td2-build-advice

[onyx sage]

the question right now i think both me and dansku have is ceska gc vs pgc

it all depends on what the current crit value is

gc vs pgc is just 4% difference (1.3/1.25 = 1.04)

if pgc's crit value is worse than ceska gc's crit value by more than 4%, ceska gc is better, but we need to look at both killer and non-killer

[mild dawn]

hard choice between 56 chc 115 chd or 57 chc 113 chd on my current pgc setup

[onyx sage]

just multiply them together and pick the one that gives bigger product

[mild dawn]

i see

[onyx sage]

57/113 is better assuming no other changes

if you have killer the difference will be bigger in favor of 57/113

[mild dawn]

yeah makes sense

[mild dawn]

alright so, too dumb to figure this out without physically staring at the gear, i had to get a ceska gc chest because i had none lol. got crit to 59/125 on that setup

[subtle bluff]

Buildstation.app
Maybe helpful

[tropic burrow]

im sorry guys can someone help me. whats the best lmg for tinkerer OD. I don't get the pinned spreadsheet.

[solar sable]

m249/mk46, mg5 & gr9

[tropic burrow]

thanks. the only thing i don't get it what's the difference between the m249 and mk46 they seem identical? or am i choosing the wrong one. I got a m249 b is there a just m249 without the b?

[subtle bluff]

There the same m249/mk46

Bad @solar sable confusing.

[solar sable]

I'll have to swap one comma to a slash next time 😔

[subtle bluff]

Also @hexed steppe not fair you can use that

[tropic burrow]

thanks a lot because ive been optimizing an mk46!

[mild dawn]

not sure if its me but, buildstation doesnt get the 1 piece bonus from ceska, so not very helpful

[subtle bluff]

Go over the number of CHC and you’ll see if it adds up.

It does.

[subtle bluff]

Go to share tab and share a SS from there

[mild dawn]

i was in calculator layout, doesnt work in there but game layout does work

[subtle bluff]

Calculator isn’t finished

[mild dawn]

yeah, me problem for wanting to use the option that had all on one page

[subtle bluff]

It's more or less one man dev team. I just support him and fix things.

[woeful zodiac]

Any guide on the best Huntsman or Lex (Flatline) build for the Army Terminal mission?

[meager fog]

Any specific reason you're wanting to use flatline?

[woeful zodiac]

For the Lexington, I already have that talent and I don't wanna change it

And pls dont recommend the striker gearset

[meager fog]

You can change the talent on the lexington as many times as you want...

[meager fog]

You want a build for a mission but don't want to be recommended what is by far the best build?

But sure.

If you absolutely insist on using flatline, my recommendation would be to use the Technicians laser pointer and go Heartbreaker.

[woeful zodiac]

Fine but what talent would u recommend?

[subtle bluff]

Most if not all DPS builds are generic and not specific to any weapon.

[woeful zodiac]

And what about Huntsman?

[meager fog]

Killer, with any crit build it's one of the strongest.

BUT if you really want to use flatline, it's great if you have the technicians laser pointer.

Just go full red Heartbreaker build and enjoy pulsing everything you aim at while constantly filling bonus armour

[subtle bluff]

Well it isn't constantly building bonus armor. Only on new stacks.

[meager fog]

whats the stack time?

I don't really use HB so i'm unsure of the finer deets

[woeful zodiac]

I already have the linked laser😏

I just need the HB gearset now

[subtle bluff]

When a stack is made it makes bonus armor. Otherwise it's just maintaining the stacks.

[meager fog]

It's notoriously a difficult farm, as it requires a perfect 2 red attribute roll against a blue core

[woeful zodiac]

Can I use the exodus gloves with it?

[meager fog]

I would recommend overdogs with pretty much everything now.

[woeful zodiac]

Ig I can recalibrate it

[subtle bluff]

To note asking for the best build but then saying you don't want it. What are you looking for?

[meager fog]

You need to recalibrate the core to red, that's why it's a hard farm. Both attributes have to be perfect

[subtle bluff]

Newer players can still learn on exo gloves.

[woeful zodiac]

A solid Huntsman build with exodus gloves

[meager fog]

In case you were wondering, outside of using Glass cannon on the chest, this is arguably the strongest build now.

[subtle bluff]

Strikers is the best build...

[woeful zodiac]

If not possible then a Lexington build

[subtle bluff]

Again builds aren't weapons specific 95% of the time.

[meager fog]

You don't build for a weapon, a weapon compliments your build

For example: Strikers, Heartbreaker and most DPS build are complimented enormously by any gun with a high RPM

[woeful zodiac]

Fine but what about the Huntsman?

[woeful zodiac]

I hate striker

[meager fog]

For what reason other than "lots of people use it because it's literally the best build in the game"

For sure there are other builds you can use, but Strikers can complete all content farily easily and doesn't even really require a good pilot.

[meager fog]

Famas is a good weapon, Frenzy is a decent talent

[subtle bluff]

Strikers at its finest.

[meager fog]

Fellow foam grenade enjoyer 🤣

[subtle bluff]

It's literally the only build that is viable at every level of content in the game.

[meager fog]

It's the ultimate Jack of all trades

Very vewry strong, with little to no downsides

[subtle bluff]

Gotta use every tool in your arsenal

[woeful zodiac]

Because turmoil headshot builds are my fav

[meager fog]

Ok...but HH isn't really viable for all content.

[subtle bluff]

That's probably why he's asking for another build.

[meager fog]

But also doesn't want the best one 😛

[woeful zodiac]

I want to feel humbled.

[subtle bluff]

I mean I used HHF 95% thru all the DLC.

[subtle bluff]

That clip should have done that.

[woeful zodiac]

I keep destroying the hostiles in the B4B dlc

[meager fog]

If you're absoluitely insistant on using a headshot build, then HH Shotgun exists and is ridiculous

[meager fog]

But...unlike using a Determined HH build....it requires ALOT of skill, practice and a GOOD pilot to work it

[woeful zodiac]

By the hostiles

Not by other players

[meager fog]

Use the strikers build I sent you and put glass cannon on the chest. You'll hit like a truck but you'll get humbled very quick

[woeful zodiac]

Ok but is the Huntsman compatible with the build?

[subtle bluff]

Uh? Humble by the hostile?

[meager fog]

Any high RPM gun works with Strikers

Literally any. It even works with Shotguns because each pellet adds a stack

[subtle bluff]

Huntsman is mid on the weapon charts.

[meager fog]

Mid but workable, if you're so insistant on using it

It also happens to be, outside of being the best build in the game, the easiest to farm.

[woeful zodiac]

So if I were to use:
4x striker
Exodus gloves
Everyday Carrier chestpiece

With Huntsman and Scorpio, it will work?

[meager fog]

WHy are you trying to use a Belstone piece?

[subtle bluff]

Again almost any weapon again will work with most good DPS builds..

The weapon specifically doesn't matter more of the weapon type.

[woeful zodiac]

Because if I wanted to use an armour kit, I would run out

[subtle bluff]

If you're using that many kits there's something else wrong.

[meager fog]

I don't even remember the last time I used an armour kit....

And I run all reds, all the time

[subtle bluff]

I mean you have exo gloves that should Regen your armor.

[meager fog]

I'm getting the feeling that this is less of a build issue and more of a playstyle issue.

I specifically avoided saying it's a skill issue because I don't know you, but it seems like you're biting off more than you can chew with alot of engagements

Typical engagements in this game last less than a minute, before all enemies are dead and you automatically regen armour.

https://youtu.be/XcIAgDZ7KjA?si=gYML7b2yaNixpFU1

[subtle bluff]

Using cover and LoS to your advantage is key.

That video shows what the standard striker can do.

[onyx sage]

okay but this is above average gameplay

[hazy steeple]

That joke's getting real thin.

[subtle bluff]

No it's a decent gameplay.

[rich cosmos]

You do not need exodus plus bellstone

[meager fog]

you don't need either, particularly this season...

[rich cosmos]

Exoduse is basically just unbreakable but shorter cooldown, better result, and not a chest piece

[rich cosmos]

I ignore seasonal modifiers, the lion doesn’t concern itself with limited time build crafting

The camera one is cool as shit tho

[meager fog]

"the lion?"

And still.....you don't need either...even without any modifiers lol

Definitely not for PvE

[rich cosmos]

Reminder, the majority of players aren’t solo clearing content easily

[meager fog]

And using armour regen, armour talents or armour in general....is actively making the game harder for them.

[rich cosmos]

…thats why Im saying its not necessary??

Exodus gloves are really good for pve

[subtle bluff]

The thought is that exo glove is still red and gives a lot of survivability. It's a good balance.

It helps teach limits.

[rich cosmos]

Exo is also just better unbreakable while also not being a chest talent which is pretty huge

[subtle bluff]

Otherwise ya everyday carry isn't great due not shooting stuff.

[meager fog]

Yeah I can agree with that. IN a similar way as I try to tell people to avoid using revive hive

HOWEVER, exo is now also taking away a massive buff with Overdogs being the strength it is for alot fo builds.

[rich cosmos]

Like, I assume exo doesn’t give armor in pvp right? Otherwise its just a massively better and pve oriented unbreak

[magic pilot]

It does but you can get shot which disables the regen

[rich cosmos]

Fair

[dreamy valve]

Exodus is still an underrated exotic, even more so now that Overdogs is currently in the glove slot spotlight atm

[meager fog]

Not so much underrated....because it's used quite a lot....more that it's uneccesary for most situations

As I said earlier, most engagements last less than a couple of minutes before you auto regen armour anyway.

With overdogs, most engagements last less than a minute

[rich cosmos]

Just because one thing is better doesn’t mean the weaker option is pointless

Most players struggle staying alive

[meager fog]

Which is why we recommend learning tactics over trying to build for Armour/Regen. For most of those who struggle to stay alive, it's more a matter of playstyle over ability.

[rich cosmos]

Or, you could just throw on an exotic that has red core related stuff on it and doesn’t take up a backpack or chest slot

Just because you will be fine doesn’t mean someone else might struggle

[meager fog]

Or, you could learn to kill things quicker, position better, not have a safety net and generally just become a more prolific player. That's the aim. Again, it's not a skill issue. It's a playstyle problem.

