td2-build-advice

[worn imp]

Which setup would u go for here lmao

[red island]

none, never go for this bagpack ever basically

[worn imp]

this is for frenzy memes

[red island]

frenzy même = u need more mag size not lmg damage

[worn imp]

idk im kinda trying to strike a balance

[gentle lichen]

determined...

[worn imp]

lmfao this kinda works ngl.

[subtle bluff]

It's strong just note that OP.

[subtle bluff]

Don't use NBB first off.

[subtle bluff]

Chest is worthless on the setup.

[worn imp]

really? striker chest only good for incursion huh

[subtle bluff]

Pretty much. Unless you able to pre-stack and where you can keep firing and shooting to keep stacks up.

[worn imp]

This better?

[subtle bluff]

Ceska is always gonna better than either brandset you have but yes better.

m60 isn't a great weapon with strikers.

It's all on the guide.

[worn imp]

wot? i tested rigorously if a specific 10% weapon type damage chest would be better than ceska and concluded there was NO meaningful difference

[subtle bluff]

Being able to have more CHC mean you can have CHD.

What's your CHC/CHD on that build?

[worn imp]

fine, man... this is the best i could do with ceska with god roll attributes. im missing 1% crit cause lack of optimization

[subtle bluff]

can you scroll one the stats page so I can all weapon damage and lmg dmg?

[modern night]

You nerf yourself the moment you put that bag on

[subtle bluff]

so with this ceska build to make sure without frenzy active you're bullet dmg is 350,168 and crit is 860,013 right?

ish i'm probably off 10 ish

[worn imp]

brother ill get back to you tomorrow i gotta sleep ngl

im pushing way past rn hahah

[subtle bluff]

k. I'll just say the guides are made with a lot of time and experience behind them.

[worn imp]

eh i doubt it

🤡 🔫

[subtle bluff]

This game as been around for awhile.

[subtle bluff]

If you can understand how with of these works then sure maybe you're right.

[worn imp]

😵‍💫 ive done that actually

[subtle bluff]

Kay then you don't need help or advice. Keep your builds.

[worn imp]

💀

[subtle bluff]

I mean you're posting builds in #td2-build-advice what did you expect?

[urban latch]

the two are very close together tbf. Its only a mathematical difference, not really a practical one

[strong cave]

Ditching the M60 and taking an M249 would yield you more RPM and a higher burst DPS. Killing things quicker is always better. Also, your crit chance will suck, unless you have CHC as 3rd attribute on your LMG's. Ceska is basically a must. What's the point of taking petrov for a measly 10% more LMG damage when a critical hit does more? You're running striker. That 10% won't make a difference. Your crits will. Magazine size isn't needed on an LMG either, even if taking frenzy. Swap to coyote mask as well. You'll gain 25% more chd up close and you're guaranteeing you're hitting 60 CHC at range

[onyx sage]

even more if you get expertise 30

[strong cave]

Bluescreen isn't terrible but make sure that 3rd attribute on that is CHC and not DTA

[onyx sage]

bro is forgetting he stands on the shoulders of giants

[strong cave]

He's taking petrov, he has 10% more than us all

Oh, I'd like to note that CHC on LMGs as 3rd attribute is only on builds that are crit starved (like the petrov/Zwi build that was posted). With Ceska you can use DTA on the m249 just fine 👌

[onyx sage]

counterpoint: chc on lmg is higher than ceska chc

so you'd rather take chc on lmg + contractor than dta on lmg + ceska

[magic pilot]

Oh you're all day

[magic pilot]

Countercounterpoint with lmg chc you can't perfectly hit 60% chc on tipping

[onyx sage]

freaking nerd

get a load of this guy ☝️🤓

[magic pilot]

But I'd also take rof over dta

[strong cave]

Basically you could take Grupo + Contractors and ditch coyote but then that's like... 25% coyote close range vs permanent 13% grupo any distance

[magic pilot]

Since my build has no other sources besides the on kill gunner rof perk

[magic pilot]

Nah you need ceska or you can't hit 60%

[subtle bluff]

The math isn't hard to do.
Petrov so +10 WD and less CHC/CHD (Only took out -12 CHD)

• non-crit 364,484, crit 869,659
  Ceska more CHC/CHD (No extra WD and +12 CHD)
• Non-crit 350,168 crit 860,013
  Then DPS comes into play having to to mess with CHC is less overall.

[strong cave]

The difference is marginal

[subtle bluff]

I've always said for LMG stats is: CHC > RoF > DTA > w/e else.

[subtle bluff]

when you math it is in for DPS it does change a lot more.

I'm just going off of his build.

[strong cave]

At that rate I'd go what Average said and take contractors and then run CHC as 3rd attribute

[subtle bluff]

yup

[magic pilot]

Disgusting

Look at how perfect this is

[strong cave]

I take CHC on my Pesti/Bluescreen

[magic pilot]

I usually do too

[strong cave]

Everything else is DTA for me

[magic pilot]

But for tipping scales specifically I think 60% chc is super important

[strong cave]

I have mine at like 57.5%

[onyx sage]

yep

even if you have to overcap you want that 60%

[magic pilot]

Or you can perfectly hit 60😎

[onyx sage]

the chd you lose from overcapping in TS is a drop in the ocean

[magic pilot]

M60 with measured is kinda crazy @onyx sage have you tried yet?

[strong cave]

Anybody using bullet king with tipping? I fell in love with it 💀

[onyx sage]

meh i'm still iron lung fan

and yeah bullet king unironically good with TS

[subtle bluff]

Iron Lung with TS works for me on leggo.

[magic pilot]

I have iron lung as a secondary

[strong cave]

I love iron lung. Problem is I used it too much in PvE and PvP. Bullet king I liked but never saw it good for the damage it does. Till tipping hit

[subtle bluff]

I actually enjoy my TS pesti build on leggo quickly.

Since now suppressing is ok to do in a way.

[onyx sage]

it's napkin math but if a weapon (especially lmg) has lower than 780 rpm it is better with TS than with striker

[strong cave]

Personally I prefer to keep Pesti on striker. Noticed it performed a bit better

[strong cave]

That's due to requiring constant shooting to keep stacks which is basically why everyone is slapping BK on it

[onyx sage]

it's easy to use

[strong cave]

Too much rof and your magazine is empty before you even hit peak damage

[subtle bluff]

Supressing them and since I don't care because Pesti is ticking it works well.

[strong cave]

May as well call it Strained but as a gearset

[onyx sage]

i called it 4p strained the day it dropped lol

[strong cave]

😂 4 piece strained

[magic kettle]

any good catalyst build?

[magic pilot]

Not really atm

[pliant pelican]

is there any fun builds, that dosen't involve stiker?

[solar sable]

Without Global Modifiers crits are ~950k and with them they're 1,013mil

[pliant pelican]

what directives your rocking. or that watch thing in the middle?

[solar sable]

None atm, just running Heroic Retaliation like butter

[pliant pelican]

ah. is it out of cover on both guns? and i'm prob gotta grind countdown again.

[solar sable]

lmgs come with fixed dtoc but 3rd attribute is CHC

[pliant pelican]

ah

whats ur chd / chc.

[solar sable]

lemme check rq

[solar sable]

56.5CHC/129CHD

[pliant pelican]

noicu. welp back to countdown we go. fml i did run heartbreaker / carbine 7, but game decided to take it from me, so think imma try this build

originally. but sadge.

[worn imp]

issa joke dawg

[pliant pelican]

tho be curious. can this be done on AR as well or mainly LMG's?

[onyx sage]

AR talents are pretty bad so not really

[cinder wedge]

wish you could use that axe

[subtle bluff]

OD Tinkerer just LMG is just better choice over everything due the ammo size.

[pliant pelican]

just gotta get used too the no shield gamin

[cinder wedge]

so focus on making my armor have more crit chance and damage based stuff?

[coral reef]

Dont think im not reading all this LMG talk while I walk the dog

[subtle bluff]

Do you know about the build hub?

[cinder wedge]

i don't recall hearing about it

[magic pilot]

W

[subtle bluff]

Go to the Pinned Messages > GDoc > Build Hub
A ton of good info everywhere.

[cinder wedge]

oooooh the spreadsheet i forgot about that

also how do you get strikers?

[pliant pelican]

Countdown, summit. any spefific missions if you click R

[cinder wedge]

thanks i am running around foggy bottom rn trying to get a shotgun i doubt i will get it here tho

[pliant pelican]

same there :p you can put Shotgun as marked loot. and u have bigger % to get shotguns

[hallow arch]

I'm not max level yet but I wanna know if there are any viable dps skill builds out there that I can grind for once I hit lvl 40 (or 30, I haven't bought the DLC's yet sadly)

[obtuse crystal]

There’s a few that work but In some content using a weapon focused dps build is the only viable choice

Mainly raids and countdown

[hallow arch]

born to have fun, forced to succumb to the meta...

[obtuse crystal]

True

[subtle bluff]

In the build hub there's a level 40 Farm guide. Look there.

