td2-build-advice

[strong cave]

Sadly, that's basically the only good pistol build. Apart from headhunter's fury

[unborn olive]

I'm suddenly reminded of the Bee shield from Borderlands, and how it could help with pistol builds. Good times.

[strong cave]

Why mad bomber chest talent?

Choosing not to take obliterate leaves you with a whopping 20% WD on the table

You'd get better results with this setup instead, just by simply going off of your build template

I chose Contractors + Fox's prayer bc of the DTOC/DTA rolls on the pieces. Ninjabike unlocks handling from 2pc Petrov bonus (1 + Ninjabike) and handling from 3pc Overlord bonus (2 + ninjabike). Prov is for HSD boost and the added CHC you'd be missing by not taking ceska. So taking providence was a no brainer. I then took Walker Harris for even more weapon damage and the added 5% more damage to armored enemies. Stacks well with Contractors. St Elmo's has a weapon handling mod, making an already accurate gun even more accurate and snappy. The handling attributes also Helps out LMG's and rifles. Can throw any AR/LMG/Rifle on this build and in theory it should perform. Wouldn't recommend this as you're trading up so many bonuses and talents for performance attributes. Striker/Heartbreaker/Hotshot gets the job done much quicker

[tiny compass]

What's the best headshot build atm?

[hoary sail]

hotshot, there is one in the spreadsheet

[tired falcon]

ongoing directive, negotiator, umbra, and if truly bored with these try Pestilence with true patriot

[coral reef]

Morning agents! have you found out yet an actual use for the Catalyst mask? as in, an use that actually replaces Coyote's or Vile?

[violet juniper]

Vile sucks, coyote doesn't

[coral reef]

So you're saying that Catalyst is better than Vile on a crowd control build? because it isnt. I've been reading everywhere and it seems that no one has found an actual good use for the Catalyst mask.

[rare field]

any tips on hunter fury build with backfire and coyote

does it need blue cores or just red cores , imean theres armor and healthj on kill

[patent fossil]

Why coyote? Most HF builds run with high end chest and backpack or memento.
The number of blue to red cores is generally up to personal taste and how good you are at mitigating incoming damage with good positioning and battlefield awareness

[rare field]

ohh isee

[tired falcon]

I suggest you start with a general purpose HF & Memento loadout, 2 blue cores. Get used to the short range HF requires in order to get the buffs.
Once you have a "feel" for it, then change things up and experiment.
Something like a sokolov vest with Obliterate + HF + Memento is more than good enough for anything at heroic level or easier.
If using backfire then don't bother with hazard protection, you don't really need it

[rare field]

ill try that 2 blue cores with memento right now im using ceska wit obliterate

[tired falcon]

that's fine; the chest piece doesn't really matter; at heroic or easier you're not going to see any real difference between ceska/grupo/sokolov vest with obliterate

[rare field]

whats the skills to be used in this buiild i usually use shield and reviver

[tired falcon]

revive hive and shield is fine. For legendary you typically wouldn't use a shield as enemy dmg destroys it in seconds. Legendary/master difficulty requires using skills that help you flank and close in on enemies. Like using decoy, foam chem launcher, banshee pulse.
There are ways to use a shield and get in close with HF.

For example if you use the technician specialization for the artificer hive, and use a backpack with the safeguard talent you can keep the shield up for a long time, even with just 2 blue cores

[rare field]

alright thnx alot , as of the moment idont have the year 1 sspecializatiosn yet i use demolitionist

[cerulean smelt]

FYI: owning year 1 pass adds 50 stash space, plus you'll have the other 3 specialization unlocked but you'll still have to equip them and level them up to unlock their perks

[novel ember]

how is this mate

guys can you recommend best cc build for legendary

[hexed steppe]

most cc builds revolve around 4 pc eclipse protocol (including chest), eletrique piece , habsburg currier bag with perfect creeping death, status and haste rolls. foam and emp sticky/jammer/cc skill of choice

personally i run opportunistic bag over creeping bags on cc setups. but standard is with creeping bag to increase the foam hits radius

tbh, i rarely see cc in legendary. mor often its all dps or most dps with 1 healer. healers can be gamechangers imho

[patent fossil]

Foam in legendary is rarer but very good if you've got competent dpsers

[steady horizon]

I am running an LMG (iron lung) 4 piece True Patriot build w/ Unbreakable chest and Momento backpack

I got teh LMG up to 24% but it gets crushed up close in battles - what is a really good DZ build. I am sick of all the Regen/Big Horn builds everywhere, is tehre anything better

[novel ember]

ya i already have healer but wanted to try something different i saw build with firefly kinda fun mate

[hexed steppe]

the place where cc really shines the best is in countdown. imho ofc. i have a countdown version linked in my profile, its also on the sheet

[coral reef]

On The Spreadsheet? (TM) in that case I use your build

Thank you for your service 🫡

[hoary valve]

chatterbox build for pve with umbra gear

[worn elbow]

How’s the building looking?

[onyx sage]

very decent

i assume you know the backpack can be better

[worn elbow]

How much better?

The only problem is the weapon damage ngl

I’ll optimize it later

[hoary valve]

chatterbox build for pve with umbra gear for pve

[onyx sage]

the yellow should be a crit attribute

[worn elbow]

Got 2 crit chance on and status effect the yellow one

It will do for now

[onyx sage]

yeah

[wraith hornet]

What is your build with the highest DPS and how much is it?

[novel ember]

why they dont like to use vile exotic mask with eclipse build guys ??

[hoary sail]

MMR build, 28 millions

[coral reef]

I use it with Eclipse, with Demolitionist speciailization, so it amplifies the damage from Vile mask. And Courier backpack. And Scorpio ofc. It rocks.

[vestal ibex]

They do in the fire version, with fire walls 20% duration to burn nets you more damage than demo tho, also with EP backpack cause everyone reads talents right???(it amplifies your damage to status effected enemies by 30%). The CC version doesn't use it as you aren't doing the damage so extra CC via courier or extra team damage via a setup is best.

[novel ember]

can you send me this dm mate

[coral reef]

but i want them all to be on fire/bleed/confused/foam/blind NOW, not after the first one dies

[novel ember]

ohh this is why

[rich lotus]

Can anyone tell me a good pvp build??

[vestal ibex]

Yeah start with fire sticky and use cap, all that extra damage you do to them plus cap stacks will pay off WAY more.

[outer agate]

Would skill duration affect burn length from fire sticky bomb?

[subtle bluff]

bud it's in the gear speadsheet.

[vestal ibex]

No.

[outer agate]

Ok

[vestal ibex]

Skill duration for fire sticky makes the deployed skill sit where ever you shot it longer, same with fire chem, the cloud just sits there longer.

[pastel crane]

How much HazPro is needed for a Catalyst/Backfire/Hunter's Fury build? It's currently at 45%

[tulip charm]

you want status. Longer burn and more fire tick damage .

[vestal ibex]

Well on a fire EP build you'd typically go haste for mods on your gear. Status effect/skill damage for attributes.

[novel ember]

bro everything is in that sheet 😟 😟

[subtle bluff]

There's a good reason for that.

‎

[novel ember]

thanks mate

[hexed steppe]

None, considering backfire stops bleeding you after a couple reloads. It's actually worked like this forever but is becoming general knowledge with the recent buff.
Ofc you can still rock hazpro but you'll be trading damage potential for comfort

[wraith hornet]

28 ? WTF. What is MMR ?

[pastel crane]

Ah, I see. Fair enough

[subtle bluff]

Easy

[subtle bluff]

where did find the build for HF and Cata?

[hexed steppe]

I was seeing 145m on mmr with event on, and I'm sure that's not even top end

[subtle bluff]

because that means your using HF BP which in turn is less dmg.

[pastel crane]

I saw someone using it during a PUG run on Army Terminal

[subtle bluff]

HF BP isn't amazing you do less dmg. You could not run Cata and mess around with a BP talent that can do a lot for you

[hoary sail]

Snipers

[wraith hornet]

Ah ! Is not really DPS. Is just hit.

[subtle bluff]

I mean if you understand how to stack dmg......

[pastel crane]

Okay.

[subtle bluff]

🙃

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, not dps . Headhunter setup

[vestal ibex]

Moar damage moar betta.

[subtle bluff]

Damnit, you're still here!

[hexed steppe]

[subtle bluff]

brb while we still have GE

[hexed steppe]

-# new meme incoming

[wraith hornet]

Yes. My question is what is your build have the best DPS in 60sec

[tulip charm]

Yes

[vestal ibex]

None of that matters cause it's situational for the most part. Are you asking for a good damage build recommendation? Or do you have a specific task you want to accomplish like soloing a raid boss or something?

[hexed steppe]

Solid general use dps
4x striker with bag, ceska oblit chest , coyote mask
4 , ,

[outer agate]

so does burn duration not affect the burn length from fire sticky? the mods ive tried for burn duration dont actually change the number on the skill description

[subtle bluff]

grrrr you can use your emote I want to use those here. lol

[onyx sage]

the description numbers rarely change. we just take the actual measurements from real use

[outer agate]

so you wont see any change from the description numbers? thats kinda pointless lol so why have them

[onyx sage]

some things do change them like skill tier, not all of them

[subtle bluff]

Isn't it a different stats that we can't acutally see.

[wraith hornet]

No. Is just test for see what is best DPS in mono target.

