td2-build-advice

[kind crest]

this is what i use for most heroic stuff, u just have to adjust ur playstyle so u dont get hit

this will definitely be one of the best builds if u truely want hybrid tho yea

ninjabike isn't really good for most things pve😅

[worn mango]

You can kinda make it work with a Headhunters build but it's still not great

[kind crest]

you would always have more dps without it i think

its a good idea for backpack but sadly just not good enough 😕

[worn mango]

Yeah

[kind crest]

it can make really fun builds tho 🙂 they just wont be the best

[lusty sparrow]

How is you lmg doing 143k? Mine with 3 legmo, contracters and all red core only gets to 20. Thats with GC

[kind crest]

maybe my expertise ? its at 28 that does ad a lot of damage

[flat halo]

I’ve tried using glass cannon but it did more harm than good for me lol

[kind crest]

and its perfect glass cannon 🙂

[lusty sparrow]

Oooooh yes i forgot they added that my shd is only 200 as well ty

[kind crest]

ahh yea then i probably have like 8% more weapon damage aswell because of the watch😅

[kind crest]

haha yea its not for everyone but personally i like it 😄 i think that build that @worn mango sent will be really good for you tho, you should try to make it 🙂

[kind crest]

also impressive that you use glass cannon with 3pcs lengmo at shd 200 lol im impressed 😊

[lusty sparrow]

Any blue screen recommendations. I am using strikers with contractors and the exotic that counts towards gear peice and the two legmo

[kind crest]

ouff wait you mean ninjabike ?

[lusty sparrow]

Yes and so far it hits decent even in legendary

[kind crest]

please try to stay away from ninjabike 🙂 its kinda a noob trap, it sounds good but it really isnt

you will get a lot more dps if you use the striker backpack

[lusty sparrow]

To be real i assumed it counted as the strikers and used its talent

I hath been a fool

[worn mango]

Yeah you'll want the Striker bag for sure

[kind crest]

u could use centurions scabbard or coyote instead 🙂

[lusty sparrow]

I have coyote so that’s perfect

[kind crest]

it does but it doesnt use the striker backpack talent, and that one boosts damage by quite a lot so its worth it for sure 🙂

[worn mango]

Coyote, Ceska/Grupo chest depending on your crit chance, Striker bag and then the rest Striker

[kind crest]

ceska would be the best for dps 🙂 its a tiny bit more than grupo

[worn mango]

Oh yeah, just depends if they're using Bluescreen and have it rolled with crit chance or not. Don't wanna waste it getting closer to 60 when you can take the crit damage

[kind crest]

and depending on if u wanna do legendary or not use the striker chest

[lusty sparrow]

I have dmg to armour on my blue screen

[kind crest]

ohh yea sorry idk the mods on the bluescreen😅 do u easily go over 50 with it ?

[kind crest]

imo best in slot for lmgs is crit chance but damage to armor is perfectly fine aswell 🙂

it really depends on what the mods are, if u take pestilence for example then best in slot is crit chance but maybe the bluescreen has lots of chc in the mods already

[lusty sparrow]

Heard that I appreciate the info yall.

[worn mango]

Yeah I have no idea off hand. I don't generally use it

[kind crest]

please check the chc of the bluescreen mods first 🙂 if it doesnt have any then chc as attribute is probably the best but if it does just try to judge for yourself if its worth keeping dta or switching to chc

[kind crest]

ohh okay i thought u knew😫 ill try to check one second

[onyx sage]

it's been nerfed to have other options be more competitive, but it's definitely better than ninjabike for sure

it's only around a 12% increase now without chest

before nerf it was 21% which was almost vigilance level lol

[kind crest]

yea i think that vigil bag is very good now isnt it ?

[onyx sage]

versatile has been good but it's situational with it

[kind crest]

yea lots of players in the incursion use it, with centurions its crazy good

[onyx sage]

i think most would still use bloody

unless you mean for tanker or something

[kind crest]

depends on what ur doing tbh, for wright dodge city but maybe for tanker bloody is good, ive seen it used yea

for duo runs i do use bloody a lot its pretty nice 🙂 for quad tho idk tbh😅

[onyx sage]

yeah i don't do a lot of incursion so i can't speak much there. i never really use centurion anywhere lol

my main kind of content is legendary and master nowadays

[kind crest]

yea outside of the incursion i dont like it either, i mainly use it glitched so the two talents are like combined

[onyx sage]

yeah i heard you can get both buffs on one

[kind crest]

and thats only whenever im matchmaking bc most groups are so shit we are stuck at gate

[onyx sage]

rip

[kind crest]

😫

[cerulean smelt]

we we've played together before (j/k i only play on PC) (> <)

[kind crest]

yea i wanna do more legendary im kinda only good in master and incursions lol, legendary solo seems like a fun thing to do aswell

[onyx sage]

if you're good at master (the kelso one) you're halfway there

most people who die to explosives in legendary just need to get better at positioning

[kind crest]

haha even if we did matchmake together and it ended up having to be gate then it was mostly the rest of the group, you seem like a decent player 🙂

[cerulean smelt]

nah, i'm terrible. why i solo XD

[kind crest]

yea that and peeking i probably need to practice a little more with that but i should be set for solo legendary already, just need to learn the techniques, solo master isnt as hard as i expected it to be

[kind crest]

with peeking i mean i stand too close to the wall for example so i get hit easier

[onyx sage]

i think with enough time you'll be able to do it

knowing how to peek is a one time thing

[cerulean smelt]

even theo parnell?

[kind crest]

yea ngl i think watching a video or two to see the positioning people use and i should be good

[kind crest]

theo is easier imo, just a lot of ads

[onyx sage]

i have one on my channel for it, just look for "how to peek with no shield"

it's 2 ways, one is being in cover and teetering on the edge

[hazy steeple]

People need an instructional video on how to look around a corner?

[onyx sage]

one is being far enough

[cerulean smelt]

i do

[kind crest]

yea i think ive seen it 🙂 i do it almost all the time its just that i get distracted and peek too much at times

[cerulean smelt]

i try my head explodes even if it's a little peak (> <)

[onyx sage]

kind of ironic how theo master is longer than kelso when it's not even a stronghold

[magic pilot]

To peek without getting hit yes

[cerulean smelt]

i know right?

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/tLopWe9NfF0?si=n9pm6Mt7w0-BrZwS

[hazy steeple]

it's the div2 equivalent of putting "may contain traces of nuts" on a packet of peanuts.

[kind crest]

it honestly just felt like an ad spam, the kelso one is the better one for sure imo

[kind crest]

yea i saw it linked recently in another discord i think 🙂 was curious so i watched it lol

[magic pilot]

That was probably me too lol

[onyx sage]

if you take away the ad spam and the modifier bullcrap i liked the mechanics and the actual spawn behaviors

[magic pilot]

I link that video and raucey grey 1886 run a lot

[onyx sage]

you can manipulate the spawns pretty well for the hacking phases

[cerulean smelt]

i definitely failed the mission solo many times
called for help got 2 people helped me run it completely for the provactor chest i wanted

[kind crest]

haha yea i think i remember ur pfp actually

[kind crest]

it wasnt bad yea, i liked the generator thing and the valve thing tbh

i did kinda miss that in the new master mission

[magic pilot]

My server profile here is different than other servers, I talked to you the other day lol

In the Reddit discord I'm meta abuser, and everywhere else I'm prodigy

[kind crest]

yea trying to solo it without any prior knowledge can be difficult, i think i duo'ed the first time and did solo straight after

[onyx sage]

they force you in combat so you can't even turn off modifiers in courtyard. with theo i guess they learned their lesson

[kind crest]

😭ur right, just familiar with this pfp of yours then

[magic pilot]

I haven't tried this seasons manhunt yet

From the PBs I'm seeing it's nothing too crazy

[onyx sage]

hop on tonight

[magic pilot]

I don't have a single scout done

[onyx sage]

bruh

[magic pilot]

But I will probably do them for the exos

[kind crest]

yea i always hated that part, i dont understand why they dont let you select modifiers or no modifiers in the mission screen or something, could seperate the leaderboards aswell to make it more fair

[onyx sage]

my conspiracy theory is they're balancing the game towards you having modifiers

so you having modifiers off will just hurt you on the leaderboards

[kind crest]

yea i think its at about 20-30mins for solo runs ? i dont remember maybe those are old times already

[magic pilot]

That wouldn't surprise me

[magic pilot]

I saw 7 min lol

[onyx sage]

7? broken only got sub 10

[worn mango]

Clearly hacking, gamers aren't allowed to be better than me

[magic pilot]

9:57 **

[kind crest]

yea but idk that sounds a little silly since these seasonal modifiers give u a speed boost and future ones might not

[magic pilot]

I just checked

[onyx sage]

exactly

[thorny kernel]

Random question but why is your pfp a screenshot of a chameleon in your inventory? Lol

[onyx sage]

idk not having leaderboards for no modifiers just turns me off so much

[worn mango]

The real question is why don't we all

[magic pilot]

Open my profile, it's a gif deconstructing it

Back in my day 👴 I used to be chameleon deconstructor, but I never changed my banner and such

[thorny kernel]

Oop

[thorny kernel]

How's this looking for a tank-ish build?

