td2-build-advice

[cerulean smelt]

think i always deconstruct the ones i get. i had hoped to use the perfect creeping death but i think normal just has a bit higher cool down? and currently i could use another brand for that

[haughty flame]

5 sec difference

[cerulean smelt]

think devs released that in hopes we'd use it with the exotic sniper of that season, but i could never stomach using the sniper

[prime elbow]

What sniper?

[cerulean smelt]

talent had an interesting concept. set npcs on fire and they get snared (move slower) but i've never seen them move slow except when they're disoriented

Sacrum imperium The Trap Tags enemies when in scope (maximum 10). Killing any marked target with a headshot applies 10 second Burn Status Effect and gives a 50% (20% in PVP modes) Speed Movement decrease on all other targets. Cooldown is 30 seconds.

Killing another enemy with a headshot shortens the cooldown for 10 seconds. Targets are marked after 1 seconds in scope."

the model used, which i don't think i've ever gotten it to oneshot kill npcs with even with headshots
G28 Marksmen Rifle

[dreamy valve]

Wouldnt Overlord be more useful

[cerulean smelt]

the shot gun? no clue never used it either for the same reason

never seen the npcs move slow based on the talent

[urban latch]

Right rolls >>> random max rolls

Just keeping stuff because the rolls are maxed is the easiest way to fill up on junk you'll never use

[glossy scarab]

Yeah it's not like Lexington blows everything else out of the water or anything. It just feels special cuz it's limited edition. Also it is pretty strong and handles perfectly

[civic turret]

Yeah I missed it unfortunately, but it is funny to see some people treat it like it's the be all end all.

[cerulean smelt]

no clue how many come here "OMG how do i get the lexington? " or "can we still get the lexington?" then we break the bad news to them that if they weren't there they missed out

[civic turret]

When they realize how good other ARs are they'll be fine, but yeah I bet that gets asked a ton.

[cerulean smelt]

you know how like everyone wants the gift backpack. tell them uh, get whatever backpack and use the regular talent, it's only a 1 sec difference

[solar sable]

it's been three months how do people still come asking

[civic turret]

Yeah just max out a Police M4 and you're almost there.

[cerulean smelt]

youtube videos probably

you know click bait "Lexington godliest of godly AR you must have!"

[dreamy valve]

Eagle Bearer was all the rage before that

Everyone wanted that one for some reason

[onyx sage]

it was fomo caused by gear 1.0

back then, eagle bearer was the literal king

[cerulean smelt]

it was the headshot making you immune to death for a period of time

[onyx sage]

gear 2.0 was a much needed rebalance

[dreamy valve]

The caveat being you also needed to make the kills

Or else

[cerulean smelt]

nods i never get those kills and drop everytime

so my EB sits in the stash (> <)

[civic turret]

I've been rolling with Strega/Negotiators. Not a fan of the look, but really like the weapon.

[cerulean smelt]

i didn't like the look of it as it looked like a single shot rifle, but as i saw a video for it and saw it was an AR i decided to give it a shot. was pretty impressed with it but not sure i like the randomness of marked npcs bit so i don't use it

[civic turret]

Once you build up those stacks it's an absolute monster.

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i know, i built them up on a build and was like ohhhhh!

[civic turret]

In a room with a named you pick off the red bars and put those stacks on him---he gets absolutely annihilated.

I'd say my favorite AR is probably Chameleon, though. Well SMG/AR hybrid.

[cerulean smelt]

nods second account i got that on a strikers build since i don't have any other good AR's to throw on it

[civic turret]

The range is rough, but once you get it going it's a monster.

[sullen sun]

Weird question

Does Strega as underwhelming as it is pair well with HB?

[hexed steppe]

No linked laser. If you're a headshot monster maybe

[sullen sun]

Lucky for you I know a guy

[hexed steppe]

If you can keep pulse procced maybe. I have no experience with it on hb

[sullen sun]

Those HB stacks are hard to keep up

I assume it would synergize better with ND?

[hexed steppe]

Nd Transfer doesnt proc Mark's afaik, probably striker best tbh

[sullen sun]

I heard you were the Div god is this true? 🙏

[hexed steppe]

No. I'm a servant of the one. And he smiles on us all.
🔥 😈 🔥

[sullen sun]

I’m the birdshit god

[wary forge]

Guys i dont have lengmo blueprint.. all are rolled with chc and chd, except by backbone who have crit dmg and handling..

So.. i wont farm until get the lengmo chest with double crit and glass canon/obliterate

the question is.. whats the best chest substitute?

I saw a guy using walker harris with glass canon, would be better than sacrifice?

[glossy scarab]

not much different. slightly lower ticks probably

[wary forge]

Ok! The sacrifice is if i remember 13,6% wpn dmg or something. The ticks are almost 1.700.000

[magic pilot]

PGC is the best

[fair dragon]

Penguin's Golf Club

[willow hinge]

Oh now we know why the Penguins are getting a 29% tariff 🐧

[robust jay]

striker 4 pc turmoil & memento tech spec would killer or flat line be better (58CHC/93CHD)

[hazy steeple]

Are you using Tech Spec for a particular reason?

[robust jay]

would only really be for the laser pointer

[fiery kindle]

Against black tusk is good

[robust jay]

so it doesnt really matter its preference / situational?

[hazy steeple]

The Striker Chest is only really good if you can keep the stacks built up, what content are you planning on using this build in?

[robust jay]

pve

[hazy steeple]

We just assume PvE in this channel for the most part, unless someone mentions PvP/conflict/DZ.
Like, Countdown/Heroic missions/Incursions/Raids/open world farming ?

[robust jay]

CPs Heroic missions CD

[hazy steeple]

@robust jay You can run pretty much anything with CP's, but for efficiency's sake, just follow one of the Striker builds in the guide, then modify it for you based on what you need it to do.
📌 > spreadsheet 2 > builds. GL Agent

[hexed steppe]

Running LLP reduces crit mods on gun. I would probably roll killer/strained/ I guess measured. I would save flatline/LLP for a heartbreaker setup where it synergize.

Menento also reduces 2x crit attributes.

Generally you'll want to use all crit chance on weapon so you can flex gear rolls to chd.
If really utilizing memento then go for it. If its just for its regen/bonus armor you could utilize bloodsucker and get another brand/2x attributes, or just utilize the striker bag to improve stack damage.
Jmho

[prime elbow]

For a Jammer build should I run Skill dmg or Status? Not sure how it works

[outer narwhal]

Solo pvp/DZ pvp focused build with bighorn/eagle bearer?

[prime elbow]

Nah, just regular jammer

[azure plank]

So this gun gives you 1+ Skill tier and also memento gives you 1+ skill tier too. So If I use these two item in my damage build is it too bad or good enough?

Like, Striker mask, gloves, hostler, kneepads with other damage chest armor?

[prime elbow]

You'll have to hold it

[outer narwhal]

My bad, i was asking if anyone can share such build, I wasn't replying to your message

[azure plank]

How can I hold?

[outer narwhal]

Press 3

[azure plank]

I mean what it is?

[prime elbow]

With your hands

[prime elbow]

Oh, lol

[azure plank]

Oh sorry you meant, I've to carry the weapon too get that 1 skill tier?

[prime elbow]

The Skill ONLY procs when you hold it

[azure plank]

But not with the memento right?

[prime elbow]

With the memento is a +1 skill and when you hold it its another 1. So if you are running the memento and all red you'll have 1,1,6 and as soon you hold the Kard it goes 1,2,6

It's a great pistol, if not the best for a lot of builds

Just having it on your pistol slot is already a huge buff, because whenever you decide to use a dmg skill just pull it out

Or pulses

Idk whatever you like to run

[azure plank]

Most lame build

just trying every exotic weapon I'm getting with this build

So far love this build

But the special weapon I got 3.

And other 3 haven't unlock yet cause too lazy to do that specific task to complete

[hazy hull]

Finally after 2 years I finally got a chainkiller

[vestal ibex]

Walker harris TL in countdown in 1-3 runs ez.

[rich lotus]

Is the claws out holster and lady exotic gun build still good in dz or no

[magic pilot]

It's good if you have movement

[cursive star]

what kind of build would you guys recommend to play summit on legendary as a two man? My buddy is playing a striker build rn and I'm playing determined sniper, but getting a bit bored with it and it seems like I instantly die on legendary (mostly doing heroic atm)

[dreamy valve]

Anyone in game can do a quick favor if you have Backfire? Can you tell me what will be the weapon damage if you have all red cores, but no other attributes that increase weapon damage

[cursive star]

and we are pretty new to this game, so I'm kinda lost and the builds on the spreadsheet mostly seem to be from last season?

[cerulean smelt]

if only you knew the truth about those builds

[onyx sage]

it's about being aware of where the enemies are at all times. if they have line of sight on you, you either don't kill fast enough or you picked a bad spot

good positioning is all legendary's about

ideally you don't take damage if you can

[cursive star]

determined sniper just seems a bit limited. if there is an enemy with armor platings I lose the headshot buff thing and am pretty useless until I find an enemy I can headshot kill again 😄

[cerulean smelt]

like this info?

