td2-build-advice

[odd ginkgo]

Check the pins for a gear spreadsheet, the builds are in there.

[lapis galleon]

🙏 ty

[glacial isle]

you got a screenshot of this build, i been trying so many different backfire builds but still have yet to find one that suits my playstyle

[subtle bluff]

Don't need backfire

[hexed steppe]

backfire striker probably has the best synergy

[subtle bluff]

IMO HF is better

Get one kill CC and stack the rest afterwards

[hexed steppe]

probably right

[glacial isle]

4pc striker ? which would be pretty much just chest piece, gloves, kneepads and holster ?

ill try hunter fury also

[subtle bluff]

No chest.

[glacial isle]

alright sounds good, run mask then right ? or should i use bag with coyote ?

[subtle bluff]

Your call for BF.

I don't full promote BF builds.

I'm just full red with BF if I ever use them.

[glacial isle]

im like a newish returning player and im gonna assume its because the backfire builds are kinda like a seasonal meta if you will type of build ?

[subtle bluff]

or when I guess.

YouTube meta if nothing

[glacial isle]

yea seems about right, pretty much all i would see on youtube is backfire this backfire that, the way i been finding builds is just queuing countdown n looking at high level players like 8k+ and see what they run

[subtle bluff]

It take too long to build up to be good

Don't get me wrong All Red Striker with BF is the highest DPS in the game but to get there take a min where you could do quicker DPS.

[glacial isle]

true, the difference between me trying a all red BF compared to ST Elmos with 4pc striker i dish out dps a lot quicker

i have just been in a boat of i wanna deal damage to help my team while also being able to survive in solo play i guess idek

[subtle bluff]

BF also range and handling is ass. SMG9 or Tac Vector 9 with killer is pretty good too.

[glacial isle]

i just ended up pulling the dark winter from conflict so if you got any build recommendations for that weapon ill gladly go farm it right now, i love SMG's

[subtle bluff]

I already said the better SMG

Same story with builds

[storm walrus]

hi, trying to upgrade my OD build, what stat should i aim for ?

[subtle bluff]

CHC/CHD

[storm walrus]

what ratio ? got 66% crit hit chance but i think i am a bit low on chd ?

[subtle bluff]

there is no ratio.

Without modifers you want to near CHC cap without going over then the rest into CHD.

[storm walrus]

ok, got 6% CHC lost so ?

[storm walrus]

thx for the tips

[patent fossil]

Ratio is ideally about 1:2 up until you reach 60:120 (without modifiers) then everything else in CHD.

[loud narwhal]

Does Ongoing Directive work with bluescreen when it comes to applying a status effect?

[solar sable]

yup

or well, at least that's what I know by localdeck's OD build

[rich lotus]

how do i get my hunters fury pieces to have armor as the core atts then chd as attribubutes

bc everytime i recalibrate the core to be armor i cant change the normal attributes

[onyx sage]

you farm so that they already have chd and just reroll the core

[rich lotus]

I didn't think ab that lol

[safe perch]

I've only just hit level 30, and unlocked specializations as well as modifiers and I feel like with the global modifier active the game just got a bit harder. Is there a place I can find starter builds? Like progressing into a build/speciailization for the first time?

[loud pine]

yea but its not the greatest, i prefer emp sticky to proc OD

[viscid flume]

Hey all, I have completed the game so to speak, and am now leveling up the watch, my build is 4 piece striker set and then 2 high level brand sets either the same or random at the moment I have a gila for armour and w & h I think for 5% weapon damage, it’s ok for damage at hard but I feel it is a bit weak even though 4 of the core atts are amour and 2 is weapon damage

What do you guys think 🥴

[loud pine]

a screenshot of the build would be the most helpful thing for everyone to see

[viscid flume]

I also use drone for damage and turret as a gunner

😃

[viscid flume]

Thanks for the help by the way

[loud pine]

youre probably feeling weak because of playstyle but you can get more damage dropping the gila guard piece for a ceska obliterate

i bet your crit chance isnt looking too high without a ceska piece on

[viscid flume]

Ok cool I’ll try that, I used to be a gila set going to high health and damage and I run and gun but starting to use cover now and being patient but it is still work in progress

I have chd, chc and head shot damage as mods in the equipment one of each

[loud pine]

thing is with division 2, people never used cover much in division 1 so they made enemies much more punishing to you if youre in the open in this game

[loud pine]

as a general rule, you get to 52~ chc if theres a coyotes in group

if youre running solo, you should get striker kneepads with crit damage on them and a coyotes mask

watch levels only 207, so your crit chance/damage will be a tad lower but when thats maxed + ceska + weapon mods you should be at 50%+ crit chance which is where you wanna be

[viscid flume]

Ok cool thanks 🙏 much appreciated

Hey @loud pine one last question, why should I have striker knee pads if running solo, if I have 4 striker pieces does it matter where they are I.e mask , chest, etc?

[loud pine]

coyotoes mask is one of the best exotics in the game so thats your mask slot taken up, and strikers chestpiece isnt worth it unless you can maintain the extra stacks which is only a few select activities

[viscid flume]

Ok thanks again 🙏

[loud pine]

it is absolutely worth getting a usable striker chestpiece though for the future

[subtle bluff]

Keeping a full set of strikers isn't bad.

[viscid flume]

Thank you agents 🤪

[short cypress]

Hello there I wish to know and have aid about this 170/000 armour on a striker build

[subtle bluff]

Need more context to your question.

[scenic ice]

Any good builds for backfire that aren’t 4 piece striker ?

[worn mango]

Memento/Hunters Fury would be fine

[rich lotus]

What's the best way to get optimization cacjes?

[fair dragon]

Global Events

[short cypress]

Division 2 striker build

How do poeple get the one hundred and seventy thousand armour on it ?

[near elm]

What kind of weapons are used in support builds?

[mint axle]

Depends on the support.
Support builds can be healer, damage share, armor share...

[near elm]

Well I'm working on a refractor build atm

[mint axle]

Get capacitor then

[timid rain]

Guys, what builds i could use for solo legendary?

And what's the best striker build currently?

[stray atlas]

which one is better for paradise lost?

[mint axle]

none

[hoary sail]

better to do striker build if u want to go there

[urban latch]

Neither. You want an all red striker build with the chest and backpack. Acs12 to build stacks, and your weapon of choice but ideally backfire (no haz pro). Bloody knuckles for wright and lovebirds ideally.

[limpid ocean]

Can ridgeways be used with ongoing directive

[tired falcon]

yes, but if using Ongoing Directive you should use the chest piece as it buffs your amplified damage to 50%.
It's easy to put targets on status effect, by weapons or skills.
For example, using St. Elmo, Iron Lung, Bluescreen, Scorpio.
For skills, any of the "pulse" types works (scanner, jammer, banshee), or use foam chem launcher.

If you really want to use Ridgeway, combine it with striker or hunters fury. Personally I would use hunters fury as the short range requirement synergizes with Ridgeway

[tawny mesa]

Is that using the current passives which grant hazpro? Otherwise how do you mitigate bleed

[loud pine]

you dont take bleed at max stacks

[tawny mesa]

No not if passives are active hence asking

[onyx sage]

he's answering your "otherwise" question

[tawny mesa]

Obviously and without answering it

[loud pine]

are you dense

[onyx sage]

not sure what you're trying to say here

[loud pine]

you get max stacks and the bleed doesnt apply thats how you ‘mitigate’ it

if you need to build into resisting the bleed, then youre better off with something else

after 3 reloads you stop taking the bleed too

[dreamy valve]

I find that Strikers doesn’t make a huge difference when using Backfire, and having max hazard protection in all status effects instead is such a great utility for it while removing having to play the bleed minigame

[tawny mesa]

Max stacks is very powerful. But it going be interesting to use who uses backfire when the passives change.

[dreamy valve]

My Ironlung + strikers feels a bit more powerful vs Backfire + strikers anyways

I would still use Backfire after this season since I used it for 3 years before it was even meta

Even without the global modifiers, I feel my hazpro Backfire build can still be pretty useful in certain content or situations

That said, Mosquito might be one of my favorite exotics until they ‘fix’ it

[tawny mesa]

Do you have new mask? That helps. Mosquito is great and helped with imminence.

[urban latch]

the season modifiers arent active in the incursion, so your relying on the fact that you dont bleed after 3 quick reloads/max stacks

[dreamy valve]

Catharsis? I think we’re all waiting for Tinkerer

[tawny mesa]

Yes thats what i refer to. Your right tinkerer is going to be interesting.

[dreamy valve]

Tinkerer is going to remove some really useful utility for my builds, so it’s going to come down to how much damage it is worth trading for in some of my existing loadouts

I’ll probably use it in at least 1 loadout as a permanent slot unless some other development comes my way

[near elm]

I tested my refractor build in leg co op and a problem I realised is that some people find themselves in generally bad positions and die. While I use the sniper turret, it has a reload time between shots and effective armour boosting. Is there any tried way to close the 4s gap between shots, or fill the time by using something just as effective.

[subtle bluff]

Dont use Sniper turret.

[near elm]

Can you elaborate?

[subtle bluff]

Assault Turret DPS will output the same damage in the end as sniper but be more consistent is dmg which gives out more repair.

[hearty owl]

Sniper turret is goated

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, use a regular turret and drone. Better damage overall and constant heals. I also utilize the refactor chest in legs

[subtle bluff]

Did I mention something about refactor I found out?