[magic pilot]

Tank- kinda garbage without team buff

[thorny kernel]

The high-end holster is the named one called Forge for +50% shield health

[thorny kernel]

Yeah that's why I'm only using it when playing with my friends

[vestal ibex]

Selfish tank.

[magic pilot]

I would ditch FB chest and backpack at least

[thorny kernel]

What should i use instead?

[magic pilot]

I'd prefer a cav tank in my group over FB if you really want to play support

[thorny kernel]

Cav?

[magic pilot]

Cavalier

[thorny kernel]

How would i set that up?

[magic pilot]

It shares your hazpro and reduces skill dmg to your teammates

[magic pilot]

What content do you want to run support in?

[thorny kernel]

High-difficulty missions and such, mostly for taking down bosses

[magic pilot]

For boss burns you will want something to buff team dmg

FI, and OD being the best options for that, TP if you want to be different and run a not as great support

[thorny kernel]

TP?

[magic pilot]

True patriot

[thorny kernel]

I was also thinking of going with Hard Wired, Restorer Hive and Mender or Reinforcer

BTSU gloves and such

[magic pilot]

If you are going to play healer, FI is by far the best option. You shouldn't need the extra haste from HW

Fi healer and OD support

[thorny kernel]

The same backpack on both builds?

[magic pilot]

FI gives your team +25% TWD which is a pretty sizeable boost

[magic pilot]

Yes it's called the setup

[thorny kernel]

And what was TWD again?

[magic pilot]

OD comes with red cores, setup comes with a blue core

Total weapon dmg, it's just an additional dmg source

[thorny kernel]

Ah

Yeah, in that case +25% sounds like a lot

[magic pilot]

Scorpio and opportunistic (backpack talent) also give your team more dmg

[magic pilot]

Most builds only have 20% at most from vigilance

I believe obliterate is TWD as well

[thorny kernel]

And that only until they're damaged by something

[magic pilot]

Fi works the same

They have to be at full armor to get the 25% but there's also no cooldown on it. So as soon as you heal them they get a dmg boost

Fi is super strong because it heals really well and gives a ton of extra dmg to the team using other components

[thorny kernel]

The reason why i was thinking of going with HW was because i could probably spam heals around

However if you say FI is better i will give it a shot

[magic pilot]

Fi buff is 25% twd
Scorpio is 20% amp
Sledge buff is another buff (don't remember the value)
Opportunistic is another 15% amp
Survivalist gives another 10% amp when enemies are status (Scorpio applies status)

And you can overcharge with BTSU, combined with someone running some form of pulse that's another amp source

[worn mango]

Grupo mask Skill Haste/Damage acquired, one down, two more pieces to go

[magic pilot]

You won't run out of heals even with FI

[thorny kernel]

Btw are there any decent support builds that do not use a gear set?

[magic pilot]

You get 36 charges on the hive and 8(?) for the chem

[magic pilot]

For support gearsets are the best option, but there is HE support versions

[thorny kernel]

Because all my builds so far use a gear set so i wanted to try one without

[magic pilot]

The reason support uses gearsets so much is because if you are focused on team buffs mask/gloves/holster/knees generally doesn't have a lot of support options so you can slot in a gearset easily

Or in FI case you use BTSU and HE backpack

[thorny kernel]

What types of build would work well relying on HE gear only?

[magic pilot]

HE "FMJ" build

Check the pinned google sheet, there's a lot of builds in there

[thorny kernel]

My phone refuses to load anything in there lol

[vestal ibex]

It's mostly named items.

HSD and crit variations

[thorny kernel]

Yeah, refuses to let me scroll or switch tabs or anything

[magic pilot]

There's an error in the HE raid build setup the crit one is missing

@vestal ibex you have a picture on hand

[vestal ibex]

I could if I get up

[magic pilot]

Breh

[vestal ibex]

Might just build it on the site

So it's easy to know what's named and such

[magic pilot]

True

[onyx sage]

most people would die anyway even if they have enough heals btw. healing isn't the bottleneck

you can build yourself to heal infinite amounts and people would still die

[severe hedge]

Is this a good piece?

I just got it from summit and I can change the Core/Attributes

[versed flame]

depending on the build.

[onyx sage]

it can be for pvp but not really relevant for pve

[severe hedge]

Whioch set would go well with it then?

[onyx sage]

for pvp?

[severe hedge]

yeah

[onyx sage]

@magic pilot ask this guy

[magic pilot]

Decent for shotgun intimidate

[agile pelican]

how can I improve

should I swap chest to non striker?

[urban latch]

Running the striker chest is really dependant on what your doing. If you are running the chest you'll likely want an acs12 to build stacks and the striker backpack. If your swapping to acs12 to build stacks, then that means losing all your chameleon stacks, which really doesn't make that worth running.

If not then go with something like obliterate, you don't need the acs12 as much, which means you can commit to the chameleon more. The m1a is way too slow firing for strikers, so ideally have another secondary.

Imo you've gone a bit overkill in survivability, I don't think you need that many armor cores, memento, and (I assume) pfe mods. It's personal preference though, but if you take off 1 armor core you'll still have a t6 shield since your getting a skill + armor tier from memento.

[violet juniper]

unless you're doing PvP (even then) this.. isn't very good

too many blue cores, not enough crit, horrible chest setup

personally, I'd swap to a Ceska chest with something like obliterate, swap the holster for a striker holster, and reroll your gear to all red

you can keep one or two blue cores if you like, that'll get you 4 red, 3 blue, 1 yellow

then swap your gear mods to CHD mods

That'll get you a lot more damage, while still keeping a lot of survivability

[subtle bluff]

Holy blue..

[thorny kernel]

Would Pointman be worth 75 countdown currency?

[hexed steppe]

if you have a build to use it in, sure

cd credits are easy to get

[dreamy valve]

Switch to firewall spec for the better shield since you’re already at that shooting distance, replace revive hive with defender drone or another skill that would actively help you during combat since your survivability is pretty layered already. I would suggest another weapon type with higher rate of fire to use once you run out of ammo for chameleon, which does happen more often than not, especially builds with low red cores. The honorable dedication to 6 blue core is very admirable, but for your weapon, I would suggest at least replacing 1 blue core with a red since you don’t have high expertise level to make up for the lack of wd

[hexed steppe]

😱

[dreamy valve]

https://youtu.be/68ugkg9RePc?si=3jMiKzERtER2tXxu

[thorny kernel]

Is there a way to get a blue or yellow core on the Exodus Gloves or are they stuck with a red one?

[buoyant perch]

Can't change the core

[thorny kernel]

Goddamnit

[versed flame]

The vest is not the best option for playing in the world, it's hard to keep stacks.

[magic rapids]

I want to dabble in trying out legendaries and master manhunt
Is there a build that can help?

[subtle bluff]

it should be left on red anyways it's kind of the point of the gloves

[patent fossil]

For DPS, strikers, negotiators or ongoing directive.
For support, foam eclipse protocol.
See the pinned spreadsheet for full build guides.

[subtle bluff]

yes and no. Gameplay knowledge is a lot more important for clearing and playing efficiently.
I always say solo or even duo legendary if you can't solo with mostly red build and no reviver a heroic stronghold you're not ready for it.

[narrow bough]

W H Y i cannot optimize it???

[patent fossil]

Need to extract max skill damage from a holster to your library

You can only optimise non exotics as high as your library saved values

[narrow bough]

i dont have it... geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

that is beyond annoying

[worn imp]

For an SMG all-red DPS build with coyotes mask, which high end SMG should I run?

[solar sable]

vector or smg 9

[hazy hull]

I know I am slow but what do we think of this build

[subtle bluff]

Can we see the build?

[hazy hull]

Recently swapped sweet dreams for an M1A classic with sadist

So currently swapping between the two lots of sadist guns to keep hollow point rounds being refilled

[subtle bluff]

Good look. Why Sweet dreams?

[hazy hull]

Originally it was just there for the kills with the shield part of the journey and I just forgot to change it back

[subtle bluff]

I mean if you’re getting thru content it looks fine to me.

[unkempt shell]

Anyone got a 1 tap sniper build

[formal salmon]

Hey. Does Hive Efficiency increase heals on Repair hives?

