td2-build-advice

[gloomy spruce]

For PvP, go through @magic pilot 's PvP guide.

[charred eagle]

Is this a bug or sum? Shouldn’t it be tier 5 or honestly tier 6? I have 5 blue cores and the memento on…

Nvm… it changed to tier 6 somehow

[urban latch]

Might just be not updating, but if your expecting a skill tier from the kard just keep in mind it's only active when you have it pulled out

[static shadow]

Game could be acting like it did at 3am eastern time it was buggy as all get out lol

[sudden maple]

Hi guys. I had a struggle about which build to choose but for now I think I'm sorted. Just a question I have about vets. I've been farming for gear I've never had a came across with a vest that have the following talents.

Killing and enemiey adds and refreshs a stack of +10% bonus armor. Max stack is 10 or Mybe more.
Is the a vest with such a talents? Mybe I'm looking for something that doesn't exist.

[onyx sage]

that talent is bloodsucker and it's only on backpacks

[boreal ingot]

yep bloodsucker

[sudden maple]

Thanks alot. I've been farming for it almost for 2 weeks now😂😂. I saw that the is something wrong here. Yesterday I went to sumit I didn't find it. then I started to get worried, then I remembered that I can ask you guys thanks a lot.

But now Im going to have a problem with my gear. I have a Memento bag pack and the talent it's dropping trophys that adds armor etc.

And I don't want to replace it😔 any advice?

[sudden maple]

And I found the mosquito hand gun i do get the stacks from killing enemies but not the way I want it. It gives 5 stacks😔

[red island]

there is a lot of build possible, check pinned message for the spreadsheet with the list

[onyx sage]

stacks from mosquito and stacks from bloodsucker are not the same

[red island]

check the gun talent, the stacks are for something else

[sudden maple]

Most guns I get they don't stack armor

[red island]

most guns are made to deal damage, not moskito

your goal in the end is to kill enemies

[tulip charm]

mosquito is mainly a support thing

Theres no gun talent that gives bonus armor other than Ravenous and thats a raid/dz exclusive

[sudden maple]

I agree I just wanted a gear that will stack my 9/10 times you see

[sudden maple]

I see thanks for the information 🙏

[red island]

HF build might suit you, it gives bonus armor + regen

or heartbreaker

[onyx sage]

so a "stack" is just like a level, it depends on what talent says it does with those stacks and how you gain those stacks

bloodsucker says it stacks armor but another talent like mosquito says it does something else with "stacks"

these 2 stacks aren't equivalent

[red island]

thoses arent the same stacks

a bloodsucker stack isnt the same as moskito stack

its 2 separate things

[sudden maple]

I will try it out

I see most players uses a striker build. It's wat I've been using as well but I don't see how it's helping me as a new player.

[subtle bluff]

I mean it allows agents to do A good amount more DPS.

[plain crystal]

this is like my first try at like pvp build? idk what im doin but is this like somewhat decent?

[red island]

this is a good baseline

you'd want another blue core imo

[nova tulip]

Hello, maybe someone could recommend some advice for this build on what should I improve on 🙂

[plain crystal]

Alright ima switch mask to blue core tyty

[red island]

looks fine for pve, you'ree missing a mod on chest tho, and i'd suggest a shotgun like lefty or rocknroll instead of an lmg as secondary

[nova tulip]

yes im going for PvE build, not really interested in PvP

and thats about that missing mod 😄 didnt saw it myself 😄

[red island]

also if you play solo i'd recommend a rez hive just in case

[nova tulip]

more or less atm grinding countdown, recently started playing Div2

bought it with sale

[lament oasis]

Memento is great, but Coyote's mask, and the firewall shield let you spread the love to your team alot. That clears you up to run the chest with the extra perk for strikers, and either the striker backpack (also good perk) or a backpack with bloodsucker on it. Adds alot to your survivability. LMG is better replaced with an AA12 variant, or an SMG as LMGs cannot be used on the shield

Rez hive, or defender drone for more survuvability over the pulse

[nova tulip]

something like this? as a refrence found on web

[red island]

this is good as a base

[frail pine]

does the magazine size capacity increase stack multiplicativly? or i just get it as it is?

like if i have 15 from eagle's grasp and 50 from the centurion's scabbard

[charred eagle]

Glad we’re on this topic. I had the same question… correct me if I’m wrong. But the striker backpack will put out more dmg than memento? But memento for more survivability? Kinda like the bonus armor you get

I’m runnin the coyote with striker backpack and the dps is good asf but I feel like I could play more reckless with memento…

[red island]

its additive afaik

[frail pine]

huh?

[red island]

you can give up damage for survivibility, its up to you

[frail pine]

what does those words mean?

[red island]

that mean its 50 + 15 not 15 * 50

if you dont wanna reload just play with bulletking

[frail pine]

oh

[charred eagle]

And for the firewall shield, does that cone in front of me increase my dmg by the mod I have on Or am I trippin?

[red island]

read the shield description

[charred eagle]

Ahhh gotcha. Reading is fundamental lol

Thx

[red island]

yeah, you need to read a lot to see what does anything and how to synergize

[frail pine]

306% weapon damage

thats crazy

centurin's scabbard with that polski mountains attribute

[red island]

its nice, but you'll soon see its better to stack different sources of damage than just one

because they multiply each other

[frail pine]

hmm

i wonder how much better that is than just stacking one source of damage

[red island]

well its easy, if you had 300% weapon damage, and add 10% weapon damage, you end up with 310% weapon damage
if you go for amp damage for example, 10% will change your damage from 300% to 330%

now add 10% dttooc, now headshot, now crit, etc

the only exception is crit and headshot dont multiply with each other, everything else does

[frail pine]

if i go with 275 with an app of 40 what will i get?

hunter killer plus breakpoint

[red island]

you have to check every stat you have in your stat tab

its good to use the shooting range to test out the results

but there are a lot of sources of damage

dttooc, dta, weapon damage, amp weapon damage, headshot damage, crit damage, damage to health, etc

i dont remember if we got damage to elite anymore

[frail pine]

i am scared

i have no idea what any of that means

[red island]

the first 2 are damage to target out of cover, damate to armor

division 2 is a maths heavy game

i suggest you check thoses stats to see what else is there

[subtle bluff]

Ceska instead of Fenris so then you don't have to stats into so much CHC.

[frail pine]

i hate math

😭

[red island]

well bud you're in the wrong game then xd

you can just copy paste any build you want instead of doing them yourself

[frail pine]

but i already invested over 500 hours into the game

[subtle bluff]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FaDDfFIqOgdTfceG2ByFvmgStZ6K7whC-7LdND6WXL0/edit?usp=drivesdk
to check your DPS.

[frail pine]

i want a big boom boom one with the ravenous rifle

[red island]

have you heard of the sunk cost fallacy ?

[frail pine]

the what?

[red island]

from google : The sunk cost fallacy is our tendency to follow through with something that we've already invested heavily in (be it time, money, effort, or emotional energy), even when giving up is clearly a better idea.

[frail pine]

i dont even know if agent kelso is evil or not

[red island]

did you play the story ?

[frail pine]

i did that in my first 80 hours i havent done and story content in the last 420 hours of my playtime

i did the warlords right after coming back

[red island]

did you do the manhunts ?

[frail pine]

every single one

[red island]

then you should know whats going on

[frail pine]

really?

[red island]

i mean its not a complex story

[frail pine]

wasnt this a pew pew game?

[frail pine]

really?

[red island]

yeah really

[frail pine]

damn, i am going to be baked very soon

[red island]

replay the manhunts imo

to catch up

[frail pine]

damn, i would rather just get the answers i want neatly offered to me on a silver plate

sooo should i kill agent kelso because she is evil or not, i mean i want to kill her regardless

but i wish to know if she is evil or not

[red island]

story wont let you kill her if they dont want to

same way you cant kill keener rn

[frail pine]

yeah that village poisoning guy needs to die no matter what he launched that evil virus rocket at a village killing a bunch of innocent cows

[red island]

he didnt

[frail pine]

he didnt?

[red island]

you stopped that in wony

last mission

[frail pine]

YAAAY i am a hero then, i saved the chickens and other farm animals

[red island]

are you tho ?

