td2-build-advice

[fresh fox]

no

literally capacitor

i doubt it will

it will probably only increase with mods and ST's

[cerulean smelt]

same here, but you never know might end up being like the striker/crusader shield utilizing skill damage with insync for awhile until they patch it

[hexed steppe]

Red striker cap is double the raw weapon danage as a yellow striker cap setup

[fresh fox]

st6 smart cover is 45% dttoc

[hexed steppe]

Seriously

[fresh fox]

yes

[hexed steppe]

I need to catch a video

[fresh fox]

rogue gold said it

[shy willow]

Smart cover gives dttooc wtf

[fresh fox]

it barely beats a lexington with no talent

by like 3%

[bold leaf]

10% at base yeah

[hexed steppe]

That's a gamechanger..

[fresh fox]

yea its crazy

[hexed steppe]

Oxi striker builds ftw

[cerulean smelt]

i would've assumed assult drone + smart cover

[hexed steppe]

Oxi can utilise the dttooc

[fresh fox]

as long as you have smart cover you can run whatever

[cerulean smelt]

but yeah, oxi would be much better

so 4 strikers, fox's, contractors, capacitor, smart cover and oxi? 🤔

[bold leaf]

It's a sticky bomb variant right?

[hexed steppe]

Ok there gonna be a slew of builds coming out for this then

[hexed steppe]

Chem

[fresh fox]

no its a sticky

[cerulean smelt]

it acts like it as you aim and it hits your cover and applies itself
in div 1 you can double tap the skill and you'd just add it to yoru cover you're behind

[fresh fox]

its not a variant but its aims like a sticky and can drop like a chem

[hexed steppe]

I missed something

[fresh fox]

it acts as both

[hexed steppe]

So smart cover is a sticky variant

[bold leaf]

I was wondering how it would work solo behind cover, for example. i.e. you're not firing it at someone else's cover, you're just buffing yourself

Sticky the floor??

[fresh fox]

its it own thing but basically

[fresh fox]

you can double tap to drop it

you shoot a circle that empowers anyone attached to cover in range of your circle

[cerulean smelt]

might be an animation like in div 1 where our agent just slaps something on our cover

[fresh fox]

basically

but its effectively just dropping it on the ground

it attaches it to whatever cover you are on

[hexed steppe]

Gonna go make myself not stupid for a bit.

[fresh fox]

if they want to be smart they could make it so when you are out of cover you can insta use it like a sticky

but when in cover you drop it on you

[bold leaf]

Ah ok, that's much better than what I thought

[fresh fox]

itll be very good if you can make it work

the 45 dttoc is effectively a 40% increase since its additive with your weapon 3rd

[subtle bluff]

IDK what happened here but everything died.

[fresh fox]

i just set the dttoc value to +45% in a dps sheet for that

[cerulean smelt]

and?

[fresh fox]

=S

[cerulean smelt]

good numbers?
bad numbers?
still unknown?

i would be curious what those numbers will be like 🤔

[fresh fox]

read challenge superfail

[hexed steppe]

bigger boost than perfect glass it appears

[cerulean smelt]

so glass cannon going to cease to exist in builds?

[hexed steppe]

no. you stack with

just like currently with dttooc , dta , amps

[cerulean smelt]

so techinically we can probably use determined with smartcover and glass cannon and keep popping heads without needing chainkiller?

[hexed steppe]

especially if its gonna be a skill/dps hybrid type, glass is the only real option

[fresh fox]

and why would you do that

when you can just use hh and not take more damage

[cerulean smelt]

i got potato aim XD

[fresh fox]

its the same amount of aiming

[cerulean smelt]

lol XD

still will be curious how things will pan out once it's released

could see a lot of hybrid support builds coming out of the word works with smartcover as the main skill

[fresh fox]

itll be op if they keep it like this so i think they will tune it down

[cerulean smelt]

guess it'll depend if they give us a PTS between the 6th and 27th

[bold leaf]

Hope so. Be interested to know what the overcharged dttooc looks like

[onyx sage]

you can simulate it by perfect sledging an armored enemy

[fresh fox]

twice

[peak moss]

Just got the centurions scabbard holster, rerolled it multiple times and just keep getting weapon handling and crit chance on the same slots

Are they fixed attributes or am I just unlucky

[fresh fox]

fixed attributes

i think only the acostas knee pads are not fixed?

[karmic osprey]

ill check that when i can get into the game i have them

[fresh fox]

don’t bother they are not the greatest

[vague root]

Yet again here with dumb questions: If i'm at 2 yellow cores, should i run Mechanical Animal or Capacitor for striker drone?

[fresh fox]

id still run capacitor

[versed summit]

yeah cap is more DPS and more consistent buff for Drone/turret

[white pollen]

How do we feel about Umbra? 😏

[subtle bluff]

It's alright. Good in PvP PvE it's can be a mix bag due how you have to keep it's talent up.

[vocal flax]

Any suggestions on what to improve in my builds?

[subtle bluff]

Need more context about these and what you want to improve on.

[vocal flax]

Well the first build, I made it to kind of see how does the exodus gloves work and if it can be used outside PvE and the Second one is a shotgun build i made for pvp

[subtle bluff]

Just gonna point you to the Pinned Messages

[chrome remnant]

a weird question but is there an alternate for the ACS-12 in the Strikers build?

[subtle bluff]

As in you don't want to use it?

[chrome remnant]

kind of yes, I am not really fan of the archetype

I am running St. Elmo's and a MPX but that was almost a year ago during the time when the guide from the spreadsheet was for Y5S2

I am up for changing builds if there is something better suited for a solo player.

[subtle bluff]

Ya, of course you don't need to use ACS12 it's just the best opition for getting to your max DPS.
Using an SMG is fine. I use a SMG9 on my Strikers for general PvE. Just make sure you're using it for a reason that isn't the same as your AR if that makes sense.

[solar hatch]

Can any one recommend a build for the chameleon and MR equipped?

[dreamy grotto]

idk, i use chameleon and vector 9 mm - and vector stacking fast - ofc not as acs, but benefit is that i have 2nd reliable weapon)

[glossy quarry]

which gadgets combo do u recommend for versatile solo play ?

[subtle bluff]

Depends on the build and your playstyle.

[dreamy grotto]

you can easeally switch loadouts on the go - so most players will say its worthless.

BUT - i toyed with a versatile concept of a skill dps build hybrid

again, most of the players will say you that its a crap build, coz its non optimised for some task, but it nets preety well rounded gameplay

• Tech spec for +1 skilltier
• ninjabike backpack
• 3 pcs striker (heartbreaker can also work)
• picaros holster
• ceska\grupo\walker\fenris chest with obliterate (for gun) or with kinetic momentum (for skills)
• capacitor

This build have 6 skill tiers, and sudo 4 reds - that translates into a 7 reds for capacitor, near 48 chc and 123 chd
My non optimised variant of this build in testing range can deal near 4-5 mil dps without any skills

you can use with it some skill combos (not all)

• turret\drone - turret will do near 1 mil dps, and drone 0.5 mil
• booster hive + chem launcher - you will have faster reloads - so better sustain dps + ability to immobilize enemies
• artificer hive + shield or defender drone - you can be a techtank (sort of)
• with kinetic momentum - healer hive + healer chem - to do some support work if needed

[subtle bluff]

Capacitor only give 7.5 WD per skill tier and not a full red.

1mill dps isn't right... There's a lot of misinformation here...

[dreamy grotto]

so 2 skill tiers = 15% weapon damage = 1 red, this build have 6 yellow, 3 red and picaro, so its basically 6 red + picaro

[subtle bluff]

And my healing Chem does 21mill.

[subtle bluff]

I don't know what you're trying to share. You're doing a hybrid build with some mix of recore gear to get to 6 Skill tier with NBB.
The range doesn't calculate DPS correctly. You can either use a tool to math it out correctly. But 4-5 mill DPS either way is very low.

[dreamy grotto]

look, i know that there is nbb hatred in the community, and ppl like to optimize everything in some task
the question was for versatile gameplay inside of one build (as i understanded)

i played with this loadout a lot - it feels itself preety good at heroic dif - and at countdown/summit

if you dislike it - i get it, thanks for your opinion)

[subtle bluff]

In my post, I never said anything about hating NBB or your build (even tho I don't know what your build is even.)
I just have an issue with misinformation being spread.

We has a community dislike NBB because people think it's really good when it's not. Can it make some build work and do some things yes. There are a lot of viable build, but that doesn't make them good for everyone or themselves.

[thick wren]

Does the new Exodus Gloves actually are making the Chameleon talent usable all the time in the fight, just seen the explanation on YT, its gonna be a crazy high DMG in a solo/group playstyle

[patent fossil]

Lot of work to keep on top of it though

[dreamy grotto]

no, its just not subject for minmaxing

if we look from specialist build standpoint, for example dps build - using nbb you sacrifice damage to get some utility of sort - you just need to justify for yourself - does you need that utility and does it worth it?
in that term nbb is really good

if building for you is all about "can i deal more damage with it" - then i have nothing to say, other than just - let other have their fun

[bright raptor]

"respect my build", here we go again

[subtle bluff]

I feel like I repeat myself a lot here sometimes...

