td2-build-advice

[magic pilot]

Optimist is WD

[pastel basin]

Oh so it would do 15% more overall damage?

[magic pilot]

I believe so yes

[pastel basin]

Ooo okay bett

[loud narwhal]

What is a good skill based build for a lv 40 freshy? I currently am just running a Striker with palasades mask and brazos holster, none of it is optimized at all.

[magic pilot]

What kind of skills are you wanting to use?

[loud narwhal]

So far through campaign i've just been running crusader shield with drone

I like the drone, but heard end game it was meh

[restive dome]

Builds in the campaign don't really matter, they are truly unlocked at lvl 40

[loud narwhal]

What is a good build (doesn't matter type) I can farm through summit/countodwn? I have Capacitor and Strega weapons as exotics

[pastel basin]

Ohhh so it’s the same build then? Just change the pistol out?

For the little bee setup?

[fresh fox]

flatline is an amp

[fresh fox]

yea

oh for bee no

give me a second

[wary lynx]

Anyone got a eb build
?

[pastel basin]

Yes please 🙏

I’m trynna have both builds so I can help my friends out finish the raids earlier

[wary lynx]

Anyone got a good pvp eagle bearer build?

[loud narwhal]

So I got St Elmo's Engine.... did I get a bad drop, because it's dmg is 88.6k and pretty much every other assault rifle I have is 90k+

[hexed vault]

Are you looking at the stat on the gun or thats the number when shooting it

[loud narwhal]

Ummmm

The stat on the gun?

[hexed vault]

I think its less dmg higher rpm to stay in line with the others

But the real kicker is the value of the 3 attributes

[glossy scarab]

also, is it optimized?

[loud narwhal]

+13.2 Assault Rifle Damage
+18.5 Health Damage
+3.9 rate of fire

[hexed vault]

Whats the 3rd one

[glossy scarab]

oh ok not bad

[hexed vault]

Not awful no

[loud narwhal]

No it is not optimized.... lowkey don't knwo how to really do that

Does eery St Elmo have the same talent?

[hexed vault]

Once you input those gear stats into the bench, it'll allow you to optimize to the value you have saved

Every exotic has the same talent, their 3rd attribute is what changes

[glossy scarab]

yeah. you can reconfigure the gun as many times as you can afford and try to get DTOC as your third attribute. but its a game a chance

[loud narwhal]

I am hesitant to do any of that, because I don't wanna mess around then burn through all my resrouces

[hexed vault]

Like yours is Rate of Fire, most people like Damage to Targets Out of Cover

[loud narwhal]

Because i'm sure like most games, crafting gets expensive

[hexed vault]

It does for sure, but there's many ways to get mats

[loud narwhal]

Build Component Description
Weapon Slot #1 St Elmo's Engine
Weapon Slot #2 GR9 LMG with "Frenzy" or "Fast Hands" talent
Specialization Gunner
Mask Red Core Striker with Crit Chance or Crit Damage
Backpack Memento
Chest Red Core Ceska, Grupo, or Fenris with Crit Chance & Crit Damage & "Obliterate" talent
Gloves Red Core Striker with Crit Chance or Crit Damage
Holster Red Core Striker with Crit Chance or Crit Damage
Kneepads Red Core Striker with Crit Chance or Crit Damage
Gear Mods Crit Chance | Crit Damage
Skills Crusader Ballistic Shield | Reviver Hive
Pro Tip Aim for 60% Crit Chance, then use Crit Damage rolls and mods

So this is random build I looked up and am sort of gonna roll with

I tried looking at the google doc but you need a PhD to read it, it feels like

[glossy scarab]

once you get memento stacks that damage value is going to go up quite a bit. i dont know if it will show when you look at the stats though

[hexed vault]

No it wont show in stats

[loud narwhal]

So far i've just been farming Summit and Coutndown with loot target for stuff

[hexed vault]

Same with Striker stacks affecting the gun

[glossy scarab]

oh right right

[hexed vault]

Do 15 floors of Summit for the weekly and then farm countdown because its faster and you earn countdown credits to buy exotic caches and more

[paper yarrow]

I've been running a tech build. thinking of getting into a medic build. any suggestions?

[hexed vault]

Future Initiative

[paper yarrow]

I have that. think I have all 6 pieces. arms, specialization, mods?

for exotics, I know off the top of my head that I have Doctor home and Cooler.

oh, and Which SHD tech?

[hexed vault]

Repair skills, for sure, yellow cores, BTSU Datagloves, Scorpio too

[paper yarrow]

Scorpio?

Why that one?

[hexed vault]

Debuff the targets for your team

Doctor Home is niche but doesn't do as much in group content

Reinforcer Chem and Restorer Hive

[loud narwhal]

Say I want MEMENTO backpack... best way to famr it through countdown with backpack as taret loot?

[hexed vault]

Yes

On Challenging since thats most popular

[loud narwhal]

That is what i've been doing. That is how I got Elmo's first run

[hexed vault]

And then also you can return to the white house and buy exotic caches from a countdown vendor

[loud narwhal]

Where is that located? Also are the exotics random or are there gear and weapon caches?

[hexed vault]

Its located near the entrance so when you go to White House go right, you'll see other players and vendors and theres one for countdown. Those will be all random exotics

[loud narwhal]

near the heli pad? or inside

[hexed vault]

Near the heli pad

[hazy steeple]

@loud narwhal It's a laptop, not a person.

between the stairs to the helipad and the Seasons/Event people.

[loud narwhal]

Got it, thanks

[fresh fox]

if you dont have the habs bag i would do something like this

the stability from 2pc doug is nice

the damage difference between habs bag vs non habs
habs on top, doug on bottom

didnt shoot an armored target but like pretend i did

the numbers would be increased by like 8%

not really but like lets say it would be

[pastel basin]

So this is the build I would want to run on little bee? Or regulus? Or for regulus run negotiators instead?

[fresh fox]

both

[pastel basin]

Bettt thank youuuuuu

Wait wouldn’t the gift backpack be better to run because of the perfect vigilance buff?

[worn imp]

Should I recalibrate to run +15% shotgun damage OR just replace +7% crit damage with +8% crit chance? My shotgun in my build currently has 44% crit chance and 74% crit damage

[pastel basin]

Just get a better shotgun at that point, don’t waste the materials.

[pastel basin]

Also for most weapons you should run damage to targets out of cover for the most amount of damage

[fresh fox]

no

perfect vigi does nothing for damage

if you want to run that while you wait for habs go ahead though

[pastel basin]

Yeah I’ll do that for a bit cause trying to get a habs with 3 talents that I need will be hard 😭

[fresh fox]

i just have hsd and vigi

but even then it’s still kinda annoying to get

i think my other minor is chd?

[stuck pagoda]

Can I get yalls opinion? ITs an exotic and does alot less damage, but it has higher firerate. The issue I see is that its ability, which is bassicallz Fallouts "Unending" prefix, where you never have to reload, doesnt increase the damage you are capable of. Same total ammo capacity with less damage. Do you guys think it is worth it?

This is my Stoners ability

Which honestlz it has no tradeoff lol. Stoner already has plentz enough Stability and accuracy to spare lol

Do yall think I should stick to the Stoner?

Stoner:

Exotic

Replenishing "some" ammo is also very beuge

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Vague

[potent fulcrum]

BK has better dps than stoner

[stuck pagoda]

Ja, and honestly the ammo replenish isnt terrible

Some people online are lying and sayings its infinite, its not

[dim bloom]

hey, is there something specific that i need so the Crusader Ballistic Shield does not break so fast?

[stuck pagoda]

That is the downside

Less protection and lower damage, but can use any weapon but sig, lmg, and sniper

[dim bloom]

When i have seen it in action on other people it does not break as fast as mine

[stuck pagoda]

I am not sure if there are mods for it that increase health or repair speed

I know there is one that makes it repair faster while holstered

[potent fulcrum]

you could use pointman which makes it invulnerable to all damage for 5 seconds

or foundry bulwark gear set

[dim bloom]

If it is of any use, im tyring to run the strikers build with 4x striker, coyote and Ceska

[stuck pagoda]

I wish there was a shield that worked with heavy weapons

[potent fulcrum]

is it an all damage build

[stuck pagoda]

Like you have to be stationary and have a limited turn radius, but good protection

[stuck pagoda]

You can also use the defender drone

It will add aditional damage reduction, and can pronlong your time firing

[dim bloom]

So not much that can be done

[dim bloom]

I tried this before but i didnt feel like it was healing enough

[stuck pagoda]

Healing?

Thats the fixer drone

[dim bloom]

Oh, i misread

[stuck pagoda]

Defender drone uses microwaves to defend from bullets

[dim bloom]

I did see the defender, its the one with the microwaves right?

