td2-build-advice

[subtle bluff]

assuming makes me an ass

[meager fog]

#td2-build-advice message

Smg + killer > St Elmos up close. By a long way

[worn imp]

nah ur G

[red island]

I'd smack that

[worn imp]

wait remind me... running 1 piece of grupo in the case of my build is worse than just straight up 8% DTooC from fox's prayer right?

[onyx sage]

it feels fine but a smg will do more

it kills in half the time in close range for a good one

[worn imp]

is this the case?

[silent storm]

First reroll.

How can I make this tankier and still do good DPS?

[cerulean smelt]

seeing a lot of blue attributes, a lot will say change those to chance until you're in the 55-60% range then damage. new chest and new gloves will help too

fyi: pestilence ticks doesn't ramp up with the striker weapon damage stacks for some odd reason

[silent storm]

This is my chest

[subtle bluff]

It’s not a AMP source is like how I like to explain it.

If you scroll up you’ll see stuff for Pesti.

[subtle bluff]

You don’t. If you want you go Heartbreaker.

[silent storm]

I have armor regen blues

[subtle bluff]

Have you read how much they do?

Then look at the amount of armor you have.

[silent storm]

maxed at 4925 /s

I use healing drone and have 20% healing on my Contractor's Gloves

[subtle bluff]

In short Regen Skill mods are trash they do lil to nothing.

[subtle bluff]

That is not the way.

Healing yourself while fighting things that do way more than you can heal for isn’t the way

[silent storm]

So what do I change the blues to?

[subtle bluff]

Bullets hurt and there a lot of it. The best way to deal with it is remove the sources off of the field.

[silent storm]

So just go full red on my Striker then and forget the blues?

[cerulean smelt]

forget the blues and yellows

[silent storm]

well the yellows are there because I haven't gotten anything better yet

[subtle bluff]

Yellow/Skill are used for more dedicated builds.

You can recalibrate stats.

[silent storm]

I know what yellow is I have multiple all yellow builds that kick ass

Ceska Vyroba doesn't have a craftable chest though so I just picked the best one I can put Obliterate on

Because they said that is the best for Striker

[subtle bluff]

“Kick ass” in what sense?

Ceska Chest with Obil/GC is really strong.

[silent storm]

This one is really good

[subtle bluff]

🤢

[silent storm]

Striker turret and I swap between Clusters, Drone and BFB

[subtle bluff]

I mean I'd rather just use HW and spam Cluster mines

Every 4-5s...

[cerulean smelt]

i enjoy my mortar build for that

probably make you puke too honestly (> <)

[subtle bluff]

I did HW Cluster/Mortar.

[silent storm]

Best backpack in the game as far as I am concerned

[subtle bluff]

Nah... Mortar if used right is super strong.

[silent storm]

Mortars are also really damned good

[subtle bluff]

Memento gives more than that easily.

[silent storm]

I don't have that yet

[subtle bluff]

The BP isn't used in any meta build.

[silent storm]

Got to go to war with the army you have

[subtle bluff]

army? gear?

[silent storm]

Yeah like I don't have Momento so I need to do without it

[subtle bluff]

You don't need it.

[silent storm]

You just said it gives more than what I have easily

I like my yellow builds though, some of them are really only good on some checkpoints though. That one I can take into Legendaries though and hold my own. Striker Turret is stupid strong.

[subtle bluff]

I was replying to this...

[subtle bluff]

How can you hold your own in leggo but only good on some CP?

That's not how that works.

Have you looked your results at the end screen?

[silent storm]

No I have other yellow builds for CP that are cheese

[subtle bluff]

95% of skills build on leggo good at doing good overall dmg.

Cheese? Like what?

You speak with a lot of energy for someone that's still very new to Div2.

[silent storm]

Oxidizer and Turret or Oxi/BFB

[subtle bluff]

BFB?

[silent storm]

Big Fracking Bomb

[subtle bluff]

Oxi and Turret takes forever to clear a Heroic CP so Idk how that's cheese.

[subtle bluff]

Which one? Stick bomb? Bomb Drone?

My chem is bigger

[silent storm]

If you think that I don't know what you are doing wrong, you must not have Status Effects up

[subtle bluff]

LOL SORRY WHAT?

[silent storm]

Sticky Bomb

In D1 it is BFB

[subtle bluff]

I never played Div1 so wouldn't know.

[subtle bluff]

oxi cloud isn't a Status Effect

[silent storm]

Well maybe it is just me launching so many and blowing them up that is the key

[subtle bluff]

Status Effect works with CC effects.

[subtle bluff]

There are better ways you're thinking small.

[silent storm]

I'm thinking what works until someone shows me otherwise lol

[subtle bluff]

Almost anything works will work up to solo heroic. Doesn't mean it's good.

[cerulean smelt]

@subtle bluff can you convince the developers to give us a tactician exotic. i do miss my hand nuke from div 1 (> <)

[silent storm]

BTSU Datagloves can be used with Stinger Hive

[cerulean smelt]

you're learning

[subtle bluff]

First on balance TU first then sure.

[silent storm]

I was replying to @cerulean smelt

[subtle bluff]

God if I coud use my other reacts...

[cerulean smelt]

why me? i barely said anything, just until you mentioned a fact most players know as they read how BTSU works

[subtle bluff]

Did you even watch the clip I posted?

[silent storm]

You wanted a Tactician Exotic

[hazy steeple]

We playing nice today?

[subtle bluff]

Like nothing about how that was done even?

[subtle bluff]

HEY I can't be too blunt I've gotten in trouble for that.

[cerulean smelt]

probably why you can't use your other reacts (> <)

[silent storm]

About the burn yeah I've seen that a bunch of times

[subtle bluff]

So you think that's not good using one or 2 burn things ever to clear all of that wasn't special?

[silent storm]

I mean this kit does almost the same thing

[subtle bluff]

Show me a clip of you using the skill one or twice clear an area.

I mean heck. I didn't even use a skill. I flamed 2 people.

[silent storm]

Yeah I saw that

[subtle bluff]

I don't see how your build can do the same.

[cerulean smelt]

maybe it can, just takes 10 times longer than yours?

[silent storm]

Should I use this with my Ortiz: Exuro build?

[subtle bluff]

What do you mean..

[ivory comet]

What’s happening..?

[cerulean smelt]

you don't want to know

[subtle bluff]

Um.. “Stuff”

[ivory comet]

I’m interested in the 50mil canister to the target dummies dome though

[subtle bluff]

Trying to teach?

[ivory comet]

This

[subtle bluff]

It’s thing… Just showing that if you understand how to stack your dmg. You can do silly stuff.

[cerulean smelt]

i can say part of it is Chainkiller or Headhunter and healing chem hitting the targets head

[subtle bluff]

That’s 1/3 of it… but yes.

[silent storm]

Doesn't let me equip it

[cerulean smelt]

what's that revolver icon?

[subtle bluff]

It’s a spec weapon you need to have the spec equipped.

[silent storm]

You mean you still have to go to the WH and change spec?

[subtle bluff]

Weapon Handler?

[cerulean smelt]

no, if you got that spec in a loadout you can change to that loadout and you'll be that spec

[subtle bluff]

Oh White House.

That would be OP to be able carry all the different spec weapons.

[silent storm]

yet you can with loadouts

[subtle bluff]

But you can’t change them in combat.

[silent storm]

So many places in missions you are out of combat

[subtle bluff]

Yes that’s normal. Idk why you’re telling us this.

[silent storm]

Seems arbitrary

[subtle bluff]

Um… you’re the one that asked.

[silent storm]

But like you can change the loadout in a mission

So why not spec?

You lost the special ammo anyway

From loadout change

[subtle bluff]

I’m lost.

[silent storm]

I change loadouts sometimes in missions are you telling me my spec isn't changing as well?

I never paid attention to it because I don't use spec often honestly unless I am sharpshooter

[stable tree]

If your other loadout has a different spec, then yes, you are changing specs as you are changing loadouts

[silent storm]

This game changed a lot in the last 2 years man

[cerulean smelt]

probably because i was saying you can load up a loadout with a specialization to change without going to whitehouse to change each time

[silent storm]

but you can't change a spec outside of the WH if it is not in loadout

[subtle bluff]

I’ve only been playing for 20 months eh.. Not really.

