td2-build-advice

[onyx sage]

because your choices vary

[vestal ibex]

I think you missed some words or something. I never said "you should compare your times to speed run times" I said you comparing your builds via times. So you aka the person wanting to compare should do this.

[fair dragon]

Yeah SPAS-12 iirc has 8 rounds in the mag, so that's a lot of reloading

[hexed steppe]

I get what your saying, and we both know dps is fastest clearing... that was never in dispute.

It's just dumb argument that kinda pops up anytime someone mentions wanting to use a skill build. Like who gaf if someone clears something 3x faster. It's not an activity that needs to be looked at with a lean manufacturing mindset...

The only important factors:
-Did build clear mission?
-Did you enjoy using build?

The rest is measurable facts, granted, but also irrelevant if you answered yes to the above questions.

[violet badge]

I am looking to improve on this setup, more DPS. Any suggestions (newish to this)? Thanks

[hexed steppe]

Swap to striker with oblit ceska chest and either coyote mask or grupo piece. Use striker bag

[violet juniper]

Swap the Fenris for Ceska and Walker imo

[violet juniper]

don't do this. This is boring AF

[hexed steppe]

Probanly doesnt need ceska tbh. Contractors/foxs better for highend dps

[violet juniper]

yeah nvm, use con/fox's

I literally have a high end and still forget to recommend it

[hexed steppe]

But there needs to be better rolls for chc

[violet juniper]

my bad

[violet juniper]

Could swap one piece of providence for Ceska?

[vestal ibex]

Again maybe some words were missed but I didn't say anything about DPS vs skill, I just said MM wasn't a good measuring stick and you should be measuring against yourself via times. If you want to bring up my earlier mention of that I already addressed that [I'd just say let the average clear times you can do with a build speak and dw about the rest and if you are having fun while not negatively impacting others then have at.](#td2-build-advice message)

[violet badge]

FYI - In relation to my post. It is for PvE, and main focus is DPS, not skill...

[subtle bluff]

Lol yesterday was a good example but it all got deleted.

[patent fossil]

Just because everyone else does it doesn't make it intrinsically more boring, gameplay is basically identical to a high end crit build...

[hexed steppe]

The only reason to use providence is the 3pc bonus and being able to stack grupo on top.
Traditional he < od/nego < striker

[tawdry raven]

Is the ideal backfire strikers build with 2 piece ceska?

[thorny kernel]

Neither actually, i want it as a backup for my striker build

[hexed steppe]

Why striker is suggested. Either dps build you are pointing and shooting

[onyx sage]

then it's a headshot build, i'd run either thorn or m870

oh wait no i read sniper...

i would use sasg or six12

[thorny kernel]

What talent?

[onyx sage]

brazen

[thorny kernel]

Gotcha

[violet juniper]

he is better than OD/NEGO and striker?

Oh you're american

[vestal ibex]

Do less than signs work different where you are?

[violet juniper]

I'm a brit

[magic pilot]

Yea that doesn't answer the question at all

[violet juniper]

Less than for me is <

[vestal ibex]

That's what he used?

[violet juniper]

so if I wanted to say striker does more damage than true patriot, I'd do it as striker>true patriot

[magic pilot]

🤦‍♂️

[vestal ibex]

Or tp<striker

[violet juniper]

no

[magic pilot]

It's interchangeable if you flip them.

[violet juniper]

that just looks like true pat is better than striker

[magic pilot]

Tp "less than" striker
Striker "greater than" tp

[vestal ibex]

Less than is different than greater than

[violet juniper]

duh.

[vestal ibex]

But it does the exact same thing depending on which side

[violet juniper]

I should say I do have autism, so little things that should make sense, don't make sense

[magic pilot]

Yea most people don't care

[vestal ibex]

Saying od<striker is the same as striker>od tho

[violet juniper]

Only the second one will make sense to me

the first one just doesn't look right

I don't see them as little mouths they look like little arrows

[vestal ibex]

Idk I see less than I think less than, I see greater than I think greater than.

[violet juniper]

so it's pointing towards what is worse than it

[urban latch]

Just think bigger end vs smaller end, its a size thing not a pointing thing

[violet juniper]

so striker>OD looks like "striker is pointing towards OD that is worse"

That's how my mind interprets it

[vestal ibex]

I literally think of the symbol as less than or greater than.

[hexed steppe]

He < od/nego < striker
Using all quite a bit, I'm gonna stick with that

Or striker > nego/od > he

[violet juniper]

perfect

[hexed steppe]

Doesnt matter, point is the same

[violet juniper]

OD is on the level of Nego?

I always though it was Striker/Nego, HE, OD

[hexed steppe]

I'm seeing high damage on mine. Like 1.2-1.5m crits with carnage.
Also with modifiers but I feel it's on par with nego

Both nego and od got solid buffs

[violet juniper]

if I remember rightly Nego was always a group fight set

with backpack for the 112% damage

[hexed steppe]

Nego is solid. Highest multi target damge

You dont always have multi targets. Why I put it on par with OD

I'm a nego fanboy , dont get me wrong... but I been loving OD lately

[magic pilot]

5D Nego struggles as well

Running sharpshooter with rifle nego isn't terrible for ammo conservation though

[vestal ibex]

5D?? wow check your privilege sir.

[magic pilot]

Huh

[pastel basin]

Wait so with the negotiatiors dillema raid build, it bypasses even when a boss is invulnerable?

[vestal ibex]

Well it's a bit more complex but for simplicity, yeah.

[pastel basin]

Ooo okay, I’ve been doing it all wrong then 😭

[vestal ibex]

What do you mean?

[pastel basin]

I’ve been waiting till the boss was vulnerable to shoot the other enemy

[vestal ibex]

For what? Grey?

[pastel basin]

Just like for the first 2 encounters of iron horse and boomer

I haven’t been able to one shot yet cause I need a better harvest and expertise but I’m taking a huge chunk away

[vestal ibex]

So for grey you can shoot him after he is damageable but you've gotta kill the shield bros because each one provides 1/3 damage reduction.

[pastel basin]

👀

[vestal ibex]

Yeah in some pubs we'll do a weaker nego shot just to shave time off the fight but show how the fight is supposed to go for new players.

[pastel basin]

Gotcha, also does the calculator work for one shot hits

The dps calculator

[vestal ibex]

Not really. I'd say with one shot stuff you are best to just go test cause builds/expertise/spec buffs/applied buffs can wildly change these numbers.

Most the time we just take what it'll hit with a few people in testing and just apply buffs as we need to see numbers we want.

[pastel basin]

There’s also one thing I’ve been noticing in watching speedruns, some people run strikers and would that hit harder than this pure red build?

[vestal ibex]

Buffs really will change things.

[pastel basin]

Yeah, so far I’ve only been getting the sledgehammer buff from myself

😭

Lfgs in console suck so badly

2 times I’ve joined people running full blue builds

[marsh birch]

so i just hit lvl 40 whats a reccomened build

[pastel basin]

Striker fr

[vestal ibex]

Survivalist=10%
firewall=10%
demo=5% dttooc

just spec buffs can net you 25% more damage if you have no dttooc in your build.

[pastel basin]

+20% sledgehammer
+20% septic shock

65% more damage would help so much 😭

[vestal ibex]

Yeah and there are tons of other buffs, but you see how quick it adds up.

[pastel basin]

There are more to add?

Oh coyotes?

That’s just od at that point no?

And true patriots

So for running either pistol build, you should run the sharpshooter specialization?

[vestal ibex]

That's one yeah-short long mid, empathic, FI, OD, TP, mosquito, striker shield, and others still.

[pastel basin]

And then teamates have the rest?

[vestal ibex]

No spec helps you on a personal level for pistol builds. Sharp shooter gives rifles a small boost but that's it.

[pastel basin]

Oh! Isn’t it 15% more damage to heads?

[onyx sage]

only for rifle and mmr

[pastel basin]

Oh really, fuuuuu

[fresh fox]

compton spotted

[onyx sage]

who tf are you

[fresh fox]

i’m nobody.

[tight jackal]

for the hotshot build in the spreadsheet when it says m700 which one is it referring to? says m700 highest base damage

[vestal ibex]

It means mo damage mo betta.

[tawdry raven]

What's the Scorpio hunters fury build? Pinned is just headhunter builds

[vestal ibex]

Read the words yo.

Many more words below the pictures for more on building it.