[shy willow]

Its not even about damage like NBB just isn't good

You could even take something like bloodsucker or ad rush and it'd be better

[subtle bluff]

I have builds that do things that a lot of people understand due to the playstyle, it needs to work. Let me know if NBB can face tank a 4man leggo Chunga, and still kill it on my own is a timely matter. No cheese on ammo belt.
NBB is a poorman version of a build.

[shy willow]

In terms of versatility ironically memento is better in every way

[dreamy grotto]

i forgot that everyone play on legendary, sorry

oh wait

[manic lantern]

best backpack talents if vigilance got deleted( because i know you would say vigilance right away )

[shy willow]

Depends on build

[manic lantern]

1- universal
2 - dps
3 - tanky

okey, scrap tanky, already know taht adrenalin reigns supreme

[shy willow]

There's not really a universal best

Unstoppable force likely the runner up to vigi on general dps

[bright raptor]

adrenaline rush with the re-buffed Intimidate isn't bad but doesn't work outside CQB for obvious reasons

[vestal ibex]

You'll never be able to explain to someone that this is actually a game of numbers and taking the higher set of numbers typically results in a better build regardless of goal with said build. NBB unlocking 1-2 more brand bonuses just falls flat for 90% of the brand sets because they lack synergy and the fact of not taking 5 separate brands you are just not gonna make up for the talent loss on the backpack. At this point it's like how the 1/3 lb burger failed because people thought 1/4 lb was bigger, man I'm hungry.

[dreamy grotto]

i aknowledge minmaxing - its needed for specific task - i dont advice bring non optimal builds for the raid, for example
but if we take general heroic content - you can do goofy stuff and it will still work

take for example - i have tip of the spear build focused on a flamethrower

• does it do HIGH amount of dps? - hell no
• do i take it to content, which require BIG dps numbers (countdown, raids or legendary) - no
• does its fun to run and just burn enemies - yes

[vestal ibex]

I use grey gear to do heroic stuff so by this logic grey gear=NBB.

[dreamy grotto]

if you have fun doing so - why not

[vestal ibex]

So heroic is so easy you can use bad gear.

[shy willow]

You can run whatever you want solo but when you run in groups that's when it becomes an issue

[vestal ibex]

Fun is the goal.

[vestal ibex]

Eh I don't care what most people run anymore, if I LFG with a requirement sure but in game MM I expect to carry anymore.

[shy willow]

Mfw I get people running HF in the incursion

[simple breach]

Exactly this.

[hazy steeple]

Dark Winter though. Think about it.

[shy willow]

Anything that relies on kills in the incursion doesn't tend to be very good

A lot of it is just boss burns

[dreamy grotto]

for some extent, i personaly think "what my goofy build can bring to the table of party play"

for example flamethrower build utilizes tardigrade with 0 cooldown (remember all my kills are special weapon one) - so team allowed to be less experienced, or make more mistakes

or nbb hybrid, can cc stuff, and bring some damage, but also not be boring afk turret drone build

[shy willow]

If you wanna set stuff on fire id suggest eclipse

[hazy steeple]

If your only choices of build are "tardigrade" and "turret/drone dps", you are going to take a long time to finish anything.

[shy willow]

Does respectable damage and crowd controls to an extent

[patent fossil]

If you have fun running something weaker, that's all good, but when you start recommending it to others then you'll get pushback, everyone's idea of fun is different and it's not really a quantifiable stat

[shy willow]

Alternatively you can foam which is also excellent

[dreamy grotto]

i have both cc setup and fire damage setup (eclipse and high end) - and find its more boring than using flamethrower

[vestal ibex]

Everyones fun is different and we have to note that too. Some people have a strange sense of fun tho.

[shy willow]

Big issue with spec weapons is ammo scarcity

[dreamy grotto]

thats the neat part - tip of the spear allow you to play with flamethrower - coz you dont need to spend all ammo - just set stuff on fire
in general - its enough ammo (with backpack)

[hazy steeple]

What difficulty is this?

Flamethrowers on Heroic won't.....do a whole lot.

[shy willow]

Funnily enough I tried a tots build with tardigrade

It wasn't very good

The only spec weapons that really see any use are the tac 50 and crossbow

[dreamy grotto]

heroic

easier difficulties is harder, coz stuff dont set itself on fire - and you just spend all your ammo trying to kill someone
but on heroic - you do 1-2 sec burst and target is on fire - and you can do stuff
so its like 4-5 ammo per burst

[cerulean smelt]

neat trick if you're using tip with NBB and using Tip backpack?

[hazy steeple]

The crossbow is a funny one, it's usefulness is probably the highest out of any of the Spec Weapons, outside of the tac50 for weird stacking stuff.
basically: you can use it to remove the chest plate of heavies. Making their health bar basically gone with a few shots.

[shy willow]

Crossbow goated

I wonder if you can still cheese bichon with it

[hazy steeple]

It's at the point now where I use it on any build that doesn't need specific Spec Tree bonuses.

[vestal ibex]

100% they aren't gonna fix that.

[cerulean smelt]

only time i use Spec weapons is if i'm forced to, like one of last seasons jouneys i think it was?

[vestal ibex]

They'd have to change the entire way the encounter works or how crossbow works. One of the two.

[hazy steeple]

lostsoul' hasn't discovered the wonder of GB with the minigun yet, give them time.

[dreamy grotto]

you misread about separate builds
the whole conversation started with some guy who asked - "how can i make build with different skills usable"
and i suggested a nbb capacitor build

then there was some rumble about minmaxing

tots flamethrower build is different, you use 4 tots with backpack, and tardi if want tankiness, or vile if want some more damage

i tried chest without backpack - and found its not enough ammo to use it like that

[cerulean smelt]

GB?

[hazy steeple]

Great Britain.

[vestal ibex]

Cheesy boolets

[hazy steeple]

It's when you steam roll a country into accepting you as their leader, by activating the Golden Bullet GE.

This would be funnier if that one british user was still around.

[cerulean smelt]

but you also mentioned before using tips on heroic for setting people on fire was a TIP + NBB build as well, so that's why i commented it's a neat trick you have using NBB and TIP backpack together

[shy willow]

Generally builds have certain skills in mind

[dreamy grotto]

i dont think i did, but if so, sorry coz im not native speaker, my english might be too bad

i tried nbb with tots without backpack, tho - but ammo is an issue)

[vestal ibex]

Rate my build guys.

[dreamy grotto]

i think you need to change weapon damage cores to skill ones

[honest moss]

9/10, needs another grey and rugged gauntlets

[shy willow]

7/10, YouTube approved, would run

[honest moss]

Would recommend sacrum imperium too. Craaazy dps on that thing.. the talent is broken

[vestal ibex]

I need to roll CHC across that build and it'll probably work much better.

I also used a shiddy elmo and will probably put in a better one next time.

[cerulean smelt]

i feel we need more satire div 2 build videos. loved that one guys breakdown had me rolling

[honest moss]

In all seriousness though, i get what flockwood is saying to a degree. Sometimes playing a game about builds is about making something goofy. Othertimes you need your real stuff. Mixing both can work but as long as you know it will be worse you can gauge it realistically.

[vestal ibex]

I think in a build advice channel you try to send people to the top.

[hazy steeple]

That part was not in doubt, the bit that people have an issue with is that they're trying to put a duct-tape build as "good".

As a personal fan of duct-tape builds: don't subject other people to them.

[dreamy grotto]

glad at least someone got it)

[honest moss]

Oh i see, i joined late. But all the same. Hey at least the people in here give good advice. Never once just been told to shut up. Always something of use to learn!

[vestal ibex]

If you come in here going "Mr. Buildman give me a dumb build" I'm there with you, honestly if most people said their goal things would go 10000% better.

[dreamy grotto]

but thats the fun part
some guy came in chat asking for a build, that can utilize different skills alltogether
i made a suggestion, stating, that its not optimal, it wont do best dps, etc, etc

and still some guy after that came, and started a rumble about that build surviving legendary

[hazy steeple]

It's generally understood that the endgame of div2 is Heroic, maybe the Incursion/Raid at a stretch.
I honestly don't know many players that bother going for Legendary after they have what they need from there, especially since it's limited to specific areas.

[dreamy grotto]

legendary shutting down many fun builds, imo

[hazy steeple]

Are you having a conversaiton with someone who isn't here?

[vestal ibex]

Was here, maybe sleeping now?

[hazy steeple]

Is this what trying to make Tardigrade useful does to you?

[honest moss]

That reminds me... anyone got info on a pvp healer build? Mainly how many blues (if any) do i build? Guessing it's ball+chem, ER and F.I but i haven't had a pvp heal build in a few seasons.

[magic pilot]

Old.danny

[magic pilot]

I have 2 that i use

First: technician, capacitor/kard custom, 3 Fi, ninja, foundary, brazos chest with emphatic

Second: technician, capacitor/kard 2 palisade, foundary, brazos, gila, and ninja.

Second one is 1.8m armor with 6 tiers (while Kard is out)

First build is 1.3-1.5m armor depending on if you build to use Kard

[honest moss]

Much appreciated, thanks!!

[honest moss]

Minor rolls, repair and haste?

[twilit horizon]

I need help making a solid skill build. I constantly get shredded when using them. Any tips or advice? Have some solid dps/armor builds already. Pics for attention

[cerulean smelt]

be best to describe if this is PVE or PVP, from waht i see seems PVP?

errr, wait you're posting pictures for 2 builds, first one looks like PVP build? the second PVE?