[wicked matrix]

Does anyone know of any site like remnant 2 has for finding builds

[subtle bluff]

no. In the pinned messages it there.

[hexed steppe]

Nope, what did you find out?

[subtle bluff]

oops. Empathic Resolve procs with Refactor

[indigo gazelle]

Striker scales so good with st Elmo? Better than use named fenris for example?

I’m using st Elmo, acs12 as sec, and striker + memento

[subtle bluff]

Striker scale with anything with good with high RPM

[subtle bluff]

Ceska is better than Fenris

[indigo gazelle]

Ceska? I don’t think so

Hazard protection & health as bonus…

[subtle bluff]

CHC is better

Getting more CHC so you can get more CHD

[versed summit]

the first bonus is the onlly one you use lol

[indigo gazelle]

So the suggestion is to use only 1 piece of ceska?

[subtle bluff]

I think so 🤪

[indigo gazelle]

And for the other 4 pieces?

[cinder wedge]

:O how?

[indigo gazelle]

My question was if it’s better use fenris and other named pieces instead of striker…

[versed summit]

Well sometimes

But mostly no

That was not clear at all in how the question was worded

[indigo gazelle]

Sorry, English is not my main

[subtle bluff]

CHD/CHC is more valuable than WD when you're asking this.

[versed summit]

Tbf you wouldn’t ever want 3 pc fenris

[indigo gazelle]

Mmm bc I have more CHD/CHC with fenris and other named pieces

[subtle bluff]

I posted a guide...

[subtle bluff]

You cannot when Ceska give you 8 CHC

[indigo gazelle]

Bro, I just want to know if striker beats named pieces… is the only thing I asked

[subtle bluff]

Named and Exotics aren't always the best nor are needed for every build.

[subtle bluff]

And I posted you a whole build pic guide for you to look and copy for what's Better.

[indigo gazelle]

So striker beats those

[subtle bluff]

maybe? We don't have the full context of what you're trying to ask for specifically.

[urban latch]

A proper high end build will have more initial damage, a striker build will do more once it builds striker stacks. So the answer is situational

[indigo gazelle]

And that st Elmo it’s not the ideal here?

[urban latch]

Other weapons can do more damage, but elmis is fine. It's close enough in damage to be balanced.

[indigo gazelle]

Ok ok, ill try it thanks

[novel ember]

guys whats the best and fast way to get these?? im playing cps but nothing drops

[serene siren]

Hey guys, how do you get the Matador backpack? I’ve ran countless countdowns with zero luck

[hexed steppe]

keep farming level 3+ controlpoints until the bluueprint drops. or outcast named npcs can drop *assessments iirc

[hexed steppe]

dz exclusive so dz, named caches (any source), sometimes dz or cd vendor can have

[violet juniper]

it's a dark zone only item. You can get it from dark zone in general, dark zone caches, and named caches. It occasionally pops up in countdown and DZ vendor too

CD vendor is how I got it

[hexed steppe]

interesting.. guess ill have to field test this 🍻

[serene siren]

Thanks guys

[novel ember]

tell me tomorrow how it is

[coral onyx]

for someone who haven't gotten lexington, is it better to get police m4 streamline talent or stick with st elmo? damage-wise

[subtle bluff]

elmos always work. If you want more dmg m4 with killer

[coral onyx]

killer over streamline even on group play?

[subtle bluff]

group play do elmo

[coral onyx]

thank you

[sweet pond]

Best attribute for St Elmo's Engine?

(striker build)

[subtle bluff]

All weapons it's DTTooC

[mighty tusk]

except for LMG

[subtle bluff]

CHC then for that

[shy willow]

They must've added this cuz this was not the case before

I wonder if this means that the deflector procs refactor as well now

[green basin]

Does anyone have an idea or explanation of the build egbs?

[subtle bluff]

egbs?

[green basin]

aegis

[subtle bluff]

there are no good builds or use for it.

Tanks aren't used in this game other than for one Raid for one Fight.

[green basin]

Okay, thanks

[normal oxide]

Idk if I should be running Heart Seeker or Striker

[subtle bluff]

Striker if you need more HeartBreaker

[normal oxide]

More what?

[subtle bluff]

More survival

[normal oxide]

Is it a big dmg difference between them?

@subtle bluff

[subtle bluff]

More or less.

[normal oxide]

Aight, tyty

[odd ginkgo]

To get DPS, you sacrifice survivability. To get survivability, you sacrifice DPS.

[hoary valve]

no a idea that pop up in my head but i will try to build one

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't work well unless you first stack then make sure you hit HS

[normal oxide]

So what is a good DPS build for solo play?

[violet juniper]

Aegis sucks

if you do want a tank build, headshot Regen with Bighorn and Thorn is probably the best you'll get

At least one red core

[pseudo belfry]

In need of a build for Provacator Vest. It’s been sitting in the stash with 0 proficiency :/ and I wanna use it more

[violet juniper]

eh...

[pseudo belfry]

True

[violet juniper]

it's a bit of a useless gear piece

I love the idea of it, but tanking in this game is just counterproductive

I would say a hunters fury build would be the best use case for it

you can't really use it in PvP because unbreakable and catharsis are better

[normal oxide]

Is Striker any good for high difficulty solo play?

[violet juniper]

it's the number 1 DPS build in the entire game.

[pseudo belfry]

Agreed
I’ll just throw some material on it to make it proficient.
Then dismantle for the exotic comp.

[normal oxide]

So I can use it for solo play?

[violet juniper]

yup

as much as I hate it, striker is pretty much the best build

[normal oxide]

Okay, tyty

[sweet pond]

How do I reroll an attribute on an exotic

[violet juniper]

You don't

you reconfigure the entire gun

[sweet pond]

Is that at the tinker station somewhere?

[loud pine]

nope, crafting bench

[wispy sluice]

you maybe need to buy the blueprint first

[sweet pond]

I was at tinkers not crafting, found it thanks to @loud pine . Thank you!

[soft crane]

Anyone got a link for a build builder?

[simple turret]

I created a build from one of the dps spreadsheets here and just wanted to get some advice on it

[hearty owl]

You have the right idea but that “AR” is terrible

also want Obliterate on that chest not empathic resolve

Any high end AR will do you better than Chameleon, it’s just impractical to have all 3 buffs active consistently

[simple turret]

ahh kk thanks i was just useing what i took from my playstation didnt know the chamelion was that bad

[fiery gust]

I'd probably switch the shotgun to an ACS-12 style one as well. Lefty or Rock n' Roll are good picks. Both can be used to quickly build Striker stacks if needed and they have fairly decent damage output at close range. Lefty has the Perfect Sledgehammer talent, which is also nice for a lot of things. Pistol is flexible really, though a TDI "Kard" Custom is going to be BiS choice for late game due to having a +1 Skill Tier attribute. Basically, you could switch to pistol, throw your Revive Hive, revive a teammate, then pick your Hive back up and still have a charge on it for yourself or someone else.

Mask is also something I'd change. That's a D&H mask, which is for pistol damage. You would be much better off with a Coyote, Grupo, or even like a Walker, Harris & Co. or Imminence Armaments for the generic weapon damage. If you're mainly using an AR, you could even go with Fenris. Use whatever you need to properly balance your critical stats. At your level, Coyote or Grupo is going to be best.

[simple turret]

kk thanks ill get onto that right now then

[solar sable]

Lefty and R&R are good choices for Raids or necessary stacking/procc-ing sledge.
A regular ACS-12 with Brazen is way better if you're doing content without Striker Chest.

[fiery gust]

Yea, sorry. Was thinking in terms of raids mostly. Brazen is a good talent for general use, that's true.

[hoary valve]

what mods do you run with for the gear

[simple turret]

all crit chance and dmg

tried to even it out so if i remember correct mask and chest had chance and my backpack had dmg

[hoary valve]

k

[hoary valve]

for the cheat do you run Obliterate?

[simple turret]

currently trying to farm for one

[hoary valve]

any good tank builds?

[turbid oak]

How good is building into skill spam? If it is, which skills should I run?

[hexed steppe]

Depends on what you're trying to do.

For spamming cluster seekers you would use hardwire with some sort of turret or hive as your feedback loop trigger (makes sense when you read the talent)

Highend mortar setup is also really strong and doesnt need any help for spamming. It's like a 10sec cooldown so you can go all skill and explosive damage

Personally I find mortar superior, but I'm also highly biased

For anything else like turret/drone oxi you'll be running highend to maximize damage output.
All are listed on the pinned sheet. 📌
my personal setups are linked in my profile

[odd ginkgo]

Check the pins. There is a builder linked in there.

[hoary valve]

any good tank builds?

[violet juniper]

lol no

[gray estuary]

how was one play in afull raid

like no one is playing

[odd ginkgo]

Try the GCROCK community Discord server. They group up for raids often.

[versed summit]

The community discord is pretty good for raids on PC as well.

[odd ginkgo]

They usually recommend the GCROCK discord there too.

[hoary valve]

😔

[odd ginkgo]

Tank builds just aren't a thing in this game. Try a hybrid DPS build with some armor. Take the Strikers build from the pins and try to roll some blue cores on. Try one at a time.

[hoary valve]

i like how you say tank builds aren’t a thing but they are on youtube

[solar sable]

youtube LMAO
YT is just... not a good source of build information.

[hoary valve]

neither is discord

[solar sable]

...
okay so the Spreadsheet that's pinned in this channel is full of misinformation?

