so you saw that you didn't even have to inspect them to know what they were running

i'd see it and i'm like "yay i'm getting carried today!" then 2 more join and i'm like watching a competition for kills XD

[silent storm]

You made it sound like my Rifle wasn't good enough so I was just waiting to find out what gun would be better. I tried the Baker's Dozen but it is too slow and low mag. I tried some ARs but they were just weak. I tried a couple Shot Guns but that was way too much work. Rifles, specially the high mag capacity ones were just awesome.

[subtle bluff]

Again context has being thrown around.

You're not focusing on what context that is being talked about.

[silent storm]

What context?

[subtle bluff]

I am rarely gonna give you straight answer because you don't really take them well and you have to shown other ways.

[silent storm]

See snarky

[subtle bluff]

Go put your LMG and Rifle up on the DPS calculator and see.

[silent storm]

If you have a better gun don't be snarky, post it

[subtle bluff]

If you want me to put a build and compare the DPS I can do

[silent storm]

Want me to post my entire build so you can 1-1 test it?

[subtle bluff]

Not being snarky.

AGAIN you're not reading.....

THIS

In the pinned

Uses in-game numbers to To calculate your DPS.

[silent storm]

Which is math and has no bearing on real life

Yes it tells you the max you can do

That's it

[subtle bluff]

LOL you didn't even read it.

HOLD on.. what is DPS?

[silent storm]

The game isn't sitting in the shooting range

[cloud laurel]

Yep even raid requires this setup but once striker got buffed. HE is not worthy anymore

[subtle bluff]

Tell what does DPS mean?

[cloud laurel]

DPS dmg per sec

[cerulean smelt]

whatever world you live must suck

[cloud laurel]

lol ok

[subtle bluff]

I am asking him since he's question things and not understanding the question in the first place.

[cerulean smelt]

yeah and trindy is saying HE isn't worth anything anymore especially for raids
ran dark hours in highend gear so i know it's possible to keep up with them in there with gear sets so like i said they're world must suck if highends has nothing anymore
so you run 6 gearsets losing out on 2 attributes?

[cloud laurel]

You can literally stack striker in any boss fight in DH, did u know that?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, but you can still run high end and not worry about stacks as well, did you know that?

[cloud laurel]

HE are the best before striker got buffed so yeah my world is really suck lol

[subtle bluff]

HE is still suggest for FTC to raids tbh because they don't need to be focusing on DPS and stuff and if they do they just do good dmg off the bat.

I don't disagree strikers works well and peaks better.

[cloud laurel]

Okay, let make a challenge. Bring your HE and we run LEG and see who do the most dmg?

[silent storm]

And I'll be honest with you my TS build isn't even the max I want yet because I want a good 249 with Frenzy to try that out over Killer. I feel like Frenzy would be really nice.

[cloud laurel]

My ign also same here, don’t be shy since u guys like to do your math and homework and im open to challenge your HE and why it isn’t worthy.

[subtle bluff]

With in one mag HE after 2 Strikers.

[subtle bluff]

Solo Zoo leggo no modifiers and tell us your time.

[cloud laurel]

Sure, w/e and let’s go just don’t talk without action it’s boring

[cerulean smelt]

so what's your 2 or 1 other pieces you wear with your strikers? or you all 6 strikers? 4 strikers and 2 other gearset?

[cloud laurel]

Solo leg zoo lol

[subtle bluff]

Did my way but you'll say excuse about it. It's how use TS.

[silent storm]

I beat the croc room. Lost in boss room

He snuck me and I was so mad about it lol

[subtle bluff]

https://youtu.be/g8V3HYXFk90?si=n2LiZ0xBWfIE8RoR

[cloud laurel]

lol yeah I’m using 6 striker 😉

[gentle lichen]

Oh yeah classified striker

[cloud laurel]

It’s funny when I asked for a challenge, u also brought how you can solo leg zoo and such. Solo leg isn’t hard if you memorized all the spawn and you can stop enemy at the spawn make thing less hassle. U act like solo is everything and not accept dua challenge with me

[silent storm]

I saw that, dude swaps so many times he has way more good gear than I. I started farming the end credits

[cloud laurel]

Oh please make a video when we dua run leg challenge okay?

[subtle bluff]

I said raids.

[cloud laurel]

I’m in game right now, what time can u dua challenge leg with me?

[silent storm]

People don't understand Constant DMG vs Ramp DMG and it shows

[obtuse crystal]

You only want he on raids and imo only iron horse because you can usually stack mid fight or before it on dark hours

[subtle bluff]

Burst from zero to peak DPS but more or less.

[obtuse crystal]

And you can’t stack well on iron horse due to how it works

[silent storm]

A good HE build will always be a good HE build

[subtle bluff]

Wrong context here rowdy...

[silent storm]

Maybe but whatever

[subtle bluff]

you're the one interjecting into another conversation....

[verbal gust]

I like muffins who else likes muffins?

[cerulean smelt]

i got a muffin top is that the same?

[subtle bluff]

Give

[verbal gust]

That’s a quarter muffin! Or is it half?

[obtuse crystal]

Muffins are tasty

[verbal gust]

Yes they are I like blueberry muffins and chocolate chip muffins they are good

[gentle lichen]

What's a muffin

[obtuse crystal]

Do you seriously not know what a muffin is

[gentle lichen]

I just looked it up i always called it a small cake

[obtuse crystal]

But wouldn’t that just be a cupcake then

[gentle lichen]

Oh yeah that's the word

My brain isn't braining rn

[obtuse crystal]

Cupcakes and muffins are different

Not alot different but not the same

[gentle lichen]

They're all getting munched on regardless

[subtle bluff]

Okies... We stop here on this...

[silent storm]

Is Festive Delivery Mad Bomber Sledgehammer a build?

And does the Festive Delivery debuff activate Perfect Sledgehammer on the 2 others?

[cerulean smelt]

not sure why it'd stop it from working all together. you hit with a grenade all will take place at once

[silent storm]

That could be a mad build right?

Explosive Skill Build with those 3 talents? BFB and Seekers

Maybe Mortars

Mortars and BFB with Mad Bomber

Picking up Grenades like Special Ammo

[cerulean smelt]

been tempted for this season to make something like that. considering that passive modifier where grenades goes poof and we get higher radius

[silent storm]

Is First Sight a good AR with the HSD bonus?