[dreamy valve]

Based on my observations in public games, the dps builds I’ve seen have primarily used Overdogs and even before its introduction, it was something like a high end chc or gearsets slot, with the exotic being Ninjabags or Coyotes. I feel Exodus isn’t as situational as some may think it only is for, and can be applied in alot of engagements still. Remember, we who are here is only a very small percentage of the player pool so our perspectives can be skewed with what is experienced and learned about.

[rich cosmos]

Not everything has to be about minmaxing

[meager fog]

It isn't about min maxing in here, it's about giving the optimal advice.

The optimal build, for all situations, in a full red DPS Strikers. If you wish to add your own spin, that's your choice. But the advice in here won't be given to cater for that. That's how it is.

[rich cosmos]

Exodus and overdogs are both amazing, they don’t cancel each other out, they are both valid, especially on a very easy to use gearset

[dreamy valve]

Some players just like zero sum gameplay, but I’m just not one of them. I’m a forever Memento enjoyer

[ivory comet]

Noob here! I'm in the process of doing this. I incorrectly argued that my Blue Core build was allowing me to be more survivable in Legendaries and these people carefully (somewhat calmly even though I may have ragebaited them) explained that dead targets deal 0 damage.

[meager fog]

Exactly.

Dead enemies can't hurt you. ALive enemies deal alot of damage.

[ivory comet]

The positioning and LoSing is the biggest eye-opener.

No one here is really going to tell you how to play, they're just here to give you the clearest of answers to your questions. As best they can.

[rich cosmos]

Noob here
Look inside
Joined 2021

[ivory comet]

The game's changed since 2021, my friend.

Cluster Seeker Mines and Baker's Dozen Rifle builds are no longer the best way to play the game.

[rich cosmos]

Not much in ground breaking ways

Yeah you can kill and sure if you are confident in that Im not trying to stop you

But wanting survivability is just as good and valid

[ivory comet]

I don't want to put words in their mouth, but the argument is.. kill things faster = survive more. And I've been seeing that.

Blue Core build gave me the false security that I could take more bullets, but then there are 5-8 targets shooting at me, instead of 2.

[rich cosmos]

This isn’t about a blue core build

Its about exodus gloves, a red core exotic

[ivory comet]

I'm only using my experience.

When comparing the gloves, I'm still in the corner that OD are better to run than Exo. You shouldn't need the crutch.

[rich cosmos]

Arguably you can define needing all damage everything a crutch, a striker build can work absolutely perfectly fine without even using an exotic

You might not need more survivability, but maybe someone else does

The build is still gonna be strong

[ivory comet]

K.

[subtle bluff]

There's a learning curve to this game and as humps.

I've now been playing for like 21 months now.

The mindset how you look at combat is weird mix of shooting a lot but keeping track of your flank and uncovered areas.

[rich cosmos]

7 blue core typing up a manifesto

[ivory comet]

Just saying, I was in that boat of arguing for survivability in blue cores/exodus gloves... but it's like a false equivalence.. the real reason that i even remotely thought I needed survivability IS because I wasn't killing fast enough, so i was getting overwhelmed.

Literally hurting myself. Watching some videos (like below) you pick up on positioning and angles... now I'm shredding AND i'm saving myself time to do more content/runs.. which is invaluable, imo

https://youtu.be/01CNV1MSQYI?si=U_fcYZoAdgTqI2qE

[dreamy valve]

In an ideal setting, gameplay fundamentals like positioning and field awareness player skills should have been built up during the climb from level 1 and right before you had all the fancy endgame toys to build around. The game now fast tracks you to that endgame instantly now, so these crucial skills are lacking with newer players to the game who want to rush to be optimal like someone else who put in a thousand hours into the game. I don’t entirely blame new players for thinking it’s mostly gear dependent for endgame success in this way, but I think it’s also not that serious of a game to worry about building some sense of masterclass player skill, big picture wise. I could see more of that urgency to player improvement for something like League of Legends or Counterstrike, but for a 6+ year old pve looter shooter who’s gameplay mechanics were designed to be approachable to a mass audience? Much less so imo. I think some here are a bit over zealous in giving their input on build advice and just goes overboard with telling others what’s the “right” way to play the game at an uncomfortably authoritative tone, edging on elitist I might add(and the more worrying thing is that they themselves don’t even notice their behavior, or not care to anyway) and I think it’s been a bit of a detriment since it has the effect of alienating new players who want to get into the game at the start. But after all that said, yes Strikers is the gearset you should use for dps.

[ivory comet]

I don’t think the game fast tracks you to raids, legendaries, masters, or incursions.

[dreamy valve]

It gets you to lvl 40 quick enough. That’s the point where the content opens up, and they find the matchmaker button for those content. Not even those modes, just base heroic or Master climax, Retaliation, Countdown heroic content for the general player audience that struggle in those areas.

I respond to backup calls as a shepherd, and help them out in that way,actually showing them some tips ingame and not superfluously just tell them to get better, that doesn’t really help them

[ivory comet]

Alright.

So builds..

[dreamy valve]

Yes? 😺

[stark pike]

idk if this is anywhere close to optimal but it feels really good, striker is also an option but OD for 5 x directives.
Spot on holster is a godsend for Chameleon and the combo to keep perma stacks with gloves is pog, you can use the seasonal modifiers to proc it yourself even for full control

(Tech is because im new and leveling all the specials up, gunnner seems better for this)

[stark pike]

Ultimately the game is about build crafting right, there is no actual hard content in the game where you must be 100% meta.

[meager fog]

The game doesn't fast travel you anywhere.

That's a choice. And a poor one, that the player takes.

[subtle bluff]

Take off the BP get a Ceska BP with wicked.
Your weapons you want something with Sadist.

[dreamy valve]

Wanting to rush to endgame is a common thing, poor or not. It’s why you’ll be giving out the same build advice to new players here for as long as you are here

[stark pike]

Cant Spot-on is too important Chameleon spread is horrible if you dont have spot on holsters

I dont think sadist is better then perma Cham buffs personally but it might be

[subtle bluff]

You want to go strikers instead of OD.

[meager fog]

This is what we're talking about.

Sadist is not negotiable on an OD build.

At all.

[stark pike]

I have played it with strikers I wrote that OD is being played for 5 x directives.

[meager fog]

And you need to play OD properly.

Which involves either using Tinkerer with Sadist and a talent of your choice or Overdogs with Carnage

[subtle bluff]

Your not playing to OD strengths is what I’ll say.

[stark pike]

If you are gonna play sadist then you also want to play tinkerer and then the idea of exodus and cham goes out the window

and exodus + cham makes up for a lot of the stats I am missing from being low SHD

[subtle bluff]

You’re missing out on a lot of damage vs using Cham.

You can use exo with OD.

[meager fog]

Alot of nope here I'm afraid

[subtle bluff]

Low SHD doesn’t make you that much less damage. It’s more gameplay there.

[stark pike]

There is also a difference between talking about optimal builds, and building around something

[subtle bluff]

You do not NEED to use Tinkerer for OD.

[meager fog]

If you're not using Sadist, you're playing OD entirely wrong.

That's not a debate

[stark pike]

in this case I build around cham and exodus and the set is nogetioable I put on OD for 5 x directives

[subtle bluff]

30% amp vs Cham buffs isn’t that much believe it or not.

[stark pike]

I also dont have a good yellow weapon but thats besides the point

[subtle bluff]

And in the case of Sadist your uptime is basically 98% of the time

[stark pike]

too new to have lexington (Pain)

[subtle bluff]

Cham can be good but only if you’re running thru content.

[dreamy valve]

Some people just take it a bit too seriously. I was like that a few years ago, but I mellowed out. You see some of these types hang out here in the channel 24/7, but they eventually get rotated out and replaced with new experts every 2-3 years ever since I’ve been here.

[subtle bluff]

You can use m249/mk46 which is even better for your directives.

[stark pike]

I just like to make builds in ARPGs thats what tickles the brain

and then clear all content with it refine it till it works.

[ivory comet]

Just like all video games. Surprise.

[subtle bluff]

I’ll just put it this way because we saying all of this and it’s basically been mention already.
Almost anything can clear up to heroic content but doesn’t mean it’s good.

This is build advice channel if you don’t like advice well… ya.

[dreamy valve]

I’m in several other live game servers, but this place is still a bit unusual! But whatever

[meager fog]

Viable =/= Good

[subtle bluff]

I find it funny sometimes he says this stuff and it’s points to me a lot of the time but he’s blocked me for being blunt to him.
I just like helping a lot more than most but I am also blunt.

[ivory comet]

How though…? Because they care to help?

[subtle bluff]

And also having a troll name.

[stark pike]

There is a difference between people wanting to optimize around an idea for a build and make that clear all content and then playing what is the absolute number chrunched best setup, I do know about Ikia87s builds

[subtle bluff]

LMAO

Not you lance

[stark pike]

No no I know you where talking about 7 x blue cores

[subtle bluff]

My advice for your build is taking off the OD BP since it does lil to nothing for the overall build is what I want to say.

That’s really my thing. Cham is fun weapon to use.

But can be troublesome to use in some content and situations.

[stark pike]

I mean I dont like the BP that much either BUT I need 4 pieces and gloves are exodus for cham they work to well together and then the spot ons is like cham is so shit without it

its like an close range SMG without spot on

[subtle bluff]

I’m have a test with using Spot-On it’s not that much of difference at distance.

[dreamy valve]

I feel it goes a bit overboard and into other territories, but I’ll just stop right there since the topic doesn’t pertain to build advice and I’ll just let things play out for now on. 🤷‍♂️

[meager fog]

OD backpack is bad.

OD chest is essential.

For OD normally its Mask and Backpack that are your choice.

For optimal you want a Ceska Wicked BP and Tinkerer mask or Ceska Bp and Overdogs gloves.

If you choose to ignore the advice, thats not our problem

[subtle bluff]

Dorky being blunt more than me lol

[meager fog]

The advice is there, cant do more than that

[subtle bluff]

And I can say to blue your not wrong I’ve done that a more than a fair share but that’s more mostly to when players are being given misinformation.

[stark pike]

I understand where you are coming from.
But the premise is not about whats optimal its about what can work within the constrains of the idea I do wanna play with

[subtle bluff]

Lance wants to play with Cham and Directives.

