td2-build-advice

[versed flame]

something like this

[vestal ibex]

Yeah this is more min maxed toward rifle but it's totally overkill for solo heroic even.

[shy willow]

The handling from hotshot is great qol

But yeah BP is minmax

[vestal ibex]

But MMR doesn't help

[elfin summit]

Jeez. Well, uhh... is the Tardigrade good armor?

[vestal ibex]

Not really ever.

Stagger tank in IH and maybe if you wanna do perfect flawless incurison.

[boreal ingot]

Not sure, maybe if you tank in raid and other tank has vanguard

[vestal ibex]

What's the 1st-2nd-full HH stack damage on this? On an armored target?

[elfin summit]

Woah, woah. That's a bit unfamiliar to me. Was just fresh outta the Level 40 academy, that's all.

[vestal ibex]

Never too early to start tho.

[boreal ingot]

lol I'm Shade over 1000 but hve ever play 1 raid 2 times, and never touch it again XD

[vestal ibex]

Get the regulus at least?

[versed flame]

??

[worn mango]

I did the incursion once for an Oreo and haven't played anything else lol

[elfin summit]

Well, I'll see.

[vestal ibex]

HH is a building stacked talent, the first shot with no HH, second with half stack, and third(full HH) are the numbers that determin how good a HH build is.

For example it's like this

[boreal ingot]

until you met those pesky helmet and it reset again 😛

[vestal ibex]

First shot vs armor, second was against health, 11 mil is half HH, 20 mil is full HH.

[versed flame]

Well, from 5000000-22

[urban latch]

Chainkiller > habs

[vestal ibex]

HSD is a tiny increase and only helps on first shot really, typically not enough to make any difference.

[urban latch]

Especially with the 1886, chainkiller in important

[vestal ibex]

BTW those numbers came from this build.

Very little rifle damage in this build other than foxes.

Also no scan up so flatline not included.

[shy willow]

I'm gonna have to try the 1886 at some point

[vestal ibex]

It is crazy good, it's initial aim settling is just so much faster than snipers while having sniper rifle damage and the reload is crazy fast.

[versed flame]

yes)

[shy willow]

They buffed the mag size right

[vestal ibex]

8 shots now

[shy willow]

Sweett

[vestal ibex]

HHF version

I even have a DH backpack on lol

[hazy steeple]

Dalker and Harris?

This server used too many acronyms and initialisms.

[vestal ibex]

Exactly.(I have no idea if that's a reference)

[vestal ibex]

np, fr

[patent fossil]

Douglas & Warding

[worn mango]

Darvin Ham, basketball coach

[hazy steeple]

It is, but I also have no idea what a DH backpack is, unless it's one of the blueprints that drop in the 1st Raid.

[hazy steeple]

Or "double-ham", hmm Ham.

[worn mango]

If it ain't double ham, did you even have ham?

[vestal ibex]

Douglas & Harding, maree range pack yo. Good loot and everyone should get one.

[hazy steeple]

It sounds like a British Tailor.

[worn mango]

Imagine even using a pistol

47 Regulus' in my inventory clearly

[bold leaf]

I think the names of the D&H gear are at least Scottish in origin, e.g. the "Uisge" name

[hazy steeple]

I also just noticed this is a Regulus build, so the Rifle part is kinda redundant.

[vestal ibex]

It's partially to display how you don't need a "rifle build" exactly considering HH+weapon damage makes it an easy build.

Most people get stuck in making a perfect HH build someone linked them where it's typically not needed to be perfect as you might not hit any new breakpoints but explaining breakpoints and health pools and scaling and half stacks is just not easy for most people.

[bold leaf]

I definitely got stuck on the thinking that more HSD = better, but it eventually clicked that it doesn't really matter once HH gets going

[shy willow]

Can the 1886 do 4 man heroic elites actually

[vestal ibex]

At max stacks yeah but you'd have to red>purple>yellow if you wanted to only 1886 vs getting a stack on MMR then swapping.

[shy willow]

Ahh

[urban latch]

Or dch shot -> 1886

[vestal ibex]

First shot DCH regulus HHF within HF damage amp then 1886 on the next shots increasing damage cause HF stacking.

[boreal ingot]

Anyone as a dps build in situation where you can't maintain high stack consistently, so no Striker/Heartbreaker?

[onyx sage]

yes

in anything heroic or below (with some exceptions) it's hard to justify using striker/HB because enemies die too fast

i only use it in legendary, incursion and master tbh

[boreal ingot]

yeah aside from chunka and name, I never manage to build high stack once 😛

[hazy steeple]

@boreal ingot The list of builds that are updated to the current Season are all viable on Heroic, just pick one that doesn't require stacks, and have fun!

