td2-build-advice

[simple haven]

Honestly what I'm seeing is that the slower firing/bigger the bullet, the generally worse the accuracy is

the 650 RPM ACR has about as bad accuracy as the AKM (600 RPM)

But at some point that turns around? the FAMAS was fairly inaccurate as well, which was a 900 RPM

[urban latch]

I'd say the Lexington, M4, or carbine 7

[simple haven]

850 RPM F2000 is really bad accuracy too

Yeah the C7 has been the standout as of yet

[urban latch]

Also with the famas there's the difference between stability (kick) and accuracy. It is very accurate, but has a good amount of (manageable) vertical kick

[simple haven]

M4 is pretty close to the C7. If I had to choose I'd say it's slightly less accurate but that could just be a perception thing from the slightly higher ROF

lemme try the FAMAS again, I felt like I was geting weird horizontal fliers with it past the first few rounds

[urban latch]

I think purely looking at accuracy the fal is good as well, but the low mag size kinda kills it in general

[simple haven]

oh, no, the FAMAS is pretty darn tight, but yeah it does have that initial stability issue with the sharp vertical kick

absolutely not, I just magdumped FAL in the range and it was just about the same as the AKM

shoots a huge circle

[urban latch]

Really? It's probably been years since I tried it at this point lol

[simple haven]

So it looks like it's coming down to C7 (generally good) and FAMAS (needs vertical control but noticeably tighter spread)

[thorny solstice]

CTAR is also good one

[honest moss]

They are all fine. "Testing" ARs at 50m is pointless just pick whatever one you like at this point, i promise you this is not worth all this headache. The accuracy difference in gameplay will be minimal when in the right range

[simple haven]

the fact that an AKM can't beam the shield slot or foot, or even consistently headshot, at 25m is a huge downside

and you aren't always fighting in your good range, even in missions there's plenty of long rooms

and, again, I'm specifically exhausted with needing a second pocket gun, and having to carry an alt weapno means I can't level expertise in that slot

[simple haven]

I'll keep an eye out for one, no craftable version unfortunately
is there maybe one in weekly vendors?

[honest moss]

AKM is fine at 25m for me. is it the accuracy or the bounce that is an issue? Same with the FAL and everything else i tested. Practically no difference. But goodluck i guess.

If it is for a main weapon just go m4/lexington. They are standard dps ARs and will fit any build needing one

Should also note the visual bullet isn't always accurate either. As seen with MRs, shots can look off but hit.

[simple haven]

see with the AKM you get fliers like this VERY often

they're very easy to spot and they happen like every 4th-5th bullet

I'm just spraying here but look how far that white dot is from the center of hte reticle where it "should" be

and in combat if you need to clip a head or foot you'll notice it

[honest moss]

Oh that is the recoil pattern. Nothing really changes those. Capacitor has a similar thing. Every gun will do that to a degree unless it is insanely precise. I think i understand your issue now

[simple haven]

Are you not holding down the trigger and getting past the first few rounds? the first few rounds of any AR are accurate, this is true

[thorny solstice]

If u can handle Famas stability then thats most accurate in my opinion, very little spread and horizontal sway.
If someone is looking for highest mag then best one is AUG with its 62mag, but its hard to handle at futher distances.

[simple haven]

but once you hold the trigger down past maybe 5 rounds the difference between gun accuracy is VERY noticeable

[honest moss]

I hold full auto on every AR

[simple haven]

Yeah, swapping back and forth, it's coming down to C7 which is generally low kick/high accuracy, or the FAMAS which needs a bit more work to manually drag downward, but is noticeably even more accurate

[thorny solstice]

If you cant beam head from 20m and hit all the shots, then its trash AR...lets be honest.
Its other thing if someone likes the gun...that doesnt make it good tho.

[thorny solstice]

CTAR is inbetween

[honest moss]

They all do something like this but some are wilder on the range of it. M4, lexington, famas are likely best but C7, Ctar and ... i forgot the name but similar stats 850 is solid. I would lean towards the m4 as again it is going to be better on the DPS side of things

If you have a lexington use that. Basically the same gun as the m4

[simple haven]

I dunno if I'd call them "trash", i picked out the AKM/TKB because they're good for a very specific purpose of having high damage per magazine, which makes being able to 1-mag elites down or generally finish kills before needing to reload way cleaner

but yeah the accuracy issues are finally getting to me especially since I'm trying to get expertise on a whole lot of exotics I don't want to actually shoot

[honest moss]

What build is this for? Some builds will use different weapons anyway.

[thorny solstice]

If thats your envy then try AUG also

[honest moss]

Forgot there is an AR version of this. Oops. Love the bighorn though.

[simple haven]

A general purpose AR, really? Across various gun builds. ND, hybrid healer/gun builds, umbra

[violet juniper]

C7, Lexington, and Police M4 are the most accurate.

Lexington is the most accurate gun

[simple haven]

Huh, I missed that the AUG has a 42 round mag by default

[honest moss]

Well you have your answer then. Police M4, Lexington. Those are the best option really.

[violet juniper]

AUG has similar accuracy to its SMG variant. That is to say, none

[simple haven]

Lexington was a special seasonal wasn't it?

[violet juniper]

yup.

[simple haven]

can't farm one up then, RIP

[violet juniper]

Police M4 is the most similar. C7 has similar accuracy, but no damage

don't forget the p416, that gun is great too

[honest moss]

Was given out a few seasons ago but i think it might come back. It is basically a reskinned m4 with slightly higher damage. Wouldn't stress too much

[simple haven]

i'll look for a p416 as well as a CTAR then

[honest moss]

P416, that was it. Has 850 rpm. Is actually fairly good to use but never see people running it. There is the named one but the talent is meh iirc

Also forgot about the honey badger.

[violet juniper]

Honey badger has a locked mod slot

[honest moss]

Yeah same with f2000. Annoying :[

[violet juniper]

the named P416 is only used in oxi builds

I would've suggested Caretaker, but you also can't get it anymore lmao

[honest moss]

Never used it yet nor the g36 versions so can't speak on it for general use/accuracy.

[thorny solstice]

In the end it comes down to your aiming capabilities, liking and build itself. Striker gives extra weapon handling, making some "harder" guns bit easier to use.
People mix up stability and accuracy all the time.

[violet juniper]

G36 is slower, low bullet spread. The talent makes it extremely strong

[urban latch]

I won't touch the g36 because it's accuracy is absolute trash. Arguably the worst in the AR class. It's basically the opposite of the famas, low accuracy with high stability

[thorny solstice]

I was just about to say that even Born Great (named g36) with that seemingly good talent for accuracy cant hit all bullets into head from 20m.
Caretaker is good gun for most solo heroic content tho.

[bright raptor]

Born Great also requires you to build stacks over the course of firing like the LMGs' inherent behavior

[simple haven]

Yeah, it's not that the weapon can't perform, it's just that it's annoying to have to position or wait

[hidden patrol]

Hey looking for some advice I've been messing around with the Virginian and im wondering is it better to go for crit damage and crit chance or focus on just headshot damage and use headhunter. the build i was using was sort of a hybrid of both but it lacked a lot of sustain. not sure if its just better to hyper focus on one facet of the weapon for the build or be an all rounder. Any thoughts?

was running a 4 set with breaking point and a coyote mask, as well as assault link. to give ya the sort of an idea of the build im running

[urban latch]

If your going to go with a headshot 1886 then I wouldn't use the Virginian, just use a normal 1886 with your choice of talent. So crit with Virginian, but tbh I'm not sure I'd use it on a crit build

[hidden patrol]

oh really can you get better dps without perfect boomerang?

cause thats the trait that it uses

[shy willow]

Focus on headshot or crit, don't mix

[spiral urchin]

Is system corruption targeted loot in any dz today?

[shy willow]

If you're using Virginian, build for crit, if you're going for headshot as raucey said just use a normal 1886 with your choice of talent

[shy willow]

System corruption can't be targeted

Same with Yaahl

[hidden patrol]

Gotcha ill try to hype focus crit

[spiral urchin]

It can, but only in darkzones

[shy willow]

It physically can't

It and Yaahl only drop by complete random in DZs

[shy willow]

Though if you're running breaking point I suggest a different rifle, something with a faster fire rate and bigger mag

To make better use of the stack mechanic

[hidden patrol]

Oh im just running it because i was unsure what else to run. It seemed like an alright set

[urban latch]

boomerang is a good talent for rifles, the main problem is your per bullet damage is huge, and low rpm, which is a bit of a disadvantage for crit builds. Say you do 4m a shot, and a target has 8.5m health, your taking 3 shots, which is effectively reducing your dps by a solid amount.

[hexed steppe]

It doesnt have a category in targetted loot. You need to farm gear type instead of brand/gearset.