[hallow arch]

maybe a build focused on status effects? Probably the next best thing if Dps-Skill builds aren't gonna cut it

I saw the eclipse protocol gear set and I thought the talent it had would be fun lol

[obtuse crystal]

I counted that in my thoughts for dps builds lol

Eclipse is a great gearset tbh

[cinder wedge]

thanks

[obtuse crystal]

But also most likely won’t work at least for a majority of either of those

[onyx sage]

there are status effect support builds, but as damage dealers it's always a typical gun build. they can't really balance the game so that skill build users would be as strong as gun build users because they inherently take less risk

[hallow arch]

Fair enough, I guess I'll make 2 loadouts if that's the case, one with the meta dps gun build, the other with the fun stuff

[obtuse crystal]

That’s a lot of fun skill builds tbh eclipse fire and mortar are the main ones I think of

[pliant pelican]

for these builds, is it important to expertise ur second gun as well or only main?

[onyx sage]

that always works yeah. also our advice here is aimed towards players who want to excel in the hardest content, because it always works in content below that. if you want otherwise we have advice for that too but getting you ready for legendary/raid/incursion is the default

[onyx sage]

only main, the second one does not benefit from tinkerer

[hallow arch]

I see I see, I'm definitely missing some stuff like specializations, guns, etc., but once they're all sorted out, I got a ton of grinding to do once I hit lvl 40

[onyx sage]

also there'll be more than 2 loadouts you need to make

probably too many that only 1 character can hold

[hallow arch]

so ur saying if I reached that point I gotta make a new agent, and then do everything all over again?

[onyx sage]

do you have any of the dlcs?

[hallow arch]

no sadly, I'm planning to buy WoNY though

I assume I have to get WoNY to get to lvl 40?

[obtuse crystal]

They changed it you dont need the dlc anymore

[hallow arch]

On God??

[onyx sage]

you get lv40 with base game, wony gives lv30 boost tho

[hallow arch]

but I still need to buy the DLC to kill Keener?

[obtuse crystal]

Yep

[onyx sage]

yes

[hallow arch]

well thank God they changed it lmao, I was bummed out when they said I gotta buy WoNY to get to lvl 40

[obtuse crystal]

And get a few very good skills imo as well

[hallow arch]

oh yeah I forgot about those lol

[obtuse crystal]

You’ll be more than fine without it tho

[hallow arch]

Wait quick question does the Vile DoT work with Eclipse protocol?

hell yeah

Wait forgot to ask, what status effect is the best with Eclipse Protocol?

[solar sable]

you don't need it with OD, it's powerful enough already

sorry for the late response, I was taking a class at that moment

[shy willow]

Main routes are foam and fire

One for crowd control the other for mopping up rooms

[pliant pelican]

yeah i ain't doin this dps. mine is more Slow rising thne somewhat beaming.

[dusky sky]

any suggestion waht to do next as striker build

[solar sable]

1. Any weapon except LMGs need as 3rd attribute DTOC (DMG to Target out of Cover).
2. CHC has to be as close to 60% as possible.
3. Your gear has to have primarily CHD, then CHC. Keep in mind the previous advice.

[dusky sky]

do i just keep crafting exotic or how do i get optimal stat ?

[solar sable]

Keep reconfiguring it until you get DTOC.

[cerulean smelt]

Inaya sells reconfiguration blue prints. you'll just take your elmo's and some exotic components and craft/reconfigure until you get the DTOOC

[coral reef]

Maxed out Say Cheese + this = speed running heroic solo control points for the rest of the season 📸 🧀

[dusky sky]

what build is that ?

[coral reef]

Just the classic Hunter's Fury, but Say Cheese was like custom made for it

[dusky sky]

now what do i do ?

[cerulean smelt]

no techinican for the artificer hive?

[coral reef]

Feel like there is no need for it so far

[cerulean smelt]

optimize your AR and health damage to max

[cerulean smelt]

true, i got a hybrid build that i used to level it up and it's really nice having a bigger range for that blinding ability XD

[dusky sky]

also for the experitse level do i need to swap out guns and armor to stack proficient levels ?

[cerulean smelt]

you can, but would take you quite awhile to do so far as i know anyways. the other option would be donating random materials to it, think Printer Filaments were the most cost effective way?

personally i'd say don't worry about expertise in general. your goal if you haven't already is getting gear and putting the attributes/talents in your library first

[dusky sky]

optimize is random or guaranteed to max ?

[cerulean smelt]

if you have the max stat in your library it'll go to the max number

expertise only increases the White numbers on your gear/weapons by 30% for me it didn't feel like much in general

[dusky sky]

What do i aim for after my AR stat to max ?

[cerulean smelt]

whatever someone told you up above. getting crit chance to 55-60% then dump everything else into crit damage

just noticed your picture. that a level 31 weapon? if you're not 40 yet, then you shouldn't worry about builds just yet as you level up you're going to be swapping them out anyways

@dusky sky in case you didn't see this message
#td2-build-advice message

[dusky sky]

currently no mask and farming retaliations for it, i dont understand how to reach 60 CHC at this rate
most of my stats are almost at max i dont see any big increase in stat
i checked all my possible stat from gear/watch
i only have extra 7.9 CHC and 14.2 CHD to minmax

[hazy steeple]

@dusky sky You need to mod your gun for CHC, and the +20 mag size.

[dusky sky]

how do i mod exotic ?

[hazy steeple]

Post a picture of your build, just the main page that you see when you press I.

[cerulean smelt]

something tells me your 22.1 is actually you holding the shotgun

[dusky sky]

that was optimal range

[dusky sky]

prob missing blueprint? i only have 1 chc mod available

[cerulean smelt]

think people say elmo has some crit chance build in via mods on it?

[dusky sky]

ye u were right
but that still only adds up to 45% ?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, was going to say sheet shows 15% on the muzzle

[dusky sky]

@cerulean smelt

[cerulean smelt]

best i can come up with with 999 shd watch and getting your chance to 48 and accounting for coyote's 15-25 10% chance in place gets you to 58% chance
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXJC1VYQAOUTcrc7ATnChjoqcpW2MYea8uzFokItuTXvzRkhkqmARJCwATGqFqoYNUXSArLULIA7FJ7Cp2BNhMYLRjEA

if you swap to say a Famas you definitely hit 57% chancehttps://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXJC1VYQAOUTcrc7ATnChjrjkpYuW2PsNZ7ezFoRubXpX6C0ZUSIzZgnZpFABWcKkhIA7LT5hlOmMk3ScM6dgTYzVa+iA

[subtle bluff]

What's going on here?

Use the DPS calculator in the pinned messages. To measure your DPS correctly.

[cerulean smelt]

helping new bro with their striker build

[dusky sky]

not about dps, talking about how to get to optimal stat

[cerulean smelt]

nods what they're aiming for, working on their coyote mask atm, still in the 100's for shd level too

mrchow probably saw your formula for crit damage and chance and assumed DPS numbers were being discussed

[dusky sky]

the game belike, fk u, u aint getting any item for your striker set

[grizzled garnet]

Me when memento

(Memento is good but more focused on solo play)

[subtle bluff]

betters the stat = Better DPS

[subtle bluff]

Soo... When you're showing us this numbers is the stats page showing what gun is in your hand?

[dusky sky]

the 37.1 is st elmos

[hazy steeple]

@dusky sky What Chow is asking, is when you open the stats page, what gun is your Agent physically holding in their hand on the left-hand side of the screen.

[hazy steeple]

Okay better.
now what rolls do you have on your gear pieces?

[subtle bluff]

I believe this is it.

[dusky sky]

here

[cerulean smelt]

#td2-build-advice message

[subtle bluff]

OK...Not all 3 of us have to share it.

[hazy steeple]

Sorry I didn't quite catch that.

[subtle bluff]

@dusky sky here if this makes more sense to you.

Your SHD you shouldn't have any CHC into it yet your first stats should be Weapon Damage so you need to roll a few more into CHC.

get past 50% CHC then the rest into CHD and you'll be good.

[dusky sky]

so i should use set mask instead ?

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't matter.

the base build is 4pc striker w/BP, Ceska chest w/obil

The last piece can be almost w/e that you want to do.

You don't even need to use Striker BP if you are looking to do more upfront DPS or Memento, etc etc

[cerulean smelt]

for instance you could put on exodus gloves and get kind of a second chance mechanic built in

[subtle bluff]

That the AoK brandset.. (NEVER gonna remember how to spell it.)
Grupo there's a lot.

[cerulean smelt]

Palisade? or is it spelt Palasade? i always do the i

i'm just sad i couldn't use striker with tinkerer's mask and Lexington

[dusky sky]

what about handling?

[solar prairie]

Im running an 1886 1 shot build. For the holster, should I go with S.P Zoo (3rd piece, 30% wep handling) or is it better to go with Overlord for 10% rifle damage, or Harris and Walker (2nd piece, 5% damage to armor)

[subtle bluff]

2pc Breaking Point, 2pc Zoo, Chainkiller and Foxes

[solar prairie]

oh is that the BIS on each slot?

[dusky sky]

i mean the watch's handling

[solar prairie]

Im running turmoil, so no foxes.

[subtle bluff]

If you're going for HE 1886 more or less.

I have no comment with turmoil.

[subtle bluff]

Context helps when asking question.

SHD Red leveling order is: WD > CHC > CHD > HSD

[cerulean smelt]

well, i imagine you really do, but at this point you're just sounding like a broken record player

[subtle bluff]

I mean it also doesn't double dip anymore.

If a player understand fully how HH works they should understand what they need to do with it.

Why I also explain MMR/Hotshot 1-shot first before 1886.

But also 1886 I just got HHF most the time. It's what I use to solo 95% of Brooklyn DLC.

