td2-build-advice

[rich lotus]

Can you dm me the pics of them and is it a good PvP like dz weapon

[uncut haven]

Any thoughts on this build?
Main idea being the increased handling and optimal range, with some survivability from perfect entrenched

[peak rover]

GOT LADY DEATHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

[urban latch]

Entrench is one of those talents no one really uses. And instead of focusing into handling stats your better off just using a weapon that has good handling to begin with, then focusing your gear into more damage.

[peak rover]

Lesssgooooo

[urban latch]

Now just get a solid build put together for it, either hunters fury or strikers (not both)

[red island]

you def shouldnt use this build

[peak rover]

So i need updated build like great build for SMG

[rich lotus]

Anyone got a build for dz PvP for eagle bearer?

[peak rover]

Okay I got Heartbreak Kness Pad and Savanna Field Gloves and Returning with Escorter Combat Harness

I putting striker just for My backup AR to not get killed

[red island]

check pinned message for link to spreadsheet with builds

[honest moss]

So i'll suggest a few things but honestly 4x striker (bag) ceska/fenris chest w unbreakable or obliterate (unbreak for extra survival, obliterate for damage) and then either a coyottes or catharsis. Basic pvp setup really. All rolled blue except obviously the coyottes if you use that. Hope it helps.

Otherwise there is the standard "meta" pvp build. Catharsis, unbreakable, companion/vigilance. Usually its fox's prayers, contractors, two piece walker and harris and then ceska/fenris. Ceska is probably the better option for the extra CHC. Oh and everything on CHC/CHD. Aim for 50%(at least) chc. Rest into chd.

Ideally like 55% or 60% chc but above 50% will be fine.

Another valid talent is the efficient chest. The perfect one is really good for pvp. Especially if you run firewall. Lots of extra tankyness.

[vestal ibex]

Ceska>fenris this is just free damage suggestion at this point.

I know you mention it but it's better to just farm that vs even mention fen.

[honest moss]

I just like to add fenris since getting the double crit unbreakable/obliterate for a blue core can be harder. I got mine randomly but i agree if you are farming it just go ceska

[vestal ibex]

I feel like there should be a unicorn guide with a list of items that one should collect and keep if they see it.

[honest moss]

Ooh that would be useful. Know i have thrown out some pieces i regret lol

[red island]

people wont read it before getting one

[vestal ibex]

Hey tons of people read and will keep up spreadsheets/guides along side the game.

[urban latch]

Be the change you want to see in this world

[vestal ibex]

I just gotta bug you to do these things and we might see them within a year.

[tepid trout]

Rare pieces to look out for

1. Habsburg bag with hs, handling and vig
2. Fenris chest with double crit and unbreakable
3. Matador with double crit
4. Skill dmg + status effect courier or status and skill haste courier
5. Repair skills + skill haste setup
6. Groupo pieces with skill haste and skill dmg
7. double crit setup
8. Skill dmg and haste sacrifice

What else

[urban latch]

Skill damage/status and status/haste perfect creeping death

Repair/haste setup

Haste/skill damage grupo

[sullen sun]

Does anyone have an updated Seeker build?

[magic pilot]

Chc/chd setup

[magic pilot]

PGC/china 4 piece hardwire

[urban latch]

Skill damage/haste pgc as well

[tepid trout]

I'll keep updating

[urban latch]

That comment works for both conversations lol

[magic pilot]

lol

Isn't it specific slots you want the grupo pieces for mortar?

Maybe a Hermano as well?

Also instead of fenris chest I would put ceska/grupo

[hexed steppe]

Can be any but gloves. Contractors bis for standard mortar. Bag/chest iffy since named items bis. Strategic/force multiplier/sacrifice

[magic pilot]

So mask, knees or holster?

[edgy plank]

coyotes mask ... jeffferson plaza or countdown?

[honest moss]

Probably countdown since you can also buy caches

[hexed steppe]

Yeah , if you have a unicorn grupo chest or bag it would still be good damage

[honest moss]

What goes on a mortar/explosives build? Like 2 group, 1 china, waveform? What else?

[magic pilot]

Optimal build is 2 grupo, China, PGC, Wyvern and contractors

@hexed steppe does DTA apply to seekers?

[subtle bluff]

Why I think The Mop is great with in-sync on the build.

[honest moss]

Ty ty! I pieced together what i have. Got 2 grupo, contractors, waveform, strategic alignment and a wyvern chest with GC for now. Might try for the sacrifice since i need another version of it too.

[vestal ibex]

Should work well enough.

Make sure to have demo spec too.

lol just realized this is a "mortar build"

[honest moss]

Mm ofcourse, thank you.

[vestal ibex]

Also you might wanna test out destroying mortar vs picking it up all the time cause I think the cool down is so short you can have it back while running to the next area. Can be content dependent but it'll keep you moving thru content a bit faster.

[magic pilot]

I run survivalist for my mortar build

[vestal ibex]

How mortar turret den?

[honest moss]

Okay thanks, good tip!

[magic pilot]

Strikers

[upper terrace]

Hi! Returning to Div 2 after a while. Looked on YouTube but seemed like every Creator has a different build for solo pve content. Any that you particularly recommend?

[bright raptor]

none, use the pinned spreadsheet

[versed summit]

A lot of them are really clickbaity, but iKia has some very good videos.

[bright raptor]

OK maybe not none, iKia and Raucey (who is also here a bunch and contributes to the spreadsheet) actually put good work in and their recommendations are worth paying attention to

[honest moss]

Honestly playstyle depends too. But hotshot determined clears most things. Strikers is great. Refactor is fun. Almost anything memento works good solo.

[versed summit]

I mean anything works solo

[upper terrace]

Yeah those videos felt clickbaity which is why I opted to ask here for builds lol I'll check the spreadsheet!

[rich lotus]

I just got the eagle bearer need a dz build for it for PvP dz anyone got a good build all the YouTube videos are like year old

[hexed steppe]

Any explosives, fire, oxi afaik

[hexed steppe]

God mode activated

[magic pilot]

It's not very strong atm

[mint axle]

Just slap some assault rifle and hsd attributes build. Despite being way weaker than bighorn, the principle remains the same. Because without tenacity, the eagle bearer is just an ordinary assault rifle.

Tbh, forget the EB and just use the bighorn

[pearl ibex]

Hi I'm trying to build a hybrid build does anyone know a good way to get the ninjabike backpack, refractor mask, chest, and kneepads, and hanna-u gloves and holster

[honest moss]

Probably countdown. Just set the targeted loot to what you are hunting. For the ninja bike you should do bags but for the rest do the brand/gearset.

Oh and spend the countdown currency on exotic caches for extra chance at ninja bike.

And if you are unsure on countdown just run challenging and you will likely be carried anyway but basically just stick with the group. Goodluck!

[pearl ibex]

Thank you

[honest moss]

o7

[solar sable]

hybrid build doesn't mean nbb

[hazy steeple]

It does if you're going off a YT guide.

[solar sable]

kvd type shi

[hazy steeple]

Just so this is helpful and not solely petty: you can make a better "hybrid" build without using NBB at all, and one that'll carry in Heroic+ too.

[upper terrace]

This still an OK build to run for solo content? It's slightly different than what was in the spreadsheet. I definitely have some min/maxing to do however

[violet juniper]

So this is my partners account, and they asked me to do their build for them. I decided to go with a basic striker build for now, this is is the best gear I've got them, anything to change?

still working on optimising and unlocking attributes, so it's as high damage as i could get

The only reason I'm using bullet king is because they like it

Do you define sorting their gear to be playing on their account?

[hazy steeple]

I define it being a hard rule in most online games, I'm just giving you some friendly advice.

As for the BK; it's fine these days, it was buffed

[sullen sun]

The striker variant with coyotes and grupo, do you use chd mods in that?

[violet juniper]

fixed!

[violet juniper]

Use whatever mods you need to shore up your deficiencies

If you're low on CHC, use CHC mods

Likewise for CHD

[sullen sun]

I’ve heard of ppl going all chd?

Despite their chc

[violet juniper]

don't exactly copycat someones build

[sullen sun]

I’m not

[violet juniper]

only you know the weaknesses and strengths of your build, and you have the luxury of altering the build to your needs

you want to ideally hit 50% CHC

[solar sable]

when you hit a % as close to 60% as possible, then CHD is your go-to

[hazy steeple]

Well actually, we can work all this stuff out via maths.
It's not really a case of it being down to personal opinion.

[violet juniper]

50%, Coyote buff accounts for 10% minimum CHC

[hazy steeple]

W/Coyotes, once the build is all worked out perfectly, you want closer to 50-55, rather than exactly or just below 50.
Since you won't always be in the ideal range.

Plus, you get 10% CHC, and 20% CHD free from your SHD Watch.

[sullen sun]

Thank you

Is the good times worth using?

I forget the talent

[violet juniper]

Perfect fast hands?

it's alright

[dreamy valve]

Man, feels good to have max status resistances

It’s pretty underrated since you can still do good damage

Not having to worry about getting CC’d or skill disables is a game changer

[hazy steeple]

The Backfire is calling you.

