td2-build-advice

[shy willow]

I'm fairly sure reconstructed caches only have named blueprints

So you might get liquid engineer for example but not the base belstone prints

They expanded the blueprint pool recently but the older sets are still in limbo

[hazy steeple]

I believe the full list of what's in a Reconstructed Cache is 📌 pinned over in #td2-descent

[shy willow]

Named only checks out

[grizzled garnet]

If im running tinkerers OD does it matter what way around i have my weapon talents?

IwI with pressure point and m60 with sadist
Vs
IwI with sadist and m60 with pressure point

[shy willow]

I've heard boomerang only works from secondary to primary

[grizzled garnet]

🤔 what about.... sadist and pressure point tho?

[patent fossil]

Afaik they work either way around

[grizzled garnet]

Ok ty 🙏

[grizzled garnet]

Im hitting about 780k per crit with OD tinkerer. That sound good enough?

[shy willow]

Sounds a tad low for a Negev but it's workable

[patent fossil]

Depends on the weapon

[shy willow]

Especially with the added amp from pressure point

[grizzled garnet]

IWI Negev

Ill need to check the exact stats later

[patent fossil]

I know I was hitting just shy of 1m crits on a 100-round, 850rpm, unexpertised lmg. Although possibly that was headshot crits.

[grizzled garnet]

Ill check back again later when im in game.

[grizzled garnet]

Is it better to not use the +35 mag?

[patent fossil]

Oh, I meant 100-round base, definitely use the biggest mag you can

OD effectiveness drops hard if you don't finish enemies off within 1 mag after all

[grizzled garnet]

So close 🥲

[subtle bluff]

It's great EP BTSU

[subtle bluff]

o.0

[toxic frigate]

what the best attribute to use in SMG

[patent fossil]

Dtooc

[strong cave]

^^ also best attributes for nearly all weapons

CHC on crit starved builds, DTA on builds that aren't crit starved

(this is also because not everything has armor either. Setting aside crit builds)

I mean, you can do rate of fire, but usually the community argues CHC for crit starved, DTA for non crit starved

[patent fossil]

You shoot them, then shoot them again. Maybe restack on other enemies in between if necessary

If running turmoil, you just shoot someone near them. If not running determined, you shoot them in the body.

[bright raptor]

shotguns

more specifically the pump action ones

[patent fossil]

Just leave a few red bars around to restack on until you've got the more awkward enemies out the way

[rocky cape]

One build with lexington?

[cerulean smelt]

bet you can guess striker

[meager fog]

Basic Striker, works with any high RPM gun

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say be prepared to be disappointed in the lexington now that you have it (> <)

[rocky cape]

The St. Elmo will always be there in case the Lexington is really bad, but I'm interested in having a good weapon and carrying an exotic pistol.

[cerulean smelt]

yes, next season will have a fun exotic pistol

[rocky cape]

And they say that the light machine guns are going to be operational, so we'll have to be alert.

[meager fog]

Busy little bee is fun

[grizzled garnet]

Whats your secondary?

[meager fog]

Cold Relations. Perfect strained.

[grizzled garnet]

Is it actually good without its talent? Bc the talent sounds... bad

[grizzled garnet]

🙏 ty. Might try it if i can get one

[cerulean smelt]

shield breaking bit? no clue i didn't have a proper striker build in it but what i could get for ceska it felt pretty amazing

[meager fog]

I love it, when striker is stacked up and perfect strained gets stacked it hits like a truck at close range. 1.6m+

[grizzled garnet]

🤔 intriguing

[meager fog]

P Strained goes up to 80% extra crit damage

Instead of the base 50%

[grizzled garnet]

Stacks 8 times or 16% per stack?

[meager fog]

8 times, 4 seconds for full stack

[gentle lichen]

You'd probably only deal the added 80% chd on 20%-10% of the enemy's HP

And on 25% of the mag too? 4 second dump with striker is pretty quick

[meager fog]

Its nice for finishing off chungas in lego, or spawn locks where a few enemies are left. Doesn't require anything other than switching to it and blasting the clip out before changing back to elmos for reload.

Also nice for rushers, can take 3/4 out in a single magazine

[meager fog]

The idea is eventually I'm going to build for it. But for now it got stuck as my secondary and I enjoy it

[magic pilot]

Lexington is by far a better AR than st Elmo imo

[magic pilot]

That tells me everything I need to know

[meager fog]

Whats that?

[magic pilot]

60 rounds for a rusher

Seems shit

[meager fog]

Takes several out in a single magazine. It is what it is.

I enjoy using it 😁

[patent fossil]

Depends how willing you are to farm another with better stats

[magic pilot]

I mean you can like using something and it be not good

[meager fog]

I take it you're looking for oblit 🤣

That's just mean

[forest rampart]

is there a location I can find optimal substats for exotics? for example what roll I want on a bluescreen with negotiators?

[meager fog]

I mean, depends how flush you are with resources as to whether you want to farm another or optimise.

I dont personally optimise unless it's only 2/3 from max. Unless it's a pain to farm in the first place.

[meager fog]

Every weapon should have Dttooc as third attribute.

Unless it's an LMG. Then you want either CHC or DTA/ROF depending how much crit you have.

[forest rampart]

so if I'm at the crit cap, in this case since bluescreen is an lmg I want DTA or ROF, okay, thanks

[meager fog]

Personally I would go ROF.

DTA only applies to white bar enemies. Does nothing for chunga and robotics.

ROF gun go BRRR everything takes more damage.

[magic pilot]

Dtooc for everything besides lmg, you want chc

You can move stuff around on your build to account for the extra 9.5 chc and it will offer the highest dps increase

[magic pilot]

Your advice gets worse everytime

[shy willow]

Especially on guns like bluescreen, pesti, iron lung that crit chance is very valuable

[violet juniper]

what?

ok, Cold Relations is a great choice, but ROF on LMG's???

noooooo

[versed summit]

If you can’t take CHC it’s just arguably more damage than dta

iKia has tested this before with things like bullet king with coyote, where you just have too much CHC and RoF is minimally better.

[vagrant harness]

hello

i have a nooby question. how does some players hives turrents drones shoot out some colorful stuff and does it boost damage and such? first time trying skill tier 6 build and my stuff look regular

[versed summit]

It’s cosmetic

[magic pilot]

I've yet to see a build that gets more value from rof vs chc

Even on triple tick I would say the DTA is better

[versed summit]

Triple tick sure

I’ll try and find it later

[hazy hull]

So I'm doing over 4 million critical hit damage And nearly 12 million on tier 5 assault but healths lacking All I can think of increasing my SHD level for more health

[versed summit]

I’d really just try playing smarter. Solid build tho

[mellow flint]

got the same build rn

160 CHD 50 CHC

[lavish vortex]

dumb question but how do i avoid not getting hit so much on glass cannon builds

i assume full body cover beats the half cover where when you shoot you expose your entire torso?

[onyx sage]

yes

[violet juniper]

play smarter

Don't step out into big firefights, let your teammates take the attention

I have a theory that running glass cannon just ups your threat level to NPC's

[lavish vortex]

i play exclusively solo in 99% of stuff

[violet juniper]

probably not true, but it makes sense

[onyx sage]

there are videos of people soloing hard content with full red builds, look at their technique and positioning

[lavish vortex]

so i swapped my build from strikers to hf

[violet juniper]

Decoy is now your best friend.

[onyx sage]

just look up "solo legendary full red"

[lavish vortex]

okie thx

[karmic tide]

Just wanted to come by this morning and say thank you for telling me to stop using the hive and just get better at cover control and positioning. Game changer!

No Maps, No Shields, No Hive.

[violet juniper]

Hey, you're doing better than me. I love my hive

[karmic tide]

I relied on it too much

Would face tank till I fell

[karmic tide]

Also nothing wrong with using it. I do these things to challenge myself and keep the game interesting.

[quiet arrow]

chat i just got a foxes prayer kneepads how can i utilize it in my strikers build

current thing

[magic pilot]

The goat is here

[onyx sage]

i wouldn't use it in here tbh, but one adjustment you could make is using ceska instead of fenris for chest brand

[vestal ibex]

Foxes isn't better for most strikers builds. The times it is better is when you have high expertise and even then it's typically less than 1% damage.

[bronze summit]

can the pestilence toxin damage ticks crit?

[onyx sage]

no

[bronze summit]

tyvm

[grizzled garnet]

Only use it when you use a strikers chest but thats only for higher difficulty content like incursions, countdown, legendary and raids. For now just change your chest brand for a ceska one as others have mentioned and youre golden.

[hexed steppe]

save em for a nego build

[magic pilot]

Uhhh no

If you are using an AR there's pretty much always a better option than Fox for crit

[gloomy spruce]

But sir, the multiplicative DTOC damage?! Who will think about the multiplicative DTOC damage?!

There is no other source on any build anywhere, like on the weapon, that a person can get multiplicative DTOC damage!!!!!

[subtle bluff]

This is true when I see someone that has a lux without DTTooC foxes is better!

[grizzled garnet]

Like?

[subtle bluff]

Ceska, Grupo,

[grizzled garnet]

Is the increased crit really more valuavle than dttooc

[onyx sage]

yes

is 8% dttooc more valuable than 25% crit damage

[grizzled garnet]

I dont do the maths so idk how it works out

[subtle bluff]

Not the best...

