td2-build-advice

[subtle bluff]

you just need to kill everything

[signal escarp]

yeah ok. Any thoughts on what exotic gear piece to run if any?

[subtle bluff]

Exotics/Named Weapons/Gear aren't always the best nor is needed for every build.

[signal escarp]

hence the reason I'm asking. 🙂

[half cosmos]

hello i am asking i just got tinkerer today and i think its a UI bug but say i have 2 carbine 9s 1 has killer 2 has strained

only 1st carbine will get benifit of both killer and strained? or when i swap to 2nd that too will get the benifit of killer?

[subtle bluff]

Like the talents says the primary

[half cosmos]

ok so only 1st gun will get benefit also is it a UI bug that the UI indicating strained has not proced on the primary gun or something?

what would you suggest are good tallents for weps? using with negotiator

[hushed gorge]

is my pistol build alright?

Cloak reduces my aggro partially

[subtle bluff]

solo agro doesn't matter

[rich lotus]

I used this explosive res skill dmg build

We had one Future,one vanguard,one all red guy 😁

[subtle bluff]

😶

[rich lotus]

What,it worked, I don't have any other pve build outside of red OD

[subtle bluff]

refractor

Yes that works but it isn't something that should be recommended.

[sturdy plume]

Hi guys im looking to run a double LmG tinkerer build and im just wondering would be the premium talents to combine using alphabridge (o normally just run pestilence so am not overly familiar with High end talents that are good for LMGs!) Any tips would be much appreciated

[scenic briar]

Ongoing Directive Sadist + Pressure Point appears to be emerging as a popular option

[subtle bluff]

It has the best synergy

[hushed gorge]

i use decoy

but if i dont use cloak,the decoy also becomes uselss since i have 100% aggro

[small light]

for my st elmos striker what chest peice should i use currently im using a forstaken

[patent fossil]

Ceska obliterate

[livid sorrel]

Ceska for chc Grupo for chd
Obliterate

[small light]

thank you

[livid sorrel]

what's a good 2nd talent for a tinkerer heartbreaker build?

[subtle bluff]

IMO measured

[sudden cloak]

Measured is amazing

[wheat anchor]

I'm surprised it never ended up being more commonplace

Its a really good talent

[livid sorrel]

I'm trying it right now, not a fan of the bottom half but the top half is fun

[wheat anchor]

Yeah thats the main thing

[sudden cloak]

The bottom half is where it's at

[wheat anchor]

It very much depends on the weapon's RPM

[sudden cloak]

30% Total weapon dmg is huge

[sudden cloak]

I like running the apartment

[wheat anchor]

Fair point

I think I have a Police M4 with measured lying around somewhere

If not I guess I'll try to get it on a P416

[livid sorrel]

I'm using it on a police m4 rn

[wheat anchor]

Makes stack building way easier

[sudden cloak]

Try it on the converted smg9 think that's it

Ah well you are using it with hb so maybe not

[wheat anchor]

Measured + Unwavering/Outsider would be worth a test at some point

Assuming I bother with getting Tinkerer

[sudden cloak]

I would

[wheat anchor]

Nevermind I keep forgetting weapon swap talents aren't allowed

[wicked igloo]

I wanna do thid build, but the picture doesnt show any hotshot gear, so what pieces should i wear?

[patent fossil]

There are only 6 possible slots, and two or three are specified for you, so all the remaining parts have to be hotshot

[wicked igloo]

Chainkiller is an exotic chest right?

[patent fossil]

It's a named chest, not exotic

[wicked igloo]

Oh okay

[subtle bluff]

I need to fix these build guides. Something or one has messed up some of them.... =/

[unreal wagon]

Just turned 40. Can someone help me out and let me know where i should start farming for gear and what’s the first thing i should try to do /get

Also. Was i supposed to get a build cache at 40? I didn’t. Last one was 35

[meager fog]

Happy Birthday 😏

Strikers is the easiest and most versatile build to farm.

Can get the whole build from countdown in a few hours, if that

[unreal wagon]

Hi. Thanks for replying. Can i pm you?

[tired crater]

anyone has solid Negotiator's Dilemma Tinkerer build for pve?

[patent fossil]

Obvious choice would be ceska obliterate chest, and a couple of strong dps weapon talents
Personally though I like bluescreen on ND too much to use tinkerer

[tired crater]

ah, so just like striker build right?

[patent fossil]

Pretty much yup

Could run glass cannon if you prefer, but in group situations nego attracts a lot of threat

[tired crater]

noted,. thanks

[meager fog]

Sure

[kind sluice]

which AR is the better choice between famas & police M4 for a dps build with striker & Tinker mask?
Got streamline/killer and same mods on both. They seem pretty similar, though famas is slightly more dps

[patent fossil]

they're both top choices, it's mostly a matter of taste

iirc famas has higher burst damage but needs slightly more recoil control

[kind sluice]

yeah I had only one of each so I crafted a bunch to compare

[hearty owl]

FAMAS is better but yes it you have crippling arthritis you can use the Police M4

[shy willow]

I like to run the M4 just cuz of the umbrella corp skin

[kind sluice]

I'm temted to try the AK-M which has the highest base damage but really slow RPM but with maxed modifier it could be better

[small light]

what peice of gear has the perfectly unbreakable talent

[patent fossil]

Zero Fs, named badger tuff chest. (The pinned spreadsheet has all this info btw)

[small light]

didnt know there was one thanks

[patent fossil]

it's an excellent resource for looking up gear info, plus it has a load of top build guides

[grizzled garnet]

Yall is your 1886 build able to kill named heroic enemies bc mine is not able to 😢

[subtle bluff]

nope

Why I carry a shotgun. Full stacked HH swap to shotgun into there face bye!

[grizzled garnet]

is your minmaxed though?

[subtle bluff]

hmm?

[grizzled garnet]

this is mine rn (the backpack has chc instead of wep handling. not by choice. the 1886 also isnt minmaxed yet)

[subtle bluff]

oh...

I still do 24mill

max iirc... I use 2pc or 3pc of breaking point

[grizzled garnet]

Im hitting 19.3m

I guess i got ways to go ;-;

[subtle bluff]

Drunk Punch and the Prov doens't help your dmg throw on Breaking for them

you need to swap stuff and get Zwa bp bu rya

[grizzled garnet]

How does prov not help?

It gives 13% hsd

[subtle bluff]

Numbers are fun

[grizzled garnet]

Anyway ill worry about it all another time. For now ill stick to my hotshot build and farm shd levels

Ty for the info tho 🙏

[subtle bluff]

I'll explain it this ways. Breaking give you more number to throw into it all vs HE that's only HSD and WD.

[grizzled garnet]

wdym "more number to throw into all"?

[onyx sage]

hsd isn't as beneficial as weapon damage just due to how hh works, though it isn't as big of a gap for rifle than it is for mmr

[subtle bluff]

to a degree

[onyx sage]

what is certain is you're encountering issues with cap shot damage, which is better solved with more weapon damage than more hsd, though that makes you lose first shot damage a bit, hsd makes first shot damage better

[subtle bluff]

All gearset gives more than just gearset talent... There's more numbers it gives.

[subtle bluff]

you're making this maybe a bit more confusing for him even tho I"m not being straight forwards....

[onyx sage]

you started the suggestion of prov not helping lol, i'm just explaining

[sudden cloak]

@grizzled garnet try it like this lol

[subtle bluff]

Not wrong but here.
We're stacking more numbers in the end but also like avg said WD scales with HH stacks and HS doesn't.

[grizzled garnet]

🤔 so no point multiplying 10 by 100 when you could be multiplying 100 by 100 (for example) 🤔

[subtle bluff]

A few things there too can be better

[sudden cloak]

Ignore the guns and skills lol

Aside from 1886

[grizzled garnet]

Is perfect hh not stronger enough to use over the zwai chest

[sudden cloak]

What would you do differently

[subtle bluff]

Sharpshooter or Firewall spec for more dmg.
take off one breaking to put on chainkiller.

Chainkiller / P. HH stacks HH stacks quicker.

[sudden cloak]

Oh, why is gunner the spec 😂

[grizzled garnet]

That zwai backpack is gonna be a pain to grind 🥲

[grizzled garnet]

So

Bp mask
Zwai bag with vigi
Chainkiller
Bp gloves
Zwai holster
Foxes

Huh? I got @'d >->

[sudden cloak]

Was me, I made a mistake in my message and deleted it

[grizzled garnet]

fair

[wicked igloo]

Is this good?

[scenic briar]

that looks like the standard Striker build, missing a few mods on your weapon and skills though

not sure about a GR9 on secondary

[meager fog]

It's the basic Strikers DPS build.

As long as your attributes are CHC and CHD it's the most easy to use and versatile build in the game

[wicked igloo]

Yeah, for my skilld i dont know what to put😅

[meager fog]

Those, Shield and Revive hive are fine....as is Chem Foam if you like using it

[grizzled garnet]

Revive hive
And
Banshee pulse, riot foam, shield

[bright raptor]

decoy too if you own and completed WONY

[meager fog]

Decoy for Strikers...no

[bright raptor]

quitter talk

[meager fog]

That seems....inaccurate...

[sudden cloak]

I'd sooner use assault turret over decoy personally

[subtle bluff]

Even tho Decoy has one of the only 2 threat mechanics in the game that makes very powerful.

[sudden cloak]

The main use i had for decoy was for the turrets in the incursion before I learned how to oxi them

[subtle bluff]

Fair but decoy used things like that.

[pallid tapir]

hi everyone, new player that just hit level 40. are there stats i should be prioritizing for core attributes and attributes?

or do i just run whatever i feel like running

[meager fog]

Depends on your build.

Check the pinned spreadsheet for build guides

[pallid tapir]

👍

[meager fog]

@subtle bluff Ngl, I know you recommended the M9 SMG....but how do you feel about trhe MP5?