[cerulean smelt]

another statement most people know

[subtle bluff]

You’d assume to a degree if I’m showing some “interesting” videos.

I miss Six12

[amber gyro]

Soo ummm Tinkerer build?

[silent storm]

I played up to and into the first expansion. Then I left for a good bit and just came back a couple weeks ago because I got a sale on the Brooklyn expansion in my email for the collectors edition for $15. I didn't even know D2 had a new expansion even though I have recently played a lot of D1

[subtle bluff]

OD Tinkerer is meta for it. Look for it in the PInned messages.

[silent storm]

I do like Division 2 though and now it seems they added a bunch of stuff I am still figuring out

[cerulean smelt]

how'd they nerf it?

[subtle bluff]

Base WD and Reload speed.

[cerulean smelt]

ahh, was that when they did a mass 'balance' phase?

[subtle bluff]

TU22

It was needed is most ways if they did the same with least used gear and weapons it would be interesting.

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, year 6 season 2, feel that was definitely the "balance" they did with all gears and weapons

[silent storm]

I have noticed that a lot more people in Div 2 use Shields now. As a D3-FNC player that probably has one of the best shield builds ever, how does it compare to D1 D3-FNC builds?

[subtle bluff]

I almost never use shields.

As far as I’ve learned Div 2 is nothing like Div 1 in most things

[cerulean smelt]

only times i use the shield before this season was for those "melee npcs or melee kill npcs" objectives. now i just use it with my 1 shot pistol build and Say cheese modifier. quite entertaining

[hazy steeple]

As much as I loved d3, it ain't got nothing on a tank setup in div2.

Artificer Hive alone

[silent storm]

I need this build

[hazy steeple]

As with all worthwhile builds in div2: the spreadsheet provides.

[silent storm]

I loved D3 and have a totally optimized one and can tank all of D1 without breaking a sweatr

[silent storm]

it has a build there?

What's the name

[cerulean smelt]

link to spreadsheet

[silent storm]

Speadsheet 2 got it

[hazy steeple]

As for specific builds: just look around, any that have a shield, usually have a "tank" variant.

(also check out LocakDeck's setups, those are my personal go-to)

[cerulean smelt]

rivens got me hooked on some odd red eclicipse shield say cheese blinder firefly build of some sort. hopefully i got the pieces needed

[silent storm]

What is your tank build?

[hazy steeple]

The most important piece in it is your willingness to use Blinder Firefly in 2025.
the rest will flow.

@silent storm Pfft, who uses tank setups.

[silent storm]

Will I need to get a maxed Apartment instead of a House in this economy?

[cerulean smelt]

about only tank build i know is for Iron Horse. anything else it's pretty frowned upon

[hazy steeple]

by the time of div3, it's going to be "tent under the freeway".

div4 is "flatshare in texas".

[silent storm]

I have an Iron Lung is that the same thing?

[subtle bluff]

It’s more that it’s not efficient

The raid Iron Horse….

[silent storm]

Div 5 Tent in the Woods

[hazy steeple]

Iron Horse is an old-timey term for a Train.

I can only assume "Dark Hours" is because the airport wants you to arrive 6 hours early for no reason.

[cerulean smelt]

believe the correc tank term is "stagger tank"?

haven't ran iron horse in forever so i don't remember or know if it's still being used

[subtle bluff]

No you’re right

[hallow arch]

Is ortiz exuro a good gear set?

[cerulean smelt]

think i only remembered becuse it was used for last boss right? to keep the boss from doing the artilery as much?

[subtle bluff]

Not really it’s something people build for fun.

[cerulean smelt]

a weaponcored one is fairly fun
but if you're thinking of the spreading fire bit
eclipse protocol does that so much better

[hallow arch]

Ahh, noted lol

[subtle bluff]

EP is way more fun.

[cerulean smelt]

FYI: exuro was something most div 1 players was thinking would've been firecrest 2.0 but disappointed us 😹

[silent storm]

One of the best

First build in D2 that I actually mastered. It is not Firecrest V 2.0 it is much better. What you need is a Pyromaniac AR

Facepalm all you want when I built it it was badass

Granted that was like 3 years ago so

When did this game even come out 2020?

2016 was Div 1 right?

2014 maybe

to google

[cerulean smelt]

Bullets have 2% chance to cause an enemy to burn. Burning targets can cause a fiery explosion when killed, once every 10 seconds. The agent is immune to their own fiery explosions. NPCs set on fire by your Flame Turret will burn 25% longer for every (2000).
Enemies set on fire by the Ortiz Incinerator Turret Prototype ignite other enemies within 2m.

[silent storm]

2019

2019 was like the before times wasn't it

Things were different then

[silent storm]

Yeah a maxed out Pyromaniac is awesome on the build

[half nymph]

i have a variation of this setup, no shield and all yellow but i run the vile mask and scorpio

basically nothing in front of me can shoot while they just burn and stumble from the blind and take DOT it’s so fun

survivalist specialization for the dmg boost

[silent storm]

This is mine, unfortunately it has DtA which I was told recently is no longer good.

[cerulean smelt]

yes, exuro released in 2019https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/16e8nix/ortiz_exuro_a_worthy_successor_to_firecrest_a_pts/

[silent storm]

Probably why it was my first mastered set and why I have it #1 in my builds

Striker didn't come out til later right?

Or am I misremembering?

[cerulean smelt]

😹 pretty sure that's long before 2019

[scarlet pier]

working good?

[silent storm]

Striker in Division 2 I am talking about

[cerulean smelt]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/f9vu8d/striker_gear_set_is_back/ for striker

[silent storm]

So they probably came out together

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, 3 year difference in posts and they came out same update.........

[solar sable]

just shut up already damn

[cerulean smelt]

pretty sure striker came out after they got rid of the talents on gloves and other places, plus the holstered talent

[silent storm]

Do you remember perfectly all release dates of items in games?

[solar sable]

of the ones I pay attention to

[silent storm]

Well good for you

I don't remember things like that because it really doesn't matter

[tranquil inlet]

this sounds like a such a moot point you guys are arguing about

[solar sable]

anyways

[silent storm]

it is

but haters gotta hate I guess

[cerulean smelt]

haters because we don't approve of your builds?

[silent storm]

Who didn't approve of my builds?

[tranquil inlet]

how about we move on and go back to build advice or nothing at all?

[hallow arch]

Currently doing that afk turret drone build in the build hub, it's still not done sadly but fortunately I'm doing the High End variant so it's easier to obtain everything

I also had to use my lvl 35 capacitor lmao

[silent storm]

I asked how to make my Striker better. I want people to tell me why itr is ibad

[solar sable]

wanna keep it neutral then, what's so interesting to you on Exuro?

[cerulean smelt]

just need your 2nd hana-u and 1 wyvern or that exotic holster that escapes me wehre the left ro right skill gets additional skill damage

[tranquil inlet]

I am actually checking out which pieces of this I have just now lol, I do enjoy skill builds

[silent storm]

Crowd Control

[scarlet pier]

can i see cores?

[silent storm]

And Pyromaniac destroys flamed enemies

[hallow arch]

The backpack is named too lol

[hallow arch]

later, I got two quizzes on Friday so I'm locking in

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i see that @hallow arch . 2 hana-u i believe is skill haste for 1, skill damage for 2

[scarlet pier]

I'm new to the game, it would be great if you could upload the mods. Thank you. I'm waiting.

[cerulean smelt]

cores in this game is the Weapon Damage/Armor/Skill tiers. what you're asking is the Mods in teh chest, backpack and mask

[silent storm]

Skill haste is the best mod, higher the better

[scarlet pier]

yes, i want to see mod. because i dont know symbols 😄

sorry for my english

[silent storm]

I don't belive there is a symbol for it

[cerulean smelt]

looking at picture i don't th ink they got the mods in yet, but like rowdy said it'll be haste

[silent storm]

Skill Haste is yellow mod

[hexed steppe]

no mods yet

but skill haste also isnt really needed in a turret drone setup...

