td2-build-advice

[high jay]

You can only have one of an attribute on a gear piece unless you have gear mod slots on it then you can add more crit

[peak moss]

Ah I see makes sense

[hard turret]

what secondary weapon should i use for my 1 tap build?

[cerulean smelt]

i've seen a video linked to me from youtube showcasing 1886 with determined

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FlM0DxUqJs

[fresh fox]

nemesis

[solar sable]

Depends on the situation you're in

I always like to carry Scorpio in case I'm in a very tight situation (which isn't very often but comes in handy).
Nemesis is BiS for gaining all HH stacks in one shot.

[hard turret]

whats bis?

[hard turret]

yea im still working on my nemesis, i'll get it next week

[solar sable]

Best in Slot

[hard turret]

i see ok

[subtle bluff]

since you're in here check out the spreadsheet in the Pinned Messages there maybe some information about in the messages.

[hard turret]

im getting around 22 mil per shot

but in the DZ against npcs im only getting max 6 mil

is there a difference?

[subtle bluff]

How much HH do you have stacked up?

[hard turret]

full stacks?

[subtle bluff]

Also in the DZ?

[stiff jasper]

check normalization of hh

[patent fossil]

It's a gradual process rather than a specific breakpoint. At 200% chd you're effectively getting 1/3 of the value of any further addition to chd, meaning that 8% dtooc is 'worth' 24% chd (potentially more if you consider dtooc to affect more than 60% of bullets on average)

[subtle bluff]

It's just math diminishing returns.

[drowsy oar]

Hi there! Is there any way i can take out these attributes ? I can take out from some items and from another one i can not

[patent fossil]

That one's a unique named item so it's probably exempt somehow

[tame crane]

What third attribute you want on a Pesti DPS build? DTA?

[fresh fox]

headhunter is super nerfed in dz

[fresh fox]

chc

only dta if it’s triple tick

[light meadow]

only named things i know you can tinker the talents on are the guns

[fresh fox]

white death, harvest, first sight, lexington and backup boomstick just to name a few

[mellow phoenix]

Any idea for a good shotgun build for PvP ?

[magic pilot]

Check the pinned google sheet

[brittle drift]

Hey guys I wanted to optimize my Coyote Mask. I am missing the optimizing materials from Hyenas. I did two Hyena control points but did not get any. Any advice on how to get those materials?

[glad heart]

Faction missions and bounties--Final Bosses. Those resources can also be crafted, IIRC if you have the stuff to do that.

[tame crane]

Bounties

Yeah you can also craft them if you have the blueprint 🙂

Quite expensive if I recall correctly, so it will drain your mats if you need to optimize a lot

If its a really bad roll, i recommend run some Countdowns to get a better roll

[brittle drift]

I don't have the blueprint

Will try bounties

[tame crane]

Bounties will be your go to then IMO, do you have to optimize it a lot though?

[brittle drift]

Not much. It was a decent drop. Few % here and there

[tame crane]

I would say if you have to optimize more than 4-5 times, I would just try to get a better drop tbh

[magic pilot]

Exotics I usually just optimize

Especially exotic weapons with Dtooc

[tame crane]

yeah weapons with dttooc is def worth optimizing

[magic pilot]

Mules are so fast to lvl now so resources aren't a huge issue past 1k shd

[tame crane]

True, I doubt hes past 1k SHD when optimizing a Coyotes tho

[hexed steppe]

Depends on the piece. Unicorns you may need to optimize a lot, but usually worth it.
-# lookin at you yellow grupo/sacrifice/contractors/foxs

[tame crane]

Yeah of course depending on the item in question, something like Coyotes which drops all the time in Countdown, I would bother optimizng the hell out of tho

[thin cobalt]

Can anyone help me out with a good build for the strega? Im still trying to get the coyotes mask just bad rng at this point

[strong veldt]

You forgot habs backpack with CHD/HSD and vigilance... still looking for one since brand came out....🤣😭

[brittle drift]

Oh man I got the coyote today playing countdown on challenging difficulty with mask as targeted loot

[thin cobalt]

@brittle drift I've been running countdown with the mask selected. Still hasn't dropped. I've been doing the exotic caches also

[brittle drift]

Yea rng is a biaaaatch

[thin cobalt]

Yes it is

[glossy scarab]

im still struggling to find a build for strega that doesn't entirely rely on having a handful of enemies to stack it up on before facing elites, rogues, chungas and bosses. once everyone else is eliminated and i get stuck alone with a strong enemy the strega loses all its power

[onyx sage]

that's the kinda niche/drawback preventing strega from being strong everywhere

[glossy scarab]

yup

[onyx sage]

it's like why we joke "dark winter is so good against bosses"

[glossy scarab]

lol

exactly

using it in the firing range is fun but creates the illusion of its effectiveness

[magic pilot]

Weakpoints and armor plating should be used to proc some talents change my mind

[thin cobalt]

Well I've heard pestilence is good rn but I haven't tried it tbh

[glossy scarab]

the new rate of fire is a huuuuuuge improvement

i cant remember what it used to be, but it was pretty slow

[vestal ibex]

Whoa! pls do not overwhelm my smooth brain sir.

[magic pilot]

it was like 550

[glossy scarab]

yeah something like that, maybe 650. i use it so much more now

[hexed steppe]

Definitely a unicorn, but not needed. With hotshot/chainkiller/ airaldi vigilance, you already hit the same breakpoints.
Also chd really not good there. Its additive with hsd and at 300ish % hsd it changes the build very little. Handling can make a difference tho

[hollow relic]

Hey. Any build advice with chill out mask?

[magic pilot]

It's very niche tbh

[versed summit]

Pfe the main use

[hollow relic]

Im confused hahah

@magic pilot @versed summit can you send me a build? I'm solo on dz and always i die one shot

[versed summit]

Don’t use it in dz lmao

[hollow relic]

Any build recommend please?

[versed summit]

Check out the PvP starters guide in the pinned spreadsheet

[magic pilot]

Sorry niche means not used very much

Chill out is an average piece

[earnest dagger]

is the strega still good?

[versed summit]

It’s solid if you proc the talent enough

Not meta tho

[earnest dagger]

whats meta just lexington elmo?

[onyx sage]

basically

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, leave it in the stash.

[fresh fox]

make one that triples damage to weakpoint/armor plates for FREE!

[versed summit]

Most ARs are pretty competitive now.

[strong veldt]

True, unless you use 2 pieces. For some reason, airaldi only give 10 percent MMR while habs gives 20. But yes you're right, especially on console where aiming is harder, weap handling is better. I just been after that bag for so damn long. Backpack and chest piece

[tame crane]

Famas still Viable?

[versed summit]

Very

[strong veldt]

Yes

[tame crane]

What talent? Need one for specific stuff like DH raid first boss and also for some variation from Elmos

^ to use on strikers

[onyx sage]

strained, if your raid has pulse you can put flatline

[tame crane]

Ill go for whats best for solo, so Strained it is

Always doing raids with randoms so

[strong veldt]

Measured, strained, optimist are all good, fast hands for quicker reloads lose less stacks

[main estuary]

ps5 dv 2 agent here, im running a memisis build do you guys have any tips for me to improve

its too late fopr me to send photos T-T so ill send them in the morning

[cerulean smelt]

lol, you'll probably have to ask the question again but with photos

[tame crane]

Hahaha, hard to say what to improve on with no photos

[cerulean smelt]

could we agree with no photos it's probably a skill issue? 🤔

[tame crane]

Running a Nemesis build is the issue here IMO

[glad pilot]

What for?

[fresh fox]

high end headshot dps

[glad pilot]

y not a hotshot, also, my question is why does he need a chd/hsd, innit one or the other (crit buiild/hs+handling)

imma attempt to get the uni hab backpack too tmrw ig, i got the chest yesterday

[hexed steppe]

2 habs vs airaldi/chainkiller is only 5% weapon damage difference... weapon damage on a build that is already stacked with weapon damage. i get the unicorn aspect , but the amount of farming for the actual return is totally not worth it, and more of a flex, at least imho. if its what you want i can respect that, we all have our certain projects/builds. ill even make a Lootcifer sacrifice in your name.

[glossy scarab]

Chd on a hotshot build? No need for that

[hexed steppe]

compare what youre running in the pinned spreadsheet > sniper setups and see where you are differing.

[main estuary]

oh shit'

ppla re responding'

uhhuhm

ok ill send picturss of my build

leme boot up mu ps5

[hexed steppe]

make sure you give the hamsters some cheese for their hard work

[main estuary]

...

wut

vbvbvbvb

[glad pilot]

Yea, but having 2hab and 4pc hotshot is even bigger difference

[hexed steppe]

5% wd, a little extra hsd... not enough to matter

[glad pilot]

I know it 'doesnt matter'

As things are dead even at way less dmg, but still

Ill chase that bis anyway

Only reason i see pushing this hard is when theres a helmeted chunga (the thick one) in heroic duo, it takes 30mil to pop it iirc

[hexed steppe]

most ppl running hotshot are also running determined. you are losing that proc on helmet regardless...

