td2-build-advice

[charred lily]

i havent seen it look like this

[gentle lichen]

The picture? Just typed in healer in this chat search and looked at media lol

[charred lily]

oh lol

[gentle lichen]

But yeah pinned spreadsheet has most if not all your optimal builds

[kindred mango]

Yes vanilla striker 👍

[prime elbow]

Can the EB and Ravenous drop in the NY DZs?

or just in Washington

[bold leaf]

There aren't any NYC DZs

[sand bronze]

Hi guy’s where looted the item called picaro holster please !!! Good game agent

[wheat current]

you can get it from countdown or the summit your choice of difficulty

make sure you focus loot as well when doing so

[sand bronze]

No drop on the 2 hours of the summit 😬😬😬

[wheat current]

go countdown then lol better drops

[sand bronze]

Ok thanks guys 😉😉😉

[prime elbow]

If I were to make a healer build would this be a good gun to use? Planning to swap the last attribute for dttoc

[wheat current]

what is dttoc?

[prime elbow]

Damage To Targets Out of Cover

not sure if there's another abbreviation

[hazy steeple]

Usually "dtooc" is used, but dttoc gets the message across.

[prime elbow]

I see, but still. Is that a good weapon for a healer build?

[urban latch]

no, reformation is pretty useless on a healer. Generally the best weapons are scorpio and lefty to proc opportunistic, CC, and sledgehammer

[prime elbow]

Should I keep it or reroll it until it procs dtooc

[urban latch]

its worth going until you get dtooc

[prime elbow]

ok

[patent fossil]

Get a second one to roll and use that in the meantime

[wheat current]

how do you reroll? lol

[cerulean smelt]

you visit inaya in DC BOO and buy the reconfigure blueprint

[wheat current]

that a good one? for a bighorn or is dtooc better?

[versed summit]

DTOOC always

[wheat current]

ty

[violet juniper]

It's Brazos de Arcubuz brand, run countdown on challenging and I guarantee you'll get at least 3 within your first 3 runs

[violet juniper]

DTOOC unless your Crit chance is still under 30, then I'd personally run Crit chance

in all other situations, DTOOC is king

[sonic pier]

I just re installed the game so I am here ask if the build is good ? So not what to do ? 🙂

[junior surge]

Honestly, don't worry about the build until you're level 40, you'll want to replace everything once you hit lv 40 anyway

[cerulean smelt]

oh good catch, i was thinkign they were shd 34 XD

[sonic pier]

thank you bro

[bright raptor]

to be fair even for a SHD 34 the answer is often "you will get better loot in time"

[waxen sage]

why does iKia's striker build just recommend using a standard famas 2010. what does he mean by this. surely something like the st elmos would be better no?

[cerulean smelt]

not everyone has a St Elmo so a famas 2010 is recommended for the high RPM and how well it shoots

[waxen sage]

but if i have exotics like st elmos and chameleon its probably better to use those over the famas right

[subtle bluff]

More or less.

[cerulean smelt]

depends, i don't like elmos because i get them kneeling behind cover most times

[subtle bluff]

Player Preferences and/or play style

[waxen sage]

ok team thank you

[onyx sage]

exotics aren't always better fyi

especially chameleon

[cerulean smelt]

i've been hooked on the MK16 because an old buddy of mine showed me the way of it

[waxen sage]

oh i just assumed the exotics would always be better ill have to try out some of the gold guns

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say chameleon 1-1k shd is good depending how people spent their points in the first bracket along with Coyotes

[onyx sage]

i wouldn't recommend it for general use

[cerulean smelt]

like me, i think i went weapon damage first XD

[onyx sage]

if they have nothing then yeah it's better than nothing

[waxen sage]

i tried it because i got really good attribute rolls on it and i couldnt hit a damn thing

[onyx sage]

but famas and police m4 are both craftable

it handles like a smg

[cerulean smelt]

my favorite thing about NPC getting shocked sometimes i get them doing a shocking slide to their next cover and then they kneel behind their cover while still shocked shakes head

[waxen sage]

which of these st elmos rolls do we think is better ive just been rockin the crit one

[cerulean smelt]

most will say the DMG to target out of cover (DTOC)

[onyx sage]

dttooc

[bright raptor]

the out of cover one also needs fewer optimizations to be perfected

[bright raptor]

is that you Mr Hegseth

[red island]

@patent fossil could use some help with that

[dim knoll]

Dunno people are snowflake now

lol

Deleted msg

[bright raptor]

still wanna do the "I am Spartacus" thing?

[red island]

people like to say they edgy and their edgy thing is just be insulting toward people that did nothing wrong xd

[cerulean smelt]

nods the troll beat me, i put them on ignore

[dim knoll]

Imagine being that much of a snowflake where you got to put your pronouns in your bio😂😂😂

[red island]

i dont think you know what snowflake or pronons mean

but glad you proved my point

[bright raptor]

neither you or the other guy are very good at this edgy insult thing, quit while you're ahead. Or not, same difference

[dim knoll]

lol cry il/any😂😂😂

[red island]

no but you dont get it, they have to pretend they're edgy, otherwise they lose

even if looks stupid

[cerulean smelt]

another on ignore, thinking probably the same person on another discord account honestly

[red island]

idk if its the same, thoses guys share one thought globally

hard to see the difference

[bright raptor]

oh they're typing!

[dim knoll]

We ain’t the same person lol but we both agree that people are soft and get hurt over words

[red island]

nobody is hurt here kiddo

you're the only one thinking like that

[dim knoll]

🤣

[cerulean smelt]

i dunno, you're saying the same things and resort to insulting people. seems the same to me

[bright raptor]

@Moderator role pings seem to be off, now using that to summon attention to yourself would be edgy

[red island]

@broken edge could use some help

[dim knoll]

😂

[bright raptor]

this is genuinely lamer than the guy insisting Explosive Delivery with artificer hive was meta

wonder if anyone saved the videos posted of that

[cerulean smelt]

what's that? like i could see explosive delivery with Hardwired honestly

[red island]

oh that was something

or like the guy with 200% weapon stability

thoses were funny

[bright raptor]

that really was the entire thing, they just threw the hive in the vicinity of something and it would theoretically kill something

Eventually

[cerulean smelt]

how does one even get 200%?

[broken edge]

what now

[red island]

i'll dm

[dim knoll]

Why not in chat😂

[charred lily]

when using acs12 with fast hands:
do the stacks reset when i swap to my other primary?
when do the reload speed stacks fade?

[bright raptor]

1. Yes
2. On reload

[charred lily]

ight ty

[red island]

idk, at this point im not even sure what would happen beside a laser rifle that reload isntantly

[cerulean smelt]

i don't think stability affects that honestly, but handling i could see instant reload though, but i doubt it'd be that close to instant reload though

[red island]

yeah i meant weapon handling

[cerulean smelt]

still don't even know how one would get 200% in that honestly. maybe 100%?

[red island]

i dont remember exactly

but it was a crazy number and gave it over 250% accuracy and stab

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 eagle's grasp might push you into it more maybe?

[red island]

prob

[cerulean smelt]

all i can see is having slower golden bullet reload times by maybe a few seconds?

[grand crypt]

Are there any other skill builds besides refractor

[red island]

hard wired

[bold leaf]

Mortar

[solar sable]

a lot
mortar, oxi, status effect, fire...

they're in the spreadsheet

[grand crypt]

Thanks

[cerulean smelt]

best i got was 115% weapon handling with brandsets. 3 of whatever eagle's grasp is and 3 overlord

at least according to this sites stats

[red island]

yeah i must remember it wrong idk

but it was a stupid build

such a funny build tho

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, sounds stupid in general XD

[red island]

yeah but stupid builds can be so fun

[cerulean smelt]

well, braced isn't being calculated in it, so 160% really if my math is right 115% +45%?

[bold leaf]

I was cooking up a stupid build earlier. Actually more cursed than stupid xD

[red island]

yes

[lilac anvil]

Looking for a bit of help with this new tinkering system, just getting back into the game and having trouble understanding it

My main issue is i am struggling to understand how to optimize attributes, I dont seem to have the option available to me to optimise the critical hit chance on these kneepads for example, no idea what slot attribute needs to be extracted means, dont remember this being a thing

[red island]

you can optimize as high as your librairy

if you havent extracted a max roll before, you cant optimize to max roll

its said on the box under the name optimization

[cerulean smelt]

basically you're sacrificing parts with higher rolls to get it so you can optimize to max/recalibrate to max on stuff

[lilac anvil]

I see, so i basically need to wait until i find a pair of knee pads with 6% crit hit?

[cerulean smelt]

must've been a really long time since you last played if you dont' rememer it being a thing

[lilac anvil]

hahahaha yeah quite a while

years

[cerulean smelt]

nods plus the other stuff in the other areas as well

doesn't have to be brand or gear specific. IE: don't have to find another fox's prayer to dismantle for the 6% chc and what not

[lilac anvil]

Thanks, just one last question, I have a holster with 10% weapon damage as an attribute, but when i go into my library this doesnt seem to be an option that is extractable

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, Picaro's Holster

[red island]

named stats cant be extracted

they are fixed on the item and cant be transfered

[cerulean smelt]

also named talents can't be extracted either

[cerulean smelt]

you just barely missed when it used to read 15% weapon damage 😢

[red island]

good times

[lilac anvil]

sounds like i need to find a better holster then hahaha

thanks for the help team

[cerulean smelt]

i rarely used it anyways. could never come up with a fun build with it in it. now i wish i would've had one at least

[red island]

its a good holster tbh, you cant have more than 10% weapon damage on it

[cerulean smelt]

nah another picaro's will drop with 10% on it anyways. it's forever stuck on it unless enough of us puts up a riot over it then maybe they'd consider putting it back

but i still doubt we'd get it back as it was part of their balancing aspect

[lilac anvil]

ill just ask you a quick question in terms of my current pvp build then whilst im here

This is what im working with currently, any reccomendations as to what could be changed would be appreciated

im probably so far behind everyone else that it doesnt even matter

[red island]

why grupo sombra bag and pretrov glove ?