[scarlet pier]

Hmm

[hexed steppe]

pfe and crit are also options

[silent storm]

I don't know about that

[cerulean smelt]

true, i was about to say skill wise there's not much other options (> <)

[hexed steppe]

obviously

[scarlet pier]

Okay, then I'll do a sniper build. Then I'll do a skill build. Or can you send me a good skill build pls?

[cerulean smelt]

pins uppper right hand corner spreadsheet has a google sheet with a tab for Builds

[hexed steppe]

follow the turret drone guide in the sheet. refactor or highend both will do well

[scarlet pier]

Okay sir thanks ❤️

[scarlet pier]

thanks sir

[cerulean smelt]

another place is clicking on Localdeck's name and seeing their profile is a link full of their builds. i took inspiration for a hybrid build but different pieces. still in the process of building it but massive keeps releasing fun things that's distracting me

[hexed steppe]

when you get to the later build stages, look up mortar supremacy 😎

[silent storm]

Do you have a Test Subject AR?

[scarlet pier]

me?

[silent storm]

yeah

[scarlet pier]

No:(

[cerulean smelt]

capacitor is much better

[silent storm]

40% skill and weapon DMG is good

[scarlet pier]

i have capacitor

[cerulean smelt]

believe it's higher than that

[hexed steppe]

60% skill damage and 45% weapon damage on a 6 yellow core is capacitor

[cerulean smelt]

left is my build inspired from localdeck's hybrid build on the right

[silent storm]

What is Capacitor on?

[hexed steppe]

its the exotic in the ss above

[silent storm]

Name?

[hexed steppe]

easy to get as well. just 5 summit challenges and guaranteed drop

capacitor

[broken edge]

just alright, going to change chestpiece for one of the same brand as backpack and replace backpack for memento, should work better for solo play

[silent storm]

ok so the name is capacitor

[ivory comet]

are there SMGs that you guys prefer on strikers/st. elmos?

[hexed steppe]

yes

[cerulean smelt]

i smell a trolling pvp tempest build (> <)

[broken edge]

i just dont remember the name of the brands

[cerulean smelt]

should've included this for my build as well

[hexed steppe]

its also good on fire and explosive builds, because unlike other ars it rocks 12% damage to armor as a second stat. dta boosts fire/explosives/oxidizer damages

[scarlet pier]

Which one is best?

[scarlet pier]

Thanks sir

[cerulean smelt]

i believe capacitor doesn't care where you get your skill tiers to boot

[hexed steppe]

i did run into another mortar/seeker guy not long ago using highend, tinkerer mask with insync/spike ... said it was real sweaty 😂

[cerulean smelt]

interesting combo 🤔

btw: this weekend
Tech Overdrive – Stats Multiplier Event
Runs September 26 to September 29.
Boosted Stats:
+3 Skill Tiers
+50% Skill Damage
+50% Skill Duration
+25% Skill Health
+25% Skill Haste

[silent storm]

OK I need the Capacitor

[hexed steppe]

personally my goto if im running highend or refactor. there's not really a wrong way to build it

[silent storm]

That AR is sick

[scarlet pier]

Thanks sir ❤️

and i need sniper build

[cerulean smelt]

did they nerf test subject? swore it was higher than 20% like it was 25 or 30?

[scarlet pier]

I looked through the datasheet but nothing caught my attention.

[hexed steppe]

someone will have a typical hotshot setup. it should be in the sheet tho

[hallow arch]

btw does the palisade glove core have to be skill too?

[silent storm]

No idea but it is so easy to get the 40% and then add in Kinetic Momentum and Shock and Awe

[cerulean smelt]

it can if you want but it's wasted, but probably if you want to use a different specialization

[hexed steppe]

pallisades isnt necessary, but you ultimately want to be at 6 skilltier if you build a turret drone

[hallow arch]

Well atm I don't have both gunner and technician sadly

[cerulean smelt]

i'm personally trying to obtain 6 skill tiers between palisades and arcabuz and memento

[scarlet pier]

okay thanks

[cerulean smelt]

but save yourself. don't do my hybrid build 😹 you'll go mad building it

[hexed steppe]

nothing is set in stone with turret drone. you can use typical 3 empress, 2 hanna, wyvern and do really well. pallisades is just something i use since also using gunner and its an easy armor on kill stat. running refactor with 2 hanna also solid and easy to farm

[cerulean smelt]

palisades drops as armor core and trying to find the 2 pieces with both chance and damage on it so i can freely change the core is rough. then trying to find the chest with chance/damage/talent(s) to change the core is going to be extremely rough

[silent storm]

You only go mad trting to max everything. If you get a roll you can use in the top 95% guess what, you can use that roll as well and it opens up a greater field of usable gear.

[cerulean smelt]

you need to stop trying to sound you know everything about the game

[silent storm]

Everyone wants gold bars on everything, but if you are .4 away from max it really doesn't matter all that much

[cerulean smelt]

as i explained here why i'm going mad#td2-build-advice message

[hexed steppe]

there is a difference between making a usable build and minmaxxing something very specific

both will work

[silent storm]

Dude, I understand your plight, but it is a looter shooter. If you ain't ready to farm why are you even playing?

[cerulean smelt]

then there's teh backbone i so want, but game is like here have one with handling, have one with chance here's skill damage, skill haste, status effect

[dusky sky]

man, what's the chance to get a good ceska chest
3 rolls on stat and 1 roll on talent for obliberate

[cerulean smelt]

took me several. and i do mean several countdown runs 😹

[dusky sky]

lucky u, been farming for days, not getting many chest drops nonetheless good stats

sadge

[silent storm]

#td2-build-advice message

Since I came back and have been farming for 2 days here is the best I got

[dusky sky]

if only HSD was CHD, then a slight upgrade

[dusky sky]

that yellow stat tho 🥲

[subtle bluff]

refactor is pretty easy to get..

[silent storm]

Like I said best one so far

[cerulean smelt]

for instance @silent storm if the blue was chance instead i'd be extremely happy so i can change that core to weapon damage and i'll just have my chest to farm up

[dusky sky]

gonan take a break from farming and do some collectables

[silent storm]

And when I finally get the one I want it will be maxed

[dusky sky]

it is kinda sad ceska brand has no blueprints

[hexed steppe]

then youll need to get one with glass on it

both yall need glass in your life

😎

[silent storm]

Why are you showing me a garbage roll?

[cerulean smelt]

you need to add Glass Cannon expert after your name (> <)

[hexed steppe]

no thats average player... im just a glass enthusiast at this point

[cerulean smelt]

because you th ink i'm trying to get max rolls on my build as you indicated here #td2-build-advice message

[subtle bluff]

that's actually not that bad...

[silent storm]

None of those rolls are in the top 95%

That piece is instand shard

[hexed steppe]

kinda like that maxed out status roll 🤔

[silent storm]

Like I said was the best I had

[hexed steppe]

and

[silent storm]

And it will change when I get a better drop

[hexed steppe]

still kinda trash, no?

glass houses my guy

[silent storm]

How?

I am telling you to throw stones and saying that it was the best I had

[cerulean smelt]

@hexed steppe can we pass that all new bros gotta wear sacrifice? (> <)

[hexed steppe]

correct rolls are better than max rolls. not worth the time to explain past that.

[silent storm]

I have a badass maxed out Sacrifice actually

[hexed steppe]

should be using it then

[silent storm]

Over the perk?

[hexed steppe]

thats a showcase piece

[cerulean smelt]

maxed out weapon, health and repair skills?

[silent storm]

What's a Showcase piece?

[hexed steppe]

anyways

[hallow arch]

Ngl, after looking at this maybe the the turret drone build ain't so bad after all
https://youtu.be/beUmP3EGQe4?si=9gZQH3dzCmco1mpO

I was definitely coping last time

[hexed steppe]

@cerulean smelt what should i put together for this event or w/e it is?

[cerulean smelt]

i was hoping to copy you honestly (> <) though i think rivens is thinking of somekind of blind firefly, say cheese red eclipse build

[hexed steppe]

refactor definitely leg capable. good set overall

[hallow arch]

yeahh in hindsight I was totally coping when people recommended me that build lmao

[hexed steppe]

i have no clue atm.

first i logged since weekend

[cerulean smelt]

can you carry me through DUA under 15 minutes Local? (> <)

[hexed steppe]

yeah should be able to

[gentle lichen]

Man DUA was imminence targeted one day...