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, not sure the numbers needed for it, but i recall when i ran dark hours with a group they'd have 2 snipers. 1 would pop the helmet and the other would destroy the chunga that comes out to slam the button for the missles

[glad pilot]

Specifically the lincoln boss one,, and yes, but i remove the helmet

[main estuary]

what does detirmained do?

[glad pilot]

So the next shot is free

[hexed steppe]

check the pinned spreadsheet

[main estuary]

...

[hexed steppe]

👆 📌

[glad pilot]

Lmao

[main estuary]

what?

[hexed steppe]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

there are good breakdowns of everything.

[main estuary]

how the freak do i navigate that ToT

oh so garueteed crit?

thaats cool

[glad pilot]

If a missunderstanding was a person

[main estuary]

..

its not garuteed crit?

[hexed steppe]

when you figure that out then ill start answering ?s. tabs> gearset, brandset, weapon talents, gear talent, hub(builds) are your main goto

[glad pilot]

No, it makes ur body shot count as a headshot, after having an initiating headshot kill

[main estuary]

..oh!

cool

im using headhunter'

[glad pilot]

As u shoukd

[hexed steppe]

im being jerky, i know and admit. im just not in teaching mode, and more just bantering build shit

[main estuary]

oj

ok

[cerulean smelt]

if you attempt to use the weapons with Perfect Determined talent they do a critical headshot but doesn't allow you to keep determined talent

[main estuary]

i knew i shouldve stayed in dv1 ToT

[hexed steppe]

that builds tab has detailed guides of each setup linked at the end of each line. it breaks down what you want and why

[main estuary]

OH THE PICTURES I FORGOT

1sec

[cerulean smelt]

so most will opt in with a normal determined talent so they can keep it up while building up the chainkiller perfect headhunter stacks until they meet a helmeted NPC, which if you shoot them you break their helmet and lose your determined and think headhunter stacks? so you start all over again

[hexed steppe]

the way i see it, if one setup isnt changing the results enough, and either setup kills the same stuff then they both are kinda bis. i think the only clear advantage of habs setup is a bit more hsd because 1st cold shot is way more important than the rest in that chain. i know ill catch flak, and i understand bis means highest possible min/max damage or whatever metric is focused for a specific build would be.

[cerulean smelt]

how you explained it. it's how i see it myself honestly
i haven't even considering using Habs for anything really

[hexed steppe]

roi just isnt there for me. i got the points to craft/opt both unicorns without ever needing a mule and it still isnt worth.

mortar is a lot more fun to use anyways
-# Mortar Supremacy

[covert meadow]

Can you run kinetic momentum with motar build instead of glass cannon?

[hexed steppe]

you can, but kinetic resets damage when skill is on cooldown

glass is much better

[covert meadow]

Ok is it better to have a maxed 5 tier glass cannon chest or a 6 tier chest with garbage first 2 attributes but having a full haste as the mod ?

I've wasted tons and tons of resources looking for this piece not to mention countdown

[hexed steppe]

youll want 6 skilltier, if you cant get the sacrifice chest right away you can sub in a second hanna glass (if using force multiplier) , or a wyvern glass piece

[covert meadow]

I thought I could use my tdi card custom to count for the 6th skill but it's kind not there technically since it's not in the gear

[hexed steppe]

well its only a skilltier when in hand as well

[covert meadow]

Hold on

Now the your saying to replace chest with glass hanna?

Could wyvern work being you get skill damage there?

[hexed steppe]

it can, but hanna gives 10, wyvern 8. sacrifice is bis for that setup, but if you feel you are losing damage then those 2 with glass can work

i only run sacrifice on my setups tho

been putting in work i can seee. those yellow grupo are pain to farm

[covert meadow]

I mean I have the official piece in the pic, it's just that I'm not gaining anything attribute wise, except that maxed haste mod the other attributes are pointless no?

Yes they are!!!!

[hexed steppe]

when you use this are you getting good stacks up with capacitor, and proccing combined arms before the mortar hits

[covert meadow]

Let me see about number in range real quick that's only thing I didn't do, with my original I was 114% haste

[hexed steppe]

yeah the attribute doesnt matter as much. its trading the skilldamage attribute for an extra 5% amp

[hexed steppe]

yeah that shoulkd be a 9sec cooldown mortar, or close to that

[covert meadow]

Hmn

Ok I'm kinda confused smh lol

I'm getting 9 shells to begin with unless I'm missing something I'm not seeing a countdown from 9 and I'm averaging 1.7 mill a hit

Approximately

Ahh....

Yeah ur right

[hexed steppe]

should be much higher. if you have the unlock from demo or a mod, you should +1 mortar, 10 shells total

[covert meadow]

9.8

[hexed steppe]

thats nice

[covert meadow]

Stats page incoming

[hexed steppe]

armored targets see a bit more that redbar targets since capacitor has dta

[hexed steppe]

if its a cold shot, use the shotgun to proc an instant 30% then start stacking with cap before the second shot

oic

[covert meadow]

Yep I have the mop linked with sync to

[hexed steppe]

i run around 100% haste. i think you can hit ~ 130ish with haste on everything

[covert meadow]

Yeah and see that was with my original maxed out glass I had before this piece

[hexed steppe]

oh ps agents cant turn on damage numbers in chat box, can they

[covert meadow]

Only thing it was 5 tier

I don't think so never seen that

[hexed steppe]

the stats page doesnt show everything proc afaik. need to look at the damage numbers

like floating dmg numbers or on pc chat readout

[covert meadow]

Oh yeah I have those

On the side

My fault

Let me give you a raw set from range

[fresh fox]

just use a providence

providence + foxes is better for tac 50 and i like the tac 50

i don’t care for 4pc gotshot

i’m not determined noob

[hexed steppe]

who got shot?

[hazy steeple]

Note to self: petition to change name of the hotshot+determined setup in the spreadsheet.

[onyx sage]

potshot hotshot gotshot.

[fair dragon]

4pac

[rich lotus]

Yes

[versed summit]

It’s more than just hotshot though.

IMO it should be called Headhunter setups or something though.

[subtle bluff]

We cooking names again?

"The HHot Setup"

🤪 😂 @versed summit @onyx sage

[onyx sage]

Hot's Hot

[dry tendon]

I’ve got a solid Striker set up for DPS, but if I want to do Paradise Lost, should I go for a Future Initiative build so I can fill support?

[versed summit]

Yes.

An oxi build is also good for the first phase, but less useful and easy to put together than FI

[rich lotus]

Incursion Tank build

[subtle bluff]

You should of watched the stream me and cope found doing a +3 hours incursion with a tank build.

[versed summit]

Oh no

[tame crane]

On the Famas, is it the move to drop the 10% CHD Mag for 15 more rounds? I like the famas but the only 30 round mag is bothering me

[solar sable]

go for it, it's not that big of a difference imo

[terse scroll]

helloo, what should i do to improve this build and get 1shots on Heroic? currently I can chain together 1shots on Challenging pretty consistently but it falls off in Heroic.

i've been trying to get better Hotshot gear but not having that much luck

[fair dragon]

Change chest piece talent to Headhunter

And Backpack talent to Vigilance

[urban latch]

Changing those talents will be a night and day difference

[terse scroll]

Ahh I need another Apollo Pack because this one won't let me recalibrate, I think I replaced the Headshot damage attrib before I realized

[solar sable]

why apollo? Use Airaildi and get those attributes to Headshot dmg and weapon handling instead of blue ones

[terse scroll]

that's the name of the backpack, it is Airaildi though

[solar sable]

oh shit I didn't realise
I'm sleepy

try to get what I mentioned earlier

[terse scroll]

ahah all good, i'm new so not sure how to reference pieces still yet

yeah i'm in a countdown atm just getting some backpacks, I should be able to reroll the talents after this

[solar sable]

gl!

[hexed steppe]

Brand/gearset + gear type (glove,chest, etc).
Named items, can just use name.
Exo also just use name.
Red/blue/yellow + item/build represents dominant core layout (yellow sacrifice, red futue initiative, blue striker, etc), is a shorthand to communicate build type.

[ruby mason]

Hey, I am back to the game after a while off (the last time I played, Paradise Lost was brand new) and I am looking to put together a seeker mine build for these new journey missions. I have most things unlocked, decent amount of expertise and a full recalibration library. I can grind Countdown for any pieces I need.

Probably easiest to put together a skill build based on explosive damage, I already have a skill and a status build

[proven merlin]

depends on the type of skill build you want to use

like, refractor will heal you per skill dmg you use

[honest moss]

Hard wired will let you spam them every 10-5 seconds depending on the bag but a high end explo/skill damage will do more damage.

[proven merlin]

You can use HW and BTSU gloves to instantly get back your thing after every use but at the cost of being forced to use a hive

[versed summit]

You should always be taking the plus 20 or plus 15 mag

[tame crane]

Yeah I went with that, def not enough with 30 bullets

[ruby mason]

Does the Collecter chest piece affect the seeker mine?