Syscor can drop from legacy season caches. So at least there is another option

[hearty owl]

I remember when it used to be rare 😔

yet Yaahl is still gatekept in 2025

Maybe in 2026 we will bring back the 1/50 chance that the clan vendor sells Yaahl so I can get mats again

[shy willow]

yaahl was in the vendor like a week or two ago breh

[hearty owl]

oh rlly

[shy willow]

yeah fairly recently

[hearty owl]

I see

[shy willow]

man missed the mats rip

[hearty owl]

BUT YAAHL BAG STILL BEING GATEKEPT

[shy willow]

💀

[hearty owl]

Honest to god Vigi Yaahl bag is the rarest item in the game rn

[shy willow]

i assume there isn't a blueprint for the bag

[hearty owl]

There isn’t yeah

We need to report it as a bug

[strong cave]

If anyone remembers my determination to get aegis working, well... Here we go

[hearty owl]

Jesus christ

[shy willow]

what in hellfire

[hearty owl]

We were cooking

or being cooked

Actual jump scare

[shy willow]

lord grant us a fire extinguisher

[strong cave]

Don't mind me I'm on a mission to get aegis working

[shy willow]

we've tried sir it cant be saved

[strong cave]

WOW IT'S barely working

[onyx sage]

div2 horror game arc

[shy willow]

funnily enough I did try a yellow blue hybrid to get a t6 decoy when aegis got released, it was still trash

[strong cave]

I mean at least my build has overcharged

[hearty owl]

Should’ve made an all red Aegis build with headhunter and run Mantis to reset your decoy 😎

Holy aura build

[strong cave]

There would be no point because of the fact that ages decoy talent works with only the chest plate

[hearty owl]

Oh 💀

BRUISER MANTIS BUILD

[shy willow]

pls exit the kitchen rn

[strong cave]

Local spawned this idea of mine and I had to try it to see if using a decoy can increase the threat level just enough to force the target to Target the decoy so that way the team gets damaged reduction

[onyx sage]

i want some mental damage reduction

[hearty owl]

We have that at home sir

also you didn’t carry me descent yesterday wtf

so useless.. 😔

[strong cave]

Trust me, me too

I will say that at the beginning of every encounter my theory is working the problem is as soon as the enemies learn that you're shooting a decoy they stop targeting it altogether. Basically I'm doing nothing for the team

[tranquil wave]

Got the 4 pieces, was already headache, seems it drops plenty of pieces in caches, not that difficult to get honestly

Just gonna wait out for events and farm plenty of it for caches & stars

[celest relic]

Hey everyone, haven't played in a year or two maybe, not sure what's new, and if my build is still viable (mostly used it to hunt down CPs as it made it trivial). I just saw a new mode called descent? is it good? And I purchased some Brooklyn DLC but got nothing new when I came to NYC :?

[hearty owl]

Aces is fine but we have insane powercreep now and Hotshot is best for MMR’s

[neat apex]

Anyone off u guys have a viable strega build for this season ty in advance

[feral anvil]

i just take a standard striker build and slap strega on it

the strega talent does a lot of damage so i run 2-3 blue cores on it as well

[neat apex]

@feral anvil yup i was running the same

[tulip gulch]

Wish strega had more ammo, but 🤷‍♂️

[feral anvil]

even just 50 rounds would make it so much more enjoyable

[astral kraken]

the talent is the real problem imo

you reset to squirt gun every time a new wave comes out

[feral anvil]

i like the talent it is perfect for solo since ur the only person securing kills

[astral kraken]

at least with the cham you can wipe spawn doors sometimes

[tulip gulch]

They just want you to use “eagles grasp” haha

[craggy forge]

4p Hunters Fury with Memento the best Option or is Gift or DH Backpack with Vig stronger? SMG Build

[hearty owl]

You sure it’s not a pistol build lol

I mean Vigi is stronger always

But the options you mentioned are for the Hunter’s Fury Headhunter pistol build

No point in speccing into HSD from Gift nor Pistol dmg from DH bag on a SMG build

[craggy forge]

Oh true, SMG BUild is 2p Soklov, right?

[hearty owl]

Not sure how people like to run it but that is an option

Any assortment that gets you 60 CHC and like 120+ CHD? Is fine

I would recommend the headshot version with headhunter tho its like insanely strong 🙂

[cerulean smelt]

until you lost hh and all you see are warhounds and tanks (> <)

[hearty owl]

lol thats true ig, could just use a shotgun on them normally if you arent surrounded

[clever merlin]

the difference between streamline and perfect streamline is only 5%?

[hearty owl]

Yeah

People will still have you believe that the Lud is strong tho 😭

[clever merlin]

purist is good though right?

also feels like the difference should be higher

[hearty owl]

Haven’t really used a SMG 9 before but the talent itself is very underwhelming

I mean for PvE at least idk if people are using it in PvP

[clever merlin]

seems fine if you don't use shield/drone in PvE

[peak cloud]

Tried all the automatic rifles with a fine mag size. Out of all of them SIG 716 feels the most satisfying to me. Very punchy and weighty feel.
Is it good enough to use?

[cerulean smelt]

since he's not here to link it i'll do it for him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6vJhXTo0lI&t=2s

[hearty owl]

I think the SIG is one of the crappier rifles but I might be wrong

I mean I think the M1A CQB is still the best but it has terrible optimal range and handling

Artist Tool is the SIG I think??

[clever merlin]

mdr is my personal favorite

[verbal gust]

I like the 1886 1 shot everything with it

[hearty owl]

Yeah…

we were talking about REAL rifles tho not fake mmrs

[verbal gust]

Listen Linda. It says RIFLE under the name Kay? lol

[peak cloud]

Yeah, M1A CQB just feels terrible to shoot...

[light grove]

I’m a fan of the Mk17.

[peak cloud]

At some point sustained dps suffers over poor handling.

[verbal gust]

Wow they are learning 😭

[queen jackal]

I feel like refactor is not meant to be played solo open world and now I'm looking for some pure dps builds. I've read mixed opinions about striker build. are there alternatives to it?

[peak cloud]

I thought it shoots in burst fire mode only?

[light grove]

That’s the M16A2

[peak cloud]

Ah.

[hearty owl]

Heartbreaker is an alternative

[queen jackal]

thanks!

[verbal gust]

You’re a heartbreaker bro. 😎

[hearty owl]

Heartbreaker with Blue and Red cores > Striker with blue cores

[pastel crane]

Are there viable builds for Measured Assembly, at least for Legendaries or PvP?

[verbal gust]

Yessss healer is preferred I like them juicy heal shots coming when I let out my bullets

[hearty owl]

It feels really underwhelming in Legendary idk

Definitely does not replace a FI healer I mean you are giving 25% TWD for free on FI

[verbal gust]

But but Smart Cover 😢

[hearty owl]

You can use it on anything 😭

[cerulean smelt]

i say it feels underwhelming in general. about only nice thing is dropping a hive and watching skills go poof

[subtle bluff]

It’s feels more of crutches for people that are newer to leggo

[verbal gust]

Anything going poof is a nice feeling especially enemies tbh.

[hearty owl]

I think they should have made it more like Final Measure from Division 1. It should give a damage buff or something to the group when a mortar/skill is defused

[cerulean smelt]

would've loved where you diffuse you get a random grenade concussion or specialization grenade

[verbal gust]

But that is for the build gods to decide. Unfortunately we are peasants, pawns and play things in this community of nerfs and changes.

[hearty owl]

I loved Final Measure so much I was like its #1 fan 😭

[verbal gust]

Me too besides the mask (alpha bridge) smart* lol

[hearty owl]

Well designed gearset that didn’t force you into a single playstyle

[verbal gust]

Final measure with big Ali bro was my go to in the dz at one point

[hearty owl]

You could play healer, bruiser, whatever

Measured Assembly is very geared towards healer or some tank heal abomination

[astral kraken]

one word: electronics disabling assault smart cover

[mellow flint]

@cerulean smelt

[verbal gust]

You watch your mouth. That word is forbidden here

I used precision Smart Cover the other day in the dz took down a team of 4 with this regen build tho XD

[pastel crane]

Well, I just wanna give Measured Assembly a try and see if it works for me or not.

Hence why I asked

[clever merlin]

anyone here use the new nimble holster?

[verbal gust]

And your wish is our knuckle sir

[hearty owl]

Yes it’s busted

Can’t believe no one is using this like it will save you on random mm Legendaries

[verbal gust]

Nimble holster with perfect leadership

[hearty owl]

Cover to cover is broken as is, but you legit heal to full on a full red build

@astral kraken idk if you remember that Capitol we did a few days ago but I literally covered to covered across the entire boss floor using the nimble holster 😂

[clever merlin]

which brand is perfect leadership

[verbal gust]

Imminence armament

[astral kraken]

It's a really good set in legendary when the group isn't a bunch of gigachad meta degens. A good team will kill drone operators and med box guys fast so there's nothing for measured assembly to do. But if you have only like... one DPS on the team then measured assembly is amazing. It keeps the DPS safe from most drones and grenades which is their biggest threat.

But in Heroic difficulty there's simply nothing for the set to do. And you won't even be able to keep up with everyone running forward. Your smart cover cool down will be too long and no one will huddle around it.

[verbal gust]

I have the stinger it’s really good

[hearty owl]

That’s awesome

[astral kraken]

lol I noticed that was cool. I haven't used it yet but I was thinking of putting on my striker glass build to deal with the chip damage I take.

[verbal gust]

3p lengmo capn backpack w obliterate grupo chest and ceska holster

[subtle bluff]

You lied to me.

[hearty owl]

Yes I need to finish a random mm legendary with PGC and Nimble still. I got to the mall room on DUA as my furthest

[astral kraken]

you're the reason I opened this stupid app again in like a year. THANKS.

[subtle bluff]

Blame Whaet too then but FAIR.

[worn elbow]

How good is the victor exotic smg?

[hearty owl]

Wth..

[verbal gust]

Who’s wheat?

[clever merlin]

is perfect leadership backpack part of the season pass?

[hearty owl]

TRUE

[verbal gust]

Yes reward track

[hearty owl]

who tf is this wheat gluten guy

[clever merlin]

lol i mightve deconsctucted it already

[hearty owl]

its ok it doesn’t even work

[verbal gust]

Countdown is your best bet

[subtle bluff]

Good. Base it’s still has one of the highest burst DPS

[verbal gust]

Since when?

[clever merlin]

oh wait i haven't gotten it yet

[worn elbow]

Oh thanks

[hearty owl]

It doesn’t give any bonus from the original perk

[verbal gust]

Well then it’s a trophy piece then.

[hearty owl]

Pretty much

No one really knows cause who counts their bonus armor

I do. I count it.

[verbal gust]

I count too graduated kindergarten with high honors cause of it.

[hearty owl]

That’s crazy..

[verbal gust]

Even won the spelling bee

[hearty owl]

Holy aura

[astral kraken]

is there actually a cap for bonus armor btw?

[hearty owl]

Yeah I tested on a red buils 💀

[verbal gust]

See see. I can shoot!