[potent fulcrum]

you could put some armor cores on which depending on how many you have can increase the shields health

[dim bloom]

Ok, let me give that a shot

[stuck pagoda]

And ja, skill tier is a big part

I dunno what overcharge is tho

[potent fulcrum]

that's mainly something only skill builds can activate (btsu datagloves, acosta's go-bag,etc)

[onyx sage]

you're not meant to face tank with it. your primary survivability still comes from cover, but you use the shield when you're ready to pop out and actively shoot. once you need to reposition put it away

[dim bloom]

I'll have to take a look at my playstyle then

[dreamy valve]

Guys, I’ve tested the hive efficiency from Birdies Backpack and I don’t think it seems to work at all

Artificer hive, stinger hive, and healing hive all gave the same numbers with or without the backpack

Anyone else tested it yet?

[stuck pagoda]

Can I get your opinion on another exotic? The lady death

Half the damage

[subtle bluff]

What about it?

[stuck pagoda]

Online keeps sayings its really strong, but I dont see it making up for the half damage

[subtle bluff]

You do more dmg with if you're running with beforehand.

[wary lynx]

Anyone got a good pvp eagle bearer build?

[stuck pagoda]

+75%, but its half the damage of an elite smg

[subtle bluff]

BH is used instead now. Search this channel for that pvp build. There's also a PvP channel if you look.

[stuck pagoda]

I am going to try it out, and the fire rate could make up, but it just seems like its mid, yet everzone online is sayings its super storng

[magic pilot]

Half dmg?

Don't look at just dmg

It's misleading

[stuck pagoda]

Compared to eliete SMG's I have

[subtle bluff]

That smg you posted I believe has one of the highest base WD in the game. But has no mods.

[magic pilot]

The m1928 is terrible

[dreamy grotto]

i was crying one day, seeing some youtuber with title like "Lady death melts enemies, im got number one speedruning some mission(i dont remember"

then you open the vid and he do mission on mid difficulty xD

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12vzrBI53INNVcKx25ILuvwIgJDg2xUvOO_IA0uctlwE/edit?usp=drivesdk

Generally you want to look at burst dps

[subtle bluff]

"Elite gun" it's called HE (high-end)

[stuck pagoda]

dude

[magic pilot]

Anything yellow is HE

[stuck pagoda]

za know what

I am going to call it a "Gelbes" gun now

[magic pilot]

And no one will know what you are talking about

[subtle bluff]

Trying to make it less confusing for others

[stuck pagoda]

...

[subtle bluff]

And for you in the future..

[stuck pagoda]

I have a question

[magic pilot]

Standardized terminology

[stuck pagoda]

What colour are elite enemies

[magic pilot]

Yellow/gold depending on color blind settings

[subtle bluff]

What color are bosses?

What color are named?

Let's not be dumb here.

[stuck pagoda]

Can we not argue about the ducking name of the colour

[subtle bluff]

You asked so I asked a question for a question

[stuck pagoda]

My concern is if it can make up, The 1928 has over double the damage, similar drop off. Lower acc and stab, but I dont think enough to make a huge difference. The Lady Death has a higher Firerate, but does ultimatly seemingly less damage per bullet, though having higher crit chance and higher dmg to armor.

[stuck pagoda]

I feel, considering you know what I was talking about, its just kinda asinine

[subtle bluff]

A weapon have more dmg does not make it good

Does this make a heal chem good?

[stuck pagoda]

But that doesnt answer the question. Ultimatley, your damage is the most important. I do think lady death ultimately beats it, but not by alot

[stuck pagoda]

That is not compariable

You are comparing vastly different tings

wrong word

non sequiter is about following statememnts

[subtle bluff]

Simple answer you don’t use either weapons for good DPS.

[stuck pagoda]

I think that the lower damage is compensated by the higher firerate, but not by a large margin

As well, the 1928 has a alrger magazine with a lower reload time

I still do need to test them out, it just seems like a hard decision

[subtle bluff]

It does.. If you have more stacking numbers it’ll make Lady Death do more.

[subtle bluff]

The better and simple answer again is don’t use either for DPS.

[stuck pagoda]

The way the stacks work, every round consumes a stack and does +75%

[subtle bluff]

Vector or a SMG9 will do better.

[subtle bluff]

I’m talking about the build too.

This is the point of the heal chem doing 50mill….

It’s not just about the weapon…

[subtle bluff]

If you add another 100% Amp dmg then Lady Death w/75% will do more DPS than M1928. Is that better?

[dreamy grotto]

if talking about smgs there is only one answer - use vector

[subtle bluff]

Pure burst Vector but after it’s the SMG9 really is better at everything else.

[stuck pagoda]

Thanks for the helpful info! is there an exotic vector that I may want to consider going for?

[dreamy grotto]

sadly its considered as AR

[subtle bluff]

No… Ouro

Exotics aren’t always to best btw too.

[stuck pagoda]

never said it was

[dreamy grotto]

i mean chameleon

[stuck pagoda]

I was asking if there was one MAY WANT TO CONSIDER GOING FOR

ie one that would be good

[subtle bluff]

You’re asking for them. Use the spreadsheet to learn about all the different gear.

[stuck pagoda]

dude

[subtle bluff]

Hi

Oh go to the Pinned Messages you’ll find it there.

[stuck pagoda]

I KNOW WHERE IT IS

I was asking him as a follow up question

[subtle bluff]

Ouro is the Exotic Vector.

[dreamy valve]

After testing out the Converted SMG A2, I’ve decided to stick with the MP5 N

I’m just too much of a sustain player by heart

[dreamy grotto]

i latelly use vector with 2nd bonus from cent scabbard, it have like 60 rounds

[subtle bluff]

It’s like 70 for SMG9

[dreamy valve]

Choosing the “best weapon” is also about choosing the best one for your playstyle

[subtle bluff]

I get it but at that rate use Elmo? I want my SMG to burn things down. But agreed playstyle..

If it works for you and you aren’t running into a wall keep at it.

[dreamy valve]

We can suggest the best gun based on pure math for you, but if you don’t like the feel of it, or don’t like playing it at a particular distance, you just won’t get the most out of it no matter how meta the weapon is

[dreamy grotto]

chameleon!)

[subtle bluff]

Not disagreeing with you. Again the only point would if someone is running into a wall then something has to change.

[dreamy valve]

Playing Division 2 is also about trusting your gut feelings while still having fun, rather than going all in on what a spreadsheet dictates you should use at all times

[subtle bluff]

Having fun 100%. To a degree again use whatever works for you until you hit that limit and want to go past it.

[onyx sage]

i think you're agreeing with each other in the core part of having fun, but i think chow means that one should also be goal-oriented

if your current stuff doesn't help you reach your goal, something has to change

[subtle bluff]

Words eluded me.. Same with English sometimes. Thank You, The AveragePlayer

[dreamy valve]

The biggest goal for me is to have fun, and that’s why I have builds that are not all red dps ar strikers, other people have their own goals and their own ways to play and that’s not wrong either

[subtle bluff]

I mean I have 3 builds on my loadout that do DPS and either clear or helps carry content that aren’t full reds.

I’m also not a solo player.

[dreamy valve]

For me variety is the spice of life, and I always carry 10 different loadouts at any given time for my character to switch up during gaming time

So to conclude the best build advice for new players is…the best weapon to use isn’t always what’s best for you

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk

[onyx sage]

better than 99% of TEDx talks out there

[pseudo shard]

Oroborous still good?

[thorny kernel]

Just got the oxpecker, what's a good build for it?

[subtle bluff]

Oxpecker is nothing special. Since the base gun got nerf into the ground.
You need DPS to keep the shield healed but you can need shield health to keep a buffer of health to heal.

[thorny kernel]

I don't think shield health would help much because Oxpecker drains it on a percentage basis

It'll always take 10% per second, no matter if that'd be 100 or 100k

[subtle bluff]

Yes another reason you need to ha e both dps and health to be able to heal thru it.
Then you have to undeloy and redeloy the shield all the time.

[pseudo shard]

Was the thumbs up a yes Mrchow:)

[subtle bluff]

Yes. Ouro is still good.

[worn mango]

I thought there was so much hype with Ouro but other than go brrttt it doesn't really do anything

Is it even an optimized choice in any build now?

[violet juniper]

it's number 2 best SMG behind Backfire

[formal maple]

Returning player here. Been like years...I just hit 40 and starting to try and farm some gear. I like the Summit..mainly I am not that great at the game. Here is my question. Say I was targeting the Striker gear. Will the higher difficulties drop better versions of the gear? Or do all difficulties drop the same version but just may drop less of them on the lower difficulties? Thanks in advance

[worn mango]

Higher difficulties provide higher rolls yes

But any striker with crit chance and damage will get you closer to a better version

[dire anchor]

if i want to run ar and shotgun, what gear do i need to look for?

[subtle bluff]

It still has the highest burst DPS out of everything. Still reloads quick. I put on my strikers my primary is lex w/ranger and then Ouro is my 2nd. It’s really a good switch when stuff get close and just shredded enemies.