[cerulean smelt]

makes sense. i do enjoy pulling out my hotshot handbasket build from time to time

[solar prairie]

It still hits 22m on each target which speeds up my clear time

I also have a MMR hotshot build, i just like to rotate between both

[subtle bluff]

I mean.. speedrunning is a different story.

[solar prairie]

Just clearing CP4's

What does HHF mean?

[dusky sky]

what about other category, blue yellow ammo(green)

[subtle bluff]

tbh i don't remember those even.

[subtle bluff]

Head Hunter Fury

[solar prairie]

My current 1886 relies on tinkerer for rifleman on the second wep, but let me try 2zoo, 2breaking, chain killer and turmoil fox

[dusky sky]

Blue: HP, Armor, explosive resist, hazard resist
Yellow: skill damage/haste/repair/duration
Green: accuarcy, stabablity, reload, mag capacity

[subtle bluff]

Blue: Armor > w/e afterwards
Yellow: doesn't really matter
Green: ditto

there is no set prefect answer for those.

[solar prairie]

based on firing range damage
2pc zoo
2pc breaking
fox
chain killer
24.1M

Switched to tinkerer mask resulting in 1pc zoo( Backpack )
26.07M

[subtle bluff]

I mean tinkerer with the right talent ya.

[solar prairie]

Yeah rifleman on secondary

1 of the 2 breaking point I use is wephandling, the other is HSD. since I just want to get that 150% to activate HH

[dusky sky]

finally

[rocky cape]

Can someone share 2 or 3 op builds?

[honest moss]

Check the pins in this channel and check out the striker dps build, determined headhunter hotshot build. Ongoing directive is another super good dps build. The new tipping scales one is good too but is better for LMGs. Playstyle will be a big factor. Good luck!

[rocky cape]

I have this but i dont reach a very high damage there some advice?

Normaly my dmg is 700-800k

[subtle bluff]

did you read the first reply to your first question?

[honest moss]

Personally i would run a ceska chest with obliterate over the tipping scales one. Works out roughly the same with less stacking needed. Gr9 is a bit of a weak lmg but the 200 mag is nice. I guess weapon is a more personal choice but some good ones are the negev, mk48, mg5(lower mag). Might be forgetting some. RPK is decent too. But again most of it is whatever you wanna use. There is a DPS chart for them though if you want to min/max.

If you have an exotic you can swap tink out. I quite like the BK with that set and it has a natural CHC mod on it so getting up to CHC is easy. Ideally you want 60% or as close as possible with tipping scales. If you run coyote's mask you can go for 50%~ but just remember how your buffs work on the ranges.

[solar sable]

If you're tired of Striker’s lol

these are my three go to builds atm

PD: in the OD Tinkerer setup, you can use either GR9, MG5 or MK249 as primary. I'm using GR9 with Modifiers BUT if you're not using them then I highly suggest using the other two options instead. This is, if I'm not mistaken, because of an RPM issue.

[rocky cape]

This is a web page?

[solar sable]

google sheet*

[deep mulch]

besides that, there are 2 website for builds, too (pinned posts)

[subtle bluff]

Idk if he even looked there yet.

[dusky sky]

for the sniper build there's no good exotic MR?

[gentle lichen]

Shroud is good as well as nemesis
Mantis can be good but you need to play with a decoy and throw it all the time

[dusky sky]

farming for chainkiller is such a pain

[violet juniper]

Mantis, Shroud, Nemesis

all are ridiculously strong. you just have to git gud enough to not rely on Determined like 99% of sniper build players

[dusky sky]

wdym

[violet juniper]

determined is the auto headshot talent

a lot of players will refuse to use exotic snipers because then they'll actually have to aim

[dusky sky]

but u still have to aim every other shot

[violet juniper]

If determined kills on the first shot, you don't have to reaim a headshot

if you pop a helmet or hit a dog then you have to reproc

[dusky sky]

thats wat im saying, every other shot u have to aim

[solar prairie]

Not really, if none of your targets have helmets, there is no re-aim needed every other shot.

[dusky sky]

determined doesnt trigger on its own kill, so u do need to reaim after that

[quartz ermine]

try this

[dusky sky]

what is that build

[violet juniper]

... It does

perfect determined does not reproc, normal determined does

the only time it doesn't is if you hit something that either doesn't die in one hit, or isn't a target (i.e weak point)

[violet juniper]

Do not try this

It's ok, just please change the chest lmao

[subtle bluff]

Also there's killer too...

[quartz ermine]

lol no :)),why give up 25 stacks from the vest, that's a 175 crit in minus

[dusky sky]

is this outdated then ?

[solar prairie]

This is the ingame description, I dont know what you are getting that information.

[dusky sky]

wiki

[red island]

dont trust outdated wiki, always look the game text instead

[violet juniper]

Yup

Wiki isn't reliable. It still says intimidate is 35% amp to enemies within 10 meters iirc

[violet juniper]

Same situation as striker chest mate

It's rare that you're actually going to see that damage.

[red island]

you wont ever stack that much, everything will be dead before unless legendary difficulty

[dusky sky]

headhunter is very important with determined

[subtle bluff]

Don't use wiki. Use the Gearsheet

[subtle bluff]

That's another what 3-4 sec of stacking?
Vs
Building another stack that lets you do more and quicker.

[quartz ermine]

what are you talking about,
just because it doesn't happen to you to reach max stacks, doesn't mean it doesn't happen to me
for me, who plays retaliation solo, it happens quite often

[subtle bluff]

I mean it's because I'm running thru it faster than you.

Solo or in squad.

[solar prairie]

Can you link me to this?

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages

[grizzled garnet]

Community spreadsheet 🙏

[versed summit]

don't don't trust game text either

[red island]

unless bugged, ingame text is trustworthy most of the time

[versed summit]

it's wrong enough that if you actually care you should check somewhere else

[magic pilot]

Sledgehammer

[red island]

fine i'll sledge your hammer

[hexed steppe]

With diminishing returns and the fact that youre loading the damage on the backend, glass would be better. Front loading damage is way better for ttk

[coral reef]

What SMG would you use for this? I'm happy with Ouroboros, it's a monster of course, but I can't stop thinking it could be better. Any suggestions please? Maybe Dark Winter? This is only for solo play, speed running heroic missions and control points with max Say Cheese.

[loud pine]

smg 9

[fervent ore]

Anyone got a st elmos engine build?

[violet juniper]

Backfire!!!!!!!;

Backfire is the best possible choice for that build, trust me on this

[coral reef]

but the bleed

[violet juniper]

read your gear set bonuses

plus Memento gives bonus armour and armour regen

Backfire bleed isn't something to be afraid of anymore

[coral reef]

I totally forgot about the +50% Health on Kill thing! you just might be right, I will try it tonight

[magic pilot]

I'd run intimidate tbh

Backfire is decent but for open world I'd run Ouro/smg9/chatter

[subtle bluff]

Tac Vector 9mm w/killer

[coral reef]

Thank you all for the suggestions, I will definitively try them all. That Hunter's Fury build was actually the first I ever did after the "drone/turret" we all begin with. I had it gathering dust, but then I tried it with maxed out Say Cheese and yeah... it almost feels like cheating, for speed running solo control points and heroic missions, perfect for this season.

[onyx sage]

you're better than the average player now, i can't live with full red like that or i turn into mincemeat

[coral reef]

it has a two core shield, which is not much (I used it with Technician spec for another yellow core), but with Say Cheese I switched to gunner and it works even better

[onyx sage]

see, i can't do that

[coral reef]

he thinks we havent seen his speedruns with headshot HF

[onyx sage]

such... wild... accusations...

[violet juniper]

what speed runs?

[patent fossil]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Hr-YqowhRXk

[magic pilot]

I really like how the iron lung video is one of his most viewed

[violet juniper]

That's AI

[red island]

wym ai ?

[patent fossil]

Ah, well spotted. The average player makes good use of AI these days, everyone's doing it

[violet juniper]

It's clearly AI, average players don't make speed runs

[onyx sage]

correct

[red island]

yeah but its not average player

[onyx sage]

nah i am average player

[violet juniper]

I dunno who this enny guy is, but he's definitely using ai

[onyx sage]

says here on the employee name tag

[violet juniper]

I love the idea of my work name tag saying "person" on it

[lost wren]

what should you be using for retaliation? or is it just the same old builds people have always been using?

[red island]

good old dps build is fine

[lost wren]

striker should work

[coral reef]

Striker is the swiss army knife of builds, works in any PVE situation in the game. Just equip Rupert's tear like everyone else should be doing and you're good to go.

[merry seal]

Hm. Been running a marksman rifle as an offset to my LMG, but thinking I might have to swap to a DMR or rifle, since with pestilince I feel I need to be closer to the target, so something to reach out and poke that jerk who only shows his head for a second. Might have to get a SVD or something for that 'I can't get close enough' range.

[lost wren]

rupert's tear?

[merry seal]

a modifier thats applied via inventory that shatters all armor plates if you shatter 1. A god send against tanks

[lost wren]

damn i need to complete journey 2 then
just need one more headshot kill against a sniper lol

[strong cave]

Target black tusk missions or Hyenas/Cleaners

[merry seal]

however I 'think' you need to shatter all of a tanks armor.. to unlock ruperts tear. Which should be simple enough to get, if someone has ruperts tear and gets a tank.. it counts for you.

