td2-build-advice

[subtle bluff]

I’ve given up. Also this guy hasn’t response to any of my messages.

[spiral drift]

doesnt heroic give a better loot drop chances?

[subtle bluff]

I need to make a HF version of it’ll do better.

[devout iris]

true

[subtle bluff]

A small amount better rolls but the same drop chance

[spice junco]

good one or bad one?

[spiral drift]

wait so if i want backfire i just target smgs?

[smoky moss]

do it.. IMO it's the best build this season hands down. The best version is with Yaahl chest and intimidate/obliterate but if you can't get it you can do it with Hollow Men, Backfire shoots fast so it will build up 200 stacks on striker easy. If you want to be sure, just have also ACS 12.

[devout iris]

i did, and half of my build has hazpr

and the other half has CHD

andthe gear i used is just striker and as chest piece i had a sokolov one lying around my stash

[smoky moss]

you will have enough damage for anything.. having 100% haz pro is the point really.. no status works especially good against rogues/hunters.

just go full blue core, 100% haz pro.. trust.. it's so nice

you will be hitting with active modifiers like 1.4 million per bullet on Backfire.. damage will not be an issue

[devout iris]

decided to have some CHD for the CQC fight's that i will have

that and cause i ran out of striker resources

[smoky moss]

gotcha

[devout iris]

cause i had the other materials except the striker material that i ran out

[smoky moss]

the only build that I think might rival it is Hunter's Fury version. It's super nice because as you run and gun you CC everything.

[devout iris]

yeah, heard people talking about HF

also i got a yahl chest piece with intimidate on it as fast traveled to the castle

[smoky moss]

keep an eye on clan vendors.. sometimes they sell yaahl gear.. if that's the case buy a crapload of them and crush them to craft the chest.. thats what I did.. I did this build before it was popular at the very beginning of the season and clan vendor was selling Yaahl kneepads.

[devout iris]

got one with 100k armor on it and chc and managed to change one of the attributes to have max hazpro

[smoky moss]

I crafted like 100s of them until I got CHC+Haz and changed the red to blue. But even if you keep that one to be the only red, you'll still reach 100% haz pro after 3 kills.. no biggie if you go that route

[devout iris]

i mean the one only ones who don't have hazpro are my golves and kneepads cause i got memento equipped

and now i got 80% hazpro here cause i also got the safety first modifier equipped

i looked over my stash and got a prai of strikert gloves with hazpro but the core is red

so were the knee pads that i also found lying in my stash

[subtle bluff]

You don't need full hazpro but you've heard that already.

I never use hazpro and I use backfire a decent amount.

[devout iris]

i mean now i got 80% hazpro on the build with backfire with the safety first modifier as well

[smoky moss]

1 or 2 countdowns should get you some strikers with hazpro.. the thing is if you go immune hazpro is that you want to be at least 90% hazpro with safety first equipped so when 7.5% kicks in on tier 5. because baseline for stamina with all blue cores is 4.. when you hit 5 that's 97.5% and takes 3 kills. That's the threshold for all immune.

[devout iris]

about that....my xbox subscription expired weeks ago so i can't play countdown

[cerulean smelt]

well, thanks for that adventure @hexed steppe

[hexed steppe]

yeah man, good times. end stats didnt look too bad for 90% of the mission running troll mode decoy

[smoky moss]

here's my take on this @devout iris .. if you are going haz pro this season with backfire you should either go 100% or as other have said just don't bother too much putting haz pro on.. maybe go blue core only and go damage. Safety first will give you about 50% haz pro from passive, but it's a waste to put haz pro on the gear. I do it because I really enjoy the fact that I can run through anything, shocks, fire, hunters disrupts etc.. that's the thing I was going for. My 2 cents.

[onyx sage]

that's reasonable advice

[devout iris]

well i managed to get a total of 92.5% on my hazpro so ill take what i can get

and i got 3 red cores from the gloves and kneepads i said before and from memento as well as now i have 4 blue cores

[smoky moss]

yah.. understandable.. 97.5% is the magic number.

[devout iris]

and like i said, ill tak what i can get

[hushed gorge]

Finally got it

DTTOC and Determined included🗣️🔥

[onyx sage]

🗣️

[rich lotus]

What gun would y'all tecommend I use alongside Elmo's engine

[solar sable]

as secondary?

[rich lotus]

Yeah

[solar sable]

ACS-12 with Brazen

[rich lotus]

Brazen is a talent I'm guessing?

[solar sable]

ye

[hasty forum]

if im using hunter fury for backfire, what set/talent should i get for the chest/backpack ?

and should i go full red or have some blue core ?

im still new so my watch not lvled enough yet

[solar sable]

1. I'd use Memento and either Ceska or Sokolov vest with Obliterate
2. Depends on you but I wouldn't use too much blues

[subtle bluff]

Double Ceska can you can get some hazpro.

The point of HF is to keep keeping.

[solar sable]

trust Chow more than me, that's why I said "I would use [...]"

[hasty forum]

if i go double ceska, what talent should i get ?

or do i use HF chest/backpack ?

[solar sable]

would bloodsucker be okay for bag? I just remembered that thing existed

[subtle bluff]

Ad rush and intimate

[astral kraken]

you mean with assault link active

to be clear

[frail fox]

Hey guys, i want to make a status effects build (preferably with fire and poison in it), which armor set and weapons i should find for it? New to the game, loving it 😏👍

[versed flame]

Eclipse seth 4 things,The mask of the Villain

[frail fox]

Firewall specialization i guess?

[odd ginkgo]

Check the pins for a build spreadsheet, there's an EP build in there that is quite good.

[frail fox]

Thanks, will do

[stray atlas]

this or with anarchists cookbook?

[versed flame]

The wrong talent on the backpack

And gloves

[stray atlas]

yeah i need exodus to survuve, so shall i put anarchists cookbook instead? for perfect wicked

[subtle bluff]

Talent Wicked
It doesn't need to P Wicked. Normally Ceska or Gurpo is best.

[subtle bluff]

The gloves are fine. It's ok balance of having double Crit and small talent for survival but also in since if you have exo you shouldn't need rez hive imo.

[mental panther]

Looking for an AR build if someone can send me some with advice and all the need to knows thank you

[versed flame]

Well, yes, until you're in the same pick!And you won't get double damage because he's got these gloves!

nominal ones with machine gun damage are more profitable

personal names*

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Message > GDoc

[lofty frigate]

[subtle bluff]

The DTA isn't a huge factory in DPS vs but it also depends on what his CHC/CHD is too.

[violet copper]

hey guys!
i bumped into random guy and checked his stats, and the dude had 1.184.185 weapon damage
I barely maintain 100k on my build
pic rel is my current build, mb someone can give an advice on what am i doing wrong? im kinda only starting building endgame builds so idk how ppl do those numbers

[patent fossil]

That's a pretty good starting build, I wouldn't worry too much about how damage stats appear on other players, could be a whole bunch of possible things like weapon type, temporary buffs, etc

[violet copper]

ok ok
so what should i do to make it a "medium" or even good build?
im a bit lost here on what to do next

[stray atlas]

are there any guarenteed carnage drops or is it rng?

just countdown targeted loot

[lofty frigate]

yap

[stray atlas]

😦

[lofty frigate]

It's either a difference in expertise level or the optimization has been completed maybe

[patent fossil]

There's a spreadsheet linked in the pins with lots of great build guides including striker builds. Really all you want for the meta build is to get double-crit stats on the ceska chest (but still with obliterate), swap memento for coyotes mask (and striker backpack), and just work towards better crit rolls on everything. General crit chance/damage balance to aim for is 1/2 (eg 40% CHC and 80% CHD, 50% and 100%, etc) up to 60/120, after which everything else goes into damage. But that's a way off yet as you've got watch levels to earn, better mods to farm, etc etc.

[violet copper]

cool thanks bro!
will do

[pastel radish]

Hey y'all, I've been playing division for a couple weeks now and seem to be kind of stuck on what build to use. I've ran just about all I can find, and I still have a hard time on challenging let alone heroic or Legendary. I've looked through the spreadsheet and all over YouTube, but still have trouble. I'm currently SHD 139, is there something I'm doing wrong?

[tired falcon]

describe your build

[violet copper]

ill advice to use build i posted above with modification from The Kettle, its pretty good on challenging

[tired falcon]

I would use an ar instead of a shotgun. The chem launcher is the foam variant right?
Looks okay to me. Should be able to have the hollow point ammo constantly.
How is it not working for you?

[pastel radish]

The build I'm using just gets demolished by npcs on any difficulty

[unkempt knot]

To be fair you're using Backfire without any armor/bonus armor talent.
Sure there's cata but that procs like what. Once every 5 seconds.

[mental panther]

looking for advice

[tired falcon]

if you must use Backfire then I would change the shotgun to an ar or rifle so that you can foam a target and take them out from medium range.
Then close in with the Backfire. At that point you could use the hollow point rounds in your secondary weapon to put targets on bleed or use foam launcher.
Personally I would use Iron Lung or St. Elmo as primary as that makes it easier to apply a status effect.
Then you could change your skill to something like defender drone

[unkempt knot]

Think its better you make a new build at that point.
Imminence ain't helping, 3p Gila 2% Armor regen is weak by itself, & You're using Doctor's home.