[cerulean smelt]

i have a bad feeling 1 day it'll be zoo under 10 minutes

[hexed steppe]

well, as long as i done echo 6 again

[silent storm]

Now I really need to unlock the Capacitor. Test Subject is nice but that AR looks much better

[gentle lichen]

I wet my bed dreaming about capacitor last night

[silent storm]

I might do it tonight in celebration that i now know such a weapon exists

I need to do Coney Island

[cerulean smelt]

i got a capacitor body pillow 😱

[strange mauve]

If I were to make an Ortiz build for funsies, do I lean into Status Effects or Skill Damage?

[solar prairie]

Status effect, you also NEED to have the song You Spin Me Round playing to deal 850% more damage.

[gentle lichen]

Use an iron lung with that too

[solar prairie]

Can the Catalyst mask drop in Brook open world even if I have not yet gotten it from the mission?

[lament reef]

after my 6th chameleon drop i decided to actually try it and it’s not bad

pretty sweet with all 3 buffs up

[hallow arch]

yo what does the refactor backpack talent amplifier do? I can't really find it on the wiki

[lament reef]

gives you up to 80% bonus armor

[hallow arch]

oh that sounds powerful, but I assume the chest talent amp is enough?

[obtuse crystal]

It only applies to you so it’s not that good tbh

The backpack

[lament reef]

yeah refactor chest and backpack aren’t that great

better off using highend so your skills can do more damage

[obtuse crystal]

Yep glass and perfect combined arms imo using 2 piece hanau also 1 red core because of tech

[hallow arch]

I see...yeah screw it, I'm buying technician for this build

[obtuse crystal]

you dont have to buy it

you can do a project type thing for it

[hallow arch]

I know but I'm already on stage 4 of the gunner project and I can't really juggle between it and technician

[obtuse crystal]

yeah just do gunner then start on tech

[subtle bluff]

Here's another way to do refactor

[hallow arch]

what's BiS?

[subtle bluff]

for?

It's content and what you're trying to do.

[cerulean smelt]

Best in Slot

[hallow arch]

ah thanks

[subtle bluff]

OH derp

[hallow arch]

lmao it's alr, that happens to me sometimes

[toxic frigate]

actually is it better using 3BP + 2 Zwiadowka or 3 Zwiadowka + 2BP if im planning to use tinkerer + streamlined for 1886 with determined?

[subtle bluff]

HSD doesn't help HH.

[hazy steeple]

Well I mean, it needs some.

[meager fog]

Needs enough to proc it, but it doesn't affect the damage after that

[hazy steeple]

150% is harder to reach without that freebie 20% from the SHD watch, for a newer player anyway.

[solar prairie]

I went with this beause I love the 85% wep handling, top end damage is 25M

With tinkerer and riflman, I get about 26M+

[strong cave]

Swap out fox's for contractors

Pretty sure DTA helps top end with HH, DTTOC doesnt

Ah wait, that's rifle damage. I mean you can afford to ditch 3 piece Zwi for contractors and instead run punch drunk mask

Would help your pistol and give you the same amount of HSD bonus

[rocky cape]

U have somo build for new Sniper?

[strong cave]

4 piece hotshot, Chainkiller chest, Airaldi bag with Vigi

[rocky cape]

U use the the Sniper here?

[solar prairie]

You can use either, I sometimes go with gunner so I get AoK

[magic pilot]

Tbh 1886 doesnt need much handling

I personally have been using chainkiller, gift, 2 Zwia, contractors and turmoil

[solar prairie]

I mean, what else am I going to put in? I want that omega fast reload..

[solar prairie]

What is your top end damage for this setup, I hot swap turmoil if Im not lazy after building the HH stack.

[magic pilot]

28 mil I think

Im not actually sure tbh, but im not using determined either

[solar prairie]

Im gonna try out your build. What are you using instead of determined?

Without determined my headshot hitrate is probably under 65%

I get 32% handling with this loadout. the difference in reload,stability and accuracy is day and night with my 85%

[magic pilot]

Rifleman

[solar prairie]

Im not skilled enough to do 95%+ headshot hits to run rifleman

But I am hitting 28M with your loadout so thats good enough for me

[magic pilot]

Shroud is by far the best option if you want to hit some crazy numbers

[solar prairie]

ofc that thing hits for 60m with minimal effort

[hazy steeple]

RIP early Nemesis, we hardly knew ye.

[solar prairie]

Neme who?

[broken edge]

silly tempest build mk2

kinda got lucky with that chestpiece

[strong cave]

It's interesting to say the least tbh

[lament reef]

what’s the wyvern wear doing there

[cerulean smelt]

claws out. has pistol damage embedded in it as kind of a 4th stat

[lament reef]

oh it’s a named

[cerulean smelt]

didn't find it odd it looked like it could've had a mod in it in the picture?

[cerulean smelt]

you go the crit route or headshot route? i'm assuming crit

[magic pilot]

It's punch drunk so probably hsd

[broken edge]

yeah it's both punch drunk and claws out

it's really just for raw damage

[magic pilot]

Now we're talking

Intimidate would be huge btw

[broken edge]

i thought about taking aout old intimidate and matador combo

gonna try this one for solo a bit

but i think memento overall buffs make it "safer" also giving a better shield

[cerulean smelt]

so havnen't taken it for a test drive yet? i was about to ask how it faired

[broken edge]

well i was able to beat the speedrun challenges easily with the previous version that was using ridgeway as a backup heal

but i realised that you still kill things too fast and regen was unreliable to no one's surprise

so i just farmed htis chestpiece, and since it came with obliterate already decided to keep it

i mean it was 13,6% WD so just one optmize to max out and had also CHC and CHD with obliterate

so honestly good luck

[magic pilot]

Rerollable talent?

[strong cave]

Is it crit based or HS based?

I'd assume crit if obliterate. Having the HSD is a tiny bit weird with punch drunk

[magic pilot]

Tbh it seems like bird used what was somewhat readily available

[ivory comet]

thinking about changing my loadout a little bit and could use help on an SMG to chase. I'm running Elmo Striker Coyotes (for group) Ceska Oblit and right now I'm running Lefty to build stacks but if anything gets close or i run into Ammo issues, I feel that Lefty is meh damage wise. I'm watching AveragePlayer rip apart targets on this Tidal Basin run, but I can't place the SMG. Any good suggestions? MPX seems decent? Also curious about talent, I see a lot of Killer suggestions, I'm planning to use it to shred a target that gets too close, so I'd rather have the damage up front instead of after kill.

[broken edge]

it's kinda mixed, well more that punch drunk does give pistol and headshot so it's safe option

[broken edge]

also more of this, i'm not one to chase perfection, but have the generic good stuff to do legendary/raids if needed

[magic pilot]

Smg 9 with measured

Absolutely rips chopper spawns up

[ivory comet]

this may be a silly question but...

is there any concern of the new global modifier RoF buffs causing damage delay in such high RPMs?

or just missed damage?

[lament reef]

honestly, it does feel like my pestilence stacks don’t correspond to how many shots i landed sometimes

[magic pilot]

Uhhh if you do some shenanigans regarding the rof buff yes, if you are not doing anything of the sort should be fine

[ivory comet]

Nah, definitely not trying to intentionally break it. Like the 800 RPM ARs i'm running seem to just spit bullets with the buff, so I hesitate on some of the smgs that are already a higher base RPM

I'm trying to not "miss" damage

[magic pilot]

I haven't personally ran into any issue yet, but I don't have a ton of rof stacked up yet

[fervent ore]

Which is better to pair with saint elmo striker build acs 12 base or rock n roll or lefty

[magic pilot]

For dmg, regular acs with brazen. For stacking lefty

[fervent ore]

What makes lefty stack more??

[ivory comet]

1 extra mod slot for RoF

combine that with sticking RoF as the tertiary and builds FAST

[vestal ibex]

I mean it all builds fast and honestly the difference is so tiny anyway.

[fervent ore]

I see i see

[ivory comet]

just answering his question..

[vestal ibex]

I'm just further expanding on it.

It's more situational and build dependent tho.

