td2-build-advice

[warm knot]

Intereasting, I never considerated that...

[subtle bluff]

idk.. I am a backfire user but only for incursion. I could use it outside of it but only way I'd use it on strikers memento probably or HB. If not, I'm just waiting for more stacks of content so that everything doesn't seem so tough to need, and it doesn't seem inefficient.

[solar sable]

i never found backfire inefficient in the LZ tbh
I loved it for close and maybe mid encounters

[solar berry]

Backfire is the best when on striker or HF

[subtle bluff]

In what content?

solo feels like a pain to do.

[solar sable]

I did activities and missions mostly, trying to see where it performed better and it did a lot better than I expected

[subtle bluff]

Like I said it's not a bad gun by any means it does the really good DPS

[solar sable]

I had lexi for long range combat btw

[subtle bluff]

I hate it's handling

[subtle bluff]

Throw on Visionario +50 Optimal Range.

and/or another pc of Legatus and get anther +50 range.

[solar sable]

might as well try that when I have some time for division

[subtle bluff]

I have messed with Backfire since TU21 and figure out what to do about it. It is a playstyle if anything.

[solar sable]

gib build pls

[subtle bluff]

Strikers Memento

Just throw it on Tech Tank

[coarse heart]

Any good guns to run with a striker build? I’m using Chameleon and PP19/P90 rotate

[violet juniper]

Literally anything with a high RPM

[coarse heart]

What is RPM

[solar sable]

fire rate/rounds per minute

[violet juniper]

Favorite metal band?

[coarse heart]

Ooh okayy

[solar sable]

dream theater

[coarse heart]

You miss out on Orbit Culture

[violet juniper]

interesting

Motionless in White/Thy Art is Murder myself

[violet juniper]

Not really a fan of them, to be honest. Over reliant on their drumming

[cerulean smelt]

someone speculated 2 of that with head hunter's fury would be interesting

[young notch]

an umbra lmg, what lmg archetype should i use and should i prioritize crit or hsd or dmg to arm

[solar berry]

Maximum threat against you

[magic pilot]

Crit

[subtle bluff]

Nah kiling faster with HF is better.

[light dome]

Is this stat good?

Or should I re roll?

[subtle bluff]

No. DTTooC (Dmg to Target out of Cover)

Always DTTooC

[young notch]

why not hsd?

[subtle bluff]

It's hard to be good at hitting heads all the time.

[shy willow]

especially with an lmg lol

[subtle bluff]

Let's put it this way. HSD is normally for 1shotHS builds. Crit is for DPS.

[young notch]

okok i just spammed hsd on div 1 so i figured its kinda the same

[last slate]

Keep rolling what you want is, Max Weapon Damage, Max Crit Chance, Damage to Armor....at least as close to Max attributes

[peak meadow]

DTTOOC or bust

[solar sable]

ew no

[peak meadow]

Oh I didn't see Mr Chow already answered for me

[young notch]

would dmg out of cover apply to my skills

[peak meadow]

No but IIRC capacitor's special innate 6% DTA does work with at least some skills

[upper holly]

yo is it lowkey impossible for double red lengmo named bag? i swear ive gone thru like 250 of em now still no double red substat

also is it impossible to get the named ceska kneepads?

[solar sable]

Turmoil? Unobtainable atm

[upper holly]

ah rip guess i missed didnt have game installed during april rip

[peak meadow]

It's possible to get a double red backbone, it's just hard to.

[upper holly]

ill just use other knees for the build then

[onyx sage]

only oxi and demolisher

[upper holly]

yeah rn im just speedrunning floor10 summit on heroic with 120% worth of modifiers been at it for a day or 2 around 4hrs a day of grinding guess im just unlucky tryna make a lengmos pest build cos i heard its pretty good

something like this (screenshot from yt vid) but with diff knees i guess

[onyx sage]

i mean you can just use fox there

[peak meadow]

@onyx sage yo, Dien, an actual good build

[upper holly]

thats what im using

[peak meadow]

I'm going to destroy my phone's autocorrect functionality.

[upper holly]

running fox's with strikers and the sacrifice currently

[onyx sage]

for pesti?

[upper holly]

i mean yeah it works no?

im hitting 500k per hit with fullstacked pest doing 800-900k ish

[onyx sage]

it works, just wondering why you're not using vigilance

[upper holly]

on bag or what?

[onyx sage]

on bag

[upper holly]

cos farming so im always taking dmg

even with decoy solo means i get hit once or twice

[onyx sage]

eh it's not that big of a deal

it's up more than you think

[upper holly]

yeah i been testing it didnt notice much diff tbh

[onyx sage]

it should be literally 25% higher compared to no fox

[upper holly]

ive been swapping bag and knees every now and again

[onyx sage]

because it's 25% total

[upper holly]

aint got named vigi bag good enough right

[onyx sage]

you don't need named

[visual python]

What's the bonus armor tank build that some players are using?

[opal glade]

Man im really in love again with the Diamondback - SO much fun!

Anything to improve upon?

(Mods are all +chd)

(Build is for solo play)

[shy willow]

Umbra and diamondback seems counter intuitive

It's a lever action it's gonna fire slow no matter what

[grizzled storm]

would breaking point + bakers dozen be any good?

since you will always get max stacks

[opal glade]

Well you have that 1,2% chd increase per stack and with diamondbacks 100% chc on the weapontrait thats a perfect fit tho

I go around and do like 5mil bodyshots

That combo feels very nice tho

You have a case on the firerate tho - unfortunately Diamondback is still single press rifle ...but thats maybe an issue for someone with carpaltunnel syndrome :))

[young notch]

4pc final measure 2 yellows, 2 blues, 2 red? + tact to get 6 yellow?

[shy willow]

Bakers dozen is just no good imo

[tranquil surge]

What the easiest way get st. elmo's engine?

[solar sable]

Countdown AR TL.

[sullen night]

Sorry, long: Is there a reason to use Striker + Memento + Obliterate chest instead of Heartbreaker + Memento + Heartbreaker chest? If I'm not mistaken the first gives you 65 (striker) + 20 (obliterate) bonus dmg at max stacks, for a total of 85, but HB with chest gives you 100 bonus dmg at max stacks AND you get the bonus armor on top, so HB just seems superior when choosing to run Memento or what am I missing?

[solar sable]

In order to compare two builds where Memento is involved, you're assuming full Memento stacks. AFAIK obviously.

[sullen night]

Yea but both builds use Memento anyway in this case

I'm just wondering why so many ppl use Striker + Highend chest instead of HB+HB chest on Memento buillds

[hazy steeple]

Well, Striker and HB are entirely different Gearsets.
Thanks for coming to my tedtalk.

[tranquil surge]

i got from 1 run

[shy willow]

HB has a number of issues

[worn bough]

Would somebody be willing to join me in a call and explain builds? Returning player and I dont remember any of this. So im kinda lost.

[hazy steeple]

@worn bough No need for that, there's a 📌 pinned-message in this channel, where there's a "spreadsheet 2" that has a bunch of meta builds that are explained in full.
If you need a vocal component: I can recommend "iKia"'s youtube channel, although they are a little long-winded.

[worn bough]

@hazy steeple I get it a little bit. I understand Red is Offensive heavy builds, Blue is Defensive and Yellow is skill heavy. My question is are there certain pieces that are staples that you must roll with? Like to get a significant amount of armor you should roll it on a chest piece?

[hazy steeple]

Div2 will never allow you to truly "tank", it's best to think of this game as a light tactical shooter, like an xcom with less turn based.

[worn bough]

Um, okay. Didn't follow that

[hazy steeple]

div2 = no tanky.

[shy willow]

Tanking effectively means no damage which means no killing which means no clearing

[worn bough]

Okay is there a recommended amount of armor to strive for?

[solar sable]

unless you want to become a branded sponge then no

[hazy steeple]

@worn bough You can throw on Memento and that'll pretty much handle any "in your face" tanky builds that you want to make.

Even the long buffs are nice.

(It's an Exotic backpack)

[worn bough]

I'm not saying I want to make a Tank. I'm just trying to understand the basis of what's recommended.

Especially when I'm more PVE focused and plan on running Raids

[hazy steeple]

Oh Memento is more designed around "bruiser" builds, ya know, cqb kinda deal. Run up and shoot from close range.
For Raids, you're best off starting out with a Striker setup, which is just all Reds.

[worn bough]

Okay

[hazy steeple]

In div2, your best bet for staying alive is just not getting shot, which sounds obvious, but cover really is the best way to live in this game.

[rich cosmos]

Nimble holster peak

[young notch]

yall think its worth dropping to like 2 skill tiers in a support build if my skill tiers can go to 6 around teammates?

[heavy lava]

Making a healer build for legendary content to work my way up hopefully to raid content. How many repair minors vs haste minors should I have?

(still working on perfect backpack)

[solar sable]

if your FI pieces already have repair skills, then you're all good

[heavy lava]

so how many is that? Looking for a particular number so I can min max.

[tulip charm]

6 on gear

Rest is skill haste

[heavy lava]

Thanks guys.

Any tips for healer in general?

[solar sable]

6/2 if I'm not mistaken yeah

[tulip charm]

Uh dont die ig

Youre at the mercy of your dps

[solar sable]

just keep an eye on your dps people

[tranquil surge]

From the hardest control point difficulty with all debuffs i get 2,2m xp, is it the fastest way to get it?

[heavy lava]

sounds good, and I use my overcharge when their revive hives are down correct?

Or for a max pulse

[tulip charm]

No either com it or use at the start

Or when your hive is running low

[heavy lava]

Ohh okay I see. I appreciate the pointers.

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[hasty sluice]

At long last 😭

[zenith plover]

under my SHD watch, which one should i prioritize under handling??

Im leaning towards accuracy or stability

[hazy steeple]

You are getting them all maxed out at Lvl 1k anyway, but Stability will probably be the most useful right now, especially if you try out a Hotshot setup.