[mental panther]

new to game lol only use ar dont use the doctors home

[unkempt knot]

Just drop it then. Take a shotty.
If you care about survival & DMG use Memento backpack.
Oh yeah get rid of Tactician Drone. P sure no one uses it.

[versed summit]

is there an endgoal with the pieces you're using? if not, I'd recommend looking at the build guides in the pinned spreadsheet.

[mental panther]

nope not really just want a strong dps ar build with tanky health

[astral kraken]

the dream

[mental panther]

excactly

[astral kraken]

dreams aren't real 💀

[versed summit]

Well striker's is the strongest DPS, so you'll want to start there, if you're doing group content you don't get a lot out of adding tankiness to your build, but it can help if you're playing solo.

definitely recommend using a shield if you're trying to be tankier, there's not really an effective way to do so without one

[violet juniper]

Heartbreaker

striker isn't tanky. It's a glass cannon build

[versed summit]

you can make it tanky

[violet juniper]

at the sacrifice of most of your damage

[versed summit]

you're going to do more damage than Heartbreaker

[violet juniper]

still not tanky

[versed summit]

it's just more flexible

tanky enough

[violet juniper]

NGL being tanky is useless

[versed summit]

it's fine for solo, can give you some more room for error, but grouped it just starts breeding issues

[violet juniper]

especially on an AR build. The only time you need to be tanky is in PvP, or in a CQC build

[astral kraken]

memento striker with 1 blue core has a very strong shield. that allows you to peek for longer and do more damage. the perfect cover isn't always available.

my main is pgc with no shield, but shield was really helpful when i was learning

[violet juniper]

I run Memento HF in everything

[astral kraken]

yea thats awesome too. very fun.

[versed summit]

people like to crap on shields, but they're still used by WR setting players, so if you use them it's not going to hurt you, but being able to play without them is a useful skill

[astral kraken]

this is the perfect example imo (skip to 30 seconds):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQVSuAIuai4

[versed summit]

yes navy rain is goated

I love his videos

[astral kraken]

i've ran that position countless times trying to figure out a fast way and in that position you will take a lot of chip damage no matter what

so the shield is perfect for giving you just enough time to kill everything

[versed summit]

yeah you can play without a shield, but using the shield allows you to use more aggressive positioning sometimes. entrance and mall come to mind for his runs

tbh though unless I''m running memento, I usually skip out on the shield

[violet juniper]

Permanent decoy main

[versed summit]

yeah i like decoy and shield

[cyan breach]

When I run 6 Red Striker or OD, I am very squishy. Is it just because im only SHD ~400? I'm having a hard time getting used to being squishy. How do people survive these legendary and master runs while running all red

[tired falcon]

depends...what level of difficulty are you playing and are you using striker vest?
Generally a striker (without vest) memento crit dmg build is more than enough for anything <= heroic.
Even in legendary the striker vest is not typically used (it can be good, depends on how you build the stacks....ie I use one of those 850 base rpm lmgs)

[astral kraken]

embrace the squish. use cover. it helps to watch some goats do hard content with squishy builds and learning from their positioning.

exhibit a: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1j6lBJC73Y

exhibit b: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQVSuAIuai4

[zenith cove]

looking for build tips. recently switched from seekers to shield. always kept drone (I find it helpful in heavy mob situations. if you need each mod applied to each gear let me know and ill explain the mods. im mid game. finished warlords of new york and just started battle for brooklyn

[astral kraken]

also... if you're gonna be squishy it's important to run a high damage build. that way if something is bothering you then you can just delete it. OD is more of a support build in groups.

[tired falcon]

that's a weird combination of items...are you experimenting or it's the best items you have?

[zenith cove]

experimenting/best items i got at the moment. ive been using the same 2 guns for awhile now and havent had issues, but i am looking for more out of an actual build other than the randomness i have in my setup

im also just getting back into the game after a year

[autumn yacht]

id recommend taking a look at this, you can throw together a usable gear set build in like 1 or 2 cd runs https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nOwUSECa-1iLhET-mW04u6oMBdIdMjFjB2Ie25ziEA/edit?tab=t.0

[zenith cove]

ill check it out after this mission, thanks 😄

[zenith plover]

Is the refractor build viable in legendary difficulty??

[spice junco]

Time for nightmares

[onyx sage]

it's actually quite good

[versed flame]

for this level?fine

[spice junco]

yea for this curret lvl im at im trying do my build and see differten things to add or take off

i do havge the cayotte mask or however you say that mask that givers green smoke from the filter

[versed flame]

Oh, is this yours?

[spice junco]

yes

[versed flame]

Is it the yellow stuff you want to collect?Not a striker?

[mossy dirge]

What build can you recomend with the new exotic mask

[spice junco]

im going for all red

[versed flame]

The catalyst?

[mossy dirge]

Yes

Makes striker with palisade, backfire, but can i use ouroubours better?

[versed flame]

Directive, green set, and guile🤷‍♂️

[mossy dirge]

Striker blue, red, palisade chest obliterate

And mask

[versed flame]

You can do this

[spice junco]

daamn have to try what are the armor pices im not very familiar with them yet so i can't tell lol

[spice junco]

seems nice

[versed flame]

You can try this

[mossy dirge]

Thanks, 🙂

[versed flame]

try it), you might like it

[mossy dirge]

Thanks for sharing

[hazy hull]

What do we think

[mossy dirge]

Damien

[hazy steeple]

Is that meant to be a joke build or are you genuinely asking?

We get a lot of people posting joke builds in here.

[versed flame]

What kind of inserts?

And yes-are you waiting for advice?

[hazy hull]

Yes I'm asking for advice

[astral kraken]

not good, but close. this is the closest thing to what you have there. just farm for that:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1wZI1ZEwq3qQxGwmdPnVXcGHxf7D2-xOLRm0m7bfDTlE/edit?usp=sharing

[hazy hull]

Running striker with pakhan cause wanted a build with the new exotic and thorns there because shotguns seem like they'd be great to finish off stragglers

[hazy hull]

Ok

[robust marsh]

Y’all know of any exotics that might work well off of the dark winter

And what I should go for in terms of a build with it?

[hazy steeple]

The best combo with Dark Winter as far as Exotics go, is probably a Hunters Fury setup wi/ Memento (exotic backpack).
it's just a good SMG to use with it, basically.

[robust marsh]

What bout exotic guns?

Just any?

[hazy steeple]

I guess throw on anything as your backup, but something with a bit of range for when you're absolutely unable to stay within the 15m it requires is useful.

[robust marsh]

St. Elmo’s or pestilence good?

[silver kindle]

Wondering what weapon that is gonna be really well with bluescreen. Not the best but its coming along slowly!

[versed flame]

Are you serious about this???

[silver kindle]

??

[versed flame]

Is this humor?A joke?

[silver kindle]

idk what you mean but okay

[onyx sage]

i think he's commenting on your build, which you noted is still in progress

this is what you want to have as your first build, then you can use this to farm everything else, keep this handy

[silver kindle]

yeah pretty much all of it is still in progress. but doing 300K DMG is great shotgun play is just so annoying and not fun

[rich lotus]

Need everyone's opinion: st Elmo's engine or chameleoen

In a striker set build

[hearty owl]

Legendary AR

[rich lotus]

Huh?

[silver kindle]

Elmo is pretty fun so

[violet juniper]

Personal preferance

chameleon has more damage potential, Elmo has superior mag size and accuracy

[hearty owl]

How is it personal preference they are completely different

[versed flame]

st Elmo's!imho

[violet juniper]

St Elmo is more accurate, but I like chameleon more

that's personal preference

[rich lotus]

How good is the Lexington compared to Elmo's?

[violet juniper]

oh wow.

[violet juniper]

Lexington is better.

[silver kindle]

?

[rich lotus]

To what extent?

[versed summit]

chameleon is a lot more niche compared to elmos, due to chameleons poor accuracy and optimal range, you need to use it like an SMG

elmo just works.

[hearty owl]

You can roll any talent on it

[rich lotus]

True

Wait nvm lexington isn't obtainable anymore

[violet juniper]

Damage and talent flexibility

[violet juniper]

Do you want me to say it nicely or quickly?

[silver kindle]

say it i couldnt care 😂

just wanting to know what gun is good

[violet juniper]

Your build needs a lot of work

[silver kindle]

i did say its in progress so

[violet juniper]

None of the pieces go together

why TF are you using headhunter without a single shot weapon

[onyx sage]

already advised them on this

[violet juniper]

Petrov is a good start, but you want to swap to contractors gloves so you get the most out of Petrov

I like the creeping death and Bluescreen ngl it's pretty fun

You would likely get more use if you just used the negotiators dilemma set though

[silver kindle]

work in progress....

already said this 😭 but im trying to find the gear its just taking its time to drop for me

[violet juniper]

Run countdown, it's pretty forgiving and you'll get a ton of loot

you can target what you want too, just stick with your team so you don't die

[silver kindle]

ive been in there non sotp for 2 days and i been getting shafted for it

[hearty owl]

The new player experience!!!

[silver kindle]

not new 😂

[hearty owl]

Run countdown yayyyyy

[versed summit]

farm striker's first, that will get you closest to what you need and you can have all pieces you need in one run

[rich lotus]

Is there a way to get skins for Elmo's engine?