[onyx sage]

"mono target" is the situation he's asking you to provide

[subtle bluff]

Since for Sticky it's the actually sticky duration that it's showing and not burn

[onyx sage]

the exact situation changes what builds will give you the "best DPS in 60 sec"

[coral reef]

but that is not DPS. That is just one shot. Or is it 50 million per hit?

[subtle bluff]

After taking a look. 2 different duration.

A Burn and just a Duration.

[vestal ibex]

I mean outside of the GE, solo you'll hit is about 30 mil with HE MMRs, and like 63 mil with nem. Alpha damage is just a separate thing so I wouldn't consider it when talking DPS.

[outer agate]

thanks? i think?

[outer agate]

so the burn duration increase from firewall does make the burn from fire sticky longer?

[onyx sage]

yes

[subtle bluff]

No. The Burn from it

[onyx sage]

...which is yes?

[outer agate]

lol idk either

[subtle bluff]

Burn Duration
Skill/Sticky Duration

[onyx sage]

that's what the question is about right?

i don't think they asked about sticky duration at all

[outer agate]

i didnt im talking about burn duration

idk what hes talking about

[onyx sage]

he's probably asking to clarify if you meant the sticky duration or burn duration.

sticky duration is how long the sticky lasts on the target if you don't blow it up

[outer agate]

yea i know i specifically said burn duration lol people just dont read

[onyx sage]

but i didn't see any indication that you asked about it yeah

burn duration buffs are hard to show because they're affected by so many stats (burn duration from firewall, exuro, the status effects total). i imagine the skill description screen doesn't factor in all of these and just the bonuses from skill mods

[outer agate]

yea i know but it should imo

[onyx sage]

just like how the damage numbers in the inventory doesn't show your actual damage

[subtle bluff]

You were asking about this.

[outer agate]

im not talking about the mod

[subtle bluff]

You said it here....

[sudden cloak]

[outer agate]

i alrdy figured out that issue. im not talking about that anymore

[sudden cloak]

Then what are you on about now

[subtle bluff]

I mean you keep asking about Sticky Duration. Why I'm trying to answer it.

[outer agate]

i was talking about thre BURN duration from fire sticky

not the duration of sticky itself

[onyx sage]

i think i know the reason for the confusion

[wraith hornet]

I don't understand your question. The headhunter can do 25M per hit but after this hit on a boss, the back becomes bad.

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't show us to be simple like avg player said.

[onyx sage]

this only shows sticky duration

[subtle bluff]

I said that already!!!!

[onyx sage]

but sir, i'm the louder kid in class

[subtle bluff]

Yea you are

[sudden cloak]

😂

[onyx sage]

(no i don't i get pulled out the back to get bullied)

[onyx sage]

yes, this is not dps

[sudden cloak]

Status effects would increase the burn duration, all the mods do is increase how long the sticky stays attached to the target before breaking

[onyx sage]

headhunter isn't measured with dps like striker is for example

[outer agate]

ok ive been trying to see what i can do, if anything to make my ep build better but i think its at the peak lol

[sudden cloak]

I'm not a skill, build person myself, just know enough, all I have is FI and oxi

[subtle bluff]

I posted "BiS" for it

[wraith hornet]

Striker is probably the best but I wanted to know if anyone had found better

[subtle bluff]

‎

How you use weapons can help too but that's up to the player.

[onyx sage]

again it goes back to the "situation". if your gunfight lasts indefinitely long yes striker is the best. but no gunfight lasts indefinitely long

[coral reef]

i'm uploading a picture of my Eclipse Protocol build later so you guys can bully it, with Vile Mask + Courier. 😱 I've tried the one with the EP Backpack and Mask + electrique backpack but i find this one to be way more fun to play (???)

[subtle bluff]

Why not EP BP?

[outer agate]

thts basically the build im using. the only diff is im using snow machine knees

[onyx sage]

snow machine increases damage to your fps, so true

[outer agate]

lol

[wraith hornet]

In legendary, certain fights can last a very long time

[coral reef]

please don't joke you're a serious source of information here, is this true?

[onyx sage]

no fight in legendary lasts longer than 5 minutes if you know what you're doing

and those longest fights are only a handful

[onyx sage]

yeah the snow effect can be taxing lol

[coral reef]

Because I want to spread all the status effects right this instant. I don't want to activate them after the first guy dies

[outer agate]

good thing im on console lol

[wraith hornet]

5 minutes is a long time

[subtle bluff]

If you want more DMG this would be more.

but less jumping around

[onyx sage]

if you have a lot of ads, headhunter still deals with them

if you have only 1 target, headhunter is useless and striker is better

either of these can be 5 minutes, but it doesn't change the answer

[outer agate]

would that be more dmg for weapons and skills i assume

[subtle bluff]

You understand how much 30% amp is right?

because that's on transfer too.

[onyx sage]

there are ways to make the first target die fast. it's more about after the first target dying, you're benefitting more from the other targets taking more damage, so the EP backpack is stronger

[subtle bluff]

Let me put it this way.
EP BP talent uptime is whenever you have a status effect out doing something.
Courier is only once ever w/e the CD is up.

[outer agate]

so the glass cannon would apply to skill damage too?

[onyx sage]

yes

[wraith hornet]

This is a dialogue of the deaf 🤣🤣. The bass question was to know what is your build with the highest DPS.

[outer agate]

would tht change be worth it?

[onyx sage]

you're equally deaf in not clarifying what situation you're in, because the answer changes with the situation

"what car goes the fastest" depends on the terrain, weather condition, etc

[subtle bluff]

Remember you'll be losing this.

[coral reef]

you have convinced me. I will give it a fair shot to the EP backpack later tonight.

[outer agate]

im aware hence why i asked if its worth it

[subtle bluff]

TBH idk. I didn't do it during my EP phase.

[onyx sage]

even legendary has situations where either striker or headhunter will excel. you have to clarify exactly what fight you're in. that's how you get down to just ONE build. if you don't then you'll have to accept that multiple builds fit the criterion you set

[wraith hornet]

I don't have a particular situation actually. I'm just curious. I don't need advice but I wanted to know what the community had come up with as a build.

[subtle bluff]

one sec let me go in game and mess with it

[worn elbow]

Fellas for the directive build I just a got a incredible bluescreen

Almost godroll

[onyx sage]

then you know that the legendary meta has multiple builds, but they mostly boil down to headhunter's fury and striker (even these have variants, this gets less rigorous and more preference-based)

[subtle bluff]

Here. Left is normal EP build > Right that Chest I posted.

[outer agate]

so about 60k more dmg

[subtle bluff]

it'd be more with the right stats and PGC

[wraith hornet]

If you know that I know this answer, you also know that it is not what I am looking for. Meta is not a discovery. I am here precisely to discover things that I would not have thought of or seen. 😉

[subtle bluff]

It's missing 20 Stats Effect

[worn elbow]

How can I farm hyenas tactical material

If it’s farmble

[kindred mango]

What content are you using EP for btw? Sorry if I missed it above

[loud pine]

secret meta is mortar build

[onyx sage]

mortar and oxi are also used yeah

[novel ember]

i have this bag but with armor and repair skills amd crit

[subtle bluff]

General PvE I think

[outer agate]

generic challenging/heroic stuff no raid or icursions

[onyx sage]

seekers too 🤯

[loud pine]

burster firefly + concussion 🤯

[onyx sage]

I am here precisely to discover things that I would not have thought of or seen.

then what are you doing here? gatekeeping?

[novel ember]

this chest is uni bro we cant do it xd

[subtle bluff]

Wasn't for you.

If you didn't read the context this applies for.

[coral reef]

tell us more

i thought it was the infinite seeker mines build

[onyx sage]

there are a few fights in leg where mortar is genuinely meta

mostly group though

[kindred mango]

Nice. I have a nice little “hybrid” of the fire/cc versions that I like specifically for Countdown if you want to give it a shot. Vile, The Setup, Survivalist spec. Jammer pulse + another skill. Usually do fire stick or foam

[wraith hornet]

for discovery and sharing ?

[outer agate]

i can take a look at it at least

[onyx sage]

then what do you mean by "meta is not a discovery"?

[subtle bluff]

I'm lost here with that too

[outer agate]

id prolly use the electrique chest with glass cannon

[wraith hornet]

The meta is not discovery yes because all player play that

[subtle bluff]

Give it all a shot and report back!

[coral reef]

we are here to explore life outside of striker+elmo

[kindred mango]

It’s very fun. Puts a lot of status effect marks on enemies which gets your team to pay attention to what you’re hitting

[onyx sage]

meta does not mean common, lol

do all players play dodge city headshot striker?

[outer agate]

i usually just run riot foam and fire sticky and foam all hunters lol

[coral reef]

how would that work? dodge city is just for one mean charged bullet

[worn elbow]

I’m using ongoing directive and it’s fun and got fast dps ngl

[onyx sage]

exactly, which is all you need for some fights

[worn elbow]

And I’m still like 80% thru the build

[kindred mango]

Yeah. Try the jammer pulse. It can knock out all the dogs while still immune, stops the shd crate from spitting out enemy skills and blows up existing ones, protects against drone/turret users, can EMP hunters before they can EMP you, etc

[vestal ibex]

I drive home and this is the build chat.... Wtf is going on.

[outer agate]

yee i kno

[onyx sage]

apparently we no longer discover meta

[vestal ibex]

I saw that Chow!