[proven merlin]

no

[ruby mason]

Bummer

[honest moss]

Not that i know of. But DTTOOC will, unsure if the DTA does

[proven merlin]

collector is grenade affinity

not sure how it would affect seeker in the first place

[ruby mason]

Kinda hoped that the programmers didnt differentiate between mine and grenade

[proven merlin]

seeker is a skill so

it wouldnt fall under grenade regardless

[onyx sage]

dttooc doesn't yeah

[brittle drift]

Me using Umbra set in the countdown. Hold on guys I need to stay in cover for like 5s

I mean I love Umbra. Just not in countdown

But then I go to take that control point and it is awesome

[onyx sage]

NPCs: "okay yeah you go do that nbd"

[cerulean smelt]

i'd suggest you use something else in countdown if you decide to keep running it
but yeah i can imagine outside of countdown it's a nice feeling to use it

[brittle drift]

So you guys have different gear depending on the situation? I suppose that is what loadouts are for? Never used loadouts yet

[onyx sage]

yeah

[cerulean smelt]

Pretty much, can only have 16 per character

Think some people even utilize 1 character dedicated to particular things

[versed summit]

It’s what different characters are for lol

[brittle drift]

I only have one

[cerulean smelt]

Like I read someone has 1 red character builds, 1 blue and 1 yellow while they destroy the 4th for mule running

[onyx sage]

yeah in legendary even for optimal play you have at least 2 loadouts for example

[versed summit]

Yeah that’s awful tbh

[brittle drift]

Do you switch the loadout during a fight?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i'm like how can one obtain 16 different builds for each colors?

[onyx sage]

you switch them before encounters, because you can only do them out of combat

[brittle drift]

Ah ok

[cerulean smelt]

unless you want to be a sweatlord in having multiple builds under one specialization and do the hot swapping

i honestly think one might die mid swapping XD

[versed summit]

Well that’s not the hard part

[cerulean smelt]

well, i know there's a lot of red builds, but i can only think of like 2 or 3 blues and 1 or 2 yellows
but yeah i know can just take some of the reds and convert them into the other 2 colors

[honest moss]

Ohh mb, ty!!

[cerulean smelt]

here i'm thinking that one video i watched where a player did a lot of swapping just to solo incursion
yeah no thanks, too much work for me to want to solo it once

[onyx sage]

few good rules to remember: explosive, burn, and bleed damage benefit from dta, dttooc is only oxi and demolisher firefly

[versed summit]

Just check out iKia’s build collection lol, plenty of diffeeent builds for each lol

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i really never knew. shame i learned that pummel could affect oxi the way it did just shortly before they patched it

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i gotta remember how i got to their hobby in the first place. been there once and was like wow, so many builds!

[main estuary]

Oh god, I slept late. Anyways Here are the photos I meant to send since last night ToT. Horrid quality ik but work with me here im playing off a tv older then my little brother (hes 6 ToT)

[humble acorn]

Best Assault Riffle for this build? What I have now feels good

[violet juniper]

probably Lexington, but St Elmo's is just as good

nothing really needs to be changed from what I can see

[cerulean smelt]

i tried the holster. not a fan of it honestly. too gimmicky of let me swap weapons to get a damage boost but if you can make it work all the power to you (> <) i just suck at swapping weapons

[humble acorn]

Which talent?

Switch to technicial spec and go flatline?

[violet juniper]

no

[cerulean smelt]

strained i think?

[violet juniper]

I prefer to use measured ngl, but killer is good too

strained is only good on slow firing weapons

[glad heart]

Strained is the usual talent

[violet juniper]

Numbers wise, measured and killer are the top talents

[humble acorn]

Measured it is

[cerulean smelt]

i use it for a similar build and it's not disappointing me honestly

[violet juniper]

With centurion you'll get a lot more fire rate too lol

[humble acorn]

But the holster I'm using you aren't, my fire rate would be to high

[violet juniper]

Strained is decent

[humble acorn]

I'll try all 3

[violet juniper]

I love cold relations, even though it kinda sucks

[humble acorn]

That gun just feels good

[violet juniper]

exactly!

[humble acorn]

Lexington with Measured definitly out performing my St Elmo, thank you

[cerulean smelt]

like this is what i run with currently. used to be fox's and fenris, but i had to try out turmoil with it. can't say i'm disappointed with results of it

[violet juniper]

Bullet spray for the win

[cerulean smelt]

i got flak for dimishing returns because of the build though, but i find it fun now

👀 devs, bring back teh speed run leagues i dare you (> <)

[humble acorn]

I like the idea of turmoil but it just doesn't do much

[violet juniper]

A few people in the servers take DPS a lil bit too seriously

[humble acorn]

Few?

[violet juniper]

it's not a bad thing, they do know their stuff, but it can get overwhelming

like yes, I know if I use strikers I'll get more damage, but at the same time I'd rather throw rocks at a wall

just an example, but you get the gist

[cerulean smelt]

nods probably the same one's who only ran sharpshooter spec with AR builds back in the day when you see a sharpshooter but they weren't using mmrs

[violet juniper]

These are the two variations I run

the second variation I usually have 5 red cores

[cerulean smelt]

the gears 2.0 i feel needed to happen to get a bit more flavor for builds. before then i didn't see much different builds as i do now

as long as you're not like the few "help i need more damage what do?" then you see them with 1 blue core and tell them to change that out "but then i'm squishy" you can't be tank and do damage so suit yourself

[humble acorn]

Can't take and do damage? I beg to differ lmao

Easiest legendary build of my life, unkillable and great damage

Swap the Gila for a second Belstone and it would be better but I haven't found the piece yet

[violet juniper]

I run vigi and PGC to counteract the armour core

I just like having that tiny bit of safety

[cerulean smelt]

honestly looking at it. i'd say scorpio is doing the carrying of damage

[humble acorn]

It is the main weapon so yea lmao

[cerulean smelt]

i hope we'll get random attributes on a turmoil.
think i'd give your build a shot but
turmoil knees, picaro's holster for swapping stuff around

[terse scroll]

TY for the build advice, I finally managed to get a Heroic run in and its definitely working well for 1shots in Heroic!!

[empty rune]

Shiny monkey worth the use currently for skill builds?

[violet juniper]

Depends on the build

Axel (named kneepads) are decent

[empty rune]

I see. Was wanting to maybe do something with axel with its talent

Axels a bp

Grease are the pads

Would Axel and Everyday be something to look into is is that too big a dmg loss?

Usually run Kinetic but the overcharge every 30 seconds sounds kinda baller.

[subtle bluff]

Looks like a PvP build more than PvE build.

[subtle bluff]

Most likely his team doing damage.

[subtle bluff]

It really depends on the skills, some skill a really good with OC some not has big of a buff. There is the idea of using Survivlist with Everyday.

[empty rune]

ahhh ok. is there a list or sheets somewhere on what skills are good with oc or not? usually look through the hub sheet but maybe i missed it

[subtle bluff]

It's in the sheets in the skills, need to scroll over to OC to see.

[humble acorn]

Solo Legendary, say what you want but playing with it speaks for itself

[subtle bluff]

With modifiers sure.

[humble acorn]

Modifiers? I turn whatever that momentum shit is off

[subtle bluff]

Video/Pic can say 1000 words.

[humble acorn]

You're validation means nothing lmao. I'll continue to clear Lengendady content with ease

[subtle bluff]

It’s the spread of misinformation is what I care about.

[humble acorn]

Don't care, lol

[peak meadow]

Post a video

[gloomy spruce]

Interesting build. A few questions.
Which legendaries do you use this build to solo?

How effective is it on Mini-Tanks?

How effective is it against the Roosevelt Quadcopters and other foes that are difficult to handle at close range?

I would love to learn more about the approach and tactics you use.

[willow hinge]

A video would be very helpful to new players.

[fair dragon]

Should hire back the OG team of.... The MythBusters

[cerulean smelt]

at least you were thinking. i forgot about them quadcopters 😹

[cerulean smelt]

that's my take on it XD take away scorpio and there's no damage as they indicate they do

@subtle bluff i just await them coming here "what do? i can't do damage to certain things"

@gloomy spruce i'd love to see their strategies on Master missions with that build 🤔

[onyx sage]

honestly master is easier with that build than full red

there's a lot of capture the flag objectives

[cerulean smelt]

even this new one coming?

[onyx sage]

the old one

[cerulean smelt]

think they'll copy paste it but in a new mission area?

[onyx sage]

not sure

[fair dragon]

They never said they used that build on Master though

[subtle bluff]

Master is really not hard after you understand it. I'm use Reds more now to carry.

[onyx sage]

i know, putting it out there but capturing the flag is easier with it. though you can use red builds just fine, i have tons of videos clearing it with full red

[cerulean smelt]

come to think of it. i need to see how turmoil changes it (> <)

[subtle bluff]

I didn't use turmoil. There's a meme'ing leggo run atm.