[magic pilot]

Yep

[twilit horizon]

Kinda both but more so PVE, those builds I use for more pve. The 100 hazard pro backfire build I swap the chest out for henri and run ceska holster on the pvp version and on the striker I swap Elmo’s for EB.

[honest moss]

Ty ty!

[cerulean smelt]

that's probably your problem. you're trying to use 2 builds for 2 different things
personally you should create a pve build, then farm up a second set of the build and make it focus on pvp

[twilit horizon]

Probably, the dps/armor builds are more interchangeable I guess and I’d need sustain skill damage for PvP vs Burst damage. Like I wouldn’t use my bighorn build in pve. Any suggestions on how to build a heavy skill damage pve build then?

[cerulean smelt]

skill builds are in the pins in the upper right hand corner for pve far as i could see

[twilit horizon]

Ah, I’m on the mobile app version. I’ll have to figure that out

[cerulean smelt]

i did this on my phone, i clicked on the channel name and saw a few things one of them being Pins

[twilit horizon]

Appreciate you boss

[cerulean smelt]

probably depending on screensize will be rough finding the tabs and looking at the build as a whole

[violet juniper]

Basic ass striker build for incursion

[fresh fox]

thumbs up

[fair ether]

only thing I would change is put an acs-12 on there instead of the vector

[magic pilot]

lefty

[violet juniper]

ACS12 with Brazen is what I'm using

[magic pilot]

I'd go lefty tbh. For wright you don't stack when you can do dmg

And on lovers it helps the healer focus on other parts of their role

Also usually I'd run BK gloves so need to nade or melee anyway

[violet juniper]

i was planning on using bloody knuckles or Cent scabbard, but I just can't be assed to deal with the crit crybabies

basic means I can do the incursion until I get ouro then never touch it or the build again

[magic pilot]

I'd still run BK on hsd

Scabbard doesn't exist to me

[violet juniper]

Scabbard is awesome

free 20% ROF and WD that can be refreshed by swapping weapon is a great buff

[magic pilot]

I don't like the gimmicky shit

Let me explode heads and keep it simple yk

[violet juniper]

but you use bloody knuckles?

that's hypocrisy lmao

[magic pilot]

1 grenade throw does not equal swapping weapons every 20s in my mind

[violet juniper]

oh no, I have to swap my weapon

[magic pilot]

I use BK in one situation as well

[cerulean smelt]

nods grem likes centurion holster and vigil backpack

[violet juniper]

I hate vigil backpack

[magic pilot]

I'm not saying it's bad

[cerulean smelt]

facepalms

[violet juniper]

ok talent, awful brand

[magic pilot]

I just don't use it

There's one guy who uses it in speeds

[violet juniper]

I tentatively suggest you give it a try, it's very fun

[magic pilot]

Literally a single person

Eh, can't run it on HHF so

[violet juniper]

fair poijt

[cerulean smelt]

i did try it with 4 virtuoso pestilence. can't do it

[violet juniper]

I run it on my high end build with bighorn and a vector lol

Pestilence is also awful with virtuoso

[cerulean smelt]

dunno, 1 million tick damage is kind of fun for me XD

[violet juniper]

Yeah, Pesti is great

Virtuoso is not 💀

not saying I don't love virtuoso, but it works best with rifles imo

[cerulean smelt]

isn't rifles for the Breaking point gear set?

[violet juniper]

works best

just my opinion.

[magic pilot]

Low

3 lengmo is 1.5m

[rain kite]

🫏

[violet juniper]

?

[rain kite]

Donke

[prime elbow]

Is this enough armor?

[tulip charm]

well just dont die

[magic pilot]

Fenris with no AR nice

[cerulean smelt]

good catch, i thought exotic was everyone's favorite Elmo

[magic pilot]

I mean technically it is an AR lol

[manic lantern]

What with lengmo set, its damn cursed. I spend whole day farming it and I didn`t even got a single double crit

[dreamy valve]

Using a shield with Ravenous too

[tame crane]

Spent 3 days to get one usable item, get used to that.

[worn mango]

Y'all discussed that new Tinkerer mask yet?

[cerulean smelt]

somewhat, i didn't think of any combinations until i read a few and i'm like hmmmm

[manic lantern]

cant wait to get it. I mostly never use second gun, so it might finely be of some use! hhahaha

[cerulean smelt]

that's my thought too

[worn mango]

Right? I'm just thinking with builds that at least have two of the same, something like shotgun PFE, of course Hotshot. I don't think it'll apply to stacking builds like Striker or HB but I guess there's weirder things

Maybe OD but what can pair with Sadist?

I mean I guess anything that can increase damage, reload speed, etc.

[manic lantern]

what about determined and that talent that increase damage with range

[cerulean smelt]

pressure point

[manic lantern]

ooo

[worn mango]

What's that one?

[manic lantern]

pressure point+sadist should be nasty

[cerulean smelt]

right? like the talent has some use finally!

status effect you get damage

[worn mango]

Oh jeez lol

Sulf fulfilling loop lol And I'm pretty sure OD just used Coyote so max out your crit through other means but get nastier through weapons

[manic lantern]

vektor with those two and ridgeway

[worn mango]

What this also does is get people away from Lexi which is an interesting balance change

[cerulean smelt]

eh? someone mentioned sadist + vindictive

[manic lantern]

As someone who missed lexi, yup, im totally not salty

which is dobule funny because i have THIS

[worn mango]

Now you can also use sledgehammer proc on your main gun without swapping

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i'm an idiot thinking lexington with strained and killer. was reminded named weapon don't apply and i was like uh yeah....

[manic lantern]

Im not sure it gonna work 😅

[worn mango]

lol

Vindictive would be such overkill but also so damn good

You'd only need 45% crit chance to then max it

Which in turn gives so much more CHD

[manic lantern]

What about strained+killer ?

[worn mango]

Oh wait Ranger/Determined is gg

2% amp for every 5m lol

[manic lantern]

hm, guns with really crappy control?

[cerulean smelt]

i was thinking Determined behind your MMR

[worn mango]

Pummel/Killer could also be interesting

I really think there's gonna be some crazy combos. Whoever cooked up that mask is a dawg

[rigid granite]

Need to do incursion. What build id good for it. Haven’t run it yet

[worn mango]

You'll either be a healer or a DPS so Striker DPS or FI Healer. Both of which are in the doc

[manic lantern]

oh wait!

preservation can also be used to give you sustain

Pummel+Brazen, hmm also, hmmm

[cerulean smelt]

no clue, but i know they definitely had a set in div 1 that did this similar thing but also do a mechanic like true patriot with the red, yellow, blue but for div 1 ultimates

[worn mango]

That's cool

I think they're trying to harken back to stuff that was in that game without fully regurgitating

[manic lantern]

Wait

[worn mango]

Hold up

[manic lantern]

skill builds with

at same time

[worn mango]

I was thinking that, people that flip flop between guns in scenarios

Now no more lol

[manic lantern]

lets not forgot

[worn mango]

I guess is there a world where in Strikers do you use two AR's, one that's incredibly fast firing with big mag through talents

[cerulean smelt]

well, in div 1 you can still flip flop with the set on but the talents would still transfer

[worn mango]

See I never played D1 so I have no idea what went on in there

[manic lantern]

I had only one build in div1, striker+lvoac

did not need anything else

outside of my battle buddy ammo box, eh I miss my support tation, damn black tust stole it from us

[cerulean smelt]

here i was hoping the ne skill would've been this

[worn mango]

So is this going in next week? I thought Y7 was going to be when DLC dropped

[cerulean smelt]

but this smart cover is going to be awesome!

[manic lantern]

I doubt it gonna be before this ends

[cerulean smelt]

we got preloaded PTS today, they're streaming PTS tomorrow, DLC releases may 27th

[worn mango]

That's what I thought. I was just reading that the preload will be live but I guess that means nothing

Ah preload was PTS, got it

[cerulean smelt]

nah, this weekend we can play PTS, but probably not brooklyn and stuff from brooklyn

[manic lantern]

btw

what is best for blue striker right now. cayote-catharsis-exodus?

[cerulean smelt]

catharsis is only blue exotic there, but i'd say exodus would be good there as well

[hazy steeple]

I wouldn't recommend putting on any item you pick up called "Cayoto", it will 100% delete your account.

[cerulean smelt]

think they meant to type out Dogface

[onyx sage]

i love my cayoto

[worn mango]

Brazen+Pummel PFE might be silly

[manic lantern]

no, i meant Cathelmet

[cerulean smelt]

was that the joke exotic for it?

[onyx sage]

nah

[hazy steeple]

The joke Exotics were all a pun on the names.
e.g. Ravenous was Satiated.

Catharsis would've been "Anxiety", if it had one.

[cerulean smelt]

i didn't get to collect them all so i wasn't sure if there were any made for all of them or particular one

[manic lantern]

I would totally dig Anxiety as a non joke exotic, haha

[hazy steeple]

I think we have enough of that without having to equip it too.

[manic lantern]

imagine if it was like perfect glass cannon but on face

or like increase damge or crit damage but have a chance to set yourself on fire

[hazy steeple]

I think that's just called "playing against the Outcasts" lol.

[manic lantern]

well, have has backfire " i hate myself " gun, would be fun to have armor exotic to use with it for double pain

[hazy steeple]

You need Bleed-Res for Backfire, or that weird thing people do with it now that they just take the bleed for some reason.