[solar sable]

||pd: this build has cleared about 250+ Sinkhole's||

[prime elbow]

Is this good overhaul? I

[subtle bluff]

from what? IMO not a good build.

[shy willow]

on HE setups the common choices are Providence, foxes, contractors, grupo

[hasty sluice]

never made a hotshot setup. Should I try one out if I already have this for sniping?

[subtle bluff]

Keep the Chest and BP the rest hotshot.

And I hope everything is already HSD

[hasty sluice]

you know it.

[tropic hinge]

this is one hotshot build ive created and tested it everywhere (pve), works well
vest perfect chainkiller and all stats are weapon handling + headshot damage

[hazy steeple]

So what's the purpose of the NinjaBag there?

[subtle bluff]

If you want to do more dmg take it off.

[tropic hinge]

airladi + walker 2nd bonus + bit of surv

[subtle bluff]

Like you’ll a good amount more without.

Your choice. The extra bonus is so lil vs BP talents

[tropic hinge]

what i should put in insted of ninjabike?

[subtle bluff]

Arildi with Vigilance or Concession (can’t well either)

[tropic hinge]

i would lose 1 armor core and gain nothing noticeable

[onyx sage]

you gain vigilance, which is a lot stronger than a few brands

[tropic hinge]

what it does?

[onyx sage]

25% total weapon damage

[tropic hinge]

ah that one

yeah but thats only when you dont get hit

[onyx sage]

which is easy?

you're a sniper

[tropic hinge]

idk these guys with that aimbot shooting me from 500m behind car only with arm visible

[onyx sage]

but yeah basically it's way better than any brand you can gain with ninjabike

[kind crest]

use a decoy if u struggle with getting hit 🙂

[tropic hinge]

ok then ill try

[tulip charm]

That 1 armor core does nothing anyways

[tropic hinge]

wdym 4pieces hotshot scaling with max armor doesnt ?

[onyx sage]

that's so little

[subtle bluff]

NBB always does less damage in a build.

[onyx sage]

you're still going to die in the same number of bullets

[tulip charm]

What is the bonus armor % from hotshot

[onyx sage]

not to mention you can play well enough to not take damage in pve anyways

[tulip charm]

Like at that point just use bloodsucker

[onyx sage]

it's such a misconception that you have to take damage in pve

[tropic hinge]

alr ty for info

[zenith plover]

What pieces should i replace on a 6 piece striker? Im a noob and just started farming gear

[tulip charm]

I bet dien has an alt account to spread gospel about NBB

[subtle bluff]

Chest with Ceska obli

[subtle bluff]

Why I made that clip to prove all the non-believers.

[onyx sage]

i would never make an alt account especially to adjust the public perception of an average player...

[tulip charm]

Other than ceska chest w/ obliterate your sixth piece depending on what you so

[tulip charm]

Surely

[subtle bluff]

I gave NBB a really heavy advantage since the non-NBB lost out on so much HSD.

[tulip charm]

I always believed that nbb was gonna be good in the future if they started power-creeping brand set bonus

But here we are many years later

💀

[tropic hinge]

i was thinking that i have the most OP backpack in the game

all cores + 1 free gear set

[subtle bluff]

Why we call it a Noob Trap bag.

[tulip charm]

Thats memento tho

Truly a godsend of a backpack

[tropic hinge]

also have this striker, any recommendations?

like should i replace vest?

[subtle bluff]

If it works it works. Turmoil can mess you up if you don’t get your DPS going

No it’s fine

[hexed steppe]

im guessing tested with reanimated turned on. one of the few times it doesnt matter if you have ninja or not. its basically a choice between one shot killing, or one shot overkilling .
outside this event you want vigilance as mentioned by others

[zenith plover]

Got it, cause obliterate stacks with striker's right?

[cerulean smelt]

more like you're lacking in chc/chd because strikers only rolls with 1 core and 1 attribute
so you need other talents to compensate for that lack of damage

[lucid loom]

I’m I good with this build?!?!?

[solar sable]

Monke see bikeninja
Monke leave chat

[unkempt shell]

I follow u

[bright raptor]

is this bait

[cerulean smelt]

probably

[tulip charm]

No

Just play how you want to play

[zenith plover]

Got it

[fallen comet]

Bait used to be believable

[onyx sage]

wtf am i looking at

[hexed steppe]

New meta 🔥

[worn mango]

New meta before DLC, yuge news

[hexed steppe]

I sure hope you're good... you'll be carrying the build instead of the build carrying you.
If this isnt trolling, go ahead and read the ninja talent again .

[dreamy grotto]

its better to change high end gears to 4pcs of some green set, ofc leaving nbb in place

[magic pilot]

Don't upgrade armor

[thorny kernel]

That backpack isn't worth it in most cases, because the set bonuses it gives +1 to aren't enough to give up an actual backpack talent for

Plus, you already have 3 Fenris pieces so the backpack does absolutely nothing for that

Assuming that this is an assault rifle dps build, i suggest replacing the backpack with a fenris backpack and using Coyote's mask instead of the fenris mask

[shy vessel]

Gonna be honest I'm having a hard time making a viable pvp build that uses eb

[magic pilot]

Because eb is not great atm

What do you have so far?

[cerulean smelt]

was goign to say a long time ago it was meta but that was pre gears 2.0

[stiff jasper]

Most viable for main eb probably striker and umbra, you need damage to activate buff

[shy vessel]

umbra

just does not hit hard at all

only hits like 140k with all buffs for a crit

[atomic trench]

is virtuoso a usable set?

[cerulean smelt]

i use it with my Pestilence, been pretty fun

[atomic trench]

i see, might give it a try

[main estuary]

I GOTIT I FUKCKKCKCINGGOTIT

IGOTHTECLAWSOUTOMGOMOGM

IT TOOK 4 FVCKING DAYS BUT I GOT IT

[cerulean smelt]

time to dismantle it and join us

[main estuary]

what?

DISMANTLE MY BELOVED??

HELL NO

[tulip charm]

The question is is it a good one

[main estuary]

wdym good one

[cerulean smelt]

people dismantle things them comes to discord "i accidently deconstructed this thing, how do i get it back"

[cerulean smelt]

probalby a Ninja backpack (> <)

[tulip charm]

Claws is only used for pistol one shot and melee

[main estuary]

yea it says 11.0% pistol dmg

and 500 melee

the other one is stat effect

but i maxed it out

[tulip charm]

Dismantle /s

[main estuary]

imma use chem with the build

[tulip charm]

💀

[cerulean smelt]

like i said earlier, dismantle it and become one of us

[main estuary]

if i actually did that i would end it all

[main estuary]

why?

[cerulean smelt]

not a true division player if you didn't accidentally dismantle it and ask how to get it back 😹

[main estuary]

i reject that title, im not a noob or a pro. im a monster

ts was so corny but idc

[cerulean smelt]

waves at mods Jaj1nka isn't one of us and needs to be downgraded lol
j/k though congrats on getting it finally

[main estuary]

thank you thank you

time to crack open some children in conflict

...wait that sounds wrong

[cerulean smelt]

would you be wrong though?

[main estuary]

nah

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 summer vacation probably going to be a lot of them in there soon anyways

[main estuary]

yealol

[cerulean smelt]

i just want to fast forward to the 26th honestly

[main estuary]

whats on the 26th?

[hazy steeple]

the day before the DLC drops.

[cerulean smelt]

i can buy broooklyn and the next day jump into brooklyn and get that smartcover and give it whorl

[main estuary]

ru a bot?

[cerulean smelt]

no their a person, with some serious discord powers

[hazy steeple]

As an AI language model, I can only respond to certain keywords.

[main estuary]

what smart cover again? is it the thing that comes out the sticky bomb in dv 1, or the thinf you throw down and get some cover

[main estuary]

what are your keywords?

[hazy steeple]

As an AI language model, I can only respond to certain keywords.

[main estuary]

what are some keywords

[cerulean smelt]

in div 1 it was something taht looked like you shot it out of a sticky bomb launcher or you apply it behind the cover you take like a sticky RFID thing

[main estuary]

ohh ok, that other one was called mobile cover right?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, definitely never getting in div 2, too many exploits it got used in

[main estuary]

like what...

im scared to ask tbh

oh

i remember you could get free striker stacks off it

if its holstered

[patent fossil]

Maybe it's a timezone thing but they did just say BfB won't be available in the store until it releases.

May I remind you that discussing exploits is against the rules?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, drib put a code showing the release date

[hexed steppe]

Keywords like "checkout my youtube/twitch/social platform" or "hey check out this (insert specific exploit)"

[main estuary]

its...for...educational purpposes?

[main estuary]

"checkout my youtube/twitch/social platform"

[hexed steppe]

🤦‍♂️

[main estuary]

what? id did what you said

[hexed steppe]

I'm glad you arent smarter

[main estuary]

was that a backhanded compliment?