[violet juniper]

no

[versed summit]

not yet, soontm

[rich lotus]

Ah oke

[versed summit]

getting that 4 pc bonus makes a huge difference, regardless of the roles on the gear

[violet juniper]

There's a skin for Scorpio and Pakhan, I think they're releasing one for Pestilence too

[versed summit]

i wanna say that pesti has a skin in shop

and elmo has a skin slot now as well

[silver kindle]

only want 2 more Negotiators things but im kinda not getting them with the armour core. only weapon damage. i could use but my armour would be so bad

[hearty owl]

You want WD buddy

Armor is for stinky people

[versed summit]

yes they only come with weapon cores, you will need to roll armor cores on them if you want them. I'm not sure how familiar you are with recalibration

[violet juniper]

Armour gets less and less value the higher you go in difficulty

[silver kindle]

im familer with it

[violet juniper]

There's certain builds that crap out damage while keeping a bit of armour but they're not many

Hunters Fury is probably the best example

[violet juniper]

You will never get a nego piece with Armour on it

unless you put it on yourself with the tinkering table

[rich lotus]

Is this good?

[versed summit]

it's not bad

[rich lotus]

Idk how to feel ab it, it feels really weak in countdown on heroic

[versed summit]

I recommend aiming for this

#td2-build-advice message

[versed summit]

you really need to get it stacked up

[rich lotus]

Wdym

[versed summit]

the striker stacks

[rich lotus]

Is there a way to see the stacks in effect in combat or na

[solar sable]

yes, check your hud

[robust marsh]

What attributes should I want with the dark winter? I have health damage rn but I assume that’s not really that useful

[solar sable]

DTOC

[robust marsh]

Out of cover? That’s what that means ye?

[solar sable]

ye

[robust marsh]

Thank u

What attributes should u want with a Scorpio, rn i got stability, should that also be DTOC?

[violet juniper]

It's... a start!

[versed summit]

yeah

[solar sable]

always tbh

[rich lotus]

A starttt? I've spent days getting to where it's at

It's nearly at the same stage as the spreadsheet, all I'm missing is the coyotes mask I think

[violet juniper]

you don't want to use striker chest

walker Harris and Imminence are also not that good brand wise

I would say swap the chest for a ceska chest with obliterate talent

[rich lotus]

So get ceska for the chest and try get coyotes mask?

[slate wedge]

usually countdown on challenging is enough anyways

[violet juniper]

yes

well, coyote isn't needed but it's pretty much BiS for striker

[robust marsh]

Hunter build should I go for all core red

[versed summit]

it's preference, all red is stronger though, but it can be more risky to play

[robust marsh]

Should I try to keep what I got now, 4 red, 3 blue, 1 yellow?

I’m trying to make a build for legendary missions

Well, good PVE more like lol

[astral kraken]

if you want to do legendary keep it simple

[astral kraken]

this will give you a stronger shield at the cost of some damage, but it'll still be enough

if you don't have an elmo just run a lexington/famas/m4 with fast hands

[robust marsh]

How are your teals baby blue?

[versed summit]

color blind settings

[robust marsh]

Ohhh

[amber storm]

Hii need help making my striker build with pestilence betterto do higher level content

[versed flame]

take a screenshot to understand what to improve

[zenith plover]

would that be full on yellow cores?

[onyx sage]

yes

[cerulean smelt]

well, it'd be crappy if you didn't go full yellow to get healing from your skills

[violet juniper]

I feel like Chameleon would be so much stronger if it was an SMG

[astral kraken]

for the chc increase?

[violet juniper]

yes, and build synergy in general

Chameleon SMG on a HF build

you'd get to take advantage of the talent so much better

[astral kraken]

yea that makes a lot of sense actually

[modern night]

I like the vector

[astral kraken]

its great for heli spawns and sleeping dogs

[amber storm]

1 second I just seen this srry

[rich lotus]

For my dps build, could I use catharsis as a mask instead of coyotes

If I change everything to offensive atrribtes

[versed flame]

it's for PVP builds

[rich lotus]

Catharsis?

[versed flame]

yes

[rich lotus]

Ah okay nvm then

[violet juniper]

you're losing a lot of damage

[rich lotus]

I'm gonna go for coyotes anyway lol

[zenith cove]

is JTC challenging still the way to go for coyote?

[solar sable]

no, Countdown or Summit with mask TL is way better than JTC

[zenith cove]

whats the drop rate on countdown?

[solar sable]

idk the exact rate but you get around 40 random drops + TL in average

[zenith cove]

alright, thanks

[thorny kernel]

Trying to do some kind of triple tick thing, how does it look?

[versed flame]

Change your gloves

Do you have a catalyst?

[autumn yacht]

based 76 player

[violet juniper]

Change your gloves

[violet juniper]

Catalyst doesn't give ticks, it gives buffs based off of status effects

[versed flame]

yes

[thorny kernel]

Hehe

[thorny kernel]

I was planning to go for a backpack with creeping death instead, so yeah i was going to replace the gloves either way

[violet juniper]

just use a Ceska vigi bag

[astral kraken]

i missed u

[raw marlin]

i miss you too buddy

[violet juniper]

oh my god please no

[autumn yacht]

power couple

[raw marlin]

why

[versed flame]

it's more profitable, imho

[violet juniper]

you can use Wicked too

[raw marlin]

oh i have this

[violet juniper]

I just don't like the damage decrease

[raw marlin]

what we do

bro go sleep ok good night see yaa

[astral kraken]

bye

[versed flame]

You can use this backpack, but it will do less damage!And you have unnecessary talents on weapons and things

[verbal gust]

When tinkerer comes out this’ll be my jam ima make an umbra version here soon too

[versed flame]

PVP?

[verbal gust]

Yeah. 👍🏽 just gotta optimize a little more. Haha

[autumn yacht]

you should send your builds to a youtuber called kamikazevondoom he features a lot of similar ones to these

[verbal gust]

Hey I made this on me own. Without me legs. I tied me own boots? Does he tie his boots with no legs hmm?

[tired falcon]

it effectively is an smg with dmg to health; it's good at close range.
I run it when getting bored of St. Elmo

[odd ginkgo]

What's BIS for a DPS rifle build?

Weapon wise.

[violet juniper]

What talents are you running?

Usually M1A, the lever action rifle, or Rav are what people use

[odd ginkgo]

Perfect Glass Cannon and Perfect Vigilance. I made the build a long time ago. Was using Diamondback with it. Dusted it off last night to help a friend who recently got the game. I mostly do run n gun or LMG builds lately.

[violet juniper]

probably an M1A

if you switch to headhunter then the lever action

[kind sable]

so I recently hit endgame and I have:

Pestilence
Chameleon
Strega
Sacrum Imperium
Merciless

which exotic should I try building for DPS/solo running and what gear should I be looking for?

[autumn yacht]

i think this is a good path to follow https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-nOwUSECa-1iLhET-mW04u6oMBdIdMjFjB2Ie25ziEA/edit?tab=t.0 it lays out a solid build progression to follow

[hexed steppe]

there is a sheet in the pins for builds and info.
not every build needs an exo. good place to start dps is striker. its easy to farm and use, and can push through pretty much any content. elmo is a good ar exotic, but police m4 (highend), famas (highend) also really good. pesti can be ok in dps builds

[kind sable]

yeah... I'm currently running measured assembly support in countdown and my dps is nonexistent with pesti

[hexed steppe]

the dps you really just need to build into crit. so hitting around 50-60% crit chance is the goal, then dumping all other attributes into into crit damage

eclipse protocol (crowd control) and ongoing directive also solid support for countdown

[kind sable]

Im thinking about switching gear sets cause most of the time healing isn't that needed. However, shit hits the fan sometimes and watching the healing hive go crazy with overdrive is so satisfying

[pseudo spear]

Hi I need help with a build I’m looking for a high dps with survivability to do heroic missions and stuff and my build sucks as it sits atm any armour and weapon recommendations ?

[autumn yacht]

i think kia’s doc that i sent would be worth putting in the pinned message since it gives guidance on what to start with, i know it’s already in the google doc that’s pinned but the sense of direction it gives is really valuable imo

[odd ginkgo]

What build do you currently have? You can post a screenshot of your inventory screen showing your current build in here, if you don't mind. If not, that's cool.

What playstyle do you prefer? Run N Gun CQB, medium range AR/LMG, support?

[odd ginkgo]

Well without knowing, I recommend checking the pins for a build/gear spreadsheet. Peruse the builds in there. You can throw some blue cores on any of the red DPS builds. I suggest trying one at a time until you find the sweet spot. Push for CHC/CHD to be 50-60% CHC with the rest going into CHD, hopefully over 100%.

[mild mortar]

Is the best AR build atm: 4 pieces striker + Ceska Armor with Obli + Cyotes Mask and like the St. Elmos Engine or like an FAMAS?

[subtle bluff]

Wouldn’t call it the best because best in this game is pretty subjective.
But yes it’s very good.

[mild mortar]

Ah right ofc! I guess you can do with any build if you have leveled up the gun to max expertise and have all stats maxed out? 😛 But all thats good with Elmos Engine is the shock ammo right? But with a yellow gun you can get better CHD/CHC stats right?

[subtle bluff]

You can use any weapon that fits your playstyle and the situation with the build.
Elmos is better mostly because of its recoil pattern, 70rd mag, mods and sure shock ammo.
No other “yellow”/HE weapons will have higher burst dmg.