[cerulean smelt]

not really, but give i a shot maybe you can find a build for it

[silent storm]

Just got 2 of them one with DtTooC and CHC

I mean it's an AK they are good

[cerulean smelt]

i personally think it can be a placeholder until you manage your legendary summit run drop for the bighorn but that's just me

[silent storm]

I already have the Bighorn

So it's just a named Bighorn then?

[cerulean smelt]

omg......

[subtle bluff]

Leave him alone with his thoughts.

[cerulean smelt]

no, my omg is for something else

gonna try and clip it

[silent storm]

IDK I am going to try it. Seems like a fun Striker gun

I think this one is the winner to keep an crush all others

[cerulean smelt]

not heartbreaker? where headshots for pulsing?

[silent storm]

I am in my TS build ATM

Was just trying to slim down the invo

And since this gun is new to me I think I will try that instead of Striker since you mentioned it

Should I put Flatline on it?

That actually sounds pretty monstrous.

Vigilance and Perfect Glass Cannon?>

So Fenris backpack with Vigilance and Perfect Glass Cannon. Heartbreaker build

[hexed steppe]

no

[silent storm]

Why

[hexed steppe]

use hb chest, ceska vig

[silent storm]

HB what talent?

[hexed steppe]

hb, heartbreaker is crit starved

heartbreaker chest is superior

glass on ts , nego , highend is better

[silent storm]

HB chest ohhh, I thought Haps guard for some reason and was like

[hexed steppe]

nah

it doubles stacks for free basically

[silent storm]

So HB chest with Vigi back

second HE item then?

Overdogs

[hexed steppe]

yeah, ceska is ideal for bag. honestly i would coyote or overdogs at this point

[silent storm]

Knees?

[hexed steppe]

all alse would be hb. bag is he. glove or chest is likely exotic

if doing 2x highend then its ceska-grupo

with hb also using shield a lot i could see coyote being pretty good. especially if proccing close buff a lot . not necessarily better than dogs, but still acceptable

[silent storm]

Best build? Ceska back Vigi and Coyote?

[hexed steppe]

yeah. personally i used to use memento a lot with hb, then ceska off piece. tech class anyways for laser then memento for 2 more shield tiers and artificer for free repair every 10 sec

meta would likely be ceska vigilance/overdogs since free amp is free amp

mess with it a bit

[silent storm]

Overdogs are so good

[subtle bluff]

Memento is really strong.

[hexed steppe]

yeah ik. i gotta keep stashing mine every time i swap alts

[silent storm]

Momento takes so long to build though \

[solar sable]

can you not flex your 4x Mortar build for a bit 😠

(off topic)

[hexed steppe]

i been using memento a lot on ts recently, with pesti.

ts fixes pretty much any crit lack so it kinda works

[hexed steppe]

shd exposed had mortar hitting in the 25mil range 😎

[silent storm]

Momento on TS?

[hexed steppe]

yeah, im not worried about building weird at times

[silent storm]

But the back is the ramp

is momento ramp better than back ramp?

[hexed steppe]

pesti uses wd for ticks. memento can give me 30-60% wd on top of the 15% core

[silent storm]

ahh for pesti

[hexed steppe]

plus all the other stuff

[silent storm]

yeah TS back doesn't work for that

[hexed steppe]

its definitely a trade, but not a huge loss or anything

[silent storm]

Why not just go Backbone then?

[hexed steppe]

nah, im not farming that XD

[silent storm]

That is what I used when I did TS Pesti

I got so many of them lol

[hexed steppe]

maybe if i get the blueprint ill craft the shit out of them, but im not too worried. ill vigilance and frontload the damage if anything

[silent storm]

Backbone has a BP?

[gloomy spruce]

It can be acquired from reconstructed caches

[hexed steppe]

i found i had a memento and no builds that used it... had to start incorporating it into a few since memento was my 1st 😍 , even before nego or mortar

[gloomy spruce]

I have the blue print for it.

[hexed steppe]

nice

[silent storm]

Yeah it doesn't show up in my crafting table

[gloomy spruce]

At one point, I just started farming them(reconstructed caches) for a month in descent. Having the blueprints for everything changes the game.

[silent storm]

Makes it like D1

[hexed steppe]

i still havent touched descent

[silent storm]

I have done a bit of it but never got deep into it

[hexed steppe]

the rollout killed it for me , i was just nah

[silent storm]

Honestly I just came back here to D2 when I heard Survival is coming

[hexed steppe]

do you have a nego build yet

[gloomy spruce]

With retaliation, you really don't need to do it as much anymore.

I kinda like doing descent, because it can be relaxing solo

[hexed steppe]

yeah i been hammering retaliations when i can

[silent storm]

Do you get those BPs from retaliation?

[hexed steppe]

you can get the reconstructed caches

[silent storm]

Because I have had a few time out recently

[gloomy spruce]

You can trade your materials for broken watches to make reconstructed caches

[silent storm]

I just don't do them really

[hexed steppe]

its kinda easymode. ngl. just gotta rush a bunch of cp

[silent storm]

Yeah

Did a few and was just ehh

[hexed steppe]

have you went to the crafting bench since, you unlock exo blueprints as well

[silent storm]

What are exo BPs?

[gloomy spruce]

@silent storm Here is my crafting bench screen for the backbone and others

[gloomy spruce]

Memento, ninjabike, acosta's go bag, etc

[hexed steppe]

im still salty there no overdogs in there.

[silent storm]

This is mine

[gloomy spruce]

So you have gotten a few

[hexed steppe]

that setup tho

sleeper blueprint

[silent storm]

Is that where those named come from?

[hexed steppe]

setup was from a controlpoint

same with closer

chest

[gloomy spruce]

Likely or some were released into the control points blueprint loot pool

The devs are trying to make some named item blueprints more available

[silent storm]

What's up with the Setup?

[gloomy spruce]

Getting a perfect setup or courier is a tough farm

[gloomy spruce]

Perfectly opportunistic

[silent storm]

Kinda garbage

[gloomy spruce]

It is great for support builds. Throw it on a healer build and everyone in your team gets a 15% damage amp.

One of the most powerful support items in the game

[silent storm]

On top of FI amp?