[subtle bluff]

‎

[kindred mango]

Sweet

[coral reef]

holy shit

[subtle bluff]

The fight ender. (is that how it's spell 😂 )

[novel ember]

i road ya but its really rare chest not everyone has it i mean

[solar sable]

my god...

[subtle bluff]

the my god is I hit a moving start on the arm.

[subtle bluff]

Again context for that is:
What you can do for more dmg and not what you,
Should do in general.

[onyx sage]

kinda lends me credence to the idea that most players do not actually run meta

[coral reef]

yeah i might as well be blowing kisses instead of bullets

[onyx sage]

meta and common builds don't always coincide, it doesn't have to be

[loud pine]

most players dont have a clue me included

[onyx sage]

yeah

why i bring this up is most people just ask for "meta build" when they really mean common build

[loud pine]

inspecting random people in the white house makes me want to bash my head into a wall until ive turned myself into wine

[loud pine]

i think the meta being the same for ages doesnt help

the people yearn for a strikers nerf

[eager viper]

why nerf strikers? just buff other shit

[onyx sage]

i'm less concerned with what meta is at any point in time and more with how receptive people are towards devs changing stuff around

[carmine compass]

Buff good, nerf bad

[onyx sage]

"nerf strikers, nooooo don't touch my determined"

[loud pine]

if you bring stuff up to strikers level the enemies in this game wont stand a chance against anything

[carmine compass]

They already dont

[loud pine]

exactly why we dont need everything to be buffed unless they buff enemies somehow

[loud pine]

think of the console players

[solar sable]

Friendly fire won't be tolerated

[onyx sage]

he's friendly firing himself, i think he gets a pass

[loud pine]

how else am i supposed to play the reanimated event without determined ):

[subtle bluff]

It's wasn't that bad even tho but yes buff everything else.

[vestal ibex]

I too feel we should have perks that give HUGE rewards for no investment. This is why I support determined cause landing 1 headshot should reward you with the possibility of 100% headshots forever with synergy to not reload ever.

[loud pine]

personally i think regulus is too exclusive because i dont have it so it should be added to determined

[vestal ibex]

idk man you could get them out a cache...

[onyx sage]

i think the devs are gatekeeping me from enjoying the game because i have no friends to raid

[loud pine]

i was too busy getting oxpeckers for my shield build

[coral reef]

what the hell is going on here

[vestal ibex]

I need exo comps yo.

[coral reef]

you guys are too crazy

[subtle bluff]

What are you talking about!! You have 3 friends to Raid with. 💀

[onyx sage]

the average player doesn't have friends to play with and matchmakes a lot sir

[subtle bluff]

You only need 4 avg players to do DH.
Said no one.... Esssssssy

[onyx sage]

i blame her.

[vestal ibex]

Can't raid if you on RE4...

[subtle bluff]

Fair

[kindred mango]

I saw you raid last weekend

full of beans

😎

[onyx sage]

i accidentally matchmade into a
normal raid sir trust me

[kindred mango]

Ahh I see

[loud pine]

discovery modes strongest warrior

[limpid ocean]

What is a good build for dz that is good at grinding and surviving other agents

[autumn yacht]

3 pc umbra 1pc walker 1pc picaro holster ninjabike full blue with emp sticky and defender drone technician or fire and capacitor

[limpid ocean]

Alr thanks

Why capacitor tho? And what slots should i have umbra

If you could send a image of the setup that would be nice

[autumn yacht]

get a ton of damage with the picaro + nb + tech while still being tanky you can also roll 2 yellows and a explosive sticky if you want harder hitting skills and capacitor

[limpid ocean]

Alr

[autumn yacht]

the walker can be on knees or gloves or mask

[limpid ocean]

Oh i aint even see picaros

[unborn olive]

unsure if i should focus more on haste....

[subtle bluff]

The guide explain everything

[coral reef]

You guys know why cant I equip this gun? Please

[subtle bluff]

It's a spec gun you can only have it on with you have that sppec on

[coral reef]

Thanks I had no idea

[cinder wedge]

THE RAT GUN :D

i hope to get it someday

[lost ocean]

Anyone have a Good Lightweight M4 build?

[subtle bluff]

OD

[lost ocean]

?

[hazy steeple]

Ongoing Directive is a gearset, they're not trying to tell you to overdose.

[lost ocean]

Lmao

[karmic wasp]

Any suggested dark zone builds to survive/be able to deal damage against players a AI’s?

[autumn yacht]

read my messages above

[karmic wasp]

Sweet thank you

Ok any suggested builds for raids specifically operation Dark Hour?

[odd ginkgo]

Full red strikers build in the gear spreadsheet in the pins. Especially if it will be the first time you do the DH raid.

[strong cave]

People still use the 3pc electrique dead and buried dinosaur meta????

Literally at that rate just go hunters fury

[unique bloom]

Are Hunter's Fury stacks multiplicative with itself?

Is it 20*5^5 or 20+5+5+5+5+5 or 20(5+5+5+5+5)

[subtle bluff]

Sorry what?

It's stacks...

wtf is this..

Sorry.. just what are you trying to figure out?

[onyx sage]

1.2*1.05^5

[unique bloom]

There's two kinds of stacks.

[onyx sage]

answered you above

[unique bloom]

just comparing two high end builds

[noble star]

I swapped the tardigrade exotic for the messenger bag and both my shield skill tier went up from 3 to 4 aswell as my chc and chd went up aswell, but my shield seems to die quicker. What’s going on?

[limpid ocean]

Could be many reasons. Is this in the same activity? Are you in a group?

Did the difficulty change?

[noble star]

Yes, no, no

The piece I swapped the tardigrade for has glass cannon

[limpid ocean]

Could be receiving dmg from multiple enemies

Glass cannon amplifies dmg to you

Thats the glass part of “glass” cannon

[noble star]

Shouldn’t the amount of damage it does heal the shield back if I’m using oxpecker?

[limpid ocean]

I dont really know much about oxpecker

I dont even have that myself

[noble star]

It damages the shield by 10% a second but I thought more damage should heal it more then

[limpid ocean]

Your armor or your shield?

[noble star]

The shield

[limpid ocean]

Slightly unrelated but If you want to run a shield why would you use something that damages it?

[noble star]

It’s the oxpeckers weird gimmick

[limpid ocean]

In guessing that the amount of dmg you take doesnt effect oxpecker

[noble star]

It’s supposed to be used for dps builds to run a shield but the devs weren’t smart about it

The damage to the shield stays the same yeah

[limpid ocean]

So what buff do you receive for your shield being damaged

[noble star]

The shield gets repaired for 25% of the damage dealt with the oxpecker

[limpid ocean]

Oh

Well the dmg you receive from glass cannon is greater than the amount you get from it so that is probably why

[noble star]

Got it thanks 🙏

[limpid ocean]

I think its double

[subtle bluff]

Don't use Tardigrade

same with NBB (Ninja Bike Backpack)

[noble star]

What’s wrong with the ninja bike bp it seems pretty good

[subtle bluff]

It's not. It nerf all builds.

Let me explain everything you've asked in a few lines:

Exotices aren't always the best or needed in very build.
Chest and BP talent are very powerful and losing almost nothing makes up when you lose one nor the other.

[noble star]

Oh that makes sense

Isn’t tardigrade just unbreakable with a shorter cooldown though?

[subtle bluff]

Yes but using them in sense is saying you know you're gonna break your armor.

[noble star]

Isn’t the ninja bike bp giving damage, armour, and skill tier pretty good though?

[wispy hollow]

Unbreakable is good for people starting out, but falls off since you have better damage talent options.

For DPS for starters its pretty much Unbreakable -> Obliterate or Glass Cannon (depending on how good you are at your positioning)
For skill builds -> Kinetic Momentum or Glass Cannon (depending on how good you are at your positioning)

[wispy hollow]

So does Memento, but it is arguably a better Exotic bp option. Dont fall into the Ninja bp trap.
It worked wonders in Div 1 but is outclassed in Div 2

[noble star]

Oh got it

[subtle bluff]

Memento is good in general in solo out of solo and unable to keep up the stacks or using them pretty much what he said.

[unique bloom]

I wish there was an super duper glass cannon talent

+100 weapon damage for 200% damage taken

[noble star]

They should just make it put your health and all the enemies health at 1

[unique bloom]

lovely

I won't have to worry about conditions or stacks

[noble star]

Why doesn’t vanguard let my shield tank an outcast rusher???

is it better to run oxpecker with 0 skill tier or armour cores?

[subtle bluff]

Don't run expecker. It isn't good.

It's dmg isn't great.

[noble star]

Is it at least fun?

[subtle bluff]

Not really because management the auto dmg to shield isn't fun.

[noble star]

Any fun exotic smgs to mess around with?

Aside from ouroboros I doubt i could get that one

[fair dragon]

fun is so subjective

we have master incursionist over here

[subtle bluff]

The MP7 was nerf pretty hard a few seasons ago.
Oxpecker you need to do dmg to heal the shield.
But the shield doesn't have enough buffer HP to take a lot, so then you need tier but then that takes aways from your DPS you need to do.
Then on top of oxpecker doing 10% dmg/sec to your sheild

[subtle bluff]

Again exotics aren't always the best or nor is needed for every build

Tac Vector 9 or SMG9 w/ Killer

[indigo gazelle]

Iron lung or pestilence?