[patent fossil]

Yeah, the purpose of the rule is to prevent/minimize certain types of education

[hexed steppe]

Stay on the AI's good side

[cerulean smelt]

if only other server had something against those
watched a conversation
if you want damage watch this youtube video
if you want shd level watch this youtube video

[main estuary]

ok, buzzkill—i was genuinely curious. but seriously, i apologize if i broke any rules. i completely understand if there are consequences i’ll have to face.

[cerulean smelt]

you probably won't face them really, probably me just giving examples

[main estuary]

ok

im tearing open some yungins rn

they dont stanmd a chance

[patent fossil]

You're all good for now, just don't go asking after details or giving them out to others in the future.

[thin otter]

is dark winter good with a red core chc build?

[hazy steeple]

As long as you can take advantage of its tiny range: yes.

Slap it on a Hunters Fury setup and laugh.

[thin otter]

gotta try that

im currently running scorpio with ongoing directive, thats fun

[cerulean smelt]

you going to do that with catalyst mask?

i'll definitely do a hunter's fury with catalyst mask combo, just not sure of the weapons honestly XD

[hazy steeple]

That would get in the way of the Memento I have on there currently.

@thin otter btw, try that combo. So good.

HF on the rest, Memento, and a ceska chest.

[thin otter]

what about coyote replacing the memento

[cerulean smelt]

you could, but memento will be great since you'll be in close range to pick up them trophies

[hazy steeple]

As it's an SMG focused setup, you're going to be closer to the 1st Coyotes Buff, not the 2nd.
plan your stats accordingly.

[cerulean smelt]

close was 10 and 10?

[hazy steeple]

15-25m: +10% critical hit chance and +10% critical hit damage
25m+: +25% critcal hit Chance```

[cerulean smelt]

oh nm, mid was 10 and 10

[hazy steeple]

CHD is less critical than CHC from Coyotes for sure.
I'd honestly not suggest it, but it could be fun.

[magic pilot]

Also HF with coyotes mask is not great

Because HF chest and BP are kind of not good

[peak meadow]

Obligatory HHF build mention

Decoyspell, pull up the clip

[hazy steeple]

You probably aren't doing that with a Dark Winter.

I mean you can, but.....like, don't.

[peak meadow]

Okay but can I still post the clip

I had it primed and everything

[hazy steeple]

As long as it's not from your channel, go for it.

[magic pilot]

The goat

[peak meadow]

It's from a friend, it's sort of a meme to post it at this point

[magic pilot]

He's in here too

[thin otter]

damn

[peak meadow]

He's everywhere

[magic pilot]

@onyx sage

[thin otter]

basically 2hit legendary heavy

[hazy steeple]

It's like all of my alt accounts.
I mean.....don't worry about it.

[thin otter]

nuts

[magic pilot]

1 shot to break helmet 1 shot to kill

Technically you can one shot a chunga through armor but it's kind of annoying unless necessary

[peak meadow]

If I was Dien's alt account, I would be confused

At how I cannot play DPS

[small light]

what type of build is that

[peak meadow]

Hunter's Fury with Headhunter, all rolls to headshot damage

[small light]

what shotgun

[onyx sage]

m870

[peak meadow]

He now does this without a shield

[cerulean smelt]

convert to it, you'll love it and become a Decoyspell Disciple

[peak meadow]

Dien?!

First off, you ever dream of me running a DPS build, you better wake up and apologize

Second, not me

[small light]

does the build use an exotic

[peak meadow]

I am a proud yellow core player

[peak meadow]

Ask @onyx sage, that's the dude in the video

[small light]

thanks

[onyx sage]

it uses regulus but in the clip it is not used

it doesn't use any exotic gear

[small light]

thanks man

[hexed steppe]

There is a carnage on sale at cd vendor this week. Perfect fit on od

[cerulean smelt]

wouldn't that be good in your mortar supremacy build too?

[hexed steppe]

No

No red cores

Need boom boom boosting. Cap is the answer

[cerulean smelt]

i know, was teasing ya. tried to come up with something clever like shooting a good amount of nonlethals at something eventually they die right? DX

[hexed steppe]

[cerulean smelt]

hate your hybrid build though. too addicting

[hexed steppe]

Oh you made that, aye

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, was like let's give this a try. ohhhhhhh

[hexed steppe]

I'm an ok builder sometimes 😎

[cerulean smelt]

you going to run that with smartcover or you making a new build for smart cover?

[hexed steppe]

Havent thought about next season tbh. I'll wait till I start getting stuff. Who knows what will change before it drops

[cerulean smelt]

just watched a video on potentially new blood coming into div 2

i hope we get a big influx of new players

someone posted a picture here or other server Div 2 in Xbox Game Pass in 6 days 👀

[hexed steppe]

Nice. You'll see a bump in the first couple weeks anyways. Time will tell

[worn mango]

I tried it again and man I just can't do it. The handling is no bueno

And isn't it only 35% to standard 30%?

[hazy steeple]

Carnage and OD is like deck' and a mortar build.

[hexed steppe]

Yeah attached at the hip in either case 😎

[hexed steppe]

You have room to run handling and still crit over 1m

[hazy steeple]

I threw chc on as the attribute on it.
changed my life, made me a better person.

[hexed steppe]

I run 12% wh sight reload grip , 50mag from gunner, and crit chance muzzle

[worn mango]

I believe I have CHC and while big mag nice, I feel like I just hit more with Lexi

[hexed steppe]

Yeah mine also 3rd roll chc

[worn mango]

See I feel like running a 50 mag makes it a worse AR

[cerulean smelt]

the build i run with lexington i'm sitting at something like 219% chd and 50%ish chc, kind of nice if you ask me XD

[hexed steppe]

More amp ammo is better... I also run with bluescreen so I'm sitting on 350 bleed Ammo between the 2

[worn mango]

I did have Bluescreen as backup and it is fun

[hexed steppe]

Od is just really geared towards lmg specifically because of the big mag imho.

[worn mango]

What skills are you running?

[hexed steppe]

Ar I'll get more damage out of striker or nego

Gunner pulse /emp sticky

[worn mango]

Sticky, interesting

[hexed steppe]

Yeah great for dogs or when you need to stagger something

[worn mango]

I'll have to give it a try with more handling to see where my chc/chd comes out

[dreamy valve]

Coyotes+Ongoing Directive+Overwatch= my group going wild with damage bruhs

[worn mango]

Wicked/Vigilance would be more solo I'm assuming. What's Overwatch do?

[hexed steppe]

I can post my stats once I'm home later

[worn mango]

I think as long as I'm near 52% with CHC and the rest is crammed into CHD on gear, then just have to balance the gun out

[solar sable]

game pass people often go for souls-like games, 2D platform (Diablo ofc) and some new releases other than old games. Not saying that div2 will be ignored, but a lot of people will not even consider it

anyways!

[worn mango]

Popping open my game again because I gotta see why my OD is a skill issue when I use LMG's lol

CHC 51.5, CHD 129, two chance one damage mod on gear, Coyote, Ceska backpack, rest OD with CHD

[steep raven]

How does Cavalier work?? Does incoming skill damage mean like- ANYTHING skill? Like the black tusk “mini tank drone”, the exploding rc cars and drones, Warhounds? I never know cuz sometimes I feel I can just tank some damage but other times I feel Cavalier does absolutely nothing

[zenith plover]

wjats a good build for a Strega

[thorny solstice]

All dps builds will work with that. Strikers, heartbreaker or brandset.

[hexed steppe]

If using vigilance you could be deactivated often. Personally wicked has perfect synergy

[worn mango]

I use Wicked anyway but I've seen Vigi

[dreamy valve]

vigilance is less reliable if youre not using a shield

[subtle bluff]

It's bad gearset. It's a don't use it gearset.

@hexed steppe I've become a ND monster in leggo now.

[pseudo shard]

Weird build from a clan member

[onyx sage]

5.11 god mode builds

[urban latch]

you mean bad

[onyx sage]

solo never die

[hexed steppe]

Nice.
Nego is 😍
Still my favorite dps 💯

Glass/coyote or glass/fox's

[lusty sparrow]

Wrong chat apologies

[zenith plover]

how do i unlock legendary difficulty??

[patent fossil]

If you've unlocked heroic difficulty, you should have access to legendary as well. It's only available in a few places though - the 5 strongholds (only on regular mission mode, not manhunt) and summit

[zenith plover]

i already have heroic

how do i check my world tier and what is the hiighest?

[slate spoke]

does the decoy take less damage also?

[patent fossil]

World tiers don't exist any more. Reaching level 40, completing the base game storyline and invasion are all that is required

[zenith plover]

so what stages have legendary again??