[manic lantern]

WAIT

we will get brand set that gives you aggro?!

[onyx sage]

yeah

[hazy steeple]

Are they changing the way enemies aggro?

If they aren't, I'd be a little ware about any build focused around it.

[onyx sage]

would have to test

but the sign that they're trying more direct approaches to threat at least shows me they're... trying

instead of whatever mosquito is doing

[hazy steeple]

Buzzing around enemies and annoying them but not really killing them unless it's over a long period of time.
Wait, is that why it's called the Mosquito?

Honestly: well done.

[subtle bluff]

We know there's a threat table somewhere. How it is affected is everywhere. How much DPS someone is doing, proximity, and a few other things.
I was trying out a new, very different support build with HW, and I couldn't take damage to use an Armor kit for the life of me. I was just out in the open.

But very cool to see stuff that can actually do something with threat. It's gonna be a pain explaining that some bosses' agro is just different.

[subtle bluff]

I think we've repeated ourselves already, but:
We have no issues with people who use NBB in solo play, enjoy their build and gameplay at all. What I dislike, and a few others, is when those people spread misinformation about NBB being a good option to other players.

I said that yes, for leggo being the best limit example of what a build can do and what it can't do. My build can almost tank anything for a short period of time, and if it has a head, I can kill it in a timely fashion but it cannot solo or carry a whole team thru a leggo. It is not a min-max build since it is 5 blue, 2 skill and 1 red core. DMG per bullet is 330-700k. It very much is a hybrid build.

I use this build as an example because was figuring out what what my pros can cons were and building around it. I have a few fun build that I bring to support in leggo and I bring plenty of things to either to Dmg deal, CC, Heal and all of those would less and more boring because I don't have a BP talent can do a lot different things.

Again, NBB being good, no. NBB can be fun and used a in solo, yes.

[frosty tangle]

What other builds are good besides a striker build. Trying to branch out and have multiple for variety

[subtle bluff]

There's a bunch inside of the Pinned Messages Sheet

OD, Hotshot, HF

[frosty tangle]

Keep in my still new to endgame division

[worn mango]

Use Strikers to build out the rest, but most if not everything can be gotten from Countdown to be viable

If you also don't have some pieces, try to farm for some ceska, grupo, sovolov, etc. to have more variety because those types of pieces are used everywhere

[subtle bluff]

In the Pinned messages there are Guides.

[frosty tangle]

For a channel named build advice you sure all dislike trying to offer help and suggest guides

[solar sable]

Absolutely not

[subtle bluff]

I mean... We'd be typing out the guides again.

[onyx sage]

we would be saying the exact same shit

[solar sable]

what they said ↑

[subtle bluff]

But sure if you want us to give advice. Help me, help you.
What are you looking for in another build that good?

What are you looking to do?

Give us more context on what you want.

[solar sable]

They made guides to make things easier for new players on what to focus on once you've reached lvl40 or if you're looking for more builds to make/seek.

It's not that we dislike helping others. This channel is pretty active and a lot of people post their builds (or build attempts) and we give them advice on what to switch, what to recalibrate or how things are used.

[frosty tangle]

Hybrid skill and damage so mostly green red.

[hollow gazelle]

why is Ceska chest better than fenris? Isn't assualt rifle damage better than CHC?

[glad heart]

If your CHC is ok, and your CHD is ok, then it is fine to run the Fenris. I run it with unbreakable, at 57% CHC and 193.5 CHD. NPCs melt on Heroic. That is on a three piece providence, Grupo holster, Fox's Prayer knees. this is on a three piece providence, Grupo Holster, Fox's Prayer knees, with Vigilance on backpack. (The Gift)

[hollow gazelle]

gotcha

[glad heart]

I was trying to fix the post, did you get the whole thing about the Fenris??

[tulip charm]

Its more flexible also the weapon bonus is additive to weapon damage

[hexed steppe]

2 options really.

• you can run highend skill pieces, mix of yellow/red cores and crit rolls on the gear with capacitor/harmony. capacitor uses yellow cores as red cores and stacks extra skill damage with the talent.. this would generally be 3 empress, ceska , picaros or wyvern , and memento. im not gonna deep dive into the build but its based on skill efficiency that boosts % all skill attributes equally. also tech class for free skilltier.

• other option is a standard dps setup like striker or heartbreaker with memento bag and tech class for free skilltier. again, more weapon based but memento skill efficiency covers all skill attributes equally, up to 30% when fully stacked.

ideally, youll want to get something started and then screenshot and post here for feedback. youll get more feedback but also maybe some pushback and suggestions that could improve the build overall

these are examples of how either i listed would look

[solar sable]

watching low levels running striker's nbb in countdown had me seeing it instead of momento

[dreamy valve]

Whats going on here, just maximum spread?

[onyx sage]

it's the max skill haste + perfect creeping death variant yeah

[frosty tangle]

Is that the scorpio shotgun???

[hexed steppe]

yeah

its a crowd control setup

[dreamy valve]

coo coo

[frosty tangle]

Im currently looking for refractor set for a possible build idea

[hexed steppe]

setup like a turret drone and itll do well in a team. your damage determines the heals tho, so ymmv

[frosty tangle]

I was gonna go turret and aoe for my second skill

[hexed steppe]

maybe stinger hive second skill. opens up use of btsu exotic gloves that can overcharge team

[frosty tangle]

Im thinking the oxidizer chem launcher

[frosty tangle]

Btsu gloves are an exotic right???

[hexed steppe]

yeah, theyre really good in the right builds

i use them in the Mortar Supremacy build

[frosty tangle]

Thinking of trying ninja bike backpack with it

[hexed steppe]

dont, plz no. 😂 , its just not gonna give enough of a boost to anything. just being 100

[frosty tangle]

Not even if i pair with empress gear???

Like 4 refractor 2 empress??

[hexed steppe]

not even. you could throw memento in its place and get 30% in all skill buckets without needing any unlocks

[frosty tangle]

Memento??

[odd elk]

issa backpack

[dry tendon]

I’ve learned that it’s not always good to use an exotic if you’re just shoehorning it in

[hexed steppe]

skill efficiency % equals % in each skill bucket
% skill damage
% skill haste
% status effects
% skill health (real good for shields)
% skill repair
% skill duration

[hexed steppe]

facts

[hexed steppe]

this is why memento can be strong as a hybrid option on dps setups

[frosty tangle]

So you are recommending i go memento for the backpack?

[hexed steppe]

i can give the big copy pasta if ya like a breakdown. personally i wouldnt use it on most skill setups, but if it was a choice between memento or ninja, memento would be the only choice

i find it better on dps, which is why i suggested btsu as a good option

edit- wouldnt

for refactor, i would use a wyvern bag with tech support (25% total skill* damage), thats solid damage boost. if not using hive i would most likely use a glass chest, utilizing sacrifice named chest with perfect glass cannon (30% amp). if you have long lasting skills like turret/drone kinetic momentum chest talent is a safer option. for oxi like you mentioned glass would be the way with the tech support talent on bag

the strongest options are a lot of times also risky options so bear that in mind. anything you set up will need some dedicated use to get a good grasp of the drawbacks and advantages

[frosty tangle]

Thank you @hexed steppe I appreciate the insight.

[hexed steppe]

anytime

[frosty tangle]

I am gonna try to work on getting both btsu and memento to see which one will work for my playstyle

[hexed steppe]

sounds like a plan. if you need some feedback there are a lot of good builders here. post up a screenshot and youll get answers for sure

[frosty tangle]

Will do

[pliant tree]

So why is it a lot of builds in the guide recommend damage to targets out of cover? Is it because it gives 10% or is there something else I’m missing

[solar sable]

basically yeah

[pliant tree]

No shot, why not headshot on anything else but marksmen rifles?

[tulip charm]

You always pick dttoc as third attribute

Expect lmg

[proven merlin]

DTTOoC is an overall 10% dmg increase to enemies not in cover which doesnt need you to specifically go for headshots

easier to proc

[pliant tree]

Welp, time to reroll my eagle bearer, I have it at max headshot

[dreamy valve]

Damn I forgot what exotic we’ll get for the next master manhunt mission

[tulip charm]

Oh its the exotic backpack

[fair ether]

Birdie quick fix

[tulip charm]

Talent Combat Medic

+50% Revive Speed; -50% Weakened debuff time;

Provides 50% damage Resistance to both agents while reviving or being revived, and for 5s after a successful revive. Successful revives provide +1 Skill Tier for 30s. Revives at Skill Tier 6 grant Overcharge for 15s.

Theres only one guy thats gonna run this

[proven merlin]

provocateur 2: electric boogaloo

[frosty tangle]

How do we know the loot of master manhunt missions??