[subtle bluff]

Both are good depends on there build and content they would be used in

[noble star]

Is sweet dreams decent if I can’t find a better spas 12? What other slow fire shotguns would work well?

[subtle bluff]

m870 and KSG

[grizzled garnet]

i've heard that ouroboros got a nerf so whats the best weapon to use with a strikers 6 red build?

[lone wadi]

prolly lexington or elmos

[grizzled garnet]

i missed the chance to get lexington ;-;

[lone wadi]

same here im also praying it comes back

[grizzled garnet]

same

[lone wadi]

im just using elmos in my striker for the mag size and shock and fast rpm

but generally you can use any fast rpm gun you like

[grizzled garnet]

we allowed to discuss the pts?

[lone wadi]

not sure

[grizzled garnet]

ok. wont risk it

[subtle bluff]

so it's balance not dead....

[strong cave]

It's part of division so I don't see why not

[subtle bluff]

What PTS?

[strong cave]

Public Test Server

[subtle bluff]

as in there is no PTS atm

[strong cave]

One that's not open yet

I'm waking up my brain is lagging like the servers of Kenley college rn

[subtle bluff]

There's none even for NDA guys atm even.

[strong cave]

Ouroboros can still be used. It got a fairly decent 10% damage nerf + rate of fire nerf tho. The RPM is still decent, just the damage is a bit low. Slapping expertise on it of course fixes the damage problems

If I'm not mistaken, you only need to expertise it 10 times until you reach the pre-nerf damage it did

[lone wadi]

ya but theres prolly better weapons to use with strikers than ouro, something more general-use

of course you can still use an smg, but that limits you to a certain playstyle that may be better with another set, say, hunters fury for example

[strong cave]

You'd be right on that. Strikers seems to be favoring AR/LMG playstyle right now. Hunters fury of course favors SMGs.

For giggles I might try to get an AR working with hunters fury because the SMGs don't hit as hard no more. Plus I love RNG and having AoK with built in weapon damage. Probably gonna go ceska chest + fenris backpack with bloodsucker and have an SMG as a secondary

[subtle bluff]

WILD.... You guys..

[subtle bluff]

Run this. Idk if this video works.

[lone wadi]

yo was smg9 always this good

oh wait i looked at the wrong stat 💀

[strong cave]

Recently it became the new top tier SMG. Banshee got wiped hard from top slot

[subtle bluff]

For awhile now. It was really bad.

[lone wadi]

dang

[strong cave]

I refuse to touch lady death because of it as well

I'm most pissed about them nerfing the MP7

Literally on HF I need to take 1 pc zwiadowka and 1 piece Sokolov just to see performance out of the MP7 again

[subtle bluff]

you can't make it's RoF nerf too

[strong cave]

the rate of fire nerf to the mp7 as well is what killed it

[grizzled garnet]

What are the current meta builds besides strikers

Rn i got healer, skill build, oxy chem, haz pro ravenous tank, hotshot determined, hf regulus

Any other interesting ones i should go after? Im considering OD blue core scorpio

[pastel crane]

If I may be honest, MrChow's attitude when I answered his question about using Cata/Backfire/HF was so condescending that I decided to use HF's BP just to spite him

[grizzled garnet]

Play for your own enjoyment. Not to appease others

[subtle bluff]

I just dislike the "YouTubers Meta"

[subtle bluff]

OD Red with Sadist weapon. Both of them got buff pretty big.

[strong cave]

It's not really condescending, it's just truth that using backfire to make yourself bleed just to get damage is redundant. The idea of forcing yourself to bleed just to get a measley maybe 12% weapon damage is a waste of a backpack talent. Unstoppable force will give you the same amount, if not 1 percent better. Those catalyst stacks wear off seconds after status effected targets such as yourself or others are no longer under status effects. Catalyst is a PVP item at best

[pastel crane]

Sure.

[subtle bluff]

The build works sure. You can do a decent amount of content with it.

[strong cave]

You have to be within range as well to upkeep that damage bonuses as well and keep targets status effected. It's not easy to maintain and forcing yourself to bleed with backfire only gets worse the more stacks you have. Taking damage just to get damage as a whole is redundant and a bad idea. The goal is not to take damage. If this makes me an elitist a-hole for telling you how it is, I'll happily accept that fact. You'll find out soon when you're kissing the ground more than putting enemies onto the ground

Not even Ongoing Directive makes catalyst viable

[pastel crane]

Okay, here's the facts.

When I go to this channel, I ask if the build I wanna make is good enough or not.

Any attempts to dissuade from using it because "It's not meta enough", we're gonna have a problem

[strong cave]

That's your first mistake, coming to a build advice channel looking for good advice. We are giving you solid advice, you're just getting upset because we aren't telling you what you want to hear. Both chow and I have thousands of hours in this game. Chow is a known speedrunner and knows the mechanics of this game in and out. He knows what's worth it and what's not. If there's any advice you'll wanna follow, it's HIS

I will live and die on the hill that using backfire to force bleed yourself for a weak weapon damage bonus is redundant. Just take unstoppable force at that point. Better yet, Memento backpack would give you even better buffs

[subtle bluff]

Hold on.. I just said that HF BP isn't good.

[strong cave]

Because it's not. You're right. Why waste a perfectly good backpack talent that can give bonus armor or weapon damage for a mask that only gives up to 24%? And is entirely dependent on status effects and a stack mechanic? And within a certain range?

[subtle bluff]

Ya just this.

[strong cave]

You're right with this. I'm fully backing you up on it

[subtle bluff]

In solo it's w/e it can be good in a sense where more guys are CC but in group or hard game play BP talent are really good or like ya Memento is great too.

[strong cave]

Tux and Tickle did the tests, they ran the numbers. They used a few different builds, hunters fury being one of them. It barely performed

[pastel crane]

Okay, but my build is staying, whether you guys like it or not.

[subtle bluff]

I know you are. It's fine.

[subtle bluff]

Again, I wasn't saying DO not use your build.

Just mention there's a better way to do have more stuff.

[strong cave]

That's fine. But don't get upset when people give you advice when you come looking for it and they don't tell you what you wanna hear. Nobody is saying don't use what you're using. We're just telling you from a game knowledge standpoint, there's better options. It's up to veterans like us to direct newer or less knowledgeable players on making good builds to do tasks in an efficient and effortless manor

Imagine if people like us recommended Foundry Bulwark for a DPS build. The community would be in shambles

[grizzled garnet]

I was thinking of blue od as a team buff build

Scorpio for easy od proccs and blue cores for vanguard (think thats the name)

[subtle bluff]

Do Bluescreen, OD and Galvanized mix in one or 2 blues.

[grizzled garnet]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KBWRN9uLl9-Bk5WRF025kWQfKe25uZBZXjUHi2GTiVI/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.pz9zv28i3tck

that one

[subtle bluff]

That one is for CD.

[grizzled garnet]

indeed

[subtle bluff]

For CD go for it then! It's not great outside of it.

OH god I have editing powers for this doc.

[grizzled garnet]

0.0

[subtle bluff]

I mean I make guides for the sheet too but I don't look at everything.

[strong cave]

Sorry to beat a dead horse but back on the Backfire topic, this is also a solid reference point for why pairing Backfire with Catalyst won't help but instead diminish the effectiveness of a build:

Video 1

Video 2

Video 3

[half seal]

is chatterbox better than ouro for strikers?

[vestal ibex]

Not typically. Chatter can be super good if you can keep 3+ chatter up.

Chatter is just super good if you are killing and getting ammo back and have the fire rate buff. Once you don't have any of that it falls off. Best to put it on and see how it goes for your diff/content/player scaling.

[fallow fog]

What would be a good oxi/stinger hive build?

[vestal ibex]

Just use the oxy build in the spread sheet tbh.

[cerulean smelt]

just saw an oxidizer build where the guys Oxy was doing 1 billion damage

[slate wedge]

wtf how?

[onyx sage]

modifiers this season, has 1 passive that increases skill damage by skill haste amount, and done in shooting range which gives you 500% skill haste

it's just for funsies

[vestal ibex]

Yeah it's not very practical. It's a dumb edge case that sucks unless you get those certain things going.

[violet juniper]

You remind of some guy on Reddit who ran the exact same build, then got pissy when I told him it was ass

[violet juniper]

I mean you can do 50 mil with a heal chem

[pastel crane]

Okay?

[violet juniper]

Don't ask for advice if you're gonna argue with what you're told

[pastel crane]

Or I can do whatever build I want, even if it'll give you a brain aneurysm

[violet juniper]

I don't really care what you do

just don't ask "is this good" then complain when you're told the truth

[subtle bluff]

Chilllll we're all good

[pastel crane]

Yeah, we're good

[cerulean smelt]

i know, Chow loves his gif of that

[subtle bluff]

Souless did put his 71mill out

[violet juniper]

That's exactly what I was referencing lmao

[cerulean smelt]

nods i saw that too lol

[vestal ibex]

Hey guys is this a good build?

[urban latch]

can you clear solo heroic?

[vestal ibex]

That was a CP4 all directives yo. EZ

[urban latch]

you should see what the weakest pistol you can still kill elites with is

[vestal ibex]

I mean this was hitting 17 mil so I could drop down to something with like half the base damage lol

[urban latch]

exactly lol

[digital star]

Is the virtuoso set bugged? It does not seem to be giving the damage buffs that it says it will

[grizzled garnet]

whats with the explosions and oxy on the floor?

[vestal ibex]

Reanimated GE.

