td2-build-advice

[rich lotus]

It takes so much time ingame figuring out your build. Yesterday is was only playing half an hour only optimizing my build

[meager fog]

Only half an hour? That's low lol

[subtle bluff]

Why we have guides in the pinned messages

[raven wasp]

Optimizing is just getting max attributes etc right?

[meager fog]

Yes, requires extensive mat investment.

I wouldnt recommend optimising anything that is further than 3 optimisations from full.

Its quicker to just farm another piece

[rich lotus]

Wait what?

[cerulean smelt]

on pc they're there. on phones i don't have a clue how to access that

[rich lotus]

Thx, found it(on the iPhone app)

For those looking: Press here

[cerulean smelt]

nice, like i said not sure how it works on phones/tablets
but that spreadsheet helps with builds that are good. you can always tweak them as well to yoru playstyle

[sharp jasper]

dont know if i am in right place to ask but need help with some good build coz didnt play for 2 years thanks beter ru or eng spekars ❤️

[cerulean smelt]

in the pins there's a spreadsheet with known good builds is a good start then come back here with ideas to find out if it's been tried or not

[grim plank]

What is the next Lex + turmoil build pve?

[cerulean smelt]

honestly, don't think there's many people a fan of turmoil because it cuts your damage in half
currently i got a striker + tinkerer + turmoil build ready for Retaliations and it worked for one of the runs i did

[meager fog]

Been done to death, T urmoil just isn't great because it splits your DPS and means enemies are alive for longer

[grim plank]

Yeah is don’t like turmoil aswell because of the damage, but people are hyping the knee pads so hard

I like to play with EB and oro but the LMG build I have does more dps🥲

[cerulean smelt]

blame content creators they put videos out "OMG i kill twice as fast with these knees!" lol

nods striker is gr9 with frenzy and optimist and 250 mag XD

[versed summit]

Are you measuring your DPS in the range?

[meager fog]

Youtubers are a parasite to games like this. Infesting unsuspecting players with garbage misinformation or just plain lying to you.

[grim plank]

This is my lmg build it shreds so hard, best build ive used

[cerulean smelt]

and well cut videos where they are god like but who knows how many times they've gone down because of their build

[meager fog]

or crop out the "Hard difficulty" symbol and claim they're smashing Heroic

I even saw one where they claimed to smash Legendary content....against Hyenas in DUA.....

[cerulean smelt]

roflmao, i would've commented oh nice try

[grim plank]

I do when measured active with fast fire rate 1,1mil dps, with the slow fire rate i do 1,5/1,6mil dps

[cerulean smelt]

is tidal basin legendary the hardest to manage or is there another legendary hard mission?

[shy willow]

DPS counter in the range is bugged as hell

[shy willow]

Manning

[meager fog]

Tidal Basin is IMO the most frustrating

Zoo is just terrible on any difficulty

[grim plank]

I’m testing for like 4/5 days now and have the same dps everytime

[shy willow]

Better to plug numbers in and see what you get with damage formulae for accurate results

[versed summit]

Range can be wildly inconsistent.

[grim plank]

Even in open world and other activity’s I bit the same

[shy willow]

In any case ouro and EB have competitive burst DPS in their classes

Most LMGs just have good sustain dps

[cerulean smelt]

here's my set up XD

[meager fog]

Even IF range was accurate. It's just a number that wouldn't reflect DPS in practice because theres nothing to prevent you using it

[grim plank]

Both my favorite weapons

[grim plank]

I will try now, why u don’t use killer on the secondary?

[cerulean smelt]

probably could, but eh, it's been fun for me anyways. retaliation will definitely be fun with chunga armor breaking with this build XD

[magic pilot]

Killer secondary is generally not the main choice

[grim plank]

Yea but the talent will also go on the primary weapon bcs of tinkerer so it doesn’t care right?

[tawdry flare]

What happened to your chameleon that I gave you

[cerulean smelt]

if it was me i'd decline it since i'd only turn it into an exotic component (> <)

[magic pilot]

It's not bad with tinkerer but if you play in a group it has the same issues

[cerulean smelt]

basically if you don't get the on kill talents you lack the extra damage one would expect? probably why i try to stay away from those for the most part, solo wise probably great but i do have times where i'll queue for missions/strongholds to get through them a bit quicker

i always believe someone out there will always have a better build than i can make

[magic pilot]

Gone, reduced to atoms

[violet juniper]

poor chameleon:(

[strong cave]

Chameleon only good in close range. At that rate take a shotgun or SMG

[fervent kelp]

sry wrong chat

[violet juniper]

does an SMG or a shotgun give a buff that takes too long to activate for the fight or change colors? I think not

unfortunately, yeah. It's a weird gun

[strong cave]

real 💀

[grizzled garnet]

imagine a rework for the gun where its made into a metered gun where per hit it lowers your threat level to a point where enemies dont really shoot back or are wildly inaccurate (at max stacks though its changed to timer based so you cant perpetually have it active)

[coral reef]

Chameleon makes Legendary content feel like Heroic. There, I said it

[strong cave]

I love chameleon but I like shooting long distance targets that need proper killing. And if I cant hit any target at any range, well, it doesnt deserve a place on my build 💔

[onyx sage]

i want to make whatever i look at die

but what do I know, I'm just an average player

[coral reef]

boss, what is the secret to the Iron Lung? All of the top players I see use it. Is it the stopping power, the firerate, the utility? I don't get it

[onyx sage]

i think only me and 2 more people use it lol

[coral reef]

exactly, thats what I said lol

[onyx sage]

wouldn't say it's all of them

but i like it because it has decent damage and the utility is very strong

[violet juniper]

Utility

[coral reef]

Theoretically, it could perfectly work with the Lengmo build that is commonly used for Pestilence right?

[violet juniper]

mag size is ass for an LMG but the talent is ridiculously strong because it build stacks on shot instead of huts

[onyx sage]

it would but... striker is always there and the content we do is hard enough that striker is just better for us

[onyx sage]

yep ^^^ this exactly, i like using it cuz it builds based on shots fired

[violet juniper]

There wouldn't really be a point. What that build does, Striker will end up doing more damage

[gentle lichen]

it's very well loved in pvp i'd assume pve too
great cc along with it

[onyx sage]

i'll still say i'm only using it cuz fun is the main factor

[violet juniper]

Its got a dragon on it man, it's cool

[onyx sage]

it's not necessarily the easiest or fastest option

[coral reef]

I hate that 50 round mag so much

but will try it this week!

[onyx sage]

it's 85 rounds

[coral reef]

oh yeah, with the SHD levels right?

[onyx sage]

no, it just has a +35 round mod

[coral reef]

I will take it for a spin, and let Pestilence and Bluescreen rest for a while

[patent fossil]

I throw it on when I run into rogues or hunters for the easy cc

[coral reef]

I can't wait for tipping scales, the new brand gearset. Goodbye "useless" explosive resistance and skill duration from Lengmo

[onyx sage]

i'll probably use it for a while to field test it

[worn imp]

@onyx sage Which SMG would you prefer in leggos? Any of the Vectors or an SMG-9?

[onyx sage]

i use smg-9

[coral reef]

AND the talent works exactly as Iron Lungs, it says it activates just by shooting, not by hitting things!

[hazy steeple]

I'll take "things that no one would say back in 2022".

[onyx sage]

i also use m1928 sometimes 💀

[coral reef]

Tipping Scales will get nerfed I'm afraid, it looks so powerful

[onyx sage]

eh it currently doesn't match striker right now both numbers and playstyle-wise. it won't

[coral reef]

happy to hear that

[subtle bluff]

Depends.

[worn imp]

okay well when doing a high- crit striker build, would it still "depend"?

[subtle bluff]

High crit that's all dps builds.

[worn imp]

@subtle bluff @onyx sage like whats the main strengths and weaknesses of smg9 and vector respectively? why in any example would u use smg9 over vector?

[subtle bluff]

Mag dmg

[charred fractal]

Just use whatever you like/happy with....

[subtle bluff]

I have a run with it vs a hazpro backfire.

Just never got around posting it.

[charred fractal]

Chasing high numbers is all good on paper but 90% of players never reach that goal. Use what you're happy with. Unless your a pro raider or speed runner it makes zero difference in all honesty.

[coral reef]

high numbers are out of style now... everyone is about that defense

[violet juniper]

It's getting a buff and still doesn't do as much as striker

[coral reef]

I'm seeing FULL BLUE, EVERYTHING BLUE builds now more than ever, and they are always in the enemies faces... like, ok, tanking

[violet juniper]

i hate striker. I hate that it's so strong, it seriously needs to be gutted

[coral reef]

waiting for an actual normal player to kill whats in front of them

[violet juniper]

I use the Tommy Gun lmao

[coral reef]

a buff? what kind of buff tell me more... i'm a Tipping Scales fan and havent even tried it yet

[violet juniper]

Mini vector (the stockless one) or SMG-9 are usually the best, SMG-9 is higher damage but also looks like a BB gun

[onyx sage]

i forgive you. but my tommy gun don't

[violet juniper]

base stack gain is now 4%, up from 2, with chest/bag it goes to 6%, and I'm fairly sure the base stack limit is 75

[versed summit]

7 iirc

[violet juniper]

Someone will have to consult the patch notes, my memory is spotty unfortunately

[versed summit]

Backpack – Talent “Snowball”
Increase the Critical Hit Damage received per stack from 4% to 7%

[violet juniper]

I apologise, I've just clocked out from work and I'm a lil frazzled, my mind isn't all there rn lmao

[violet juniper]

how about the chest talent?