[onyx sage]

well basically fox makes one lose more crit than most people realize, all they see is "ooooooh dttooc multiplicative" (whatever that means) and just slap it onto everything when it's not necessarily the best. in this case it's not the best unless you have too much crit

[grizzled garnet]

I think people say the "dttooc multiplicative" line since the formula puts it right next to a multiplication but chd next to an addition

[onyx sage]

which is completely dumb and i have to explain to them every time

[grizzled garnet]

Well now its 1 less time :3

🙏

[urban latch]

Ignoring headshots, the way crit damage increases your damage on a crit is the same way dtooc increases your damage when a target is out of cover. All sources of that damage type are added together, that total bonus is multiplied to everything else.

[onyx sage]

Casual players HATE him!

[grizzled garnet]

On a tangent is there a expertise costs chart. Asking for a frend

[vestal ibex]

I just remember the time I was told I should be using foxes cause it would do more damage but I had tested it and it just wasn't, got screen shots of their numbers and they did gain a tiny more damage vs not wearing foxes and it all came down to the fact that I only had like 18 expertise. So somewhere in your expertise you will net 0 and then take a tiny bit more damage on some builds.

[grizzled garnet]

🙏

[magic pilot]

Now DTA is where it gets interesting....

[vestal ibex]

More so messy lol

[grizzled garnet]

Bc of dawgs and tanks and heavies?

[magic pilot]

The average casual player is sleeping on contractor

[magic pilot]

Most people don't run DTA on their AR so using contractors adds a unique source

Which can technically be higher than using something like grupo but is far more inconsistent

[vestal ibex]

Too content/situational dependent for the general public imo

It's like explaining why hollowman is good.

[magic pilot]

Tidal boss room was made for contractors

[versed summit]

I mean you still have chungas, dogs, and turrets, not to mention the extra minor % you get from a new multiplier is just going to be canceled out by the health on every elite anyways

[lost wren]

how's this for solo legendary?

with 4 blues and memento

[subtle bluff]

No Strikers Chest. Your starting DPS will take too long to ramp.

[lost wren]

ceska obliterate then?

will that still hold up for legendary?

[subtle bluff]

yup

Have you done leggo in a squad yet?

[lost wren]

i have

[subtle bluff]

Striker chest doesn't do more DMG than Obil till you get past 135ish striker stacks for it to better.

Obli talent is powerful.

[slate wedge]

isn’t it used for one-shotting lucy and buddy?

[subtle bluff]

no

Punch Drunk is used there.

[slate wedge]

isn’t it 10% dth vs 20% weapon damage?

[subtle bluff]

tbh idk if dog bosses for dogs are armor or health

[hexed steppe]

too many blue imho

[onyx sage]

20% hsd, but it "double dips" because achilles uses that hsd in 2 places

[subtle bluff]

I've nevered need hollowman for one shot.

[onyx sage]

and also, buddy+lucy have armor so dth is useless

[slate wedge]

but isn’t the hsd negligible because dcg holster gives so much already?

[onyx sage]

dch gives weapon damage, not hsd

[subtle bluff]

For Achilles we need to stacks alll the HSD

[slate wedge]

oh bruh they do?

[subtle bluff]

ALL the HSD.

[slate wedge]

wtf did that other guy i talked to mean then?

[subtle bluff]

Good I thought so.

[onyx sage]

basically if the one shot build uses achilles then you build hsd

weapon damage is only for headhunter

[subtle bluff]

HH = WD
Achilles = HSD

[magic pilot]

Still the best chance it has!

[slate wedge]

for 1-shotting wright i should go with punch drunk aswell then?

[subtle bluff]

no more HSD

ACHILLES WANTS HSD

[onyx sage]

no, you use hsd brand

[magic pilot]

That's strikers?

[onyx sage]

habsburg or providence gives 23% hsd vs punch drunk's 20%

[magic pilot]

DCH and contractors

[subtle bluff]

UH?

[onyx sage]

for wright i used dch + habsburg + 4p striker

[magic pilot]

Am I tripping

[subtle bluff]

Achilles [number you would hit without] x [1 + hsd%] x [1 + exp%]

[onyx sage]

this is so sad.

[magic pilot]

My bad ignore me

I'm just a senile old man

[onyx sage]

alexa, do gate strat

[subtle bluff]

My incursion get out. JK

[vestal ibex]

Really if you BLB stack/DCH it doesn't matter too much you will hit the damage. In speeds it's just PGC/DCH/strikers.

[slate wedge]

why not big striker?

not enough time to stack on the dogs?

[vestal ibex]

It's just not needed and the damage is pretty comparable anyway.

[opal bison]

Putting together backfire build. How much % of bleed resist is recommended? I don't mind like a second or half of bleed on reload

[magic pilot]

0

[slate wedge]

depends on the content but mostly 0

[opal bison]

wait what do you mean, 0%? 😂 come one guys

[vestal ibex]

Yeah the backfire bleed build is more of a seasonal modifiers gimmick. Now the season is nearing end it's really not worth farming, not like it was before tbh.

[onyx sage]

you don't need it. you don't bleed anymore at max stacks, and after 3 reloads you gain immunity anyway

[opal bison]

but without resist or hazpro, i will bleed 10s on reload right?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah if you have targets to shoot you typically only lose like 25% or less of your armor.

[onyx sage]

that's negligible, since the bleed is cut short on reload

[opal bison]

interesting

[onyx sage]

you can shoot and spam reload 3 times to get immunity

[opal bison]

let me try that out. I didnt know of this exploit

[vestal ibex]

So when you reload it reapplies it and when you reapply status(in this case bleed) it diminishes it's time until the third reload giving you immunity for a bit.

[onyx sage]

at max stacks you also just don't bleed since there's no stacks to bleed from.

it's also not an exploit

[subtle bluff]

Shoot, reload and bleed 3 times to get an immunity

[subtle bluff]

It's not an exploit...

[vestal ibex]

You're an exploit.

[opal bison]

okay noted. It's not an exploit

[onyx sage]

status diminishing is a deep mechanic that's just built into the game

just like health gate

[vestal ibex]

Just not shown anywhere like OSP(one shot protection)

[onyx sage]

this is a better explanation, i'll use it next time

[vestal ibex]

I'd throw the quick succession in there too.

[opal bison]

got it.. max stacks I have immunity from bleed So I just shouldn't swap weapons then.. got it

[vestal ibex]

If you wait too long from your bleed start to the next one it wont stack up the resistance to it.

[opal bison]

makes sense

[vestal ibex]

Also it works by giving you a certain % of resist to that status, just waiting on @urban latch to make his backfire bleed analysis vid.

[onyx sage]

it's a mechanic that protects you and everyone else from being spammed with that same status over and over. in this case for backfire bleed it works in your favor doubly so

[urban latch]

but im laaaaaaaazy

[subtle bluff]

I'll make the video but explaining is another thing..

[onyx sage]

you gotta redeem yourself now, can't linger on 7 skill tiers

[vestal ibex]

Executive dysfunction hello my old friend.

[magic pilot]

Ong

[karmic tide]

On my strikers build I’m torn on ARs:

lexi: 50r 1.5mil avg dmg full stacks w/ measured
EB: 60r 1.3mil avg dmg full stacks w/ tenacity
Elmo: 70r 1.02mil avg dmg full stacks

The mag difference makes me wonder which is doing more dmg

[urban latch]

damage x rpm is what matters, not just the damage number

[karmic tide]

All 3 have fairly similar rpm

[urban latch]

but not the same rpm

[karmic tide]

EB has the highest at 1020 and the other two are at 978

I’m also not convinced EB’s output is worth the slight chance it drops me

[urban latch]

measured also has two RPMs and two average damages, you basically need to calc the rpm twice on it and find the average between the two. Im fairly certain your 1.5m number is the slow rpm

[karmic tide]

It’s the high

Oh wait no you’re right

900k-1.5mil

[urban latch]

either way, its going to come down to what you prefer. If you want the most dps lex is going to win out. By how much you'll need to actually calc those numbers. EB has the survivability benifit of its talent, thats the only reason to use it, but like you mentioned that same talent can down you. Elmos has the CC effect and the large mag, but less dps

[karmic tide]

🙆🏼

I’m screaming at the sky, thank you for the convo @urban latch

[urban latch]

Id suggest playing around with this. Let me know if you have questions, but this should help you calc what were talking about and point out the key things that matter when comparing these things
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FaDDfFIqOgdTfceG2ByFvmgStZ6K7whC-7LdND6WXL0/edit?gid=1681449641#gid=1681449641

[karmic tide]

Thank you

[sudden cloak]

Killer is another good option for lex

[wicked igloo]

Is blur core striker with backfire good for solo pvr lile control pointd etc?

[meager fog]

Red core backfire striker is fine for solo PVE

[wicked igloo]

I run an all red core, but i barely make it alive

[lost wren]

could this build handle solo master?
or would the damage just be too low?

[meager fog]

Then it's a play better issue. Blue cores will make it harder, not easier.

Be smarter, use better positioning and prioritise targets

[limpid niche]

do hive mods even do anything to the artificer hive? literally no change in stats besides the duration, range, and health mods

seems like no mod for drones slot for artificer

[lost wren]

also what are the best active and passive modifiers to use?