[mild mortar]

Ah ok, and the Lefty that many use as secondary is to build up stacks with ?

[clever canyon]

is there a full list of gear sets + exotics anywhere? the div2 gear attribute sheet i'm looking at doesn't seem to be updated

[subtle bluff]

Yes ACS12 are good for easier stack building or SMG for quicker burst when it’s needed are the better secondary’s.

[subtle bluff]

We’re working on it. Not really else.

[clever canyon]

thanks!

[rich lotus]

I was lookin at my dps build and found a possible tweak but idk if its worth it. Could i maybe add centurions scabbard instead of striker holster and add striker mask instead

[warm socket]

Any good summit legendary builds?

[subtle bluff]

You can if you can keep up the talent it's not bad at all but remembering to do it is the issue.

[subtle bluff]

The build is important but the gameplay is just as important for leggo.

[arctic thunder]

Guys what else are good builds for Heroic Countdown besides red striker DPS (with chest)? I think i'm looking for a hybrid dps/offensive support setup with CrowdControl, maybe something with Bluescreen?
Or i go OD with Coyo maybe?

[arctic thunder]

probably any of the tanky hybrid builds that don't go down after a single mistake and still have good dps

stuff like blue striker with season mods

[hazy steeple]

Generally speaking, you should only bother with Heroic CD if you're running it in a group.
With just randoms, it's more efficient to go for Challenging, due to the loot scaling to basically Heroic anyway. The only real difference is the amount of coins you get, but it's negligible unless you are absolutely sprinting through it.

[arctic thunder]

Yeah i just enjoy Heroic more, that is all 🙂 Challenging the enemies die so quickly. I'm SHD ~400 and my striker build is finished except for a bit of optimization and flexibility, at least ignoring expertise and SHD. Just looking for a bit of a mixup.

[loud pine]

Red FI can be fun in countdown

[patent fossil]

There's a fair few people who enjoy running a disrupt-immune variation of the eclipse foam build which is useful, especially for pinning those hunters in place

[warm socket]

Dosent work that Well

[sudden cloak]

Blue striker doesn't work well? I've never ran legendary summit so idk what the ads look like as far as how many reds/purples/elites there are to a room

[subtle bluff]

Imagine everything hitting harder and having a lot more HP.

[sudden cloak]

Hitting harder than normal legendaries?

[subtle bluff]

If things don’t get off the field fast enough you will get overran.

Normal leggo?

Uh?

[sudden cloak]

The strongholds are normal leggos to me

Except tidal.... That sum bish is a pain

I feel as though I've confused myself and you as well, I'm still waking up 😅

[digital tusk]

Anyone have any tips or anything that might need tweaking? Mainly just trying to create a System corruption build so I can finally put the pieces to use towards something.

[urban latch]

System corruption is just really bad

I don't understand why you have the yaahl and chill out either

[digital tusk]

Not really meant to be meta or anything, just kinda a fun off build for me to use instead. Again, I still wanted to use the pieces towards something.

Still somewhat new to build crafting, just trying my best and using what I'd believe would have some use.

Mainly Yaahl for the +10% hazard protection, wasn't sure what to put as the mask tbh.

[odd ginkgo]

Which would be a better secondary for an Ongoing Carnage DPS build, Vector SMG with Sadist, The Grudge, or Scorpio? Assume there would be bleed ammo on the weapon. Since I am running the Carnage LMG I'd like something for short range/CQB, incase they flank me at close range.

[versed summit]

probably scorpio

vector has very little mag damage, so it's not a great fit for OD

[novel ember]

Guys im too confused about healer and overcharging shield builds so i need the best of it and someone has a good experience with this type and has builds already for highend difficulty legendary dm me if you can pls ♻️♻️♻️

[odd ginkgo]

Check the pins for a gear spreadsheet.

Builds are in there.

[harsh lynx]

What is the quickest way to obtain "The Courier" backpack?

[slate wedge]

countdown on challenging with habsburg as targeted loot

[charred eagle]

Am I losing a lot of dmg if I use memento instead of the ND backpack? Because I know the ND backpack is better for dmg but with the things memento gives you… I’m tryin to play around with that, but not if my dmg is getting cut too much

[onyx sage]

not really, you don't lose much

it's not like you'll shoot peas with it

[hearty owl]

??? yes you are losing out on a lot

30% AWD on a red build vs sharing damage on multiple enemies????

[eager viper]

Any good link to a bomb skill build. Got a turret and drone one going. Kinda want to make things go boom now

[onyx sage]

you're also buffing that shared damage, it's just not as strong

pls let them be casual

[hearty owl]

I am very displeased.

[jaunty citrus]

Are there any builds where the merciless really shines?

[hearty owl]

Absolutely not

[onyx sage]

no, you are Whaet

[hoary sail]

you mean mortar right?
I can show mine or @hexed steppe have one too

[eager viper]

Yea. This works.

[novel ember]

pins?

[novel ember]

is this the best skill build? or using the refactor one

[hoary sail]

best idk. It's preference like always in the game

[novel ember]

have you tried healer builds? im looking for one

[hearty owl]

How to check Pins on mobile

On PC there is a big button that looks like a pin at the top

Within such pins there is a message that includes a URL to a Spreadsheet

In such spreadsheet there is a tab for builds, including a Healer build

[novel ember]

idk why i cant see it here mate i know about phone ya but the problem is im not using the app here on pc im using it on website cuz they blocked it

maybe i can refresh it

i can see it now was bug or something wrong

ok but this is an old sheet i think

[hearty owl]

The builds are up to date trust me

This game hasn’t seen any meta shifts for… 2 years now?

[novel ember]

wow really

ok at least i can get idea about brands

[onyx sage]

yeah this game doesn't have meta shifts every season or anything

[hearty owl]

Yeah it’s mainly because they keep adding useless stuff for hybrid builds

[novel ember]

dude yesterday i wanted to build healer i saw many builds xd

ya i think so

thanks alot mate

if you are playing on pc i would like to add you if you dont mind

[hoary valve]

looking for a skill build for the summit

[subtle bluff]

There's only 2 builds for healer.

[stark dawn]

Maybe to phrase it some what better (than that other do not exist): Almost all the healing build you need (particularly as the only healer in the group) is FI. The other ones have very narrow uses, e.g. often as the second healer.

[glad heart]

If you don't have the setup, you can run an alps summit with opportunistic as well

[subtle bluff]

it's all in the guide.

[candid talon]

There's plenty builds for healers. There's two (and variants of those two) that will be efficient in the most difficult content.

[novel ember]

how could you do this mate ??

[candid talon]

Do what?

[hoary sail]

yes but don't like it. Im not a support guy

[candid talon]

He's right. Those builds play considerably different roles and even have different skills, although I see the chem launcher on the survivalist one but people often use the healer mines, don't remember the name.

[novel ember]

these builds and all information on it ? app ?

website?

[candid talon]

Division 2 build tool and patience

[subtle bluff]

It's Google sheet.

[stark dawn]

A lot in the difference is how the healer plays, e.g. for Survivalist to proc the buffs. Unfortunately the build guide does not capture it.

[novel ember]

how can i find it ? and can we save builds and copy past it directly to the game ?

[subtle bluff]

You don't you have manually get the pieces.

[novel ember]

which google sheet the we have here or ?

[novel ember]

thats bad not like destiny sadly

[subtle bluff]

This is a much older game.

[novel ember]

btw you shared the same build as i can see just the super is different i mean the specialization !!

[subtle bluff]

Read the guide...

They are different for a reason.

[novel ember]

can you explain mate

[subtle bluff]

I made the guides to answer all these question.

[novel ember]

ok i can see the first one for dps buff and bleed them

[subtle bluff]

Yes but it is explain why they are built that way. The website guide has even more.

[stark dawn]

OK, fine (was referring to the picture).

[subtle bluff]

You're giving out more info than is needed for him atm. Let him read and build if he has more question within the gameplay he can come back

Yes, there are nuances to all builds but keep it simpler for them before explain all of them.

[candid talon]

Having a weapon with a Sledgehammer is a big plus for DPS.

This before sledge nerf..?

[novel ember]

im sure if i build this i will not see how its cool because of low level watch

[candid talon]

They killed the talent IMHO

[surreal moth]

What stat do I want on Ouroboros? Crit dmg?

[hot plank]

ayo wtf ?

[hearty owl]

It’s still a separate amp and what else would you run

The proc requires you to switch to the weapon when the nade detonates or while detonating, pretty free

[candid talon]

Scorpio for CC and 80% increase heal on headshot? That's what i run...

[subtle bluff]

No the changed it back but never changed the wording in game.

[hearty owl]

You can run Scorpio too. Reformation is…

Reformation is reformation.

[novel ember]

i cant see this brand in the sheet i will check it in the game

[candid talon]

Wait wait wait, they made sledgehammer AMP from all sources again but didn't change the text?

[novel ember]

for ?

[hearty owl]

Yes its an amp to anything that has armor or armor plating, it’s not Damage to Armor

[candid talon]

Sledgehammer used to be increased damage to target from all sources. Now it states YOUR DAMAGE.

[subtle bluff]

NO... It was always DTA

[hearty owl]

????

[candid talon]

Yes, but from all sources, now it says from you.