[subtle bluff]

Any AR over 750rpm and a ACS12

[worn mango]

I get that. Right now my Striker is Lexi Killer and ACS Brazen

I've been mowing through missions trying to get caches. Made a list earlier of the 'most optimal' so I can skip the bad ones and just face punching my way through them

[subtle bluff]

To note when I talk about the content I do with most of these build it’s leggo level. ACS brazen does good work. I still throw it when I know I build some stacks on something with Striker chest.

[worn mango]

Just reminded me, PFE shotgun with Brazen Fast Hands lol

Really get that ACS flowing

[shy willow]

That was likely before the nerf

[dire anchor]

dont think i ever came across a acs lol

[shy willow]

It was stupidly broken

It's still good but for boss burns and that people just use backfire now

[worn mango]

Interesting

So the self bleed isn't that big of a deal?

[solar sable]

not at all

[worn mango]

I think I just got annoyed with it because of how you can't sprint

[solar sable]

you can but slower

[shy willow]

Backfire got buffed and only needs half the stacks so only bleeds you for half as much

[worn mango]

Ah

I just slapped on Memento HF with a Backfire, yeesh lol

[chilly palm]

Best build for the merciless?

[shy willow]

Any rifle setup will work with it but you probably want more handling

As a heads up the merciless just isn't very good

[patent gull]

I have a build question, what’s a really good skill build? that can get through endgame

[shy willow]

Most of them can

Provided you have literally all day to sit there and wait

[last edge]

So I haven't played since shortly after warlords of new York and was able to do challenging difficulty decently now im struggling on hard what happened.. I'm so confused how I got dramatically weaker and super squishy. I'm currently trying to get striker gear set and the st engine AR and the coyote mask. Even though the parts of striker gear I have are not the greatest roles but I have heartbreaker set on and sawyers knee pads the capacitor AR and whatever random secondary weapon currently rifle. But idk what to do to feel like I did before I stopped playing.

[patent gull]

But what’s the most optimal

[shy willow]

None of them are optimal

They all take crazy long to get clears

[hexed steppe]

strongest skill builds are highend mortar, eclipse fire, highend oxi

solo, mortar will be strongest

[subtle bluff]

show builds which one you like and which you're having problems with.

[odd elk]

are there any builds that effectivly apply status effects?

I would think pulse would be a status effect but that doesnt seem right

[hexed steppe]

eclipse protocol. and no, pulse isnt a status. something like jammer pulse is a status because it causes disrupt.

[odd elk]

so like

[hexed steppe]

eclipse spreads active status when an npc dies to all npc within 15m

[odd elk]

oh alright

[hexed steppe]

very strong for fire builds, and in team based also riot foam crowd control builds

[odd elk]

i wanna run that rusty lmg

the named one

[hexed steppe]

look into ongoing directive. that will fit much better

[odd elk]

whats that do

[hexed steppe]

mark enemies by shooting while they are under status. when they die, you get a mag of bleed ammo that buffs damage. also bleed keeps the status /marks active since you refill a lot

its better for your intent than eclipse. od plays like a dps, eclipse you are more like a mage or something. your weapons while using eclipse will be more about boosting the fire rather than the weapon damage

ongoing directive is opposite, the status facilitates the weapon damage and the status is just a tool to boost damage

[subtle bluff]

@odd elk This is best gearset for applying Stats Effects and ones that do damage.

[hexed steppe]

👆

[subtle bluff]

Rusty LMG the talent isn't anything special. Ongoing will be better with Sadist talent.

Gonna point you at the Pinned Messages.

[hexed steppe]

OD is a better fit than eclipse for the intent

[subtle bluff]

But Rusty isn't gonna be the play.

[hexed steppe]

we know, theyll find out i think

[subtle bluff]

murrrp

[hexed steppe]

i been liking a combo of carnage and bluescreen tbh

never need ammo anyways

[odd elk]

ill wait till tinkerer drops and run 2 lmgs one sadist one with rusty's ability

boom shakalaka

[hexed steppe]

youll be looking for something like this. vigilance works for bag talent as well as wicked(current). coyote is optional , but its a good fit

[subtle bluff]

Bluescreen is meh me. I have it work on ND. I just don't like it's mods you have to dump so much into CHC for it.

[hexed steppe]

nah its good on od. i make sure it gets filled and then use it as needed. if im crafty with it i can get a good microwave coils proc with it most times i shoot it 😉

usually use gunner pulse with it as well, but for hollywood when this was taken, the jammer was goated

[silver slate]

Whats a good raid build?

[tulip charm]

Strikers

More than enough for newer raiders

[patent gull]

A lil strikers build I’ve been using for countdown to offer survivability, and alright dps. Ngl it’s doing good for me so far!

[solar sable]

If you don't use Lefty I recommend swapping to a HE smg with Preservation, more survivability and some dps

[patent gull]

I use my Lefty as a stacker

[hexed steppe]

looks good. should be doing work as long as the crit is right. may have more blue cores than needed, but that really just boils down to preference

[solar sable]

build is great, it's just that I (example) focus on making stacks with my LMG or AR rather than gaining them with Lefty which is a good option against bosses

You do you, but personally, run something else

[patent gull]

I’ll take it into consideration considering that it is a “ tanky “ striker. Also, what chest perks would you think would work great with this skill build?

[solar sable]

I'll be real here, I'm not the guy to ask about skill builds, let's wait for someone who does to assist you

[patent gull]

Understandable. I’m the same way, but skill builds seem viable so I figured why not lol

[subtle bluff]

Almost anything can be viable. What are you trying to do with this Skill build?

[patent gull]

Skill damage, a lil bit of weapon damage, and survivability

[shy willow]

Glass cannon

[patent gull]

So SD>S>WD

[patent gull]

I’d just be squish tho right ?

[peak moss]

Not necessarily

[shy willow]

You're running a skill build so it's fairly hard to get hit

[peak moss]

If you play in cover and learn enemy spawns as you play

It can do wonders

[shy willow]

Glass cannon amps all outgoing damage so it's pretty goated for skill builds

[peak moss]

Yeah prefer it on my skill builds rather than dps builds

[patent gull]

Awesome, thank you!

[patent gull]

Usually I like to throw on obliterate for my dps builds

[hexed steppe]

glass, specifically perfect glass (sacrifice). kinetic momentum also good when running long lasting skills like turret/drone.
also since you are using long lasting skills, force multiplier is holding you back a bit. its 3sec uptime is ideal for skills that are more burst damage rather than sustained damage. in this case i would use a wyvern bag with tech support. force multiplier kinda requires you to proc it a lot and be exposed when trying to keep damage up on long lasting skills. personally i love force multiplier on mortar setup where its all burst damage and only need to pop up to proc once the mortar is about to hit something

[scenic bobcat]

Is it better to continue optimizing my equipped Coyote or swap it for the second one and optimize it?

[hexed steppe]

1st

[scenic bobcat]

Thank you

[hexed steppe]

probably 2 opt from max. the other is 3-4

but save both and use the lesser on an alt

[scenic bobcat]

Oh, that's a good idea

Thanks

[patent gull]

would the chest piece for the gear set also be an altomatum? Because it gives health bath, or would it just be worth to keep the Hana chest piece on?

[bright raptor]

if you're using a gearset chest piece you can't, as those have a fixed talent related to the gearset talent

[patent gull]

I know, but what I’m saying is should I change out the gear set chest piece, or keep it. Like overall is the perk worth it on it

[bright raptor]

1. your current chest piece is not the gear set chest piece

2. their recommendation is to replace the Spotter talent on your current chest piece with Glass Cannon or Kinetic Momentum is possible

[true wedge]

What do people recommend with pestilence? Would Ongoing Directive gearset be good or maybe just yellow gear?

[patent fossil]

Pestilence talent isn't a status effect so doesn't have much synergy with OD.
The usual build is a high end one designed to maximise weapon damage (3pc lengmo including backbone, glass cannon, contractors, can't remember the other two pieces) but it's a bit of a pain to farm since lengmo drops with blue cores.
You can just run it with a standard striker build for better up front damage.

[true wedge]

Which maximises weapon damage more? The higher end builds or striker build?

I know striker can get to 200% but not sure how much high end can

[patent fossil]

Striker will do more damage on bullet hit once stacked, but less tick damage from the pestilence talent

[true wedge]

Wouldnt they be somewhat similar since its all based on weapon damage?

Or does that stacked weapon damage from striker not get applied to pestilence talent?

[patent fossil]

No, because striker amp isn't counted for pestilence tick damage. Neither does crit or headshot. It only counts weapon damage, total weapon damage and certain other amps like glass cannon

[true wedge]

Gotcha, and at that point if you use striker then pestilence just becomes a normal lmg somewhat

[patent fossil]

Yeah, you still get some tick damage, and the striker rof bonus helps build pesti stacks faster, so it's not a bad combination, you're just not getting the most out of the talent

[true wedge]

So thats why people tend to run high end?

[patent fossil]

Yes

[true wedge]

Well guess time to farm gear lol

[hexed steppe]

you can keep it as 2 hanna pieces if you decided to use glass/kinetic chest and tech support bag. sacrifice has 5% more amp damage but would also remove the damage bonus of hanna, so thats why wyvern was suggested as the other option. at the end of the day both setups would have similar damage output 💯

[honest moss]

Does swap speed do swapping to the weapon and from or just from/to?