[fresh fox]

model 700

not the carbon or whatever

the wood hunting rifle looking one

[marble grove]

New less than a week lf build advice in legendary content/raiding

[vestal ibex]

Make a strikers build based on the guides in the pinned spreadsheet. For IH make a standard red DPS build, you can use your strikers in DH. You are gonna wanna either look up good videos on how to legendary or raid and or just get into a group that'll teach you. Just know there is tons of garbage on youtube.

[rich lotus]

what build should i use for pvp?

[tulip charm]

Theres many

[wary forge]

Best PISTOL in game for crit build?

Not magnums.. really pistols

High end

[thorny kernel]

I think i got an almost GRoll White Death

Full MMR Damage
Full Headshot Damage
DTTOOC which needs to be bumped up.

I only need to replace the talent >:3

[random plinth]

Guys i need some help, my goal is to become the BEST HEALER OF THE GAME, What build should i go for ?

[spiral urchin]

Back in my day it was future iniative and btsu gloves

Dunno what's top shelf nowadays, but maybe you should get fi together sometime

[random plinth]

Ty for your answer, i also saw people using 3 pieces Shiny Monkey gear for the 52% Repair Skill mixed with others stuff but i dont know if its that good

[onyx sage]

in pve, your job as healer isn't only to heal people but to also debuff enemies. most people will be running full red so you don't need much healing

being the "best healer" isn't about healing 1 billion

[random plinth]

I there any other way to make your team unkillable ? debuffing will do the job ?

[onyx sage]

the future initiative + btsu + the setup combo is never changing, it's still the best build for it

[onyx sage]

no, because enemies can two-shot your dps anyway (first hit procs their health gate, second hit kills them, no healing can save this)

[random plinth]

Yeah you right

[onyx sage]

in hard content like legendary/master/raid/incursion this always happens

the best way to save them is to stop enemies from shooting or acting

[random plinth]

do you have any link for the build ?

[subtle bluff]

one sec

[onyx sage]

yeah chow has it

[random plinth]

thx guys 😉

is there any googledoc or else with the "meta builds"

[onyx sage]

pinned sheet on this channel

the Builds tab has all you need for the most common ones

[random plinth]

ty 😉

[spiral urchin]

There is this one backpack talent

With the symbol of a raccoon

That debuffs enemy damage

Or increases damage taken by said enemy

Yeah opportunistic

[wary forge]

???

[worn mango]

One more Lengmo piece to make this damn Pesti build lol

FInally got the holster, now just for knees or that unicorn chest

[subtle bluff]

It's in the guide I just posted...

[subtle bluff]

None for Crit pistol.

[wary forge]

Im thinking do a crit intimidate pisotl build with the new set

[subtle bluff]

It's not gonna be that good vs any other weapon type.

[twilit dock]

have they changed the heartbreaker interaction with technician laser pointer? tried on kingbreaker + police M4, equipped laser and it seems nothing is getting pulsed or building HB stacks. I have 4p HB equipped

[wary forge]

Sometimes it happens to me..
i need to land at least 1 headshot to proc the first time.. then all other times the laser point works

[cerulean smelt]

probably a modifier

[subtle bluff]

Nothing has changed with HB other than it's DMG stack buff %.

[twilit dock]

ok thanks for the confirmation, I’ll try to land a headshot first and see if it starts working

[cerulean smelt]

if you got modifiers running, the npcs you can't pulse with the link laser pointer might have something like a person with a line running through it

[twilit dock]

ohh I see what you mean with modifiers, I’ll try that too. can they not be pulsed?

[cerulean smelt]

think they're immune to most things, i forget the wording for it

[twilit dock]

no luck with either 😦 tried at shooting range and at a CP, no modifiers and hitting headshot first. not sure what's going on but I gotta look more into it tomorrow

[worn mango]

Super odd. Can't say it's the game either as I was using HB earlier

[subtle bluff]

@twilit dock I see no issues... Building from 0 to 100 takes a lot longer than you think.

[worn mango]

@hexed steppe is the mortar you have on build list your ideal one or do you run something else?

I need something to farm and I hate skill builds and myself so here I go

[subtle bluff]

It's in the spreadsheet.

[worn mango]

Mortar explosive or mortar btsu

[hexed steppe]

the one i have a guide on is the exact combination i use

mortar btsu

[worn mango]

How dare I cheat on a @urban latch build though

[hexed steppe]

its more active, so you need to actively buff mortar because perfect combined arms. its one of the highest damage setups for mortar

perfect glass and perfect combined arms are effectively 2x 30% amps

[worn mango]

Cool, I'll see what I can do

I think I have that backpack but then it's obviously the rest of the shenanigans

So the gameplay loop though, are you literally just shooting mortars at everything and just proccing with Capacitor damage?

[hexed steppe]

you can get away with 3 empress china 2x hanna for a still effective build

[urban latch]

local has run that build a lot more than I have lol

[worn mango]

Don't give me pleb watered down versions, I need the real thing

Alright, good news. I have the entire right side of the build

Now for the worst thing ever

[hexed steppe]

i can pm a usage vid. youll use cap a lot for sure tho. if im not stacked ill hit with the mop in sync instead then stack cap. you can proc pca right before the mortar hits so you dont need to shoot constantly

but once you drop a hive on something, it isnt like they are paying attention to you anymore so cap is fairly easy to keep stacked

[worn mango]

Yeah dm me a video if you don't mind. Just wanna see the general gameplay loop

Not like I'll be playing it any time soon though lol

[subtle bluff]

https://youtu.be/g6M3RNqPrus?

[worn mango]

I just wanted the @hexed steppe dm tbh

[subtle bluff]

Different video.

[hexed steppe]

missing Penguin Life tatted across the stomach

[hasty anvil]

thinking about doing a marksman build, any set reccomendations and brand?

might use mantis with decoy

[solar sable]

4pc/3pc hotshot
Chainkiller
Airaldi bag w/Vigilance
if 3pc Hotshot, use Fox knees

[hasty anvil]

okay

ty

[hasty anvil]

no exotics?

[solar sable]

Not every build needs exotics

[hasty anvil]

is this tailored for decoy or no?

[solar sable]

idk what that means but it works fine for any mmr

[hasty anvil]

so the 4th bonus from hotshot can be skipped

doesnt seem worth it imo considering needing to headshot

[solar sable]

if you want to

[cerulean smelt]

you want to body shot everything with an MMR?

[hasty anvil]

i changed my mind to Rifle

[hexed steppe]

check out the pinned spreadsheet and roll with one of those.

[subtle bluff]

Read the guide. It'll explain better.

[forest trail]

anybody got a birdie quick fix build for just random oncalls?

[cerulean smelt]

i just threw mine on a 4 pc FI

[forest trail]

i was thinking more of a combat medic tbh

[subtle bluff]

The exoitc is kind of dead.

[forest trail]

rip

[onyx sage]

half of its talent isn't even working

[cerulean smelt]

i take it the biggest one is the skill overcharge?

[onyx sage]

yeah. it could have been its biggest selling point

[cerulean smelt]

i know in PTS it worked wonderfully. considering the video showed a duo in legendary with an indestructible bulwark shield constantly picking up his buddy

[forest trail]

wdym

which one is not working?
For me all of them have been working
tho unsure about the hive effectiveness, my healing was not as big as i expected

[onyx sage]

have you tried reviving someone from unconscious?

[cerulean smelt]

like they died again in a weakened state?

[forest trail]

nope
but thats not counted as revive i think

[onyx sage]

it is

[forest trail]

then what's wrong with it

[onyx sage]

and that doesn't get the boosted revive speed

it's slow as snails

the overcharge also simply does not work

[forest trail]

then i think it just doesn't count as a revive
earlier i was getting the emphatic resolve when reviving someoned from dead dead

[forest trail]

it worked for me but seem to have an icd so you can't spam it

[onyx sage]

it counts as a revive literally in all other cases by the game so i don't see your reasoning

[forest trail]

idk why they didn't mention the cooldown tho

[forest trail]

i see

[onyx sage]

it just did not work from our testing

[forest trail]

i see x2

thats unfortunate
it was a cute backpack

[onyx sage]

it's kinda ironic, it's kinda theorized it would be useful for the master mission because of the mortar section, but then again if you're caught by the mortar chances are you will die immediately because you get health gated by the mortar, then go down and die from the poison

all this happens very fast so you won't even get a chance to pick up someone from downed

and reviving someone from unconscious doesn't benefit from the revive speed boost for no reason... like why

[forest trail]

from personal experience they don't usually die like that and just go down

[onyx sage]

during the mortar?

