td2-build-advice

[solar sable]

yep, just like it is

[rough thistle]

Alr

[solar sable]

btw striker pieces need CHD on them

try to get as close to 60% CHC as you can also

something in between 52-57% is okay

[subtle bluff]

maybe it's my turn to make the build

[peak meadow]

Yes

[subtle bluff]

crafting I go

[rough thistle]

Doomz I can’t change this one?

[solar sable]

keep

you can't recalibate because you haven't extracted any attributes from gloves

oh wait no

[shy willow]

Recal icon is already there so my guess is he already rolled the minor

[solar sable]

yup

[solar sable]

let me be dumb for a bit

[shy willow]

[solar sable]

You can only recalibrate one thing at a time, you can't do it on several slots per item, only one

[rough thistle]

It’s Core 10.8% and attributes 10.6 isn’t that bad ? Or will it get better when I upgrade my watch lvl

[solar sable]

watch gives you bonuses, yes, but not to your library

you have to extract higher rolls to optimize that slot to its max

[subtle bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67BKp4dPlIQ&list=PLCBIQre8iMUIxQkiCIQ1qVkyhes3ciYC-&index=1&t=1647s

[solar sable]

the little arrow that stands right below the attribute's bar, indicates if you have it extracted on your library and what percentage you have stored

[rough thistle]

My CHC is only 20

[timber dagger]

What bag is this?

[minor grove]

Birdie quick fix from last season master mission

[timber dagger]

Oh ok thanks

[rough thistle]

So if I want my weapon damage at 15% I need to find a backpack form striker from 15%? And then extract it to my backpack that I’m using ?

[minor grove]

Any backpack but yes

[solar sable]

what he said ↑

[subtle bluff]

Watch the video I linked you it'll explain it better than us

[minor grove]

Same for all equipment, knees, holsters guns classes etc they are all separate “classes” but any gearset will work

[subtle bluff]

since you'll see what he's talking about in the video

[rough thistle]

Oh

[subtle bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67BKp4dPlIQ&list=PLCBIQre8iMUIxQkiCIQ1qVkyhes3ciYC-&index=1&t=1647s

[rough thistle]

Why can I not upgrade the glove to 15 when this is already max

[peak meadow]

It's very good

[white pollen]

what does the screen look like when you're modifying the strikers gloves?

[subtle bluff]

If used in the right build and place.

[rough thistle]

This

[white pollen]

my bad - just saw that

If you hover over the other attribute, are you able to modify it? Just curious

[rough thistle]

Yes

[white pollen]

Did you optimize the weapon dmg by chance?

I wonder if optimizing the attribute makes it so you can no longer roll it?

[subtle bluff]

I tried to point to a video to explain it to him... He won't watch it...

[white pollen]

(Assuming you didn't modify the critical hit chance attribute - though, I don't see the icon displayed in the ui that would indicate you have rolled CHC)

oh lmao

[rough thistle]

So you mean I can only optimize the core one time?

[white pollen]

No. You can optimize the core as much as you have materials for

Honestly it looks like you rolled CHD - I'm assuming these pictures are not all "in sync", in that you made changes in between snapping screenshots

[subtle bluff]

@rough thistle How to Trinker

[timber dagger]

@peak meadow for what specific legendary mission scenario?

[solar sable]

I would like to eat the first R in trinker cause I'm hungry

[subtle bluff]

All in a team.

[white pollen]

You're confusing optimization with recalibration.

[peak meadow]

Sufficient DPS section but no survivability

You don't take damage

[rough thistle]

Idk man I’m lost

[subtle bluff]

@rough thistle How to Trinker WATCH THE VIDEO IT'LL HELP.

[peak meadow]

@timber dagger It turns out that if your DPS section believes they cannot die, they will just start outputting a LOT of damage

[timber dagger]

@peak meadow can u send me any video

[white pollen]

See in this photo, how you can use 'X' to recalibrate, and 'square' to optimize?

[peak meadow]

My friend is streaming right now, you can watch me in it

I'll DM you the stream

[timber dagger]

Ok thanks

[rough thistle]

I think I got it maybe I can only change the core or the attribute not both so I gotta find atleast one that is maxed alrezdy?

Thanks to the video if I’m not wrong

[white pollen]

You can optimize as much as you want. Once you recalibrate a attribute, you can always go back and re-calibrate that specific attribute on that piece of gear, as many times as you want - but you can't recalibrate any other attribute on that same piece of gear. You can optimize all of them, as much as you want. But once you recalibrate an attribute, you can only ever re-roll that attribute moving forward.

That's why 'weapon damage' can't be recalibrated. You recalibrated the attribute that is now Crit Hit Dmg.

But you can optimize both of them freely.

[rough thistle]

No it’s chd

[white pollen]

oh, sure. yeah, you get it

[rough thistle]

So I’m also not wrong in this I can change core as many times I want but can’t change normal attribute

Depends what I did core or normal att

[white pollen]

They're treated the same, what matters is once you pick one, no other attribute/core/talent on that piece of gear can be recalibrated.

[rough thistle]

Yeah true I get that

Soo if I want to max out them both weapon damage and chd atleast one of them needs to be maxed already ?

[white pollen]

No, I am guessing you don't have a max CHD to recalibrate to?

You can recalibate to whatever maximum val you have available in your libary

[rough thistle]

Yeah but I can’t change the weapon damage anymore so I still can change the cdh over and over again

[white pollen]

You can optimize it

But you cannot recalibrate it. Optimizing will increase the value by small amounts to eventually hit max

[rough thistle]

With optimization it goes up then ?

Ohhh

[white pollen]

Yeah, but it costs diff mats

So be careful not to waste optimization mats if you're not looking at how many you have 🙃

(mats displayed @ bottom of screen)

[rough thistle]

So optimizing takes just longer to max out weapon damage because I recalibrated the attribute

And optimizing takes materials

That’s why it takes longer

[white pollen]

Yes, but optimization is a slower / longer, smaller, incremental process no matter what has been recalibrated.

It's not slower because you recalibrated the wrong attribute. It's just slower; that's the difference between the two mechanics.

But if you want to max out weapon dmg now, yes you would have to optimize weap dmg until it hits 15%

[rough thistle]

So what do I need to recalibrate always the core ? And optimize the attribute ?

[white pollen]

It depends - totally depends on the rolls on the piece of gear

[rough thistle]

4 pieces of striker

[white pollen]

No, I'm saying there's no rule to "always calibrate <this>" by any means.

What you want to roll on any piece of gear will always vary, based on what rolls it dropped with, and what you want out of the piece to fit into your build

[rough thistle]

So it depends on what attribute or core it has

[white pollen]

Yep, as well as the other rolls..

Like if I get a strikers gloves with 14.2% weapon damage, and skill haste - I'm gonna roll the skill haste here, because I can optimize the remaining .8% weap dmg (since we can always optimize) - but if I don't roll that skill haste, the piece is ruined. And I can only recalibrate ("roll") one slot. So, skill haste it is, in this situation.

This is just an example

[rough thistle]

Yeah I think I get it

[white pollen]

One last thing to keep in mind

Optimization mats are a PITA to farm unless you play a ton... Stuff like strikers that you can easily farm with targeted loot via countdown - don't waste your optimization mats. Just do a few runs with strikers set as targeted loot, you'll probably get a better drop and save yourself the materials recalibrating and optimizing.

[rough thistle]

Like this I need to recalibrate the attribute and optimize the weapon damage

[rough thistle]

Yeah the problem is I can’t find a game on PlayStation on countdown

[white pollen]

So, this falls into the "Needs too much work" bucket, IMO.

[rough thistle]

It’s an example so I can understand

[solar sable]

yes but optimizing that core attribute is going to cost a lot of mats

[white pollen]

no I know, and this is important to know as well - The mats it would take to optimize weapon damage from 7.6% up to 15% are just.. not worth it

[rough thistle]

So I just need to find better striker gloves

[solar sable]

yup

[white pollen]

With how easy it is to get that same piece to drop again, again farming with targeted loot - just find a new one

[rough thistle]

Ohh thanks guys but yeah countdown is a problem.

[white pollen]

I didn't have a problem the other day and even with brooklyn, I'm sure people are still running it. Are you queueing for Challenging difficulty?