[trail marsh]

so i just got my lexington after a long grind what are the best mods and talent to put on it.(im a striker build)

[glad heart]

I run strained on my Lex, but others like Killer (talents.) As for mods, you are probably going to want crit chance mods as striker starves for crit chance (just to get up to 50, without sacrificing crit damage, where coyote can take it up to 60) Which particular mods, doesn't matter. Just crit chance mods.

[subtle bluff]

Same story it’s more about the gameplay vs the build after a point.

[meager fog]

Also a significant lack of PFE that just makes Master trivial.

[subtle bluff]

I haven’t used PFE in a red build for awhile.

[meager fog]

but you're a weird god type person

Us average people sometimes need a bit of PFE 😛

[subtle bluff]

No I’m just fairly knowledgeable persons.

[livid mesa]

What's the name of that one talent with a snake's face in it? Is it good on Lexington?

The one where you need to kill close

[shy willow]

Close and personal, and no it's not that good

[livid mesa]

Oh shit

All my exotics in cache just disappeared

Uh

[meager fog]

Fast travel to NY or Brooklyn and back again

[livid mesa]

They're back tysm @meager fog

[meager fog]

It's just a visual bug, nothing went anywhere

[onyx sage]

sir, you're already a million times better than the average player

[lost wren]

gotcha
also as a frame of reference, the threshold for chc should just be 50 and then mod everything else for chd correct?

[violet juniper]

50 minimum

[subtle bluff]

CHC is always getting closest to CHC cap without going over.

[lost wren]

what about chd?

[subtle bluff]

what you said already.

[lost wren]

50 chc minimum, everything else into chd
got it

[meager fog]

As close to 60 as possible.

You should be around 51-55 normally if you're using Coyotes. 55+ if not.

[lost wren]

damn

a bit hard on striker memento

[violet juniper]

Focus on 50-53% percent

then build CHD.

[lost wren]

with st elmo's i can go for 57 chc 120 chd
or 51 chc 132 chd

with high end i can go 51 chc and 117 chd

[strong cave]

This is the better option

[lost wren]

elmo's > high end?

[strong cave]

57/120 more consistent

At that rate go EB I'd say

[sudden cloak]

Is this for solo legendary?

[lost wren]

solo legendary yes

[strong cave]

Elmo's

For DZ, EB. Assumed it was pvp based on the setup lmao

[lost wren]

nah i already have a pvp oriented one with ceska obliterate

[strong cave]

OH WAIT the chest. Duh 💀💀

[lost wren]

striker chest in the dz sounds like hell

[meager fog]

For Solo lego I would personally ditch the Memento.

You aren't going to be running around collecting trophies.

[strong cave]

Might just do it and make a video on it and see what kinda breakdowns people have

[magic pilot]

decoy stacking

[sudden cloak]

Elmos is usually best for solo legendary, i would however run 2 more red cores, your shield will still be at tier3, if you wanna go high end you could go like lex with killer

[lost wren]

without memento i'd just run all red
4 piece striker with bag and chest, 1 ceska, 1 grupo

[magic pilot]

coyotes is still ideal solo, but grupo is fine

[lost wren]

oh i can run coyote

[magic pilot]

people like @visual acorn like to run grupo because its more consistent

[lost wren]

i just thought that grupo might be more consistent at range

[magic pilot]

definitely is

[meager fog]

Full red can solo Lego if you're confident enough.

Or you can run a striker PFE improv build

[lost wren]

i already have good enough chc so grupo usually works better

[magic pilot]

chc can be redistributed easily

[livid mesa]

Oh and btw is striker good for pestilence?

[magic pilot]

yep!

[livid mesa]

Perfect

Boutta do the nastiest pesti build

[meager fog]

Stirker is fine for Pesti.

Unfortunately pestilence isn't amazing. But it's fine.

[livid mesa]

Never used the old pesti

[magic pilot]

its pretty good atm

[livid mesa]

I wanna taste it now that it's considered good

[lost wren]

?

55 chc 120 chd with elmo's

[magic pilot]

improvised not on mask slot

[livid mesa]

Keep in mind I've been playing since 2019

[lost wren]

oh?

[magic pilot]

you want it on holster, gloves, or knees

[meager fog]

Improv kneepads and holster is the norm

[magic pilot]

mask already has a mod slot

[livid mesa]

Also what's the best way to guarantee backbone

At least a high chance, not guaranteed

[lost wren]

oh right

[livid mesa]

Do I select lengmo or backpack loot on summit

[meager fog]

Lengmo gives a smaller loot pool

[livid mesa]

So backpack it is, got it

[lost wren]

39 pfe
55 chc
120 chd

[meager fog]

Nice

[magic pilot]

no target lengmo lol

[livid mesa]

Ok

[lost wren]

kind of wanted to use lexi but elmo's is much more forgiving with the crits

guess i'll stick with elmo

[meager fog]

Lexi is strong for sure, but the CC from Elmos helps alot solo

[lost wren]

it's more the chd

15 chd and 15 chc rather than needing to waste all mod slots on 15 chc for high end

[livid mesa]

Elmo is way too accurate, mix it up with the stand still talent from gunner and striker and you create a human sentry

[magic pilot]

or just run lex with killer, do more dps and have higher crit dmg

[shy willow]

Talents make up for it

[livid mesa]

Not to mention the best talent

[lost wren]

right yeah

[shy willow]

The shock ammo on Elmo is great but it doesn't improve damage

[lost wren]

still looking for another lexi with killer

[meager fog]

Not directly. But the spawn lock can be nice

[shy willow]

Just recalibrate one you already have

[violet juniper]

It comes god rolled so you can just swap the talent

[lost wren]

ik

i just haven't had any luck yet with the caches

[lost wren]

the 2 i have are for pvp builds

[sudden cloak]

Focus is a talent i like to run every now and then, pretty good as long as you don't mind the 8x scope

[lost wren]

also how come?
i see people like toastey use it a lot for solo leggo

[lost wren]

hell i think that this is the build that he showcases

[meager fog]

Ill put this as simply as I can.

You're not toasty.

[lost wren]

i'm not, i know

[dreamy valve]

How’s Elmo with OD? You get to use it with a shield at least?

[lost wren]

this was just something that i see him recommend for those who are newer to solo leggo

[sudden cloak]

I wouldn't use elmos with OD, but it probably does okay

[dreamy valve]

Self bored build idea: Elmo OD with blue cores, memento

[subtle bluff]

I don't know to say to him other than he's blocked me.

[sudden cloak]

Wowwww

[livid mesa]

Is there any other alternative for a backpack instead of backbone

That thing hurts to farm and I really mean it

Feels like I'm being spoon-fed radioactive rocks everytime I try to make a lmg build and that devil appears

[subtle bluff]

It's part of the Pesti build.

It's not that bad vs prefect unicorns like the chest you need for the build.

You seriously still haven't gotten it?

We'll have to fix that if we get a chance.

[sudden cloak]

I got like 4 in my stash I'd give you if I could lmao

That was my first ever unicorn I got from a loot pile, grupo double crit and obliterate

[glad heart]

Just know you are not alone on the Ceska chest rolled to be useful. It is the same for most everyone else, except the very lucky few. It is hard to come by. I got a really lucky drop not long ago (the second one I needed,) but it was 150 summit floors and a lot of frustration to get it.

I hear you. I might have kept it to, depending on if I could recal the wep damage, but everything else was correct if not maxed out. More important to have the right attributes than maxed values. Just sayin.

Because it is so hard to get, I would have recalled it, and run it while trying to get a better one. Would not have invested too much in the weapon damage. Keep at it, if in the summit, run heroic. it can happen for you:

[violet juniper]

Got lucky and didn't have to top mine up too much

talent was free to recalibrate

[glad heart]

I am overcapped on mats, so was nothing to top off the one I got, and change the talent.

[violet juniper]

I'm still looking for a perfect all red Belstone chest

[glad heart]

That is a unicorn piece, as Belstone rolls with a blue core, harder than the ceska chest, but just as hard as unicorn grupo piece with skill haste and skill damage.

[lost wren]

is the pfe mods here enough for leggo or master?
or should i try to add more?

[subtle bluff]

Do w/e works for you.

[lost wren]

hmm i guess i'll try

so many striker variants it's hard to choose

[lost wren]

surely one could make this work

right?

[subtle bluff]

the point of the meme is means you understand how stacking dmg's work

Saying random number like above with no context with it means very lil

weirder is just saying number

[livid mesa]

Fortunately I got it back then with some good people

[vestal ibex]

If you can't do one thing well, do two things not well.

[subtle bluff]

Sadly refactor does this better on both sides.

[smoky moss]

you don't "really" want to use Elmo with OD.. the shock rounds are overriden with bleed when you get hollow point rounds (you also lose the benefit of Elmo's talent when this happens so basically it's pointless to use it not ot mention you are missing out on a LOT of damage with Elmos with OD). You are much better off with Sadist (30% amplified damage to bleeding targets) on a good AR or Rifle (like SIG 716 or Lightweight M4) and Carnage with Perfect Sadist or Iron Lung as secondary for longer range engagements if you really want to use the shield. I personally use Chem Foam with Lightweight M4 + Carnage but you creativity can shine on how you want to proc status effects to get OD going.