[frail pine]

i guess so, heroes kill bad guys, or make them go kaboom with the ravenous, i love blowing people up by embedding them with small c4 bullets

killer queen type stuff

[red island]

how do you know they bad guys ?

how do you know you're not one ?

[frail pine]

obviously, because i have isac telling me to save innocent people, every time go and kill a bunch of people who want to publicly murder civilians

pretty obvious

[red island]

yeah but you're killing civilians too

[solar sable]

yo, build advice lol

[red island]

yeah, this is the wrong chan xd

[frail pine]

well i would if i could, but i cant so i dont kill civilians oh right the answer to my question is parasite kelso evil or not?

[violet juniper]

My newest child, I've already changed the talent

[subtle bluff]

No DTTooC?

[violet juniper]

need Crit chance

I'm using Rifleman as my talent, due to the burst fire

[subtle bluff]

DTTooC will do more damage.
Mixing Crit and HSD isn't worth it. Either go one way or another.

[violet juniper]

oh I already respecced the majority of my stuff to crit

I just prefer having Crit chance so I get more yummy yellow numbers

[subtle bluff]

The talent is what I'm saying.

[manic root]

server restarting in 25 min

[subtle bluff]

If you want to go Crit rifle go OD. It really good with it.

[manic root]

should I be worried ?

[subtle bluff]

Wrong chat. We're building stuff.

#td2-general-chat

[manic root]

is that against the law ?

[subtle bluff]

You're mudding up the chat with off topic stuff.

[manic root]

i ll just google it, thanks

there nobody in GC

[subtle bluff]

GL

[peak moss]

Changing talents on my chest piece for dps build, should I pick glass cannon or obliterate

[shy willow]

If you're comfortable with all red then pick GC

[peak moss]

Sounds good

One of those ones where I gotta stay in cover a bit more as I’ll take more damage

?

[onyx sage]

or you learn the NPC timing so you know when to shoot and when not to and all that stuff

but yeah it requires a bit more awareness

[peak moss]

I mean if it does more damage I guess I’ll learn the npc timings

Had someone earlier telling me striker is a lazy dps build and that an all gold dps build will get higher numbers

[onyx sage]

yeah it's rewarding imo. at higher difficulties enemies deal so much damage anyway that practicing awareness now will do you wonders

well if striker doesn't get time to stack then that is true

[honest moss]

If you get caught out you will fall over. Imho, go obliterate. GC is going to be higher dps but a gust of wind will strip your armour. If you like playing risky or careful then try GC.

[peak moss]

Yeah I’m more of a run and gun player I’d be getting knocked 24s with gc

[onyx sage]

give it an honest try. your gameplay can only improve over time so even if GC doesn't fit you now it doesn't mean you should stay away from it altogether

if you've tried it and it doesn't work, you can go back

[honest moss]

Or worse case, get unbreakable if you really need more survivability. Striker DPS with a good weapon will still be fine.

Will also suggest hunter's fury. It is more of an smg/shotgun set but i have been loving it recently. Pretty great set for run and gun with a shield.

[hexed steppe]

umbra question... am i better off with the set chest or highend (glass/oblit)?

[onyx sage]

i would use the chest

[honest moss]

I prefer to run the chest, gets stacks quicker

[hexed steppe]

alright cool. ill go ceska vig and fox's with it i think

[subtle bluff]

Depends on what weapon you're using and if a buff to rpm is worth it or not.

[hexed steppe]

probably elmo/m1a cqb. i do have artists tool and dark winter in the bag tho so will probably flex the others in if i feel lacking with m1a

also can go ceska coyote if fox's isnt the play

ive one used umbra for about 10 minutes so gonna give it some attention for a bit

[subtle bluff]

Try Merciless umber Chest, eagle grasp and fox.

But otherwise don't use chest with either of those weapons imo.

[violet juniper]

Rifleman doesn't give headshot damage?

you're thinking of breadbasket

Rifleman is 11% weapon damage per headshot up to 55%

[subtle bluff]

Oh right. Derp.
OD with sadist hit harder.

[rich lotus]

No

[violet juniper]

I was looking at that build ngl

wouldn't Cherished or Ridgeways be a decent chest for it?

backpack would have to be wicked or vigilance obviously

[violet juniper]

That guy was flat out wrong

well, not about striker being lazy (it is, and boring to boot) but it's unfortunately the best DPS all round build

[shy willow]

Trauma is garbage and Ridgeway is meh

Can be a fun piece though

[violet juniper]

I still wanna try it

It's just the slog you have to go through to get it

[shy willow]

Its not so bad

[subtle bluff]

OD Chest makes the dmg from 20% to 50%

[shy willow]

Oh if we're talking OD yeah the chest is absolutely must have now

On a DPS focused setup anyway

[cloud raptor]

Think I’ve gotten more pestis than matadors today

[echo fox]

Is rock n roll shotgun in general loot pool? I've never even seen it but I see people with it all the time

[subtle bluff]

Nope it isn't.

[echo fox]

How to aquire?

[hazy steeple]

It's locked toe the DZ, so your choices are limited to:
DZ/conflict caches/named item caches/veeeery occasionally from the Countdown Vendor (but never Countdown itself).

[echo fox]

Oh I see ty very much

[charred lily]

currently trying to make a striker build using coyote and ceska+obliterate (not sure what weapon is best with this if someone could lmk), is there an optimal way to set up attributes/gear mods that i should be following? finding it difficult to hit high crit rate/dmg.. best i can hit is 50/108 right now

[glad heart]

It is hard to get to high crit damage on a striker build, because it starves for crit chance. The high damage comes from building stacks. I have a hard time getting above 132% base chd on striker. I run St Elmo, but Lexington is a good choice also. Others run FAMAS....

[glad heart]

This is the striker build guide:

https://lite.evernote.com/note/0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a

[charred lily]

thank u

[subtle bluff]

The Evernote one is good too if you want more detail or have questions.

[charred lily]

i was seeing that one, i think i just struggle with attribute stuff and knowing what the best things are in terms of weapons/gun and gear mods

im still new to the endgame so its probably just my lack of available guns/mods/recalibrations

[viral adder]

what am i missing?

[red island]

whats the point of the build ?

[versed flame]

pvp??

[viral adder]

pve or pvp or something idk

returning player

[red island]

you need to change the chest brand to ceska, get crit rolls on your gear, and get a weapon with another talent then

also striker isnt the best for pvp

there are too many oneshot builds, cc builds, fire builds, etc

its fine for dz, but not conflict imo

[viral adder]

i wont do conflict anyway i think

is ceska just random?

[versed flame]

Well, with ouroboros-pp, maybe

strikers-pvp

[red island]

yeah

[viral adder]

and what talent do i pick?

[red island]

unbreakable is fine

but getting 2 crit rolls is hard

[versed flame]

such

[red island]

obliterate is a good choice too

[urban latch]

Work on filling up your tinker station library, and use that to swap out those minor blue attributes with crit rolls. Your chest would ideally be replaced as well

[viral adder]

crit change or damage?

chance*

[red island]

both on the chest

and overall you want something like 50% crit chance and the rest crit damage

[urban latch]

Balance of both. Ideally you'd be at the crit chance cap of 60% and over 120% chd. If you can't get that hit keep them at a 2:1 ratio

[viral adder]

how u get that exotic gun?

[red island]

its elmo, its just random drop

[versed flame]

The countdown

[urban latch]

It's not necessarily countdown, it's just that challenging countdown is generally the best place to farm most gear

[viral adder]

can u target farm that exotic or just lucky

[versed flame]

random)

maybe immediately, maybe by 20

[viral adder]

can u still get it when ur target farming striker?

[urban latch]

You'll be able to target a certain type of loot, but not exotics. You'll also certain credits to buy exotic caches, so you'll get a random one every few runs

[viral adder]

can u get it on challenging or only heroic

[urban latch]

Challenging is generally better, especially when your new

[viral adder]

and for the exotic caches?

[urban latch]

You earn credits regardless

[viral adder]

where can u open it?