[hexed steppe]

idk, but its not worth building around as a set bonus. its also not worth taking as a 3rd attribute on weapons when damage to targets out of cover, damage to armor, crit chance(lmg), or headshot damage are available.

[honest moss]

Thank you, was just wondering for the overlord for slowing people down but it is a weird roll for sure.

[dreamy grotto]

vigil backpack + centurion scabbard is preety potent combo on smg\shotgun setup

[bright raptor]

if you really like the Hunter's Fury chest bonus, sure

[dreamy grotto]

what if i like hearbreaker chest bonus?)

[magic pilot]

That's what you should run

[worn mango]

Silly question, on gun talents like killer or Chameleon stacks, those never stay when you swap right?

[viral remnant]

Attempting to make a skill tank build using the new backpack any suggestions, or any other build ideas using the new backpack

[patent fossil]

Correct, all weapon stats and talents are lost when you switch weapon except for a few (finisher, sledgehammer, busy little bee)

[worn mango]

Cool, I figured. Probably worth reloading in many scenarios instead of losing everything

[patent fossil]

Yeah, chameleon in particular is only decent when you can maintain the buffs reliably, which effectively locks you out of using other weapons. It's one of the less popular exotics for this reason

[magic pilot]

Unwavering is a big one people overlook

If you swap from the unwavering smg to an lmg for example and reload right away it has the handling bonus

[patent fossil]

Oh yeah, that's a decent one. Generally though, sledgehammer is the only one that doesn't explicitly state that it works with weapon swap. For everything else, it's in the description.

[patent fossil]

Wait, I thought the buff was lost when you swap away from it? That's a bit odd.

[wispy adder]

Hi, does anyone possibly have a gear set list for all the sets in the game? I've tried looking online and can't seem to find anything. I just wanna have a look through them all and start getting some builds put together for skills and and tank builds but theres so many different sets and don't know what to put for my targeted loot in the summit haha

[bright raptor]

Pinned messages, The Spreadsheet 2

[magic pilot]

It only works for reloading when you swap

You have to reload right away

[vestal ibex]

I mean for what you've got here it just doesn't make sense. Foundry skill with vanguard means you've got very little armor to give on vanguard and you've got next to no armor to help with foundry. I would take the bulwark cause the HP increase but really might wanna start thinking else where tbh. Bridies means you need to revive people so I'd plan on giving no buffs or support to help make sure team mates go down so you get use out of it. I kid but also kinda don't but really I'd say almost any support build is made worse by using it and it's just counter intuitive to gameplay in general.

[pastel basin]

For the coyotes mask, can someone answer these few questions in order?

1. Do the stacks of critical chance stack? Like if me and a friend has the mask on and we both try to get the buff for 25% chc, does it turn to 50%? Same with the first two 0-15m and 15-25m?

2. If it doesn’t stack, can people still get all three of the buffs at once if there’s 3 people with the mask and all 3 hit enemies from the necessary 3 buff, doesn’t everyone in the squad get all 3 of those buffs?

[vestal ibex]

Coyotes mask does not stack but you can have all three buffs at one time, close-mid-far.

To quickly know which is what the icon goes far at top to bottom being close.

[pastel basin]

Thank youuuu very muchhh

For this build, I have the harvest but its health damage and I put flatline already, would a godroll d50 be better than that with flatline and dttooc?

[cerulean smelt]

just looked at it myself and was like shield and artificer hive???? wait why that hive and not revive hive?

[terse scroll]

are these worth just extracting for the maxed crit chance or should i save them?

[cerulean smelt]

can use either

[terse scroll]

Artist's Tool isn't worth keeping to optimize?

[cerulean smelt]

upto you honestly. me probably would just because i have the resources to do so

[pastel basin]

Throw away the artists tool and keep the other one, it’s not really the best but it’s better than nothing

[terse scroll]

ty

[round zinc]

if im building sticky bomb then which one should i lean into

[fair dragon]

Which sticky

[cerulean smelt]

fire sticky with eclipse protocol can be quite fun

[round zinc]

just finding something to slot into my hardwired seeker spam for journey

[cerulean smelt]

personaly i'd do any of the hives

[shy willow]

Throw on a stinger

[cerulean smelt]

hive and primary skill you want to spam is usually the best combination

[hexed steppe]

mortar is a good proc for feedback loop

[hexed steppe]

still wouldnt lean into swap speed. better options available

[tawdry raven]

Dang did the banshee really go from the best to the one of the bottom burst smgs?

[cerulean smelt]

i agree, don't like that mechanic but some people seem to gobble it up

[tawdry raven]

What's better on tac vector, killer or optimist?

[subtle bluff]

Sadly it did. They put into the ground and then some. The new is SMG9.

[subtle bluff]

Darker Winter for killer is better.

[tawdry raven]

Tac vector is above the smg9 on the burst dps, still build up both smgs tho

[subtle bluff]

Try it.

You have to look at all 3 dps. To get a good mix.

[tawdry raven]

It's a smg, burst DMG is all it'll do

[subtle bluff]

Keeping it simple mag dmg.

[vestal ibex]

Burst means nothing if you don't have the mag damage to kill.

[onyx sage]

mag damage very important ye

[tawdry raven]

So tac vec is mid cuz it's 40 mag?

[onyx sage]

it's 25 base vs 32 base

[subtle bluff]

If you look at the chart again check it's mag dmg.

[vestal ibex]

It's also dependent on your content/player scaling. Try out both and see what's best for you.

[subtle bluff]

IE. Needing to reload or just using one mag to kill one. Is a pretty big difference.

[tawdry raven]

well now im just confused how the banshee is supposed to be mid

[onyx sage]

reload?

[subtle bluff]

At 28 exp Idk try it.

[tawdry raven]

banshee is faster by .2

[subtle bluff]

All of my stuff are at 12 exp.

Go use it them!

[vestal ibex]

It's the optimal range and again depends on your played content.

[viral remnant]

Yeah maybe vanguards will get swapped, I find the bag nice for when people do go down and especially in solo q. I did the master Mission so I want to get some use out of it, once I get Max proficiency it can go in the stash probs

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I just feel like being on a proper foam/FI build and doing what you can to keep people up is much better. To me birdie offers very little when people do go down and if no one goes down it's like a FI with BTSU not using a hive.

[onyx sage]

it's so good for me as a solo player

[honest moss]

This. I feel like it is counter productive on a healer build. Whole job is keeping people up not reviving. But i do think it could be somewhat useful.

[cerulean smelt]

i feel trying to keep everyone alive can be rough. you shoot a player with the chem and they move far away from it

[onyx sage]

in this master mission most people would die from mortars, and if you don't time your revive right the mortar will get you during or right after the revive

so it's sort of useful there

but then again... ideally you don't die from them

[honest moss]

Yeah i can see that. Idk, it is awkward. On one hand is it better than btsu? Probably not. But if you have squishy teammates maybe you get more value. Might be useful in say countdown too where you have more people to watch over. But typically again i find people can hold their own in there

[cerulean smelt]

i like btsu better because i oc myself and teammates
birdies probably yourself on successful revive?

[onyx sage]

it will be useful in situations where it's very likely one would go down, but if they keep up good mission design, ideally players could learn how to not die if they put in enough time

[thorny kernel]

Which would be best for this build, Elmo's, Chameleon or Pestilence?

[cerulean smelt]

why exotics?

[thorny kernel]

Any non-exotics you can recommend?

[tulip charm]

Many

Most ARs LMG SMGs can work with strikers

[thorny kernel]

What's something among those 3 lists i should avoid for strikers then?

[honest moss]

Police m4, famas, f2000, even fals and p416s work. Honestly that striker setup works for almost anything as long as it still hits the CHD & CHC numbers

Those are all ARs i listed fyi.

[thorny kernel]

What talent and attributes should i go for?

On the gun i mean

[honest moss]

But out of your options, all 3 are good. I personally prefer the st elmos over the chameleon though

[subtle bluff]

FI job isn't just a healer tho.

[honest moss]

Always damage to target out of cover on third attribute for ARs (DTTOOC) and then talent can be played with a bit. Probably like optimist, strained, killer. Few others are stand outs too. Flatline if technician, ranger is solid.

[thorny kernel]

What would fit best for a gunner?

[honest moss]

No ofcourse but i just mean generally it is better to keep people up than plan to revive on a down i feel.

[honest moss]

Again just whatever you like but: optimist is good, strained and killer do chd. Ranger is nice if you hold far out. I think measured is even good still since its buff.

There are a few to play around with, ideally if you can get the right rolls on the attribute so you can reroll the talent it lets you explore a bit

[cerulean smelt]

try them all and find one that suits your play style

[thorny kernel]

Police m4 with strained, gonna put DTTOOC on it and see how it plays

What would be the best exotic armor piece for this build tho? Stick to Coyote's?