[onyx sage]

strongholds

[subtle bluff]

Sorry what? No?

[subtle bluff]

I didnt really like in heroics but things with HP I get it! But I'm really liking it with Bluescreen. Atm using Ceska obli haven't tried GC yet. Using exo gloves only because I've been the carry and have been taking on all the agro but I can see coyotes doing a good amount more.

[dreamy valve]

Decoy is currently the best tank in the game behind Turret drone

Turret drone can take a huge beating with a high duration, and can still do damage

[tulip granite]

the bit i dont get about the striker build all red from the spreadsheet is the pistol why that one and what point would you use it is it for pistoliro? or has some other use?

[solar sable]

it actually does matter much, it's a matter of preference. But, TDI Kard helps as it gives a skill tier when equipped on hand

[shy willow]

Sidearms are purely backup weapons except on one build I can think of

Generally you go for orbit, kard custom, or anything with sledgehammer

[tulip granite]

thats what im asking what is the circumstances of using it

[solar sable]

Regulus is the only thing that fits those "circumstances" you mention

almost no one uses pistols

[subtle bluff]

For orbit finisher talent I like using when I'm not super stress on ttk the buff it gives is big. Otherwise pistol are w/e

[violet juniper]

heh, true pat

[tulip granite]

did they change how determined works i used to be able to 1 shot non heavy's hyenas as long as i had got a HS to proc it and when got the buff i dont shoot the helm that used to work

it worked at least yesteday

is the reanimate bricking it

[subtle bluff]

Nothing has changed. What's the build you're using?

[tulip granite]

the same one i used last time it worked dont remember it all but was 4 set with chainkiller and determined

[subtle bluff]

Unless you have a clip I can't much more. I've used Determined fine with the GE.

also I have no idea what your build is.

[tulip granite]

well the idea is you shoot a head and all other shots are headshot build and it was working less than 24hrs ago on hyena's and now its not i used the same gun the same everything the only 2 things that changed was reanimate and watch a bit stronger it pops the helm off with it but then i loose my perk and as i said it was working yesterday

[solar sable]

Can you just show the goddamn build? I don't mean to be rude, but if you want us to help, then help us to help you.

[tulip granite]

1 im not on the game 2 a picture would now show it and what else info do you need i told you what it does and what it did and the 2 talents what changed since yesterday vs the same faction vs the same units

it was with a marksman rifle that had 11 rounds and stayed scoped with each shot so it was not like sr1

my plan was to ask a simple question find out then go to sleep

[shy willow]

No, they haven't changed how determined works, end of

[tulip granite]

so what was going on is it meant to 1 shot helmed hyena's or not as i said it worked yesteday and the day before and years ago too

[shy willow]

It does not and has not been able to penetrate plating on anything other than a warhound

[tulip granite]

so its been not working as intended for years for me then?

[shy willow]

Expect to lose proc when fighting helmed enemies

[tulip granite]

i only used to loose it if i shot the helm with the talent proced

[shy willow]

If you have determined no matter where you shoot it will hit the helmet

[tulip charm]

We should add helmets to everything

Including dogs

[tulip granite]

that would suck for all snipers

[tulip charm]

Gotta humble the determined abuser

[tulip granite]

not just determined ones

[tulip charm]

A sacrifice Im willing to make

[solar sable]

Absolutely agree

[tulip charm]

When was that post. Cuz determined did get ‘fixed’ at one point where if you have determined proc and didnt headshot with it, it didn’t refresh the talent.

And it was quickly reverted

[tulip granite]

this post was 2 years ago dont know where i see the exact date but as i said it was working the way it had been for me yesterday and only just stopped doing what it had been doing

less than 5% of my time is spent on this build as i mainly just use a striker with elmo as i feel its easyer but i just wanted to relax and pop some heads before i went to sleep

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[subtle bluff]

Get back online then show us the build or a clip of the issue otherwise we can't help you.

[subtle bluff]

Works fine.

[hasty sluice]

What we thinking about Strega + negotiators? Never used either and I want to try something new for the dlc drop.

[subtle bluff]

Strega talent doesn't work with nego. Only the target you kill with the gun procs

[hasty sluice]

.....

thats dumb

[lucid loom]

Ok bet 👍🏾

[subtle bluff]

Nego is doing the dmg to the other targets not the gun.

[hasty sluice]

Negos delem is an odd set. I seems like it wants you to spray down some people then pick one and shoot it.

[tight jackal]

looking at the regulus headhunter build and since i dont have regulus was looking at the alternatives and it says a 676 magnum but i feel like 676 magnum doesn't exist

isn't it only the police 686 and the 586?

[onyx sage]

it's 686 yeah

any magnum will work. they are all the same except looks

[tight jackal]

oh really lol

i thought there was a difference

[flint axle]

Can anyone give a genuine rundown on armor damage vs regular health damage? I can tear thru health but armor is a pain is there not a armor damage stat on armor?

[onyx sage]

you "tear thru" health because health is so much smaller compared to armor

if you want to do more armor damage, you really just want more damage in general, so it's a build issue

[flint axle]

fair enough

thx

[cerulean smelt]

if you got turmoil knees, put them on that thing and really mess with your build XD

[onyx sage]

there is a pinned sheet in this channel for the best builds, take a look at striker as your first, then ongoing directive and negotiator's as your next choices

[zenith plover]

Do I need to refarm all my gear when i go higher in difficulty so that the stats are higher? Or the item stats like defense, dps etc... will still stay the same because the st elmos that i picked up during the summit run on normal has i think 68k damage and the one that i picked up in hard mode has 69.8k damage

[bright raptor]

the base damage stat doesn't matter

the attribute rolls matter, which get better the higher the difficulty, but a max roll is always possible regardless of difficulty

[zenith plover]

Thanks a bunch

And whats a good build for someone who has skill issues like use to tackle solo at least on challenging? Haha is the shield armor regen a good one, or should I start with striker as a farming gear then build the build that I want?

[versed summit]

this is a good one to start with for solo

[cerulean steeple]

Really enjoying my Nego Build with St Elmos, same build as yours and it rocks

[zenith plover]

Thanks for this one, can Strega, St. Elmo or Chameleon can be used in this build? Cause I have those 3

[versed summit]

yeah those work

[zenith plover]

Ill just target loot backpacks for the memento

What is that talent icon for the chest piece??

[cerulean steeple]

its an exotic pal

[subtle bluff]

Obliterate

[zenith plover]

Thanks

[hexed steppe]

Exotic chest talent?

Gonna have to explain that one pal🤔

[cerulean steeple]

Sorry replied to wrong message, my bad lol

[hexed steppe]

Now try it with glass chest 😎

Nego is 😍

[cerulean steeple]

Will give that a whirl then

[hexed steppe]

It's hard to beat nego in most content. Once used to the mechanic, it just works. The target shifting to keep 3 marks throws some people off.

being able to use transfer to destroy immune items, or to transfer damage types conditioned on your target to all marks is really strong when understood.

I'm surprised more dont use it... I mostly see striker in matchmaking

[bright raptor]

needs more than basic "enemies are here" situational awareness

also if you're doing well with it the enemies are very, very mad at you

[loud pine]

too much thinking strikers goes brrr

[tulip granite]

@subtle bluffcant see clearly but that does not look like hyenas

[vestal ibex]

Determined will drop on helms and has been that way since the third fix or revert they did during the season it came out in.

[tulip granite]

not what im refering to

[vestal ibex]

Well reading thru the convo you said you were dropping on helms which wasn't your case like 2 days ago?#td2-build-advice message

[tulip granite]

the only thing i can see what is happening is i have enough dmg to 1 shot helmed normal elite hyenas and as they die at the same time when the helm gets shot i keep the perk giving the same looks as determined doiing it i just wondering why only recently i felt it was not working its like my scope was off

just thought elites would have more hp than 22m

[vestal ibex]

Are you using turmoil?

[tulip granite]

nope

[vestal ibex]

Solo heroic it's like 10m

[tulip granite]

lets say what i just said is true then why did it seem to change

as i have always said in genaral chat or ask td2 community about the setup

i know i said about it 1-2 years ago to but back then it was working like how i thouught it was uptill recent

[vestal ibex]

Could you clarify what your issue is and what you think should be happening? Just so I'm not misunderstanding what it is that's happening.

[tulip granite]

im not going though this shit again for something i hardly play as

all the info is in the chat

[vestal ibex]

link to message?

[tulip granite]

what one i sent like 20-30 about thi

[vestal ibex]

#td2-build-advice message This?

[hazy steeple]

@tulip granite Chill out.