[hearty owl]

Sledge is not DtA buddy

[subtle bluff]

UH? The Setup

[novel ember]

guys should i keep the named weapons or just use them for expertise ?? im low level now but i can see cool named weapons i need your advise ?

space issue here

[hearty owl]

You’ve used all 400 storage space?

[subtle bluff]

It's in the gear speadsheet in the pinned messges.

[onyx sage]

yeah, tooltip was not reverted. only the value was nerfed (40% -> 20%, 30% -> 15%)

the debuff still applies to all sources

[hearty owl]

Yeah it’s still a free amp and arguably easier to apply than scorpio

Which was actually gutted

[candid talon]

RIGHT, so this is incorrect?

[onyx sage]

we got someone here who used mosquito but only applied 1 stack instead of 5 to proc the debuff lol 💀

[novel ember]

which weapon sorry ?

[candid talon]

It's not from the agent that applied but all sources again?!

[onyx sage]

all sources yes

[subtle bluff]

‎

[candid talon]

Sunova... wow. I've been letting my Lefty collect dust for ages because of that.

[onyx sage]

i corrected the values, it should be 15/20

[onyx sage]

lefty/stage left

[urban latch]

yes, devs proposed that cahnge, edited the text of the talent, but didnt actually make that change. its dumb....

[candid talon]

Bro; I removed them from all builds ages ago. I don't read patch notes.

[novel ember]

oh this one got nerfed

[hearty owl]

Development 😎

[candid talon]

I read the items. Usually reading the item explains the item. But the tooltip tricked me. Also, lowering the percentage is a "nerf", lowering it from team-wide to JUST YOU (A support to begin with) literally kills the talent.

[subtle bluff]

what's worse this was dev note from the pts.. It's really dumb.

[onyx sage]

they got backlash from almost everyone for that

[candid talon]

Because it would absolutely kill the item and indirectly nerf your utility as a support

[novel ember]

ok frogot my first msg was wrong answer >> about brands again i cant see this healer brand there

[hearty owl]

Yes guys and Exuro bag buff is a group amp too!!! Lets all use Exuro now please 😄

[candid talon]

It's probably makeshift then, it's a, improvised piece, you craft it

[novel ember]

guys should i keep the named weapons or just use them for expertise ?? im low level now but i can see cool named weapons i need your advise ?
space issue here
HELP

[subtle bluff]

If you're still low level keep playing the game don't worry about healing build yet.

[subtle bluff]

Just stash it.

[hearty owl]

Nah he used all 400 slots bruh

[novel ember]

would like to help ppl in legendary missions or something like this

[hearty owl]

He gonna be the next vendor at the white house

[subtle bluff]

You're not ready. Play the game learn all the basic first.

[novel ember]

here is the problem its 350

[candid talon]

if you don't see the maker it's likely this.

And in case you have a follow-up question, why is it useful? Because you get a mod slot in places you wouldn't have (holster, gloves, knees)

[subtle bluff]

He's gonna have a lot of question. 😐

[hearty owl]

No way you have 350 godroll items in your stash

[candid talon]

I probably have more than that... 😂

[hexed steppe]

Alts add another 450 storage

[hearty owl]

if it isnt a high roll u delete it, dont even worry about the talent or brandset you can cope about it later

[novel ember]

weapons named and parts also some of them named

who can help me to clean it wisly

[hearty owl]

delete every named item from your stash rn I guarantee you only 5% are usable and those probably dont even have high rolls

there I cleaned your stash

[hexed steppe]

It's probably filled with skill mods

[surreal moth]

What is the best build to use Ouroboros with?

[hexed steppe]

Striker

[hearty owl]

Stwiker uwu

[ashen portal]

Anyone have advice on a Strega build?

[candid talon]

I can probably jump on voice chat and help you get rid of some and explain to you why they're bad

[hearty owl]

#td2-build-advice message

[hearty owl]

You can delete all those you have my permission

[surreal moth]

How bad is the Umbra Initiative build in com parison to striker?

[ashen portal]

I’m already in advice lmao

[hearty owl]

Ya I linked my advice

[candid talon]

Umbra with Turmoil and Strega

[novel ember]

are you sure 🥲 🥲

[ashen portal]

Ah word haha

[hearty owl]

Yes bro I am so sure

[candid talon]

No, horrible idea

[ashen portal]

Bruh why is it always striker where the originality

[novel ember]

and then when i need it for some kind of build i will beg for it lol idk

[hearty owl]

You can farm all those from the loot goblin

[candid talon]

Nightwatcher is great, it's mandatory in bluescreen HB build for instance

[candid talon]

Not all builds were made equal. Striker OP.

[hearty owl]

Brother he needs space to make meta builds

[novel ember]

you mean once every year !

[ashen portal]

Everyone runs a carbon copy of someone else’s build lol

[candid talon]

He has 350 pieces he can think of worse items to get rid of!

[hexed steppe]

Striker is stronger. Less gimmicky.
Imho

[hearty owl]

Nightwatcher 😭

[candid talon]

I guarantee you he doesn't have 350 possible meta or relevant build items. Nightwatcher has uses.

[hearty owl]

Ok fine

Go to your weapons @novel ember

[candid talon]

He can get rid of 90% of the Gear Set pieces

[surreal moth]

Slowly I feel like Striker is the answer to every question in this game

[hearty owl]

Yessir

[novel ember]

i have many not just mask guys

[hearty owl]

Has been that way for 3 years

[surreal moth]

Atleast when it comes to dps builds

[novel ember]

im checking

[candid talon]

I mean, it is. It just differs if "some blues", obliterate chest or full strikers. That's it.

[ashen portal]

So based like playing cod everyone runs one gun and set up makes it boring

[hearty owl]

Keep Punch Drunk

[candid talon]

Keep that. You won't use it any time soon but it's not the easiest piece to get.

Specially with decent roles.

[ashen portal]

Unfortunately there will always be a “meta”

[novel ember]

for sure ya i need this one

[hearty owl]

You can purge all those brother

[candid talon]

Is that Mop, Thorn, Tsunami, etc.? Is that LVOAC or Lexington?

[violet juniper]

not everything but damage is pretty much king in this game. Striker is the sustain DPS King

[hearty owl]

Oh nvm didnt see the other screenshots

[candid talon]

Is that Dark Winter, Test Subject, etc.? Boy you have an issue

[novel ember]

with low level you cant say this im dying here with striker man without dps buff with me im doing nothing the highest dmg is 900 something

[candid talon]

You have a lot of possible meta weapons there

[hexed steppe]

Only till you fall in love with nego 😍

[candid talon]

Nego makes you look like a one man army

[novel ember]

ya thorn mop tsunami >>

[violet juniper]

Hunters Fury or Striker

[hearty owl]

No one using nego cause you don’t get big number but instead you are literally killing 4 things at once

[candid talon]

Yeah I can't give you suggestions from just screenshots, you'd have to stream and I'd have to check most stuff individually, a lot of that is useful

[surreal moth]

Whats that

[violet juniper]

Nego Bluescreen is ridiculous on legendary

[novel ember]

artist tool mate

[hearty owl]

Absolute garbage

[candid talon]

Nego Bluescreen is like, door opens, everyone dies

[violet juniper]

Get into the habit of keeping stuff with high rolls, not names.

[novel ember]

i will be really thankfull bro i can share ya come

[novel ember]

brooo hahaha you want me to delete all my stuff

[violet juniper]

if it's not good, then yes

[hexed steppe]

Crit based dps set. Use oblit/glass grupo chest, coyote or ceska mask, 4pc nego.

[hearty owl]

Said I didn’t see all the screenshots but even then most are useless

[candid talon]

Sure, I don't mind helping out, send me a DM and share your screen I'll try to help you get rid of at least 50 pieces

[wispy sluice]

any good pve build that shreds with run and gun with shd lvl 100? im feeling like in big disatvantage

[violet juniper]

4pc nego Bluescreen with Catalyst is kinda fun too

[candid talon]

Learn positioning, really.

[candid talon]

😂

[hearty owl]

And you can refarm literally any of those pieces again very easily except the DZ exclusives. Should get used to it in a loot shooter

[shy willow]

Hunters fury is the embodiment of run and gun, check the builds in the spreadsheet

[violet juniper]

catharsis 😭

[surreal moth]

So... i shoot every enemy in the room once and then dps any of them down and murder all of them?

[violet juniper]

Run and gun King is hunters Fury

[novel ember]

unforn_ dont have lexington

[wispy sluice]

ive built one, but im not hitting like i should be

[charred eagle]

Anyone ever tried a yellow ND build? If so how did you like it?

[candid talon]

Then those are probably all trash xD

[violet juniper]

pretty much

[subtle bluff]

I mean, probably only like 5-10% is actually good to keep.

[candid talon]

You tick everyone once then spam the sponge.

[surreal moth]

That does sound funny ngl

[violet juniper]

Share a screenshot?

[shy willow]

I've seen this setup precisely once, and it was purely for an extremely niche one shot strat

[novel ember]

guys whats that Nego ? weapn ?