[versed summit]

Same

[coral reef]

the chest talent does not look so hot

i mean, maybe for Legendary content yes, but I still think it can be replaced with another talent

[violet juniper]

trust me, it's better than any chest talent bar glass cannon

i exclude headhunter because you won't use it for this type of build

[coral reef]

ok happy to hear that... then I can use both Coyote's and Fox Prayer... build done! lmao

[violet juniper]

Honestly I'm gonna use Tinkerer

I want that 30% LMG damage + my Uber buffed GR9

[charred fractal]

Will be the bane of groups but hey it's different.

[coral reef]

what do you mean?

[charred fractal]

The new gear set.

[worn imp]

smg9 has higher mag dmg than vector right?

[violet juniper]

no more than striker

[charred fractal]

Just have this mental image of people constantly suppressing adds so no one can kill a thing.

[coral reef]

ok you have a point, but I already do that with my other LMG builds lol

[violet juniper]

I wonder how many idiots we'll see with Pesti/Turmoil and Tipping Scales

[coral reef]

*one of which is Nego Dilemma, so everything in cover is dead quite fast and the others with Bluescreen, so they get cc'd fast too and out of cover

[coral reef]

the problem here being turmoil right?

[violet juniper]

yes

[charred fractal]

Problem being people don't understand turmoils but I'm not wasting my time again.

[violet juniper]

I will typically kick anyone using turmoil from my party unless they're on a one shot build

[violet juniper]

Yup. People just don't understand how it works

[charred fractal]

And pretty much every speed runner on Xbox uses them.

[violet juniper]

Speedrunners also use Acosta Kneepads and Lady Death

I really don't care what speedrun meta is lmao

[subtle bluff]

I'm a fast guy and I don't use them.

[charred fractal]

About 2 years ago yes, but not anymore.

[violet juniper]

If people want to use turmoil, it's a free world. I'm also free to remove them for dragging the party down

[charred fractal]

Ok cool for you bud.

[violet juniper]

[charred fractal]

goes back to my top 10 leaderboard times

[violet juniper]

wow, I did a mission real fast

give me attention guys

[charred fractal]

Fast = efficiency

[violet juniper]

On hard difficulty

efficiency is an afterthought in a video game, unfortunately

[charred fractal]

Legendary group times have a look for LTE

[violet juniper]

In games like Diablo, makes sense

In Division? its irrelevant

[charred fractal]

Ok cool for you bud.

[coral reef]

you guys are brothers, i'm putting you in the get along shirt

[magic pilot]

Turmoil is bugged rn

Double dips again

[subtle bluff]

Only with some things.

[magic pilot]

For controller% yes, not for glitchless

Flexing controller% speedruns is hilarious considering broken has all the legendary mission WR for that category

Pc player dominating controller%💀

[coral reef]

what is controller%?

[subtle bluff]

Um using bugged stuff.

Things that aren't normal

Idk I forgot why we called it that.

[coral reef]

only bug I found in Div 2 is when i'm releasing a hostage locked in like a container... and the container locks with me inside

[subtle bluff]

I forgot about that one.

[urban latch]

Who is using Acosta knees lol

[subtle bluff]

😳

@worn imp Go to the Pinned Messages here.

Build Hub.

[meager fog]

Controller% simply means a speed run that uses a standard controller (no KBM and no modified controls)

[patent fossil]

Ah, I've been running it with pgc recently and thought it appeared to be double dipping, was sure they said they patched that out

[magic pilot]

It's called that because a controller player started the category because he couldn't compete in glitchless

[subtle bluff]

They did then it unfixxed itself.

[magic pilot]

No not really, doesn't have anything to do with a controller actually

It's basically a no restrictions category

[subtle bluff]

Oh right from that one guy!

[magic pilot]

Yea yea

[worn imp]

Is the M870 the best shotgun for HHF mainly because of the shot spread? Or just just because of the tad bit more damage compared to other shotties like the KSG for example.

[magic pilot]

Accuracy/dmg

[subtle bluff]

Spamming both server...

[worn imp]

what? no, man. there are different groups of people of both servers, I like to ask both to see the different opinions. im serious

[subtle bluff]

We're the same people

[worn imp]

why is there 2 tho?

[subtle bluff]

There's like 8

[worn imp]

okay cause from my understanding these were 2 major competing division 2 servers in terms of popularity for english speaking peeps.

[subtle bluff]

But like I've said the build hub is a better starting point.

[hazy steeple]

This is the official one, the other one is community based.

then there's GCrock.

[worn imp]

yeah i know but I think its far more productive do discuss some of these choices as opposed to me just reading a guide and going "by the numbers" so to speak

when i say "productive" i mean in the sense of me actually understanding the choices fully, which is what i wanna do.

[subtle bluff]

It's a guide for a reason so I don't need to repeat myself...

And others

[hazy steeple]

You're more than welcome to ask questions in here, it is called "build advice" after all, but it is recommended to take a look at the guides themselves first.
div2 is a very math heavy game, one error can snowball.

[worn imp]

I checked thru the build hub and word searched the headhunter synergy guide doc, but couldnt find anything on headhunter's fury builds in either documents

[hazy steeple]

It's just under "hunters fury" and then you scroll down within the guide itself.

it's the one with 2 shotguns.

[worn imp]

sry in which document? the builds hub or headhunter synergy guide?

[hazy steeple]

the "spreadsheet 2" that's 📌 pinned in this channel.

think of it as the wikipedia for div2.

all guides are current, feel free to ask about anything you see in there. Every build is rated for at least Heroic.

[worn imp]

Here's actually a question who's answer isnt in the hunter's fury page of spreadsheet 2. I looked thru and found nothing concerning this: If my shottie already rolls with headshot damage on it (that way ill be over 150% without any gun mods), can it be valuable to run the +30% accuracy holo sight instead of the one that gives 10% headshot damage?

[hazy steeple]

generally speaking, you want dtooc (damage to target out of cover) as your 3rd attribute on every gun, as there's very few actual sources for that.
the only guns where you don't pick it are LMG's, as they already have it by default.

[worn imp]

What you want is consistently as small a spread as possible right?

[worn imp]

no im talking about the sight

cause im just aiming for the head anyway, running DTTooC or headshot damage wouldnt matter. However, headshot dmg gives me the oppertunity to run +30% accuracy sight instead

[hazy steeple]

HSD is not as useful to run on there, as you can just put it on a piece or something, and your SHD watch will eventually give you a free +20% anyway (amongst others).
I'm not sure what the default HSD amount is, but the default amount of dtooc that you get is 0%.

[magic pilot]

You would want dtooc

[worn imp]

already maxed my watch

[hazy steeple]

oh, 10% HSD by default. wow that sucks.

[magic pilot]

Even if you have over 150% headshot no dtooc is gonna hurt

[magic pilot]

Each weapon category has its own base headshot as well

[worn imp]

10% headshot dmg is the same as 10% dtooc tho no? Or is it some mathy shit that actually makes dtooc better in this case?

[hazy steeple]

Nope. To first part.

[magic pilot]

Well 150% headshot plus 10% isn't the same as 0 dtooc + 10% dtooc

You are introducing another dmg source when you have dtooc

[hazy steeple]

When I said div2 was math heavy, this is the kinda BS I meant.

[magic pilot]

Otherwise you are just diluting an already over saturated dmg source

[worn imp]

supposing im just hitting the head tho, how isnt it the same outcome?

[hazy steeple]

don't worry, most people don't understand this stuff.
just copy what's written down into your build and you'll be fine.

[magic pilot]

Because the dtooc is still applying if you hit the head.

[strong cave]

It's not. 10% overall damage to a target out of cover is not the same as 10% more damage to a head

Had to make this clear I was about to pull my hair out

[grizzled garnet]

isnt the reasoning for going dttooc over hsd, chd, etc etd because of the formula. its better to have
2.5 hsd x 1.1 dttooc vs 2.6 hsd x 1.0 dttooc

[worn imp]

Isnt it still better to get the extra 30% accuracy for tightened shot spread??

[magic pilot]

base DMG * wd * twd * amp1 * amp 2 * (Chd+hsd)*ampx ...

Dtooc would fall under its own amp here

[worn imp]

especially since im going for headshots, more pellets will hit if the spread is tighter

[magic pilot]

If you can slow down a little so I can explain that would help me hit each of your points

[hazy steeple]

I may be wilding here, but weren't gun mods buffed not too far back?

I checked a determined setup recently and the stability was like 150.

[strong cave]

They were during the Y6S2 patch

[magic pilot]

Headshot and dtooc are effective the same in the dmg formula, except for the fact that dtooc is super super hard to stack on a build

[strong cave]

They also nerfed Ceska, Prov, Grupo, etc, bc of the buffed mods

[magic pilot]

So adding what little dtooc we can makes a huge difference

Headshot you can stack on basically everything in the game. Brands, attributes, mods etc

Dtooc you can only get from 4 sources

Demo spec, gun roll, Fox, and Smart Cover

[strong cave]

Fox's, smart cover, Demo, Attribute for gun

[worn imp]

Even despite the fact I might miss some pellets if going for headshots? Correct me if im wrong, but more pellets will hit if the spread is tighter with that extra 30% accuracy sight

[magic pilot]

On paper yes it will but in practice 30% accuracy won't really change that

[hazy steeple]

What does the sight have to do with your 3rd attribute?