[vestal ibex]

I think what rivens means is "the guy is trying to help you but helping means understanding your issue in clear terms"

[tulip granite]

i just dont know how i can be any more clear in what problem i am having

[vestal ibex]

Are you saying at some point and time determined killed thru helmets?

[tulip granite]

i said what gun i was using with what talent i was using what faction i was shooting at what type of mob it was and what it used to do and what its not doing and what chest talent i had and when it last was working and upto when i first saw it not working

[vestal ibex]

Am I correct? Your saying determined killed thru helmets?

[tulip granite]

thats how it appered to work as of recently untill i asked about did determined change

[hazy steeple]

The lack of full stops in your replies are not helping with the communication issue.

[tulip granite]

....... put them where you like

[vestal ibex]

Well I'm telling you that determined has never worked as such in any iteration of the game.

[patent fossil]

It used to toggle off every other shot, meaning a body shot would just be a body shot (and therefore kill the helmeted enemy without needing to break the helmet, but at the cost of HH stacks)

[vestal ibex]

You might have just been killing rushers with the green cloud so it wasn't an issue until you hit some.

[tulip granite]

i tried with reanimate off too

and global on

[vestal ibex]

Well you are not going to kill a helmed enemy with determined buff active.

[tulip granite]

what ever was happeneing as of recently with the same setup vs the same faction is no longer working as i said it had been for me vs that faction with the same shot location

[vestal ibex]

I don't know what to tell you, faction/diff/map it doesn't matter. If your claim is "I could kill helmed enemies with determined in 1 shot" you must be mistaken or misremembering.

[tulip granite]

i did say what might be happening

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but you wont repeat or clarify your issue.

[urban latch]

Some hyenas in certain early game missions don't have helmets. Idk if that's what you were thinking of

[tulip granite]

that 22m chest shot is enought to kill them outright and the talent is shooting off the helm at the same time as the body shot giving the looks of killing them with a headshot

[urban latch]

Zashk, idk if you think your being clear or if English just isn't your first language, but several people have tried to help you and are all not understanding you fully.

[tulip granite]

#td2-build-advice message

[urban latch]

This is incredibly hard to read and understand

[tulip granite]

i thought i would not have to say what i just said to the same person who i have been talking to

[urban latch]

Break your thoughts up into multiple sentences

With periods

[hazy steeple]

@tulip granite Your filtered message indicates that you could do with a break from the server for a while.
Take a day or so, then come back with a clearer head.

[tulip granite]

i had but someranom came into the conversation when i had replyed to someone else who messged me

[magic pilot]

Yea that's how discords work

Random people jump in

[hazy steeple]

As this is a public server, anyone is allowed to reply to your messages.

[vestal ibex]

I feel like chow is in the same boat tho.

We all probably are at this point.

[magic pilot]

I can't understand what he's even asking

[magic pilot]

This is how it's always worked

[subtle bluff]

Keep simple. If you have a pic or a clip of what's happened it'll explain everything to us.

[patent fossil]

Best just leave it, judging by the filtered message zashk is unwilling to continue trying to explain anyway

[tulip granite]

how can i clip something that is no longer happening the way it looked like it used to happen

[magic pilot]

You lose determined if you shoot any enemies that have a helmet doesn't matter where you hit them

This is always how it's worked

[subtle bluff]

If you can't replicate the issues, then it shouldn't be an issue anymore.

[vestal ibex]

I think the claim is that determined killed helmed enemies and doeosn't anymore but I couldn't get that confirmed.

[tulip granite]

what ever was going on the other day and years ago is no longer happening now the issue i have is it was working in a way that is no longer working for me as of the other day

[hazy steeple]

Are you trying to say that it was working, then wasn't, then was, now isn't again?

[urban latch]

Periods are just super useful

[hazy steeple]

Been down that road, it's not taking.

[tulip granite]

no im saying it was it was now it is not

what ever was going on is no longer doing the same thing

[onyx sage]

we're just going to be in circles until you have a clip of it happening so we can look at it, but everyone here including me has not experienced such a thing.

[vestal ibex]

"I used to have insert thing that used to happen but now I have insert thing that happens now"

[hazy steeple]

@tulip granite If at any point you realise that you made a mistake here and want to back out, just don't reply to any of the messages and people will move on.
I promise you that no one will harass you over it.

[tulip granite]

i cant go back in time to clip something i did the other day

[onyx sage]

then don't and let it go

[tulip granite]

look i already said what might have happened and how it happened

[urban latch]

We aren't asking you to time travel, just show us what is currently going on and we can discuss if that's normal

[tulip granite]

just how what ever was happening is no longer happening the same way

[patent fossil]

The way you say it's happening now is how it's always been for us. Without a clip of what you think used to happen, there's no way anyone can clear up the confusion.

[magic pilot]

Clip how it's working now. And we can share if we have the same experience

[tulip granite]

last time i tried showing a friend a clip with a different game the game closes then i asked why a GFN mod said something about its heavy on the cpu so i cant clip

i dont even know if uplay has a record clip

[vestal ibex]

Uplay don't.

[hazy steeple]

Your graphics card came with one pre-installed.

[tulip granite]

dont have one

[hazy steeple]

....

[tulip granite]

i have a 11-13 year old apu

why do you think i use gfn

[vestal ibex]

What is GFN?

[subtle bluff]

Again, if it isn't an issues anymore then. Then let's move on.

We can't go back into anyone's past. To look and figure out exactly what you're talking about.

[tulip granite]

geforce now its a cloud game service that allows you to use a pc though the cloud

[hazy steeple]

geForce has a recorder.

source: my PC.

[tulip granite]

so i dont have access to any windows or programs outside of the game and yeah i just said it crashes the game

last epoch i mean

[hazy steeple]

As div2 was released in 2019, and Last Epoch came out in 2024, you might want to give it another go.

[tulip granite]

i dont even know where pic and clips get saved as its not my pc that i take the clip on

i tried in eearly access and that was years ago and i tried not long after season 2 started on LE and it still crashed

[hazy steeple]

They go to the videos folder if they're a video, and pictures if they're a picture.

[tulip granite]

i dont have access to any folders as its not my pc i cant even edit any .ini for ugridstoload 11

[hazy steeple]

Are you able to get your message across via a screenshot instead of a clip?

[tulip granite]

no as the speed of the bullets is too fast

look at this point i dont care its not like its my main build it was just something that was not acting the way it seemed to as of recently if it was my main build i would care a little more

[urban latch]

Have you tried hitting ctl + F1 2 to start/stop recording? My understanding is that's the default with GeForce now

It should just be built into what you already have

[hasty sluice]

Pardon can you explain what "transfer damage types conditioned on your target" means? Literally just tried nego for the first time yesterday. Seems fun, just a little confusing. Would love a weapon recommendation.

[onyx sage]

you mark a target that's in cover, and crit on a target out of cover.

the target in cover takes the damage that the target out of cover takes, with dttooc, even though he is in cover.

dttooc is a conditional damage type

[hasty sluice]

Ohhh

That makes alot of sense

[onyx sage]

same goes for dta, dth, etc. dta actually applies twice

[hasty sluice]

So dta hits the shot target, then also applies to the marked target/s?

[onyx sage]

yes, if both have armor

[hasty sluice]

Also with nego being able to damage through immune I'd be able to as an example: mark wyvern when she is in damage phase, then shoot anther target to kill her?

[onyx sage]

yes

for most* immune targets

[patent fossil]

Guess the game has to let you land a crit on them first to mark them

Betting it doesn't work on recruiter

[vestal ibex]

Most immune targets still get crit, it's like it does all the math and work and then at the end returns immune

[hasty sluice]

That's funny lamo

[onyx sage]

no, some targets are coded to prevent taking nego damage, but that's very late into the game

like incursion bosses

you can still crit on immune targets

[hasty sluice]

In terms of guns.. just run Lexington?

[vestal ibex]

Most higher RPM weapons are good for it cause the stacking rat race. Huge list of weapons in the build guide for it tho. Mostly preference tho.

[hasty sluice]

That's fair. Might try messing around with different ar, and smgs. I've found recently I enjoy the Fal

[wanton bear]

Is there any good builds to run with the refractor? Not sure if mine is making the cut exactly

[violet juniper]

refactor*

[agile pelican]

should I add the foxes, or what should I improve on?

[violet juniper]

4 piece refactor, 2 piece Hana-U, and Capacitor

most people use glass cannon for more healing

[wanton bear]

Autocorrected rip

[violet juniper]

oh and combined arms for backpack talent

[wanton bear]

I'll give it a try thanks

[patent fossil]

Don't run foxes. Swap chest for ceska obliterate, maybe get some more red cores instead of blue

Swap chameleon for something with more consistent damage (famas/police m4 with damage talent, st elmo, etc)

[violet juniper]

chameleon is pretty good tbf

just heavily relies on the talent

[patent fossil]

Only if you can keep the buffs up, takes too long to build them from scratch

Plus short range and can't really make use of any other weapon

[vestal ibex]

Exactly and unless you are keeping track of it and logging how much you personally keep it up and then doing the math to see if it actually works out it's better to just take a gun that isn't gonna be worse most of the time.