[grizzled garnet]

ah okok

[median mica]

Lmao wth this is crazyyyy

[onyx sage]

the gray gear build situation is crazy

[coral reef]

people on this channel scares me

[grizzled garnet]

youre scared of geese? ;-;

[slate wedge]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwBgtMDsYBxgTGAzGcbUfV1AuALOHrAsmAJxzZWa4BsiRciKStN1VOtArGIyR3ZCQXNv0SDJdIuOFzO8SHCLB4RdLTYccwWihVb5mHSGZ8JGVYlUpOkHEjiRoMXjGDCc0YB9DygA

rate my pvp build

[autumn yacht]

explosive res build without sawyers?

[slate wedge]

sawyers for pvp?

oh bruh dis they rework it?

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwBgtMDsYBxgTGAzGcbUfV1AuScAWWBZMATmmys1wDZEi5EUlabqqdaBWMRkjuyEgubfokGTciONAl9KwpSLJiwkRMCLhuvGMGE5gtFEWPL2RkMz7zwweJvgpOwHElnQYeg52jADUGUgA

this then?

[slate wedge]

wasn’t it like you lose all stacks instantly when moving for sawyers?

[worn elbow]

If Anyone who has a iron lung ongoing directive mind sharing there setup?

[loud pine]

standard OD setup really

coyotes + ceska wicked bp + 4 OD

[worn elbow]

But how’s catalyst with it

I just get more damage right

[loud pine]

er its just flat out worse than coyotes for damage

[worn elbow]

Oh

[loud pine]

its awd so its not really good the damage compared to coyotes

[worn elbow]

Alright thanks

[loud pine]

you can run it for the bonus armour and reload speed but i dont think its worth dropping damage for

[cerulean smelt]

i call hacks (> <) j/k

[indigo gazelle]

What? How?

[autumn yacht]

you don’t get staggered with them. that’s the main appeal for explosive res builds

[stark flicker]

should I use carnage or an smg in a bleed build?

[solar sable]

carnage, is it OD?

[stark flicker]

yes here's the build https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EzC0YBlBGHSh8mJfAXNAHOUBmOUArAJzJmopoAs2Y+sD0k5LlA7DlLBa62iHiTdePSgPxcRUhGjaxCoNgoXBYNUJmaVR0tDv17+wgwDZp8IA

I'm debating running the grudge as a secondary

or possibly dropping carnage all together for extra chd

I was also tossing around this as a build https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EzC0GZQBlBGUwydFy3QFywBwInFAVgE5Uz00MAWXMSeMWWRc1ygdnxngrbYxBcCvEeQF0UPPqKTjIVUNhi15kbLgoYZ0rFAlUW3Qc0iaoAqTIwA2aaiA

not looking for meta just looking for smth fun tbh

[cerulean smelt]

only issue with ridgeways is i think you'll have to stay in range to get the bleeding healing bit

[vestal ibex]

dw 1 hour long build vid soon.

[cerulean smelt]

should look up diedagaingaming latest oxidizer build video and do the samething (> <)

[subtle bluff]

I really dislike that word for the build that have been around for years and just mathematical work.
Now if you're talking about YouTube meta builds sure that's a thing and swaps around.

[stark flicker]

that is literally what meta is though it's an acronym

Most Effective Tactic Available but I don't wanna just use whatever is strongest I wanna mess around

[onyx sage]

what he's saying is you're probably against running what most people run, instead of what's strongest/meta

the most meta builds are only run by a few teams in this game to do speedrun stuff

[stark flicker]

yeah that's what I mean I like to be creative with my builds even if 90% are garbage but I also wanna make them work as much as possible instead of just running 4pc striker's with an smg

[onyx sage]

he's just criticizing your usage of the word, not your preference of what builds you run

in solo play or heroic and below, you can get away with literally any build

[stark flicker]

like ep is an absolute garbage gearset but it is really fun to run a scrap trap build on heroic

[onyx sage]

EP is not trash

[stark flicker]

in solo play it is definitely weak for offense

and paper thin

[onyx sage]

it's somewhat true

but it is used in legendary and speedruns in general, not for offense but for control

the offense variant mostly excels in difficulties below heroic

[stark flicker]

I usually run 4pc with bp and chest vile firm handshake with scorpio and a future perfect ar for skills I use fire seeker and fire sticky for heroic I use scrap trap over sticky

[fiery gust]

EP isn't a solo build, though. That's why it feels weak. Extremely effective and strong for group play. A lot of things function the same way.

[stark flicker]

honestly I mostly agree aside from summit offensive ep is stupid powerful in the summit

[onyx sage]

and also you can have squishy builds in solo too. i run full red all the time. it doesn't have to be tanky to be strong

it's not meta by any means. it's just ongoing directive

[stark flicker]

moreso saying ep is kind of the worst of both worlds

every gearset has a niche but not all are meant for solo play

[onyx sage]

i would agree if you limited yourself to just builds for solo play, that's why i was disagreeing with my earlier comment

[stark flicker]

ep is by far my favorite gearset bc it is an amazing starter build with low recal and optimization reqs for high power

[fiery gust]

You're definitely going to find that much less builds are viable solo vs group.

[stark flicker]

which sucks bc none of my friends play so I spend 95% of my time either in challenging summit or descent

[onyx sage]

and even then, if you just wanted to complete a mission as fast as possible without considering difficulty (for example for priority objectives), you'd probably just run it on normal or hard, in which case EP is the top build for them

[fiery gust]

It sounds cliche, but find a clan that has activities matching your interests. I did a lot of solo play, but having like-minded agents to do things with is what keeps my interest in the game.

[subtle bluff]

Waiting coming back to EP being trash? Even tho the some of the mission WR speeds are using EP? Hmm

[stark flicker]

I meant for solo play on high difficulties

another build I have a lot of fun with that would definitely be good for group play https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwBgtMDsYKxgTGAzGcbUfV1AuJcAWDRFSYTC7LHcgDlgWVkSsspvKPBbdarx7dew-kkGM+IzDkmyZUvjnhimANiJEoYdSJk1os3EnqGQQA

alternatively I could probably run a d50 or magnum with preservation

[subtle bluff]

Context! 😄
IMO the most off meta stuff is support builds. Yes we have we our standard FI and EP builds but you can a few things skills, piece here and it’s different and chances the gameplay

The other things I’ve done has support for a new team in leggo is fun.

[stark flicker]

the one set I see basically no one run is that ortiz set which sucks bc I really enjoyed div 1 incin turret

[subtle bluff]

Solo stuff like avg said almost anything is viable.

[stark flicker]

honestly wish inventory space was bigger so I could try whatever stupid builds I want with no need to put some of them in the stash

[subtle bluff]

Don’t remind me but also why we can have multiple toons.

[hoary valve]

any countdown builds?

[subtle bluff]

More context…

Because I’m just gonna say the same thing we always say.

[hoary valve]

dps

[subtle bluff]

Strikers!

[stark flicker]

4pc striker with ob chest and coyote's mask always works

[subtle bluff]

Get a striker BP

[stark flicker]

memento doesn't work well in group play bc you're fighting for kills

really fun backpack though

[fiery gust]

YouTube has baited another one. 😔

[stark flicker]

Imma have to find the paste rq but I made a meme build that goes all in on the rainbow

this isn't it but aegis build I made https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/KzC0DZQBlAmDqJsprkC5xkjekCMALAOxpkobGEJh6j7AAc5LGICurXGspsd8CtzTpgdTkMmt0U2UhnDJ6XgGZE+fAE5UsKLij5yM9PlJyMK5uehA

[hoary valve]

what what do i replace it with

[stark flicker]

striker's bp

you should use coyote's mask if you have it

[fiery gust]

These sets are neat, but there's just really no use for them outside of a couple super niche things.

[stark flicker]

that's basically what I do

I want to try and make everything viable no matter how niche

[fiery gust]

Well, it works for normal. 😂

[subtle bluff]

Only 2pc of level 40 gear go solo a heroic

[stark flicker]

I'm not that good lol

[subtle bluff]

I need to do this challenge still

[hazy steeple]

@hoary valve That is a solid base for a meta build, nice use of Ceska there.

[solar sable]

I hate the word "meta"

[solar sable]

If you wanna help the team I would run OD

[stark flicker]

the hater's will try to silence me but this is the true best build /s https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwZgtAjGAMYEyXLZNUpRJAuYA2NkY4EmBKC6aOsJhUpIAHGS5dFiAJyTe0WsD0OZrShtBrDgFZI9Okgnj2cLmHycRUmRCkB2SFPw7mbLEsVnFkqVjj5zyDvcVA

[solar sable]

please don't be ninjabike

[stark flicker]

nah memento true rainbow

[solar sable]

what is this 😵‍💫

[stark flicker]

quite possibly the worst build I have ever made

[onyx sage]

not far off from mine

[subtle bluff]

🔥 💀

[grizzled garnet]

skittles build

[onyx sage]

yeah, i literally shoot skittles

[grizzled garnet]

taste the rainbow

[hexed steppe]

Reanimated viable

Locked down the end spawn in capital last night

[slate wedge]

right, and the damage boost is nice aswell

[violet juniper]

that is definitely a normal striker build

[vast latch]

i am trying to get a particular exotic ar and was referred to countdown and im not getting any exotics at all. how long does it take you guys to get the exotics your looking for?