[zenith plover]

Im running a hotspot setup rn since im speedrunning my shd levels aiming to be at 500 by the end of the week

[hazy steeple]

In case you weren't aware: getting to 100% Stability with an MMR makes it so that your shots always hit where the crosshairs are, even out of scope.

you can check it in the menu > inventory > stats > change weapon until your Agent is holding the MMR.

[zenith plover]

I see lemme check that

thanks for the tip

[hushed gorge]

does any new player want the cayote mask?
new players can join me

[subtle bluff]

doesn't work like that. It's only shareable to people who were in the group when the gear drops.

[hazy steeple]

That, and also once you do, make sure you LFG down in #lfg-pc

[rich lotus]

What’s the best possible dps build for pve

[solar sable]

Striker's

[rich lotus]

Do u have a dps build?

Can u pm me a pic pls

[solar sable]

you have the spreadsheet pinned here

[subtle bluff]

Go to the Pinned Messages.

[sturdy flower]

im trying to thin if theres any exotic better to have than a coyote for a striker build in incursions

[slender cloak]

using chameleon in a striker/shield run n gun build, works fine in open world because of short encounters. but during missions the combat lasts ages and the gun buffs are hard to keep up. is it a skill issue or are there better options for longer combat content?

[sturdy flower]

you can farm st elmos or strega from countdown which are better ARs than chameleon

then theres ouro from the incursion which is best in slot rn

i forget what strega does tho

st elmos just builds up an shock magazine the more you hit enemies

and has some of the better attachments out of any of the exotic ARs

[slender cloak]

oh wow yeah 15 CHD/CHC.

[sturdy flower]

strega marks enemies when you kill someone and marked enemies take 15% more damage

[solar sable]

typical st elmos hater

[slender cloak]

i don't get it

[sturdy flower]

the attachments are the best part of elmos i think

the perk is kinda meh

[solar sable]

just the mag and the handling

[sturdy flower]

it can help but it's just a stun

i'd try to learn the incursion and get ouro

usually theres people who sherpa and since you have strikers it shouldnt be too hard if you learn the mechanics

can get lucky and someone drops a spare at the end of the run too

[keen kayak]

Can i get strega from Countdown as well?

[sturdy flower]

yeah

[keen kayak]

Thank you

[sturdy flower]

I'm trying to think of what might have more utility as a gear exotic other than coyote mask running a striker obliterate set

coyote mask is nice and all but feels unnecessary tbh

[solar sable]

Striker's Memento for example makes a whole different playstyle.

Any striker's build with striker vest is merely unoptimal outside of Legendary, Master or Raids.

[sturdy flower]

I have memento I just usually stick to striker bp

only other thing that seems semi useful is catharsis tbh

[hazy steeple]

@sturdy flower Coyotes Mask is by far the most used and I'd argue, the most useful Exotic when it comes to a Striker build.

It allows you to distribute your Attributes so you can stack up more CHD, let's you get a benefit in both CHD and CHC, it's basically tailor-made for a gearset red DPS build.

And it's even useful when someone else in your team has it, as even though only 1 buff of it can be activate at a time, you're often in different ranges.
So tl;dr If you're in mid-range and someone else is in long-range, you get both mid and long.

[hushed gorge]

oh

[patent fossil]

Exodus is a recent alternative that's been popular with some of the build experts. Wouldn't surprise me if the nimble holster also proved decent, although I haven't really seen anyone talking about it yet.

[subtle bluff]

We really like Exodus since it's passive and it'll heal if you pause or change weapons quicky.

[solar berry]

Exodus is very good in general. If you stop shooting when smoke procs

[hasty sluice]

Devils due any good?

[solar berry]

For PvP clutch build yea, if built properly. But clutch needs a buff ngl. It’s not good as it used to be.

PvE. Haven’t see much people run it or if not any tbh

[hasty sluice]

i guess ill keep it then. idk much about pvp builds but ik named dz items are kinda hard to come by.

[solar berry]

Clutch can be as good build in lower end content. Surprisingly, my PvP clutch build do ok but not the best in PvE.

It’s not bad. Just more of a PvP talent than a PvE one. If that makes sense

I wanna test sum out when I get home with it for PvE… when I get home from work later today. Mmm 🤔

Revisit my lil idea out again.

[ivory birch]

Just got D2, are skill builds viable here like D1 for PVP / PVE? Seems like DPS is much more viable

Sorry if this is the wrong forum to ask

[subtle bluff]

Stash it.

[subtle bluff]

Almost anything can be viable in solo play but you'll notice the ones that aren't so good it a wall pretty quick.
Otherwise I can't fully answer this since I didn't play D1.

[solar berry]

I personally never been a skill build player unless it’s a healer build. So I personally can’t say to much for skill dps ones. Never been my cup of tea.

Other skill build crafters in here can answer that for you. When they show up and answer that question.

[ivory birch]

Thanks, I might try that. Presume people run with Chem Healer + Support Drone. Need to get to lvl 40 first lol but might try set it up going forward, thanks!

[subtle bluff]

No. Pinned Messages there's a GDoc

Get to 40 first.

[solar berry]

I do recommend focusing on builds when you get to lvl 40 first. Before even think about it.

But asking ideas is good for you to know what to build off the back when you reach lvl 40

[strong cave]

I myself have used a striker skill build before but it's very... Weak... In terms of weapon damage output. You can build it as a crit setup and just do yellow cores or you could build it for skill damage and ditch crit damage. Let me find one of my old setups and I'll post the template here

[wraith orbit]

What's a good final measure build

[ivory birch]

Ya I'm more planning for post lvl 40, thanks again for the info

[strong cave]

Is that the new Gearset?

[wraith orbit]

yeah

Actually called measured assembly but it's just FM brom div1

[strong cave]

Pvp or PvE?

It's viable in both depending on the content you're playing. It's decent in pvp, amazing in legendary pve. Run it with BTSU gloves and some sort of improvised piece for either more skill haste or repair skills. In pvp you can afford to drop yellows for blues due to the talent of the gear itself. Same with PvE as long as everyone stays together within hive range. My buddy runs this build for both pvp and PvE. Super super good

The chest and backpack is a must

[pastel crane]

I was thinking of using Measured Assembly for PvE

[solar berry]

Skill dps just never been my thing from the start. Always tried different variations. Just simply can’t get into them.

[strong cave]

It works for PvE, I don't recommend it in any content less than Heroic. And only against black tusks. They're known for their explosives. Legendary, it's absolutely broken. Totally worth it

[solar berry]

Like I said, it’s not my cup of tea

[strong cave]

Yeah it wasn't mine either. The DPS/skills build made it too... Variable? Too much variety? It became mediocre across the board

[solar berry]

Me as a person love killing things quick with weapons than relying on skills to do all the work.

I personally enjoy doing the work myself. If that makes sense

Refractor is ok. But still isn’t my cup of tea.

Only skill build I can get by is healer aka FI with BTSU gloves

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwDgtAzGAMNgjHWympdAXMRwwE45cBWItM9GDA3AnMAFlwubQ3AJc-MuAI+67MsfAaKHAItfOHgkERAOzyAbPPBDBAjJs4YiGePTDBYwXMCVCIq5aQWJl6tEA

Found the template. I ran this as a joke when I was SHD 600 or so. It was okay, ish, but still not that viable. You'll be camping cover a lot. The crits on it are great and the damage is great. But rip that skill haste

My reasoning for ditching the striker bag was mostly because force multiplier talent was too good to pass up. I did look into percussive maintenance, that one Alps back, but chose against it. Striker is meant for shooting with your gun, and the backpack talents for skills are hard to pass up. Especially force multiplier. The drone and turret last a while tbh so I chose to neglect haste for crits so my gun does at least SOME damage. CHC is near mandatory on capacitor or else you will be crit starved badly. It comes with DTA which near all enemies have armor anyways. DTOC is just brownie points. But like this community always says, " if you ain't crittin', you ain't hittin' "

Might just remake this build tbh see how it does now that I'm 14k SHD

[subtle bluff]

Idk about amazing, niche for a group that isn't output damage.

leggo play imo the 3 different support when I do run them are FI, EP or HW.

The rest don't do enough imo.

[shy willow]

If it could do grenades it'd be significantly more useful

[strong cave]

It's good if you don't wanna be blown up. Then again, you are correct. No excuses as to why the group isn't doing damage. My buddy and I typically run duos and we just random fill as we have no other friends that play. Plus he hates "meta" builds bc it's boring to him. I do like the new Gearset and how it works in both PvE, but even moreso I love it in PvP. Cavalier finally has a competitor

[subtle bluff]

I can run not meta builds all day in leggo. That'll still do the same. But FM is a crutch.

[strong cave]

A pretty big crutch. I did try explaining that but he don't care 😂 the benefits of FI over that set are way too good. FI buffs damage which we all know DPS is the name of the game here

It is a nice different type of set and I do like how it works. It's just niche, which you're right. I wouldn't call it terrible tho but that's just me. The way we use it is slightly different as we now use it in pvp as "trophy systems" and it outputs healing

[solar berry]

I don’t like to sit and camp. I love to move around a lot.

One thing about skill builds make me don’t like them 😒

[subtle bluff]

From all my runs learning how to carry a team thru. Some teams need a FI some need EP and some just need a mix of everything.

[strong cave]

Same here :( that's my gripe about it tho. I'm able to adapt to different play styles since I play a mix of everything. I tailor most my builds to support my playstyle. Usually I'm AR support or healer

With the new set you have to stay within hive range, which is a decent area but when you need to go beyond that, it's like "what's the point?". That's where smart cover comes into play . It works with that too

[hazy steeple]

Wait, does "crutch" here mean something that holds your build back, or something that helps it?

Because I've seen it used both ways.