[subtle bluff]

I mean FI support doesn't have to run a restore Chem. They use riot foam and then if they're on tech they can help ignore the jammer pulse. Then all the free dmg buff help people kill things quicker.

[violet juniper]

I'm making a red true patriot build

80 round Ouro go brrr

[vestal ibex]

2 pc brazo
2 pc TP
1 pc zoo
NBB

[violet juniper]

no

I want true patriot

Mag size is just a bonus bit

[cerulean smelt]

....what do you think tp is?

what soulless put would give you the optimal magazine size

[cerulean smelt]

how much magazine is that btw?

[vestal ibex]

Just like TP builds not enough to justify using them.

[cerulean smelt]

lol

[vestal ibex]

TP-30%
braz-50%
zoo-15%

iirc

It's even better when you use a bullet king.

[onyx sage]

infinite mag damage

[cerulean smelt]

@vestal ibex would be curious to see how much of a mag regulus gets with that get up XD

i might do it just to see 🤔

[broken mirage]

.

[vestal ibex]

Probs just 11 or 12 depending on how it rounds.

[violet juniper]

I want the true patriot buff

just playing around with it ngl

oblit, true patriot, coyote with a big mag ouroboros

[violet juniper]

I dunno.. GR9 with frenzy or Sleipnir would probably be real fun

didn't some guy do that? 400 mag with a frenzy GR9?

[subtle bluff]

Did it already not that great.

[dull gust]

Hello.

Recently got lucky with a Ravenouse drop and can finally get to build around my most wanted weapon of all time.

My problem is that I cant seem to land on builds. Im looking for one build for PvE and one build for PvP.. Im open to any suggestions 🙂

[vestal ibex]

I mean just build it and use it. It's not going to be great for reasons you already know.

[subtle bluff]

It's not something you build around if you read it's talent closer.

[violet juniper]

yeah lower damage than most builds I know

I just want to go back to the first set I ever used lol

[vestal ibex]

I just feel like you don't need build advice on it tho. Just a convo starter pot stir type thing.

[violet juniper]

yeah I have the idea in my mind

[dull gust]

Yeah I get that,but I still want to find a build that i can use with it. Maybe my phrasing on "bulding around it" is a bit wrong - Maybe just a build that I can use around it? Tried one with a full yellow gear + ninja bike backpack..but it just feels lackluster

[vestal ibex]

Rav is not that great unless you are doing the niche things it does might be a better way to put it.

[subtle bluff]

People ask for Rav to build like weekly. Trust us, there isn't really anything that works around it.
It's very niche, and even then, we only use it for particular things.

[dull gust]

hmm..okay,thanks:)

[subtle bluff]

Just try using it in PvE you'll see what we mean.

[vestal ibex]

Yeah it's kinda sad but the niche things is does is super cool. Like letting you shoot stuff for a billion damage or having a funny amount of armor.

[onyx sage]

Ru within the same minute using Rav:
"I'm so unbelievably tanky."
"I need help."

[cerulean smelt]

11 is correct (> <)

handbasket =20
1886 = 15
thanks @vestal ibex

[vestal ibex]

More boolets means more damage.

[thorny kernel]

Wait how exactly does DTTOOC work again?

Do i have to be out of cover or does the target need to be?

[hazy steeple]

Damage to Target out of Cover.
the target needs to be out of cover.

[solar sable]

enemies/target has to

[thorny kernel]

Gotcha

[thorny kernel]

Also nice pfp

[solar sable]

thx

[hazy steeple]

It should be noted that it works on more enemies than you think, because it works on any one that's not like "in cover", with the proper animation.

[solar sable]

i stole it

[thorny kernel]

can i have it

Also i just pulled Bluescreen from an exotic cache, any build recommendations for it?

[cerulean smelt]

about only build i have that in is On Going Directive

[thorny kernel]

What exotic and non-OD armor piece should i use?

[hazy steeple]

@thorny kernel There's a guide to it in the spreadsheet, it's a good read, can help clear up some confusion about the build.

[solar sable]

dm me

[thorny kernel]

Oki

[thorny kernel]

What'd be the best attribute for the 686 magnum? Headshot damage?

[onyx sage]

dttooc

[thorny kernel]

Aight

[subtle bluff]

Just to note with this comment. Exotics aren't always the best gear for everything.

[tawdry raven]

How big a difference is there between 12 and 28 expertise on all gear in pvp?

[subtle bluff]

Weapons more than armor

[tawdry raven]

Ik that but say 2 ppl with identical builds but one had max expertise armor and the other didn't would the one with max exp have a significant advantage? Or is it just like an extra bullet to kill

[hexed steppe]

Everything at level 20 would equal less than an armor core. 28 probably less than 1.5 armor core

Not significant enough to validate the cost

[runic gust]

i think this would be the best place to ask this:

sometimes feedback loop wont trigger if i use seeker mines, my sticky launcher cooldown is 24 seconds so feedback loop should make it finish immediately once i use seekers shouldnt it?

i also have the ability where it reduces feedback loop's cooldown to 5s from 10

[subtle bluff]

Extra bullet to kill.

[subtle bluff]

There's a internal CD to mines.

So you can only spam so fast.

[runic gust]

well only in the shooting range it lets me spam like this

(i dont know whats with the scavenge skill icon there but it works the same with it off)

the problem is the mines arent triggering the cooldown reset on the sticky

only when im outside the shooting range tho

oh wait okay okay i think im messing up the timing and hitting the ability while feedback is still recahrging

[dreamy valve]

yeah always look at the feedback icon, if its still gray, don't activate the skill

and then even after that, you'll need to wait another split second before using the other skill

[runic gust]

i feel like my eyes are now glued to the hud tho trying to make sure im timing this

[cinder geyser]

Does repair skill improve the amount of heals the refactor set gives

[dreamy valve]

its why I prefer using a shield to proc feedback, since a shield you can spam without worrying about its own cooldown

[dreamy valve]

It doesn't, you'll have to stack more skill damage to gain more healing

[cinder geyser]

tragic

my current build is a healing chem launcher for manual heals and a attack drone to deal consistent skill damage

[runic gust]

single handedly keeping my glass armor alive ^

[cinder geyser]

Also, Im trying to move a talent to a different backpack and it wont let me?

[dreamy valve]

healing chem is pretty good even without repair skill attributes, and that usually overheals most players. Overhealing can also be inefficient

[cerulean smelt]

you don't move talent from one backpack/chest/weapon to another
you destroy the piece with the talent you want and put it in your library which then you move it to your item you want it on

[cinder geyser]

Not sure if this is overhealing

[cinder geyser]

Ok so I have the talent in my library, how do I move it onto the backpack I want

can you not replace the talent on a named legendary item

[cerulean smelt]

named and exotic talents are locked to that piece

[cinder geyser]

oh

next then, I have an attribute in my library I want to put on a normal legendary backpack, but it wont let me click in to it?

[runic gust]

what is this

[cinder geyser]

Can you only make one change to a gear

[solar sable]

Kinetic Momentum Modifier

[runic gust]

why am i just now seeing it?

[solar sable]

You just got to lvl40 I'm assuming

[cinder geyser]

Nope

[cerulean smelt]

yes, you can recalibrate most 3rd attribute and in the cases of weapons/backpacks/chests talent

[cinder geyser]

we've been 40 for a bit

[runic gust]

no ive been at level 40 sinc warlords dropped or so

[solar sable]

SHD 23, you're pretty fresh still
It's a Modifier which you can see by opening your inventory and accessing the "brick" next to the specialization weapon

[cinder geyser]

I changed the talent on the backpack, and I have a +20% repair skill I want to put on it

[cinder geyser]

Oh so you unlock it by reaching a season level?

[cerulean smelt]

you change 1 core or attribute and in the cases of weapons/backpacks/chests the talent then you can't cahnge anything else on it

[cinder geyser]

Oh ok

backpack is alright as is I guess

unrelated but this cursed thing

[odd elk]

there has to be a niche build with those guns

maybe some random tanky build

[hexed steppe]

you joined someone who had the modifiers on on

[dreamy valve]

I used a high end rifle dps build for it with like 90% weapon handling

I was getting headshots off the explosions

[odd elk]

full blue core cathersis ruthless build

we WILL make it happen

we as in me AND YOU

[runic gust]

is there any way i can get the emp sticky launcher stil?

[stark siren]

can anyone suggest me a good Ouroboros build, please. ty sm

[dreamy valve]

Jupiter Manhunt mission

[cinder geyser]

I wonder whats the best skill for just outputting shear skill damage

[runic gust]

still around?

[cinder geyser]

(for refactor bonus)

[runic gust]

this all says unavailable

is it just bc my party doesnt have the dlc

[dreamy valve]

Drone turret

[cinder geyser]

I've noticed by drone kinda just dies in any difficult mission

might run the sniper turret again

[dreamy valve]

Tier 6 turret is pretty durable

[cinder geyser]

yeah turret never dies for m

[dreamy valve]

Can play with the usual strikers build

[cinder geyser]

is sniper or normal better you think

[solar sable]

You are not Group Leader

[cinder geyser]

I am 💔

[dreamy valve]

I would say no, but haven’t really tested it myself

[hexed steppe]

the answer always seems to be mortar

[cinder geyser]

Oh really?