[rough thistle]

Yes

Even tried heroic

[white pollen]

challenging is most common for sure

[rough thistle]

Idk if it are my dns settings or something

[white pollen]

huh. idk but can prolly move that part of the convo to another channel as to not hog the build chan

(I dropped a word in #td2-general-chat to continue there)

[rough thistle]

True thanks guys you helped me ALOT

[hollow fern]

Guys, is THE SPREADSHEET updated for Brooklyn? I just came back with oodles of crafting stuff and I'd like to know how much do I have to rehash my current build.

[fervent bloom]

as a noob and solo player what spec should i pick? im at level 30

[onyx sage]

nothing changes

[hollow fern]

noice, tyvm

[white pollen]

Look at the talent trees in each and see what you think you'll use more off the bat and pick that spec. Depends on how you want your first build to look, but since you are so new, just keep in mind that you'll want to max all of them - the order in which, depends on how you wanna play. Use 'Inspect' to view the talent trees

[fervent bloom]

ok

okay i took a look at the first three ones i can pick but i can't decide.. @white pollen as i lime my striker drone going pew pew

[white pollen]

Sorry friend I can't pick for you lol

Just gotta read and make a decision. Again, you're gonna max all of them.

[slender basin]

Would Streamline be good for builds that don't really use skills

Seems like it would be

[white pollen]

lmfao I mean, that's verbatim the description of the talent 💀

[slender basin]

Whoa, test server version had +80%

[solar berry]

It was overtuned

So it needed a nerf

[solar berry]

It’s amazing on striker. You can be more of a tank and still output amazing dmg. But it’s really good overall for many builds. As long you don’t use skills. If you do. Use short cooldown ones. Like pulse/decoy ect. Rip Rez hive if you rely on it. Expect a long cooldown

You will see the talent pop up when it’s active. Try to use your skills less overall to keep uptime. Use when needed

[slender basin]

Right, also when my shield is active the talent goes away. Not a cooldown, active.

[solar berry]

Umm 🤔 technically your shield is in use and active when used. I assume not. Haven’t used a shield in a while tbh

[slender basin]

I guess technically on cooldown even if there's no counter

[solar berry]

Streamline don’t work when a skill is up and active till cooldown is up. Stream will work when your skills is ready to be used on standby

[subtle bluff]

Test it in the range yourself

[solar berry]

If the streamline icon stays active. Then it works. I assume it should disappear when you use it, like any other skill

[slender basin]

So no streamline for turret / drone skill build

[solar berry]

Highly suggest not using streamline for any skill related builds

[slender basin]

Sure

[solar berry]

Your uptime will be very low

Extremely low, cuz skill builds rely on skills. And streamline is anti skill usage

[slender basin]

So no active skills or skills on cooldown

[solar berry]

Correct

[slender basin]

Description could be clearer, but I guess you need to know that cooldown includes skills being active

[solar berry]

Essentially

In the crossroads post specify it

[subtle bluff]

Test always. Ubi is only sooo… good at doing stuff

[solar berry]

That to^

[subtle bluff]

Test to ensure

Everything

Just like Prefect sledgehammer

[solar berry]

@hexed steppe OD build idea for more dmg. Catalyst exo mask, streamline talent with wicked BP.

[violet juniper]

Don't use Catalyst just yet

[subtle bluff]

I haven’t tested it yet to see if they fixed it or not

[solar berry]

I mean 😪 people done testing and it works, I guess it’s in a bugged state if it works or don’t. Set of hard yes it works.

[subtle bluff]

Ya people through 2% more dmg was it working before yesterday

[solar berry]

Also, I still tryna drop it for myself. Ran that mission for 4+ hrs straight on challenging and heroic

[subtle bluff]

Almost anything is visible and will work. Does it mean it’s good?

Sorry didn’t mean to be rude.

Sound rude

[solar berry]

Why asking so many questions? It’s just an idea for more dps

Just a general idea

[subtle bluff]

No question. When I tested it when I got I noticed the dmg per bullet wasn’t much different. I went and math it and figure out that it wasn’t working correctly

[solar berry]

It’s prob in a bugged state atm. But I watched vids and people showing that it’s working and I see numbers go up by a ton

[subtle bluff]

On what build?

[solar berry]

OD

[subtle bluff]

There’s a lot to ask but not gonna ask I’ll just test it later myself.

I haven’t been on since maintenance

[solar berry]

That’s what Imma do anyways, when it get the dang mask 😔

[solar berry]

Same

[dreamy valve]

I think the bonus was like 80% on the PTS right?

[solar berry]

Sum like that ye

[narrow bough]

I would have to buy the dlc for the smart cover sadly

I guess i dont wanna go for more meta options. And it takes time to take all the trophies. With ninja i dont have to force myself into open.

[subtle bluff]

I didn't say anything meta. I'm just giving advice.
I mean you could just collect them afterwards.

[narrow bough]

That feels like a chore to me and pointless. I prefer if a damage is less about stacks to pick up but you have it right away.

And like i said the additional weapon handling does some nice job from striker. When i played yesterday with memento the enemies ate the blue armor in seconds which i did not liked.

[subtle bluff]

How would it be "pointless." Also if you want more dmg up front wouldn't you run BP talent for more dmg upfront then?

[narrow bough]

Cause you need to collect the trophies first to get the damage. With the combination i have i dont have to run into open.

And i am also kinda burned out by slapping memento everywhere, i just wanna use something more niche and experiment a bit

[subtle bluff]

Again... You don't have to collect them ASAP. There are 2 buffs the "Long" buff is still:
up to 30% Weapon Damage, 30% Skill Efficiency and 3% armor regen.

[subtle bluff]

You're the one IIRC who said you need some survival, so the normal answer is Memento.

Go HB if you want survival or go HF if you want up front dmg and some survival.

[narrow bough]

I did kinda fine enough without the memento with using the umbra heal and chem healing in cover

[subtle bluff]

Again this is all just advice and that NBB is just nerfing your build. If it works for you great but there will be a point where you hit a wall with it.

Here's NBB vs without it for dmg giving NBB a lot advantage.

We call it a noob trap for a reason. anyhoo GL HF.

[narrow bough]

There is always a point where every build has its own limits. Since i dont play legendary, raids, incrusions and only free roam with it, i dont have bigger ambitions. I wanted to use in some comfort way backfire.

[buoyant perch]

If you think it's fine, why ask here? Ofc people here would recommend optimal builds even if it's boring or whatever.

[narrow bough]

I was just curious if there are more different alternatives how to experiment with it apart from slapping memento there

I was like maybe putting away striker, ninja bck and use four pieces of umbra and two high end pieces with hazard pro, handling or something.

[subtle bluff]

Like I said HF and HB

Solo players always have this thought process of trying to go against the, grain then ask for advice and just end up doing there own thing because of it.

[fair ridge]

what would be the reason for not being able to focus ongoing directive in countdown? I just don't see the set

edit: i'm blind lol

[fair ridge]

what about crafting it though, is it craftable? don't have the blueprints

[halcyon beacon]

hello I have roll a FAMAS 2010 Replica with max core attribute, what can you recommend for attributes for it? damage out of cover ot critical hit chance?

[fair ridge]

dtooc is always the best roll I think.

but don't quote me on that 😛

[subtle bluff]

Control Points to get Bllueprints.

[fair ridge]

nah apparently OD doesn't have blueprints

[subtle bluff]

Your right I don't have them

CD is fast enough anyways

[fair ridge]

yeah I just got the full set after one run

[subtle bluff]

I tested it too I didn't get anything really for a dmg buff when I testing it

[vale latch]

Someone knows where to find the harvest pistol now ?

[buoyant perch]

Nowhere for now

[vale latch]

Okay fine i'll use a D50 instead then thanks for the answer ^^

[subtle bluff]

Don't use D50 it got a huge nerf awhile go use the 586 Mag (don't know how to spell it) the wheelgun.

[vale latch]

Okay thanks for the advice mate

[broken bridge]

Open legacy caches from the season pass

[subtle bluff]

No, "The Harvest" is from a seasonal event. Only the Loot Goblin drops seasonal items during seasonal events.

[solar berry]

Loot goblin spawns

Just did testing and I was right all along.

Streamline does NOT work with shield, due it ACTIVELY being used. Shield is also a skill.

Streamline does not work if a skill is currently being active in some type of way, or if it’s on cooldown.