[strong cave]

Crutch in this case means "using something cheesy to keep your team alive". New set cancels explosions, skills, mortars, etc. in leggo they're known for being explosive. It would be considered a crutch due to the fact you should have killed the bombers immediately with DPS as opposed to sitting and camping with a hive and smart cover to cancel them out. Basically chow is saying it hinders learning of game mechanics and it's not supplying enough buffs for DPS. Which he's right, div 2 is very DPS reliant

He's talking about efficiency here, which he's absolutely right. For me, I'm talking about practicality of the build. It's got its niche uses, but still worth looking into imo

[hazy steeple]

So basically the people using the word only kinda knows what a crutch is, and it's somewhat poorly used.

I'm just being an old person yelling at clouds, don't mind me.

[strong cave]

Partially, due to the fact that it can have many meanings. You're right on that

You could counter Argue and say "you need a healer? That's a crutch. Just don't get shot 🤷‍♀️"

Instantly the message changes

[hazy steeple]

See I was initially reading it as an o there instead of the u, and that felt very weird.
I need a new monitor.

[strong cave]

Either new monitor or invest in reading glasses 😭 or have your eyes checked 😭 im a prescription glasses wearer myself. Eyesight is important to keep watch on

(let's hope it's just the monitor tho)

[hazy steeple]

It's 12 years old, it's probably the screen.

[strong cave]

😬 yeah get that thing replaced. Yeesh

[hazy steeple]

I can get past it, it's just a Skil Issue.

[strong cave]

I'm pretty sure on discord there's a way to increase the chat size font by a touch. I personally decreased mine because I dislike big words on my screen. I only have reading problems when it's too close to my face. Other than that I have near-perfect vision

[solar berry]

I love small text on my PC and phone. Can never get used to big bold words in my face

[solar berry]

I tried many build from the start. Many builds I don’t enjoy using, or find it boring 🥱

I try ease of use or other types of builds. I always revert back to weapon focused ones that actually do dps. And not capacitor do dps for skills dmg stacks as the main obj of the weapon.

[solar field]

This is my current dz build only changes I need is a blue core grupo and blue core double crit matador but for now I keep the guilaguard

[strong cave]

I would honestly swap out those knees for fox's, change that Gila bag to a ceska bag, swap those gloves out for contractors, then slap Picaros on it

[broken bridge]

Don’t you have the Matador blueprint from shepherd rank

[strong cave]

Only if it drops. Each cache is random

[broken bridge]

I got it from them reconstructing caches

[solar field]

Yeah no blueprint yet for it or I'd craft one easy

[strong cave]

I got Kard TDI custom, backup boomstick, as well as other rare BP's. Matador is hard to get as a blueprint

[strong cave]

Descent is another way to obtain these blueprints... Only if you like pulling your hair out

[broken bridge]

Thankfully I got the Matador from the shepherd before it changed yesterday so I’m eating good

[strong cave]

Double crit matador still escapes me 😮‍💨 you lucky SOB. I'll get mine soon tho

Mine is all reds and currently sits on my popshot shotgun build

[subtle bluff]

Bruh... CD vendor last week....

oh double so can armor it nvm

[strong cave]

Yeah I was tempted to buy that but it's like... If it ain't double crit, I don't see a point. Coyote mask close range esp in dz is way too good to pass up. Coyote I'd dare say best in slot

3 blues 3 reds is viable in pvp, depending on the build. But close range like that nah I say 4 blues 2 reds. Blue core double crit matador is a must

[strong cave]

Sadly that's because div 2 is all about the DPS. You like efficient as well as shooting and running. I play that way too. Slower type builds are harder for me to use because of the fact I stay constantly moving. I know all too well how that feels

[solar field]

Getting double crit unbreakable chests with armor reroll is harder than anything which sucks too

[subtle bluff]

Unicorn rolls always fun.

[strong cave]

How's that lengmo chest piece coming along?

[strong cave]

Me who constantly gets them with Sokolov:

[subtle bluff]

I have a red chc/chd obl but I'm happy enough with my blue CG.

I don't use the build like nuts but when I did good enough.

[strong cave]

Glass cannon is basically just power creep. Boosts all damage, including ticks and status and whatever else. Obliterate is just decent for only doing weapon damage without basically halfing your armor that glass does

[subtle bluff]

Well AMP. Where I already have TWD from Backbone.

But ya amp are power creep.

[paper moon]

Is this good for iron horse trying to get the ravenous

[urban latch]

It's fine. Imo a high end build is still better in IH due to how few ads there are, you won't really be maintaining striker stacks, but it still works fine.

[paper moon]

ok

[strong cave]

Will work fine. Keeping stacks in IH is difficult but you'll be doing decent damage anyways. I'd ditch fenris and go with ceska chest (same setup). Will give you more crits in the end. That's just best possible setup. Do your raid first and then try and go for the piece I described

Some parts of IH you can stack with the ACS12. Some raid leaders might tell you to not shoot the boss with shock rounds. Just make sure before your Elmo is charged up you swap off it and back on to prevent shock ammo. Or just go with a high end Famas with Strained on it (killer won't work efficiently with raid bosses)

[paper moon]

ok just need to make the build on psn because finding a group on pc right now isn't looking good

[strong cave]

GC Rock discord is a great community. They got hundreds of not thousands of raiders there that are always looking for groups

[paper moon]

you have a invite by chance?

[strong cave]

I recommend joining it and posting in the IH-PC LFG channel

[strong cave]

Go to GC Rock's YouTube. Should be all over his channel. I can't post invite links and I have DMs turned off for security reasons

[paper moon]

ok

[strong cave]

He's a ubi partner so should be stupid easy to find

[paper moon]

got it

[subtle bluff]

You search in discord itself or google it.

[hazy steeple]

There's a feature on discord called "discover", has a 🧭 compass icon.
Search "division" in there and all 3 big ones come up.

[warm socket]

Any good darkzone pvp Build?

[analog bay]

if searching for a basic "Lefty" shotgun, the Countdown Requisitions station has it listed to buy.

[sharp crescent]

can anyone send me a raid build

[warm socket]

Thank you

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Ir5SAkegswOeXIpnreeiES1pFE-Vw6F2xQnUmf3s-Q/edit?usp=drivesdk

[sharp crescent]

thanks

[vague thunder]

trying to optimize my red build. just wondering what chc and chd should i aim for? 50/150

[hazy steeple]

If you have Coyotes on, 50-55 (no higher and 100% no lower), is good.
If no Coyotes: as close to 60 without going over as you can, as that's the hard cap.

[vague thunder]

yeah i got coyote on me.

guess i had to swap some attachment since currently its 46 chc 170 chd

[hazy steeple]

Using a ceska piece?

[vague thunder]

nope umbra plate

currently swap my mag to +20 and 1 attachment to chc on lexington

[shy willow]

to avoid mixups people generally refer to high ends by brand and slot rather than name

[patent fossil]

Ceska instead of grupo should let you move some crit around and squeeze a bit more chd out.
Also, make sure you've turned off the seasonal modifier when building for max crit, you want to make sure that gets added on after everything else since it bypasses the cap

[solar berry]

Imma be honest. I been my playstyle since div1

The same exact way I play destiny 2. Mainly dps and moving around.

I main hunter in destiny 2 for a reason

[strong cave]

thats fixing to be me today: all DPS. speedrunning xp

[vague thunder]

i see. okay then guess i will farm some ceska piece

[vague thunder]

noted. forgot about this

[solar berry]

I enjoy rushing through things in general. I don’t like waiting. I don’t like when people hold me back on a mission cuz they look at the small details. Even tho I’m tryna go go go.

[wild ridge]

Me frfr

[solar berry]

I try to speedrun, but I just speed through shi in general

If you know what I mean.

[strong cave]

ignore the talents and stuff as this is a PVP build but the same rules apply

build 1: grupo with 1 chc mod and 2 chd mods
build 2: ceska with 1 chc mod and 2 chd mods

big difference in output as you have to use 2 chc mods with grupo as opposed to ceska just 1. figured a visual representation would help with understanding

(yes, if you see me on this character with this setup in game, just know im either about to go pvp or was just doing pvp)

[wild ridge]

I like to do things efficiently, quickly, and aggressively.

If you're not pushing the enemy back and playing actively then you're not really helping much yk?

[strong cave]

my biggest pet peeve is casuals that take their time with this game, knowing theyve done the content over and over like I have. this game doesnt favor our time, instead demands it. loot is already diluted as is and things are always on a timer. i feel you on this

[vague thunder]

quick question on this build, for the armor piece etc how many chd and chc roll you have?

[strong cave]

everything is CHD on my gear

for the second attribute of course on ceska, its chc. same with coyote

[rich cosmos]

Division 2 really struggles with its endgame, because 80% of the time it doesn’t feel like your playing something to have fun, it feels like you are playing to finish a checklist

[strong cave]

literally how this game feels rn with dark zone. i JUST got into dz south, invaded, and already 2 cheaters running rampant. i was just tryna do landmarks man

"yup hes cheating, yup hes DEF cheating" its like when will this issue end 🤦‍♀️

[final valley]

what kind of builds are meant for the "Vile" mask?

[onyx sage]

status effect builds

[solar berry]

Same

[solar berry]

That’s me for many games. It’s wild to me. Your first sure. But I do everything solo on my own first like story and all. Then if I’m farming or done it before. Imma speed through, no ifs ands or buts

[solar berry]

Real

[hazy steeple]

We need a moral support build.

[wild ridge]

That's why even tho my solo clears are much less consistent than group clears, I prefer to run legendary solo because I can rely on myself, and won't get screwed by incompetent teammates.

[solar berry]

That’s FI with BTSU

[hazy steeple]

Harsh.

[vestal ibex]

That cuts deep

[wild ridge]

Good. You and dien were the main targets

[onyx sage]

this is so deep...