[hearty owl]

nothing that anyone has reached

[onyx sage]

200% of your total armor

[verbal gust]

Not that I know of theirs also a protected reload build going around

[hearty owl]

what

[astral kraken]

lies?

[onyx sage]

get outnerded

[hearty owl]

wait really???

[onyx sage]

yes lmao how do you not know

[hearty owl]

I bet BlackestBile tested that

[astral kraken]

bruh get on my level what is this

[verbal gust]

Ok I need to go back to school

[subtle bluff]

Blue hotshot

[onyx sage]

wtf i thought y'all were supposed to know this

[hearty owl]

Dude who tf cares about bonus armor

[onyx sage]

okay meta slave

[verbal gust]

Well I said kindergarten not college master degree k?

[hearty owl]

LMFAO

[onyx sage]

you don't know every single thing about the game?

[hearty owl]

someone actually called me that recently…

[subtle bluff]

Oof

[clever merlin]

bonus armor is pretty good if your using vigilance

[onyx sage]

how dare you?

[verbal gust]

I do now

[clever merlin]

you can get hit still and not disable it

[astral kraken]

or just dont get hit 5head

[subtle bluff]

Wanna bet?

[verbal gust]

That’s too easy tho

[verbal gust]

No I’d lose chow shhhh dont give away my secrets and expose my spelling bee results.

[astral kraken]

this man has a production team exporting gifs!

[hearty owl]

Ok bruh

[onyx sage]

funny thing is the bonus armor limit wasn't in descent during pts. they forgot to add it. then live version has it and it crushed everyone's dreams of going armor

[verbal gust]

Looking at this I went to graduate kindergarten to lower Neanderthal thank you good sir

[onyx sage]

but hey armor expertise benefits your bonus armor!!! worth??

[subtle bluff]

On mobile easiest way to share

[hearty owl]

sybau

[hearty owl]

sybau x2

[onyx sage]

i only cook the FINEST div2 tips.

[verbal gust]

I don’t have a tip to give so that’s your job.

[subtle bluff]

Can I go back cooking for names for builds?

[onyx sage]

please no

mr. hornbreaker

[hearty owl]

I have the best build names

Nvm I can’t share I will get banned

[astral kraken]

wait what the hell...

[subtle bluff]

Fair…

[astral kraken]

why is the bad word not censored in your chat

is that a setting??

[onyx sage]

THAT GOT YOU?

[hearty owl]

Dammit he figured out the tech

[verbal gust]

What? I named my regen build the horn and the dead

[subtle bluff]

Using that btw

[hearty owl]

Don’t tell discord

[onyx sage]

I'm sorry we're gatekeeping chat display tech

[astral kraken]

50 million yea yea but the i want to write "lmao" in game

[onyx sage]

nope you will never know.

i am heimdall.

[hearty owl]

there is a bad word filter somewhere

[astral kraken]

ugh i found it

[onyx sage]

dammit

[hearty owl]

Bro has been playing for how many years???

[astral kraken]

only the tipsssSSSS

[onyx sage]

2 months

[verbal gust]

65 to be exact

[onyx sage]

what abomination did i set loose

[verbal gust]

Why are filters a thing? Aren’t we all adults with childish fixations?

[hearty owl]

I’m fixated to @onyx sage

[onyx sage]

sybau

[hearty owl]

Woah chill unc

[verbal gust]

I think I just felt something come up

[hearty owl]

You’re hitting 30 soon you can’t be saying that smh

[craggy forge]

If I want to play the backfire build without striker chest, which optional should I get, sokolov?

[subtle bluff]

Lol... Ya. There's some brain rot in this game sometimes. It comes here sometimes.

[subtle bluff]

There's like only one place where both striker chest and backfire should ever be used.

[craggy forge]

raid and legendary missions?

[onyx sage]

incursion

not even legendary, fights don't last that long

[craggy forge]

ye, that's why I want to swap striker chest to something else, just not sure what, sokolov was my bet

[onyx sage]

sokolov would be it

[subtle bluff]

Ceska should work too

[inner rock]

interesting choice of items

[onyx sage]

it doesn't even have ninjabike wtf

how could it be meta without ninjabike!!!11

[hexed steppe]

Self nerf active

[onyx sage]

jokes but wtf is this 26k doing

[hexed steppe]

Og got bored of good builds

Kinda funny using lud with all the skilltiers

[inner rock]

hes not even expertise grinding those

its all rank 10, even the Lud

[fair dragon]

That random Hana-U rainbow gear piece

[modern night]

The only logical conclusion is it’s a mule if not help that man

[astral kraken]

i mean... if they run around only shooting their spec weapon i'll allow it

[inner rock]

it was his main character with 10k hrs

[astral kraken]

think of it like this. is it worth having a free unbreakable talent at the cost of slightly more enemy hp

also you didn't screenshot the skills

[inner rock]

he was just using the bulletking

[onyx sage]

kestrel, as much as i'm trying to be open minded, you're reading too much into it 💀

[inner rock]

he had a drone but he didnt use it not once

[astral kraken]

i see value in all things

[inner rock]

so idek

[astral kraken]

except foundry bulwark. that's my limit.

[subtle bluff]

Lies. You didn't see the value of coming back discord till today.

[astral kraken]

touche

[astral kraken]

that's actually sexy lol

[inner rock]

having a stroke looking at that

[astral kraken]

I love it so much. It's like an art installation.

It says so much with so little

[subtle bluff]

Especially in a Leggo

[astral kraken]

ESPECIALLY in a leggo

[onyx sage]

i made it to take advantage of all the brands ninjabike can buff here

[astral kraken]

should have went turret drone :/

[onyx sage]

the icing on the cake is my bro's replies

[subtle bluff]

Is he alive?

[steady bough]

How’s this looking? I was told my backpack wasn’t too good. Trying to get better.

[quartz ermine]

decent

[subtle bluff]

If anything the kneelpads aren't great unless you're good at staying at on point for the whole fight.

[steady bough]

Yeah I’m probably not the best at staying still. Try to work on it lol. I was just looking for a little extra armor/health

[subtle bluff]

If you're good at using nego go coyote

[steady bough]

Idk if I’m good but I use it lol

I try to anyway 😂

[subtle bluff]

Striker maybe better for you

[river plank]

Really want to make a solo build revolving around either the Apartment or emeline's guard. Can I get some gear set recommendations?

Particularly a run and gun type of build

[subtle bluff]

MPX as a base gun isn't great.

[inner rock]

i wish breakpoint was better

maybe it can be decent with m1a? anyone tried

[rustic pendant]

Is it worth building around shrapnel traps and if so any advice on how to do it

[rustic pendant]

Got it thx

They looked so neat. Sad to hear

[craggy forge]

To make the build work with all red cores, u still need to have hazard protect y?

[urban latch]

It's ideal without haz pro

[craggy forge]

wait, it's ideal to have no haz pro?

[onyx sage]

yeah lol

[urban latch]

Yes

It's not that you want zero, it's just not worth the tradeoff for crit

[craggy forge]

that's confusing saying that it's not worth the tradeoff for crit, but you don't want 0? Doesn't that mean, that you should tradeoff for crit at least 1-2 times?

[old kettle]

im not quite sure im fully understanding how hotshot builds work. im pretty sure i have everything in place but how to you get things going when every single enemy suddenly has helmets after you get your first HH kill

[urban latch]

I was just trying to clairify its not your goal to have 0% haz pro. Its just that running haz pro with it is a trap. If your running the backfire in the right situation you won't bleed after a few reloads and/or when you reach max stacks. If your finding yourself constantly bleeding then it worth just running another gun instead of putting on haz pro.

[onyx sage]

tldr there are ways to mitigate the bleed other than using hazpro

[astral kraken]

every single enemy doesn't have helmets though. find one that doesn't and start there. ideally a red one.

you can also ditch hotshot and run a high-end headhunter. with dodge city and d50/regulus.

chunga comes out, whip out your pocket nuke, break the helmet, finish with rifle

use the foam skill to glue down annoying helmeted enemies and just unload into their face

oh and don't forget your spec weapon. that'll crack things too.

[quartz ermine]

@craggy forge "Perfectly balanced, as all things should be"

[river plank]

What about the bangee

[subtle bluff]

very mid both of these SMG got nerfed 2 season ago.

[river plank]

Oh ok, I'm lvl 39 and just found I'm pretty good with the Apartment, bangee, and emeline's guard so was just thinking of making a build around one of those. What would you suggest as a SMG for a primary

[subtle bluff]

Oh don't worry about builds till your 40 anyways.

SMG9 and Vectors

[river plank]

Yes I'm not far off so was just trying to figure out which direction I want to go in once I hit 40

[subtle bluff]

Wait. SHD 39 or Lvl 39?

[river plank]

Thinking of trying to farm for hunter's fury as my gear set

Lvl 39

[rare leaf]

Can you make a measured assembly a damage build to compete in PVP? 🤣

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages > GDoc> Build Hub

[rustic pendant]

For a shield build do I want most of my core attributes to be armor or skill tier. I’m using artificer hive and crusader sheild in case that matters

[urban latch]

sure, just go hunting for some afk players

[urban latch]

both increase the shield equally. Its ultimately preference how you balance your cores at that point, assuming your running a typical type of dps build with it

[rare leaf]

The backpack perk allows you to disable enemy skills after 1 second.
Thought that be great in pvp where they use skills all the time 🤣

[rustic pendant]

I was running it with the set bonus of foundry bulwark for maximum tank then dumping all sub stats into crit chance is that still good?

[subtle bluff]

So be a sitting duck instead?

[subtle bluff]

No. You’re welcome to do it but it’s very low on damage. You’ll hit a wall eventually or just take forever to clear content.

[rustic pendant]

Ahhh ok. What set effect should I run then?