[grizzled garnet]

Its all down to rng

[subtle bluff]

I've keep saying this don't sweat targeting it. Just keep opening caches and doing priority objectives for exotics.

[vast latch]

where do i get the exotic caches? i heard about them but i was never told where to get them or how

[vast latch]

also are the chances better in heroic countdown?

[subtle bluff]

The countdown vendor and then priority objectives.

[subtle bluff]

Slightly better, but also bigger a possibility of failing and the time.

So slightly.

I also say this exotics aren't always the best, nor is needed for every build.

[violet juniper]

hmm.. Dark Winter or Backfire

[subtle bluff]

Tac Vector 9 w/Killer

Try it.

[solar sable]

what about smg 9?

[subtle bluff]

Also a good one but Tac Vector 9 w/Killer is something

[violet juniper]

Isn't Dark Winter stronger

[subtle bluff]

NUMBERS don't lie!

It's kind nuts

I need to upload these other video show casing it

[violet juniper]

slightly stronger burst but less mag size

so... Dark Winter does more damage?

I'm being real picky here lol

Just bashed this together for when HF doesn't work

[subtle bluff]

I mean if you look at the avg shot it's still more.

[violet juniper]

but like 6 bullets

Hm

backfire better

We need more exotic SMG's or something. I'm bored of using the same stuff

[subtle bluff]

SMG9 then

[violet juniper]

Already used

[subtle bluff]

The the tac 9mm trust

[violet juniper]

i would like a FMG-9 lol

make it an exotic cuz it looks so weird, it's amazing

[subtle bluff]

I did a run using both tommy guns

[violet juniper]

ok the striker build is my new legendary and raid build

This is ridiculous

HF is still my favorite and I'll use it for everything else though

[vast latch]

what exactly are the priority objectves and where do i go to see them? same for the countdown vendor

would u guys run the perfect spotter talent in the dz?? i just seen it at the vendor and it sounds pretty good.

[solar sable]

Esc > Season > Prio Obj.
Spawn at the White House > Turn right > To the left of the Seasons Vendor.

[violet juniper]

It's alright

[lost wren]

quick question what is the fastest way to farm expertise and proficiency?

[lone wadi]

Prob countdown

also you can farm loot goblins cause he still drops the named items

You only need to donate 20 of each for max proficiency

[lost wren]

what to look for in countdow

[lone wadi]

Anything you’re missing proficiency on

like ar, smg, etc for example

I would Target the group you’re missing the most proficiencies proportionally

[lost wren]

ah i thought i'd have to farm a specific resource to donate

[lone wadi]

like if you’re 2/10 on ars and 31/32 or smgs for example I would target the 2/10

[lone wadi]

You can do that as well with mods to deconstruct for printer filament

[lost wren]

which would be better

[lone wadi]

Tbh I don’t know so can’t tell ya

[lost wren]

hmm

[lone wadi]

If you’re at a low expertise lvl def targeting groups

[lost wren]

onl lvl 3 so yeah

[lone wadi]

oh yeah def do that then

also you can equip 6 of the same brand set or gear set for faster lvl up as you do it

[lost wren]

true

[lone wadi]

Chances are in countdown everyone else is already dps so you should still clear stuff but you just gotta make sure you don’t get kicked

[lost wren]

honestly it's more so that the expertise system just looks confusing to me

so what is the entire thing just getting duplicate stuff to donate?
is that it?

[lone wadi]

you can watch a couple videos on yt to get a better understanding, but pretty much

And the more you use something as well

[loud pine]

yes or using it and when you reach 10 levels you become proficient with that item/gearset/skill, and can upgrade it

but the expertise upgrades really arent a major concern until your overall level is decent

[lost wren]

which would be better, finding duplicate items or just printer filament farming

[loud pine]

it depends, when i did it i got the gearsets and brandsets out the way in countdown while using guns i needed to level

when xp events come round i farm watch levels for printer filaments and use them for stuff i dont have/dont want to use

i think using watch levels for credits to then buy and deconstruct mods is very slightly faster but ive never done it that way

[lost wren]

could be a good idea

[subtle bluff]

There's slightly better value of before this season when you would use SHD points for CR for that to decon

[loud pine]

ahh okay thank you mr chow

[subtle bluff]

a lot of time just sitting around buying it all

[loud pine]

you can also slot weapons that you dont plan on using and theyll level just a bit slower than if you actually kill ads with them

[loud pine]

im too employed for that 🫩

[lost wren]

the problem i run into with doing targetd loot for expertise is that i run out of invetory space fairly quick i'm noticing

[subtle bluff]

yeah I wasn't when I first was trying it out.

[lost wren]

especially in countdown

[subtle bluff]

donate faster?

stop keeping everything on body?

[lost wren]

are you able to donate mid mission?

[subtle bluff]

not in combat

[loud pine]

i havent ever really had this issue, you may just need to clear the inventory out and stash some things

or like chow said, donate when you arent in combat

[lost wren]

yeah

[subtle bluff]

or stop going to CD back to back

Go to a prior Objective between them.

[lost wren]

would it also be a good idea to get the bps for each weapon, craft a whole bunch of duplicates, and donate them?
or would that be too cost inefficient?

[loud pine]

you can do it but i only do it for named guns and even then its not great on resources

[lost wren]

figured

[subtle bluff]

It uses a lot of resources.

[loud pine]

farming cd is just easier plus you level guns from using them

[lost wren]

gotcha

[loud pine]

and a lot of named blueprints will only come from descent reconstructed caches, so youd have to live in descent to get them

[lost wren]

is there also a way to make the donating process easier?

[subtle bluff]

Loot everything as junk. When in the exp menu Donate All Junk

[lost wren]

alright then
thanks for all the advice!

[timber dagger]

Any new meta or best in slot weapons?

[subtle bluff]

nope

[cerulean smelt]

should've told them youtubers got people wanting backfire builds (> <)

[subtle bluff]

A lot of things work in solo.

[slate wedge]

anything to change about this pvp mortar?

[subtle bluff]

https://youtu.be/bNtU3BIEkhM?si=6i3OXhYHvntLIaP0
Almost anything is viable in solo but doesn't me it's good.

[noble star]

Any way to get magazine size buff for pakhan lmg but also good damage or no?

[subtle bluff]

It's gonna make itself bigger so it's not worth

Or a good build makes it quicker and cleaner.

Things unhealthing fast is pretty fun.

[solar sable]

thoughts on determined builds?

[noble star]

Is anything lengmo worth running or not really

I kinda want the 30% lmg damage but it takes so many pieces to get to it’s not even worth it

[subtle bluff]

Yes if you get double crit save them

No he means in general

I mean it's just general build that works. There a ton of other builds. But again your solo so do what works for you.

[echo drift]

hello im looking for suggestions/builds/weapons for dealing with the ammo hoarder directive. red strikers + gunner is doable but its just annoying that after 2-3 open world activities you gotta look for a box or return to base.

[loud pine]

you want a pistol headhunter build

regulus if you got it or a harvest

[slate wedge]

determined harvest is optimal

[subtle bluff]

hotshot with sharpershoot since it just gen ammo

and if you hit everything you don't use up bullets in your MMR

[hearty owl]

Determined Harvest is in fact not optimal

Single target ad clear vs Regulus AoE

For open world content or really anything in the game related to ad clear, Regulus will always be better

[patent fossil]

Determined might edge out regulus during reanimated since you won't have to kill as many enemies twice

[hearty owl]

Ohh it’s Reanimated

Yes then Determined for sure

[worn elbow]

@lone wadi

Wait wrong pic my bad

[lone wadi]

looks great lol

[lone wadi]

eh youll do fine

[worn elbow]

Ye I’ll make a striker build today

[lone wadi]

for legrndary what i do is i just sit inthe room right outside the ad room and let them come to me

cause if you wait the boss usually comes toward you

[worn elbow]

Oh ok

[lone wadi]

and target priority is important, so target drone controllers, grenadiers, and healers first

[meager fog]

bare in mind this strat will likely mean you need to kill more ads, but it's seriously not that hard

[worn elbow]

K

[lone wadi]

yea ur right

try it out and see what u like to do

[meager fog]

If you rush the room, you can kill the prio ads and the boss normally spawns after I think 4 kills if you're close enough.

Once you learn the spawn point (it'll always be the same) you'll be golden

[meager fog]

Whats the talent of your secondary LMG?

[worn elbow]

Perfect sadist

It’s carnage named lmg

[odd ginkgo]

Carnage will probably do more damage than Iron Lung.

[worn elbow]

They both hit like a truck

[meager fog]

Basic strat is to use one weapon to proc the other.

For example, having vindictive on one weapon and sadist on another you can use sadist to proc bleed then vindictive to gain an extra 16% crit daamge

[worn elbow]

You have got to be kidding me I got rouges on me

[hexed steppe]

Throw wicked on there for much better performance. Creeping is a big waste there

[worn elbow]

I ran countdown for 3 days just to get the bag with crits mate I won’t do it again yet

[odd ginkgo]

Some makeup wipes should remove it.

[hexed steppe]

A bad choice with time spent to make it happen is still a bad choice.
It's not like crit rolls are hard to farm on a ceska piece

[worn elbow]

Hand it over that bag your perfect ceska bag

[odd ginkgo]

It has been for me...