[subtle bluff]

If you’re shooting farther sure. Just by number SMG9 is really good. MP5 is balanced?

[onyx sage]

MP5 is probably the best linked laser-capable smg out there

the hoops you have to jump through for HB...

[meager fog]

IN most games that feature the MP5, it's amongst the best weapons. And it absolutely is the coolest lookikng gun ever made imo

[subtle bluff]

Ya for laser yea then MP5 is probably the best next to Vector 45

Funny last weekend I got to go shoot my friend’s MP5 .22 it was fun

[meager fog]

KIlled vs Strained on an SMG? Thoughts? I prefer the ramp up of strained

[subtle bluff]

on an SMG Killer just because you have so much CHC to sit at cap and if it’s high RPM SMG it works really well other ya sure Strained works.

Strained and Measure would be interesting to see.

[meager fog]

I'm just using it as a cr back up for strikers, so I feel like strained is a better option because the damage ramps up without having to kill the target first (as it's an emergency gun)

Fenris works with all Assault Rifles

However you normally don't want to use more than 1pc fenris, especially not with Born Great because it's a freaking laser

Use whatever you're comfortable with.

There is a pinned spreadsheet in here with information on the best builds in the game currently

[subtle bluff]

Then I would go with something with faster rpm.

[meager fog]

So m9 😛

Or Vector or P90?

[subtle bluff]

Play it and test it out.

[meager fog]

I will....but i'm in love with Cold Relations..... lol

I don't know why but I love it so much

[subtle bluff]

I used in CD to grind exp.

[meager fog]

It hits like a truck

and it's not even optimised.....can't understand why it's ignored 😛

[subtle bluff]

You want an idea?

[tropic solar]

im sure its been asked a bunch already, but what shenanigans are people up to with tinkerer?

[meager fog]

Sure. You're the master

[subtle bluff]

Stained and Steady Hands

[tender harbor]

P90 makes me happy.

[hexed steppe]

@onyx sage @subtle bluff , sorry in advance for tagging everyone.
figured i would slap something together based on this back and forth earlier. this is all just stuff i had so nowhere near minmax and no expertise. probably go firewall for the shield, unsure tho as yet. thoughts?

[subtle bluff]

Seems close enough of what I can do without the mask.

[obtuse crystal]

might be better off if u go 2 piece zwizaka or whatever 2 piece breaking point foxes and tinkerer tbh

not sure tho

[alpine tinsel]

Would strained frenzy be better for a OD build or sadist frenzy? I’m only considering strained bc that extra 50% crit sounds nice

[subtle bluff]

Try it we haven’t yet. Just like every talent it’s only good as long as its uptime is.

[tropic solar]

how do you get your dmg numbers like that?

[tropic solar]

whoaaaaa, thanks 🤠

[hexed steppe]

make sure to turn them off if you plan on using the text coms tho. youll have damage numbers non stop otherwise

[tropic solar]

aw, they dont just go to their own separate channel? sad

[hexed steppe]

unfortunately not, but its perfect if you want to do some comparison

[tropic solar]

looks like some other useful stuff in there too

[alpine tinsel]

What are the best high end lmgs rn in this game that just hit hard asf

I default to stoner but i saw someone say NEGEV has better burst damage?

[tropic solar]

spreadsheet has info, negev has highest burst

stoner has highest "sustained" burst

[subtle bluff]

Base... On paper....

[tropic solar]

thems the facts

[faint niche]

So im reworking my DPS build for a dps armor regen hybrid. Which is brand is better overall uzina getica, Belstone armory, gila guard, or badger tuff?

[sudden cloak]

Need a bit more context here, like what guns are you using

[faint niche]

Acs-12 for stacking and lexington/elmos/ouroboros as primary

[scenic briar]

actually armor regen is probably going to be too small an amount if you're still half red-ish, so armor on kill would probably be the way to go. might want to look at a Hunter's Fury setup

[sudden cloak]

Are you on strikers currently?

For an easy 1% regen you can go with belstone, or you could go 2pc Golan 10% status effects(elmo's) and 1.5% regen

You're wanting a dps regen hybrid with Lex/Elmo's and oreo as your main dps, like @scenic briar said, if you're running 3 or less blue cores then regen might not be your best bet and you may want to go to aok route instead of regen

[subtle bluff]

Armor Regen in PvE isn't worth it

[faint niche]

So here's the build im currently running with lexington and Acs-12 with 1.5 million armor (before the rework)

[subtle bluff]

Striker chest isn't worth running over Ceska Obli

NBB will always nerf your build full Potential

[faint niche]

Yeah, ive been changing the ceska for the harnesk chest piece for better AR damage but ive been experimenting with the ranger ballistic vest as it gives 5% weapon damage...can't really rely too much on crit (my aim isn't Johnny on the spot)

[scenic briar]

FYI nobody uses the names of the individual armor pieces, unless they're exotic or are yellow-named unique items. you just refer to it by the brand/gear set

I have about 1000 hours in the game and have no idea which set Harnesk belongs to

[faint niche]

Sorry, my brain acts like that, too much information stored

[shy willow]

Fenris iirc

[faint niche]

Hmmm, maybe uzina and gila are the better option...Time to experiment

[cinder wedge]

:O

[leaden acorn]

Repair skills or incoming repairs dont work with foundry right?

[hexed steppe]

best way to achieve armor regen dps is going to be using memento bag. keep your ceska oblit, get rid of ninja bag and wh glove. replace with memento and striker glove.
with memento you arent fully sacrificing your damage to use it. ill have a copy/paste at the end of this breaking memento down. youll see your banshee and shield gain a lot of strength as well as around 30%-60% extra weapon damage (dependent on main core counts.)

Memento is the hardest working single piece in the game.

For me, I look at all it does. Cores and long buff only (at full stacks) represent:

-45% weapon damage
-2 shield tiers
-free armor and skill core
-30% skill damage
-30% status effects
-30% skill duration
-30% skill health
-30% skill haste
-30% skill repair
-# skill buckets™️
-3% armor regen

Short buff adds core dependent buff and are a nice bonus but dont factor in to my reasoning for usage. all this is before figuring in the specialization and the other 5 pieces of the build.

and no, its not a solo only bag as many claim, and it doesnt require you to go full noob mode running into crossfire to get a trophy. you can pick them up after npcs are dead. really you just gotta get it stacked and after that its one trophy every 5 minutes to maintain full buff.

[twin peak]

Anyone know a good pve heroic backfire solo build

I just got the smg I’m tryna make some

[hexed steppe]

striker+backfire

[twin peak]

Yk an exact one that’s like good for survivablily

Bc I be dying ode

[hexed steppe]

striker is kinda survivability through superior damage output. itll synergize with backfire because both are stacking.

hunters fury would be good with it too, as it gives armor on kill and status enemies within range of kills

striker the strongest tho. either way you could add memento bag for a little extra survivability. see above👆

[twin peak]

Lemme show u what im using rn its okay but like i still get cooked kind of

[hexed steppe]

ok

[twin peak]

Chest has intimidate and backpack has bloodsucker

Most damage I see on this rn is max 946k

[hexed steppe]

are you staying close range to proc intimidate

[twin peak]

Not fully attribute maxed

I’m using my bloodsucker rn to make sure I have it one and after a few kills it stays on bc I start to shred a bit but I think it’s a mid build n could be better

I’ve tried hunter fury but I want that higher dps to shred

[hexed steppe]

i would use adrenaline rush over bloodsucker. intimidate needs the bonus armor that either gives, but also needs you to be close to get that bonus. adrenaline rush also needs you to be close

personally, drop intimidate for obliterate. add striker bag, and swap mask to coyote

[twin peak]

So then what’s ur best build recommendation for me to have the best of both worlds

[hexed steppe]

add gunner spec for the aok

[twin peak]

I don’t have that

[hexed steppe]

the pin in this channel has a spreadsheet with a ton of guides. developed and tested right here

[twin peak]

So is this what I should run ?

[hexed steppe]

looks better, maybe a grupo chest since you should have a lot of crit chance anyways.

try it out and see. if youre running cqb coyote will give crit damage bonus instead of chc/chd

[twin peak]

Okay

I just needa make a grupo chest and should it be armor then reds or all red with obliterate

[hexed steppe]

its gonna be preference. strongest will be all red, but its also real squishey

[twin peak]

But also what should I do about the bleed bc I have no aok

I started late so I don’t have gunner

[hexed steppe]

youll be immune to it after 3 bleeds or if your stacks stay the same between reloads

[twin peak]

Okay bet

I appreciate the help

[hexed steppe]

some were using the modifiers this season where it converts blue cores/stamina into hazpro .. you can always mess around with some hazpro or resist mods, but if its becoming an issue i would just use a different weapon

youll know real quick if its gonna work for you or not

[twin peak]

Yea I had one with strong bleed resistance but lacked damage max I got was maybe 700k

Yea now my base is 1.1m

[blissful sphinx]

coming back after a long break. Will this build still hold up?

[grizzled garnet]

Yes

[worn elbow]

Hell yeah

Just get a aa12 shotgun or lefty for faster striker stacks

Lefty is the named version of the aa12

[subtle bluff]

SMG are fine. Mp7 may not be the best.
My leggo builds I run a smg.

[solar sable]

Not optimal if not running Strikers vest.

[worn elbow]

He’s using backpack tho but yes that’s also true

[solar sable]

a better option would be a backup weapon, like Chow suggested, SMGs are great

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't matter.
2nd is backup for some reason. If you use it and it's works for then your good.

[worn elbow]

Ye that’s another good idea as well

[subtle bluff]

But the thought to keep simpler is that Elmo has great Sustain DPS and best dmg (70rd) so the idea what would balance that out? Something that would have high brust be the thought.