[solar berry]

I haven’t tried legendary strongholds solo yet. But it helps you better as a person. And if you mess up, you mess up

[onyx sage]

nah it's too hard for the average player

i would know

[solar berry]

I’m just to lazy to attend the challenge 😔

[wild ridge]

Nah I'm mostly talking about like matchmade people who toss their decoy on my position forcing me to reposition, even if I don't want to, or when someone triggers a wave early, forcing us to deal with more ads than necessary, or even 2$ builds that make no sense and drag the team down because they contribute nothing and still up enemy health pool

[solar berry]

Yea fr, if in a team, you rely on people to pull their weight and not throwing it on you.

[wild ridge]

Side note but I hate when people have terrible game sense or a bad build, then cry that theyre dying and when I give pointers they cry more lol. Another reason I play mostly solo

[solar berry]

But in general. In div1 I am a AB main. And AB is amazing for solo players. I wish I have the gearset in div2. And yes, I’m not talking about the upcoming exotic mask. When I say AB back in div2 from div1, the gear set itself.

[onyx sage]

i got a fella who challenged me to outdamage his ninjabike visionario with backfire build 💀

bro fell flat

[wooden finch]

does someone have a table with health/armor values for base NPCs?

[tranquil surge]

how to increase dps?

[solar berry]

I swear every time I say “AB gearset” people always think it’s a exotic mask for some weird reason

[onyx sage]

Atriker's Battlegear?

[solar berry]

Huh?

[onyx sage]

i just picked up the game yesterday, this is the only gearset i know

[solar berry]

I’m talking about Alpha Bridge the gearset that was introduced in div1

[onyx sage]

i know, you missed the sarcasm

[solar berry]

The 6pc was meant for solo players

[hazy steeple]

@tulip charm they're talking about you.

[solar berry]

I been an alphabridge abuser since the first day I got it back on div1 Xbox 😒

People always try to use green link on me to pick me up… if I go down… smh 🤦‍♂️

[wooden finch]

you’re not getting any use out of having a fifth striker piece. The D&H bag is also not great. Drop the bag for the strikers bag. Swap your chest for something like A Ceska piece with obliterate and swap one of the remaining 4 strikers pieces to another high end set, like fenris, grupo etc etc

[solar berry]

That green link don’t work on me

[patent fossil]

Ceska obliterate chest (no point in running more than 4pc of a gearset), grupo vigilance bag or striker bag with another good piece like coyotes mask

[solar berry]

Momento BP with ceska obliterate is 🔥

[tranquil surge]

i know i just don't have any another gear. In future will change, thanks.

[wooden finch]

PLEASE people its memento

[tranquil surge]

what crit chance, dmg rate is good?

[solar berry]

Aye bro, blame devs for naming it for April fools joke

Ngl. Momento sounds better than memento

[patent fossil]

Generally you want to balance it so crit damage is about double crit chance, although once you reach 60/120 you can put everything else in crit damage.

[onyx sage]

kettle spreading gospel

[patent fossil]

Other people write this stuff, I just preach it

[tranquil surge]

thanks

[wild ridge]

Valid crashout

[wild ridge]

Un momento

[wooden finch]

Its called memento because of the trophies, they are mementos of the hunters victims. Theres a story behind the name

[rich cosmos]

Its a play on the phrase memento mori

[hazy steeple]

Just remember "give me a momento, whilst I equip the Memento"

[quiet moth]

Good Afternoon. I know its a stretch but has anyone ever used/seen a viable end game seeker/sniper build?

[onyx sage]

sniper yes, seeker not really, both definitely no, because you'd be hybriding between skill damage and headshot damage

[quiet moth]

I just really love the skill aspect of the game. I'm not a really in your face type of player.

[wooden finch]

moreso what i said. Memento literally means an object kept as a reminder to a person or event” which is what both the trophies dropped on kill as well as the watches collected by the hunter are. Memento mori is not quite as connected id say

[onyx sage]

just know that at endgame you're really encouraged to be good at only one aspect

if you mean sniper turret instead of actual sniping then also no, sniper turret is one of the worst ones

[wild ridge]

Wdym I use clusters on my sniper build to push the enemies out of cover

[onyx sage]

sir

[wild ridge]

But I sniper with future perfect

[onyx sage]

sir

[wild ridge]

And three skill tiers

[quiet moth]

I'm just getting back in after 2 years. Right now I'm using an unlimited seeker build with 4 Hardwire and waveform. It's alot of fun but not seeing it viable past challeging.

[hazy steeple]

dont tell anyone, but i do the exact same thing, only with oxi on Strikers.

[vague thunder]

so i got the ceska obliterate and roll+optimize till max but im still unable to get the same stat as yours

[onyx sage]

what's your watch level?

[vague thunder]

is there any other place you put for chc cuz mine at 45 chc right now

[vague thunder]

1183

[onyx sage]

think this is correct, you have to put 1 chc mod instead of 1 chd mod to get 51

there was a crit brand nerf some time ago that makes you have to use 1 chc mod instead of all 3 chd mods

[vague thunder]

i see so its 3 chc and the rest is chd for all the gears?

so i got the chc 51 now but my chd is short 5% from his built

[onyx sage]

what's your gun?

[vague thunder]

okay nvm found it

[onyx sage]

cuz 5% sounds suspiciously close to what you would lose from a gun mod

[vague thunder]

yup thats the issue. i frgot st elmo have 15% chc

wait nvm i think thats not it since my lexington also 15chc

[patent fossil]

Something like this works well enough for solo heroic if you're a decent aim, the cooldown on the seekers would likely be painfully long though.

note that running it with turret and drone isn't particularly recommended, it's more of a training build to practice headshotting enemies while they flinch and duck

[vestal ibex]

Someone out there is crying cause you aren't hitting solo heroic enemies for 30 mil right now.

[patent fossil]

lot of room for manoeuvre in solo heroic 😛

[wild ridge]

Oooh

[patent fossil]

and if you can't one shot a named boss from full health, you just let the skills whittle them down a bit

[wild ridge]

That person is me

[vague thunder]

if anyone can figure this out do let me know. im just curious in maxing this build out. i got all chd mod for all gear, all chc mod for my gun and only 3 chc mod total (1 on coyote + 2 on ceska)

[onyx sage]

can you screenshot your build overview? like just the main screen showing all the pieces

[onyx sage]

this is the correct ratio

fifty probably shared a pic pre-ceska nerf

[vague thunder]

ahhh okay so that is inline with this

[onyx sage]

yes

[vague thunder]

okay2 cool now i can sleep in peace at 1am

[onyx sage]

lol

[strong cave]

Nah that was post nerf. It was right as I logged in

[onyx sage]

51/151 is the correct ratio tho

[strong cave]

Yeah, mine is 51/151 lol

[onyx sage]

oh, not sure what neurose was referencing

[strong cave]

Unsure. From my SS mine is 51/155. They're likely not full watch yet

I even threw on grupo as a comparison example as to why not to take it

[onyx sage]

that extra 4% is suspicious

[strong cave]

I'm pretty sure I turned my modifiers off. Might be improper stats or so

[onyx sage]

nah nah nah... the plot thickens

[strong cave]

Lemme double check

[vague thunder]

ohhh hell naw dont make me wake up at 1am

[onyx sage]

neurose you gotta wake up now

[strong cave]

I'm fkn certain my stuff is correct. Certain

[vague thunder]

i pray it was modifier

[onyx sage]

i just know 51/151 is correct for lexington + the usual striker

[strong cave]

51/156 yeah it's right to me. I'm holding Elmo

[onyx sage]

yeah elmo is the thing

[strong cave]

Lexington will be like 4% lower

[vague thunder]

but wasnt elmo chc only 15%?

[strong cave]

OKAY nvm Lexington is like 10 whole percent lower

[onyx sage]

chc is the same yes

elmo just has builtin chd

[vague thunder]

ahhhhh okay

[onyx sage]

i think that same patch also nerfed elmo mods from 20/20 to 15/15

[strong cave]

Lex, Elmo

Laptop gang wya?

[vague thunder]

yeah my stupid tired brain find difference in chc when i suppose to check chd

[strong cave]

Anyways yes those should be your stats with everything maxed out. Go to bed

I'm going back to carrying newbs thru strongholds 💀 my sanity is slipping from me

[verbal gust]

Was it just 1 day for the turmoil kneepads? I logged in about a week after. Kinda sucks man haha

[young notch]

should i go more red or more blue if im maxxed out on yellow on a support build

[patent fossil]

Yeah you had to be there, like Lexington. They're not that great though, especially after the nerf this season. Only useful in situations where you're doing way too much damage for the enemies and smoking everything in seconds

[peak cloud]

Ravenous fires 2 bullets per shot. Doesn't it essentially make it 2x dps rifle? Should be stronger compared to boomerang rifles?

[strong cave]

lol speaking of ravenous

so many fkn rogues outside rn 😭

[vestal ibex]

Just decon it, you don't even need it.

[strong cave]

i need it. i have to have it. for bragging rights

[peak cloud]

I almost want to do a blue core breaking point just to see if I can be tanky and hit these sweet 400% weapon damage for 15 seconds.

Would probably feel too janky. but it's such an unique gun...

[vestal ibex]

Yeah so it's armor plates...

[strong cave]

i farmed for a raid drop for 2 years. i have to extract this

quick update: we got it 😁

[dreamy valve]

I weirdly get a lot of pestilence drops in DZ

[strong cave]

next up on my bucket list is EB. Bighorn is eh

[dreamy valve]

Could use Sniper Turret

[warm socket]

Gl lol

[strong cave]

heheheheheh had to proof it 😂

[warm socket]

Wuuhuuu🤘🤘

[strong cave]

2 years for this moment 😭 2 whole years

[peak cloud]

Got to make a working build for thsi thing though. Going with just high end doesn't feel like doing justice to how weird this gun is.

[warm socket]

Fr💀😭

[strong cave]

ravenous is niche as hell BUT there is one build that i do have that does work in pvp. as well as pve if you play correctly

[warm socket]

Show me the secret Pls

[peak cloud]

Dunno. Didn't ful lauto turn it into a solid gun? I mean, with two bullets per shot isn't it doing solid damage all by iself?