[hexed steppe]

its a hard skill to master.

but very strong

[stark siren]

is it possible to play legendaries with the striker build ?

[cerulean smelt]

if you enjoy being dizzy 99.99999% in there

[subtle bluff]

Striker is viable pretty any of the content in this game.

[hexed steppe]

im not big on legendary stuff, but 99% of the time , im running striker with bag and chest for the knockdown power

[dreamy valve]

Best gear set in the game, S tier

Nerfed several times, still the best in overall content

I don’t know why it’s called Strikers Gamble since there’s no risk/reward mechanic to it, but it should

It just had faster stack loss when it was first introduced

[tulip charm]

It had miss penalty

But removed

[dreamy valve]

Oh yeah

[timber dagger]

Would second empress make thks build stronger?

[subtle bluff]

We need more context with the build and what you want to do with it.

[timber dagger]

The maximum explosives dmg possible. Its for my friend

[subtle bluff]

To be blunt it's bad.

What explosives are you wanting to use?

[timber dagger]

Van you guide me. Its seeker mines. So I can help him

[subtle bluff]

Go HW

[timber dagger]

I don't plah skill snd no nothing about them

4 hardwired + what? What specialization

[subtle bluff]

China light either GC or KM

Demo for specialization

[patent fossil]

There's a HW seeker spam build guide in the pinned spreadsheet

[subtle bluff]

I forgot ya

[timber dagger]

1 china then what other piece?

@patent fossil can u just guide me on what mask?

[patent fossil]

Not off the top of my head, I'd have to open the spreadsheet and dig out the build

[timber dagger]

Im thinking its got to be a skill dmg probably wyvern

[patent fossil]

Probably wyvern or hana u, or maybe btsu gloves if you're using stinger hive to proc HW

[timber dagger]

Yeah thanks

[patent fossil]

Yeah wyvern makes more sense than hana u, don't need haste on a hw build

Still half asleep

[subtle bluff]

Go to the guide. I'm sure you're doing it wrong already with this.

[timber dagger]

Im good its for my friend its straightforward 4 hw 1 china glass cannon 1 wyvern mask

[subtle bluff]

Not mask

Give him the guide then

[misty hull]

Whats a good build for Eagle Bearer

[subtle bluff]

strikers

[dim bloom]

I was looking through the build hub sheet but i didnt find something that stood out. What is the highest dmg Skill build?

[placid bay]

Starting to get back into the game after a long time, need some advice on a proper build to get through Paradise Lost

[livid bridge]

Are high end sets viable? Or do you have to go for the green gear sets alone?

[tawny belfry]

Is there a good Oxpecker build or is it just nah

[glad heart]

high end builds are very viable, often better than gearset builds.

[livid bridge]

Hell yeah 🙂

[tawdry flare]

Did 5.11 got a nerf this new season?

[fair dragon]

No

[hazy steeple]

I don't think that is physically possible.

[charred eagle]

The loot goblin can drop the chill out mask right?

[bright raptor]

if seasonal drops are on

[jaunty pier]

Is there a way to make headhunter sniper sets more reliable without completely nuking survivability into the floor or am I out of luck on that one?

[bright raptor]

your survivability is oneshotting everyone without a breakable helmet before they can shoot you

[spice saffron]

anyone got the link to the gdocs about div builds? thx!

[bright raptor]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

[jaunty pier]

Mostly looking for a solution to the warhounds and the multi-shot enemies but it seems like I might be out of luck there

[bright raptor]

Warhounds can be shot in the legs or literally anywhere if you run Determined

breakable helmets are well, necessary drawbacks so it doesn't completely trivialize the game

[charred eagle]

Confused a bit

[bright raptor]

in short Chill Out is a seasonal themed item (Christmas)

Hoarders have a special seasonal loot pool including these items that is manually turned on or off by the developers around specific holidays with themed items, giving access to all holiday themed items

However the timing of when they are enabled or disabled is very erratic these days

[loud pine]

just come back to the game after a few years, how is the sig mpx nowadays? running it on hunters fury with ceska and grupo and remember it being the best smg with fast hands at one point but its been a while

[versed summit]

It’s pretty mid

It has below average burst and sustain, and above average mag damage, it’s not a stand out in anything except its optimal range

[lyric prism]

proficiency max is lvl 28 and 60/90?

[loud pine]

sound cheers

time to go for ouro

[dreamy valve]

Nah

Backfire is the better “drawback” exotic smg

But I wouldn’t mind you trying it out for yourself

[thorny kernel]

Is Liberty worth going for?

[tulip charm]

why not

[dreamy valve]

I like it to regen bulwark shield

[loud narwhal]

How do I get Striker gear w/ skill tier? All of my striker gear I get is always red core atrribute, never skill tier.

[subtle bluff]

You reroll it's core to skill. All gears cores drop with it's core the same.

[loud narwhal]

So I would need to farm a 2nd striker set, one red core and one skill tier

[subtle bluff]

Is that a question?

[thorny kernel]

With Liberty now aquired, i want to make a build with it and the bulwark shield, any recommendations?

[subtle bluff]

IMO Liberty isn't great since it's base WD got nerfed

[thorny kernel]

Not intending to be rude, but that doesn't answer my question

[thorny kernel]

I mean if you want one of each, you pretty much have to farm a second set and reroll it to skill tier

Striker will always drop with a red core iirc, so just farming a second set won't cut it

[indigo fjord]

Perhaps something like this? just add liberty

(Punch drunk mask, Fox's knees and Picaros holster for named items)

[thorny kernel]

What backpack is that?

[versed summit]

Memento

[thorny kernel]

Nice, i have that too

[dire anchor]

whats good about it? i never came across one yet

just looked it up, i want one now lol

[subtle bluff]

I'm not answering because I don't want to get your hopes up to waste your time doing it.

[thorny kernel]

I mean i just went through DUA on challenging with it and had a good time

Diesel took a bit but otherwise it was smooth

[subtle bluff]

Almost anything viable but that's doesn't mean it's good.

We can do heroic with only 2 HE items and the rest grey gear.

[thorny kernel]

What specialization do you use here?

[hexed steppe]

only if its added as a replacement for the ninja bag

[indigo fjord]

Technician

[hexed steppe]

if some of those armor are made skill tiers can add a really strong artificer on top the car door

[subtle bluff]

Yea.. It was for a friend and he wanted it simplest of builds.. idk.

[wary forge]

Its a good pfe build?

What u guys think! How can i improve this?! I normally dont play as tank role.. So im confused

[magic pilot]

You don't need chillout here

[subtle bluff]

This is one of many ways to build and play PFE. Chest and BP talents make and change the playstyle for this.

[magic pilot]

Run grupo, ceska or badger mask

[wary forge]

What u guys suggest?
Im dont know if tardigrade worth.. over vanguard.. or intimidate. Bp between galvinze or adrenalise..

[subtle bluff]

It depends how you want to play.

[magic pilot]

I think if you are going team support what you have is fine, vanguard isn't a bad option either

[hexed steppe]

simple would be striker dps. it shoulda been hardwire or all in on highend damage.. dollar store explosive setups arent great and never encouraged 🙅‍♂️ 🥷

[subtle bluff]

I never explain how to do PFE thing. It's very difficult style to play. Support tanking imo is great but there's many ways to do it. I only talk about this in a legendary content.
I've always wanted to make a guide for since it's as soo much around it. Maybe for the next season.

[wary forge]

Liberty with intimidate in a pfe deals some dmg?

[eternal shell]

What is the best skill damage build to put together? (turret/drone)

Refactor GS or HE assortment?

[hexed steppe]

for turret drone both he or refracture are pretty good. just finished out a leg capital with a couple refactor, so thats probably better in group. he is stronger but no benefit to team

[eternal shell]

Ty.

[runic gust]

Is Chameleon unusably bad or does it do alright compared to Ouroborus (or dark winter)

[solar sable]

It's hard to maintain chamaleon stacks for it to actually perform against oreo

[hasty sluice]

its not awful, but ouro and DW do out damage it. I do have a friend that enjoys using it simply due to how it looks vs the other 2

[cinder geyser]

I think if I posted my build I would get exiled from the shd

[runic gust]

Ouros talent just seems kinda bad to me tho

[hasty sluice]

it is

[runic gust]

Oh so its raw stats are what make it so good

[hasty sluice]

correct

[cinder geyser]

Scorpio + opportunistic is pretty good right

[hasty sluice]

yes

that tends to be one of the better "support" combos

you can also run lefty for the funny sledge hammer debuff

[runic gust]

Do they outdamage bc of their ROF or does the wiki lie

[hasty sluice]

that I dont know tbh

this sheet exists tho https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/12vzrBI53INNVcKx25ILuvwIgJDg2xUvOO_IA0uctlwE/htmlview?pli=1#

can somebody update me if dark winter still has higher base damage than the base .45?

havent kept up with any updates and such

[versed summit]

It’s now the same so it’s kinda mid

[hasty sluice]

😭

I guess the 9mm is better

[violet juniper]

Very niche

The RPM and reload speed is why people use Ouro

[runic gust]

Seems like you cant hit anything with it thoigh

[versed summit]

I mean it’s a short range weapon

Smg-9 is a better option though

[cinder geyser]

What's the best way to get a specific exotic? I've heard countdown is good?