[narrow tulip]

Thank you Danny weaver lol

[meager fog]

Cold Relations gang!! 😏

[subtle bluff]

This guy

[terse gull]

are the status resistence mods worth anything or should i scrap them?

[subtle bluff]

Only max and if you're doing something specfic

[grizzled garnet]

I try and keep at least 3 of each mod maxed out.

If you wanna be ultra specific you can go for 6 of each if youre running 3 pc improvised but idk anyone who'd do that

[rich lotus]

Guys what's a good pvp build because I don't wanna get clapped by rogues in the dz anymore

[rocky rain]

What is this gear again that gives a high percentage weapon handling?

[patent fossil]

eagles grasp (named gloves)

[gray radish]

What exotic lmg is great for striker build?

[patent fossil]

iron lung, bluescreen

[meager fog]

Most of them.....anything with an RPM over 800 works well.

[shy willow]

Personally always gonna shill Iron Lung

[gray radish]

Thanks guys

[void tiger]

Guys, are there any tips on striker's set build? currently all 4 strikers of mine have 170k armor as the main stat, but im still baffled as to what kind of substats and the talent i need to be striving to grind for

[meager fog]

Why on earth are you putting armour on strikers?

Bin all those pieces and start again

[void tiger]

Ive seen some solo master runs on yt with armors on strikers and i was trying to do the same thing lol

[meager fog]

A striker build requires full red (weapon damage) which it drops with

[void tiger]

What about armor and the regen tho? the weap dmg is pretty nice, i got some other strikers with full reds but man i always got clapped with solo heroic free roams, maybe im lacking on the talent/substats

[meager fog]

Everything should be crit chance and crit damage (50% minimum crit chance)

Why do you need armour when the enemies are already dead?

[void tiger]

Just incase some fart sniffers (hyenas) snuck up behind me lol

[meager fog]

Basic strikers. Capable of solo Heroic with all directives active

[void tiger]

Ahhh i see, so i just need to minmax my crit dmg/crit chance huh then i should pass by heroic stuff with flying colors

Man that yt run with 170k armor got me f up lol

[meager fog]

Don't even need to min max, strikers build is capable without max stats.

Its one of few builds that works out the box

[void tiger]

What about the chest piece? anything i should look out for? i have tons of chest piece in my stash that i havent even filtered yet

i got pestilence as my main hitter with shotgun as my second, so that should do the trick

[patent fossil]

Ceska obliterate with crit stats is generally the best chest

[lost wren]

striker chest piece is really good but only really for legendary and higher

[grizzled garnet]

Theres higher than legendary?

[rich cosmos]

How does the reduced threat on cloak kneepads work

[void tiger]

ill keep that in mind, thanks

[rich lotus]

What content would the new gearset be useful in? Measured assembly

[tulip charm]

Legendary and skill heavy missions

[solar berry]

Less threat you generate when with other people. Threat is aggro.

More threat you have. More aggro you will receive from enemies

[dreamy valve]

Prob meant the raids

[dreamy valve]

Nice, joining the retaliation speed runs as well?

[subtle bluff]

To note we barely understand how normal threat works..
Only thing we know that has threat atm us decoy and that gearset.

[small light]

which aa12 should i use to build strikers stacks lefty or rock and roll

[patent fossil]

Both will serve their purpose - rock and roll has larger mag so less reloading, lefty comes in handy when you've got a super tough boss you want to burn down

[small light]

alright thanks

[patent fossil]

You can also just run a regular one with brazen for more damage generally

[faint niche]

Oh, ok that makes more sense. Ive been looking for a build like this. Thank you.

[hoary valve]

if i'm running the tinkerer mask do i have to have the same wepons?

[patent fossil]

They have to be the same type (eg rifles or lmgs) but not the exact same model

[wraith forge]

Any Suggestion what I could change? Im still dying pretty fast on Legendary Difficulty but on Challenging not very oft.

[hoary valve]

idk any please feel free to correct me but the chest has to go ceksa vryoba or forstarkt breastplate talent obliterate or intimidate and make sure you have armor mods on it or just call for back up or look for a group

and for specializations i usally run gunner for dps but you might want survivalist

[glad heart]

4 pieces of gearset or none... the 5th piece is a waste... as was said change it to a ceska with obliterate.... however Armor mods may not always be the answer... as they take away damage... and it is kill them before they kill you is the best defense e.g. best defense is a strong offense

[patent fossil]

5pc of a gearset is a waste, with a high end piece you gain a brandset bonus and an extra minor stat. Ceska obliterate chest or a ceska holster/gloves/kneepads would likely be best.
Also chameleon isn't the best choice for legendary - short effective range and you won't be clearing encounters fast enough to refresh the buffs. A high end AR with a damage talent would prove better overall (eg famas with strained).
Other than that, legendary is mostly about positioning and learning the spawns, since they are the same every time in the strongholds.

[hoary valve]

armor mods prop from elites?

[glad heart]

Protection from elites is great, if all you are up against is elites... protection from elites does not protect you from the reds and purples... and they will tear you up more than you think

I used to run with a guy that had a strong PFE build, but he kept getting wasted by the reds and purples.... just sayin

[worn elbow]

The common setup for strikers is like this still hits like a truck you can use these exotics Elmo’s or chameleon or iron long or ouroboros etc there some other striker set ups

Chest piece has obliterate talent

You can go with a blue core version with memento with backfire setup which is also pretty good

[grizzled garnet]

I remember sum1 telling me that overall st elmos out dps's ouro. I think only very slightly but summin to keep in mind

[worn elbow]

I think so too but you don’t have to use the same exact weapon all the time tbf

Like iron lung and pest and chameleon and ouro do good damage but Elmo pretty goof as well

[grizzled garnet]

No das true. Sometimes i like to run with my GAU-8 Avenger

(Alternate spelling for ouro)

[worn elbow]

Now since tinkerer is here we can use other weapons for a nice combo with talents

[grizzled garnet]

Isnt police m4 best non exotic non named ar?

[worn elbow]

I think so too

[glad heart]

Yeah, ok but that is a double edged sword in Legendary... 972 rounds is often not enough to clear an area on legendary, and if you are running say two ARs you are in trouble. Best to leave Tinkerer alone, and run an AR and an LMG or SMG as secondary

[worn elbow]

Yes that’s true I still haven’t found the best set up for tinkerer for legendary yet

[grizzled garnet]

Do you know if gunner ammo regen stacks?

Like if all 4 run gunner they get 25% per min (10% self 5% allies)

[glad heart]

Every minute you get an amount of ammo yes. With two of us, entrance to DUA, both ran out and the regen could not keep up. Only salvation was I was running an MK46 as a secondary, and the global modifier refilled the ammo when I ran through all of that. I am 71 years old and not the quickest player around, so others experience may be better

[sudden cloak]

I'm pretty sure it does stack

[grizzled garnet]

🤔 intriguing. But ye having 2 weapons with 2 different ammo pools would help

[small light]

whats classed as god roll on a chameleon is it the same rolls you would have on an elmos

[sudden cloak]

Dtoc is the best 3rd attribute for 90% of guns in the game

[glad heart]

Maxed core and all attributes is god rolled, third attribute may be different

[hazy steeple]

Nah it's just dtooc.

[small light]

is health and dtooc okay?

[hazy steeple]

the other 2 attributes can't be changed.

e.g. SMG's always have crit chance.

[glad heart]

I had to reconfigure Elmo to get DTTOOC on it. After that, the next one that dropped had DTTOOC... grrrrrrrrr haha

[hazy steeple]

Yeah I wouldn't say that reconfiguring Exotics is worth it, except for when it's absurdly tricky to get another copy.
e.g. Ouroboros from the Incursion, or EB/Rav/Reg from the Raid stuff, maybe Bighorn via Legendary.

Most of the time, you want to farm out another copy, and use the junk Exotics you get in the meantime to build up your stock of Exotic Components. You're gonna need a LOT.

[glad heart]

Sitting at over 500 exotic components right now....

[hazy steeple]

Yeah you're gonna need more.

[versed summit]

I get that, but the odds of getting the exotic you want with the attribute you want is a huge gamble, and way more time consuming

[hazy steeple]

Nah, you want that long term gain over the short term benefit of having (up to) 10% extra dtooc.

"my elmo now has 6% dtooc, and it only cost me the equivelant of 30 exotics" is not something you want to find yourself saying.

[versed summit]

It’s a lot more than you’re getting from expertise for a while if you’re new

It’s a choice sure, but I’d say it’s worth it overall

[hazy steeple]

Expertise is deep-endgame, I don't agree with suggesting it to newbies, and I don't know why so many people do.

You can do the hardest content in the game without it, it's just nice to have. It's not like it's as good as it seems either.

I'm rambling a little so I'll tl;dr it
Once you have excess, go for recofiguring if you really want, but you're better off spending Exo Comps elsewhere.

[sudden cloak]

I only suggest going upto 12% expertise,

[hazy steeple]

For those who don't know, 12% is the highest you can go without spending any Exo Comps.

[grizzled garnet]

Even if you dont start using expertise id recommend starting getting the levels early since its a long grind

[hazy steeple]

I would say it's kinda worth it if you throw it on a meta gun for something like a Red Strikers setup (not the gear though, of course).
wait until the Stretch Goals and get yourself a pre-godrolled Lexington (they have confirmed it's coming pre-godrolled again), and throw some wealth into that.

just be warned, a nerf to something you put a lot of work into is going to sting all the more.

[sudden cloak]

I use Lexington as a solid backup weapon

[hazy steeple]

Lex' is somewhat future proofed against nerfs, since just a slight nerf will still keep it competing with the other top spots.

My 25exp MMR that MSV nerfed because it was stronger than a White Death.....that one stung.