[urban latch]

You buy them at the Whitehouse

[viral adder]

rip got sawyers kneepads

[red island]

its random, you gotta do it for a while to get what you want

[prime elbow]

Is this good? Dont have any other decent glove, all Status effect and Skill Haste mods

Im at 77,3 Skill Haste if that matters

[red island]

creeping death bagpack would be better

you cna check the build in pinned spreadsheet

[urban latch]

not for the fire setup, they are good as is

ideally swap spec to either firewall or survivalist

[red island]

oh for fire yeah

im used to cc build with ep

[prime elbow]

Dont have firewall, will Run survivalist then

[prime elbow]

Using only fire, should I still run Creeping death or is the EP backpack good?

[red island]

its good i guess

i dont run ep fire so im not really knowing much on that tbh

[prime elbow]

First time using skill related builds, so I'm not sure what works and what doesn't

[red island]

there a few skill builds

i like turret + seekers

ep fire is nice too

but someone in here will come and tell you to try out mortar build until they die

[prime elbow]

Hate mortars

so clunky to use

[red island]

well, check the build, you'd be surprised how effective it is

[prime elbow]

I'm looking for smt fun and useful.

of all skills mortars and Seeker mines are, for me, the worst

[red island]

fun is subjective, cant really tell you what to play

[hoary atlas]

Hunter Build PVE : 4x Striker 1x Belstone (Unbreakable) and 1x Exodus Gloves

Is this good or nah

[bold leaf]

I haven't tried unbreakable and exodus at the same time, I imagine there's too much overlap

[charred lily]

is it better to be all red core on striker or is it just preference? i usually see all red in the guides but actual player's builds use some blue

[hoary atlas]

Nah im need armor for survivability

[bold leaf]

It often comes down to personal preference. More damage means you're able to clear enemies quicker and therefore be less prone to dying. But it also requires better situational awareness. positioning etc to get the most out of it

I found over time that blue cores on any build that wasn't specifically a tank meant everything took longer to kill - not necessarily that there was more survivability

[charred lily]

is this the same for pvp?

[bold leaf]

I have no idea about pvp I'm afraid

[charred lily]

im looking to primarily play pvp after i get my pve builds done first

[shy willow]

pretty accurate assessment

pvp people generally run blues

[bold leaf]

I have seen a lot of armour regen builds with Catharsis in pvp, so maybe have a look for something along those lines?

[hexed steppe]

Mortar build is best build

[hexed steppe]

Eclipse backpack.
All status rolls on gear, use capacitor to give fire 2 different attributes to boost damage (skill damage/status effects/ damage to armor all boost fire)

.
Btw, a lot of people have a hard time on mortar because they either build it weak af, dont understand that placement matters, or dont really understand npc behavior and how to predict the pathing.
In right hands, mortar is absolutely devastating

[cloud raptor]

Does striker work for the incursion for dps

[hexed steppe]

Yes

[cloud raptor]

What should I use

[hexed steppe]

Follow the guide in pinned spreadsheet

[normal pawn]

Ahere is this

[bright raptor]

pinned message in this channel, The Spreadsheet 2

[normal pawn]

Ahh thank u, btw does anyone know if ninja back still drops from countdown

[warm knot]

Depends on the content. For legendary you want to go all reds. Thing is 1 or 3 armor cores wont do much by itself. I wouldn't use striker for anything but legendary, since its hard to keep the stacks on lower difficulties. So yeah, just go all reds.

[prime elbow]

How many pieces does the ridgeway has? Doing Summit rn and got 4, is there a fifth?

Yeah i'm missing 60-80, joined a squad that were on 89

skipped 1

[subtle bluff]

It can but to be honest. It's a noob trap it's actually bad.

[prime elbow]

What sets does a Medic oriented build uses?

[fresh fox]

future initiative

[bold leaf]

Refractor

[fresh fox]

fi better i’m afraid

but still good

[charred lily]

ive seen different things online when looking up builds, how does headshot dmg bonus compare to critical hit dmg bonus in terms of dmg calculation?

is it ever worth taking headshot dmg

[viral adder]

how rare is getting ceska chestplate in countdown, i have never seen it

[red island]

not specially rare, but there is a lot of items in the pool

so its takes a while

[cloud raptor]

Can you still get a shield splitter?

[red island]

yes

[tulip charm]

Headshot and crit dmg are additive to each other so you prioritize one or the other.

And yes headshot is worth if you’re running headhunter/determined in pve or running a headshot pvp build

[charred lily]

so is headshot bonus and chd the same damage if you're hitting headshots on both?

or am i misunderstanding

[red island]

no, chd only is useful on crit hits

[charred lily]

ngl i don't know why i forgot about chc.. oops

[normal pawn]

Then whats the best way to farm ninja backpack

[red island]

countdown with tl bagpack

but its a bad item, just saying

[normal pawn]

Ah shit

[frail pine]

what is the difference between the duration and deflect duration mods for the deflector drone?

[cloud raptor]

What skills should I run with a bighorn regen build

[frail pine]

what is the difference between these two mods?

[charred lily]

iirc

[split flare]

Any heal build ideas? I use a mix of future initiative rn

[frail pine]

what?

[charred lily]

mb i'll reword it

[frail pine]

so the drone is not up for the whole 20 second duration if it deflects bullets?

[charred lily]

Drone duration extends the total period the drone is up.
Deflect duration makes the drone deplete less when deflecting bullets.

im pretty sure this is how it works

[bright raptor]

you can try the red Future Initiative versions in the pinned spreadsheet

[charred lily]

yes

[frail pine]

so when it deflects a bullet the total remeaning duration decreases

[charred lily]

yes, at least to my knowledge

[frail pine]

damn thats kinda uslessy nerfed

[charred lily]

i think deflect duration is good for that but i'm not too sure

someone who does drones builds would know better

[normal pawn]

anyone know if amplified is better than chc /chd/weapon dmg %?

[bright raptor]

always

[dreamy valve]

The more chc,chd,weapon damage you have, the more useful amplified will be for you

[normal pawn]

in the spreadsheet theres no updated buld for y6s3?

[red island]

things didnt change that much

[normal pawn]

ohhh

sorry new player thought there would b major revamps every update

[onyx sage]

it depends

[red island]

for modifiers yes, not for the rest

[hexed steppe]

All the main builds should be up to date and not really need adjustments. If you're not sure is a build is still optimal, bring it up here and whoever is on can give an answer

[rich lotus]

Game hasn’t seen a major revamp in 3+ years

[hexed steppe]

Recent balance passes have changed the metas a bit

[rich lotus]

Yeah that’s not stopping everyone from still running Striker

The same setup even

They tried nerfing it but immediately reverted it when Twitter complained

It’s just sad

[hexed steppe]

Still see ppl running true patriot as well

[magic pilot]

Meta

[red island]

still people running lvl 5 gear at shd 5k too

[magic pilot]

Probably still running it with pestilence

[red island]

so, not great

[rich lotus]

We had more build diversity when high end setups where meta

[red island]

build diversity isnt that important

i nice to have it, but its better to have few fun builds over numerous unfun builds

[magic pilot]

People couldn't figure out 3 prov was meta

[rich lotus]

I miss M1A meta so much

I want it back

I would legit reinstall the game

[red island]

elmo > m1a

fite me

[frail pine]

yeah elmo is better because it can just nuh uh people

btw i hope that after the big ac shadows flop they try to focus on their already existing and succesful titles like for honor, division2, i want every piece of gear to be op and usable in legendary raids

[rich lotus]

Keep dreaming buddy

AC Shadows flop still makes more money than division 2 has generated over its lifetime

[frail pine]

there is no way thats true

[red island]

thats not it works tho, if money doesnt come in their pocket they just abandon ship entirely

also whaet is true, division 1 and 2 are very niche compared to ac

[frail pine]

to the ac franchise in general yes, but not compared to shadows that game flopped harder than a

hmm floppa cat, i dont know, they say its the most nieche game, same as that star wars game

[red island]

ac shadow didnt flop, it already sold 2m copies

thats more than division could ever dream of

[frail pine]

crazy

can we move to general?

[red island]

this is more offtopic

[frail pine]

there was an offtopic channel, i am blind

[atomic trench]

whats meta these days, didn't play since 2 weeks in last season cause pc hickups
kinda sad since i bought the season pass then

[red island]

no real change to meta since last season

[atomic trench]

but thats was the dmr changes so what good these days since i not got a lot of playtime back then

what are good solo builds and so

[red island]

you can check builds in pinned message in the spreadsheet

[subtle bluff]

I'm assume you mean Rifles since in MMR's and some Rifles could be group IRL has DMR's.
If you like Rifle stuff look up the OD build in the spreadsheet. It got buffed and IMO it's a great solo build.