Apologies if I missed something, I'm incredibly tired.

[magic pilot]

If he goes dtooc he won't hit 150% headshot for headhunter

[worn imp]

exactly, sry shouldve mentioned that earlier

[strong cave]

Which is required for HH

[magic pilot]

Unless he gives up a 30% accuracy mod

[hazy steeple]

Add more HSD then, it seems like a simple solution.

[magic pilot]

He wants the accuracy bonus basically

[hazy steeple]

You may have to stand a little closer.

[worn imp]

I dont know maybe it would make the shotgun less inconsistent, havent tried it enough.

[meager fog]

Made me dribble my drink down my chin 🤣

[magic pilot]

Your overall dmg per shot will be significantly lower without dtooc

[magic pilot]

Honeslty good advice though

[meager fog]

At the moment seems like you're just arguing against the advice you're being given 🙄

Which has also been happening alot recently 🤔

[hazy steeple]

See, even if you hate a particular build, you can still know how it works.
me to headhunters fury builds: ☠️

[worn imp]

Not in the slightest. Im trying to understand why DtooC is so superior. An explanation has been given and i understand it now

[magic pilot]

Basically you'd run dtooc for the same reason m870 is recommended. It has the highest dmg output, get as much dmg as possible then go for handling stuff. The attachments are mostly preference so you can get some accuracy there

I'm ignoring the spas here

I tried the spas in place of m870 even with perfect brazen it just doesn't do enough for me to run it

[worn imp]

What you may interpret as me just being dumb stubborn, is the devil's advocate argument. Im looking to eliminate all sources of doubt as to whether or not something is best, because i am a smelly icky minmaxer. 🙂

[meager fog]

So are the people who wrote the guides already 😉

Trying to understand it is good though

[hazy steeple]

The great thing about div2 is that math is very direct, there's not a lot of room for argument with simple numbers.

[magic pilot]

I get his thought process, I did the same thing when I was first getting into it

[meager fog]

The wonderful thing about being late to the math party is that the lovely nerds have done the math for us already 😀

[young blade]

Is this a place to ask for incursion help?

[magic pilot]

Build or for running it?

[young blade]

Just to have help with it

[hazy steeple]

@young blade You have been directed where to LFG for it already.
I literally gave you a clickable link.

you already posted in there.

What is going on today.

I feel like I'm being punked.

[magic pilot]

#lfg-td2incursion-console

[worn imp]

I have admiration for people like you who can have such a patience-demanding role on an online forum.

[magic pilot]

Just incase he missed it

[worn imp]

wtf Im not looking for that link or anything but me it says "no access" on that one fsr...

[meager fog]

Because its xbox

[worn imp]

ah

[hazy steeple]

You need the right role.
you are set to PC.
id:customize if you want to see the other rooms, for whatever reason.

make sure you have the PTS one for next time it's active.

[meager fog]

Unless you're steam and they forget us again 😢

[hazy steeple]

IIRC the plan was to include it, but it wasn't ready.

[magic pilot]

I still have the console tab just in case I need to redirect someone

[young blade]

There isn't alot of peeps in that other chat so I thought to ask here sorry for the in convince

[hazy steeple]

You thought to LFG for a raid in a channel called "build advice"?

you know what, I buy it today.

[magic pilot]

erm actually its an incursion not a raid

im sorry

[charred fractal]

It's an off site activity 😂

[strong cave]

We call that "touching grass"

[charred fractal]

Is that the new location available at the pilot?

[solar sable]

As we are xbox users I suggest using either the incorporated LFG system or asking in GCrock. Both are fast options rather than this server. Not to insult or be offensive with this server but it's dead in terms of LFGs

[coral reef]

It's fair, this server does not even have an LFG channel, I think, or I have never seen it. Also the GCrock people are cool, they helped me with the Ouroboros a while ago✌️☮️

[hazy steeple]

@coral reef You need to have the xbox role to see it, but Incursions/Raids have their own shared console channel anyway.

[coral reef]

got it!

[hazy steeple]

Now you do.

behold, the glory of green!

[strong cave]

whats Kawaii's element?

greeeeen

[violet juniper]

Power!

[bright raptor]

Pakhan: is it viable to just spray and pray with a standard DPS type build, or is it worth breaking out the Perfect Braced piece for the job?

[magic pilot]

Yes

[onyx sage]

you done tidal yet?

[subtle bluff]

I want to bring my new build..... 🙃 🫠

[coral reef]

The weekly no 🫡

[onyx sage]

2 hours?

[subtle bluff]

Can I try to support on a trackball mouse? xD

[onyx sage]

sir

[subtle bluff]

Better than me trying to aim and track with one... 🥲

[plain girder]

Thoughts on a 3 piece shiny monkey, 1 improvised gear, chill out mask and tardigrade all blues repair skills skill haste conflict build? Is basiclly a tardi healer build

[subtle bluff]

UH.

[subtle bluff]

Tardigrade Armor System (Exotic)
Talent: Ablative Nano-Plating
Whenever your or any ally's armor breaks, they gain 80% of your armor as** bonus armor** for 10s.

Cooldown per ally: 45s.
Killing an enemy with your specialization weapon removes this cooldown for all allies.

[plain girder]

What about it u just described the chestpiece talent ik it does that

Conflict/pvp is like 40% tho

[subtle bluff]

um... Are you reading everything?

[plain girder]

Yea killing enemy with special ammo removes cooldown

I didnt know about that but then again u dont have infinite special ammo in either dz or conflict so thats not viable

[subtle bluff]

.....

[plain girder]

Lol im confused bro am i missing something?

[subtle bluff]

You ask about this build.

[plain girder]

Correct

[subtle bluff]

I replied to you about Tardigrade....

Then you asked about Tardigrade.....

[plain girder]

Ty man yea i guess u thought i dint know what it does is all good tho

[subtle bluff]

Sooo how are you healing/repairing with blue cores?

[plain girder]

I have everything repair skills, tier 1 , kd kard bumps me to 2, it's not crazy amount obviously but it's enough to maybe survive the encounter more team survivavility ontop of tardi

+i spray teammates with cooler specially my dps player to give him 50% haz pro

[onyx sage]

what chow is getting to is that you don't have many healing charges compared to a build with more skill tier. and if you go skill tier you're not going to have armor for tardi to be useful.

tdi kard custom forces you to drop chem at their feet rather than switch to the chem launcher, as doing that means you swapped off tdi and making you lose that skill tier

[subtle bluff]

I'm kind of trolling to see if you would pick up on why this idea isn't great.

[onyx sage]

so all in all, we don't recommend going here. heck even ninjabike is better at pvp healing than tardi

[subtle bluff]

Just hinting around.

[plain girder]

Well also imo that 40% bonus armor from a 2mil armor build helps compensate for the lack of heals i was just trying do like 3 diff support builds in 1🤣

[onyx sage]

nah bro just use ninjabike with FI

[plain girder]

Haz pro with cooler, heals, tardi

Well fi dont work in conflict thats the problem

[subtle bluff]

uh?

[onyx sage]

why?

[plain girder]

You never get the damage boost from fi in conflict, once u take damage once u sit around like 99% armor not 100% so the damage buff is disables

[onyx sage]

you're probably tunnel visioning onto the fact that the FI damage bonus isn't going to be active, but you're overlooking the spread healing

the spread healing is the second part of FI, that's what makes FI heal so much more than another healer build

[subtle bluff]

I mean also if you have a team around knowing it playing with bonus it still active.

[plain girder]

True, but another thing, when it comes to conflict.If there's a healer most players will go all reds if they're smart, thats were tardi comes in handy

[onyx sage]

well with your build you're only proccing tardi once

and you're not healing much with chem

[plain girder]

Y once?

[onyx sage]

is 45s short to you?

[subtle bluff]

You wouldn't go all red with just knowing you have a healer.

maybe one guy could to get pocketed.

[plain girder]

Well again is prob not going 2 fully heal a player but if hes heales enough he might win that 1v1 encounters or when we push if that makes sense

[onyx sage]

we're saying it's just better if you focus on healing

if you choose to ignore us, just feel free to experiment

if they go full red in conflict, they know they will die faster. they won't blame the healer

[plain girder]

Naw not ignoring just tryng understand ur pov i alredy have actual healer builds

[onyx sage]

if they blame the healer, something is wrong up there

[cerulean smelt]

Btw: the cool down part is your 4th weapon the min gun, tac 50 ans so on. Getting that ammo then getting a kill with that weapon

[plain girder]

Yes, removinf the cooldown of tardi with said type weapon kill is nearly impossible since u get very limited special ammo, then you also have to time that tardy is alredy on cooldown if is not yet then u get kills and nothing happens

[onyx sage]

plus you're healing so you barely have damage

compared to dps players in there

[plain girder]

Thats were the pesti comes in handy

Pesti is the only reason this works

[onyx sage]

yeah but you have to kill with spec weapon

[cerulean smelt]

But you have no weapon damage so it's not doing a lot of famage

[buoyant perch]

phrasing

[onyx sage]

go to sleep bozo

[plain girder]

True but u can tick for 100k or so wich might be enough and u just strafe around till ur dps or allies arrive and whatnot

[onyx sage]

it just seems like you're doing too much

[plain girder]

True

I dont think ihve seen thAt type of build before thats y i came up with it

Tardi healer pesti tank hmmm🤣

[subtle bluff]

There's already a meta build for that

[shy willow]

Tardi healer pesti tank is an oxymoron or 3

[subtle bluff]

Not a "tank" nothing is really truly a tank in this game.