[gloomy spruce]

Yep

[silent storm]

well then

I think I was told this already

[hexed steppe]

or for hazpro eclipse

countdown setup

i imagine it can fit anywhere youre maining scorpio in a team buffing type of setup

[silent storm]

I have been using this as a makeshift healer/DPS build in Heroic Legendary

[subtle bluff]

You've been shown a lot of stuff...

[silent storm]

Yeah Scorpio has unlimited range and I still haven't used it because I didn't have The Setup I needed I think and here I am with the BP lol

Thanks for telling me to check the table

Maybe I will start doing more Retaliations

[hexed steppe]

definitely worth

i just hit up mm groups at the end of a mission or get grandson to carry me through retaliations

groups usually down to roll

[silent storm]

You gotta understand though this game has so much to do, I know you guys have been playing it though so don't understand how much there is to someone just coming back. I am a gear hog and look for the best of the best and will do something that offers it for as long as it takes.

Since I have came back a little over a month ago I have built like 5 kits that people here want

Or said were great

TS was my favorite addition to the loadouts

Capacitor as well that transformed my skill builds

I still don't understand the armor core builds though

[gloomy spruce]

They are mostly for PvP and are a different type of support concept.

[silent storm]

All red All yellow

I still have one shield build in my loadouts that was 4 blue two yellow

And I would like to revisit that because I named it DZ build

But what I was doing back in 2022 is anyones guess lol

[gloomy spruce]

Fredrick Thylander decided to punish the year 1 "do everything build". The new gear system reflects that. It is simplified severely from how it used to be.

A lot of people may at some point return. The first season after Wony was a disasterpiece theatre.

We had covid lockdowns, a new gear system, devs releasing a mostly untested update, financial restrictions from a CLO collapse, etc

[silent storm]

I think after my buddies and I beat WoNY we left to Destiny again

[gloomy spruce]

If it wasn't that, it was the fallout from the Turret Rollbacks

[silent storm]

I remember that

[gloomy spruce]

There was also the connectivity issues and rubberbanding with server client hell

[silent storm]

Turrets used to be mad

My Skill build was doing Max Stacks Striker DMG

[gloomy spruce]

I was referring to people using the turret exploit by getting on a turret and ramping up their damage to ridiculous degrees.

People had their accounts rolled back after being suspended

[silent storm]

We used to farm the CP that you set up on top and shoot into the hole with 4 turrets

[gloomy spruce]

I think you can still do that. You can't just get on a mounted turret to get infinite damage buffs.

Thankfully, I had personal problems during the initial rollout of WONY and still had the dlc preordered. I got the enforcer and never got peer pressured into using the exploit.

After that tho, the devs decided to ease a bit up on the difficulty and allow some needed power creep.

[silent storm]

Quickstep was the CP

Just checked to make sure

nm I'm and idiot

Sleeping Giant

Quickstep was the gun I equipped to run faster and was like when you ctrl c then ctrl c again

Sleeping Giant CP used to be a daily turret fest for us

Kill it reset

[cerulean smelt]

what they're talking about is you get near that mounted gun, do something before you mount on it and then you get off the mounted gun. you'd do damage as if you were still on that mounted gun. as long as you dont' disconnect or fast travel you'd be OP

[silent storm]

Then they released Tipping Scales which basically does the same thing

[cerulean smelt]

it doesn't

[gloomy spruce]

Its fine. Sometimes it is better to have no idea about the past at all. I am just glad we are in a state in the game where most higher level players are starting to feel a bit too powerful(power fantasy) instead of living in the opposite(a powerless humiliation conga)

[cerulean smelt]

oh i know, just trying to clarify to rowdy since they don't get it

[silent storm]

I do feel like some things are stronger though

I'm not even 1000 SHD yet and I still have mission runs where I post top if not close to top DMG

And this is against 1000+ SHD people

And honestly I have only been farming a month and unicorns I think are just what lazy people call their lack of wanting to farm

Anyone want to farm?

[subtle bluff]

If we're not talking about build can you move this stuff in another channel?

[silent storm]

I wish BTSU Datagloves could work with the Ninja Backpack

[rich cosmos]

I mean even if that worked that would be a bad combo

Because you are missing out on the talent of the backpack

[silent storm]

You don't need the BP talent when your repairs make your team invincible.

[obtuse crystal]

Not how it works you can’t restore your teams health gate

So technically can still die while in a hive

And the debuff of oppo is nice to have

[silent storm]

OK, what is the "Health Gate"?

[cerulean smelt]

get a buddy, use advanced material then pop it throw hive out and see if your buddy stays alive through the on slaught

[obtuse crystal]

Every 30 seconds when you reach 1 health you become immune for like a second or two mainly exists so you don’t get one tapped by snipers

[subtle bluff]

Health Gate/1 Shot Protection

[obtuse crystal]

Here’s a video from ikia explaining it https://youtu.be/RSmmvLqP35M?si=NWuf16wU8mgUNw-W

[subtle bluff]

Raucey has a shorter version of it

[silent storm]

But what does that have to do with massive healing skill?

[subtle bluff]

Player can get 1 shot if they don't have it up.

[obtuse crystal]

I was talking about making your team invincible you just can’t do that no matter how much you heal

[silent storm]

Well then that player should have payed attention

[subtle bluff]

Uh?

[shy willow]

😑

[silent storm]

It is not the healers fault if you die so much this applies to you

[subtle bluff]

Wild...

so switch is it?

[solar sable]

how tf does that even make sense? do you know what nbb does?

[cerulean smelt]

#td2-build-advice message
you're the one talkinga bout using BTSU to make your team invincible and they're just educating you on how healing works in game

[silent storm]

I was just doing math and looking at the biggest repair skill I could get

[subtle bluff]

Uh sorry?

[obtuse crystal]

Isn’t safeguard 130%

[subtle bluff]

Put down the math read other things

[silent storm]

Yeah but with GS and ninja you could go higher

[cerulean smelt]

watch some good youtube videos like ikia and raucey on these mechanics

[subtle bluff]

You right time to fix that too

[silent storm]

But you can't because of exotic limitations

[subtle bluff]

GS?

[cerulean smelt]

and you lose out on the one backpack talent that either A:lets your team do damage or B:anotehr talent that would help yoru healing

[cerulean smelt]

gearscore maybe?
gearset really

[silent storm]

Brandset

GS is BS

[subtle bluff]

how is GS brandset?