[dreamy valve]

It has

And the echo is so lovely

Whispers without bleeding my ears out

[hazy steeple]

I am so very glad my other baby finally got the buff it deserved.

both in one patch makes me slightly suspicious, but I'll take it!

[dreamy valve]

The damage ramp feels very good now, combined with max Memento stacks and max Momentum from modifiers

[magic pilot]

Backfire is pretty goated

[dreamy valve]

I’m still critting 1 million per shot at 4 blue cores and 100% hazpro

[magic pilot]

Striker?

[dreamy valve]

All High end brands

I think it’s because of the season modifiers

[red island]

i made a build back then with 100% haz pro

its pretty strong but its hard to keep stacks

[dreamy valve]

It’s faster to build stacks now

Being able to use my shield and foam chem in any situation also helps build stacks without downtime of taking cover or getting CC’d

The foam chem is very useful for the frenzied enemies too

Keeps them in place while you build the stacks

[red island]

yeah you build stacks faster, but still lose them at the same speed

[tall pike]

How can i improve this build

[red island]

not use ninja bag

[tall pike]

Ok

[shadow pendant]

Hi , whybi cant recslibrate this chest talent?

[dreamy valve]

My kill count says otherwise

[cerulean smelt]

because it's a perfect skill which either increases something in it or makes it last longer or have a shorter cool down

[onyx sage]

as said above

[tall pike]

What else should i take out or put on

[red island]

hf bag + another hf piece for the set imo

[shadow pendant]

Oh ok thanks

[tall pike]

K

[red island]

or better yet, check pinned message for spreadsheet with builds

[warm knot]

Drop ninja,
get 3 HF rolled wth blue core and
crit damage
1 hf rolled with crit damage and red
Memento
Ceska/sokolov chest with intimidate

[red island]

memento is a good idea

[bold leaf]

Better still, drop ninja and then deconstruct it

[cerulean smelt]

i'd even suggest putting the exodus over memento for it (> <)

[warm knot]

[red island]

thats the best advice right here

[warm knot]

Hf bag is useless, I'd go with ceska/grupo bag with vigi/adrenaline/bloodsucker if not memento

[sullen sun]

Just saw a video where the guy said don’t use optimist on an AR..he said it’s overrated lol

[red island]

yeah, i dont use hf so i dont know what works best, i just know nbb is bad

[valid fjord]

is shocker punch / st elmo still viable in pvp or did the meta change ?

[sullen sun]

That’s literally what I use w striker

[sullen sun]

It’s very situational

[red island]

its hard to proc tbh, and most people have resistances

[valid fjord]

i see, i saw that eb got better

imma go with that then i think

[valid fjord]

i see ty

[bold leaf]

There's a small difference between, say, optimist, strained etc. Not worth being concerned about it

[sullen sun]

Can’t go wrong with ED..I mean EB

[valid fjord]

alright thx

[wheat current]

so ninja is bad?

[warm knot]

Yes

[wheat current]

so replace my ninja with memento?

[warm knot]

For HF, yes.

[wheat current]

using HZprot

and HSD

[warm knot]

For what content?

[wheat current]

Mmm pvp

ill just use a striker build for pve lol

[warm knot]

If pvp then Idk. I heard NB has some uses in pvp, but its useless in pve.

[subtle bluff]

NBB is used in PvP

[warm knot]

Striker bag is better for pve

[wheat current]

yeah i am thinking of the HB build for pve maybe

[subtle bluff]

the issue with the builds atm KB Regen out proforms it by a good amount

[wheat current]

yeah ill have that and carth? or just the full striker build with different chest and gloves maybe

[warm knot]

I use the obliterate version.
Ceska chest w/ obliterate
Coyotes
4 pc striker

The 200 stacks one goes as
Coyotes
Ceska off piece
4 pc striker

[wheat current]

which one is coyotes?

[bold leaf]

Always comes back to striker doesn't it xD

[warm knot]

A mask, exotic one.

You can use a grupo sombra piece if you dont have that

[urban latch]

Not really

[wheat current]

oh okay so not carth for little healing go for coyotes and ceska chest with obliterate 🫡

i got coyotes was first one i got lol but how would a HB build go with bighorn in pve?

[warm knot]

Gunner gives you 10% of armor on kill, but honestly I only use striker for legendary content.

[bold leaf]

It has certainly become the default easy mode build though

[wheat current]

yeah i only farm countdown herioc so HB would be good for it aye?

[onyx sage]

it definitely is the easiest, but there are some situations where striker is discouraged if not outright rendered useless

[urban latch]

Determined headhunter is the real easy mode

[warm knot]

Not sure. I've never tried those.

[onyx sage]

i hate that this exists

[wheat current]

headhunter?

[warm knot]

At least not together

[onyx sage]

determined

[red island]

determined is fine, hh isnt

its too powerful even without determined

[urban latch]

Imagine when the average player finally realizes how strong it is and everyone starts using it

[wheat current]

so coyotes and HB be good?

[bold leaf]

I've been trying to figure out when striker is good and high end is better and my god I wish I'd paid attention in maths class

[onyx sage]

i swear on my grave that i will never upload a video with determined

[wheat current]

what is determined?

[onyx sage]

grit, dedication, steadfastness, etc.

[red island]

its the core of undertale

[warm knot]

Check the pinned spreadsheet, you can get more info on that. I can't help you with HB.

[wheat current]

thank you and some of the links in it is expired why i am here lol

[warm knot]

Better for you don't know. Stay pure my friend 🥲

[warm knot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FaDDfFIqOgdTfceG2ByFvmgStZ6K7whC-7LdND6WXL0/edit?usp=drivesdk

There's a build section there.

[wheat current]

i only see the calculator with that

[warm knot]

Basically headhunter and determined are used in sniper builds to 1 shot almost everything on heroic/legendary.

HH stacks head shot damage
Determined grants a headshot damage if you kill an npc with a hs. Thing is determined triggers itself, so every shot you hit will be considered a hs.

[warm knot]

Oh my bad, try this one
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/htmlview#

[wheat current]

ah okay i see thank you 😮 so that be good with pve bighorn?

[onyx sage]

no, you don't use bighorn with hh

i mean you can, but there are better options

[wheat current]

ah okay lol

honestly though i am enjoying the bighorn atm idk what else to use atm

[warm knot]

What about a high end rifle build?

[red island]

any good sniper

[wheat current]

yeah i am new so idk which one is good only been playing couple weeks

[onyx sage]

that's fine, you can ask

[wheat current]

so this lexington i never got it though any good replacements for it ?

[versed summit]

police m4, famas, p416, ctar, f2000

[cerulean smelt]

apparently there'll be another chance of them getting released again, as for the specifics we weren't told aside "we may let people get the lexington in the future" or something of that nature

[wheat current]

Oooo that be exciting 😄

[tall pike]

Pve or pvp

[warm knot]

HF is a pve build

[cerulean smelt]

pvp would be mostly "6 armor cores and other things" kind of thing i think/

[hexed steppe]

Ofc not, dont need determined when you got aimbot

[red island]

natural or added to your computer ?

i like my aimbot narutal, like my tea

[tall pike]

What type of bookbag

[hexed steppe]

Paw patrol , either chase or Marshall

[wheat current]

is banshee pulse any good to use in pve?

[hexed steppe]

Yes, really good @ tier 0 on dps

If you have microwave coils it has a chance to burner since its pulse and disrupt

[wheat current]

is it good with eclipse? build

with creeping death?

[hexed steppe]

Its decent on a crowd control with foam

[wheat current]

mmm thank you ill probably use iron lung with it lol

[hexed steppe]

If you are running the modifiers you'll be able to overcharge it with momentum

It has rediculous range when oc is active 💯

[wheat current]

yeah i have CM active

what about this?

[red island]

its a good start for a cc build, but pulse need to be banshee, or use foam launcher

pule isnt a status effect

[wheat current]

yeah i dont have banshee unlocked yet but thats what imma go for

[red island]

you'll get there, but tbh you should use foam launcher, its great in this situation

[wheat current]

is the iron lung good choice to use or should i go for st elmo's?

[red island]

you should use scorpio

[wheat current]

i dont really like scorio lol shoots so slowly

[red island]

yeah, but its way more reliable

and has multiple status effect

[wheat current]

Ooo i see nvm

[honest moss]

If you run creeping death st elmos is great just save the shock ammo and use it sparingly. Like a tazer

Scorpio always going to be better though. Specially if you swap creeping death for the setup

[red island]

i mean you can do that, but the shock duration is pretty short

[wheat current]

should i use the pyromaniac as my secondary?

[red island]

your guns wont do damage if you have a skill build

also you need skill tier 6, you need to change your bagpack core stat

[wheat current]

yeah i have a skill build with status effect on most of my pieces with crit dmg and crit chance

[wheat current]

can i change my backpack armor to skill tier?

[red island]

dont use crit, use only status effect

[wheat current]

or should i use a china?

[red island]

if you didnt change anything else yes

[honest moss]

If you are doing it purely for CC i'd drop the vile too but that is down to you.