[onyx sage]

things being on youtube don't necessarily mean they're good

[hoary valve]

is the internet because if so the internet is filled with all false information

unless if you want to take computing class

[solar sable]

ragebait used to be believable

[onyx sage]

okay then both youtube and the spreadsheet are full of false information, so you defeated your own argument

[solar sable]

bro left

[odd ginkgo]

Lol

[onyx sage]

He hurt himself in his own confusion!

[hexed steppe]

what did i miss

[solar sable]

someone wanted to start an arguement and left because he didn't think of it beforehand

[onyx sage]

we drove him to contradict himself

[hexed steppe]

ones worst enemy is usually in the mirror 👴

[versed summit]

For console players sure

[violet juniper]

we have spreadsheets made by people who've sat and logged numbers for each build and variation of it. Including every single weapon.

oh he left

[solar sable]

late to the party as always

[violet juniper]

I was too busy in bed with your uncle

[solar sable]

yo!

[violet juniper]

im just playing lol

I have been playing a lot of fight night champion though, so I'm definitely late

[limpid ocean]

Is the od build in the doc still useable. Idk how long ago y6 s3 was

[subtle bluff]

like a month ago

we delete the doc that aren't good anymore

[glad heart]

striker doc is broken, at least it is for me....

[urban latch]

seems to be working for me?

[glad heart]

Don't know

[glad heart]

Ok, in Chrome is is ok... seems firefox don't like the striker page for some reason, all the others work fine

[urban latch]

huh, weird

[glad heart]

Thanks, I already have three striker builds.... but occasionally check back to make sure my mind is clear

[urban latch]

do other google docs work in your browser?

[glad heart]

Yes they do

Seems the striker page, is dark background with white text... in dark mode, it all is black.... turned of dark reading mode and striker popped in firefox.... interesting

[indigo gazelle]

top build for running around the map and get bosses? And for iron horse raids?

[solar sable]

strikers is the basic build but for IH a HE build is the best option afaik

[velvet jasper]

any recommendations for a good build to do the weekly legendary missions? i have healer build and dps build but i was looking for something else

[vivid steppe]

Ts ok for dz?

[slate wedge]

you can run this, but if you wanna fight people you will have a hard time

[delicate reef]

Returning player after around 12 months away.

Whats the go to builds now, any advice welcome 🙏

[chrome dune]

strikers is the most used right now

and i see strikers with hazpro and backfire with seasonal modifiers a lot too

[sudden cloak]

That's all over YouTube right now

Mostly legendary builds from what I seen that'll likely be less usable after this seasons modifiers go away

[sudden cloak]

@delicate reef I'd suggest trying to put this build together to start off

[chrome dune]

i run it in normal heroic. works great. And yes, after the seasonal modiefiers end it will not me usable. you need the 30% hazpro for it to work. but for the time being very fun to use

[delicate reef]

Yeah just downloaded that, think i will give it a shot once the servers are back up and running.

Im still currently using a striker build but its no where near optimal for what i need

[chrome dune]

yes. I think that is one of the most used build to this date. I run it with fenris instead of ceska. but that is preference

[sudden cloak]

Heroic content you should be fine to continue running it, it's just the legendary content that it might not be as great in

[sudden cloak]

It can also serve as a basic raid DPS build as well

[delicate reef]

Been fancying grafting for the eagle bearer as its something i never got round to getting 🤔

[sudden cloak]

I've been leaning into my high end Backfire build, doesn't do quite as much dmg as strikers but it can definitely work in legendaries even after the modifiers change

[chrome dune]

never been a fan of the eagle bearer. made a few builds with it but it never convinced me. looks great on my wall tho 😀

[sudden cloak]

It's a solid exotic, definitely shines in PVP, it's pretty good for pve though, but everyone has their preferences

[chrome dune]

true. And yes, i see this more as a pvp gun

[chrome dune]

yiou could always try out a rifle build. since they made them automatic there are lots of possibilities.

[sudden cloak]

There's an 1886 build I've been using instead of my usual hotshot

[chrome dune]

unfortunately that one is not an automatic. but very fun to use nonetheless

[sudden cloak]

Yeah, I use it with HH

Just needed to use something other than my white death

[fair ether]

Throw an armor core or 2 on there if you like. You can still one shot everything and you're a lot harder to kill too

[indigo gazelle]

Best build for DZ PvP?

[subtle bluff]

There is no best

[slate wedge]

go bighorn tank with foam

[indigo gazelle]

What pieces?

[loud narwhal]

Anyone know where I can find a good skill build to carry me into Heroic? Striker and NF armet cutting it. I even tried blue core for tankiness and still get obliterated. Someone mentioned skill based build but I can't find one good enough or know really what I am looking for.

[patent fossil]

The pinned spreadsheet has a variety of builds. Standard 'safe but slow' options at the moment are turret and drone builds with high end or refactor pieces.
DPS builds on higher difficulties base their survivability on gameplay tactics - good positioning, situational awareness etc. These are habits well worth learning as those builds hold up in all content, while skill builds will fail when you're dealing with emps, hunters, or raids/incursion.

[slate wedge]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwVgtAzAnG4EyTARjsMAGDXM+9gXEgGyxhoIRhQDseu9dhM45iRDHdG+clLYCTkMZJw-QV2H1CYsgMkKOPEAjQQSSYLU0xNADmQhOEdISKU0xRXhM9glUWBJSstkMrKrwx0xDRE0aiQnGAYTIA

something like this

matador would also be good but use 3 gila and 1 belstone then

[indigo gazelle]

No links please

[slate wedge]

why?

[indigo gazelle]

I dont trust in sources I dont know

[onyx sage]

okay well this is one of the best tools you can use to share builds so up to you if you want to look at it

moderators are already looking here and if it's a sus link it would've gone poofed

[slate wedge]

bro it is safe

[indigo gazelle]

Ok then, I’ll try

[slate wedge]

everybody uses it around here

[indigo gazelle]

Its a interactive tool, nice.

I’ll star to farm that build

[slate wedge]

Great good luck, if you have good aim this is one of the best you can use

other than that an umbra build is great aswell, especially for beginners

[harsh dagger]

Soooo I recently discovered the joy that is Determined White Death with Chainkiller chest piece and Hotshot w Backpack.

What weapon would you recommend as a backup in case of ammo running out or surviving a close range engagement? Currently have a Relic but I can swap that.

Additionally, Punch Drunk is my current mask, any other recommendations? Coyotes Mask? Catharsis?

[slate wedge]

1886 or the harvest

[harsh dagger]

I do hear good things about the 1886, perk preference?

[slate wedge]

well, determined

[versed summit]

Rifleman if you want more damage/are not determined inclined

[harsh dagger]

Both are good of course, I prefer Rifleman for Aces and Eights

But for something like the 1886, it makes sense because Determined is a "kill for" perk compared to Rifleman being a "hit for"

[dreamy valve]

Artist Tool is great if you have enough weapon handling

Max stacks is 66% weapon damage which is 3pc Imminence, and it’s higher than perfect streamline

[harsh dagger]

Which I have because Hotshot and Precision Smart Cover

[dreamy valve]

Cool, I’m using High end for it

90% weapon handling on the attributes since I wanted consistency without cooldown of Smart Cover

[solar sable]

what is this?

[lucid loom]

I’m I good with this build, I’m thinking about changing the white death for something else, plus it feels like forever upgrading rifles

[sudden cloak]

I'll be honest, I'm not sure what you're going for here with this build

[lucid loom]

I’ve been knocking people down with this build, it just slow on the upgrade

[solar sable]

I feel like you struggle in Heroic
ah PvP, it's bad either way

[lucid loom]

🤣🤣 I don’t play pvp modes

[sudden cloak]

If you're going to use white death you might as well pair it with hotshot, not umbra/negotiators

[solar sable]

Negotiators is a crit based build, not suited for MMRs. Rifles are great options for it

MMRs can be used in crit builds IIRC but in veeery specific scenarios

[lucid loom]

Ok bet, appreciate that

[sudden cloak]

There should be a link to a hotshot build in the pins

[harsh dagger]

I second their advice, it's amazing with Hotshot

[twin dew]

Hey agents! Wondering if someone could recommend any fun off the beaten track builds. I have most everything. Im really enjoying SMGs lately. Tired of running the same AR shield builds.

[sudden cloak]

Hunters fury is a build I like using

[pseudo belfry]

Where can I obtain the “handbasket” SVD from?

[hazy hull]

Mostly playing on challenging but any advice on improving this build

[subtle bluff]

Swap HB chest on and Ceska elsewhere once you get to heroic.

[stark dawn]

The Hoarder, e.g. travel to DZ South entrance, Jefferson Trade Center, DCD Headquarters, etc. to trigger them. May have to do it repeatedly because his drop is random.

[pseudo belfry]

Alrighty big thanks 💪🏾

[subtle bluff]

Only during seasonal events.

Idk if we're still in it.

[vestal ibex]

Yeah considering summer event just ended bro might be gone.

[stark dawn]

OK, yes, worked at least during the summer event, but maybe not anymore.

[pseudo belfry]

Say sike rn 🧍🏾

[pseudo belfry]

Nvm just obtain said rifle from loot goblin

And “snow machine” knee pads. Are those good?

[hoary sail]

just for troll on mobs

[half seal]

is the ouroboros still good or am i better off using something else with striker?