[cerulean smelt]

probably contractor's gloves

[lilac anvil]

Dunno, swear it used to be the meta

[red island]

isnt grupo for smg damage ?

or am i mixing other brand ?

[cerulean smelt]

chd

[red island]

ah so its fine

[cerulean smelt]

sokolova is smg damage

[red island]

but the gloves are for lmg damage right ?

[lilac anvil]

yeah

so change the gloves?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, if it is the contractors is the damage to armor bit

[lilac anvil]

it is contractors yeah

[red island]

ah, then i guess its fine

[cerulean smelt]

knees is probably fox's prayer for the dtoc

[red island]

ye

i guess the build is fine then

[lilac anvil]

so its just a matter of optimisation

[cerulean smelt]

i don't pvp, so i wouldn't know honestly

[red island]

dont expertise your gear tho

it add so little armor

expertise your skills and weapon

[lilac anvil]

i suppose getting everything maxed out wouldnt hurt

ah right cool, i had forgotten what it does tbh

[cerulean smelt]

about only advantage i'd see with expertise armor is having that 20%+ base armor over people who doesn't in PvP. PVE it's like putting on wax paper and saying it's great XD

wouldn't hollowman help in that with the damage to health part or not really?

[red island]

people usually have much more armor than hp

[cerulean smelt]

if you do change your gloves i'd go with the exodus exotic gloves, though i dont' know how much more that'd help in pvp in general

[lilac anvil]

Okay great, thanks for the help, whats more popular now pvp or pve?

[cerulean smelt]

i've always pve until i joined a clan where we'd go 4 manning in DZ but that clan kind of quit playing (complete burn out i think?) but i probably burnt out more than them honestly XD

did see a recent build video on youtube (i know terrible) but they were using Sys Corruption with the exodus. looked pretty decent XD

sure most of the hightlighted video is where they did decent in the fights mostly and a lot of cut outs of them not doing so hot

[red island]

i'd use ceska instead but why not

[cerulean smelt]

nods i like ceska better

that was their chc/chd stats
with ceska i was able to push that a bit more with chd

[grand crypt]

On the spreadsheet, why do most of the builds have a wrench next to them? Is that important?

[cerulean smelt]

it's been recalibrated

[grand crypt]

Aah okay. Thought it meant skill builds lol.
Im trying to get another build with like +4 or higher skill tier

[cerulean smelt]

#td2-build-advice message
like this one right?

[cerulean smelt]

depending how you're going about it, should be pretty easy XD

[grand crypt]

Those

[grand crypt]

Idk wtf I'm doing so not necessarily lol. But I'll figure it out

[cerulean smelt]

think you click on those wrenches and it opens up to the full build

[cerulean smelt]

if you got the technician skill teir unlocked in the tree. that's 1 skill tier, equip the ninja backpack (most people hate this exotic) that's 2 skill tier. grab any Arca buz de brazo or Piacro's holster 3 skill tier. you recalibrate the holster or that brand from armor to skill tier that's 4 skill tiers already. then you have 4 pieces to play around with XD

[subtle bluff]

what's going on here..

Trying to make a Skill build with 6 skill tier?

[cerulean smelt]

ah someone needing some build advice based on what's in the spread sheets i think

[cerulean smelt]

#td2-build-advice message
i was just showing them how easy it'd be to hit 4 skill tiers XD

not sure what they're trying to do skill build wise

[red island]

i wonder whats the max core stat you can get

with technician skill tier and other bran bonuses

[subtle bluff]

A lot...

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 i'm thinking you can get by on maybe 1 red, 1 blue if you go technican + ninja back + picaros and then 2 palasades?

[red island]

but like most stats you can get are skill tier bonus, you dont get armor core or red core as bonuses

so its not that good

[subtle bluff]

We can do 6 Skill and 4 Red I think is the max

[cerulean smelt]

basically, you don't do skill damage, you don't do weapon damage and you don't have armor to last long XD

[red island]

also future perfect talent to get to 6 skill tier

[grand crypt]

I want a build with high skill tier and high dps

[subtle bluff]

IMO Hybrid Skill are better than pure Skill Build.

[red island]

you cant have both dps on guns and dps on skills

[subtle bluff]

High DPS no but able to do DPS yes.

[red island]

you get medium dps on both at best

[cerulean smelt]

i haven't made one that's fun so i couldn't say

[grand crypt]

So it's either high skill tier and skill dps or high gun dps little to no skill tier?

[red island]

ye basically

[cerulean smelt]

and i've been trying hard at making a hybrid skill tier build too

[subtle bluff]

I need more context how and why are using Skill and WD?

[red island]

its a shame everything is balanced around striker max dps

it would be so cool if hybrid builds could work

[grand crypt]

That's... thats highly ass backwards

[red island]

wym ?

[subtle bluff]

They can just not top tier.

[red island]

yeah but like on highest difficulty its mostly not working if its not top tier

[grand crypt]

The sacrifice. One or the other. Why do hybrids always get the short stick lol

[red island]

cause everything is balanced around max dps builds can do, or max tanking they can have, if you go hybrid you arent doing much

lets say if you have a build that can do 10m dps, you need a boss that can tank that dps, if you have a hybrd build that does 3M dps, then you're facing the same boss that will tank you forever since you dont have the dps

[cerulean smelt]

huh, ok maybe i was wrong XD

[red island]

if you balance the boss around the 3M dps, then the build with 10m will have no challenge

[cerulean smelt]

so you can get away with 4 weapon or armor cores

[red island]

i wish there was more red/blue cores in brands

its skill tier only

thats kinda sad for diversity

[cerulean smelt]

i know right? like equip 2/3 of this brand and get a free weapon damage or armor in it

[red island]

we have armor/damage talent, but its not cores

so like if we use the shield, it doesnt count to boost it

only skill tier count there

[subtle bluff]

6 Skill Teir / 3 Weapon Teir

[cerulean smelt]

NUUU, don't make me do it! XD i've been tempted to make a refactor build based on reflector shield

[red island]

hahaha

that would be funny af tho

[subtle bluff]

They don't just not a fun build to grind.

[red island]

as yoda kermit said : do it

[cerulean smelt]

well, depending on your weapon, you can go 3 skill tier max or 2 if using the perfect talent and stil hit skill tier 6 + OC i believe?

[red island]

yeah

idk about oc tho

but like getting skill tier is so free already

getting red/blue cores not so muych

[cerulean smelt]

saw a video where they said it'll proc once you hit skill tier 6

[red island]

time to test it

[cerulean smelt]

the talent only cares that when you get a kill and you're at st 6 it'll just overcharge it. my mind was thinking i had to hit that OC kill with the last kill of the talent IE perfect so 4th kill gives me OC

[subtle bluff]

Yes with the Talent but OC for Turrets and Drone isn't worth it

[waxen sage]

society would be so much better if you could equip exotics to every slot 🥀

[red island]

btw, do skill update with skill tier changing even if they already out ?

[subtle bluff]

You'd have to redeploy them after OC to make be OC.

[red island]

in div 1 skills were a snapshot of your skill stat when launched

[waxen sage]

ya your skill tier going up should effect already deployed skills

[red island]

but idk in div 2

[subtle bluff]

no

[cerulean smelt]

really? i kind of figured as it goes up it'd just apply it then after the OC timer goes away it'd drop back down to whatever skill tier you're at

[waxen sage]

oh i googled it cuz i wondered the same thing and reddit told me yes, oops 💔

[red island]

never trust reddit

[waxen sage]

i just been wasting all my overclocks then...

[red island]

rule 1 of internet

[subtle bluff]

If it's a deployable it won't be OC when you OC.
Things like Chems that already launched will OC when you OC

[cerulean smelt]

only redploys i can think of are chems

[red island]

now i wanna make a refractor build with that reflector shield

[waxen sage]

lets GO i have not been wasting my OCs i love the chem launcher

[cerulean smelt]

i'm sorry

[red island]

its ok dw

[cerulean smelt]

although i'd be tempted to do a 1 skill tier and main that Kard with 1 skill tier on it with the reflector shield XD

[red island]

i dont even need 6 skill tier as a base cause shield also scale off armor cores

[subtle bluff]

Just use BTSU

[red island]

but we def need pointman for legendary content

to survive

[subtle bluff]

Not really

[cerulean smelt]

oh wait, not possible with refactor is it XD

[red island]

i need to theorycraft something

[red island]

i mean any chunga would just melt us otherwise

[subtle bluff]

Whenever someone tries to use a Tank with me on Leggo I pull the aggro all the time

[red island]

yeah but refractor isnt a tank

[subtle bluff]

Unless they know how to melee bait.

[red island]

thats the point

[waxen sage]

i think im safe to shoot because theres a tank in front of me and then 15 grenades rain down upon my head

[onyx sage]

yoo?

this guy gets it

[subtle bluff]

If I'm follow you trying to do Refactor Shield?

[red island]

ye

i wanna the meme build

[subtle bluff]

You need them to shoot you

But if you can't get them shoot you what's the point?