[hasty sluice]

Countdown, summit, rnging the prio objectives.

ngl ive had more luck with summit than outdown for exotics tbh

since you can just farm a boss room

[cinder geyser]

Is summit easier for a smaller group

[hasty sluice]

summit is as easy as you want it to be

i tend to just run chall if I want a laid back run

[cinder geyser]

Is artificer any good for support?

[cinder geyser]

Sad, is survivalist still the best specialization? Wondering if demolitionist would be better for the sheer skill damage that mortar provides

[subtle bluff]

Best?

[subtle bluff]

Best in what?

[subtle bluff]

But you can get exo caches from the CD vendor..

[shy willow]

Theres no straight best specialisation

They all see a good bit of use

[subtle bluff]

I was surprise by the “still”

[shy willow]

Bit strange

[cinder geyser]

For a healing/support build

[cinder geyser]

I was told a while ago it's better for repair output

I don't quite get how specializations work

[subtle bluff]

There’s a lot of context was missing here with that question…

So Tech hand Survivalist are the best choices for healer.

Either do better at healing just buffing and supporting better.

[shy willow]

Survivalist is my personal choice but tech has more flexibility and faraday

[hexed steppe]

follow the pinned sheet over any wiki. its actively kept up to date

[hexed steppe]

same. healer always a support role, and survivalist fits that so much better.. especially when you add scorpio to proc status, and opportunistic... 3 amps right there, before figuring in fi buff

[cinder geyser]

Wait did I scrap my Lefty 💔

Isn't that really good as it has sledgehammer

[subtle bluff]

Left is BiS for FI healer

[hexed steppe]

good thing its 1 cd run to farm it. god rolled even with the worst rolls

[cinder geyser]

Hmm, I have a refactor set, is it still good for that

[subtle bluff]

Here’s my FI Guide go read it even it needs to fixed.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/234461-tom-clancys-the-division-2/faqs/81858/fi-healer-intro-tldr

[cinder geyser]

Is there a refactor build anywhere

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages.

[hexed steppe]

follow turret drone, plug in refactor 4pc

oh, is there actually a set build now?

[subtle bluff]

Idk if it’s set

Hybrid and non

[cinder geyser]

The striker drone?

Oh it's a build name

The Setup seems useful no matter what, is it dropped from a specific mission or should I just run backpack target loot

[subtle bluff]

Did you read the guide?

[cerulean smelt]

the ushina something? wolf head icon

[cinder geyser]

It doesn't play well with mobile

[hexed steppe]

this is a basic setup. can use glass chest, sacrifice, wyvern kinda w/e

[cinder geyser]

This one

[hexed steppe]

its easy to get, but harder to farm for the right rolls. usually need skilltier since its a support bag and fits medic and crowd control builds

[cerulean smelt]

nods i know i just don't recall the full name of it
as local said it's a rough farming the right attributes on it so you can change the armor core to skill tier

[subtle bluff]

Again you need off the bat you can just use normally

[cinder geyser]

Dumb question but why are your set gear have a blue bg

[hexed steppe]

color blind mode

[cinder geyser]

Ah cool

[hexed steppe]

it outlines radius of things like hives, traps, mortars in white making them easier to see

[cinder geyser]

So where would I get it from then?

[hexed steppe]

farm uzina in countdown. there are a lot of named item drops in cd. setup will be a few of them hopfully

[cinder geyser]

How do I farm a specific brand in cd?

[hexed steppe]

closer chest also ok so save and good ones you get with crit rolls. (also uzina)

[hexed steppe]

hover over countdown or summit in your map, hold h, pick the icon for the bag brand that matches the above screen shot

summit and countdown share the same target loot

[cinder geyser]

Oh so I can like, manually set the target loot brand?

[hexed steppe]

yup

can swap it any time, even mid mission from the map

[cinder geyser]

I'll try summit as I don't have enough people to run countdown I think

[hexed steppe]

stick with challenging if you use countdown. its the most active

[cerulean smelt]

can just matchmake challenging and follow the crowd you'll have more than enough pieces to filter through

[cinder geyser]

I tried, didn't get into a game after a while

Maybe Noone was on

It was late at night

[hexed steppe]

actually stick with challenging and higher for any farming, itll remove the purple items from the loot pool

[cerulean smelt]

like if you tried now you might get a few hits in

[cinder geyser]

Upside to countdown farming is the ost

[subtle bluff]

Am I talking to myself?
You do not need The Setup ASAP to run the build. Run any BP with the talent will work.
It’s name it’ll drop at some point don’t sweat not having it yet.

[cerulean smelt]

the voices interrupting you again? i hate when they do that (> <)

[subtle bluff]

Watching the fight.

[cinder geyser]

Yeah but I want the funny raccoon

Getting something like the Scorpio would probably be more important huh

My guns kinda suck

[subtle bluff]

You do know it’ll that much harder if you’re doing it on survivalist due need to reroll the blue core on The Setup.

[cinder geyser]

What?

Is it being blue guaranteed?

[cerulean smelt]

it's always blue cored

[subtle bluff]

The Setup comes with a Blue core ALWAYS.

[cinder geyser]

Ah

So I'd need to reconfigure?

[subtle bluff]

This is the reason I say in the guide and here DO not sweating it asap..

UGH

[hexed steppe]

"We do these things not because they are easy, but because they are hard"

[subtle bluff]

I can’t type tonight

[cinder geyser]

I'm not

[subtle bluff]

I hate you……

[cinder geyser]

Ok so Scorpio, can I set countdown to drop shotguns and pray?

[cerulean smelt]

sad thing i feel i heard that quote but don't know where from

[hasty sluice]

that is true....

[cinder geyser]

Really sacrificing my dignity by asking God's dumbest question

[hasty sluice]

what does refractor even do?

[cinder geyser]

Converts skill damage to healing to your allies

[hasty sluice]

oo

[cinder geyser]

Let's you do a more aggressive build I guess

[subtle bluff]

Throw in Priority Missions once in awhile it’s hard to beat just building your exo’s and exo comps at the same time..

[cinder geyser]

Exo?

[subtle bluff]

Exotica

[cinder geyser]

Ah

My watch keeps telling me there's a priority mission avaliable but I never see it on the map, is it part of the season stuff?

[hexed steppe]

well, it converts a portion of the actual damage skills inflict into healing . build dependent how much the % healing is for you and team

[hexed steppe]

put a thick boston accent to it and itll come to you 😉

[cinder geyser]

How do you increase it? I was told it was fixed

[hexed steppe]

chest ups percentage.

[runic gust]

does duration increase how long the emp lasts or does only skill duration do that

[hexed steppe]

gearset bags/chests extend the talents in different ways

[cinder geyser]

Tom Clancy himself is ensuring the chest doesn't drop for me

I have like 10 knee pads and 7 masks

[subtle bluff]

Not that much.

It should show you on the right there.

[runic gust]

yeah its like a second or two

[cerulean smelt]

just how long the sticky stays in game undetonated

[hexed steppe]

neither. they increase how long it stays stuck before you trigger it

[runic gust]

idk if thats like the

yeah that

well between that and skill haste on a Hardwire build lol

[hexed steppe]

always haste unless using oxi

[runic gust]

how does haste benefit me when the cooldown is always gonna be 5 seconds?

[hexed steppe]

use pfe then

[subtle bluff]

None when HW

Yea PFE instead for HW.

[runic gust]

thats what i was thinkin

[subtle bluff]

my HW is Skill Repair I use mine and heal hive.

[runic gust]

incoming repairs means i get healed more?

[shy willow]

Yes

[subtle bluff]

Then again I use my HW only in legendary

[runic gust]

can i do anything like this for guns too or?

[cerulean smelt]

only things you can't do is Yahl and System Corruption

[hexed steppe]

yeah, most brands/gear sets and all types

*cant

[runic gust]

and challenging or above?

[cinder geyser]

Does it work on refactor?

[hexed steppe]

yeah, challenging filters out the real shit rolls

[cinder geyser]

Since refactor heals a set amount

[runic gust]

if i matchmake it will it be giving me my targeted loot still?