Streamline only works if your skills are on standby and not being used. no skills is deployed in some form.

[hexed steppe]

they are chc/chd like @solar sable . OD is a buffer set, but you build it like a DPS. i use gunner on the one posted, but survivalist gives an additional 10% team buff. its definitely the stronger choice for the team.

[untold glen]

What is the easiest build a beginner can build?

[hexed steppe]

striker

check the pinned spreadsheet if level 40, otherwise just equip the best you can fine/buy until you hit level 40

pinned in this channel*

[mint axle]

What is the highest damage that you can give to your teammates? Like, I have ongoing directive with skill tiers, so I have tier 6 precision smart cover that gives 37% of DTTOOC to teammates in cover, 20% wp from OD, I got ferocious calm that gives 14% wp if I'm in cover for 8s, the setup for 15% of amplified dmg and the demolitionist 5% DTTOOC.

[buoyant perch]

Survivalist 10% to status effect enemies is better than demolitionist

And you can always toss a nade with sledgehammer

[tranquil cliff]

So I have a general question does anyone have a good build for the pestilence? I’m working out a few but nothing seems to do like OP damage just yet I’m SHD lvl 264 currently

[mint axle]

Grenades are slow, and depending on the boss, you will not be in cover much.

[buoyant perch]

No one likes to say it but you build pestilence for the sadistic pleasure of watching enemies dying slowly rather than fast clearing

[stark trout]

can someone please suggest a skill build for end-game missions? am a returning player - but have forgotten build crafting

or a hard hitting pistol build if there's one

[tranquil cliff]

Yes lolol but I also would like there to be a rather significant damage stack you know

[bright raptor]

For a really wild pistol build, look at the Hunter's Fury entry in the pinned spreadsheet, build the Headhunter version and use a 586 or 686 revolver with Determined

[buoyant perch]

Classic striker with ceska obliterate chest and coyote is a good place to start. There's a lengmo build that gives higher stack damage but it's hell to farm for.

[patent fossil]

the standard striker build will work perfectly well with pesti, if you want to really maximise the tick damage though then you need to spec into weapon damage, total weapon damage, and certain amps: so high end with 3pc, lengmo, backbone, glass cannon, contractors gloves and foxes is the usual version iirc.

[stark trout]

thanks

[copper holly]

Anyone got a backfire build

[narrow bough]

Is it normal that the umbra stacks are not filling my armor when in cover?

[versed gyro]

does anyone got bluescreen build?

[narrow bough]

run bluescreen with dilemma.

[spice pier]

anybody know if measured assembly stops suicide drones?

[narrow bough]

I wish they would finally fix the directive bugs. It is getting worse with each update and stuff

[lucid pier]

why do some items of the same category have two attribute slots while others have one?

[hasty sand]

Hey returning player here from 2021 are skill builds still viable?

[bright raptor]

gearset pieces have only one attribute roll as a tradeoff for the 4 piece gearset talent

[fervent bloom]

Is the Pyromanic better then the rifle on the left?

[cerulean smelt]

in terms of what?

[fervent bloom]

overall stats

[cerulean smelt]

they're level 30, you'll out grow them until you hit 40, the diamondbacks you can at least "upgrade" them to level 40's once you hit that and buy the blueprint from inaya in DC Base of Operations

[fervent bloom]

ok

[lucid pier]

i see, thanks bro

[subtle bluff]

What boss?

[mint axle]

I don't, raid bosses, incursion bosses...

[subtle bluff]

Well the we actually do hit most bosses with sledgehammer all the time. Most bosses aren't moving when you're in dps phase.
I believe I've already sent you the best buffing build.

[hexed steppe]

digging deep from >24hr ago, but yeah the orange icon is short, the white/grey is long. the long term icon has a thin meter bar representing how many stacks/trophy you have, and the white background that moves across is your 5 minute timer for long buff. long term buff is always the same regardless of build, short buff scales based on main cores.

[cerulean smelt]

ok thanks, because of other talents having colored in as active and greyed out as on cool down
i always thought that of memento as well

[hexed steppe]

yeah, easy to do. memento too complex for its own good sometimes

hardest working, single item in the game

[cerulean smelt]

i slept on it because of this mechanic

[cerulean smelt]

like i assumed we lost bonus armor we lost all the bonuses on it

[solar berry]

Easy way to tell if you have the short term buff active is bonus arm, from pickups

[thorny kernel]

Okay the game just threw a cache with the entire new gear set at me, any tips what i should build with it?

And how far into the DLC do i get the new skill?

[solar berry]

Everyone gets those at some point, I personally call them “starter packs” lol… umm which gear set?

[thorny kernel]

Measured Assembly, the new one. I, uh, don't say 'new' for nothin

Also no, the only gear set you get from a 'starter pack' are 3 Rigger pieces

Unless you mean some kind of cache i don't know of?

which is definitely possible since i don't know too much about the game lol

[solar berry]

You will get a cache with other gear sets as well later on

I call it a starter pack, cuz it gives you the full set for the get go. For new players

[thorny kernel]

Okay I'm not new, guess that's why i didn't get those

[solar berry]

People that been playing, it’s basically free rss

[frosty kindle]

i switched from ps5 to pc after 2 years of not playing, started completely fresh and got myself to lvl 40 again

can anyone recommend a strong high dps pve build for solo/group heroic farming?

[solar berry]

Striker

[thorny kernel]

Striker's is always the answer for DPS

[frosty kindle]

i saw somewhere on youtube

[thorny kernel]

Mine is this

[frosty kindle]

1.9 heartbreaker with chameleon and damage from elites

and he seems to be doing alot of damage

[solar berry]

Haven’t used it yet, can’t say much about it. Someone in here probably played with it and probably have a build as well.

[thorny kernel]

If defo feels support-ish tho, Hive and Smart-Cover doesn't sound particularly offensive to me

[frosty kindle]

yea i use to have a nice build with no armor as well

but i want to be tanky too

[solar berry]

Yea, it’s a Smart Cover support gearset. And can be offensive or defensive depending which one you use for the skill

[copper holly]

Any backfire builds

[thorny kernel]

There's no decent build that has both good DPS and 'tanky' survivability.

[onyx sage]

something has to give

[solar berry]

Slap on momento, ceska obilerate chest, with 2 blue cores for striker

[frosty kindle]

https://youtu.be/8SLmE6w75yw?si=c9n6ocFrgytYY7eg

i was reffering to this one

he literally has 1.9 mill armor and destroys elites

[onyx sage]

if this is the only thing you asked, then yes striker, but if you want to be tanky too then you have to trade some damage off, which tbf if you're doing solo heroic is okay

that's because heroic is easy so you can afford to do that

[frosty kindle]

yea but what if i wanna go legendary as well

[onyx sage]

then abandon this idea and go full damage

[frosty kindle]

😭

[thorny kernel]

Maybe with BTSU Datagloves for the Hive part of a MA build?

[onyx sage]

your survivability comes from ads dying before you get overwhelmed

[frosty kindle]

can you check ts video out 0:43 and tell me what u think

https://youtu.be/8SLmE6w75yw?si=c9n6ocFrgytYY7eg

[solar berry]

Like I said, can’t sway much about the gearset

[onyx sage]

i don't have to, it's trash because you're not doing enough damage for the enemies to start using their skills

[frosty kindle]

but it seems to work good no?

[onyx sage]

because of the modifiers

[frosty kindle]

the heartbreaker, the memento

[onyx sage]

last season's modifiers too. this season doesn't give you anywhere near

[frosty kindle]

wym by modifiers

[solar berry]

YouTuber builds is good to look at, not ideal to focus on them.

[onyx sage]

the seasonal buff

that guy has an overcharged shield by being at the max tier of momentum, you're not getting that anywhere else other than that master mission

you just got baited by nothingbutskillz 💀

[frosty kindle]

not really, just asked what u think about it

[frosty kindle]

so its bullshit?

[onyx sage]

it's bullshit

[copper holly]

😂😂😂

[onyx sage]

the build basically relies on the overcharged shield to stay alive, the armor amount means nothing

[frosty kindle]

but hes still dealing high dps no?

how is he shredding elites then

[onyx sage]

you can do the same thing but better with striker

and you can use overcharged shield with striker too

[thorny kernel]

Yeah you don't get to shred elites when you're dead. That's what Average is on about.