Is what I am getting.

[meager fog]

Then you're not asking for advice. You're asking for validation.

Which you won't get on a sub optimal build.

So if you want to play Chameleon with directives...

[subtle bluff]

Dorky has a point with that one.

[stark pike]

I am not looking for validation I was just looking for a conversation

[obtuse crystal]

honestly if thats how you wanna run your od build swap swap the holster to a od one and the bag to a ceska one with wicked is my opinion but it will be worse thana using a high end weapon with sadist on it

[subtle bluff]

This is Cham and Directive run.
https://youtu.be/01CNV1MSQYI?si=U_fcYZoAdgTqI2qE

Via: Dorky

[stark pike]

4 not 5, and not playing with the core exodus cham perma stacks.
Looks great though! Cool build for sure.
And what are those shoes? looks cool!

https://youtu.be/wBJL_dgqjGI
Like this is more of what I am doing except I wanted all directives which is why i was messing with OD instead of strikers

[meager fog]

Oh no....content creator builds

[subtle bluff]

It isn’t.

[stark pike]

Pretty sure that guy is just a Division 2 andy who makes videos because he loves it

[subtle bluff]

He’s just going into detail how Cham work and some the tricks.

[stark pike]

My guess is his english is not very good.

But I understand what he was getting at

[subtle bluff]

I know all of what he’s talking about.

The way he’s playing is something OG GOAT would do. But you need to be pretty Agro about it all.

[urban latch]

☝️

[subtle bluff]

OD strength is its ability synergies with a bunch of things.
Cham strength is buff and being able to refresh it for free with exo and getting back into combat.

[subtle bluff]

The Lurking 🐐

[stark pike]

Is there a 5 directives build that can play any specialization?

So I can get max XP for leveling them up

[urban latch]

Pistol headhunter builds

[subtle bluff]

Sharpshooter running with Rifles or MMR’s since it give you ammo when in cover.
Pistol HH builds

[stark pike]

It is a pretty cool build though right?

[subtle bluff]

My favorite is HHF

[subtle bluff]

It’s a build that’s been around for awhile. Just the new add of exo.

I have a run thru with Cham with that same build without exo because I am running the the ads faster and not taking that amount of damage.

Not on Leggo.

[stark pike]

I wonder where the efficiency curve is on how many directives like how much harder it gets vs how much more XP you get an hour in terms of being the most efficient in that regard.

[subtle bluff]

Depend on how fast you can repeat the run.

I say not worry about SHD. Farm gear learn the game.

[stark pike]

Mostly talking open world as I understand it the best thing to do is activities and CPs

Its not so much about SHDs more about getting all the talents for specials

[subtle bluff]

I could make toon and leave him at 600 SHD I would.

[stark pike]

Gunner, tech etc etc

[subtle bluff]

Like your Library?

OH that…

[stark pike]

Libary is going alright for 163 SHD

[subtle bluff]

Nice. It not hard to do. I kind of made a guide with that.

[stark pike]

Yea idk the best way its just countdowns I got it from

But yea what I want to farm is my special weapons I want all those maxed out

[obtuse crystal]

some bounties give points and invaded missions and projects and level ups give the most

[stark pike]

When you guys play with Overdogs are you considering your targets or just like meh if it works it works

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no.

[ivory comet]

As best you can

[gloomy spruce]

iirc, invaded missions give 5 specialization points each

The bounties that give specialization points are the orange daily ones

SHD levels count as 3 each

[pure hamlet]

How do people feel about Gunner vs Firewall for striker builds?

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the playstyle more. Generally Gunner for AoK.
Firewall is trying to squeeze every amount of DPS you can.

[woeful zodiac]

Is 4x Heartbreaker, exodus gloves and closer chestpiece good?

[subtle bluff]

idk if you exo gloves on HB

[meager fog]

Firewall is only if you're using shield and want the extra damage, good for group play as it applies to all allies. But its a risky playstyle.

Gunner for Solo play aok

[hearty timber]

blue striker firewall is ok solo

you got both decent dps and armor

anyway, does the shroud and overdog talents counter each other out? or is it actually give you amplifies weapon damage for all enemy type?

[gentle lichen]

We had this talk in general you can check

[meager fog]

The are opposites and using both is a waste of time as one of them is inactive for over 50% of combat

[hearty timber]

good to know then

[meager fog]

The idea of a damage AMP is to have it active as much as possible, thats why we measure them in up time

[subtle bluff]

No need to go so much blue

[hearty timber]

it's funny

and let you be more comfy with striker shield

[meager fog]

Ok doesn't mean good. And "decent dps" is debatable since you arent amping by any real amount of damage.

[hearty timber]

the only thing i havent test it with is like legendary mission

[meager fog]

It won't work

[hearty timber]

the rest you can just solo everything

[meager fog]

Anything can survive heroic. Legendary and master is a different animal

[hearty timber]

if you want to be a meta slave then just go full red

firewall armor kit is goated and you can just use it for that alone

[meager fog]

Theres a difference between "being a meta slave" and knowing what is actually viable to use.

There is a reason full red builds are king. Enemies dont care how much armour you have.

[hearty timber]

ok? i said blue striker is viable for almost most contents, not all contents

[meager fog]

Especially not in legendary content. They will strip a full blue build in seconds while you fire peanuts at them

[hearty timber]

idk what is your issue which that statement

[subtle bluff]

DPS is king basically. If you're learning some blue is ok but really you don't need it.

[hearty timber]

pretty much

[meager fog]

This is the build advice channel, where people come for advice. The advice given will be what is best to use, for what they want.

And everything you advise here is open to criticism.

[hearty timber]

did i said anything bad with red build? i dont

and i clearly stated that the build is not made for ALL contents

[meager fog]

Its poor advice in general. Blue cores are bad for PvE, if you're learning put on one or two for comfort (although it won't help much)

But saying something can solo Heroic is not a basis for viable. A grey build can solo heroic

[hearty timber]

since when build advice is limited to only legendary kind of contents only?

people can ask for fun build, niche build, other stuff

as long as it help them in making build, improve them in someway or just making a build actually work

[gentle lichen]

good for giving you like 0.5% amp per blue LMAO

[meager fog]

It does none of those things

[hearty timber]

ok? my build actually work so what is your point?

i still can kill enemy, i will done mission
i might not the same level as that one guy full red striker coyote but i still do my part

[strong cave]

In a group, the more armor you have typically means less damage output. Division is known for requiring pretty much damage to get through content swiftly. Using armor now means (if in a full group) you're 1 person down from dealing the most damage. If 2 people, well, cut that number in half. 3, same deal. 4, don't even bother. You could place an order for pizza and have it delivered quicker than you'll complete content in game.

If your build works, it works. But this is build advice channel, where only the best all around builds are pointed to in advice. Not niche, 1 peg 1 hole, builds

[dreamy valve]

I think a nice compromise to avoid all this back and forth with different build idealogies is to split up Build Advice into 2 channels: keep this one as is and make the second one called Build advice for fun or something like Experimental builds. Just about all of the tabletop Warhammer 40k servers I’m in have 2 channels for players to go to, that can fit what they want out of their hobby a bit better in terms of building loadouts: one devoted to competitive meta, and the other would be casual only. I think at least in this way, there would be a more defined separation so intentions are less easily criss crossed around and the daily bickering kept to a minimum.

[meager fog]

The issue is that people come here for advice on how to improve their build.

Telling them that "Using blue cores good hur hur" is just crap advice in general. It will actively make the game not only harder, but more annoying to play.

There isn't a diversity in builds in this game that work, there are best in slot and then there are builds that actively work against you. By virtue of how this game is designed, armour is next to useless.

That isn't to say you can't use whatever you want to use, that's your prerogative.

[subtle bluff]

(kirby spinned react)

But really just let them know that they'll hit wall at some point with it and they'll understand why later.

or when they join a raid or incursion and they get question why they're getting kicked or questions for said reason.

[meager fog]

The main example, and the biggest question/resistance we get in here is "How can I survive better with Strikers"

The answer is always (from myself anyway) You can't. Because that's not an issue with the build, but an issue with how they';re playing it.

That's when you give advice on how to play it, rather than how to improve it, because it can't be improved.

[dreamy valve]

Yeah, but don’t you get tired of dealing with awkward exchanges whenever someone wants to deviate from the build you want them to play? Seems it happens every time I visit here, but I guess you like that kind of conversation since you seem to be here all the time lmao. I usually stop by only whenever I need to drop a deuce or right before heading for bed. Best thing to do imo is to just drop your advice and not have it drag it out if they are not being recalcitrant

Anyways, thats my cue to head to bed yo

[meager fog]

Not really, because i'm not here to argue really. If people ask for advice but resist the advice, then they're not really looking for advice. They want validation.

If they ask why the advice is better than what they want to do, I will tell them (sometimes even show them the math)

If they resist after that then, that's their issue honestly.

Hence why my conversation from earlier stopped until you revived it 😛

Have a good sleep

[gentle lichen]

how about we all hug it out

[meager fog]

I'm excited for the epic novel that @hexed steppe is typing.

Also @hexed steppe: "K" 🤣

[hexed steppe]

Build advice is for making builds better.
Non optimal setups will be challenged, always. This is kinda the process we use to hash out top builds and determined what gets added to the guides.
If one poses a build that isn't going to perform well for general use its gonna get shut down...

Posing a weird or niche builds as advice is perfectly fine, but you better be able to defend it and explain why its useful. We challenge builds specifically to figure out why its good.

If you post a build and just want advice, state that you want to maintain "such and such" , like using blue/yellow/red specific cores ratios, specific skills, specific exotics. In that type of scenario most will regear their advice to fit those parameters or maybe pose a way to get close to those parameters another way.

Jmho, but this is exactly how I see build advice able to cater to meta and niche builds alike. Sometimes this process of challenging brings about a better understanding to all parties and helps shift metas...