[pseudo belfry]

Understood

[pastel crane]

Any Backfire builds? Preferably one that doesn't rely on this season's modifiers

[bleak lagoon]

Killed a guy for that in the dz

[solar sable]

it's decent but back then it was broken, you can use whatever you want tbh

[worn elbow]

I managed to build this all from countdown how’s looking

I gotta upgrade the crit attributes ik

And protocols crits

[solar sable]

Looks great, just these adjustments and muah!

Ceska w/Oblit
all red cores

[worn elbow]

I’ll try to get that tonight

Btw I got a godroll contractor glove

15 weapon damage
8 damage to armor
6 crit chance

[solar sable]

also, you can use a regular ACS-12 with Brazen instead of lefty or R&R. Those are for different purposes

[worn elbow]

I got lefty from a random drop

But not a normal aa12 sadly yet

[solar sable]

keep it, it's recommended for stacking Striker chest stacks (duh) for e.g. Raids/Incursions or procc-ing Sledge on bosses

[charred eagle]

So I’m running umbra with big horn… but I wanna keep the nimble holster on for some survivability. And I know umbra has innate heals but the nimble is fun imo. Rn im running Umbra with the chest, mask, kneepads, and gloves. The gift for the backpack for perfect Vigi. N nimble holster…

Should I just put weapon handling or headshot dmg on the gear? Cause weapon handling I can hit more consecutive shot but headshot dmg I guess I’ll have a higher ttk

[worn elbow]

Alright I’ll try to get both cecka and normal aa12

[subtle bluff]

You're doing too much at once. Keep the build simpler. The more uptime on talent the better.

Also umbra and BH doesn't work best with each other. Either go HSD or crit not both.

[worn elbow]

Btw is bluescreen good with striker?

[solar sable]

almost anything is good with it

[worn elbow]

Alright thanks

[charred eagle]

How am I doin too much at once? I’m only using nimble for when I’m in danger and goin into cover here and there with umbra for the stacks

[subtle bluff]

Vs just shooting more.

For everyone.
Exotics and Named gear/weapons aren't always the BiS or needed for every build.

[worn elbow]

Fr I had a police m4 it literally carried me until I got some good exotics

[charred eagle]

I get that. But it’s what the ppl like. If it’s Bis to them then more power to em, I was just tryin to see how I could improve the bighorn on umbra, don’t care if they not good for each other.

[subtle bluff]

I'll explain this way:
WD DPS either is going one of 2 way for stats, HSD or CHC/CHD
BH has not CHC/CHD mods on it, so you need stats a lot into CHC which takes away from CHD. BH is only very expectional with doing all HSD but then the issue is that not everything has heads on them.
Umbra is all about RoF and CHD.

[south fulcrum]

Hey people,
any advice on how to improve my build (PVE) ? Dmg wise it kinda ok crit dmg is around 400k with the exotic wep (stats still need optimizations )
however i am too squishy and get shredded by npcs . Usually i will go with some blue cores for sustainability however i read somewhere that its a no no in the striker build (still trying to figure this calibration system, i am still used to the original one from the div1 )

Thanks in advanced

[subtle bluff]

Take off Glass Cannon if you're having issues for survival. Go obliterate instead.

You need more CHC too.

[feral anvil]

blue cores are NOT a no no for a striker build. sure you will lose out on DPS but you can output more if the blue cores are helping to keep you alive for longer. id also say if you are having trouble with damage, probably swap off of chameleon to st elmos, lexington, or maybe a police m4, since chameleon's main gimmick is activating buffs to increase your damage instead of having that instant damage you might need, no activating buffs required. i love the chameleon but i normally dont run it on a full 6 red core striker build since you will be putting out way more consistent damage with a more accurate, longer range gun.

[south fulcrum]

so how much ? at least 50 %

[south fulcrum]

ok got it , ty guys

[kindred mango]

Try with Exodus gloves. They are pretty sweet

[south fulcrum]

funny thing , i got them earlier with the exotic cache from completing one of the journeys , i will have a look at it. ty 🙂

[worn elbow]

I can enjoy challenging difficulty solo it been so long since I did this lmao

On ps4 it took me a long long time to make a build but with like 7 hours of countdown I’m 45% away from a full build

[kindred mango]

Exodus w/ Ceska GC/Obliterate chest is my humble recommendation if you’re feeling squishy. Exodus is like Unbreakable on gloves pretty much

[worn elbow]

It makes you invisible for 3 seconds

[south fulcrum]

if you need the striker set, you could farm it right now from The Manning National Zoo mission

[worn elbow]

Already half way like 45% done with my build cuz of countdown my friend

Btw I had rng lord on my side today

[glad heart]

I run the Striker/obliterate/exodus build in legendary.... ceska chest

[worn elbow]

Godroll elmo and bluescreen and coyote mask

I wish I had that luck before

[kindred mango]

Yes which lets you heal your armour up at the same time if you don’t re-engage right away

[worn elbow]

Yep very good for pvp ngl

[kindred mango]

I thought it did something different in pvp but maybe I’m wrong

[limpid niche]

In general, 3 cd or 2 cd and 1 cc mods for striker + obliterate + coyote?

[solar sable]

CHD/CHC*
You need at least 50% CHC and then everything goes to CHD.

[hexed steppe]

Should be easily hitting a 50chc/150 chd with striker+ ceska+ coyote .
Make sure to check with modifiers off as they throw the chc higher than normal

Personally, I dont bother with striker if not using the striker chest/bag. I'll nego or od otherwise. I feel like either performs just as well if not better because of talents (aoe or team buff)

[merry nest]

Is there a Perfect Obliterate chest?

[onyx sage]

no

[merry nest]

What's the reason behind dropping the chest piece for striker set? Isn't 100 extra stacks better than 20 weapon damage plus 12% mod crit dam?

[solar sable]

No one outside of raids/Incursion/Leggo can maintain all 200 striker stacks.

[onyx sage]

because you need to maintain those stacks

it's really difficult in content like heroic to maintain high enough stacks than 160+ to beat obliterate

[merry nest]

Thanks lads👍🏻 if I'm only having 100 stacks should I still use rock and roller shotgun?

[onyx sage]

imo no

[solar sable]

ACS-12 with Brazen is better

Lefty and R&R are commonly used in Raids or content where you need stacking

[merry nest]

Ok cheers, I'm just trying to get the exotic mask to drop then max fenris chest and I'm maxed apart from mods🤣 i love the exotic holster that gives more mag size then more damge and rate of fire going to hurt to take it off for the mask

[onyx sage]

go for ceska instead of fenris

it benefits your secondary as well

[merry nest]

I just seen someone was talking about the exact same thing as me above my bad 🤣🤣 what's the best set i should be working towards for countdown? Challenging is fine but tried heroic and was OK until the end got smashed

[limpid ocean]

Is recommended to run blues with hb

[subtle bluff]

HB comes with blues you don't have to reroll too it.

[limpid ocean]

Yeah but is running reds better?

[subtle bluff]

Yes

Unhealthing stuff faster is always better. There's a balance of the build and gameplay you need to have imo.

[tired falcon]

not much you can change there...use something else instead of Chameleon perhaps; besides that you could use a different exotic, such as Centurion holster or exodus gloves

[violet juniper]

get rid of the glass cannon and you're fine

[solar sable]

how good was centurion again?

[violet juniper]

Same level as exodus

Very good, but not great because you lose a bit of crit

If crit isn't an issue, amazing piece

[versed summit]

I mean it’s solid but there’s just not much of a reason to engage with the mechanic over using something more consistent like Coyote’s.

[sweet pond]

Wondering what I should use for my secondary, buddy said to use the Test Subject, but idk if I wanna run two AR. Thanks for any advice!

[versed summit]

There’s no reason to use test subject with these skills.

And is this for PvE or PvP?

[sweet pond]

Little of both, mainly wanted something for DZ

[versed summit]

We really recommend having separate builds for PvP and PvE, as the meta is leans towards being tankier for PvP and nearly completely damage focused for PvE.

[sweet pond]

This is my pve

Basically my DZ I run heroics and only go rogue if I get attacked

[versed summit]

For PvP though, I’d just recommend this

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/161_yC3r9p6aAJ_SxyfLkSQHavkU4P7lTzKkqJlIrA14/edit?usp=drivesdk

[sweet pond]

for just pvp or for DZ in general

[versed summit]

It’s more PvP leaning, but it will do fine for landmark farming

This is my preference for landmark farming. I find memento is really good as you can just stack up a lot of trophies around, so if someone tries to ambush you, you can take advantage of those.

[hazy steeple]

@sweet pond You can tell its PvP focused, since it uses the NinjaBag with a straight face.

[sweet pond]

Okay, thank you! I will start farming tomorrow and give them a test run. Grealyt appreciate it!

[versed summit]

iKia has found some good uses for it in PvE, it’s a little bit of cope, but there’s a niche for it

[hexed steppe]

My only ninja build

[onyx sage]

i bought bleach the first time you showed this

[hexed steppe]

Working on a second copy utilizing capacitor and crit attributes

[onyx sage]

i think i should buy acid for that one

[odd ginkgo]

Why not both?

[hexed steppe]

Called for backup the other day and the 5 digits that showed up said I didnt need any help..threw the first one on and said carry me 😂

[onyx sage]

LOL

[hexed steppe]

I'll say tho, it's funny seeing everything attack that even with a couple striking just mowing shit down

[hazy steeple]

I think using that build in a public setting is sufficient legal grounds for committing you.

[unique bloom]

I'm allergic to striker

[hexed steppe]

Used it in leg one day too.