[candid talon]

Negotiator's gear set

[novel ember]

i know about lexin but i cant get it anymore

[wispy sluice]

all on CHC and CHD, got also lady death as alternative, but no mods on my shield, so it breaks within couple shots, still squishy

[candid talon]

This discord doesn't have voice chats (or at least I can't see them?) but send me a DM, I'll help you

[charred eagle]

Tryin for a hybrid with it, using skills. But yea imo one shot build are pretty niche

[violet juniper]

that's why you're doing less damage

[shy willow]

Okay so you're missing a chest talent bag talent and walker isn't a great brand

[violet juniper]

don't use bag and chest, ever.

[shy willow]

Again, check the spreadsheet

[candid talon]

Try that with Memento and Sokolov Obliterate chest.

[shy willow]

Lot of very well thought out guides in there

[violet juniper]

you want high end for bag and chest, and imo coyote isn't the best for hunters fury

it's good but there's better exotics for HF builds

[shy willow]

Just not worth tbh cuz skills can't crit

[candid talon]

I said Nemesis instead of Memento, kek.

[novel ember]

sent you bro

[novel ember]

hes right i tried this before

[violet juniper]

Memento HF is pretty much the best version of it, it's what I use

[wispy sluice]

okay ty, but you still go with 6 red core

[wispy sluice]

will do it now

[shy willow]

You can run blues with HF but it just increases your ttk

[violet juniper]

definitely. HF provides enough AoK for you to be a bit riskier

[shy willow]

Gives you a lot more leeway though so it's nice for beginners

[violet juniper]

if you run gunner spec you get even more AoK

I'm just gonna screenshot my build as a good reference point for what a HF build should Look like

[wispy sluice]

im quite not getting how to get to the build and watch it, i found a hunters fury but with shotgun

[wispy sluice]

yeah i know, i havent leveld gunner yet

[charred eagle]

The skills won’t be there for much dmg… really a distraction so I can lay the hammer down lol but really 160k for turret and 100k for drone isn’t bad especially with the way ND works

[shy willow]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mWk2Jgg8uJX3hkturWAET95gizwVHReoOOayO-ixe6U/edit?usp=sharing

[shy willow]

If you wanna do a red/yellow hybrid I'd suggest either striker or high end tbh

[wispy sluice]

thx

[violet juniper]

@wispy sluice this is my build

the weapons are my personal preference, but Backfire is a really good choice

[wispy sluice]

thank you man! ill also have the backfire, would you say its the best choice of smg here?

[wispy sluice]

oh yeah just read that hahahahaha

[violet juniper]

for HF, it honestly is

[wispy sluice]

arent you going for shield?

[violet juniper]

the bleed is mitigated really easily, and getting 2% CHD on every bullet is a huge damage increase

[violet juniper]

I don't use shields

I prefer decoy simply because it's more versatile

[wispy sluice]

wouldnt the lady death also be a great choice with the sprint stacks?

[violet juniper]

not really

it's more of a PvP weapon, as much as I want to love it

you just don't do enough damage with the mag to warrant using it over Backfire or a good high end SMG

[wispy sluice]

ok ok im going in countdown for sokolov chest, everything else should be ready (not perfect) but i could play

[violet juniper]

let us know how it goes

[wispy sluice]

thanks, i made a screenshot of yours and saved it for later. Did you went on every piece with wpn dmg, chc, chd? can you send a screen of your stats?

[violet juniper]

sure

HF and Memento is all Crit damage, the chest is CHC and CHD

all gear mods are crit damage

last I checked my crit damage with backfire full stacks is something like 396% CHD

[subtle bluff]

There's small list of what to keep.

[violet juniper]

These are my stats

[subtle bluff]

To reference any DPS builds will always try to get to max CHC without going over cap 60% then the rest into CHD.

[violet juniper]

if you're still making your build, your most important job is getting to 50% CHC

any extra is a nice bonus, then you start building CHD

[wispy sluice]

ty bro

[surreal moth]

What would yall run as yellow piece with ouroboros 4 striker and coyote

[violet juniper]

None?

[surreal moth]

But there is one gear slot open

[subtle bluff]

Ceska & Grupo

[surreal moth]

But only one slot

[hazy steeple]

Ceska, always Ceska.

If it has crit and there's room: ceska

[surreal moth]

And if I get to 60 without the 8 from ceska grupo?

[subtle bluff]

That means you have room for more CHD

[surreal moth]

I have crit dmg on every piece and mod

But cant spell smh

And on my weapon aswell

[subtle bluff]

oh ouro. Then use foxe's instead of coyotes

[surreal moth]

And I am at 51 without the coyote buff

[subtle bluff]

You don't stats CHC on SMG it comes like that

[subtle bluff]

Only 15-25m

Ceska and Fox's 57% CHC and more dmg.

[hazy steeple]

Yeah Coyotes with an SMG uses the first buff, not the 2nd.

[surreal moth]

What is Fox

-# What does the fox say

[violet juniper]

Fox's Prayer, they're named kneepads

Overlord brand, they give you +10% Damage to Target out of Cover

[surreal moth]

Is Fox's prayer plus ceska better then one of them plus coyote?

[subtle bluff]

Go to the pinned messages and learm about the different gear stuff in the game.

[violet juniper]

for your gun, yes

[surreal moth]

Which section of the sheet are you referring to?

[violet juniper]

it depends on what gun you're using. For SMG's, boosting damage can be more important than crit

crit is a multiplier after all. You need a good damage basis for that crit to work with.

[subtle bluff]

But also to Rivens point you're counting your CHC wrong with Coyote

I'm assumming you're using Stikers chest

[surreal moth]

Yes I noticed that, I just counted it like that because thats the buff I mostly see active

[subtle bluff]

Over this, just post the guide.

[subtle bluff]

how do you know which one is active?

[surreal moth]

Because you get the according icon in the buff bar

[subtle bluff]

So the middle on is mostly active for you when using ouro?

[surreal moth]

Yes

[subtle bluff]

0.o using ouro at it's worse range.

[surreal moth]

Maybe that will change now though, I mostly played Elmo an d only got Ouroboros today

[violet juniper]

At this point I'm just gonna start recommending the Sacrifice/Gift version of striker to people and see how far they get

[rich lotus]

anyone know if its possible to change the core attributes on elmos engine?

[subtle bluff]

No

[violet juniper]

You want to use Oreo up close.

[subtle bluff]

He'll learn that quickly

[rich lotus]

if i were to get another elmos would they be different?

[subtle bluff]

no

[violet juniper]

The only attribute that can change on an exotic weapon is the minor attribute

[subtle bluff]

Wait... what's "core attributes" on a weapon..

[violet juniper]

I'm assuming he means AR and Health Damage on the St Elmo

[surreal moth]

Literally what it says in the menu

[subtle bluff]

It's WD, then it's main attributes then minior attributes

What would Core attributes on a weapon change to?

[violet juniper]

The only one that can change is the minor attribute. The percentages of the attributes are randomised

[rich lotus]

it says none of the slots can be recalibrated tho?

[surreal moth]

You have to recraft it

[subtle bluff]

Because on exotice you can't just recal it

Reconfigure it.

[rich lotus]

how

[surreal moth]

At the crafting station

After you bought the corresponding blueprint from the gal next to it.

[rich lotus]

alr next question, how do i get the option to craft it? do i need a bp or smthn

[subtle bluff]

He already mentioned it

[violet juniper]

oh yeah, you can't recalibrate it. You have to reroll it and pray for what you want

[rich lotus]

oh mb mb

[surreal moth]

Average timing to start praying to Rngesus

[subtle bluff]

Well that's also knowing what he's looking for

[surreal moth]

Used like 15 exo components for my Ouroboros today until I got what I want

So this is what I am running atm

[rich lotus]

what would the best minor att be to gtry and recraft it to? crit damage?

[surreal moth]

The next upgrades would be Fox's prayer knees and Striker mask instead?

[subtle bluff]

Just to check you have DTTooC on the weapon

[surreal moth]

No Crit dmg

[subtle bluff]

DTTooC

Both of you it's DTTooC. Damage to Targets out of Cover is what you want

[rich lotus]

gotcha ty

[surreal moth]

And about this?

[slate wedge]

why would anybody use a claws out on a pistol build if picaros exists? (except for the 1% wd)

there is literally no benefit to use claws out for anything

[glossy scarab]

claws out + bloody knuckles + lady death is ok if you want to attempt make a build around melee damage. also pretty useless

[subtle bluff]

Posted the guide explaining it. You're jsut adding on to it with it.

[surreal moth]

I am sorry maybe I am lost, but the guide you forwarded doesn't explain any of the main topics we've been talking about. Only explains why those are BIS for an AR build which I am not using atm

[hasty sluice]

nuh uh. The new sling shot means you can use the second one.

[hasty sluice]

Idealy you would change over one of the CHD to CHC. So you sit at about 57%

[slate wedge]

there’s a fun one for pvp but other than that pretty useless

[glossy scarab]

oh yeah thats where i remember it from. as a pvp build

[surreal moth]

These are the smg builds I have in my mind atm, any suggestions?

[hasty sluice]

#1 isnt the best due to having strikers chest. Its hard to keep the 200 stacks up to be worth it on anything below legendary. as for #2 the DTTOOC isnt worth dropping the coyotes mask.

[subtle bluff]

Even then striker chest in leggo is hard to keep it them imo incursion is the only really good place for chest.
Yes and no only for SMG with 15 CHC mods then foxes does work better because you’re over cap CHC if you’re stats and SHD watch too

[hasty sluice]

ill keep that in mind.