[wheat current]

nah i am doing it for status effect honestly

like a burning plague spread

[honest moss]

Ah gotcha. Probably want a more fire inclined eclipse then.

[wheat current]

but imma use scorpio

[red island]

foam is better than burn imo, enemy dont move at all

[honest moss]

Use both, foam chem and the burn seeker work great together.

[wheat current]

very true but also trying to see if i can make a status effect hunter type of build lol

[honest moss]

Airburst has the longest burn duration too iirc

[red island]

imo fire sticky is better cause its easier to use/more precise

but anything you want to use is fine as long as it has status effect

[versed summit]

Y’all making some weird builds over here

[red island]

cc build is standard, its in spreadsheet even

[honest moss]

If you can't reroll the bag you could get a electrique one instead since perfect creeping death is better but normal works fine too

Or run technician if you are letting go of the pulse

I run eclipse all the time. Makes countdown really nice

[red island]

its better to run crossbow iirc

for the added bonus on status effect

[honest moss]

Yeah survivalist is usually the go to

[red island]

also gives fire nades

[honest moss]

Also has fire nades. Pretty nice for a free effect

Lol!

[wheat current]

sounds good i think i can reroll the it just need the skill tier

[honest moss]

Goodluck agent o7

[hexed steppe]

I would use an eletrique or hanna u mask over vile. But should be more than capable of doing cc.
Run foam instead of traps

If you decide to focus fire make sure to save a loadout with eclipse bag. 30% amp is really strong on fire setups

[wheat current]

for my weapons i was gonna use scorpio and pyromaniac

and banshee pulse with foam or shock traps either or but i was lookat the the thing says glass cannon perk is a go to for chest talent for higher ticks

[hexed steppe]

Also, I have to add my obligatory cc advice.
Scorpio and opportunistic pair really well on eclipse cc for team support. Way better than creeping when whole team gets another amp

[hexed steppe]

High ticks low spead

[wheat current]

yeah was just looking to do area effect dmg honestly but ill look at getting opportunistic sounds like a fun build 😄

[hexed steppe]

If you go fire, use capacitor. The 60% skill damage is goated on a fire setup

[wheat current]

i dont have capacitor sadly

best thing i have atm is the iron lung

[hexed steppe]

Opp version is all I use in countdown. I have a guide on the sheet for hazpro cc. Can be all haste and status rolls for normal use tho

[hexed steppe]

It's worth farming and actually really easy to unlock. 5 summit challenges and it's a guaranteed drop

[wheat current]

is it good for pvp as well? since i see alot people using status effect atm but i do wanna status effect one with hazpro at 100%

[magic pilot]

capacitor is by far the best AR for pvp outside of bighorn

[wheat current]

also for the Opp i have the talent in my library i just need the ciramics to change my china into it

[hexed steppe]

I cant endorse it for pvp. It could work but pvp is a different focus and there are much better pvp guys for advice

[magic pilot]

eclipse not good in pvp though

[wheat current]

Mmm okay thank you but for pve ill do your build and tune up my gearset i just need the materials atm lol

[magic pilot]

mortar or umbra hybrids with sticky bomb are the main skill builds youll see

[wheat current]

what i see atm in pvp so far is alot of iron lungs and pestilence i do have a build with 90% hazpro though so i hope that works out lol

[wheat current]

thank you for your help as well ill do what you suggested but ill probably switch between scorpio and iron lung see what i prefer

[hexed steppe]

Sounds like a plan 🍻

[rich lotus]

What’s everyone running to do the dz with to fight against rogues players like build and weapons

[wheat current]

hey bud i got a question 3 piece china and 2 piece eclipse has a really good status effect is that good for the ticks as well i am almost doing 100k now

[compact atlas]

What would be Good for PVP

[subtle bluff]

4pc EP is pretty hard to beat.

[grizzled cloak]

Could someone help me get some cool exotics? I only have 2 and I'm also trying to work on my stats

[subtle bluff]

📌 Look in the Pinned Message

[subtle bluff]

Wrong chat. Look for the LFG channels.

[grizzled cloak]

Sorry my bad

That's my mistake

[cerulean aurora]

Question for an electronic build? What would you do for a chess piece? Would you go spark or Kinect Momentum?

[charred eagle]

Ok so I’m running a 3 piece legmo, that being the chest piece (not the named one) the holster and the backbone backpack. With coyote mask, and the fox prayers knees, and contractor gloves. Now on the chest piece im running glass cannon but im not really a fan of the 50% more dmg received… so is there another talent yall would recommend? And also thinkin about swapping fox prayers knees for walker harris or sum. Cause I understand fox prayers has damage to targets out of cover and dmg to armor but the 1 piece being 10% rifle dmg… is it better to run a different gear set for a more useful 1 piece attribute like walker Harris cause that’s 5% more weapon dmg… and I’m running pestilence so more weapon dmg is more tick dmg… sorry for the long question 😅

[shy willow]

Glass cannon

Amps skills and weapon

[cerulean aurora]

But beside GC

[shy willow]

Ideally you should build crit on a yellow DPS hybrid

[shadow pendant]

Striker electronic?

[cerulean aurora]

Striker for the DPS and then when you invest material for armor and then you got your electronics perfect hybrid

[hazy steeple]

@gentle trail The best location to get the EB from is the Dark Hours Raid on Normal Difficulty, so you're looking for #lfg-raid-console
GL Agent

[hoary sail]

i run proto with hazard protection for hunters in countdown nd foam is better for hunter at beginnig nd the endding

[subtle bluff]

Could just run Faraday Field to deal with disruption instead.

[raw sigil]

thoughts?

[hoary sail]

Faraday field?

[subtle bluff]

Party members within 5m of your deployed and un-disrupted skills are immune to shock and disruption.

[hoary sail]

ah that but im with crossbow

[subtle bluff]

You're not gonna do enough dmg clear smoothly but I guess it works. You leggo content it won't work well.

[subtle bluff]

I'm just saying you could just run this and not take away from your build with hazpro.

[hoary sail]

oh ok but during objectives im not with it only during hunters

[hoary sail]

what u want to do with that?

[crude girder]

How can I switch my signature weapon?

[raw sigil]

Figured was just olanning on using it for heroic content

[raw sigil]

Just for heroic

[hoary sail]

for heroic tank build are not the best. Better to do some dmg

[hoary sail]

look at ping message there is a sheet with some red build. try in there

[strong cave]

At the base of Operations or switching to a saved loadout in your loadout tab that has that specialization on the loadout

Like for example if you need to swap from strikers with gunner to say strikers with technician, you'd swap to a loadout you have saved for tech. Remove pieces of the loadout and slot in your previous build onto the new specialization loadout. Wish the devs would add quick swap when out of combat but if it was that easy we'd have it by now 🤦

Or idkkk maybe increase the number of builds we can keep saved 😁

[hexed steppe]

you dont run 2pc eclipse, there is just no real benefit. if you want go that route, stacking status effects, you can run 1 eletrique/ 1 golan both set bonus' give 10% se, plus rolled se will net 40% status effects out of the same 2 slots. youll also be able to roll 24% haste on top of that since he have 2 attributes.
youll really want to just 4pc the eclipse and if you want damage, use ep bag. amplify talent always have their own spot in the damage formula which makes them a lot stronger than something thats additive like stacking status effects.

[hexed steppe]

deployable skills get hacked in countdown. any time you need disrupt resist in countdown, you also are at risk of deployable skills being hacked. hazpro is the way to go in CD.

[patent fossil]

@crude girder Slightly quicker than swapping each piece individually, use this method ^ but just equip and activate the specialisation skill, then load the desired loadout and it'll swap all the pieces but not the specialisation.

[crude girder]

Thank you guys will do this one. I have one more question. I'm playing on pc and my character just walks and not run unless I press shift.

[patent fossil]

Tap backspace

[strong cave]

I learn something new each day! Forgot about the specialist skills

[patent fossil]

Yeah as long as it's active or on cooldown it'll block you swapping spec but allow everything else to swap

[thorny kernel]

Are there any gimmicky but fun builds i could try out?

[magic pilot]

Triple tick eclipse

[thorny kernel]

Elaborate

[magic pilot]

@thorny kernel pesti is rolled with DTA, and the yellow rolls are status, mods can be whatever you want

[thorny kernel]

I'm not a fan of glass cannon, what could fit instead?

[hazy steeple]

Wait, is that Pesti with OD?

[magic pilot]

You can also swap pesti for blue screen

[magic pilot]

Nothing basically

Obliterate is you really don't want to run glass, but it significantly lowers the builds dmg

[hazy steeple]

Pesti is weapon damage, not status. You're going to need a primer.

[thorny kernel]

The ticks as well?

[hazy steeple]

Hits apply a debuff dealing 100% weapon damage over 10 seconds. This stacks up to 50 times.
Whenever an enemy dies with this debuff, all stacks are transferred to a nearby enemy within 25 meters```

[magic pilot]

That's not the point

[hazy steeple]

So why use it on an OD setup?

[magic pilot]

You get ticks from vile, ticks from bleed and ticks from pesti

[hazy steeple]

So vile is there solely for the bleed?

vile: Status effects also apply a damage over time debuff for 10s.

status.