Needed testing

[hazy steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/hindinberg-gif-8186162

[hexed steppe]

Just needed to dps at the end

[hazy steeple]

the fact that the gif is so poorly made that they left in the youtube bar is :chefskiss:

[hexed steppe]

that gif is exactly what my decoy looks like in any outcast mission

[onyx sage]

in what content?

cuz in heroic or below this works, most stuff works

[unique bloom]

I just want a dps build for pve that doesn't involve stacks

[onyx sage]

pve isn't that specific

like legendary is pve, but it's probably not gonna favor no stack builds

[odd ginkgo]

Negotiator's Dilemma doesn't use stacks.

[subtle bluff]

It ask something like stacks

[odd ginkgo]

It just wants you to spread your bullet gifts around.

I've got a non-meta rifle DPS CHC/CHD build that doesn't use stacks. I run Diamondback with it.

[unique bloom]

Not primarily, but it does have the chd boost per marked death

[odd ginkgo]

I think most builds are tied to some sort of use case mechanic. Find the ones you like.

I don't like having to build up stacks to see the full potential of Strikers, but it just clears content so well that it has a permanent home in my inventory.

[unique bloom]

I've always just used the standard glass cannon build

I don't even have Striker

[odd ginkgo]

Well you did say you were allergic to it, so best not to wear.

[velvet jasper]

any advice build for incursion like paradise lost?

[sudden cloak]

Striker with chest and BP, we should have a link to an incursion dps build in the pinned section, there's also FI healer build with btsu and the setup BP

[velvet jasper]

thanks buddy

[sudden cloak]

I think lol

I may have grabbed the wrong link

[velvet jasper]

i think so too hahah

[sudden cloak]

So mobile is just this long shtick lmao

[hexed steppe]

go ahead and get your preferred eyewash ready 💦 👀 🧪

-# nowhere near optimized

[onyx sage]

i'm blind already

[solar sable]

Why.

[sudden cloak]

I'm concerned for you rn 😂

[slate wedge]

ewww. wtf is that

[hexed steppe]

oh, just the best tank ever

paired with artificer it can outlast most encounters. if its close enough itll keep resetting the time indefinitely *while artificer still stowed. its all meme, ofc but it is functional and i do get some funny reactions... expecially with everyone running det hh builds for this ge

at a certain point one gets bored

[bright raptor]

it does look a bit like the explosive delivery "meta" build once posted here

[limpid niche]

with refactor, when is it worth to use the chest or bag?

[subtle bluff]

Either. Use chest and BP talent that give you more dmg.

[limpid niche]

did u mean never/neither?

[subtle bluff]

Neither.

Doing more dmg you do more heals.

[narrow locust]

I've been running the backfire build with 4 piece striker n momento for awhile n just got st elmos engine and have a perfect eagle bearer and never ran either one, are there any viable builds for either that are fun this season. Just returning this season so I'm a little behind on everything

[hexed steppe]

i would never use the set bag, refactor chest is pretty significant boost to heals.

[subtle bluff]

Almost anything is viable up to solo heroics.

[timber dagger]

Hi all I saw a guy on reddit with an all red high end one shot pistol build using claws out. In the video he 1 shotted everything. Before copying his build - can I still do that with group scaling (4)?

[patent fossil]

With reanimated active you can, otherwise you'll likely not reach the damage breakpoints in 4-player heroic/legendary (unless the new brandset raises the bar enough)

[timber dagger]

@patent fossil that's exactly what I wanted to know. Thanks!

[violet juniper]

What does it do?

[patent fossil]

It's a decoy build

[violet juniper]

With no Mantis?

[patent fossil]

Artificer keeps decoy alive (and good placement so it doesn't just get shot)

[violet juniper]

uh huh, but no Mantis?

[strong cave]

I doubt you'll be doing enough damage to utilize mantis Headshots

I made mine the similar way but instead utilized Aegis

[odd ginkgo]

Just got my first Oxpecker. What build does it drop nicely into?

[strong cave]

Hunters fury + Shield. The oxpecker damages your shield while using the gun + shield at the same time. Dealing damage repairs it for a certain amount. MP7 is not all that great in terms of base damage so Oxpecker will be weak as well

You're better off using a whole different weapon entirely

(in other words, Oxpecker drops nicely into the "useful Component" category)

[hard sapphire]

Does Banshee Pulse count as pulsing a target for Flatline Talent? I forget.

[strong cave]

I'm not 100% sure, but I think so. I ran mine with banshee pulse + Eagle Bearer + Memento backpack for a while

[hard sapphire]

Woah, That's exactly what I am doing here. Did you inspect me or something lol?

[strong cave]

As for flatline talent, I'm not 100% certain. I'm fairly sure if you run it with heartbreaker it'll work

[hard sapphire]

Oh I am doing exactly that. Eagle Bearer/Dare, Momento with Heartbreaker.

[strong cave]

Yeah it'll work then, just take an ACS-12 shotgun for stacks

[hard sapphire]

Just trying to figure out what I should use for my second Skill

[strong cave]

Shield would go good or reviver hive

[worn elbow]

Fellas for bluescreen and ongoing directive build which one should I try to get catalyst or memento?

[strong cave]

Could do defender drone as well

[strong cave]

Neither. Go with coyote mask + ceska bag with Wicked or Unstoppable force

[worn elbow]

Oh alright then thanks

So I swap out contractor glove

[strong cave]

Considering ongoing Directive is a good Support/DPS set, coyote leans into support a bit more. Bluescreen has no crit mods, so that ceska bag will be for sure useful in making up lack of chc

[worn elbow]

Alright then thanks

[worn elbow]

If I get a good ceska chest piece then my build is fully ready?
( I’ll do some optimization later ik)

[subtle bluff]

You want to change out that talent.
Chest and BP talent are Very strong and you want to use equipment with the right talent. In your case obliterated.

[worn elbow]

Sorry for the long wait but yes it’s a pic from yesterday I forgot to send the new one my bad and I’m farming for that rn and I have put red core on the blue one ye

[subtle bluff]

uh?

Ceska CHC/CHD and Obli

[worn elbow]

Yes I’m farming for that rn got a nice ceska chest piece but no obliterate yet

[hexed steppe]

dont need mantis if it can stay up indefinitely. just a meme i been toying with, not anything for reanimated

[odd ginkgo]

So she's a stash queen. Until I need the storage slot.

[strong cave]

Pretty much that too

[rare field]

is it fine to use striker with coyote all blue cores?

[worn elbow]

Got another bluescreen max lmg and max out of cover damage and max health damage that’s a good one right?

[patent fossil]

If you don't mind having rather lower damage, sure. You won't be as welcome in certain group content like raids though.

[patent fossil]

It's decent, although crit chance is the generally preferred 3rd attribute

[worn elbow]

Oh ok thanks for info

[strong cave]

striker with blue cores will be alright. at most you need is 3 blue cores. sweet spot is 2. I run mine with 3 and i use nimble holster

[worn elbow]

Fellas how’s the 2nd build looking

I’ll try to get another ceska with wicked and good crits but it will do for now

What else I can do to make it better?

[patent fossil]

A sadist weapon will hit for more damage, other than that it's pretty meta

[worn elbow]

Thanks

[worn elbow]

Btw will catalyst be good with this build?

[patent fossil]

It's ok but definitely not as strong as coyotes

[worn elbow]

Alright thanks again

I’ll rest from d2 I have been grinding countdown for 2 days and didn’t even play over 40 min in the new dlc💀

[loud pine]

get yourself a carnage and youll be golden

[worn elbow]

What does carnage do again?

[patent fossil]

Perfect sadist

[worn elbow]

Ohh yea I just looked it up

[loud pine]

kicks like a mule

[worn elbow]

Well ima get that later no more countdowns

[loud pine]

its not for everyone on console but i dont think its too bad

[worn elbow]

Why is that?

[loud pine]

@worn elbow

[worn elbow]

Oh ok

[outer agate]

best in slot ar for strikers? exotic and high end?

[versed summit]

Basically any high end ar above 800 RPM

There’s no reason to use an exotic unless you just like it for strikers

[outer agate]

true

[versed summit]

They’re really just worse options

[outer agate]

ive been using st elmos forever and im getting tired of it lol

[worn elbow]

Use something like lud or police m4 or famas

[outer agate]

wat abotu caretaker

[versed summit]

I’d skip lud

[outer agate]

lud doesnt have 800 rpm lol

[versed summit]

Caretaker is a little slower, but still strong damage

[worn elbow]

I don’t hear much talking about caretaker ngl

[versed summit]

Well most people don’t have it

[outer agate]

i only menton it bc it has perfect killer

[versed summit]

Or have Lexington

[outer agate]

true i just tested it

[worn elbow]

I have been playing countdown for 2 days straight and I haven’t even spend over 40 minutes in the dlc lmao

The worst luck I had was with ceska

After 100 of bagbacks I got a good one but not the talent I need

[outer agate]

mine was refactor gloves lol took me over 5 days to get gloves with skill damage lol

[worn elbow]

But will do for now

[inner rock]

caretaker is not very good

[outer agate]

im assuming the f2000 isnt good either?

im leaning towards famas bc of its rpm

[urban latch]

f2000 and famas are both very good

[meager fog]

F2000, Famas and Police M4 and Carbine 7 are the best none exotic. St Elmos Engine is godlike.

[loud pine]

elmos best part is the mag size and shock ammo

the actual dps of the gun is behind a few others but the mag size is just so nice

[meager fog]

Shield Splinterer is quite a nice gun, if you can be bothered to farm for it.