[sudden cloak]

I've switched over to the 1886 builds since I'm mostly farming alone now, and I find it for enjoyable over hotshot

[glad heart]

My lex is at Level 28, as are all my most used weapons. My Elmo is level 29. I started to was mats on the gear, but stopped as it is not really worth it. Getting to level 30 is going to take a while, because I am not going to handicap myself with gimmicks and the like. (New exotic and named gears)

[hexed steppe]

luckily you wont need to be spending past 30 anyways.

conveniently capped off after mules were nerfed

[glad heart]

Plus I have 117,000 + printer filiments...

[hexed steppe]

nice. i never deleted a mule to overcap mats... when nerf came i put it all into optimization mats and cash.

[glad heart]

I put alot of points into cash as well. 21mil +

[hazy steeple]

I tried the overcap thing once and now I don't have anything to spend the mats on.
#vetproblems.

[glad heart]

Diminishing returns the further along you get

[hexed steppe]

gotta invest in all the unicorn builds like i do

im already tapped out on a lot of my optimization mats

[hazy steeple]

I need to start making your weird collection of builds, playing the regular stuff gets so dull.

[hexed steppe]

but with the reup im good forever. just a bit of crafting from time to time

start with mortar

i use all my alts so overcapping wasnt an option if i didnt want to grind out all my optimizations specializations

[glad heart]

I just play now... help new people to the clan, if they want... not investing much in anything right now

TBH, I hit the mules hard the last month before they killed them.

[hexed steppe]

a lot did. definitely worth, especially with the heads up they gave

[hazy steeple]

It should be noted that the only ones I'm still overcapped on are the rarer ones at the lower half of the list.

The ones that are harder to spend for, basically.

[hexed steppe]

i think they did a pretty balanced nerf when it came to mules tho. no more unlimited mats, but they upped the returns like 3-4 times the old base value for each scavenging.. so youre basically pulling the same amount of having 4 agents all collecting shd

[hazy steeple]

I am actually very glad mules were nuked, as actually running them was so darn tedious.

felt like i was playing one of those clicker games from steam, and not even one with cookies.

[glad heart]

It was very tedious, I have a few accounts, so was running more than one computer... Yeah, I don't want to do that again.

[hexed steppe]

i remember before 1 endgame i would help boost a clanmate/friend's agent minimum 3-4 times a week

angel went all in 🔥

[glad heart]

I have boosted a few,,, and yeah all in haha.... and took a returning player that could not stay alive, and now the NPCs go after him not me... ALL GOOD haha

[sturdy plume]

All red striker (with back pack+petrov chest with glass cannon) with tinkerer mask and machine gun in secondary slot with either measured or unforgiven or even killer+ Mk48 with frenzy! Base rate of fire is like 1150Rpm and with frenzy proced is like 1400Rpm! And its almost like the game can't keep up from when a enemy visually has no health left to when they actually die lol. The sheer damage throughput with a build like this is absurd haha

[hexed steppe]

nice

[hoary valve]

why do i see people running pestilence with striker?

[subtle bluff]

Because it's exotic and it work ok together

[outer agate]

would tinkerer be better than coyotes mask for a striker? im using 2 ar's one with streamline and the other with killer

[subtle bluff]

better is debatable but yes otherwise.

[meager fog]

Better unlikely, because Coyotes boosts your squad too.

Probably as strong for a solo option though

[subtle bluff]

I mean it'll do more but the utility that exotic weapons give is really good.

[outer agate]

would breadbasket work for determined on a rifle headshot build with tinkerer

[onyx sage]

no

breadbasket doesn't work in any situation

determined makes your body shots headshots anyway so you're not gonna proc breadbasket with it

[outer agate]

yea i just tested it. what would be the best perk to run then? i modified my one hit rifle build for tinkerer and im tryin to figure out a good combo

[subtle bluff]

Idk if there will be best.

The issues with rifle one shot is building HH stacks and that's mostly in group play.

[outer agate]

you just have to shoot the red bar first then you can one tap purples and yellows

getting hh stacks is easy as heck

[meager fog]

Which is why there isn't really anything to pair with it as BiS.

It's whatever you prefer

[subtle bluff]

Yes planning it out is easy sometimes it's much hard to do in group and if there only one or 2 red and Purples out it's make it harder.

In solo play I run HHF with 1886 all the time.

[outer agate]

i use it in my group that i play with and have no issues lol

[subtle bluff]

Then are you changing something that you are having no issues with then?

I do time sometimes and I have issues.

[outer agate]

to try and get better results

[meager fog]

Better results than one shotting everything?

[subtle bluff]

I mean we're only determined players.

[meager fog]

Even dogs and robo rollers die in a single hit (and proc determined if you wait for them to explode)

The only time you struggle is with helmets and thats just a case of prioritising targets properly

[subtle bluff]

Is this better?

[hoary valve]

what would you change?

[hexed steppe]

Looks good from my house as long as those are all crit rolls

Shield is useless tho. Banshee pulse or emp sticky in that spot would be helpful tho

[subtle bluff]

Shield is useless when running LMG

[hoary valve]

i forgot to take that off would would you use besides the shield?

[solar sable]

emp sticky or foam chem imho

[meager fog]

Chem Foam Shill

[subtle bluff]

Depends on your playstyle. Riot Foam, Decoy and Banshee pulse are all good choices.

[outer agate]

best signature class for ongoing directive?

[hexed steppe]

Gunner and survivalist

It plays like a dps

[subtle bluff]

There's isn't a best.

Like local it's a DPS if you're in group survivalist can be good for group buffs.

[outer agate]

hm ok so the survivalist tactical link only applies to group members?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, but it's an amp for them on top of the ammo provided

[outer agate]

true

i like gunner bc of the banshee pulse. its the easiest way to kill a status target for hollow rounds

[hexed steppe]

I use gunner myself. Banshee and emp sticky ,
Carnage and bluescreen

[outer agate]

im using tinkerer so dual non named/exotics

im doing 988k per bullet

[subtle bluff]

Banshee and Riot Foam imo are the easiest one to use forsure get the kill.

[outer agate]

im confident i can get it above a mil a shot

[hexed steppe]

I havent messed with od tinker yet.
I like it on highend rifle headhunter tho

[subtle bluff]

DPS should be the target of your damage not bullet damage. Put on rifles and you'll get to 1.5 mill easy.

[outer agate]

well my crits are above a mil now lol

so im happy

[shy willow]

I enjoy seeing backfire hit for like 5 million in the incursion it's so beautiful

[sudden cloak]

It's a beautiful thing really

[astral elm]

Feel like i cant survive in Heroic without all blue cores. Yet every tinkerer build im finding is all red

[shy willow]

All red is the standard for build aiming to do damage

Any blues are personal preference

[sudden cloak]

Positioning is a big key factor along with what naval said, personally I still run 2 blues when I'm in heroic

[astral elm]

Feel like i get insta killed when using all reds

[sudden cloak]

Glass cannon?

[astral elm]

Not using it

[shy willow]

Positioning as mentioned is key

[sudden cloak]

Alright well what are you currently using to clear heroic

[astral elm]

Using the Backfire with all blue striker and momento

[shy willow]

It's definitely a positioning issue

[astral elm]

And when i swap to an all red tinkerer i just got minced

[sudden cloak]

Can you send us a screenshot of the build

[astral elm]

Just use cover more you reckon?

[sudden cloak]

This is a cover based shooter

[astral elm]

Obviously

[shy willow]

Use full cover and avoid half cover unless to c2c

And don't rely on your shield

[sudden cloak]

me using my shield as a piece of mobile cover huh?

[shy willow]

It's there as a buffer really

[sudden cloak]

I pretty much exclusively use the firewall shield, so I'm constantly putting enemies in the cone for more dmg

[meager fog]

This is a game where adding survivability through gear will actively make the game harder.

Having all blue core in high diff the enemies will still shread through your armour while you actively nerf yourself.

Dead enemies don't shoot back.

[astral elm]

Yeah but its the keeping me alive in order to make them dead that im struggling with

[meager fog]

As already mentioned. Proper cover use, positioning and learning enemy spawns is key to playing well as a DPS.

The environment is your survivability.

[astral elm]

Sweet il try and position better

[meager fog]

A good rule of thumb is to try and position yourself higher up and closer to where you enter the room. Enemies rarely if ever spawn near to there.

[sudden cloak]

Another thing to look out for is your mini map, it might not seem like much but simply paying attention to it can and will save you

[meager fog]

When you enter a room, take a quick look around before you engage. Find a vantage point and get there before you engage. Take a look around the room and plan your attack before you set on the enemkes

[meager fog]

Also this.

If you're not using FOW pay attention to the radar. A quick glance after each kill to locate the next priority target.

Prioritise your enemies in this order:

Closest,
Rushers,
Grenadier,
Radio Controllers,
Robodogs,
Chunga should be last.

[meager fog]

If you're in need of help, I don't mind running with you

[astral elm]

Im not trying to run anything in particular just wanting to level my battle pass

[meager fog]

Whatever works for you, DM me if you want someone to run with you

[astral elm]

You can help me with this Heroic mission

[meager fog]

Absolutely. DM me your Ubisoft name and I'll add you

[reef ember]

Good night fellow agents. I have been playing Division 2 since July. I got to end game and having a ton of fun. I usually play solo, but I am looking for fun builds with skill tiers as main attribute.

[meager fog]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

[reef ember]

That is super useful, thanks

[pale crown]

trying to do something weird with HH, determined and PFE mods lol XD - i do hit for 20 mil per shot most times but i hate helmets, any advice on legendary difficulty?

[hearty owl]

I’m curious as to where you got the idea to run improvised pieces

[pale crown]

its for the PFE mods

i want to incorporate them in the build

[hearty owl]

Oh so you’re planning on running more than 2

[pale crown]

yes

eventually

i know there's gear sets like breaking point for way more damagem but my key idea was a HH PFE build

so trying to see if its viable lol?