Pretty sure I remember hhhf being challenged a long time ago... look at it now 😎

[hexed steppe]

K

[meager fog]

Kind of knew that was coming

[fervent ore]

I want to pair a good smg or shotgun with my police m4 striker build for close range management what should i use ourobros or scorpion or any other high end weapon

[meager fog]

Scorpio, SMG9, Tac90, M870, all good options

[fervent ore]

For solo content how big is the dps loss if i am using coyote mask instead of overdogs

[meager fog]

Quite a large drop

[rich cosmos]

Not a big deal

[fervent ore]

Hmm i been using grupo chest with coyote will have to get ceska chest now to meet the cc requirement

[meager fog]

It's not even close in terms of DPS. Please don't give misinformation.

[rich cosmos]

Reminder coyotes was also the go to for a long while

[meager fog]

Coyotes was t he best in slot purely because it held some form of bonus over using any other set piece. 25% potential CHD over a grupo 13% bonus, 15% in most situations.

[rich cosmos]

I didn’t ask

[meager fog]

Grupo is worse than Ceska. CHC is valued twice as much as CHD. In order for Grupo to be preferred, it would need at least 17% CHD.

[meager fog]

Nobody cares whether you asked, don't give out misinformation.

[fervent ore]

Okayy thankss

[meager fog]

If you want the absolute Best in slot for DPS with obvious draw backs, Glass Cannon is the outright winner for a chest talent.

[fervent ore]

The problem with glass cannon is i don’t think i don’t have that much map knowledge as of now to avoid damage and to choose best position in all scenarios and mess up once in a while so it can backfire for me

I use obliterate instead of that

[desert oasis]

can exotic weapons roll any attribute?

[meager fog]

The third attribute is random for exotic weapons

[desert oasis]

Yes, but does it roll anything and everything or it depends on the weapon?

[meager fog]

Well, when I say it's random I mean it can roll any weapon attribute....

[rich cosmos]

The point of an exotic is that its talent is unique

[desert oasis]

Just double checking, rolled a bluescreen multiple times and kept getting the same 2-3 stats

[meager fog]

The first two on every single weapon in the game are always the same.

The third is the only one that can change

[desert oasis]

Cool, thanks

[rich lotus]

@meager fog since you seem to know about max dps you recommend glass cannon over obliterate for running countdown?

[meager fog]

If you can handle running Glass Cannon at all, i'd recommend using it every where to be honest.

It's outright far higher damage than Obliterate.

[cerulean smelt]

in otherwords, it's just more consistent damage over all

[rich lotus]

Glass cannon on ceska with the overdog gloves probably delete enemies

[meager fog]

Just be wary that in CD, two hits froma hunter will put you down using GC

[rich lotus]

Copy that 🫡

[meager fog]

And, with Striker GC Overdogs being one of the highest DPS builds in the game, there isn't going to be anyone taking aggro from you. You WILL be focussed down by enemies.

[rich lotus]

So what you’re saying is you have to have great knowledge on enemy spawns or you will be downed quick

[meager fog]

Good map knowledge, good spawn knowledge, good use of cover and good awareness to break LoS from most enemies. Don't get tunnel vision, focus your targets properly and try to isolate them by breaking Los using the environment and you'll be fine.

Also: Decoy is a massive help

[hexed steppe]

negodogs will likely take aggro from a strikerdogs when paired in the same team... something about the transfer making way higher output in multi-target scenarios... yadda yadda

btw, this has been true before overdogs as well 😎

[meager fog]

Maybe 😛 But I don't actually see many ND in Countdown for some reason

[gentle lichen]

Me when tempest

[hexed steppe]

because everyone instantly promotes striker, and nd requires more than 2 braincells to rub together to make it work proper

[rich cosmos]

Tru

[vivid shard]

is killer better than optimist in a high end dps build using the lexington?

because that crit damage seems really good

[meager fog]

Yes

[daring blade]

And Killer is probably better than Strained, right?

[hexed steppe]

Its gonna depend on if solo or team. Killer solo, measured team. I think strained has been knocked down to a mid ranked talent, someone correct me if wrong.

[meager fog]

Killer beats strained in all situations. As long as you kill with crit hits, killer stays active.

Strained resets on reload

[rich lotus]

@meager fog question as I’m sure you’ve tested it. With the ceska chest wouldn’t the centurions holster be better dps wise instead of the overdog gloves ?

[meager fog]

Overdogs is a flat 30% Damage amplifier, it's multiplicative and doesn't add to anything else. It also has potential 100% up time.

Centurions gives weapon damage, which is additive with other weapon damage. They aren't even going to come close

[rich lotus]

I just got the overdog gloves. Can you explain what symbol I should look for to make sure I’m getting that 30%.

Do I need to kill the lower tier enemy first and then work towards the elites

[stark pike]

there is no symbol, you read the tiers and remember which is which

[meager fog]

The tiers are base of enemy types, not tiers. There is not symbol, just remembering which is which tier.

You could have a red enemy for example who is a higher tier than a yellow

[cerulean smelt]

not to mention in order to experience that weapon damage increase you'll have to keep swapping weapons every time it goes on cool down

[meager fog]

In basic terms, attack any enemy with no archtype first, and all skill proxys (turrets, drones, etc)

Leave Rogues, Hunters, Chungas, Shields until last

[cerulean smelt]

though, i do still want a centurions + gunslinger build just for fun 🤔

[rich lotus]

Yeah I wouldn’t mind that. I’m just working towards the higher dps build with striker and ceska chest with obliterate so I was just curious between the gloves and holster which one has the highest damage since I’m still learning

[meager fog]

We can help you with learning, a good place tgo start is with how damage in the division 2 is actually calculated. This will help you to learn WHY amps are the most important thing:

[cerulean smelt]

if you want, can even attempt a tinkerer 1 weapon striker build

[cerulean smelt]

we should be getting a gif of chow's 50million headshot heal chem launcher soon TM

[stark pike]

They should really add an [X] to multipliers so its clear when its a multiplier and when its not

[cerulean smelt]

what fun would that pose if they just become transparent? it's up to us players to find these things out

[stark pike]

I think Asmon said it best that if a game needs external tools its a failure on the game

It should be clear in game for people who wants to build craft and such

[meager fog]

It's weird because technically everything is a multiplier. However, except for amps, all other damage multipliers add together during calculation within their groups.

For example, adding 30% weapon damage, just adds it to your already existing weapon damage multiplier.

ALL amps (denoted in game with the word amplified normally) are multiplicative and don't add to anything else.

[stark pike]

Right so amplified is essentially multiplicative. But not all amps say that right? Then it gets muddy

[meager fog]

I believe all amps have the word amplified in their somewhere

Not always in the same place or context though so actually reading them is the important factor

[stark pike]

Alright then it should just be made clear in game what amp vs not amp means

[gloomy spruce]

It gets even more annoying that some things that imply they are amps are additive and some things that are worded to sound like added buffs can in some cases be amps.

[meager fog]

Yeah you can muddy it up for example by saying that due to its rare nature, Dtoooc in most cases is an amp, because 9/10 times you only have one source of it

[gloomy spruce]

This game's ability to make anything and everything too complex does frustrate me.

[meager fog]

If you add a second source of Dttooc, it's no longer an amp it's additive with the other source

Say from Foxes Prayer

[cerulean smelt]

would be nice if they add a named weapon that has Damage to targets in cover just for fun and we can still get DTOOC on it as well

[stark pike]

what is Dttooc short for?

[meager fog]

Damage to target out of cover

Essential for all weaponis to have on them

[stark pike]

Right which is its own amp/multi but does not say so in game

Learned that yesterday

[meager fog]

It isn't technically an amp, but since most builds only have the single source, it acts as one

[rich lotus]

I’ll keep working on getting a higher rolled overdog gloves and get better at recognizing the enemy to demolish runs

[stark pike]

Lucky craft only had to recraft once

Dont you just get w hat you get the one overdogs from season pass

[cerulean smelt]

to think you can just optimize the stats not maxed yet you've been burning through exotic components to try and get it so it's not so costly

[stark pike]

And then you level it up

[meager fog]

Correc,t until next season only one pair of overdogs is available.

So you have to optimise the one you get

Overdogs can be counter intuitive, because you want to focus downu the Hunters etc first.

Just gotta learn to not do that 😛

[meager fog]

#td2-build-advice message

[rich lotus]

@meager fog how come the gear is blue or purple?

[meager fog]

Colourblind settings

I believe i also DM'd you a run with Glass cannon nad KIller Lexington 4 directive, so you can see how strong it can be

[rich lotus]

I got it. I will watch it thank you for the help and advice

[meager fog]

No problem, anything else you need just call out

[cerulean smelt]

i know you can go faster than you did in the video 🤔

[meager fog]

I also try to do all my show runs without using armour kits, so it shows that you don't need to panic heal.

[meager fog]

I'm still figuring out the Chameleon, I don't use it that much. But it's also No armour regen directive, so I have to be careful 😛

[cerulean smelt]

just messing with you honestly, surprised you didn't swap shoulders in that drop down area. was expecting a shoulder swap there but you stayed on your right was like uh?

[meager fog]

I fluffed a few things in that run honestly, I was just getting it together at the last second 🤣

[cerulean smelt]

didn't watch it all the way but knowing you, probably cleared it as you said no armorkit (> <)

next run, no exotics and all High End? no armorkit, decoy? j/k doubt i'd last long in that situation

[meager fog]

I can give it a go later lol. I'm sure Chow has done full grey though 😛

[cerulean smelt]

he did with chainkiller

or was that dien? i forget actaully whose video i watched for that

[obtuse crystal]

i think it was raucey

[cerulean smelt]

oh right!

all grey improvised, chainkiller and 1886 right?

[obtuse crystal]

think so i cant remember

or just the starter gear you get

[cerulean smelt]

what if you made an all named build @meager fog ?

[obtuse crystal]

i could just need to change my holster for one of my builds unless you mean weapons as well

[cerulean smelt]

that would be interesting too. named gear and weapons? 🤔

maybe lud and purist combo?

[rich lotus]

Yeah that video you tagged me in @meager fog you are completely deleting enemies. But are you running glass cannon on or obliterate for ceska chest

[meager fog]

The one I sent you? That's Glass Cannon.