+4.5% damage every 3 rounds fired can stack pretty nicely

[versed summit]

You can craft

[worn elbow]

No blueprint

[versed summit]

That’s not true. It’s just not the best

[versed summit]

Farm bps

[worn elbow]

What

[versed summit]

Blueprints

[worn elbow]

Oh k

[novel ember]

guys do we need critchance more thank 50 ? or its ok for 40\50 ?

[urban latch]

ideally you want to be right at the cap of 60% with over 120% CHD. If your fairly unoptimized and cant get that high then keep CHC and CHD as a 2:1 ratio, so like 50% CHD and 100% CHD

[novel ember]

now i have 54 chance 142d

[novel ember]

guys have you tried build for pestilence ?

[versed flame]

pestilence ?

Are you talking about an exotic machine gun??

[hoary sail]

yes that's it

[hoary sail]

yes i did some testing

[meager fog]

If you're stacking crit chance (for example by using Coyotes mask) you can put more Crit damage on to boost it. Crit chance isn't really useful iof your crit damage sucks. It's a balancing act.

[versed flame]

you can do this, or
the striker's build

[meager fog]

You want to be hitting minimum 50% for PVE content, which is fairly easy

[keen bobcat]

hey everyone, i'm new to the division 2 (100h), and i have problems with the storage, especially the mods. what is the maximum amount of mods i can equip at the same time ? currently i'm at 4, because of the Chill Out mask, are there other pieces that have two mod slots ? can i equip a mod on a glove / holster / knee pads ?

[versed flame]

If you make homemade crafts on a workbench
, you can install a mod there.

[kindred mango]

Improvised gear items don’t have any brand bonuses but give you a mod slot instead

[versed flame]

🤷‍♂️ choice)

[subtle bluff]

Do you have questions about it?

[keen bobcat]

didn't know about the improvised pieces, thanks. is there things other than the Chill out mask that can have two mods ?

[subtle bluff]

Just curious what mods are you using for these?

[keen bobcat]

i'm the "keep it just in case" kind of player, so it's just so i know how many of each mods i have to keep

[subtle bluff]

Just to note there's only really one mod that would be used the rest aren't worth.

Brandset bonus are bigger.

[keen bobcat]

and 17 mods * 12 possible slots * 2 (protocol and system), that's 408. but now that i know that the max is 7 slots, it's only 238

i'll have more room in my stash now

[subtle bluff]

You'll never used all 7 slots unless it's for PFE

CHC, CHD, HSD, Skill Duration/Haste/Repair, maybe bleed resti mods and PFE mods the rest don't need.

[hoary sail]

not really

[subtle bluff]

I know how it all works and the math if you were.

and the BiS builds for it

[hoary sail]

i play it just for fun nd a change other than my mk46 but i know how it works dw

[keen bobcat]

also, for the mods, is there a difference between firearms and dexterity ? or is it just a different name for the same thing ?

[subtle bluff]

Names of it doesn't mean anything.

[tiny stone]

is HSD or DTOC better on bighorn for a pvp build?

[subtle bluff]

DttooC always

[indigo gazelle]

Is good the iron lung LMG these days?

[subtle bluff]

I love Iron Lung on strikers.

[indigo gazelle]

What’s the best atribute with strikers?

[tired falcon]

yes; what makes you think otherwise?

Iron Lung can be used in skill focused or dps focused builds.

Iron Lung with Ongoing Directive is very good; ie something like this
Coyote mask (or Catharsis)
Perfectly Wicked backpack
rest Ongoing Directive

also works great with a Vile Eclipse skill build

[indigo gazelle]

Better than strikers? What atribute and skills? Better skill focused or dps?

[subtle bluff]

Weapons Attributes will always be DttooC then CHC for LMG.

[lyric silo]

I’ve been trying a pahkan blue with True patriot set, memento backpack, and an obliterate chest piece. Idk if that’s any good or not but I’ve been enjoying it

[tired falcon]

I can't say if Iron Lung + strikers is better than Iron Lung + ongoing directive because it depends...strikers would give better sustained dmg whereas ongoing directive gives good dmg and buffs the team; so both are very good, can't go wrong either way.

in a dps build using Iron Lung as primary I typically use revive hive and either decoy or the new smart cover skill, depends on the situation.
My main point is that Iron Lung is flexible for creating builds/loadouts.

in a skill build since you're going for status effects, you can go with an ongoing directive skill build or eclipse protocol skill build; in both cases you would typically use the Vile mask. For skills you have a lot of options...jammer pulse is good, so is foam chem launcher, many good combinations.

There's named gear that you can leverage. There's a named backpack (think it's called Proxy) that makes your decoy shock enemies.
So you could go with jammer pulse and decoy, effectively outputting disrupted, shocked, burn status effects

[subtle bluff]

TP is just bad. Stop using it.

[lyric silo]

Then what should I use instead

[subtle bluff]

OD favors Sadist. 30/35% amp dmg is really hard to beat.

[subtle bluff]

Strikers.

I'll just say this way. There's a few of us that use Iron Lung on strikes and solo leggo with it.

I couldn't do the same with OD.

But most builds are viable on solo heroic or lower.

[tired falcon]

if you want to get the most out of Pahkan you have to account for it's slow rpm and pretty bad accuracy/stability...the natural fit is strikers (but that's good for just about any weapon in the game). You need to base your build on the pretty good per shot dmg of Pahkan.

So definitely NOT True Patriot...that's just a bad combination with Pahkan.
Strikers is the obvious choice, but umbra and negotiator also works well

[lyric silo]

Keep obliterate chest piece and memento?

[tired falcon]

depends...you can't apply bleed to electronics; that new talent which gives buff to any status effect, forget the name, that's the one I use but for myself generally when running ongoing directive I don't concern myself with the weapon talents

[subtle bluff]

Idk how you can not concern yourself with 30% amp dmg...

[tired falcon]

as I just said, you can't apply bleed to electronics 🙂
If I want to play in full sweaty mode and squeeze out every possible dmg from my loadout, then yes I consider electronics vs non-electronics.
That's why I now use that new weapon talent instead of Sadist....but it depends on my mood.

Sometimes I run with Carnage and St. Elmo with Catharsis and OD, in countdown, just for the lols

[subtle bluff]

Don't disagree when you can't bleed something having a 2nd weapon to deal with.

[novel ember]

which build can you share it

[novel ember]

im using this brnad but with mask coyote

[hoary sail]

just for infos i don't have 3 legmo on mine. 3 legmo are much better.

u can see some pestilence build in the spreadsheet in the pin msg

[hoary sail]

@novel ember 👆

[novel ember]

can you show me where is this builds im seeing just weaopns there

[solar sable]

farming that lengmo vest is 😵‍💫

[solar sable]

the build is just three messages above...

[novel ember]

omg the chest this one is rare as i know

[novel ember]

?

[solar sable]

it's one of those called "unicorn" pieces

[subtle bluff]

That's why there's 2 different builds in that post

[hoary sail]

like grupo chest in yellow with gc

[indigo gazelle]

Dammm thanks for all the explanation bro

[solar sable]

any brand piece that has a different core than the attributes will be harder to get

[novel ember]

need someoen just to show me where is the build in the sheet i cant find it

[solar sable]

Hub (Builds) tab

[indigo gazelle]

In st Elmo is better dmg to armor or Chd with striker?

I’ve got a perfect Elmo with dmg to armor

[hoary sail]

always dmg out of cover

[glad heart]

You do want damage to target out of cover on Elmo. That said, do not reconfigure the one you have. Run it as is: you still get the other benefits from Elmo. Try to get a second one to reconfigure.

My first one came with DTA max rolled as well, the second was, well.... junk. Reconfigured it to DTTOOC, took two times. third one dropped with DTTOOC.

[indigo gazelle]

This is my 3rd… 😅

[violet juniper]

Streamline doesn't actually do 42% or whatever number it is btw

it's not amp, whereas sadist is

[novel ember]

guys why i feel the dmg that comes from explosive build cluster is fake ? big numbers for nothing sometimes ! do you recommend it or something good

[bright raptor]

the health numbers on enemies above Normal are just that big

[hexed steppe]

Carnage + bluescreen OD covers meat and electronic npcs

[subtle bluff]

Unless you have a specific build Cluster isn't good.

[hexed steppe]

Mortar > cluster

[violet juniper]

Cluster as in the spec grenade?

yeah it's not that good

[hexed steppe]

[violet juniper]

@hexed steppe does Collector chest affect Mortar?

[subtle bluff]

Big number mortar 100%

[hexed steppe]

I really dont know tbh. I dont even remember collectors talent. Losing perfect glass seems like a bad move tho. Let me look it up for a sec

I dont think it would. Mortar isnt grenade

[violet juniper]

something something does more damage with the more people it hits or something like that

aw it's grenade only

well that's.. useless.

[hexed steppe]

No doubts

[violet juniper]

Might work with a TotS grenade launcher build if demolition spec counts the spec weapons as shooting grenades

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah collector is grenade focused. It increases grenade capacity by 3, increase grenade radius by 50%, grenade damage by 35%, and has an active talent that increases grenade damage by an additional 25% per enemy caught in the blast.

Also gives you a grenade every 30 seconds if you are below 2 grenades.

The collector is kinda fun with the festive delivery backpack...

Although you might want a chest with mad bomber instead for that one.

I don't think that collector or festive delivery interact with the grenade launcher specialization weapon.