[onyx sage]

you won't get footage of him doing that in an actual legendary now because that was past season's modifiers which is only in kelso master

those modifiers are true OP

it's not the build lol

[frosty kindle]

i feel clueless after not playing for so long

ok i understand

[frosty kindle]

ok so if i use striker, can i up my armor and still have great damage?

[onyx sage]

i mean... no since you are trading that damage for armor

[solar berry]

Seasonal modifiers change the way how your build works. But the same build won’t carry over to future seasons if the modifier don’t exist anymore

[onyx sage]

^ that's why i never recommend people to base their builds on modifiers

[frosty kindle]

and how can I know what this seasons modifier is?

[onyx sage]

inventory > brick icon

[thorny kernel]

Brick icon

[frosty kindle]

brick icon?

[onyx sage]

also you don't really need all that armor if you know how to position carefully. taking damage is basically a choice in this game. you clear the mission faster by positioning yourself carefully and killing everything with a red build

[solar berry]

the red square i marked, click that and view it all

My build works best with this season modifier. But only thing I would change back is 2 blue cores. Remove cloak kneepads and add in ceska obilerate chest, instead of striker chest.

Chest isn’t ideal unless your into higher difficulty content and maintain stacks. Cuz 100-200 decays fast asf.

[frosty kindle]

what is this build?

[solar berry]

It’s my personal streamline striker build. With cloak kneepads.

Only good with this season modifiers

[frosty kindle]

high damage?

[solar berry]

Somewhat if you maintain stacks

[frosty kindle]

yea well ur literally running 1.8 and dealing damage

thats what i was going for earlier

@onyx sage i clicked on it

what does this mean

[solar berry]

Ummm 🤔 you need your modifiers for it to work

[onyx sage]

go into each one

if you don't have anything then you need to do journey

[solar berry]

Without it, you ain’t getting much use overall on my build

[cerulean smelt]

would be awesome if they gave us 1 exotic each time for component research you know? (> <)

[solar berry]

Real

[onyx sage]

i think you're just missing the damage threshold you actually need. you've been thinking about armor a lot but you never mentioned how much damage you actually need.

have you cleared legendary before?

[solar berry]

this is what i recommend but ceska chest and not grupo chest for farming/heroic and lower difficulty

weapons is debatable to use

[frosty kindle]

yes i have but that was like two years ago

[onyx sage]

you remember your average clear time?

[frosty kindle]

No, because im pretty sure I wasnt doing it solo

[onyx sage]

nah group time is fine

[frosty kindle]

cant remember that far back

[onyx sage]

basically i'm trying to find a reference point for you to compare between having just any build vs having a low armor high damage build

[cerulean smelt]

you got broken link only, need to complete 6 of each journey level to unlock more actives and passives

[frosty kindle]

what are the best modifiers to use?

[onyx sage]

in legendary you're basically heavily incentivized to not take damage if you can because even with high armor and playing recklessly you still fold

[frosty kindle]

i had a some kind of a pve ar build back then

726k armor only tho, and i use to die very easily

[onyx sage]

yes, the answer to that is you're probably on the right track

you need to use cover more, avoid short cover, use tall cover, use cover to cover, things like that

[solar berry]

@cerulean smelt you think 🤔 A tier a day or multi tasker is better for my build or both? (Seasonal modifier)

I feel like multi tasker is better

[cerulean smelt]

not sure, but i'm certainly curious 🤔

[frosty kindle]

i was never good at understanding pve builds, i only use to play dark zone pvp

[onyx sage]

pvp builds are different entirely from pve, just so you know

[frosty kindle]

yea i know

[solar berry]

Tier a day makes my health tanky. But multi tasker is essentially 7.5% more dps with abit more arm

[rich cosmos]

People should start using nimble holster once they get it, its great

[cerulean smelt]

and a skill tier (> <)

[frosty kindle]

like i said i was a dz player, barely ever played pve except for when i needed to grind something for it

[cerulean smelt]

what build we talking about though?

[onyx sage]

this is what you want to basically start with, you will use it everywhere, legendary, incursion, countdown

[solar berry]

Don’t care about that, since I rely on streamline talent

[onyx sage]

it's not the most efficient, but you can use it everywhere, it meets all the necessary damage thresholds

[frosty kindle]

oh yeah can yall tell me whats this expertise and countdown?

[cerulean smelt]

it'd give you 1 extra revive hive charge (> <)

[frosty kindle]

those werent a thing when i use to play

[solar berry]

No

[frosty kindle]

i only know that expertise is some sort of a level system for additional damage or armor

and countdown is a game mode

[cerulean smelt]

countdown is a game mode they released a long time ago
you can set your target loot to whatever you want minus dz exclusive stuff and raid/incursion

[onyx sage]

expertise is basically that yeah, gives you damage and armor or specific buffs for skills, but the gains are mostly noticeable on weapons

[cerulean smelt]

reason people tell others Set Target Loot on countdown run it challenging is because you get a sheer amount of loot completing it

[frosty kindle]

so countdown is better than running summit for loot farming?

[onyx sage]

way better

[frosty kindle]

is it hard?

[cerulean smelt]

unless you're after big horn, summit is better

[onyx sage]

no, it's meant to be easy

[frosty kindle]

i had bighorn on my ps5 account back then

[solar berry]

i can replace both... bottom and right seasonal modifier. preferably bottom one… Or keep bottom one, idk 🤷‍♂️

[frosty kindle]

never even used it

[onyx sage]

bighorn is probably the best pvp gun right now

[frosty kindle]

so this is what I should go for right now?

[onyx sage]

yes

[frosty kindle]

aint no way

[onyx sage]

make that build, then everything else is up to you

but have that build as a backup

[onyx sage]

yeah it had a big buff, basically it stacks twice as fast

[frosty kindle]

damn

[onyx sage]

that's besides some AR base damage buffs which included the aug which is its base gun

[frosty kindle]

back then i was crazy in dz and i mainly used my smg pvp build, lady death n coyotes

[onyx sage]

yeah meta right now is regen headshot and regulus

oh and umbra capacitor

[violet juniper]

It's OP as hell in PvP

[violet juniper]

Don't forget Pesti Lengmo

[frosty kindle]

i feel outdated asf

[onyx sage]

yeah pesti too i forgor

[violet juniper]

Ignore the Lexington, you can't get it anymore

[onyx sage]

yeah, use a police m4, famas or elmo

[violet juniper]

Go for any gun with above 800RPM, but Police M4 is typically the best

[frosty kindle]

yea i always use to go w m4 or famas

[onyx sage]

f2000 too

if you have the elmo and you want to play in say legendary or master, it's a very easy to use gun in these difficulties

[cerulean smelt]

if you like the famas you can get a named one in brooklyn

[frosty kindle]

i need to grind everything back again

back then i was like shd 2000 and pretty much had everything

[violet juniper]

You can also use certain LMG's

[frosty kindle]

now on pc i just got myself to lvl 40 n ion have sht

[violet juniper]

Iron Lung is awesome, or a Stoner with Measured is a great choice

[frosty kindle]

i loved eagle bearier, i used it in pvp and pve but it was an ass getting it

if i wanna do raids imma need a build for that too

[onyx sage]

you can just use the same old striker, some would rather you use a high end build but striker obli works just fine

you don't really need a build for it since the important people will do the biggest lift for you, all you have to do is clear adds

[white pollen]

EB isn't what it used to be - just a warning

[solar berry]

OG EB is the best EB

[frosty kindle]

not as good anymore?

[solar berry]

It’s good, not as strong like it used to be back in Y1

[frosty kindle]

ah got it

[frosty kindle]

yeah all i use to do

[solar berry]

They reworked the entire game. EB got a major rework to it. Essentially nerfed it from its Y1 form due to its exotic talent

[frosty kindle]

crazy, missed so damn much

[solar berry]

Works good on headshot regen PvP builds. But Bighorn exceeds well but better

[frosty kindle]

so if I wanna farm for striker right now I should go do countdown?

[lucid pier]

bro why do i have critical hit chance twice on my striker's mask???????? isnt that supposed to be kinda impossible??