[forest trail]

yeah from mortars
they get very low and just get downed from poison, but it expires/ not kill them

[onyx sage]

poison still ticks during their downed which depletes their down duration too, and from my runs it kills them in like 2s

usually we're spread out across the map to catch spawns so 2s is not long enough for someone to come help

[cerulean smelt]

was about to say, you get caught in mortar blast with the poison you go down and the poison would normally kill you as you can't exactly crawl out of it, maybe get close?

[onyx sage]

another thing, if you go down via other means, if a mortar targets you you're outta luck cuz you're not crawling out of that radius 💀 but that's not as relevant

[cerulean smelt]

doubtful, they kept it in this long
they remove it now would create a huge backlash

[forest trail]

i wasn't asking

[forest trail]

i see
from personal experience doing master today all day was not really the case

they'd get really low from mortar and get downed from other means slightly after

[onyx sage]

hmm

ohhhhh, we were running GC

[forest trail]

i was confused too when i was getting hit by the mortar and was escaping with like 2% shield and full health and just get downed from it but not killed by the poison

[onyx sage]

yeah that explains it

[cerulean smelt]

dunno, if 1 person is left trying to revive and a mortar hits you in a downed state pretty sure you die (> <)

[forest trail]

also is this build simply useless now?
i literally feel like i deal half the dmg of striker lol

[cerulean smelt]

i feel you do more damage than strikers as your first bullet just does damage, from my experience

[forest trail]

it's literally 1 roll away from a complete godroll and it doesn't feel like i deal dmg as much dmg as striker when it stacks lol
the backpack has hs and chd instead of chc and chd

[forest trail]

isn't striker maxed like most of the mission?

[cerulean smelt]

dunno, i rarely play striker

only time i did was to run the climax mission and master mission any other time it just sits in my stash

[forest trail]

understandable
what do you run usually

[cerulean smelt]

the one you pictured, but i run turmoil knees instead of fox's XD

[forest trail]

ah i don't like the damage split on that
i know it's 100% better but i don't like not dealing enough dmg on the main target i am shooting

[cerulean smelt]

in 3-5 months i'll be replacing the coyotes and 2nd weapon for alphabridge mask and a 2nd ar with a debatable talent

[forest trail]

on what do those do

[cerulean smelt]

alphabridge? as long as you equip two weapons of the same type (ar/ar, smg/smg, etc) your weapons will share it's talent
so you could literaly go with measured and spotter on your build there and get both talents on the 1 ar you shoot with XD

if you see shotgunners, chances are one is pummel the other maybe streamline 80% free weapon damage as long as your skils aren't on cooldown

[forest trail]

does that work with exotic weapons tho

[cerulean smelt]

no exotics or named weapons it says, but we're thinking the named perfect talents are a no go

[forest trail]

isee isee

[cerulean smelt]

mmr, determined stremline might be nice too XD

[forest trail]

thats not currently in the game right

[cerulean smelt]

people think the mask will be year 7 season 1 climax mission exotic

[forest trail]

hmmmmmmmm
i see

[onyx sage]

streamline in its current state would be crazy for headhunter

[cerulean smelt]

as it was in pts, you could literally walk around with your crusader/striker shield with 80% damage buff. just put your shield away before it busts and you keep the streamline buff going XD

[cerulean smelt]

i can't wait to see the combinations with that honestly

[shy willow]

It's still very prominent

Offers much more damage up front than striker

[forest trail]

idk i feel like 800k a bullet is not enough

how do the striker numbers look like

[hexed steppe]

does the passive hit of artificer count against the talent?

[subtle bluff]

I can't wait to see what I can do with my beloved Six12

[shy willow]

Bruh

[cerulean smelt]

i didn't try, i just assumed it would since it'd put it on a cooldown albiet short cooldown

[cerulean smelt]

the mop?

[forest trail]

thats funny

[subtle bluff]

I said Six12 not Mop.

[hexed steppe]

i dont remember if it has cooldown like that for the passive hits

[forest trail]

non named version

[shy willow]

Hitting for 800k up front is more than enough

[subtle bluff]

as much bullet is cool your DPS matters more.

[cerulean smelt]

after pts ended. was thinking The Mop with preservation + pummel would've been rather interseting to try

[forest trail]

you might be right
but the payoff (running pgc) doesn't feel worth in groups lul, and doesn't feel enough

[forest trail]

how would i go about testing that

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Mesage Raucy DPS thing is there. very easy to use.

[hexed steppe]

no cooldown on passive hits. just the 10 sec timer before another hit can happen. charges dont change

just tested

[cerulean smelt]

oh? huh

[subtle bluff]

Shotguns have Brazen......

[forest trail]

sec

[cerulean smelt]

no shotguns will have streamline

[subtle bluff]

we do not care

We have amp stuff

[hexed steppe]

was there a regular version of streamlined? if so what was the buff?

[cerulean smelt]

yes, 80% perfect 87%

[hexed steppe]

available on all weapon types?

[cerulean smelt]

in the pts for the library showed each weapon getting a streamline on it

[subtle bluff]

Six12 before they nerfed it..

[forest trail]

vs named enemy

[hexed steppe]

so abridged probably gonna be broken af with some combos

[cerulean smelt]

yes, streamline + brazen will be rather interesting

[hexed steppe]

like determined streamlined

[subtle bluff]

Nah don't need streamline

since it's WD I want more amps

[cerulean smelt]

yes, if they don't change it before we get it
said non named/exotics
but lexington/handbacket was usable with it

[hexed steppe]

neither have perfect talents, right?

[cerulean smelt]

the perfect streamline was on a variant MK16 and some smg A2

[hexed steppe]

not the question. lex and hand dont have perfect talents

probably why it doesnt negate them

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, but the description just read Named weapons XD

[hexed steppe]

mop and white death probably in the same boat if it isnt changed

[subtle bluff]

Just have to wait for the 2nd PTS notes

[cerulean smelt]

so i assumed things like lexington/handbasket would've been nope

i on'y got the streamline on an AR
so streamlined lexington was exquisite

there were other talents within the AR that was SMG only talents too, ilke unwavering

[unborn fable]

building out a dps build, for my final slot is it worth to farm a grupo piece over this?

[hexed steppe]

i think abridged is gonna be the big star, regardless of how they change streamline or if they make all named not work with abridged

[cerulean smelt]

yes definitely, probably why people think it'll be in the climax mission

[hexed steppe]

i sure hope not. i been loving not doing the manhunts 😆

[forest trail]

oh right i heard that for snipers there's a better option than white death?
which one is it

[cerulean smelt]

nemesis maybe?

i've been enjoying the handbasket over white death, but maybe i'm weird like that XD

[hexed steppe]

any of the bolt mmr can dominate on hh builds

[forest trail]

no i mean high end

[hexed steppe]

handbasket is just a bolt in disguise 🥸

m700 carbon, model 700, sr-1 all good he mmr options. m700 and sr1 have better capacity and qol mods than the wood bolts

[cerulean smelt]

i agree, but probably why i like it so far

[hexed steppe]

with 4pc hotshot refilling you can get around the rof of handbasket tho

[cerulean smelt]

i bet, but still enjoyable for me as a solo player

[hexed steppe]

you really need mortar in your life... js

[cerulean smelt]

i have that too but built different from yours XD

[hexed steppe]

not a day goes by without Mortar Supremacy

i lied. i been slackin lately

[cerulean smelt]

i go the 3 empress cesar's guard included) 2 grupo, 1 china Strategic Alighment all status effects and skill damage, tends to get me by most things XD

think i struggle against warhounds mostly as the sniper and minigun tends to prance around a lot

[forest trail]

hmmm
i see

i remember someome saying that there's a sniper that is 5% better than white death

[cerulean smelt]

i wouldn't know honestly
from what i've read it seems to go Nemesis -> White Death -> probably the other stuff localdeck mentioned

[hexed steppe]

probably model 700

but after 25mil , 5% is irrelevant... use what you prefer, they all do the job

[forest trail]

is that really true tho
i don't think 25 mil is enough to oneshot named on heroic lol

[hexed steppe]

thats not the cap for any of those

if built right

im sure someone has the health pool sheet on a copy pasta

[cerulean smelt]

not i, i just play the game

[forest trail]

currently my build deals 23m when capped hh

[hexed steppe]

ninja, right

[forest trail]

what

[hexed steppe]

ninja bike bag

[cerulean smelt]

dunno what mine does, but it does get things done the way i like it XD

[forest trail]

nah

oh wait i had momentum activated
give me a sec to try again with it disabled

21m

and 31.2m with my regulus with dodge city stacked

@hexed steppe

without dodgecity on named

[cerulean smelt]

i should readjust my regulus build XD

OH! think the new brandset could boost the regulus?