[sudden cloak]

So big if here, if I happen to get an electrique chest double crit intimidate/obliterate, then would it be better to go for 3pc electrique for the 30% smg dmg bonus

Meant to be pfe on chest oops

[violet juniper]

Don't bother with armour Regen

1 piece of Belstone will give you more Regen and a lot more crit

also, two exotics? Lol

[sudden cloak]

Ignore bullet king lmao

[violet juniper]

big question, what exactly are you trying to build?

[subtle bluff]

🤢 wtf did i see

[sudden cloak]

It's tidal lol

[hexed steppe]

Might be better to just hunters fury

[gloomy spruce]

It looks like an armor regen PFE build, I think.

[subtle bluff]

Ya no.. It won't save you.

First off have you seen the number of the Armor Regen?

[violet juniper]

if you're tryna do a high end SMG, then 3pc electrique, 1pc sokolov, memento, 1pc belstone

gunner spec for AoK

then you get 4.5% Regen on full memento stacks

and minimum 40% SMG damage from the build+ spec bonus and SMG bonus

[subtle bluff]

Tidal leggo?

or heroic?

[violet juniper]

pain to farm though.

[sudden cloak]

Yeah, specifically for solo tidal

[onyx sage]

it's not gonna get you through without much difficulty, saying this right now

[violet juniper]

that build.. in solo legendary?

already out of my skill level but that's gonna take you forever

[onyx sage]

your problem is purple minitanks

[violet juniper]

Memento isn't that good for legendary I wouldn't think

[onyx sage]

it's really good for solo

[sudden cloak]

Already done it with striker sokolov intimidate and memento, want do it where I'm less reliant on modifiers

[subtle bluff]

Just to ensure we're understanding you want to do:
Solo Legendary Tidal?

[onyx sage]

you can just use that same build and don't use modifiers...

[violet juniper]

I would honestly recommend my variation instead

never run regen as an attribute

Even if you have it on every piece of gear it works out to less than a gear piece would give

[sudden cloak]

Yeah pretty much

[subtle bluff]

If you can't solo the heroic stronghold of tidal without a reiver hive you're not ready tbh.

[sudden cloak]

I'm emp sticky and firewall shield all the way

Hive is more of a hindrance for solo leg in my experience

[subtle bluff]

Have you cleared the heroic stronghold version of tidal?

[sudden cloak]

Yeah... I mean I've soloed legendary tidal too

[onyx sage]

that's fine but this build is a BIG step down from striker memento intimidate

you can just use that without modifiers

[sudden cloak]

It's a bit harder to run around the rooms without the extra pfe on strikers

[onyx sage]

well now you're trading all your damage away

[sudden cloak]

I wouldn't say all

[subtle bluff]

I mean if he's solo leggo already let him be.

[onyx sage]

so more stuff are swarming you

losing 60% of your damage is big

[sudden cloak]

Just came to see if I could improve the dmg more, it does do less dmg than strikers by about 300k-400k

[subtle bluff]

I am just dumbfounded you've solo leggo and are trying armor regen stats...

[onyx sage]

that's not accurate. you gain more smg damage but you're losing out on rate of fire and striker 4p

[sudden cloak]

I meant like visible dmg numbers, not a dps perspective sorry

[sudden cloak]

I'm just bored mostly, want try off meta stuff even if it's somewhat bad

[onyx sage]

i mean since you have the build just try it

if you keep dying, you answered yourself

give it more than a couple attempts

[sudden cloak]

Fair enough

Not really sure what to run aside from armor regen, nothing else really comes to mind

[onyx sage]

weapon handling

[sudden cloak]

Yeah just looked at that, or explosive res

Probably handling

[violet juniper]

haz pro?

[sudden cloak]

Sorry but no, I will never run haz pro on any backfire build

[violet juniper]

Not for the backfire

Actually, prob explosive res for drone spam

[sudden cloak]

In leg, depending on the room those are usually my first targets aside from purples, but I'm also running emp sticky to help with them

Plus can shoot the drones down for memento stacks

[arctic scaffold]

WHICH one shot pistol build is better or is both just eqaully good

[odd ginkgo]

Do you have Headshot Damage and Weapon Handling pushed everywhere?

[arctic scaffold]

ive noticed i think im hitting higher with the concussion like 70 million but with momento im hitting like 49-50

ive got HSD everywhere but nto wep handling

only wep handling on like 2 peices

[subtle bluff]

The one without out memento will do more always.

[arctic scaffold]

ya but i guess 70 million isnt needed

[subtle bluff]

The talent alone does more dmg.

I mean you have GE on

[arctic scaffold]

so was thinking momento is just better cuz of the armor plus skilltier

[subtle bluff]

you don't need harvest even.

for GE I just run HF doesn't make a differance.

[novel ember]

like what

[arctic scaffold]

gotcha wb without GE?

[subtle bluff]

depends on what we're doing. I'd still just run HF w/D&H firewall

HF is just too good imo

[arctic scaffold]

i did solo legendary with the moment DUA yesterday actually felt really good but sucked agaisnt the robots so i used jammer there

[subtle bluff]

with GE it's easy

[arctic scaffold]

ya wasnt expecting it to be that ez lol

[subtle bluff]

Just shoot the weak spots.

[arctic scaffold]

its harder even with my regular striker legendary build

than it is with hsd 1shot buildlol

[subtle bluff]

GE makes everything pretty easy.

[odd ginkgo]

🎶 GE, we bring bad things to death! 🎶

[hazy steeple]

"and bad things to rivers"

[vast latch]

whats a good lexington replacement? i just started and from what i can gather that weapon is no longer attainable

[subtle bluff]

Any of the M4 style AR works fine

[vast latch]

just to make sure im reading this spreadsheet correctly, my only other option for m4 style ar is the pyromaniac?

wait nvm

i just found the rest

[violet juniper]

Could I run a Belstone or armour oriented chest without sacrificing too much damage?

[subtle bluff]

m4, p416, carbine 7 basically anything with a good RPM.

[thorn cove]

not sure this right channel to ask, but ideal way to max out library?

[fair dragon]

None really. Just loot a lot and add to library

[tulip mauve]

Is there any viable Pistol headshot build that doesn't require Regulus? I'm looking for something similar to the usual Headhunter + Determined sniper build, but with a high end pistol.

[fair dragon]

The Harvest. Loot goblin has a chance to drop it.

[hexed steppe]

run lots of countdown and change up your target loot

[kindred mango]

Then target mods maybe when you run out of open world items so you can do the DZ and other special items

[hexed steppe]

during this ge you could run a standard hotshot build and run a determined harvest/police 686 and be wrecking

its for library , not on expertise yet i dont think

[violet juniper]

spiced up

[hexed steppe]

something like this would work fine with determined 686 or regulus pistol . you could basically run red cores and determined and still do well for this ge

[novel ember]

guys i see agents can get the new smg from goblin !! ive tried like 30 runs with no any drop why ? note i didnt play the summer event

[novel ember]

how is this bro ? i need build without using modifier and do good dmg

[violet juniper]

I don't use GE if that's what you're wondering

it's my main build, takes me through everything lol

[novel ember]

you mean without using modifier and its cool ? ok can you send me the full guide for it need to try this smg man

[sudden cloak]

Playing a dangerous game there lol, but yeah you could switch to belstone chest without losing too much dmg

[indigo gazelle]

I’m like Crystal in iron horse raid with obliterate striker, any super build to get the job done there?

[subtle bluff]

This is the way

[sudden cloak]

I've always loved that smg lol

[subtle bluff]

I hate it.. I was dared into it

[subtle bluff]

Is it playing alright for you?

[violet juniper]

Without mods I hit for 1.6 million crit with full stacks

[sudden cloak]

I use it more for memes really, but yeah, it does fairly alright

[subtle bluff]

the meme vs backfire hazpro build in here.

[violet juniper]

I'd like one but I'm addicted to big number

[subtle bluff]

I miss six12

[violet juniper]

I love the mop now and again

have a god rolled one with brazen

[subtle bluff]

Maybe I can do it again with Trinker.

[novel ember]

which dmg ?

[novel ember]

send to me mate

[violet juniper]

Wait til you see the headhunter build I have planned

[subtle bluff]

I'm gonna abuse the Lovebirds... =X

[violet juniper]

It's the exact build in the picture

everything crit damage

[novel ember]

everything crit damage you sure right

[novel ember]

which smg is this mate

[subtle bluff]

It's not good smg.

This is me meme saying gameplay and good build will always work for solo.

[violet juniper]

I used to use one of those

absolutely loved it.

I might be insane. I'm keeping the Sokolov chest with oblit so I can switch if I'm feeling a bit too fragile

[tired falcon]

it's not streamline, that's not what I was referring to; didn't even mention that so don't get why you jumped to that conclusion. The actual weapon talent I'm thinking of is the one that gives amp damage irrespective of the status effect; I just keep forgetting the damn name of it.

[violet juniper]

You mean Pressure Point?