[onyx sage]

refactor doesn't work with deflector sadly

[red island]

just stand in front of dps duh

[red island]

wow

way to break my heart and hopes man

[subtle bluff]

I've tried this a lot in incursion when we're done killing Wright It's not that simple.

[red island]

yeah if it doesnt work with refractor shield it doesnt matter anyway

[cerulean smelt]

best i'd come up with if it would work XD

[red island]

doesnt work with shield apparently

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i caught up on that part of it, why i put if it would work

must've changed the shield from skill damage to just normal damage or something? @onyx sage

[red island]

idk but im sad

massive plz fix

[cerulean smelt]

for me in general i don't think the reflector shield works well enough anyways as most npcs hits our heads more than anything else

[hexed steppe]

memento probably boost it up nice

[onyx sage]

no it does skill damage like normal, the two just don't work and we don't know why

[cerulean smelt]

ohhh, so basically the "skill damage" from the shield don't proc the refactor healing from skill damage?

[onyx sage]

ye

[hexed steppe]

all them Skill Buckets™️

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say they probably didn't code skill damage with the reflector shield in mind then XD

[hexed steppe]

i bet it would work if they reverted the no shield proccing insync

basically coded it to not be a skill

[cerulean smelt]

think since they changed that part of the shield code it doesn't consider it as skill damage

[fair dragon]

I mean, it's self explanatory. Reflected damage implies the damage source is not from the shield

Therefore it cannot be skill damage

[red island]

but we have damage modifiers for it

[wheat current]

why is striker bighorn so damn good lol

in pvp my hazpro build with almost 2mil armor dies instantly too them xD!!

[cerulean smelt]

i don't see how striker/crusader or even bulwark would do skill damage unless bashing with shield does it?

[fair dragon]

Doesn't that count as melee damage

[red island]

i dont think so, melee with shield count as skill damage iirc

[fair dragon]

Shield bashing with sweet dreams procs its talent

[red island]

yeah but its weirdly coded

shield is a weird skill

[cerulean smelt]

like Lyfe said there's a mod for Skill damge for shield. so that's the only reason i brought up the bashing and skill damage aspect as i don't see how crusader/striker would have skill damage from just using it, bulwark definitely not

[red island]

its counted as skill but also doesnt share skill damage like other skills

[cerulean smelt]

i know crusader and striker used to proc insync but they took it away so i don't see how else any skill damage would work with the shield in general aside the reflected damage

so maybe since they tried to take out the crusader/striker from proccing insync the coding for it in general is all broken and the reflector is just trash now :/

[hexed steppe]

arent nego crit transfers considered skill damage?

[onyx sage]

it only procs when you pull shield out

[violet juniper]

I'm not surprised, that's OP as hell lmao

Instant 30-40% damage boost?

[strong cave]

Reflector has always been ass. It's fun on your tech tank HHF build tho

Or foundry

Still, we have a word for those types of builds: niche

[shy willow]

I can attest to the reflector being fun but it's a huge bummer it doesn't work with refactor

[frigid bronze]

What build do you recommend for Scorpio legendary

[strong veldt]

I have a deflector shield build for legendary, the Liberty pistol is alot more useful than TDI Kard custom

[strong veldt]

My advice is don't create a build around a weapon

[strong veldt]

But scorpio is usually used on healer builds or skill builds to get crowd control (CC) and dmg buff

[urban latch]

hunters fury

[strong veldt]

Yeah that's a good one!

[strong veldt]

Not as far as i know, they're considered weapon dmg

[patent fossil]

When it comes to the end of main mission stats they seem to appear in the skill damage bucket (but they're not improved by skill damage buffs or have other interactions)

[strong veldt]

Like if you do health dmg, nego transfers health dmg, same for crits and headshot

[strong veldt]

That's prolly just a glitch, like minus dmg when you past a million...or is it a billion?

[vestal ibex]

Minus damage happens because of 32 bit bit integers limit and how the game treats it.

It's just that negos transfered damage shows up ask skill damage in the after action as it's probably defined as such but not affected by skill damage increases.

[strong veldt]

Yes. I was just saying it's probably a glitch using the minus as an example

[strong veldt]

Then why is there a drop in dmg from full red nego and full blue nego and no up dmg with skill tier or skill dmg

[pallid pond]

for some reason it is a 32 bit signed integer, which holds values from -2.1 billion to +2.1 billion. why the devs ever had it as a signed integer is beyond me

unsigned would allow for 0 to 4.2 billion

[onyx sage]

that would still not be enough

[vestal ibex]

The reason is probably because we were never meant to hit these damage numbers but they just went for level 40 and power creep on top of longer harder missions that have damage needed into these crazy high values. Was completely fine when 300k damage per bullet was considered good.

[onyx sage]

that's how bad it is

[vestal ibex]

Just let your team do some damage bro.

[patent fossil]

The transferred damage is dependent on the damage you actually do to the primary target, the only buff that gives it a further boost (other than the bag talent) is damage to armour.

Afaik anyway

[vestal ibex]

Also on the targets total armor and health as you can only transfer what they have, this can be bypassed via weakpoints and armor plates/helmets as they transfer the entire amount of damage hit to them.

[onyx sage]

what if the reason dta applies twice has to do with how it's coded as skill damage...

the plot THICKENS.

@vestal ibex you saw some of the damage screenshots we posted yesterday?

[patent fossil]

Sadly doesn't track as skill kills though for projects

[vestal ibex]

wat?

[onyx sage]

crossbow damage to armor plates counts as skill damage

what's more is this can be used to figure out chungas' total health and armor plate value

we're still investigating

[strong veldt]

Yeah agreed, that's why i said it depends on health dmg or crits or headshots then it also depends on where you shoot the ad, is it a weakpoint or armor of just straight health dmg etc

@vestal ibex so dta gives kind of a buff to nego dmg transfer? Is it just dta and how does it work

[vestal ibex]

It's kinda strange how it all works, basically if you hit a target that has armor with DTA it'll calculate it against all targets. Works with RAV stacks too. So if you are shooting 3 targets with armor your DTA will apply 3 times, if you rav stack 3 enemies you'll get the 600% bonus three times.

[strong veldt]

See again, it's strange. It should be based off weapon dmg.

[vestal ibex]

It is based off weapon damage, just reported as skill in the after action.

[onyx sage]

the explosion damage towards the armor plates don't actually use your weapon damage

it's just a flat value

[strong veldt]

Even if other ads do not have armor?

[onyx sage]

no, you need armor on them

[urban latch]

the crossbow is scaled off your explosive damage

[strong veldt]

Oh yeah that's right, it is. Same for grenade launcher

[vestal ibex]

Is this one of those dumb things where weapon damage increases the initial hit and explosion increases the boomy from it?

Then is the bleed based off weapon damage in this case?

[urban latch]

yes, the actual impact of the bolt (which does similar damage to the riot foam) is scaled by weapon damage, and the explosion is explosive damage

[onyx sage]

striker from what i can see affects both

raucey i think you'll be interested in what we just stumbled upon too

[urban latch]

oh really? thats interesting

[onyx sage]

we may have found a way to find the exact values for chunga and dog armor plates

[urban latch]

that would be sweet

[onyx sage]

this all happened because we discovered crossbow explosion counts as skill damage in end screen 💀

[urban latch]

change your builds explosive damage and se if it changes

[onyx sage]

current things we found so far is that the armor plate values across warhound types are the same

armor plate values on chunga head and chest are the same

now we just need to isolate what the exact value is

[subtle bluff]

I’ll try that out

[onyx sage]

yeah me, chow and a few more are testing all this

[urban latch]

we knew thatr from oxy, its a trick for one of the spec unlock tasks

[onyx sage]

yeah just confirming what we saw from our own methods as a sanity check

so at least we aren't seeing things

[urban latch]

im curious if it matches the typical difficulty/player size scales

[onyx sage]

yeah my theory is it matches 1.2^(n-1) (group size scaling)

like as we have currently

testing that later tonight

[fresh fox]

does it headshot

this is very important

[red island]

yes

but gl doing a headshot with a projectile that slow

[fresh fox]

crossbow headhunter!!!!

[cerulean smelt]

wouldn't that be similar to using that winter tommy gun?

[hexed steppe]

i was poking fun at another statement with the nego comment. nobody seriously thinks transfer is skill damage, its just handled bad on end of mission report. also why i added the .

[rich lotus]

Hi 👋 I’ve been playing for a couple of weeks im still unsure on builds does this look any good?

[cerulean smelt]

decent, i'd swap the fenris knees for fox's prayer if you got a pair

that or drop the chest for like a ceska obliterate maybe?

[kindred mango]

Pretty good for shd 64 👍

Def get a Ceska chest

[hazy steeple]

@rich lotus As the others have said, it's a very solid base, but the ceska chest will be a straight upgrade here.
the reason why is basically "maths", but to tl;dr it out; Fenris as a brand isn't as good as it looks, the buff it gives you isn't as good.

[austere falcon]

^ and when you get the ceska chest you should replace the fenrir knees with striker knees afaik

[waxen sage]

indeed

[cerulean smelt]

i would go further and say get a striker mask, replace the backpack with grupo with vigilence but that's just me

[hazy steeple]

Coyotes is easier to work with overall, especially when you are SHD 64.

[waxen sage]

you think striker mask is better than coyotes? idk you can really feel that extra crit chance and damage

[hazy steeple]

You can 100% drop out Coyotes if more than 2 other people in your team have it, but for general play: Coyotes is just a damn good piece.

The ceska piece is the important part here.

[cerulean smelt]

i'm just more of the "rather have everything when i shoot, instead of needing to do something to get something" kind of guy

[karmic osprey]

i know theres room for improvment but this is what i have from switching off of hunters to striker

[hazy steeple]

Same advice for you as for them.