[cursive star]

well that sounds ominous

[solid kayak]

yay got another st elmos, soo glad the april fools joke is done

[onyx sage]

you can just restack again. that's the gameplay with HH

there's a layer of strategy where you know you'll have to restack but you pick and choose who to kill to make it easier to restack

[dreamy valve]

Yeah, is that with the weapon damage bonus from the specialization tree?

[cerulean smelt]

i think a lot of the builds are proably double digit Title updates old

[cerulean smelt]

gunner uh. you mean with SMG filled up?

[dreamy valve]

Yeah

[cerulean smelt]

looks like it good thing you asked XD

[dreamy valve]

Hehehehe thanks

[cerulean smelt]

full build

[dreamy valve]

Ok cool

[cursive star]

do you have any other ressource for current builds? Could just find a million striker builds and determined builds on youtube 😄

[cerulean smelt]

you even check in here?

[onyx sage]

the builds have never changed

[onyx sage]

striker and hh have always been the same

again: the problem isn't the build

[cerulean smelt]

i feel a good majority of the builds was pre gears 2.0 era as well unless i'm thinking of the wrong area?

[onyx sage]

no lmao

[cursive star]

yeah I checked the spreadsheet, just assumed they were outdated. But if not much changed I'll just try some of them out

[onyx sage]

every build is post gear 2.0

you could check out runs online to see how people do it. yes the build matters but it doesn't really get you through legendaries

[cursive star]

never said the build is the big problem, determined is just not that fun to me especially when playing with a buddy, so I wanted to try something else that is viable on high difficulty

[cursive star]

ok will do

[onyx sage]

striker and hh are king in legendary, striker still is most versatile because as you probably found out, HH only works on humans

BUT when this condition is satisfied it kills a lot faster than striker

[cursive star]

btw totally off topic but having items like the lexington limited time only and not obtainable afterwards is some weird decision making

[steep plover]

where abouts in dz is the deathgrip gloves?

[cerulean smelt]

whereever 5.11 is target loot i believe or maybe from the caches?

[steep plover]

ok

[cerulean smelt]

named caches would drop them too if you want a more guaranteed drop for it as in DZ i think if it drops you'd have to extract it

[magic pilot]

The builds are all up to date, I'm working on adding some more hybrid setups as well as blue support builds

[hazy hull]

Feedback

[cerulean smelt]

🤣 😆 😹 most people will tell you to drop the ninja bag for one, probably swap specializations for sharpshooter, but i could be wrong on that. hopefully the 3 hotshots you're going to put headshot damage on them

what's your goal with the build?

[hazy hull]

Atm just destroy enemies and it does that

it makes Heroic easy

And the only enemy that stands a chance is heavies with the helemetd

[cerulean smelt]

don't remember if it's this server or the other. a player named Raucey showed a build of chainkiller with 5 grey pieces on and still rockign heroic

[magic pilot]

That is a build

[cerulean smelt]

@hazy hull this is what i run for hotshot

think i saw a yt video for it and was like ohhhh

[magic pilot]

Tbh hotshot has died since rifles got a huge buff

[cerulean smelt]

that 1886 is rough finding though XD

[magic pilot]

1886 is absolutely the way to go

[magic pilot]

@vestal atlas ended up dropping me one, I was farming for like 3 months

Even one with a bad third attribute is worth using imo

[cerulean smelt]

i got it with hsd on it so i put determined on it but haven't ran it yet so no clue how it'll fair, but seeing raucey's video i'm sure it'd probably be better than using white death

[patent fossil]

Is this a pvp build? Why no headhunter?

[magic pilot]

Holy cow I didn't even see that

[magic pilot]

Should be fine even with headshot

[cerulean smelt]

for me? shrugs just wanted to see how it'd fair and looked fun from YT video. bad i know but just wanted to try something out

that or i never gotten my 2nd chainkiller yet

[patent fossil]

It looks like you're recommending it as a build and I'm very confused as to why

All blue cores, no headhunter, no vigilance....

[cerulean smelt]

they want feedback on their build. was just showing how i used the hotshot
#td2-build-advice message

[patent fossil]

Even their ninjabag build is going to hit far harder than yours...

[cerulean smelt]

oh i was trying to clear out my stash and messed up my hotshot build and put things on as i had them. no clue XD

[patent fossil]

Usual format is 4pc hotshot, chainkiller, airaldi vigilance backpack. It'll hit hard enough to one-shot named enemies in solo heroic and elites in 4-player legendary. You can trade off some damage for armour if you're sticking to solo, but there's not much point. Can also run SR-1 for better handling/mag size and you'll likely still be able to one shot everything you need to

[cerulean smelt]

can i assume bank HQ showing league speed run is a feature?

[patent fossil]

Sounds like it, speedruns were part of an event last year (Halloween maybe?) but shouldn't be back now as far as I'm aware.

[magic pilot]

@cerulean smelt can you send me a picture of termoil knees?

[magic pilot]

and the talent

[magic pilot]

sweet

[cerulean smelt]

were they only 1 mission for the leagues?

[magic pilot]

no

[cerulean smelt]

i have a feeling it used to be 3ish missions? 1 hard, 2 challenging or 2 hard, 1 challenging?

hmmm, that seems to be the only one with a speed run attached to it unless i'm skipping over the missions too fast to show it?

maybe lack of league events they just select a random mission for it?

[cerulean smelt]

you cooking up a build with it?

[magic pilot]

spreadsheet work

@hazy steeple i added some builds to the hub that will be added in the coming weeks

hopefully

[cerulean smelt]

IE: needs approval from another person kind of hopefully?

[onyx sage]

he needs approval yeah, from himself

[vestal ibex]

Probably spread sheet additions.

[magic pilot]

nah i do whatever i want to it lol

theres a hidden picture of my social security on there

[dreamy valve]

That’s the spirit

https://youtu.be/6DBA5Wx9T7U?si=eJHLg5G47HtTBxVn

[onyx sage]

going rouge to get my momento but i got it from decent anyway

[magic pilot]

ummm

@onyx sage did you see the character changed starting locations

i started a new character and this is where it put me as soon as i finished creation

[onyx sage]

no, i haven't noticed

[vestal ibex]

No more walking out the door rip. Loading screen then or?

[magic pilot]

i had the into cutscenes and then spawned right here

no reviving agent or anything

ill see if it does it again

same thing

[violet juniper]

Is Turmoil better than Fox's Prayer?

[subtle bluff]

No and yes.
Keep it simple you're split your damage.

[violet juniper]

hm...

lemme be a bit more specific

in the context of say, a high end LMG build or a high end DPS build, would Turmoil or Fox's be the best choice

Let's say I'm using Pestilence on the LMG build

[magic pilot]

eh

[patent fossil]

My rule of thumb is: do you kill the enemies you're shooting at so fast that it's an advantage to kill them at half the speed and not have to take the time to aim at the next enemy?

[violet juniper]

i usually melt what I aim at, I'm mostly interested in the god rolled ceska knees

[patent fossil]

I mean, the best way to answer your question would be to go try them out for a bit in a variety of content, then see if you consider them a help or a hindrance

[open pulsar]

weapons below my assigned weapons the two red ones why cant i assign them to use them please

[solar sable]

April Fools gear can't be equipped

those are clones. The real exotics are Bighorn and Ravenous from up to down

[open pulsar]

ohk didnt know that

[regal pulsar]

Where best to farm catharsis ?

[patent fossil]

priority objectives with exotic rewards, or exotic caches - it won't drop from target loot until you get one as a non-target drop

[sullen sun]

Any difference in these?

Para is what you want for spotter correct?

[tame crane]

Really? Did not know that, why is Catharsis restricted in such way?

[onyx sage]

spaghetti coding

when new team took over they are really inconsistent in handling loot tables every time a new season releases

[violet juniper]

Damage I believe

either that or just looks

[elder dome]

What a good attribute to put on fox prayers

[severe hedge]

Uhhh

Is this normal...

[solar sable]

holy fk

[severe hedge]

Uhhh yeah... Lol....

[solar sable]

what build is that

[severe hedge]

Uhh it's a full Crit build dude.

I can show you if you want?

[solar sable]

I mean it's probably bugged or something

[severe hedge]

Its not

[solar sable]

sure

[severe hedge]

Add me @solar sable

[patent fossil]

umbra + backfire?

[severe hedge]

Backfire is the main weapon.

[patent fossil]

...and this is why we generally don't just stack one damage type super high, you miss out on a bunch of multipliers (TWD, DTOOC etc) and get severely diminishing returns in exchange

[severe hedge]

Yeah I know what you mean.

[patent fossil]

you could get another 120% CHD from umbra though if you did just want silly stacking crit numbers. I guess it might not show on the stat sheet though

[severe hedge]

Is there any Foundry Bulwark Loot allocations today?

[fresh fox]

i heard the pentco power plant is foundry if you do something to the mission modifier thingies

[solar berry]

212 base and 200 from backfire?

[prime elbow]

what talent should I replace this one

[patent fossil]

Probably vigilance

[solar berry]

^

[magic pilot]

amazing backpack

[unborn fable]

struggling to choose between obliterate ceska, or striker chest with Fox's Prayer, what do people think?