[urban latch]

is this just like a general use build? I really wouldnt use foundry in that case, go with something like hunters fury. Really the only case foundry is semi useful is as a pure tank role in IH, and even there its not exactly the min/max build, its just the easy setup to make for a tank

[rustic pendant]

Yeah just general use. Now that I have read hunters fury that looks a lot better

Then my weapons are AR and shotgun should I switch to a smg to get the most out of the set bonus or stick with the ar

[urban latch]

Up you to. Smgs are very strong in general if your good at close range combat. It can be nice to have an AR as a secondary even if it's not ideal just so you have an option for long range.

[rustic pendant]

Ok thx. That info will be very helpful

[onyx sage]

they have to be deployable skills (decoy, hive, turret etc.) things like sticky bomb or foam won't get affected at all

[rare leaf]

Works with drones, so shield drones are knocked down.

[onyx sage]

yeah but like that's it

you have no damage otherwise

[rare leaf]

Is there a way you can make the build a damage dealing build is my question 🤣

[onyx sage]

no because 4 pieces of such a build has no bonus for damage

those are the measured assembly pieces

when you go against anyone running meta in there you're lacking a huge chunk of damage

[jaunty igloo]

bruh anyone else got the pistol directive active for some reason even tho it isnt even an option?

[onyx sage]

i think this should be obvious

[subtle bluff]

um

[jaunty igloo]

wrong channel oops

but still

[onyx sage]

it's a bug, i think everyone has it

[rare leaf]

Csnt you farm parts with red bits? And just change the core to red? 🤣

[onyx sage]

yeah but you can do that for any piece, especially ones that give set bonuses for damage

so why do that for measured assembly?

[rare leaf]

Fair enough

[astral kraken]

one way to do it: if your goal is to delete things by shooting them then start with a dps build (striker, negotiator's, high-end, hunters fury, whatever). if you die too much add 1, 2, or 3 blue cores until you stop dying as much. then practice not getting shot so much. then start removing blue cores and feel the power.

also each set is meant to be played a certain way. pick one based on the playstyle you like.

[novel oak]

Hello, I'm a returning player, didn't played in years and completely forgot what build I was going for in the game, what I have, what I should go for etc. Anyone could help to guide me a bit to catch up on how are things today ?

[jaunty igloo]

is the oxidiser chem launcher good? I cant figure out whether its worth using

[onyx sage]

it's only worth using in speedruns to kill spawns before they rush out the door

and also kill remote, stationary targets

basically if the things you want to kill are forced to stand still, it is a good option, but you might guess that these situations are rather few and far between. they do exist though, and oxi is the best for these

for example, summit f100 hunters' best strat is using oxi, you dump oxi before they spawn, OC, then spawn them. they're forced to spawn in those specific locations and your oxi bursts them down instantly.

another example is the incursion turrets at the beginning. it's way easier to kill them with oxi because the projectiles arch downwards and lets you hit them from the start position

[subtle bluff]

I have some weird ass support (don't ask for build) healing Oxi to get them out of cover cluster mine thingy... This was with my team and we were having fun.

[astral kraken]

build?

[onyx sage]

build pls

[subtle bluff]

HW, Everyday, Axle

you ppl

[candid steppe]

Just got back onto d2 after like a year off, what’s the build situation like at the minute? Is there anything that’s running the game and a must have?

[subtle bluff]

Stuff stuff pretty much. Nothing too much has changed

[hearty owl]

Yeah nothing has changed at all in the last year, maybe two years.

#BuildDiversity

[candid steppe]

Ahhh fair enough, what’s the new dlc like? Heard there’s also a new exotic weapon?

[verbal gust]

I havnt seen a 13% pfe mod in like forever

[somber kayak]

primary use for it is pretty niche to generate specialized ammo, not really a build for it tbh

[onyx sage]

^

[somber kayak]

if you want to meme around for sure 😛

[hasty sluice]

Chat what would we say is the fastest build for speed running hard/chall missions? Doing the "do mission 10 times" merits

lady death + speed kneepads?

or would it be ninjabike for the reload?

[onyx sage]

eclipse fire

lady death if you want to be extra speedy

[hasty sluice]

ooh true forgot about that. Its just firestarter right?

[hasty sluice]

also is EP backpack used? I dont use the set offten

[onyx sage]

firestarter + fire sticky

[onyx sage]

yes, eclipse bp is best

[hasty sluice]

this is what I made

I will eat the fps drop due to lack of better kneepads

[cinder wedge]

what is that grip :(

[subtle bluff]

The exotics looks of some of the stuff is wild.

[violet juniper]

uh... Why Lady Death?

[onyx sage]

to run faster from bullet kills

[strong cave]

Maybe bro wants to move away from the mathematically good weapons

It's funny how the tables turned

[versed summit]

Tbf it’s good mathematically

[onyx sage]

you're not always dead set on making the fire stronger if you're after just the record

[versed summit]

It’s not as good in practice

[onyx sage]

it's used in hard difficulty speedruns

which he asked about

[violet juniper]

Dude I love Lady Death

it's just.. why on eclipse? Why on a skill build? Why on a build with nothing that compliments it

[subtle bluff]

I mean anytime you to be able to go fast the answer most of the time is lady death.

[violet juniper]

Now that's an answer. It do go fast

[onyx sage]

the idea is you can sneak in a few bullet kills or two with it

fire is still the main damage here but if you want to go fast you cannot beat lady death

[strong cave]

Acosta's kneepads: 😥

[onyx sage]

in practice it is also proven, as this same build is used for hard WRs

just make sure to NEVER EVER expertise fire chem

[strong cave]

Now do it in Legendary WR's

[strong cave]

Boosts fire damage yeah?

[onyx sage]

it boosts the initial explosion

which makes it so that they die before ever getting fire afflicted = no fire spread

[strong cave]

Which can lead to wasted ammo. I may have it expertised. I don't plan on doing any speedruns for WRs anyways. I leave that to the nerds

[onyx sage]

yeah if you do want to do that and you accidentally have it expertised... your account is basically bricked

[strong cave]

Would using fire sticky work better for reds then use fire chem for purples if so?

[onyx sage]

yeah fire sticky doesn't care about it because it gives fire immediately

[strong cave]

Wouldn't that be basically a workaround if you do have expertise fire chem?

[subtle bluff]

Funny things.. Doing too much isn't helpful sometimes for speeds.

For mission speeds you want EP to work.

[onyx sage]

yeah but fire sticky cooldown is a problem

you have a lot more chem than sticky

[strong cave]

That's true on that. Don't murder me, but fire turret or fire seeker?

I'm just spitballing ideas in case of expertise chem

[onyx sage]

nothing beats fire chem cooldown sadly

a possible option is to go down in skill tier but it hurts your charge count

[strong cave]

Dropping a skill tier seems like it would be viable honestly

[onyx sage]

yeah that's what you gotta do

[kindred mango]

Pretty much what I use for Countdown, except Scorpio instead of Lady Death (what?) and running Electrique bag with Opportunistic. Survival spec

[versed summit]

Well this one is for speedrunning hard, so a lil different

[kindred mango]

ahhh nevermind. EP bag then

I do like the snow machine tech

[hasty sluice]

its not tech its just I dont have any other electric kneepads lol.

[kindred mango]

drip tech

[hasty sluice]

fair lol

[hasty sluice]

would this build hypothetically work?

[tranquil delta]

Do I need this much hazpro? Can I swap any of them for crit dmg safely?

[subtle bluff]

On hard maybe.

[hasty sluice]

for what reason do you need has pro?

[versed summit]

Not well

[subtle bluff]

I can understanding want to put blue core but that much hazpro

[shy willow]

@slow island

[violet juniper]

safely? You don't need any hazpro

[versed summit]

You really don’t need any hazpro.

The modifiers help quite a bit, and even with modifiers off and no hazpro it’s more than capable for heroic content.

I’d at least skip the hard to get Yaahl chest.

[ionic marlin]

how effective is having 4 armor regen attributes when using an IA build?

[shy willow]

If you're doing regen the bulk of it will come from brand bonuses, regen sub attributes are pretty bad on their own

[slow geyser]

hi, im new shd lvl 120,,, what is the best build i can use to carry my newbie friend in mission etc .. hearthbreaker?

[vestal ibex]

For perspective, on a full red build 2 PC ceska, three bleed resist mods, Gunner for some AOK, and the modifier that gives you 7.5 haz per blue killed you'll be immune to bleed and be able to easily survive bleeds if and when you don't have blue kills to make you immune.

[solar sable]

Strikers carries like nothing is there

There are other builds like Headhunter (Hotshot) that cut through content like if you were cutting warm butter

[vestal ibex]

Cutting thru air tbh

[hexed steppe]

just use jammer pulse with glass and ep bag

[onyx sage]

woahhhh is that a reference?????

[hexed steppe]

its an option if firestarter already jacked up

[dreamy valve]

https://youtu.be/oFRbZJXjWIA?si=-VRLUScDy2l77Cdk

[hexed steppe]

i was expecting something about how armor is superior to damage

[gilded minnow]

Hey everyone haven’t played in years. Just got back on a month before the new DLC dropped. I was wondering if I can get any advice on how to build a pestilence build for conflict. Right now I have a shiny monkey,Future initiative healer biuld that I use, but I would like to have a dps just for fun.

[analog raptor]

I'm running 6 blue core striker and HazPro as secondaries with Backfire and still get 1,5Mil when stacks show up

[vestal ibex]

idk if that math checks out.

[hazy steeple]

@subtle bluff Sorry, but you've got to get someone else to post that.

channel rules and all that.

[subtle bluff]

K

[hazy steeple]

Here, I got ya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6vJhXTo0lI

I will say that it'd be useful if you linked the exact builds in the description of the video.

[subtle bluff]

Ya. It's bad it's I meant to do that.

[vestal ibex]

I'm just saying 1.5 mil crits on a full blue isn't happening unless you've got other team buffs or something.