[waxen sage]

the diabolical striker chestpiece baits another player

[karmic osprey]

im working on getting the gloves to use a different chest

[hazy steeple]

Striker Chest is actually good for certain builds, buuuut that's only for stuff like the Incursion/Heroic CD, etc.

[rich lotus]

Thank you for the advice everyone 🫡 I will go hunt a ceska chest

[karmic osprey]

i do plan on doing incursion for the first time soon just wanna get everything ready for it

[austere falcon]

the thing with striker chest is that its hard to get and maintain 200 stacks in most scenarios

[hazy steeple]

Aye, that's why it's only used when enemies have stupidly high health pools.

And I mean, really high. Not "hard to kill", but more like "early div1" kinda high.

[cerulean smelt]

like legendary runs or maybe incursion?

[karmic osprey]

i tried legendary on the summit with 2 other friends and the explosive drone spam was crazy

[hazy steeple]

And notably: Heroic CD, if you are kill stealing like crazy.

[austere falcon]

I also come with a question
the Sniper Setups page on the Gear Spreadsheet left me with a question
I wanna get a build for the Nemesis ||(and maybe another one for a scopeless MMR as well)||
so would i want to go for 3p or 4p Hotshot for a Nemesis build

[cerulean smelt]

i solo mostly so i have no clue how most things goes. so i make builds that's fun for me to play

me personally say if you're thinking 3p of any gearsets would be better to just replace those with high ends in general

[hazy steeple]

Just copy+paste from the spreadsheet/iKia's list (youtube description link), those are the good sources. The math's all been worked out for ya.
@austere falcon Sure, Hotshot is fantastic. And a notable exception to the Gearset rule of "4 or none".

[cerulean smelt]

i just feel we can get more out of 3 highends stats wise over having 3 of any gearsets, i know hotshot is all MMR and HSD but i feel with 3 other brand sets we can get that or both and more

[hazy steeple]

The reason 3pc Hotshot works so well, is that its 4th is kinda just whatever, the 3pc bonus lets you do the very fun thing of maxing out Stability.
on an MMR, 100% Stability (you can see via the stats menu), means your MMR shots always hit dead centre of where your reticule is, meaning that yes, you can blind-fire a sniper rifle.

[cerulean smelt]

guess it's a skill issue with me, i can't blind fire a sniper unless they're in my face XD

[hazy steeple]

Dead-centre of the reticule, although I believe the build requires at least 1 stability mod on your gun.

[cerulean smelt]

i miss the PTS hotshot though. was fun building up stacks then running around with max damage with any weapon you desired XD

[woeful zodiac]

Which is the best Virginian and Sniper Build (combined)?

I want to hit hard yet remain tanky

[austere falcon]

would running a Walker & Harris Backpack w/ Vigilance make sense over a Gift or Airaldi BP?

(in a Hotshot sniper setup (with Chainkiller obv))

[versed summit]

Nah

[wild lily]

I use a Habsburg bag with headshot damage and Vigilance in my setup

Took forever to get one that dropped with HSD and Vigilance so I could reroll the core to red

[versed summit]

Unless you’re using a habs chest it’s useless

[wild lily]

I do yeah

[woeful zodiac]

What about,
3 pc Hotshot
Ninjabike Backpack
Chainkiller
Douglas and harding holster

                  OR

4 pc Hotshot
Exodus Gloves
Chainkiller

[solar sable]

seriously, no nbb

[red island]

except when its to farm expertise

[woeful zodiac]

I was thinking of doing something with the everyday carrier, Exodus Gloves, Axel backpack

[prime elbow]

is nbb that bad?

[red island]

ye basically

[hazy steeple]

It's a total newb trap.
Backpack Talents are some of the best in the game, and NBB takes it away and doesn't provide anything to replace it.
It's basically a worse Memento.

[onyx sage]

momento mentioned

[red island]

rouge moment

[hazy steeple]

Yes that was the....nvm you people.

[rich lotus]

Is this better

[red island]

the talent is bad on your chest, also you need 2 crit stat on it

[rich lotus]

Ok thank you

[rain fox]

You can use the striker chest if you have one then add some grupo sombra gloves with crit chance and damage that's what I'm using

[fickle ridge]

Do you all have any recs for Eb and Rav builds?

[red island]

i think there is one in the spreadsheet

[fickle ridge]

this is going to sound like a dumb question 😔 but where is the spread sheet?

[red island]

pinned message

[hazy steeple]

📌 pinned-message of this channel > spreadsheet 2 > builds.

You have to scroll the pinned message now.

[fickle ridge]

Thank you :)

[gentle lichen]

has anyone experimented with any pistol + breadbasket and dodgecity holster?

if you have chem and hold it itll start stacking dodgecity without losing your breadbasket stack

[red island]

im pretty sure hh build with dodgeholster is better

[gentle lichen]

if anyone can explain this i really dont know what's happening

i know i might have 2 stacked the dodge city but it shouldn't have that big of a damage discrepancy.
or 125 damage lmfao

[gentle lichen]

i know but this is utilised in pvp

[red island]

well that is some damage xd

its def bugged

even a 0buff shot should do more than that

[gentle lichen]

yeah but in pvp it actually does full headshot dmg consistently and the 3 breadbasket stacks are taken into account

and it does that all in a bodyshot which is insane to me

[prime elbow]

Is this good? dont have a full dtooc yet

[red island]

if you dont have dttooc its not great, you should extract stats tbh for your librairy

so that you can optimize your next gun

[urban latch]

Idk what that 125 damage was, but the higher numbers make sense. Dch makes your hsd% apply, and pistols have a high base Hsd%. So just applying headshot damage on a body shot will increase the damage this much, even without dch stacks

[gentle lichen]

but i'd be inclined to say that when it does work as intended the 3.2m got to have accounted in the extra 165% hsd from breadbasket

but the inconsistencies are far greater in pve for some reason

[magic pilot]

Breadbasket is normal WD

[smoky spoke]

If I use a pulse and hit an enemy with burn thanks to Microwave Coils, and they die, does it count as a "skill kill" for Momentum Surge?
What about if I kill someone with a fire sticky, then their fire spreads from Eclipse Protocol? Would those spreaded fires count as skill kills?

[honest moss]

The first enemy/actual burn from sticky: yes, eclipse is a no go iirc. No idea about the coils.

[honest moss]

125 damage looks like its a chem launcher body hit maybe?

[urban latch]

Without any dch, what are you hitting for a headshot?

[gentle lichen]

you mean without stacks or without the piece?

cause without stacks only it would be around the 687k mark

12 expertise btw

[versed summit]

It’s not even about just the backpack talent, it also has to compete with other exotics

[lavish flare]

For Pvp pestilence builds do people usually run more weapon damage cores than armour cores or is it still the good ol atleast 4 armour cores?

[lavish flare]

So real, theres no way in a pve setting ninjabike wins over memento

[hexed steppe]

dont lump my sweet Memento in with that exo component

[hazy steeple]

Very much not intentional, sorry 'deck

[hexed steppe]

ig i was 4 hrs late

forgiven this time

[charred eagle]

I’m using a backfire build and was curious. Does hazard protection and bleed resistant stack with each other? Cause I have 39.9% hazard protection, and 49.6% bleed resistance. Haven’t optimized all the way yet.

[open robin]

Sharpshooter specialization, 3 piece umbra with the chest for more Crit stacks, burza breather mask for rifle dmg , breakpoint knee pads for rifle dmg or fox prayer knee pads (breakpoint does more dmg just lose out on a minor red core) and a ninja bike backpack to make it work, 3 blues in total then the rest is 4 red and all Crit hit dmg and Crit chance on gear. Weapons would be the UIC15-MOD2 and the LVOA-C rifles with strained. this build is meant for the manhunts in the dark zone teams fights, pop a decoy hide behind the you’re team and kill, I hit 410k dmg with the MOD2 rifle with full umbra stacks and about 298k with the LVOA-C rifle which has a 380 base fire rate stacked with umbras fire rate bonus makes it impossible for anybody to rush you, my build isn’t even fully optimized yet on Crit dmg and chance but this build can walk PvE content like legendary easily and PvP. I hit 2 mill a shot in PvE. let me know how it is for you in my opinion it works best in dark zone

[lavish flare]

What are the haz protection milestones? I had heard 90% makes you immune to some stuff etc, hows it work?

[fresh fox]

the 125 is the base damage for the chem launcher iirc so i think you just managed to make your gun hit that amount

[lavish flare]

Literally seen this exact build in DZ the other day

Weapon and all

[fresh fox]

probably through lag or some other thing

[subtle bluff]

Hazard Protection is all the Resistance.

[subtle bluff]

How you explained the build still doesn't help knowing what it is. You didn't show or explain your end stats so idk what you've built in the end.

Do you have video of you walking thru Legendary?

This is what I get from the your stats without the weapon mods.

[charred eagle]

I get that. I’m tryin to see if it stacks tho or combines. I don’t care too much about the other ailments. Because now I have 49.9 hazard protection and 54.6 bleed resistance but I’m still bleeding

[subtle bluff]

Just giving the best stats you can on this build on both weapons have:

• CHC 54% / CHD 102%
  With a fully stacked Umbra
• CHC 54% / CHD 222%

With the LVOA-C Crit you should be doing 819,670ish right?

[subtle bluff]

Just get to 100 stacks and you won't bleed anymore.

If you read Backfire talent like this: Any new stacks will bleed.