[cloud raptor]

Good or bad for DZ

[red island]

good

[cloud raptor]

Ok I’m gonna make it

I’m not too good with the regen bighorn one haha

[quartz warren]

Dps build any tips?

[hexed steppe]

ninja bike +5pc improvised

[red island]

anything but this

look up pinned message for builds

[prime elbow]

Just got it, what builds can I run with it ? Heard its good

[charred eagle]

Has anyone ever tried an OD build with blue cores, if so how’s the damage? I have an all red build and it’s shreds but the low armor is kinda gettin to me

[subtle bluff]

for CC builds with EP.

[prime elbow]

What set a CC build runs

[subtle bluff]

It's in the Pinned Messages

[prime elbow]

Should I tinker it or just leave it?

[subtle bluff]

You can. Ideally you want to use skill and stuff to get it

[subtle bluff]

Read the guide

[red island]

you should extract for librairy

[charred eagle]

I use the fixer drone/ revive hive but the fixer drone incoming repairs ain’t all that with me having 0 skill tier lol

[prime elbow]

The talent I'm guessing

[red island]

you cant extract the talent

its a perfect version

[prime elbow]

Named items are locked?

[red island]

you need to extract as manys tats as possible, you dont have any roles

[red island]

for talent and special stats yes

you cant change them either

[wheat current]

anyone have a good pvp build for bighorn?

[prime elbow]

I'm aware, got a few pieces but they are WAY to good to extract

Slowly relearning and learning the new stuff

[red island]

tbh creeping death is best on skill build, so red stats dont help you

[prime elbow]

Realized that just now

such a great talent stuck in a shit brand

[red island]

brand doesnt matter here

[subtle bluff]

Again guide explains it all at least it should.

[subtle bluff]

Use shield and Revier

[charred eagle]

Yeaaa, I use lmg’s on this build. Even tho Ar’s are good here too. The carnage/iron lung are monsters with it… but I guess I just gotta get better lol

[subtle bluff]

Issues with LMG in general it suppresses too much. AR and Rifle are the way to go with OD imo.

[rich lotus]

Suppression = good 👍🤫

Dont skull react me mr chow

You know im right

Suppressing the ads in courtyard is how you keep the fireteam alive

[charred eagle]

I like surpressing too, gives me time to move around lol

[onyx sage]

so true, i wish suppression worked with creeping death!!!1

[red island]

surppression isnt a status effect

[hexed steppe]

tbh, carnage OD wrecks regardless of suppression mechanic if youre chasing spawns. cant suppress if there isnt time to get to cover 😎

[prime elbow]

Running full fire, should I use the Capacitor or the Scorpio

[red island]

yeah im used to do that but sometimes npc like to instantly fire back and shred me before i can kill them all its sad im not skilled at all

rip in piss my hardcore character

[red island]

capacitor for damage imo

[hexed steppe]

definitely cap

[prime elbow]

thx

[hexed steppe]

make sure you stack it before using fire

or proc insync before firing

[red island]

yeah your fire damage is calculated at the moment of ignition, its not updated after

or at least thats how it used to work

[prime elbow]

I see

[hexed steppe]

using mostly status rolls on gear, right?

[prime elbow]

Yes, all Status and Skill haste

[hexed steppe]

perfect

looks good

[prime elbow]

Even in the Hana-U

overall I'm missing just 3,4% Haste

[hexed steppe]

wont even notice. get a strong fire going and use cap to help it spread and youre full damage on the next shot.
couple quick that may or maynot know.
you can manually ignite fire chem by double clicking skill key
you can instant fire sticky by double clicking that skillkey and it will act as hitscan and hit whatever is in your weapon reticle, even if they slip behind cover by time sticky makes it to them

[prime elbow]

Didn't know that, Thx

[merry stone]

quick question, haven't played in a while. st elmo chad and eagle bearer still top exotic ars??

[fair dragon]

You could say that

[merry stone]

so still the best huh?

i know they nerfed eb a bit and "adjusted" st elmo

[fair dragon]

"best" is subjective, but they're up there among the "best"

Lexington is not an exotic AR though

[merry stone]

thats a new named m4?

ok cool what about ouro and chatter box, they buffed the chatter right?

[shy willow]

Both mid

[fair dragon]

Chatterbox is mad OP in Descent though

[red island]

Chatterbox is bad on high difficulty, ouro is nice especially with striker

[shy willow]

Having exotic talents on other weapon types is quite fun

[warm knot]

I've seen some mag capacity related builds for chatterbox. But I dunno, I just can't rely on high end smg builds. HF's CC makes the difference.

[violet juniper]

Since when is Ouroboros mid?

its literally the best SMG

[violet juniper]

honestly think strega is better than eb

[shy willow]

Got nerfed

For boss burning backfire is the new king and for general use it drinks ammo

[violet juniper]

You mean the 30rpm "nerf"? Or an actual nerf

I don't read all through all the patch notes often, so it's likely I could've missed something

[charred lily]

how do you get +1 skill tier on a sidearm? is it a weapon mod? trying to get it for my striker build

[violet juniper]

unique to the TDI Kard Custom, and no it doesn't give you a free skill tier

only applies when you draw the pistol

[charred lily]

ohh, oki ty

[violet juniper]

Technician spec gives a free skill tier though!

[charred lily]

yea im using firewall w striker shield xd so i thought the skill tier would be nice but pain

ah well

[shy willow]

Damage got nerfed

[untold mist]

Anyone know a good high damage/ self sustain build

[hazy steeple]

What kind of range are you looking to play at?

[untold mist]

Im mainly a pve person if that answers youre question

[onyx sage]

range as in distance to the enemy

[untold mist]

mid to close range

[hazy steeple]

90% of builds we talk about are PvE, dw. :p
Oh then easy answer: Hunters Fury.

It's designed to be played within 15m, and each kill heals you.

For the crit setup:
4 pieces of HF on, then you pick the ceska chest and whatever backpack, I recommend Memento.
slap an SMG on it, and use it with the Firewall Shield, and you can sprint through Heroic.

You can go all reds, or a few blues, I don't recommend more than 2 blues if using Memento.

for the chest Talent: Obliterate. Gun Talet matters less, but Killer is really nice nowadays

[untold mist]

ooh okay thank you ill try it now

[hazy steeple]

If you want something more legible, there's a fully mathed out guide in the 📌 pinned-message of this channel, just look for "spreadsheet 2 > builds > Hunters Fury",

GL Agent

[subtle bluff]

Ouroboros
WD: 40,430 > 38,295
RPM: 1350 > 1250

Mid is bit harsh imo. It's always up on the Top 3. Hard to beat with it's mods and stats.

[full tulip]

Howdy 👋
So im thinking about going with a new build for solo rogue hunting, I was wondering if anyone has any ideas what would be the best build to go with?
Im thinking a build between health and high damage

I tend to enjoy hunting down rogue agents (players), rather than going rogue myself.
So I need something to counter rogues

[shy willow]

Now that it's not egregiously powerful in terms of DPS imo not worth taking a dead talent even though it has great mods

Converted smg9 so goated

[echo fox]

Any tips on improvement? Heartbreaker build.

Getting all the crit and crit damage rolls is hard 😭

Any advice is welcome

[subtle bluff]

Dont use KB. Pick up a M4 type or G36 make sure they have DTTooC (Dmg to targets out of Cover)

Work on maxing your library first

[warm knot]

I dunno why, but at least for me the technician laser pointer is kinda glitchy. Sometimes it just doesn't works. Kinda dropped HB (and spotter/flatline builds) cuz of that, I have no clue what I'm doing wrong there.

I unload my m4 on something and just get 20 stacks or so.

[broken bridge]

ACS 12 Shotgun for Heattbreaker

[warm knot]

I use that one. I run memento and a ceska off piece.

But that's not even the point here.