[lost wren]

i think i did that already(?)

i'd have to go and check
what are the meta modifiers to run

[red island]

anything u like tbh

[lost wren]

oh cool

[merry seal]

i've been running 'bad grenade' and ruperts tear. Also have the shield reflect one, but only had that equipped since I was trying to do that journey step

[coral reef]

those are the best + the one that gives you hollow point ammo if you headshot any rusher

[lost wren]

time to log back on the game then

[strong cave]

Per chance do you know how to get these knocked out quickly?

[merry seal]

Hm. might have to run something focusing on marksman rifles, just to see what I get. Been using a covert SRS but find it fires a little bit slow for me. Willing to take the alpha drop, if I can put rounds down range easier. Toss up between something like a SVD or a scar.

[magic pilot]

I've been running this, although IKia suggested I run PGC over ceska since I'm running glass

[coral reef]

i'm missing that one, but i did a couple of them naturally, by matchmaking with random people on Heroic missions and just activating the skill whenever possible

[strong cave]

I'm quite literally activating it at the start of legendary to ensure I face tank it and it's doing legit nothing

Keeping it active for 35s is near impossible too

[coral reef]

are you using blue cores or memento? remember that it can bug out

[strong cave]

I'm using 1-3 blue cores. Going to assume it's another one of those "don't use blue cores" things?

I purposely took memento off to prevent it from bugging out since other objectives bug out from memento

[paper belfry]

there's a mission with a bunch of light cubes at the start of it..i dont remember which.
But I ran that on normal and got 5/5 doing the very beginning part up to a door opening and reset.
Not much help but im sure someone else knows the mission.

For tanking 1m dmg, I ran the beginning of district union on legendary, activated it in the middle of everyone and that worked

[magic pilot]

Federal bunker

[lost wren]

what active modifiers do you guys use?

[subtle bluff]

Zero here. I forget about them.

[coral reef]

join the fun, they are amazing!

[subtle bluff]

I mean I've had the turn when doing MMR. All I know is my ammo disappears.

[coral reef]

what are we going to do with Retaliation kill squads after this season without Rupert's Tear

[subtle bluff]

Those guys need a buff.

[magic pilot]

We need legendary for retaliation

It's too easy, I died once to a kill squad and it wasn't technically to them, a random red enemy spawned behind me

[subtle bluff]

Imo they just need to raise the scaling overall.

Not by any crazy amount

[strong cave]

So far it's working 🙏 found advice from another user here to equip a defender drone and run a few blues and tank damage doing the same method you said

[gentle lichen]

they went for the master mission mindset when doing retaliation
just sending countless elites your way thinking it would increase difficulty

[magic pilot]

Basically

[solar sable]

fk yeah we need it

[coral reef]

I mean we have two enemy AI types in the game: the brain dead normal enemies (that are fun to kill, don't get me wrong). And the actually competent Rogue agents and Hunters that use skills and are more agressive and intelligent. Retaliation is just like the Mercenaries mode in Resident Evil games, just kill the hordes against the clock. It's fun

[solar sable]

kill squads should be something in between those two groups and that would make it more interesting

no one said it wasn't fun but imagine more aggressive encounters but keeping the fun

[coral reef]

Defending the "retaliation" in a CP is just staying in cover slaying the enemies that charge at you midlessly from a mile away. What if they would use cover, and throw drone bombs and mortars at you, while others flank? oh yeah, that's Legendary difficulty

[onyx sage]

i'd like it if hunters actually showed up

if they're just not going for legendary difficulty for it

[magic pilot]

Hunter's or rogues

Sorry I mean rouges

[onyx sage]

i want the one that has a furry or something

[honest moss]

"Kill squad detected agent be careful" queue 20 hunters running out of an alleyway... would love to see that actually.

[solar sable]

not even tank """"""meta"""""" regen builds would compete against that

[honest moss]

The one agent who was last to leave the last control point showing up like nah i'm good

[stark flicker]

Turret section of leggo tb?

[strong cave]

Finished already

[pliant pelican]

is there another talent, of killer on main gun, to match with Sadist? curious, to test aroun

[obtuse crystal]

Pressure point is a good choice as well

[pliant pelican]

bet. imma try it out later.

[magic pilot]

Killer by far the strongest

[solar sable]

Credits to Chow

[patent fossil]

pressure point has better uptime though (how much that is worth in practice is rather more difficult to measure)

[coral reef]

damn

[patent fossil]

This is my current 'slightly off-meta' experimentation: Kill bottom-tier enemies with overdogs bonus, then you get the stacking Strega bonus as you move up to the tougher enemies. As long as you're fighting groups of enemies, it hits pretty hard (I've seen over 2m without any team buffs, although that's quite rare). Obvious downside is you're reloading every few seconds, especially with season modifier ROF buff.

I must say I'm not really a fan of trying to prioritise enemies by overdog tier instead of threat/convenience though

[magic pilot]

If solo, the uptime isn't really a consideration for killer imo

[sudden maple]

I've seen some players running with the Tipping scales gear. I went to summit to farm this is wat I got. Did a test play dam this build is doing the work.
If the is anything I can change please advise.

[subtle bluff]

Ceska chest and a different weapon talent.

[solar sable]

^ that and crits on all your gear

[coral reef]

is that the smoke bomb exotic? you don't need it really. Try the new exotic skeleton gloves or even better: Contractor's Gloves that comes with LMG damage and damage to armor for everyone.

[hazy steeple]

Well, not everyone.

[subtle bluff]

I like being a ninja sometimes.

[onyx sage]

that's why you run ninjabike

...kneepads, cover to cover somewhat makes you look like one

[subtle bluff]

Kage Bunshin no Jutsu!

[gloomy spruce]

What about the backpack?

[onyx sage]

what's that?

[gloomy spruce]

You know all about the ninjabike backpack.

[onyx sage]

why is this man monologuing

[gloomy spruce]

I am monologuing because no one will have a conversation with me.
😭

[pliant pelican]

i am thinking is there anything i can improve on here. bc it does not feel like my dmg is just there. it takes like a lil while for it to build up.

[gloomy spruce]

I think it could be the LMG's. Also what status effects are you relying on to start your battles? Is it the foam from the grenade?

[pliant pelican]

uh. that idk i just got recommended it by a lad in here, who sent me a video of em "gaming" and they just melted a death squad. but for me it takes a while to build up

[onyx sage]

you need to apply a status effect to proc the set. right now you have no easy way of applying it

[gloomy spruce]

^This above.

Also LMGs are known for having great sustain, but low initial burst especially those 2.

[onyx sage]

sir i'm getting ready for my premiere™

[pliant pelican]

i do have blue screen / iron lung / pestilence and the usual vile masks / cataclyst. is it a switch i need or, what's missin.

[onyx sage]

literally just use a skill that applies status, like riot foam, emp sticky, emp jammer

[gloomy spruce]

Swap the decoy for foam or emp sticky if going against BTSU.

[onyx sage]

you're going to have to forgo either the decoy or revive hive or both

[gloomy spruce]

An LMG with strained is a better choice than killer. Killer relies on death by crit. Strained just relies on shooting.

[magic pilot]

Your lmg choice

[pliant pelican]

i forgor i was ze minigun i got the banshee pulse thing.

feels weird not rockin a shield tbh.

[subtle bluff]

what's your CHC/CHD?

[magic pilot]

Banshee pulse is by far the easiest way to proc, emp sticky is most consistent since you can proc on electronics

[pliant pelican]

55% chc 116.2% chd

[magic pilot]

Ceska backpack
Banshee pulse to proc
M249/mk46 for lmg choice

[subtle bluff]

Not fully optimize I'm guessing?

[magic pilot]

Running wicked on the backpack will help keep dmg more consistent if you notice you have low vigi uptime

[subtle bluff]

Again in the Pinned Messages there's Gdoc > Build Hub there's full guide for OD tinkerer

[pliant pelican]

negative. i am atm at 60% chc - 103.2% chd with ceska bp & vigiliance. but can hopefuly find a new bakcpack

[peak moss]

Hello everyone, just putting together a heartbreaker build, just wondering how I’m supposed to gain a high crit damage number

[magic pilot]

Check the pinned google sheet

There's an HB setup with the ideal loadouts

[subtle bluff]

Use LMG or SMG for it otherwise ya hard to get up there.

[subtle bluff]

LMG stats is?

[pliant pelican]

these 2. uh i gotta see if i own them

[magic pilot]

I actually have a question for the math guys

[pliant pelican]

these is my choice of weapons.

[onyx sage]

we don't know. that'll be $200

[peak moss]

Currently using a dark winter

[subtle bluff]

Wasn't the question.

[magic pilot]

Do I drop a chd weapon mod to hit 60% chc

Running PGC over ceska because

[pliant pelican]

y'all mean this?

[wispy hollow]

Run a Ceska bp with Wicked. Run Frenzy or Measure on your GR9. Use the Banshee Pulse to start fight then mow them down to get hollow point bullets. Now just continue killing everything.

[onyx sage]

because the 4% you gain from pgc over gc is better

[subtle bluff]

He's not wrong but PGC isn't always easy to run for the Avg player

[onyx sage]

and if everyone's the average player...

no one will be.

[pliant pelican]

i can craft the mk46, but not the M249.