[proven merlin]

its usually in the season launch notes\

[cerulean smelt]

least they told us with Provacator plus if you don't see it in the season reward it's defiinitely in the master mission

[ashen turret]

honestly how do you build in this game,

I was following some guides, I thought I was doing some damage, then quit right before the kelso hunt, came back yesterday, tried a countdown at hard difficulty, felt like I was shooting blanks on the yellows

or maybe my expectations are off

serious question, I am really confused with builds still

[bright raptor]

the one true guide is The Spreadsheet 2 in the pinned messages of this channel

more broadly speaking endgame builds are usually a (not) compromise between the three core attributes

red weapon damage cores mean your gun does more damage, but does nothing for armor or skill effectiveness

yellow skill tier cores boost skill effectiveness but don't help weapon damage or armor

blue armor cores make you tougher, but also mean your weapons and skills won't do much of anything if you focus on it

especially since the Warlords of New York expansion came out, the design intent is that your survivability is through killing enemies before they can hurt you, so all red weapon damage builds are favored. Some prefer to add a few armor cores for toughness or primarily how it benefits the weapon shield skill

[ashen turret]

I guess I should just focus on getting a straight forward end game build and use that to grind the more complex ones

[bright raptor]

hence the popularity of Striker

[ashen turret]

okay cheers!

[spice pier]

Question : what is the best 2nd attribute in tips of spear gear set for hollywood event using grenade launcher mostly?

[rich cosmos]

Enemies move and get staggered too much to justify it unless you are a good shot or have zero recoil

Like yeah you should always be instinctively going for headshots but its better to just not go for only headshot build, plus with marksman rifles, they need the headshot damage as otherwise they don’t deal enough damage to be worthwhile

[frigid nimbus]

Anyone got any ideas for a dumb meme build using a rifle with Eagle's Grasp and Bober?

[placid latch]

Maybe a Diamond back or a Ruthless build

Handling benefit greatly for Rifle since they got low ammo and a big recoil

[frigid nimbus]

The Eagle’s grasp is pretty nice for rifles if I’m not mistaken

[placid latch]

And maybe some named item do better

[frigid nimbus]

What’s the best specialization?

[placid latch]

I was thinking about The Virginian and The Baker's

[frigid nimbus]

It’s not pure headshot damage because it’s not a sniper build (standard crit damage build, with some dumb gimmicks)

I felt like running sharpshooter would be unnecessary

My go to for DPS builds is gunner for 10% AOK + Ammo Refill

[placid latch]

Sharpshooter give some stability

[frigid nimbus]

Which god knows how much rifles need ammo refills

[cerulean smelt]

doesn't sharpshooter get some innate handling bonus?

[frigid nimbus]

It’s like a 15% stability boost

[placid latch]

and you can use the rifle + shield for a big bonus in handling

[frigid nimbus]

Meanwhile Eagle’s Grasp + Bober + Ninjabike Bag = 45 stability because weapon handling

Is this sort of build useless when I have a striker build and a traditional 180% CHD build? Yeah. Is it fun to make off meta builds? Also yes.

[placid latch]

Bober is not really the best for survivability

I did a funny build with Ruthless

[frigid nimbus]

Obviously not. But the build is for shit and giggles and to max out expertise for the chestpiece because OCD is real

[placid latch]

I though Bober would be the solution for survability

[frigid nimbus]

Like, I want to put together a Proxy and Combustor build too

[placid latch]

Mementos do better along boosting amor, weapon and skill tier

[frigid nimbus]

Even though that’s probably a stupid idea

[placid latch]

Gimme a few sec, I made a rifle build around ruthless

[cerulean smelt]

combustor was the grenade talent?

[frigid nimbus]

Combustor is a chestpiece

When you throw a skill, it go boom

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i know, but the perfect talent was for grenades?

[frigid nimbus]

Perfect explosive delivery

When you throw skill, it go boom many times

[placid latch]

I also tried to do a grenade build

[cerulean smelt]

oh ok, yeah, deployed skills just shakes everyone screens

[frigid nimbus]

Protip festive delivery is amazing for grenade DPS builds

[cerulean smelt]

yes, tried it with the exotic, tried with perfect madbomber and tried it with sledgehammer and they all felt lacking

[frigid nimbus]

I had a really idiotic build

Festive Delivery, Collector, Emeline’s guard, 1 random grupo sombra, two sokolov and the stage left sledgehammer rifle

[frigid nimbus]

And you’ve got a fairly useable grenade meme build

[placid latch]

This is my Rifle build

[frigid nimbus]

Perfect Mad Bomber is a thing?

[placid latch]

I didn't used Bober for a simple obliteration

[cerulean smelt]

i thought it was?

[frigid nimbus]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen it if it is real

[bright raptor]

yeah on the Lengmo named chest, still no better than regular

[placid latch]

This is clearly not the best build but you can play around

[cerulean smelt]

Carpenter

[frigid nimbus]

Anyway festive delivery causes your concussion grenades to explode multiple times if they hit an enemy

[frigid nimbus]

Oh… right…

[cerulean smelt]

i think because it's on Lengmo i felt it lacked a whole lot of damage

[bright raptor]

well not multiple times, it just spawns up to 2 more grenade booms if there are nearby enemies

[frigid nimbus]

Basically it just causes two enemies to spontaneously detonate

[placid latch]

This is my grenade build

[bright raptor]

you should have been around for when you could trigger it by throwing a grenade at your own feet

[frigid nimbus]

Lemme guess. Abuse Demolitionist’a ability to tank explosives?

[cerulean smelt]

i bet that was amazing?

[bright raptor]

yes

[placid latch]

tried out Festive grenade but being limited to concussion make it less reliable

[frigid nimbus]

Who needs outcast rushers anyway lmao

[frigid nimbus]

If only we could use any grenade with any specialization

[bright raptor]

amazingly the since patched exploit with Cooler and the festive grenades was even louder

[frigid nimbus]

Because I think we all can agree

Cluster nades as a demolitionist would be nice

[placid latch]

Tried it out and really to dangerous with Glass canon

[cerulean smelt]

was almost a thing i think, but they scrapped it

[frigid nimbus]

Yup. Scrapped in favour of seasonal journeys

[placid latch]

They should make it so we can pick which grenade we want

[frigid nimbus]

F in the chat for the dreams of flashbangs as a gunner

[placid latch]

There is no grenade build, being able to chose wich one would be a huge +

especially if you can switch between them depending the situation

[frigid nimbus]

Imagine being able to toss cluster grenades that can proc festive delivery

[frigid nimbus]

You can switch grenades freely already (at least the concussion and your specialization grenade)

Simply hold the grenade button and boom

Menu for grenades appears

[placid latch]

I know

But linking grenade to specialisation .....

[frigid nimbus]

Is incredibly lame

[cerulean smelt]

i think it would've been awesome if the festive delivery was tied to flash grenades XD

[frigid nimbus]

You monster

[placid latch]

Or any other grenade other than concussion

[cerulean smelt]

fire might've broken the game so no on that

[placid latch]

(though Fire or Cluster would make it broken)

[cerulean smelt]

the extreme miniddos from fire

who's not going to riot foam them with chem launcher than throw a fire nade at them? then have the festive delievery talent constantly exploding on our screen just because they can't leave it for a period of time

[frigid nimbus]

Cluster Festive Delivery

Sounds like a goddamn nuke

[placid latch]

It won't proc infinitly since it does on the hit of the grenade and not the fire from it

[placid latch]

Yeah this one would be a nuke

[frigid nimbus]

They should a true melee build viable

Maybe have some sort of exotic combo that bypasses armour when you melee

[cerulean smelt]

you believe they wouldn't accidently code it to have it constantly go off of the fire and not just the initial blast of the fire?

[placid latch]

I did made this stupid build for now:

[frigid nimbus]

I wish Acosta wasn’t such underwhelming exotic

[placid latch]

I can more or less play on solo heroic

[frigid nimbus]

Since the extra armour kit, ammo, and grenades is nice

[placid latch]

The true value from Acosta is the refill every minute

[frigid nimbus]

You know what would be horrifying. Collector + Acosta

[placid latch]

So you can play only using foam, seeker mine, grenade

[frigid nimbus]

Imagine the spam if you could use that with cluster grenades on demolitionist

[cerulean smelt]

if only festive delivery were a chest piece, could you imagine that combo?

[placid latch]

Actually, cluster is tied to fire

festive is tied to concussion grenade

[cerulean smelt]

i know but still, your build, festive on chest and throwing a concussion every 1 minute?

[placid latch]

I'm using Artisan so I can get a refound in case of kill

Along with Acosta refill every 1 min

The build revolve around foam then seeker mine then cluster

[cerulean smelt]

you're making me want to make that build just to play around with it

[placid latch]

Make you kill, rince and repeat

You will still get a problem with chunga or heavy armored enemie

Any way, grenade need some love

And would be pretty fun imo

You don't need it to be broken

just toss grenade around and wait for them to die

[cerulean smelt]

you know would be intersting if that measured gearset would give us grenades we dismantle/destroy. you build with carpenter and acosta with the measured giving us grenades would be rather amusing

[opaque marsh]

2 questions

1, Can you still store rolls from armor pieces?
2. Should I store some almost max rolls from my lvl 30 gear? (I haven't played in a longgggggggg time)

[shy willow]

Main reason to have Acosta i would assume is the OC

[cerulean smelt]

no level 30 gear unless you really really want to, the level 40 gear will be much higher i think? or maybe a good 3-4% higher i can't remember honestly

[patent fossil]

1. Yes and 2. maybe if they're useful stats and you want to level characters without boosting in the future (or hardcore characters) as you'll be able to apply lvl 30 stats to low level gear

[opaque marsh]

Okay, I was thinking it probably scaled higher but wasn't sure.
Thank you for the info too. Might do that just incase lol

[patent fossil]

Lvl 40 stats can only be applied to lvl 31-40 gear

[cerulean smelt]

oh so we can use those stats on hardcore? huh

[patent fossil]

Yeah you can recalibrate a lvl 30 armour core onto a lvl 1 item and be near unkillable for most of the campaign

Obviously not the point of playing HC, but hey...