[silent storm]

same difference

[subtle bluff]

No...

[solar sable]

guzina setica

[silent storm]

Kinda yea

[subtle bluff]

Kind of really no.

[silent storm]

GS and BS are basically the same thing

[cerulean smelt]

🍿 anyone?

[subtle bluff]

Your in your own delusional world believe in what things are...

[solar sable]

yes please

[silent storm]

It's how you mix them that makes the build

[subtle bluff]

Ok lets flip the script how much Repair Skill are you getting?

Math it up

[silent storm]

Well this whole thing was based on me wishing something that can't happen

[subtle bluff]

Because you don't know and just wish it does work that way.

[silent storm]

Yes because you can't use 2 exotic armor pieces

[subtle bluff]

This game as been here for awhile and there's been enough players that figure out most things and have shared with everyone.

You've just don't care to read any of it.

[subtle bluff]

stay on topic

[solar sable]

stop with the facts already u.u

[obtuse crystal]

The highest number you can get probably is 3 piece measured 3 piece shiny monkey with safeguard but then you lose Fi buff and you don’t need that much healing at all

[silent storm]

I said I wish the BTSU Datagloves could work with the Ninja Backpack

[cerulean smelt]

i honestly want to know how an invincible team he'd get using both btsu and ninja backpack

[cerulean smelt]

all i want to see is him putting whatever healing build he's cooking. get a buddy go into legendary and just take the beating because he's got an invinicble healing build

[subtle bluff]

Or tell us the build that "math" out to the bieest repair skill?

Even if it with exotics.

[silent storm]

Well you can't do it

[subtle bluff]

Tell me the build

[silent storm]

The game doesn't allow it

[subtle bluff]

TELL ME THE BUILD

[obtuse crystal]

If it did what would it be

[silent storm]

I didn't think that deep into it

[subtle bluff]

You did the maht already

[solar sable]

then what math were you doing

[silent storm]

Yeah in my mind

[subtle bluff]

So are you just BS everyone then?

[solar sable]

if you don't have the build then what maths were you talking abt?

[subtle bluff]

And just gaslighting everyone?

[silent storm]

No it isn't BS it's thoughts

[subtle bluff]

Wow I used that word.. but you are doing that.

[subtle bluff]

But you said this..

[silent storm]

Yeah and one had like 52 and the other have like 48

[subtle bluff]

Repair Skill?

[silent storm]

then I can game on amp some more

[subtle bluff]

Fill in the rest.
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/AwWl7SOreAuArI2BGSqDMMICY5Tw4HGnzqoUyLqklhH13OPNMmvs6dvQ9eEEvBsOBA

[obtuse crystal]

The highest number I could come up with 362% repair skills if I did all my math right

[subtle bluff]

We're talking about repair skill not amp

[silent storm]

Why do you guys put so much effort into shooting down everything I say?

[subtle bluff]

Because you put the same effort into gaslighting everyone here.

unless you don't and just say things with no thought.

[silent storm]

well because I am just saying things and you guys are secretly building my kits

[subtle bluff]

Again gaslighting

[silent storm]

You know I have some good gear, and some good kits

[solar sable]

bruh you were the one talking abt maths and didn't have a build in mind, so what were you based off of?

[silent storm]

and I think you secretly hate it and are mad thatr it works

[rich cosmos]

Does tardigrade need a buff? I feel like it isn’t helpful outside of raids

[subtle bluff]

Says your question of asking things here otherwise

[obtuse crystal]

What is your kits anyways so I can delete whatever build is close to it

[cerulean smelt]

probably honestly

[subtle bluff]

It's only help in groups when it's needed. It's like most blue stuff.

[solar sable]

what was its talent again? lol

[cerulean smelt]

lol

[rich cosmos]

Its basically unbreakable but with bonus armor and for teammates too

[cerulean smelt]

exotic unbreakable where you kill with spec weapon resets it's cooldown

[solar sable]

hmm maybe it does indeed

[subtle bluff]

I've said this enough and will keep saying it.
Almost anything viable up to Heroic in Solo play, doesn't mean it's good.

[rich cosmos]

If it wasn’t a chest talent it would probably be fine but it is

[silent storm]

Unlike MrChow who needs multiple kits to beat a mission I have almost beat Legendary Zoo with 1 kit

[subtle bluff]

Who says that?

Again gaslighting

[silent storm]

you posted that video right?

is that not you?

[cerulean smelt]

i guess we should notify raucey he's using Rowdy's kithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSLySCNBwKg&t=224s

[solar sable]

brother wth is this about 🙏

[cerulean smelt]

so play legendary zoo with your 1 kit and post it

[silent storm]

This goes back a few weeks

[obtuse crystal]

No this is way better than rowdy’s builds

[silent storm]

I am working on it

[cerulean smelt]

rowdy trying to reinvent the wheels that has already been done

[silent storm]

Got to boss room and Boss snuck me

[subtle bluff]

You post a video of you doing it but here...
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/AwWl7SOreAuArI2BGSqDMMICY5Tw4HGnzqoUyLqklhH13OPNMmvs6dvQ9eEEvBsOBA

[solar sable]

lmaoooo

[cerulean smelt]

so gas lighting us saying you've done zoo iwht 1 kit but "working on it" good one

[rich cosmos]

I mean being able to complete an activity doesn’t mean its good

[silent storm]

That mission is hard dude

[solar sable]

no one said it wasn't

[cerulean smelt]

again gaslighting us
#td2-build-advice message

[silent storm]

Yeah

Watch the video he has like 4 kits for all different stages

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i've seen it before. i find it amazing to be able to do that with zoo. he's carried me through my first run telling what i can and can't do in places

[silent storm]

The origional bet was my Baker's Dozen build

Well that ain't working

So I am looking for the one build that does it

[obtuse crystal]

Wait people actually use that weapon

[silent storm]

I do it's awesome

[cerulean smelt]

btw: try merciless on them mini hounds XD

[obtuse crystal]

Rather just use od rifle or he with boomerang if he and sadist If it’s od

[silent storm]

The bet was no shield all red legendary zoo

[cerulean smelt]

i think that bet was directed at someone else and they chose DUA

[silent storm]

I got to the boss room only ting I changed was skills

Naa ask MrChow about it

I will get it

I'm right there

[shy willow]

https://youtu.be/bNtU3BIEkhM

Obligatory viable build reminder

[obtuse crystal]

That’s not only viable that’s meta tbh

[rich cosmos]

I don’t see whats wrong, thats a meta build

[shy willow]

Most egregious tactics available

[rich cosmos]

Yea

All builds are viable by the base definition of it but that doesn’t mean you should use it

Like I could use strikers without the backpack and all blue cores

Should I? Probably not

[cerulean smelt]

yes you should with proof the build is good and show it to people (> <)

[stoic falcon]

Best build ever

[woeful zodiac]

Is Nimble holster, Scorpio and Hunter's Fury good as a build against the Houndsman or any other Hunter?