[solar berry]

EB won’t get as much headshot dmg overall compared to Bighorn. But can save dmg for later due to it’s tenacity talent

[onyx sage]

one of them is a mod

[lucid pier]

ahhh alr

[onyx sage]

masks, backpacks and chests have 1 mod slot btw

[solar berry]

Countdown is a good target loot farm activity

[white pollen]

I know, when I left off, true patriot was the only real tank set. ~1.3m or 1.5m armor was peak lol. Returned about 2 months ago and my head was spinning from all the new stuff lol

[lucid pier]

forgot i put it on there LMAO

[frosty kindle]

try two years LMAO

i feel like a fossil

[white pollen]

that's what I'm saying, it was a few years 😅 (only just returned a couple months ago lol)

[frosty kindle]

pretty much everything I know or use to run is either reworked or outdated

[white pollen]

Luckily strikers is still viable to get in the sling runnin' stuff haha

[frosty kindle]

and i feel new again, shd level 1 again with p much nothing in my account

[frosty kindle]

yh imma go for strikers rn

i need atleast one good pve build so I can do heroic or legendary to grind

[frosty kindle]

so thats what I should go do rn?

[white pollen]

You can target-loot farm countdown on challenging to go after specific stuff

[frosty kindle]

why not heroic

[white pollen]

Not worth it for what you're going for - it's a group activity (you can't solo it) - 8 man team, about 15-20 mins per run. ton of gear each run

[frosty kindle]

i wanted to do ts one bc it gives 1,4mil xp and an exotic

but no one joined

[solar berry]

To farm. Yes

[onyx sage]

we can take you through the weekly legendary whenever too btw

[onyx sage]

nah you need an actual build for it, it's pretty hard

that one is different from actual countdown

[white pollen]

Plus Doctor Home sucks 😭

[frosty kindle]

lmao got it

[frosty kindle]

can you remind me the point of doing those?

[onyx sage]

free exotic every week

[frosty kindle]

ah and how do I check whats this weeks legendary

[onyx sage]

crazy to think back then this was the only practical way of getting exotics 💀 it's manning national zoo this week, check in projects

[solar berry]

At one point ye

[frosty kindle]

whats a shepherd rank and how do I get it

is it like a rank you get for assisting others when they call for backup?

[solar berry]

Yes

Exactly that

[frosty kindle]

so I just join anyone calling for backup and when they endorse me boom I get a rank?

[solar berry]

You will gain progress towards your rank to rank up

[frosty kindle]

i see

[cerulean smelt]

do it enough you get a new ar called Caretaker

[frosty kindle]

is it worth it?

[onyx sage]

it's pretty good

[frosty kindle]

is there a point to completing older manhunts or is it a waste of time

[frosty kindle]

where can I use it

[onyx sage]

but other options are just as strong if not stronger or more useful

[cerulean smelt]

if you want the comms in those manhunts

[onyx sage]

basically it's an on-kill talent, so you'd rather use it in solo situations

[frosty kindle]

why would i ever need those

[onyx sage]

if you feel like a completionist

[solar berry]

You gain skills/exo/reward, if it’s the rewards on first completion, if you haven’t done it yet.

[frosty kindle]

thats a good point

[thorny kernel]

I think a lot of them unlock new skill variants

[onyx sage]

4 of them only

from jupiter to faye lau

[frosty kindle]

what do you mean?

[onyx sage]

they unlock skills basically for you

emp sticky is from jupiter and it's very relevant everywhere

[frosty kindle]

on this account I have never done it

[frosty kindle]

i only remember

[solar berry]

Then you will gain first completion rewards then

[frosty kindle]

that i got a holo from ny expansion

[onyx sage]

yeah those are WONY manhunts

[frosty kindle]

where you place a hologram of yourself and it marks dudes for you when they shoot it

[onyx sage]

these are after those

[frosty kindle]

yea i dont have that expansion on this account yet

[onyx sage]

yeah get WONY as soon as you can

[frosty kindle]

no cross progression in 2025 is crazy

[frosty kindle]

i had it back then and I used it to boost myself to lvl 30 for new character

so I can use the watch to get myself stuff for optimizations

[onyx sage]

yeah that's dead too now 💀

shd points now shared across all characters, you use 1 point in one, you used for all of them

[cerulean smelt]

just the one time. it's all account bound now. you got 1k you spend 1 for something all 4 agents are now at 999

[frosty kindle]

are you serious

[onyx sage]

yeah literally killed by this patch

[frosty kindle]

they do this sht but they cant add cross progression?

[frosty kindle]

that was like my favourite thing to do if I ever needed stuff for optimisation

ngl that just pissed me off

so what if I go create a new character and boost it to level 40, I take the watch and what happens?

[onyx sage]

cross progression is basically never going to be in the game because it would require a complete overhaul is what they said

[cerulean smelt]

you and 99.99999% player base

[solar berry]

^this, and to the servers as well

[cerulean smelt]

@frosty kindle had to be done since there's a level 40 boost with brooklyn

[frosty kindle]

true

[frosty kindle]

what had to be done?

[frosty kindle]

yeah well makes sense

[onyx sage]

removing "muling"

[frosty kindle]

because for instance I have my account on ps5 which is the same ubisoft account im using on pc right now at this moment only different progression

[cerulean smelt]

the watch being account wide spending bit
otherwise pepole would be deleting 3 agents, boost to 40 spend points infinitely

[frosty kindle]

damn

[onyx sage]

basically the entire thing involving creating a new character to redeem watch points

[frosty kindle]

so if i ever lack for stuff on optimisation, what do I even do

[onyx sage]

you gotta grind like the rest of us

for now they did boost the redemption rate to 3x the original

[cerulean smelt]

live in solar farm control point

[frosty kindle]

whats "redemption rate"

[onyx sage]

like you gain 3x per point

so instead of 1 shd point = 1 shd recalibration it's 3

[frosty kindle]

ah one thing i remember is solar control point was crawling with those little bags where you could get materials

if i ever needed those id just rinse and repeat it

[onyx sage]

but yeah you still grind shd level like normal

[frosty kindle]

so thats good right?

[onyx sage]

it's good but technically worse than 4x which is what muling gave you

[frosty kindle]

i see

imma try running countdown for that striker

[onyx sage]

gl

[frosty kindle]

this one right

[onyx sage]

ye

[frosty kindle]

coyote mask is a regular drop?

i dont remember

[white pollen]

it's in the general loot pool, yeah (you can get it anywhere)

Don't forget to set your targeted loot before matchmaking countdown (assuming 'targeted loot' is a new thing for you with the gap in time)

[frosty kindle]

nope targeted loot was already a thing when I use to play

countdown wasnt tho

[white pollen]

oh nice

[solar berry]

Yea, been a thing since Y1.

[frosty kindle]

I have a few questions tho

[solar berry]

Countdown dropped during Wony later on

[white pollen]

countdown is cool. At the end, make sure you extract before the helo takes off, for double the tokens. I... didn't do this my first like 15 countdown runs. lol. Thought it was just for the aesthetic.

[cerulean smelt]

the best quesions are the ones asked

[frosty kindle]

wait wym

[solar berry]

Like they say, no question is a stupid question.

[frosty kindle]

how do I farm and get maxed crit chance n crit damage mods for my gear?

[white pollen]

You'll see when you run it - at the end of the mission, your group will call in a helo for extraction - you don't have to extract but if you do, you get like double the tokens (currency rewarded from countdown specifically) that you can use to buy* stuff like exotic caches from the vendor with

[frosty kindle]

and how do I get all those main colors I can put on my gear, ex: black, purple, white.

[frosty kindle]

oh okay Ill keep that in mind thank you

[thorny kernel]

For a non-chest striker build, is Fenris or Ceska better for the chestpiece?

[solar berry]

Like shaders for your gear?

[solar berry]

Ceska to reach max chc

[frosty kindle]

dye slot

[solar berry]

Appearal section

It’s a spray can icon

[frosty kindle]

Yes I know

i can put seperately too, but I meant how do I get those main basic colors?

[solar berry]

You have to earn them

[frosty kindle]

Where do I find them? I use to have them all, white, purple, black.

[solar berry]

You earn colors overtime as you play

Full white is from legendary mission

[white pollen]

if you go to mod a gear's appearance do you see any options listed for applying dye?

If I'm following correctly, he's saying he can't find a bunch of dyes he used to have

[solar berry]

You scroll down even further

[white pollen]

yeah I know for weapon the solid colors are all the way at the fuggin' bottom of the list 😭 and there's no batch scroll

[solar berry]

Weapons shows first, gear shows later on. If viewing from apparel tab.