[hexed steppe]

4pc hotshot, no dch , m700 car

[cerulean smelt]

jeez local XD

[hexed steppe]

it can be min max higher as well. but more than capable

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQ-OZyQRHd6TskSbeE9tn2jMdn9eLIe9Fsm5CjD7A_EUwUKPdo_VO_ug7aOMdH3hhnw0pE8GGs_LnPl/pubhtml#

[forest trail]

seems like it was right m700 is higher dmg

[hexed steppe]

i think if you swapped to hotshot to replace punch drunk/contractors/foxs youll see higher top end

whitedeath should see higher damage than m700 in the same build with the same expertise

whitedeath on the same build.

[hexed steppe]

splitting the build to do too many things is what's killing the damage

this is wd and dch reg on the setup above.

i might leave dch on my setup actually. having a 37mil pocket nuke may come in handy 😅

[forest trail]

i mean the splitting is .... nowhere just some pistol dmg

but yeah i see

[hexed steppe]

and foxs that doesnt help your top end

and none of it has mmr damage, which is whats gonna drive up your top end as well

aven just swapping to an airaldi bag will give a nice damage bump

your reg will come up too, since youre hitting that 31mil after the mmr has stacked hh

[subtle bluff]

Peak HH isn’t the worry most of the time it’s 1st HSD and 1st of HH

Still haven’t touch my Resto Chem HSD.

[fair dragon]

HSD Redfactor build when

[hexed steppe]

its a concern if one isnt killing npcs on the top end tho

[subtle bluff]

FI HSD.

[subtle bluff]

Leggo.

[hexed steppe]

they mentioned heroic named, im assuming 4man cause thats the damage they mentioned

[subtle bluff]

Ah we know the HP numbers for them all.

[smoky moss]

so longer post but I'm truly stumped with something happening with Heartbreaker build I made..so hopefully someone can shed some light on this for me.

So i'm running Heartbreaker right, I've made it insanely high damage.. on par with Striker basically. I'm utilizing full benefit of heartseeker (chest, bag, holster and mask). I'm running Gunner. I am also using 2 palisade pieces with blue cores for extra 10% armor on kill (so 20% with Gunner) plus heartseeker stacks technically.

I run Backfire with it. 2 Palisade pieces are meant to give me that 20% armor on kill total, plus 60% more health.. Heartbreakertechnically should provide TONS of armor making me super tank negating side effects of Backfire. I am fine with hitting headshot to pulse the enemy and I can clearly see Heartbreakerworking. My bonus armor is clearly stacking. I'm at 1.3m armor and 500k health.

I have a Striker build as well. Similar setup. For some reason Heartbreakeris not as tanky at all. It feels like a bug because my armor goes down and they kill me so fast on it even if I don't use Backfire. I tried it with St. Elmos, and Chameleon, and even Police M4 with Flatline even, it just feels like my bonus Heartbreaker armor does nothing to mitigate damage at all. Their damage to me simply feels like it ignores it and takes out all my armor even bonus blue armor and continues eating my health and I die. Something feels very off.

Same set up on Striker even without bonus armor feels A LOT tankier. I can survive A LOT. And it has less armor overall 1.1m.

I've tested on my second character that is Striker with Memento, and bonus armor from trophies clearly protects me. So this leads me to believe there is something going on with Heartbreaker. Is this a thing or something?

The only real difference I know there is between Striker and Heartbreaker builds is that I"m using Microwave Coils on Heartbreaker vs Critical Recovery on Striker. I mean on paper it could be the reason but I honestly haven't felt like Critical Recovery gives me "that" much armor back on crit hits. Maybe I'm wrong.

Anyone with ideas?

[shy willow]

Heartbreaker bonus armour can't regenerate without dropping stacks

HB bag is pretty pointless both because of that and because you lose a lot of damage

1p palisade is pretty decent but 2 is a waste

Better off with ceska

[smoky moss]

I hear you @shy willow .. I tested with 1.. I need more damage mitigatation more from Backfire rather than enemies.. Backfire hits SUPER hard with Heartbreaker.. i'm talking 1.4-1.5m crits.. so I'm fine with the palisades.. I'm just stumped why damage enemies do to me feels like they are completely bypassing the blue bonus armor from Heartbreaker, like it's really not even there. The bag is mostly to double my multiplicative damage when heartbreaker is fully stacked. Any additional hits on pulsed enemies should keep the buff always up.. No?

But you are saying that armor doesn't regenerate on hits? I mean I tested in shooting range.. I can clearly see it stacking up like crazy where the armor notches are so thin it's crazy.. and my damage is insane.. but when I go and actually fight the enemies.. completely different story.

[shy willow]

Like you don't gain bonus armour while stacks are full basically

The HB bag doesn't increase damage either

[smoky moss]

ah right.. the reason I kept it was because exactly for this reason of armor

to mitigate backfire as well.. but clearly that's not working

[shy willow]

Because backfire is percentage based

[smoky moss]

so I would be better off then with memento I guess

[shy willow]

No matter how much armour you have it will always bleed you for the same portion of your armour

The only way to mitigate it is hazpro

[smoky moss]

interesting.. didn't account for that.. you are right

[shy willow]

But since the buff the bleed is much more manageable imo you don't need to mitigate it

[smoky moss]

okay.. so memento would be probably better choice then

get +1 skill for my shield.. and pulse.. plus damage AND armor as well

okay I'll try it.. thanks @shy willow .. actually I really never thought about the percentage based backfire too..but bag is definitely unnecessary with Heartbreaker indeed.. memento will be much better choice overall

[shy willow]

Memento is a common choice yeah

[cerulean smelt]

you actaully get 2 things for your shield with memento. the skill tier and the armor core

[smoky moss]

yep.. my mind was basically on getting as much armor as possible.. but in real life that's not how it translates to.. so memento is a clear winner

[subtle bluff]

Funny enough HB and Backfire stacks work the same in a sense.
I explain this way: Only when new stacks are made that you get the bonus or the bleed.

[subtle bluff]

Getting bonus armor does not make you tankie. It's just a buffer of extra armor. I use HB a lot to carry teams general leggo.
The 2 offset piece need is basically how you setup the rest of the build.

[smoky moss]

The 2 offset piece need is basically how you setup the rest of the build.```

can you clarify this?

[subtle bluff]

Which part

[smoky moss]

the 2 offset piece.. what did you mean by that?

[subtle bluff]

The 2 non gearset

[smoky moss]

so what pieces do you run on leggo runs?

[subtle bluff]

Chillout and BTSU

[shy willow]

Yeah to manage expectations if you want to tank anything to any degree your shield/pfe is your lifeline

[subtle bluff]

My playstyle to run the build isn't easy but it pays off.

BTSU makes the build confusing

Just run Memento

[smoky moss]

I will try to get the bag out and run memento.. I play aggressively so shield is always on/off.. memento will help a lot with shield durability even on toughter content.

[subtle bluff]

This probably funniest reaction to me running the build.

There's aggressive and tactical pushing.

[smoky moss]

bwahaahaha.. that was hilarious.. that's why I am switching to heartbreaker 🙂

[subtle bluff]

I killed the other half the ads. I am by no means a tank.

[smoky moss]

too funny

[subtle bluff]

I don't need the HB BP but I have nothing else to slot out.

[fair dragon]

variety gamer reacts to a pro player

[subtle bluff]

But also this season's modifier makes it easier.

[smoky moss]

the biggest irony is that I killed a few loot goblins this season and I am pretty sure i dismantled chill-out mask not knowing it's so rare.

[subtle bluff]

oof

[smoky moss]

I was starting out and I was all striker.. eh.. that's how it goes when you are initially a total scrub.. not my first time

[subtle bluff]

I mean that's what I mostly do now mostly is full red strikers. HB is only on for some teams that already have strikers and they don[t know how manage cover.

[tulip charm]

Who dragged that man into leg zoo

poor fella

[subtle bluff]

BUDDY... I dragged myself into it...

NO one had strikers on... 😐

[tulip charm]

Not you

The streamer

[subtle bluff]

FAIR...

[nocturne olive]

does anyone know a good one shot sniper build?

[honest moss]

Headhunter chest talent, determined white death/m700. 4 piece hotshot, vigilance bag.

[nocturne olive]

i'll try that out ty sm

[subtle bluff]

In the Pinned Messages.

[worn mango]

@subtle bluff Were you friends with the streamer or was that just random matchmaking? lol

[hazy steeple]

About half of all people that you will join via call-for-backup nowadays have TTV in their name.
It's truly the "xXkillshotXx" of 2025.