The one I showed you here in the build advice was Obliterate with CHameleon i think

I can't put the Glass cannon one here because self promo and it's too big to upload :P~

[meager fog]

I don't think I have that many named pieces tbh 🤣

But I could have a look

[cerulean smelt]

oh right, this don't allow gifs

tried to a gif of "nani?!"

but i guess it makes sense you might not have as many named as like i do

[meager fog]

Until recently, I haven't tended to keep things I won't use. Mainly for expertise lkol 😛

But now i';m at the point and mainly playing to mess around, I kind of wish I had them

[stark flicker]

for scales is it better to go 4pc + turmoil and contractor with an exotic or 4pc + tinkerer and contractor's with he?

[meager fog]

Turmoil is bad on almost everything tbh, halving your single target DPS is not what you want to do

[stark flicker]

should I do tink or coyote then?

[meager fog]

Tinkerer can work well, but personally I would go Overdogs and a Ceska piece

[stark flicker]

what tier is od again?

[meager fog]

29 I think in the season pass

[stark flicker]

alr

does the od talent affect pesti ticks?

[meager fog]

Overdgos damage amp is simply too powerful to ignore on most DPS builds now if you can fit it in

[stark flicker]

or does bk work better with scales?

[meager fog]

Personally, Bluescreen. Bullet King is a choice alot use though because constant ramping up of TS is nice.

[stark flicker]

is it worth swapping coyote on striker's builds?

[meager fog]

Absolutely

[stark flicker]

I hope in the future they make od mark whichever enemy is currently having the damage buff

[meager fog]

This is what the meta Strikers should look like now (except the Ceska chest should have CHC instead of 3x CHD

Heres a quick one:

[stark flicker]

damn 1.2 mil

[rich lotus]

So you want the crit chance mods on the helmet, chest and backpack instead of crit damage

[stark flicker]

that's nuts even on max stack headshot crit I can currently only get 1.05mil

[meager fog]

Need to get your CHC to 60%, doesn't matter how you do it

[stark flicker]

is striker or scales better for speed?

[hexed steppe]

nego

😎

[stark flicker]

nego is too squishy for me

[hexed steppe]

its just as squishy as any other all red

[meager fog]

They're all the same amount of squishy

[stark flicker]

I swear I feel more frail with nego than striker

[hexed steppe]

its because you are focused more because more damage most of the time

[meager fog]

But out of these two, Strikers edges it because ARs are better at range than LMGs although TS is inherently stronger at the top end

[stark flicker]

for nego should I run both chest and bp or just bp

[hexed steppe]

imagine a 1m crit, but then transferring 1.1mil to 2 other npcs that are marked

[obtuse crystal]

just bp

[stark flicker]

kk

[hexed steppe]

no, nego back, class or oblit chest

[hexed steppe]

i disagree. lmg can be quite good at range. i been running bluescreen on nego a lot for retaliations and you get a lot of ranged action... no issues

[meager fog]

If you really want to push that damage up, using Firewall shield and Glass Cannon chest bumps it up to around 1.8-1.9m

But it's pricey and VERY squishy

[stark pike]

Bluescreen feels like cheating

[stark flicker]

for nego is it worth overcapping chc?

[meager fog]

Yeah they're useable, just not as friendly I should have said.

Or rather, LMGs take a better pilot than ARs

[stark pike]

Its more accurate then most ARs It feels like

[hexed steppe]

oh its even better if you know how to manipulate the talent with emp sticky

[hexed steppe]

no they are stupid easy to use...

[stark flicker]

so for nego my build should look smth like this? https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwRgtAzGAMbsNG2U1yBcwAslHzAOwCsapKGAnGAlPljuWWugGwHW7iwgFSP-NQubkwH9M4PnFEyMwABxQcIbgmCwILQlXFjZ6PYdYHZME4ZhA

[meager fog]

I personally have a large softspot for the GR9, just because it's ridiculous at locking down a spawn...with the added ability of being able to laser a single target if you need to

[cerulean smelt]

you n ever want to overcap the chance

[hexed steppe]

the only drawback of lmg compared to ar is the suppression mechanic

[cerulean smelt]

last season you could've probably gotten to 100% chance but pretty sure to hit that you'd be missing a lot of damage out of it as well

[stark flicker]

I realized I forgot to factor in watch chc so I don't even need to worry abt overcap bc it reaches exactly 60

[hexed steppe]

yeah, thats fine, just shoot for close to 60% chc. if you are a few under thats cool. i think its possible to hit an even 60 tho

[stark flicker]

yeah with the 3.4x scope laser pointer and 5.56 muzzle brake plus nego chc and ceska chc the chc core on the chest and overdogs hits an even 60

[hexed steppe]

what i been using for any dps role lately

[smoky latch]

Is good

[hexed steppe]

if anything actually gets suppressed i force them up by proccing bs talent or directly staggering them with the emp sticky

but yeah, i been loving it. nothing else really compares in my eyes. ik striker is all single target damage yadda yadda, but 90% of what i do involves more than 1 target. being able to transfer that overdogs amped damage to high rank targets elevates nego for me even further.
but tbf, nego always been 😍

[cerulean smelt]

i haven't ran nego in forever. last time i think i did a funsie build that with turmoil lmao

[hexed steppe]

run mine above, use oblit if youre a softy
youll probably be a convert, ngl

just make sure the lmg is chc 3rd if you use bs

[meager fog]

Let just put it this way: If you have a Striker, Nego, and an OD in the same room. There isn't going to be m uch left after a few seconds

[rich lotus]

On that picture you sent with the build how do you have crit damage 3 times on the ceska chest ?

[meager fog]

It's a mistake with the picture, one should be CHC. I clarified that in the post

[rich lotus]

My apologies I missed that

[meager fog]

No bother 🙂

Need to try my OD with Overdogs, see how that pans out. Could be interesting with that many AMPs kicking off

Then we'd have an ODOD build 🤣

[rich lotus]

I got the overdogs from the season but I can’t buy the blue prints to reroll. Anyone know why?

[meager fog]

They're not avaialbel until after the season ends. You're stuck with optimising the ones you have

[rich lotus]

Ah dang it. Okay. Going to take a lot of resources 🥲

[stark flicker]

I decided to switch to nego and literally all my dps disappeared

on paper I should be doing more but a headshot crit with od boost is barely hitting 800k when with strikers I was hitting 1m on body shots

[hexed steppe]

your main source of damage is transfer. so every crit is transfered to other marks at 112% original crit

like i mentioned above, it takes a little more thought to make it work

[stark pike]

Thinking!? In MY video game!?

[hexed steppe]

ik, blasphemy

[hexed steppe]

show build and stats screen

[stark pike]

What was the backpack talent for OD again?

[hexed steppe]

increased bleed damage, bad talent

[stark pike]

I mean the good one the not set one

[hexed steppe]

od treated like a traditional dps is the best way to build if you want it to perform

[stark pike]

The actual OD one

[hexed steppe]

yeah, the actual od bag is bleed damage increase

ceska wicked or vigilance is what you want there

[stark flicker]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwRgtAzGAMbsNG1iBylIFzACyUfGAOwCsG6F5mAnGAlITnpS1QGxF37gpFSsCY2cPzjlxg6MPwoJcltgAcUPCElV1AzJonbt8rDuhA 59.5 chc and 164.5 chd

[stark pike]

good place to start right?

And then roll the talent

[hexed steppe]

yeah, correct rolls are better than max rolls 👍

[hexed steppe]

now have you used this or are you just going off the numbers the app is outputting?

[stark flicker]

I am actively using this

the numbers aren't correct

[hexed steppe]

are you giving numbers before or after killer is procced

[stark flicker]

after I think

[hexed steppe]

are you marking multiple targets

[stark flicker]

ik at some point during combat my damage jumps from 500k/bullet to 800k

ik bullet damage isn't a great metric

[hexed steppe]

thats probably when killer is active

[stark flicker]

my actual stats are 13% wd on each core aside from the chest which is 15/6/12

[hexed steppe]

well with nego the transfer factors in. so an 800k crit, is generating 2,592,000 worth damage across 3 targets for that single crit

[stark pike]

What is a good secondar weapon for OD?

[stark flicker]

tinkerer or nah?

[stark pike]

OD

[stark flicker]

the set or the gloves?

[hexed steppe]

i use carnage and bluescreen on OD. ammo isnt a factor so 2 lmg are fine

[stark pike]

Overdogs*

[stark flicker]

what's the rest of your build

if strikers go for an acs-12

[stark pike]

OD set OD gloves

[hexed steppe]

dont use elmo

[stark flicker]

I wouldn't run elmo the shock rounds overwrite hp

[hexed steppe]

shock ammo removes your amp ammo

[stark flicker]

I'd do either lex/famas 2010 with killer if you really wanna run ar or an mg5/carnage with sadist

[stark pike]

Dont have those guns I have some exotics not reall found a good yellow yet

[stark flicker]

secondary I'd run scorp

[stark flicker]

the police m4 also works

[meager fog]

You NEED an LMG with Sadist, or a Carnage for perfect sadist. Don't use anything else.

[cerulean smelt]

carbine 7 is just as straight shooting as M4 but to me it feels like a lot less damage

[meager fog]

Not using Sadist on an OD build is sacriledge. It's a 30% damage amp wioth 100% up time

[hexed steppe]

bluescreen main is my goto. that weapon is jusy 👨‍🍳 🤌 , carnage is there when something heavier is needed

[cerulean smelt]

f2k maybe too? or is that the one with only 3 mods on it (no under barrel mod)?

[cerulean smelt]

it's just like "i madea a heartbreaker build but not using flatline on my weapons" kind of thing right? 😹

[stark pike]

I have bluescreen

[meager fog]

Pretty much. Sadist makes OD what it is

[hexed steppe]

carnage is easy to farm so get that asap as well

[meager fog]

Although it's more like. I'm using Flatline on my HB build but not the Technicians laser pointer

[stark pike]

just head headshots

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 i know sadist is strictly bleed and reapplication of bleed, but couldn't that forget the name of the status effect talenet they gave us recently be good too? just not as much damage as sadist obviously

[hexed steppe]

countdown lmg target just rains LMG🤦‍♂️ named*

[stark pike]

hit headshots dont need no laserpointer

[cerulean smelt]

shrugs have fun with things that don't have headshot as your damage just plummets 🤣 😹 😆

[meager fog]

It's almost like you've never played Legendary. 🙂 WHy aim for a headshot when you don't have to 👍

[stark flicker]

for rn this is what I'd aim for https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EzC0YBlBGdSh8aSYhAuAHHAzDO0AnKiWqesAGyh5SxgDsZzp86lDu+dDtrLGEDSSwB-ckL6jxYjJTz1OAVnBQlYTCuYUc2ACyhCnaEtgmF6mEoPboVUAaWdOUSjf7t002V9mogA

[stark pike]

I am trying to get a backpack from countdown atm with 10% temp armor set + 10% temp armor on kill talent with CHC and CHD

But thats for my striker build

[cerulean smelt]

why? just us a memento

[stark flicker]

you want the striker bp or memento

[stark pike]

I wanna use overdogs on it so cant use memento

[stark flicker]

no reason to run a he unless it's pairing with intim

[cerulean smelt]

memento gives bonus armor + weapon damage and skill efficiency all in 1

[stark pike]

But memento does not have multipli damage like overdogs

[meager fog]

That's sub optimal for a striker build....