[dreamy valve]

Huh, guess ill stick with lmgs

[loud pine]

lmgs having bigger mags is also why theyre really nice for OD, since it just gives you a full magazine of ammo

[dreamy valve]

Yeah I already have a Ironlung OD build centered around player support, so it seems like I have things already covered

[grizzled garnet]

Try out tinkerers mask if you get the chance

Sadist and pressure point

[dreamy valve]

That’s on my to do list yes

[subtle bluff]

Stop with him. He's being troll.

[meager fog]

2 PFE mods is fine. Strikers CAN handle lego with full red, but it takes practice and a really good driver.

[versed summit]

red PFE striker isn't doing anything tbh.

If you're in a group full red striker works fine, you just need teammates to share the aggro with and you can get through it pretty easily.

3 DPS and a healer is a good comp.

it's the same PFE as an improvised.

just in a different spot, and you're really losing more because you're taking total armor too

[meager fog]

You dont want Memento on lego tbh

Running around trying to collect trophies when everything can 2/3 tap you isnt a good idea

Pfe and Shield won't save you in legendary.

Tougher enemies, more ability spam.

White Tusk chunga carry stinger hives on their back for example. Rushers drop shock grenades

The drones spam on lego is unreal

[gentle lichen]

Think of it being between heroic and legendary

[meager fog]

Master is basically heroic except all enemies are elite and there are alot more of them

[gentle lichen]

Fairly sure the EHP is bumped up

[meager fog]

In terms of killing the enemies, master isnt much harder than heroic. They have slightly more hp, but they're still the same enemies.

In terms of tactics, you don't need to change much, just fire more bullets at them.

The reason Lego and White Tusk are significantly more difficult is the ability spam.

1 drone operator can wipe an entire team in seconds if you dont prioritise targets properly

[subtle bluff]

I was gonna rant about that guy blocked me but now he's being troll just makes me laugh inside.

[meager fog]

Which guy? Lol

[subtle bluff]

7 blue core guy.

Kind want to find his post.

[vernal pewter]

Deleted

[slow gust]

LMG striker build here, wondering if I should swap my striker chest with something else and replace my contractors gloves with striker bc I don’t hit max stacks often

Mask is tinkerer and the talents on my lmg’s are frenzy and measured

[subtle bluff]

Generally a Ceska w/Obliterate is better.
Getting past 135 stacks and keeping up there is harder to do.

[slow gust]

I just asked someone else and he said the exact same thing, I’ll try that, thank you

[light bobcat]

what is a meta build i can do ?

[fallen comet]

Striker is probably number 1

[fervent patio]

Heya Everyone!

I was wondering if y'all can give me any tips on my build? I went ahead and made an Heartbrake build and this is what I have at the moment! =)

Specialist is: Technician

Primary: Kingbreaker (15.0%ARD, 21.0%HD, 10%OFC)

Mods: Rugged Mini Reflex Sight (+5.0% CHC)

Sturdy Extended 7.62 Mag (+20 Rounds, -10.0% Reload Speed)

Linked Laser Pointer, (The one that highlights enemy when your ADSing)

Flash Hider 7.62, (10.0% CHD)

---

Secondary: Not gonna list it's stats or mods because it's the* Lefty; I needed the ACS-12.

---

HB Mask: 15.0% WD, 8.2% ER, (I didn't get the roll I needed for first minor attribute.) 12.0% PFE

HB Chest: 131K Armor, 6.0% CHC, 11.0% PFE

HB Holster: 170K Armor, 4.5% CHC

HB Backpack: 170K Armor, 6.0% CHC, 12.0% PFE

Fenris Gloves: +10.0% ARD, (from Brand)

11.0% WD, 9.5% CHD, 6.0% CHC

Fox's Prayer +10.0% RD, (The Rifle Damage doesn't help me here, lol.)

5.8% WD, 8% OFC, 12.0% CHD

My Skills Are:

Crusader Shield
&
Reviver Hive (Because I suck, lol.)

(I didn't mention my pistol because I'm looking for Orbit, and don't have it yet.)

Any feedback to make this build feel like I'm actually doing good would be highly appreciated. I can do challenging no problem now, but still have somewhat hard time in Heroic and higher.

Thank You In Advance.

[bright raptor]

replace backpack with Ceska critical chance, critical hit and Vigilance

replace gloves with Heartbreaker gloves

you're also going to be very underwhelmed by Kingbreaker's accuracy beyond point blank

[fervent patio]

So should I replace my Kingbraker, back to the Police M4 I was using? It wasn't as good as my Kingbreaker.

[bright raptor]

if you can aim you'll notice the difference

[fervent patio]

Damn, okay. Is there any guns you would recommend besides Kingbreaker and the Police M4?

[bright raptor]

any assault rifle with Flatline that isn't the AKs or TKB-408

high RPM and long underbarrel rail for linked laser pointer preferred

[fervent patio]

Okay, thank you for the advice! I truly appreciate it!

[light bobcat]

do u know any vid on yt

[fallen comet]

theres plenty out there so i cant just source one, but basically its 4 piece striker including a bag, Ceska chest and coyote's mask. all attributes are CHD, with some CHD on the chest. for weapon talents, strained and fast hands are popular

thats just one variation, some people like to replace the striker bag with memento

[livid mesa]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/OwWgzCBMIIxSAGRympehAuALANnXNDDBGmtGSpgKwSmzwyQUatk7bxIuW9s7VwyOH1EYcEFjzYzUmSAA4InGAjiDI+MPmABOfmMOZDs48dlUTqIA

I was thinking about this build I've done last night in my mind

Is it decent or is it good?

[worn elbow]

Striker there are a lot of variations of it tho blue core striker and all red striker other builds work well but striker is the best dps

[worn elbow]

Heartbreaker?

[livid mesa]

Yep

[worn elbow]

Here’s my set up works well you can use any other weapon you want tho

[livid mesa]

I'm using Lexington for the max stats

[hexed steppe]

You also need to replace foxs prayer, with hb knee. You'll either want coyote mask or a grupo piece to replace. This is on top of the already suggested ceska vigilance bag.

Heartbreaker is a crit starved build, and Foxs is only really good on builds with solid crit chance. You'll only want to use foxs in builds where it will be rolled crit damage. If you need chance in the build, then foxs is a downgrade.
Foxs fits better in negotiators, highend dps, rifle focused builds, or oxi setups

[worn elbow]

I was hoping for lex that would make it a lot better

[livid mesa]

I'm also going to use 3 reds and 3 blues

Due to the memento being a add-on

[worn elbow]

Ye I was farming for lex since it works well with this build

[fervent patio]

Okay. Thank you for the info!

[hexed steppe]

According to the tool, you'll only be running 36% crit chance. Adding chd rolls while your chance is so low is counter productive. Making any crit based build is gonna require you to push crit chance close to 50%. You need crits to utilize crit damage as a damage modifier.
An easy check is taking (chd x chc) for different variations. The product will be higher on optimal crit setups.

[livid mesa]

So i should use crit chance mods

Noted

[hexed steppe]

Likely yeah. Use that comparison method to quickly check which crit chance level will be ideal.

[hot prawn]

Hello what can I build with Chatterbox? Tryna rest from all the grinding lol. I want something with the memento 😄

[hexed steppe]

Go hunters fury

[livid mesa]

There's a hunter's fury build with memento for chatterbox

Trust me it's fun to XP farm

It's on ikia's channel

(goated content creator btw)

Search up ikia hunter's fury

You should see a short about it, just change the backpack to memento

[hot prawn]

Ok ok, i'll check that out. Thanks!!!

[hexed steppe]

There is a comprehensive pinned sheet with builds and info in this channel

[hot prawn]

currently looking in on that too thanks!

[rustic jackal]

Any tips for a returning player after 3 years? Managed to grab a set of ongoing directive, coyotes mask and carnage LMG, no good backpack options yet.. guessing ceska with damage talent?

Gunner spec? What about skills?

Red cores + CHC/CHD on everything?
What about mods, same again?

And carnage, is it worth me tinkering it, any idea on best stats to aim for on it?

Thanks very much in advance!

[patent fossil]

yeah ceska wicked is the usual pick for backpack, CHC on Carnage 3rd stat

[slow gust]

Is it possible to get a ceska chest with two red attributes?

[patent fossil]

only memento and ninjabag have multiple core stats (weapon damage/armor/skill tier), everything else has 1 core and one or two minor stats

well, Picaros and Kard Custom would be other exceptions to the rule

[scenic briar]

also gear set items only have one minor stat

[rustic jackal]

CHC* for third, what about other two, lmg damage and?.. sorry, very rusty at this game 😉

[patent fossil]

the other two are fixed, lmg damage and dtooc

[rustic jackal]

Ahh ok thanks

And how does the build survive, is it just being careful and armour on kill from gunner ?

[scenic briar]

I run my OD with the newer Exodus gloves. they drop a smoke bomb that forces you out of combat, which means you can regenerate about 40% armor, all on a 40-second cooldown

also instead of gunner I have survivalist, for the extra damage to status-affected enemies

I don't remember if it applies to yourself or not, but OD is meant for support anyway, so I want it to apply to teammates

[rustic jackal]

Cool thanks all, gives me some ideas on stuff to try

[hexed steppe]

yes, keep farming

[slow gust]

Bet thank you

[mellow flint]

how many blue cores should a build have

thank u chow

[livid mesa]

Is striker good for chatterbox

[worn elbow]

Yes

[livid mesa]

Now how many red cores does a build need

[mellow flint]

idk waltuh

[livid mesa]

Also what happened to your character

It just disappeared, gone, vaporized

[mellow flint]

idk if i should do any blue cores, i would like some survivability

[mellow flint]

cropped it out with the snap tool lole

[livid mesa]

Run defender drone to tank some or use decoy

You kill enemies before their brain even realize what happened

[hexed steppe]

ideally, 0. thats not carnage, right?