[hearty owl]

I think you’re missing out on too much damage for this to be viable on legendary, you’re gonna have to farm rushers and snipers and even then I’m not sure your HH damage with one stack is enough to kill an elite

[pale crown]

true

alright scrap it then

[subtle bluff]

To note. HSD doesn't scale with HH.

[pale crown]

Yes WD

Was just keeping it above 150%

thanku for the advice guys : )

[shy willow]

Phreezy probably

[meager fog]

Its normally from some youtuber who plays "Hard difficulty" and claims a build slaps because they're running through easily.

Same reason people still post their builds with NBB

[pale crown]

No lol I got it from ikia XD

Like I just saw that the mod reduces damage from yellow bars

[twin knoll]

this is my current build atm @meager fog, i swapped from strikers to this (i did save it as loadout so i can switch back any time)

[solar sable]

doing great with the 4pc OD but I highly suggest Coyote's and Ceska bag with Wicked

[twin knoll]

yeah i know, im trying to get that exotic but not dropped yet, i keep getting vile

right as i said i needed that exotic it drops from a cache

[meager fog]

Pestilence isn't a great Choice.

Carnage for extra damage on bleed

[twin knoll]

i have both equipped so i can swap

[meager fog]

Also get some mods on your equipment. You're missing alot of damage.

[twin knoll]

yeah i know my crit mods are in my stash

[meager fog]

And try to phase out those blue cores and attributes. Its uneccesary

You're just nerfing the build for no gain at all. Enemies will still wipe your armour while you're doing less damage

Number 1 rule: Dead enemies don't retaliate

[pale crown]

So would you say PFE mods are useless in legendary and master difficulty?

[meager fog]

No, but hes playing neither.

And even then, you don't need that many blues for either.

[pale crown]

sorry i was asking for myself, i'm trying to replace coyotes with tinkerer and want to know whats a good AR talent combo for all red striker

and i will add PFE mods where i can

[subtle bluff]

I need to make a new OD build Pic.

[meager fog]

Full red strikers is capable of Lego and Master content. Takes skill, positioning and spawn knowledge but it can be done

[pale crown]

i see thanku

[meager fog]

For the AR talents I would use Sadist+Strained (alot of people run OD in groups)

[onyx sage]

this is a scuffed run but this is with full red no shield and no modifiers, for example

it really is just about knowledge and positioning

[pale crown]

true

[meager fog]

The best course is to practise. It'll take a few runs of each section before you get comfortable.

Then it's all about memory

And don't be afraid of failing. When practising Master/Lego you're going to fail alot with a pure red

But once you CAN do it. You'll fly through no problem as the map is identical every time.

[pale crown]

yes very true

thanku for the advice : )

i like this game because of build variety, came from destiny 2 lol

[meager fog]

Just focus on each section one at a time.

What I did when practising was complete the first section, die then run it again and again and again until I was comfortable with it.

Then complete the first and second section, die rinse repeat.

It takes longer but it stuck in my head better

[onyx sage]

yeah tactics matter quite a bit more in this game than destiny 2

[twin knoll]

even if i wanted to go for tinkerer idk if it would be good for my current build since i'd lose out on a lot of damage

[meager fog]

Yeah this is the opposite of the Destiny/Warframe genre.

Its not a hero shooter 🙃

[meager fog]

Tinkerer works just fine as a replacement for Coyotes in solo content

Whatever you lose you gain from the secondary weapon talent

[twin knoll]

but if i have pestilence and carnage wouldn't that make ongoing directive a bit broken?

[meager fog]

You cant use pestilence or carnage with tinkerer

With an OD tinkerer build i would recommend two IWI NEGEVs running Sadist and Strained.

Slaps HARD once everything is bleeding

You could also use Sadist+ Pressure Point.

[twin knoll]

so carnage and something else?

[meager fog]

Can't use carnage

No named or exotic weapons.

[obtuse crystal]

Carnage doesn’t work with tinkerer it don’t work with named or exotic weapons

I went with a m249 with sadist and a random lmg with pressure point

[twin knoll]

this is what im using atm (will be farming countdown for ceska backpack with wicked or trying to get the perfect wicked named item

[meager fog]

They have to be the same weapon

[obtuse crystal]

No it don’t

At least not for me

It’s orange not red on the ui

[twin knoll]

and apparently people are saying tinkerer aint that good?

[obtuse crystal]

It depends on the build tbh how good it is

[meager fog]

Its fine for Solo. For group play it loses out to Coyotes

[obtuse crystal]

Makes biggest difference tho in od builds

[meager fog]

OD build is primarily for buffing others in your party. For group play Coyotes wins out, unless you're organising your party around each other's builds.

For random MM play Coyotes 100%

[obtuse crystal]

I use od while solo tbh because I like full auto builds and I play with directives and ammo hoarders is annoying with full auto and no od

[obtuse crystal]

Correct dien I’m a nerd

[meager fog]

If you have a partner running Strikers/Coyotes then running tinkerer OD with Sadist/Pressure point would be incredible.

But you cant always guarantee a Coyotes in random because randos are generally stupid 🤣

[twin knoll]

im gonna have to do WONY for a named backpack with the talent i'd need

specifically anarchist's cookbook

[obtuse crystal]

For od you’ll be better off with ceska tbh instead of anarchists which is golan

[twin knoll]

yeah but it has perfectly wicked

[meager fog]

Ceska with Wicked does just fine

[obtuse crystal]

If I remember correctly it doesn’t even buff the damage it does when I checked eariler gimme a sec I’ll check rq

Yeah it’s same damage just perfect version lasts longer

Could also go vigilance or unstoppable force I’ve seen used as well

[meager fog]

I even managed to roll this but Ceska BP with Wicked is still better

[obtuse crystal]

Yeah brandset matters more tbh

[twin knoll]

well back to countdown farming

[obtuse crystal]

Good luck

[pale crown]

whats a good AR talent combo for tinkerer with striker?

[meager fog]

Strained+Sadist, Strained+Measured

[subtle bluff]

I should make lil chart for that too.

[meager fog]

Can you make a "Cold Relations is my favourite weapon and here's why" chart? 😏

[subtle bluff]

😡

[obtuse crystal]

Remove all weapons use a lady death and claws out and melee everything

[copper holly]

What's everyone's favourite tinkerer build

[subtle bluff]

OD

[worn elbow]

OD it’s incredible

[copper holly]

@worn elbow what talents

[exotic warren]

Been trying tinkerer's combinations just to find myself back with striker+coyoye+st elmo's

[worn elbow]

Pressure point sadist you can go with wicked or unstoppable force with ceska backpack

[copper holly]

Ok cheers

Any specific weapon u like

[worn elbow]

If you have enough crit chance you can use groupo backpack with same talents wicked or unstoppable force

[honest moss]

2 questions:

1. Is it only perfect talents that get disabled with tinkerer or is it specifically named weapons? Example being Lexingtons, Handbaskets, First looks. Are these viable?
2. Is it weapon type, so 2 LMGs, to activate it or two of the exact same weapon?

[worn elbow]

Well it’s mainly the primary lmg you use to get the tinkerer buff I went with the m60 lmg

[subtle bluff]

Any named.
Weapon Type.

[honest moss]

Thank you very much!

[worn elbow]

Just make sure that the 2nd lmg has wicked on or pressure point while the main has the other one

[copper holly]

Ok

About to make it now

[worn elbow]

For example first lmg has pressure point and 2lmg has sadist

[copper holly]

Ok so for you it would be pressure point on your m60 leg

[exotic warren]

And skills?

[worn elbow]

Ye and 2nd has the Sadist with tinkerer m60 gets both talent active

And you have more damage with wicked or unstoppable force

[worn elbow]

I use hive revive and the gunner pulse skill forgot the name

Banshee it’s this one

[subtle bluff]

This should be explained. Wicked is just easy and works with easy up time.
Vigilance is great for Dmg because of TWD, upstopable is alright I don't like the it for the OD.

I've always recommended OD because you don't need to build stacks.

[worn elbow]

Both works well tho I didn’t have any issues with both backpack talents

[exotic warren]

Thank you very much. I'll give it a try.

[copper holly]

Wouldn't the military mk46 be better?

[worn elbow]

Btw I didn’t use the skills that much since I used all 5 directives for the 3x xp event

[worn elbow]

The m249?

[subtle bluff]

It's just an opinion sorry forgot mention that.

[subtle bluff]

There the same.

[worn elbow]

No it’s all good I respect your opinion and yes wicked is easier to get

[worn elbow]

That and m60 works very well

[worn elbow]

But if you wanted more damage you can use unstoppable force

[subtle bluff]

Imo higher rpm is better for the burst. E60 is great Sustain.

[copper holly]

Damage to armour as third attribute right

[worn elbow]

Yes I have used both they work nicely I use m60 since it’s my favorite lmg

[worn elbow]

Well I use that for my lmgs so ye it’s good

Idk if there’s something else that can work with lmgs 3rd attribute since the 2nd one is damage out of cover

[subtle bluff]

No. CHC.

[copper holly]

Ok

[subtle bluff]

By the numbers CHC, ROF then DTA for DPS.

Unless your like over 200 CHD while being near CHC cap.

[worn elbow]

Btw best part is that even without any xp boost event this you can farm heroic with 5 directives easily since you have unlimited ammo

Here’s a quick tip too if you gonna farm open world go to shooing range and pulse the target test thingy to get your hollow bullets

[copper holly]

Good idea

I've got the build ready just need to farm lmgs to farm the right talents to put in my library lol

[worn elbow]

Lol good luck agent

[copper holly]

Is the infantry mg5 replica and normal mg5 the same?