[patent fossil]

Obliterate ceska is the standard option for good reason, you lose a lot of crit with foxes and you'll rarely build/maintain 200 stacks in most content

[violet juniper]

what chest clothing are you using?

[rich lotus]

Anyone got a build for the claw out and lady death I saw I person hiting people with the shield in like 3 hits and killing them

[unborn fable]

Hunters Cage

[unborn fable]

yea fair enough, playing around in the range striker chest had a higher ceiling but was unsure how realistic it is in game. ill run obliterate then

[violet juniper]

Clothing, not gear

oh that's actually what it is, thanks

[magic pilot]

Claws out, everyday carrier, 2 Golan, emperors, matador. Firewall spec

You can run bloody knuckles too but having that red core makes you way squishier

[prime elbow]

With the EB should I use the Eagles Grasp glove or the Contractor?

[oak shard]

u guys think coyote and 3 sokolov and 2 other random brands is a decent glass cannon build?

[violet juniper]

More information needed

what guns are you using?

[oak shard]

rn a cabaret; in a perfect world, probably a dark winter? it has to be a high dps smg

i love my vector

i just want to glass cannon melt things up close with an smg

[violet juniper]

I'd run a measured Vector or an SMG 1-A2

the lil pop gun looking thing

my normal SMG builds feature intimidate+adrenaline rush

but you want pure damage...

[oak shard]

yeah hunters fury would be my go to dps and still hard ish to kill smg up close set

but i want tons of raw damage

[violet juniper]

I would say to use a Ceska mask or coyote mask, the sacrifice chest for perfect glass cannon, contractors gloves, a sokolov backpack with unstoppable force or vigilance, then sokolov holster and kneepads

you won't be able to take bullets, but you'll do a lot of damage

[oak shard]

i dont need to take bullets ill just play better; this sounds perfect

im going to die so fast lmao

[bold leaf]

Make them die quicker

[violet juniper]

if you want a good SMG set up, just use 4pc Hunters Fury with 2 piece Sokolov, or one Sokolov piece and one ceska piece

[oak shard]

^^ that was my go ot

[violet juniper]

use intimidate and adrenaline rush, it's surprisingly tanky up close

[oak shard]

yup

what about gear mods?

chd for the glass cannon but

[bold leaf]

Crit damage all the way

You should have plenty of crit chance

[oak shard]

yeah

[violet juniper]

Just standard crit rolls on everything

[oak shard]

31 from smg and watch and like 16 more from sokolov and coyote

[fresh fox]

mid range smg?!

[cerulean smelt]

think chameleon would count 🤔

[hazy steeple]

🎆

[hard turret]

Is ninjabike backpack in the general loot pool?

[patent fossil]

Yes

[hard turret]

Ok

[glad pilot]

Would a HE status/skill dmg outperform eclipse protocol (fire) ?

[hoary sail]

HE? hight end maybe?

[patent fossil]

Unlikely, without the eclipse spread you'd have to constantly run through your chems to ignite new targets. There's a reason eclipse is the meta.

[glad pilot]

uh creeping death tho?

[vestal ibex]

Please read the talents on gearsets. Start with the EP backpack.

[patent fossil]

Yup, creeping death will do less damage, and only procs once where EP procs every time an enemy dies, which carries across multiple waves of enemies

[glad pilot]

but damage wise?

[vestal ibex]

Did you read the EP talent on the backpack yet?

[glad pilot]

no im farmin eggs mate

does fire work on warhound etc

[violet juniper]

No

[glad pilot]

sadge

[patent fossil]

It can but only if you shoot them with the firewall spec sidearm first

[vestal ibex]

Oh yeah primers.

Not really worth it but fun party trick type thing.

[fresh fox]

no

it would probably last longer for that first instance though

but that means nothing

[fair dragon]

TIL there's a HE status build

[urban latch]

In PVE eclipse. In PVP high end

[fresh fox]

pvp

[fair dragon]

I see

[magic pilot]

Yea pvp eclipse is not great

[glad pilot]

which gear set gives 45% skill duration

monkey?

[cerulean smelt]

only one that high i've seen is China light taking 3?

[glad pilot]

what?

[fresh fox]

wyvern has a high 3pc as well

status iirc

[glad pilot]

i askied for 45% duration

[cerulean smelt]

yes, you put on 3 pieces of your 6 China Light and you get 45% skill duration

[glad pilot]

3pc china is 25% status

[fresh fox]

wait nvm it’s wyvern

yea wyvern is 45% duration

[glad pilot]

ah ty

[cerulean smelt]

oh my bad, i always have wyvern and china for like my explosive build, but yeah wyvern 3pc 45% duration my bad

[hard turret]

how can i better this striker's build?

[vestal ibex]

ACS for stacking, maybe a lefty if you really wanna stay survivalist cause sledge proc on fire nades goes pretty hard but I doubt you'd make use unless you went to legendary. Really you need SHD watch and just keeping an eye on your CHC/CHD to stay in that optimal range of 50-55% for coyotes close/mid buffs.

[solar berry]

I like lefty for its sledgehammer talent. And it’s the fastest ACS for stacking

Other than that, I run rock and roll cuz it have bigger mag. Lefty is abit more viable in general

[magic pilot]

The lmg has to go

[bold leaf]

Fastest? Do other ACS have a different fire rate?

[onyx sage]

no, it's because lefty lets you put a rof mod

[bold leaf]

Oh damn I never noticed that

[vestal ibex]

It's not much and truth be told it doesn't really matter.

That is def one of those super sweaty min-max things.

[glad pilot]

thats pretty much it, just max out the rolls.

[hard turret]

alright thanks

whats the best way to get ninja backpack?

[glad pilot]

where do i apply expertise on builder spreadsheet?

nvm got it

[vestal ibex]

Same as most exotics in the general pool, countdown with TL as whatever you are going for and buying exo caches after.

[tropic gorge]

Hi

Hl

[tame crane]

How does your CHC/CHD stats look like?

This is pretty much how you want your striker to look, just like Souless said get at least that 50% chc and rest chd and youre good

I would also maybe use shield instead of pulse, but thats just how I like to play it tho

Also Gunner instead of Survivalist maybe? Not sure now but pretty sure you get more dmg out of Gunner for that DPS setup

[magic pilot]

You get 5% rof after each kill with gunner so yes technically

The main benefit of gunner is the 10% aok, which helps for super aggressive red builds

[solar berry]

Extra mod slot on weapon. You can gain 5% more due to that

For lefty

[charred eagle]

Can the lightweight m4 drop in countdown? And is the blueprint available in vendor reset or was it a season drop?

[hybrid leaf]

Yo im building pestilence glass cannon build...

Wanting to use the sacrifice +1 more piece of providence gear for crit stuff..

Ninjabike obviously

Lengmo x2

[hybrid leaf]

I think its gonna be Lengmo x2 Providence x2, ninjabike, turmoil

[wary forge]

Got this today on countdown

Challenge difficulty.. unbelievable.. and stil dont have double crit backbone 🤡
Mine is with crit dmg and headshot

[onyx sage]

you don't want ninjabike for optimal build

[hybrid leaf]

I like it tho

[onyx sage]

that's not obvious

[hybrid leaf]

3 cores

What would you suggest tho

[onyx sage]

a vigilance backpack or backbone

[hybrid leaf]

I do have a decent Backbone

[wary forge]

This one.. but with sacrifice was hiting sometimes 2million dmg per tick

[onyx sage]

you could put that on

look at the above build, that's basically what you want

[hybrid leaf]

But then no space for 3 piece providence?

[onyx sage]

no need

[wary forge]

No

[hybrid leaf]

Im attracted to the crit bonuses

[wary forge]

Pestilence have low dmg per bullet imo.. the plague is the cherry..

So the plague spread and kill everything.. Never did a cp so fast.. this build is extremelly op.. imo was fastest than determined one shot build

[hybrid leaf]

Okay give me a moment

Coyotes should give me enough crit bonuses

[hybrid leaf]

Ive got providence instead of lengmo chest

Perfect glass cannon

Is there named vest for lengmo I can get perfect glass cannon on?

[onyx sage]

no, fox over pgc still gives higher tick

[tame crane]

Hows this compared to like a Strikers build?

[onyx sage]

pgc over normal gc is just a 4% increase (1.3 / 1.25)

whereas having fox is a 6.6% increase (1.29 / 1.21)

[tame crane]

Looking for some change to get to use something new

[magic pilot]

pgc is better for weapon dmg

[hybrid leaf]

Fox?

[magic pilot]

its weaker than striker but its still super strong

over 1.5m ticks

[onyx sage]

oops 7% increase (1.2 / 1.12)

[onyx sage]

fox's prayer

the knees above

[tame crane]

What are the individual pieces?

Contractors, is that Fox prayers knees? And 3 Lengmo

[hybrid leaf]

Oh im using turmoil

[magic pilot]

coyotes, lengmo chest and holster, backbone backpack. contractors gloves, fox knees

[onyx sage]

turmoil doesn't help pesti at all

[tame crane]

Cheers, pesti the best move for that lmg build? Also Backbone bp, that is not a DZ exclusive right?