[cerulean smelt]

good to know though, i assumed you had to start from scratch with your library stuff on HC

[patent fossil]

Library and expertise are account wide

[azure plank]

This build of my damage more but

This build do less of the damage, I don't havew ceska armor. Where I can get and what's wrong?

Like 1st build does 300K - more but the 2nd struggle to keep 100K

[patent fossil]

Still need a better chest, obliterate on anything will give you more damage, obviously ceska is best choice for brand

[cerulean smelt]

read the turmoil knees very carefully, plus they're extremely bugged

[azure plank]

Is ceska hard to get item? I've never notice where is ceska

[patent fossil]

Yeah the second one will only do decent damage at very high stacks, and it's cut in half for your primary target

[cerulean smelt]

place i hate with a passion but i recommend it because of the sheer drop amount you get in Countdown

[azure plank]

Sorry I didn't notice but it give 15% weapon damage

[cerulean smelt]

the knees are bugged because it's suppose to be a 50/50 damage transfer but sometimes it bugs out and does more
also when you're just down to 1 target you're suppose to do 100% but you're still doing 50%

[azure plank]

This is ceska icon?

[cerulean smelt]

yes, same as the knees in your second picture

[azure plank]

Oh so any vest with that icon will work right?

[patent fossil]

Yes, ideally one with crit chance and damage in the minor stats

Then recalibrate the talent to obliterate

[azure plank]

Thank you and what I can do with the 2nd image build? I mean to improve so it can transfer some more damage? Like if I place ceska vest in 2nd build then I've to put striker kneepad to complete 4 gear set right?

[patent fossil]

If you really want the damage transfer from those kneepads, the best thing you can do is run an ACS-12 as your second weapon and use that to build striker stats

The striker chest is only really useful when you have max stacks, which are difficult to build and maintain

[azure plank]

No like I'll change the vest gonna farm to get ceska vest now, but after putting the vest my the striker will come to 3 pieces. So I've to move kneepad to stiker kneepad to make it 4 gear set right? So that's why

[patent fossil]

Yes, but then it's basically just the same as the first build

[azure plank]

Thank you so much for the help

[manic lantern]

Good morning folks, I have weird dilemma, well, any interesting catharsis pve builds that somewhat easy to make?

Feel like its finelly the time for my mules to have gear, for weeklies completion obviously. 😅

( Why catharsis? Well, was farming for extra coyote and ended up with 4 extra catharsis instead...I feel its a sign from rngods )

[versed summit]

It’s not really good for PvE:/

Well, you can slap it on a pfe shorty build

[bright raptor]

or run it instead of Coyote's on the Heartbreaker setup in the spreadsheet

[versed summit]

https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1y2n6t6UKn8aMgI-yoH3FjbdaQZkT_7UcZ4CZtcFKnEY/edit?usp=drivesdk

[versed summit]

Eh

Not enough blue IMO

[manic lantern]

oh, kinda forgot about heartbreaker existence...again

[glossy quarry]

what easy to farm build do u recommend when character reaches lvl 40 ?

[cerulean smelt]

easiest is the red striker build in the pins uppper right hand corner

[glossy quarry]

this one ? https://lite.evernote.com/note/0d1135cf-139c-394e-53f6-02c1b8b4cea9

[cerulean smelt]

that's an option, but was more thinking this
https://lite.evernote.com/note/0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a

[indigo fjord]

Wouldnt Strikers with Groupo pack and Ceska chest be easier?

[cerulean smelt]

can't say honestly, i rarely use a strike build these days

[indigo fjord]

skip out on the exo

[indigo fjord]

Fair

[manic lantern]

How getting 1 correct roll on backpack is going to be harder then getting two right attributes for rolling talent, or correct talent+one attribute?

dunno, maybe i`m just unlucky, but backpack and chest farming can really drain your sanity

[indigo fjord]

Fair but Tinkering and it doesnt have to be perfect from the jump

[manic lantern]

honestly this will breeze you through any content

but for legendaries, might swap chest for striker one and then any of gloves,holster,knees item for ceska

[cerulean smelt]

@indigo fjord i've been hooked on this build which i have to change to apply the alphabridge exotid to

[indigo fjord]

Ill check it out

[cerulean smelt]

it's a known build, i remember it being calle Full metal Jacket (FMJ) think the sheet has it as a standard red dps build

[manic lantern]

im recently started to consider using turmoil on striker for leggies, until they fix strega-turmoil combo that is...

[indigo fjord]

Ive posted it before but thats what im running atm

[manic lantern]

after 1 kill, turmoil sends strega debuff on everything within range and it updates with each further kill

helps in terms of people stealing marks 😅

oh, wait...i does same thing even without turmoil... NEVERMIND then...good thing i was " testing " this in solo runs, hahahaha

[bright raptor]

yeah I was gonna ask if the effect has more to do with the shooting range target proximity than Turmoil

[manic lantern]

to be fair, i was testing in leggies union, which also has rather packed rooms..

[azure plank]

@patent fossil It's now okay I guess?

[patent fossil]

You'll still want to change your chest talent to obliterate, but otherwise yes, looks perfect

[azure plank]

Oh daamn I forget

I think I made a mistake and now I can't do it, LOL. Have to farm new one.

[patent fossil]

Talents are more important than stats, they give a much bigger damage boost, so that's a priority

[azure plank]

Got it thanks again, Now have to collect optimization resource and new chest item.

What's the best way to farm optimizaion resources?

Summit?

Or have I've to select in countdown?

[tranquil wraith]

How do we feel about exodus gloves vs coyotes mask with a strikers build

[indigo fjord]

I prefer exodus gloves tbf for the little extra survivability on a full red

[tranquil wraith]

what pairs well with the gloves? Chameleon?

[indigo fjord]

Yeah usually

[wooden finch]

Holy SHIT this is huge. Sadist+pressure point, optimist+strained, Determined+ranger?

this also seems absurdly high

[fresh fox]

don’t worry we will see how cool it is when master mode drops!

[fresh fox]

yea it’s op

[vestal ibex]

I can't wait to tell everyone that the coolest exotic is still months away once the new season starts!

[placid latch]

Hello

I have 2 perfect Lexington (with DTTOOC)

I'm wondering which talent should I set it before expertizing

I feel like Optimist is more polyvalent while Strained might deal more damage

Is it worth tu put Preservation on it or should I just use another weapon

[fresh fox]

you can change it so don’t worry too much

i would do killer

swap to strained or measured when in group content

[glad heart]

Strained is top recommended, followed by Fast Hands sometimes, and Flat Line (with tech spec and tech laser.)

[placid latch]

Thanks for the reply

[onyx sage]

hey all where can i farm the new alphabridge mask? i farmed countdown for 8h

[cerulean smelt]

PTS?

[onyx sage]

nah i'm just baiting souless as the average player

[cerulean smelt]

oh lol XD

[glad heart]

I smell Division 1 round the corner...yuck. The mask is called "Tinkerer" with talent Abridged. (Works like Div 1 AlphaBridge) Not available till Year 7 drops. It is available on the PTS, (I am assuming) and like all exotic pieces, you farm the gear type. Other than countdown, the best farm location is summit.

[patent fossil]

He's just trolling, we already know where to find the mask both in pts (vendor cache) and once new season goes live (manhunt climax mission)

[glad heart]

I did not see the second post

[azure plank]

Need a good pistol/sidearm for this build. Set the directives with no ammo. So Need a powerful sidearm which can damage more.

[vestal ibex]

Orbit

It's not only strong but it'll make your damage better after using it making your ammo efficiency a bit better too with perfect finisher.

[azure plank]

the thing is, I got no luck in dark zone, like I have no custom KARD

[azure plank]

so orbit only available in dark zone right?

[bright raptor]

have you considered just waiting for the Gunner special ability to give you the ammo?

[azure plank]

Sorry?!

[bright raptor]

Gunner gives you some ammunition every 60 seconds or so

all you have to do is wait

[azure plank]

Which one?

[azure plank]

Oh so based on what I've

[bright raptor]

the ammo box icon thing you've already taken

[azure plank]

What if I've 0 ammo it won't give me any ammo

right?

[bright raptor]

It does give you ammo

[cyan drift]

yeah gunner spec gives you ammo

if you have 1000 bullets it will give you 100

[azure plank]

oh okay, So no matter what've

[azure plank]

But I'm playing with no ammo, So basically 0 ammo mean no ammo after 60 sec?

[cyan drift]

it's based off of your maximum ammo

[bright raptor]

No, it gives you a percentage of maximum ammo regardless of how much you have

[cyan drift]

it isn't amplicative

[azure plank]

ah ah got it

[prime elbow]

Is this a new talent?

[cerulean smelt]

yes the perfect variant

@rux while the normal version

[shy willow]

No way that isn't getting nerfed 500 miles into the ground

[azure plank]

Wait so I can put this talent in my rifle and have so much damage?

I mean easy to kill enemy.!!

[patent fossil]

Same talent requirement as the new mask too, so easy dps boost for second weapon

[cerulean smelt]

in other news this build with alpha bridge

[azure plank]

Ohh...

[urban latch]

What weapon?