[mellow flint]

nope

[void steppe]

@hollow torrent

Shotgun/Rifle correct?

[hollow torrent]

Mhm.

[worn elbow]

Nah enemies are dead by the time you reload

[void steppe]

Considering how you tend to be, by rifle do you mean assault rifle or reg rifle

[hollow torrent]

regular

[void steppe]

Kk

[livid mesa]

Try using breakpoint

[void steppe]

Let me do a quick gea- or le Creatura gotcha

[hexed steppe]

good deal, solid combo then 🍻

[hollow torrent]

I may be stupid

Whats the breakpoint again?

[void steppe]

@hollow torrent wpuld youlike me to make youa build?

[hollow torrent]

pls

[void steppe]

K waych my pasta ib the kitchen

[hollow torrent]

its done alr

[void steppe]

@hollow torrentPvE or PvP

[hollow torrent]

PvE

[mellow flint]

like 800k per boolet

[hexed steppe]

really not a lot more you can do to improve survivability without hurting your damage. revive hive is best option that youre already using. i would say maybe an emp sticky in its place so you can stagger something and buy a couple seconds, but thats preference on my part

[mellow flint]

sounds good, thank u

[void steppe]

@hollow torrenthttps://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/AwWl7SOreAuATAFhAZkgRkgdgKxyEwKIEajag4BsRd48t5Il9bC1FIiLWeqxdkmzNWg8VCQ4AHFhSxqOevExoeGZAUzzttbVsRLi8CacZJQaS+oCcRE+zBA

[hexed steppe]

you dont want to use the nego chest. not worth the loss of a damage talent

nego bag is solid tho

[void steppe]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwRgtAzGAMbsNG2U1yBcwAslHzAOwCsapKGwsUO+AnLWYxgGy6zjlNnrPtgIc4RHJ1FpM4KHzEzxwAgA482VMwJN0ICAmokQK-a31753WeZ6YqVHQ1HpzSIA

[hexed steppe]

go with glass. itll be a lot more consistent for a crit based build

also, with nego you want to be close to crit cap for transfer purposes. diamondback will affect how your crit works with its talent, but youll want to be setup with solid chance for your secondary as well, especially with the holster utilizing weapon swaps in your setup.

[slender mirage]

Hey guys! I'm wondering whether damage received by my shield counts towards catharsis stacks, or does it specifically have to be me?

[lost wren]

with this build i'm able to get 55 chc and 105 chd on a high end weapon like lexi
is that bad? should i go for one more chd mod and go 50 chc and 115 chd? or is the former fine to use?

[quiet arrow]

guys why cant i expertise this???????????????????

[patent fossil]

need to increase your global expertise level further

by gaining proficiency in more different items

[quiet arrow]

oh so if i equip some random junk and grind with it i can upgrade my lexington?

[solar sable]

or donate junk

[patent fossil]

yeah, pretty much - to get to max expertise (30) you need to be fully proficient in almost every item/category listed in the expertise table

it's a long grind

[quiet arrow]

wait so when on the top of the screen it says "proficient x-45 tactical" thats what u have to do?

i mean thats how u know ur doing it right

[solar sable]

yup

[quiet arrow]

oh alr tysm u 2

[solar sable]

or Proficiency Level Up - (item)

[meager fog]

Blue cores don't add survivability in high difficulties.

Survivability comes from YOUR play, not having a tiny bit of extra armour.

Enemies will shred through 6 blue cores worth of armour in seconds.

[livid mesa]

Thing for rifles

[onyx sage]

it counts

[hexed steppe]

With striker you should be able to get close to 50/150

[lost wren]

this is the build i'm referencing
with 3 pfe

[hexed steppe]

Why pfe? It wont do you much good while you also nerf your damage

[lost wren]

i thought pfe was decent to have for solo leggo

[hexed steppe]

@onyx sage , you ever use pfe in your leg solos?

[onyx sage]

no

[hexed steppe]

If you weren't cutting your crit down 36% it may be justifiable, but you're trading damage for a security blanket

[hearty owl]

its not even the mods themselves its the fact that you’ve replaced 2 brandsets with improvised pieces to run them. Gearsets are already starved of stats since one minor slot

[hexed steppe]

First purple mini tank gonna have you kissing the floor

[lost wren]

yeah i noticed

which would be better then
1 ceska 1 grupo, or 1 ceska and coyote

replacing the improvised gear ofc

[hearty owl]

youre gonna start ww3 with that question but it really doesn’t matter. I’d expect you to play mid and long range for solo stuff

[lost wren]

oh boy

[hearty owl]

so coyotes is fine

someones gonna come in here and say one is better than the other, always happens

[hexed steppe]

Either better than pfe in that setup

[hearty owl]

reality is that it dont rlly matter if you play it right. Grupo is more consistent since you dont need to maintain range

[lost wren]

ye i do like grupo

i get 57 chc with my ar anyway so the extra chc i might get from coyote won't help too much

[hearty owl]

57 is good yea

[lost wren]

i run smg 9 with unwavering or apartment as a secondary
what mods should i run on the apartment? already reach chc cap

[magic pilot]

Ew coyotes solo 🤢

[onyx sage]

wtf

[hearty owl]

the sticker bypass is crazy

[patent fossil]

crazy annoying

[hearty owl]

im not tryna get banned tho!! haha…. gulp

[patent fossil]

no worries, just please don't make a habit of it

[lost wren]

?

[patent fossil]

big mag, then whatever you like - if you feel like you'd benefit from increased stability or accuracy use those, otherwise CHD.

[lost wren]

gotcha

[fading escarp]

hey all, got a quick question, i was just in a countdown game where i was hitting 4mil per bullet while using an LMG. I've NEVER hit that hard before and as far as i know there wasnt anything out of the ordinary, is this a bug or am i missing something?

here's the build and damage numbers i was seeing:

[lost wren]

probably some of the directives there
they give quite a lot

[lost wren]

oh and st elmo's or lexi measured? for main ar

[patent fossil]

Lexi for more damage or Elmo for larger mag, lower ammo consumption and occasional shock. Both will do fine, it's your preference.

[patent fossil]

One of the countdown countermeasures, the 'short range damage' one, gives amp damage that scales up as more players are in short range of the target, giving a pretty massive damage boost in most cases.

[magic pilot]

Yea that silhouette icon is the close range buff

[hoary valve]

what build is best for the ouroboros in conflict

i ran striker and i was thinking to myself that would't be the best build due to can't build up striker stacks that often

[rich dune]

Whats the best healer build for legendary and master missions

[obtuse crystal]

Future initiative

[rich dune]

Got a pic of wa u run for it or

[obtuse crystal]

Yes one is tech one is survivalist honestly survivalist would probably be better for legendary

[rich dune]

Thanks mate

[violet juniper]

I will always be biased towards Birdie bag over setup/datagloves

[obtuse crystal]

But oc

[violet juniper]

birdie gives OC on a revive

yeah it's not OC on demand, I just love birdie bag

I think it's the lil camera thing on the bag itself that makes me like it

I run this, but with a Hana-U/Empathic Resolve chest

Oh and sometimes Scorpio

[gentle lichen]

With tech and kard you can run 2 blues if you want though it's more pvp centered

Instead for pve i'd say survivalist is better

[shy willow]

Tech FI is just for scenarios where you want faraday

[gentle lichen]

Outgoing healing + fire nade which can boost damage thro spec bonus and sledgehammer

[violet juniper]

I just realized the ss is outdated. I couldn't be assed to farm for a good Hana-U chest so I just took the first one that had 20% repair skills and slapped survivalist on

[civic grotto]

Hello, i recently made a LMG build using tinkerer with a RPK for PVP. It uses companion, flatline, spotter and Unhinged for the second weapon talent, totaling 63% dmg from all talents. For some reason this build does not replicate the amount of dmg it says it puts out. Can anyone help me out? i can even send a pic of the build if that would help. Seeing that it gives 63% dmg from all those talents im thinking im gonna go around deleting people but thats not the case at all.

[subtle bluff]

The slow RPM of RPK isn't great.

[civic grotto]

slow rpm but dmg output should be a lot more then advertised

[solar sable]

I think you don't know how maths in this game work or what are these "amps/multipliers" and how they behave

[civic grotto]

maybe i don’t only 1300shd lol

[solar sable]

You don't just sum everything into one specific number
It's all about equations.
SHD level doesn't mean anything, nor what your knowledge level is. Not trying to be rude but that's not something to flex either way

Some dmg buffs are TWD, WD or their own amp or whatever it is

I'll let Chow break it down for you

[subtle bluff]

It's PvP it's much different than PvE

[gentle lichen]

a build i saw was a gr9 frenzy + measured which honestly was quite busted but would take a long time to get the frenzy to work in your favour

but in your case it's probably going to also depend on your red/blue split and what kind of brands you use

[subtle bluff]

But he's asking about PvP... Not PvE build..