[ivory comet]

you're expanding further on "what makes lefty stack more?" by saying it doesn't or it's negligable? okay

[vestal ibex]

I did expand further tho?

[onyx sage]

he's expanding on your answer

[ivory comet]

personally, as I mentioned earlier, I'm off Lefty because i'm not happy with the dmg, so the ACS might be better. I'm looking into an SMG myself

[onyx sage]

it doesn't replace your answer

[vestal ibex]

I will expand even further too cause it's more appropriate to consider the situation and pick based on that.

It's not a simple "lefty stacks faster" type of thing.

[onyx sage]

sometimes you just use acs itself to kill, then damage becomes the focus rather than stacking speed

XY problem sort of deal, they think about "how do i stack faster" when the real problem is "how do i kill faster" because killing is the progression

[ivory comet]

yupp, you're showing me the way

[fervent ore]

I see i see i am new to this game and this is my first build cause got st elmo from the twitch drops crate

[honest moss]

I seen they "fixed" boomerang but has anyone tried it? Would it even work with OD tink? Assuming it doesn't return a hp bullet.

[onyx sage]

boomerang doesn't return special ammo in the first place

[vestal ibex]

The way I tell people is if you have striker chest and only want to stack and put it away RNR is best, if you are on obliterate and want to stack I'd go ACS brazen for the extra damage, leftys best advantage is when you can sledge high HP bosses like in the wright fight/raids/DUA lego boss and such.

[onyx sage]

but normally it just returns a normal round back to the mag. it would work with OD tinkerer in this regard. but it's not really run in there anyway

[honest moss]

I see i see, thank you! I worded that weirdly anyway. Was just curious. Love my rifle OD build.

[fervent ore]

Yeah i been using 4 piece striker( bag pack,chest,mask and kneepad) and 1 piece cezko and 1 piece the crit dmg one
Ig i will go with brazen acs then more dmg sounds good

[magic pilot]

I went the simple route and left it open for others to explain

[red island]

anyone with rights to edit the spreadsheet ? need to remove a "s" at the end of explosive damage in brand sheet its messing with the seach tool lol

[magic pilot]

Can you send a screenshot

[red island]

this one

all other are written without the s

[magic pilot]

Ah I got you

Fixed

[red island]

thanks man

it was bugging me so much lol

[magic pilot]

I appreciate when people point out the small errors

[red island]

i only noticed it cause i searched for explosives damage and only got 1 result while i knew for sure we had more of thoses lol

[hallow arch]

Saw this refactor build on YT and I wanted to copy it
4 piece refactor with chest piece
2 piece hana-u with force multiplier backpack
backpack, mask, and chest have skill haste mods, and the attributes across all of them are both skill damage and haste
(https://youtu.be/beUmP3EGQe4?si=9gZQH3dzCmco1mpO)

There's still some issues that need fixing though, like the Capacitor being level 35 and the Force multiplier having blue and red attributes

And not having technician specialization and good mods on the skills

[magic pilot]

@subtle bluff

[hallow arch]

Oh and I don't have harmony for that perfect in sync talent

[magic pilot]

You can recraft the capacitor to lvl 40

[vestal ibex]

Sir that's called reconfiguring...

[magic pilot]

Same thing

[vestal ibex]

Hey man. I'm gonna ask you this politely and as a gentlemen. Do you like turtles?

[onyx sage]

it's the free one you get so you can't

[magic pilot]

Sir please don't interact with me, you seem like an argumentative person

[magic pilot]

Oh rip

[hallow arch]

Well that's a shame

[vestal ibex]

Oh the one out of that gear cache while leveling right?

[onyx sage]

has to be

[hallow arch]

Yup, lvl 35 milestone cache

[vestal ibex]

rip

[meager fog]

You get a Capacitor from completing 5 challenges in the summit.

Pretty easy, less than an hours work.

[hallow arch]

Wait seriously?

[meager fog]

Yes

[subtle bluff]

Hmm? My refactor?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah that's how we all got cap back in my day.

[magic pilot]

Figured you would have some valuable input

[subtle bluff]

It's a bad refactor build.

What are you wanting from a refactor build would my question.

[hallow arch]

Idk tbh, I just saw that guy's video and was like "that seems easy to make"

Apparently I failed miserably

[magic pilot]

I wouldn't say that, and I'm brutally honest

[meager fog]

Rule number 1: Almost completely disregard anything a Youtuber says about builds.

Come here instead.

[subtle bluff]

Gain of sand.

[hallow arch]

Tbf I'm still relatively new, lots of room for growth so I'm just trying to experimnt and see what fits

[subtle bluff]

If it feels like a Content Creator most likely that's all there doing.

[meager fog]

As you should do, finding your style of play is one of the most important aspects of finding a build that suits you

[subtle bluff]

CD farm stuff

[meager fog]

Once you find a playstyle you enjoy, you can find builds that fit around that in the spreadsheet pinned in this channel

[hallow arch]

The closest fit I had was the Umbra initiative build I started out with

The rest is either inadequate or just conplete failures

Hell even the Umbra Initiative one started to suck

Atp I'm hard stuck on challenging lmao

[meager fog]

Once you get to Challenging and above difficulty, it becomes necessary to learn positioning and enemy spawns.

It becomes a game about math and geometry

[coral reef]

What is the best playstyle and why is it run and gun with Hunter's Fury?

cover? never heard of her

[ivory comet]

Learning this last part, the hard way.

[meager fog]

Strikers SMG9 Says Hide behind me

[coral reef]

tell me more, i'm basic and always use Striker with an AR.

[meager fog]

Ahem

BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. (lots of damage and numbers and things)

[coral reef]

i'm sold honestly

[subtle bluff]

shoot more don't sticky nest time.

[meager fog]

I mistimed the foam -.- but still BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[subtle bluff]

BRRR more.
I need to make a new clip with one of my newer runs.

[meager fog]

Vigi there is NUTs though 🤣

[subtle bluff]

alll the burst

[meager fog]

1 mistake losing a 25% amp....my heart couldn't take that 🤣

[vagrant fulcrum]

some one could help with a crazy hunters fury build? 😄

[solar sable]

crasy?

[meager fog]

The spreadsheet could. Depends what you want

[subtle bluff]

Intim and Memento

[vagrant fulcrum]

hybrid dmg and survival

[subtle bluff]

works just as well

Kill things gives surivial.

[meager fog]

True, and vigilance stays proc because bonus armour.

:p

[meager fog]

That's literally just hunters fury

[subtle bluff]

So this was a no ads challenge on full red HF with Memento. You can see how much HF and Memento was repair and keeping me up.

[meager fog]

As long as you kill....you survive.

[subtle bluff]

This

[vagrant fulcrum]

i see

[subtle bluff]

most of it is a playstyle but HF is really strong solo build.

[ivory comet]

does it run into issues with group scaling?

[meager fog]

anything that requires you to "kill" to proc it will struggle in team play

[lapis zodiac]

purist or riot

[vale lintel]

Hello!!

[ivory comet]

makes a lot of sense, actually

[solar sable]

HF does struggle but HHF doesn't at all if you build it right

[vagrant fulcrum]

what is HHF?

[meager fog]

Head hunters fury

[lapis zodiac]

how relevant are the builds in that spreadsheet most of them are y7s1 or older

[meager fog]

Running around witha shotgun and shield one blasting everything in the face

[vale lintel]

Hey guys!!
What do you think about my build as level 36?

[meager fog]

They're all still the best available builds

[lapis zodiac]

dont worry about builds at 36

[meager fog]

As a level 36, your build does not matter. Focus on getting to level 40 since you cant take it with you.

[vale lintel]

okay!

thanks guys

[lapis zodiac]

which ones would be good for say soloing legendary without alot of expertise?

had striker but dmg is like 600k with max stacks with elmos

[meager fog]

If that's your max then your strikers build is wrong

or you're playing it wrong

[coral reef]

What a thrill

[meager fog]

Full red strikers is perfectly capable of SOlo legendary

[lapis zodiac]

i mean prolly both cause i copied some tuber

😂

[meager fog]

Ew, lets have a look....i'm guessing it has blue in it

[lapis zodiac]

naw

[solar sable]

show us please

[subtle bluff]

very we update when it's needed.