[charred eagle]

Hmmm, I wasn’t bleeding on my strikers tho n I had over 94% hazard protection 🤔

I’ll figure it out tomorrow

[subtle bluff]

Screenshot your stats.

I use Backfire a lot in incursion runs with no Hazard or Bleed protection. Don't have issues.

[vestal ibex]

I did just fine on tanker with no AOK or kits. Might vary from group to group tho.

[open robin]

it’s an endgame build goes well with a maxed out watch, doesn’t matter though you can still run it without it. I’m doing 58 Crit chance and 257 on Crit dmg with the MOD2 I can get 282% Crit dmg with the tactical short grip from the firewall specialist perk but I lose out on 15% headshot dmg and if my Crit chance was maxed out on my gear and it isn’t fully optimized I would be doing more Crit dmg I can take off the one Crit chance mod on my gun and no I’m doing 943k a shot with my LVOA it has Crit chance for the attribute so I can stack Crit dmg mods it has 267% Crit dmg and 60 % hit chance and then orbit makes you’re crits hit for 322% crit dmg with full Crit chance

[subtle bluff]

can screenshot the build itself too?

[open robin]

I’m only expertise 5 I could be doing way more dmg

[subtle bluff]

Doing a lot of damage is easy. 21mill with a Healing Chem Launcher.

[open robin]

What do you wanna see on it?

[subtle bluff]

just the whole build. You said Sharpshooter and now firewall? I'm lost what you have on actually

[waxen sage]

you do more damage with 1 heailing ability than i do in a magazine 💀

[open robin]

Firewall give you a weapon mod for 15% Crit dmg sharp shooter gives 15% headshot dmg and more rifle accuracy it’s you’re preference

[subtle bluff]

I'm asking what do you have on with these numbers you are giving us.

[fair dragon]

Just show us the build

[wheat current]

he wants to see a screen shot of your build xD!! not explanation but looks legit

[wheat current]

i htink he a scammer! lol but looks like he has backfire as an exotic for over 250% crit dmg

[fair dragon]

He never once mentioned Backfire in both walls of texts

[wheat current]

though by the looks of it only 40% crit chance though idk if he has ceska piece or not but he could

[wheat current]

back fire is one of the only ones that increases your crit dmg by that much so idk lol

[subtle bluff]

I mean we can see he has the rifle in hand for these stats. He most likely has as umbra proc'ed up for this and more stats stuff that we don't see just like Finisher.

[wheat current]

ah okay understandable i havent used umbra but if he wants to stack more crit dmg he can probably use the backfire and have over 300 crit dmg at most

[subtle bluff]

I mean I easily do more without having to deal with umbra. Don't mind the voice in the background.

[wheat current]

is that the 1886? winchester?

though i think the backfire stacks will go away once you holster it right? so i guess you'll have to have a different weapon

[subtle bluff]

He said he was using Orbit so Prefect Finish is most likely stats there too.

[wheat current]

Mmm

[oak sierra]

how hard is this game?

[subtle bluff]

Not really.

It has it's up and downs.

I enjoy the setting and gunplay. There are a lot of different nuances to the game.

Some things are set but there's a lot of learning to do be really good at the game.

[peak moss]

Okay so I’m looking at making a heartbreaker build with some weapon damage attributes worked into it. Will it be viable enough to dish enough damage to handle heroic/legendary content?

[subtle bluff]

Heroic yes. Leggo is a mixed answer.

I main a HB build but how I play it isn't easy to pick up.

[hexed steppe]

funny how people clam up after getting called out about shifty information/claims

[subtle bluff]

I'll let a lot go but not that. Like reading it all hurt me, and I'm kind of ESL... Anyhoo.

PvE OD Rifle better than dumb stuff.

[peak moss]

I mean from what I’ve seen I pulse constantly on combat, the night watcher mask will help with that. And each time I hit an any enemy it gives me the stacks of weapon damage and bonus armour

But might be easier said than done

[bright raptor]

yes, there is even easier than that, use the technician specialization and its laser sight that pulses everything you aim at

no Nightwatcher required

[subtle bluff]

I don't like the Nightwater scanner pulse thing.

[peak moss]

True true, was thinking of the crowd control element so I can synergise with blue screen for group play. But the laser pointer sounds easier

[peak moss]

Never used it tbf, just an attribute though

[subtle bluff]

Bluescreen in leggo bad idea imo

[peak moss]

Yeah man

I’ll figure out what’s best

[boreal ingot]

Does Dodge city holster proc Regulus's talent?

[austere falcon]

any recommendations on how i would farm for max Gear Mods?

[boreal ingot]

Never farm them, just play normally and someday it pop XD, I got majority of my that way. Never once got max mod from countdown

Like most of mine are from heroic mission from Open World

[bright raptor]

no, but it does buff the damage to help secure the opening kill

[boreal ingot]

and it's not even target loot

[solar sable]

IIRC dodge city holster has a project from Inaya
I may be wrong

[boreal ingot]

No i meant when farming mod

[wheat current]

why people with the same build do more dmg still xD!! kinda getting me lowkey mad lol

[patent fossil]

Better aim, more headshots, more hits in general

[wheat current]

only diference thing is the golan pieces against my gila piece's lol

[wheat current]

we are hitting at the same amount of times honestly we sit there and hsoot each other in the head lol i am watching i aint stupid bro

[patent fossil]

Oh, some kind of pvp thing? I thought you meant in the after mission stats

[wheat current]

he just sits in the open with me shooting each other in the head and he will out dmg me and i wouldnt be able to get hi mdown to half his shield lol

and its sorta same build lol just difference is the golan over gila set lol

[azure plank]

Any build advice?

[wet portal]

Hi, I want to ask, if I want a tank build that can be used in a team, what do you recommend

this what i use right now

[patent fossil]

This one is kind of all over the place. Lots of stats that aren't really helping you, and Ruthless is not a strong weapon. I'd recommend checking the spreadsheet linked in the pinned messages, it has a number of good build guides.

[patent fossil]

Due to the threat mechanics in this game, tank builds aren't very useful in most circumstances. Enemies will simply ignore you and shoot whoever is doing the most damage.
If you want to play team support, check the status builds (eclipse protocol) in the pinned spreadsheet.

[fresh fox]

if you hit a true headshot it’ll buff the explosion damage

so you’ll have like a 20mil regulus explosion

[glad pilot]

bro gimme ur pvp build list website

Edit: found it

[glad pilot]

@hexed steppe Ive copied this build, but i end up with 60% haz (watch included)? Where r u getting the 10%?

[hexed steppe]

You're not thinking of me. I dont have pvp guides.
Likely thinking @magic pilot

[glad pilot]

Idk who exactly made the sheet, or the builds, i thought u was the one sending the links etc

But yea i remembrr prodigy

[hexed steppe]

I have a couple build guides. Mortar and hazpro eclipse but both are pve

[glad pilot]

Still, u might have an answer to the question

[half cosmos]

Is this a pvp build?

[glad pilot]

Ye

[hexed steppe]

I only see 60% haz as well. I dont remember how catharsis attributes roll

[glad pilot]

Not with haz

[half cosmos]

Thanks i guess i can use when i step out to the DZ for random stuff

[glad pilot]

Sure

[hexed steppe]

You would need resistance mods to be immune

[half cosmos]

I think its armor regen in 1 of em

[glad pilot]

It aint about immunity

Its more of a comfortable hazpro res for general use

But yea, till he tells me where he gettin 10% its on the back burner..

[half cosmos]

Incoming repair and regen

[urban latch]

10% from the watch, which as a heads up wouldn't apply in conflict if that's where your pvping

[glad pilot]

Im in white house

And have 60%

[urban latch]

What is your watch level?

[glad pilot]

5k

As i said, 60% with watch included

10watch, 50 gear, idk where the 10 comes from unless he misstyped

[urban latch]

Oh catharsis doesn't have haz pro, yeah it should just be 60%, the 70% is just a typo, blame @magic pilot

[glad pilot]

Ait bet

[glad pilot]

@magic pilot So why optimist in pvp, and not say measured, if the latter outperforms optimist usually? (Ar build)

[open robin]

@subtle bluff @hexed steppe @wheat current @fair dragon here’s for all the doubters. sorry for the pictures everyone. orbits stats can be stacked, they just don’t show up in stats btw. And mr chow

[fair dragon]

Not doubting. You wanted a second opinion but you posted 2 walls of texts which would be much easier for others to get a feel of what you're talking about if you had posted an image of the build(s)

[urban latch]

Is this for pvp?

[open robin]

See @fair dragon you weren’t doubting me you believed in me

And yes

[normal pawn]

Everytime i look here i just get more confused 😭😭

[open robin]

I hit 422k in pvp with full umbra

[normal pawn]

I literally run a headshot heartbreaker build made by the yellow jacket guy on yt

[open robin]

Darkzone*

Ohh yea that guy, he makes good builds.

[normal pawn]

Yaaaa

[urban latch]

I mean umbra/NBB has its place in pvp, thats fine. Your high end choices arent exactly optimal but w/e

your getting basically nothing out of NBB

[normal pawn]

I just like anything that allow me to face tank and do dmg 🌚

[open robin]

Make a darkzone memento build then if you wanna kill and be tanky

[open robin]

Dumb it down for me.

[urban latch]

The whole point of NBB is to get those extra brandset bonuses. Your getting rifle damage and accuracy, two fairly useless perks

[bright raptor]

while losing the backpack talent slot

[glad pilot]

pic plz

[urban latch]

the pvp modifer for ARs is 40%, so his 1m crit headshots at the range would hit for 400k in pvp

[open robin]

Some of the best PvP builds use memento and NBB

[glad pilot]

what is nbb

[fair dragon]

NinjaBike messenger backpack

[glad pilot]

ah

[fair dragon]

Most people gloss over the "Messenger" part

[glad pilot]

@urban latch is there a typical umbra build for pvp?