Am I missing a synergy here?

[thorny kernel]

So Vile doesn't proc off of Pestilence?

[hazy steeple]

Pesti's ticks are weapon damage, Vile only works on status.
Yes, Pestilence is poorly named.

[magic pilot]

You just answered your own question

Status = bleed

[hazy steeple]

I asked a question. It feels like a wasted slot.

[stiff jasper]

You misunderstanding how the build work

[magic pilot]

Too bad it doesn't care about your feelings lol

There's not much you can swap it with

[hazy steeple]

prod, if you can't explain the build that is fine, but there's no need to be rude.

[magic pilot]

Just a lil joke

[hazy steeple]

It was in poor taste and you know it.

[magic pilot]

My bad

It looks like a hot mess until you really do a deep dive

[hazy steeple]

Most builds with OD I see usually just slap Coyotes on there, a duct-tape version of ND seems like an odd choice.

[stiff jasper]

The key word of this build is dot
Normal attributes don't increase pesti tick damage, so it roll to status to increase bleeding damage
Meanwhile, the core attributes don't increase the tick of od ammo bleeding damage, so it use red core to increase pesti tick damage

[magic pilot]

The dmg really is pretty strong, the vile scales off all the status effect attributes and the OD backpack, the pesti (non ticks) are buffed from the 20% OD ammo, and the ticks are buffed by red cores

[hazy steeple]

So you're in effect, trading crit for status?

[magic pilot]

It's really hard to math out the dps of all of this, especially since it's variable but it's comparable to non chest striker

[magic pilot]

Yea basically

[hazy steeple]

Gearsets are attribute deficient as-is, you need to make a cut somewhere.

[magic pilot]

Yea there's that and the crits not boosting pesti ticks

Glass cannon is definitely the best talent to use here, you could maybe run OD chest and take contractors though

[shadow pendant]

What is the best skill build ?

[hazy steeple]

What's the idea here behind having 2 separate LMG's? It feels like you'd need to swap back and forth fairly consistently to get any use out of them.

[magic pilot]

Would be way less dps still

[magic pilot]

Pesti is the only weapon used here, maybe bluescreen. The backups are decoration

[magic pilot]

That's very circumstantial, what skills are you wanting to use

[stiff jasper]

But you may use named mk17 as functional weapon

[shadow pendant]

Drone and tower

[hazy steeple]

So how do you trigger the bleed ammo?

[magic pilot]

Banshee pulse

[stiff jasper]

Also try explosive trap, it deal more bleeding damage

[magic pilot]

Yea true, can start a fight with that first

[magic pilot]

Never tried it, will give it a shot

[hazy steeple]

This is a weird build.

[magic pilot]

3 empress, Wyvern, 2 hanu, I'd recommend getting them rolled with skill dmg and crit rolls and mainly using capacitor. This allows you to have good weapon dmg

[magic pilot]

100% I hated it when I first saw it

[stiff jasper]

Doesn't weird, effective against hit and run team

[hazy steeple]

Oh it's PvP?

[patent fossil]

Tbf this was the original request ^

[shadow pendant]

TY

[magic pilot]

Funnily enough that picture has armor on kill mods on it which I hate

[magic pilot]

I use it in pve

[hazy steeple]

I am honestly struggling to read that reply from deco'

It reads like auto-translate Shakespeare.

[magic pilot]

The translations lol

[stiff jasper]

I personally run 6 blue od in pvp but not red , also with full status and bp

[hazy steeple]

I stay away from PvP builds. I have absolutely no use for them.

[shadow pendant]

Ahh i allready use this build haha

[magic pilot]

Makes sense

[magic pilot]

Not working great?

[hazy steeple]

You doing okay deco? Been typing for a while.

[shadow pendant]

Not nad but i thought that there arę some better build

[hazy steeple]

"Skill DPS" builds are all kinda the same, in that they're much slower than killing stuff with guns alone.
That is by design.

[magic pilot]

For skill builds with drone/turret not really unless you go into hybrids

[stiff jasper]

Few advantage of status od in pvp
Long movement speed decrease by bleeding
Provide damage buff to team
Huge threat to any crispy
Enemy tracking by bleeding tick, even pulse resistant

If pve, of course many better options

[stiff jasper]

Just trying to explain my word, without google to fix my bullshit grammar and vocabulary

[hazy steeple]

As long as it's clear enough, we can get the general gist.
There are some pretty good websites out there to help, I've got one saved that I use to check out messages on here, do you want me to PM it to you?

[stiff jasper]

No

[shadow pendant]

My bad. I am using a similar build with 3 Empress, 1 Wyvern, 1 Ceska, and Waveform. This setup gives max Skill Damage, some Crit Chance from Ceska, and stacking skill bonuses from Waveform. Capacitor works well here for extra weapon damage. It’s a good balance between high skill damage and solid weapon support.

[magic pilot]

The waveform is kinda not great, ceska isnt doing a lot here but it does help

This is full hybrid for turret/drone- weapon dps

[shadow pendant]

Ok i will try it

[warm knot]

I dunno, how would you guys run this? I'm gonna do this a 3 blue 3 red, I just dont have the right pieces yet 😬

[hearty ibex]

does anyone have a good damage build not using watch

[wheat current]

what is EP bag though?

[warm knot]

Eclipse protocol bag

[wheat current]

ah lol okay ty

[hexed steppe]

Eclipse protocol, as mentioned. Gives you a 30% amp on all damage against status affected npcs. Very strong amp if using damage eclipse. Not used in cc tho

[wheat current]

yeah i wasnt looking at it for CC i wanted it for status effect dmg highest i gotten was 400k but i wanted it higher so i wanted the % for status effect

[hexed steppe]

Is that sticky fire or chem fire

And do you have capacitor or weapon with insync

[warm knot]

Here we go again

It kinda feels nostalgic

[hexed steppe]

Hey there is good ways and bad ways to run eclipse. Just like all the ninja builds .we get em in the right spot here

[hexed steppe]

Fire double dips skill damage and status effects. Something like capacitor needs to be stacked before you deploy fire but itll probably add like 150/200k onto your damage.
Also double dipping let's the skill damage and status effects be multipliers of eachother... instead of all status that's additive wo other status and just a single multiplier for your damage.
Test it in the range. I'll be out of coms for a bit

[cloud raptor]

This work good?

[trail summit]

whats a good website to find builds. id like to find an oxidizer build for summit

[vestal ibex]

Pinned messages in this channel leads to a spreadsheet then head to the Hub(builds) tab.

Oxy build is in there but if you are looking to do the hunters on floor 100 check out this video.

[trail summit]

yes this

[vestal ibex]

ez 30 second hunters.

[charred eagle]

Am I losing dmg if I swap out fox prayers knees for grupo or ceska? Runnin a legmo lmg build with glass cannon

Or walker Harris knees?

[onyx sage]

ceska is better

[vestal ibex]

Sir pls show mafs

[charred eagle]

Ok if that’s the case could I swap glass cannon for obliterate? My crit chance went up to 55% it’s just glass cannon I have to play more careful 😭

[onyx sage]

yeah

[cloud raptor]

Is the chill out mask a dark zone drop?

[vestal ibex]

It's a winter event item dropped by the hoarder.

[bright raptor]

No, limited time only hoarder/loot goblin drop

[cloud raptor]

Damn so I missed it

[bright raptor]

you can try, last week they still hadn't turned off event drops for the loot goblin and there was nothing about it in the patch notes either

of course the holiday loot pool itself is now so ridiculously diluted it might take a while

[cloud raptor]

Any specific way to find him

Or what would be a good substitute

[vestal ibex]

Almost anything that is synergistic tbh

Chillout is only good for PFE tank type stuff.

[patent fossil]

YouTube has guides
Generally you just fat travel to dz south main entrance and run north east towards the car park. Log off and on again after killing/they don't spawn, and repeat

But yeah chill out is almost always worse than other options

Harvest is the main seasonal drop worth farming the goblin for

[cloud raptor]

This is what I’m going for

[vestal ibex]

Why?

[cloud raptor]

I was playin DZ and this slammed me

[vestal ibex]

Not a good reason to make that build tbh

[cloud raptor]

Ah ok

[magic pilot]

Yes

[cloud raptor]

Just tryna get a PVP build while I wait for the matador

[magic pilot]

And it sucks

[magic pilot]

3 lengmo, grupo, contractors coyotes

3 blue, run vigi/unbreakable with firewall. Chc rolled on pesti

[cloud raptor]

There a pic of that lmao imma bit slow

[vestal ibex]

Probably in the pinned spreadsheet>Hub(builds)>PVP guide

[magic pilot]

Yesh

[cloud raptor]

With that lengmo does it survive a lot

[wheat current]

i have a question about 2 guns what would be good builds for them and what would be a good situation to use them is, the guns are ouroboros and backfire i like them both but backfire has alot of potential in my eyes with the extra crit dmg but i dont see alot of people using them at all mostly St elmo's and some other guns

[patent fossil]

Both are short range guns, easiest to run with a hunters fury build, or maybe strikers if you like high risk/reward

[magic pilot]

No it's a mid-long range build

Not face trading

[vestal ibex]

I feel like they were fighting a pesti regen build and played into the long fight and eventually died to pesti.