[warm socket]

Need a ravenous Build lol

[strong cave]

bear in mind this isnt optimal in the least bit but hey ill give yall one

[warm socket]

Ight

[vestal ibex]

You'll love this clip

[strong cave]

okay. i wish i can deliberately say "f you"

[dreamy valve]

The slower rpm makes it less effective

[warm socket]

Bro What is this…….

[peak cloud]

Ah. I guess...

[tulip charm]

W

[warm socket]

What Are Those caches

[dreamy valve]

You really want to use Ravenous mainly for its explosive properties

[strong cave]

crit everywhere you can. AGAIN keep in mind, this is NOT efficient with pve. mostly pvp

[tulip charm]

Brooklyn caches from last season

[warm socket]

Oh yeah still need the Build

[peak cloud]

I heard it gives solid bonus armor on a blue build as well tho.

[warm socket]

Daaamn

[strong cave]

you can pve with this thing but please dont

[peak cloud]

Maybe I was misinformed.

[warm socket]

Imma pve it LMAO

[strong cave]

ehhhhhhhh i mean, sorta? the damage part of the talent is what you need to focus on

[dreamy valve]

U can, if you build around it, just know you’re trading more dps from it if you do

[peak cloud]

I guess. I still want to try it with blue breaking point. I just know it'll be a self-inflicted suffering.

[strong cave]

bear in mind crit damage isnt necessary. youll want more chc than anything. its the talent youll be spamming

[warm socket]

Ah okay

[strong cave]

these are my stats with it

[dreamy valve]

Crit damage improves the explosion damage for armor plating iirc

[strong cave]

i thought it was the stacks?

yk what ill literally test it rn why not

[dreamy valve]

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/ijzm52/the_real_secrets_of_the_ravenous/

[warm socket]

TEST PVE WITH IT:))

[tulip charm]

Yeah dttoc doesn’t affect the explosion damage

[dreamy valve]

Dtooc and dta doesn’t effect explosion damage but Damage to Health does

[strong cave]

i have. ive always swapped back to a normal striker build 😂

[solar berry]

But… you get mo mentos, as in every time you get kills, they drop lil mentos. mo you have, the better you are.

[warm socket]

Oh Nvm Then😂

I fr need a iron lung pvp Build Tho, im using Lemgo rn

[dreamy valve]

You could say you would be getting….Mementum

[strong cave]

ill take it 🤷‍♂️

and its max 😂

[onyx sage]

the REAL players use The Satiated

[dreamy valve]

I guess you can always recalibrate the third attribute

[strong cave]

shush, littlehorn

[strong cave]

just go umbra honestly. pretty much broken for pvp. or strikers with pve

[peak cloud]

Won't red hb be better than strikers?

[onyx sage]

no, striker still better

[warm socket]

Can you show me an umbra Build? To iron lung pvp

What is that red smg?

[strong cave]

okay so, on your average striker build with ceska and coyote, im seeing crits at 909k at max stacks. to the body of course. if i hit a named enemy 5 times, then swap shoulder, they get insta deleted

[verbal gust]

The ox pecker

[warm socket]

Oh Damn

[strong cave]

hold up my chc is low. had to disable modifiers. im now at the optimal level. lemme retest

[warm socket]

Ight

[warm socket]

Is it Any good?

[verbal gust]

Meh

[civic moth]

I am currently running a MP5 and a SOCOM MK16 any suggestions for better damage increase? I am lvl 25

[wooden finch]

what are the go to sniper builds rn

[warm socket]

Well that Said it all Aahaha

[civic moth]

TD2

[strong cave]

okay so with chc at 53% and CHD at 139%, im seeing crits around 865k and 900k. very inconsistent. this is with max stacks. just like the reddit post said, the chd plays a role with the damage

[wooden finch]

wanna remake mine cause its antique at this point

[warm socket]

Hmmm thats, somthing

[cosmic estuary]

I'm trying to get St. Elmo's Engine to drop. I played a couple hours of The Summit on Challenging last night and did not get a single exotic auto rifle. I have AR as the targeted loot. Am I doing something wrong or is there a better way to farm this weapon?

[wooden finch]

summit is gonna take a while

[warm socket]

St elmos? Ehhhh just go to ar area or countdown

[wooden finch]

its only a couple of % chance to drop from any named enemy, and even then itll take a while

[strong cave]

target loot AR on countdown. matchmake on challenging

[warm socket]

Yup

[wooden finch]

try countdown on challenging. If I remember correctly its at least 4 chances to drop, maybe 8 (im not sure if the hunters at the end work the same way with the droprates as their loot table isnt the same as regular named enemies)

[strong cave]

i got you. lemme swap

[warm socket]

Ight Bet

[strong cave]

oxpecker is junk dont use it. i just have it for collection

[warm socket]

Ah okay

[strong cave]

i actually got 2 iron lung builds you can try. 1 is meta, 1 is one that i built myself

[civic moth]

Hello

[young notch]

can i see my total repair skill % anywhere or do i just need to manually count it

[strong cave]

@warm socket

Umbra. pretty basic. crits everywhere you can. ignore my shield splinterer. this was pre-patch f2k

high end tardigrade setup. meant to be the anchor of the team. very hard to put down and the crits are insane on it

[warm socket]

Ight Bet lemme try

[wooden finch]

not % i dont think

but the healing number you can see in stats

[young notch]

okok

generally i should be aiming for like 210% repair skill right then dump haste? so like +110%

[feral anvil]

ninjabike? i didnt know i was in the presence of a chad.

[strong cave]

pvp setup. dont use this with pve. if you see ninjabike on a pve build, RUN

[feral anvil]

i always try to run from myself but i can never seem to get away... 🥀

that is literally the exact setup i use for my skill umbra solo build 😭 obviously swapped blue cores for yellow. it works pretty well but obviously it isnt completely optimal

[warm socket]

I still need the ninjabike - how to get fast?

[rich cosmos]

Countdown target farm backpacks

[warm socket]

Bet

[strong cave]

honestly you can ditch ninjabike and take this setup instead

add more blues where needed. this is my go-to conflict build

[warm socket]

Ah okay - Also work for dz?

[young notch]

what skills should i be using on high end content eclipse protocol builds like burn sticky and corrosive gas?

[solar berry]

Many ways to say it

[vestal ibex]

Corrosive gas? Typically with EP fire you run electriqe minor and vile. Fire sticky and fire starter chem.

[thorny kernel]

Hows this?

[violet juniper]

Fire sticky and foam

if you're going full fire, use fire sticky and the flammable gas launcher

[vestal ibex]

It's something.

[mint axle]

Why use an exotic that removes aggro when the point of using a shield is to draw aggro?

[vestal ibex]

I guess the first question is what's the purpose of the build?

[thorny kernel]

I'm kind of trying to be the tank of our group lol

[vestal ibex]

So you are trying to out live your team? This will do that then.

[thorny kernel]

I'm going to use Mosquito instead of Liberty to draw aggro onto myself, even if it's only one target at a time

Though i think it'd be more efficient to use two pieces from the new HE set i guess

Also, does the artificer even have a use for my shield? I've never really noticed it doing anything

[vestal ibex]

Having the new 100% aggo set up and on would be best and probably the only way to actually gain any "tank" status for what people typically consider a tank. Other than that I'd say foundry isn't really doing much other than selfish tank stuff. Vanguard, galvanize, coyotes, and such provide buffs for your team while you tank.

[vestal ibex]

It does a heal to it every x seconds(idk 10-15 or so idr).

imo if you are gonna force yourself to tank you should provide utility and support for your team too.

[thorny kernel]

What specialization would be best for a tank-ish build?

[subtle bluff]

Even then since we have a decoy with 100% I've pulled thread off of the decoy.
You can't pull threat and tank like in normal rpg.

Supporting. Go into the Gearsheet and read around chest and backpack talents.

Support tanking is a very different style of gameplay than normal.

[subtle bluff]

This is only one target that'll easily be focus down.

[thorny kernel]

Is there a named backpack with a 'perfect' version of galvanize?

My idea would be to slap that on, replace bulwark with crusader and slap Scorpio on

[mint axle]

I think aggro is what everybody gets wrong, we already have 100% aggro normally (otherwise nobody would be shooting at us), but it increases to 200%, just like an overcharged decoy with the new brand bonus, (or 50% if you are only using cloak from the new brand).

[subtle bluff]

It's all in the Gearsheet

[thorny kernel]

Which my phone still refuses to properly load at all

[subtle bluff]

Sorry what?
We don't have 100%. Our decoy yes does.
The issue still with threat tanking we have no idea how threat table works in this game. We know at some level doing dmg and no dmg is some or none.
I have pulled agro with an OC decoy out.

[subtle bluff]

You have the app or you trying to view it thru the web?

[thorny kernel]

Web

[subtle bluff]

DL Google sheets then view it.

[mint axle]

I think we have, if we follow the threat logic from the shield build from the division 1.

[thorny kernel]

Anyway i just realized i had a backpack with perfect galvanize flying around in my stash haha

[subtle bluff]

I doubt that's the same here. Having a shield doesn't generate enough threat.

[thorny kernel]

That's why I'm planning to use two pieces of the new HE set for the +100% threat

[subtle bluff]

I was reply to anna

[thorny kernel]

Oh oops

[wooden finch]

does the trauma knees count as a hit for a build like negotiators? so if I shoot someone with a crit, and trauma puts half that damage on another target, will that other target also get a negotiators mark?

[subtle bluff]

It halfs your bullet damage and transfer it to another target.

[wooden finch]

yes

[subtle bluff]

It does not hit another target.

[wooden finch]

so the answer is no?

[onyx sage]

the answer is no, it only affects the target you are shooting at with your actual bullets

[wooden finch]

dang, boring

[onyx sage]

it does not act further than that

[subtle bluff]

Lol your gonna half your damage anyways so it would be boring anyways.