[urban latch]

I get that. Imo umbra is best at bursting in ambushes, popping out of cover and downing them basically before they can react. In that instance imo vigi > NBB would get you much more than your current setup. And because of how little your gaining from NBB with your current setup, you would be giving up very little

[open robin]

And that’s my second weapon the LVOA it has 550 fire rate with full umbra that’s without headshots, my main does the 1.9 dps per head shot

The MOD2

[fair dragon]

How does the Orbit work? You mentioned something about stacking?

[open robin]

You can always use breaking point knee pads instead of fox prayers but you lose out on around 10k dmg to players but more to player skill dmg with breakpoint

[urban latch]

Youd basically swap walker harris, picaros, and capacitor into his build

[glad pilot]

interesting

[glad pilot]

which talents>?

[urban latch]

wait its not lexington..... 🤦‍♂️ Ok the LOVA is not at all what you want in pvp...

[urban latch]

Youd have NBB and umbra chest. Capacitor exotic talent takes advantage of the skill tiers from NBB and picaros

[glad pilot]

omoshiroi

[glad pilot]

is it normal to run 2-3 armor cores on umbra?

[blissful orbit]

how bad is running gc/vigi on 6 red core hf oro build in terms of survability?

[urban latch]

For pvp you generally run armor cores. The number is ultimately preference. 2-3 is generally considered a bit low/aggressive

[glad pilot]

bet

[glad pilot]

are there other builds that utilize capacitor with nbb, and picaros? That isnt umbra?

[urban latch]

Thats kind of the main one, but capacitor in general is just a really good pvp weapon now that it can have DTA and DTOOC on it, even if your running no skill tiers

[glad pilot]

im sure at that point there are better ARs

[urban latch]

I think it might be the top burst DPS AR on armor. In PVP where thats basically all the matters and you should be able to kill in its 40 mag size, its really good. In PVE not as much

[open robin]

@fair dragon the build is meant for darkzone support on manhunts so if you get a kill with orbit on a NPC it gives you 40% crit dmg and 35% crit chance for 15s in the PvP fight. Let’s say you’re going Rogue in a landmark you’d wanna hide behind cover, build your stacks kill an npc with orbit.

[glad pilot]

yea but i dont like the umbra ratting playstyle, is there anything else?

[open robin]

Memento

[glad pilot]

no memento

[urban latch]

For pvp? Check out the pvp guide in the linked spreadsheet. Theres a fair amount of setups in there

[open robin]

Bruh

[glad pilot]

i did

[open robin]

Yes it has very bad stability and accuracy but it’s meant for rushers it’s meant for fast dps , Have you tested the LVOA with umbra?

Have Crit chance attribute with full Crit dmg mods and you’ll be fine with dps against rushers

[bright raptor]

can we discuss the weapon choices in one breath instead of bouncing all over the place?

[urban latch]

I just realized your 1m headshots is with a rifle rofl.... You REALLY dont want to be using rifles in pvp. Those 1m crit headshots will be 260k crit headshots at half the rpm of an AR, you'll get stomped by any solid playuer

[bright raptor]

like what rushers? Bots? Players charging you?

[glad pilot]

i assume the latter

[vestal ibex]

This is a beautiful gif and I feel like it's gonna be lost on so many.

[glad pilot]

anyway, optimist or measured for pvp (famas, c7) (and why)

[urban latch]

It's ultimately build dependant because they have different multipliers. I think measured is generally better now though, but I haven't calc'ed it myself since the changes

[glad pilot]

god i hate when i see 'build dependant' (no offense)

like, AR pvp setup

[urban latch]

It's the only accurate answer I can give lol, just saying "ar pvp setup" isn't enough information to tell you because it depends on how much weapon damage, total weapon damage, and rpm buffs

[open robin]

First pic is my MOD2 dmg then the rest is the LVOA

[urban latch]

Also assumptions like do you want to assume an entire mag, because optimist builds up throughout, and measured acts differently halfway through a mag.

[open robin]

Yes the LVOA sucks with dps consistency at range

[gentle lichen]

Honestly if you want an AR look no further than cap and if you need nemi you can either hotswap or use lex

Also rifle pvp modifier is horrible your only viable choice is rav and only because of the red stacks

[urban latch]

You don't seem to realize how unimpressed these numbers are at that rpm....

Do me a favor and see what you hit using an AR on a build designed to use rifles

[gentle lichen]

Double also an umbra cap build can literally have 5-6 skill tiers and have great armor AND stupid damage

[open robin]

It’s a rifle I’m not running into teams I’m staying in the back supporting my team? And it in conflict it’s a darkzone build

[gentle lichen]

Having something like a sticky with 30+ cap stacks can make you hit for 1m+

[urban latch]

ARs do 40% of their pve damage in pvp. Rifles for 26%....

[open robin]

Yea I just showed you I hit 1.7m dmg on one dude with 9 bullets with a darkzone build in conflict no watch stats with the LVOA quote on quote terrible rifle from you @urban latch let not even mention the 450k dmg with the MOD2

[sullen night]

Hello guys, is there any PvE build that gets online fairly quickly without farming too much upon reaching the endgame stages of the game? Just for farming generic Heroic stuff and get more gear for more advanced builds later on

[urban latch]

another way to say that is you were hitting 188k average shots (at a lucky crit percentage) at 532 rpm. Stop thinking about damage per shot, think about it as a rate of damage, at the most basic level what matters is damage x how fast you shoot

pick any AR and go to the range, Ill show you how to calculate the numbers to fairly compare them

use any AR on that build thats setup for rifles, and I promise you it will do a higher dps than the rifles in pvp even on that rifle build

[urban latch]

Striker is one of the strongest and easiest builds to put together, its a good place to start

theres a build for it (along with many others) in the pinned google doc in this channel

[sullen night]

Gotcha, thanks alot

[rocky rain]

What’s the best LMG as a backup for the Lexington in a Pulse laser pointer setup?

[hexed steppe]

What build

[normal pawn]

Shield heartbreaker BAAHA

Tanky and has dmg

[rocky rain]

Ninja based

[sullen night]

Sorry what's BAAHA?

[hexed steppe]

Only pulse laser build I run is HB, and I run flatline lex and darkwinter instead of lmg. high end crit would benefit as well

[scenic karma]

whats the meta for skill builds now? (took a break when empress came out)

[rocky rain]

I use Ninja, 1x Belstone, 1x HB, Closer, 1x Petrov, 1x Neg Dilemma

Like to build non-standard builds.

[red island]

dont use ninja

[vestal ibex]

Well regardless of if it's a good build or not you were wondering about what LMG to run yeah? I'd just run whatever you find fun at this point but maybe a NEGEV or RPK if you do care about stats.

[rocky rain]

Great, thanks!

[magic pilot]

Measured is good but only if you use the whole mag, also I don't like the handling

[magic pilot]

I'll make a note to change it on Monday, I'm out of town

[rain fox]

I would recommend refactor good survival and not bad damage just roll skill damage and skill hast or repair skill

[honest moss]

Im quite late but the "dare" (named gr9) has perfect flatline, not a too bad gun overall. Worth keeping an eye out.

[vestal ibex]

Just no long rail on it so you'd have to pulse via other means.

[onyx sage]

i dare you to put the linked laser on it.

[rain fox]

The dare is bad you can't put the link laser on it or was I just bugged

I'm hitting for about 1 mil to 1.3 mill crits at the lowest with king breaker all read core hb it's the hardest hitter for that build I've tried many guns

[honest moss]

Works as a backup and has the talent to pulse on its own every 3 kills. Never said it was a must have. HB makes it work better ofcourse

[rain fox]

If you run over dive I've had 3.5 mil crits and I get full stacks in like 1 mag

Oh ye I forgot that it can pulse it's self I just don't like waiting 3 kils

[vestal ibex]

Rip chest talent for 75% of of enemies I guess.

[honest moss]

Can just pulse and swap too. Again it is a backup. Or even bluescreen. It pulses on its own.

[rain fox]

If anyone wants to hit as hard as striker if not harder try heartbreak ere with all red cores it's deadly you won't use striker again pair with king breaker, acs 12 and busy little bee

Blues reen is the best was the first gun I used with hb

[vestal ibex]

HB does less than strikers...

[honest moss]

Recently made a red HB, very fun but need to test it more. OD is also really fun too.

[rain fox]

If its a tanky boss yes but on heroic countdown it feels better than striker to me but try for yourself maybe I'm just imagining it lol

[honest moss]

Hunters fury is great for countdown too

[rain fox]

Hunters fury is what I've been working on since yesterday but what gun can I pair it with or guns

[honest moss]

Works great with smgs. I use oro with mine but really any decent smg works

[vestal ibex]

Just remember higher damage doesn't mean more damage if you forget about strikers 15% ROF increase.

Recent changes did bring them closer tho.

[rain fox]

I understand what your saying rate of fire is king

[vestal ibex]

Well ROF is just a pure damage adder and it helps with keeping stacks up.

[rain fox]

I might have to test full but it's close and don't forget with hb you can facetank alot of enimies has better survival

[onyx sage]

in high level play you don't need that because enemies shred you regardless

[rain fox]

Yes I'm going to take both to the hardest content I can do and see which one has a chance

[vestal ibex]

I'd say HB is pretty good with memento and 1-2 blues and I think new players finding better gear and rolling to red gives them the chance to have armor and dial it down as they get used to the game.