[frosty kindle]

any?

[solar berry]

Ye

Or it’s invaded … might be the invaded one 🤔

[frosty kindle]

i know for a full black you need to kill all hunters in nyc and get the keys with is also a pain in the ass, to spawn them especially as well

[cerulean smelt]

not even something like on PC Page Down to go down a lot of the colors

[frosty kindle]

but others you can find in open world in crates right?

[white pollen]

yeah, and in the myriad small lootable objects scattered across the world (not gear crates but backpacks, suitcases, etc. etc.)

also, apparel caches. I have like 1000 of them for some reason. Don't even bother opening them anymore

[frosty kindle]

yea, but the hunters are such a pain in the ass to spawn and kill

i remember having to go to a specific place at a specific time and do some kind of a puzzle all to just end up dying

[white pollen]

Yeah the puzzles to get them to spawn are tedious, for sure.

[cerulean smelt]

brooklyn is a little bit easier
just 1 spawns during the night the others you can repeat the puzzles as many times as you like

[wary lynx]

Yo anybody got a ouroboros pve build?

[cerulean smelt]

i used to use it in a striker build

[frosty kindle]

dang

dude has every skin too

[solar berry]

Some people have more than me. I’m up there. Not all of them for sure

[frosty kindle]

looks nice tho

[thorny kernel]

Since it's pretty much just an SMG on crack, Striker is a good bet

[frosty kindle]

bruh i dont think i can ever grind EVERYTHING back

aye, countdown heroic or challenging?

[solar berry]

I just keep playing since day 1

[wary lynx]

Will ninjabike be good or Hunters fury?

[cerulean smelt]

you really want to up the rate of fire. NBB, 3 umbra and 2 strikers and watch them buillets disappear

[frosty kindle]

the thing is imma prolly buy myself a ps5 again after i start working

and i can just continue playing on my old account

[solar berry]

Day one on Xbox, moved to pc for good when beyond light dropped for Destiny 2 due to cross save. And it was a perfect time when Wony dropped for div2

[thorny kernel]

Ninjabike is generally a nerf to any kind of build because you sacrifice an actual backpack talent for just an additional stage on set bonuses

[frosty kindle]

good for you

i made the switch late asf

[hexed steppe]

Memento a much better fit for hunters fury

[solar berry]

I ain’t never going back to console. MnK is life ❤️

[wary lynx]

So memento w Hunters or strikers?

[frosty kindle]

id feel the same way if i had my account on pc bro

[hexed steppe]

You spelled mortar wrong

[frosty kindle]

but imma buy a ps5 anyway so ill prolly head back

[solar berry]

Either or gearset tbh depends on playstyle

[frosty kindle]

since everything I have is on there

[wary lynx]

I spray n pray

So aggressive

[frosty kindle]

countdown challenging or heroic?

[solar berry]

Mortar supremacy

[white pollen]

challenging

You can do heroic but more prone to wipes, since it's a 8-man team. It's slower, and countdown is specifically a "playing the numbers game" and hoarding loot as you're farming for specific stuff

[cerulean smelt]

heroic peeps kick people out if not 1k+ shd and yoru build isn't fully optimized

[frosty kindle]

lol imma get kicked fs then

random ass items n lvl 1 shd

[frosty kindle]

wym wipes

[solar berry]

Striker out damages Hunters fury. But Hunter fury is more CQB and get health/arm on kill

[white pollen]

wipes like people dying. wipe = whole squad dead ==> have to restart from beginning

[simple breach]

Start your own Countdown and have people matchmake into it. Can’t get kicked if you’re the leader.

[solar berry]

Later on when they reach hunters at the end. Before it’s unlimited lives leading up to hunters

[white pollen]

naw it's countdown, literally nobody cares if it's your first time. Just follow the group lol, you can't really go wrong

[wary lynx]

Now its back to the lab to test the two out

[simple breach]

I’ve been in a Countdown LFG that was checking builds first, people are odd like that.

[solar berry]

Ong^

[white pollen]

I just meant with 8 people, the chances of wiping (especially at the end) are higher

[solar berry]

People be weird in games

[solar berry]

Yea that’s true

[thorny kernel]

Which smart cover variant is better, Fortified or Precision?

[white pollen]

oh, weird haha. Talk about needing to touch some grass 💀

[solar berry]

Depends if you wanna be defensive or offensive

[frosty kindle]

bruh joined heroic countdown

everyone left within a minute window

[solar berry]

People do crash. So it’s as expected

[frosty kindle]

seemed cool tho, fought two hunters both dropped alot

[frosty kindle]

no, i mean they just left

one after another

[solar berry]

That happens to

[thorny kernel]

I mean I'm making a support build for use as support for my friends, and they're mostly DPS focused with strikers and such. So my question is, do i boost them even further or do i make up for the general reduced survivability of builds hell-bent on DPS lol

[frosty kindle]

anyone of yall wanna run countdown?

[thorny kernel]

You should ask that in the LFG channel of your platform

[solar berry]

I do recommend running BTSU gloves with FI gearset. They gain bonus dmg within 15m near you and hive to heal them @thorny kernel

[onyx sage]

well they don't have to be 15m near you

they can't be too far though, but that's like 50m

[solar berry]

Other than that, if you’re still sticking with the smart cover build then. Just use fortified, defensive to make them abit more tanky when in cover.

[white pollen]

yeah there are so many ways to play a support role

[solar berry]

FI is still top tier support build tbh. Heals and nearby teammates gain bonus dmg near you

[frosty kindle]

lmao joined a countdown lobby, was waiting w this one dude for like 3 mins no one showed up

he left and my lobby filled up within 20 seconds

[solar sable]

sounds like he was the problem

[cerulean smelt]

i'm usually the problem when it comes to countdown

[solar berry]

Your soul is lost

[solar sable]

I knew you were that one dude deploying drones and turrets in the extraction phase...

[cerulean smelt]

nah, i throw the healing hive at the hunters XD

and the level 30 reduction drone at them

[solar berry]

He shoots the agents and think they are hunters

Lost be feeling like he’s in DZ while not playing DZ

[cerulean smelt]

😹

[white pollen]

It doesn't matter how many times I run it, I will never understand the map layout and/or the common route people take - skipping over objectives to go to other ones farther away, running back and forth. I'm like what are we doin' here.

can we not swear here anymore?

[solar sable]

you can if you eat a letter or two but I guess don't do it regularly

[solar berry]

People save VIP for last. I do VIP first

I make them mad at me. I just type, “I’m legally blind in chat, I use braille to play the game”

[crude flame]

Just got the matador bag with explosive resistance and critical damage should I recalibrate the weapon damage or or explosive resistance?

[frosty kindle]

how do I grind and get max crit chance or crit damage mods?

[buoyant perch]

Countdown

[leaden ivy]

just did dlc with a boost lvl 40 can someone helo me get saome good gear

[buoyant perch]

Do challenging countdown with target loot

[frosty kindle]

what do I set the loot as?

[subtle bluff]

Gear Mods

[frosty kindle]

and where can I optimise stuff?

[subtle bluff]

Trinkering Station

[white pollen]

(always found next to crafting stations)

[subtle bluff]

You can find it in your inventory.

[frosty kindle]

they changed it to tinkering?

i was just there

I want to optimise to 15 and cant figure out how to do that

[white pollen]

get out of those all together and open your inventory then select the backpack, and press the keybind for 'tinker'

[wheat anchor]

Find any backpack with a 15% weapon damage core and store it in the library

[white pollen]

oh mb I clearly didn't pay close enough attention. Ignore my message

[subtle bluff]

They haven't changed anything.

You don't have a library.