[subtle bluff]

Using HF BP does nothing against Bossses.

[woeful zodiac]

I have nothing for the BP slot so u recommend how i should set the build against that mf

[subtle bluff]

More DPS

[woeful zodiac]

Ok?

Gun Slot:
P- Lexington
S- Scorpio
Pistol- The Harvest

Gear Slot:
4x HF
Nimble holster
Everyday Carrier (Chestpiece)

@subtle bluff as u said, HF BP does not do anything

So pls, try to improve it

[woeful zodiac]

But I need Nimble Holster for armor regen

[subtle bluff]

HF does that

[woeful zodiac]

And Reviver Hive incase I get downed

[woeful zodiac]

ITS DOES???

And does Scorpio do anything against Houndsman

Because it looks like he just walks it off

[subtle bluff]

Idk tbh I haven't done him yet. Doing it quickly now

[onyx sage]

scorpio doesn't do anything

well the only thing it does is the 20% damage taken debuff at 9 stacks

[cerulean smelt]

he's resistent to pretty much everything you try status wise, explosive wise, skill wise

[mild dawn]

i've yet to meet one who resists bullet, equip pgc overdogs and activate zealot

[cerulean smelt]

nods saw videos of that and i'm like 🤦‍♂️ why didn't i think of that?! i just used pestilence

[subtle bluff]

Ya that was easy... Just shoot him

Feel like a derp didn't go look AT the what bounties I had I thought it would pop like the others that aren't part of this event.....

[verbal gust]

Not as derp as I, went too kill him with my status build and did no damage.

[subtle bluff]

Kill him was easy.

[weary badger]

Yeah i tried lighting him on fire. No reaction. He shrugged it off like it was nothing. Pestilence barely did sum too.

And i mean he shrugged it off. He didnt even get lit on fire.

[woeful zodiac]

SEE?

THAT MF NEEDS TO BE NERFED

IT'S TOO STRONG FOR A REGULAR HUNTER LIKE THE ONE IN BROOKLYN

[weary badger]

i did try oxidizer. didnt do much either. and i used a full skill build for that.

hes hella fast too so granted he prolly avoided it.

[patent fossil]

Yeah oxi only works when you have enemies trapped in place. Bullets are the best thing for the Houndsman

[rotund hearth]

Houndsman Bounty: I use Tipping Scales with Bullet King, and activate Zealot. Wipes him pretty quickly.

[weary badger]

still no reason for him to straight up not get caught on fire.

istfg if this guy cant get lit by the flamethrower😭

[patent fossil]

He's immune to all status effects. Foam, fire, blind, shock etc.

[woeful zodiac]

Awww dang it 🙁

[weary badger]

😭

[hexed steppe]

Adapt and overcome.

zealot + dps allows for comically quick wipe of houndsman.
Personally I just nego since its target rich environment with all the mini warhounds

[weary badger]

fair but still.

(tf is zealot btw)

[wraith zealot]

best modifier

[weary badger]

i see

[wraith zealot]

find it in your modifier, equip your best dps set, you'll kill him 10 out of 10 tries

[buoyant perch]

You may have to level zealot up. I'm not sure how useful lv1 zealot is.

[weary badger]

got it

[buoyant perch]

Striker with chest and backpack, overdog, ceska and blast him with acs12

[weary badger]

ceska?

[buoyant perch]

It's a brand that gives 10% crit chance

[weary badger]

ah

[buoyant perch]

Because you only have 1 week to farm houndsman, you may not have enough time to farm a build before he's gone. How about teamming with other people? Matchmake?

[weary badger]

i already did him but maybe. im sure i got some items laying around for the build.

[buoyant perch]

It's the zealot level up that I'm more concerned about. That could take a while.

[buoyant perch]

Look at the target, you can see the pesti stack building up

[agile citrus]

ticks start at 80 ish, then go to 350 ish

OH so the pesti has a dmg stack too? Im new to pestiu, dont know

[buoyant perch]

Yeah

[lament reef]

yeah that’s what the bar under it means

[agile citrus]

I thought that was time counter ok

[lament reef]

nah the pesti icon itself vanishes as the time expires

[agile citrus]

there is a slight inconsistency. I need to test it tho. brb

the inconsistency is this blue notation

nope never mind, the blue is just a different color. thanks for the info!

something alters it minutely, but no idea. could be armor dmg, enemy value, no idea

[broken edge]

blue damage is armor damage

if your weapon has armor damage or health damage you might see that number changing when armor breaks

it oddly affects dots as well

[agile citrus]

so the weapon has dooc, reload and dmg

this was done with the same set, same build, same weapon, and thhe enemy group in shooting range, using chat stamp. both were taken, at full pesti, but with different striekr amounts. Im going to put one more test in, but Im not sure this 10k difff is super important

[broken edge]

what about other gear, like gloves with damage to armor or something?

[agile citrus]

so. I tested it again, this time I abused the unlimited hp 5 meter. then swapped to the group, forceing the stack to conclude. the dmg was the first blue ss. then I maxed striker, and did it again, this time, the sec number happened. neither were blue this time, so armor isnt the value. its just an inconsistency

oh well, but striker didnt affect the result, as the number went down at full stacks

in all likely hood if I was making a bet on my past experience with game stack mechanics, whats happening is in one instance when I swap the last tick doesnt register, but the other one does, and thats why the tick is only 10k

[winged prism]

anyone have anything theyd change here (ignore backpack not having a good roll ill get around to it)

[woeful zodiac]

@subtle bluff thank u for ze reference

[buoyant perch]

it's good, as meta as it gets

[woeful zodiac]

Matador with 3x HF and Zero F's with Nimble Holster and Chatterbox worked a bit better

[winged prism]

nice, way too bored of having no healer

[zinc plaza]

Does Health Regenerate help in any way? I’ve tried some builds with what I have. Which is not the best and I’m get taken out with two hits.