[plain girder]

Hmmm have u played bonk? Ik umbra shreds but bonk is the definition of tank on this game imo, 4v4s will consist of mostly 2 umbras 2 bonks or 3 umbras 1 bonk

[subtle bluff]

Nope never built bonk.

[plain girder]

Idk u guys in pc might have less bonks than console since the ttk is higher since higher accuracy

[subtle bluff]

Every time they charge me get a EMP Stickyed.

[plain girder]

Yup thats way 2 go if theyr smart all their mods are disrupt res

[magic pilot]

Yea bonk is still around on pc but definitely not like console

Especially because of the scripters on console

[worn imp]

What resuls in higher damage on a headshot? +20% headshot damage or 10% DTooC

[subtle bluff]

First off. Do you have DTTooC already?

2nd off it depends on the build.

[worn imp]

please my homeboy just answer my question pwetty pwease

[worn imp]

doing a 1886 boomerang build

with Tinkerer

[subtle bluff]

I can't answer correctly without knowing.

Follow this.

[worn imp]

This setup is probably extremely R-word

[subtle bluff]

most likely DTTooC but without knowing can't say it's right

[worn imp]

Dude when u think about it I can probably get away with switching 2 crit chance attributes to headshot damage if I have crit chance as third attribute on 1886

amirite or amirite?

[subtle bluff]

eh?

idk what to dowith you anymore.

[worn imp]

wot?

[subtle bluff]

DPS Rifle build w/o 1886

[violet shadow]

I'm still finishing it up but any recommendations?

Like for improvements

[subtle bluff]

Don't use the BP or Chest.

[subtle bluff]

In the Pinned Messages there's a good guide to one I have one that's a bit more hybrid but output decent amount more.

[coral reef]

Still not sure what happened here

[solar sable]

i need a xbox dien in my life

[coral reef]

He just steal all your kills

[solar sable]

anything for the carry

i don't mind if he humiliates me or whatever just for the carry /j

[onyx sage]

sir i would never do that

[solar sable]

the average player would

[onyx sage]

sir...

[errant hornet]

Any oxpecker build that is viable? all the ones I’m seeing online are tied to the old modifiers

[subtle bluff]

Viable probably. Good no.

[errant hornet]

That’s fine, doesn’t have to be the best just looking for something new

Rn I’m using hunters fury with 3 red and 3 blue but I’m sure it could be better and coyote

[subtle bluff]

Striker with Memento

or HB

[plush sundial]

This exotic just dropped for me on viewpoint. Any good

[dreamy valve]

Its a support exotic, I used to use a niche Tips of the SPear build with it

[glad heart]

I run it on a foundry bulwark hazpro/regen tank build for the Iron Horse Raid, about the only place a tank really has a use. I think the build has been updated, not sure. But it is still pretty good.

[plush sundial]

Thanks

[subtle bluff]

Pretty sure it's Vangaurd for IH tank

Giving the bonus on a demand.

[shy willow]

Yeah realistically only used on Morozova seeing as you'll already have vanguard

I run it on stagger tank

[rocky cape]

somebody can share a build with LMG?

[glad heart]

I only ran it for Morozova. I ran high end dps for the rest of it.

[subtle bluff]

Standard striker.

[strong cave]

I use it in pvp occasionally on max armor builds. Even on a striker setup with 4 blues and 2 reds, works for legendary as an "anchor" for the team. Heroic as well when things get hectic. All in all, it's not a bad piece, but it is a bit niche for its uses

Works good for foundry builds too and as mentioned, as Stagger in iron horse raid

[rocky cape]

but one op with pestilence?

[meager fog]

Pestilence in itself is not OP, and no build makes it OP

[coral reef]

I use the Lengmo/Pestilence build from the spreadsheet, its my daily driver for heroic content solo or in group its really fun! And also powerful. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WChAQCX06I4wgHd3iU0BuearJps2Lnr5wvLVehb8utY/edit?usp=drivesdk

More in depth

[worn imp]

Anyone got a link to a 1886 boomerang build?

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1VZoGXEa650cTMqbzYwIMBlKqLpcZxL7iAiDpPjt1QQw/edit?usp=drivesdk

1886 doesn't take llp, so I would swap chest for glass and obviously run boomerang

[worn imp]

isnt tinkerer really fookin nice to get the rifleman talent as well as boomerang?

[magic pilot]

Outside OD not really, but you could swap it in if you wanted

OD is also probably the next best thing, boomerang and sadist with tinkerer

[worn imp]

Whats OD?

[magic pilot]

Ongoing directive

[worn imp]

ah.

but like... thats +50% more garantueed damage, not just on crits

im having a hard time to see how that cant be blatantly the best choice of exotic gear piece for any rifle build running boomerang

[magic pilot]

It's not exactly 50% more dmg

[hazy steeple]

It's not ND, so it probably won't be.

[magic pilot]

It's just regular weapon dmg, which adds to your red cores

[hazy steeple]

but you don't have to use the meta-hugging setup every time, most endgame builds work just as well in Heroic content.

as long as the build is properly made.

[magic pilot]

OD, Nego, and high end are all solid for rifle

[worn imp]

😭 so many terms to remember, such little brain /s

what is nd?

[hazy steeple]

Negotiator's Dilemma, it's a gearset.

[worn imp]

ah yea ofc nego dilem

[magic pilot]

There's a ton of terms

You'll either remember them or they get pounded into your brain and you remember them

[hazy steeple]

we dont shorten that word like that much, for obvious reasons.

same as the Rigger gearset.

[worn imp]

lmfao i didnt even think of it

[hazy steeple]

fun fact: it is (was?) impossible to name a loadout ingame after the latter.

[worn imp]

hey its just your intrusive thoughts i guess. not guilty

[magic pilot]

Still is I think

[hazy steeple]

I see what the auto-mod dislikes, and that's similar to what the game does.

[magic pilot]

The automod doesn't like the building that summit is in

[hazy steeple]

that's because of the "kys" letters, fun fact.

people use it a lot, and not just for self-grenade terms.
the amount of stuff y'all don't see.

[worn imp]

can you elaborate? how does rifleman not just give a plain +50% dmg bonus?

[hazy steeple]

Is Rifleman the good kinda damage increase or the deceptively bad kind?

Regardless, the duration being 5 seconds (with another one being another 5 second refresh), seems a tad rough.

Max stack is 5. Additional headshots refresh the duration.```

[worn imp]

bro we should have an AI fed on the entirety of Spreadsheet 2 so we can use it to ask for builds stuff. Would put you guys out of a job but i think the benefits would be greatly advantageous

[hazy steeple]

Trust me on this: people can't even manage following the GPS, I think our job as janitors for this place is safe.

[magic pilot]

Uhhh it's from a different combination of letters

[hazy steeple]

I can tell you for a fact that the auto mod dislikes those letters.

[worn imp]

can you dm me the whole name lmao i wanna know

[hazy steeple]

It's just "skyscraper".

[worn imp]

oh hahahaha

🤦

[hazy steeple]

yeah its silly, but people try to get around the filter in all kinds of ways, so i dont blame the admins.

[magic pilot]

Weapon dmg

[magic pilot]

Yea it's the last 5 letters lol

[hazy steeple]

It's the other letters too, Mortar. I can literally see the filter.

[patent fossil]

Weapon damage is additive with other sources of weapon damage such as red cores on your gear etc.
Generally, a red build has rather more than 100% weapon damage, meaning additional damage like that from rifleman is worth less than half of the stated value in actual increased damage

[hazy steeple]

what kettle said ^

[worn imp]

Could you reach a higher damage per shot with another Rifle than 1886 if you have rifleman talent?

[worn imp]

ewww gross.... bro why do they spread misinformation in their talent descriptions its icky

[hazy steeple]

If you think that's bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.

[worn imp]

💀

[patent fossil]

It's not misinformation, it's just how the damage calculations work.

[worn imp]

then they should clearly disclose how that works to the reader every time it's relevant

[patent fossil]

If it said 'amplifies your damage by 50%' but was an additive type, then it would be misinformation.

[worn imp]

i dont care if it would mean rewriting most of the talent description. They need to clearly explain how this stuff works

[hazy steeple]

Don't worry too much, you learn the tricks to understanding this stuff before too long.

just chill.

or ignore all that and just go by what the math nerds say, since they've done the work for you.

[magic pilot]

Shhhh

[magic pilot]

Sadist

[hazy steeple]

oy, be nice.

[worn imp]

headhunter 1886/diamondback is still the best rifle build in terms of efficiency right?

[hazy steeple]

Not for tinkerer.