[cerulean smelt]

i kind of figured, but i think i might have to give it a run with turmoil and see how it fairs in there (> <)

[onyx sage]

it's more optimal knowing how to kite and leaving ads alive

[cerulean smelt]

like the turret in the first room, you can shoot those and the damage will transfer for whatever reason. clear areas pretty good i'd think

[onyx sage]

with turmoil you might accidentally kill more than you want

especially during hacking phases

[cerulean smelt]

i'm just that guy "i want to murder all!" and then be like oh

[fair dragon]

Easy, you just stop at the 574th shot

[cerulean smelt]

though, from what i've attempted i don't think this current season transfers to past season in terms of modifiers does it?

[onyx sage]

nope

[grim rover]

So I hit 40 recently and am working back through the DC strongholds before going to anything else.

Demolitionist- I got a full umbra set (from the shadows) with an AR and Marksman (stabilize/in sync) I've been prioritizing all red with emphasis on CHC/CHD but am wondering if there's anything I could easily do before moving on.

I've been trying to fill up my library from all my junk and just tinkering everything to all red while running turret and cluster /seeker mine

[pastel basin]

Is there any meta dark zone solo build?

[shy willow]

When you say full umbra set do you mean 6 pieces or 4

Also you'll definitely want better weapon talents

On the right track with full red/crit tho

[hazy steeple]

There's a big list of them in the 📌 pinned-message of this channel > spreadsheet 2 > builds > PvP (at the top of the list). Read the description for each build.
GL Agent

[fair dragon]

Most likely 4pc cuz no one is gonna say "I have a 2/3 Umbra build"

[hazy steeple]

We've had someone ask if a 3pc Striker build w/no NBB was okay.

Assume very little.

[pastel basin]

In your opinion, what do you think would be the best one, because I was thinking of going with this

[hazy steeple]

Bighorn in PVP is very popular right now for sure, I see it talked about all the time.
I do know that Umbra right now has a lot of people complaining about how OP it is, but that might be more of a Conflict thing.

[subtle bluff]

Especially that we had a conflict event recently.

Umber is much stronger in conflict you can kind prep before fighting at least easier than DZ.

[pastel basin]

What would be the difference between dz pvp and just conflict? Just got the game a few days ago lol

[cerulean smelt]

conflict you queue up for and get taken away to a different area not on the map

DZ you walk into at your own peril and run about looking for things to kill players or NPCs

[fair dragon]

And expertise system is disabled in Conflict

[tulip charm]

Shd bonus disabled aswell iirc

[terse scroll]

is this worth recal / optimizing or just keep running for a better roll of the item?

[grim rover]

4 piece

[grim rover]

I figured. I libraried a bunch but not sure really what to use. I'll have to look it up

[shy willow]

For ARs the contenders are generally measured, strained, fast hands and maybe optimist

[grim rover]

Oh it let me post em now lol

[grim rover]

Think I got some of those. Thanks boss

[shy willow]

Its a decent start

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/04221346-c26f-27f0-a259-4b54909dffd3/2356942e6095b3adc1e0d412527bf073

Umbra guide

[grim rover]

I've just been Rollin wit umbra because somehow all 4 pieces fell into my lap but it's pretty solid so far

I keep seeing all red and striker videos but the striker stuff was in that thing with the levels and figured I'd do all the outposts first

[hexed steppe]

how far past crit chance are you?

[hexed steppe]

which legendary? also, what are the average clear times you see with the build solo? 🤔

[steady ridge]

Replace gloves and chest piece

Put a coyotes mask and the gift bp

Then youll be solid

[steady ridge]

Nah its a conflict thing, I cannot for my life finish a bighorn regen dude, full red unbra coyotes mask the gift and st elmo, these DZ regen are stupidly OP

[trail surge]

idk where to start on fixing my build, this is maybe a few days old as im at lvl 79 SDH...#help

[solar sable]

whatchu want?
Skill, DPS, Hybrid?
Anyways there's a pinned Spreadsheet in this channel with every build.

[livid rover]

Where you find this been looking for it for ages

[cerulean smelt]

it's a walker and harris named item. so probably either a really lucky chest TL drop or they ran something where Walker and Harris is target loot

[livid rover]

I've tried that and even did a descent too

And not been lucky

[cerulean smelt]

decent gives no loot what so ever

unless you consider currency loot

[livid rover]

So im not sure where else to look at

I tried summit. A few levels

I always get skill tier equipment

[cerulean smelt]

skill tier equipment, did you change the target loot before you go into summit?

[livid rover]

Erm no

Where is that

[cerulean smelt]

before you go into summit there's an option to change target loot

hmm, game locked up on me :/
i just moused over it in NY not sure if you can see where on my screen says H Select Target loot

think you can also use countdown to change the target loot there as well

yeah, countdown can do the same

[half bloom]

I just tried Conflict a couple times and it sucks because I'm always matched against people in the same clan coordinating through voice chat, while I'm with randos, I wonder if DZ is any better.

[fair dragon]

Nope

[livid rover]

Ok I'll try these

Ty

[tame crane]

This one is amazing, the one I use myself

And I have one wrong roll on Matador, yet I win easilly all the time in Conflict

[livid rover]

Still no

Did countdown. It says increased loot walker and Harris

And none of them dropped the chainkiller

[subtle bluff]

Just keep going.

If things were easy it wasn't be a "Loot em Shooot em" game.

My advice is farm up other builds and piece it'll just popped at a point.

[livid rover]

Been farming for months

[subtle bluff]

use the named caches then

[cerulean smelt]

have you been praying to lootcifer? making your daily sacrifices?

[livid rover]

Yes

[terse scroll]

Countdown and targeted Walker Harris, got it first try too after i finally realised to do that

[tame crane]

For Lengmo Pesti DPS build, what attribute do I want on the Pesti? CHD?

[winter rune]

can somebody send a pic of targeted loot on the map

[hoary sail]

what brand u need?

[winter rune]

i need rifles in dz

[hoary sail]

try named caches at countdown vendor. No rifles in dz today

[winter rune]

i dont like countdown

[hazy steeple]

You best get to Summit then, it's a distant second for loot farming, but it is up there.

[pastel basin]

On an assault rifle, would dmg to out of cover enemies be better than crit dmg?

[hazy steeple]

@pastel basin dtooc is the best 3rd stat for pretty much every weapon in the game.

the only one where it's not is an LMG, because that already has dtooc.

[pastel basin]

What would be first and second?

[hazy steeple]

The first 2 stats on a gun are locked, they can't be changed.

e.g. all SMG's have CHC (crit chance).

[pastel basin]

Ohhhhh okay ty

[tame crane]

@worthy kraken This is a great Solo PVE, PVE in general build that will get you all you need

[pastel basin]

Wait so what would be the best 3rd stay for lmgs? CHD?

[proven merlin]

probably chc

[tame crane]

Probably depends, if you run Coyote with LMG build, you want to hit the minimum of 50% CHC, so if youre lacking on that a CHC on the LMG would help

[magic pilot]

IH tanks have been added to the google sheet!

[versed summit]

CHC on crit builds or DTA on other builds

[magic pilot]

if only someone would made a guide tailored around lmgs like pestilence!

[magic pilot]

Pesti builds added to google sheet as well as Blue OD, and PFE

[cerulean smelt]

i have to see this! 🤔

[pastel basin]

For this raid build, all the attributes are just haz/ armor regen?

[cerulean smelt]

lol, here i was like looks like someone just hit 40 and put on random things
if it's a raid build i'd say probably Iron horse raid alone and that'd be my guesss, haz pro and armor regen

[urban latch]

Yes

[worthy kraken]

is the eagle bearer "the best" AR out there?

[cerulean smelt]

probably depends on personal preferences

[worthy kraken]

pretty hard to find a preference since there s so many options out there lol

i really like the weapon chameleon but see ppl saying it s bad, but some yt vids show it shredding everything so IDK

[onyx sage]

some videos will show you have unrealistic buffs or not playing in solo so they may not be reflective of its true power

there are reasons why it's not used in the hardest content

[worthy kraken]

thought so, Im looking at this spreadsheet here and will probably follow that

I was just wondering which AR I should farm for before I get eagle bearer in the raid cuz ill prob grind for it

[tame crane]

Nothing wrong with using what you like, just most of the time it wont be optimal and a waste of time lol

[worthy kraken]

yeah unfortunately I am a meta slave and I actually like that

i just cant find the meta cuz that spreadsheet has like 10 builds or more

[onyx sage]

the problem with chameleon is it requires too much time to stack and the buffs go away when you swap to another weapon. that's not even accounting for its awful spread

[tame crane]

Striker DPS

[onyx sage]

these are the things that need to be told

[worthy kraken]

yeah on paper sounds good but in practice I imagine it s not that good

[tame crane]

Just get the one with 4pc Strikers, Ceska chest and Coyote and you will be good

[worthy kraken]

aight

[tame crane]

Its not that good, hence no one uses it

St. Elmo’s your best friend thats meta meta

[worthy kraken]

and weapon that goes well with the 4pc striker?