[cerulean smelt]

lexington of course (> <)

[urban latch]

So how does that look with striker?

[azure plank]

I use UIC15 MOD2 better or funny build?

[onyx sage]

i expect to see a 1.5mil or higher

[cerulean smelt]

stats

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, probably be a whole lot more if i had streamline...... 😭

[onyx sage]

someone tell me if you can get streamline on mmr

that's all i need to know

[shy willow]

Headhunter gets 20x more busted

[cerulean smelt]

go have a wet dream?

[onyx sage]

i am gonna strategize so hard with this

this changes everything.

[shy willow]

Inb4 launch patch notes dock that to like 20 percent

[onyx sage]

the strategy being just kill

[prime elbow]

Rifles only or it can be applied to ARs too?

[cerulean smelt]

every single gun gets it

[prime elbow]

jesus

They'll nerf it, 80 is too much

[cerulean smelt]

only thing i'm missing in ars

i think i hear average player breathing heavily over there coming up with good combos

[prime elbow]

what weapon has it?

[cerulean smelt]

Lud AR. looks like a MK16?

[prime elbow]

yeah, the socom one

[cerulean smelt]

also the SMG taht 9mm converted or something?

[vestal ibex]

Gotta wait like 4 months tho RIP

[cerulean smelt]

i think average player will be in a hospital for that long of heavy breathing?

[prime elbow]

A fun new exotic and an amazing new talent, looking good so far

[onyx sage]

i am HYPED

will make zoo a lot easier

[vestal ibex]

How long into a season is the climax mission? 18 weeks or something?

[magic pilot]

Maybe I'll solo zoo if they don't nerf anything

[onyx sage]

YOOO

[prime elbow]

Do we know the core/attributes of that new exo mask?

[onyx sage]

which one? tinkerer?

[prime elbow]

ye

[vestal ibex]

Should be crit

[onyx sage]

chc chd

[magic pilot]

Red core

[prime elbow]

nice

[magic pilot]

Cursed catharsis

[prime elbow]

Evil catharsis

hopefully the final visual will look decent, that new mask they showed on the BfB trailer looked so ugly

[prime elbow]

You could easily run 1 or 2 extra armor cores without a worry, that seems absurd

[vestal ibex]

I mean if it's giving you 80% that's the same as 5 1/3 red cores.

[prime elbow]

yeah, that's why you could sacrifice 1 or 2 red cores for extra armor

[vestal ibex]

It's just so much damage on a HH build.

[prime elbow]

also on a HF

[vestal ibex]

Like it's good to be able to stack up easier I guess but that's just dumb numbers.

[prime elbow]

gives you extra survivability

[vestal ibex]

I'll put it like this, it's an unreasonable amount of damage for the talents requirement.

[prime elbow]

they might reduce to 50% or smt, and the perfect might go to 60%

this talent with either the Tinkerer or Memento sounds op

You simply cant die

[wooden finch]

does nobody read the patch notes?

[prime elbow]

and there'll be no dmg loss

[vestal ibex]

You could go full blue sniper with blood sucker and do basically the same damge as we currently do.

[wooden finch]

PTS for now, but yeah its a weapon talent

[prime elbow]

Full tank HF with the Memento sounds fun

or 50/50 when it comes to the cores

Gods, both this talent and the Tinkered opens so many doors for interesting builds

[cerulean smelt]

i did, but i didn't pay attention to the models

[tulip charm]

wait

does alphabridge works with lexi

since its a named item

[vestal ibex]

Currently yes.

PTS tho so idk if that stick.

[tulip charm]

fair

[vestal ibex]

Also it's gonna be in the climax mission so it's gonna be like what 4 months or so till we get it.

[tulip charm]

damn

[bold leaf]

Not sure if anyone saw this but Streamline doesn't work with Tinkerer

[vestal ibex]

Probs just bugged.

[bold leaf]

Yeah probably. It wouldn't work as either the primary or secondary talent

But Lexington does work lol

[cerulean smelt]

yeah definitely

[cerulean smelt]

build i tested out with lexington as the primary#td2-build-advice message

[onyx sage]

known issue in patch notes

[bold leaf]

Ah ok thanks

[tulip charm]

thats alot of crit dmg xd

[cerulean smelt]

perfect streamline got into 1.4 million damage

[dreamy grotto]

i read somewhere that for headhunter builds dta applies twice? is it true? or dtooc still better?

[vestal ibex]

It's true but DTTOOC is typically better for first shot.

Pretty sure it's explained in the build guide too

[tulip charm]

You want dttoc since the first/second shot is more important than max stack damage.

[shy willow]

First shot counts so everyone just runs dttooc

[dreamy grotto]

well i just spent 4 hours farming for the harvest, and got one with dta, probably wont do that again

[shy willow]

Even if DTA yields higher top end

[cerulean smelt]

told you it'd be a grind

[dreamy grotto]

yeah, but dedication to have a pistol build won

[urban latch]

what were you doing to farm it?

[vestal ibex]

Where regulus?

[dreamy grotto]

i cant aim shit)

[dreamy grotto]

as was adviced - at enter to dz south, there is a guy spawning

[vestal ibex]

Sounds about right.

[urban latch]

you just turn right and run along the wall of DZ south until your minimap lights up, and you should get it nearly every time

[dreamy grotto]

thats literally what i done

the amount of squirt guns i got is immesurable)

[cerulean smelt]

you throw them all into the expertise? XD

[dreamy grotto]

no, gonna do booster hive build and squirt teammates to have hazpro team)

[tulip charm]

wait event is still up?

Imma farm that then

[magic pilot]

I've been farming for harvest since it came out and I just got one with dtooc last night

Consider yourself lucky

I got DtooC first sight and DtooC handbasket before harvest

[dreamy grotto]

ha, i have dta cooler!))

[cerulean smelt]

do it mortar, post a video of your dtooc harvest for flockwood to see (> <)

[dreamy grotto]

the question is - can it reach 4ppl heroic threshold?
as i understand there is 2 routes - HF and HE

[vestal ibex]

I think the damage might just fall short tbh.

[cerulean smelt]

dta or dtooc?

[vestal ibex]

Just the harvest doing enough to do 4 man heroic full time.

[cerulean smelt]

ah so attributes don't matter in this case

[vestal ibex]

Depending on team comp and buffs you have it might be a bit dodgy from time to time and idr what it'll hit full stacked.

[onyx sage]

you won't be able to one shot named but you can do on elites easily

right now for me it hits 18mil or a bit more

[vestal ibex]

Vigi or?

[onyx sage]

vigi

[vestal ibex]

Yeah so no vigi means possible drops.

idk 1886 is just so much better if you wanna cheesy determined build.

Harvest is still worth the grind just to have it tho.

[magic pilot]

I needed harvest for incursion

[onyx sage]

with streamline coming i need to farm a m44 with it

[magic pilot]

Technically I need another with the shock talent

[cerulean smelt]

@vestal ibex think determined + streamline will be meta?

[magic pilot]

WD probably works with the mask

Lexington does

[onyx sage]

hmm

i don't wanna bank on it since it's pts

easier to assume it doesn't

[vestal ibex]

They better nerf that shid down to a normal level.

[onyx sage]

like i'm even fine with a 30% only

[magic pilot]

I'm guessing they meant perfect talents

Fr

[onyx sage]

80% is too damn much

[cerulean smelt]

normal streamline is 80% too XD

[cerulean smelt]

that's my take. like how many people would do Lud with a normal streamline together?

[dreamy grotto]

yes, but pistol aestetics are cooler

[shy willow]

Idk man it doesn't get much cooler than a lever action

[vestal ibex]

And you reload it like a competition shooter now too.

The dexterity to hold 8 rounds in your hand and load them in that fast is amazing.

[tulip charm]

Does anyone know what room has dogs at the start?

[onyx sage]

tidal basin

you know what difficulty

[tulip charm]

oh I though dogs are consider skills

😭

[onyx sage]

rip

do mini tanks count tho?

oh i saw your message in the other server

[patent fossil]

Unlikely

[onyx sage]

they do count

the set one-shot a mini tank

[patent fossil]

This the final measure thing? That's hilarious.

[onyx sage]

yep

[dreamy valve]

All that 2.0 weapon balancing went out the window with streamline

[cerulean smelt]

didn't they mention something about weapon modifications in their BFB reveal video too?

[fresh fox]

streamline is like PTS behind you wow

still weaker tho so it’s ok

but still crazy

[patent fossil]

But that cost of having no skills on cooldown, between that and the alphabridge mask no-one will ever use skills again

[cerulean smelt]

so true, think shield and chem launcher?

[subtle bluff]

We have trick and method to do shotguns reload quick but leveler action with that small of a around isn't easy to do. I've only load a leveler once so I can't really say too much.

[cerulean smelt]

well, smart cover going to do away with that really

[magic pilot]

Depending on the lever action you can speed load them

[vestal ibex]

We are gonna have HW smart cover builds for team stuff.