[solar sable]

replicas are no different than regular weapons

[copper holly]

Normal mg5 has 3 mod slots, the infantry mg5 replica has 4?

[scenic briar]

if that's the case, it's because of normal vs. infantry, not because of the replica part of the name

[copper holly]

Ok so there's actually two different weapons

[scenic briar]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fcl3XrTMkWiqehiBrFZnO-DgvwWT_iuZsCoMBUc7svk/edit?usp=drivesdk

[strong cave]

Yeah majority weapons have different "variants". It can get confusing pretty easily

[summer arrow]

Try out the Vile Mask and Bluescreen LMG with that build. Literally one of my favorite setups. absolutely chews through things, especially if you play in a squad.

[sleek willow]

Hello everyone

Does anyone know how to build a something that can do over 100m per hit. I see some people om youtube but never achieved that. I have hotshot build and a vest with headhunter. Also perfect determined in my MR. But still the max i get is around 30m

[obtuse crystal]

only time ive done that much is with like rav stacking or busy bee and dch but if talking abt a hotshot build hitting 100m its probably a global event named reanimated

[sleek willow]

So its not possible to achieve that you say?

[obtuse crystal]

by just a hotshot build no

[sleek willow]

But what else can i equip. I mean i followed someones build on youtube exactly and still not possible. Even though i have over 300% headshot damage stat i still dont achieve what they did. And its not even related to reanimated event.

[obtuse crystal]

can you link me to the video

[onyx sage]

yeah i think either reanimated is on or they used achilles

[obtuse crystal]

yeah or that youre not doing 100m commonly on a hotshot build

[onyx sage]

no shot you're gonna hit 100mil in normal situations

[obtuse crystal]

just busy bee stack charge dch and then achilles :3

[sleek willow]

https://youtube.com/shorts/hFXPJfLPA1Y?si=gFnIR1gB8HfW95A9

[obtuse crystal]

oh its a old seasonal modifer

[sleek willow]

When i do 3 or 4 heatshots with determined . I get than all kills after that. But I never realised how much damage its doing since it disappears fast. I need to record after that. Ican liberate cp in heroic easy peasy. But i cant do the missions in heroic or legendary.i don know why its so hard

What about striker build. When is lexinton releasing again

[harsh crest]

Anyone combined Tinkerer with hotshot set,yet? 3p ? 4p?

[obtuse crystal]

19th

[rocky cape]

is a good build?

[worn elbow]

I would use another weapon instead of that exotic

[karmic tide]

Combat medic.

[hexed steppe]

bluescreen yes, vile definitely not. damage wise its outclassed by coyote.. you would need to be running glass to have the vile ticks be anywhere near useful.
OD is run like a dps rather than a status build.

[sudden cloak]

Is that nightwatcher?

[karmic tide]

Yeah

[surreal condor]

Do y’all prefer gunner or sharpshooter for the EB?

[sudden cloak]

I like the idea of the build, a few changes I'd make is put on scorpio and lean into some status effects, I'd also lose picaros, for 1pc Golan, same with nightwatcher that 100% scanner pulse haste isn't really needed and I think it'd be more beneficial for you go with chill out mask and rock double pfe mods with status effects as the attribute

[worn elbow]

Golden combat medic build

[karmic tide]

I’ve tried exactly what you suggested lol. It’s where I started with the build. I didn’t like my dmg output and I’m using the pulse purely because I find random teams seem to operate better when people can see all the enemies. If I can just keep my team in the mix then I’ve done my job. Bullet king is so I don’t have to worry about reloading and can lay down lead showers for suppression.

[sudden cloak]

I'd probably run gunner

[sudden cloak]

Your build is that of a combat medic, you aren't meant to do big dmg number

[karmic tide]

I think I covered that

[surreal condor]

Cool thanks

[karmic tide]

It’s really tailored to my exact playstyle. I don’t expect anyone else to use it but it’s a fun idea I think

[sudden cloak]

I use a very similar build in legendary, but I run that build with specific groups though, if I'm with randoms then I switch to a dps build

[karmic tide]

lol I get that 100%

[rich lotus]

Hey, I have a question, is there any build for the Eagle Bearer weapon? to be proposed for pvp

[rapid arrow]

Trash or cash? (Returning player)

[summer arrow]

TY for that I will look into it

[worn elbow]

Works well but technician spec with the laser attachment makes it more better

[sudden cloak]

I'd go with a piece of ceska over grupo

[meager fog]

Chameleon is an awekward weapon to use. TOo much to juggle and too many stacks to try and keep count of, plus not enough enemies normally to even get stacks up

St Elmos, Police m4, Famas, F2000 all better ARs

[rapid arrow]

Noted!

[rapid arrow]

I only keep track of the body shots to get that extra 90 percent damage. But I'll grind to get the other and test them out

[worn elbow]

This my build I have been using for a while used along during the 3x xp event

For weapons you can use exotics or other good ar

[meager fog]

It's basic, it's Strikers, it slaps.

Capable of all content

[rapid arrow]

Bett. I need to grind for that mask I heard it's good. Got a lot of work to do 😅

[worn elbow]

Both of these builds right here are very good so good luck

[meager fog]

^Aim for that, you can't go wrong. Elmos is hitting 800k+ regularly. And if anyone gets too close the Cold Relations will give them 1m+ slaps that will make them wish they took a sick day

[rapid arrow]

Awesome. Thanks for the advice my man

[subtle bluff]

God you and that smg...

[solar sable]

cold smg

[sudden cloak]

The Apartment and backfire are my personal favs

😎

[meager fog]

I don't know what you mean 🥶 ❄️

[subtle bluff]

Still most underrated SMG.

[sudden cloak]

Special mention of the M1928 I think that's the name of it

[leaden acorn]

It slaps now with the tinkerer m1928 with measured/killer, hunters fury matador 1.9mil with still 2 blue cores on. with golden bulliet up to 2.2mil my fav smg now 😃

[lilac root]

T821 > *

[violet juniper]

That's the mini vector right

[merry nest]

Best sniper for pve hotshot build?

[subtle bluff]

Yes?

[sudden cloak]

Any of them work, but model 700, white death and sr-1 i believe are the most used

[meager fog]

heh heh heh

[subtle bluff]

Gonna get out my blue hotshot for you

[wicked igloo]

What is diff between HB all red and strikers all red? You go HB to have some armor no? But if you go all red you lose that right

[wicked igloo]

Oh okay, it got me confused haha

[smoky moss]

just keep in mind, on HB, this talent even if it doesn't say in description, has a cooldown on gaining armor.. so you can stack it up to A LOT of bonus armor but it will deteriorate and you will be on cooldown if you filled up your HB buff for I think about 10 seconds before you can regenerate armor again. The talent kind of makes it sound too good to be true.

[subtle bluff]

It's not a CD....

[cerulean smelt]

heartbreaker is pretty much Div 1 Striker but with bonus armor and needing to pulse your targets via headshots or Techinician Link Laser pointer where you aim down sight and pulse your targets or if you want NIghtwatcher mask and pulse skill

[smoky moss]

what is it? the duration of the HB buff?

[subtle bluff]

Read the talent again. When adding stack you get bonus armor. If you stop making stacks you don't gain bonus armor.

[smoky moss]

ah right.. that's why it doesn't generate.. you need to lose stacks to gain armor

[subtle bluff]

aka: you have to lose stack to make stacks

[smoky moss]

still hate it 🙂

[cerulean smelt]

bozzified ignoring my question in community chat (> <)

[subtle bluff]

You're not suppose to tank shots. It's a buffer to help you stay in the fight.

[smoky moss]

wait where?

[cerulean smelt]

ask-td2-community

signs i'll have to go farm up a striker build to ready myself with new season

[smoky moss]

new season will be interesting.. the sniper looks promising if i can figure out how the whole tier system works.. I'm pretty sure it's bugged.

[subtle bluff]

eh.. keeping track of what ads are what isn't worth

[cerulean smelt]

i tried, not a fan. still rather have my cheat determined chainkiller combo

[smoky moss]

I loved watching @onyx sage rock the Mantis and headhunter without determined in master manhunt.. I have to play more with snipers in general.. determined just spoils you

[cerulean smelt]

i didn't bother to try the new brandset or named items lol ooops

[wind sierra]

What are the countdown builds nowadays or is it still the same strikers and cc supports

[cerulean smelt]

if you're going in challenging, i haven't known people getting booted for bad builds, but strikers definitely helps along with CC builds

[smoky moss]

i honestly don't really want to play PTS a lot.. I just wanted to check it out briefly so I'm not diving into new season like a total blueberry.. but I don't really want to spoil or get bored from new stuff ahead of time. Especially since they will almost certainly adjust things too.

[cerulean smelt]

do love the exotic pistol O_O

[pale crown]

I find that people on youtube hype up weird builds so much...as a newer player it gets kinda confusing...I just did heroic level content without much effort with all red...so it turns out knowledge and experience in the game matters more than any particular meta build lol XD

[subtle bluff]

Content Creators.

[wind sierra]

When the meta basically never changes its kinda hard to make actual different good builds

[cerulean smelt]

hopefully you weren't around when just about every new player came here asking "how to get yaahl?" because they made a video to not bleed with 4 strikers, Yaahl piece with backire SMG
Edit: forgot to mention the weapon yaahl was being used for in the build

[subtle bluff]

there are plenty of good builds out there.

[wind sierra]

How does max stack no bleed bf even work or is the description lying again

[shy willow]

You bleed for every stack gained

When you reach max stacks you're not gaining any so you don't bleed

[subtle bluff]

one of 2 ways

[wind sierra]

So desc lying 🗿 or build tool is using wrong desc

[subtle bluff]

no

[subtle bluff]

Adds stacks.

When you're not adding stacks...

[wind sierra]

Implies current not new

[subtle bluff]

It's like a adding water to a cup. Once it's overflowing nothing new is happening to the cup...