[worn imp]

well i give up on tinkerer lol

at least for 1886/diamondback

[hazy steeple]

tinkerer doesnt work with named or exotics, so you'll just pick a different latter one.

[worn imp]

i know just forgot to mention it

[hazy steeple]

the spreadsheet guide doesn't appear to list suggested talents for specifically rifles, but I'm sure the regular stuff would work fine.

[magic pilot]

Wat

[hazy steeple]

ah cmon, that was funny.

[magic pilot]

Oh I see 😭

[magic pilot]

1886 years

[worn imp]

but like... what are generally the funniest 1886/virginian or diamondback builds? what are some of the best ones?

[magic pilot]

You just asked for like 4 different builds lol

[hazy steeple]

first step is you need to go back to when the Virginian had its original , much better name.

[worn imp]

eh yeah gimme a few examples and ill choose to pursue what looks the most appealing. just send links

[magic pilot]

OD, Nego, HE

[worn imp]

oh sry forgot to specify that i wanna do headhunter stuff

[hazy steeple]

michael jackson lyrics or div2 build names, you decide.

[worn imp]

so that rules out OD, no?

[magic pilot]

Yea

[worn imp]

what is HE? bruh

[magic pilot]

And Nego, but it adds Hunter fury

[hazy steeple]

he = high end.

gold.

[magic pilot]

HF or HE basically

Or aces if you are weird

[hazy steeple]

hf = hunters fury, or theyre telling you to have fun.

[magic pilot]

Rivens is just here to translate now😭

[hazy steeple]

aces = aces and eights, a gearset that until recently, didnt work on rifles at all.

hey thats why they pay me the big bucks. 💸

[worn imp]

I guessed that one yeah

[magic pilot]

"You guys are getting paid??"

[hazy steeple]

oh yeah, don't you know. everyone I cleanban I get another $50.

[worn imp]

wtf you cant do headhunter and have both 3 piece bonus of HF and 4 piece bonus of nego

[magic pilot]

Reread what I said

[hazy steeple]

It is worded a little confusingly.

[magic pilot]

"Rules out OD"
"Yea and Nego, but it adds hunters fury"

Comma is there for a reason

[worn imp]

english is not my native language man even tho im fluent

[magic pilot]

My bad

[worn imp]

oh i see its an option of another build

[magic pilot]

Yep yep, this 10s timer is ridiculous

[worn imp]

HF build option

it is

[magic pilot]

HF is probably my go to

[hazy steeple]

I fixed the timer for you.

[worn imp]

im guessing that if you go headhunter 1886 nego build then Diamondback is the best choice?

[patent fossil]

You wouldn't hh nego

[worn imp]

no? then what works best for headhunter? virginian or diamondback?

[patent fossil]

Since you have to crit an enemy before they get a nego mark, and hh just one shots them

[worn imp]

maybe just high end gear build i guess?

[magic pilot]

Slap a 1886 in place of the spas, boom

[magic pilot]

I hate you 😐

[patent fossil]

HH is a headshot build, so you wouldn't build for crit at all - virginian and diamondback are both crit weapons.
Regular 1886 with determined or rifleman is the way to go

[magic pilot]

If you want to main the 1886 I'd swap the backpack for overlord or providence

[worn imp]

hmmm part of me really does wanna try out the crit stuff and forgo headhunter for a bit. What would you run if you wanted to use Virginian? (disregarding OD, cause i dont feel like playing OD)

[patent fossil]

Aces or high end probably

[worn imp]

whats the high end setup?

[magic pilot]

^

[worn imp]

im just gonna take a build to follow and leave so i wont bother you folks anymore with endless questions

[magic pilot]

My work is paying me for this conversation so I'm fine with it lol

[patent fossil]

Yeah just run the one in that link

[worn imp]

what is llp?

[magic pilot]

Linked laser pointer

[worn imp]

oh i see for pulse dmg bonus yeah

[magic pilot]

Yea, I'd swap chest for glass probably

[worn imp]

??? 10% extra damage is not worth taking 50% more damage bro

oh nvm i see, sry

couldnt obliderate be kinda good tho? just keep shooting a few shots within 10 secs and u maxed it

[meager fog]

I still think Lmao triggering the in game filter is stupid lol

[magic pilot]

It's an amp

The extra incoming dmg is also not noticeable on a full red build

[magic pilot]

1886 firerate is too low, with only max 60% crit chance

[worn imp]

Okay so final boss question for you weary souls: Just cause im thick in the head sometimes I just wanna triple check why I shouldnt just run headshot damage instead of crit damage? do i get more damage per critted shot if my attributes are crit damage instead of headshot damage. My understanding is the only Crit Attribute that really matters is chance, so i can proc boomerang.

[magic pilot]

It's not that you shouldn't run either or, it's personally preference

[meager fog]

Crit damage and HSD are additive. They apply together, so either or.

[magic pilot]

Oh you mean crit chance with headshot?

[worn imp]

yea

why not just headshot damage to garantuee extra damage on non crits?

[magic pilot]

Crit dmg adds with headshot dmg

And not everything has a head or takes headshot dmg

[meager fog]

That's the best spelling of guarantee i've seen for a while 🤣

But that ^

[worn imp]

now that is understandable

[magic pilot]

Helmets don't take headshot dmg multiplier

[worn imp]

french ahh word tbh

[magic pilot]

base DMG * wd * twd * amp1 * amp 2 * (Chd+hsd)*ampx ...

That's how you get your in game dmg

[worn imp]

😳 i did not know

[magic pilot]

WD- weapon dmg
Twd- total weapon dmg (like vigilance or obliterate)
Amp- glass cannon, dtooc, dta, all seperate amps

Dtooc- damage to targets out of cover
DTA- damage to armor

[magic pilot]

Oh yea forgot about that

[magic pilot]

@subtle bluff you should add yellow and blue numbers to the right side

[gentle lichen]

Pretty sure blue damage is shared between actual armor and then plating?

[magic pilot]

I can check actually

[meager fog]

DTH on the right side should be changed, since you use the same abbreviation for both Damage to Health and Damage to Head

[magic pilot]

It is @gentle lichen

[meager fog]

Red = Damage to Head. DTH = Damage to health

[magic pilot]

No one really abbreviates it as damage to head

[gentle lichen]

But they interact differently with multipliers
Isn't plating affected by dth?

[magic pilot]

Oh I see what you mean

[meager fog]

No I know, but on the picture it says DTH instead of HSD

[magic pilot]

Yea should be changed

[magic pilot]

Yea he needs to change it, blue is any damage to armor or plating on a non crit

[worn imp]

With this high end setup, and running linked laser pointer and the pulse damage chest talent, what is the best rifle(s)?

^ my encore question. then im really done

[magic pilot]

Personal preference, all the rifles have quirks it's kind of the only category there's no clear best

[meager fog]

Because in general...most of them suck 🤣

[magic pilot]

Whatever takes the linked laser that you enjoy using

[worn imp]

hmm how about generally highest base DPS, just wanna know which to avoid if there are any

[meager fog]

If i'm being completely honest. Just avoid rifles altogether. But the UIC is a favourite

[worn imp]

?? rifles are goated what is this blasphemy

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12vzrBI53INNVcKx25ILuvwIgJDg2xUvOO_IA0uctlwE

[worn imp]

forgor about this, ty

[meager fog]

They really aren't, they're the most awful weapons in Div 2 to use

[magic pilot]

For burst (fire mode and dps) m16

[meager fog]

Crit damage being the secondary attribute on rifles is just horrible.

Should be Weapon Handling if you're going to make them so horrible to play with

[magic pilot]

Like 70% handling

[worn imp]

u think headhunter shotgun is better? cause im a longtime shooter player and tried playing headhunter shotgun stuff for hours. I still feel like certain rifle builds would be better

[meager fog]

HH shotgun is miles better than a rifle build.

The m870 pretty much plays like a rifle....but more accurate lmao

[worn imp]

I suppose the only case its really good is with diamondback

[meager fog]

Which is just an awful gun platform anyway

[meager fog]

At least

[worn imp]

?? AR's health damage is worse, isnt it?

[meager fog]

Crit on rifles, my opinion, is just downright bad. They're not accurate enough to make Crit useable for sustained fire. Headshots make more sense but still why over an MMR.

[meager fog]

No because health damage applies to everything. Including armour plates

[worn imp]

In your opinion, are semi auto MMRs any good? maybe ill try that

[meager fog]

who doesn't want extra damage to chungas

[meager fog]

Not really, the handling is no better than rifles

It's the handling that kills them as a semi auto option

[worn imp]

😭 I wanna fulfill a DMR power fantasy tho

[meager fog]

Firing more than one shot in a row, you're putting at least half of the magazine into the floor or wall

[worn imp]

Dorky, whats the least bad rifle build in the game that you know of?

diamondback critdamage attribute only memes?

[meager fog]

UIC Mod2 isn't as horrible as the others

Listen, people like using all sorts of things. There's no real correct answer here.

Just know that in general. Rifles are the worst weapons in DIv2, and it's not even close.

Outside of maybe the diceros...because that pistol is just horrible

[worn imp]

Doesnt the bad range of shotguns kinda kill them in many scenarios?