[frosty kindle]

Cant i just optimise to 15

[subtle bluff]

You also don't want to optimize your WD when you're other skill is needing to changed

[wheat anchor]

A year ago you could, yeah

[subtle bluff]

YOU DO NOT HAVE it in your library

[frosty kindle]

calm down

[wheat anchor]

But it got changed so you can't optimise past what you have stored

[frosty kindle]

thats not what im asking

[frosty kindle]

ah i see

[wheat anchor]

0.2% won't make much of a difference anyway

[frosty kindle]

not the point, want it to be perfect

[wheat anchor]

Was about to say, thats the other reason xd

[frosty kindle]

back when I use to play, you could transfer one attribute and optimise another to full if you wanted

why would they even remove that

[frosty kindle]

yea lol definetely

[wheat anchor]

To promote farming for more gear I guess

[frosty kindle]

so stupid

i thought you could still bump it up if you wanted

[wheat anchor]

Used to be the case

The change wasn't met with much positivity

[solar sable]

everyone got used to it yk

god bless the god rolled crafting station bug (patched)

[frosty kindle]

yea ofc it is

[violet juniper]

WHY

[solar sable]

it was a bug that happened a year ago? I think

my time perception is broken
my brain still thinks that today is tuesday or something

everything you crafted was either .1% away from god rolled or god rolled

A lot of people took advantage to craft mods, make builds or fill the library

I did all three lol

[violet juniper]

NO

I wish. Would've made builds so much easier

[onyx sage]

get him

[solar sable]

it was easy but it only lasted one week

[onyx sage]

the true fomo

[solar sable]

I never said I was a legit player

[violet juniper]

Born to be lazy, forced to grind countdown

[frosty kindle]

is optimization removed completely or you can still optimise the ones you transfer from library?

[violet juniper]

no you can optimize all attributes, but only up to the amount that you have in your library

[wheat anchor]

Optimisation up to your current library stat

Library stats can only get improved by finding a better roll

[frosty kindle]

I see, okay thanks.

[frosty kindle]

limit is removed?

[broken edge]

if you have a stat at 13/15%

[frosty kindle]

for example

[broken edge]

you can only optimize to 13%

the limit is your library

[frosty kindle]

can I optimise JUST one or both of them If I have both critical hit chance and weapon damage full in my library?

because it use to be just one per gear peace

[broken edge]

you can optmize both

[frosty kindle]

something good atleast

okay thanks

[subtle bluff]

here's a video if you haven't learned it all yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67BKp4dPlIQ&list=PLCBIQre8iMUIxQkiCIQ1qVkyhes3ciYC-&index=1&t=1647s

[frosty kindle]

appreciate gang

[alpine escarp]

Anyone got an opinion on magazine size vs. reload speed on an MP7?

[subtle bluff]

That stats should always be DTTooC (Dmg to Target out of Cover)

Unless you're talking about Mod

If mod mag size always

[alpine escarp]

Absolutely I get that. Never the less if those are my choices atm?

[rancid gulch]

is the exotic lmg in the season pass any good? i’m about to get it and wanna know if it’s worth using

[buoyant perch]

no

[remote tapir]

Where do you guys get the most recent builds? I found the google docs sheet but it isnt updated

[solar sable]

they're the same

they haven't changed a lot

[remote tapir]

Ah ok ty

Any recommendation for something thats tanky but also high dmg?

[subtle bluff]

The builds are teh same

[subtle bluff]

Heartbreaker

[worn mango]

I sometimes don't understand how you can be rolling with pistol 1 shot and then all of a sudden a named enemy is like "nah, you not good"

[summer flax]

Hello! Forgive me for asking but what's the general consensus on YouTube builds ?

[worn mango]

Very few that are worth the time to watch or make

It's a lot of rehashes and not 'optimal' stuff

[summer flax]

Noted. Do you have any recommendations?

[worn mango]

iKia is a good start, MattGoesBuck

First two off the top of my head

[subtle bluff]

In my bio there's a good playlist of stuff

Ya Matt does good since I he did them with me and my gang to get them

[worn mango]

Nice

And iKia is the biggest numbers nerd

[summer flax]

Alright thank you all! I'll go through them.

[worn mango]

I need to now unironically build that HF/IA pistol build I guess

[gusty vessel]

does sledgehammer talent still apply the bonus damage for teammates?

[shy willow]

Yes

[summer flax]

thanks again guys lol!

[terse gull]

uh... eclipse build status effect or skill dmg?

[buoyant perch]

Status effect

[cerulean smelt]

you know, i was thinking a nbb hunter's fury and IA pistol build would be hilarious

[worn mango]

Ikia talked about it and I definitely need to do it

[cerulean smelt]

oh? what did ikia say about it?

[terse gull]

thx

[cerulean smelt]

last i've watched him for the blacktusk drops was a red refactor build

[subtle bluff]

IA?

[cerulean smelt]

Imminence armaments the pistol brandset

[magic rapids]

do any of the new gear we got in the latest update affect the sniper, striker or skill builds?

[subtle bluff]

Maybe lil but really no

[cerulean smelt]

was thinking the final measured i think is skill based?

[subtle bluff]

Ya but it's a niche gearset

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, kind of figured the hive/smartcover bit

[subtle bluff]

Did some testing on Lovebirds

[cerulean smelt]

with that set? or other kinds of testing?

[subtle bluff]

Jonathon is still ahole

Yeah the measured one.

[shy willow]

It might be pretty nice

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 since it's a smart cover/hive based set could it work with birdies?

[shy willow]

Faraday and mortar absorption buys you a good bit of time to kill Martinez

[shy willow]

Datagloves just better unfortunately

[cerulean smelt]

oh, you'd probably want the backpack anyways. 10 to 1 second for mortars and skills?

[subtle bluff]

It wasn't working against those mortars weirdly.

We were trio testing

[shy willow]

Bruh

Final measure is like this close to being really good

[subtle bluff]

It only help in sense that it's pure DPS race anymore but DPS needs to still happen

[shy willow]

Give it grenade absorption and it'll be so goated

[shy willow]

Yeaaa FM means no FI

[subtle bluff]

Again Jonathon is an ahole. If he run off when you pop drone he stay there or run away

The idea was to make it easier to run 3 FTC for us

[shy willow]

I've never seen him run away with the arch strat

[subtle bluff]

Because that's the hard thing these days.

Well it's because you popped his drone he get's weird.

[shy willow]

Sometimes he takes a bit longer to come up the steps but never seen anything where he just runs off

[subtle bluff]

remember we're popping drone before doing any real dmg to Martinez

Mortars are done shooting and we popped drone with FM so then he's gone and kind does know what to do

[shy willow]

Ohh I see you mean you popped the drone with FM

So it bypasses the immunity phase?

No wonder bro is clueless😭

[subtle bluff]

YA

The idea makes sense to use FM so we can just DPS Martinez and not care a bit about Jon's skills.

I'll have to cook with the build.

I've known this we tested this in PTS

[shy willow]

Yeah it could make things quite a bit faster

But if Johnson starts roaming it kinda levels itself out😭

[tranquil surge]

is there any things to increase mag size for famas?

[subtle bluff]

Brandset bonus

[cerulean smelt]

arcabuz de brazos and true patriot

[subtle bluff]

The z one too

[cerulean smelt]

oh, i only remembered the rifle damage XD

[shy willow]

It seems they buffed huntsman so now it can sustain the buff

[cerulean smelt]

from pts testing to live or just recently?

[shy willow]

Not sure when but definitely buffed

Lasts 9s instead of 5

[lofty frigate]

Anyone recommend measured assembly build?

[magic pilot]

Frenzy in general got a buff with the dlc release

[shy willow]

Oh it's the whole talent too?

Sweet

[magic pilot]

Yep

[cerulean smelt]

caretaker is 10 seconds

nm, wrong weapon

how long does frenzy last in general?

not seeing it the library?

so is it just a flat 9 seconds?

[median hull]

On huntsman it’s 9

[hasty sluice]

any better stuff to use? running harvest for pistol.

should I run claws out and the IA set for the backpack?

[hexed steppe]

looks good from my house. havent tried it yet tho

[subtle bluff]

Is it to prefect frenzy or just huntsman?

[hasty sluice]

I hate that sawed offs are not "pistols"

[cerulean smelt]

this is what i run with it currently, need a new backpack though

[hasty sluice]

I assume Claws out isnt worth it?

[cerulean smelt]

you think melee does anything?

[hasty sluice]

i ment for the extra pistol damage]

[cerulean smelt]

?

claws out is wyvern and does skill damage and the extra is melee damage

[hexed steppe]

before this set claws was bis when picaros got nerfed

[cerulean smelt]

oh! when has claws out had pistol damage on it?