[wind sierra]

Div 2 wording go brr anyway it stacks carth right

[subtle bluff]

It's a bleed

[wind sierra]

Bleed is damage

[sudden cloak]

Once you proc the bleed for 100 stacks you will no longer proc bleed on reload with backfire

[subtle bluff]

bad wording there..

[wind sierra]

Div 2 wording is good wdym (sarcasm)

[subtle bluff]

Well it's understanding stacks

[cerulean smelt]

wait until retaliation comes into play and the wording there (> <)

[subtle bluff]

at 100 stacks you're not adding stacks anymore

[wind sierra]

Can't be worse then when HB dropped and none of the damage types they used made any sense

[subtle bluff]

dunno what you mean by that.

[wind sierra]

And the description implies current stacks

[cerulean smelt]

so you'd rather backfire at 100 stacks we reload and take bleeding damage?

[wind sierra]

I'd rather they fix the wording 🗿

[sudden cloak]

They fix the wording and we might bleed on every reload even at 100 stacks

[subtle bluff]

At least you're not trying to figure out what TWD and what AMP dmg.

It's worded well enough.

If you care enough go create a bug ticket.

[wind sierra]

What

[subtle bluff]

lol exactly.

[wind sierra]

Is the wording still inconsistent there 😭

[cerulean smelt]

it's confusing for new players who reads it and scratches their head on why do we have this? but it's well enough for others to look and understand how it works in general

[wind sierra]

Twd is additive to itself and multiplicative to others amp is multiplic to itself and others thank you for coming to my tedtalk

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 how many people you think is going to come here asking how the stretch goals work and how to get the lexington?

[wind sierra]

At least 1

[cerulean smelt]

i'm disappointed with the exotic bit. 40% on chatterbox really?!

i would've been happy if they made it 40% Exotic Component

[subtle bluff]

No.

Wait

Nvm ya you got it

[tropic solar]

can i reasonably use whatever weapon archetype i want with a tink OD build? neither tink nor OD is really dependent on rof, right?

[cerulean smelt]

just as long as your 2 weapons are the same type

[tropic solar]

i know, just making sure its not a dumb idea to run rifles with it

im getting tired of always running lmg/smg lol

[cerulean smelt]

think most people go LMG because of Carnage having Perfect Sadist on it which gives some extra damage i believe?

[tropic solar]

that doesnt work, cant use named weapons with tink

[subtle bluff]

by number funny enough m249 with Sadist had a higher burst DPS anyways.

[tropic solar]

ive been running lmg's with it, just tired of doing that

[subtle bluff]

Lost you're confusing it a bit

[cerulean smelt]

no, but just saying that's why people go LMG for it in general

[tropic solar]

for OD? yeah that makes sense, im just going for OD AND tink, so cant use named weapons

[subtle bluff]

OD doesn't care about RoF because the talent doesn't need to stack anything

Tinkerer is a different story

It was a 2 part question that wasn't asked in 2 parts.

[cerulean smelt]

can go 2 MMR if you wanted (> <)

[tropic solar]

now why is OD backpack always recommended and not chest? youd think the flat damage boost would be better, but maybe ceska/grupo is more valuable overall? or does backpack bleed damage also boost initial hit or something?

[tropic solar]

eh im not gonna go that low rof, ill use those with hotshot

[cerulean smelt]

think the backpack increases the amped damage doesn't it?

[wind sierra]

People rec od bp? Wadafak

[wind sierra]

+50% bleed chest is 50% amp

[hexed steppe]

its reccomended to use the chest and not the bag... where did that come from?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, just looked at the sheet, got them mixed up lol

[tropic solar]

the spreadsheet lol, they all use backpack and no chest

[hexed steppe]

the bleed damage is irrelevant on OD

[tropic solar]

every build on the spreadsheet uses the backpack and not the chest

[hexed steppe]

ill look into that.. there is a reason its always suggested with vigilance/wicked/unstoppable force and coyote

[cerulean smelt]

which sheet you looking at?

[tropic solar]

oh ignore me, i was looking at negotiators dilemma...

[cerulean smelt]

(> <)

[hexed steppe]

dont worry, we figure this stuff out quick regardless

[cerulean smelt]

so, what's the sadist combo with tinkerer? pressure point? or someting else?

[tropic solar]

ye

im gonna do that with a couple rifles and see how it is

[cerulean smelt]

i gotta go farm up a striker build with ceska chest and obliterate 😭 not going to be fun

[tropic solar]

then again, i aint got a decent 2nd rifle and crafting seems like a waste for trying to get useable rolls

[hexed steppe]

your second rifle is also irrelevant on tinkerer

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say it doesn't matter. just take any rifle with the other talent you want

[tropic solar]

true

that is fair

[cerulean smelt]

from what i've read, even if you swap to 2nd weapon the talent doesn't carry over to the off weapon

[wind sierra]

Yeah only first slot gets bridge

[tropic solar]

too bad i need chest and not backpack, happened to get perfect backpack when i farmed it out lol

[subtle bluff]

I don't understand why everyone is putting on the same weapon and not just the same type for trinkerer..

[tropic solar]

probably just misunderstood the flavor text

[cerulean smelt]

maybe crafting is easier for them to obtain to start off with maybe?

[subtle bluff]

😶

[hexed steppe]

ya got me? itll be figured out eventually. im more a keep it simple, use what you got

[cerulean smelt]

or under the assumption for Div 1 veterans thinking we were able to swap weapons with alphabridge and it'd still carry the 2nd talent to the other weapon

[hexed steppe]

luckily i spend enough time as a nego main i have cqb and classics with most useful talents already

[cerulean smelt]

what you going to put the Tempest on build wise?

[hexed steppe]

even then you really used your main. a lot of times you would use a lower tiered weapon to unlock certain talents easier

no idea, idk what tempest is at this point

between golden bullet and bf6 beta there wasnt a chance in hell that i was gonna be participating in pts

[cerulean smelt]

ah, exotic pistol for next season. Full auto firing. your shield breaks you get 25% damage

[hexed steppe]

gonna need that full auto to compensate for the disorient you face when shield breaks

[tropic solar]

ive got you in my sights

thatll fix it

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i've tried it out and i feel it still works well without the shield breaking bit. i need to farm up a good striker build for it honestly. what i had was a ceska mask and grupo chest and it was working wonderfully

[hexed steppe]

its not gonna unseat anything. its still gonna be regulus, blb, harvest determined, or tdi kard for utility

[tropic solar]

+25% doesnt seem like a lot for a pistol

[cerulean smelt]

oh definitely, but it might be a PVP gun

[hexed steppe]

its an amp, so like putting glass on, but such a short duration

maybe pvp, yeah. probably right

[cerulean smelt]

them cheaters will be like "please break my shield so i can just down you instantly"

[hexed steppe]

but do shields get used in pvp?

[cerulean smelt]

probably not, but probably now it will?

[hexed steppe]

doubt

maybe itll show up broken strong and boost skill damage or something like busy bee when it first released

them were good days, when blb put your damage way past what capacitor could do on your turret/drones

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, think i remember reading that but they patched it by the time i learned of it lol

though in the PTS the shield breaking and recharge was rather quickly so maybe 🤔

[hexed steppe]

man how was that almost 3 years ago?! 👴

[cerulean smelt]

getting old like me huh?

[hexed steppe]

yeah, no doubts there

i think i had a sniper turret hitting like 15-17mil with that b unintended feature

[cerulean smelt]

next season is starting to make me wish i was in an active clan. would be intersting to see 4 man squads tackling the retaliation modes

[hexed steppe]

are you in a lead spot in the current?

[cerulean smelt]

nods because i made the clan solo. 4-5 accounts to make it wasn't it? lol

[sudden cloak]

Yes they do in specific cases

[cerulean smelt]

not sure if it'd be optimal to have 3 in DC, 1 NY/Brooklyn getting their meters full for 1 faction then just stop 1 short of getting the retaliation then all band together and do that 1 last event and go into the retaliations

[hexed steppe]

i would open that up so direct join is possible, slowly replacing inactives as you fill

[sudden cloak]

People will run firewall shield with custom m870 with brazen on it, pull out the shield shoot once and quickly put it away

[cerulean smelt]

oh brazen will transfer to another weapon?

[sudden cloak]

If using tinkerer probably, most of my dz experience is on Xbox, just stacking amp dmg from firewall shield and brazen together

[hexed steppe]

that works, people will find ways to circumvent anything 💯

i doubt i woulda thought of that

[sudden cloak]

My armor gets deleted in like 1 shot lol, but before brazen came along they just used optimist

[cerulean smelt]

least it's just your armor, me i get deleted no matter what lol

[sudden cloak]

I'm practically dead at that point anyways

[cerulean smelt]

ohhhh 🤔 never wondered, but pvp might be full of them active talent that brings you down to 1hp

just think 3 people run up to your squad with this active and you're close to all 3 lol

think that supposedly does damage wehn it goes off, but you get armor for each enemy hit for it or something

[sudden cloak]

Doubt they'll be active in dz ot conflict

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i doubt conflict, just wasn't sure if modifiers is part of dz

[hexed steppe]

are the current modifiers active in dz?

[cerulean smelt]

i didn't go check honestly, would've been hard to tell anyways because the modifiers with the triangle, circle, square was still active, including them being overhealed

[sudden cloak]

I'd highly doubt they are, it'd quite literally be all over yt

Modifier this dz build, Modifier that dz build

[cerulean smelt]

i dunno, some YT CC likes to keep it to themselves anyways lol

[hexed steppe]

Become a PVP god with this build

[sudden cloak]

Thanks to seasonal modifiers

[cerulean smelt]

least the 7th journey is a hell of a lot easier to accomplish

[sudden cloak]

True

[cerulean smelt]

complete the 1-6 journeys (> <)

[solar sable]

man, I just did 9 scouts in three hours 😆
never again.