[gentle lichen]

mmhm i know

lmg multiplier isn't even that bad iirc so the platfrom is quite viable

though i'd personally stick to iron lung umbra which is quite powerful in itself

@civic grotto a picture of the build would be appreciated to pick it apart

[civic grotto]

@gentle lichen

[gentle lichen]

uhhh so you have a fenris

and picaro and W&H bag are bad

you basically have no crits on this

[civic grotto]

38chc 122chd

[hoary valve]

what build is best for the ouroboros in conflict
i ran striker and i was thinking to myself that would't be the best build due to can't build up striker stacks that often

[gentle lichen]

bad you need chc at 50%+ and chd as high as you can get

also consider lengmo and ceska/grupo in that build

the only piece i'd say to not change is obviously the contractor's

[hoary valve]

gloves

nah keep it

[gentle lichen]

i don't use smgs in conflict but prolly a high end would work kinda

[hoary valve]

what build use then

[gentle lichen]

unbreakable 4 blues and companion should be well enough

[hoary valve]

contractor's gloves are good for lengmo build i don't see anything wrong with it

[gentle lichen]

yes to not change as in keep

[civic grotto]

so more chd and chc is better then the 10% dmg with picaros and the 8% dmg ttooc on fox’s

[hoary valve]

what build do i use

[gentle lichen]

picaro is additive and foxes' is decent but if it messes with your crits too much drop it

[gentle lichen]

not around my system rn but the pinned sheet should have one

[hoary valve]

bruh

[shy willow]

Just check pins smh

[civic grotto]

do you think measured as my second talent would be better then unhinged

can i even get measured on lmgs

[hoary valve]

doesn't make any difference due to it might be outdated stuff

[shy willow]

The sheet is updated regularly lol

[gentle lichen]

not a tinkerer technician but if you can get that damage back sure

[shy willow]

The meta just rarely shifts so effective builds never go old

The only one I can think of that really got blasted was tip of the spear

[gentle lichen]

oh god the pvp section's colors are inverted

what a woozy

@civic grotto throw your weapons and tinkerer on this setup and you should be good

[shy willow]

I think that might just be your device

[civic grotto]

thanks i will try out

[hoary valve]

my eye's hurt when i saw this

[shy willow]

Fine on my end

[civic grotto]

can’t use pesti with tinkerer

[gentle lichen]

@hoary valve use this but coyote's to remediate the chd drop and work on chc too for conflict

[hoary valve]

my eye's

[gentle lichen]

oh i have dark reader my bad

[lofty frigate]

What the hell happened to the screen

[hoary valve]

instead of dark mode it's light mode

[gentle lichen]

yeah like i said throw your weapons/talents and tinkerer but keep everything else

and work on crits accordingly

[hoary valve]

dude my eye's

[gentle lichen]

hope i didnt hurt them too much pookie

[magic pilot]

Like NB said lengmo is the way to go for any lmg PvP build

[livid mesa]

6 piece lengmo with smg

[hoary valve]

isn't lengmo for lmg?

[magic pilot]

Yes he's trolling

[livid mesa]

Correct

[magic pilot]

I'd just avoid SMGs in conflict rn

Backfire and chatter are the only decent options and they are not great in conflict

[gentle lichen]

run a pistol so you can 2 shot melee players 👍

[magic pilot]

Even crit reg is nuts rn

[livid mesa]

Regulus my beloved

[gentle lichen]

it's way too much man

[subtle bluff]

our eyes...

[livid mesa]

The first dz player to get hit by this is getting absolutely blasted back to division 1 beta test

[gentle lichen]

unfortunately due to the nature of crits and hsd interacting with shields the new auto pistol could counter reg

[magic pilot]

Wdym

[livid mesa]

Unless you pull your inner arthur Morgan and shoot them first

[gentle lichen]

both players pull out shields and start shooting
crits will break it faster and even if you break theirs thatll just boost their damage too

doesnt it also remove disorient on break? that's too much

[magic pilot]

Yea but if you are more than 5 feet away that auto pistol isn't hitting shit

[magic pilot]

No I don't think so, was a suggestion

[gentle lichen]

yeah it'll be like shotguns vs pistol
if they get close it's joeover

[magic pilot]

I heard the horizontal recoil is pretty rough even on pc

[gentle lichen]

huh so no >20m kills for them

[lost wren]

what the hell happened to your colors lol

[gentle lichen]

i have dark reader extension

[magic pilot]

I use the same thing but it doesn't work for Google

[gentle lichen]

google docs is now in my not-invert site list

[magic pilot]

Yea for me it just made the google doc completely black

[lost wren]

i just have an actual dark mode extention

[magic pilot]

Like I couldn't read text at all

[lost wren]

doesn't work for docs though i need to try and change that

[magic pilot]

Docs blocks it

[lost wren]

rip

[magic pilot]

I've tried to use a few nothing worked so far

[gentle lichen]

it actually made it work but cause it's invert it would be janky with anything other than white/black

[teal briar]

I need to know the names of these guns and the backpack

[astral elm]

BIS attribute for Pakhan? Firerate right?

[teal briar]

@hazy steeple

[magic pilot]

Chc

[magic pilot]

Why are you pinging the mod for this

[solar sable]

there was absolutely no need to ping Rivens

Left: The Mop/SIX12
Right: Backfire

[teal briar]

I pinged them cause they told me to go to this channel and they know more about the build than I do

[faint nebula]

will vindictive trigger from the linked laser pointers pulse?

[teal briar]

Thank you

[magic pilot]

No pulse is not a status

[teal briar]

How do I get the backfire, it was a season exclusive

[solar sable]

no, just SMG TL

[teal briar]

Do you know the backpacks name?

[shy willow]

Memento

[faint nebula]

what is the best way to trigger ongoing directive? skills? talent?

[gentle lichen]

innate status from some weapons like iron lung

but if you wanna use another exotic sure something like a sticky or jammer can work

[faint nebula]

trying to put a tinkerer build together so named weapons and exotics are out sadly. think im going to just try seeker mines

[gentle lichen]

unreliable imo go for emp sticky

[faint nebula]

works well. thanks

[onyx sage]

riot foam

[magic pilot]

Banshee pulse imo

I usually run gunner, if I run survivalist I can use fire nades

[lucid basin]

Is there a Google doc or anything somewhere that I can see builds on?

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages

[trim totem]

Hey guys, I just hit level 40 and am looking for a good AR build without exos, as I'm just starting out. It would be great if someone could send me something.

Hallo Jungs, ich bin gerade frisch Level 40 geworden und suche nach einem gutem AR Build ohne Exos, da ich erst angefangen habe. Wäre nett, wenn mir jemand etwas schicken könnte.

[patent fossil]

There's a spreadsheet linked in the pinned messages with a collection of good build guides. Striker is the most popular and generally versatile, so a good place to start.
Please note the main discussion channels here are English only.

[fair ridge]

what's the go-to AR for tinkerer builds?

carbine 7? police m4/replica?

[subtle bluff]

the 2nd weapon doesn't matter

[fair ridge]

I know, obviously asking about primary 🙂

[subtle bluff]

most AR are fine

[fervent patio]

I have a question.

Would it be possible for me to send my account information to a trusted user to help me make a build with pestilence or is BulletKing?

I feel like no matter what build I do in the Gdoc, or online I still can only barely handle challenging and heroic.

I've been playing non-stop since I came back trying my best to farm CD, Summit, even a bit of DZ, (even though I don't like doing DZ). But I am having such a hard time with making a build.

I had to drop back to hard, because how much trouble I'm having.

But, yeah. Send my account information to a trusted individual, or have someone play with me in a dc vc and give me tips about the game.

[patent fossil]

I would recommend against giving someone your login, we can't take responsibility for anything that occurs outside this discord. Grouping up and joining a voice chat (on another discord server since we don't have any voice rooms here) would be fine though.

[fervent patio]

I'm currently looking for Dark winter, and people are saying you can only get it in dz, and then others say you can get it in CD, Summit, and now open world.

[fervent patio]

And yeah, I don't necessarily like the idea of giving my information neither. But thought I would ask.

And I'm also aware of that, what I do; and whatever happens is strictly on me.

No-one to blame but myself, lol.

[fervent patio]

Also, if you don't mind me asking, why dose this dcs not have vc channels?

[patent fossil]

You can't get dark winter in CD, summit or open world. You can get it from named item caches (bought with countdown credits). It can also drop from manhunt bosses but that's rare and not a reliable farm. It might occasionally be sold by the DZ vendors or the countdown shop.

[fervent patio]

Ohhh, okay. I was told it was on sell in the dz vendor a few months ago.

[patent fossil]

We used to, but an order came down from ubisoft that they might prove a legal risk since we can't really moderate what happens in them, so they were removed. Most people use the community server or GCRock or their own clan servers for voice channels.

[fervent patio]

And they also said a Manhunt with a named bossed called Auntie has a better chance of dropping it on a solo run but can't find her.

And oh, okay. That makes sense.

[patent fossil]

The name Auntie doesn't ring a bell, TBH. I think I got one from the Schaeffer manhunt once, but I'm not 100% certain on that.

[fervent patio]

Ah, okay. I'll look into it after the Faye Lau Manhunt I'm doing.

One more question.

Is there a place I can go to; to find a group of people I can play with regularly? I mainly play solo or with my Uncle, so it would be nice to find someone who doesn't mind helping/teaching us since we're returning players and still pretty weak.