[rich cosmos]

Never use the armor regen attribute, its too low to be helpful, armor regen builds usually aren’t a great idea because you probably are lacking in another area

If you are trying to throw it onto a build for survivability theres a bunch of options instead like unbreakable, nimble holster, exodus gloves, umbra initiative

[broken edge]

if you mean the actual health stat, not much

might work in some PVP scenarios

[hexed steppe]

I would use tech class till you get the backpack sorted, otherwise looks good.

[shy willow]

It's mostly because you generally don't need one outside of content where getting pummeled is unavoidable

Imo I'd rather take an eclipse build for support

[winged prism]

thats exactly what i mean lol

so many times i queue for incursion and its 4x dps

[shy willow]

Even in the incursion you don't really need a healer I'd say up until wright/lovebirds

Having an extra gun helps a bunch on tanker

[magic pilot]

Nah dth applies in PvP now

[zinc plaza]

Thank you. So, is there a specific way to get those to drop with good stats? Because, most of what I have drop for me are terrible with high percentages and others are good and drop with low percentages in the single digits.

[rich cosmos]

Higher difficulty

Go to countdown on challenging, select targeted loot for what you want

[cerulean smelt]

isn't health regeneration a hunter's fury thing though? unless they meant armor regen?

[zinc plaza]

Is that a PvP encounter? I’m not good with PvP. Also, does changing the map difficulty help?

[cerulean smelt]

no it's purely PvE
to right hand DC map corner you should see 2 icons that are next to each other, both are the same map, but one is for 8 players to play while the other is for 4 players

[woeful zodiac]

3x pc HF
10% AoK
10% HoK

[magic pilot]

Firewall and HF

[cerulean smelt]

nods thought saw, but was like trying to make sure they didn't meant armor regen in general as that's about the only thing all our gear to roll into stats wise far as i can remember anyways

[cerulean smelt]

oh right, keep forgetting firewall has that as well

when i think of firewall all my mind goes to is the shield 😹

[zinc plaza]

Thank you very much for help and advice.

[magic pilot]

It got nerfed somewhat recently too, which is the only change to specialization we've had in years

[cerulean smelt]

was it the shield portion that got nerfed?

[magic pilot]

No the health on kill lol

[cerulean smelt]

lmao

must've been nerfed for pvp?

[gentle lichen]

I'm so mad rn

Just thinking about using reg and not being able to run anymore cause of anyone that uses quickstep :(

[nocturne edge]

just for shenanigan reasons, what and how do i get the highest amount of status effect percentage? so far i managed get to 123% and supposedly you can go up to 150% but don't know what other combinations that could boost it

[magic pilot]

Exuro? Is this for burn?

[magic pilot]

I managed to get 143% after some quick testing

[nocturne edge]

im not focusing for anything, just specfically for status effect percentage in general, i know certain gear sets enhance burn or bleed but this one is just for a bit

[hexed steppe]

Use perpetuation on a weapon

[gentle lichen]

Artificer too on your fire chem

[hexed steppe]

I mean burn is the only status worth speccing into. I get that this is a practice in just hitting highest status, but with double dipping of status and skill damage youll see a lot higher burn when you stack both

[nocturne edge]

noted, like i said this is just to see how far i can push it considering theres no max limit on it and i did the same thing on skill haste one time and kept spamming jammer every 5-10 seconds lol

[hexed steppe]

Memento houses a possible 30-60% status effects from the short and long buff skill efficiency. Not sure how much ninja is unlocking but its an option to consider.

[nocturne edge]

i just did the math in my head with memento and you could potentially hit 130% to 160%....wtf lol

[subtle bluff]

honestly kind pointless idea when AMP beat out line numbers.

[nocturne edge]

AMP?

[subtle bluff]

Yes amp.

[nocturne edge]

what that is?

[subtle bluff]

talents

[nocturne edge]

ah that

ampliflied. yes

[subtle bluff]

All Damage in div2 isn't just one number that changes it all

I only have WD but the same if you flip some of it to skills is the same.
BASE WD x (AWD+SWD) x (CHD+HSD) x TWD x DTA/DTH x DTTooC x AMP x AMP x AMPs

Highest DOT ticks you can get out of a build is this:

highest while being viable

[nocturne edge]

anyway, found a way to achieve 150% status effect percentage lol
base armor with brand sets 93%
memento short term buff brings it to 123%
and long term buff at max brings it ~153%
the weapon with Perfect Perpetuation adds 75% so technically the potential max total would be ~228% but its a bit of a long shot for consistency, hell for ANY consistency haha
...
so yeah, now i know its possible to reach that number lol

[nocturne edge]

btw thank you localdeck for the suggesting memento lol

[subtle bluff]

Strikers doesn't toward Pesti

[rich lotus]

Is dark winter the best smg for non exotic or will the banshee with optimist out perform it

[onyx sage]

smg-9 with measured is best overall, dark winter is strong if you can consistently keep talent up, banshee is pretty bad right now no matter what talent

[rich lotus]

Thank you

[stark pike]

Quickstep is so much fun!

Also still leveling my specials gotten to firewall, ngl vibing with the talents in this one

[agile citrus]

a theortical attempt to make strega usefull

[hexed steppe]

Anytime. I used to have a lot of fun running memento on fire eclipse for the same reason, double dipping the status and skill damage. It was kinda break even damage wise compared to ep bag, but all that extra survivability let me kinda play like a maniac way back then.. now im all mortar or bust

[subtle bluff]

Foxes isn't BiS and using Striker Chest isn't worth has well as Oblirate Chest.

[delicate basin]

Should i be looking at normalized stats or regular damage stats to compare stuff

[subtle bluff]

Your Crit stats are very low. They should look more like this.
And I know Strega is only 5% CHC and CHD.

[subtle bluff]

Normalized just doesn't add the build into the stats. If that makes sense.

[agile citrus]

For context I should say, 1 clip of unnamed acs12 fills striker to max. this has been consistent several fights. also following this both 93r and strega can successfully maintain max striker for the duration of my combat.