[next swallow]

might mean DPS rather than crits

[urban latch]

shouldnt there be some nuance when its a video relavant to the conversation? like what is the difference if someone else just posts it instead...

[analog raptor]

it is happening actually, even got up to 2mil

[vestal ibex]

This in countdown?

[analog raptor]

yes

[vestal ibex]

Well there ya go it all makes sense.

So again you can't do what you claimed.

[subtle bluff]

People very rarely post their dps numbers

[analog raptor]

got the same dmg in summit legendary

[vestal ibex]

UNLESS you get a TON of buffs.

[analog raptor]

alone

[next swallow]

goofy

[subtle bluff]

Striker chest?

[subtle bluff]

Don't disagree it's a more reliable number

[vestal ibex]

idk if striker chest would even hit that.

Well striker chest will hit about 2 mil solo on a full red.

[analog raptor]

I wear striker chest right now with memento but I'm thinking to change it for obliterate. might be faster to get higher numbers than trying to reach 200 stacks

[hazy steeple]

It's a hard rule that we have to follow, we've had this issue for years now.
What is relevant is a vague concept a lot of the time, and it's easier on everyone if there's a blanket rule.
Flawed or not, it's what we deal with. Someone else is always there to post it.

[subtle bluff]

Tracks mine is 1.4m with one blue

[vestal ibex]

From incursion I know that you'll hit upwards of 2 mil with a couple team buffs.

I think 2.3-2.4 with them.

[subtle bluff]

Can I forward it from another discord? It's a pita to upload every time.

[vestal ibex]

Swap those to all blue and naw ain't no way.

[urban latch]

you'll get over 2m still with no FI though, just basic things like coyotes and spec buffs

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but to claim solo 2 mil on full blue and haz pro...

[urban latch]

obviously not all blue with haz though

[subtle bluff]

I'm not home but I have a run that bleed immune with a run.

[hazy steeple]

@subtle bluff The issue is more that it links to your own channel, hence the rule break.
I know, I know. It's dumb.

[vestal ibex]

I also don't think it's worth the effort to farm out a striker set with haz to optimize and roll a blue core but eh it's your time.

[hazy steeple]

What else are you doing ingame?

[vestal ibex]

Doing things I find fun.

[hazy steeple]

I've been at the Striker Mat cap for like, 3 years. Might as well spend them on something.

[urban latch]

I mean its rule 4, its not written as a hard rule, its just chosen to be interpreted like that

[subtle bluff]

I understand the build and why people want it. But it's just like last season modifiers once it's gonna you're gonna cry.

[vestal ibex]

Grinding the crafting bench is less than fun.

[next swallow]

to be fair is there really any build thats season proof?

[vestal ibex]

bu bu but my OC shield!!

[subtle bluff]

I don't understand why everyone is going hazpro immune vs just bleed immune.

[vestal ibex]

The one I posted is.

[hazy steeple]

We don't write the rules, we just have to enforce them.
@urban latch if you wanted to help, you could steal the upload (with permission) and Chow can link yours.

[subtle bluff]

Don't give out my tech!

[hazy steeple]

Put their name in the title, fill yours boots.
As long as it's not your own channel, we good.

[vestal ibex]

I just feel bad for new players making it as their first build.

[next swallow]

i just returned 3 weeks ago from basically release and its my first build since so i mean

[vestal ibex]

It's just a high effort farm for less returns than you think.

[ionic marlin]

is WH helpful for pistol builds or not so much?

[vestal ibex]

Walker harris?

[ionic marlin]

no weapon handling

[vestal ibex]

Ah, yeah it makes more sense and helps you connect shots and reload faster.

Plus crit damage is additive with HS.

[shy willow]

Some guy yesterday was saying he was hitting 100 percent chc 400+ chd💀

[hazy steeple]

@ionic marlin Just to clarify: 1% Weapon Handling in div2 is 1% in Stability/Accuracy/Reload & Swap speed.

[ionic marlin]

right, I'm trying to figure out what to put for the 2nd sub attribute for my IA build

[hazy steeple]

@shy willow Now that's a diamond(back) of a build, right there!

[shy willow]

If you're going for headshot then default second choice is weapon handling

[vestal ibex]

I mean you can get like 200 CHD from the dumb improvised set thing and modifiers probably. It's be worse than other options cause all the reasons you already know but eh.

[shy willow]

Next season it'll be lady death mag size builds or something

[vestal ibex]

People make builds just to hit funny numbers regardless if it's good or not.

I'm waiting for the day when everyone uses nemesis just cause it hits for 60 mil so easy.... Just waiting....

[shy willow]

Too much skill required 🚨

[next swallow]

fr. i just wanna point and hit r2. dont wanna have to aim for the head or do some elaborate setup

[hazy steeple]

Just use EP, then you don't even need to aim.

[next swallow]

tf is EP

lmao

[hazy steeple]

On kill:
> Spread status effects of that enemy to all enemies within 10m
> Refresh 50% of status effect durations"```

[next swallow]

i still dont know what EP stands for

[hazy steeple]

and yes, it works on Foam. For some reason.

[vestal ibex]

eclipse protocol

[shy willow]

Chem launcher no hitscan too elaborate trash build

[vestal ibex]

Sticky is hit scan tho...

[next swallow]

ah ty

[hazy steeple]

@shy willow Pfft, who uses launchers.
foam nades.

[shy willow]

Better hit the gym agents

[hazy steeple]

Throw Mad Bomber on with it and you can kamikazee your way to (death) victory.

[vestal ibex]

Gotta get the Bread

[shy willow]

Have to manually detonate too many steps

[vestal ibex]

I'd go higher, like 55 for nego tbh

You want to crit as much as possible and unless you review footage or keep an eye on coyotes buff either 50-55% would net you 60% or over cap.

Anyone know how this seaons modifiers work with the over cap crit stuff? Like does that over cap only work then you do T thing or some some funk stuff actually bypass it or anything?

Well as long as you understand that negos effect is transferring damage to marked targets on crit and without being at crit cap you are just doing less then yeah.

[young notch]

would changing from 4 reds to 6 but losing vigilance in favour of a surviability perk keep my dmg relatively the same

[shy willow]

Probably got something to do with assault link

[shy willow]

No

Vigilance is TWD which is a separate multiplier from the WD you get from red cores

[vestal ibex]

But is it relatively the same? @young notch what's the build you are wanting to do this on?

[young notch]

hunters fury. really im running a bruiser variation and i dont like playing in cover so i figured if im not getting much out of it unless im engaging the fight or chain ccing

[vestal ibex]

I mean keep the two blues, put a crusader on and just push them.

[young notch]

yeah i already do that and its fun but i wanna try some different variations then just straight meta, like idk banshee pulse

and i assume the dmg is muiltiplicative from the pulse

[vestal ibex]

I mean tbh these are all low impact changes so just start trying stuff until you find something you like.

[vestal ibex]

Damage from pulse?

[young notch]

doesnt banshee increase the % dmg taken from a mob pulsed with it? or am i tripping and reading it wrong

[onyx sage]

it's an overcharge effect, your pulse needs to be overcharged

[vestal ibex]

Might be reading the weakness exploit.

As our resident Average Player noted this is only during OC.

[buoyant perch]

would be funny if the catalyst turns out to be TWD

[young notch]

probably just run momento then or slot in armor on kill then idk

oh well cest le vie

[tranquil delta]

Im confused when people say "blue cores" I assume it means their core stat on the piece is blue, but which blue? Armor?

[vestal ibex]

Core is core, attributes are the minor stats.

[tranquil delta]

Yea but isn't there multiple blue cores?

[vestal ibex]

Outside of memento and NBB items typically have 1 core.

Even a summary that shows your items cores and attributes.

Core attributes on the left, and your minor attributes on the right.

[tranquil delta]

No I mean what stats can be considered a "blue" core? Like if someone says "I have a blue core on that piece" I realize that means they have a defensive blue core on it, but which stat?

[vestal ibex]

idk that's typically less important tbh, the way builds work in this game it should be obvious at a glance once you've learned enough about builds.

[tranquil delta]

So... I stoopi 😦

😭

[vestal ibex]

Like if you slap an image of a "haz pro backfire build" and it has blue minors it's gonna be haz protection and any that aren't are gonna be CHC/CHD.

[tranquil delta]

Whats the most common stat you could assume when someone says blue core? Armor?

[vestal ibex]

Blue core means armor.

If I say a red core build the cores would be red aka weapon damage.

Red core=weapon damage
Blue core=armor
Skill build=skill tiers

As for minor attributes it's typical to go the way it should but if you make a funk hybrid build people usually specify so it's known.

[tranquil delta]

Yea when people say blue cores I always am like "wHaT sTaTSsss!?" Because in my mind armor regen is good but so is health yet armor is good to and I wanna survive splosions and this that this rips face off but LOGICALLY it seems like when they say blue core it usually means just straight armor on the core stat

[novel oak]

Hello, I'm a returning player, didn't played in years and completely forgot what build I was going for in the game, what I have, what I should go for etc. Anyone could help to guide me a bit to catch up on how are things today ?

[tranquil wave]

Almost perfect rolls smh, well it works with full haz in pvp but meh still, decent item to get, but bad to use lol

[vestal ibex]

Pinned in this channel is a spread sheet, Hub(builds) tab is where you wanna be.

There is also a ton of information on exotics and where to get them as well as tons of info if you wanna read up.

[novel oak]

Well it's how I found this discord XD
All the builds seem for raiding and as I play mostly solo didn't saw any builds mute oriented for that

That's why I was kinda asking for help ^^'

[vestal ibex]

Very few of those builds are there for raiding tho.

Like other than the two lines for IH tanks all the rest are just normal builds.

[novel oak]

Really ? from the description it sounded like it was for raiding O.o I'm really confused x.x

[hazy steeple]

Raids in div2 are not really a regular endgame activity, unless you're a particularly big fan of them.