[meager fog]

Not really, you learn the spawns and get there before the enemies have chance to even move. Filling a spawn point with a shotgun volley is wonderful

[worn imp]

someone told me the best m870 is the custom. That true or does it not matter which one u use?

[magic pilot]

For chungas, warhound and mini tank no

[worn imp]

we already gone over this babygirl

💀

[worn imp]

.

[magic pilot]

^

[magic pilot]

Yea I mean that's not exactly right that's why I specified

[worn imp]

oh damn 😆

i spoke too soon

someone told me the best m870 is the custom. That true or does it not matter which one u use?

[magic pilot]

Doesn't actually matter

[meager fog]

I should clarify:

DTH applies to everything, When the white armour bar is gone (makes it good for Hunters too since they will try to repair)

It also applies to Chungas and Robotics, since they have armour plates (which count as health) not armour

[magic pilot]

Hutchler (world record speedrunner) uses the classic m870 which is in my opinion the worst one

So it really doesn't matter

[meager fog]

The reason crit damage on rifles is worse is because you aren't going to hit most of your shots, unless you're aiming fully (at which point a Headshot build would be better)

Pretty much makes Crit damage on a Rifle useless

[subtle bluff]

He really doesn't take a hint well.

[meager fog]

Welcome to question time 🙂

[subtle bluff]

I answer his question awhile ago with a pic he just didn't look at it nor question how.

[meager fog]

I like answering questions, especially when yourself and Mortar are here. It's boosting my knowledge too lol

[subtle bluff]

If also feels like it refuses to look at the spreadsheet.

[worn imp]

I did not ask twice. This is just false.

[gentle lichen]

okay thats kinda crazy

[meager fog]

#td2-build-advice message

Forgot about the spreadsheet 😛

[worn imp]

why are you telling it again? you sent this message before and i read it

[gentle lichen]

it's about the "it" part man 😭

[meager fog]

I was just reiterating the point. We explained why DTH was a good stat, but not really why crit damage was bad for rifles

[worn imp]

Okay then

[hazy steeple]

Okay folks, time to take a break.

[worn imp]

these are all different questions my man. But Rivens is right, im out.

[subtle bluff]

I just woke up tho..

Again this should of been your clue for rifles.

[strong cave]

OD Sadist Rifles on top 🔥

[spare harness]

for chamelon could you build around having the 20% crit stat from perk itself, or is it not reliable enough to drop stuff for?

[subtle bluff]

Latter

[spare harness]

👍

[subtle bluff]

Body buff proc btw is more dps too btw

[spare harness]

and why do ppl not like the chameleon i see ppl dislike it a lot in a few things i read 😭 i think its really good

ik everything half the time is preference in this game im mostly just curious as to why people dislike it.

[subtle bluff]

It's range and accuracy.

The time it take to proc and then lose it again.

[onyx sage]

• it handles like a smg while a typical ar handles way better
• it forces you to main it, i.e. you have to use it for every encounter, and you can't swap off it or you lose all its buffs, revisit point 1 for why this is bad

in this game if you want to be optimal you wanna maximize your usage of all your weapons, you don't just use your primary

[spare harness]

ahh i see now yeah. it feels super fun to use, but i hate i cant just whip out my orbit sometimes

def makes doing the back-to-back-to-back strongholds feel a bit smoother to me

[onyx sage]

we also give advice that scales up to very hard content, because if it works there it works anywhere else. we don't just give advice for heroic missions or open world only for example

you're not gonna use it in legendary unless you're aware it's not going to be optimal

[spare harness]

makes sense yeah, tysm for the detailed responses n such i appreciate. i like learning stuff in this game and there is a lot to learn 😭

[subtle bluff]

Talents are powerful, but there only as powerful as there uptime.

[grand condor]

If I want any type of crutch playing dps. What's best, I am no pro so it feels like exodus gloves could be good for that 1 death in 3 runs or so. I mean even with good positioning, there will be that 1 random rocket across the map no? Dont tell me you all know exactly every enemy at all times 💪

[onyx sage]

legendary or...?

[grand condor]

Yeah legendary+

[onyx sage]

exodus is good yeah

legendary doesn't have rockets

[grand condor]

Also feels like expertise is overlooked. I am expertise 3 and if most dps pro's here are like expertise 20. Its like 17% more armor per item no?

[magic pilot]

It's off the base armor

With all your gear at 30 expertise it's around 190k armor

[gentle lichen]

2 red cores and 1 blue core is what you miss out on vs fully expertised builds

There's also missing out on 3 skill damage rolls when it comes to skill expeetise too

[grand condor]

That is kinda 1 blue cores worth then right? 170k max

[magic pilot]

Yes

Which just isn't worth all the exotics

[gentle lichen]

Unless you're me and obsessed with armor

[spiral trout]

Heyo all, build for heartbreaker with lexington will be worthed and coyote mask

[grand condor]

I am currently doing this, no idea if its the right way to go. Library>Expertise>Material

I have not run into any problems with material yet, but I am also just working on 1 build that I like so

[onyx sage]

i have 0 expertise on any of my armor. it doesn't matter much

[grand condor]

Nightwatcher mask etc? Or the new one?

[hazy steeple]

Expertise on armour scales off base, not off cores you have, right?

[gentle lichen]

Yeah

[hazy steeple]

Oh then in that case, Expertise on armour is 100% useless.

[gentle lichen]

Makes chest + bag expertise more valuable than say mask

[spiral trout]

U mean tinkerer mask?

[grand condor]

Yes

[gentle lichen]

-# maybe if they buff those values in the future itll be good

[spiral trout]

But then i cant use lexington cuz its named

[grand condor]

Oh, the items also have different base armor. Make sense that a vest would been you more protected than gloves 🤣

I am using negotiators dilemma + bluscreen right now. Seem to be VERY good, at least at the state I am in the game now doing Countdown over and over for gear. Heli-pad section, the poor npcs dont even move from the ropes

[sweet kiln]

I made a HeartBreaker 4 piece set - mask, chest, gloves, kneepads - blue cores. Memento chest, grupo sombra holster - red core. CHC/CHD attributes on all. Carabiner 7 and Dark Winter with killer talents.

I'm trying to get better AR that I could use Flatline on.
I find gameplay good, I play on Challenging as usual map difficulty and can most of the time facetank everything.

However I'd like more damage whilst keeping most of survivability. I have about 55% CHC and 95 CHD.
Any recommendations?

[magic pilot]

Swap grupo for ceska

[subtle bluff]

In the pinned messages there's a guide.

[subtle bluff]

Stop trying to exp armor or try to get tanky it's not worth.

[subtle bluff]

It's very good combo with a lot target or health targets.

[sweet kiln]

But that just gives CHC?

[magic pilot]

Yea a better ratio, aka more dps

[violet juniper]

CHC is more instances of CHD

therefore, big better boolet

[sweet kiln]

What's the "cap" for that, 60% or as high as it gets?

[patent fossil]

chc is capped at 60% (+season modifier bonuses), chd has no cap

given how easy it is to swap one for the other, and that almost everywhere 1 chc is 'worth' 2 chd, a single ceska piece is marginally more valuable than grupo.

[sweet kiln]

Thank you for the tips!

[coral reef]

Everyone is doing it! Every pog has at least one or two of them

[coral reef]

My phone is acting out, was replying to this

[grand condor]

I recommend bluscreen for this build. Or do you use tech for laser pointer to make armor stacking easier?

But! I ran full armor heartbteaker and now just 1 blue core and the difference is to little in my opinion. Dont know what it is but it feels like that long blue bar will be helpful but 2 enemies takes it down in seconds. Also, I could not even 1:1 trade which was would I hoped form e.g gain as much armor as I loose in a 1 on 1 fight with NPC

Btw, expolision or hazard after armor in the watch?

[patent fossil]

hazard

[bright raptor]

the main use of blue cores is always to buff shield tiers, the bonus armor is really there as a bonus if you get flanked and are being shot where the shield doesn't cover

[broken cradle]

My green red core striker build with tinkerer. I'm still getting one shotted to death by literally everything and I'm on heroic. Any advice?

[coral reef]

Go all red, play it like the cover shooter game it is, melt

[broken cradle]

@coral reef advice for going all red? I don't have any of the exotic striker build pieces and I'm the one getting melted

[coral reef]

50-60CHC, rest on CHD. Use cover

[patent fossil]

look up dien.aka.kim on youtube for some handy videos on how to run full red in the hardest content and stay safe - mostly involves peeking around high cover

[coral reef]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?usp=drivesdk

Also follow this guide

[glad heart]

And run coyote instead of Tinkerer.

[broken cradle]

@glad heart I just switched to coyote just now

[glad heart]

Roger, good move

[broken cradle]

@patent fossil got that YouTube link?

[patent fossil]

I literally gave you the channel name

[coral reef]

Did not know big boss had a youtube channel... fastest subscribe ever

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/tLopWe9NfF0?si=aJC0Of0GO4RMmS6k

If you can nail positioning like this, you will almost never die or even be hit

Some areas are a little more limited and you'll need to work with what's available obviously but this is generally how high skill players avoid dying with super low survivability builds

[coral reef]

The build he posted was really nad though, not heroic ready yet imo. With coyote he will see an improvement for sure

[solar sable]

how did you not know 🙏

[coral reef]

Im new lol, that madman is the best

Carried me im legendary Tidal Basin, using... perfect glass cannon

[broken cradle]

@magic pilot then explain how rogues can get pummeled by turrets in DZ and walk away?