[boreal ingot]

Which stronger... Full charge Nemesis vs TAC 50 signature weapon on Sniper build? Without Heahunter buff, wish shooting range give signature ammo 😛

[broken bridge]

Nemesis is stronger

[normal pawn]

anyone know if higher base damage gun is better or a perfected talent (5% dmg inc)

[onyx sage]

depends on the gun

[red island]

why not both ?

[normal pawn]

if i had to pick one in between these 2 which will it b

[red island]

depends on the rest of the gear and stats

tbh the difference wont be that much

[onyx sage]

again, depends on the gun, if you be more specific we can probably help

[red island]

also depend what type of talent

[normal pawn]

was considering a perfected flatline ( dare lmg ) or a iwi lmg with higher base but normal flatline

[onyx sage]

would go with the negev

[red island]

tbh the difference isnt that big, just play the gun you like

[onyx sage]

or any lmg that actually lets you put the linked laser, because dare doesn't

[red island]

or kingbreaker

[normal pawn]

ookiee ty

[subtle bluff]

Kingbreaker DPS sucks with its RPM nerf. Who wants to shoot at 600rpm.

M249 Good base and High RPM.

[red island]

"kingbreaker good"
refuses to elaborate
leaves

[worn thicket]

Guys, what kind of build would you use to spawn camp black tusk units? (That includes warhounds. Im inclined to use regulus HF, but i need other ppl ideas

Legendary difficulty

[urban latch]

the tac50 is slightly stronger. You can generate ammo in the whitehouse by throwing on 4p tips and then swapping builds once you have ammo to the one you want to test on, just make sure both are on sharpshooter

[urban latch]

if your using HH HF then you can take out dogs by shooting them in the leg with a M870

[worn thicket]

What difference would it be if i were to shotry them in the leg, instead of shooting them with Hh stacks with regulus?

Wouldnt they die regardless?

[urban latch]

They have plating on the body, where if you shoot the leg you'll do health damage right away

[worn thicket]

I know that, but why shotgun

[urban latch]

that way you kill in 1 shot

more damage

[worn thicket]

Regulus still one shots at full charges regardless of body part

[red island]

thats for when you dont have stacks

[urban latch]

its not.....

[worn thicket]

So why swap to shotty, if regulus can also one tap?

I lose hh either way

[urban latch]

use the regulus then

[worn thicket]

Well im asking you

Im asking for the idea in general, not necessarily stick to the hf hh build

Skill build maybe whatever

(that isnt oxy)

[urban latch]

another option is rav, the explosive stacks will take them out very quickly

[fresh fox]

depending on group scaling it may not

and since you are gonna drop stacks anyways just guarantee the one shot with shotgun

[urban latch]

You should also be able to kill with the M870 after just 1 set of HH stacks, where I'm pretty sure you need to be maxed with the regulus.

[onyx sage]

shooting at the leg normally reduces your damage by 90% if you don't crit and have no HH stacks, but with HH involved you only lose 90% on the bullet damage but not your HH damage. still, regulus HH dips low enough that you'll not be able to kill a dog with just regulus in groups

[worn thicket]

Im talkin solo

[onyx sage]

i mean you could try it if you don't believe us

[worn thicket]

Expand on this?

[onyx sage]

rav deals explosive damage which ignores plating

[worn thicket]

Wth is a rav

[onyx sage]

ravenous

[worn thicket]

Uhh, am i supposed to do
The shoulder swappin bs?

[onyx sage]

exotic rifle from IH

[worn thicket]

Or does it just ignore

[onyx sage]

yeah

you need to detonate by shooting with stacks from the other shoulder

[worn thicket]

Meh, i still have other enemies to deal with which spawn in the door

Cant afford to play around dancing

[onyx sage]

and that also forces you to not play regulus

so just use m870

[urban latch]

yeah, rav isnt really a great solo option, and using both sholders generally leaves you exposed. Its just a quick way to deal a lot of damage, it also bypasses thier armor

[worn thicket]

Will a cc chd, hf shotgun build work?

[onyx sage]

you probably won't be able to hit 150% hsd

[worn thicket]

No no hs

[onyx sage]

then yeah

[urban latch]

what build exactly?

[worn thicket]

HF body shot ig

Lemme simplify, what build should i use to wipe bucnh of enemies that spawn in legendary doors to spawn kill them asap, black tusk units

[urban latch]

Your asking if a build would work without clearly explaining the build your thinking of

HH HF is the number 1 build for what your talking about for a reason. But part of that is situationally using the M870 like we've been trying to explain

[onyx sage]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/a7f5c11a-6dfd-226c-836b-18e272395d1c

the hunter's fury variant in this sheet

[worn thicket]

Any skills to crowd control them beside the dizzynes from Hf?

[onyx sage]

emp sticky, foam

[worn thicket]

Thats a highend build tho

[onyx sage]

i mean you know nemesis because i see you're friends with him, you could also ask him

[worn thicket]

Oh

[onyx sage]

scroll down

[worn thicket]

Mb

Yea im running exact same setup

[onyx sage]

then you should do just fine

[worn thicket]

Minus the shotties

Ait ill give it a shot

Why firewall

[onyx sage]

for the shield

[worn thicket]

Doe it affect the bulwar?

[onyx sage]

no

the shield just gives you more damage

[worn thicket]

Ait

[onyx sage]

and bulwark doesn't let you swap to m870

[worn thicket]

True

[subtle bluff]

I’m so lost… How do you want to do door camping build know what regulus to a degree but then not a bench of other things. Go look at the Pinned Message and read up on the different gearset and all of it.

[worn thicket]

Ok it worked. I had a few runnaways

Not sure how to stop them in their tracks, shock trap kinda all over the place

Okay i can adjust that cool

But uh, as soon as the rovers and doggies started comin out they got me fkd up lmao, aint nothing stopping that

[onyx sage]

it's just practice

what legendary are you doing?

[glad pilot]

Summit f100 door on the left

(my 2nd dc)

[onyx sage]

you in the same team as him?

[glad pilot]

i am the same person as him

[onyx sage]

lol

[glad pilot]

lmao

that was on mobile im on pc

[onyx sage]

yeah nowadays i just do m870

[glad pilot]

it really isnt going to work

theres 5 waves of enemies, each wave is like 6+

[onyx sage]

regulus can catch me off cuz i can run into random chunga or dog

[glad pilot]

plus the doggies and rovers that run out what not

i only got so many bullets

swapping, dead, reloading, prolly dead

[onyx sage]

you tried melee baiting?

[glad pilot]

idk how to do that

[onyx sage]

bait them into meleeing you

makes them stand still for a bit while you reload

[glad pilot]

what about the dogs that rush out

if i look away, the spawns get messed up

[onyx sage]

dogs you focus on legs instantly

[glad pilot]

i can take you to the run u can try

[onyx sage]

i'm at work rn

[glad pilot]

np

[fair dragon]

Bro denied a date

[minor grove]

Get the chameleon damage to target out of cover, mask, holster, knees, gloves hb with crit chance and damage… focus on damage. Then use chest with glass cannon, (whatever good for ar I don’t remember the name) backpack get ceska with vigilance, I’m hitting for 2 mil plus headshots not max stats, and like 1mil to chest/body….. run the traction drone with sharpshooter.
Mods use damage, chameleons talent gives u plus 20 chance and a lot of damage bonus. By keeping enemies pulsed u build heartbreaker stats… that drone can be out for like 2 min with a short cooldown. Mods increase range and time.

[vestal ibex]

Giving a snap shot of the absolute top damage a build might do when needing 2 active buffs and to be doing 100% health damage to the head is just so misleading.

And OC drone from modifiers.

[urban latch]

this is not a good HB build....

[minor grove]

I have fun with it 🤷‍♂️

[vestal ibex]

Fun=/=good

[minor grove]

So what don’t have fun? Don’t use seasonal modifiers? Run only striker and st Elmo? Sounds fun

[vestal ibex]

Nice diversion from the subject at hand.

[minor grove]

Well u said nothing of value, other than not good. So what’s not good?

[urban latch]

run HB chest, its pretty key to HB. Tech with with laser sight

[minor grove]

Not missleading either. Showing what a build is capable of. I ran this a lot in countdown and had no problems hitting heads, pulsed enemies gave me max stats. So don’t run a pulse on a build that requires pulse to build stacks?