[hasty sluice]

I was recommended this. Chest should be glass

[vestal ibex]

Chest talent can be obliterate/glass it's very little damage difference and more preference. thought this was for his striker build my b.

[wanton bear]

Damn still gotta get memento. Would ninja bike work for a temp instead?

[hasty sluice]

Never use ninja if you are not going for a gold build. Even then....

You could use a combined arms backpack as a place holder.

[wanton bear]

Fair enough thanks

[violet juniper]

Use a Hana-U backpack with combined arms

If you don't use 2pc hana-U then use Memento and a Wyvern chest piece with glass cannon

that'll get you what you need

[magic rapids]

does build make sense
i havent yet put everything into place but this is the template i made
4factor pieces (backpack and best)
waveform and a wyvern

[urban latch]

the refractor chest and backpack really arent worth running, your much better off running high end with talents, or something like memento in that picture above

[thorny kernel]

Is ACS-12 with Pummel decent?

And if it triggers, does it use reserves to refill the mag or does it just add ammo to the mag?

[stiff jasper]

personally I don't suggest backpack when you having lot of blues
The main reason you build with blue because you foresee you will taking damage consistently then heal by skill damage
Then what is the advantage with backpack when so difficult to get full armor

[thin otter]

could i replace ceska chest with turmoil?

[hasty sluice]

You are killing 3 things with 1 mag of acs 12?

[thorny kernel]

Haven't tried it, that's why I'm asking

[hasty sluice]

What are you testing it with I have a asc I can swap to pummle

Also isn't your pfp from that one eldritch date game?

Ok turns out I lied. I do not have a asc12. Must have trashed it at some point

[magic pilot]

Refill the mag/ add ammo

It's fine to use for acs, but brazen is the standard now for shotguns

[thorny kernel]

So it doesn't use reserves to do so?

[slender basin]

Going for turret / drone skill, in glass cannon much better than kinetic momentum for refactor? I guess the downside is countered by the healing and the damage buff uptime is 100%

[magic pilot]

No

[magic pilot]

Glass is ideal

You shouldn't be getting hit much since you are relying on skills for dmg and distraction

That doesn't mean you shouldn't try to use capacitor as much as you can

[magic rapids]

iam going to tinker with the blues to make them yellow
or at least 5 of the items

[hasty sluice]

Does that mean I should switch my hhf m870 from pummel?

[magic pilot]

I run brazen yea

They both have use cases

[hasty sluice]

Ight ill run with it and see how it feels.

[patent fossil]

if you're one-shotting everything anyway, pummel is probably more convenient. If you prefer more damage, brazen.

[slender basin]

Also force multiplier backpack so I should try and hit enemies with capacitor

[magic pilot]

Brazen helps get HH stacks when no weaker enemies are near

[hasty sluice]

Perhaps I'll run pummel solo and brazen when I'm with friends

[magic pilot]

Like when running capitol, the first ad you shoot is a yellow bar

[vestal ibex]

If you have a cap equipped you should be using it. It typically will do more than your skills on a skill build.

[magic pilot]

Brazen makes it easier and faster to get that first kill to start chaining

[hexed steppe]

Glass best, kinetic is safe and still good, you just have downtime anything on cooldown. Glass also benefits anything else you use for damage

[slender basin]

Right

[hexed steppe]

Looks like you got a good explanation of what I meant.
Weapons I use elmo/m1a cqb.
Its gonna be a bit preference but solid ar and rifles are what I like. Some use bluescreen lmg since its marking mechanic is similar.
The most important part of nego is making sure you are at or very close to chc 60% cap.
I dont run coyote on it because of this, I set it at 60 and just use foxs as my off piece instead.

[hasty sluice]

Messed with it more. Running to get better rolled gear atm. Thanks for the input as always Local.

[thin otter]

what’d be the best attribute for fox’s prayer?

chc/chd?

[onyx sage]

depends on the build

most of the time you don't want to run fox

[thin otter]

allaround, mostly dps

[onyx sage]

like striker does not run fox if not using smg main

if you do run fox, it would run chd

but again, that's if you have enough crit

[thin otter]

all red cores and 1 fenris, memento, 3 negotiator😭😭😭

with chd

[thin otter]

using lexington

[onyx sage]

run 4 nego or don't run it

[thin otter]

so the fenris can go

[patent fossil]

nego backpack ideally

[thin otter]

my builds are so confusing and unoptimized😭😭

[thin otter]

alr, i’ll keep that in mind

[onyx sage]

if you're just making your first build then read the striker guide

[jaunty igloo]

why?

[onyx sage]

you'd be sacrificing too much crit

[thin otter]

not my first build

rn im using dark winter with hf and memento and ceska chest

chd build

[onyx sage]

well if you don't have striker, make striker

[thin otter]

elmo with striker is ok?

[onyx sage]

most of your pve builds are crit builds, doesn't really tell us anything

[thin otter]

also tried scorpio with ongoing directive, that was fun

[onyx sage]

that one works, though may be better if you run a high end weapon with sadist

[thin otter]

like carnage?

[onyx sage]

yes, carnage is top tier for it

[jaunty igloo]

I use fox's prayer with my striker build and it seems like the most optimal dps i can get, plus i use a rifle as secondary so it just makes sense imo

[onyx sage]

well it doesn't, and you don't really use a rifle with striker if you want to be optimal so

[jaunty igloo]

I said secondary...

[thin otter]

what do you use as primary

[onyx sage]

in any case you don't run it with striker lol

[jaunty igloo]

oxpecker rn

[onyx sage]

so for your primary the brand is worthless

[thin otter]

and crusader?

[jaunty igloo]

ye

[thin otter]

bet

[onyx sage]

and also, i said this

if you have enough crit (which is really only when you run smg) that's when you do consider running fox

[jaunty igloo]

well i tested fox's prayer against sokolov kneepads and fox's was higher dps so i used it

[hazy steeple]

Play nice, y'all.

[thin otter]

yes boss

[onyx sage]

i'm nice. just debating with fair points

[jaunty igloo]

just having a friendly debate over here dont mind us

[onyx sage]

by dps you mean your average crit right? not just seeing which one has higher number?

[spice pier]

what is difference between sr-1 vs sr-1 replica?

[onyx sage]

none, replica just means crafted, otherwise it's the same

[thin otter]

none, one is crafted

[onyx sage]

if you don't know already (if you do then ignore) the DPS tracker in shooting range is bugged and won't be accurate for comparison. if you want to compare more accurately then you just need your crit and non-crit numbers, your chc, and put them in the quick dps calc, pinned in this channel

i don't know if oxpecker has crit mods, but a high end smg would give you either 21% or 26% more crit chance, meaning you can potentially overcap your crit chance, so fox is a good alternative. but if using other weapon types like ARs you will need more crit and fox just doesn't fit in

[jaunty igloo]

idk if the dps was necessarily higher since i was just looking at the numbers but the numbers were higher by quite a bit and this was with only 11% weapon dmg on fox's (my sokolov is perfectly rolled). So I just took it as the dps is very similar on top of being able to deal a little more dmg with my secondary aswell.

[onyx sage]

i wasn't necessarily comparing sokolov vs fox but more so ceska or grupo vs fox (basically crit vs dttooc)

i doubt sokolov would be able to beat fox anyway, so i agree with you there, but i was contrasting crit brands vs fox

also, there was recently a buff to the chd weapon mods from 5% to 10%, so my knowledge may be out of date a bit, but before this change smgs were forced to run 5% chc mods because the 5% chd mods were just too bad. this resulted in chc overcap so much so that more crit doesn't help as much as running fox.

just for some context

[violet juniper]

New brand set gives +5% WD as 1pc bonus!

I just read the patch notes lol

those named kneepads seem pretty good for DPS builds

[subtle bluff]

You mean the PTS patch notes?

[violet juniper]

New season patch notes

All I know from the PTS is Pakhan is getting a big buff

[subtle bluff]

It's still PTS notes I'm sure they haven't released anything else yet. #patch-notes

[violet juniper]

I'm gonna need to try Pakhan

those attributes are busted

weapon damage, reload speed, CHC?

[subtle bluff]

The attributes are what rolls with it weapon.
The mods. The HE mods we can put on it are just as good. I mean 5% WD is good but.. iirc rpk nerf in tu20. The reload speed is like something horrible now. I think also it's rpm sit at 600 which also doesn't helps it's case.