[patent fossil]

the obvious answer would be to join a clan - see #td2-clan-recruitment for some possibilities

[fervent patio]

Alright, thank you.

[subtle bluff]

I’m gonna mention by number a Tac Vector 9mm w/Killer is better than Dark Winter.

[fervent patio]

How so? I honestly was just trying to get the Dark Winter for the perfect Killer Talent.

[subtle bluff]

Math says so

[spare harness]

Does anyone have an screenshot of the “optimal” dps build for paradise lost?

[fervent patio]

Ah, okay. I'll be on the lookout for that then.

[subtle bluff]

It’s not hard. 4pc Striker Chest and BP. ACS12 check my bio

[subtle bluff]

The base weapons is higher WD and RPM just lower mag size

[fervent patio]

Ah, okay.

[spare harness]

Oh sweet tysm

[fading escarp]

is there a big difference between the AK, black market AK and the military AK..?

[hearty light]

hi sr for polish language on the scr but i have a question
im back after a year long break and i was wondering about my builds... is this any good rn?

[stone sequoia]

I will say that in Polish - według mnie w porządku, ja osobiście mam tylko klatkę z Ceska Vyroba, a maskę od strzelca 😄 ale tak też jest w porządku. Fachowość tylko w sumie nabijasz i optymalizujesz do fulla i git 😄

[jaunty citrus]

So I'm running an ongoing directive tinker mask lmg build. I have it 99% built. The only thing I'm not 100% on is the 3rd attribute for the lmg. I'm currently running DTA, and am wondering if that's best?

[scenic briar]

generally CHC

[jaunty citrus]

OK, really don't run LMG builds so wasn't sure what best in slot would be. Ty

[cloud raptor]

What’s a good talent to put on the Lexington

[peak moss]

Building a ND build

Do I stack crit chance on the gear pieces or crit damage?

Struggling to figure out how I’m gonna get a high crit damage base

[meager fog]

Theres a build on the spreadsheet

[meager fog]

Strikers chest is poor for most content due to being unable to keep stacks up.

THis is the basic build

[peak moss]

Yeah the link to the builds on the spreadsheet is just taking me to the change log

[meager fog]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12H7fXKjs_LDpe4AKuwIDWKgDfb12gAp9Vicv8K3fIQM/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.h4qx8ihvpmun

[peak moss]

Sound

Looks like running the ND backpack isn’t optimal?

Or just preference

[hexed steppe]

you want nego bag

this is a typical setup. crit chance mods on weapon and secondary rolls on highend/exo . all else should be chd

you may need to use a roll or mod of CHC depending on watch level.

preference has me still riding close to crit cap, but you can be closer to 50 if running coyote

[bright raptor]

yeah was gonna say that you stack crit chance on your weapon, unless it's an exotic that lacks crit mods or other sources of crit stars

[hexed steppe]

basically nego is ideal for multitarget damage. the bag is what helps it be top multitarget dps. without the bag, you may as well run strikers

[peak moss]

When I log back on later I need to get the kneepads. But aside from That I’m sitting at 60% chc on both weapons and 180-170% chd on both weapons

But I opted to run a grupo mask for that extra chd and I’ve never really used the coyotes

[lost wren]

killer, measured, strained, optimist, ranger

the best 5 for pve stuff

[hearty light]

Is this new dlc worth buying?

[cerulean smelt]

depends on you. can you go without smart cover and Huntsman rifle?

[hearty light]

Yeah, i think so
Can i expect some "cool" new stuff? Or change in gameplay dynamics?

[onyx sage]

there's no change in gameplay

[hearty light]

New equipment thats better than one before the dlc realese?

Ah sr i forgot its chat for builds etc

[cerulean smelt]

oh forgot, 1 exotic mask as well

[livid mesa]

Real note I don't know how people run all red builds

Can't run one without being eaten alive by 2 bullets from a normal enemy

I usually only run all red when it's an one shot

Seriously it's bugging me out

[hearty light]

Yeah could someone share a good tank build? With high rate of fire weapons or something like that

[livid mesa]

I'm running a striker dark winter rn

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say none exists honestly, but get creative and figure one out

[hearty light]

just want to compare

I have this one

[livid mesa]

That's actually a good one

If you plan on running SMG you can place hunter's fury in heartbreaker

And use a sokolov chest

This is my current build btw

The quality's shit for some reason

I'm doing a hunter's fury build soon

[novel ember]

guys im trying to clean my stash its full so do i need to keep these ??

[patent fossil]

nope

[novel ember]

you sure mate

[cerulean smelt]

there's a pin for gear in the spreadsheet up in the right hand corner, think those are pve drops anyways

[novel ember]

how about these

[novel ember]

i can get an idea which items i should keep you mean ?

[cerulean smelt]

something like that, like i kept a few pvp only items that i feel i can use while most everything else is turned into materials

[novel ember]

this sheet is just for explaining every item mate not for recommendations

and we can know this just from the game

[cerulean smelt]

look at the named weapons/gears section and look at the talents and decide can i use that or can i get it again without needing pvp?

[novel ember]

now for these i think its not worth to keep

[patent fossil]

if you look through build guides in the pinned spreadsheet, that'll give you an idea of which brands, stats, talents are actually useful - then you can ditch everything else.

[novel ember]

i can see ya i know most of them actually

[cerulean smelt]

the way i go through it
does this piece look like i can use in an off build that's not on the build sheet? i'll keep it if it's decent to try otherwise i crunch it into nothingness or a little bit materials i've used to craft some other things

[novel ember]

ya

[patent fossil]

the main unicorn type stuff to watch out for is double-yellow The Sacrifice, double-yellow grupo, hsd/handling habsburg, and double-crit lengmo

[cerulean smelt]

for me still need to find the double crit palasades/arca buz pieces but i'm not in a super hurry to finish that build

i always want to curse localdeck for showing me the ways of memento (> <)

[grizzled garnet]

🤔 1 striker memento backfire build pls 🙏

Like what stats, free slot and cores

My guess is a grupo chest with obliterate

Full blue cores and chd

[solar sable]

IMHO just take the standard setup and swap Coyote's for Strikers and bag for Memento lol

Keep it to crits and just ONE blue
I'm allergic

[cerulean smelt]

i couldn't do that in PTS since no build for it already and ceska was being a pain, so i just used a ceska mask i had with grupo chest and yeah, wasn't fun honestly. failed most retaliations but 1 on normal 😭

Retaliation is extremely time limited, so more blues probably means a lot more failures since it'll take you that much longer to clear control points and then you play running simulator to the next control point

Retaliation: once you fill a factions gauge you'll be notified if them retaliating which you get hours to respond.
Once you respond to it your time drops to like 7ish minutes to finish the whole thing, you still do a small jog when leaving the safe houses so you lose a few seconds just from that

[naive horizon]

My dz build is complete

[lost wren]

79% hazpro?
check to see if you have modifiers on

[livid mesa]

So about this build I found, should I use two or three stamina cores (yes I love saying this now) or keep the firepower ones

(from spreadsheet btw

[cerulean smelt]

well, you'll be in their face mostly and they'll be disoriented mostly so probably don't need to change, but try it out and find your balance

[livid mesa]

K

[cerulean smelt]

i almost went with this build but with catalyst mask

[livid mesa]

I'm going with two blues

The memento should help me with 3 blues and 4 reds

[meager fog]

Just to add: Taking red cores off means you're spending longer in close proximity to enemies that hurt. ALOT.

The faster they die, the better

[livid mesa]

You'll have the resistance of a paper bag tho

[cerulean smelt]

hunter's fury (HF) has a built in armor/health on kill so the faster you kill the longer you live (> <)

[meager fog]

Blue cores don't help. An extra 170k armour when enemies can shred over 500k per hit isnt doing anything.

[livid mesa]

It helps tank a little bit before you go down tho

Giving a few seconds to get out of there

[cerulean smelt]

ohhhh 🤔 i might need a hunter's fury build for next season too

but i'll see how strikers feel until the last week

[livid mesa]

If you get overwhelmed by enemies you can kill one (if possible) and get out to recover

[meager fog]

Its not going to do anything. Unless you're playing low diff

And if you are, a full red build will shred anyway so it would be pointless.

[livid mesa]

There's some points to why I disagree with running a full red 24/7

[meager fog]

Which is?

[livid mesa]

Not to mention I'm not that good at going full machine guns in red

I usually run all red on one shot builds since it's safer

Also memento will buff me overtime

As long as I got those delicious and scrumptious stacks

I'm going to lose my shit

It's only dropping HF chest and backpack

[cerulean smelt]

it's a sign

[hazy steeple]

a sign to "Have Fun"?

[livid mesa]

Finally mask dropped:D

THIS IS SO GREAT WITH 3 BLUES

I'M ADDICTED NOW DUDE

the tasty 1 million because of backfire and memento + HF

Already did

it's 333% crit hit

Oh my this is so great

Ik I'm talking about the backfire one

Dude it looks like I'm on steroids

Just need the TOC bonus

[stark flicker]

ik p determined doesn't work the same way as regular determined but if it did would this be better than running a backpack with a damage boosting talent? https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwBgtMDsYMwbZxMS5bEC4CsXXzsDOsgEx5oYAsZcl+EIx5zIGJut8T35GUCdYC2HFsAriMmseMjDJFsAbLkGgwdcIo0s+cqZnlIgA

[hexed steppe]

that should be fine. its good to be right at 60% crit chance cap, but double check that you arent over the cap. its easy to go overcap with nego.