[wheat current]

with the HF build with armor? or keep it with red?

[patent fossil]

It's up to you, personally I run it with memento and 2 other armour cores but it's really personal taste and your gameplay skill

[wheat current]

i've wanted to do ouroboros build ever since i saw it in a youtube vid but i havent seen much people using either or so i wanted to give it a go

[wheat current]

usaully my gameplay is up and in the bosses face or enemy's face so both will work well for me

i usaully just ran armor regen and unbreakable and just face tanked most enemy's though

[patent fossil]

If you're playing in groups it'll be harder to use effectively as it's easier to get surrounded (more enemies) plus you can easily end up blocking your teammates shots with your shield, which is probably why you don't see it so often in group play

[wheat current]

my ally's already block alot of my shots in group plays already lol so i am used to that it happens so often i rather have a SMG and probably be at the side of the enemy rather in front of it anyways to keep ally's from LoSing anyways

[patent fossil]

As long as you're aware of the issue and work around it, you'll be fine I'm sure

[wheat current]

though the second problem is sometimes the ally's follow me and shoot behind me anyways so ill have to keep on circling xD!!

[wheat current]

but yes ill probably use the memento and grupo or ceska chest rest HF

[cloud raptor]

Ok I’m probably just going to wait for the TL bag to get the matador to finish the bighorn hsd build

[upper terrace]

Does anyone have a good Pestilence build?

[carmine spindle]

What tank build do I need for IH?

Yea no lol

[magic pilot]

Pve or pvp

Fieser

[vestal ibex]

There are three tank builds, you can kinda build them with the goal in mind and they will work.
Key tank-PFE-Armor-bulwark-revive-protector on backpack-Perfect vanguard-tech
Stagger tank-PFE-Armor-sticky emp-revive-tardi-ad rush-tech
haz pro tank-100% haz-armor-shield-revive hive-perfect vanguard-tech

[carmine spindle]

Thank you 🙏

[magic pilot]

Stagger

Key

Diagnostic

[vestal ibex]

These tank builds have a job, as long as you can do that job well you gud but obviously having a better build is going to make your job easier.

[upper terrace]

Typically solo pve content

[solar sable]

i apologise

[carmine spindle]

All good lol

[magic pilot]

Top dps for general content is gonna be 4 striker, with ceska glass cannon chest and backbone backpack

If you want good ticks as well, 3 lengmo (one being backbone), contractors, fox and coyotes. Glass chest

[upper terrace]

Fox over ceska kneepads generally better?

for out of cover i assume

[magic pilot]

For this build specifically yes. Usually ceska > fox

But it's high end so it has higher crit values. And chc should be on pesti

Dtooc and DTA buffs pesti ticks

[subtle bluff]

You're losing out on too many numbers for DTTooC to be worth it. Only 2 times that it's ok to use fox's by numbers is if you don't already have DTTooC or your over CHC without having to stats into it (aka smg)

Well then specify reason of using it. Rifle, HS and pesti builds.

[upper terrace]

I need to work on optimizing obviously, but is this what it should be? I'll work on modding/optimizing afterwards. Just want to ensure the pieces are correct

[red island]

why skill tier bagpack ?

[upper terrace]

It's backbone

[red island]

you should try to change its core stat to red

[upper terrace]

Yes, I said in my post that I need to optimize. Just want to ensure I have the correct pieces in slots

[red island]

i mean, overall lengmo isnt a good brand since you need to waste 3 pieces to get the lgm damage

you're better off using striker or normal crit build

[upper terrace]

So more like this? @red island

[red island]

i dont think the named bagpack is worth it compared to normal version, or better yet, striker bag + named petrov gloves

if you really want the bagpack talent, go full high end imo

[upper terrace]

I'll try this out

[versed summit]

it is

[red island]

if you wanna try full high end gear, you can try vigilance on bagpack

[magic pilot]

back yet again spreading misinformation

[magic pilot]

fox knees on this

you are gonna want to get everything with chc/chd to roll the cores red its not an easy farm

striker is way easier

[honest moss]

Bit late but want to ask: so is dttooc not worth stacking? Say it is on your gun + you have fox's, is it better to swap fox's for contractors for the dta or is it whatever?

[subtle bluff]

I cover this a few post up.

The idea is the more numbers the better. If you're gonna go for one number but something else is gonna give you more number the more numbers. But yes you got it.

[honest moss]

Ah apologies i missed that one

[versed summit]

Short answer: It’s worth stacking.

Long answer: if you already have 10 dtooc on your build, contractors is technically better by about 0.0x%. This can be fine for PvP, but for general content, the active rate of DTA is just way lower than dtooc.

[honest moss]

Thank you both for clarifying for me, much appreciated ❤️

[red island]

im pretty sure vigilance is bis for high end build but sure bud

damage wise not much can beat 25% extra damage

[tepid trout]

Not really any point in striker bag without chest anymore

[red island]

wym ?

striker is good with stacks, even before 100

[tepid trout]

Other talents provide the same damage buffs plus the extra attribute

[red island]

no talent can compare to stacked striker

[tepid trout]

Without chest yea they can

If your running 4pc striker without chestpiece then don't run bag

With chest it is the largest damage buff but without that it Is equal to vig or max stack unstoppable force at max stacks and when your not it's worse

[red island]

obliterate is only 20% weapon damage

[tepid trout]

For 1 obliterate is chest talent

[red island]

we talk about chest

[tepid trout]

And my whole point is without chest

Like the dudes build

[red island]

ah i mixed up

mb

yeah in this direction it make sense

[tepid trout]

@upper terrace one of the best builds you can run without needing to heavily stack is 4pc striker with groupo and ceska (talents being glass/oblit/unbreakable and vig/unstoppable force)

Wht u using it for

Sapphire

[compact atlas]

Heals

[tepid trout]

For what content

[compact atlas]

1 sec wrong pic

[tepid trout]

I know what a heal build is 😆

[compact atlas]

Legendaries

[tepid trout]

It's ok

You can swap between that bag and setup for chunga dmg

[compact atlas]

here it is

[red island]

its the standard build iirc

you should try using scorpio tho

[compact atlas]

what is the benifit of a scorpio

[red island]

cc provided to your team

and bonus damage iirc for the bp talent

[cerulean smelt]

it gives a bunch of status effects and think once you get the full stacks it'll boost their damage + change the backpack to setup i think? whatever is the perfect version of improving shotgun damage

[cerulean smelt]

their current BP talent is for increased healing at full armor Safeguard

[red island]

ah i always confuse the 2, they look similar

but yeah you already have tons of heals, you dont need more

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, Setup backpack
Uzina Getica
The Setup
Perfectly Opportunistic: Enemies you hit with shotguns and marksman rifles amplifies the damage they take by 15% from all sources for 5s.

think the stack changed recently but at full stacks
"Septic Shock
Shooting a target applies stacks of venom, which last for 10s. Increasing stacks adds more severe debuffs to the target.

1 - Poison (PVP Bleed)
3 - Disorient (PVP Disrupt)
6 - Shock (PVP Ensnare)
7 - Target takes 20% damage (from all sources)
Duration of Status Effects is based on percentage of pellets hit on applying shot."

[subtle bluff]

Here's a guide I posted awhile ago.
#td2-build-advice message

Going survivalist or tech depends on the content.

[tepid trout]

Only difference is if you ever use it in dh change the tech to a crossbow

[subtle bluff]

uh?

[tepid trout]

What?

I meant for other guy

[subtle bluff]

You replied to me.. 😐

[tepid trout]

Mb

Realised after

[prime elbow]

Are these useful in some kind of build or are they worthless

[red island]

could be useful if the animation for thoses 2 moves wasnt so long or leaving you defense less

i guess if you find a way to do that in an effective way its not bad ?

[urban latch]

Break them down for a valuable exotic component

[red island]

keep one in stock for when they get giga buffed someday tho

dont mind the huge amount of copium im inhaling

[fresh fox]

worthless

[prime elbow]

I'm keeping it for now, my only one

[real oak]

im shd level 162 and still dont have a proper build any suggestions

[red island]

check pinned message with spreadsheet for builds

[real oak]

thank you

[wheat current]

i have a question what is dtooc?

also what is a typical pvp build for lets say dz and or conflict ik both have to have hzpro but what else ? does it depend on the gun?

[solar sable]

DMG to Target out of Cover

[wheat current]

ah okay thank you!

[solar sable]

afaik there's no typical or most used but we have an evernote full of PvP builds in the Spreadsheet

[grizzled mason]

Whats the best type of build to grind summit on legendary? My current DPS aint working at all, gettin destroyed

[wheat current]

yeah ill look at them again i do wanna get that bighorn going though lol it is alot of fun

[wheat current]

last question is how or where do i get my hands on mods for hzpro ?