[onyx sage]

1. pve and pvp are completely different
2. turrets in dz are bugged to deal significantly less damage right now

in pvp you can't always play at long to mid range like in pve

[magic pilot]

The turrets are bugged rn lol

Not rocket science

[broken cradle]

@onyx sage noted

[meager fog]

Stop getting shot

That sounds harsh but that's literally Div2 Lesson 1.

Don't get shot.

[radiant coyote]

What is the best build for the Tinkerer mask

[subtle bluff]

OD it's in the pinned messages

[round siren]

What’s a good pakhan build?

[subtle bluff]

Builds are generally fairly universal to weapons.

[coral reef]

Negotiators Dilemma works great with the larger mag of LMGs I expertised Pakhan just playing and it was a blast

[round siren]

Oooo ok thanks!

[round siren]

Got it thanks!

[coral reef]

Do this but with Pakhan and enjoy https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uC1ZYSegDfj5s9hrkZJUo7Z4FeMTjgKgZ1L6MqVj_Kg/edit?usp=drivesdk

[rapid arrow]

Umbra with full stacks is underrated

[subtle bluff]

Meh just go faster

[hazy steeple]

Just posting that without context is not very useful.

[fresh fox]

those who know:

[terse scroll]

is DTOC still a good attribute for Scorpio or does it not matter that much?

[subtle bluff]

For DMG yes DTTooC is always best.

[terse scroll]

I'm not really using Scorpio for damage, but i guess it's probs still worth to build it for that. I'm mainly using it in Tidal Legendary Boss room as a tank and staggering everyone

[meager fog]

Dttooc on all weapons, all the time. Unless it's an LMG

[terse scroll]

easy, guess it's reconfigure time

[raven wasp]

Is it better to farm for gear or tinker it?

[subtle bluff]

There's no boss on in leggo Tidal..

[subtle bluff]

Depends on a lot of things?

[honest moss]

I use mag size on mine for my support builds.

[raven wasp]

Context I’m at about the dps range for pve to go into heroic but I’m feeling like a I need just a bit more boost so I’ve been filling my library but I’m thinking it’d be better to just farm build items with higher stats and just refill one stat to get the god roll vs a bunch of optimization

[terse scroll]

*boss room

[subtle bluff]

*Last section. Leggo is very different from heroic

[subtle bluff]

still depends. On the gear and what rolls are on it and then your library.

[terse scroll]

👍

[halcyon wind]

Your best bet is to always fill your library first. It reduces the amount of grinding you need to do later on. Once you max out your watch level getting materials becomes a lot easier.

[fiery coral]

I just hit level 40, was wondering if someone could give me some suggestions. This is my style.

Usually an AR and an LMG and I will switch the ar to a marksman rifle if I need range, I prefer health and armor than having huge DPS. I dont mind trying any item except the drone that shoots (first one) because I've had a bug and literally cant use it, I usually rock the healing one and the revive one. I dont mind grinding or farming just would like some options and suggestions

[subtle bluff]

and plz don't need to spam all the server at once. All the helpful people are all around.

well there's no need to I should say

[fiery coral]

Ifs just two servers, they aren't related to eachother and I want to reach the most people since I doubt everyone is in both, how is this spam, its a one off isolated message.

[subtle bluff]

I'm sleepy be too blunt there sorry

[fiery coral]

Its not spam.

[subtle bluff]

Just saying. nite. GL HF

[fiery coral]

If I posted it every hour then sure, its literally one message in two separate discord servers

[magic pilot]

Most people that are active here are also active there, think that's all chow is saying

[fiery coral]

Ah, I found that other discord from a different place so I thought they were entirely separate

[magic pilot]

Correct. Seperate in who runs them, not who is actively chatting

Something I've noticed is that people who tend to spend a lot of time giving build advice are usually in quite a few discords

[urban latch]

Check out the pinned google doc in this channel. There's a bunch of build guides and info in there.

As far as preferring armor vs DPS, it's ultimately personal preference. Any of the dps build guides you can just swap armor cores onto as you prefer. But generally speaking there's a good reason people tend to max thier DPS. While leveling up through story mode running armor cores is far more effective because the red cores are basically meaningless, and your never going to stack enough crit attributes to really matter, but the endgame is very different.

[fiery coral]

Oh really. When I wake up ill have a coffee and take a read, cheers mate.

[urban latch]

As far as builds to start with, prettier much everyone will suggest starting with strikers. Easy to put together and one of the best builds in the game

[mellow flint]

i need more chd

i need to transcend striker

[patent fossil]

Backfire, umbra, new lmg set next season

[mellow flint]

how far can umbra take me

[patent fossil]

You won't pass striker just by stacking chd though, you get more diminishing returns the higher it gets

[mellow flint]

oh u get dr from chd too

[shy willow]

BROKEN META OP 1000 CHD BUILD (GONE WRONG) (COPS CALLED)

[vestal ibex]

Naw that's just how mafs works.

[mellow flint]

i shouldve paid attention in school instead of drawing that silly S on my table

[vestal ibex]

Bro the S is still legend.

[noble nova]

opinions on heartbreaker ?

[broken cradle]

Hey agents can anyone offer critique or opinions on my striker coyote mask AR build with obliterate? I really want to get my armour up because I'm sick of getting one shot destroyed in seconds by literally everything, and my DPS up. Right now I'm rocking the st Elmo's engine and FAMAS replica

[strong cave]

the issue itself is your build

[broken cradle]

Ok @strong cave how so? Any tips? I'm an open book

I'd like to point out in on heroic as well

[strong cave]

use this

[noble nova]

How can i make this better?

[strong cave]

that wyvern chest isnt doing anything for you. striker is a DPS set, not a skill set. skills dont slot well with striker. if you need to use a few blue cores, you can do so with striker. If you want a Memento setup, I can give you one in a moment

[broken cradle]

Sure

And Ive been trying to get a ceska with obliterate chest piece for ages now. Just this morning I was jumping between countdown and summit trying for one

[strong cave]

shield is perfect for this setup. can run any secondary skill as well and itll perform. if you wanna keep your striker drone, can do that. defender drone, reviver hive, seeker mine, anything

[strong cave]

remove blue cores is about it

and obviously optimizing your stats

[broken cradle]

I've been trying with tinkering but the one blue I can remove is on the gloves

Ok for now @strong cave Ive canned the wyvern chest piece and gone almost full Striker build minus coyote mask and all red core

[strong cave]

Get that ceska piece and you're set 👌

[meager fog]

You only need to get a chest with CHC and CHD on it so you can change the talent....or a chest with oblit and chd/chc. It's doesn't have to be perfect. Tinkering exists

[strong cave]

Ceska chest drops can get annoying when it rolls with HSD or handling 😂 or both 😂

Getting ceska chests for me are a nightmare

[meager fog]

I've used a Handling one for a long time because of the current seasonal buffs offering free CHC. I'll miss it when it's gone

[strong cave]

Same. The buffs were decent this season compared to last. The first ever modifiers, oh my, I loved playing long range ughhhhhh I miss it

[meager fog]

Anything that makes the Elmos and Lexington more laser like is fine with me lol

[strong cave]

Real 💯

[cerulean smelt]

i dunno, i miss the overcharged skills

[patent fossil]

Momentum was my favourite - fast running, improved rof/damage, and overcharged shield just let you cut your way through everything in a flash, especially with bighorn

[cerulean smelt]

could you imagine that with Tempest pistol? (> <)

laugh at the npcs trying to destroy our overcharged shield while we cut them down with the tempest?

[broken cradle]

Is it better to run summit on challenging for ceska drop or higher?

[cerulean smelt]

challening Countdown with Ceska target loot since you get a sheer amount of loot in countdown, summit if you want to take your time and not get as many loots to filter through

[subtle bluff]

It was OP

[patent fossil]

They're all OP in one way or another, but it was fun

Some of the active modifiers next season look to be pretty fun too though

[magic pilot]

Super fun when some ass hat had it in pvp

[rich lotus]

Anybody able to tell me if weapon handling increases rate of fire?

[patent fossil]

fun and pvp almost never go hand in hand for me

[patent fossil]

nope - accuracy, stability, reload speed, swap speed possibly

[magic pilot]

I mean same, but that's like playing tarkov too

[rich lotus]

Thanks

[meager fog]

I don't hate myself enough to play that game 🤣

[magic pilot]

I only play PvE, but even then it has its moments. "Wear a birthday hat and kill 50 enemies with a chambered pistol between 0300-0400 while in a group of 3 or more"

[meager fog]

I love Viva La Dirt League's videos on Tarkov. Specifically the one where the devs are discussing how they want the game to be. It's hilarious

[magic pilot]

I haven't seen them, will check it out

[cerulean smelt]

i liked the tank destroy all armor and nearby enemies start to bleed bit (> <)

[patent fossil]

I like the look of the 'spiced up' one that gets you charging around hip firing, unfortunately in practice the speed boost wasn't that great

although that was without upgrading the modifier, which would improve the speed and other bonuses

[cerulean smelt]

was it rugged gloves or something else that improved our hip firing?