[worn mango]

One viewer and it's their bot lol

[subtle bluff]

Was pointed to his stream and then felt like being nice.

[worn mango]

Was that just Memento HB?

[subtle bluff]

Nope

It is HB

[worn mango]

All blue or mix?

[subtle bluff]

4 blur 1 red 1 yellow\

I am not a tank. I just look like one.

[worn mango]

Yeah it's funny when you can get full stacks and all that blue

[subtle bluff]

Yea HB BP always make it look silly

[worn mango]

"I'm not a tank, but I could be. And that's all that matters"

But a tank who can actually shoot something other than marshmallows

[subtle bluff]

I am… I can hold agro since I can do dmg.

[worn mango]

I saw that

[subtle bluff]

I’m just not a fan of dogs and and hate tanks

[worn mango]

I was mind blown when I learned that when attacking dogs you can drop your artifcer and not get EMP'd

Or shocked, whatever it is. Regardless, I was so excited lol

[worn mango]

Anything I can do with a glass cannon grupo double crit natural roll?

[onyx sage]

yeah, use with ceska vigi 4p stricker

[worn mango]

I meant more about changing core. I already have a max all red one

I'm just not aware of crit centric skill builds

[patent fossil]

Some hybrid maybe (6 tiers and full crit stats with capacitor)

But nothing especially meta

[worn mango]

I kept it just because it's a decent roll with glass. Was really hoping for that with unbreakable though for PVP

I'm just an HB main right now anyway just farming Grupo for mortar lol

[high jay]

What’s generally the best third attribute to roll on a pestilence?

[worn mango]

Depends. If you need the crit chance, it's a decent roll. If you can get it through your build while having enough CHD, then damage to armor

[high jay]

Appreciate it, I’ve heard a lot of things and generally have always rolled with DTA but was just wondering if there’s something more optimal but it’s situational as I see depending on build

[worn mango]

Yeah, that's the flexibility with the LMG's

[agile pelican]

im a returning player does this look any good, what should I go for? btw if anyone wants to play msg me

[violet juniper]

Looks good to me, but change the talents

Vigi obliterate is the gold standard

[agile pelican]

talents?

sorry aint played in years

[violet juniper]

the perks on your chest piece and backpack

they're kinda bad.

[agile pelican]

what the attributes? I think ive already done it once should I grind for new ones

[violet juniper]

All red with CHC and CHD rolls should be fine

[violet juniper]

yeah the weapon handling bit you won't really need

you want CHC and CHD

[agile pelican]

what ar u recons better

is chemelion better since it grands crit bonuses

[loud pine]

keep chameleon until you get st elmos or a decent high end ar

even tho chameleons pretty crap

[violet juniper]

Chameleon is leaps and bounds better

Chameleon is ok, and is pretty damn good if you get its bonuses up. Problem is the time it takes to get those bonuses, the fight is usually over

plus accuracy issues

[thorny kernel]

Things like the exotic St. Elmo's Engine are usually much better so you should be on the lookout for that.

I recommend running Countdown on Challenging or Heroic with Assault Rifles as target loot

Alternatively you can use most High-End ARs with talents like Strained

[random plinth]

Guys, what's the best AR in PVE ? I've seen people saying that the Elmo is the best, and some says chameleon, how's the Eagle bearer ?

[fading flax]

eagle bearer is far away from bad bu also pretty far away from the top

nerfs hit her pretty hard

[random plinth]

because when i read the talent, it looks like insane, but idk

[fading flax]

if u play solo the strega could be an option for u

[random plinth]

for now im using the chameleon because of the damage that gives u, but idk if its the best option

[hexed steppe]

if not using 3pc providence, youre better off replacing with 1 ceska/1 fenris . ceska preserves the chc that providence gives, but fenris will be better for your ar damage over headshot damage.
youre probably not proccing companion, go vigilance (which was probably already mentioned. then go with glass cannon or obliterate on chest for damage. other option for chest would be unbreakable if you get downed alot, this is less of a good option as your situational awareness improves. jmho

[fading flax]

this build is pretty solid for single player heroic with 4 directives

[hexed steppe]

hows you chc/chd look on it? you can probably get higher chd using a ceska, as counter intuitive as it sounds

[fading flax]

yeah chd isnt the best

but hits for up to 1,3 mil on a headshot so its totally fine

[hexed steppe]

yeah, that will help shift it around. should be abl;e to hit 50/120ish range maybe better

what are your attribute rolls on each piece

[fading flax]

chd and chc

[hexed steppe]

how many of each, no ss needed

include mods

[timber dagger]

Guys please does dark winter outperform ouroboros in dps when killer is on?

[fading flax]

yes it does

@ local 2 chc mods max and 1 chd mod max +every piece got crit chance as stat except my backpack

[hexed steppe]

im gonna assume the secondary roll on the chest is chd along with its chc and mod. so you can get a pretty good idea of optimal dps setup by multiplying chc x chd to get a general idea before changing any items.
swapping to ceska chest and swapping 2 chc rolls to chd, you end up with 3less chc, but an extra 12%chd.

so thats 53 x 98
if you shifted 1 extra chc to chd its 47 x 110 (not optimal)
and current is 57 x 87
-# hopefully i didnt mess that up 😅

when you compare the ceska gives you a small edge over current, so i wouldnt go ham on farming new gear or anything but there is some min/max that can be done.
do you really utilize memento a lot or is it possible to swap in striker bag and coyote mask, that would see a lot of damage improvement. youre kinda stuck in a pickle with memento, strega, and striker all being crit starved pieces.

[fading flax]

bruh too much maths here

😄 im not that hardcore into min max

also i dont have a ceska breast

[hexed steppe]

this is nothing , there is a lot more thats above my paygrade

no worries tho

[magic pilot]

HH calc

[hexed steppe]

with the armor crossover thing

[onyx sage]

what is aych aych?

[thorny kernel]

What brand set is The Sacrifice part of again?

[onyx sage]

providence

[thorny kernel]

Thx

what's a good 3rd mod for the tactician drone? I'm already using the two sharpshooter-exclusive mods on it

[vestal ibex]

idk if the last mod even does anything

[thorny kernel]

I want to make a Tip Of The Spear build, what specialization would be best for that?

[spiral urchin]

I'd say flamethrower

But tip of the spear is dookie

And relying on your special weapon is a really bad premise

[subtle bluff]

EP is actually good with Flamethrower since flamer dot burn is the strongest in the game.

[hasty anvil]

having a hard time choosing a skill for my rifle ND build

[tight jackal]

for playing hotshot with model 700 what would be the desired 3rd roll? im unsure what it can roll and ive tried to look it up online but cant seem to find what can roll in the 3rd attribute slot for guns

[vestal ibex]

DTTOOC

[thorny kernel]

I personally use fixer drone and crusader shield

[cerulean smelt]

was about to say 99.999999% would be DTOOC, but soulless already answered XD

[tight jackal]

ah ok lol

[hasty anvil]

i use reviver

[cerulean smelt]

@vestal ibex think with the smartcover DTOOC would still be preferable?

[vestal ibex]

Probably.

[tight jackal]

assuming the perk for a hotshot build on gun should be determined?

[cerulean smelt]

anything you want really, but determined makes it easier to prcl headshots after your first one

[dire anchor]

dumb question, but what does DTTOOC mean?

[cerulean smelt]

Damage to targets out of cover

[dire anchor]

ooh

[cerulean smelt]

math nerds will tell you it's either a multiplicitive or additive stat
stuff like that goes in 1 of my ears and out the other and my brain overheats a bit

[dire anchor]

so much stuff to learn lol

[hazy steeple]

Just remember "dtooc = use it on all guns".

It's so good that the game director has talked about nerfing it.

[cerulean smelt]

that's the way i see it
as for LMG having it on it already i never know what to use for the 3rd of those

[hazy steeple]

I just throw on crit chance, since it saves space on other stats.

it used to be fire-rate for me, but that got buffed on a lot of guns.

[onyx sage]

you're not gonna believe this...

it's both...

[cerulean smelt]

i just think
"people said to put it on weapons because it does it's job"
then just play and shoot things

[thorny kernel]

Does an increase to skill duration also increase sniper turret ammo?

[cerulean smelt]

i don't think so, just prolongs the sniper turret being deployed before it natually goes poof

[thorny kernel]

Yeah i just realized that i got the additional ammo from increased skill tier lol

[onyx sage]

it's better to just pick up and redeploy after each shot

the ammo wouldn't matter either way, the charge time between each shot is the pain of it

[thorny kernel]

I have a shot recharge time of like 2 seconds, i don't really mind that

[cerulean smelt]

i imagine even at overcharge it's a long delay between shots?