[onyx sage]

realistically you will want to swap weapons because each weapons excels in their own effective range, like ARs from mid to long and SMGs/shotguns at close

[tame crane]

In the spreedsheet it will tell you all viable options, i personally use St. Elmo’s, and have a build with Ouroboros for close encounters

[onyx sage]

and it not really allowing for that playstyle is its biggest downside

elmo is super consistent, that's why most people use it, and it's still relevant in hard content

[tame crane]

Yup cant go wrong with it

[tame crane]

This is how your basic strikers dps look slike

ACS12 for getting quick Strikers stack, usually im not bothered in normal missions, but good to get them up in for example Incursion when Wright jumps out, you get max stacks before the ADS come out to deal most possible dmg

And I have a second loadout like this just with Ouroboros, you want at least 50% CHC and dump rest in CHD and youll be good

Ceska with Obliterate, but you will find all that info in the spreadsheet 😄

[dreamy valve]

I find ACS12 with brazen to be a good dps weapon on its own with strikers

Don’t even need to switch to another weapon

[rich lotus]

🥱

[rich lotus]

nailed it!!

[cerulean smelt]

i feel the main issue with it is. it's classified as an AR but the firing of it is more like an SMG. probably would've been fine if they kept it as an SMG

[maiden lark]

Hi everyone, I've started playing again after two years. I'm playing with the striker set. Which weapon (assault rifle) do you recommend? And which mask/backpack should I wear?

[tame crane]

St.Elmo's, Coyote Mask, Ceska Chest with Obliterate Talent, rest Strikers

[maiden lark]

Thanks man

[tame crane]

No worries, if you use Elmo, you need one CHC mod, to get above the 50% CHC

Rest CHD

[maiden lark]

I have to get St. Elmo first. Where can I get it?

[tame crane]

Countdown with Targeted Loot AR's and you will get it in no time

Other AR's like Famas is a good substitute, but Elmos is so easy to get, so I recommend just getting it

Also if you want something for close range, I just switch out Elmos with Ouroboros, With Ouro you get a CHC attribute already on it, so then I just put All CHD mods on gear, and youre good to go

[maiden lark]

Thanks for the quick reply, bro. I'll get on it then.

[tame crane]

You're welcome 🙏 good luck

[tame crane]

Would this be somewhat usable, got unlucky with the rolls on Lengmo pieces...but at least some attributes are okay

Obviously trying to get good rolls, but for now as an alternative

[primal pebble]

what about the difficuity?

[tame crane]

Challenging if youre beggining, Heroic if you got a good strikers

[primal pebble]

but like does the difficulty matter in getting exotics

[tame crane]

I do not believe so no

[primal pebble]

ah okay ty bro

[tame crane]

All CD loot is Heroic difficulty, Challenging is just most commonly run by people, so easiest to get a group

And its quite easier than Heroic, so easier to complete with bad randoms...

[primal pebble]

cd meaning?

[tame crane]

countdown

[primal pebble]

ty bro

[gray crescent]

Anyone got any good raid builds I should go for? I am trying to get my hands on any of those illusive weapons, I am not versed in the ways of the raids but I wanna start off with a competent build before I get into it first

[urban latch]

pinned google doc has a bunch of build guides. Ideally for the raids you have a high end dps build, but a striker build is easier to put together and works alright'

@gray crescent

[tame crane]

Why for raids would the High End DPS be better? Because it does more dmg out right or?

[gray crescent]

What do you recommend then? I am brand new to the raids

[subtle bluff]

You don't need high peak dps for raids. So things like Striker & HB are a lil slower to kill things. But strikers still works if nothing.

[modern night]

Striker with a auto shotty and your fine

[subtle bluff]

You don't have time build stacks in raids they need to just die asap.

That's the point of why HE DPS works fine in raids.

[modern night]

Brother if you can’t kill a add coming out a door with striker and a auto shotty I don’t think the build is the issue

[subtle bluff]

If you're not close them then what?

[tame crane]

Yeah sure Striker works, just curious to hear why Raucey might think High End is better 🙂

[modern night]

Then use your ar

[subtle bluff]

I feel like I'm repeating myself

[modern night]

I say use both and choose what you like

[versed summit]

It’s just easier to not have to worry about stacks

[subtle bluff]

Both HE and Striker work in IH and most of DH.
HE does more DPS off the bat.
Striker does more after you have stacks.

[modern night]

It also depends on what boss we’re talking about and what position

[subtle bluff]

Keeping this simple for a new person.
Yes you're not wrong but we didn't have strikers when IH was first out.

[modern night]

If your on an add door let’s say for boomer your better off using high end or nego

I personally feel for me on boss 2 and boss 3 and razor I don’t find to many issue maintaining stacks but that’s just me

[subtle bluff]

Stop... This to help someone that brand new to raids. You don't need to explain this stuff.

[urban latch]

its about up front damage vs building stacks. The ad density in raids is quite low compared to the rest of the game as well. so in many fights you'll spend a good chunk of time at low stacks. Imo its also better for newer players doing mechanics since they dont need to worry about maintaining stacks, they just focus on the mechanics.

[tame crane]

Thats what I thought, thanks 😄

[urban latch]

high end vs strikers ultimately comes down to which boss your on anyways. Im not trying to say I always use HE and never strikers, but tbh I end up only really using strikers for buddy/lucy typically (when not one shotting with HE) and the rest I end up still using HE. And thats using a mixture of HE builds setup for specific bosses

You can run a DCH + regulus combo on a strikers, but it just fits better on a HE build, and thats a large part of what makes my decision

[steady ridge]

I needa find the most killer DPS build possible

Full red umbra with coyote mask and the gift is awesome, but theres gotta be something more (not a stupid strikers)

[solar sable]

strikers

There are other dps builds
Nego for example

[steady ridge]

Nah

Theres gotta be something i be missing

[onyx sage]

if you don't mean strictly DPS then there's always headhunter and its many variants

[steady ridge]

My dps stacks to almost 300 CHD with full stack

[onyx sage]

cuz headhunter isn't "DPS"

[steady ridge]

I mean

[cerulean smelt]

that's all?

[steady ridge]

I was looking at a status effect build with bleed

[steady ridge]

W h a t

[onyx sage]

yeah that's not cutting legendary

[solar sable]

you're looking for a pvp build not a pve one, you just asked in pvp discussions

[steady ridge]

Like a ridgeway bleed build with creeping death

[steady ridge]

Nah i need both

Cause countdowns using my DZ build sucks

[onyx sage]

that build doesn't work in pve

[steady ridge]

I use a red blue core mix

[onyx sage]

pve and pvp have different builds

[steady ridge]

Im very aware

[onyx sage]

pve meta is striker and headhunter

[steady ridge]

PvE 3b 3r core umbra

[onyx sage]

lower difficulties have more options

[subtle bluff]

CHD isn't better than something that give flat % dmg. 😐

[cerulean smelt]

from what i was told and read up on diminishing returns i imagine in your head it's 300 chd but it's probably a lot lower than that honestly

[steady ridge]

😔

[subtle bluff]

He's talking about for PvP.
DZ and Conflicts can and will run very different builds.

[onyx sage]

it really depends on what options you have and what chd you have currently

[cerulean smelt]

i never delved that deep before. i just play here

[onyx sage]

i can give you an example give me a sec

let's say you have the choice between getting 24% more chd and using a chc fox for more dttooc. the point where you'd rather take fox over more chd is around 158% chd

meaning if you're over this chd threshold, you'd rather take fox

the thing is you have to determine this for all the other options there are, like contractor, bloody knuckles, etc. so there's no static "cap" for chd

so just try not to think of there being a "cap" for chd because it doesn't exist

it's just "which options are better"

[cerulean smelt]

here i assumed there was a max stat to it so even if you go over that max. instead of 1% could be like .9% then another 1 drops to like .8% kind of thing

[onyx sage]

that kind of mechanic does exist in other games so i know what you're referring to

in div however there's no such

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 you're making me want to test out backfire with my build (> <)

[worthy kraken]

What is HE dps?

[cerulean smelt]

High End damage per second

IE 6 yellow gears on

[worthy kraken]

So in the spreadsheet

The yellow category, are the high end ones?

[cerulean smelt]

no the yellow is skill builds

Red Weapon Damage
Blue Armor
Yellow Skill

[worthy kraken]

And what s a high end dps build

[worthy kraken]

Gotcha, my poit was why isnt striker high end

Arent both end game gear?

(Im new to the game)

[tame crane]

High End just means its not Gear Set, like Strikers.

[cerulean smelt]

striker isn't high end because it's green gear which you have to wear 4 pieces to benefit from it fully

[worthy kraken]

I just hit level 40 and I wanna start grinding for the proper pieces and start doing raids ASAP

[onyx sage]

striker is a gear set item, not a brand set item (i.e. high end)

[worthy kraken]

So where do u drop high end items

[cerulean smelt]

mostly challenging/heroic/legendary

[worthy kraken]

Same as where u drop the strikers?