[rain fox]

100% it's a end game build hard to make all red when new I started with blue and still have it in my load out very good

Just got to the point where I'm looking to try new builds

Anyone got any screenshot I can copy from looking for good survival with decent damage to

[rocky rain]

Can we boost at Kenny again?

[kindred mango]

Anything with Memento assuming you’re playing solo. Strikers, HF, HB etc

[rain fox]

OK I have moment but doesn't look to good is it actually good

I got yesterday but didn't know if it was worth replacing backpack tallents

[subtle bluff]

It’s all a game playstyle preference. Striker in the end will be able to output more DPS but HB has a buffer of not worrying and keep on doing dmg.
I main both.

[rain fox]

Ye same I play both striker is the one I've used the most still the best all around build for me

[low oyster]

Any advice on getting the EMP jammers disabled on Countdown? SHD level 50

[onyx sage]

iirc you have to get in range to hack them, once they are hacked to 100% you can shoot them

[low oyster]

I am having to hack them on a terminal which requires me to stay near the terminal but 3 EMP pulses and I'm dead

[onyx sage]

you have to hide in cover

just imagine the emp shooting at you at intervals

do the obvious thing when something is shooting you

[kindred mango]

Yup have to hide to avoid the zap

[hexed steppe]

That sounds pretty cursed, ngl

[hexed steppe]

This is for manhunt, right? You need to break line of sight and you wont take damage from the pulses

The problem isnt really the pulse, it's all the NPCs that flank you when in cover

[wheat current]

anyone know what build it is that 1 taps people in conflict? like a rifle build ?

[hazy steeple]

There's a big list of builds for PvP 📌 pinned over in #td2-build-advice > 📌 > spreadsheet 2 > builds > PvP.

[wheat current]

or something

[wheat current]

stop pinging that thing it isnt even updated for pvp lol and the builds kinda blow i've tried it all already

i last 2 seconds in a combat fight with it lol

and i am currently using some of the builds and i cant even get a single kill with them xD!!

[hazy steeple]

There's 9 builds in there.

@magic pilot Is the creator/curator, they can give you a hand with any updated information.

[red island]

It's updated tho

I use them it's not hard to kill someone in dz with it

[wheat current]

for conflict nah and when i ask a simple question they are like go here bruh i've used all those builds in conflict none of them work ill have 1 good game rest i cant get a single kill

[wheat current]

maybe for dz but not for conflict but when i go to dz no one there and if there is we just help each other out and nothing really happens at all

[red island]

It's a you pb then, I got kills in conflict with no pb

[subtle bluff]

PvP is div2 is play skill more than build but different builds can be a counter and be counter by different builds and playstyles.

So you need to figure out if you're really having that many issues with it all.

[red island]

Also pvp is différent than pve, you need to know what youre doing

[wheat current]

bro seriously i can shoot a guy in the head for 30 minutes he'd just stand there mock me then kill me with the bighorn build and they'd have the same build xD!!

[red island]

Then you arent using the right bui'd cause a normal dps build will kill anyone if you do that

[wheat current]

or just a barely different build and i have put headshot damage on every slot i can and have hazpro and like 60k regen lol

[red island]

If you dont like thoses build, copy one from the enemy killing you ?

[subtle bluff]

I just 3 or 4 shot them and then group regroup. But this doesn't always work.

[red island]

It's easy to see anyones build in conflict

Just copy it

[wheat current]

like i've said feels like they can tank my shots and i cant tank there's and i've tried copying there builds and i still die instantly lol

[red island]

Then it's a you pb, not a build pb

[wheat current]

like i last 1 or 2 seconds with any of the builds and i am mostly in cover lol

[subtle bluff]

I'll just one last time. Sounds like a skill issue.

[red island]

Then you arent playing it right

[wheat current]

not much of a skill issue at all when all my shots land bro and it barely does anything how is that a skill issue?

[red island]

Then how do you die ans not them with the same build ?

Sounds like they were better

[wheat current]

idk all my shots hit and he just looks my way and i instantly die lol

even with that 1 shot build i barely go around a corner then boom dead lol

[red island]

Same build and he oneshot you but you sont oneshot him ? Sounds like you didnt copy it right

Or you miss

[wheat current]

and i ask about it here look at the spread sheet and i am like that build isnt even in there bro xD!!!

[red island]

Bighorn build is on there

Like for real man, if you have the same build, it's not a build issue, it's you, plain and simple

[wheat current]

like a real man xD!! child please like i said i copied the build and someone with the same build can tank all my 40 rounds without dropping below 50% armor and then puts me down in the same amount of time and same amount of bullets is kinda dumb and isnt a skill issue i can assure you that

[red island]

I am no child, you have skill issues there is nothing else to say here you face the same build and you lost

Now chill and learn to pvp

[wheat current]

Mmmhhmmm you said like a real man you wanna be disrespectful you gotta learn to take same action back

[red island]

I didnt say that

Since you dont win pvp you wanna take it out on others in here it seem

I aint time for you, bye

I block people that are insulting on sight

[wheat current]

i am not taking out at anyone i am just saying the builds in that thing doesnt work lol and you keep pointing it out and not answering my question which is so simple to do

[fair dragon]

Wee woo wee woo

[magic pilot]

I gotta agree with lyfe here and they are always wrong

If you are using the same build as someone and you can't kill them but they destroy you, sounds like a skill issue

[red island]

Except when im always right

[magic pilot]

Tbf most of the builds are not for conflict as well but there is a few

[wheat current]

how is shooting someone in the head and they take all the dmg and you get shot with the same build its a skill issue lol

they allowed me to shoot them in the head xD!!

[magic pilot]

You have the exact same ability in the build as them

[wheat current]

kinda funny you guys think that is a skill issue lol

yes skill issue for doing less dmg with same amount of bullets connecting but not doing all the dmg and they do the same thing and miss most of there shots your fault you suck lol

[magic pilot]

If 2 players have the exact same build and one person dies over and over what do you call that

[red island]

Appartently it's the build at fault xd

[wheat current]

if you guys have read properly i said we both hit the same amount of bullets yet mine dont do as much dmg as the other guys that means skill issue ?

[magic pilot]

How exactly are you counting their bullets hit on you?

[warm knot]

What the heck is wrong with the honey badger? I'm trying to use it on a high end build but it just shoots rice 🍚.

[peak meadow]

I LOVE rice.

[red island]

It's not the best gun

[wheat current]

we both shoot a full clip at each other in the head same amount give or take a few shots miss should be near the same amount not alot people have 50% over headshot acc if they do have like 60 or 70 that is kinda sus to begin with

[fair dragon]

Wait, so if there are 2 racers, using the same car with the same tune, and there's only one winner, it's the car's fault?

[warm knot]

Any ideias on how to make that gun work? The gun sounds are satisfying, but the damage feels weird.

[hexed steppe]

90% of the issues in this game boil down to skill issues. tbh, even pve issues are are usually skill issues... pvp isnt forced, if you dont like it, dont run it, there is nothing you gain there that cant be obtained in pve

[wheat current]

like come on man average headshot acc is 50% to 60% anything higher is a cheater i dont get kills in dayz for a reason

[magic pilot]

??

[red island]

You'd be better off using a better gun tbh, otherwise nothing much to do, it's just a gun

[magic pilot]

What does Dayz have to do with Div 2

[hexed steppe]

way more at stake in dayz

[wheat current]

damn cant gif a facepalm i compared it

[red island]

The plot thickens

[hexed steppe]

true hardcore

[magic pilot]

Terrible comparison

[fair dragon]

Dayzision 2

[red island]

Maybe they are in the wrong discord and they play dayz

[magic pilot]

Not even close to the same game

[warm knot]

Man I know, I just wanted to try something different. Thing is I've made a second character and had no builds on. So I came with the idea of running a high end build with the pieces I had lying around. But I really wanted to use that gun...

[red island]

Imo use striker then, it make any gun with high rpm viable

[magic pilot]

I'm confused as to how you think we can help you anymore, you have all the builds are your disposal but you have to be able to make them work

[wheat current]

okay so say it isnt a skill issue and i know i dont miss alot of headshots and they dont but why is mine doing less dmg to his head then when he shoots me?

like ik it isnt skill issue at all because i a pretty good aim yet my lackluster?

[red island]

If you do less damage your build isnt the same then

[magic pilot]

You can have great aim and still lose fights

[red island]

Or you dont know how to proc the bonusses

Which mean skill issue

[magic pilot]

Terrible position and strafing play a huge part, that too. Not mid maxing talent bonuses

[red island]

Skill isnt just aiming

[magic pilot]

If they are consistently getting 3 ad rush procs and play in catharsis cloud you are gonna have a hard time

[hexed steppe]

i wish lyfe had skillz

[red island]

Listen here u lil sht

😡

[magic pilot]

Also using insta kits at the right time is important

[hexed steppe]

you do type better than my 99% of the time

[red island]

Ill type you

Fear me

[hexed steppe]

just dont type your foot into your mouth and we all good 😉

im scared

truely

[red island]

U better be cause im scary

Like luigis mansion scary

[hexed steppe]

shaking so much my second and 3rd chins are throwing me off balance

[red island]

Fk I still need to complète that mortar build

I forgot

[hexed steppe]

skill issue

[wheat current]

so basically its like stats the bonus stats or is it the modifiers?

[hexed steppe]

[red island]

😔

[ancient dune]

Sounds to me like you don't have the exact same build as him then 👍

[red island]

There is no modifier in pvp

[wheat current]

i do not have the stats does that make a huge difference or ?

like the bonus stats on watch levels

[red island]

So you dont have the same build

[solar sable]

conflict disables watch and modifiers

what about the dmg or armor boosts/supply drops????