[surreal moth]

So.... no Fox's prayer.. even though I just got myself a max rol

[hasty sluice]

@surreal moth

[subtle bluff]

I’ve tried with him already.

I guess not the striker chest

But also if you really want to use Ouro or SMG HF maybe good for you too

[idle echo]

Hello, just a quick question. I’m running a all red core striker build with the engine and coyotes mask and my crit chance is currently at 42% so I’m just curious if I should try to get that crit chance up more or work with the crit chance the coyotes gives your for killing enemies 25+ meters away witch that will put me over cap

[subtle bluff]

Elmo right?

[idle echo]

Yes

[subtle bluff]

But general rules for CHC/CHD is:
With Coyote 50-54%
W/o Coyote closet to 60% without going over cap.

Equip

[verbal gust]

Tbf it’s really good to be at cap anyway cause if your not that far away Itl
Be hard to crit. My rule is always keep crit cap

[solar sable]

50-57% → 👑

[idle echo]

Yeah makes since, I’ve been trying stay back and make sure to always keep that buff up but single target fights are rough that’s why I was curious. Thanks for the info fellas

[surreal moth]

How do you get to those numbers with that gearset?

[violet juniper]

Every one of my crit stats is maxed out, I'm using a maxed out exotic SMG, and I have SHD watch bonuses

[surreal moth]

What attributes/mods do you run?

[vestal ibex]

Rip that chest.

It's a crit build. It's all CHC/CHD

Get to 60% CHC dump the rest into CHD, every crit build ever.

[solar sable]

it's backfire you gotta use hazpro rolls and bleed res mods!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[violet juniper]

why?

[vestal ibex]

This the YouTube build advice channel now?

[vestal ibex]

It's not optimized.

[solar sable]

yes 🙄

[violet juniper]

Exotics have unique mods, but I run DTA. Mostly because I couldn't be assed to waste my exo comps on DTTOOC

[violet juniper]

I don't need ceska.

[surreal moth]

I know that, I meant the gear

[vestal ibex]

??

[surreal moth]

Also what does the expertise things give oyu for stats?

[vestal ibex]

Did you misread what I typed?

[violet juniper]

oh you meant the gear itself. Eh, I managed to fully optimise the crit but the weapon damage needs hyena tactical assessments and I cba to farm them

[vestal ibex]

I just craft em

[violet juniper]

it's 3%, it's not effecting the build

[vestal ibex]

I mean if you're solo you could go way off base and it wouldn't "effect" the build.

[violet juniper]

right.. but it's 3 percent AWD

it's not affecting the build lmao, everything else is optimised

[violet juniper]

oh I run crit damage attributes and mods on every piece

[surreal moth]

Thank you

[torpid walrus]

Thoughts on negotiator’s dilemma? It seems really strong from the description. Is it a good DPS choice?

[violet juniper]

Great set, best in group fighting, not so good against single targets

[torpid walrus]

I see. Thank you!

[hazy steeple]

I think most players want to slingshot it into the sun.

[surreal moth]

Most players would have probably rather gotten a literal slingshot instead of that weapon

[grand lava]

Gotta work for Nasa too figure all this out

[deep ore]

Good evening(or morning) lads, coming back to the game after 3 years of break, is there an optimal build to use for the Brooklin DLC?

[subtle bluff]

Strikers, HF, HB all still good. All are in the Pinned messages

[tranquil delta]

Hows that bighorn build with the armor? Seems hyped rn

[subtle bluff]

For PvP yes, not so much for PvE. .

[violet juniper]

It's the most popular PvP build

[subtle bluff]

Starting lvl 40 Farm Guide & Unicorn gear list
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Tc2UDqrX0vBw-f18opih3idHlueXN7ca2HSEP_yAZDM/edit?usp=sharing

[odd ginkgo]

Is there a guide like that for console players? I've got a buddy at level 37.

[subtle bluff]

Div2 is the same on all platforms.

[odd ginkgo]

The buttons aren't.

[solar sable]

unless you want some screenshots to add to the guide with console buttons

[brazen slate]

Can someone drop the slingshot base stats in here

[subtle bluff]

It just more range

[odd ginkgo]

Optimal Range 60

[subtle bluff]

It's the same place to look... I don't have an Xbox or ps to know.

I could just take out the H

[solar sable]

no need, I'll share some ss with console buttons

[odd ginkgo]

Could someone do the same for PS? Don't want to leave them out.

[solar sable]

they would be pretty much the same, just different shapes lol
I can ask a friend in ps for those

[subtle bluff]

I mean I can just take out the H. It doesn't need to be there.

[dawn perch]

I have a problem guys. I have serious problem with dps and surivival. Problem is that I do not have low ttk to kill things quick enough on legendary nor have bulk to survive long enough on legendary. Currently have 4 red, 2/3 blue core. I do not move around a lot and so collecting momento is really hard are as well.

[autumn yacht]

send ur build

[dawn perch]

with the builder? Could Post external link for should I just spell it out

[autumn yacht]

like screenshot

or build tool i guess

[dawn perch]

@autumn yacht The st.elmos can be replace with lmg or backfire or any other gun honestly.

do note that I cannot build up striker stacks very easily

unless I am close to anything but I am always behind cover at medium range

so I am usually not able to get any stacks

[autumn yacht]

id roll 1 more blue core or you can try HB which is ceska mask HB chest

[dawn perch]

blue heartbreaker? As I do not know if I could build up stacks with heartbreaker right?

[subtle bluff]

On leggo. It's not really a build problem more gameplay.

Not to be rude.

Which leggo are you trying to do?

[dawn perch]

I know about the gameplay problem but I am trying build around them right now. (legit have skill issues). I have poor movement patterns and usually would rather sit in one location.

[autumn yacht]

heartbreaker is like noob striker i think it would be better for you

[dawn perch]

I do not know but I have used it and I think never was able to build armour up at all. straight up. What would be the cause of that?

[astral kraken]

i have literally the perfect thing for you, like for real

[subtle bluff]

For leggo HB will lack on DPS here and there.

[astral kraken]

there's this goat called toasteyxgod. he recently did a bunch of solo legendaries on this hardcore account. what this means is he needed to approach every mission as safely as possible. so just watch those videos and learn the positions. that will be a great way to learn imo:
https://www.youtube.com/@toasteyxgod/videos

i think this is much more accessible than learning it from more aggressive solo runs because in aggressive solo runs you need to improvise fast

but this way you can learn the nice safe spots and then be more aggressive from there as you get comfortable

(and it's perfectly viable in group play too because good spots are good spots)

[astral kraken]

hb sucks for one reason. it doesn't build stacks on... guess what...

[subtle bluff]

I KNOW

[hoary valve]

does anyone have a skill build for damaging enemies?

[dawn perch]

that is legit might be the thing I need in general. I was wondering if adjustment to my build fit my style would work but you just gave me signficant better way to do this. Thanks.

[astral kraken]

your build is perfect for learning. i am biased because i learned with that exact build.

[smoky moss]

actually after playing for a few weeks with HB, I can't say why I would keep using it over Striker in almost every scenario. The main reason being is that cooldown on gaining bonus armor stacks. If HB had no cooldown on it, it could be amazing because you could have large build variety with it..

I'm yet to find a reason and to justify to myself why I would choose HB over Striker now that I've played with all kinds of playstyles. Yet, bonus armor is kind of nice, but it's so unreliable that it will screw you over at the worst possible times when it doesn't refresh the stacks. I don't know, if I'm running and gunning HF or Striker's is it.

I'm trying to find a place for HB playing this game. I'm still not sure where it would fit.

[autumn yacht]

yeah striker is better in every way, but hb is decent for absolute beginners if they are really struggling

[astral kraken]

i agree 1000%. i'm actually a heartbreaker hater. i think it's a terrible set and should never be used ever. i've tried it in so many configurations and it's exactly as you described.

[hoary valve]

hf is good for backfire

[astral kraken]

also see zero value in face tanking things when there is infinite hp cover all around

[astral kraken]

why not hf though. memento is more than enough bonus armor and you are cc'ing everything near you.

[subtle bluff]

Most of the time.

[astral kraken]

fair point

i meant more for general play

[hoary valve]

backfire is my playstyle

[subtle bluff]

That doesn’t explain a lot. I use BF but with no Blue or Hazpro how does that playstyle work?

[astral kraken]

trust me, in legendary position is extremely important. it's as important as your build. sometimes you'll struggle with some encounter and then you'll discover a good position and it makes the encounter easy. obviously you need a build that can take advantage of a good position (which you have).

perfect example is the dumpster in the first encounter of dua. literally every other place you can be will get you shot and grenaded. that's why sometimes you'll matchmake into a group and they're all getting ripped apart by minitanks. then you discover that magical dumpster and suddenly you are taking 0 damage while giving out lots of damage.

[smoky moss]

I mean every set really has it's purpose. OD is amazing in team play, directives where there's no ammo etc.. a true powerhouse of a team play and even solo. Hollowpoint rounds hit HARD and you share it with your teammates.. Great set.

HF, run and gun and CC galore. You like to go up into their faces playing with friends? No problem, HF does it and helps your teammates clear the room. Run and gun set in full glory yet helps the team in a different way than OD but still amazing and strong.