[cerulean smelt]

ah, so you want your damage to further plummet because you want bonus armor? from a backpack talent? 🤔

[stark flicker]

yes but it gives 3% armor regen and a bunch of damage

[meager fog]

Especially when Strikers backpack is the core of a striker build...

[stark pike]

I would think (just feelcraft) that the backpack + overdogs is more damage then memento + something else

[stark flicker]

tryna run striker without the bp is like tryna run od without the chest

[cerulean smelt]

😹 good one

[stark pike]

And the ideal is striker backpack and overdogs

[stark flicker]

yes that gives the most dps

[stark pike]

but then die cuz bad

[stark flicker]

run gunner spec for 10% aok

[meager fog]

As I keep saying in here. Thas'ts not a build issue, that's a playstyle issue

[stark pike]

Yes so I am tailoring my build to my playstyle

ezclap :p

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 drop your chc and put in a pallisade chest for another 10% AOK?

[meager fog]

You are free to do as you wish, but if you wanted a little more survivability with strikers. The best option is to use shield with 1 or 2 blue cores.

[stark flicker]

right but dog is a really offensive exotic and your playstyle doesn't seem like it can use that hyper aggressive exotic

[stark pike]

I play aggro

[cerulean smelt]

so 2 pc immenence in all your builds?

[stark flicker]

for bulky striker's I've only even seen memento plus chest or liquid engineer

[meager fog]

However, thew idea is that eventually you learn to play in a way that compliments the build (not the other way around) this game is not geared towards survivability

[stark pike]

Thats why I die KEKW

[cerulean smelt]

drop strikres and go hunter's fury then maybe?

[stark flicker]

I'm curious is there an offensive gearset that is good without the bp/chest talents

[meager fog]

If you play aggrerssively, then more armour is not going to help you. Armour melts fast in this game. A full blue core build will die just 1 or 2 seconds slower than a full red build wqhile dealing no damage.

[cerulean smelt]

headhunter, hunter's fury maybe?

[meager fog]

Hotshot.

Best in slot for hotshot is chainkiller chest and Vigi Airaldi backpack

[cerulean smelt]

i dunno, i never play that aggressive with that build honestly

[stark flicker]

I've got a spare hunter killer and liquid engineer and I wanted to build around the 2 with dw

[meager fog]

You should, it's RIVETTING

🤣

[cerulean smelt]

i'm not that good. i always go ranged with that set

[hexed steppe]

hhhf is aggressive, high damage. but not very forgiving.

[hexed steppe]

im sure determined takes the skill right out of it tho

[meager fog]

Headhunters fury is insane damage

[hexed steppe]

js

[cerulean smelt]

even though i use handbasket as my main weapon

[meager fog]

Nothing skillful about hip firing a sniper rifle at 3 feet gotta be honest lmao

[cerulean smelt]

i don't trust hip firing in these games (1 or 2)

[meager fog]

Hip firing a HH Determined Sniper in this game is like firing a cheaply made Nuke.... it's going to land somewhere....just not necessarily in the same state you aimed it at.

[cerulean smelt]

maybe the only hip firing i'd trust is harvest? 🤔 but i feel better aiming than anything anyways

[meager fog]

i hip fire LMGs quite alot, the spread and spawn lock can be insane.

[stark pike]

This is the build I wanted to get the backpack for

[meager fog]

Ceska > Fenris

[cerulean smelt]

troll youtube build?

let me guess. they had "godly" in their title and really well cut clips showing them owning their runs but you never ever see them go down?

[stark pike]

Getting a ceska thats the correct reds so you can roll talent is not easy

[hexed steppe]

just build it like it is with a ceska oblit chest

easier than you think

[cerulean smelt]

oh? not glass cannon? (> <)

[hexed steppe]

it rolls red, so likely red attributes

[meager fog]

And use gunner spec for Aok

[hexed steppe]

yeah

[stark pike]

Specials are up in the air for a while I know gunner is ideal

but I gotta level them all up so

[hexed steppe]

i would revive like there already is. gunner pulse is good, emp sticky is good

[stark pike]

Yea I know but like I said above i did run with it till gunner got maxed out

[hexed steppe]

can also shield to pop up as you run for cover or something

[stark flicker]

how does od (set) interact with bk?

[hexed steppe]

personally i like stuff that staggers

[stark flicker]

how many rounds of ammo do I get 0 infinite smth in between

[stark pike]

Is there a ceska zone farm today by any chance?

[cerulean smelt]

even better, shield and Say Cheese and blind half the room (> <)

[hexed steppe]

i think 100. whatever the base mag is for that weapon

[stark pike]

Shield with cool skills is no bueno

[stark flicker]

open your map and look

[cerulean smelt]

faster to find your ceska chest in CD challenging though

[hexed steppe]

revive with cool skills is nogo either

[stark pike]

Nah you just dont use scan till revive got proc'd

Skills? What skills never heard of em

[meager fog]

BUllet King has awful base damage,o don't use it.

Also you're missing the 30% Sadist damage amp.

[stark flicker]

not planning on it just curious how many rounds you get

[cerulean smelt]

shouldn't you be using a highend with Streamline then?

[stark pike]

So tired of CD with people who open chrashing boxes

[hexed steppe]

if youre considering using bloodsucker for survivability, why are you bothering with cool skills and reducing your ability to counteract serious damage

[meager fog]

Jammer and Riot foam/Decoy with Cool skills. Can tailor to your need.

[onyx sage]

you get 100 rounds

[stark pike]

Because I feel like I am not playing the game correctly if ideally i cant have all the mods on and get max XP and max difficulty

[hexed steppe]

so legs then

[onyx sage]

you can do all this stuff with full red, no bloodsucker and all that stuff fyi

[meager fog]

^

[cerulean smelt]

we're all not at your level yet (> <)

[meager fog]

Full red DPS build can clear Legendary.

[stark pike]

I wanted to make an OD build so I could also put pistelero on

[meager fog]

Pistolero is broken, don't use it until it's fixed.

[hexed steppe]

determined hotshot can do that as well

[cerulean smelt]

how is it broken?

[hexed steppe]

reloads your weapon

[stark flicker]

od bypasses that by generating a buncha ammo

[cerulean smelt]

ah, lol that's seriously broken

[stark pike]

Do you target ceska or chests when you want a cheska chest

[hexed steppe]

ceska

[cerulean smelt]

ceska brand

only 6 pieces to filter through. the chest you got too much

[meager fog]

Always target brand or gear set. UNless for weapons obviously.

[hexed steppe]

brands always target brand, exotic you target type

[meager fog]

Exotic use the retaliation blue prints. Much faster and a far higher drop rate 😛

[hexed steppe]

7-8 if you include the named on brands 🤓

[hexed steppe]

which faction drop the overdog blueprints

[cerulean smelt]

nods pretty much done with the exotic BP farm. probably a small handful left i think?

[meager fog]

Nothin this season, but retal is permanent they'll be added next season.

Also. Literally nothing drops overdogs this season 😉

[cerulean smelt]

maybe when they stream again, they'll give us an insight of who'll drop it next season?

[hexed steppe]

[meager fog]

Perhaps, who knows

[cerulean smelt]

think they'll stream monday? to give us a "this halloween event"?

was thinking earlier, hope that Tech overdrive will become some kind of season modifier. you know you complete a journey you get +1 to all cores kind of thing. at 6 skill teir caps out but 7 and 8 just gives us skill efficiency. would be interesting to see what kind of bulids that season goes for

give youtubers more content "this season Backfire is back for the whole season!" and people try to build it 😹

[meager fog]

Backfire iddn't go anywhere, it's still a decent gun tbh

[daring blade]

Is there a point to extracting core attributes before level 30? Because once you get to 31 you have to start over right?

[cerulean smelt]

i know but last season was it? every armor core you got 7.5% hazard protection? yet we got a slew of people coming here asking how to get this Yaahl chest and when they're like i have to pvp for it?

but people like you, local and mrchow has to show people you can get that damage without that specific build but they don't listen to you guys anyways

[cerulean smelt]

@meager fog if you had all the named items. what one's would you use?

[hexed steppe]

anyone know if duration has a big impact on smartcover?

[young tide]

I agree, just spam Countdown on heroic and you will eventually get it, I was able to get a ceska torso with the good rolls yesterday after 19 try. Just needed to roll obli talent.

Btw @meager fog, I just reached full stuff (with max stats on my ceska torso and other pieces), and it slaps. Thank you so much.

[hexed steppe]

highend hh is pretty much all named items

[cerulean smelt]

far as i've tried it, doesn't seem to affect it too much, but maybe i just have too high of a standards

[hexed steppe]

havent used it yet but weighing a measured assembly healer/smartcover build

[cerulean smelt]

how's this for all named build?

[hexed steppe]

use skilltier on the picaros, and use gift bag

[lucid tundra]

The builds still gonna be ass

[stark pike]

@meager fog What are those glow boots you use?

[cerulean smelt]

hmm, still not as good as dorky, local or average but not too bad for a run eh?

[meager fog]

LED shoes I think

[meager fog]

I would love Perfect killer if the G36 wasnt absolute ass 🤣

[meager fog]

You're welcome

[lilac rampart]

For an LMG what attribute am I looking for specifically? I'm guessing damage to armor?