[magic pilot]

i would go as far to say its not good for pesti

[onyx sage]

nope, you can farm it anywhere

[tame crane]

Great I thought so

CHD mods on all pieces?

[magic pilot]

pesti, iron lung, m249, bluescreen, regular MG5 all pretty good

[magic pilot]

i think 1 chc mod, you just want to get it to 50% chc

pesti has chc rolled as third attribute

[tame crane]

Gotcha gotcha, you want the attributes to be standard CHC and CHD correct?

[magic pilot]

yep yep

[hybrid leaf]

All the youtubers say Turmoil is a must

Could try without... would give me more flexibility

What's the talent on fox's

[tame crane]

Nice thanks I will give it a shot, Glass go to for the chest? Never ran Glass like that so must get used to it, at least give it a shot, is Oblit a reliable choice if I were not to like Glass?

Or is the Glass dmg boost needed for it to hit hard?

[magic pilot]

glass is pretty important especially with pesti

ive ran this in legendary before and im not a huge fan of glass in leg

i run it on my striker build now too though

[tame crane]

Glass in legendary for sure would be difficult at first for someone like me that isnt used to it lol

[magic pilot]

is that von in your profile pic

[onyx sage]

it literally does nothing for the pesti tick, when fox boosts both the bullet damage and the tick damage

[tame crane]

Yeah it is

[magic pilot]

thats messed up🤣

[tame crane]

😭 got nitro gifted and I must have had it as my pfp last time I had nitro

[magic pilot]

takes some practice, you know how to peek tall cover?

ngl its pretty sick

[tame crane]

No I do not, havent heard of «peek tall cover» matter of fact

You got a video on it or something? Sounds like something I should know about

[magic pilot]

yea hold up

https://youtu.be/tLopWe9NfF0?si=ry2pUtVX2qn3kUMK

the goat @onyx sage

[tame crane]

Ohhh yeah thats peeking tall cover yeah I been doing that, at least trying on legendary whenever I find spots to do so

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/tzD2mvbhRFI?si=6vGbcuVEb5yjsNil

this is also super important for legendary

[tame crane]

Yeah that definitely saved me a couple of times might need to try and use it more often

Probably strong with a Regulus build as shown for easy hs

[magic pilot]

you can do it with crit builds too, its super nice if you are in a tough spot getting pushed

or if you are doing some sort of spawn skip, or just repositioning

[tame crane]

Yup I see that

[magic pilot]

Mr. AveragePlayer.- is not very average

he taught me how to do solo legendary

[violet juniper]

I run perfect glass cannon, it's annoying

[tame crane]

Mr. HumblePlayer just humble like that

[magic pilot]

big jokester

[violet juniper]

I managed to crack 4 million on a headshot today with Bighorn!

[magic pilot]

hell yea

run incursion with me

we can get you higher

[violet juniper]

😶

I still need to make a run of the mill striker build for incursion

[onyx sage]

i need to make an updated version tbh

[violet juniper]

I don't think I'd be appreciated in incursion with my 1886

[magic pilot]

its used in speeds actually

in one section

[violet juniper]

well that's interesting

I found a pretty sweet 1886 with max rolls and Rifleman talent, that thing is so fun to pop heads with

[magic pilot]

hell yea

rifleman or flatline is the talent used lol

[glossy scarab]

ok im going to the dz with a couple builds and i'll see what does best just for farming landmarks. the regen has 113,125/second armor regen. and the other just has lots of damage. just experimenting but i have a lot of other pieces and can change talents and whatever

damage or survivability is what im asking myself i guess

[magic pilot]

for the first build

run catharsis, fox, contractors, 3 electrique

[wary forge]

I prefer the new ceska kneepads

[magic pilot]

yea we talked about that

[wary forge]

Works very well! And the crit chance gets higher

[magic pilot]

not very good for pesti

[wary forge]

Obvioulsy the ticks did a bit less dmg

But at least in battlefield im enjoying more the new kneepads

[wary forge]

Hehe my fav build in the game

[magic pilot]

regussy

[glossy scarab]

ill try that one too

[wary forge]

Headhunter fury is extremelly op

[magic pilot]

that one is the best HE smg build imo

[magic pilot]

that was from my run last night

[glossy scarab]

awesome thank yoou

[wary forge]

Lots of friends get mad with me when i use this! “Youre stealing all kills” “Dont have fun playing this way” 🤣

For heroic openworld i use harvest, missions regulus

[magic pilot]

thats how i feel when @tidal swan uses determined

[violet juniper]

This is my main, best build at the moment

[magic pilot]

solid

[onyx sage]

is this a good build for the average player?

[wary forge]

No

Lol

For you? Or for really average players?

Is hard to learn how play properly.. but for missions is so far my fav build.. specially solo

[violet juniper]

5 piece improv with NBB is the best average build

Make sure to balance all your cores

[onyx sage]

why the distinction? i am an average player

[wary forge]

😂😂😂😂😂

[cerulean smelt]

least you're average, i'm below average (> <)

[bright raptor]

How does the crit damage magazine mod for 5.56 rifles compare to the +20 magazine? Been trying it out with the UIC so I don't have to look at the 60 50 rounder all the time

[glossy scarab]

Unfortunately none of my dz builds are standing up to a gang up of 4v1 lol

[earnest dagger]

Do you run headshot damage stat and mods with that

[violet juniper]

nope, all crit

Providence + bighorn give a minimum 50% more headshot damage

[earnest dagger]

Cool thanks gonna try that one out tired of striker

[earnest dagger]

What talents you run on chest and backpack ?

[violet juniper]

Vigi and perfect glass cannon

[earnest dagger]

Thanks

[feral anvil]

favorite build to use with turmoil so far. perfect glass cannon + providence headshot bonus and it has pretty good single target killing power if accurate enough. insane damage spread as well

[subtle bluff]

When you have Turmoil "single target" isn't really a thing anymore unless they're by themselves.
You enjoying on Heroic?

[stable hamlet]

I got a question what should I run with my eagle bearer

[feral anvil]

yea and by single target i just mean it does enough damage even with the 50% damage split to kill a single target in a reasonable amount of time, even if you are being pushed

[subtle bluff]

Same thing you'd run with any weapon build to keep it simple.

[hexed steppe]

if @onyx sage is the bar we measure against, we're all below average 💯

[rich lotus]

Nah he’s washed. Should’ve seen him in his prime

He had a wife back then too

[glossy scarab]

thats impressive. when i was married all my hobbies and passions were called a total waste of time (including getting paid to produce music and sell my own paintings for an extra $400-$600 a week)

[hazy steeple]

A banana taped to a wall sold for $120, 000.
I'm not sure what any of this has to to with div2 build advice, but there's a metaphor in there somewhere.

[glossy scarab]

the point is my builds are bad and i should have thought of the banana scam

[hazy steeple]

Luckily for you, all actual effort to build-crafting is redundant, as all the good ones are made already, and readily available here.

[glossy scarab]

until such time as they release a new gear set or brand set that can shake things up enough to get more of us off strikers and hunters fury

[hazy steeple]

Check out the iKia link in the spreadsheet, that's generally where the experimental meta stuff goes.

[torn lagoon]

I PRAY that we get some gear that actually shakes up buildcrafting with brooklyn

[hazy steeple]

Loads of builds work right now, you just have to look past what the absolute peak is.

If your goal is "works fast in Heroic content", there's tons.

[glossy scarab]

ive been working with great success with good old high end red, high crit builds

[rich lotus]

actually nerf striker and boom build diversity

[glossy scarab]

i hope they do something good with true patriot bc i happened to find all the pieces to make an all red version

[rich lotus]

cause the next best alternative to striker dps is high end red w/ PGC and Vigi, and most of the playerbase can't survive on that so they use cope alternatives!!

[hazy steeple]

^
I don't know who is putting out this "only striker is worth it, all other builds are trash" mentality, but you need to unsubscribe from their YT channel.

[feral anvil]

real, like this is my go-to solo build and i can still top-damage in heroic matchmaking. just gotta find a gearset you enjoy and build it around ur playstyle

[shy willow]

Uhhh

[hazy steeple]

I don't endorse that.

some builds are bad.

[shy willow]

I fully endorse off meta as long as it's fulfilling a niche the meta doesn't

[hazy steeple]

I fully endorse a backpack with all 3 cores, as long as its the Memento.

[feral anvil]

crits for over 600k + skill damage lol. 6 skill tiers + almost 5 red cores worth of damage with picaros

[shy willow]

[hazy steeple]

NBB really is the temu version of Memento.

[shy willow]

Memento at home

[hazy steeple]

for those who are slightly older: wish.com

[feral anvil]

memento doesnt unlock the brandset bonus from brazos for another skill tier to make this a 6 skill tier build, or unlock the gear set bonus for umbra. apples and oranges really

[hazy steeple]

You know what Memento does do? Have a worthwhile replacement for a lost Backpack Talent, one of the strongest damage sources in the game.

[feral anvil]

i find ninjabike fulfills that missing backpack talent for this build. i do know it doesnt work for most builds.