[strong veldt]

HB revolves around pulsed enemies. Using technician with the pulse mod on a high RPM weapon and the chest talent spotter would work better

[minor grove]

I was thinking that. As well. But haven’t tested it. Plan to

[strong veldt]

Spotter or HB chest?

What's chest do again? Doubles stacks right?

[minor grove]

50 to 100

Which would be good that’s 50% more Damage than glass canons whatever damage bonus 🤔

But is it consistent? Keeping stacks

[vestal ibex]

Ez to keep stacks.

[strong veldt]

Okay then yeah sounds better than spotter

[urban latch]

if you use the tech laser, yes its consistent. thats the whole point lol

[strong veldt]

Key to make using heartbreaker easy to use is the technician link laser pointer that you can you on police m4 or carbine 7

[vestal ibex]

Showing a snapshot of what a build could do when the average damage is gonna probably be about 40% lower most of the time is why we have people come in here and complain their build isn't hitting what they saw in a youtube vid.

[urban latch]

I get your using sharpshooter for the tac drone, but that thing is horribly inconsistent. Just use the tech laser and you get anther skill like shield. Also flatline on the gun

[strong veldt]

The tech laser guarantees stacks no matter where you shooting so it's best for HB especially on console where headshot seem to be hard for most ppl

[strong veldt]

With technician, he could use shield and artificer for the shield

[minor grove]

The only downside is u can’t put it on exotics, which chameleon is just fun rn. Over using st almost for a while. I do switch it up but rn for me that’s a fun build. I like the drone aspect as of rn. Link laser sounds fun to when I get bored of chameleon

Honey badger with flatline 🤣🤣 that sounds fun to though

[urban latch]

almost like chamelon isnt a good weapon for that build

[minor grove]

And I’ll still use it 🤣

[onyx sage]

you give advice, it can be improved and rightfully people do try to help with that, the worst thing to do is say "it works for me"

[urban latch]

"its fun" is a much more annoying response imo

"its fun" aka "stop judging based off objective merits"

[minor grove]

If it fits your play style what’s wrong with that? I think it’s great improvements and will I do them probably

[urban latch]

you are free to run whatever you like. If you start giving bad advice, people will chime in

[minor grove]

Rightfully so

It’s all excellent advise and better builds, however it is just fun to use over striker st Elmo. That’s all I’m getting at. The games 6 years old and running striker st Elmo for 4-6 months is boring.

[urban latch]

striekr elmo is FAR from the end all, be all lol

you are the only one bringing up striker

[minor grove]

Giving good advice is great, but there is merit to having fun. I actually really liked ur idea of chest and tach laser pointer. It will numerically do way more and I’m excited to try it. But I also just said hey here’s a fun build that’s doing better than striker.

[urban latch]

This started with you responding to "Any tips on improvement? Heartbreaker build."

[minor grove]

Just saying that this build and any other is more exciting to branch out and learn rather than just doing striker. One side doing as much dps is good and fun but on the other my limitations where striker

[urban latch]

what?

[minor grove]

What’s up with all the hostility. lol I just gave my idea of what I think would be an improvement idk what numbers he’s doing. I just have a fun build and shared it.

[urban latch]

☝️

[minor grove]

What of what?

[urban latch]

I have no idea what your trying to say there

[vestal ibex]

You gave less than ideal advice, people pointed that out, not sure why you are getting upset about that.

[onyx sage]

think of the new player who just wants to get something done. you would give them something that works. if they say they don't want something, that's when you give alternatives. you wouldn't give something suboptimal to start with

[minor grove]

Branching out from striker as a limitation to starting the game. A lot of people recommend it as the best dps. And branching out is much better, made the game boring. I like to learn what would improve and make it better.

[urban latch]

☝️

we're going in circles here

[minor grove]

Because u think im dying on a hill defending myself but im not i said multiple times now that i like the ideas on how to make this build even better than what i have

[minor grove]

Cuz u asked what I was saying.

[vestal ibex]

Idk seems like a big hill at this point.

[minor grove]

I guess so

[visual python]

What's a good overall skill build that I can put together with ease?

[gloomy arrow]

Murakami industries, Hana-U corporation are the two sets im using rn for my fresh 40 for skill builds. theres also alpts summit and a few other skill focused sets easy to start out with.

[urban latch]

check out eclipse, theres a guide in the pinned doc. One of the best skill builds in the game, couple main ways to set it up depending on what your doing. If by "skill build" you mean turret/drone, theres a guide for that as well in there

[minor grove]

@urban latch what do you think, keep backpack- swap chest for hb chest. And Coyotes for the mask? 🤔 or is there something better than vigilance.

[urban latch]

I think vigi is even better than normal on HB because the bonus armor protects vigi from going down. Coyotes is generally one of your best options for the second piece

[minor grove]

Ceska? Bp or another brand

[urban latch]

ceska

[minor grove]

Interested to try that. Also thinking of that flatline sounds fun to 🤔 isn’t perfect flatline on fal tho

[urban latch]

kingbreaker which isnt really worth it. M4/lexington is generally the best

[hexed steppe]

Flatline lex is pretty nice

Been running flatline lex and dark winter on Hb setups. Seems pretty good

[tulip shadow]

Any ouroborus builds?

[hexed steppe]

Fits a lot of dps setups. Striker /hunter fury /umbra

[vestal ibex]

Builds use guns not the other way around.

[hexed steppe]

Oreo on umbra with modifier rof active must be pretty insane rof

[tulip shadow]

Running 4 piece strikers with coyote mask and grupo sombra chest with obliterate

[vestal ibex]

Ceska>grupo in that setup.

[sacred path]

Iam the noobie one... but i used this long time, very good in a team and the dmg is also high... survivability... everybody who knows the refractor set know what iam meaning 🙂 Capacitator you can Farm in the Summit where you can also Farm the Refractor set. 🙂

[hexed steppe]

I'll counter with mortar skill build is best skill build.
Mortar Supremacy

[stable marten]

question I have seen some ppl running a status effect build with pesti. Is the effect from pesti finally treated as a status effect?

[hexed steppe]

No

Its affected by weapon damage types, amps

[stable marten]

hm wonder why ppl run so much SE with it then kinda weird

[bright raptor]

many cases of otherwise inexplicable player behavior are because a YouTuber told them to

[hexed steppe]

Sounds about right. There is a little traction with people running a triple tick od pesti build . Vile/pesti/bleed. Idk its validity so I can endorse or dispute. It just kinda is

[minor grove]

Just waiting for round 2 of lex, I didn’t “own” the game when I logged in after seeing the advertisement for it so I never got it 🙄

[bright raptor]

I use that but I don't pretend it's anything other than a gimmick build (also I rerolled everything to work with a "standard" post-buff OD build)

[hexed steppe]

Never tried it tbh, but od is sweet anyways, probably a fun setup

[vestal ibex]

Which is worse, status effect pesti or oxy?

Oh or explosive Rav?

[inner ibex]

Is this happening? 🤞

[vestal ibex]

No but yes.

[minor grove]

Right it was said it was being looked into 🙄

[wheat current]

status effect pesti is worse because the tick rely's on crit dmg and crit chance i think though iron lung works well with status effect

[onyx sage]

nah, the pesti tick relies on weapon damage + a few more things, but not crit

the reason the best pesti builds have crit is because you might as well, since the bullet damage portion still crits

[wheat current]

yeah i knew it relied on one of them lol but status effect is the worst option for it is all i was saying lol

[vestal ibex]

#td1-build-advice

[sullen sun]

Anybody got a PvP healer build?

[red island]

Normal healer is fine

[bright raptor]

No. End transmission.

[normal pawn]

thasts cursed

[onyx sage]

can you not

[fair compass]

LOL IDK

[urban latch]

This is what people mean when they say ninjabike is a trap

[normal pawn]

i thought me runnig bullet king on hb was bad

[fair compass]

“I have concepts of a plan”

I mean in general I was just wanting to run a good build for legendary strongholds that centers around rifles.

[bright raptor]

well asides from using the ACS for stack management on Strikers + rifle you can also use Negotiator's Dilemma with a rifle and enjoy the rifle crit damage bonuses to the damage spread

[fair compass]

I thought about coyote mask or fox’s prayer but idk what would be good since idk how the funny numbers work when it’s all added together.