[worn elbow]

Yes so true 3 days of pain for it

[hexed steppe]

Wasted pain... should have came for guidance first... blame the youtuber for the pain... we fix things here 💀

[hexed steppe]

Farm out my unicorn mortar and you'll know struggle 😎

[worn elbow]

Blame who

Who the hell is the ytber

[hexed steppe]

Ceska pieces naturally roll red and are biased to roll red attributes

[odd ginkgo]

One of your builds made me go blind. I've had to hire a secretary to type my messages.

[hexed steppe]

Fair

[worn elbow]

What’s your bluescreen attributes btw

The 3rd one

[hexed steppe]

Chc

[worn elbow]

Thanks

I have it too but it’s damage not chance

[hexed steppe]

If using a emp sticky( any sticky really) you can kinda proc bluescreen on demand. (Max every 3-4 seconds).
*Sticky just gotta hit either air or a teamate and sticky procs but goes into 3sec cooldown for failed shot. 😉

[worn elbow]

Ok thanks for the info

I do about 5.1mil with iron and bluescreen and carnage

[odd ginkgo]

All at the same time? Do your arms get tired?

[worn elbow]

Lmao

[mint axle]

I thought bloodsucker would be bad on my rifle determined build but it is actually very useful for a survivability aspect.

[cerulean smelt]

@median mica just to show you it exists on it

[rare field]

whats a friendly build for bluscreen?

[versed flame]

#td2-build-advice message

[cerulean smelt]

@worn elbow imagine farming this but wanting/needing weapon damage where possible

[worn elbow]

Cool

[cerulean smelt]

not fun farming those pieces to try and get weapon damage instead of armor 😭

[worn elbow]

Ok

[rare field]

can i reference this build? if so what are the talents for chest and bag .. im new to building so dont know alot of things hehe

[cerulean smelt]

bag is probably Perfectly Wicked talent

oh wait, wicked talent since ceska backpack

[rare field]

whats perfectly means?

[cerulean smelt]

talent will have a slightly higher percentage or longer duration or shorter cooldown

Perfectly Wicked is in the Parethesis
Applying a status effect increases total weapon damage by 18% for 20s (27s).

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i know your pain in trying to get certain stuff (> <)

[worn elbow]

Our pain is great

[median mica]

Lmao thank you I thought I was going crayyy

[hexed steppe]

already has 45%weapon damage, with the possibility of another 30%wd

[cerulean smelt]

well, you inspired me to try and make this build with your hybrid build. i feel if i can get those last 3 blues to reds would probably increase the damage even more XD

that is, if capacitor taps into the non skill tiers that exists in the build IE: currently 6 skill tiers but only 3 showing, 3 others based on the 2 arcabuz, 3 palisades and technician

[hexed steppe]

feel free to reference,
-the bag is wicked talent on a ceska bag.
wicked and perfectly wicked are both 18% amp so going with a better brand makes more sense.
vigilance or unstoppable force are also strong bag talent choices.
-ongoing directive chest bumps up the damage significantly so is better than other highend chest talents.

[hexed steppe]

range test it side by side with a traditional skillbuild. you already have a hybrid iirc so it should be pretty easy to test

[cerulean smelt]

hope i still have it. might've destroyed it when i got this one going, would have to check again though and i'll compare the 2

[hexed steppe]

it might be easier just to craft the necessesary pieces to test. good chance they all drop with skill or armor attributes so the crit wont throw off testing

[cerulean smelt]

the hardest part is the chest so far, but i've probably gotten palisades i need but in place of say an arcabuz and no arabuz to replace it

[hexed steppe]

although, the build you popsted is looking a bit likt my troll mode build, squeezing out those skilltiers \

do you have a picaros you can utilize. with its wd roll

[cerulean smelt]

i don't but i have blueprint 🤣 😹

i think anyways 🤔 have to log in to check

[hexed steppe]

your stash dont look like mine then

[cerulean smelt]

not really lol

[solar sable]

I don't see any Picaro's here

[cerulean smelt]

hey would you look at that!

[worn elbow]

How’s the new build my friends

[solar sable]

awesome!

[worn elbow]

Thanks

Is there anything else I’m missing?

[solar sable]

not really, that's okay for now, skills are up to you

[worn elbow]

Now ima make the one with memento setup

Time to get my fav exotic in the game

[tired falcon]

Ongoing Directive and Heartbreaker are pretty good

[tulip charm]

any crit dps tbh

its a good gun

[lost wren]

what the hell is the build that i keep running into with iron lung or pestilence

[solar sable]

pvp or pve?

[lost wren]

pvp ofc

[solar sable]

credits to @strong cave

[lost wren]

crazy

what attributes and mods?

[solar sable]

crits and all blue cores

[lost wren]

makes sense

[strong cave]

😎

[solar sable]

I haven't played div in a while, I'm sorry to tell you that I haven't finished both builds at all 🫠

[lost wren]

i'm just getting back into it lol

and i guess iron lung is also interchangable with pestilence?

[strong cave]

Don't feel bad I just got my buddy a full system corruption build today. He forgot he had resources and I managed to get a holster to drop from conflict. So I crafted him the knees and the gloves. He had the backpack already and a spare mask. I got so lucky it dropped with the right rolls 😩

It took him nearly a year farming for it. Meanwhile I get him a full set within an hour 😭

And he'll spend the next year optimising it...

[slate wedge]

sysco is kinda dead now tho right?

[strong cave]

A bit but it still has its uses

[slate wedge]

hmm i see, i used to play a sysco build with an efficient chest

[shy willow]

They patched efficient synergy with syscor now unfortunately

[slate wedge]

ohhh

wow that’s bad

[strong cave]

It needs a talent buff. Duration needs to be longer or the damage needs to be buffed. I say buff the duration and increase the damage a smidge

[shy willow]

Definitely needs better uptime

5 seconds is pathetic bruh

[strong cave]

Keep the hidden nameplate feature for 5s. But the damage/duration needs a for sure buff

Make the damage bonus go from 25% to 35%. Then the backpack doubles the Bonus armor and Doubles the damage. Would make sense

[royal ruin]

Trying an umbra build with sling shot with streamline talent. Base damage 155k and I saw high damage 1.5million with globe event now. Plus using technician with link laser pointer. Beam city damage. Minimal experienced

[velvet jasper]

with is the regular or best healer build?

[cerulean smelt]

check the pinned spreadsheet?
that's probably the best healer build to mind

[velvet jasper]

ok

[tired falcon]

what's this I see? fiftysdeath suggesting a ninjabike build variant? Blasphemy! lol
Someone call the anit-ninjabackpack police.
@strong cave who are you and what have you done with the real fiftysdeath? 😛

[strong cave]

Umbra Ninjabike is BROKEN

especially with iron lung

[subtle bluff]

A few things..

[strong cave]

What's broken is our stash... Still

[solar sable]

it's a pvp build I don't care if nbb is involved

[subtle bluff]

I meant a few things are good with Umbra NBB in PvP.

[solar sable]

I don't speak english (?)

[autumn yacht]

ummmm nooo...

fifty ur builds are chalked

[strong cave]

But it works tho I've won many games on conflict and had multiple manhunts with it

Just need to hope nobody runs booster or hazpro to counter the flame 💀

[autumn yacht]

that doesn’t mean a build is good

like what’s the tardi for? is this a support build?

[strong cave]

You're meant to be at the back and not the forefront, just letting Iron Lung rip. I never said it was good at killing. It's meant to provide your armor to teammates since Vanguard is kinda trash

[autumn yacht]

why would you send this to someone who just asks for an iron lung or pesti build

[strong cave]

It's mainly something I run when I notice I got several umbra users in the group or lower armor players that do DPS

[autumn yacht]

instead of a more generic coyote 3pc leng or umbra

[strong cave]

Iron lung works. I gave them the umbra build too

FOR both LMG's

Go back, read

I'd only recommend 3 piece Lengmo if using Pestilence

[autumn yacht]

a brief mention at the very end where you don’t even lay it out yeah that’s good

he should just make the tardi build that makes more sense

[strong cave]

I later that day gave him the layout 💀

It's just not in that image

[autumn yacht]

the guy who asked just now only got that

[strong cave]

I'm done with this convo that message was a hot while ago. Several weeks to nearly months

But yes, FYI, that is a support build. I recommended umbra at the end. Gave the template for that as well at a later time. They no longer play division. Happy? All smiles

[hearty owl]

noo argue more im bored dont stop 😦

you guys should 1v1

and stream it so I can watch

[strong cave]

DZ has been the same dead, empty, lifeless servers it has been. Same old 4 man squad running around

1v1s are pointless

[hexed steppe]

everyone should be on a mortar build anyways

[warm knot]

@hexed steppe Man i dunno i think it has something to do with the targets. when i kill a red one it deals 120m, but if i switch to veteran, elite or named it only deals 35m. But for some reason, it deals 120m to invulnerable targets, both red and elite.

[hexed steppe]

named and elite have armor, invulnerable elite does as well but if it disappeares it shows higher damage until its regenned

teamate with fi also proccing sledge, and possibly oc'ing your achilles should make a difference

are you in game now, testing?

[warm knot]

ya

[hexed steppe]

/invite localdeck

[solar sable]

use your lfg channels or a moderator will come take action 😠

[warm knot]

@hexed steppe

[safe perch]

Where can I find a striker build for solo (not group play)

[subtle bluff]

pinned messages

[safe perch]

I did have a look in that spreadsheet but idk exactly where to look sorry

[late dew]

If I’m running striker should I optimize damage or defense

[hazy steeple]

@safe perch The section under "builds" should be all up to date, and have all been tested out for Heroic.