Those builds are basically "heroic" tier, how effectively they work in different content depends mostly on you and your team.

[vestal ibex]

Which one are you talking about then?

[novel oak]

I'm normally more tank oriented and I guess that's what my current build is oriented with, and the 2 tanks I saw were mostly for "Iron Horse" from my understanding

[vestal ibex]

Oh yeah tanks aren't really that good in this game. I mean in solo heroic anything will work so it doesn't matter too much.

[novel oak]

Is there a more "everything" solo build you could recommend ?

[vestal ibex]

Well there is not really an everything build in this game. You have X amount of budget to spread three ways and you'll never peak in all three.

[subtle bluff]

Both of them do a very specific job and both use a specific build.

[vestal ibex]

That aside there are builds that will trade one for the other and once you start doing that it's preference but some things do just make more sense.

I know a ton about builds but to be 100% honest outside of raid builds specific for tanking in that raid I have 0 blue cores on any of my gear, in fact my non raid character has 0 items with a blue core outside of maybe a setup. I'm probably not the best to suggest things.

[novel oak]

What do you mean by budget ? I thought you meant the shd point you can put but there's 4 selections so not sure it's what you mean :/

[novel oak]

By blue core you mean the core attribute of an item ?

[vestal ibex]

When you build a build you've got 6 slots with 1 core(possibly up to 1 of each on a couple exoitc backpacks) and 1 or 2 attributes on those 6 items. That's it, there is no more or less. Once you put 6 items on and roll around cores and attributes you don't have anymore to spend right?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah.

[novel oak]

Ok so you can have 6 cores as you have 6 items and each have their core and attributes. That limit is what you mentioned as budget ?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah, so you want more sustainability you need to trade damage for it or the other way around.

[novel oak]

So I guess from having all blue cores and attributes are blue, I guess my build was going for a tank then

[vestal ibex]

This is all tank no bite, and 5 pc gear set.

Foundry is such an odd set, you need to take damage to heal at a diminishing return.

[novel oak]

I guess maybe it was to be always on shield and heal the shield ? No idea tbh it was so far away ^^'

[vestal ibex]

I'd suggest you start with a heartbearker build tbh

It starts blue core, gives you bonus armor as you stack to get more damage, and once you get comfy and feel good you can roll away blue cores for red ones gaining more damage.

[novel oak]

So this build ?

[vestal ibex]

Cause in this game that which is dead does no damage is your best bet but game knowledge and builds facilitate that.

[hazy steeple]

"the best CC is them being a corpse"

[vestal ibex]

Bro knows markdowns nice. Yep that's it.

Just be aware that a significant amount of damage will come from your CHC/CHD so all of your minor attributes/mods and even brandsets are gonna focus on that.

[novel oak]

Don't like massive links so Markdown helps without having to use a random link shorter xD

[hazy steeple]

Discord making them easier to work with was a good change.
Just copy then highlight, boom, insta-markdown.

[novel oak]

What are CHC and CHD ? ^^'

[vestal ibex]

Crit hit chance and crit hit damage

[novel oak]

Oh ok

[vestal ibex]

I do like [markdowns](#td2-build-advice message) can have some fun with them.

[novel oak]

Well time to see how to get heartbreaker stuff then xD

Last question for now, what do you suggest I should go for here ? ^^'

[vestal ibex]

Nothing, you should consider those a time saver imo. So if you need it use it to save yourself time.

[novel oak]

But I can't unlock other stuff while I don't select one here :/ Or am I confused again ? ^^'

[vestal ibex]

You also never want to hit max on any of those and if you do you should donate some of those materials to expertising an item

[vestal ibex]

Those salvage points are a bank. You don't need to spend them.

[novel oak]

Oh I see

Well maintenance in 16 minutes, guess I'll have time to read for when it's done haha thank you for all the help !

[vestal ibex]

Np, good luck with the building.

[tranquil wave]

If you got plenty of SHD levels, max everything to the top so you don't need to worry what you need when you optimize stuff. If you don't have many SHD levels, think what are you going for. Either it's maxing your specific pieces with expertise or just optimizing stuff laying around. If neither - just keep it, they'll come in handy sooner or later

Don't max out your e-credits, 34.5K of it lasts plenty of time

[strong cave]

As a high shd player with 14.5k levels, hitting the max is never exactly a good idea. The reason being is that completing content already gives you materials. Having it drop in the world and not being able to pick any of it up is a huge waste. Being near the cap is good, in which your point stands. Being overcapped/at cap is a big waste for any new materials that drop. I try to stay within a few hundred materials under cap (with the exception of shd recal and field recon)

[tranquil wave]

Being near the cap*, yea, should've wrote that instead haha.

[solar berry]

Being 75% on rss is good stand

Leave room for more and still have enough room to spend them as well

[arctic thunder]

So I'm a newish (200shd) player, currently rocking the standard striker coyote ceska gunner with Elmo/lefty. I like high difficulty content and solo heroic is np. But solo legendary... I get destroyed. Are there better builds for solo legendary? Or should I just try to tweak the setup a bit for more survivability? (1-2 blue cores, swap obliterate, maybe pfe instead of crit mod). Or should I just not bother yet because shd lvl this low is too much of a handicap?

[loud pine]

the shd level wont do you any favours but legendary is mostly enemy priority and positiining

[arctic thunder]

yeah i went for DUA solo first, made it to the big guys in the hallways after a few tries. Outside is pretty hell with those 3 bots and the nade guys ^^ It just feels like i die SUPER easily. I wanna try to ditch obliterate (20% twd is that all that much really compared to the twd we have?) for something that helps in panic spots, maybe unbreakable or even vanguard? (5s shield immunity sounds nice)

[raw marlin]

bro

division 2 i need play

is game broken

[hearty owl]

What other TWD do you have on that build

[raw marlin]

no think

im leave bye

[hearty owl]

goodbye!

[arctic thunder]

wait i might have been wrong in my assumption of how TWD works lol. I thought its the same as the WD we get from strikers stacks etc.

[native spindle]

I’m looking to make a AR build what gear should I target

[arctic thunder]

checks out on me not doing proper research about obli

[hearty owl]

Yeah those are separate. Obliterate should be the only TWD source. Why not just run Striker chest too tho?

[arctic thunder]

Didn't consider it due to my low dps uptime already with how hard and fast the AI on Legendary hit back, but i didn't pay attention how my stacks looked. I would definitely take chest into non-solo content tho. Also i think i need to ditch lefty, never use the nade talent ^^ look for a better standard acs12

[hazy hull]

I'm thinking of using catalyst or Vile with ongoing directive and sadist

Which mask would work better for this

Cause thinking I switch out fox pray for the mask

[patent fossil]

Catalyst or coyotes

[hazy hull]

Ok

[patent fossil]

Vile damage is really low if you haven't specced into status effects and expl damage

[hazy hull]

Just was thinking with riot foam bleeding and EMP catalyst or Vile might make the build very good

[astral kraken]

you need more damage not less. run glass cannon until you max out your watch.

sacrifice chest, gift backpack, rest striker

[verbal gust]

Well if you like dying. My god lol

[solar berry]

Vile mask is viable on EP, than OD

[astral kraken]

in leg dua its easy not to get hit

[verbal gust]

Just send all the noobs to the wolves why don’t ya hahaha

[solar berry]

Obliterate is good counter if you land a lot of crits

[astral kraken]

best way to learn 😄

[verbal gust]

True this catalyst mask is going to break the game or no?

[patent fossil]

Soulslike Division

[astral kraken]

here look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_aLlg67Nag

ignore the old modifiers, just focus on the positioning

that trash can is prime real estate baby

[verbal gust]

Never thought of it that way hahaha

[verbal gust]

All hail the can

[astral kraken]

DAMNIT i miss running fast

[verbal gust]

When did we ever run fast?

[astral kraken]

old modifiers

[verbal gust]

Ah ok. Personally I can’t wait to try the catalyst mask idk what build is going to be better strikers w backfire or OD w blue screen

[hazy hull]

Me being 500 running a glass tank on legendary Strongholds

[astral kraken]

ill just wait until ikia figures it out

[hazy hull]

It seriously turns into a game of dodgerolls

[urban latch]

https://youtu.be/b6G6MBWnemU?si=KNkIo3iRBI0Zd2nA

The shield peaking tips are outdated now, but there's still a lot of good info in here for you

[astral kraken]

we're def missing post shield peek leg guides for the new players

esp in dua there are so many spots where you just dont get hit if you peek it right and not for too long

[arctic thunder]

cheers for the tips, if anything running GC will teach me to not get hit i guess 😂 More dmg actually sounds useful tho, take out the annoying stuff faster. I like the premise of the sac/gift combo, lets see how squishy i feel then lol.

[urban latch]

We need an updated @onyx sage guide

[strong cave]

Frequent DZ Player/Conflict player here,

If you peek a specific angle correctly, you can fully cover your body and have your gun go completely thru a wall. While still being able to hit a target. It's a scummy tactic in PvP but it's so useful in PvE. Be warned the AI can still hit you. And also be warned it's very specific angles as well so it doesn't always work

[astral kraken]

pretty sure it's the most general purpose dps you can get out of striker. for peeking...

• use tall cover and peek around the side of things, never peek above short cover
• don't peek for too long. its good to have 2+ places to peek from and alternate. it confuses the npcs
• use a decoy to take aggro off of you, it's really really reeeally good for that
• when you hit health gate (1 hp) you are invulnerable for a bit. when that happens chill for 30 sec

[astral kraken]

yep this

i actually tried conflict again recently and enjoyed it. i just need to put together more builds because i need to hard counter other builds. can't go in with just one thing i think.

like i was doing good with my blue bighorn regen nonsense until some goofy dude with an iron lung kept setting me on fire LOL

very underrated part of the game but i can understand why

[glacial wedge]

So uh with catalyst is fixed, is it good to run it with Hunter's Fury set, OD set, and Striker set?