[shy willow]

The problem with ninja is it's talent isn't good enough to warrant losing a bag talent

[hazy steeple]

Use what you love and all that, but if you post that in public, people are going to criticise.

[shy willow]

While memento's is among the strongest in the game

[feral anvil]

i really dont care if people criticize to be perfectly honest. the build works just fine. i know NBB is not worth it in most scenarios. it works for this build tho. hybrid damage and lots of survivability. id argue with the results not the build

[hazy steeple]

You can get results with a lot of things, but as I said; enjoy your build.

[dreamy valve]

My best build advice is to play what you want

[subtle bluff]

Solo play, almost anything is viable. If you can't clear, then yes better build and gameplay is the issue.

When I really have issues is when people are building that don't help a group with clearing content.

[fair dragon]

What about the Momento

[feral anvil]

i wanted a build where i would have good weapon damage without my skills feeling utterly useless, probably one of my favorite builds tbh. feel like a lore accurate division agent. good weapon damage, skill damage, and healing all around.

[rich lotus]

I agree

w build

[feral anvil]

🏃‍♂️ 💨

[fair dragon]

You're lucky I don't have knees

[subtle bluff]

I'm ok with people using NBB in solo stuff, but I have issues when they claim a build does better than a build without it or they're having issues with a build with it.

[feral anvil]

my build is better than yours cus im wearing NBB. sorry for you to find out this way.

[subtle bluff]

if it works for you good. If you have issues the build or you have issues in team play then ya.

[feral anvil]

i dont because NBB is love and NBB is life. i would rather have someone put a NBB on me instead of use defibrilators if my heart stopped

[fair dragon]

That's loyalty

[feral anvil]

thats love in its purest form

[dreamy valve]

Anyone here feel the same for the Kneedpad version?

Anyone except good ‘ol Azurmen

[fair dragon]

Yeah nah

[civic siren]

I need to farm emperors guard kneepads what’s the fastest and easiest way to get them I have a couple pairs but I need specific roles

[fair dragon]

You either farm a lot of Named Item Caches, or

Is it a DZ item?

[civic siren]

Not dz exclusive

Wait nvm they are

[fair dragon]

Yup

So DZ would be another method, but you can get its blueprint from Descent - Reconstructed Caches.

Which one is fastest? Hard to say

[civic siren]

I ain’t a descent runner and not rlly a fan on it so I’d prolly rather wait till targeted loot is murikami in dz

[terse scroll]

the new Turmoil kneepads are fun to use, does anyone have any good builds with them? I'm just using them in my Striker build atm

[fair dragon]

I've heard it's good with Pestilence builds and Headhunter builds

[solar sable]

with hotshot is just like kfc
"finger lickin' good"

[fair dragon]

Huh?

[solar sable]

I may have translated wrong

[devout iris]

so are the new gloves worth using in a striker build?

[patent fossil]

Exodus? They are quite popular, like having an unbreakable talent on 90s cooldown

[devout iris]

cause i was thinking of using them in pve striker build

[violet juniper]

that build...

If it works for you I guess

If I saw that in my lobby I'd remove you immediately though

[versed summit]

40 second last I checked

[patent fossil]

Even better!

[versed summit]

Yeah they’re cracked

[tame crane]

What do the Exodus gloves do again? I rarely pay attention to the new exotics

I wish the MP7 was less «niche», would love it if it was just like Elmo good for dps builds

[versed summit]

Takes you out of combat for 3 seconds and allows you to regenerate up to full armor.

[versed summit]

St. Elmo’s Engine is stupid. Exotics shouldn’t be stat sticks with bad talents, it’s just boring.

[tame crane]

Out of combat for 3 seconds? Oh theyre the ones with the smoke or?

[versed summit]

Ye

[tame crane]

I mean yeah I see your point, the gun is just loaded with stats with a really mid talent, but cant deny that it is one of the few last exotics I can think of that is actually reliable to use

Outside of nieche builds/specific situations

[magic pilot]

Out of the new ones?

Elmo was probably the best thing we got recently

Strega I think is under used mostly because of the magsize and low chc, with a slight buff it would be perfect

[tame crane]

Yup

What builds is Strega good for? I put it straight into my stash the second I got it

[fresh fox]

striker

[tame crane]

Well low mag size and low chc, I see why its under used then

Also it has somewhat low ROF if I remember correctly? Compared to other AR’s

[magic pilot]

Ouro I guess is the best exotic since Elmo

[tame crane]

Ouro came out after Elmo?

[versed summit]

Only a problem on rpm is striker tbh

Iron lung tho

[magic pilot]

Yea

[magic pilot]

Oh true

[versed summit]

Mosquito is kinda good now, niche tho

[magic pilot]

In raids it's good

[versed summit]

Where are people using it in raids?

[fair dragon]

FBI

[fresh fox]

couldn’t tell you other than for speed stuff

maybe like key tank and fieser (if you don’t stay in with him)

or plane trio

[strong veldt]

Anyone ever figure out why on earth would someone use rugged gauntlets?

[onyx sage]

to meme

[civic turret]

Ouro not really having an exotic trait you can take advantage of consistently kind of sucks, but I do like that weapon.

And yeah Strega is very strong when it's fully ramped up, but it could use a little love on the base stats.

[glossy scarab]

you can one shot with a headhunter build without coming out of cover if you use determined. but its a ridiculous way to attempt to play the game

[civic turret]

I saw somewhere on a tool tip or a spreadsheet or something that Adrenaline Rush was 10% not 20%. I've been chasing Matador for a 9% difference this whole time.

This is what happens when you don't pay full attention, folks.

[fresh fox]

yea it’s like 1% in pvp iirc

it’s worth it though

[strong veldt]

You can do that without the gloves...

[glossy scarab]

oh. lol figures

like, without pressing the aim button?

[strong veldt]

Well with HH/determined, there's not much you can't kill

[glossy scarab]

this is with the gloves. if you can do it without them i dont understand why they would even make those gloves

[strong veldt]

If you know where your center yes but maybe the gloves makes that center bigger? Makes it easier? But yes, speedrunner especially learn where the center is quickly so they can shoot off sticky bombs without aiming. Some ppl even put tape on they're TV's or screen to make it easier to know where that center is at all times

[glossy scarab]

damn thats wild

[strong veldt]

Okay, that's pretty cool

[onyx sage]

yeah we usually use a crosshair

but i'm just the average player

[glossy scarab]

lol

sure

[onyx sage]

this game is too hard man

[strong veldt]

On PC yeah, they use a third party program to put a kind of holographic crosshair, but on console, you gotta be more redneck about it 🤣 you have to DIY it and use tape

[vestal ibex]

Screens have built in cross hairs too so you can use them for consoles or anything on screen.

[strong veldt]

Yeah but it's gotta be relatively new screen or gamer screen, I've never had a screen with a built in crosshair, but my screen is like 10 yrs old 🤣 it's a 3D from back when the 3D boom was going on and you could buy 3D blu rays, unfortunately the glasses give me a massive headache so i cant even use it 😭

[feral anvil]

if you tried it your eyes would be opened and you would cry tears of joy

[violet juniper]

nah im good

[feral anvil]

also tears of remorse 💔

[fresh fox]

they thought it would be funny

[glossy scarab]

i think they think its funny every time they release an exotic that almost no one has any use for

[civic turret]

Split builds + Ninjabike backpack are 2 things the Div 2 community are preprogrammed to be negative about.

All roads lead to Striker.

[fresh fox]

in pve

ninja has uses in pvp

like that build

and healer for example

pvp healer

[feral anvil]

real they all complain about build diversity and then cry about something they havent tried 😭 oh well

[civic turret]

I'm probably a little more open minded when it comes to builds in this game, but yes that statement was about PVE.

Half the fun is putting together builds that are both enjoyable to play and capable.

[bright raptor]

oh I see we're back on "respect my build" programming

[glossy scarab]

We need to get used to "everyone is gonna make fun of my build but I like it and have the self assurance to not care and use it anyway"

[civic turret]

It's easy to throw together something that spreadsheets well or looks good at the range. There's more nuance to builds than that, but I'm not dying on that hill with a community that isn't going to change its mind.

[feral anvil]

refer to my statement last night. div 2 community is so addicted to spreadsheets instead of actually trying something new. i have all the meta loadouts and who wouldve known that meta isnt always what is the most fun 😲

[urban latch]

All roads certainly dont lead to striker, but theres good reason those things are dumped on

[civic turret]

"Most" roads then.

[urban latch]

less than you would think

[civic turret]

Agree to disagree I guess.

Now to be fair I'm saying that's usually the consensus. It's not how I see it myself.

[glossy scarab]

I'm loving a good old high end red crit build these days

[onyx sage]

i just love HHF

[bright raptor]

Congratulations, planning on running for office with that martyrhood complex?

[feral anvil]

wth are you on about

[patent fossil]

There's a reason people tend to use spreadsheets - because data of that sort is measurable and provable. Otherwise everyone is arguing based on how things 'feel' to them and it's extremely difficult to actually compare anything in any meaningful way.

When it comes to build advice on a public discord, people generally want to know what is 'better', and we have to have some easy way of measuring that.

[civic turret]

100%, as long as there's an admission that it's incomplete. You're not doing that damage if you're down or missing your shots.