[hexed steppe]

refactor is set iirc

[cinder geyser]

Yes

[hexed steppe]

yes

[runic gust]

W

[cinder geyser]

Ah so buffs don't work

[hexed steppe]

i dont think so, im not 100 tho and havent tested it myself

[cerulean smelt]

buffs as in talents? should like insync and what not

[hexed steppe]

no like repair skills

[cinder geyser]

I mean like repair skill or incoming repair

[hexed steppe]

something like armor on kill will stack on top tho

but just for yourself

[cerulean smelt]

i'd imagine it would but still not sure by how much or how

[cinder geyser]

Hmmm, maybe I should run skill damage instead of repai skill

Waiter Waiter more repair skill!

[hexed steppe]

yeah, build for damage. thats how you increase the healing anyways

[cinder geyser]

They also can't deal damage to friendlies if they're dead

Is the attack turret better than the attack hive for this constant damage?

[cerulean smelt]

assault drone and probably turret if you can place the turret right

[cinder geyser]

I love my assault drone

[subtle bluff]

Idk what going but Skill Repair doesn't effect refactor heal.

[cinder geyser]

tragic

[shy willow]

It's based solely off of your skill damage

[cinder geyser]

Hmmm, I just realized I dont like refactor

[fresh fox]

yes you should be full skill damage with refactor

its full skill damage with heals on the side

[fading marsh]

sighs I'm not sure why i can't understand how to get stronger...

[hexed steppe]

like, tanking more damage, or maximizing damage output?

usually a fairly easy answer either way

[fading marsh]

Well I like to play as a support, middle of the ground and i'm not sure what to do to incrase my style...let me show ya what i have right now

[hexed steppe]

ok

[hexed steppe]

step 1 , only need 4 of a gearset, then 2 highend or exotic/highend

i would suggest changing chest for general use

ceska chest with obliterate talent

[fading marsh]

something like that?

[hexed steppe]

step 2, farm out/or recalibrate remaining gear pieces to have crit chance/crit damage rolls

[fading marsh]

i see my damage just went up a little bit

[hexed steppe]

well, no. thats a good chest on a sniper build, but not strong on a crit based dps setup like striker

save it for a build with hotshot pieces

[fading marsh]

so i should farm for a better chest?

[hexed steppe]

the chain killer piece is designed to chain headshots from mmr/rifle/pistol, damage upwards of 28-30mil average top end singe shots

let me show my striker setup and itll give a better idea

[fading marsh]

thank you, i love this game but trying to understand all this info is overloading me...

[hexed steppe]

yeah its a bit much at first.

this is using glass cannon, but being new youll want to use obliterate chest taleng. it gives good damage but doesnt cause you to take extra damage like glass does

[fading marsh]

i been playing on and off from launch, reminds me of the gear building when 4.0 hit of star wars....made my head pound as i tryed to understand how to make gear...twist numbers...and all that

[hexed steppe]

an these are my crit stats found on stats screen

if you play in group a lot there is another type of dps setup that will give your teamates bleed ammo that amps their damage by 20%. its a really solid dps as well. i can see my carnage lmg hitting aroun 900k-1.4mil crits depending on team and modifiers .
ongoing directive

[fading marsh]

sadly i raily get to run with anyone else due to my dps is so low.. 😦

[hexed steppe]

we'll fix that in short order

if you notice on your build all lthe blue attributes, that ultimately is whats keeping your damage low. crits are a lot higher damage , so if your crit hit chance is close to 50ish and everything else is crit hit damage, youll see a big spike in damage output

[fading marsh]

ahh, i see

[hexed steppe]

any dps will be the same strategy, the crit chance caps at 60 so its important not to go over that.

[fading marsh]

so in other words, i need to swap things around for crit to bring it around 50-60

[hexed steppe]

yup. youll be a bit short until your watch fills in those categories. i would suggest crit chance focus first, then crit damage. by shd 500ish youll have those benefits maxed and builds become easier

[fading marsh]

so i been over thinking all this years, its not the gear but the stats tied

[hexed steppe]

youll also use pieces like ceska and grupo brands on a lot of different dps setups so that part gets easier as well when putting together new stuff

[hexed steppe]

alot of it, yeah

[fading marsh]

is there a page or something hout there that can tell me where to get what i need and all that?

[hexed steppe]

there is a pinned spreadsheet that has guides that break down the particulard of a build. its pinned in this channel

generally countdown is the main gear farm because you can select your target loot at anytime , even mid mission

[fading marsh]

ehmmm

[hexed steppe]

this is the sheet, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

this is the build guide specifically for strikers
https://docs.google.com/document/d/16HdKj8x-LlXJCcVPAWNZWIb0SXcQOmAfAh1cHYYsxwI/edit?tab=t.0

maintained by the community so usually one of the most up to date sources

[fading marsh]

thank you so much for helping me

[hexed steppe]

no worries, we were all here at one point

[cerulean smelt]

i feel local logged in first time was just a legendary god anyways (> <)

[hexed steppe]

got me. taught the average player everything he knows about legs...😂

-# he just doesnt know it

[cerulean smelt]

funny thing, i was going to mention averageplayer too but was like nah, let them sleep

[cinder geyser]

What do the colors mean on the builds page

[cerulean smelt]

what colors you referring to?

[cerulean smelt]

oh red is weapon damage cores
yellow skill tier
blue armor core

[cinder geyser]

ah

[cerulean smelt]

basicallly the builds are geared in those colors so to speak

[cinder geyser]

Yeah makes sense

I gotta say the most important thing when running support doesnt seem to be my repair skill, but my allies general spacial awareness

[cerulean smelt]

nods you get players like me who gets cocky and goes down a lot makes you busy ;p

[cerulean smelt]

you can optimize all attributes even if you recalibrate

but you can only optimize upto what you have in your library

maybe because you have nothing in your library to swap to

[magic rapids]

Any sniper focused build you can recommend?

[solar sable]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j4Km15oZKIc1Hym0y-G2nMMYDH6mqRgLiumI68E724E/edit?tab=t.0

[night phoenix]

How do I make my main agent more "tanky" like my 2nd agent?
Feels like my main agent is losing armor in a few shots vs my 2nd agent I can stay in a fight much longer.

My main I haven't touched since pre-WONY but the 2nd agent I made somewhat recently.
I know neither character have any actual "builds" but I'm not sure what is exactly different between the 2 of them that makes it such a drastic difference in fights.
Is it just the gear?
(First is my main, 2nd is my 2nd)

[magic rapids]

If you dont mind me asking why not use the exotic that gives behind cover bonus?

[solar sable]

which one?

[magic rapids]

Sawyers kneepads

[solar sable]

idk much about those

sharpshooter also gives you armor on cover

[subtle bluff]

What's the question?

[magic rapids]

Why not use sawyer's kneepads
Is it bad

Iam going to follow the guide and not use it
But just wanted to know why

[subtle bluff]

For PvE for the end game you normally want to kill fast before you get overwhelmed.

[subtle bluff]

It's situational good. Generally staying one spot too long is dangerous.

[night phoenix]

Yea hence why I'm asking for help

[cerulean smelt]

nods you tend to get bombarded by grenades or drones or even them suicide guys

some missions say like capital you try and stay in one spot you get mortared to death

[subtle bluff]

There a bunch of build/guides in the 📌 Pinned Messages. Take a look there.

[cerulean smelt]

you 2 you have seems to be all jumbled "oh hey this piece looks neat! i'll put it on"

[night phoenix]

Doesn't help with what I'm asking for, though

[subtle bluff]

.......

[cerulean smelt]

so you'd rather read our chat over going to a spreadsheet full of builds that might help you in the long run?

[subtle bluff]

Thanks.

[night phoenix]

Yea because, again, I'm trying to understand better myself and I want help on what the major differences are between the 2 builds.

[cerulean smelt]

plus your first picture the knees halves your damage 50/50

[night phoenix]

Because I have a build made already (that wasn't shown in the screenshot for the alt character, based on the guides.)

[cerulean smelt]

this would be a build

[subtle bluff]

Idk they're both bad builds.

[solar sable]

Having random pieces of gear you get by leveling don't make a build

[night phoenix]

....

[cerulean smelt]

ok, i feel sabo is trolling us in general

[night phoenix]

Brother, please, read. I said I have a build made.

Aye, feeling the same towards y'all.

[subtle bluff]

Anything can be viable but doesn't mean it good.

[cerulean smelt]

you've asked us for help, you've been directed to a spot where you can get a proper build going and it's too much so you sit here and read out texts tryign to help you

[night phoenix]

I'm just going to go back to Striker ASC-12

[cerulean smelt]

now that's a proper build

[subtle bluff]

If you're having issues with gameplay then you've hit wall due to either skill or build.

[night phoenix]

Yes, which I stated I already had made on my 2nd character?

[cerulean smelt]

nothing about a striker
you 2 pictures shows you just put random stuff on because the brand bonus sounds cool to you

and both pictures shows you've nerfed yourself to the ground

first picture you have this on
it drops your damage to 50% which is bugged atm since even 1 on 1 you're stuck at 50% damage currently and doesn't seem like anyone told them since it's not in the trello board

the 2nd the backpack seems nice but you're missing a backpack talent that'd boost your damage