[magic pilot]

Yea but this part

Also I have rof on the m60

Would chc be better since im not running ceska now?

I'm gonna have to build calc it

[subtle bluff]

You have to change it around.

[magic pilot]

Change what around

[subtle bluff]

your CHC/CHD to add PGC.

[magic pilot]

Yea it's 58/89

With PGC

[pliant pelican]

if i'd run Pestilence, what would my mask be of choice? vile / coyote / cataclyst.

[wispy hollow]

I have never run Pesti with OD. My choice would be Coyote if I do.

[pliant pelican]

never rlly tried pesti, so figured why not give it a shot.

[subtle bluff]

Pesti isn't worth much on OD.

[mossy thorn]

I need help

[red island]

im making a cleaner build

some people just wanna watch the world burn, and im one of them

[obtuse crystal]

eclipse fire would be great for that :3

[red island]

nah eclipse is fine to spread fire but i wanna one big fire

i wanna make that fker burn

[buoyant berry]

Exuro?

I mean, it would fit the "one big fire" card lol

[red island]

same, not enough burn

[solar sable]

Just ask. Don't ask to ask. smh...

[red island]

its for one person, ortiz is for a group

i wanna make that 1 guy burn endlessly, not the group

[subtle bluff]

I swear I have clip some where on here of it./

[buoyant berry]

Guys, trying to fit Birdie on a build somehow because the item is fun, if not slighty underpowered. Can either fit it on a red FI build or on a Refactor build
Where does it make more sense to fit on?

[subtle bluff]

Either do more dmg.

[hexed steppe]

with the set talent stacking a ton chd, a couple chd rolls wont make a difference. i would definitely hit 60%chc

how i roll on my setups anyways

[hexed steppe]

eclipse is the only fire setup worth running..

[magic pilot]

Yea that's what I ended up going for

[red island]

I didn't say it should be viable, I just wanna make a guy burn

[red island]

on future initiative it's fine, but I'd still take btsu gloves instead cause of overcharge for the team to reset their hive

[red island]

obviously for more burn on more people eclipse is king

[subtle bluff]

BTSU stats that it gives should be overlooked too.

[red island]

nvm I didn't see it was on dps build

[magic pilot]

i did the math. rof is still better than chc

[hallow arch]

is ongoing directive a good gearset?

maybe raid/countdown viable?

[solar sable]

I would say that it can't be viable for raids, however it can be used for team support in Countdown

[hallow arch]

that's nice, what about retaliations? Idk I'm not lvl 40 yet

but I'm trying to cook up some builds lol

[solar sable]

it's neat for solo retal, been running it for a while now and it melts things

[hallow arch]

sweet, quick question would it be redundant if I use it with Ridgeway's pride?

[solar sable]

ehhh not a great choice to swap OD chest for ridge

[hallow arch]

noted

'cus I was thinking of some...unorthodox ways to use it lol

smth involving the Bluescreen and Chameleon

Honestly I hope that whatever I had in mind works since it sounds fun lol

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages there's really good guide for OD

[lofty frigate]

🤔

[red island]

damn lvl 23 shroud but lvl 0 skills

[patent fossil]

Some skills are worth upgrading, some very much aren't

[meager fog]

Iirc Revive hive upgrades are useless

[red island]

my completionism is rolling in its grave

[patent fossil]

And fire chem upgrades actively make it worse in some situations

[red island]

isnt it more damag e?

[patent fossil]

It's more burst damage at ignition, but if you're running eclipse and that burst one-shots an enemy, it won't spread to others, making it useless for eg solo Hard league runs and similar

[red island]

suffering from success

[lofty frigate]

Skill duration is enough

It's for enemy scanning, so don't need a skill tier

[strong cave]

Why 3 piece urban lmao

[magic pilot]

30% mmr dmg

[strong cave]

3 wasted slots when you could've did 2 PC hotshot and Chainkiller chest

Or 2 piece breaking point and Chainkiller chest

[magic pilot]

I'm right there with you lol

[strong cave]

Here's a crazier idea, 2 piece Habsburg, Chainkiller chest, 1 piece providence

[lofty frigate]

just another sniper build

i know about that

[buoyant perch]

Sniper builds are binary, either you can do oneshot or you can't. If it gets the job done, it doesn't matter.

[red island]

yeah but its cool, dont you like being cool ?

[paper belfry]

Anyway people make OD builds a little tankier?
Using the one in the wiki and finding myself to be a little TOO paper thin.
I am assuming it'd just be going for another armour core or two?

[red island]

u can use picaro, but tbh most dps build are just squichy cause thats how it works

[lofty frigate]

[strong cave]

At most use 2 armor cores

[magic pilot]

What the

[strong cave]

I can see they're going for meme builds. Gotta respect it tbh

[lofty frigate]

Here's my answer to why I don't use Chain Killer on Hotshot.

[magic pilot]

I mean that's still not really an answer

Chainkiller gives the most second shot dmg, which can be the difference of oneshotting a yellow or not

Whereas running something other than chainkiller doesn't start your stacking at a higher tier enemy

[red island]

i wanted to make a build with overclok talent but damn it works with like only turret and hive (and remote pulse) thats such a bummer

doesnt work with seeker or drone thats so dumb

should at least work with smart cover but not either

even decoy doesnt work

[grave cave]

Do u like snipers?

[pastel tapir]

is heartbreaker even good? ive tried it and im not seein the hype, i mean strikers with gunner+memento cheeses everything but this is seemin like high dps but no survivabilty

[red island]

it's pretty good, but tbh nothing compares to striker dps wise on a single target at a time

the only real contender would be nego cause it's aoe but that's about it

and the oneshot builds until u face a tank/helmet

[pastel tapir]

I mean don't get me wrong, its good for dps, but striker memento on gunner, the DPS and survivability is just unmatched. I kind of expected heartbreaker to be better because of the bonus armor, but im not really seein it yk?

[red island]

it def is there, more than striker, but obv running only red doesn't give much armor to begin with, you will be tankier, but you cant facetank still

[pastel tapir]

I get wym, but having to pulse enemies is kind of lame just to profit from the stacks, I mean 1/4 of the time the laser pointer doesnt even pulse for me

[red island]

the laser does pulse even if it's not shown visually, as long as u aim at the target

u still get the bonus damage

[pastel tapir]

I guess so. I probably just skipped over it because there was no visual. Do you think theres another way to pulse while using gunner without sacrificing a skill slot? I mean obv the headshots but Im not a crackshot

[red island]

I mean normal pulse is fine, u can also run nightwatcher for near 100% uptime but I find it annoying tbh also that locks u out of coyote or tinkerer

but not hitting headshot and not having pointer is def a huge problem for dps

[pastel tapir]

gonna try that, Im running memento for the consisten 30+ dmg+the run and gun

[wraith zealot]

hey guys, what's the BIS stat for chameleon?

for 3rd slot

[hexed steppe]

banshee pulse pulses and disorients

but youre just better off using tech class and linked laser.. or maybe, not run hb and just go striker

[hexed steppe]

damage to targets out of cover is bis for anything other than lmg

[pastel tapir]

real

[wraith zealot]

ok i have to ask, what's for lmg then, also thank you for the answer

[hexed steppe]

chc

or rof

lmg has dttooc as second stat, otherwise it would fall in with all the other weapons

[magic pilot]

There's only 1 build that uses rof to my knowledge and 1 build that uses DTA

[hexed steppe]

so with overdogs doing a heavy amp on lowest ranking npcs, has anyone tested it with nego yet? might be a pretty crafty way to utilize that amp on high ranking targets

[wraith zealot]

also suppose i dont have dttooc chameleon yet, what's 2nd best stat for 3rd slot? you cant recalibrate exotic no? unless i missed something

[smoky latch]

Yes you missed something

[magic pilot]

I haven't unlocked them yet, so no testing done on my end

[wraith zealot]

you can recalibrate exotic 3rd slot?

[red island]

thought about it but I'm not sure it's efficient until you memorized all tiers by heart to maximize dps when just getting tinkerer is dumb free dps

[subtle bluff]

Need to unlock it.

[magic pilot]

You have to recraft the weapon

[hexed steppe]

there is no memorization needed

ill mess with it tonight i think. i ben all in on tipping scales last couple days

[magic pilot]

Same

[magic pilot]

My Nego setup rn is PGC and ceska

I'll have to drop ceska for overdogs

[red island]

kinda needed if you wanna maximize dps?

[hexed steppe]

cant tell chungas from red bars?

i think its gonna be op on nego. especially with transfer being buffed a while back

[magic pilot]

I hope the dmg transfers to both targets

[hexed steppe]

It should. The crits damage will be increased on the low ranked target, and i think nego just looks at the end result to transfer.

Same happened when you run foxs, as long as target is out of cover, mark will take that damage even if they behind cover

[red island]

not the issue lol don't make me explain it u know better

[hexed steppe]

Don't underestimate yourself.

Its a very simple hierarchy and you already prioritize the biggest threats. Just gotta flip the script

[patent fossil]

not nego, but I've been running overdogs with strega and it's pretty funny when you get a few amps combined, I've seen numbers >3m on occasion (although generally it's in the 1-2m range)

[hexed steppe]

Nice

[magic pilot]

That's a good combo ngl

[coral reef]

for me, the most dangerous ones are always those pesky red bars! they are the most agressive imo

[magic pilot]

Might try HF with overdogs and Strega, HF backpack for more CC, will help with constant Strega reloads

[patent fossil]

it is annoying having to pick targets by tier order instead of threat/convenience though

[hexed steppe]

Pfe agent spotted

[patent fossil]

this is with almost max season modifier buff btw

[hazy steeple]

Bronco Cop vibes.