[arctic thunder]

I've had some pretty weird angles yeah lol, especially with toggling zoom and standing close but not quite next to a large Corner

[strong cave]

Honestly I wouldn't use it on a PvE build. I fail to see where the mask benefits you any more than the optimal setups we have now. It's more of a PVP item if anything, and it looks like it's gonna favor EMP Pulse

[hazy hull]

Do directives increase drop chance or no

[hexed steppe]

Increase xp and target loot drop chance

[eager viper]

What a decent smg for a HF build that’s not meta. Just put together a simple HF setup using intimidate chest and bloodsucker BP. Been using the chatterbox

[glacial wedge]

Dmg wise, yea not so beneficial, its more like a hybrid build

[glacial wedge]

Lady death, or purist

[eager viper]

Nice. Got both of those. Will try them out

[strong cave]

Hybrid builds are proven to be mediocre. They're basically like Tank/skill/DPS builds but more towards other areas. Going for hybrids are typically frowned upon because of the fact you're trying to branch all over as opposed to focusing on one thing. Ninjabike builds are a perfect example of this. The only use I can see with Catalyst is in PvP to counter Iron Lung/Fire Status/Status abuse WITHOUT needing hazpro. Or a booster hive. The temp damage you get is based off Status Effects. At that rate just go with Intimidate/Ad Rush and use a booster hive or hazpro

[strong cave]

SMG-9 hits good. Best in slot for SMGs now. lady death still holds up, you can go with Dark Winter or any SMG with killer. Avoid the CCMG Banshee or the p90. MP7 is sorta viable, still holds up but not the best choice. Your options are fairly limited sadly

[eager viper]

Used the mp7 with killer. Wasn’t liking it

[strong cave]

They nerfed it recently, which was a huge L. Considering it got a buff during Project Resolve

[hazy hull]

I reckon the damage increase bonus armour and reload benefits of catalyst will be useful in PVE

[verbal gust]

2 words Perfect trauma

[strong cave]

Yeah but it's not constant

[strong cave]

Still has a cooldown and applies to only 1 enemy per proc. Shoot 1 in the body, bleed is locked. Shoot another in the head, blind is locked

[hazy hull]

Especially Red core OD getting the additional armour and damage boost especially if you're using something like sadist to keep popping bleed damage

[strong cave]

At that rate just go unstoppable force. You'll get 25%

Or vigi

[hazy hull]

Plus it's dealing and receiving status effects so even tossing out an emp gets you stacks and or riot foam will cause insane armour bonuses and damage increases

[strong cave]

Sure, status helps OD, but that 10% or 12% ain't doing much unless you fully roll for status effects

[verbal gust]

I made that build yesterday the jack of all trades build u mentioned and I won a 1v3 in the dz btw

[strong cave]

The one with Vigi and unbreakable? With EB?

[verbal gust]

Yaaaaa

[strong cave]

Old faithful never disappoints 🤠😚 glad you like it

[glacial wedge]

I got something in my mind, though its more of survivability, would running ad rush and intimidate + catalyst with HF set is fun to use for pve?

[strong cave]

Explain how you're gonna use 2 talents and an exotic mask without passing up 4pc Hunters fury

It simply won't work

[glacial wedge]

Oh shit, i didnt even realize that xD sorry for bad thoughts

[strong cave]

Hunters fury is basically locked to 4pc HF + 2 high end pieces OR 4pc HF + 1 high end + memento

Don't even dare trying to use Ninjabike + 3pc HF + 2 Brazos + Chatterbox. Damage output is worse than just using Memento

[glacial wedge]

😂😂😂 nah i wouldn't use that backpack

[strong cave]

😂😂😂

Catalyst is a PvP item. I will live and die on this hill

[glacial wedge]

While its good having slot got fulfilled, the output is not so good

[strong cave]

SMGs are just in a bad spot rn, even with Hunters fury. There's only 3 decent ones, and that's the SMG-9, Dark Winter and Lady Death. I mean, Ouro is still good but at that rate just go Chatterbox bc 5 stacks is faster than Ouro and you waste less ammo

[glacial wedge]

100% agree with you on that

[strong cave]

Catalyst won't slot well on any SMG build because passing up any chest/backpack talents is a direct nerf. Coyote is usually preferred bc crit damage is where SMGs gets the best output due to their range and high CHC built in

[kindred mango]

Purist has felt pretty good so far but that limits you on the skills

[strong cave]

^^ this

[verbal gust]

But ar and lmg meta is good for catalyst because they barely got touched hence catalyst being bis?

Coyotes is still good but man that burn in conflict really messes me up

[glacial wedge]

Yea, fun to use xD

[kindred mango]

Dark Winter is my choice I think if you’re gonna smg HF

[glacial wedge]

Yep, either DW or Purist

[strong cave]

With it being rolled to hazpro and status effects, I see this as basically vial mask but with WD instead. No matter how you try to look at it, being status effected is bad on DPS builds. That means you have to go armor for survivability. Besides, why rely on status to get more WD when majority DPS builds use a shield and reviver hive anyways? Just stop using a shield and take Streamlined. You'll get more WD than Catalyst

If you're going armor, you're becoming a tank. Tank builds are bad in PvE. Better for pvp as crits/armor. Being able to ADS while on fire is crucial in pvp

If you're on fire in PvE, you can just simply take cover or pop your shield

Even trying to factor in OD, you have to constantly keep your bleed damage on enemies, and that means shooting multiple targets. You could go Bluescreen + Nego with Catalyst, I see it viable on that. Nego transfers damage and Bluescreen can easily proc the Status which will Proc stacks on the mask

@subtle bluff would be so proud hearing Nego + Catalyst + Bluescreen pop up in this chat 😂

[glacial wedge]

Thanks for putting it into words

[strong cave]

Unfortunately when the community gets new toys and read only the bonus parts of the talent and see "ooo, I get x damage from this! This will be meta surely!"... Without understanding how the talent actually works... We end up with the builds we see on YT all the time

Sure, 24% WD + Status sounds good, but you have to keep your stacks up to get the reward. That's not always constant especially on the "meta" builds we have now. It slots in awkwardly

[shy willow]

Catalyst looks BIS on OD

[kindred mango]

I just got Catalyst last night. I was going to try Iron Lung w/ OD and Strikers tonight. Can’t be that bad right lol

[patent fossil]

Compared to coyote? Coyote (assuming mid-range buff) brings 16% chc and 22% chd from talent and minors, on a relatively low crit build like OD that's surely more damage overall?

[shy willow]

I wonder how it maths out

You get like some weapon damage some status effects and bonus armour with catalyst

[patent fossil]

The status effects aren't going to add much actual damage to an OD build given you generally just focus down one enemy at a time (unless bluescreen maybe), the weapon damage is additive so somewhat valuable but probably not as much as the crit from coyotes. Other benefits are harder to quantify of course

[shy willow]

Preference I suppose

[hushed gorge]

Got it

[light grove]

The problem is that OD by itself starves you for damage substats. Using an exotic that lacks crit or HSD does that to you further.

If I’m thinking about how the talent works, that “tanky” portion with bonus armor is only going to work if you secure a kill. With how starved you get on substats that’s easier said than done.

[onyx sage]

coyote mid buff is approx 50% chd, catalyst is 24% wd + 24% status but it depends on the status. but just leaving out the status for now the weapon damage isn't gonna be enough

[strong cave]

Thank you for this. I've been relentlessly saying this all morning

[astral kraken]

i did some basic tests with my od build and coyote wins

too much crit loss

however modifiers make it not so bad

i think its a perfect drop-in replacement for vile in eclipse status builds

because vile is trash but there's been nothing better to put there

[zenith plover]

Is foundry bulwark worth building??

[chrome raft]

imo yes, it is the build for a pure tank setup

If you want to be practically unkillable, foundry will do that for you

[zenith plover]

Cause im looking for a raid build

[chrome raft]

There’s a mask that heals you after taking a certain amount of damage, I think it’s the catharsis?

It pairs extremely well with foundry

[patent fossil]

Tank setups are generally not worth it though outside of very specific raid encounters. If you're new to the raids you will be asked to use a full red damage build, since the roles that require a tank builds generally need more knowledge of the mechanics

[onyx sage]

even in raids we don't use foundry either btw. it's utterly useless at high level play

[patent fossil]

In the rest of the game, doing less damage simply forces you to run everything slower, much better to avoid taking damage through positioning and target prioritisation

[chrome raft]

I’m currently running one of the meta builds in my gameplay (backfire + umbra with haz pro + memento) and the amount of bonus armour I have at almost all times is utterly bonkers

And I’m dishing out 600-700k crits that make heroic feel like normal 😂 Apparently you can even run legendary with this setup

But what really blew my mind was the hazard protection… and how insanely useful it is

Being immune to everything is so awesome, makes rogue agents and hunters far less of a threat.

[onyx sage]

you ready for a bubble burst yet?

[versed summit]

Lol

[chrome raft]

I mean you can try xD I’m enjoying the build regardless

[onyx sage]

i mean you're free to enjoy the build, but saying that it's meta is quite far from the truth

[chrome raft]

Those aren’t my words

[astral kraken]

hazard protection makes hunters less of a threat?

[chrome raft]

Just about every content creator is calling backfire builds meta builds for this season due to the global modifier

[onyx sage]

yeah they call every build meta if it gets them views so it doesn't mean anything

[chrome raft]

regardless of that fact, give it a go, it’s a blast

[chrome raft]

Yes, because their long term EMP that normally stops you using skills for a minute or two affects you for <2 seconds at 96% hazpro

[onyx sage]

i think he meant that you can just kill them

[chrome raft]

Which means you can then foam them

[onyx sage]

which i agree

[chrome raft]

At which point killing them is a cakewalk

[onyx sage]

yeah but you don't need any of that and focus on damaging them still

this doesn't bother with any of that, just learn to peek them, no skills hazpro needed

[astral kraken]

foam grenades cant be emp jammed

[onyx sage]

also @astral kraken i think this video itself is a good post shield peeking peeking guide 💀

[hazy steeple]

@astral kraken Sorry, Rule #4.