Im considering options for acs12s ability, but for the moment the all red is something I tend to compensate for, specially with my in the face combat style. the strage hits for 1.4m without any help aside from its self, but I don't know its max number

max is 1.674. no memento

[subtle bluff]

Even them it's hard to keep up the stacks. Striker Chest w/o BP is actually much on par with Obliterate but for more work. Since it's only getting 130%

[subtle bluff]

In context too acs12 is 8 pellets x 20rds is 160 stack of you it all. It isn't max close but also accuracy of acs12 is bad.

[subtle bluff]

Damage could be much higher with Strega.

[agile citrus]

I don't know if this changes your approach but only offering explantion. my Acs12 is outfited with dual accuracy mods

[subtle bluff]

It helps. I know how acs12 works with stacks very well.

I have too many incursion runs.

[agile citrus]

I will also say, my combo into this is empty asc12 clip, then change to 93r, kill then hard swap to strega. I am considering the potential of 93r changing to swap speed. but that will be an annoying investment to lil bonus, as I personaly cant craft 93r, or coulndt

[subtle bluff]

Not the same build by any means but what happens when you have good Crit stats.

[agile citrus]

Im assuming this is crit rate, not dmg

[subtle bluff]

Both

CHC and CHD are fairly high

[agile citrus]

cham has very good RoT, but 800k is lower by far from stregas

[subtle bluff]

Foxes you lose a lot to it

Let find a strega

[agile citrus]

it also didnt use hs, so is your build not compensating for +15% cham hs stack?

[subtle bluff]

No.. Body shot is better buff first

Not the point. I have more video but there on youtube and I can post those

[stark pike]

Why is it always Linc mem people post to show build?

[subtle bluff]

Just quick to run

[agile citrus]

No issues, my question is if your showing crit showcase, I wanted to know the builds crit chance. as a good cham build imo, has 35%-40%

[subtle bluff]

52 I think it was

[stark pike]

I too believe you should account for procs in ur builds but a lot of people prefer consistent stats

[agile citrus]

I need to make a harris backpack real quick with vigil. it seems at some point I trashed my memento testing pack

[subtle bluff]

It's more of showcase of what a build can do. I have playlist of them because I think it's just a good reference for new players or player that want to see what the limits of some builds are.

[agile citrus]

this will do

max strega potential. for this build

[subtle bluff]

I already posted.

[agile citrus]

I want to point out, this is without 93rs coffin ability as the target was invulnerable. Id also like to point out under the use of coffin, I have 60% cc and about 120-30 crit dmg

I believe this adress the issue activly

[subtle bluff]

what about the pistol?

[agile citrus]

"finisher"

this used mods are 30% stability and 11 rounds, giving me 32 possible hs to end my target, at 120% hs

[agile citrus]

its RoF can maintain stiker

can I ask what this is showing? this is my dmg with none my amps outside of of 1 clip of acs

[subtle bluff]

How much the build does in combat

[subtle bluff]

Same could said about this..

and why aren't you just using

I was just trying give advice to your build to do more and a most consent level.

Strega yes can do some really good damage but it's stacks at max isn't up a lot due ads spawning over and over again.

[agile citrus]

What Im asking, is if my damage is equal to your for the same investment what yours is more effective for.

you only get 5% cc, Im already hitting 60% and you get 10% more cd (good) and I like 93r. its ez to use, fun and does a good job if your aim isnt on point

[subtle bluff]

Is that the point I just showed in the video without having to use either ACS or Finsher?

[agile citrus]

I believe yours is good, but Im not sure its better. if you can show me how it outperforms that is welcome

[subtle bluff]

Being less work to keep stacks and swapping for kills

I'd rather use a different gun then Strega is the point.

[agile citrus]

yes and no, I dont use 93r to hit that, 93r puts my 1m at 1.2+ and I admit at times acs is annoying, but its good dmg and I only use it on 1 enemy. it fits my style as Im in their face 24/7

[subtle bluff]

The point I'm trying to make with your build and concept is that you are having to put so much effort into using a different pistol and pre building stacks with ACS that it's not worth it.

[agile citrus]

this is a good point, but Im fooling with things

[subtle bluff]

Just kill the ads quicker and get things cleared.

[agile citrus]

weapons in general that use "on kill" bonus imo arent as good as stack hits. but I was bored

besides... 2.7m crits are hot

imagine with fi, or setup or scorpio bonuss

[subtle bluff]

Don't have to imagine...

[agile citrus]

its a fun build. tbh, I forget seeker mine exists, but maybe one day Ill get bored enough to turn it into a tactical shooter option

I have no idea how. which is prob why I forget it exists

[subtle bluff]

To the point doing that in actually mission is rare due not many of ads up left with full 5 stacks.

[agile citrus]

it has the same weakness as memento, but with memento at least you can compensate with BH, cham, or some other high dmg meta option

BUT if everyone has strega.

not saying mming does this, but potential

[subtle bluff]

No because Memento has a long buff that stays on...

both BH and Cham aren't Meta weapons for general PvE

[agile citrus]

I was specifically refering to CD, with 8 players, this offers consistent results

[subtle bluff]

Context helps. Even then CD BH isn't great since there are things without Heads.

[agile citrus]

if other people enjoy elmo, or dark winter or whatever thats they're thing

[subtle bluff]

There really isn't a meta for CD.

[subtle bluff]

But you're mention Meta now...

[agile citrus]

Im offering options people use in everyday. the same as I use my bh

my bh isnt meta, unless it on a full hs build and in a mission with only h. incursion cough

[subtle bluff]

Soooo personal opinions or meta opinions... Which is it?

[agile citrus]

personal

[subtle bluff]

You keep switch it up...

Incursion meta is actually BF..

[agile citrus]

I specificaly said "other meta options" I tried to be concise

I didnt say bh or cham were meta

[subtle bluff]

concise.... (looks at the rest of the chat)

[agile citrus]

Anyway, we agree strega is not a top option.

in most cases

[magic pilot]

tbh if you are gonna use strega id go with HF

[subtle bluff]

I just made quick clip

[agile citrus]

what is hf pls? is this a set bonus?

[magic pilot]

also if you are only using ACS to stack, probably better running lefty with the accuracy mods since it can have a higher fire rate

[magic pilot]

exactly

[agile citrus]

I was using my dooc and brazen expertise 30, just cuz I was using as an alt option. I will conisder this. is a good point

soemtimes shotgunning is fun -_-

[cerulean smelt]

nice!