[patent fossil]

'Better' generally is interpreted as meaning 'kills things faster' (at least in dps type builds), while a metric like 'fun' is so much a matter of taste as to be functionally meaningless

[civic turret]

Great resource for everyone, but not the only factor.

[bright raptor]

literally none of your posts here are about giving advice or looking for advice, just incessant droning about how you're special

literally, just log off and run for office, you have the personality type for it

[feral anvil]

are u actually crying in build advice? real tears?

[patent fossil]

Yes, some metrics are much harder to measure in practice, but that's why we generally recommend, say, famas over AK - because the handling helps land more shots

[bright raptor]

Anyway, since it got buried by the last "I'm special" argument, how does the +10% crit damage mod compare to the +20 bullets magazine capacity mod on the rifles that already have 30 or more bullets in the magazine?

[civic turret]

Well this took a weird turn.

[burnt gate]

I don't see an issue with anyone using spreadsheets etc. Without the likes of iKea and DOD regnbue some of the finer details would be confusing to me. Meta is an issue in many games but for something that applies a light amount of maths like the division it's nice to have in depth discussion on how a build or certain pieces perform.

[onyx sage]

the 10% crit damage mod is usually very bad in terms of burst dps and that's what it really helps anyway, but the +20 rounds helps burst more AND it also helps sustain

[burnt gate]

This is like one of those "if Mary had 500 apples" problems

[feral anvil]

crying turned into a half-insult and a fake question for advice 😭 most well-mannered division 2 player

[patent fossil]

Let's not get into a series of personal attacks, it doesn't serve any useful purpose here.

[feral anvil]

yeah man we all love NBB here you are amongst friends

[urban latch]

so like... your just here to troll then?

[feral anvil]

you know my messages go a lot further back than just today right

[burnt gate]

The teapot knows best 💚

[feral anvil]

i wouldnt say light hearted humor is trolling either LOL

[burnt gate]

Can we discuss the new knee pads

What's everyone's opinions

[feral anvil]

i like them a lot with a striker bighorn build with perfect glass

[bright raptor]

usually they go on other mutual servers to backseat mod there over grievances instead

[burnt gate]

Oops auto mod don't like the b.. ch word haha

[civic turret]

Well sorry this somehow devolved into whatever stupidity this is, but yeah spreadsheets are indeed valuable. Especially when you haven't played in awhile.

[magic pilot]

Most of them lead to headhunting if you really go down the rabbit hole

[hexed anvil]

Do oxys benefit from vigilance?

[patent fossil]

Nope, total weapon damage doesn't boost skills

[glossy scarab]

DTOC and DTA help oxidizers if I recall correctly

i was lucky to find a contractors gloves and foxes prayers with skill damage rolls on them so i could give them yellow cores

[fresh fox]

yea

they do

[hexed anvil]

so whats the best in slot backpack talent for oxy builds?

[patent fossil]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/1c09313f-9578-c07b-520a-a1488f85608b/f4dee0a528ddebf612e6131b0c658690

from the pinned spreadsheet

[fresh fox]

tech support, acostas and energize are the most used

[hexed anvil]

cool thanks

[urban latch]

Mainly depends on where/what your using the oxy build for

[subtle bluff]

You build for the oxi turret?

[hexed anvil]

Yep

[magic pilot]

3pc empress, foxes, sacrifice, btsu all headshot damage + skill damage with nemesis and glory daze

[subtle bluff]

Hold on..

[magic pilot]

Where's the picture reference!

[subtle bluff]

I need to break up this guide in the parts since I get auto modded for post it the whole thing now

[magic pilot]

Come on chow

[subtle bluff]

Skill Oxy/Oxi Build

Incursion Oxidizer builds for courtyard turrets and can be used for Floor 100 and few other places.

TLDR Video of the build
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHPD-SK8h1s&t=980s

The Old version of the builds is a good explanation of why we use Oxi builds.

Full Video for Oxidizing Incursion Turrets Guide https://youtu.be/F0iDr6YzhtI?

There will be a few different versions of this:

• Cheap versions
• More Stats versions
  All works just fine.

Specialization & Skills

Technician | Restorer Artificer Hive/Oxidizer Chem Launcher

Weapons

Primary: Glory Daze (AR P416)
Secondary: LMG or Shotgun w/In Sync if not Capacitor work
Sidearm: N/A

Gear Setup:

Cheap Version

• 3pc Refactor
• Wyvern Chest w/Glass Cannon or The Sacrifice
• Fox's Prayer Kneepads w/Skill Damage

More Stats

• 3pc Empress International w/Glass Cannon
• Fox's Prayer Kneepads w/Skill Damage

2 different options for Overcharging

(BiS) Versions: BTSU
Exotic: Gloves BTSU DataGlovesz Add 1pc Wyvern build u
Backpack talent w/Tech Support

Version: Acosta's
Exotic: Backpack Acosta's Go-Bag
Contractor's Gloves (Petrov Defense Group)

Cores

5 Skill Tiers (+1 Technician) | 1 Red core

Attributes

Skill Damage > Skill Haste > Weapon Handling

Gear Mods

Skill Duration > Skill Haste

Notes

• Chemical Launcher is a very unique skill. It'll take the talent from the weapon talent, and some attributes will carry over like DTA and DTTooC. Glory Daze is a must before going to Chem Launcher the distance is so far it's hard to hit where you need to.
• After you've fired your set amount of launchers, switch your 2nd gun so you can give it more dmg. If you're on the BTSU version, hit adds to get your buffs going

@hexed anvil there

[hardy scroll]

is Pestilence the best LMG build? and if so can someone share a good build for it?

[subtle bluff]

Idk if there one int he Pinned Messages or not if not let me know.

[hexed anvil]

Perfect all Info I needed thanks. I asked coz someone was running vigilance and was insisting it increases oxy dmg. So I just wanted to make sure the best talent is.

[subtle bluff]

Yeah... LOL that's funny but it's always good to ask!
If you need more help with the line-up remind me later and I'll teach better in game with you.

[hardy scroll]

I am looking in the spreadheet, I may be over looking it, all I see is one that says coming soon.

[hexed anvil]

Yea I can take them out with 3 on each side, my ocd just want best of the best build

[subtle bluff]

Copy. When I'm doing LFG runs I do 2-1-2 then the rest on the ads to help out as much. Speeds I'm doing 3-1-3 more expertise for damage.

[subtle bluff]

Yeah, I'll have to make a better guide later.
IDK if there is a "BiS" because some playstyle will come into play here.
It's hard grind get prefect but just having the base will work well. You can use a Ceska to sub in one of the pieces.

[hardy scroll]

Great thank you, I had a pestilence drop and wanted to try it out, now to throw the build together.

[charred eagle]

Anybody got an umbra build that uses rifles? Or a video I can watch?

[subtle bluff]

OOPS here. Pesti CHC is BiS

[patent fossil]

Pic doesn't show chest talent - glass cannon?

[subtle bluff]

OOPS yea yea hold on

[subtle bluff]

OH a bug! Talent can't be put on that yet on the builder.
@hardy scroll Here update but GC for chest but you can run Obi for if you don't get a GC for it.

[subtle bluff]

Go OD for rifles. It's much easier to run.

[charred eagle]

Yea I got one right now but seen a few ppl talk about it with umbra.

Damn lightweight m4 giving me hell by not droppin

[subtle bluff]

who's a few? YouTubers?
Umbra isn't super special or anything but keeping the talent up is some effort and when it's not up it'll hurt.

OD just synergizes really well with Rifles. Sadist needs to be on HE Rifle and Fox's just slots in prefect on the build.

[charred eagle]

HE rifle? N a few ppl on Reddit were talking about it. But no doubt OD is amazing with rifles. I’m contemplating more armor tho because it is a squishy build with all 6 red cores

But I use coyote instead of fox prayer knees

[glossy scarab]

i cant believe i never tried OD with a rifle. I've stuck with ARs and LMGs. this GR9 is what i usually main with bc its really hard to run out of bleed bullets when you have 200-250 rounds in the mag.

[subtle bluff]

HE (High-End)

[glossy scarab]

i gotta try the new AR "goalie" with it with the status effects talent

[subtle bluff]

OD is better with higher base dmg weapons.

[glossy scarab]

cool I'll give it a shot. any particular rifle you think works best?

[civic turret]

What do you typically see for Ravenous? HE?

For PVE to clarify.

[glossy scarab]

yeah high end not exotic. i dont have a rav

[civic turret]

I'm just curious what everyone runs with it. I've gone HE for it so far.

[glossy scarab]

oh i see. i'll try mk17, M1A CQB, MDR , ACR SS etc. i guess

[tidal swan]

I use what I want and I feel no shame

if I'm not doing any serious speeding where it matters I'll make shit as easy as possible for myself

[magic pilot]

bro is on a 24 hour cooldown

[onyx sage]

but sir, speeding gets you tickets

[tidal swan]

was napping

[rich lotus]

Does anyone have a layout like this for a heartbreaker build?