Bird' knows what I'm talking about.

[red island]

don't overestimate the average player lmao

[hazy steeple]

Ya know kettle, I looked at the Strega+striker combo the other day and I was wondering how it'd handle this Season.
I am definitely going to have to take a look at that setup.

[patent fossil]

even the non crits hit crazy hard

[coral reef]

Damn it's Strega season and I love the look of that gun, will try that one for sure.

[red island]

strega is pretty good tbh idk why it's slept on

[patent fossil]

small mag mainly

but the accuracy is great, as you can see

[coral reef]

I was toying yesterday with Tipping Scales, Bluescreen and Centurion's Scabbard putting those RPM and damage bonus every 12 seconds, it was amazing too

[hazy steeple]

With all the incidental farming I've been doing recently via Retal', I need something to spend the mats on.

I need a nerd to put up a Tipping Scales build.

[coral reef]

we got you chief

check this one out, I use it too, just with the M249 B LMG.

gloves are Contractor's

[hazy steeple]

I just assume those are going to be in most endgame LMG setups, although less often when it's a gearset.
ta for the link.

[wild ridge]

I think pgc contractors is pretty strong

Because it helps your noncrits as well as crits

[hazy steeple]

I'mma skip out the GC, not a big fan.

[wild ridge]

Yeah I wasn't for a while either

Then I learned how to peek effectively with striker, and I started loving it.

All thanks to @onyx sage

[hazy steeple]

It's very much not a matter of not knowing how to play with it on, I just don't like it.

[red island]

my issue rn is that I don't have loadout slots aviable for more build it pains me

[hazy steeple]

Ugh, double negative.

[obtuse crystal]

make more characters more loadouts tbh

[wild ridge]

Obliterate seems like it'd be the second best option. Since you're hitting crits anyways

[hazy steeple]

That's my usual go-to, it's just a good piece for crits, and I can use the one chest across multiple loadouts.

[wild ridge]

Exactly

[red island]

where is it double?

[hazy steeple]

"not a matter of not knowing".

bad grammar.

I should know better.

[wild ridge]

Idk it just loses dmg in comparison to GC, which is why I prefer the latter.

[red island]

oh u meant your own message

[red island]

everything lose vs gc dps wise tbh, that's not a good metric

[wild ridge]

Not necessarily. I think striker chest at max stack outdoes it, which is viable in some scenarios and with some guns.

Pgc < headhunter in terms of headshot builds, ofc.

[wild ridge]

Could be wrong about striker chest though

[red island]

striker chest is almost never at max stacks, so uptime is def not good vs gc

gc is always active

[wild ridge]

I mean I can keep it pretty much at max in a solo legendary with elmo

[red island]

think about how often people run legendaries solo

[wild ridge]

I do it all the time .-.

But my point is rather that legendary in general is one place where it can be used, as the enemies have more health in larger groups. Additionally, the incursion is a great example

[hazy steeple]

I mean, I think most endgame players at this point know that Strikers Chest is only useful when enemies have comically large HP pools.

[pliant pelican]

is Tipping Scales the new gearset? is that anything good. or eh? i haven't seen it befor o:

[red island]

it's decent alternative to striker for dps

not my taste tho I dislike it's stacking mecanics

[wild ridge]

Same tbh

[subtle bluff]

But are you shoot longer enough to stack it all the way?

[wild ridge]

Yes

At least, with the Elmo.

[subtle bluff]

Your empty full mags non stoop?

[hexed steppe]

I run with pesti like this... bluescreen or other lmg I run ceska glass+contractors or overdogs

Use ar over rifle tho

[wild ridge]

Pretty much yeah, I'm constantly shooting. If I'm not shooting I'm reloading, and if not that, I'm pushing.

[subtle bluff]

I feel doubtful because you'd get agro and take cover

I never use chest in leggo even when carrying a team

[hazy steeple]

I can never escape Banshee Pulse.

[wild ridge]

I use to always use it till I started using GC. Ig my point is that if you're not using GC it's a viable alternative

And that theoretically at max stack it can outdps gc

[subtle bluff]

Ceska obil work fine leggo more dps and uptime vs striker chest

[wild ridge]

Ceska obli in the big 25 seems crazy to me but I surpose.

[subtle bluff]

Big 25?

[hazy steeple]

I'm more curious about "surpose".

[wild ridge]

My way of saying suppose

[hazy steeple]

Everyone needs a hobby.

some people juggle geese!

[subtle bluff]

[magic pilot]

Nemesis is goated, he knows what's up

[solar sable]

slang or whatever of "in 2025"

[subtle bluff]

Why not run tinkerer?

[magic pilot]

Not a fan personally

Tinkerer version

[pliant pelican]

how would Perfect creeping death fit with ongoin directives. + tinkerer?

[stone beacon]

any advice for catalyst pvp solo build ?

[magic pilot]

It doesn't

[pliant pelican]

did put me at 55% chc & 120% chd. but ig ceska do be go to

[magic pilot]

theres no point in creeping death with OD since you should pretty much always have OD rounds in the gun

[coral reef]

any ETA on this?
Tipping scales iKia / PR Y6 S3 Docs Coming soon

[magic pilot]

working on it rn actually

i finished some testing for it last night

[coral reef]

mine looks just like this actually, only with Iron Lung

[hazy steeple]

Not a single person got the firefly reference.
And you call yourself nerds.

I'm taking your cards away.

[sudden maple]

Hi guys I'm struggling to get optimizing meterial. You see the bottom one with 00 where can I farm for it?

[onyx sage]

crafting or redeem with scavenging points

[dreamy spruce]

Crazy that show didn’t go further than it did

[hazy steeple]

Fox do be like that.

[subtle bluff]

one of the few things I"m not a nerd about funny enough.

[sudden maple]

Thanks you very much I've been struggling to get them.

[strong cave]

Uno Reverse Card

[magic pilot]

check it out when you can, let me know if i need to fix anything or add stuff

[dry walrus]

Do you know guys if this damage with the DMG is enough?

[solar sable]

dmg with the... dmg? what...?

[magic pilot]

win+ shift + s

[subtle bluff]

Just showing dmg numbers doesn't show the full output of your dmg. Use the DPS calculator in Pinned.
Also more context helps.

[molten blade]

Is the Bighorn viable?

[red island]

please my lord it's all I have and I haven't watched firefly in so long I barely remember how leaf soar in the wind

[magic pilot]

viable yes, good? no

[red island]

in pvp it's capable of being a menace

[zenith plover]

what's a good skill build for retaliation?

or an armor regen/armor on kill build, tired of stacking builds

[red island]

Hunter fury fit that description, for skill build there are several options, hard wired is the easiest basic set up

[subtle bluff]

For retaliation heroic I don't think skills are just good for them. Challenging you can do EP Fire.

[zenith plover]

I see so would a hunters fury/chatterbox suffic for heroic retaliation??

[subtle bluff]

Idk about chatter but HF would be good.

[solar sable]

Hunter's furry Fury

[red island]

chatterbox prob not, hunters fury def yes

[coral reef]

Pair it with Say Cheese and report back 🫡

[tired falcon]

the closest I got is using Refactor set but just about any ordinary dps loadout performs way better....so if you're bored and want to experiment, Refactor might be worth trying.
Other than that maybe a Vile Eclipse build using something like Iron Lung....maybe...in Retaliation mode you really can't afford to have your average per target time to kill being more than 3 or 4 seconds, otherwise you will run out of time

[hazy steeple]

That was Serenity, not Firefly.
I'm also cancelling your nerd insurance.

[merry seal]

Maybe a stupid question. I've been randomly googling builds, and one build (I've lost it now) suggested basically dual wielding LMG's. Would there be a reason to do this (like having a second LMG gives you a larger ammo pool).. or just 'your already kitted out for LMG's so were capitalizing.

[solar sable]

double wielding LMGs? that's a new one
afaik you can, atm, combine both talents from your primary and secondary weapons

Where did you read this?

And no, having two weapons of the same type doesn't make your ammo pouch grow larger

[merry seal]

yeah sorry. not dual wielding per say, just was meaning having LMG primary and secondary. Can't find it now.. swear I saw it. Maybe I misread. sorry. Too many reddit and 'odd one off' site and stuff i've been browsing

[solar sable]

ah, yeah it was what I mentioned earlier, Tinkerer mask combines both talents of primary and secondary weapons as long as they're:

1. Same type
2. Not named nor Exotic

[onyx sage]

also you're only using the primary lmg, you're not going to "use" both, the second one is just a talent dummy

[coral reef]

Yeahh Tipping Scales on the build bible!! I would only add that the TS Vest shines on Retaliations

[lament reef]

pestilence lengmo is super chill
kind of annoying to farm for but even a 3/4 chest and bag will let you clear them easy

[subtle bluff]

TS vs is pretty good.