Oh ok fair enough

[tame crane]

Wouldnt you want that with Providence Holster and slap a Coyote on that?

[onyx sage]

ye

[cerulean smelt]

you can get them in normal and hard, but they're rare mostly

[worthy kraken]

Okk and which build in the spreadsheet is high end

[onyx sage]

it works regardless, doesn't matter that much honestly in raid

[cerulean smelt]

probably, but i don't like coyote

[onyx sage]

"Standard Red DPS"

[worthy kraken]

Or is there any meta build out there on yt that I can watch?

[tame crane]

I see haha

[onyx sage]

don't watch yt for builds

[cerulean smelt]

i solo mostly so it's just a fun build for me currently

[worthy kraken]

Oh so standard means high end

[onyx sage]

we just call it different names

[cerulean smelt]

👀 devs give me some league runs already air boxes

[tame crane]

No, Standard just means its a Standard build, haha, but yeah you will find it under "Standard DPS"

[cerulean smelt]

from my point of view Strikers would be a standard build. it gets recommended to players that freshly hit 40 for obvious reasons, but to me it's standard

[worthy kraken]

So Providence

Is a high end gearset

[cerulean smelt]

my build i pictured you'd probably get frustrated a lot XD

[bright raptor]

brand set, but you get the idea

[worthy kraken]

Lol so striker is a gear ser and providence a brand set

[cerulean smelt]

yes

[worthy kraken]

Interresting

Are these items dropping in the DZ at the same rates as in missions?

[cerulean smelt]

if you get a green glow it's a gear set, yellow/purple/light green/blue/grey it's a brandset. the other colors is on the lower lower levels. like 1-20 maybe?

[bright raptor]

brands give a bunch of stat bonuses as you get 1-3 pieces of them

gearsets give bonuses too, but the main bonus is the gearset talent that shapes how it works and how you play it

[tame crane]

Def not

[bright raptor]

no, unfortunately (or fortunately) the Division 2 Dark Zones are not good sources for loot

[tame crane]

Glass will be fine on a High End build right?

[worthy kraken]

Ah 😦 TD1 DZ was one of the best things for my highschool years

[bright raptor]

yes, once you figure out playing with Glass

[cerulean smelt]

glass cannon? sure, but i wouldn't recommend it to a new player though XD

[tame crane]

Not a rookie here so Ill be fine😎

Never used Glass like that tho wanna give it a shot

[cerulean smelt]

mine's nerfed XD

[tame crane]

The Gift is DZ exclusive right?

[cerulean smelt]

believe so? but you can use a regular vigilence anyways

4sec cool down perfect 3 second

[bright raptor]

^or open named caches until you get a good one

[cerulean smelt]

do you believe 1 second matters that much?

[bright raptor]

no, I run it just because I did get a great one from a cache

[cerulean smelt]

lucky

think i had to do alot of optimizing on mine

[rich lotus]

Hey guys anyone got a good PvP/dz build for a marksman rifle I have the new hand basket wanna see if I can use it in dz

[past ridge]

Hello everyone. is posting a screenshot the best way to share a build ? Just making sure since you don't always see roll % on screenshots

[hazy steeple]

Sure, just post a screenshot of the main build page, and one of the stats page with relevant stats (usually the crit bits).

[fresh fox]

as long as you can tell us what the stats on the pieces are it’s fine

[past ridge]

Ok so that's my build, a standard HHot build (Headhunter Hotshot).

• I believe I have the correct gear pieces, brand wise
• All gear pieces have Weapon Damage and Headshot attributes. All Mod core are Head Shot damage
• I also have a White Death with Determined, and the Nemesis. I run the SR1 mostly because of preferences, I like how the gun feels

At the moment I can run through Heroic Control Points (one or two directives only so far) without any issue beside me playing bad.

I of course struggle a bit when I get multiple rushers with a helmet, or multiple chunga. I believe that's also "normal".

Running CP in 4 heroic is not working well yet, I can not reliably oneshot purple ennemies so it's a bit painful to stack the gun. I tried a match making in Legendary, and I think I impressed my teammates (all above 4000 shd) at how little damage I did 😁

Overall, I believe I am on the right track and I just need to farm more SHD levels (getting to 800 would be a good starting point), finish maxing the headshot / weapon damage stats everywhere, and grind my expertise level.

I am just looking for feedback to indeed confirm I'm on the right track 😁

[patent fossil]

you can use the TAC-50 or a stronger sniper (White Death or Nemesis) for first stack when you don't have any reds to build off, then switch to SR-1 for follow up shots

[worthy kraken]

does coyote mask go over the 60% CHC cap?

also, do people actively swap between AR and their secondary in raids or it's mostly AR? If yes, why do u swap?

[onyx sage]

please don't call it HHot...

[onyx sage]

you swap depending on your enemy's range

it's done everywhere not just raids

[worthy kraken]

i mean cant u usually just walk up to them and beam them?

[urban latch]

cap is still 60%

[past ridge]

I liked the suggestion avkce 😁

[worthy kraken]

so if u have coyote mask u shouldnt really go over 50

and take CHD instead

[onyx sage]

yes

[onyx sage]

imo HHot would expand to headhot which doesn't mean anything...

but HotHead does :p

[worthy kraken]

what s the max CHD u can have?

[cerulean smelt]

one build i've altered on my main. i'm sitting at 56% chc and 219% chd atm

that's not including the weapon talent

[worthy kraken]

what talent is that

[cerulean smelt]

currently i got strained on it

[worthy kraken]

i dont really get the last enemy u hit buff

like if I hit someone close and then change target to some1 far away the buff i get changes?

[cerulean smelt]

on coyotes? yes

[worthy kraken]

hmmm

25% CHD is nice

but how consistent is it compared to Grupo sombra 13%

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, one of the reasons i don't care for coyotes
i solo, and i've had times where npc is close and i get the buff and then watch them walk away from me, don't know if or when i get the medium range buff

[onyx sage]

for consistency you wouldn't really use coyote but most of the time you'll be triggering the mid buff

[worthy kraken]

i guess and even the mid buff is just 3% less CHD than Grupe sombra

[onyx sage]

any of the coyote buffs are stronger or competitive with grupo/ceska

[worthy kraken]

which is fine since the whole group does more dmg

[onyx sage]

well no the mid buff is stronger

because of the chc

[cerulean smelt]

so my personal preference i go with a grupo piece

[worthy kraken]

yeah correct

maybe in solo grupo could feel better

but im sure coyote is better in group since ur buffing every1

what is raid acceptable damage?

i need a better weapon talent I know

[onyx sage]

screenshot the build overview

[limpid niche]

incomplete build if it helps, but I'm wondering what the difference generally between high-end vs Hunter's Fury 4pc is for a headhunter build?

[onyx sage]

high end gives you more damage at range, hunters fury gives you more damage within its range and more sustain

[magic pilot]

Also HF is back end dmg

HE is upfront

[limpid niche]

does that mean HF is better once ur stacked up vs HE is better at no stacks?

[onyx sage]

yes

HF is better with full stacks

[worthy kraken]

what is HF

[onyx sage]

hunters fury

[magic pilot]

Hunters furry

[worthy kraken]

also is st elmo better than EB as of recent?

[patent fossil]

They're just different. Elmo has better handling, crit stats and some CC, EB makes you much tankier when you get the buff.

[worthy kraken]

so more dps with elmo

[magic pilot]

EB has more dps technically

[worthy kraken]

also, arethere higher chances in heroic to drop exotic?

also...where can i get better attachments?

[patent fossil]

Yes, heroic has higher chances of dropping exotics (although focusing priority objectives will be fastest approach).
Weapon attachment blueprints are part of the Control Point lvl 3/4 pool. Remember you have to craft them after getting the blueprint before you can use them.

[worthy kraken]

where do I craft them is the problem

[patent fossil]

at the crafting bench (white house, castle, haven, summit lobby...)

[maiden lark]

Hey agents,
Got a friend who just hit level 40 and is new to the game. He’s looking for a solid hybrid build that balances damage and survivability — not full glass cannon, but not a pure tank either.
Any meta or beginner-friendly setups you’d recommend?
Appreciate any help!

[patent fossil]

hunters fury, or maybe just strikers/ongoing directive with a memento and a couple of blue cores

[maiden lark]

Anyone got a cool build like that? Would be awesome if you could drop a screenshot or picture of your setup too

[patent fossil]

there's a spreadsheet linked in the pinned messages with a bunch of build guides

[prime elbow]

Is there a specific BiS talent for this pistol or it depends on what I'm running ?

[magic pilot]

It's mainly used to revive players in raids since it gives you an extra revive hive charge

[onyx sage]

i mostly run finisher as talent

[patent fossil]

sledgehammer maybe for extra tough bosses

[prime elbow]

can regular sledgehammer and the perfect sledgehammer stack?

[onyx sage]

no

[thin grail]

i got catharsis with those stats, does it a reconfigure?

[onyx sage]

would just optimize imo, exo comps are needed for expertise

[thin grail]

what should i optimize? core or armor regen?