[astral kraken]

nah my bad i forgot O_o

[onyx sage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTSrPEVxB44 per @astral kraken: the emp doesn't last that long, only like 20s

[hazy steeple]

You can post the video itself in the future, like Average' did.

[astral kraken]

yea like 20s and if they overlap their emp pulses the overlapping one doesn't count

[craggy forge]

Kingbreaker for Heartbreaker Build?

[onyx sage]

nah it's pretty bad

[craggy forge]

M4 or carbine with flatline?

[slate spoke]

Kingbreaker feels too slow for the 100 stacks without stacking with another gun. Plus no kings 🙂

[onyx sage]

either is fine. i prefer m4. p416 also good too

[craggy forge]

How about st elmo as an alternative or m4 with killer talent? Or is flatline straight better with the laser attachement?

[onyx sage]

you really want the pulse on aim ability tbh. some enemies don't have heads and if they're not pulsed you're not doing any extra damage to them

[slate spoke]

Killer felt like it was giving me a little over 20% vs flatline 15%

[onyx sage]

yeah killer is stronger

[patent fossil]

Lower uptime though

[slate spoke]

I’d still always run 1 of my guns with flatline.

[craggy forge]

I am basically looking for anotger ar build besides striker that is a bit more sustainable, cause striker gets boring if u play it 24/7 so heartbreaker without chest is a good choice for heroic content?

[onyx sage]

OD, negotiator

HB requiring high end guns for the most ease of use turns me off even for open world stuff

[solar berry]

Is the mask actually fixed?

I’m at work all day till tmw

[astral kraken]

yea

[solar berry]

Mmm 🤔 I can actually do some proper testing with it now

OD best synergy ofc with BP and Chest.

[astral kraken]

ND all day. Overall DPS potential is insane and marked enemies can't hide from you. And you get damage off the rip without having to build stacks.

[icy mulch]

I have lots of fun with a sniper build when playing solo, there are several sniper options that offer different gameplay like the mantis, the nemesis, or a high end sniper with determined, usually you go with 3 or 4 piece hotshot and 2pc airaldi, with talents headhunter and vigilance, all red with headshot damage and weapon handling (could also sub in weapon handling for armor regen if you want).

Spec is sharpshooter and the skills are your choosing with decoy being pretty good especially if you're using the mantis, revive hive is a nice general option, striker drone can bring enemies out of cover and distract them but it makes them flail around and become hard to headshot but that's a non-issue with determined.

In 4 man heroic or legendaries it can be tough to get that first kill but once you do and get headhunter you can carry pretty hard!

[solar berry]

HF as well

[patent fossil]

^

[icy mulch]

oh i completely overlooked they asked for ar builds, sorry

[patent fossil]

Someone up there suggested bluescreen nego, which sounds like a decent combination, but generally coyotes will probably still out damage it. EP maybe if you're running technician.

[steady bough]

Anyone have a relatively easy HF build they can share? I have one but idk how good it is lol

[solar berry]

I get it, coyote is the best of the best exo mask of all time, every other mask extremely lacks on dps

[patent fossil]

Memento, ceska obliterate or intimidate chest, 4pc hunters fury. Crit minor stats, blue cores to taste, whatever smg or shotgun most takes your fancy

[steady bough]

Yeah I don’t have memento @patent fossil 😭

[patent fossil]

I guess throw on a grupo backpack with bloodsucker in the meantime

[steady bough]

Honestly I probably don’t even have that @patent fossil only shd 815 and I don’t have tooooo many good items 😭

[solar berry]

Just run coyotes mask, best of the best top dps mask of all time

[patent fossil]

Target backpacks in countdown, spend the currency on exotic caches, or just run priority objectives with exotic rewards, you'll get it soon enough

[steady bough]

Thanks @patent fossil 🫡

[hexed steppe]

I second this 👆

Nego is 😍

[hexed steppe]

Od bag is meh. Better with highend bag, talent wicked/vigilance

[craggy forge]

is there like a build that plays like HF but instead of SMG you can use AR?

[patent fossil]

You can just run an AR on HF if you want, otherwise maybe heartbreaker or memento striker with eagle bearer

[craggy forge]

HF comes always with red cores right?

[steady bough]

Current HF build. What can be different? I don’t have memento or even grupo.

[onyx sage]

yeah

[mint axle]

Go get a memento then

[craggy forge]

Is it better to play it with blue cores or red good aswell?

[onyx sage]

i mean that's a personal thing really

i always recommend full red but it's just me

[mint axle]

With all blue, you kill two NPCs and get survivability as hell, while red you get a lot of damage.

[steady bough]

Geeee thanks @mint axle

[eager viper]

I’m playing with intimidate chest and bloodsucker BP. Been pretty decent. Shit rolls on my gear. 4HF and 2smg dmg gear. Forgot name

[steady bough]

Thanks @eager viper

[eager viper]

3B / 3R cores

[young notch]

i know its probably not good, but any build i can use mantis effectivelly?

[onyx sage]

i mean it is good, it's the best mmr for hh right now besides nemesis and tac50

[young notch]

is that with or without the talent? i figured in solo play its doesnt have a consistent uptime even with decoys

[onyx sage]

with

if you're not getting consistent kills to proc the talent to get more decoys then it's not a good situation for it

the gameplay is around looping decoys and kills, you just need 1 kill to keep decoying

[young notch]

would the decoys have enough health to last in legendary content for a kill or two assuming were at stacks of 0s

[onyx sage]

more than enough time

[young notch]

interesting ill try a hh hotshot setup then

[light grove]

Dodge city holster ❤️

[kind sluice]

What would make a great build using the Catalyst Mask now that it's been fixed? All red Striker, Hunters Fury or maybe Eclipse protocol to take advantage of the status effects?

[onyx sage]

OD

HF is not good for it cuz you want the off pieces to be the ones with good talents, HF backpack or chest are very bad

[kind sluice]

yeah I forgot about OD lol. Obvious choice indeed!

[astral kraken]

hear me out: red ep

[onyx sage]

i thought about red ep too

[kind sluice]

That's gonna be a pain to farm

[dreamy valve]

I have a red eclipse set, tried some builds with it before, just doesn’t do enough damage with weapons imo. Will try again now that Catalyst is fixed

Also going to test my Yellow Tip of the Spear build with Catalyst too

[subtle bluff]

Bluescreen is good but only on health targets it's better imo other just kill them all faster

[subtle bluff]

Just stop..

[subtle bluff]

You ppl all just stop with the Red EP.

[onyx sage]

i thought about it, i didn't think it was going to be good

[hazy steeple]

Because I can't be bothered to read the whole conversation: if you wanted to kill stuff with a gun and a yellow build, wouldn't you just use Capacitor?

[onyx sage]

it's like when souless asked me if i wanna raid and i say "i'll think about it" then never do it

[subtle bluff]

Peoples are trying to make focus builds around Catalyst...

Like most exo they support a build is not the main focus. IMO

[onyx sage]

nah it's like vile bro you gotta build around it frfr

[subtle bluff]

I don't wanna to friends anymore with you

[onyx sage]

but nah it's pretty stupid. the buff isn't even that big. i'd only make a case for it on EP fire or OD because for the rare chunga that can spawn, having a bit more weapon damage on a build that's lacking reds would be more impactful than vile.

but no, no red ep

[meager fog]

Troll reconfigure just to make me optimize lmao

[hazy steeple]

That's RNG for ya.
Honestly with most Exotics, I wouldn't bother reconfiguring, just farming out a new one.
You can use the stuff you don't want as mats for the future, you'll need a lot of Exo Comps.

[honest moss]

I have this build, works nicely tbh. I just need the catalyst to throw on it now.

[meager fog]

Just gave it a shot since I finally got the gun to drop yesterday, just made me laugh is all

[hazy steeple]

It's a good habit to get into, you'd be shocked at how many Exo Comps you will burn through once you start getting into Expertise.

[meager fog]

This gun IS nuts though.....although it's hard to leave the BK behind....reloading now just feels wrong

[subtle bluff]

It much more DPS output than BK. Unhealthing things faster is always good.

[hazy steeple]

Are you talking about Pesti or BK? The picture is confusing.

[hearty owl]

HF bag hater smh my head

HF bag would have saved you on first area on Manning legendary

[onyx sage]

nope it's beeg scam.

[subtle bluff]

I'd used HF BP for most of the DLC solo.

So I could use DCH

[meager fog]

Both, I was using the BK until I got Pesti to drop. Was just saying it's hard to move away from the BK because of the whole infinite ammo thing lol

[onyx sage]

i am a creeping death HF enjoyer. (i'm not)

[hearty owl]

I’m gonna rock HF bag and Catalyst on my HH build just so spite Dien

[hazy steeple]

As someone who has used a Mad Bomber HF build for way longer than is sane: I get it.

[hearty owl]

Mad bomber is the most slept on talent ong

you literally cook

[onyx sage]

use it to do DH with broken

[hearty owl]

I will but whiteout will inflict the worst atrocities upon me

[astral kraken]

you dont need to move away from it. just keep it around for the moments where it shines.

bk is not a good all purpose weapon. its really really good in specific situations.

[meager fog]

I just reconfigured the BK for a laugh and rolled crit chance....think i will stick with it for a bit lol

Now has 24.5% base crit, before anything else....

[astral kraken]

marvelous

[hearty owl]

This guy is cooking

Guys the swap speed brandset is so meta why didn’t anyone tell me about this

Swap speed brandset with Mad Bomber and Festive Delivery holyyyyy

[astral kraken]

is that what that afk guy at the white house keeps doing?

[hearty owl]

🙂

Is catalyst confirmed TWD??

[hazy steeple]

I don't think it was ever in that show, no.