[cerulean smelt]

depends on your build. if you're crit focused Chance more likely

[lilac rampart]

ahh copy thank u brother

[meager fog]

Crit chance for all except Tipping Scales (Then RoF)

[lilac rampart]

copyyy

[hexed steppe]

im not good, i just let my team carry me as i critique their builds all mission

[alpine tinsel]

Would imperial dynasty with iron lung and pyromaniac be overkill with sanitization

[cerulean smelt]

ID is horrible in general. has an extremely long cool down

say you got 2 guys rushing you one 1 foot behind the other. the first one will get set on fire while the second has free reign to shoot you and keep going after you

[alpine tinsel]

Oh wth

Well i was thinking about pairing those guns with negotiators dilemma, should i just use coyotes instead?

[cerulean smelt]

but give i a shot with your build. maybe it'll be good or you'll see what i'm saying and realize it's horrible too XD

[cerulean smelt]

i would or overdogs

[alpine tinsel]

Word up, thanks

[meager fog]

breathes in heavily

OVVVEEEEERRDOOOOOOOOOOOGS.

Thanks

Im unsure whether I'm going to end up getting them nerfed 🤣

But it will be fun while it lasts

[meager fog]

Where was the revive?

[onyx sage]

listen i know i need to get exotics

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 i honestly forget but it was fairly close to the end of the mission

[meager fog]

Im not great, I'm just here so that Chow doesn't have an aneurism trying to fend everyone off himself 🤣

[hexed steppe]

fr , especially that mortar pistol

[onyx sage]

i don't have anyone to play with sir

am only solo player

[cerulean smelt]

my 2nd run using lud and purist 7 seconds slower with 1 revive. probably samish place lol

[hexed steppe]

wonder what reaction this gets...
smartcover realistically gonna start at tier 5, but it put kard custom in hand for the screenshot.
roast it, helps me remove weakness🔥 🔥
also still weighing capacitor or scorpio, crit may just swap to duration and haste

[cerulean smelt]

let me know how it fares in your standards 🙏

[onyx sage]

no weakness detected

[hexed steppe]

settles it, build guide incoming

[onyx sage]

thank me later with your new 10k subs

[stark pike]

I hate that these orange boxes in Countdown can randomly chrash you even if you didnt open it.
I hate people dont know and just open them.
But most of all I hate that its not fixed

[onyx sage]

mkv isn't playable on discord sadly

[cerulean smelt]

what do you use with obs?

[onyx sage]

i use mkv too, i'm just saying it doesn't play on discord cuz discord doesn't support it. i use a converter to convert it to mp4 for sharing

but for recording mkv is one of the best formats because if the recording somehow stops or crashes, mp4 will be unusable unless you stop recording, mkv will record up to the point of crash

[cerulean smelt]

never really used OBS before so wasn't sure if i needed to change the format it saves to. thanks @onyx sage

[onyx sage]

if you're just casually recording no harm going with mp4

[cerulean smelt]

nods was just trying to record my lincoln run with an all named build i showed earlier

suppose when i convert it, if i manage it successfully i can't edit my previous message with the new mp4 clip attached?

[onyx sage]

i would just upload as a new message

[cerulean smelt]

nods wouldn't let me add the new clip. so get to have fun XD

[rich lotus]

I just got a perfect rolled coyote mask. Would ceska still be better with that for group or run the grupo chest

[subtle bluff]

Ceska is always good for any DPS build.

If you're group doesn't have one sure it's good.

[hexed steppe]

what do you use to convert?

[onyx sage]

handbrake

[hexed steppe]

its easier than that if you use obs

i think there is a setting to make it automatic, ive only needed to use it a couple times tho

[onyx sage]

ah nice

handbrake lets me customize a lot of stuff and i'm used to it by now

[cerulean smelt]

thanks @hexed steppe was about to ask that myself, but i just attempted to use it in VLC lol

@meager fog can laugh at how i play, changed to Lud and Purist for the video just for fun

[hexed steppe]

this is the he you posted a bit ago?

[solar sable]

I ain't watching that schlong video

[subtle bluff]

NERD!! jk jk

[onyx sage]

this guy

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, but instead of caretaker/darkwinter i went Lud/Purist

[silent storm]

Alright we got one now what are we doing with this piece?

[subtle bluff]

We….

[limber furnace]

sell it on ebay lol

[silent storm]

I have a concept of a build was just wondering if there was an established use for it

[subtle bluff]

On that note how’s that leggo run going?

[silent storm]

That damn croc room is tough man I need more DPS

And it takes awhile to get there so trying a new build for it with overwhelming force and a decoy

[subtle bluff]

That’s actually the easiest room for me….

[silent storm]

I tried firefly on the chunga and I still got demolished

[limber furnace]

@silent storm what's that ? you are trying a solo legendary ?

[silent storm]

I mean I solo a lot

[subtle bluff]

We can see that with your “concepts”

[silent storm]

I mean the game is learning the spawns and defeating them before they become a problem.

It's just that room I get overwhelmed and it is hard to recover. Need more DPS and since no shield was condition I am trying decoy

[subtle bluff]

There were conditions?

Only thing I remember you saying something along you use to solo leggo zoo with m1a.

[silent storm]

Yeah I was wrong it wasn't zoo

and it was all red no shield

And I was thinking of Mad Bomber and PUF because then I will amp up faster due to stacks doubling on grenade kills

And I still need a Frenzy 249 B so I can go in with low ammo, start condition and then get Frenzy buff right out the gate

Or just any good LMG with it

But haven't gotten that yet

I have a Stoner LAMG with it but I feel like the lower rate of fire is hurting it. Plus it was really low rolled so still haven't maxxed it out yet

[cloud sluice]

Wondering what the perfect combo of blue and yellow cores for full shield strength is? 🤔

[subtle bluff]

There isn't. If you things aren't dying fast enough you'll get overran quicker.

[cloud sluice]

So if I'm running striker or heartbreaker how do I keep my shield from breaking?

[subtle bluff]

Doing more damage to get ads off the field.
2. Use LoS

I don't use shields on strikers.

[last stirrup]

https://youtu.be/XcIAgDZ7KjA

[subtle bluff]

Strikers no shield run thru heroic.

[rich cosmos]

An alternative starting out for striker is using unbreakable/exodus gloves if you struggle with survivability

[cloud sluice]

Exodus gloves? 🤔 Only SHD 958 so still pretty new to TD2 tbh

[rich cosmos]

Exodus gloves deploy a smoke bomb on armor break, the smoke bomb itself isn’t important but what is important is for 3 seconds the game classifies you out of cover, meaning enemies won’t knowingly aim at you and you’ll get back all your armor as long as an enemy doesn’t see you, its basically better unbreakable with a shorter cooldown and it doesn’t use a chest talent

[subtle bluff]

*cover combat you mean.

[rich cosmos]

Something something

[cloud sluice]

No Turmoils 🤔

[subtle bluff]

Turmoil is kind of a trap tbh.

You do HALF your damage to the target your shooting.

[rich cosmos]

Turmoil is not a good choice unless you know exactly what you are doing

[subtle bluff]

Gonna point at the video that was post again. That's the standard striker build no shield all reds.

[cloud sluice]

I have used striker a lot and have a fully optimised build but have never used obliterate talent, Currently using heartbreaker as its more forgiving, striker is amazing but can be a painful experience when not in zone 😒

[meager fog]

Shield on Strikers is meant to be used as more of an emergency cover if you find yourself stranded for any reason.

Its not a permanent thing

Its actually beneficial to you if you stop using it

[meager fog]

That wasnt terrible. Sounds silly but you know using an extended magazine would improve your time and survivability quite alot 😄

[subtle bluff]

ND BP is much much better than NBB..

[bold osprey]

Nevemind I went back to strikers and overdogs

[hexed steppe]

tf is that

[hexed steppe]

you miss the umbra piece? 😂

[bold osprey]

threw some shit in bruh 🤣

[hexed steppe]

true statement

nego is a good set, but not like that

and not as a 3pc

[bold osprey]

Yeah ninja backpack would give +1 on it though

[hexed steppe]

you only used 2 nego

so you 3pc it there

nego basically interchangeable with whatever striker set you are using if you want to give it an actual shot at performing well

[gentle lichen]

On what

[bold osprey]

I deleted the pic build was cheeks

[hexed steppe]

unrelated to this discord. #off-topic-discussions , they also have an official discord

[bold osprey]

Got max CHD CHC Skill duration mods first countdown

[cloud sluice]

Been using a determined build with headhunter and vigilance but wondered if unstoppable force works as well? 🤔

[meager fog]

Vigilance is best in slot talent for HH

Not least because it increases first shot damage

[subtle bluff]

Yes but it would be working backwards for what you want.

[subtle bluff]

TWD

[meager fog]

Duh. My bad

[subtle bluff]

concussion would be what you would be looking for if you would be using determined

[cloud sluice]

Less damage than vigilance and unstoppable force though

[subtle bluff]

no same...

[gentle lichen]

What

You can argue uptime between the three

[meager fog]

Vigilance has near 100% uptime (since Hotshot Determined stacks bonus armour)

Unstoppable force doesn't help with initial shot, which is where you need it most

[subtle bluff]

I think we're not reading the talents fully is the issue.

[hexed steppe]

does unstoppable force start fully stacked, like how vigilance is front loaded...

[meager fog]

Nope. Need a kill to proc the first stack. Which is counter productive

[hexed steppe]

it was rhetorical

[meager fog]

Ive not had coffee yet 😆

[subtle bluff]

Vigilance Increases total weapon damage by 25%. Taking damage disables this buff for 4s.

`Concussion
Headshots increase total weapon damage by 10% for 1.5s. 5s with marksman rifles.
Headshot kills increase total weapon damage by 15% for 10s.

Both buffs can be active for an increase of 25% total weapon damage`

Unstoppable Force Killing an enemy increases total weapon damage by 5% for 15s. Stacks up to 5 times.

[meager fog]

Here's it put simply:

Vigilance is active all the time.

Unstoppable force does not help at all with first shot.

Neither does concussion

Vigilance description is misleading because it stays active as long as you have bonus armour.

[subtle bluff]

All the time isn't 100% true but it's should up for the most important shot.

[gentle lichen]

Imagine a world where pistols were also given the 5 second uptime like marksmans 😔

[subtle bluff]

Seriously I'd use then.