[subtle bluff]

I wonder if quickstep if I can make the videos small enough to post a full-ish one here.

[agile citrus]

I found a new use for it randomly which I think is actually.. real potential. if you kill lets say 1 enemies. a weapon swap get +15%, also its basically glass cannon effect for skills ect. "amp dmg" not wd

[cerulean smelt]

probably be rough, might even have to break in to half or 3's?

[winged prism]

i wish i had strega but i cba to farm it cause its one of the like 3 exotics i dont have

10 million caches

[subtle bluff]

Tbh you're not missing out much. That was the first time I've used really.

[winged prism]

yeah its more of a collect em all thing yk

[cerulean smelt]

was interesting wehn it first released but yeah it's in my stash mostly with a lot of other exotics

[winged prism]

idk why but i refuse to put any exotics that arent dupes in my stash

i feel like i have to have them on hand even though 80% arent getting touched

[cerulean smelt]

think capacitor and tempest are the exclusive weapon exotics i use in 2 different builds

[winged prism]

much to the detriment of my inventory

[cerulean smelt]

and now maybe merciless

[winged prism]

ive seen a couple people using it now, is it back from the dead or smth?

[cerulean smelt]

i feel it takes these out fairly quickly

[agile citrus]

its a decent gun. tbh Iv seen a lot of exos and more underused stuff recently. I think a lot of it is just the games released a lot of niches things and people are bored

elmo and all red stiker is really good, but at the end of the day its point and hold down left. I think also people are starting to realise specially in group play, div isnt that hrd, so all red striker elmos world is really overkill personal opinion

[cerulean smelt]

long time ago, merciless was used to wipe out hounds because it had an innate health damage built in somehow. so once you got your shots to make the explosion you'd see warhound disappear even though it had it's armor still

was also a good chunga killer in dark hours

[winged prism]

definitely agree, most of what ive done this season is just try any build thats more fun than the copy paste strikers

[cerulean smelt]

i was tired of strikers a long time ago and started to try and make unique builds i don't think i've seen yet
like i took inspiration off of localdeck's hybrid build but went the 3 palisade, 2 arca buz with memento and capacitor

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/KwNgtATGDMlwDGRympegXAFnCgjHHnrOqlKchiAOxyxRRblosVIah1gFu+vbgsiZn1HsswLmOkYI0AJxhw8gBzdgkvMFpbwWtRQzTW7Y4eAY8WE4ei4baIA
this is my current build, ideally i'd want all palisades with weapon damage

[hexed steppe]

If you want to use more than 2 braincells while you melt stuff, go negodogs. What's not to love about frontloaded damage

If you want to use a few more braincells go mortar.

I need to rebuild troll mode, specifically for when I get paired with determined hh builds

[hexed steppe]

Skilltier crit chance/skill damage tipping scales glass, memento, cap 🤔

Free chd

[cerulean smelt]

you won't be leaving anything for anyone else to kill with that set up 😹

[hexed steppe]

High doubt

I bet it stacks memento fast tho. I was using a janky measured assembly memento pesti the other day and easily stacked memento while grouped. Builds be getting worse even tho what's available has been epic

[cerulean smelt]

well, i didn't even fathom Cap + tipping scales so just seeing you list it out i'm like 🤯

so i feel, if you built that out right, you literally would leave nothing for anyone to kill in a group setting 😹

[hexed steppe]

I been kinda looking at ts as a crit stat stick more than striker rival that the majority probably viewed it as

Strega probably do good on it too

Its a bit starved

[lost wren]

how good is the shroud in comparison to the nemesis? is one better than the other or is it situation dependent

[cerulean smelt]

very situational if you ask me

[meager fog]

Shroud is capable one one tapping Rogues and Hunters.

As far as being better than a determined SR1/White Death build, not in the hands of the average agent, but its a very powerful weapon.

[lost wren]

oh i thought you'd use model 700 as the high end option for the standard determined build
did something change for sr1 and white death to be better? or are they all the same?

[meager fog]

White Death has the highest Headshot bonus of any MMR at +137%.

SR1 is a favourite for alot of people. There isn't much difference between all of them

[lost wren]

make sense

also i very recently just got overdogs gloves, how good is it and what builds should i slot it on, striker is the main pve setup i use so i'm curious if it can fit there but if not wherer else

[meager fog]

Overdogs is one of the strongest equipment pieces in the game for DPS builds tbh atm.

[lost wren]

woah

[meager fog]

This is what I use

You can make it stronger still by using Glass cannon, which pushes the damage to around 1.5m/round

[lost wren]

interesting
didn't expect it to be that strong

[meager fog]

Provided you learn and use the hierarchy system it puts out some insane damage.

Don't really lose much damage when overdogs isn't active over using Coyotes either so its just a straight buff

[lost wren]

would this be more so the legendary setup then if you were to take it there?

swaps ceska and striker piece around for striker chest and ceska mask

[meager fog]

Either way is fine, I dont personally use Strikers chest but I also rarely Lego with less than 3 people so getting those stacks is harder than just having an amp like GC or a buff like Obliterate which requires less stacking

[lost wren]

fair
but i guess i'll go try out overdogs then, i thought shroud would be cool but i guess i overlooked the top pick

[meager fog]

If you're soloing or in a duo Strikers chest would be far easier to maintain but with more than 2 I find it more irritating than anything trying to maintain above 150, nevermind 200.

[lost wren]

i don't have too many issues keeping up striker chest, though that's probably because i go 4 man in pub leggo so the enemies are very tanky

[meager fog]

Shroud is a good weapon, no mistaking that. Shroud with Overdogs in F100 Summit hunter room is insane.

Normally Overdogs and Shroud aren't recommended together but in that final room both are active all the time and the damage is wild

[lost wren]

i should get shroud it looks cool as hell, that's sort of why i wanted it initially

[meager fog]

If you're good with MMRs you can wipe all hunters in seconds.

[meager fog]

4 man pub yeah, I rarely pub lego because theres normally too many people just wanting to be carried and it gets frustrating, I only do organised groups 😀

[lost wren]

fair fair
usually the pubs i'm in hold their own weight surprisingly

[meager fog]

Maybe the general playerbase has improved, I haven't pubbed for a while outside of Calls for back up 🤣