[meager fog]

It should look something like this

[solar sable]

I'm expecting:

1. Ninjabike Fenris
2. Fenris 3 blue

[lapis zodiac]

this but without expertise

and red cores

[meager fog]

Chest is bad for anything that isn't raids

You cannot physically maintain 200 stacks

[coral reef]

Its full blue bro

[meager fog]

He said with red cores, last season full bluie was actually decent.

[lapis zodiac]

its not my build its my budies but he malded about his damage so hard he got off

[coral reef]

Got it

[lapis zodiac]

any reason to use police m4 over carbine 7 or bh/elmos

[solar sable]

Let me tell you something that will help A LOT.
These builds are called "hazpro Backfire builds" because they were used last season with its Modifiers which gave a little hazpro. But they were never good. They thought that going all 100% hazpro would resolve the "bleeding problem" with Backfire when all you had to do was reload 3 times and the bleeding stopped until you lost all Backfire stacks.

[lapis zodiac]

interesting

[meager fog]

Police M4 is the easiest to get, and also the most accurate AR.

Elmos has the advantage of built in CC with added 15% CHD allowing you to get CHD a little higher

Any high ROF gun works with Strikers

BiS would be Lexington, Elmos or M4

[lapis zodiac]

gib lex plz 🙁

[solar sable]

i.e. Using the standard Strikers build instead of blue hazpro, you could reach something in between 1.5-2mil DMG without any hazpro/bleed res
And with all these """"aids"""" DMG went somewhere around 1.2-1.5mil

[meager fog]

Elmos also has the advantage of having a 70(+1) magazine. Meaning less reloads and more up time.

[subtle bluff]

The guide says otherwise

doesn't mattter

[meager fog]

^ Anything with a high ROF works with strikers

[lapis zodiac]

i read that but i was more intersted in the exact reason

[meager fog]

Comes down to personal preference

[lapis zodiac]

then dttooc on the gun?

[solar sable]

always unless using an LMG* sorry

[meager fog]

Dttooc on every gun, for every single build

[subtle bluff]

M4 is just easy choice for players that want the simpler answer

[lapis zodiac]

what do put on lmg fire rate/reload speed?

[meager fog]

CHC

Weapons have 9.5% CHC built in, which allows for more CHD stacking on gear

[lapis zodiac]

memento not worth it on ts?

[meager fog]

CHC has a 1:2 rate with CHD.

Having 9.5% CHC on your weapon allows you to put a further 19% CHD on your gear

[lapis zodiac]

also whats the deal with the bee

[solar sable]

for solo play it is great on both HF and Strikers

[meager fog]

Memento is fine for solo play, just replace Strikers BP with Mask

[meager fog]

Busy little Bee gives BIG damage boosts

[ivory comet]

this reinforces why ceska is mentioned most, as it awards 8 as opposed to 13 from grupo?

[lapis zodiac]

but dont i need to shoot a bunch random stuff with it then swap?

[meager fog]

Correct 8% CHC is worth 16% CHD

[meager fog]

Yes, but that's a strat for experienced players

[lapis zodiac]

ikias setup with ts better than running 2pc lengmo? looking at the builds on the google doc

[coral reef]

2pc lengmo with what?

[onyx sage]

why would you not get 3p lengmo? if this involves ninjabike it automatically loses

use vigilance or TS backpack, or it's not worth using

[gloomy spruce]

What is the LMG Damage bonus on the 3rd pc of lengmo again?

[lapis zodiac]

ya i had ninjabike 🐒

[lapis zodiac]

30% lmg

[gloomy spruce]

So pretty much 2 red primary cores rolls worth.

[coral reef]

30% LMG damage*

[lapis zodiac]

do you roll chc on every sub stat till 60% then roll the rest to chd when its at 60?

[lament reef]

what else would 30% be referring to there

[ivory comet]

He was just expanding

[vestal ibex]

Sorta, if you are new I'd suggest going with a 1:2 ratio of CHC:CHD and once you get to 60% you'd full dump into CHD. Times this could vary or be different is when coyotes mask comes into play as well as whatever seasonl stuff might be going on.

[vestal ibex]

That would be considered a clarification to most.

[lapis zodiac]

weapon handling a dead roll?

[vestal ibex]

Kinda, on HSD builds it's good but on a CHC/CHD build I wouldn't bother with it although it's not the worst stat to take while you work on builds.

[lapis zodiac]

what about hs damage on chc/chd build

[vestal ibex]

Not worth at all.

[lapis zodiac]

guess off to farm cd for a better sacrifice then

[vestal ibex]

HS and CHD are figured together.

10%HSD vs 12% CHD

[gloomy spruce]

Often not worth it. HSD and Weapon handling are great paired together while Crit Chance and Crit Damage are the other great pairing. Mixing them does not really make sense.

With red builds it is smart to focus on one pairing or the other depending also on the weapon type.

[lapis zodiac]

entrench any good or nah?

[gloomy spruce]

Often when using a red build, it is better to focus on talents that increase damage.

[lapis zodiac]

so go all in

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah, the higher the damage; the quicker things die. Therefore the safer you are.

[solar sable]

imagine using blue cores

[lapis zodiac]

i use blue cores but i dont see a difference usually unless its a tank setup

[lament reef]

if you are farming a chest or backpack, you have to get 2/3 of both substats and the talent being right for your build

generally it’s a brick drop besides that

sometimes it’s even worse when you are trying to farm a piece that drops with the wrong major core, that means it has to be perfect besides the core

something like refactor or heartbreaker

[gloomy spruce]

Hence why if you are desperate to try to make a 3 pc lengmo build hexotic; you are going to have to go for the mask, holster, and knees.

Trying to get a lengmo chest or backpack to roll with obliterate and vigi respectively is a nightmare.

The gloves in that situation would likely be overdogs or contractors.

[lament reef]

yeah it is hell

my current lengmo build is 5 red 1 blue because i haven’t gotten a perfect one yet

not the end of the world though

[magic pilot]

pgc is a good subsitute. or the striker version since its overall more dps. but @gloomy spruce is a striker hater lol

[lapis zodiac]

yay or nay?

i know theirs a hs mod in it

[strong cave]

It's meh bc not double crit

[lament reef]

passable while you farm a better one

[lapis zodiac]

bett than the one i had with skill haste and repair i had earlier

[strong cave]

It'll work for now

[gloomy spruce]

We all know striker is a crutch! People need to learn how to struggle to make a full hexotic build and embrace the rough rng of assembling almost random pieces to slowly aquire power!

[lapis zodiac]

rof and chc for lmg primary?

[ivory comet]

this feels like a cult

[gloomy spruce]

Well some of us are old timer gatekeepers from year one!

We want to keep the path to power in the game obscure and difficult to traverse!

[vestal ibex]

Good old grenade at the feet.

[ivory comet]

i wasn't year one, but i remember the Dark Zone grind for a Gift with dual crits

trying to survive the pre-TU6 EB hordes

[lapis zodiac]

guess i need better mods or a better chest with chc 🙁

[ivory comet]

Honestly, I think you're in the fun phase of building... you get to farm pieces and go "yes!" when it drops... and not "omg finally"

[lapis zodiac]

i mean i guess 57% is close enough

[vestal ibex]

57% chance to hit 49% CHD is just not that good. It's better to take a 1:2 ratio while going up till you hit 60%.

[lapis zodiac]

what do you mean

most of the chc is from mods

[ivory comet]

like... 30% crit 60% crit damage

[lapis zodiac]

52.7% 59.6?

[subtle bluff]

I've been saying this forever in general.

[lapis zodiac]

how much base chd should i have

[lament reef]

what’s your SHD level?

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the build

[lapis zodiac]

ts

[subtle bluff]

Then your fine

[subtle bluff]

Context really helps. TS needs CHC since it builds stacks for CHD.

[vestal ibex]

So 57%/49% means you could trade like 15% CHC dropping you to 42 and rasing your CHD up to 79%. The numbers would work out as such for comparing which would do more damage

57x49=2793

VS

42x79=3879

The bigger number means it will net more damge.