[safe perch]

And they're solo? The striker build that I was following was for Coyote's mask and a few people mentioned going Memento for solo build for a bit more tankiness

[solar sable]

You can use them for both purposes, it doesn't matter

[safe perch]

Oh okay, I thought for a solo build I had to run memento to be a bit more tanky. But I can run Coyote's too?

[solar sable]

Coyote's buffs are for both the player and its group

[hexed steppe]

with striker being dps you would focus on its strength, optimize for damage

[hexed steppe]

best bet would be to try it in a standard configuration with ceska oblit chest, striker bag, coyote mask for a bit, maybe a day or 2 usage to get a feel for it. then swap coyote mask for memento and give both setups a fair shake. memento is always a bit less damage as a trade off but does offer a lot of benefit. its just not an instant benefit, so understanding the build beforehand goes a long way towards making memento shine.

[meager fog]

Dead enemies don't shoot back

[charred eagle]

Anyway I could make this stronger?

Headshot dmg is at 180%

[odd ginkgo]

Drop ninja bike bag for The Gift named bag.

Grab some HF gloves.

[versed flame]

if there is no talent on the backpack, this is minus the damage, a lot

[subtle bluff]

HSD isn't everything.

[meager fog]

Nice....4rd shot made me giggle 🤣

[subtle bluff]

If the range wasn’t goofy AF…

[vestal ibex]

The Achilles marks are funky in the range. The damage difference you see is basically hitting a mark and not hitting a mark. Pretty easy to test via normal pulse and noting your body vs head then doing the same via Achilles.

[tired ermine]

Hey guys, this is build that I'm working on - it's alternative to my strikers, wanted to make a build without worrying to much about stacks so I went HE route.

I'm testing out weapons with talents like Measured, Fast hands, etc, to see what's best. Any weapon suggestions that would shine on this? Too bad I didn't have lexington as based on videos, it's dang accurate.

[vestal ibex]

Yeah considering we have descent now we could have custom simulations with enemies and that would be cool af and open up crazy tests but here we are spending half of decent running from room to room.

[tired ermine]

Current stats - so far, only tried it with perfect killer under Caretaker, annoying part is I have to kill some ads before actually benefitting to its passive so I'm working on trying other things.

[vestal ibex]

Yeah looks like a normie high end build. Another option is to go for an OD build.

[tired ermine]

It is pretty normal, something you could just slap on - im liking it so far, just needing any tips on weapon suggestions.

[loud pine]

i dont like caretaker so id just run a famas or police m4 with killer/measured/strained

ranger also works

[tired ermine]

Thanks man! I'll try those weapon with talents you mentioned.

[loud pine]

so does f2000 as a gun

it really is up to you i never liked killer because it does nothing if it isnt procced, whereas at least ranger and the others always give you something

[vestal ibex]

Mostly the weapons all perform nearly the same. I'd say something you hit more shots on is better vs spread sheet stats tho.

[loud pine]

but killer is silly when it does proc

[tired ermine]

Hmm, I see - I do have the named Famas and F2000, I'll add it on weapon try pool.

[loud pine]

named famas isnt all that great i think

if its the perfectly on empty one

[scenic ice]

Dark winter smg is a good choice if your using smgs imo

[tired ermine]

Yeah, just read it lol - I'm chronic reloader so won't work for me.

[pearl lintel]

@tired ermine this is a baseline raid build. My suggestions, go with The Sacrifice (named Providence chest) and The Gift backpack (named Providence backpack). Drop the Contractors gloves for the third piece of Providence gear. You can keep the coyote mask if you want or go for Dodge City holster with the Regulus pistol.

Dod-Regnbue covered the differences between Glass Cannon vs Perfect Glass Cannon vs Obliterate in terms to how fast you take damage and GC vs PGC is no difference. PGC vs obliterate is 8 bullets but the speed you take those 8 bullets amounts to half a second so the damage difference makes it better to run PGC over obliterate.

For weapons, I’m assuming you don’t have Lexington. Police M4/Carbine 7/F2000/Shield Splinterer/Famas with Measured (if you reload after every kill), Optimist (if you don’t reload after every kill), Fast Hands, Killer, Strained talents.

Secondary: M1A variant with Ranger, Behind You

[tired ermine]

I do have all the armor pieces mentioned - so I'll try that out! Thanks, appreciate it.

[meager fog]

I'm just missing the Ceska Oblit chest piece so have to resort to sitting in cover for now (for 12% damage boost)....hopefully that will eliminate alot of those white numbers...some poor rng there. Although with the Overwatch chest piece and Coyotes mask it makes a good buffer build for others lol

[lone wadi]

Overwatch is def a great talent that has its place in. Group content

[meager fog]

It really does, and for solo content as long as you can use cover to cover effectively tbh. Really bumps up those crits

[quiet silo]

yo, what is the best ar build for now i ask bcs i just reenter on this game and i wanna know what is the best

[worn elbow]

There are a lot

And alot of good ars

[quiet silo]

a ar build with eagle beral

[tulip charm]

most People run ar with strikers

[lone wadi]

eagle is unfortunately not that good of a but still run it with any ar build

high end or strikers

[quiet silo]

Ok so striker is the best

With what ar?

[meager fog]

Literally any gun with good RPM works with strikers

[lone wadi]

yeah pretty much choose one you like to use

[zealous dew]

police m4, famas 2010 and F2000 are usually recommended

[meager fog]

Wear the backpack to get the most out of it, since it boosts your damage from 65% to 90%

and if you're using an LMG, the chest can be good too since it increases stacks from 100 to 200

[zealous dew]

i find the ramp-up faster with obliterate chest or just straight up glass cannon but that’s up to personal preference

[quiet silo]

so atm ar build it a little ussles?

[meager fog]

Ar strikers build is the base build for end game content

[quiet silo]

ok

[lone wadi]

chest has little to do with weapon choice but rather content, if the content youre doing is hard to maintain high stacks its not worth using

[meager fog]

Ceska Oblit is the go to. With Coyotes mask means you don't have to worry about stacking crit chance

[violet juniper]

don't use the chest.

[lone wadi]

chest is great for incursion and certai bosses during raids

[meager fog]

Absolutely has it's place

[plain girder]

How does true patriot work? Do i have to shoot at a target 2 activate buffs nd debuffs for teammates or is it individual they get those buffs nd debuffs as they shoot their inidivual targets without me as long as i have TP equipped?

[cerulean smelt]

mechanically the red/white/blue are constantly changing and each time you shoot an npc it'll get 1 to 3 of the colors put on it. then your teammates shoot and get them buffs instantly depending on the colors painted on the target

[hoary valve]

is there a build for xp farm in kenly college ?

[cerulean smelt]

think the fastest is probably some kind of oxidizer skill build

[violet juniper]

I need to try this

[cerulean smelt]

what's with the ridgeways?

[novel ember]

guys do we have way to save more than 16 loadouts ??? i need to try more builds but i cant save anymore how can i fix this ???

[violet juniper]

I wanna make the build around ridgeways

ridiculous Regen, 30% amp, 18% increase from Wicked on top of HF amp

[cerulean smelt]

yes, create and level another agent to 40 and start putting builds on that agent

[cerulean smelt]

will you tell us how it fares after you get it together and take it for a run?

[violet juniper]

Sure will

[novel ember]

any issue i will face on my watch ?? if i create one now im level 1500+

[cerulean smelt]

probably shouldn't but with this game and how many hands has dipped into the coding could run into a few things

thinking probably Trophies or achievements?

[patent fossil]

Watch levels are shared, along with many other things (commendations, expertise, potentially blueprints and resources if you choose). Spec points aren't though so you'll have to re-earn those.

[novel ember]

someone told me wait till 5k level then create a new char

why

[cerulean smelt]

was an old method in utilizing the scavenging points for materials

when you created a new agent, that new agent would just inherit the whole sum of your watch level in scavenging points. so you'd go spend points on resources until you're maxed out, go buy shared resources and go over the cap kind of thing

[patent fossil]

Tbf there was never a reason to not create a spare character, the thing was not to delete and recreate a mule if you were low shd level.

[novel ember]

im just carring about the loadouts and dont need to face any issue on my watch

[cerulean smelt]

btw: if you're hunting for the 3 raid exclusives. you can use the 2nd to 4th agents each week for a chance at those exotics btw
also if you got the materials to donate for the SHD requisition you can do that 4 times a week as well

[novel ember]

and for this point ya so useful but the problem is no team for raids xDD ive played them for 2 or 3 times only

[novel ember]

guys i just found out i have a new char but said boosted character ??

but its 31 as you can see

[hoary valve]

what would that look like?

[cerulean smelt]

no clue honestly

[onyx sage]

did you start at lv30 or at lv1?

[novel ember]

cant remmeber mate but it looks like i created this before and played till 30 now i should delete it and create it again for booster right ?

[cerulean smelt]

i'd imagine Technician with Atrificer hive and Oxidizer and specific 6 pieces of gear that increases either the skill damage or duration or a combination of both

[onyx sage]

no, you can still boost to 40 if that's what you want to do

[novel ember]

how? i cant see the boost option there

[onyx sage]

you have brooklyn?

[novel ember]

yai have them all bro

[onyx sage]

go to the store page in game and find the lv40 booster, you can use it there

[novel ember]

i will check this