[hexed steppe]

go glass or go home 😎

[hexed steppe]

yeah, overdogs on nego 🔥 .
ill go out on a limb and suggest it may be bis... at least till one of the maths guys hammers my ego with cold calculation. just flip flopping same targets yielded a pretty solid damage gain tho

[merry seal]

Currently using cloak knee pads because the set gives +weapons, and a bit of reduced threat. Petrov's gloves because, LMG :D I know there's tweaks (like a better face mask), I just don't know 'what' tweaks

[gentle lichen]

start with using the contractor's gloves instead of a normal petrov and cloak isnt good
switch chest for obliterate ceska and max out your chc

[merry seal]

Yeah haven't found contractors yet. I thought you'd like swap the head instead of the chest since the chest has the 'higher number of stacks'.

[coral reef]

Trying it now, with bluescreen right?

[hexed steppe]

i was using elmo, but it will be the same with whatever gun you use

[coral reef]

I mean my build is "bluescreen dilemma" from the bible

[hazy steeple]

I think most bluescreens are a dilemma.

[hexed steppe]

does it use the nego bag

dont disrespect my bluescreen, im sensitive 😂

[coral reef]

Of course

[hexed steppe]

ok cool. make sure to build up to 60% chc, since coyote not gonna be used (if you followed guide exactly)

[coral reef]

Done

Ahhh I forgot how good Nego Dilemma is plus the ROF bonus to Bluescreen and the additional damage to the hardest hitting LMG... Best season ever

[cerulean smelt]

you sure of that? (> <)

[coral reef]

I also cant wait for the actual math, but it does feel way better than with Coyote's for sure

[gentle lichen]

higher stacks = more time and effort to upkeep

[hexed steppe]

with pestilence you should really run a glass chest. itll improve your weapon damage, pesti ticks, and improve the damage from your skills.

[hexed steppe]

yeah, this be melting spawns 🍻

[subtle bluff]

There a reason I have 2 Ceska Chest because of this build and carrying bad leggo groups with tanks...

[hazy steeple]

Small error, you forgot to use Obliterate in that setup, instead you put GC.

easy mistake to make.

[hexed steppe]

glass is 😍

[hazy steeple]

me playing GC when the ping acts up🔨

[hexed steppe]

once yall realize you die just as quick with oblit, then youll come around . i dont like waiting to stack when it comes to running nego

[onyx sage]

see, the average player dies in 2 hits

[hexed steppe]

100% longer lifespan

[hazy steeple]

Local' over here with that Exptertise 30 on all 6 gear bits

[onyx sage]

240% armor!

uh 180% i can't math

[hazy steeple]

it's 180% more than I had before!

[hexed steppe]

come now, i have more important things to expertise...

[hazy steeple]

I'm side-eyeing your Decoy right now, just know that.

[onyx sage]

that armor is necessary though, or your agent just spontaneously dies

[hexed steppe]

i was blessed with overflowing resources for a while

i knew i was messing up somewhere

[hazy steeple]

I keep an overflow c7 in my stash still, just for the nostalgia.

that about the same?

[hexed steppe]

ran perfect glass pesti through dua leg a few times this week. glass isnt even scary

[onyx sage]

i wish that's true for me

[hexed steppe]

kinda becoming standard on anything damage

[hexed steppe]

hell they dont even know where you are 😂

welp, here comes the thunder. yall have a good night

-# grandpa out🛌

[green scaffold]

Guys, if I want to try retaliation on heroic solo, what’s the best build then? I know in group of 3 it’s striker and refactor, but I can’t seem to manage it solo on heroic with striker😅

[boreal jetty]

I advise you guys to run chatterbox + memento + umbra chest w obliterate and 4 hunter's fury pieces. Its absolutely insane

[boreal jetty]

a build with chatterbox + hunter's/striker

[green scaffold]

Tyvm

[boreal jetty]

Dw, you gonna be melting these named npcs fast itll shock you

[green scaffold]

I’ll try, with what mods on? (Armor,chd,chc etc)

[boreal jetty]

To get high rof, i suggest to burn a group of npcs, shoot 1 bullet, reload and then boom

[boreal jetty]

1 chc then only chd. 4 Red 3 armor 1 skill tier (memento)

Also for the chest piece, run grupo

[green scaffold]

Tyvm

[boreal jetty]

yw homie

[subtle bluff]

I really isn't. It cool.

[subtle bluff]

It's not just build learning the gameplay is the more important

[green scaffold]

I know the game play but am eager to learn of the best builds in the eyes of other people so I might have more chance to run more content solo

[subtle bluff]

There's no best overall. Just meta stuff because of the numbers and math.

Striker is the only build in the game that is viable at all levels of content.

[solar prairie]

Which is the best secondary weapon to use if I needed to burst something down really quickly?

[lament reef]

not meta but i like using a sawed off sometimes

[solar prairie]

I use that or harvest for my sidearm.

[scenic whale]

What’s a good 2 piece to pair with Tipping scales for BK? I’ve just been throwing Turmoil and Overdogs on got ok results (I just do casual play on Heroic). Wondering if there’s anything else significantly better

[coral reef]

No Turmoil (cuts your damage in half) and no Bullet King (way better LMG options). Check the TS build they made on the spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gvv20WAX-qDLNqLj8qQCQjBbQxjz4A0OrzBBYL3hRoc/edit?usp=drivesdk

[zenith plover]

what are the stats on this one please?

[coral reef]

As close to CHC 60% as you can, rest goes to CHD

[pastel tapir]

anyone have a few suggestions on a fun run and gun build that uses lady death?

[fallen comet]

When in doubt, always use striker lol. Though i personally used ongoing directive with tinkerer. Sadist and eyeless, with say cheese active modifier

Its basically infinite ammo, so it bypasses ammo hoarder and pistolero directives

[red island]

doesn't give ammo to your other weapon so killing npc with pistol won't give you primary ammo

[fallen comet]

Using gunner you get some ammo per minute outside of safe houses. As long as you get 1 mag its infinite after that. OD keeps on supplying

Alt weapons don't matter, specially with tinkerer since you only need its talent.
Higher mag sizes work better, i run mine with MK46 LMGs

[coral reef]

BOY DO I HAVE THE BUILD FOR YOU

This puppy right here will melt through solo heroic open world, control points and missions. All of that at Sonic speeds. After you pick a couple of Memento trophies, you will be hitting critis of 1.2M.... on a SMG. Aim for CHC 60% , rest on CHD

[pastel tapir]

I just started experimenting and now Im almost at the same build youve got Lmao.

[coral reef]

Also be sure of equip Say Cheese, its your panic button should you get surrounded. Also perfect for starting encounters.

[pastel tapir]

I ended up using ninja bike messenger backpack so I could benefit from obliterate and solokov, along with gila for the armor

[red island]

ninja is a bad item for pve tbh, there is so much better

[coral reef]

The AR is only used for any pesky enemy hidden far away in an inaccesible area for you

[red island]

most bag talent are the main source of dps

[pastel tapir]

memento atw but this is just for fun

[gentle lichen]

add a blue and put intimidate
that's how i used to run it and it's pretty crazy

[pastel tapir]

just tried this one out my dmg at max stack is 768k per critical hit on body and around 1.2 on headshot

[coral reef]

Not just fun, its the most efective and fast clearing solo build for me right now, the real run and gun gameplay

[coral reef]

No blues please. Intimidate is iffy for me because its an agressive style of play, so I dont have bonus armor all the time. Most times im not even using the shield!

[pastel tapir]

obliterate is always better than intimidate, armor strips fast when running and gunning thru a heroic cp for me lol

[gentle lichen]

intimidate plays right into the style of hf and a blue is to increase bonus armor % from memento as a buffer

[gentle lichen]

the amplifier from intimidate blows out the damage of obliterate and a red out of the water

not to mention that it ramps up to full in 2-3 secs even after losing it

[pastel tapir]

obv the dmg is better, but if I can even keep the armor

[coral reef]

I will try it🫡

[obtuse crystal]

could also try a high end backpack with ad rush/bloodsucker for the bonus armor instead

[hexed steppe]

with bluescreen (3rd attribute chc), also with elmo. i just did a direct weapon swap between the 2 setups, but you would see bluescreen be slightly more efficient swapping out 1 chd mod/roll to hit 60%chc

[hexed steppe]

context needed. what build?

[bright raptor]

Intimidate was artificially much stronger last season due to the modifier that gave you some permanent bonus armor

now it's back to being situationally strong if you can keep getting new Memento stacks or Adrenaline Rush stacks

[green scaffold]

Is this with hunters fury?

[onyx sage]

yeah those are hunter's fury pieces

[green scaffold]

Ty

[lament reef]

Are skill builds supposed to feel like dogshit? I feel like it takes so much longer for my turrets and gun to kill enemies that would have just evaporated in even a mediocre red build.

[solar sable]

Skills are just support items, they're not meant to compete or be compared with weapon dmg builds/red builds

[tardy falcon]

My babies 🥵🤧

[red island]

it depends on your build, if you build for skills they can deal massive damage, but your guns wont, and vice versa

[lament reef]

Yes, i understand how cores and minor attributes work. I’m saying that even so, gun build (any) feels far better than skill build (any). Like with equal amounts of farming and effort, red just works better.