[subtle bluff]

TS scale is kind of the exception to this rule. But otherwise that ☝️

[lapis zodiac]

so what would be decent for ts?

i swapped it out so now its 48/70

[vestal ibex]

Oh yeah well I'm just talking about the general rules of building. The math involved and how well you can keep to whatever you set up in said math is more pain than anything.

[lapis zodiac]

48 chc 70% chd good now souless?

[vestal ibex]

I mean as you farm it will get better and better.

[subtle bluff]

can we see the build?

[lapis zodiac]

ya but i mean as a start

[vestal ibex]

I wouldn't fret over super min maxing as you build too much.

[subtle bluff]

I'm guessing you don't have a ceska piece yet.

[lapis zodiac]

nah im using sacrifice

[subtle bluff]

AH you're using pesti now things make more sense.

[subtle bluff]

GR9 isn't best but people like it for some reason.

[lapis zodiac]

i like it and the mk46 but dont have any good mk46

[subtle bluff]

With TS with stacks you don't need crazy RPM.

[lament reef]

the giant mag is nice, especially for TS

[subtle bluff]

I will preface with TS that it's not as good in low level content because you don't get to keep shoot as things die very quickly versus harder end content

[lapis zodiac]

i got a carnage with crit

[lament reef]

can’t you keep the buff up just by shooting at air

[lapis zodiac]

but no other decent hi end lmgs

[lapis zodiac]

u can

[subtle bluff]

In theorycrafting that's why RPM doesn't matter for TS m60 is actually good.

[lapis zodiac]

classic m60?

[subtle bluff]

any M60 there all the same

[lapis zodiac]

isnt the black market more stable or doesnt matter

[magic pilot]

hardly noticeable

plus TS gives handling

[lapis zodiac]

got one but the rolls are terrible 🙁

[subtle bluff]

Are you doing heroic content or higher atm?

[lapis zodiac]

crafting really does only give middle tier rolls heh

i was like ill crafta m60

and got trash

[subtle bluff]

You should give OD build a try.

[lapis zodiac]

od?

[subtle bluff]

Ongoing Directive.
If you check out the pinned messages > gdoc > build hub

[lapis zodiac]

ah that

is that the cc build?

[lament reef]

hollow point bullet build

[lapis zodiac]

whats wrong with pesti

[lapis zodiac]

with the season thing

[meager fog]

Pestilence doesn't stack with CHD

[lament reef]

it’s still a fine gun and the passive puts in work

[subtle bluff]

No.
OD is just a quicker DPS build doesn't needs stack anything it's at peak DPS off the bat.

[meager fog]

Loses out to others in the same situation which just amp the damage

[lapis zodiac]

which one ya want me to use

[subtle bluff]

We don't. Do what you want.

[lament reef]

yeah it should be illegal to equip anything except perfectly rolled strikers and lexington

[subtle bluff]

We're just giving alternatives.

[lapis zodiac]

give me the lexington and ill give you the 47th chameleon i got

[meager fog]

Strange take from what I said.

[lapis zodiac]

you mean the poison scaling?

[lament reef]

yeah the poison DOT can’t crit

[meager fog]

Pestilence tick isn't a status, its based on weapon damage alone

So crit builds are wasted by using it

[lapis zodiac]

thoughts on pakhan

[subtle bluff]

it's not a waste per say.. It's just another source of DPS.

[meager fog]

Its fine, it works.

But for LMG builds mostly Tinkerer and high ends work better

[lament reef]

it’s a gun

just an aside here, exotics are not automatically better than highend guns

[lapis zodiac]

i realise that

[subtle bluff]

He does have GR9.

[lapis zodiac]

i just dont have anyother good high end lmgs other than the gr9 right now

[subtle bluff]

Also killer isn't the best for TS.

[ivory comet]

that ironlung could be dope.. whats the third stat that max rolled?

[lapis zodiac]

rof

[meager fog]

GR9 is good, as long as you're not using frenzy because half the up time is wasted usually

[subtle bluff]

That works. Too.

[lapis zodiac]

i like lung too

[subtle bluff]

Need to say this quickly.

I love Iron Lung.

K moving on.

[lapis zodiac]

i like pesti too but it seems weird vs hunters

i dislike blue screen dont @ me

[meager fog]

Hunters need one thing. Status lock. Before they EMP

[ivory comet]

Roll with Ironlung, brother. Make those baddies feel the burn

[lapis zodiac]

what would you roll instead of killer on gr9 measured/fast hands or somethin?

[ivory comet]

frenzy is another

[lapis zodiac]

on a gun with 350 round mag?

[lament reef]

yeah i wouldn’t frenzy there

[subtle bluff]

measured is goood.

[lapis zodiac]

over killer ?

[subtle bluff]

For TS yes.

[ivory comet]

damn, 350 mag? thats insane

[lapis zodiac]

gunner big box go brrt

[lament reef]

you get such absurdly high CHD from TS that you get diminishing returns from another CHD perk on your gun

[lapis zodiac]

idk if these are the right mods

[subtle bluff]

All CHC mods

Since they're value higher.

[ivory comet]

i don't want to add anything that's incorrect, and so it inspires me to ask

are the crit chance mods on guns, reflected on the crit chance values on the stats screen?

or are they separate?

[fiery gust]

Yes.

[ivory comet]

Okay, so I must be thinking of that division build tool site then that does NOT account for them (i think)

[lapis zodiac]

their better base mods i can unlock forchc more than 5% ?

[fiery gust]

5% is max for weapon mods. Same way 10% is max for CHD on weapon mods.

Excluding the specialization specific ones.

[subtle bluff]

As long has it's the weapon showing

[fiery gust]

Yea, that's true. May have to cycle weapons if you want to look at something besides your primary lol.

[subtle bluff]

Like in this you can see pesti is there.

[ivory comet]

right right, ty

[lapis zodiac]

so i know chd doesnty scale pesti

but say you crit does that increase pesti damage

or does it soley scale off wd

[subtle bluff]

I've aleady said this... 😐

[lapis zodiac]

i probably missed it dont hurt me 🙁

[subtle bluff]

here

[lapis zodiac]

you mayswell be speaking greek

[fiery gust]

It's weapon damage and specific damage boosting modifiers, excluding crits lol.

[lapis zodiac]

need a glossary to know what half that shit means

[onyx sage]

it scales the bullet which is a way bigger damage portion than your tick so it is still worth taking

what he gave is the pesti tick formula, the main point is to show what affects pesti tick, which does not include crit

[lapis zodiac]

ah so even if you can crit that wont effect pesti damage got it

[fiery gust]

It won't impact the ticks. It does impact the actual bullet damage obviously.

[lapis zodiac]

ya i was just more curious if the initial crit effected the dot aight ty

you guys been a bif help

[red island]

is spec weapon damage increased with weapon damage ?

[lapis zodiac]

so my buddy logged in this is what his strikers looks like 🙂

[red island]

or is it a separate thing ?

[onyx sage]

yes

spec weapon damage is actually just another "specific weapon damage" type just like "assault rifle damage" for example

it adds with other weapon damage sources like red cores

[red island]

aight imma cook for a bit then

[wary forge]

Guys can any1 confirm one thing about glass canon? The increased damage that I RECIEVE apply only to my character or to my skills also? Can any1 confirm it please?!

[red island]

cause that advance mat modifier is cool

[red island]

only you

[lapis zodiac]

is glass cannon additive or a multiplier?

[wary forge]

That awesome! So shield take normal damage?

Right?

[red island]

should be tested, but it should be normal damage taken on shield

[onyx sage]

there's no other multiplier that applies this so it doesn't matter what the answer is

[wary forge]

Tysm for clarification! I cant notice the diference

[lapis zodiac]

perfect glass cannon seems kinda spicy for legendary

[red island]

on legendary anyone not running tank is basically running glass canon

[lapis zodiac]

instead of 3 bullets its like 1.5

[red island]

all my homies die just with npc looking at us

[subtle bluff]

Don't mind how this looks. it's very much WIP.

[wary forge]

So the best way to test it should be in dz right? Asking for a friend shot my shield with and without glass canon, right?

[onyx sage]

if you're running full red (which is the only kind of build where glass cannon would make sense) having pgc or not doesn't really make that much difference if you're primarily taking bullet damage. if you take status damage then the difference is more worth consideration

[red island]

no, test in lz

[onyx sage]

and i am talking about legendary contexts too

[wary forge]

Lz?