[solar sable]

anywhere tbh
you can go to countdown and select Gear Mods as TL

as long as they're Gear Mods

[wheat current]

Ooo nice i will thank you doomz

[wheat current]

also what is a good replacement for the matar since i dont have it atm

[hearty ibex]

what ars should i use for striker

[solar sable]

matador? regular w&h with ad rush

[solar sable]

if you have Lexi, use it
if not: famas, f2k...

[static shadow]

Had anyone put together a good neg dilemma set together for legendary. I feel like it really would be viable.

[limpid ocean]

Is it better to use ongoing directive with ridgeways pride or vile

[hexed steppe]

nego is 😍 , and is a really dope set. it probably performs pretty well in legs.. in the right hands.

[hexed steppe]

neither

[limpid ocean]

Wdym

[hexed steppe]

build it like a dps that has some status, dont focus armor pieces to the status. the bleed focused weapon talent should be good tho

sadist or w/e

[limpid ocean]

W/e?

[hexed steppe]

whatever*

i wasnt recalling the name at that moment. it is sadist talent tho

[limpid ocean]

And I don't want status effects on my armor. Only crit chance and damage?

[hexed steppe]

pretty much

Raucey has a guide wrote up for it. https://lite.evernote.com/note/ab467bd9-bf13-4346-2df4-3f78505343e1

[wheat current]

i just got it lol from a legacy cache

[hexed steppe]

status rolls arent really strong with OD, specifically because bleed is pretty low damage. the set is more about buffing weapon damage for yourself and team

[subtle bluff]

Legacy cache is where you'll find a lot of the DZ only gear in.

OD is better at doing Weapon Damage than it's bleed even tho you wouldn't think that but ya.

[hexed steppe]

so talent like sadist, wicked both take advantage of status in some way as another damage boost

i will suggest tho, if you like the idea of having a strong status build, look into eclipse protocol with fire skills like sticky and chem launcher

[limpid ocean]

Alr

I've been looking for things other then just standard dps builds

[hexed steppe]

eclipse is pretty solid and way different from dps. fire eclipse or crowd control eclipse (riot foam chem) are both really good. check the pinned spreadsheet. there is a whole host of guides like the OD one i posted a couple mins ago

[sturdy mortar]

is this build good for pvp

[subtle bluff]

Ya look up the OD guide. OD is a really good Solo/Duo DPS PvE build.

I like use Rilfes with it.

[hexed steppe]

i really need to put together an od build. i think i actually have one, but its never got much use

probably have to stick imperial dynasty w/ creeping on it tho... be an anchor for a team

[charred eagle]

Anybody got a good foundry bulwark build?

Conflicted if I should be goin for crit chance/crit dmg for the gear attributes or go for 100% hazard protection/protection from elites..

[urban latch]

foundry is really only good for going full tank, which has a very limited use. If you want something like a damage/armor hybrid, go hunters fury

[charred eagle]

I wouldn’t say very limited if you only play legendary or hardcore… and I’m lookin to build a tank build for legendary content/raids

[subtle bluff]

It very rarely help in leggo play. The last few guys that try to run it with me just died or didn't do much.
The issue with tank in normal play is that there's no real aggro mechanics. The only real one is that they shoot whoever is doing the most damage.

For raid tanks it's only for IH and there are very specific builds for it

[charred eagle]

Hmmm I see. I’ll try to find a hybrid build or sum

[subtle bluff]

Ty for listening. Too many don't like us saying this.

[charred eagle]

Preciate yall intakes

[subtle bluff]

Div 2 is really a game of things need to go away.

[charred eagle]

lol yea I’ve seen, but I’m a returning player and I’ll take any advice since I’ve been in the dark so long. Plus if more than one person is saying the same thing I tend to listen lol

[subtle bluff]

There's a something I call support tanks or in general full PFE builds.

[charred eagle]

Is protection from elite really viable? Cause I’ve heard so many ppl talk about how shite the armor is in this game 😭

[subtle bluff]

It uses improvised gear pieces and/or mix of survivalist for more PFE.
Then the mix of Chest and Backpack to change it up.

[versed summit]

For certain content, some people tend to overrate it though.

[subtle bluff]

It's not a real tank. It's able to take some damage and be able to run around and do stuff.

If nothing it's really more of a playstyle that you need to build round.

[charred eagle]

I Preciate all the info, thank yall

[upper terrace]

Sorry a bit late to responding. What are you saying I should change in that pestilence build?

[subtle bluff]

Your build looks fine to me.

[upper terrace]

Great, thanks! I will just focus on optimizing now.

[subtle bluff]

Only thing is maybe going with a SMG has a 2nd encase things get close so you can DPS quicker and reload.

[upper terrace]

Fair enough. I can make that change

Haven't played in a long time. Only 300 SHD so definitely have some farming to do

[upper terrace]

Just completed my first solo heroic mission w/ this pestilence build. Thanks for the tips!

[magic pilot]

Don't run akm and swap Picaros to grupo

Go 3 red 3 blue core

[sturdy mortar]

I want your opinion on the current BUILD that i run

[subtle bluff]

PvP?

[sturdy mortar]

yes

[static shadow]

Thinking of this for leg would it suck or no. I know 50% crit ain't max but with the mask I'm always around that 15-25m range so I hit cap.

[stiff jasper]

Swap picaros to fernis

[sturdy mortar]

what the difference between them ?

[subtle bluff]

So if you're not using picaro brandset bonus to get the skill teir the skill haste is a waste. They're same more or less for Armor and WD wise but you get to choice the other stats now.

[sturdy mortar]

ty for the help now i will just Swap picaros to fernis

[subtle bluff]

the cons of the build is that you need to get close to get the chest to work.

[peak moss]

Aside from attributes not being maxed, any improvements?

I swapped the contractors gloves for regular petrov with maxed chd and changed to gunner after I took ss

[peak moss]

18% in chc rolls seems a bit low? I know the buffs from the mask increase it but I’ve always known the standard to sit around 40%~

[subtle bluff]

Uh? The build is sitting at 52% CHC at least with Elmo

[peak moss]

Might be that I’m missing something but the math ain’t mathing

Ceska is 10 shd watch is 10 and chc rolls are 18

[bright raptor]

are the rolls inclusive of the weapon mods?

[subtle bluff]

No?
If you check the spreadsheet all the different weapon mods are there.

[bright raptor]

I'm asking him not you

[sand bronze]

Salut tout le monde !!! Il y aurai t’il quelqu’un pour me proposer un build dps st Elmo’s’ striker !?! Merci

[solar sable]

salut! est-ce que tu parlais anglais? nous écrivons en anglais mais je te peux aider

Il y a un guide épinglé dans ce canal qui contient toutes les builds, y compris Striker

mods, I'm sorry for not using the right language but I had to find a way to communicate with them

[tulip charm]

Ceska is 8 now. 15 from weapon, 18 from gear plus one chc mod, 10 if you maxed crit bonus from watch should be 51% in total excluding coyote buff.

[patent fossil]

You really won't get the most use out of strega if you're running nego, I'd say swap it for Elmos or a decent high end AR. Otherwise it's a great build.

Bluescreen also a good option

[versed summit]

Weapon mods

[halcyon trout]

Once (when there were only 30 levels) the measure of a character's strength was the SHD value which had a maximum of 500 points. There was even such an achievement to get. Now there are other SHD levels, but this value still exists and can reach a maximum of 924. I have a question, does anyone know how this value is calculated and is it possible to exceed level 924?

[patent fossil]

This was called gear score, and related to the gear stats and max values (I'm not 100% clear on whether it related to actual stat rolls as well as base values like armour and weapon damage).
Since all level 40 gear has the same base values, I would assume any time you wear a loadout that is all level 40 and has max stats across the board, you'll be at max gear score.

[halcyon trout]

That's exactly what I mean. If a character is not equipped with maximum stats and attributes, then this score does not reach the value of 924... that is, it is "incomplete". I understand that you cannot achieve a higher score than the maximum. Thanks a lot!

[magic pilot]

Run fenris holster

[patent fossil]

@azure plank see this picture for a good dps build
#td2-build-advice message

[azure plank]

Thank you so much.💛 🫡

[versed summit]

Happy people are getting use out of that 😄

[static shadow]

Yea only reason I was running strega was for the marks and additional damage to marked targets. Not sure if it affects negs marked targets as well

[magic pilot]

Nego kills do not mark enemies with Strega debuff that's why it's not recommended

If it did would definitely make more room for Nego in the meta

[azure plank]

Tried to loot strikers gear set from here, got 4 items 2 times. And 2 player loot me after killing me.😂

[versed summit]

have you tried countdown yet

[red island]

avoid dz until you have a perfect pvp gear tbh

do countdown instead it drops more and is safer

[azure plank]

What's that actually?

[red island]

check on your map

[versed summit]

it's a game mode where you can select your targeted loot. it's near the top right of your map

[patent fossil]

Use the matchmaking tab, stick to challenging difficulty, and pick your target loot from the map (pentco power plant or summit)

[patent fossil]

Strega only marks on kill, you don't really 'tag' enemies with hits, so it's best with a build where you focus down one enemy at a time to maximise marks on nearby enemies. Plus what mortar said about kills by transferred damage not counting.