[onyx sage]

nah overcharge is almost instant

[dire anchor]

when you run a lmg, what secondary weapon do you use?

or main if the lmg is secondary idk how it all works

[cerulean smelt]

i say probably depends on your build
2 builds for LMG i tend to use probably an AR secondary mostly

[dire anchor]

i got st elmos

chameleon

[onyx sage]

i run smg

[dire anchor]

i got backfire

but i know it doesn't have to be exotic

[onyx sage]

shotgun or smg make the most sense for you, and it doesn't have to be an exotic

smg-9 or vector 9mm would be your best options imo

shotguns are dealt a bad hand this patch

[dire anchor]

thanks

[cerulean smelt]

something i missed in the patches?

[onyx sage]

shotgun reload is shit

[dire anchor]

isnt it always?

[cerulean smelt]

oh yeah, some are probably like the speed of LMG reloads?

[onyx sage]

they nerfed the hell out of six12

[dire anchor]

oh

[onyx sage]

no, six12 was basically top dog for close range damage

scorpio for same reason

[cerulean smelt]

i remember someone mentioning it and my mind went to Mop? but sounds like mop isn't even worth using

[dire anchor]

i got a shotgun named something like a mop i think or atleast i think it was a shotgun

[onyx sage]

yes it is a named six12

[thorny kernel]

Isn't it's IRL counterpart called Pancor Jackhammer?

[onyx sage]

no, the six12 is a real gun

[thorny kernel]

Yeah, i mixed them up lol

[onyx sage]

jackhammer looks similar tho

[cerulean smelt]

for me, i know nothing of guns
so for me a lot seems fictional aside the few that makes it on news about violent things happening with them, but then i'm like pretty sure most if not all the weapons in Div 2 are actually real minus the exotics talents and what not

[thorny kernel]

Yeah, so far i haven't seen a non-exotic in this game that doesn't exist irl

[unkempt shell]

Ok I have a question

Would ridgeway pride work with pestilence lmg

Or would that be way to much with the crit dps and the crit chance

@ashen cosmos

[subtle bluff]

what do you mean work with?

[unkempt shell]

Ongoing directive and ridgeway pride and pestilence lmg

[subtle bluff]

You don't even have OD 4pc active....

[dire anchor]

i got a iron lung lmg not sure if it any good

[cerulean smelt]

FYI: pestilence doesn't count as a status effect, it's a debuff and not sure if the bleeding would increase it's tick damage

[unkempt shell]

And hollow point ammo as well

[cerulean smelt]

in case you don't know. the knees are currently buggy

[unkempt shell]

Oh really why

It seems to increase he tick rate by so much intresting

[cerulean smelt]

if you read the description and watch your numbers you know 50% isn't being transferred and when you're 1 on 1 you know 100% damage isn't happening either

[subtle bluff]

You're not getting hollow point rounds without 4pc OD on

[bold leaf]

It won't do anything until you add a fourth piece

[unkempt shell]

I know that

I am trying to get a backpack right now lol

But would pesti and that work hand in hand

Cuz hollow point ammo does bleed damage and pesti makes it go to bad guys when they die

[subtle bluff]

yesa and no

pesti tick isn't a static effect

so it doesn't get anything special from it

TBH you need to figure out what you want to do wih build before we go on

[cerulean smelt]

pretty sure most things die before you can even get full pesti stacks

[unkempt shell]

Yes but the stack will transfer to the other bad guy

[subtle bluff]

You're doing a mix of stuff that isn't synergy wiht

[unkempt shell]

K

[hasty anvil]

should i run technician or gunner for this rifle build?

rifle ND

[cerulean smelt]

i see chain killer why not sharpshooter for more HSD?

[hasty anvil]

cus i dont focus on Headshots

[onyx sage]

then drop the chainkiller

[cerulean smelt]

but the talent on chainkiller is headshots?

[hasty anvil]

oh is it

[onyx sage]

lol

[hasty anvil]

this build is WIP btw

i think i wanted to farm a ceska

[onyx sage]

yeah that sounds good

[hasty anvil]

or i could run walker harris

cus i have onee with obliterate

actually ima run a ceska with unbreakable since my survivability isnt great

[onyx sage]

ceska is better for damage

[subtle bluff]

You build is trying to do 3 different at the same time. So you want either do WD DPS or DOT dmg.

[hasty anvil]

yea ik but im only running a reviver and decoy isnt that great

[cerulean smelt]

was going to comment if you don't need the knees, make it ND and don the coyote mask for more CHD

[hasty anvil]

knees are foxes with CHD and DttooC

[cerulean smelt]

i honestly feel once we get abridged you'll want to swap the mask anyways XD

[unkempt shell]

U clearly haven’t watched tux video have u

[cerulean smelt]

been an extremely long time since i've watched his videos XD

[hasty anvil]

whats abridged?

[unkempt shell]

He has a build with that but ongoing directive chest and backbone bag so I swapped that for the bag ongoing directive and that exotic chest part

[cerulean smelt]

exotic mask coming in year 7
when you equip 2 weapons of the same type they share their talents with each other basically

[hasty anvil]

thats cool af

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, someone was like what can we do with rifles?
i was like hey wait a minute!

think people tried rifleman and lucky shot and said it didn't work
i tried it worked fine for me

[hasty anvil]

whats the point of expertise and proficieny ranks btw?

[subtle bluff]

LOL waht TUX?

[cerulean smelt]

Tuxedo Bandido

[subtle bluff]

There's is a MUCH better wa to do this

Ya i know who silly context guys are

[cerulean smelt]

profiency is you using gearse/weapons/skills/specializations and getting them to level 10 adding to your profiecient level
proficient level then adds to your expertise level
expertise level allows you to upgrade your proficient items to your current expertise level

[hasty anvil]

oh ok so small stat boosts to your weapon the more u use it?

[cerulean smelt]

if you spend your materials upgrading them.
think 1-10ish or so is normal materials you can obtain anywhere especially watch scavenging points
beyond they start eating into your exotic components and other things

[hasty anvil]

yikes

[subtle bluff]

This is the better way of doing triple tick. Pic below.

[cerulean smelt]

3 ongoing 1 hotshot?

[subtle bluff]

oh shit

I need to reset the builder it's broken for this save

[cerulean smelt]

i saw the OD was like yeah 4 pc that, vile added would definitely be a 3 tick dot XD

[urban latch]

Absolutely terrible source of information

[subtle bluff]

It could be worse.

[cerulean smelt]

i wish i kept that satire build video

[subtle bluff]

I've been told by @shy willow has the source saying this build isn't bad...

[cerulean smelt]

oh did keep it XD

[hexed steppe]

actually something to be proud of. in general tux community toxic af, so no real loss. also, why 3 OD on that dumpster fire above... oh wait, i get it 🔥

[cerulean smelt]

well, someone wants to utilize OD and Pestilence so MrChow is providing a 3 tick damage build for them

[hexed steppe]

not sure how the hollow point ammo was supposed to come on on a 3pc... but tux probably solved that

[subtle bluff]

I'm tempted to go look at the video

[hexed steppe]

the dumpster fire was from the op i responded too. i knew the one Chow posted was triple tick

[cerulean smelt]

Tux or the satire one i was talking about? XD

[subtle bluff]

We should make a series debunking YouTuber builds again.

[cerulean smelt]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8z1av1FEd5Y&list=LL

this one cracked me up

[subtle bluff]

THis guy. lol

[cerulean smelt]

i honestly would love more of these

[hexed steppe]

but really, whats the thought process here??? you could highend for much better results

[unkempt shell]

Oh really

[hexed steppe]

yes really

[unkempt shell]

Honestly though it would make the bleed go extra fast while dealing more dps

[hexed steppe]

what bleed... from ridgeways?

[unkempt shell]

Is the backbone better than vigilance or

[unkempt shell]

Yeaa ?i think

I have no clue okay lol

[hexed steppe]

so no od 20% ammo?

[unkempt shell]

I have the four piece bonus

[hexed steppe]

yeah i know. thats why im picking at the problem so maybe you will

look at the ss. there is no 4th od

[unkempt shell]

Cuz it does 20 percent bleed damage and pesti gives it to the next person who dies and dies and so on i believe

[hexed steppe]

no 4pc, no bleed ammo that gives 20% amp

[hexed steppe]

they bleed from ridgeways or whatever, but that isnt amped. your actual shots arent amped

[unkempt shell]

This is what I mean

[hexed steppe]

you see thats a 4pc bonus, right

[subtle bluff]

Bleeds don't stacks

[unkempt shell]

Yess

Then what would make it go quicker then

[hexed steppe]

can you highlight the 4th piece for me

[subtle bluff]

If give you someone 3 stats effects they immune too.