[mint axle]

Damage ≠ hit, so no

[solar berry]

Welp. Time to test out my lil project 👀

[thorny kernel]

Okay, new tank build idea.

Scorpio, Crusader, Coyotes, Lavoisier, Pointman, Forge, 2x Imminence Armaments

[wooden finch]

well thats why i was talking about negotiators, its entire thing is dealing damage to several targets at once

[thorny kernel]

Probably putting all of that on blue cores

[wooden finch]

tank builds in general dont really work

[subtle bluff]

No.. You would half you're dmg dealt and wouldn't worth.

So the transfer with Nego would be half.

[onyx sage]

turmoil nerfs the single target damage, nego works off of that single target damage to apply that to the other marked enemies

you can see how it's bad

[subtle bluff]

Like your fully nerfing half your dmg for one or 2 more transfer damage.

[onyx sage]

and sure, turmoil makes the other half go to someone, but nego doesn't care about that damage

[solar berry]

It would be more useful if it synergies more well like even if it hits an enemy around the target, applies the mark as well. But as for now, it’s not the case sadly

[onyx sage]

yeah because turmoil isn't implemented as bullet damage, just like nego itself

[subtle bluff]

Even if it did it not good.

[solar berry]

ND proc marks from turmoil and Strega marks as well 👀 that would not go hard asf? Together

Imagine if striker double up due to turnmoil. Chest would be more viable in the long run.

[subtle bluff]

Let's say I crit for a 1mill for nego that 3 mill in total of output dmg. (3 marked)

Turmoil halfs that dmg to 500k then to 1.5 mill total. Then let's say it marks another target 2.5 mill in total you're down in dmg dealt.

[onyx sage]

actually 1 mil and 3 mill total

[solar berry]

I’m just saying, if turnmoil did work with synergies. It will be more viable to use. Set of a headhunter determined build for it.

[subtle bluff]

Derp brain thought 3.

[solar berry]

Turnmoil always split your overall dmg per hit. Aka 50/50 of said dmg number

Most your gonna get from turmoil rn. Is like I said, headhunter determined build since you already do millions of dmg already. Before the 50% dmg split happens

[onyx sage]

good luck building your stacks up

[solar berry]

How is it hard?

You can easily swap piece around. Gain stacks and slap on turmoil right after. When you have determined proc and on standby. If that’s the case

[subtle bluff]

I only use Turmoil when carrying and being able to stack striker chest easily.
Pretty now only in Kelso master and some leggo. But I use nego now in places where I'd use Striker Turmoil.

[solar berry]

Striker don’t double dip stacks when using turmoil

[subtle bluff]

Pretty much the only way is hotswaping when you've stacked all the way.

[onyx sage]

yeah sounds like a good gameplay experience for an average player

[solar berry]

If it did, chest would be be more viable than now in the dust, unless it’s raids and harder content

[subtle bluff]

Again I only used it to help carry dps. I pretty much only use it in keslo with modifiers on.
I use nego for everything else because I'm able to output more dmg reliability.

[onyx sage]

i'm just saying the idea of using it to start with then swap after is something they're trying to discourage. i doubt they will let this happen and it just feels very bad to have to do this
juggle in real combat

[solar berry]

Imagine. With Strega… o boy. Turnmoil would shine hard with ND.

[solar berry]

If you really struggle to get stacks with HH. That’s your work around it.

[subtle bluff]

Nah because if that wording would be the same got ND afterwards then ND would be using Strega.

[solar berry]

Other than that’s it’s simply called skill issue not to gain stacks with it

[solar berry]

They both need to apply a mark to receive their buffs/stacks

[onyx sage]

i mean if you call hotswapping a piece after you build stacks good gameplay then idk what else to say, it just takes away your time actually shooting the enemy. i know people do it for speedruns and stuff but it's something speedrunners do

[solar berry]

It works hand and hand tbh

[solar berry]

I just said if you need to swap to trunmoil to use it after you gain stacks. It’s skill issue. Am I not clear enough?

[onyx sage]

your grammar isn't helping so no...

i literally don't understand which part is skill issue, the building stacks part or the hotswapping part

[solar berry]

Thanks, can you be my grammar AI teacher for now on?

[onyx sage]

because for building stacks, 50% off of your bullet damage and with 0 hh damage isn't really a skill issue as much as a numbers issue

[proper marten]

Is there any use for System Corruption?

Like, for literally anything?

[subtle bluff]

Niche PvP builds.

[proper marten]

Seeing as I don't do PvP this will not be an issue

[peak cloud]

Problem with headhunter build is convincing self not to use a headhunter build after getting a gist of it.

One-hit popping heads is just too addictive.

[proper marten]

It really is.

Especially during Reanimated.

[peak cloud]

But in some content this build just doesn't belong, and this fact hurts me.

[solar berry]

People use turnmoil HH off rip without swapping around gear. And do perfectly fine. I done it with my pistol build after I dismantled it. Cuz I don’t like ease of use from HH. When I have determined proc and HH stacks. It’s very smooth sailing.

[subtle bluff]

Imagine trying to get HH stacks only out putting 50% of you dmg.

[onyx sage]

before HF came out i had a meme HH build using 3pc syscor for some healing

[solar berry]

It’s very easy to do

[subtle bluff]

Fully stacked?

[onyx sage]

idk if you've done legendary or master but...

[peak cloud]

In 4 people leg?

[solar berry]

Yes

You think a solo farm build do great in 4 man legendary? 👀

[subtle bluff]

I feel like a challenge is calling me hut the range will work.

[onyx sage]

well idk, that's our benchmark

[proper marten]

Me, using a Headhunter build:

The Hyena Rusher to my immediate 11 o'clock:

[solar berry]

A build meant purely for solo farming. Is benchmark for legendary?

[onyx sage]

you literally can take a good old 4p hotshot and do legendary, and it's a farming build, so idk what your point is

[solar berry]

So all builds in the game is technically is considered trash if you put it that way

[proper marten]

Man, I just play what works and is fun.

[solar berry]

That’s what I’m saying. A cheesy solo farm build with turmoil is fun asf. But also boring cuz of the ease of use for it

I don’t have to rely on my builds exceeding 4 man legendary all the time. That isn’t the baseline benchmark for many builds in the entire game

[subtle bluff]

Farming what content?

[onyx sage]

all i'm saying is you sing its virtues too high

[onyx sage]

this one for example is missing a lot of context. who is "people"? what is "perfectly fine"?

[peak cloud]

Dunno, I love ot take hh into leg missions. Without turmoil of course. But... I dunno. Power creep is real. I wonder if with the tinkerer, and streamline, and full expertise... Who knows.

[solar berry]

Any. I’ve done the Shepard farm with that build. I was massively going through ranks with it.

[subtle bluff]

Okay... Difficulty...

[solar berry]

Challenging

[subtle bluff]

At that level almost any build is viable.

[buoyant perch]

You don't farm with heroic 5 directives?

[solar berry]

It’s just a simple farm build that is good.

[proper marten]

Fun > Effectiveness

[solar berry]

2 at most. But Shepard event don’t play any factors into directives

[subtle bluff]

We're not against him using it. Just the way he was explaining it.

Building HH stacks with Turmoil on isn't a Skill it's depend on the content you're on.

[solar berry]

I get my explanation is bad. But atleast I don’t rely on 4 man legendary for my builds 24/7

[onyx sage]

i mean we don't have to go to 4 man legendary for it, we're just using that because we know turmoil absolutely gets wrecked with that.

our problem is the way you say it's the second coming of jesus

[buoyant perch]

Well for farming I usually think of heroic 5 directives

[solar berry]

You think a simple solo farm build is good in high end content is wild asf to me

[subtle bluff]

No it's your context your are stating your facts your not doing well.
I am not good at English either but I keep in mind what context and what is relevant it's too.

[onyx sage]

yes, aka missing context

[solar berry]

I never been good at English ok. ASL was my first language and I had late speech growing up.

Also I am not a social person. Of that plays a factor in how I type out sentences or whatever the case may be

[onyx sage]

i get that it is good for you and your use cases, but you need to say if it's good, what it's good in, because it's good info to have so not any person will just blindly use it anywhere

this is a build advice channel after all, people come here for advice

[subtle bluff]

It's fine I'm ESL technically. Just need to slow down and be thoughtful with your words. I mess up a lot too.

[solar berry]

In school I always barely pass English. My worst of all subject in my entire life since elementary. You think I will get better after 10-12 years of it 😔

[subtle bluff]

Think of it like this. The way you kind of said it is why NBB is OK for solo lower difficulty but we don't suggest it because at heroic and group play it hits a limit.

[subtle bluff]

It depends on a lot don't worry about it. As long has you keep on learning small things you'll get slowly better.

[onyx sage]

basically avoid the "it works for me" rhetoric

[subtle bluff]

It's also why I have a lot of clips posted in these builds channels.

[solar berry]

Turmoil at the end of the day is situational. But all I can say it’s good on HH determined build for solo farming.

I never once said it’s so good in 4 man legendary.

I’m done with this convo.

[onyx sage]

that's fine, all we need to know is where it's good in, and you've been implying it instead of saying it explicitly.

that's all i have issues with

[solar berry]

You said you go off of baseline for builds in 4 man legendary. I don’t wanna hear it. You just proved majority of builds is considered bad asf in general.

We all run trash builds 24/7 due to that statement

[onyx sage]

no, you showed a build without showing what context the build is good in, so i just use an example where the build is not good in to show my point

if you use it to paint the picture that i don't care about any build that doesn't perform under 4 man legendary, it's just a strawman

i use 4 man legendary because literally like only a handful of builds work in there

it's an easy example to use

does that mean i only use those handful of builds when i go farming? hell no

[solar berry]

You know a very small percentage of players barely run legendary in the first place. How is it a benchmark?