(in case i solo pvp)

[onyx sage]

core, armor regen roll is super low anyway

[neat aurora]

hey guys so i used the level 30 boost after i bought the ultimate edition what builds i can use or how can i get good gear the missions is haard to do

[urban latch]

are you level 40 yet?

[terse scroll]

is this worth optimizing / recalibrating? I have a hard time deciding what to with all the loot i end up getting

[neat aurora]

no

[pastel basin]

For this build that was posted in the pinned spreadsheet for raids, what attribute would be rolled on the two pieces of cavalier? Haz protection?

Or would it be armor protection? I was reading it and it didn’t really specify all that much

[terse scroll]

what can i add to this build to make it a bit better?

It works great for Heroic except for Boss fights and some robots when I lose the chain killing I get from my Determind and Headhunter procs. I don't really know what secondary would work great since it mainly prioritizes MMRs.

Would an LMG with maybe dmg to armor + DTTOoC be worth? it doesn't really get any benefit from my gear set but would it still be worth?

[magic pilot]

@fresh fox

Armor is the core

Hazpro is the minor

[fresh fox]

heard

updated them all to be a bit more clear

[subtle bluff]

More HSD for bosses. If the build has everything, it should cap around 28-30 mill when using higher MMRs. You could always switch to your Tac 50, and that'll one-shot bosses.

[terse scroll]

It does with most bosses I think but I struggled a lot on Tidal Basin at the end with Wyvern, is that just the one specific boss that's a bit different to others?

[subtle bluff]

various. I'll use a Dread Edict for things that I can't get HH stacks.

[terse scroll]

true, i haven't used it with this build yet, mainly been using my SR1.
i'll keep working on getting more HSD on the gear pieces

Optimization resources is a real struggle ngl

[subtle bluff]

Keep doing CP to get the mats so you can just build optiization mats. You don't need to prefect optimization all the gear you're still low SHD good on you doing Heroics.

[oak rune]

Hey is it worth rerolling for damage out of cover for the chatterbox?

[magic pilot]

Yes

[worthy kraken]

is there a build where bloody knuckles fit in?

[urban latch]

its not really about fitting bloody knuckles into a build, it can fit into most dps builds, its more about what situations are worth running bloody knuckles in

[worthy kraken]

when do u start adding DooC substat? when ur arround 200 CHD and 55 CHC?

or u just only stack CHD and ignore DooC

i was a bit confused by the explanation in the spreadsheet

[glossy scarab]

always go dtoc

for third attribute. with a few exceptions

[subtle bluff]

You always want DTTooC.

[terse scroll]

would it be worth recalibrating the Police M4 to Ignited and using that instead or the Pyromaniac? or is this just not a weapon worth worrying about?

[magic pilot]

If you want something with ignited use the pyromaniac

[onyx sage]

if you want a m4 with ignited just use pyromaniac, no reason otherwise

not sure what the real question is, unless you want to use a m4 with a normal talent then just... do that

[terse scroll]

Police M4 has DTTOC and Pyro doesn't, was wondering if that's a significant enough attribute to change the Police M4 to be like the Pyromaniac

[onyx sage]

well do you need ignited?

if you need ignited get a new pyromaniac with dttooc, if you don't then use the normal m4

no reason to use a police m4 with non-perfect ignited when pyromaniac exists

[terse scroll]

Its more so I was just trying to clean out my bags from junk, still trying to figure out what's worth keeping/recalibarting/optimzing etc

[onyx sage]

well your pyromaniac is ruined because you didn't recalibrate the hsd to dttooc so you can deconstruct that, but you can farm another one

keep the normal m4 with dttooc, that one is good because you can put the talent you want on it

[terse scroll]

ty ty 🫡

[tough needle]

I'm looking to build a status effect build for the flamethrower specialization. Any good ideas?

[junior surge]

4pc eclipse (with chest and backpack with vile and an electrique piece. Status effects everywhere with skill haste mods. Fire chem launcher and burn sticky. It'll burn everything

[tough needle]

Thanks dude

[worthy kraken]

so what s the sweet spot for CHD CHC and DTTooC?

for a pure dps

third attribute?? u mean mod

[onyx sage]

no, third attribute on the gun

[worthy kraken]

or an LMG can have 2x DTTooC

correct?

[glossy scarab]

no

[tough needle]

How do I get a vile equipment piece?

[onyx sage]

farm mask targeted loot or open exo caches

[worthy kraken]

is it better to farm coyotee in JTF trade center or mask targeted loot?

[magic pilot]

You basically always want crit chance on lmg

[magic pilot]

Countdown unless mask is in Jefferson trade

[worthy kraken]

aight ok

is elmo really that good? I have it and it doesnt seem to be so so good that everyone is using it

[magic pilot]

I personally don't use it much anymore

[junior surge]

It's ok. The ARs are pretty well balanced in general rn, so there aren't any crazy outliers.

[glossy scarab]

me neither. its still solid. helps if its expertised and you have dtoc on it

[magic pilot]

Killgore is dead on, the ARs are all super close in dps

I would use whatever you are most comfortable with

[tough needle]

Elmo is OK. It's mainly good for immobilizing enemies due to its shock rounds.

[tame crane]

I love the Elmo for the Large Mag Size and the shock rounds saved my ass a couple of times so its a sweet option

[violet juniper]

Lexington and St Elmo's are the top but there's not a lot of difference in damage

[worthy kraken]

is this raid acceptable DPS so im not a burden?

[onyx sage]

show the build overview

this screen doesn't tell us anything besides crit

[worthy kraken]

do u see coyotee buff real time in ur stats screen?

[subtle bluff]

Go to the 📍 Pinned Message there's a Hight build that'll guide you better

[worthy kraken]

i literallly follow that

this is that, except i changed the weapon

[subtle bluff]

You don't have Fox's Prayers on and your talents aren't correct. Read it again.

[worthy kraken]

i mean yeah it s not 100%

thus my question if it s sufficient

also why fox prayer

i dont want rifle damage, i pref the extra 13 chd

[tame crane]

Fox Prayer for the DTTOOC

I believe after like 160% or something CHD, you benefit more from DTTOOC, if im not mistaken

[worthy kraken]

ohhh

u can have dttooc attribute

i thought they picked it for the rifle dmg omg

[tame crane]

Only select few named gear pieces have dttooc as their attribute 😄 Including Foxes

[subtle bluff]

DTTooC is its own DMG number basically it’s multiplicative number in the damage. If you don’t have it you want it.

So say your damage is 100k multiple w/e DTTooC you have on top of it.

Again read the guide it should explain everything better than I should here.

[worthy kraken]

yep got it, u want max DTTooC but

in my library i dont have that attribute

like is it only dropable or u can extract it as well?

[subtle bluff]

Not always. It isn’t in your library is only come’s on Fox’s.

[worthy kraken]

so I can only drop it

[subtle bluff]

Only Fox’s has it on gear. You can change it on weapons other than LMG’s.

[worthy kraken]

so only dropable on Fox gear

no attribute to extract

RNG god mercy

got it

[subtle bluff]

It’s a named gear piece. It’s not that bad.

[worthy kraken]

but then if it s so good why not go 3 piece fox

[subtle bluff]

NO no..

😐

[fickle swallow]

i’m not super new to div as a whole but i wanna get deeper into the game, i need either pestilence or kingbreaker and i was wondering whats the best way to grind those out, any shotgun recommendations would be nice to

[subtle bluff]

Go read the guide again. Oh heck look at the gear sheet you’ll see.

[worthy kraken]

ah, I see it s only on kneepads

[subtle bluff]

Kingbreaker isn’t good anymore.

Go look in the Pinned Messages

[fickle swallow]

bet appreciate it

[oblique osprey]

For my primary weapon sometimes the dmg is around 489k sometimes it’s 1.1M, why it’s different from time to time

[junior surge]

Depends how much weapon damage you have on your build and wether you are getting any buffs

[fresh fox]

the raid tank evernote should be updated since i got some feedback on different setups and some clarity issues :D

[onyx sage]

do it washed bro

[jaunty cove]

I feel dumb asking this but what’s yalls best advice to get the Ninjabike backpack? Been farming priority objectives and countdown and nothing (yes I have targeted loot on backpacks)

[solar sable]

bad luck and a bad backpack? Such a great combo

[flat stump]

would it be worth trying to make a build utilizing the explosion dmg from the chinese armor along with explosion resist armors for a build?

that is if it buffs the Genade Launcher specialization dmg

[solar sable]

spec weapons are useless except for the crossbow for DH and Tac 50

[flat stump]

all of them seem really fun tho

just cuz its not meta doesnt mean its "useless"

[bright raptor]

explosion resist no

CLIC pieces on a demolitionist artillery turret build very yes

the grenade launcher on this build is a bonus, but when the Hollywood Global Event is on the overall boost to explosive damage and 40mm drop amounts from explosive kills does make it very fun

the pinned spreadsheet has a setup, ideally you want the Strategic Alignment named backpack for it

[solar sable]

Nobody mentioned "meta".