[prime elbow]

What set should I run with the eagle bearer? And what cores should I use

Is the memento a good one to run or coyote is better

(Don't have the Eagle yet) Still farming

[bold leaf]

I'd be interested to know what people suggest for Eagle Bearer. The stability on it is awful and even the 15% weapon handling from striker isn't enough. I tried 3pc Fenris with ceska, grupo and one other but it lacked damage. Then tried 4pc Striker all rolled weapon handling and that was much better, but it seems a lot just to benefit from a single exotic talent so idk

[prime elbow]

Is the Bearer even good? Genuine question, a lot of people glaze it

[hazy steeple]

It's a PvP gun, mostly.

[bold leaf]

It seemingly had a nerf a while back that made it not so good but I only got it recently so idk

[red island]

its good to tank damage and deal some, but its not the best at both

[patent fossil]

Depends what you're using it for. I run it solo sometimes with memento and striker, ceska obliterate chest, lets you facetank effectively without giving up much damage, which is useful in cases when you can get easily flanked, or you just can't be bothered with positioning.

Just have to get fairly close to mitigate the handling, you'll get better at controlling the recoil with practice

[bold leaf]

Gonna need a bigger mouse pad if I don't tame the stability a bit first xD

[vestal ibex]

Deskpad**

Get one anyway they are great

[patent fossil]

I haven't felt the need to run any handling attributes with it personally. This season you do get a handling bonus from killing blacklisted enemies so that'll help

[honest moss]

I like the EB for other reasons but one build i loved was all red. Get a headshot kill and just start melting. No shield needed just defender drone. Risky but fun

[bold leaf]

It was great with the handling buff from golden bullet

[patent fossil]

Honestly bighorn is worse when it comes to beaming heads, but worth learning the control

[honest moss]

Also i don't feel like its handling is that bad

[prime elbow]

Any recommendations? I only have 1 Full red Striker build and it's getting boring to just hide behind cover and getting exploded by 1 single bullet

[red island]

Check pinned message for builds

[prime elbow]

I will, thx

[honest moss]

Honestly, it is a great weapon for what it does. It is a crit gun, has built in accuracy and if you are killing tenacity can be awesome but i wouldn't say it is a must get. Plenty of other options in the AR slot all things considered

[patent fossil]

Think it depends what you're used to: if you came from div 1 or other games with high recoil then it seems fine, if you're just used to elmo/lex type weapons then it's a big adjustment

[honest moss]

Oh true. Mb!

[patent fossil]

I went from div 2 to div 1 and really struggled with the handling for a while, but it definitely helped my control with more awkward weapons in 2

[patent fossil]

#td2-build-advice message this is how I run it, couple of blue cores as well as the memento. Just got to make sure you get that first headshot kill quickly

All crit minor stats

[dull gust]

Hello

I'm trying to make a pve and a pvp build around Backfire.

I'm wondering if it's even viable at higher diff (currently just a challenge/ heroic player) and in PvP. Currently using it with the hunter set

[magic pilot]

Hello, backfire is extremely strong atm. One thing worth noting is that PvP and PvE builds are completely different usually if a build does well in one it does very poorly in the other

Easiest way to help you out is by having you send a screenshot of your current setup

[dull gust]

Will do,I'll send a screenshot of current build when I'm back home. But I was thinking one set pve and one set pvp. Thanks for advise,will get back to you!

[shy willow]

Gotta get yourself a lightweight M4 fam

[patent fossil]

Most of my playtime was just the 1-30 story running whatever loot I could scavenge.
Did get an endgame build together in the end with lwm4 but it still had quite a vertical kick if you fired more than a second at a time

[tulip charm]

Yeah theres more recoil in div 1 compared to div2

[static shadow]

@patent fossil aahh ok so it's kinda pointless I'll switch over to Elmo. I wonder with oxe and the shield if it would be even better.

[patent fossil]

If you're close up with a shield and smg, it's harder to tag multiple enemies. Elmo is a decent choice since if you have shock bullets when you tag the different enemies you're CCing all of them. Bluescreen is also a popular choice. Otherwise, just any high dps ar will do

[static shadow]

Never tried bluescreen cause lmg likes to shoot everywhere lol.

[patent fossil]

Yeah I'm not a fan of them myself, but it's often recommended, and they are a lot stronger than they used to be, these days

[onyx sage]

bluescreen is quite alright now

[glossy scarab]

so is this oxpecker exotic smg even worth investing in to get dtooc on it, optimize it and expertise it?

[static shadow]

I liked it when it first came out. But when they nerfed the wh cheat I think they did something to oxe because it doesn't hit like it used to

[cerulean smelt]

when i used it in PTS on a striker build i was impressed. got it live and tried again. wasn't as impressive

[glossy scarab]

yeah i was thinking the same. dont know if i'll ever end up using it

[red island]

The spread tighten after a second or so on lmg

[cerulean smelt]

mind you it was an all red striker build too. so now it's just disappointing trying to use it again

well, bluescreen is that one model of LMG that had decent handling to begin with so i didn't mind that, it was the damage that made me go "this sucks!"

i do use a bluescreen on an OD build i saw on youtube which i wouldn't have thought would've been decent, but i'm actually enjoying it

[bright raptor]

the damage amp forgives many (virtual) shortcomings

[carmine furnace]

Why? Full red sacrifice work fine in both. Shoot with any gun you want in PvE and snipe in pvp.

[onyx sage]

that's only 1 build type that works in both

you don't bring your pvp regen into pve

[subtle bluff]

using CG you'll take extra bleed extr... You won't like it.

[violet juniper]

This is awesome

genuinely awesome

[solar sable]

is that nbb

[red island]

you are laser beaming for sure, but you def arent doing any damage xd

[violet juniper]

technically, that guy is doing more damage due to the ridiculous uptime between reloads

[red island]

yeah but your base damage is awful, you're not doing any damag eper bullet

[violet juniper]

You can get at least 2 CHC and 2 CHD rolls out of that build, excluding gear mods

[red island]

thats very little damage

its a funny build tho

[violet juniper]

still doing 80% damage admittedly

[red island]

80% damage what ?

[violet juniper]

Definitely is, all the guy needs to do is make a few changes and he's doing more damage

[red island]

weapon damage ?

thats VERY low

you have no damage talent, no added damage anywhere, no crit

[violet juniper]

That's the max you can get from all red without utilizing brand bonuses lol

[red island]

its funny but also very ineffective on heroic

will take forever to clean anything

[violet juniper]

I know, would probably benefit from a hotshot piece and a rifle

[red island]

i'd say from anything that give you damage

so not thoses 3 talents you have

also nothing except the kneepad

[violet juniper]

M1A with something like boomerang could help pump some damage

[red island]

not nearly enough

[violet juniper]

Yeah I don't know why he's running braced

GC would probably be better

[red island]

for more stability etc

but again, its a funny build

[violet juniper]

Definitely is

[red island]

just not effective at all

[violet juniper]

I don't think it was made to be effective

[magic pilot]

thats sustain dps which is almost never considered when looking into dps builds

[urban latch]

Who?

[red island]

the build in his screen

with full stab/acc

[magic pilot]

@urban latch ^

[urban latch]

Unless they are just talking in the third person it seems like they watched some YTer make a terrible build

[red island]

yet very funny build

[violet juniper]

nah it was a guy on reddit goofing around

I would love for that guy to use a vector with unwavering though

[hexed steppe]

If you're gonna do that just drop that "build" you posted and dip into nego instead . Much much better, and wont be confused for a meme

And 🙅‍♂️ 🥷

[violet juniper]

it basically was a meme lmao

did you not read any of the messages?

I'm not seriously going to run a weapon handling build

[prime elbow]

Is this a good piece ?

[red island]

Not really

[violet juniper]

depends on the build

[red island]

Bad brand and stat

[violet juniper]

it's a mid brand

swap that armour stat for skill damage or something

[red island]

Just extract the stat imo

For librairy

[versed summit]

there's literally no build for that

[violet juniper]

seems like a healing focused set on first look

could lend it to a high end hive build

[bold leaf]

But why though

[violet juniper]

Why are there other builds than striker?

[bold leaf]

Exactly

[prime elbow]

And what about this one? Should I keep the Hazpro or swap for skill dmg

[violet juniper]

Variety, dumbass

just because builds are optimal, doesn't mean they're fun

[bold leaf]

No need for that thank you

[violet juniper]

you wouldn't have got the message otherwise.

[bold leaf]

Try using better language

[prime elbow]

Feel that, trying to build smt new. Been running Striker for way too long

[violet juniper]

If you look at everything in the scope of purely what's best, FI healer and Striker should be the only builds in the game lmao

the main reason I don't play striker is because it's mind numbingly boring to play a point and click build

[solar sable]

Hotshot, Nego, regular HE, HF, HHF, Oxi, Mortar.... lots of builds.

[violet juniper]

exactly!