Skill/Status/Repair (Refactor/Hardwired/etc) builds/sets are amazing on their own and for people who love to help. Lots of people like that. I do want sometimes to help as well sometimes and chill from running and gunning. That's all great.

Striker, needless to describe. Can do it all, run all blues, get memento on, pick up one trophy, you got millions of armor. Because it hits hard, works far more reliably than HB.

And this leaves HB. What does it offer compared to other sets? Shooting pulsed enemies to keep generating your armor? Offers nothing from what I've seen to the team, so it's not really that great of a DPS build compared to Striker.

/rant out

[astral kraken]

hb gives up too much damage for too much armor. when i see an hb player with 1 billion armor running around i don't think "wow that's cool"... i think "wow that's a waste"

imo you should have as little armor as needed for what you're doing. any more and you are wasting something.

[hoary valve]

see i run hf with my gear stats set to cric hit

[smoky moss]

what's actually funny is for most HB users works basically like this:

1. Run in and fight
2. Pulse enemies or aim with technician laser
3. Shoot ACS 12
4. Generate a bajillion bonus armor
5. Switch to Kingbreaker
6. Hit hard for a bit, tons of bonus armor
7. One red bar hits you from the back at a funky angle or the game decides to give it a magic bullet, takes all armor and bonus armor off but you are on HB cooldown
8. Now you are on the floor 🤣

That 10 seconds cooldown luls you into false sense of having tons of armor and then you get popped. 🙂

[astral kraken]

lulz you*

[subtle bluff]

Also no Kingbreaker it’s bad.

I mean HB can do more if done right.

[smoky moss]

the only interesting HB build I saw was from someone here.. a regular who ran BTSU gloves.. but that's pretty much it. I can't remember who it was.

[dawn perch]

that one of the problems I had with heartbreaker. It just fails to kill the target honestly. I am debating whether striker is even good for what I am but it seems to be working. the issue is building up to max stacks but if I am shooting enough I could be getting max stacks. A lot of builds end up relying on the aa12 to even build those stacks which not good.

[subtle bluff]

Probably me

[smoky moss]

yeah it might have been you @subtle bluff

[subtle bluff]

Since I am the only one that does it

[smoky moss]

yah I think you showed me a clip with HB on Zoo right?

[subtle bluff]

Yeeeee that me

[smoky moss]

yup yup

[subtle bluff]

That build works but I only use it to teach kind of leggo now.

[smoky moss]

i'll just say.. HB was fun last season with Microwave coils though.. since it was setting them on fire. That was actually fun.

[subtle bluff]

I wish they didn’t balance the buff they had from PTS

[loud narwhal]

Would full blue negotiators be viable? Or should I do a mix of blue and red or just straight red?

[subtle bluff]

Red

[astral kraken]

nice thing about nego is you dont need to dps trade w/ enemies. if it shoots you back just break line of sight and shoot something else.

[loud narwhal]

Not sure if it is working like I think..... But I like bluescreen. Since I'm hitting multiple enemies then I can status and mark and DPS and disorient all at the same time.... Thinking that or pestilence

[subtle bluff]

I LOVE Bluescreen nego the issue with this is that if you kill them too quick Bluescreen doesn’t do much.

[astral kraken]

and all the aggro is on you 😂

literally every npc says "kill that guy"

[loud narwhal]

Chameleon was another one for the increased CHC or CHD

[astral kraken]

great synergy with a red dps tho, if you have one on your team

[subtle bluff]

I can’t say to for nego on anything below 4player heroic.

[loud narwhal]

Going from a blue core to a red core build is awful. I am so squishy. Sure I do damage but I get two tapped

[subtle bluff]

Take better cover use skills

[loud narwhal]

I'm using banshee and reviver. Literally only thing that saved me

[plain girder]

Does empathetic resolve work with measured as in be tier 3 but boosted 2 6 if close range 2 players ans give tier 6 empathetic resolve buffs?

[subtle bluff]

Wait which one is empathetic talent?

And brandset Measure assembly?

[astral kraken]

repairing ally boosts weapon/skill dmg 15%

[subtle bluff]

Wait.. The chest Talent and gearset talent

GOD he spell out the first one fine but the set he says a the weapon talent but meant the gearset

[subtle bluff]

Am I right?

[astral kraken]

yea i think so. i think they're wondering if the skill tiers you get from measured assembly apply to empathetic resolve which scales with skill tier.

i would assume yes but havent tested that. skill tier is skill tier.

[plain girder]

Correct

[subtle bluff]

It doesn’t proc the talent but yes it does set your Skill Teir higher

[plain girder]

So a build at skill tier 3 wouldnt proc tier 6 empathetic resolve when boosted by allies to 6 and just be set to 3?

[subtle bluff]

Well you have to heal them of course then yeah

[plain girder]

🤣well yea ofc ik i have 2 heal them

[subtle bluff]

But it should work

[split plank]

I'm playing around a bit on negotiators, and wanna run an AR, whats the current best in slot for the season ?

is it the M4 still ?

[slate wedge]

solo legendary?

[subtle bluff]

I haven't tried I wouldn't be able to use for every section for sure like I could but rather not.

[slate wedge]

i remember that some solo wr were with nego

[subtle bluff]

I think that was before my time.

[astral kraken]

nego was a lot stronger when shield peeking was a thing

and damage wasnt as inflated

nowadays you're better off w striker for most encounters

[slate wedge]

yeah probably true

[abstract echo]

What does incoming repair means as like a mod for armor

[subtle bluff]

I'll simple it's useless.

No one uses it nor should use it.

[hexed steppe]

yup, 👆
if you have a healer in group they are already stacked with repair skills.

[hexed steppe]

its just for boosting skill incoming repairs, possibly survivalist medkit shared repairs but im half guessing on that. afaik, it doesnt boost catharsis dots or refactor repair

[abstract echo]

Ok so build
coyote mask
Backpack with bloodsucker and armor on kill
And everything else striker and 3 of the peices will have max armor and health and armor regain on it and the rest have damage buffs thoughts?

[subtle bluff]

Do one or another not both for bonus armor and AoK

IMO too much blue

[abstract echo]

What do you mean?

[subtle bluff]

AoK (Armor on Kill)
Bonus Armor on Kill
You have both.

[abstract echo]

Ya it gives me more armor per kill or is that not how it works?

[astral kraken]

he's saying it's too much. you'll be suffering a big dps loss.

and the armor you're getting won't balance that out

couple bursts from even a red enemy and all that armor is gone

[hexed steppe]

just use memento instead of a blood sucker bag. youll get a lot more out of it. can just ceska or grupo the mask

[abstract echo]

Ok so what should I change the armor on kill with

[astral kraken]

what playstyle are you going for?

[subtle bluff]

Also are you using AoK skill mods?

[abstract echo]

I mostly run and gun

[hexed steppe]

this is my copy pasta about memento perks.

Memento is the hardest working single piece in the game.

I look at all it does. Cores and long buff only (at full stacks) represent:
-45% weapon damage
-2 shield tiers
-free armor and skill core
Skill efficiency (% in all Skill Buckets)
-30% skill damage
-30% status effects
-30% skill duration
-30% skill health
-30% skill haste
-30% skill repair
-# skill buckets™️
-3% armor regen

Short buff adds temporary core dependent boosts. so weapon damage, more skill efficiency, bonus armor.

also perfect for run/gun. fits any dps as long as its use is understood

[astral kraken]

use that as a starting point. add more blue cores if you need them.

if you run and gun use a decoy instead of revive hive

run into room, throw decoy, start shooting things

[abstract echo]

How do you get the stuff blue?

[hexed steppe]

color blind mode

changes the colors

[abstract echo]

Oh fair enough i have seen a few people have it blue but never knew why

[hexed steppe]

mostly its used to outline the radius of things in white for easy visibility. stuff like mortar, heals, hive, etc

[abstract echo]

Ok

So question can I only change one attribute?

[solar sable]

One attribute/core/talent at a time. But that slot can be changed as many times as you want.

[abstract echo]

What do you mean by at a time?

[solar sable]

If you change/recalibrate one attribute from a e.g vest you can't change the talent nor the core

[abstract echo]

So basically I can only change one thing or recalibrate or attribute per thing like I can’t change like the core attribute and the attribute

[solar sable]

basically

[abstract echo]

That’s dumb

Can I still optimize everything or no?

[subtle bluff]

It’s balance

[solar sable]

yes

[abstract echo]

Ok

[solar sable]

No it's not. Then there should be no point in farming in a looter shooter.

[abstract echo]

Well ya I get that but if you’re trying to make a certain build it makes it so you just have to get lucky if you want certain things on your armor and stuff

[solar sable]

that's basically why it's in that genre

[subtle bluff]

It could be a lot worse.

[abstract echo]

True

[wispy sluice]

any good pvp builds here? im shd 100 rn and want to compete with dz/conflict. i saw some on the spreadsheet but it all had guns i didnt have

[wispy sluice]

ive got all pieces! now i lack materials to change attributes :D

[subtle bluff]

Get your SHD up first, you'll be at a disadvantage in dz

[wispy sluice]

its my goal with the 5x ep event starting today, whats a good start with shd level to go in the dz?

[odd ginkgo]

At minimum you'd want to be SHD 1000. However the people in there will have their gear with Expertise upgrades.

You might want to consider joining a clan that does PvP too. Having people on comms will be a benefit.

[subtle bluff]

800