[patent fossil]

they improve blind firing, not sure if it works for hip firing, didn't test

[cerulean smelt]

was it blind firing? thought we had an exotic that improved our hip firing too? hmm

[worn elbow]

We do have that

[patent fossil]

also I realised afterwards, running memento with spiced up is a tad pointless as you don't get the bonus armor

[worn elbow]

Also that’s one of the new active modifier?

[patent fossil]

one of them

[cerulean smelt]

least you get increased weapon damage and skill efficiency

[magic pilot]

Yep

It's both

[cerulean smelt]

the fun part of it
you level up the active by using it and killing things and/or doing the very specific retaliations vs the faction for the active modifier. think this was hyena right? so hyena retaliation

[patent fossil]

that modifier would probably work best with striker rather than HF tbf, then you can throw on those gloves without having to run HF bag or chest

[patent fossil]

yeah, didn't really have enough time to play PTS to get it upgraded, should be easy enough in the live season though

[magic pilot]

I really really hope we get 1 last big update to descent that just adds a ton of perks and weapons

[cerulean smelt]

as in what we use in descent or other weapons aside that one exotic rifle to buy?

i for one would love to see named perks in descent 🤔

[magic pilot]

Yes

[magic pilot]

I mean the named perks are just the normal ones but better

Which is what upgrading them does

We were talking about how it would be cool for them to add exotic weapon category above the blue grade

[cerulean smelt]

so instead of just exotic talent we get the actual exotic weapon? 🤔 that would be neat

[magic pilot]

Maybe with no talent, available at higher loops

You just get the cool gun and slightly better stats

[cerulean smelt]

ohhhh, would be kind of funny to have bewildered as an exotic talent in there XD

though, descent/summit could use some extra love for replayability sake. one thing i wish we could do is get to a 10th level in descent and get an option to save where we left off and come back to it later kind of deal

[magic pilot]

Exit save at least

[cerulean smelt]

nods i'd welcome a new station after we finish a loop we'd interact with for this

[empty willow]

What’s a good build for tidal

[subtle bluff]

strikers.

[vestal ibex]

Okay folks, time to take a break.

[noble nova]

does heartbreaker and memento stack ?

[magic pilot]

If you mean the bonus armor yes

[coral reef]

Lets say I want to use Tipping Scales (+30% ammo) and Tinkerer Mask, what normal LMG would you guys use?

[onyx sage]

bullet king

[coral reef]

Boss a non exotic (tinkerer mask)

[onyx sage]

iron lung

👍

[magic pilot]

m249

[broken cradle]

Anyone have a obliterate ceska chest piece they can share to me? I've been running summit for hours and nothing

[glad heart]

Unless the chest piece drops while you are grouped, it cannot be shared. What you are looking for is a very hard piece to find--due to being meta and popular. It will drop for you eventually, but not telling how long it will take

[broken cradle]

@glad heart I'm solo and trust me I've noticed it's hard to get

[glad heart]

Took me 150 floors to get the last one I got to drop

[hazy steeple]

Using Summit to farm it out will take a lot longer than just spamming Countdown.

There's a reason why we don't recommend Summit for TL farming.

[gentle lichen]

but legendary quality...

[hazy steeple]

I'm sure the 12 enemies per room will drops loads.

[gentle lichen]

eh can spam floor 10 tbh

[hazy steeple]

Even so, Challenging Countdown w/ceska selected will get you it faster, and be far less dull.

[broken cradle]

No one can ever stay with me or matchmake with me for summit or CD

[glad heart]

And if you are a solo player, countdown is out anyway

[hazy steeple]

Complaining about things taking a long time to farm, and doing everything in your power to extend that time out, is not going to solve your problem.

farming in div2 is all about balancing quality:time spent. Countdown has about 30-50 pieces per run, most being TL. And takes 15minutes+extraction on the long end.

[glad heart]

Yeah quality is important. But us older folks have a different mindset (at least those that I know) But, yeah quality is important.

[meager fog]

lol what?.....

[meager fog]

A piece being popular has literally zero effect on your ability to get it?

Ceska Oblit piece is not difficult to farm, it's a red core anyway so rolls red attributes more often than others. Shouldn't take no more than 3/4 runs to get one. (Had 8/9 myself for other people today alone)

[glad heart]

Well, if you say so

[subtle bluff]

That's a perfect chest perfect to keep.

[glad heart]

Absolutely. Oblit, a couple of bumps. Done.

[subtle bluff]

And then you can change when you want to try other stuff.

[glad heart]

Yes

The times that I ran countdown, I never got anything close to that. Took a while, but heroic summit, and there is was.

[broken cradle]

Got it!!!

[weak nebula]

whats the best lmg for my ongoing directive tinkerer build

[meager fog]

Whichever LMG you want to use

Gr9 with Frenzy is really fun

[weak nebula]

does it really not matter?

[smoky latch]

The MK46 is a good one

Personally I don't like the GR9 as much cuz the TTK is slower. Personal preference plays into it as well

[weak nebula]

i like the mk46 but wondered if any were better but i guess ill try them all

[broken cradle]

Finally got obliterate ceska chest

[smoky latch]

Try Negev next

[weak nebula]

can you put 50 round gunner mag on the stoner

[subtle bluff]

Mk46/m249 or either MG5

For Mk46 I'd actually kind of recommend putting on RoF for the Mag.

[weak nebula]

5 percent rof over 50 bullets?

[spare harness]

what is a consistent chameleon build? im assuming obli-ceska/striker coyote?

[gentle lichen]

yeth

you'll have range troubles tho

[weak nebula]

also killer or pressure point for secondary perk, using sadist as primary

[magic pilot]

5% rof when you have no other sources of rof is essentially 5% more dps which is huge

[magic pilot]

Killer for solo, I'd go measured in a group

[gentle lichen]

you
where leggie

[weak nebula]

so no pressure point in any situation

[gentle lichen]

maybe if u dont like rng talents

-# but its a big jump in damage using killer

[hazy steeple]

Sadist+Pressure is a nice combo, Killer is great but.....does require that someone else doesn't steal that red/purple bar first.

If you can get Killer to work consistently, you will 1-mag a heroic spawn in a lot of cases. It's kinda crazy.

[weak nebula]

that was my worry on with killer stuff like countdown, too many people "taking" kills

[hazy steeple]

For CD, I ignore it entirely and just go for the other option.
Or use an EP setup, there's enough DPS hounds in most CD runs already.

[weak nebula]

ep?

[hazy steeple]

Eclipse Protocol.

specifically fire in my case, but YMMV.

If you swap out the fire sticky for an EMP sticky for extraction, you don't even have to change the rest of the build.

[weak nebula]

i like the look of that, i like using status, any specific build or just a recent one i can find online

[hazy steeple]

As always, the spreadsheet.

localdeck's variant is my personal go-to.

[weak nebula]

i wasnt aware there was a spredsheet, fair enough

[gentle lichen]

knowledge is power

[hazy steeple]

oh, in that case I have very good news for you!

@weak nebula The math nerds of this server have put together a "division wikipedia" of sorts, including a list of heroic grade meta builds.

You can find it in this channel > 📌 pinned-message > "spreadsheet 2" > googledoc.

It's updated when it needs to be, you're going to want to save it.

[weak nebula]

damn this is extensive

thanks for letting me know about this

[magic pilot]

We can run whenever

[gentle lichen]

im around

[subtle bluff]

Sadist forsure. The 2nd talent there's is no right or wrong answer here. It's what feel good to you. Play with it.

[limpid ocean]

Why do people run killer on hb tinkerer over optimist or measured

Paired with flatline of course

[shy willow]

Killer is very very powerful when procced

[subtle bluff]

Bigger number.

[violet shadow]

I may give that a go I do have all those pieces and they're maxed out I beleive... and also have 2 god roll Gr9s that are maxed out

[violet shadow]

You could do 2 Gr9's your main have killer while your secondary has flat line

[solar prairie]

Not my build but I saw this posted somehere, Is this more of a PVP (conflict) or PVE build I cant quite understand how it works,lol!

[violet shadow]

you know how umbra works right?

[solar prairie]

Purely based on reading the text, no experience with it yet as I am a returning player since Nov 2022.

[violet shadow]

alright just mantle against cover and wait for a couple seconds then fire

[weak nebula]

the bag adds one to each brand set aswell if you didnt know

[solar prairie]

Yeah the bag I am familiar from division 1 (played it only for story) 70hrs.

what does the artificer do for the decoy, extend its duration I suppose?

[violet shadow]

I use umbra in pvp just I use 2 striker 3 umbra and ninja bike

with the pesti

[solar prairie]

I have zero pvp experience and this might be the time I try conflict or rage quit XD

[violet shadow]

you'll have fun no doubt

go in with a build and play for fun don't be seirous it's a game if you play for competition you won't have fun or get anyware now time to get back to finishing my book

[solar prairie]

But I do like the appeal of this loadout that has 100% pulse resist ( I assume ), sneaky2x

[violet shadow]

It won't earn me money just but leaving unfinished

[solar prairie]

I will just be playing to get conflict caches for emperors guard. I know other sources exist but im bored to death just doing countdown and purchasing the named caches. Goodluck on that book!

[violet shadow]

yeah I

am working on becoming an author and this'll be my first book

[subtle bluff]

GR9 isn't worth it.