I'm literally using an M16 rifle rn, because it's the most fun weapon I've found so far

[prime elbow]

I'm so lost. Just trying to build a Status effect build with the Vile Mask

What set should I run

[bold leaf]

Eclipse

[violet juniper]

status? Either high end (wyvern, Hana-U, etc) or eclipse protocol

[solar sable]

you can try eclipse CC

[violet juniper]

fire eclipse is pretty fun

using fire sticky bomb

[prime elbow]

whats CC

[violet juniper]

Crowd control

[solar sable]

Crowd Control build, in the spreadsheet

[violet juniper]

ew, spreadsheet

[prime elbow]

Is China Light a good one?

or should I avoid it

[bold leaf]

It’s good for explosives

[prime elbow]

So It should run well with Vile right?

50% of the concussion granade

[bold leaf]

You’re wanting status effect with Vile, right? So Eclipse Protocol is the best

[prime elbow]

Both chest and backpack?

[bold leaf]

Definitely backpack

[violet juniper]

That's the explosive damage brand iirc, that's more for seeker mine or artillery builds

[prime elbow]

ok then, thx

[violet juniper]

no backpack

[prime elbow]

I see

[prime elbow]

why?

[bold leaf]

Backpack gives amp damage

[violet juniper]

please not the backpack, you want a backpack with creeping death

I've had it drilled into my head that the eclipse pack is not as good as it sounds

[bold leaf]

I thought the bag was necessary for fire etc but creeping death for foam

[violet juniper]

it's more expedient for damage status effects too

but... I'm not a skill build guy

you'd better off asking the opinion of the other guys here, I'm still under 1k SHD lmao

[bold leaf]

Or the spreadsheet

[prime elbow]

ok so the build goes: Vile Mask, Eclipse Protocol + chest or backpack and what else?

[violet juniper]

Chuck a wyvern or Golan piece in there

probably Golan, if you're running foam

[fresh fox]

it is for fire builds

[prime elbow]

Can I get a "Perfect Creeping Death" or just regular ?

[bold leaf]

A perfect version exists on The Courier

But it rolls armour core by default so might be a bit harder to get a good roll

[prime elbow]

what changes ?

[bold leaf]

Cooldown is down from 15 to 10s

[prime elbow]

thats it?

[bold leaf]

What more did you want

[prime elbow]

idk more range

[bold leaf]

Oh to be fair it might have slightly better range, I'll check

Yeah it's 10m on perfect instead of 8m on normal

[prime elbow]

thx, is the courier a backpack right?

[bold leaf]

Yep it's a Habsburg piece

[prime elbow]

Have to memorize the names still

Should I run The Scorpio or Capacitor?

[warm knot]

Capacitor, yes.

[bold leaf]

The recommendation is usually a shotgun with damage to armour and targets out of cover

[warm knot]

No, absolutely not.

[bold leaf]

What

[prime elbow]

Got this one, missing the mats to tinker it

[hexed steppe]

nah, didnt. skimmed. its not uncommon to see something like that posted seriously tho

[bold leaf]

"Increases damage per tick with skill damage from In Sync and damage to armor from the shotgun" ok not the dtoc part

Is the spreadsheet wrong?

[warm knot]

Its just that capacitor synergises better with status effects.

[bold leaf]

Ok so what was this for

[hexed steppe]

cap and shotgun both

[prime elbow]

and the Capacitor looks like this

[hexed steppe]

only fire/explosives tho. if itss cc neither is suggested

[warm knot]

Yeah but cap is better. Also it's got both dta and dttoo.

[hexed steppe]

cap offers more skill damage, but if you dont have time to stack it, the insync will perform better

dttooc only matters on oxi

[warm knot]

I know, but dttooc was mentioned. So...

[onyx sage]

yeah the dttooc just doesn't matter

[warm knot]

Oh yea, I forgot about The Mop. It has armor on kill instead.

[hexed steppe]

yup, mop my goto

on cc i use scorpio and lefty

[violet juniper]

What would the best talent be for this?

It's a burst fire

[onyx sage]

rifleman, boomerang are the usual ones

some universal ones also work like ranger, optimist

[violet juniper]

Probably boomerang, since it's 3 shots per trigger pull

[hexed steppe]

can it fit a linked laser

[warm knot]

It might be a weird choice but I go with the sleigher and scorpio

[violet juniper]

unfortunately, no underbarrel attachment, so no flatline

[hexed steppe]

oh damn

[warm knot]

I figured out you can stun lock that chunga boss from dua with that combo

[wheat current]

is the stealth build meaning system corruption unbreakable chest and exodus gloves any good? for a setup?

[violet juniper]

It's not an optimal weapon, but it's burst fire so I automatically must use it

[hexed steppe]

honestly i have no idea. thats more of a pvp thing i think

im sure in the right hands it could be good, but my hands def not

[violet juniper]

Also changed my set up, from a belstone holster to a palisade once since I swapped Emeline's guard for the rifle

[bold leaf]

Wouldn't sharpshooter be better?

[violet juniper]

I use demolitionist for crisis response and the ignore explosions perk

plus small laser pointer if I need it

[wheat current]

yeah the exodus gloves are good for bringing you out of combat in pve so for like 2 or 3 seconds unbreakable regens armor same with exodus and system corruption for that extra stealth for using your medkit thingy's

[violet juniper]

Oooo sharpshooter has breath control

[bold leaf]

15% extra stability on Bighorn and the M16 will be really good

[violet juniper]

yeah.. I'm gonna test it now in countdown

[bold leaf]

It says it improves or increases target acquisition too, though I've never worked out if that just means accuracy or some other stat

[violet juniper]

I'll miss the explosions perk though, that thing was great

[hexed steppe]

Laser mode activated

[violet juniper]

maybe reduce the amount of time needed to pulse?

[wheat current]

i also wanted to ask in here how the pulse thing works for the HB lol

[onyx sage]

with the 4p you shoot a head, the person gets pulsed

[bold leaf]

Yeah I'm not really sure. Accuracy is the only thing I could think that would be a trackable stat

[wheat current]

ah okay so that actually be really good with the bighorn then

[onyx sage]

you gain stacks when you shoot anything that is pulsed

[hexed steppe]

headshots, linked laser tech class attachment, pulse & gunner pulse, tac drone

pulse beacon 🥓

[onyx sage]

yeah, if in pve, then not everything has a head so you want to rely on more pulse avenues

[wheat current]

like the banshee pulse and such?

[onyx sage]

any pulse besides jammer

[wheat current]

ah okay yeah i didnt understand the pulse thing honestly

[hexed steppe]

flatline will also pulse after a number of kills

[bold leaf]

I go back to HB now and again but it never feels like the stacks go up quick enough for it to be worth it

[hexed steppe]

but just use the laser. its easiest and no cooldown

[wheat current]

i felt like i get alot of stacks with the bighorn idk though probably just me

[onyx sage]

no rpm buff and higher decay rate makes HB stacks not as sustainable, but then again you don't need to go above 100 stacks unlike striker

also weapon handling is a nice bonus since you're more accurate and shoot more sustained shots

[wheat current]

also has a bit more survivability too it unlike the striker set

[onyx sage]

yeah, all about tradeoffs

[hexed steppe]

although, if running the modifiers itll be pretty easy to oc a regular pulse .

[wheat current]

very true i like the striker set but i think HB is where its at for me i wished there wa sa really good skill set but i know you can use a skill set for good healing is about it <--- group healing wise atleast

[hexed steppe]

you need eclipse and mortar in your life then

[cerulean smelt]

depends. if a new "XP Exploit based on oxidizer" pops up (> <)

[onyx sage]

eclipse is goated

[wheat current]

if it does pop up most people just keep quiet about it for a long while before exposing it lol

[cerulean smelt]

true, true 🤔

[onyx sage]

well no, eclipse is quite high profile

[wheat current]

though i have played around with the nego set it felt pretty nice

[onyx sage]

there's just nothing exploit-y about it

[wheat current]

i wanna be like a plague bringer for the eclipse though i didnt feel the umph like i do with the striker set

[cerulean smelt]

but man, i'd sure love an oxidizer xp exploit with the current modifiers active. would probably gain some serious experience off of it. especially during a 5x xp event XD

[onyx sage]

it works on lower difficulties, world records for say hard are dominated by eclipse

[bold leaf]

The server instability is awful though with those exploits

[onyx sage]

but on higher difficulties eclipse control is used to lock down enemies so everyone cleans up

[cerulean smelt]

i know, but it'd be fun to be in on it XD

[wheat current]

i just went and lost in pvp for a bit in 5x exp and got from level 245 to almost 500 in like an hour or so lol

[cerulean smelt]

don't think i ever played much during the 5xp events so far

[onyx sage]

with master out i'm just getting on to do more runs with it

[hexed steppe]

the last few i only averaged like 250-300 levels during those weeks

[cerulean smelt]

i was hoping we could've used the master mission to boost low levels to 40, but doesn't give you the option 😢

[wheat current]

yeah i need to get my level 32 or something 40 lol

[minor summit]

Just started this game few days ago and just got to level 40. Does anyone have a build to share for me to start grinding hard and DZ with?

[gloomy spruce]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

That is a comprehensive guide to endgame builds

For PvE opt for Striker from that guide.