[cerulean smelt]

next season

[solar sable]

fk next seasons

[cerulean smelt]

you'll be busy with BF 6 (> <)

[sudden cloak]

I'm lazy, ill do bare minimum for the climax mission

[solar sable]

I'm only doing this season's scouts for Tinkerer

[cerulean smelt]

i forsee tempest being climax mission exotic

[solar sable]

my xbox one ain't compatible with BF 6 😔

[cerulean smelt]

i was teasing ya

[solar sable]

I hate being broke

[cerulean smelt]

buy a new xbox that can play bf6?

[solar sable]

nah I'm out of xbox if I get to buy a new gen console

[sudden cloak]

Sorry to hear that

[sudden cloak]

Just buy a series S then

[solar sable]

it's still xbox lol

[sudden cloak]

Cheaper than the X, and wayyyy cheaper than the ps5

And well, significantly cheaper than a pc

[cerulean smelt]

only xbox i owned was a black horizontal brick but mostly wanted to use it for media playing on tv kind of thing

[pale crown]

lol black horizontal brick is my new name for xbox thanku XD

[hexed steppe]

last time i did anything serious on a console, it was playing golden eye 👴 .. been pc ever since 💯

[hazy steeple]

ps3 for me, I think that was around Skyrim time.

its kinda funny that Strikers is the stealth-archer build of div2.

[cerulean smelt]

think this was before appletv/smart tvs with the good streaming apps on it? but i never got around to using it as a media server just collected dust

oh the other xbox i owned was the 360

[tropic solar]

what are peoples favorite high end rifles?

[vestal marlin]

Is it worth switching the punch drunk in my high end determine 1886 build for tinkerer? And, if so, what second taken would be worth using along with it?

[cerulean smelt]

@hexed steppe did you see this?

at level 1 it was 2 skill tiers. at 2 it looked like it'd go upto 3 skill tiers

[hexed steppe]

i used rifleman with determined, chained body shots keeps rifleman proc active

[cerulean smelt]

how'd it fair?

[vestal marlin]

Thanks!

rifleman requires body shots?

[hexed steppe]

it does well, especially during golden bullet. i got way too much handling so dude looks like hes breaking fingers reloading

[hexed steppe]

no, headshots. but the determined chained shots count body as head 😉

[cerulean smelt]

woudln't it be great if they added the hollywood spinning the gun reload for that event and gun?

[hexed steppe]

im gonna swap some stuff around to work in breaking point for more damage, but i kinda like the handling ngl

[cerulean smelt]

was going to say, don't you keep the handling, then looked again and was like wait, nm

[peak crest]

Tips for A dedicated support build using the "Clock" knee pads.

[subtle bluff]

sorry what? Taking other stats away using a this named gear isn't a good tip.

[peak crest]

I was not giving A tip I was asking for tips. 😐 and I find not getting killed as A medic is not A bad ideal.

[subtle bluff]

So that was a question without a ?

[peak crest]

Ya. people make mistakes... no one is perfect...

[subtle bluff]

that's fine... Just checking either way. So what your question exactly?

[peak crest]

Just like what brand/sets are best for A (healing/reviving) support build. what attributes should I focus on. never really made A support build so not really my domain.

[solar sable]

it needs more capital A's

[dreamy valve]

I’ve found using Tinkerer with it affected very little in the way of performance, as you would already be reaching the damage threshold for one shotting npcs even without it

With Tinkerer locked to chc and chd attributes, you are also losing the extra hsd and handling that you would normally would want to use on a head gear for this type of build

[subtle bluff]

Not when it comes with HH

[dreamy valve]

I’ve since switch out Tinkerer for more untility options that directly benefit me more in situations where the determined and hh combo cannot easily solve since switching out Tinkerer also frees up the secondary weapon slot. This has boosted both my weapon damage and headshot damage incidentally, and has improved my upfront start up kills for getting HH to proc a bit easier

[hazy steeple]

Punch Drunk seems like an odd choice outside of that HSD boost, for an 1886 setup.

[shy willow]

On a high end setup I see it otherwise it's eh

[hazy steeple]

I mean I guess, but a high-end rifle determined setup seems like you're just trying to be fancy at that point.

[vestal marlin]

I use regulus too

[shy willow]

Leaves room for dch and foxes and stuff

[dreamy valve]

I’ve tried 3pc zwiadowka like Local Deck, but I found the extra handling and 1 round of ammo wasn’t really that needed, pretty much a slight QoL, so I stuck with 3pc Break Point

[shy willow]

I use zwia myself just feels nicer

[hazy steeple]

I don't like to use the pistol versions, but fair-fair.

[dreamy valve]

Zwia does feel good, but I have liked the easier HH procs on the earlier shots a bit more

[shy willow]

I use DCH to start chains to solve it tbh

[subtle bluff]

2x Zwia, Chainkiller, 2x breaking and fox's

[subtle bluff]

that's what I do

[dreamy valve]

I’ve thought about Nemesis, but sticking to Ravenous for getting rid of robots a bit easier, heavies if I dont have determined stored

Everything on my build feeds into rifle, as I prefer to keep my gameplay streamlined with weapon switching as a last resort

But my favorite weapon this past season has still been the Mosquito

That thing is an anti Armour beast that still does great damage

[cerulean smelt]

so you'll definitely use that tank passive next season huh?

i definitely enjoy it. was exclusively on PTS to figure things out but had someone ask me about expertise so i jumped on normal division 2 to see how i can help them and was expecting that tank modifier and was like "oh right that's pts still"

unfortunately it doesn't work on black tusk chungas 😭 hope they add them in for that

[dreamy valve]

That flash bang grenade range someone screenshot posted in the pts channel was hilarious btw

Double edge sword of them not really addressing or listening to player feedback during pts, we get to enjoy some ridiculous broken gameplay for a bit on the live servers

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i think that was madbomber and the passive in 1

[hexed steppe]

that handling tho 😎

[cerulean smelt]

OHHHH, you win the secret prize!

[hexed steppe]

i tried doing 2 zwai, 2 breaking, foxs, tinkerer making zwai my chest and bag and the damages were very close either way, was just slower reload so i stuck with handling. qol is better. not sure why the 10-20%hsd/8%handling you lose while using tinkerer is considered a huge loss. in my case with tinkerer, im adding up to 50% wd from rifleman to offset

[dreamy valve]

The differences are indeed petty enough to not really matter and it just comes down to player preference at this point as this broken talent combo does all the heavy lifting after all is said and done

[hexed steppe]

no doubt

[outer herald]

What works the best with Tinkerer for super 90

[crystal token]

a lot of the shotgun builds I've seen were pummel and i think brazen or streamline

[cerulean smelt]

i would've thought brazen and streamline

[crystal token]

Yep that's a good combo too if no skills

[subtle bluff]

Brazen is top forsure the rest depends on how your build and game play is gonna with it.
There is no best overall.

[crystal token]

Anyone got builds for the Vindicator and Ravenous?
trying to see what I would need to farm

[cerulean smelt]

i think vindicator was dead on arrival, sounded neat at first but got it and was disappointed kind of thing

[crystal token]

pretty sure they changed the damage amp on it too

[subtle bluff]

Both a niche weapon with niche talents.

They did change it a lil but it's just pita to use correct the whole time vs using OD build that give now the same amount of AMP

[cerulean smelt]

ravenous is mostly used in IH tanking isn't it? for the guy in the middle where the room gets hot?

[subtle bluff]

Rav talent is only good when it's to proc of armor plates.

[urban latch]

Tanking in IH, breaking weak points in DH, it's also really good at killing dogs with the explosive stacks

[crystal token]

ok so what im hearing is make a build for rav and not the vindicator at all

[subtle bluff]

no neither is worth it.

Rav is anything be a 2nd weapon in a built for armor plated units

[cerulean smelt]

but if you want 1 or both i'd say go for it and hopefully you find a way to use both in normal circumstances

[grizzled garnet]

🤔 any specific reason it shreds dawgs or just "it does"

[urban latch]

They are weak to explosive damage

[cerulean smelt]

except merciless explosions right? (> <)

[urban latch]

You just hit 5 right shots, and the switch, and they will die

Also the way the elites health works out in raids, 5/1 will generally kill raid elites, so it's honestly really solid for ad clear. I basically use it the entire fight on razorback to clear everything

[urban latch]

It used to be OP in year 1 doing the same thing lol

[grizzled garnet]

🤔 might try throwing together a chc chd rifle build

[subtle bluff]

Best DPS rifle Build is OD

[grizzled garnet]

Huh?!?!

Link pls >->

Imma guess sadist and wicked

[subtle bluff]

yup

4pc OD, Trinkerer and Ceska Wicked

[cerulean smelt]

tinkerer, wicked, sadist and whatever flavor of extra damage you want i'd say XD

[grizzled garnet]

-> but imma be using ravenous

So... coyotes?

[subtle bluff]

rav is not a good DPS weapon

read above what Raucey mentioned

[cerulean smelt]

oh, i wonder.
NBB, 3 True Patriot, 1 Grupo was it? and 1 china as demo with ravenous for main weapon or merciless. would that increase the explosive damage? (> <)

[shy willow]

Rav doesn't scale with explosive damage

I don't think merciless/ruthless do either

[cerulean smelt]

didn't think so, but would be hilarious to see rav/merciless explosions, then true patriot explosion at some other point

[grizzled garnet]

I am aware. Thats why ill use an m1a as a main weapon and rav as an alternate

[subtle bluff]

Rav can be used on any build it doesn't really matter when it's being used for taking down armor plated stuff

[mellow flint]

ah crap, i dont have a ceska bag w wicked for OD

hopefully i can up my chd with grupo