[onyx sage]

light zone/anywhere that is not pvp related

[red island]

well, grenade launcher is funky in how its boosted/how it count

grenade launcher kills count as grenade kills, but grenade boosts dont boost grenade launcher

[onyx sage]

🤔

maybe consistent with how ravenous works

[red island]

wym

[onyx sage]

explosive damage doesn't increase ravenous explosion damage too

[red island]

but explosion damage does boost grenades and launcher

[onyx sage]

unless you mean something else by grenade boosts

[red island]

i meant the collector talent

[onyx sage]

oh then yeah that's perfectly explained by the fact that grenade launcher's grenades don't count as grenades

try saying that 10 times

[red island]

yeah, but they count as grenade kills

so its not consistent

[onyx sage]

this game hates consistency ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[red island]

clearly lol

imma try mad bomber talent now

nope, doesnt count

but pgc does work

[solar sable]

what about mortar sir

[vestal ibex]

Expertise on the gl also doesn't add any damage lol

[red island]

why not ?

its specificly says spec weapon damage

[onyx sage]

also about that i don't think every spec weapon scales from weapon damage, but i don't remember specifically which ones

i never tested them anyway. but i don't want to claim anything further

[red island]

im gonna run some test to see what works on them

[cerulean smelt]

well, if every spec weapon utilized weapon damage then tip of the spear would be completey rendered useless

[fiery gust]

This game needs better resources. The devs are clueless, though.

[red island]

it is completely useless atm tho

[onyx sage]

you're not wrong... unless... #thosewhoknow

[cerulean smelt]

true, but it's the only thing that boosts specialized weapon damage

[red island]

ok im in the shooting range, and the explosion damage isnt even the same when im not changing gear yet xd

this is me doing consecutive shots lmao

the shooting range is funky

[hexed steppe]

Looks like a couple impacts like seen with chem launcher

[cerulean smelt]

blue is armor damage isn't it?

[magic pilot]

yes

[fiery gust]

Hitting higher tier enemies, maybe?

[red island]

yes but its mixed cause bright yellow is explosion damage

[red island]

im on very hard shooting range, everyone is elite

[fiery gust]

Oh. Weird. Welcome to Division 2 where numbers are never consistently. 😂

[cerulean smelt]

pretty sure if you were holding say a capacitor then swapped to grenade launcher that DTA off of capacitor ties into the GL

[lapis zodiac]

the numbers mason what do they mean

[fiery gust]

This was true, but not sure if they fixed it with the Tsunami fixes.

[hexed steppe]

Don't use aoe use the single targets on the right side. Then you can control what enemy type you are testing on

[red island]

im using it on left side

[onyx sage]

they specifically targeted pummel. they didn't fix dta/other talents from weapon interaction with skills

[fiery gust]

Gotcha. Makes sense.

[onyx sage]

not sure if spec weapons count tho, first time i'm hearing about this

[lapis zodiac]

someone said something about a od build with hollow points in here earlier wheres it at?

[fiery gust]

Could be a whole different pool of stuff lol.

[hexed steppe]

The pinned sheet with all the other builds

[lapis zodiac]

is it the shotgun one maybe i overlooked it my bad

[red island]

ok, grenade launcher is completely unaffected by normal weapon damage

[cerulean smelt]

well, that gun affected a lot of things. at least the way i see that screenshot they must've had something with DTA to make it hit harder than with out it

[red island]

i tested with 6 skill tier and 6 red core, same damage

[cerulean smelt]

now done the TOTS, bet you'll see a bit more damage 😹

[red island]

thats why im testing it, i wanted to see what would work

[lapis zodiac]

od hollowpoint better than strikers right now?

[cerulean smelt]

i doubt tots would be a massive increase, but it'll be a tiny bit higher

[ivory comet]

It should. And I’m curious if explosive damage will increase it as well?

[red island]

no striker is still king, but od is still good

[red island]

it does from what i tested so far

[lapis zodiac]

comparable?

[cerulean smelt]

i would feel tinkerer mask in OD would be closing the gap a tiny bit

[red island]

no, striker is still unmatched

also, coyote mask doesnt proc on nade launcher, direct or indirect hits

[lapis zodiac]

it is tinkerer and still striker stronger

[onyx sage]

yes, tinkerer isn't that strong

tinkerer doesn't make OD that much stronger to warrant taking over striker, its limitation is still "if you can't kill the target in one mag it's not that strong"

still, for most use cases you do not need striker

[hexed steppe]

You get closer to striker with tipping scales lmg setup

[onyx sage]

tipping scales and striker are pretty much siblings

[hexed steppe]

Add overdogs if have for big damage

[lapis zodiac]

ya im using that my buddys striker build only does 400-600k so hes trying to fix it so was looking at options but his striker setups scuffed

[onyx sage]

we need to look at his setup rather than try to go to OD

[lapis zodiac]

overdogs or contractors?

[onyx sage]

overdogs, contractor doesn't do that much

[hexed steppe]

Overdogs is 30% amp

[lapis zodiac]

im using ts

[hexed steppe]

Also really good on nego🔥

[lapis zodiac]

dont look to hard

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say chances are they built it wrong

[onyx sage]

eh mostly fine, ditch that yaahl for ceska and it should be good

[hexed steppe]

And use some red cores

[lapis zodiac]

bloo core dobby dee

[onyx sage]

400k-600k sounds normal for no stack memento

tell him to stop using blues

[lapis zodiac]

thats with max striker stacks

[onyx sage]

i specifically say memento

[hexed steppe]

Blue core giving agent the blues

-# Ill see myself out

[lapis zodiac]

why use blue when you can go pgc and a gust of wind kills you

[onyx sage]

but you also kill them

[fiery gust]

You can use Obliterate if you don't want to use GC lol.

[lapis zodiac]

unless its drone operaters then they nuked you from 69 km

[onyx sage]

and if you're good they die first

[lapis zodiac]

gc?

[red island]

ok so gunner is affected by normal weapon damage

[onyx sage]

glass cannon

[fiery gust]

Glass Cannon.

[lapis zodiac]

i mean im using sacrifice on my ts

[hexed steppe]

Nice

[onyx sage]

which is good

[hexed steppe]

This one gets it

[onyx sage]

we're saying for your friend

[cerulean smelt]

you get a localdeck badge (> <)

[fiery gust]

I'm just saying. If you or your friend is having an issue with GC, then switch to Obliterate.

[lapis zodiac]

tho i will swap contractors for overdogs when i get on again

[lapis zodiac]

oh nah i expect to get folded with sub 1m armor with all reds pgc or not lol

[cerulean smelt]

want a fun sacrifice build? XD

[lapis zodiac]

im scared

[hexed steppe]

As long as you focus lowest rank you tear through a whole spawn rq with overdogs

[cerulean smelt]

they got it in the pins here

[hexed steppe]

Been a staple since i had them drop

[lapis zodiac]

still feel like my ts dmg at max stacks is a little low with lung but might just need to min max or have expertise

[lapis zodiac]

think my max crit right nows only like 1.5m

[hexed steppe]

Iron lung should be pretty good. I use bluescreen myself

[lapis zodiac]

ill do that if you help me farm a regulus

🐒

[cerulean smelt]

regulus not even needed in it

[lapis zodiac]

but its swag

[red island]

crossdbow unaffected by normal weapon damage

[cerulean smelt]

i did this build as a gunner with MK16 AR and swapped the 2nd weapon quite a bit testing what i liked best and think some sort of SMG was always my 2nd choice

[lapis zodiac]

so he updated his build but i think his chc might be to low

[fiery gust]

Way low.

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say they stacked their damage in their build

[fiery gust]

Get rid of the Yaahl piece for starters. Actually useless.

[red island]

flame thrower seem to be affected by normal weapon damage but hard to be sure with so many ticks + burn damage

[onyx sage]

it is yeah

that one i know

[lapis zodiac]

hes going to hes looking for a ceska one

he stacked chd mods on gear prolly needs to swap some to chc

[subtle bluff]

Wild people have Yaal Chest as there starter build gear piece. I hate content creators.