[versed summit]

No I haven’t made one

But I’m happy you found the layout useful

There’s a heartbreaker guide in the pinned spreadsheet though that I’d highly recommend

[rich lotus]

I did thank you

I will check out the spreadsheet

[cerulean smelt]

i'm confused unless it's a typo on your part? you got a cheap version 3pc refactor, a wyvern or sacrifice for chest, and fox's prayer kneepads which only equals 5 pieces? what's the 6th piece unless you mean to type our 4 refactor?

[vestal ibex]

BTSU

Or acosta if you keep reading.

[cerulean smelt]

ah thank you. i did see the btsu part below but just wasn't sure if that was included in the build in general. my bad

[vestal ibex]

Yeah it's kinda a use these 5 pcs then pick the 6th for how you wanna OC.

[subtle bluff]

I edited and updated this really quickly and normally it maybe not be the best when I'm doing quickly and typing.
Thankie Soulesss

[cerulean smelt]

curious, is there a difference in looks with the vectors?

ah nm, i finally see which vector that is from the bottom left. i missed it since i saw a bunch of numbers there and wasn't sure there was an indication of which vector it is

[prime elbow]

This good? And for the love of god either say "yes" or "no" tired of the Striker worship

[cerulean smelt]

it's not so much of worshipping the strike build, it's just you only need weapon damage and recalibrate the attribute to chc until 50-55% or 60% if you want to go all in, then for the lack of CHD you grab what you can to reach a higher number in that
but from what i can see shouldn't be a problem considering you're goign CHC/CHD on the build with fox's and contractor's? hopefully you didn't go over the 60% chc in that get up though

[prime elbow]

it did by 3%

[glossy scarab]

the ceska piece probably isnt necessary. i have a build just like this where i use an improvised piece in that spot (so i can use an extra 12% chd mod on it) but you could replace it with a walker and harris piece and it might do a bit better. but still its a fine build, it'll get the job done

[cerulean smelt]

was going to say if one of your mods is CHC, swap it to CHD

[prime elbow]

All CHD

[cerulean smelt]

so snaff made a suggestion of dropping the ceska for a walker and harris which 1 of that would boost your weapon damage otherwise go ham on whatever content you're using it for

[prime elbow]

Saw that, I'll swap once I get one

[cerulean smelt]

i'd honestly say, try them both out. whichever feels good to you play that

[subtle bluff]

Yup all 3 are different.

[subtle bluff]

Go try out OD, HB and HF then.

[cerulean smelt]

i meant visually. like between the 9mm and 45
think i've gotten both and both seemed the same visually but i only notice think the 45 can have an underbarrel mod?

[subtle bluff]

I only run Striker really now in Incursion, if I'm DPS in leggo and parts of DH.

[versed summit]

They are all visually different

[subtle bluff]

OOPS all 3 are different visually and stats wise.

[cerulean smelt]

ah thanks
was thinking of trying that build i posted but at first glance i didn't see which version of vector it was

[urban latch]

Yes, that's a good build.

You don't really need the acs12, that's kind of a striker thing

[prime elbow]

Any recommendations?

[cerulean smelt]

smg or maybe one of the few Auto shooting Rifles?

whew, got scared there for a moment. swapped ubisoft accounts and was met with "wrong email/password combination" as i wanted to log in and get a picture of a build i haven't broken apart yet

first pic the gear
second is stats with said gear

i need to change that gloves though i think? contractor's? maybe exodus?

[hazy hull]

So good news I can one shot everything on heroic now

Bad news hunters kill me in one shot by dealing like a million damage

[patent fossil]

yeah you have to be cautious around hunters, watch their movement patterns and learn when it's safe to shoot

[hazy hull]

It's the fact that one just fires of a damage hive immedatily

As soon as I enter the room

[subtle bluff]

a high burst DPS SMG if things get close.

[subtle bluff]

You're not gonna hotshot the F100 hunters.

[hazy hull]

Yeah I have learnt that

[soft forge]

What’s the best way to get blue cored striker?

[hazy hull]

Gonna get some matezs to help later

[grand girder]

what difficulty are you trying it on?

[hazy hull]

Originally challenging and then lowered it to normal

Still ain't gonna fix my hotshot build from getting demolished by them

[cerulean smelt]

finding the strikers with whatever attribute you want then recalibrating the weapon (red) to armor (blue)

[soft forge]

Oh shit that makes a lot of sense

I’m a dumbass

[cerulean smelt]

think i'm in love with this build again lmao

that's nuts. swapped the last piece of chc on gun to 10% chd and now i'm at 219% chd 👀

[patent fossil]

that's exactly the time when people are right to consider Foxes the better option, all those diminishing returns...

[fresh fox]

use a high end ar

[cerulean smelt]

i know, but it's looking pretty XD

[patent fossil]

Oh, it's turmoil, didn't realise. Fair enough then...

[cerulean smelt]

i thought people hate turmoil?

[fresh fox]

check out my really good high end build no gimmicks (striker.)

[patent fossil]

I think it's situational, but if you want it then the opportunity cost is foxes

[fresh fox]

238 chd.

308 with killer its really good.

smgs suck.

333 with dark winter if you are a smg noob.

[patent fossil]

Backfire is calling you

[fresh fox]

nope i hate stupid gimmicks.

[patent fossil]

But think of all the chd!

[fresh fox]

gimmick.

[cerulean smelt]

any reason for the 3 sokolov?

[fresh fox]

thats 2

[cerulean smelt]

ah my bad XD

[fresh fox]

wait i have a headshot damage selected

GG! -12

[cerulean smelt]

i see why the 2 sokolov now, much better than the 3 providence i'd need for that same amount XD

[cerulean smelt]

is there something out there pinned that explains the diminishing returns and when it starts affecting us adversly?

[violet juniper]

I made a hodge podged hybrid skill build

[magic pilot]

it affects you all the time

its just how math works

[cerulean smelt]

i get that part, just don't know if it's ever been explained in division 2 the total that's advisable to hit but not to go over

[onyx sage]

nah nah bro it kicks in when you're 180% or something it's a magical number

don't use math bro it's hard

[magic pilot]

its mostly reffered to with crit

[onyx sage]

the average player doesn't use math

[magic pilot]

sometimes headshot dmg

[fresh fox]

as long as you arent fully into crit damage you are fine

[onyx sage]

they just run like a lunatic towards the enemy, gets shot, dies and complains on discord

[fresh fox]

just put some eggs in the dttoc and dta basket despite whatever chd you are at

[onyx sage]

now the average player likes to hear "multiplicative"

[magic pilot]

dtooc and dta for multiplicative pseudo amplification

[onyx sage]

yeah bro fox bis

[pale solar]

Any advise I have a striker build but I was just messing around with something different. I'm going to roll the glove for CHC.

[magic pilot]

uhhhh

[fresh fox]

ninjabike bad

[magic pilot]

is the striker in the room with us

[versed summit]

I’d recommend checking out the heartbreaker build in the pinned spreadsheet

[violet juniper]

swap the holster for a HB holster and the gloves for the Eagles Grasp gloves

[fresh fox]

dont do that

[violet juniper]

reread the sentence, although it isn't that clear the first time you read it

[fresh fox]

unless you are doing headshot or something

[bold leaf]

Why flatline on the M4 with no way of pulsing?

Other than HB I guess

[magic pilot]

yea because the phone picture of the screen and the ninja threw me off

[pale solar]

Headshots pulse

[fresh fox]

flatline gives a damage bonus to pulsed targets

[violet juniper]

one headshot gives pulse

[magic pilot]

for like 1s

[violet juniper]

Really I'd run Dare

maybe Closer for perfect Spotter?

[fresh fox]

do not

dont run dare either

[bold leaf]

Delete NBB first

[versed summit]

Heartbreaker chest is BIS

[fresh fox]

the weapons are fine, ninja bike is the problem

take ninjabike off, use like memento and a ceska piece instead and its chill

[karmic osprey]

im messing around with my build would this do any good for anything or do i need to change some things

[violet juniper]

Unless you're doing raid or incursion you don't really want to use striker chest

[fresh fox]

i wouldnt use striker chest unless in like legendaries and incursion

[karmic osprey]

thats all ive been doing is raids and incursions

[bold leaf]

Try swapping Memento for Ninja Bag

[violet juniper]

scrap those gloves though

[fresh fox]

ok well that build also sucks in those because memento sucks in those

[violet juniper]

I'd say run coyote mask, striker chest, gloves, holster and knees, then a vigi backpack

should be good

[fresh fox]

dont run striker chest and a vigi bag

[violet juniper]

Do not recommend the stupid obliterate chest in raids

[bold leaf]

Wait what

[fresh fox]

its better than striker chest

[versed summit]

Why?

[pale solar]

Why is ninja bike the problem? I don't totally understand. Yes my holster could be switch for HB so I can run better gloves but with ninjabike I get way more attributes. Explain why momento is better please

[fresh fox]

im afraid that you are wrong here

[versed summit]

You’re really having the worst takes rn grem

[violet juniper]

I prefer glass cannon lol

[versed summit]

Prefer

[onyx sage]

memento's talent beats the brands you boost from ninjabike by a landslide

[fresh fox]

backpack talents are really good in pve and ninjabike doesnt give enough damage to warrant running it

[violet juniper]

NBB is ass because you miss out on backpack talents

[fresh fox]

and im not talking to you

im talking to him

[bold leaf]

The Ninja bag takes the place of a backpack talent, which is one of the best sources of damage increase etc in the game. No extra brand bonus is worth giving up that talent

[pale solar]

Okay you convinced me.