[median hull]

I think it has like 9% pistol dmg

[hexed steppe]

yes, and its a couple % more than picaros

it got a small buff at the same time

[cerulean smelt]

i've always known claws out to be the melee piece

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i have one in my stash that's collecting dust

[hasty sluice]

I have another on a side agent

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say if you can get the claws out with headshot damage and change the core to weapon damage might be worth it?

i'll give it a shot though now that i know it has pistol damage on it

[hexed steppe]

it isnt really one of those be all end all things... i doubt it displaces anything in the new setups . personally with the new set i would just fox's/contractors/punch drunk then new set similar to how you already set up

[hexed steppe]

more like 16% more wd than picaros, 🤦‍♂️ not sure why i forgot it can roll a red core

[cerulean smelt]

was going to say, if you get one with hsd and reroll core to weapon damage might mean your first hsd get hh stacks upto purples

[hexed steppe]

and tbf, ig it was always better than picaros ... even pre nerf

the real question in my mind is how the new set stacks up to hhhf , configured for highest possible damage in either

[magic pilot]

Frenzy in general

[cerulean smelt]

thank you for reminding me that

i was thinking NBB 3 hunters 2 IA and see how many times i just keep disorienting groups XD

[subtle bluff]

Back to Lovebirds shenanigans....

[hexed steppe]

its definitely a legit possibility i think. with the increased threat, one would be hard pressed to keep vigilance active at times

[subtle bluff]

2 IA?

[hexed steppe]

new set

[cerulean smelt]

? how would you get vigilence with NBB?

[hexed steppe]

no, as a replacement

if its down a lot from increased threat i meant

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, 2 ia does increased threat

[subtle bluff]

Being walking deocoy is gonna be interesting.

Have some dumb ideas.

[cerulean smelt]

oh?

[verbal gust]

Any good builds for the huntsman AR?

[subtle bluff]

Striker

[median hull]

I was going to say this too but I feel like it’s a given

[subtle bluff]

I mean you could do Nego too but that comes with a playstyle you need to learn with it.

[cerulean smelt]

widz did a video with 3 umbra, nbb, 1 fenris and 1 walker

[rich cosmos]

Im loving this new holster its so fun

Been actually giving me a reason to use cover to cover

[median hull]

I’m personally not gonna use it but the repairs are insane

[rich cosmos]

I bet its insane with blue cores

First time in a while were two of the new exotics might actually make their way into my builds

Need to farm for that new mask but I’ll wait for it to be working as intended first

[median hull]

I’m still waiting on the tinkerer mask to drop, that thing will be nasty.

[solar sable]

that's for team support, healer in this case, so you'll do almost no dmg

for dmg builds you can try:
Hotshot, Nego, OD, red HE

[cerulean smelt]

tried it, not sure how i feel about it honestly. maybe it's for a very certain playstyle for HHF/IA mix

maybe a non headshot build would work wonderfully?

[mental spoke]

i'm running this right now in random heroics, everyone else brings dps and its fun keeping the group alive

[subtle bluff]

We don't use a tank to clear leggo cleanly.

Um. I play everything. I can do Strikers well

It's what I use to solo

I rarely use hard cover it depends on cover. Mainly peek with using los

I don't use shield. Just decoy and emp sticky (banshee pulse if there's no dogs)

Ya that works. In leggo I add a exo glove then switch out acs12 for a SMG9 w/measured.

I pull out smg when it's door or chopper spawn or when I'm in the middle of reload and Rusher here.

The idea is that Elmo had big mag and in turn it has great sustain. SMG strengths are the high burst DPS.

[magic pilot]

Could be nuts tbh

[subtle bluff]

I went nuts with it 2 season ago. But now it last longer it's gonna look cooler.

[magic pilot]

MG5 is already pretty impressive

My favorite sleeper gun atm

[subtle bluff]

Division 2 combat isn't simple there's a lot in-depth to it.

[subtle bluff]

It didn't look that cool out of all the LMG I tested.

Stoner was the nuttest one.

[magic pilot]

What's the magsize on it?

[subtle bluff]

200 unmodified

[solar sable]

can we discuss ninja strikers instead

[subtle bluff]

..........

[solar sable]

no? okay 😔

[median hull]

Let’s not kid ourselves here

[subtle bluff]

I'm not? A lot people don't understand how we solo leggo without shield and all reds ok strikers.

[median hull]

Just position yourself in a decent spot then point and shoot

Maybe throw an occasional distraction like a decoy

[subtle bluff]

A bit more but ok.

But you're not wrong position is a big part.

[stark trout]

For the refractor set's return to sender perk - will i get more repairs if i add mods for repair skills?

[subtle bluff]

No.

[stark trout]

thanks

[stark trout]

also i guess Incoming repairs +xx% will not impact it?

[charred eagle]

Anybody got a backfire build ?

[solar berry]

broke my dps record

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages. Gdoc

[urban palm]

Can u get the new dlc exotics from countdown exo cache?

[subtle bluff]

No

[worn isle]

bleed build with pestilence good for solo only yes?

[spark notch]

Just got to 40. Are there anyhwere to see some builds to start working for

[tall sphinx]

Looking for a high dps ar/lmg build

[patent fossil]

check the pinned spreadsheet, lots of good builds in there

[copper holly]

U recommend that backfire build?

[charred ferry]

Yes backfire hazpro striker build is dope

[subtle bluff]

Pesti tick is not a Status Effect.

[worn isle]

some users as i know using with exotic vest and anarchist cockbook

[subtle bluff]

Ridgeway pride isn't a good Chest gear pc.

[worn isle]

which one you recommend?

[subtle bluff]

I need more context what are you trying to do.

[worn isle]

build it bleed build

[subtle bluff]

In the Pinned Messages. You want Ongoing Directive build.

[pseudo shard]

Is the new exotic mask bugged?

Thank you, I will but away my build with it then until it’s fixed

[worn isle]

gotcha thanks for the reply^^

[violet juniper]

It caps at 1 stack lol

[violet juniper]

Can be good for SMG builds

[copper holly]

What talent on the chest piece

[versed summit]

Obliterate

[slow root]

Got the Strikers Gear. What should I be looking to do/improve now…?

[patent fossil]

better to run a ceska obliterate chest (it's awkward to maintain 200 striker stacks in most content) and either a striker backpack with coyotes mask or grupo vigilance/unstoppable force with striker mask

[versed summit]

I'd recommend checking this out or the more in depth guide in the pinned spreadsheet

[violet juniper]

We're going shopping for hunter masks

[stuck briar]

Any improvements to my striker

[patent fossil]

Check up two posts for the usual recommended version

[jaunty igloo]

pretty sure its not really worth using the chestpiece in regular content

how do people screenshot the game on pc? whenever i try it just tabs out

[elfin sonnet]

I’ve always used it along with momento just weird seeing the builds meta doesn’t use it

Also use rock ‘n’ roll to get me to 200 lol

[subtle bluff]

Win+shift+s

In most content you don’t have the time or aren’t fight enough to get past 130 stacks and keeping them for it to be worth it. Obliterate talent give 20% TWD and builds along side strikers give more DPS quickly before getting to 100 stacks

[subtle bluff]

Also Turmoil got fixed so it does what it says it says now.

[versed summit]

f12 was working but seems to have broken. I've resorted to alt+enter to enter windowed mode, then win+shift+s

[stuck briar]

Ok i’ll look into implementing the recommendations when i get home

Im prob going to keep momento tho its saved my butt in to many situations

[simple breach]

What was fixed? 🧐

[solar berry]

Obilerate

[solar berry]

What’s fixed for it? It always split your dmg from your weapon to 2 targets

[safe iron]

Is strikers gear still the best for damage?

[solar berry]

Yea

It’s the best ease of use dps gearset for high dmg

[buoyant river]

I have a question about the Pakhan..i'm trying to make it useable somehow....what would be the best third attribute for it? DTA, CHC or ROF?...I'm using the Contractors Glove mostly so I use something different than DTA on my LMGs

[versed summit]

it used to double dip certain stats for the transfer damage, it doesn't anymore.

[solar berry]

Explain? Please

[versed summit]

CHC will be best generally

[versed summit]

for instance your damage is multiplied by dtooc for your normal damage, then it's split, but the transfer damage gets multiplied by dtooc again.

[buoyant river]

Yep got that....I will try to get multiple versions with ROF and DTA somehow

[solar berry]

Mmm 🤔 never noticed that before.