Oh you're talking a both the dev notes from the PTS. I guess. Iron Lung and Pesti are gonna still out dps it by a good amount.

[agile pelican]

what should I change on the chest plate

[patent fossil]

change the talent to obliterate

(then try to farm one with both CHC and CHD)

[agile pelican]

anyhing else to improve? been uing reviver hive

but swapped to blind firefly

[patent fossil]

only what I said previously ^

[agile pelican]

this better?

idk why i did health years ago

what one is the dma talent

[patent fossil]

Strained measured and optimist are the usual picks for dps

[violet juniper]

they're buffing the mods on it too btw

it's going from 5% to either 10% or 15%

reload speed will be 20-30% as usual

CHC will be 10-15% probably

[violet juniper]

Strained, Measured, Killer seems to be meta rn

apparently optimist isn't good anymore

[subtle bluff]

You mentioned patch note but you meant dev notes.
By the numbers optimist by numbers aren't as strong.
When rpk and l85 were used frenzy was the talent for it.

[cerulean smelt]

all depends how much they adjust them all honestly
don't remember them saying by what percentages
just we're making adjustments

think in PTS i got something like 160 mag on it at one point which was kind of fun? so i'll be intersted to see how much they change it

[subtle bluff]

They’re killing Bullet King basically.

[cerulean smelt]

kind of doubt it honestly

[subtle bluff]

I mean it’ll have better Base WD by a lot and you’re rewarded for actually killing things.

[cerulean smelt]

well, Pahkan you'll have to reload eventually, bullet king don't have to reload but restock

[violet juniper]

Are dev and patch notes not the same thing? Ok, official notes of stuff devs are changing

wait is Pakhan going to function like chatterbox? Or does the ammo increase apply once you reload

[cerulean smelt]

this last dev notes they released is like they only put in things they wanted to alter a bit
patch notes usually have a full list of the final things they did in it

[cerulean smelt]

once you reload

[vital kernel]

Anyone know best skill damage gear set?

[zenith plover]

Any thoughts on a good side arm?

[high jay]

Is it generally worth it to have 1% regen from 1pc of a double crit belstone on an all red build. Or would it be better to just throw on grupo for more crit damage? Mostly play heroic hardcore. Have on the belstone pc right now and feel like it doesn’t do enough over crit

[onyx sage]

just 1% regen won't be enough, but armor on kill is far stronger and i think you're better off with palisade more than belstone

[high jay]

That was also a thought of mine, thanks for the input boss🤙

[high jay]

TDI Kard Custom if you can get your hands on one

[zenith plover]

Alright thanks

[jade jackal]

Show me a Hybrid build that is Amplified with the basics. Weapon Damage/SkillDamage/Armor. I'm attempting to balance a build when running solo.

[cerulean smelt]

good luck with that

[main estuary]

has any ever soloed Tital Basin on legendary?

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say AveragePlayer maybe did?

[onyx sage]

many people did

console and pc

[main estuary]

has anyone in here soloed it?

[onyx sage]

nope

[main estuary]

WRONG.

gueaa what?

[onyx sage]

i know i'm wrong

because i did

[main estuary]

i just spent the last 5 HOURS of my life trying AGAIN AND AGAIN to solo this mission.

ALL BECAUSE I WANTED AN EXOTIC CACHE

and i did it.

[onyx sage]

nice job, congrats

[main estuary]

i finally freaking did it

[subtle bluff]

To note it is one of the hardest leggo to in general. I think it's hardest in some ways.

[main estuary]

i did it and i still not satisfied

[onyx sage]

you probably suffered in boss the most?

[cerulean smelt]

we should all give Kaj1nka a cookie

[main estuary]

WHO GOT THAT COOKIE???

I GOT THAT COOKIE!!!

[onyx sage]

no seriously congrats, it's a really hard one

[main estuary]

thank you thank you

[onyx sage]

you picked the 2nd hardest one to solo

[main estuary]

fym 2nd??

[cerulean smelt]

i gave up because i enjoy my sanity

[onyx sage]

zoo is hardest

[main estuary]

...

ill be right back

[subtle bluff]

For solo ya Zoo

[onyx sage]

you probably soloed the 3 original ones?

[main estuary]

im so intimidated by ts its not even funny

i mad a whole new build for tital basin so this should be esier. (i,Fear)

[onyx sage]

if you haven't soloed the original ones but you did tidal, then you're impressive since zoo and tidal are harder than all 3

[main estuary]

i dont think i have to will power to do the rest ❤️

not im haunted by the white tusk uniforms

[onyx sage]

dua is super easy. you can do it

[main estuary]

like if i saw one of those roaming around, im frickin running. Actually shellshook

[onyx sage]

you got a screenshot of the end screen in tidal?

[tawdry raven]

i now understand why yannick says no to adding div china stuff https://x.com/V1rtualzZ/status/1925643932802679108

is the regulus the only exotic with AoE dmg?

[versed summit]

Merciless too

[tawdry raven]

oh yeah, its so much weaker than regulus i forgot

an automatic AoE weapon could be fun

[faint frost]

I've put this together kind quick for an open world Pesti Build, would ya'll recommend making anything changes? its like 52%CHC 101% CHD without any buff from coyote

[onyx sage]

glass cannon over obliterate

[faint frost]

feel like thas gonna get me killed but i guess i'll have to learn to play better lol

[arctic scaffold]

anyone know whats the best 3rd tribute for LMGS?

for pvp

critchance or crit dmg or health dmg?

[tawdry raven]

DMG to armor is the popular pick, I prefer chc myself

But pvp is armor focused so dmg to armor is prob the smartest bet

[subtle bluff]

GC is a huge buff to it.
Do you have DTA for pesti but thena gain I'm sure you don't have all double crit gear pieces.

[subtle bluff]

Sure Decoy or Drone imo since you have Skill Health they'll last a bit longer.

[magic pilot]

Crit chance

Some say DTA, some build inefficiently

[unkempt shell]

At least they are not gold tusk unit o

[arctic scaffold]

i mean alrdy got 56 percent crit without that crit chance i guess tho that would allow me to add 1 or 2 more crit dmg mods instead

[onyx sage]

that's exactly why

[magic pilot]

24% chd > 6% DTA

[arctic scaffold]

ya true just thought maybe cuz im running umbra the DTA is more benefecial than like 20 percent crit dmg

[magic pilot]

Send a picture of the build

Is this ninja umbra? What are your other pieces

I run this in 4 stacks

[rain shuttle]

Greetings! A small question, what is the best way to get the Chameleon assault rifle? ,

I have planned to go with the weapon on the striker build ^^

[magic pilot]

Countdown

Target ARs

[magic pilot]

Yea I still run chc on this setup

DTA would be even less effective since you have 5% from Walker

[arctic scaffold]

gotcha

[faint frost]

assuming youre talking about dmg to armor on my wpn? yes

and yea i just tried glass cannon out and it felt insanely better

[arctic scaffold]

could i run this exact build but with ARS or will ironlong/ pesti will always be better aswell as i noticed if i run invisable hand with perfect allegro is insane RPM wise

[subtle bluff]

CHC on your pesti will be better for optimizing the build

[faint frost]

if i run chc on pesti on DTA then should i drop my coyote mask for something else as im already over 50% CHC

[subtle bluff]

Uh? Just put more into CHD.

[slate spoke]

did someone already ask you if you are running HDR mode in game and seeing everything washed out?

[subtle bluff]

when screen shotting when HDR it's get's messy

[faint frost]

they didnt but i am running in hdr, it definitely doesnt look that bad ing ame

[slate spoke]

also DTA scales the Dot from pesti but crit won't.

[arctic scaffold]

looks like his game has jaundice

[faint frost]

lol

[subtle bluff]

More CHC is better.

[faint frost]

im already over chc cap with coyote buff

[subtle bluff]

You're already using contractor it doesn't scale with it.

What's your gear mods? CHC?

[slate spoke]

but is is true that your regular bullet damage will be quite a bit higher with chc

[subtle bluff]

no just more DPS.

[faint frost]

yea im using 3 chc mods. are you saying dmg to armor on wpn and gloves doesnt stack?

[slate spoke]

just slightly dimished returns

[faint frost]

i see. well shit then i should probably reroll my pesti then? or farm a second and reroll it more likely

[subtle bluff]

My pesti has CHC 54% and CHD 117% and I'm missing 1 stats to WP.

[slate spoke]

farm a second one in my opinion, i like to have a DTA one if i want more DOT damage

[subtle bluff]

ROF is better than DTA imo

Oh ya I'm on ROF not CHC because I gave up rolling

[faint frost]

since swapping to glass cannon away from obliterate it feels like im not even playing around the dot

[subtle bluff]

So I could have a lot more CHD.

GC buff the dot