[fresh fox]

take a look at the builds in this document and their notes
https://lite.evernote.com/note/0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a

[bold leaf]

Also Memento is way better because its talent boosts weapons, skills and armour. So as long as you can keep getting kills and pick up the trophies, you'll benefit greatly from it. It falls apart in things like the raids and incursion where there aren't as many opportunities to gain those trophies

The key is selecting the right gear piece for the content you're running

[rich lotus]

Sassy…

[violet juniper]

what the genuine hell is that banner

[rich lotus]

Personally I think Protective Reload is the best chest talent for raids

[onyx sage]

i personally would take reassigned

[violet juniper]

It's clearly entrench

[rich lotus]

Perfect Reassigned 😻

[violet juniper]

If they made a perfect reassigned where one kill gives you a full mag of a random ammo type, I'd use it

that would be so fun

[onyx sage]

i can see that being next year's april fools

temu OD

[rich lotus]

I have the urge right now to get on the game and make the most absurd builds

and then bring them into LFG’s

[onyx sage]

2p shiny monkey 2p 5.11 picaro NBB

you're welcome

[rich lotus]

I want to make a max swap speed build

[violet juniper]

5pc improv and NBB

[rich lotus]

and then throw grenades

[violet juniper]

I saw a guy running a weapon handling build

never seen someone so efficient in my life

[rich lotus]

Truly a gamer

[gloomy fossil]

made a build with haste and damage for skills and turn out that skills are really underwelming , did i make it wrong or its true?

i wanted to make a build with turret + the thing that fly

my striker build make much much more damage (hate the build tho)

[cerulean smelt]

probably depends what you put together? if you choosen one of the ones in the pin here, might be an optimization thing or expertise thing

[pastel shard]

I mean in reality if u can keep ur striker stacks up it’s gonna out perform most builds

[cerulean smelt]

especially if one can keep their rogue momentum tier 5? (> <)

[gloomy fossil]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/a7081cdc-b5c5-7677-e166-b27ea3b2f6f8
i did this, didnt do the talent thing tho idk if its that

[cerulean smelt]

which one? the glass cannon on the chest or the combined arms on the back?

[gloomy fossil]

i didnt do neither

[glossy scarab]

i tried that too just out of curiousity and because i was trying to make eagle bearer easier to headshot with hah.

[cerulean smelt]

the talents for the build is extremely important

[gloomy fossil]

i cant tinker talent?

[cerulean smelt]

not on the named items

least named chest and backpacks

[gloomy fossil]

lol it was the right one

[cerulean smelt]

normal and perfect does the same thing. depending how they alter it. sometimes the percentages are a bit higher. sometimes it's a faster cool down timer or it just lasts a bit longer

as for the weapons the named ones might not give a perfect talent on it, it might be a stat that's higher on it. like white death Marksman rifle having a higher headshot damage attached to it that you can't change or pull off for other guns

[gloomy fossil]

thank you for the tips

[cerulean smelt]

you're welcome
when i started div 2 i never found many good skill builds. when they redid the gears i've seen some vids with skill builds and liked a few

one i absolutely hated farming was my mortar + seeker mine build. those 2 pieces of Grupo was a pain to get skill damage and status effects on it so i can change to skill tier

[gloomy fossil]

feel ya similar happened to me in wow, did 40 dungeon to get the item i wanted ( each 20-30min)

,.

how does some items come with 1-2 slot attribute and some 3 slot that are filled, how to add another modifier in thoses slots

[cerulean smelt]

yellow chest, backpack and mask gets a mod slot if you go buy the brands. gearsets (green) usually a core and 1 attribute along with the chest, back and mask having the mod slot

now if you fancy losing 3 brands or gear sets you can spend your time in hell crafting up improvised gears which will give you 6 mods to slot in

[gloomy fossil]

buy the brand?

[cerulean smelt]

brands will have an icon and name like the one you showed Hana-U Corporation and the icon on the far right

[gloomy fossil]

im dumb, i just realized its not a attribute, but a item i put in the item

[cerulean smelt]

think the maximum mod slots you can get in a build is 7? if you farm the loot goblin for a chill out Gila guard mask

[glad heart]

Interesting. When I built my mortar + seeker build, I crafted kneepads and gloves. Since I always craft for DPS Red builds, the bench loves to give me skill attributes, so I had gloves and kneepads in 2 crafts each with skill damage and skill haste. Did not think of getting status effects instead of skill haste. In the end though, I found the build to be rather underwhelming anyway.

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i use the CHina Light named backpack Strategic Alignment. When you apply a status effect your skill damage gets an increase

[glad heart]

IIRC, I was running Shock and Awe...

[cerulean smelt]

think taht's the talent but Perfect on Strategic Alignment

[hexed steppe]

Shock and awe good. But it's the lowest damage of the 3

Long lasting skills I use tech support,
Short burst damage skills like mortar I find perfect combined arms is superior

[hexed steppe]

I really doubt the improvised was worth on a skill build tho. Contractors gloves would have benefit mortar a lot

[glad heart]

I crafted Grupo pieces, not Imporvised.

[hexed steppe]

Oic

Still, gloves bis technically contractors for standard build

Just means its holster/knee/mask for Grupo

But with seekers, idk, the better return is from hardwire specifically because they are high cooldown. Mortar good feedback loop proc also

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 so fox's skill damage/skill tier wouldn't be an increased damage?

[hexed steppe]

Not on explosives, only oxi and demo firefly

Idk why demo firefly gets it tbh

[cerulean smelt]

but somehow contractor's applies? interesting

[hexed steppe]

Dta isnt the same as dttooc

But they dont improve damage on non armor npcs

[glad pilot]

if they dont have armor they weak to begin with kinda

[hexed steppe]

Not the point. Everything is weak against mortar

[cerulean smelt]

i kind of figure. like if you throw seekers and they're in cover the damage doesn't increase
just thought maybe if one times it right. throw seekers, shoot mortar on a target they roll out of cover seeker mines heads to them and they get hit contractors and fox's damage

[hexed steppe]

I wish. Especially since my cap has dta and dttooc on the mortar setup

I dont even run contractors on my mortar. Btsu trumps since I use hive. Stinger hive > cluster seekers

[cerulean smelt]

for me. i use Ceasar's Guard chest for that perfect skilled and tend to get seeker mine off a seeker or mortar kill and i spam another set of seekers

[hexed steppe]

Like 10mil regular mortar strike on fully procced talents.

Oc pushes it to 13mil

[gloomy fossil]

ty for the tips, did a mission and i did 400m dps with this , (same as everyone else)

[cerulean smelt]

you're welcome. were you the one that mentioned not having the talents on teh chest and backpack?

[hexed steppe]

Just use hw and get damage chest and guaranteed cluster spam

[gloomy fossil]

yes, talent changed everything

[cerulean smelt]

i do have that one too. think last season? had a journey for explosive kills or seeker mine kills? i just used that and spammed in targeting range or actually did missions with it don't remember

[hexed steppe]

I did same. Just missions. Didnt know range was broken last season .
Hw cluster oxi was pretty good

[cerulean smelt]

i almost mess that up. seeker, oxi, reset oxi 😢

[hexed steppe]

You really gotta put my mortar setup through its paces tho. You would guaranteed fall in love, no cap😍

[cerulean smelt]

i might farm up a china light backpack and put on the tech support and give it a shot

oh wait, maybe i'm recalling a build in the spreadsheet with tech support on it

[hexed steppe]

Also realize 18 charge stinger hive is around 50-70mil total damage that can hit a single target or huge area full of NPCs .
I cant remember exact blast damage but I can give a closer total after I log

[cerulean smelt]

did i miss you mentioning the chest talent? going to assume glass cannon?

[hexed steppe]

Pgc

Sacrifice

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, new it the moment i read pgc like ohhhh 🤔

[hexed steppe]

My build is linked on the sheet and in profile

[gloomy fossil]

any way to make use of this?

[hexed steppe]

This season makes it even more insane tbh. You got oc on demand from overdrive and team oc with btsu

[cerulean smelt]

i've noticed that XD

not to mention just OC reaching Tier 5 normally

[hexed steppe]

Care if I pm you a yt link?

[cerulean smelt]

oof, would have to farm up a 2nd grupo. currently i think i got gloves and knees

[cerulean smelt]

sure

[hexed steppe]

You can sub in 1 wyvern and a second hanna if no grupo. 2 grupo or no grupo 🔥

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i was going to say. i'm not seeing link your profile here. i got a eclipse build link there? then i did something else and i see your mortar build and was likeohhhh

i'm tempted to buy this

[tulip charm]

💀

[hexed steppe]

it fits, get one for me too
/j mods , dont ban me

[fresh fox]

none

[gloomy fossil]

thanks

[peak moss]

Confused why I can’t replace skill haste for another crit damage attribute