[hexed steppe]

it doesnt tho, and it wouldnt matter either way. ninja bike is always a huge cut in your damage potential

[stark flicker]

"Ik p determined doesn't work the same way regular determined does"

[hexed steppe]

read the second part

[stark flicker]

I just don't really see any talent aside from maybe uf being useful

like maybe the gift could be useful ig

[subtle bluff]

why are you mixing Crit and HSD?

[stark flicker]

p determined guarantees a critical headshot

[onyx sage]

the weapons it's on are very dog

and also headhunter just doesn't care about crit that much for it to be worth it over weapon handling

so even if it's on like a m700 it would still be worse

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't boost your dmg much more.

Here you looks and see the difference between the builds and the dmg..
These aren't good builds. These builds are just for showing stats.

[onyx sage]

it's not just that, the headhunter bonus doesn't scale from hsd or crit or dttooc, only your actual bullet damage

[stark flicker]

damn

[past ridge]

I'm looking to start a basic striker build. What's the usual talent on the ACS-12 for efficient stacking ?

[subtle bluff]

You don't need to pre-stack if it doesn't seem safe to. It's is useful to but isn't needed.
For BiS imo for ACS12 as follows:
For DPS DTTooC & Brazen
For Pure stacking Lefty double RoF
For Stacking with Chest Rock n Roll.

[past ridge]

Thank you !

[subtle bluff]

It's wrong in-game

[tidal coyote]

Hey y’all, coming back from a long break does anyone know of someone/thing to look up to rework my builds I’m kinda lacking compared to others.
I mostly run Healer
Skill build drone and turret
Striker St Elmo and Lefty full red.

Oh, okay I just feel like I’m lagging behind others in runs.

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > GDoc > Build Hub most of the builds are there

adding from what was said above.
FI still best of the support builds.
Refactor is the gearset that hybrids Skill Dmg to healing.

[hoary valve]

what is the best big horn build for conflict because i can't find shit online

[strong cave]

3 Golan, everyday carrier, catharsis mask, emperors guard kneepads. Everything rolled for either hazpro and hsd or Regen and hsd. If you wanna be a scumbag, run hazpro and regen

[subtle bluff]

Switch Fenris to Ceska and you'll sqezee out more dmg and be more versatile with your builds.

Dunno what you mean by Default is 26 CHC.

Oh woah.

[onyx sage]

7 skill tier shield bro

free overcharge right?

[subtle bluff]

well is he using the shield with streamline?

[onyx sage]

💀

no i mean you're using a shield which doesn't work with streamline

[subtle bluff]

Let's discuss....

[strong cave]

They may just have it there as a placeholder

[onyx sage]

i mean then you'd just use something else but then why use 6 blues if not for shield

[strong cave]

"oh shit I'm about to die, I need to pop my shield"

[subtle bluff]

Better is not getting shot at.

[onyx sage]

"free damage" when no 6 red

[subtle bluff]

Let's just do more dmg instead.

I'm a very good bot

[strong cave]

To be fair, the build could be significantly better. This is a build advice channel and posting here, you're accepting the fact that people will pick the build apart. It's not to say your build is bad, they already said that ceska would overall improve your DPS. But to improve it more, run something else and don't try to face tank everything

[onyx sage]

if you can give advice, you can take advice

[subtle bluff]

Here I'll take a challenge if you want a different video give me a CP to take and I'll take a normal striker build to it

or heck I haven't done a OD build.

[strong cave]

Pistols are pure ass in this game (exception of Busy Little Bee, Kard TDI, Regulus and Harvest). Relying on orbit for crits is a huge crutch and relying on so many blues as well just to face tank is another crutch. Sometimes you won't have the benefits of picking up trophies, and if you find yourself in an emergency and can't deal damage, you will die

It's poor math for a build. This game is called "The Division" after all

[subtle bluff]

To be fair not much is gonna look like more dmg when you have all blue cores.

[strong cave]

Don't post a build then if you don't want advice on it 💁‍♀️ that's how this channel works lol. For 4.5k hours, you should know for sure Ceska > Fenris because at those hours, you should know the math behind everything. If you're not crittin', you're not hittin', even if you take strikers and memento

I have only half your hours and know Ceska > Fenris. And I'm SHD 16.7k

[subtle bluff]

But also my comment is being more versatile with Cheska versus Fenis for farming wise.

It's you shoujldn't need that many bluecores

[strong cave]

As for chow and average player being "bots", they're not. These guys LEAD the community here with math and good advice. They know their shit.

[subtle bluff]

If I only had a strikers with blue to make a compares video.

We made guides that show one way but have many different options of what you can do. So idk what you're getting at there.

[strong cave]

What you're posting is the same exact striker build as St Elmo's/Striker lol. All you did was swap for blues and rolled on memento instead and swapped to Lexington, which Lexington is basically the same gun

[subtle bluff]

We don't just show off builds. We take or time to craft guides to help explain and show either quickly how it can be built or done.

We do not force anyone to do anything here we advice and try to explain a better path for end game.

Why do you think I show it?

[strong cave]

Damn he's mad bc we said Ceska > Fenris and gave advice on a build advice channel. Takes me back to the days when I argued with Raucey

[subtle bluff]

To purely show off?

[onyx sage]

i still remember, kudos to you for coming back

[subtle bluff]

As you said we only show full red builds with elmo... The video isn't normal strikers with elmos and showing what the upper limit of a different kind of red strikers and gameplay can do.

[strong cave]

Negl I liked unique builds back then. It was fun to run stuff different from the meta. But then I realized that mathematically, it's just what's most efficient because this game has a gear issue that goes horizontally in terms of usefulness not vertically

[onyx sage]

just to clarify, there are 2 kinds of players in question here:

• players who are struggling and need solid advice to get through hard content
• players who already can clear hard content but bored and want something new

the 2nd crowd isn't gonna come to this channel. you're giving advice for the 2nd crowd

[subtle bluff]

I make clips and show them because it shows way more than typing up the chat trying to explain stuff. Proof is in the video.

[strong cave]

KVD smashing his keyboard rn bc it wasn't a 1 hour breakdown:

I corner peek tyvm lol. Shield ain't needed. Decoy the GOAT

[onyx sage]

i literally solo all legendaries without using shield and full red, cover becomes a necessity because it's what defines this game

we give advice to players who struggle and our advice just works

if they want something new it's when they already did the content they struggle and have the experience to run something they come up with themselves

good on you for assuming we all play with elmo and shield but you're wrong there

we play regulus headhunter when free roaming, striker sucks in free roaming lol

if you want to go there regarding free roaming meta

[strong cave]

Why need that for free roam tho lol. I run IA harvester determined which gives me extra threat level btw

[shy willow]

Free roam meta wtf

[onyx sage]

well yeah, break helmet just click again

[shy willow]

Yes, actually

Hyena rushers are incredibly weak

[onyx sage]

chunga helmet? just use m870.

idk what you're trying to prove here lol. we're all good players here

[strong cave]

Smart players know to target those with helmets first, break it, hit again

[shy willow]

Marauders only have scripted appearances, and in the open world you can see them coming from 5 miles off

[onyx sage]

if you aggro the quadcopter in open world it's just skill issue. it's not worth killing it at all

tbf it doesn't but you have no reason to engage it

[strong cave]

Begs the question: how would they keep memento stacks against a quad coptor? Bc at that rate a full red would be more favorable and using EMP sticky will be crucial

[onyx sage]

just have hh stack and one shot leg

[strong cave]

That's why you save a few ads for stacks

[shy willow]

Jamie pull up that video of Toni one shotting the pentagon marauder

[strong cave]

Do people not target prioritize??

[subtle bluff]

Again give me a CP to take and I'll make you a clip of that.

[shy willow]

0/10 ragebait it's not real content😔

[gentle lichen]

We got ragebaiting in build advice

[strong cave]

🗣️

[onyx sage]

let me just cut my zoo clip to prove my point

[subtle bluff]

We have leggo one of that but the double marauders 😄

[strong cave]

Please do. I need to be reminded of my old days. I feel embarrassed to be reminded to myself I argued with Raucey over something as stupid as True Patriot 💀😂

Red true patriot in countdown is such a chef's kiss. I'll die on that hill

[shy willow]

😬

[strong cave]

It was a fun build I made when I was just getting into the game. Learned the hard way how cutthroat this channel was. I got triggered like a snowflake and left

[strong cave]

Hey when you get that bored, you make stupid builds. To make matters worse I run it with chameleon lol

[gentle lichen]

I remember posting a capacitor ninjabike build for pvp here and was flamed for it too
Though it was before buffs so now it's everywhere

[strong cave]

Yeah idiots can't tell the difference between a PvE build and PVP build

[onyx sage]

both players running regulus headhunter

[subtle bluff]

GIVE ME A CP to clear.

Ok

[onyx sage]

ok

[subtle bluff]

Damnit a race

[gentle lichen]

If you want a beginner friendly no skill build go for 4 hotshot hh and vigi with a determined sniper
Hell it even counters that which does not have heads

[strong cave]

That's so easy tho. Give him a hard one. Like, Hyena CP's

[subtle bluff]

oh you do Striker Dein I'll do OD