[hexed steppe]

get rid or ridge, add od chest.

[hasty anvil]

if i have Boomerang on a high crit chance build then in theory that 40% weapon dmg bonus will be applied frequently?

[unkempt shell]

Od chest?

[hasty anvil]

unless theres a cooldown

[hexed steppe]

this wasnt what was posted. but yeah, od chest, vigi bag

or drop turmoil and go sacrifice chest, vigi bag, and rest od

[unkempt shell]

Ok are we getting exotic skins cuz my pesti has a skin slot

[subtle bluff]

Where's this video? btw

[hexed steppe]

there is 1 but bugged

[unkempt shell]

Where do I get it

[unkempt shell]

Jesus let me find it

https://youtu.be/Cv6vxFgUugI?si=6N4Qmn9Ydoy6R70u

[hexed steppe]

its only for scorpio, stretch goals end of season loop

[unkempt shell]

@subtle bluff

[unkempt shell]

Then why is the a pesti skin slot with no skin

[subtle bluff]

You got the wrong build...

[unkempt shell]

I know I need the backpack

[subtle bluff]

This is still not a that good even

[unkempt shell]

But when I try to get it no bloody red on said bag

[subtle bluff]

Don't use pesti in thsi build

Sadist is 30% amp

FREE with OD

[hexed steppe]

i dont run pesti on od. its counter productive in my eyes, but the triple tick build that was shared would probably be best option for pesti on it.

its much stronger running carnage lmg. i use this a lot, and it chews through everything

[unkempt shell]

What about carnage weapons it has perfect sadist

[subtle bluff]

Yea I hate seeing Pesti on OD

[hexed steppe]

👆

[subtle bluff]

It's in local pic right there

[unkempt shell]

Ok

[hexed steppe]

you could still secondary pesti if you really wanted too. between bleed ammo and gunner you never run low on ammo

[unkempt shell]

Would having 158 crit damage be good ?

[hexed steppe]

whats the chance

[subtle bluff]

or this. There a bunch of different way to run this.

[unkempt shell]

Is this one a good build as well

Just curious lol

[subtle bluff]

No fenis

[unkempt shell]

Oh

[subtle bluff]

Ceska chest instead and that's fine

[hexed steppe]

passable

[unkempt shell]

Ah okay

Cool cool

What special should I use for it

[hexed steppe]

gunner

[subtle bluff]

In the Pinned Messages there's a bunch of build guides

[unkempt shell]

Really

Okay

Good or bad?

Or should I use dark winter

@hexed steppe

[hexed steppe]

whats the hunters fury 5pc bonus?

tagging gives me good opportunity to ask some silly questions, js 😂
i think you already know the answer... so what do you change to make it not super wasteful?

ok, ill give a hint...
🙅‍♂️ 🥷

and another hint ...

🦾

[subtle bluff]

Why is NBB here?

[unkempt shell]

I’m using that bag for the crit dps

[hexed steppe]

thats a stupid answer agent

[unkempt shell]

Ok and

What to swap

[hexed steppe]

what does ninja bag do

[unkempt shell]

Already know what it does

[hexed steppe]

obv not.

why is it on the build

[subtle bluff]

You have this backpack alread and it can give you 12 CHC and 25 CHD .....

[hasty anvil]

rifle reccomendations? for my ND build? im using Urban MDR rn cus its so stable at good ranges

[subtle bluff]

I postd already to you

[hasty anvil]

the pin?

[subtle bluff]

scroll up

[hexed steppe]

m1a cqb boomerrang or flatline , spec dependent

[subtle bluff]

The last pic I posted

[unkempt shell]

Ok that makes more sense thanks lol

Let me guess use gunner on Hunter fury bulf

Build

[subtle bluff]

No you can use Firewall

[unkempt shell]

Ohhh

Ok

[subtle bluff]

It all depends on your playstyle

[hexed steppe]

if you keep ninja, drop a hf piece, it unlocks the 4th if its not already on the build. memento would fit a hell of a lot better, and also helps a bit with that bleed through the regen

[subtle bluff]

with the builds

[hasty anvil]

think u talking to the wrong person lol

[unkempt shell]

Ok for the lmg build i use gunner as well

[hasty anvil]

ty

[subtle bluff]

NO SCROLL UP in the channel. nvm i'll do it. #td2-build-advice message

[unkempt shell]

Right

[hasty anvil]

ohhh

[unkempt shell]

Ok now I am curious how much crit dps can I get lol

[hexed steppe]

tbf, i think that was put up as an od variant, and not as a nego rifle suggestion

[subtle bluff]

It was a 2 question at once. So fair

[cerulean smelt]

nods think the initial conversation was OD build, then a question about a ND rifle build later on XD

did chuckle with the 5 pc HF question though

[subtle bluff]

it was either 3pc or 5pc gearset questions.

[cerulean smelt]

oh i know, picture showed 4 HF + NBB

[subtle bluff]

No the other build he was post showed 3pc OD

[hexed steppe]

this is older message but i think youre close to a good nego. obv chest was mentioned.this is how i run. use an ar with the rifle and make sure you push the crit right to 60%

[hasty anvil]

ive been using the ACS-12 as secondary but i can swap to elmos

its just that the MDR is already good on its own as a Rifle with high rpm and good range and recoil

[hexed steppe]

theres no really wrong way to run it, tbh. if it crits and transfers then its working. higher capacity will yield more crits, why i suggest ar. i would definitely try it a few ways, but if acs fits the bill, then use it. with next season and that alphabridge (shared talent) style mask comes out i think a lot of builds are gonna be turned on their head

[cerulean smelt]

personally i see HF with Catalyst will be interesting too

i got my one build ready for alphabridge 👀

surprised they brought back Pahkan too honestly

[shy willow]

It's gooddddd

[subtle bluff]

You tell raucey that

[random plinth]

Hi guys, is there any " one shot " build for the bosses in the Raid " Dark Hour ", i can't find any updated builds, ty in advance 😉

[magic pilot]

Mdr with sadist is nasty on OD

That extra reload speed is nice with small mag guns

[subtle bluff]

Which boss?

[vestal ibex]

Every boss is "one shot" in modern speeds but most of these have different build you can use but some need a ton of buffs like boomer and typically relies on a crit.

[urban latch]

https://youtu.be/YyOZvItdMtA?si=0ainjwsvxdPaVQDu

[pastel basin]

Would a regulus with perfect stats be better than a harvest with health damage?

[urban latch]

Harvest with flatline should be stronger. In most cases it's not really going to matter either way, all the one shots could be done with regulus, and harvest (or even a normal 636 magnum with flatline) is even stronger.

[vestal ibex]

Did he cover DH in that vid? Isn't that just IH?

[thorn pivot]

for some reason i cant do Ravenous Nego one shot on Gray, it only deals about 10mil for me idk if im doing something wrong

[subtle bluff]

Need a clip.

It's hard to figure out what went wrong without seeing it.

[vestal ibex]

You need to rav stack quickly before nego mark runs out, if this is pistol nego you need someone to achilles the gunner ad and perferably a couple people cause you might not get helmet, you have got to shoot the gunners helm. As chow said a clip does help and might show which or what is the issue at a single glance.

[thorn pivot]

it has to be a armor plate that u shooting right? like chunga leg armor

[subtle bluff]

Yes, an Armor Plate. They can be shot off like.

[urban latch]

For grey your hitting the helmet on the gunner ad, that's your armor plating

[ember crane]

does the repair skills atribute get effected by refractor 4piece bonus?

[shy willow]

No

[ember crane]

what about incoming repairs?

[subtle bluff]

Maybe? It's a bad stat anyway. Why?

[ember crane]

just wondering

[subtle bluff]

No one uses Incoming Repairs since there are MUCH better choices.

incoming is only for the one person that has it on

[ember crane]

using on a hybrid skill build and refractor

[subtle bluff]

Show

[ember crane]

dont really know what im doing tbh

just progressing through the journey stuff

knees are wyvern, just stacked skill dmg and armor regen with some protection from elites

my longterm plan is to dig into a build that traverses through a mission without having to aim the whole time. So my skills dmg and cc enemies and top my armor up

memento is prob better for that idea

tho thinking about the memento, iv tried that before and end up getting pinned down while watching all the memento drops - kinda not smart

[subtle bluff]

Ya no.. this is bad..