[red island]

thats just cause striker exist, and there is no equivalent for skill builds, but some skill builds really do feel powerful, the mortar supremacy one is not to be dismissed for example

refactor does good damage while providing your team healing, hard wired has constant dps without making you vulnerable, which cant be said on any gun build cause they require you to be vulnerable when u shoot

[strong cave]

Bloodsucker: 😞

[scenic whale]

is BK that doomed on damage? i just like the comfiness of the no reload but yeah ill def kit out the armor pieces

[subtle bluff]

when other weapons have more Weapon Damage Base and RPM they will do more Burst DPS.
BK is just really good on sustain. On TS it's good but it isn't BiS anywhere.

[scenic whale]

yeah figures, most content i tried it against Pesti, pesti always did better. But BK does well enough into retal and heroic CPs since im just a csual so it'll do

[silent storm]

What is a good build for using this LMG?

[subtle bluff]

that's a very broad question..

[silent storm]

As a DPS

[subtle bluff]

Are you saying E60?

[silent storm]

The LMG I have highlighted

[subtle bluff]

That's a bad talent. So not much.

[silent storm]

Optimist is bad now?

[subtle bluff]

never was good.

It's only kind of good if you empty the full mag/pouch which players rarely do and if you do Frenzy would be better is most cases.

[silent storm]

What about this one for LMG build then?

[subtle bluff]

Take off DTA and it would good.

[silent storm]

DtA is bad now too?

[subtle bluff]

Never good...

People just think so.

[solar sable]

Not everything has armor

[silent storm]

So what more CHC or CHD?

[subtle bluff]

CHC

[silent storm]

Ok so what build should I have for a strong LMG?

[subtle bluff]

Striker, OD, TS and Nego

[silent storm]

What is OD?

[obtuse crystal]

ongoing directive

this is what it does

[silent storm]

Yeah I am looking at the backpack now

[subtle bluff]

Go to the Pinned Messages > GDoc > Bulid Hub

[obtuse crystal]

if you run it do it with chest so its 50% for you instead of 20% and without od bag

[silent storm]

What about Virtuoso?

[hexed steppe]

goat build acquired

[obtuse crystal]

probably not tbh its not that good to my knowledge and its off range which you cant always control

[silent storm]

So striker would probably be the easiest and best case for DPS

[obtuse crystal]

most likely yes

[solar sable]

this looks like some KVD shit

[silent storm]

Is Tip of the Spear really that good?

[obtuse crystal]

no deck is joking im pretty sure

[lament reef]

It’s very stylish, one of my favorite appearances to mod. But the gearset sucks

[hexed steppe]

no, it was one of the caches that drops a whole build

its a trashfire build

[obtuse crystal]

and always bad atleast from what ive seen

[lament reef]

Free fox’s prayer is nice

[obtuse crystal]

yeah but i meant as in the entire build the exotic/named item can be okay

[lament reef]

yeah that build cache is a crime

[silent storm]

How do you get build caches?

[hexed steppe]

season reward thing i think

or maybe journey actually

i speed open things so im not 100 on the source

[obtuse crystal]

its journey

[hexed steppe]

@subtle bluff , i gotta mildly cuss you out a bit. your influence has relegated elmo to collecting dust... but nego bluescreen is pretty amazing in and out of legs
you should really try the new gloves on it when you get them to drop

👨‍🍳 🤌

[subtle bluff]

Bluescreen nego on things that have a enough HP is too good. But ya once I get the new gloves it's game on. I've been silly and using sawyers knee pads...

[coral reef]

Its called Bluescreen Dilemma 🤓 ☝️ and yeah! With those gloves and the seasonal ROF and weapon damage its pretty amazing in Retaliations

[subtle bluff]

"Blue Dilemma"

ooo The Red Blue Dilemma

[fallen canyon]

Is anyone having any success with tipping the scales?

[hexed steppe]

yes , its a very good set

[subtle bluff]

Same thought process as Striker. Just note how stacks works

[hexed steppe]

ceska glass or sacrifice, contractors gloves, 4pc TippingScales. preference on weapon. i use with blue screen and pesti. highends will be solid as well

[fallen canyon]

Was just looking at the build on the google doc, not seeing the difference between the listed setups, plus it doesn't show the high end talents used. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gvv20WAX-qDLNqLj8qQCQjBbQxjz4A0OrzBBYL3hRoc/edit?usp=drivesdk

Is it actually good with pesti? I feel like it and blue screen don't really synergize with it.

[subtle bluff]

@magic pilot

[magic pilot]

ceska obliterate/ contractors

[subtle bluff]

Why don't use Buildstation? for shoing the build?

[magic pilot]

pgc / contractors
ceska / tinkerer

[merry seal]

heh. I've thought of it, but I tend to face tank alot. I did get the sacrifice chest with 'perfect glass' looked at it, like 'ooh this looks cool' up till I saw I took 60% more damage, then was like 'no.. I want SOME survivability' :d

[bright raptor]

best survivability is your enemies being dead, most of the time

[bright raptor]

if I squint the backpack does look a bunch like those issued to Lycoris agents, and that's about it

[hazy steeple]

It's honestly pretty ugly.

Reminds me of a website in the 90's

[dreamy spruce]

Now we're look shaming...

[hazy steeple]

This is div, fashion is like half of our thing.

[dreamy spruce]

It does have a nostalgic feeling to it though

[hazy steeple]

build station vibes

cmon, admit it

[dreamy spruce]

It does but it gets the job done, just the meat and potatoes.

MSDOS

[hazy steeple]

I appreciate the functionality, just not the aesthetics.

[subtle bluff]

Ya.. I've been trying to think how to make it look better

[hazy steeple]

A big part of the issue for me is that it looks like there's filters over the background, rather than it be different sections.

I'm overdoing the "ugly" part a bit, it's mostly a joke based on how many of those 90's sites I used to have to work on.

[subtle bluff]

this kind of better?

Someone did a one off like this.

[hazy steeple]

I think that looks better, but it is a little hard to see the icons.

I honestly don't think you need the pictures of the guns there either, but that's personal preference.

[subtle bluff]

I don't disagree.

The 2nd pic the font is the same as Div

[hazy steeple]

Grenade being spelt wrong is bothering me more than it should.

[subtle bluff]

Which helps with the look.

I didn't do it.. but then again it would make more since if it was me.

[hazy steeple]

I figured lol.
actually if we're nitpicking, the item type and the brand below is a bit close, it sort of blends together visually.

e.g.

tl;dr not a great use of empty space

[subtle bluff]

agreed. Didn't make that one it was just something different to look at.

both the Buildstation there's a bunch of things I wan to nitpick but I haven't sat down to do it

[solar prairie]

lets say a 5-6red build.

[onyx sage]

still not specific, is it headshot based? crit based?

what sets are used?

[solar prairie]

Crit based.

[onyx sage]

smgs are good

[solar prairie]

Vector 9mm?

[onyx sage]

smg-9 and tac vector 9mm are the best high end ones currently

[solar prairie]

then for talent, measured or optimist?

[onyx sage]

measured

[hexed steppe]

Survivability is more about game knowledge and positioning way more than build.
I've been regularly running glass through most content including legendary..
Give glass a chance, you'll see it really isn't a hindrance.

[onyx sage]

also yeah don't face tank if you don't have to, this game rewards tactics a lot

[cerulean smelt]

i feel local needs to change name to Localdeck Glasscannon lover (> <)

[hexed steppe]

Glass was always on my mortar

[onyx sage]

never thought i'd see a day of local maining pgc on normal builds

[hexed steppe]

It just makes sense if trying to minmax I think.

I rarely ran glass outside of skill builds before oblit got nerfed. After nerf, its hard to justify using oblit

[solar prairie]

I have been using glass cannon a lot with zealot + decoy, but once that global mod is gone. I cant imagine how to effectively play GC using gun builds, in solo runs.

[onyx sage]

positioning.

there are runs on youtube (some from me) soloing legendaries with gc

[solar prairie]

no not just legendary

but open world, retaltion, bounties, all activities.

[onyx sage]

if you can do it in legendary you can do it anywhere

open world is a cakewalk compared to legendary, retaliation included

[solar prairie]

I find it harder to position in open world, well due to it being a lot more open say compared to DUA.

[onyx sage]

dua isn't that hard to be fair. but it's still the same deal. if you know spawns, you can blast them before they get a chance to shoot

[solar prairie]

Yeah, unlike in open world, they are already out in the wild

[onyx sage]

no i mean the spawns when defending the control points still spawn one at a time

don't give the spawns too much credit lol

[solar prairie]

yeah no problem with those spawns

[onyx sage]

the random adds from ambushes are basically cannon fodder, they're mainly reds and purples

only kill squads are a problem but they're not really that aggressive either

but anyway retaliation isn't that hard, i wouldn't even consider it if we're talking about hard content

[solar prairie]

I just said I am having a hard time using GC in open world, retaliation is actually easier than a normal CP tbh

[hexed steppe]

Practice makes perfect

[onyx sage]

and we're trying to help you

if you keep playing it's not going to be a hard time forever

[solar prairie]

But I dont run retaliation that much since the exp gain is currently bugged and you dont get any, so for me IMO, its a waste of time.

[onyx sage]

it's not like i use pgc since i started playing the game either

[solar prairie]

Do you use decoy for open world or is that no longer needed?

[hazy steeple]

Retal' is still worth running to finally get those Recon' caches, without having to play hundreds of hours of Descent.

[onyx sage]

and yeah they acknowledged retaliation should be giving seasonal xp, so they know it's bugged

and yeah i do use decoy, but tbh i don't use skills much, only emp sticky for the occasional stagger