[onyx sage]

it's my benchmark, but what i'm saying is if you don't attach a benchmark to your example, then you're vulnerable to being examined by just about any benchmark

you also never mentioned if the build was a "solo farming" build to begin with. it only surfaced when i challenged your viewpoint

[zenith plover]

How do i put survivability with a hotshot build but just enough not to get 1 shotted and keep on 1 tapping enemies?

[solar berry]

I mean. I said many times in this discord I’m a solo player like 90% of my time in games. Me being a solo player have way more leeway on builds than I do in 4 man legendary content

[onyx sage]

and the average player looking in this channel has 0 context of this

[buoyant perch]

Pvp or PvE? You can't get oneshotted in the first place in PvE.

[solar sable]

you don't or you'll lose lots of dmg.
You may be able to run Memento but idk if it's optimal enough

[onyx sage]

you've seen new people coming in asking the most random questions that we had answers to literally 5 messages above. they don't know or care what we mention before

anyways i think i'm coming off a bit harsh and pedantic so i'll stop here. sorry for making a fuss

[peak cloud]

You aim as good as you can and take targets with one shot in order to stay alive.

[solar berry]

So I will say this every time for now on. “Yo I’m a solo player and this is good for _______” but very trash in 4 man legendary content

[peak cloud]

Hotshot mmr is a definition of dead enemies do not shoot back.

[thorny kernel]

Alright. How about this for a tank build? Backpack, Chest and Holster are the named Lavoisier, Pointman and Forge

[solar berry]

Is that better? For you

[onyx sage]

basically that but without saying trash in <insert some hard stuff here>

[peak cloud]

Although, tip of the spear makes it easier to deal with chungas... Or used to. No idea avbout new dffamage numbers.

[onyx sage]

"good in solo heroic" works just fine, no more no less for example

[zenith plover]

Point taken so all red it is hahahahha

[solar berry]

Solo builds for 50%+ of the time isn’t viable in 4 man legendary content. So it’s very trash in that area

[solar sable]

yeah, most if not all hh buddies run all red because it's needed for bosses or legendary even

[peak cloud]

You can just take off a turmoil and boom, it's good enough for a lot of legendary content.

[zenith plover]

Also leaning towards to armor regen and armor on kill builds with enough dps, any recos?

[solar sable]

regen is often used for PvP and not pve

[zenith plover]

Agreed

[thorny kernel]

Idk if AoK is really that worth it, iirc it's barely 10k armor per kill?

[zenith plover]

So basicaally its best to have a dps and armor on kill for pve then?

[buoyant perch]

It also depends on how many people there are. Solo you can take some blue cores. Swift soloed legendary with 1 (IIRC) blue core.

[solar sable]

if you're a dps player then it'll keep you alive if you're constantly killing enemies

[onyx sage]

%aok is worth it, mod aok (the one that is a flat number) isn't

[solar berry]

Imma update my discord name in this server make it more clearer for people

[zenith plover]

Tha ks

[solar berry]

Is this better for you?

90% solo

[onyx sage]

that's your choice lol

[solar sable]

it now fits in my screen without (...) in it

[subtle bluff]

Just use a crossbow vs a whole build for them.

[peak cloud]

What do you mean a whole build? It's just a normal headhunter build.
With only difference of being able to whip out a buffet TAC when needed. Still fun and effective, I ran it alot before hotshot and determined.

[vestal ibex]

Got a build for 4 man normal?

[onyx sage]

there's only like 5 builds that are good for it

[subtle bluff]

Hold on then, what's the context of this comment then..

[strong cave]

Yes it works, just add a few blues if needed

[dreamy valve]

Stress test it in the first room of Parnell Manhunt Master Climax mission

[vocal spoke]

Who can show me the build for the start of the incursion with the oxidizer pls

[onyx sage]

@subtle bluff

[subtle bluff]

You should be able to Search this channel for "Oxi Build" and you'll find a full guide for it.

[hot bluff]

Hello guys I have a question. Why I do no damage in legendary mission? I have 278k damage on primary weapon

[thorny kernel]

Should i stick to Lavoisier and Pointman on this or should i put the normal versions of their talents on a backpack and chest that gives a fitting set bonus?

[subtle bluff]

Stop trying to do Legendary, you're only SHD 16.
Get a real build first and work your way up the difficulty, instead starting with the hardest first.
Builds are in the Pinned Messages in the GDoc

[strong cave]

bro really said "striker is boring" and recommended this build to the whole group... 💀

def a KVD build

not me at shd 14k telling him his DPS is a joke bc the other striker kiddies already cleared the room 😭

[subtle bluff]

where are you?

[hot bluff]

Ok thank you, what is Gdoc

[subtle bluff]

Google Doc

[strong cave]

google docs

@subtle bluff currently farming prio objectives and xp. ive been at this since 11:00. its now 17:36 for me 😭

[hot bluff]

And where I Can find it?

[strong cave]

local would be proud of this if it was survivalist and had a yellow core backpack

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages on the brower the top right of the chat 📌
Mobile you need tap the channel then go to Pinned

[strong cave]

check the pins, top right corner of chat. on mobile, what chow said

[hot bluff]

Thanks for the help

And gg

[subtle bluff]

btw to answer this quesiton more in-depth the Elite "Yellow" guys in Legendary have a total of 14mill HP

[thorny solstice]

I run similar build for countdown:
Pointman, Lavoiser, Catharsis and imporovised pieces (CHH/CHD) All armor cores.
PFE mods.
Team will be happy and extraction rate is pretty much perfect.

[hot bluff]

Wow

[urban latch]

trust me, teammates do not care that your giving them a bit of bonus armor, actually helping kill ads is what matters

[subtle bluff]

Or support them in a way so the team can do DPS to kill ads.

I don't advice/promote how to do support tanks because it's more about your gameplay then the build itself.

[thorny solstice]

If that was pointed to me, then i have done way too many contdowns.. ive played with all red striker many times.
But in the end, if i compare failures and wins, then having well built and played P-vanguard and P-galvanize in the team is too good.

[subtle bluff]

mostly me being lazy becuse it's just take too long to explain it all

[onyx sage]

only 1.3k shd and calling striker boring when bro probably never played striker in legendary

[subtle bluff]

Countdown is very different from the rest of the end-game content.

And we won't disagree someone having Vanguard and Galvanize for the extraction on Heroic CD isn't helpful.
Momo is trying to figure it out for group missions.

[urban latch]

dont complain when your kicked

[subtle bluff]

Raucey tbf the level of players in CD these days is really sad.

[strong cave]

its sad that my 14k shd makes up more levels than the entire team combined

[thorny solstice]

Pretty much all divtubers promote it for "easy" loot farm and considering the amount of new players we have, then thats not surprising.

[subtle bluff]

Why we don't not promote or agree with almost all of the content creators out there for builds.

[charred eagle]

Anyone could help me or point me in the right direction for a legendary content build ?

[strong cave]

if that was the case id be married to the concrete in both pve and pvp

[charred eagle]

Have builds for every content but legendary or masters lol

[subtle bluff]

Mostly the same. We don't have super specfic builds for Master and Leggo.

[charred eagle]

What would those builds be? Assuming strikers mostly

[buoyant perch]

So you do agree?

[subtle bluff]

to what?

[buoyant perch]

you don't see the double negative?

[onyx sage]

you probably meant to say "do not" or "don't" rather than "don't not"

[onyx sage]

he's a grandpa, cut him some slack 💀

[buoyant perch]

[subtle bluff]

I mean it sounds right say I say it out loud but sure. 😐 ESL hell

[near elm]

What does 100% increased threat do?

[subtle bluff]

You become a walking Decoy to be simple.

[near elm]

Does it affect you negatively playing solo?

[cerulean smelt]

if you ever played MMORPGs it's just a way to taunt in game, which the game lacks aside now the new brandset and one pistol

[subtle bluff]

When and why would you use a Decoy?

[near elm]

It's not about using a decoy it's the 2p boost on imminence armaments

[cerulean smelt]

if you're solo whoelse would they focus on aside captains when you take over control points or hostages

[onyx sage]

if you're playing solo, threat is irrelevant

[near elm]

Thanks

[thorny kernel]

Is this a good Scorpio roll?

[fading kettle]

So i just came back after a long ass break obviously cause of the DLC , i would like some advice on what to go for a great all round build most of my build seems to be out of date even tho they were kinda maxed out for the time back when.. i dont know if spread burn can still be upgraded in a way cus i cannot even clear heroic anymore . my Smg Crit build just feels dead for anything thats remotely difficult im a bit at a lose i checked out the Doc for builds but it feels like im reading chinese hope someone can give me a path to go chase thx for reading! have a good one yall!

[subtle bluff]

They are not out of date. Nothing has change to effect the builds.

[cerulean smelt]

about one change that'd make the burn build a little underwhelming might be a modifier

[subtle bluff]

Posting your current build for more context would help us understand what's going on

[cerulean smelt]

btw: long ass time meaning how long? remember what you played last? what's your level?

[zenith plover]

Is 45 to 50% crit chance a good base line?

[solar sable]

oh yeah, get as close to 60% as you can

[slender cloak]

is kingbreaker still top AR choice for heartbreaker?

[subtle bluff]

no. m4 or p416

[slender cloak]

oh really? perfect flatline doesn't edge it out? the spreadsheet looks like kingbreaker is higher dmg:mag

[subtle bluff]

DPS. it loses.

[cyan drift]

thoughts?