[bright raptor]

of course this being negotiators' the enemies will instantly single you out

[fair compass]

I see. Honestly I have the basic striker and the skill builds, just wanted something that felt kinda fun to use for once

Don’t worry I can salvage the build trust o7

[urban latch]

#td2-build-advice message

[fair compass]

Especially with everyone’s helpful advice, easy fix.

[magic pilot]

What he said

[urban latch]

If you specifically want a rifle build, the high end setup is still your best bet. Or go with a determined HH 1886 build

[fair compass]

When you say high end, what would be some of the better options for gear be?

[urban latch]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/0d1135cf-139c-394e-53f6-02c1b8b4cea9/2e477c029e8333d52b55d2d99eec4808

[onyx sage]

one other question is would you want to build it as crit or headshot too

in legendary you can manage both, only very rarely is headshot locked out

[fair compass]

Ooo thank you!

[fair compass]

Honestly not entirely sure, was wanting to run a rifle with a high mag size to utilize the focus talent, however idk if that’s worth investing in or not.

[urban latch]

focus is very strong, its just a matter of playing around it which can be difficult sometimes

[onyx sage]

if headshot then you want headhunter

i am focus main, AMA

💀

i really hate it after playing it for 2+ years in legendary

[fair compass]

Ah, so I guess I would go for a rifle build that would center around crit. My biggest concern is survivability, especially for solo play.

Sorry for any dumb questions or stuff, I’m still very new to end-game PvP content

[onyx sage]

if for survivability, focus got nerfed specifically in this regard, since you used to be able to shield peek without taking damage

now, they nerfed first person view with shield so that you can no longer hide your hitbox behind left corners anymore

[fair compass]

Aaah that makes sense, I honestly wanted to use something that isn’t the ballistic shield since most PvE builds I have use it

Though if it’s a must have if I’m not wanting to run the drone/turret skill builds, then oh well

[onyx sage]

if you want to peek safely in legendary, i wouldn't use first person view at all, so focus is out of the picture

sadly if you want a rifle crit build then glass cannon is really the optimal choice, you can try to get obliterate to work but you're not stacking that fast enough

[fair compass]

That is a good point, and yea glass canon would probably not go well for me. ;;

[onyx sage]

you can make it work though if you put in the time

there are ways to peek safely in third person view, both by getting in cover and staying away from it

[fair compass]

That’s good to hear! Honestly I’m just wanting to find a gun-play build that can work at that level of content that isn’t just striker, I just wanted to try rifles after the full-auto buff

[onyx sage]

headhunter and striker are really the 2 meta ways rn to do legendary

everything else can work but is just a bit slower

[normal pawn]

server down
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[onyx sage]

nothing's stopping you though

[fair compass]

That’s fair, I really do appreciate the advice n stuff, I’ll look at the link that one person posted and see what I can do. Thank you agents ^^

[onyx sage]

raucey's a goat. I'm just an average player

[fair compass]

Well the input is still appreciated, any bit I can learn I’ll gladly take

[thorny kernel]

Got Bullet King, now i want to make a build for it to mess around with. Any recommendations?

[hazy steeple]

BK got buffed a while back, it's kinda just a good all-rounder right now.
Personal suggestion if you want a dumb but fun setup: Striker. You are going to struggle with crit stats, but it's not too complicated to get it up to snuff.

[polar rose]

Can anyone help with a chatterbox build?

[tulip charm]

You got to be more specific what do you want it to do

Unless you just slap it on a hunters fury build and call it a day

[subtle bluff]

My issue with the Chatterbox build is the playstyle you need to do for it. But easiest build to run with it is HF.

[subtle bluff]

The issues at the top end with BK is that it's RPM got nerfed but it got a buff everywhere else. That RPM makes it really hard to get to max stacks quickly.

[polar rose]

Like a damage build

[fair compass]

Question? would exodus gloves work for legendary content? I know if you exit combat you can regen your armor so idk how practical it would be.

[red island]

you arent out of combat when the talent is triggered

[onyx sage]

it does

i have some videos on my channel demonstrating its use in real runs

[fair compass]

Oh fr? I’ll def check it out then :0

[cerulean smelt]

nods i remember reading it on PTS and thinking it's worthless for PVE and PVP because the AI seems to know where you are at all times anyways, and players would just continuing firing in that area
then saw some videos and was like wait waht?!

[onyx sage]

not really. you are out of combat during the seconds it procs

it's a really strong buff to your survivability

[cerulean smelt]

yeah after i've seen videos of it actually working i realize that

[hazy steeple]

Not really.

Mostly because: you don't use the main gun to build stacks on a Striker build. Unless it's like a Vector or something.

Also, bpm is a weird way of putting it. Fire-rate is plenty short enough.The other one makes me think of that weird gun rhythm game.

[subtle bluff]

Anything under 850rpm is gonna be slow to build stacks well.

Not saying you can't build stacks just takes longer.

[hazy steeple]

Yes, that's why you use an acs, or whatever shotgun is the meta these days.

I think I heard someone say six12 recently.

[vestal ibex]

Fell from the light when it got huge nerfs

[hazy steeple]

Well, you aren't using it for damage. How's it for stacking?

[shy willow]

The reload speed is substantially slower now

iirc the sasg better

[subtle bluff]

If you can close enough yes ACS12 is the best way to build stacks but not all situations allow you to do that safely. So why I say BK isn't that great overall.
It is a fun gun to use but overall something with more RPM allows you to do more DPS overall safely.

[hazy steeple]

That still doesn't factor in that you shouldn't be using the primary for stacking, unless its a blahblahblah repeat.

[urban latch]

It's 850 though right? BK is fine on striker. Not amazing, but it's fine.

[red island]

i like bk

fun go brrr

[subtle bluff]

Bleh. Yea it is I thought it was like 800. Feel bad still vs what it use to be. Meh.

[urban latch]

still even at 800 thats fine. Its not like 850 is some magic number you need

[hexed steppe]

i dont shotgun stack with striker or hb. all primary ar stacking elmo/lex perfectly fine not using any shotgun

[subtle bluff]

It's all situational basically. I mean in Leggo striker I don't use any stack building.

[hexed steppe]

especially with this seasons modifier and rof increase

[urban latch]

stacking with acs is pretty key with the striker chest, but if your running obliterate then its not as important, but that makes your main weapons rpm more important

[subtle bluff]

I'm probably thinking of HB since it's doesn't get a rof buff..

[cloud raptor]

Can you still get the Lexington

[solar sable]

no

[cloud raptor]

Dang when could you get it

Rip

[solar sable]

it was a reward for those who played before December 2024

answered incorrectly before, srry

[karmic osprey]

i somehow got 2 of them

[solar sable]

They had to give a second lexi because not all players got the first round, so that's why.

[shy willow]

Some guy had 4 for whatever reason

Some people got pretty lucky

[solar sable]

i got 6

L

[shy willow]

[cloud raptor]

Dang I played since then just didn’t have it installed

[hazy steeple]

It's being brought back at some point, we don't have any more info than that though.

[willow hinge]

According to the Wiki it's just a reskinned Police M4

[tulip charm]

Reskin skinned m4 with better base damage

[hazy steeple]

It should be noted: incredibly minor better base damage.

[echo fox]

Only reason I'm using KB its max rolled and it dropped like that. So unless I get an m4 maxed rolled I'll stick with this till then

Why use m4 or g36 over the KB?

Just curious

[floral jacinth]

prob the Rate of Fire

[shy willow]

Much better handling and stacks faster

[echo fox]

Doesn't the kcs 12 do all the stacking? Or you talking about keeping max stacks?

[subtle bluff]

Both and or unable to run and use ACS12 and on top just more DPS.

[shy willow]

Acs is only really crucial if you're running the chest

[silent solar]

the wiki is funny to me because the wiki claims that the St elmo’s is a LVOA-C exotic but iirc the patch notes state its a Police M4

also build advice for seeker mines (im tryna do journey)

[graceful socket]

does first blood for mmr work in conflict?

[shy willow]

Its modelled off an LVOA but functionally it's a police M4

Same as lex

[willow hinge]

Trying to make people feel better, I actually got three of them.