[cerulean aurora]

Looking to build a two for one...one shot one kill or mastive damage with the new named knee pads

[placid latch]

Depend how you play.

[cerulean aurora]

All red

Someone said run the holster with regulus with glass Cannon

But I'm more of an assault rifle pestilence build

[worthy kraken]

what should I reroll on these?

do I keep roll 15% weapon dmg or 12% CHD

[tame crane]

Headshot DMG I would only keep to use on a HH build or something, rather be able to switch out the HS damage to CHC/CHD depending on your needs, and optimize weapon dmg

I use Foxes with HS on my 3pc Hotshot

[worthy kraken]

so CHD > weapond mg

only focusing on 1 build so far

[tame crane]

Actually I do not know the math on it, but I always went with CHD/CHC over Weapon Damage yes

Especially with a piece like that, you can always optimzie the weapon dmg a little bit right? but you will have the HS slot open to switch around as you please

[tame crane]

What build?

[worthy kraken]

standard dps

3 providence coyotee elmo

[tame crane]

Then you probably want CHC or CHD, HSD will be useless

With Coyote you want at least 50% CHC, so check your stats how theyre looking so far, if youre bellow the CHC sweet spot, put CHC on them

[worthy kraken]

i have 160 CHD

i have 160 CHD and 53 CHC

[tame crane]

just go with CHD then

[worthy kraken]

is unbreakable a good talent?

[patent fossil]

It's very popular in pvp, less so in pve (where the focus is more on damage than survivability).

[worthy kraken]

unlucky me

[patent fossil]

If you really want to throw yourself in the deep end of learning how to mitigate damage by careful positioning and battlefield awareness, use the sacrifice. It's a challenge but it will make you a better player

[worthy kraken]

gunslinger is pretty good to no?

[patent fossil]

Not really. Top chest talent for crit builds is obliterate. Other popular options are glass cannon, spotter, intimidate (for close range builds), headhunter (for snipers)

[worthy kraken]

hm i mean i can see why obliterate is better but I can manage a +23 buff at all times while obliterate gives only 20

and it s 2% less than glass canon

im by no means ready for glass canon so i will prob stick with obliterate

[patent fossil]

Gunslinger just involves a lot of work, but if you're happy you're getting decent uptime on it then feel free.

[worthy kraken]

aight

[worthy kraken]

Geting a perfect item isnt so easy as aI thought, always missing 1 stat, either I get all attributes maxed but not perfect talent

Or good talent but 1 attribute shit

[patent fossil]

Ideally you want the attributes perfect so you can recalibrate the talent, that way it's more flexible if they rebalance any talents in the future

[worthy kraken]

futureproofing I see

[tame crane]

Curious about this Backfire Incursion build, with bloody knuckles in there, how does it play out?

[magic pilot]

Super strong

[tame crane]

Does it utilize the bloody knuckles where you have to get a melee in?

Or is there maybe a vid I could watch how it plays out? Never saw anyone run it tbh

[worthy kraken]

1 question. Striker is tehnically better than HE build correct?

u just need to manage the stacks

[tame crane]

Yes and No, HE does more dmg out right, so better for situations where you cant get/maintain stacks easily, Strikers is better if you manage to get those stacks and maintain them

In most situations Strikers would be better yes

[worthy kraken]

like summit

in summit striker is better correct?

[tame crane]

Yes

Most of the content in game Strikers would be better, maybe HE in some parts of the IH and DH raids

[worthy kraken]

an im guessing striker pairs perfect with memento

[tame crane]

You are better off without

[worthy kraken]

also i see the spreadsheet doesnt use DTTooC

[tame crane]

What do you mean?

[worthy kraken]

the kneepads

[tame crane]

Strikers Kneepads cant have DTTOOC

Only Fox Prayers have DTTOOC

[patent fossil]

I think you just grenade the boss. Can get sledgehammer that way too if a teammate hasn't already done it

[tame crane]

Ohh yes I forgot it works for nades too

[worthy kraken]

yess, and I think we were talking yesterday that DTTooC is better than CHC or CHD

[tame crane]

Yeah, but you need those Striker Knees to make it 4pc

You need 4 strikers to get Strikers Gamble, and you are way better off with Coyote and Ceska as the other pieces

[worthy kraken]

gotcha

is ceska a must have otherwise u cant hit ur CHC ?

[tame crane]

its just the best option since you can focus on CHD on other pieces/mods

[patent fossil]

Dtooc is only better when the only trade off is more chd, and you already have a max chc and very high chd.

[worthy kraken]

is striker chest talent better for summit?

[hazy steeple]

Striker Chest is only useful when enemies have stupidly high HP pools, for things like Heroic CD, Incursion, etc.
Summit: not really, no.

Raids are up for debate, but pretty much everything else, you're better off with a Ceska Chest, Obliterate is a great choice for the Talent.

[worthy kraken]

and my second question, why ceska and not GS?

[patent fossil]

On pretty much everything, 1 chc is worth 2 chd (eg you can swap 6% chc for 12% chd on a minor stat, 5% chc for 10% chd on a weapon mod, etc).
That means the 8% chc from ceska is 'worth' 16% chd. Grupo only gives 13% chd, so ceska is better.

[worthy kraken]

thank u

and u need to reach 55 - 160 CHC - CHD correct on 4pc striker with coyote and 1 ceska

[hazy steeple]

Well, 50-55 CHC, you don't need exactly that 55%.

It's more of a safety net in case you fight an enemy outisde of your golden range.

[worthy kraken]

got it

a max rolled coyote mask might be pretty difficult to get

[patent fossil]

You won't necessarily get as high as 160% chd on a striker build, it'll depend on your weapon. Just get it as high as you can.

[hazy steeple]

What Kettle said, and especially if you don't have the 20% CHD bonus from your SHD watch, and the 10% bonus CHC from it too.

[fresh fox]

weapons should have dttoc on them

[magic pilot]

Sometimes melee sometimes no

It depends on the player

[fresh fox]

idk i’m guessing he’s confused why striker doesn’t seem to have dttoc?

[hazy steeple]

They're asking why you wouldn't use the Fox Knees, it's been explained by this point.

[magic pilot]

Oh yea I read up now

I think it says in striker guide why

[magic pilot]

It's used mostly in organized groups

But lfgs have them a good amount too

Takes no team coordination but some people just don't realize how strong they are for bosses

@subtle bluff

[worthy kraken]

does coyote buff stack?

[urban latch]

There's 3 separate buffs, and all 3 can be active if there's 3+ masks in a group and all 3 ranges are maintained, but you can't get multiple of the same buff

[azure plank]

What can be best sidearm for this build? I set directive for no ammo, So I need good sidearm which can give me a pretty good backup until I get ammos from enemies?

[patent fossil]

Probably Kard Custom with In-sync, that'll make it easier for your skills to get kills.
That said, most people wouldn't run the pistolero directive with that build. You're usually run it with something like Ongoing Directive or hotshot, where you have a ready source of ammo. At the very least, use gunner spec for some ammo regen.

[shy willow]

id consider swapping out the chest first

orbit and kard custom are like the big non exotic ones for general use

[azure plank]

yeah kettle suggest me called ceska maybe

but I don't have that one, so have to farm

[magic pilot]

You need gunner

That'll help a ton on its own

[azure plank]

Today I unlocked technician, so need to go for gunner now. Then I'll set the ammo to non till now will use ammo to run. I don't have custom KARD is only source to get custome KARD from dark zone?

[azure plank]

Okay I'll consider different build and will unlock Gunner ASAP. Thank you.

[worthy kraken]

how many brand sets are there?

[magic pilot]

A lot why

[patent fossil]

There's a spreadsheet linked in the pinned messages with all the brandsets (amongst other information)

[halcyon orchid]

More than I can list off, not to mention they always add 1-2 new ones per season

[cerulean smelt]

if you open the expertise menu you can see all of them there with all the different icons, can count those to see

[magic pilot]

Or countdown TL menu

[neat aurora]

guys i used the level 30 boost and my damage even in the story is not that good and i die fast how i can improve it what builds you recommend ?

[patent fossil]

While leveling, just throw on a bunch of gear with skill cores and use turret and drone to kill everything for you. A weapon with in sync will help a lot. Don't worry about proper builds until you reach level 40.
If you're dying too much, you're likely not using cover enough or not watching your surroundings and letting yourself get flanked.

[worthy kraken]

should I get Glass Canon but not perfect or Obliterate?

[onyx sage]

yeah if you want

[hexed steppe]

Glass/ pgc > obliterate
But
Obliterate safer than glass

[worthy kraken]

i am geteing absolutely destroyed by grenades in summit legendary

[cerulean smelt]

i think PGC = a training piece
you start to learn spawn points or watching for them npcs that tries to flank ya XD

[hexed steppe]

Legendary with glass you better have an emp sticky and a jammer or decoy

[worthy kraken]

emp sticky?

im geting wrecked if i dont position perfectly

the decoy definetly helps