[wheat current]

does that 300k shield difference in a fight make that much of a difference?

[red island]

Yes

[hexed steppe]

the med kit mentioned above 👆 can really make a difference afaik. that would definitely boil down to tactics

[wheat current]

they dont really have that in the beginning of the fight they just run up on me and they instantly delete me like 1 or 2 shots alot of the time from what i see

[hexed steppe]

is it them or you initiating the fight

a majority of the time *

[red island]

You dont even say what buff they have or you have

Are you debuffed by another enemy ? Are you pulsed ? Etc

[wheat current]

like i have said in the beginning i dont have much to do like see them get behind cover and i am dead as soon as i reach that cover or we sit there and shoot each other in hte head yet i dont miss much shots and they dont miss alot of shots yet he has half or over half shields left and i am dead is what i was asking even with hazpro i still get deleted by status effects and such as well

[hexed steppe]

and tbf i dont think lyfe or i would stand a chance in pvp either... i know lyfe wouldnt anyways😆

[red island]

I dislike pvp so I dont bother, but I can hold my ground most of the time

I just find it very uninteresting

I do it for the weekly reward and that's it

[hexed steppe]

i have undiscovered dz's at 7200hrs.

[red island]

Nice

[wheat current]

its understandable i was actually thinking about going back to pvp in conqueror's blade less cheaters and my builds are pretty good lol

[red island]

I wish I could play more

But life isnt easy

[hexed steppe]

how an agent preps is probably playing a part in your encounters...

[wheat current]

i am saying it doesnt work because i have tried almost every build and only one i had success was the smg hazpro build but still get deleted instantly in most cases

[red island]

Most pvp battes are decided by who engage with an advantage first

[wheat current]

with ouroboros hazpro build it was pretty decent but the smg has low dmg so i have to unload 2 mags though

[red island]

You have à good flank ? That 3 people down instantly

Someone is low/reloading ? That's an easy target

[solar sable]

french kb just slipped
has happened to me too lol

[red island]

Shame on me

[wheat current]

i do love the bighorn maybe it isnt for me should switch to ouroboros then xD!! maybe it is a skill issue but still feel like my dmg is really lack luster ill figure it out

[shy willow]

If you're not hitting heads it will not perform

[red island]

Anyway, if you think pvp is fair 1v1 it's not, you have to outsmart your enemies and show them why they shouldnt pvp

[shy willow]

Sounds to me like your opponents just have better aim

[wheat current]

i can definitely hit heads maybe just not as much as i thought or my gun build just sucks idk lol but it is something

because alot of the times they just sit there and stare at me and let me do it and laugh at me for lack luster of hsd lol

maybe it is my build then and the latency problem ill probably go refarm all my items and see if i can get better ones and see if that fixes it

[near mason]

Guys what's a good Tank DPS build

Having like 1.5M armor and decent to high damage

[wheat current]

they'll tlel you look in pinned msgs for the builds in there you'll find everything you'll need

imma just refarm everything atm i have see if that is my problem and just put up with it atm lol

[urban latch]

Hunters fury or heart breaker, memento, and whatever armor cures you need

[near mason]

Are these builds good for IH Raid

I did it once on discovery for the trophy achievement and after never did it again but for DH Raid done it dozens of times and have multiple types of DPS builds

[strong cave]

Iron Horse raids should more or less be full of Striker builds and builds dedicated to those with specific roles

[near mason]

Yeah man I'm looking for a build to start doing the raid just thought let me ask what everyone is using

[strong cave]

Hunters fury or heartbreaker has no role in iron horse in terms of traditionally completing the raid (idk if Speedrun methods use those builds so I can't speak on that part)

[strong cave]

Most are gonna ask you to come with strikers and once you learn the raid and the roles, you'll come with role specific builds

I do this with dark Hours raid. I have 3 characters with role builds on that specific raid just in case people need to swap roles mid raid

[near mason]

Well I kinda wanna know what builds they use

[near mason]

I'm usually dps only

[strong cave]

Never done iron horse?

[near mason]

Done it literally once

For the achievement

[near mason]

W Profile Picture btw

[strong cave]

They'll still likely ask you to show up with striker build and rather just have you shoot stuff and not die as opposed to teaching you the mechanics. In terms of learning what builds to use, I recommend just checking out YouTube for guides there. GC Rock i think has a few

[near mason]

Alright man Thanks

[strong cave]

I'm trying to stay within the realm of "acceptable" content creators that are good build sources and game information, not many are out there

GC Rock i know for sure is one

[near mason]

But for solo play, these are good enough

[strong cave]

^^ correct. Just don't take them into raids

[near mason]

Allright

[strong cave]

I know they've got numerous types of roles and builds for those. I don't know fully in depth iron horse mechanics, as I've only done it enough for Reg and picked up Rav on my first go. Key stagger is one, usually just a Regen hazpro build with rav. There's oxi one as well, healer of course, and a few others. Headhunter is a useful one. Nego is for Speedrun tactics

Dark Hours is a cakewalk compared to iron horse

I avoid iron horse bc it's the most annoying imo and it's not easy to teach new players

[untold mist]

Any body got a dps striker build for legendary

[fair dragon]

Pretty much everyone who does Legendary has one

[hazy steeple]

They're asking for a build, don't be rude.

@untold mist If you check out the 📌 pinned-message in this channel, you can see the "spreadsheet 2", check the builds section in there.
We can help you work through any confusion about it that you might have.

[shy willow]

Its so much more fun 😔

[rich lotus]

interesting… 😭

[stable marten]

Whats the best way to get On going directive pieces?

[versed summit]

Targeted loot. Challenging Countdown works best

[stable marten]

Sorry meant System Corruption. Not sure if its only in the DZ or if you can run conflict too

[shy willow]

Syscor is DZ exclusive

Doesn't pop up in TL either

So either pray you get a random drop or farm legacy caches

[stable marten]

Copy thank you

[hazy steeple]

Luckily, it's basically a worthless set.

[lofty panther]

Best kit to run with Diamondback?

[lofty panther]

rn Im running 2 piece BP with other being High DPS with max CHD

[upper terrace]

what's best place to farm ninjabike? summit or countdown?

[versed summit]

Challenging countdown

[dark bough]

hey gang i found some named items and all of them just so happened to work pretty well with something i was making! i want yalls opinions! basically first off the relic marksman rifle has perfect determined which gives me free crit headshots,

then the chainkiller gives me perfect headhunter which lets me do a bunch more damage using the killing blow damage of my last headshot kill. lastly the lavo has perfect galvanize. and considering i use flashbangs and the blinder it allows me to get a bunch of bonus armor which helps since equipping the chainkiller got rid of alot of armor i had! and then the coyotes mask is the coyotes mask and the pestilence is just my secondary for close range!

what do yall think? this is ALL concept since i just got these items and put em together plus its just really random

i think it could be quite nice for what im trying to do which is just kind of have fun! and also the oxidzer chem launcher is to make enemies get out of cover

[upper terrace]

I see a lot of builds on YT recommending Lexington. What can I use in place of that?

[hexed steppe]

police m4/elmo/famas

[upper terrace]

Thanks! Is chameleon any good?

What would be the ideal talent for the Police M4? Strained?

[hexed steppe]

random is one word for it. youll want a better mmr, m700 carbon/model 700/sr-1 with regular determined. either can really take advantage of headhunter proc. if you put on a providence vigilance bag, youll see a pretty good damage increase. use fox's knee. the dttooc affects oxi if thats the chem using.

[dark bough]

if im being so real i dont know what half of that stuff is im just messing around but good to know, i do have plans to get a bolt actions aswell i just really like the relic is pretty fun

ill keep an eye out for that stuff though

[hexed steppe]

cham ok, more mid since chasing buffs constantly. strained/measured are both decent now

[dark bough]

also i was using a m700 carbon before and its amazing too i just havent gotten a mmr with determined to put it on

so i need to find one

[hexed steppe]

nice, heading in the right direction

[dark bough]

also i tried it out and honestly its quite fun AND works well

although later i have another build idea using the mad bomber talent but for all that is holy I CANT FIND A PIECE OF ARMOR WITH MAD BOMBER ON IT GOOD GOD

basically i wanted mad bomber so i can cook flashes and make them explode the second the reach the enemy

which would be helpful

[waxen sage]

lol clearly you know what you're doing because determined sniper with chainkiller is like, THE sniper build

[dark bough]

well i dont i kinda just read it and went "wow thats perfect" and equipped it

[hexed steppe]

this is a way i run a highend pistol headhunter. the picaros holster could be whatever. vig back stronger on it

[dark bough]

oh hey i have the elmos

also im wearing the coyotes mask since its buff is nice for sniping due to the whole buffs based on shot distance thing

[waxen sage]

the coyotes buff is nice but you're probably better off running another exotic or like, 4pc hotshot

[dark bough]

also would you know the best way to get a DZ cache key? i need one since i need to open one for a priorty mission to get another exotic

[dark bough]

im wearing it since its the best exotic piece of amor i have currently

[hexed steppe]

dont need to crit with an mmr. punch drunk is 20% hsd

[subtle bluff]

0.o What did I see past my scrolling to catch up?

I'm sure localdeck is covering it.

[hexed steppe]

just headhunter things

[dark bough]

its the only one that works with my build currently! so when i find something that works better ill probably replace it

again im just kind of going with the flow of the gear i find

i see something, read it. if its better then what i had on? i put it on!

[dark bough]

also yea advice on this rq i know its a lil off topic