[stiff jasper]

first blood disabled in pvp

[plain crystal]

Yay or ney? anything i can improve?

[red island]

ceska chest rather than fenris but otherwise looks good

[fresh fox]

catharsis is whatever

coyotes would be a lot better for damage

[hard turret]

hi guys

hows this

[red island]

whats the goal ?

[hard turret]

dps

[red island]

check pinned message for dps builds on spreadsheet to optimize

[rich lotus]

What’s the best go to build these days? Currently looking to replace my striker build and looking for the equivalent to it

[red island]

nothing is equivalent to striker, there are other dps builds but single target nothing can compare

check pinned message for spreadsheet with builds

[elder dome]

What is a good attributes for the eagle bearer

[red island]

dttooc

[elder dome]

Thank you I just got it from the raid finally

[trim wedge]

Does wicked work with pesti?

[red island]

no

its not a status effect its a dot

[vestal ibex]

Pesti is not a status effect.

[trim wedge]

Figured but ya never know with this game

Wanna switch my lengmo iron lung to lengmo pesti but with a wicked bag, won’t work very well for DZ thanks agents

[hexed steppe]

Use vigilance. Itll boost pesti damage and the ticks from debuff

[trim wedge]

That’s what I was gonna resort to, that or companion

[hexed steppe]

Nice

[trim wedge]

There’s a new healer headshot build surfacing and it’s annoying asf to fight. Gotta run a tier 4 jammer in the group for just the healer

[red island]

what build ?

[trim wedge]

Regular headshot regen but repair skills rolled on every piece with headshot

Fought like 3 ppl yesterday using it, can’t even out dmg them with an all red glass

[red island]

that doesnt sound right

can you link or screen ?

[trim wedge]

Unless they were clumsy it slaps

I didn’t screenshot it, it’s exactly as I just explained it’s 3pc Gila, named murakami knees, catharsis with incoming repairs mod, perf efficient belstone chest every piece is 20 repair skills with 10 headshot and a blue core

[glad pilot]

Does refactor benefit from skill repair (self?) in any way? Or excusively skill dmg

[red island]

that doesnt sound like a good build for damage

or for heal

[trim wedge]

Wait til you encounter it

[red island]

i dont do pvp

so i wont

[trim wedge]

Oh well that explains lol

Only way to counter it is to run a jammer hybrid

[red island]

how ?

if they have 0 skill tier they shouldnt heal

even with many skill repair stats

[trim wedge]

All the incoming repairs still heal them and my bad it’s 2 skill tier 1 yellow core and technician

[red island]

i mean, if they have 2 skill tier, thats not a lot of repair still

incoming repairs dont make you heal for that much

[trim wedge]

It’s enough to kill you

If I encounter it again I’ll clip it, I had umbra iron lung and got out damaged

[red island]

iron + umbra isnt that much damage

[trim wedge]

Lmao

60 chc 286 chd ain’t a lot?

[rich lotus]

Basically I’m looking for something I can use to solo heroic

[trim wedge]

Heartbreaker

[glad pilot]

Determined headhunter look no further lmao

[red island]

yeah its good but you could just oneshot them with a normal hs build

[red island]

striker, heartbreaker, any red dps tbh

[trim wedge]

You can’t 1 shot anyone in the dz ?

Unless you run all red nemesis

[red island]

you can, i get os regularly

with 3/4 blue cores

[trim wedge]

By what?

[rich lotus]

Cheers guys

[red island]

snipers mostly

[trim wedge]

Nemesis spotter ?

[red island]

no

[trim wedge]

No clue what you’re fighting then

[urban latch]

you dont need nemesis

[red island]

it was a full headshot build with a sniper, idk which one

[trim wedge]

Probably a switcher

[urban latch]

you'll see it less often on console, but on PC theres plently of sniper PGC builds

[red island]

switcher ?

[trim wedge]

Cause you ain’t hitting headshots with a sniper on someone strafing

[red island]

what are you talking about

hitting headshot isnt hard

[trim wedge]

Lag switcher

In the dz, headshots are super hard

[red island]

on console maybe

not on pc

[trim wedge]

Pc has better movement than us

[red island]

i hit headshot fairly regularly

no we dont have better movement ?

its been nerfed since div 1

you cant 180° anymore

[trim wedge]

you don’t play the dz, so how can you know ?

[red island]

i do play in dz

i dont do pvp, thats not the same

[trim wedge]

Any pvper will tell you pc movement outplays ps anyway

[red island]

any pvper that says its impossible to headshot is just deluded

its like saying its impossible to headshot in any gun game

if that was the case, snipers would be unplayable + headshot builds wouldnt exist

i dont do pvp, but sometimes pvp do me, and i can see how good thoses can be

[charred lily]

is there an assault rifle thats deemed "best" for striker with ceska obliterate and coyote using full CHC/CHD attributes? i have st. elmo and backfire for exotics but thats about it

wondering what will give me the most damage output possible

[hexed steppe]

Any with high rof, personal preference

[charred lily]

is the only way to use backfire slapping hazpro % on even with striker? i like the talent it has

[hexed steppe]

Police m4, lexington, famas

If you want to cancel bleed. Its usable without haz, but you'll need to be able to sustain the bleed until you get full stacks

After full stacks you dont bleed until you lose them

But I still think it's just not great. I rank it there with chameleon since you're left chasing stacks with either

[urban latch]

Id really reccomend not using haz pro with the backfire. Just keep the stacks active during combat and you'll pretty quickly stop getting the bleed effect

depending on the situation, the backfire is one of the strongest guns in the game right now

[hexed steppe]

At full stacks*

[urban latch]

The downside is its good in longer fights, so quick/small fights not so much

[hexed steppe]

There is a lot of time out of combat. That's what I mean by chasing stacks. General use it isnt great

[urban latch]

"depending on the situation"

[hexed steppe]

Specific scenarios I'll grant its better

But if its niche enough where you need non stop enemies, then for most use it's not gonna have that condition

Probably good for kenly farming

[hazy steeple]

You leave my baby out of that evil.

[hexed steppe]

Backfire goes running to MaMa

[hazy steeple]

It's okay barbwire gun, some of us always loved you.

[charred lily]

are the weapons really that balanced that there's like no "best" is out there?

if so honestly thats cool ngl i didnt expect that considerong how most rpgs are

however now i will be indecisive about what weapon to farm for lol.. maybe ill stick with my elmos idk

[onyx sage]

there's also no "best" builds either, in general

[charred lily]

trying to hit 60/150 CHC/CHD is so difficult :(

idk what combo of attributes i should be doing to hit that

is it cause im not max shd watch

[hazy steeple]

If it's a gear set build, don't worry about reaching the full 150.

[charred lily]

ya im on this right now

is this okay for a first build

[hazy steeple]

Anything over 100 is fine tbh
More is always better of course, but that'll come with time.

[gentle lichen]

Great starter. Elmo could be replaced later on but you shouldn't worry about it rn

Actually goated considering this is sub 100shd

[charred lily]

yeah the recalibration library helped aton

i just made what i could to have two options of striker gear in each slot

one with high chd and high chc so i can swap out based on what i need

i can't tell if my coyote or ceska is holding me back though

or my actual gear mods

granted not all gear is maxed but idk how much that adds up to high CHD

[gentle lichen]

Your only worry about this build is just maxing stats imo

[charred lily]

alright just making sure,

do u guys have any advice on a second pve build?

i was thinking hotshot or maybe a tank build to support others

but not sure

[gentle lichen]

Something along the lines of hotshot/determined could make farming really fast but it's quite boring

[gentle lichen]

Tanks don't exactly support other than bonus armor which isn't really a requirement

You could make an FI healer build as a support though which will help immensely

[charred lily]

hm, ill look into that then thank u

also is it best to just keep top 3 gear mods in every category?

like have 3 of my best crit dmg mods, scrap the rest

and then 3 of my best crit chance mods, scrap the rest, etc

[gentle lichen]

Something like this but it's totally fine to replace the bag with an alps bag with opportunistic because it's easier to farm

[gentle lichen]

Not sure pve wise but usually it's the case unless you use improvised pieces that have an extra mod slot (not always the best option) or chill out mask (also not the best option)

[charred lily]

what resource do u get this from btw

is it the spreadsheet in the pins?