[cerulean smelt]

the precision DTOOC smartcover will have lonestar reloading (swap weapon magazine instantly fills)

[magic pilot]

I've had some practice quad loading shotguns it's kind of a pain in the ass

But a super secret sleeper agent should be able to no problem

[cerulean smelt]

i never heard of what you're talking about, but who knows i probably done it by accident but never paid enough attention to it

[magic pilot]

Reloading technique for tube fed shotguns

[cerulean smelt]

i'd be that one person where they see something charging at them to eat them
hands shaking dropping the extra bullets but managed to get 1 in chamber and shoots

[magic pilot]

You basically flip the gun upside down, and with 4 shells in one hand push a stack of 2 into the tube at one time

[vestal ibex]

Oh Daddy

[magic pilot]

John wick does it

But it's been done in competitive shooting for decades

[cerulean smelt]

thanks i knew i saw something like that, but the movie didn't come to mind

[modern night]

They need to hire some 3 gun competitors to come in and do the reload animation I do agree bc the thing you talking about it awesome some people can load a shotgun in like a second

[vestal ibex]

Yeah and some can aim like an aim bot.

[bright raptor]

to get a rise out of people, point out the extent to which John Wick action setpieces from 3 onwards are basically 3 gun courses with stuntmen standing in for targets

fun movies and still fun to watch them go at it, but once you notice you can never truly unsee it

[cerulean smelt]

i've only watched 2 i think?

[bright raptor]

I'm holding on to 2 Super 90 SBSes because of 2

ingame that is

[cerulean smelt]

pummel + brazen?

[bright raptor]

yes

[cerulean smelt]

or brazen + streamline?

[magic pilot]

100%

He learned those courses well

[bright raptor]

still might not solve everything once Tinkerer comes around

hmm, Pummel + Streamline is going to get nerfed real fast if it works

all that it needs otherwise would be whatever lag/packet loss issue I'm having that randomly drops Headhunter stacks because it "wasn't a headshot kill" to be fixed

[solar berry]

Mmm showing normalize stats don’t work for streamline

[rich cosmos]

Whats the damage increase on normal streamline

[onyx sage]

80%

[rich cosmos]

Oh yeah thats getting nerfed to hell lmao

I hope it stays as at least one of the higher damage perks though

[onyx sage]

i'm fine with 30% even

if it actually is weapon damage

[tulip charm]

Make it amp

And call it a day

[fresh fox]

i still feel like thats high

[onyx sage]

as the average player idk the average buff value in this game to judge whether that's high or not

[solar sable]

if you want survivability, yes

I'd recommend farming for very op or "just in case" builds like:
Hotshot, Oxy, Nego, OD, Mortar, a raid build...

Hotshot is pretty good for helping with leg
idk if Hunter's Fury is any good with leggie

all red HB would be great as it's survivability depends on stacking

I have no idea tbh, maybe a regular leg player will help more than me

[unborn fable]

playing around with a headshot heartbreaker build, any thought on what kneepads to run? i was debating fox prayer or just a providence for the extra headshot damage. just not sure if the rifle damage and dmg out of cover works out better. I dont have the providence piece yet so cant test in the range side by side

[subtle bluff]

Depends solo and your team imo.

For this it's more a gameplay and skill play then the build itself.

Hotshot can do really good but then falls off when things don't have heads.

[solar sable]

good to know

[subtle bluff]

Eagle's Grasp imo.

[unborn fable]

interesting ill check it out

[unborn fable]

i take it for the handling?

[subtle bluff]

ammo and handling

Bigger mag size is useful and the weapon is really nice for everything it does.

Tankier... What make something tankie to you in the game?

Base armor, bonus armor, PFE etc etc

I'd say keep playing. IMO if you can solo heroic without reviver hive that's when you're ready to do good work in Leggo

More solo leggo are done on full mostly red strikers

what the heck. Did he just get booted or he delete all of his post?

[magic pilot]

who

[fair dragon]

Only the mods know

[subtle bluff]

idk he's gone now. Too many people are doing that these days.

[azure plank]

I've a question is there have any overcharge skill tier build?

[subtle bluff]

Can you try that again?
Is there any reason to have overcharge?

[bright raptor]

any build is an overcharge skill tier build with the Overdrive active modifier this season

more seriously you can but you seriously compromise yourself due to either requiring Energize or needing enough red cores to retain the weapon damage needed to secure kills with a Future Perfect weapon

[azure plank]

Oh no sorry there is no reason, I asked cause they put overcharge option. But if I build with 6 skill based gear/brand item and take technician as special weapon it's giving me 7 skill tier as long as I understand but still if I visit my skill it's saying skill tier 6. That's why I asked that question. Besides that Tier 6 works like a fire.

[subtle bluff]

6 Skill tier is all you need.
Overcharging can be useful, but isn't needed. Some skill builds need it.

[azure plank]

Thanks for the answer, so there is way to push all through overcharge?

[bright raptor]

Over 6 skill tiers =/= overcharge

like I said, using the Overdrive active modifier or maxing out momentum is the most practical way for any build to overcharge this season

[subtle bluff]

If not that ^^^ You need something that give you +1 that says it'll overcharge you if at 6 Skill Teir already.

Or another way to say 6 Skill Teir is max. You need a talent that'll force another +1 Skill Teir.

[azure plank]

Thanks for more clarification. Thank you.

[azure plank]

Like I said my build is already in tier 6 but technician specialized weapon saying it gives me 1+ skill tier so 6 Skill tier + 1 makes 7 but still in skill it's saying 6 skill tier not overcharge. Maybe my English not helping you guys to catch what I'm saying. But after work I'll post screenshot.

[bright raptor]

That's why I specifically mention Future Perfect on a weapon and Energize on a backpack - those talents do trigger overcharge if you're at skill tier 6 already

The extra skill tier from Technician or the KARD Custom does not trigger overcharge

[azure plank]

Ahhhh, I see. Thank you

[long marlin]

so just curious making my return to div2 whats the current meta builds weapon dps wise

[subtle bluff]

Strikes still

[cerulean smelt]

next season might change a bit you think?

[fleet inlet]

anyway i can make this build better? i have crit and headshot any and everywhere and i do 960k a shot and when my headhunter talent is on i do about 1m a hit anyway i can?

[cerulean smelt]

not sure if this is decent or if it can be better with first sight. can't thinkg of a good 2 talent combo

[bright raptor]

perfect rolled Habsburg pieces that allow you to change the core attribute to red is the only real way to improve on this

[fleet inlet]

ive triedddd i farmed it for a whole week and couldn't get a perfect rolled habsburg

cause i also need it to have the head hunter talent

[tulip charm]

Well duh farming perfect habsburg is cancer

[fleet inlet]

i knowww it suckss

[tulip charm]

Im farming lengmo is its equally as bad

😭

[fleet inlet]

oh yea i bet so

its just the same thing every single time

its like the game knows what you want and wont let you have it

[tulip charm]

Yeah

Literally just dont farm it and the game will give it to you

Got a double crit lengmo mask in summit from a cache

[fleet inlet]

😭

[fleet inlet]

offtopic how do i make this better for hunters? i want to get the mask before the seasons over but they just tear through me like butter

[solar berry]

You have Scorpio?

Scorpio shreds and stun hunters, even in group play. Very ideal to have

[fleet inlet]

mmmm ok ok i have it ill have to try it

im on the one where two spawn and i just get disintegrated

[bright raptor]

not with a sniper rifle. You can use Scorpio with this setup for a lot of headshot damage and the status effects

if it is the open world puzzles just drop global difficulty to Normal

[fleet inlet]

thing is i am on normal my armor is just nothing and doesn't stop anything

[bright raptor]

Hunters will always melt you regardless of how much armor you have, yes

[fleet inlet]

mmmm ok so just be strategic

exspecially with two of them

[tulip charm]

Yeah

Utility and Burst damage are very important against hunters

[fleet inlet]

im newish to the division what do you mean burst damage?

damn the scorpio shreds through them

[fresh fox]

good thing habs is more worth it for PRO RAIDERS!

[tulip charm]

This guy

[placid latch]

I'm using a pfe regen build for hunter with scorpio. You will shred them

I did it on solo on heroic

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tPpYzIMMofE&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD

@fleet inlet

[terse scroll]

is it possible for a 1 shot build to work in legendary solo? or do you just need something else with like sustainability

[wooden finch]

with all the chungas, warhounds and drones I personally wouldnt but it definitely can work

[terse scroll]

yeah they seem to be my downfall, it's just hard finding a group tbh and i'm struggling to try and find any other decent builds that are as strong as my 1 shot build

[wooden finch]

Strikers 🤷‍♂️

[placid latch]

It's possible

You won't be able to take down chunga in one hit. Train to two shot them while they are staggered by the helmet break.

In case you got more than one chunga, kill other to stack head hunter again

Lastly, you need a 100% handling hot shot build so you can head shot over your cover (so taking almost no damage). The other point is you can head shot the chunga until the helmet break if you can't stack head hunter

[pseudo belfry]

Looking for a good build surrounding the “Hunter killer” vest

[bright raptor]

Hunter's Fury with Memento or Adrenaline Rush, but the brand bonus really hurts Hunter Killer

[pseudo belfry]

I see
What brand best pairs with both Hunter killer and momento?

Run n gun is my play style

[subtle bluff]

Hunter killer isn't great synergy with anything

[pseudo belfry]

I just want that proficiency dawg 😭

[dreamy grotto]

how many damage do you need to oneshot stuff on 4ppl heroic?

[subtle bluff]

solo?

[dreamy grotto]

i mean with hh build

[subtle bluff]

I understand that. I mean Solo Heroic or what?

[dreamy grotto]

4 ppl

i remember somewhere was a chart how much every enemy hp have