52/146 on capacitor, infinite smart covers was the idea

[fading kettle]

i would have done that but im not online but its an old patrick wolf build XD

[hearty owl]

Truly a rare sight to see you wear PGC. 🫡

[cyan drift]

two inches of dust came off it

buy hey, if the shoe fits

[scarlet bone]

Should i give this piece a chance??

i’ve always thought there is potential for the Cherished chest piece (perfect trauma), i tried farming for one with double crit so i can change the blue attribute to red but didnt get lucky so far.

tried looking for it online but nobody had any builds for it, it feels like no one uses that piece and i wanna give it a chance🤷‍♂️

the build is alright but i still feel like something is missing and there is room for improvement, dps is around 4-4.5 mil per second, 60% CHC and 190% CHD

any suggestions for improvements? or any opinions at all?

should i ditch it and wait till they give it a buff or smth cuz it feels like there are a lot of better options

[shy willow]

trauma is just no good

you trade a huge source of damage for bleed (useless status effect) and/or blind (semi useful status effect) and it has a mega long cooldown

That and youre running bloodsucker and AWD brands which will further lower your damage

[urban latch]

its also going to conflict with elmos since you can only apply 1 status at a time

[rich cosmos]

So many talents that are cool that suffer the fate of too long of a cooldown

[shy willow]

its funny cuz in descent a lot of garbo talents become diabolically good with some stat boosts

[scarlet bone]

exactly whats ruining it for me tbh

but anyway thanks for the opinions i appreciate it

[verbal gust]

Still can’t get that blue screen I’ve gotten 4 iron lungs though from countdown in 1 run tho 😛

[scarlet bone]

try black tusk heroic bounties

[verbal gust]

Ooooooooo ok il give it a try ty

[acoustic epoch]

What is the best talent for lexington in pvp? Is it still optimist?

For a basic crit build, that is

[verbal gust]

I use streamlined for eveything esp Lexington. You got 5% base damage increase right? Then 42% damage on top of that with no skills on cooldown so 47% extra damage it’s a better LUD in my opinion.

[spice pier]

do 15% increased outgoing healing of survivalist works with refractor healing?

[verbal gust]

It should work yeah

[hexed steppe]

use oxi as your feedback loop trigger instead of shield

[hexed steppe]

i dont think so. its supposed to be based on skill damage done. im not 100 tho, so it is worth testing

[subtle bluff]

I just hate wording of healing it's like the only time it's ever used.

[zenith plover]

should i max headshot damage or damage out of cover? im using a hotshot build?

[spice pier]

how to test it?

[hexed steppe]

get in a group. goto range. have friend damage self with button , deploy skill , measure repair with and without survivalist. avoid testing with tech since its got a free skill tier and stuff

[subtle bluff]

Use the range. Get a skill that does a set dmg. Use the self dmg there to see.

[hexed steppe]

its outgoing healing so i think needs a group, may not impact self

[subtle bluff]

Also come let us know afterwards

I don’t have a refactor set I think on me to test.

[hexed steppe]

let me know if you need a test dummy

[subtle bluff]

Should be able to solo test it

[verbal gust]

That’s incoming healing not outgoing tho no?

[hexed steppe]

outgoing healing makes me think not self

[hexed steppe]

nvm, reread it better

[spice pier]

which skills to use on self test? most of them repairs full armor

[cyan drift]

just use the healing on yourself while damaging yourself in the range

usually makes a noticeable difference unless it's full armor every tick

[subtle bluff]

take off some some skill teirs

[hexed steppe]

maybe sniper turret

[subtle bluff]

Let me see if I have enough pieces

[hexed steppe]

just craft

doesnt matter the rolls since its the spec youre testing

[subtle bluff]

yup doing that.

Nerfing and using a NBB for a build for testing!

[verbal gust]

Yeah I did but healing yourself is incoming healing i thought…

[subtle bluff]

Well we'll have to test that so maybe a point

[hexed steppe]

youre right, i had read you wrong before

[subtle bluff]

it's how to find the Heal amount

[verbal gust]

Oh understood. Np dude just trying to figure stuff out too had a long long break need a refresher every once in a while. Ty brother

[spice pier]

on self testing looks like survivalist not doing anything

[subtle bluff]

Ya it looks the same

[hexed steppe]

i think my first gunner just got a little extra damage, why #2 sets. all rest were same

[subtle bluff]

all sniper shots from 0 armor.

[hexed steppe]

welcome back

just needs group test now

[subtle bluff]

Who's joining?

[verbal gust]

Thank you 🙏 I appreciate you.

[hexed steppe]

so nah, only ways to increase refactor are with chest and higher damage skills and buffs like using cap/tsd/team buffs to skill

i think its safe to say skill repair is also no effect.

[subtle bluff]

Yea we know it doesn't work

[hexed steppe]

gotcha

[subtle bluff]

Also it's they receive repairs

[young notch]

foam ensnare can be spread?

[subtle bluff]

With EP yes.

[shy willow]

Refactor directly scales off your skill damage

[subtle bluff]

We can say Only scales now

[young notch]

What cc cant be transmitted?

Or status effects

[shy willow]

All can

Shock, disrupt, blind, ensnare, fire, bleed etc

[subtle bluff]

Do I need to post EP again for you?

[young notch]

Cool thanms

I was always under the assumption that foam wouldnt because of the game object surrounding the actor

[shy willow]

Any status effect will transfer

[hexed steppe]

-# obligatory: what about pesti

ill see myself out 👴

[shy willow]

Debuff old man

[young notch]

Its just not considered a debuff in the game code right?

[onyx sage]

it is a debuff, just not a status effect, EP only considers status effects

[limpid night]

what stats is best to focus on, im not sure what to do for a build., rpm or damage, should i focus on shields?

[hazy steeple]

The build itself will inform what stats you have on it.
First ask yourself: what do you want the build to be able to do, and at what distance.

[hexed steppe]

check the pinned spreadsheet in this channel

[limpid night]

i typically dont have the band width to min max but i love this game

[hexed steppe]

striker, eclipse fire, refactor, heartbreaker cover a wide range. striker is applicable to all content and is a very strong first choice

i would suggest mortar but you gonna need a lot of patience to summit that learning curve.
-# Mortar Supremacy

[limpid night]

what does a striker focus on?

[hexed steppe]

damage, crit chance to 50ish range , crit damage after that. the guides on spreadsheet have a detailed breakdown

[limpid night]

and can you upgrade a weapon

i like the one im using id rather not get rid of it

[hexed steppe]

it runs well with ar or lmg. the biggest hurdle is getting that chance high enough. striker will look like this, probably obliterate talent on the chest instead of glass to start tho. gunner spec to start , tech or firewall also good

the sheet also has a weapon list where you can see other weapons and see what has higher dps. what weapon?

[limpid night]

kingbreaker

[subtle bluff]

It's not good.

[shy willow]

Unfortunately not good

[young notch]

Measured assembly works off los or projectiles entering the radius?

[hasty sluice]

funny ammo count gun

[verbal gust]

“When the striker goes on, the enemies are gone”

I just cc everything with blue screen and melt it with my max gamble stacks ez pz

[hasty sluice]

Phakan with OG is quite fun

[fathom brook]

shoutout to who made the bluescreen dilemma build doc in the pins, absolute blast to play doin big numbers and I love a lil off support in groups

I was hoping to find something that wasn't typical striker setups and this does not disappoint in the slightest

[verbal gust]

Aye I’m using blue screen with ongoing right now maxing my expertise I’m running a wicked backpack with catalyst mask it’s at half its power when the mask is fixed it’s going to hit suuuuoer hard.

[hasty sluice]

CHD would be the best roll for Phakan due to its 15% CHC part correct?

[onyx sage]

i mean no?

if you think about how chc is usually distributed as half of chd in this game, you'll realize how 10% chd is terrible in terms of value to 9.5% chc

[hasty sluice]

Well it lacks the CHD you would get from weapons

[onyx sage]

you get chd from everywhere else

you'd rather get chc from guns if possible because the value of chd from guns is so terrible

9.5% chc is equivalent to 19% chd. if you're not getting that much then it's straight up worse

[hasty sluice]

Phakan

carnage

[onyx sage]

you have chc rolls anywhere you can change to chd?

[hasty sluice]

I can change my chest to CHD

[onyx sage]

pretty sure you do because OD doesn't come with chc

yeah, this way you squeeze as much crit as possible

[hasty sluice]

only issue is that it my carnage hits to 53% CHC

new phakan

[subtle bluff]

I'm gonna have to update it too with more info and playstyle.

[hasty sluice]

If I dont run CHD on phakan should I just run DTA?

[onyx sage]

you can

rate of fire also good, and more universal

[hasty sluice]

ehhh it only had 600 so its not gonna boost it that much

[onyx sage]

it's always a 5%

doesn't matter how much actual rate of fire you have, because you don't have any rof% right now your dps increases by 5% always

it's like taking your damage and increasing it by 25%, going from 800 to 1000 is the same as going from 1mil to 1.25mil, it's still 25%

[hasty sluice]

dps increases by 5% always
debatable due to changing stats. It might not always be a 5% dps boost.

[onyx sage]

well burst dps is 5% increase, that's what i'm referring to

compared to having no attribute vs 5% rof attribute on pakhan, your burst increases by 5%

do you think dta increases your damage by 6% for example?

[hasty sluice]

Not exactly.

[onyx sage]

exactly, it has the same caveats, rof doesn't boost your overall damage by 5% because reload time is unaffected, just like how dta doesn't affect every enemy

you gotta judge by the universality of these attributes, but rof is usable everywhere, even if it's not 5% always

[hasty sluice]

Bullet king 2

got a roll with +10.5% mag size

[fathom brook]

oh that would be awesome, I'd love to learn more about it to make it even more effective

[subtle bluff]

imo it's only really great on heroic and up. With less HP target is just better to use something else.
I carry a good amount leggo with it.

[hasty sluice]

Its funny as its less of help with burst but more of a boost to sustain. At max stacks of phakan I kill the test range group 2 seconds faster than with my carnage due to the lack of reload.

[onyx sage]

i mean yeah, mag damage is also important, and some of the time it's more relevant

it's why elmo is sometimes the best choice for AR over the other ARs even if it loses in burst

my advice is just weigh against the big 3 pillars for DPS: burst, sustain, mag; every good DPS sheet will show all 3 of these for you to compare

[hasty sluice]

Carnage > better dps. phakan > great sustain.

I think I have my new OG setup