[subtle bluff]

So you want a afk build?

[ember crane]

ye

[subtle bluff]

it's kind of bad.

[ember crane]

what about flamethrower

flamethrower - armor stacking - leech mb

[subtle bluff]

That's the better ish way of doing afk

[subtle bluff]

what about it?

[subtle bluff]

To note for this game you need to aim at some point to kill things.

[ember crane]

as like a cc/dps main to just run through a mission/control point

[subtle bluff]

Doesnt' really work

[subtle bluff]

You use EP for that

[ember crane]

what about spinning flame turret?

[fair dragon]

not for me 😉

[subtle bluff]

You are still aiming your skill. So not afk.

[subtle bluff]

no

[ember crane]

i have a few build variations in warframe with extremely min/max'd rivens on occucor - allows fast map traverse up to lvl cap - just want to feel that power somewhat here

[subtle bluff]

wtf what does warframe have to do with Div2 builds?

[fair dragon]

is Ocucor AoE?

[ember crane]

it latches tenticles of beam energy at very low dps, the right mods can make that dmg insane. Just makes movement feel like an arpg

[fair dragon]

i mean if speedrunning is your thing, there's the Regulus Headhunter build

[subtle bluff]

This is not Warframe. I do not know anything about Warframe. Soo idk what you are saying right now.

He doesn't want to aim much...

[fair dragon]

they're saying they want the "power" of blasting through missions without using much brain juice

[subtle bluff]

I mean I guess.

[ember crane]

yeah haha thats all really but im also totally fine if thats not a thing, just asking

[fair dragon]

but Warframe and Div 2 are very different games.

Warframe is either a Horde mode or a Speedrunners clone

[subtle bluff]

Like I do not understand any of your references since I have no knowledge of Warframe.

[fair dragon]

Division 2 involves tactics and strategies.

[ember crane]

well looking at hotshot, that is roughly what i was saying

[fair dragon]

while it is true that much of the game is basically a DPS-check, without proper strats you'll struggle to clear content.

[ember crane]

or that cleave set, negotiators

[fair dragon]

or a mortar build

[ember crane]

that sounds fun

[subtle bluff]

I'm out. GL.

[magic rapids]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19QJV66vqREDim4BKtW5qffSmsgN02tMd5LiuwUuJdGY/edit?tab=t.0
in this build it says to use technecian for a free skill tier but i currently have 6 tiers so i dont need it
is it worth running tech for the 10% skill damage or is it better to use another spec?

[worn mango]

Well you can either use Gunner or you can swap a core on one of the pieces so you can take advantage of technician

[thorny kernel]

How much specialist ammo does TotS generate per minute?

And what additional effects do chest and backpack have?

[dreamy grotto]

the answer is "not enough" for everything, except flamethrower

[dreamy grotto]

backpack doubles ammo generation and increases your damage, when speciall ammo is fully depleted
chest gives some little special ammo on every 3rd kill, and increases basic damage buff

AFAIK the only builds which work with Tip of the spear - are snipers

and flamethrower, but you not allowed to discuss it here, coz its not striker build, and we are not allowed to discuss fun builds here

[shy willow]

You certainly are

[vestal ibex]

Can we change the name of the channel to striker+HH build advice only?

[shy willow]

its just people tend to preface it with "this build is the best ever" rather than "something stupid made for fun"

[dreamy grotto]

this)

[worn mango]

Yes, but can I run Ninjabike, 2 piece striker, 2 piece Hotshot with Headhunter?

[fresh fox]

please

all roads lead to striker and headhunter

[vestal ibex]

At the end of the day how would one rate their advice? Is it the lowest effort with the biggest pay off? Is it doing something that saves them time of farming out and min maxing garbage gear?

[fresh fox]

unless it’s support

but no one wants that!!!

[dreamy grotto]

if you mention ninjabike - dogs are allready set off leashes))

[fresh fox]

because we give advice

and 99% of the time it’s not advisable

[vestal ibex]

Yes you can ez

If you can grey gear it you can anything it.

[worn mango]

True, and hopefully my striker stacks will stay full from my MMR

[vestal ibex]

How you getting stacks?

[worn mango]

Yes

[vestal ibex]

Striker really changed in the 8 hours since I last played huh.

[dreamy grotto]

should i get all red striker build, or should i get all red striker build?)

[vestal ibex]

If you wanna do harder content in the game while not being carried by people using these builds yes. If you wanna mess around in solo heroic anything is fine.

I typically ask people if they wanna contribute in a meaningful way to the progression of whatever content we do together as I teach them and if they say naw I don't care you are gonna be carried but if they say yes I suggest a strikers build.

[thorny kernel]

Okay random question. What's the most gimmicky build that's out there?

[vestal ibex]

Gimmicky how?

[thorny kernel]

I'm not sure how to describe it tbh.

[dreamy grotto]

the ravenous

in general ppl dislike that gun, coz on console its meh to switch shoulders

i love that weapon especially coz its not "point and kill stuff" - and building around it require some thinking outside of "build everything in crit chance and crit damage"

also you cant use shield with it
also you cant hide behind EVERY corner (coz you need to switch shoulders for that gun to work)

[fresh fox]

ravenous damage is heavily reliant on crit though!!!!!!!!!!

[vestal ibex]

brah explosive damage/s

[dreamy grotto]

thats the neat part, it not buffed by explosive damage

also you cant just slap it on a striker build - with higher rpm it become uncontrolable now - but striker stacks buff explosion damage

[fresh fox]

wait it’s so true…………………

[vestal ibex]

sigh

[dreamy grotto]

oh, im not native speaker, so it got past me xD

[fresh fox]

it’s still heavily buffed by good crit though

since primers can crit

[thorny kernel]

Rav was... DH drop?

[vestal ibex]

IH

[thorny kernel]

Not sure

[dreamy grotto]

iron horse

[fresh fox]

that’s why damage fluctuates even on a high end build where it shouldn’t

[thorny kernel]

Ah

[vestal ibex]

Sounds like you are at that stage where you wanna make funk builds and just mess around yeah?

[thorny kernel]

Yep

I'm getting bored of the standard DPS and skills builds and shit

[vestal ibex]

What builds have you made and which ones do you enjoy the most?

[thorny kernel]

I think my favorite build so far has to be my seeker spam with 4xHW + BTSU gloves

[fair dragon]

Yikes

[thorny kernel]

I went away from seeker to use something like sticky launcher instead tho

[fresh fox]

my favourite silly build to use is regulus with headhunter

pistols shouldn’t be used with headhunter XDDDD

[dreamy grotto]

yes coz every primer crit is separate from other, so you want as many chc as possible

[thorny kernel]

I'm also fiddling around with alternating between Assault Turret and Striker Drone with Rigger

[vestal ibex]

Sounds like a mortar build is for you tbh.

[fair dragon]

Rigger is useless

[fresh fox]

yea i literally just said that

[dreamy grotto]

hh harvest is fun too

[fair dragon]

Hey that's my line

[vestal ibex]

It's locals line bro

[thorny kernel]

Mortar build?

[fair dragon]

It's our line

[worn mango]

Get ready to farm buddy

[fair dragon]

Ignore the weapons

For the weapons you want a Capacitor or Test Subject

[thorny kernel]

Have both, gonna use both lol

any named gear pieces?

[worn mango]

Backpack

[vestal ibex]

I'd also say if you haven't done the Fire EP build you should, it's my fav skill build.

[fresh fox]

backpack, chest and gloves

[vestal ibex]

Backpack and chest is in that pic

[fair dragon]

The Sacrifice, Contractors Gloves, all have to be rolled to skill damage as primary attribute

[fresh fox]

contractors!!!

lowkey forget the name of the bag

[vestal ibex]

lol that isn't the named backpack

[fresh fox]

oh

[thorny kernel]

Contractors? What can those do?

[fair dragon]

For the backpack, you can use Strategic Alignment, I personally use one with tech support for the extra 5%

[fresh fox]

i thought that they usually used that

[vestal ibex]

we all Fed up lol

[vestal ibex]

Shock and awe doesn't have tech support tho

[thorny kernel]

Anyways i gotta go for now, I'll be back later lol

[fresh fox]

no like i thought they usually used shock and awe over tech

[vestal ibex]

all this stuff is in the pinned spreadsheet btw

[fresh fox]

we all suck…,,,

[vestal ibex]

5% is 5% tho

[fresh fox]

sir that needs a kill and kills are hard to get

[fair dragon]

Um

[vestal ibex]

Just killem

[fresh fox]

too hard

[fair dragon]

That is only true for chungas