I've been trying to practince more with Reggie but I'm just not that quick.

[gentle lichen]

I got the instincts but the bumass enemies keep putting their hands in their face

[meager fog]

Half my enemies seem to have a stone in their shoe or walk with a limp....never keep their heads still. Snipers nightmare

[cloud sluice]

I'm running 3 piece hotshot, Chainkiller with perfect headhunter, Overdogs and police sw backpack as The Gift is alluding me the targeted loot with SR 1 mmr, Can I do better other than everything being fully optimised? 🤔

[hexed steppe]

unstoppable needs 5 kills to match vigilance. not sure what was untrue about the statement mentioning that unstoppable doesnt provide first shot damage like vigilance does

[subtle bluff]

Talking about Vigila statement

[subtle bluff]

Not using Gift is one.

[meager fog]

Backpack should be Airaldi high end Vigilance

[cloud sluice]

Interesting 🤔

[subtle bluff]

You have enough HSD getting more WD is better.

[cloud sluice]

Difference between Vigilance and perfect vigilance is only 1 second though

[meager fog]

The entire purpose of the build is to squeeze as much from that initial shot as you physically can, to ensure that it kills outright. The rest os handled by HH and Determined

[hexed steppe]

what about it was untrue?

[subtle bluff]

Vigilance is active all the time.

[hexed steppe]

in a perfect world it potentially can be tho

[meager fog]

The original statement (a few messages before that) was that Vigilance has near perfect uptime. Which is more accurate

As long as you dont overreach or play peak a boo with a minigun chunga it SHOULD be active for 99% of any run

[rich lotus]

@meager fog what are your thoughts of running overdog with turmoil?

[subtle bluff]

You still doing half your damage you would do normally..

[rich lotus]

Okay I’ll stick with ceska and obliterate 😂

Is there any better guns than the st Elmo to be ran with striker, ceska chest and overdog?

[subtle bluff]

Iron Lung?

[meager fog]

Turmoil are flat out bad for most builds.

Outside of HH Determined they're just awful

[meager fog]

Blue Screen is good, offers really nice CC benefits.

Iron Lung also, for the same reason.

LMGs work just fine with Strikers. The set does not require the use of any particular weapon.

The only thing you need to think about is the RoF, you want something over 900Rpm ideally

[fierce olive]

this is my current bluescreen ongoing directive build. i´m still a pretty low level, and heroic is tough sometimes. should i change something?

[subtle bluff]

CHC is too low

[fierce olive]

idk how to get either higher, i can´t optimize anything

[subtle bluff]

it's your main issue

You still low keep grinding out stuff and get your library maxed out

All the guides are in the build hub

[meager fog]

COncentrate on getting your watch maxed out

[fierce olive]

fastest way for that? or should i just grind whatever?

[meager fog]

Control points

on the highest difficulty you can manage, with the most active directives you can take

[subtle bluff]

countdown

In build hub guides for it

[fierce olive]

should i maybe grind for better pieces too? i thought i´d maybe get the ressources to upgrade at some point

challenging is manageable

[meager fog]

Only optimise things that are almost max rolls. At most 4 away

By that I mean 4 optimisations will max ALL attributes

[fierce olive]

is that build even good i´m using?

[meager fog]

It's not optimal, The backpack and Mask can be changed later

[fierce olive]

i really dont want to use tinkerer as bluescreen is pretty cool, what would be my options

[meager fog]

Overdogs gloves and Ongoing Directive Mask

[fierce olive]

alright i got those gloves

[meager fog]

Although you're missing a huge chunk of damage by not using Carnage

[patent fossil]

Ceska wicked backpack would be the usual choice

[meager fog]

^

[fierce olive]

alright i´ll keep an eye out for it

[meager fog]

You're 10% CHC short from your watch, and 8% short by not using ceska backpack

• not having optimised pieces

For now, go to Countdown and relentlessly farm for the following:

OD Mask - WD, CHC
OD Chest - WD, CHC, CHD
Ceska Backpack - WD, CHC, CHD + Wicked Talent
OD Holster - WD, CHD
OD Kneepads - WD, CHD

[subtle bluff]

I mean it doesn't matter on the OD

[fierce olive]

thanks a lot

[meager fog]

Try to get the highest rolls you can

[fierce olive]

i will

[meager fog]

You'll also need some high roled CHD mods

Preferrably 11%+

[fierce olive]

those have been tough to find

[meager fog]

You can target farm them at Countdown, same as anything else

[rich lotus]

Control point has them farmable today. Have had decent luck getting high ones on heroic

[silent storm]

Any of you guys here and want this piece?

[gentle lichen]

We appreciate your enthusiasm citizen

[stark pike]

I was so close to build this but if its already being worked on (I searched for github to see) whats the status on this?

Also idk how good this is exactly but it feels very compfy
(ignore specialzations)

It feels like you just gurantee overdogs value without much thought

Also tried with pestilience and it just idk, its good but it does not "feel" as good

[patent fossil]

Swap the chest for ceska and it's pretty much the meta nego build, one of the strongest builds in the game when played well

[stark pike]

I have yet to find a ceska that is rolled correctly

Are there any tricks i might have not figured out @patent fossil that you can share??

RE: played correctly.

[rich lotus]

What’s the fastest way to get the second and third one for upgrades

[magic pilot]

Crafting them if you have the blueprint

[rich lotus]

I don’t. How do I get those?

[patent fossil]

Nothing non-obvious, just making sure you pretty much always have three enemies tagged and are unloading on one that gets the overdogs amp.

Tagging more enemies (if they're available) won't help the nego side of things but will increase the number of enemies CCd by bluescreen

[stark pike]

I thought that it would be better to tag the overdogs target shoot someone that is not overdogs so you transfer 112 and then x 30% it

not the other way around where its 100 x 30% and then transfer at 112%

Though honestly right now I am not putting that much thought iinto it in terms of when I actually play.

[woeful zodiac]

Guys is the build good?

I'm keeping the nemesis as a filler for the shroud

[patent fossil]

The transferred damage is based on the damage you actually do to the primary target, so that initial amp boosts the damage that then gets passed on to the others.
When nego passes the damage along to the other tagged enemies it doesn't recalculate it, except to add more damage to armour if applicable.

[onyx sage]

^, and also feel free to confirm with us how damage formula works

usually there are a lot more hidden interactions, sadly what you are thinking of (overdogs double dipping nd damage) is not one of them

[solar sable]

use this instead
#td2-build-advice message

And you also need the right attributes

[subtle bluff]

I swear Turmoil...

[solar sable]

meta combo ninjabike + Turmoil yes yes yes

[subtle bluff]

At that point HHF is just better and safer.

[solar sable]

thing is that newer players need to understand how the build is used to its max

how to squeeze as much dmg as possible

[stark pike]

@subtle bluff Incase you didnt see

[subtle bluff]

uh.. you're linking to something from 2024 what are you asking?

[stark pike]

Yeah, you where working on a builds website? Did you finish it?

I was considering if I should try and make something but would be unified like you said in that post.

[subtle bluff]

Buildstation.app

It was made looked like it got unpinned.

Nvm

[stark pike]

How did you get all the data and such, do massive have an API for D2?

[subtle bluff]

Wasn't me. It all manually and time.

No we don't have a API.

[stark pike]

Damn that's rough though.

That's a lot of manual scraping

[meager fog]

People do the work when something is needed

[stark pike]

Out of my own curiousty what stack did you guys use?

[subtle bluff]

Your welcome to join the discord and ask these questions. This is getting off topic here.

I am just a support guy I don't code.

[pure hamlet]

Hi everyone. I was wondering if I can farm the Turmoil kneepads by targetting kneepads in Countdown?

[stark pike]

nope cant get them except when specificed in exclusive events

[pure hamlet]

ah

[meager fog]

PSA: You don't want, or need them, they are poor for most, if not all but one, builds.

[fiery gust]

Wild how people still think they're BiS for everything.

[meager fog]

The power of youtubers

[fiery gust]

Facts.

[meager fog]

Turmoil Kneepads have to be one of the greatest April fools pranks of all time

[stark pike]

Recoil on Carnage is ass holy moly

[hexed steppe]

use bluescreen, great handling

[stark pike]

Yea I love bluescreen its better then most ARs BUT if I wanna try OD I have been told Carnage must use by mr dork

[patent fossil]

Carnage will hit a lot harder than bluescreen on OD.
But Tinkerer and a couple of high end lmgs with the right talents will hit harder still

[bold osprey]

Is 52/202 overkill?

[hexed steppe]

i personally use od with carnage and bs. ill get ammo in both, but i use bs a lot more because i can stagger anything anytime with it. ill use carnage on heavier enemies, but 90% of the time, bluescreen is melting everything anyways. sometimes there is more utility along with damage for some weapons and bluescreen firmly sits in that spot

this ss was taken before overdogs, so you would likely use those gloves over coyote

[meager fog]

My personal opinion is this:

You're building around two things with OD:

Hollowpoint ammo

And Damage amps.

Hollowpoint ammo gives a 50% damage amp using the OD chest. This is massive, its a core of your build.

Overdogs adds a further 30% AMP for prioritising targets.

Using carnage adds a yet further 35% damage amp for simply existing on the build.

Now if you dont like the Carnage, because yes it doesnt handle well if you're not used to it. ANY LMG with Sadist on it is fine. GR9 is probably the closest you can get to assault rifle handling in an LMG.

As LD said, Blue screen is an option, and gives you ALOT of crowd control if its something you want or need.

GR9 has its drawbacks, but it also has an insane base 200 magazine with laser like accuracy at mid range.

What you also have to understand about LMGs is that they handle better stationary, and get better the longer you hold the trigger.

Reticle bloom is a mechanic that improves over time the longer you hold the trigger, with an LMG you start with a massive reticle, which shrinks quickly as you hold the trigger. The accuracy stat dictates the initial size of the reticle, enabling you to reach better accuracy faster

[subtle bluff]

We have some weapon handling stuff that’s we’ve found just hard to translate it.

LMG is just synergistic with OD and ammo.
I’m probably have to go be thru my OD heroic run thru with weapons LMG reload killed my run thru and had to use something else to keep it up.

[stark pike]

What builds are you guys using for SHD exposed?