15% amp

[tired falcon]

lol why would you use two lmgs? run out of ammo twice as fast... 😛
When I use bluescreen my secondary is not an lmg

[violet juniper]

You said the new talent , so I thought streamline lol

pressure point is last season

[hexed steppe]

you know how od works, right

i dont even have to hit an ammo box

[tired falcon]

ah, yeah that's the one. Though I'm too lazy to care about the secondary whenever I'm using Iron Lung or Bluescreen as primary; my secondary is usually Lexington with Optimist or something

[tired falcon]

yes I know how it works. The hollow point gives amp damage bonus on enemy hits. If the type of enemy or thing hit with the hollow point rounds becomes bleed status effected then yes Sadist weapon talent would then increase the overall dmg.
I'm lazy in this game, just don't have the patience to keep track of which weapon is for which target so I don't bother.
Whether am using bluescreen or Iron Lung, I shoot at everything. I don't even bother trying to use the Carnage from my stash unless I'm extra bored

[hexed steppe]

you also dont eat into your ammo reserves as long as shit keeps dying... if youre running out of ammo you may want to look into how youre running OD... probably not optimal, js

[tired falcon]

well I've never run out of ammo in any content. What I meant is, I never run the same weapon types (lmg, lmg) for my primary and secondary in any of my loadouts, ever; is just not my playstyle.
Have no idea how that would pan out in say a typical legendary run with ongoing directive; would only entertain the idea out of boredom.
Heroic level is easy so no I can't see a situation where dual weapon types runs out of ammo

[novel ember]

mate i almost forgot how much bleed res i need

[subtle bluff]

You don't need any just kill faster

[novel ember]

my mods i think weak for bleed

[novel ember]

for real !! everyone talking about bleed there

[subtle bluff]

I'm not joking you don't need hazpro or bleed resti just shoot more and kill more

[tired falcon]

depends on what you're trying to do...if it's a typical backfire striker loadout then you don't really need hazpro as once you reach the max backfire stacks, as long as you keep it up the bleed effect doesn't happen. Just use that brandset that gives 10% armor on kill...I forget the name of it. Can also use the gunner specialization for another 10% armor on kill

[violet juniper]

You don't need any on this build, trust me

HF and Memento together is built to outheal the bleed lol

HF gives you armour back when you kill someone, with my build you get 30%, and you get 3% armour Regen from Memento, plus the armour core to slow down and heal back the moment you take damage

[tired falcon]

oh right, HF gives 20% armor on kill, surely that's more than enough for backfire

[violet juniper]

10% is enough

[violet juniper]

Just don't use the Sacrifice chest like me, I'm still testing if it's worth it

I'm 50% certain it makes the bleed worse

[novel ember]

sound good

[novel ember]

can this hold the legendary dif?

[hoary valve]

best chatterbox build?

[violet juniper]

I can quite easily, yes

[novel ember]

ya we forgot this mate

[violet juniper]

it's a lot riskier than striker though

[novel ember]

amazing then bro

[violet juniper]

Memento, 3pc Electrique, 1pc Sokolov, 1 piece Belstone/Palisade/Ceska

or a HF build. Whatever suits your fancy lol

[hoary valve]

?

[violet juniper]

high end SMG build for chatterbox

[hoary valve]

why 3pc electrique

[tired falcon]

never tried it but the armor regen from Umbra might work with backfire....not sure if I'm reading the gear talent description right but I think you can get max 8% armor regen with the chest piece

[violet juniper]

30% SMG damage

sucks to farm though

[hoary valve]

but you can get more damage from chc and chd

[violet juniper]

high end has crit damage and chance in every slot

use a Ceska bag and grupo chest if you like

[tired falcon]

anyone done this Backfire experiment yet?
Catalyst mask
Backpack of your choice with Vigilance, or use Perfect Vigilance
Rest Umbra gearset

my thinking is the bonus armor from Catalyst combined with the Umbra armor regen gives way more backfire bleed protection than you'll ever need

[violet juniper]

I've used Backfire and Umbra together, I haven't used Catalyst with it

[subtle bluff]

Cata is not more dmg the other choices.

[violet juniper]

i used coyote mask, and catalyst is unfortunately a direct downgrade in terms of damage. It would definitely do a lot better in mitigating the bleed though

if catalyst was amp damage it would be so much better

[subtle bluff]

They're being careful on amp stuff

[tired falcon]

yes I know, am considering the mask only for the bonus armor

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't come that often.

[unique bloom]

But 30% smg damage is straight up worse than fox and contractors

[violet juniper]

then you can use 3pc electrique, Con/Fox and whatever

the beauty of high end builds

[unique bloom]

And the highest dps I've found is sokolov+centurion+groupo+contractor+fox+vigil

[violet juniper]

Electrique is the best variation for high end SMG.

vigil sucks.

Centurion is great, but coyote outclasses it

con fox, 3pc electrique and coyote mask is probably the best you'll get.

3pc Sokolov is also quite good with a less boring farm

[worn elbow]

Anyone know a good build for iron lung?

[subtle bluff]

Strikers

[worn elbow]

I already have that with elmo

[solar sable]

anything can work with strikers

[worn elbow]

Yes ofc but I don’t want all my builds to be striker Yk what I mean

[solar sable]

You can make lots of builds, it's not just one

[subtle bluff]

Only a very few weapons have a specific build for them.

[worn elbow]

Oh ok apart from striker got iron lung is there anything else?

[subtle bluff]

I haven't tried it on much else. Iron Lung synergizes really well with the playstyle I like running.

[fresh fox]

what’s new guys

[worn elbow]

Just chilling Killing farming

[fresh fox]

build wise

[covert summit]

Time to put together a backfire build for no apparent reason

Pls suggest some good ones for solo

[subtle bluff]

Backfire hazpro is the YouTube meta again..

[fresh fox]

interesting

[subtle bluff]

also everyone want to use Cata

[fresh fox]

what the hell…

i should get that maybe idk

i’ve only done dlc and hunters and a single iron horse since dlc drop

[subtle bluff]

It's not nothing special.

I also found that Refactor proc Empathic Resolve.

[wispy sluice]

any dz ar build that shreds and has armorregen without bighorn (still farming for it)?

[odd ginkgo]

Builds are in the pins. It's kind of slow around here at this time.

[wispy sluice]

i only see pins from 5y? im on mobile

[subtle bluff]

Yes

Nothing has really as changed

[odd hemlock]

Are there playable skillbuilds ?

meaning they can do endgame content, legendary etc

[subtle bluff]

Supports mostly

there is one but it's not easy to play at first

[cerulean smelt]

here i expected your headshot healing chem gif would make an appearence

[subtle bluff]

Nahhhhh that's "WD" still. 🙃

[odd hemlock]

would you happen to have a name of it ?

[subtle bluff]

Mortar

[odd hemlock]

oh ive played that was hoping for something else haha 😄

[subtle bluff]

You wiping whole leggo spawn waves out with it tho

[odd hemlock]

yeah its pretty decent!

[subtle bluff]

https://youtu.be/g6M3RNqPrus?si=J9UrJK87DNG4yTtu

Damn he names them hard to find

[unborn olive]

Okay. Making a healing build.

If I use Perfect Opportunistic BP (The Setup), I miss out on a skill tier, meaning I have to swap to Technician for the +1 skill tier / 10% skill healing ... whatever that is. OR, I could stay Survivalist for the other perks and use a Sashimono backpack with Opportunistic and +1 skill tier.

Still using Future Initiative 4pc + Scorpio Shotgun and Designated Hitter and BTSU gloves. Swapped out Lefty 'cause Sledgehammer no longer works for group damage anymore.

5% extra damage for group doesn't seem worth considering the Survivalist perk that allows status damage to increase damage taken.

Speaking of healing, is Smart Cover any good vs. Reinforcer Chem launcher?

[strong cave]

Lefty still works for group damage. They never fixed the talent description

[unborn olive]

Oh. Huh.

[strong cave]

If you can't get a setup bag to roll for skill tier, an Alps Summit bag with the same rolls works the same

[unborn olive]

Wait, the Setup can roll skill tier?

'cause I've ONLY ever seen armor.

[strong cave]

Also, don't bother with smart cover unless fighting a boss. Those extra heals are necessary. Can't rely on hive uptime. As for skill tier roll, I mean the bottom 2 attributes are perfect (skill haste/repair skills, recal for the tier)

[unborn olive]

Oh. Bah...I need to farm mats. Off to that big ass tower it seems to get Uzina mats it seems, unless there's some faster way.

[strong cave]

Countdown, matchmake on challenging. Target loot Uzina Getica. Setup now drops open world loot as well

Don't do VIP, follow the group. Call for extraction at the last 6 seconds, don't call it right away

[loud pine]

im sure the setup has a blueprint too

[unborn olive]

It does.

[strong cave]

It does, they mentioned needing materials. They almost went to summit for that, which is inefficient

[unborn olive]

Also, what weapon should I pair with Lefty? Still use Designated Hitter?

[strong cave]

Scorpio

[loud pine]

materials are easy to farm this week with the reanimated event

[strong cave]

Overlord if you don't have Scorpio

[loud pine]

3 stars for weapon/gear crafting caches i believe

[unborn olive]

I do. Current build. I will swap out Designated Hitter for Lefty.

[strong cave]

Basically that's 3 whole character, making control points farming the way to go

[strong cave]

Scorpio/Lefty/Backup Boomstick

[unborn olive]

Good ol' Boomstick.

[strong cave]

My Boomstick has reformation on it and still proc's Opp

"emergency heals boost" basically

[unborn olive]

But Declaration on that sucker, 'cause boy do I love my country and my right to wield a gun, even if it's a butchered shotgun.

Anyways, going to hit up Countdown. I think I did it...twice.

[strong cave]

Run it up, agent

Decon anything you don't need and you'll be set on both Uzina crafting mats and normal mats

[unborn olive]

Uh...wait. I went to Descent.

I confused Countdown with Descent.

[charred eagle]

Anybody got a pistol build? Not really goin for the 1 shot pistol build. Aim ain’t all that great.