#td2-build-advice > 📌 > spreadsheet 2 > builds.

[boreal ingot]

oh I look at that, asking incase there is another

[cerulean smelt]

one of the many reasons i'm not a fan of striker/heartbreaker/memento

[boreal ingot]

yeah though in Memento case at least you can build when solo before hand, but damn it become a race when in group XD

[magic pilot]

For most stuff I run HHF, for incursion, countdown, summit (legendary), legendary missions I run striker usually or CC

OD is good, same with the pesti build

[cerulean smelt]

pesti build? 👀

[orchid gyro]

Do you have any suggestions, tips how can I make my build better? I know ceska chest with obliterate would be better but I couldn't get proper drop with right stats yet. I've been doing open world content and missions on heroic but it takes about 1-1.5 mag to drop yellow enemies without stacks, and names enemies or God forbid rogues manage to take me down with 3-5 bullets. I can't optimize my gear neither because there's lot of resources needed, and I don't have enough yet.

By the way, I'm focusing on pve for now

[versed flame]

Sombra, Fenris?Any of them is a vest

[cerulean smelt]

they need the ceska for the chc buff

no ceska and they drop to 44.3% chc

[versed flame]

ideally, yes!But as long as he can run with a sombra, Fenris, it's still better than a stryker vest -in the world!

[cerulean smelt]

why not walker and harris chest?

[versed flame]

well, yes, too, but I personally don't like this brand, imho, private

[cerulean smelt]

fair fair

[orchid gyro]

And what's the best way to get it? Summit, countdown? I mean, I'm not strong enough for countdown for higher difficulties, don't wanna feel like ballast for my team

Did summit run twice, that's the best I could get

[cerulean smelt]

do the ole floor 10 farm

[versed flame]

it's like an anchor-either one or three, preferably two walkers, imho)

[versed flame]

countdown!!

in my experience, from 1-10 runs

[cerulean smelt]

think even challenging countdown would be good enough

[versed flame]

👍 😉 eap

[neon wyvern]

Anyone got build recommendation currently shd 391 And cant decide what to run tbh

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages

[neon wyvern]

cheers

[hexed steppe]

mortar, everyone needs mortar in their life 😍

Mortar Supremacy

its also in the sheet

[worn mango]

Propoganda Broadcast from @hexed steppe

And just for me being stupid, is CC just the crowd control build?

Is that like the foam/oxy stuff?

[hexed steppe]

yes cc is foam/jammer/shock traps/emp sticky type of ep builds.

[worn mango]

I've tried stuff like that and I just don't like the vibe of it

But it's also not an open world type of thing to use is it?

[hexed steppe]

it can be, but it is a bit different gameplay. ill cc wherever and do fine. i usually just cc in countdown anymore, but missions/open world are easy as well.

[worn mango]

What's your favourite skill loadout? One for damage and one for control?

[gusty glade]

What’s the best bang for ur buck build?

[hexed steppe]

i think the hardest part of adapting to cc is recognizing and accepting you wont be top damage.

[worn mango]

I think knowing that you're being so useful is enough. Right now I've been running a PFE/Intimidate/Adrenaline Rush build and it's super fun knowing I can run down Hunters

[hexed steppe]

always mortar 😍
but i like fire eclipse, cc eclipse. i have a turret/drone setup that gives good aok, but dont use it a lot unless im farming for elite kills for some objective

[hexed steppe]

striker dps, fire eclipse protocol

[worn mango]

I gotta look at my EP build, maybe I have it wrong

[hexed steppe]

it is tbh. my hazpro cc is really satisfying to use. nothing like hitting a foam shot across turbine 😅

[worn mango]

Maybe I also just don't vibe with that gameplay

[hexed steppe]

fire or cc

[worn mango]

I believe I had a fire one setup. Gonna check it here in a minuyte

I believe it's the one on the sheet too. 4 piece with chest and back, vile, 1 piece golan/elec

[hexed steppe]

yeah, thats standard setup. rolls normally gonna be status and haste. anywhere you can squeeze in skill damage is gonna have a big impact since fire can utilize status and skill damage fir initial damage and tick damage (as long as the skill damage stacked before the fire shot)

[worn mango]

And that's burn sticky and burn chem?

[hexed steppe]

yes

[worn mango]

Maybe my gameplay loop isn't correct because even you mentioning skill damage prior to shots is blowing my mind lol

[versed flame]

Glass vest, more damage?!

[worn mango]

The only difference is mine is on Firewall and not Survivalist

[hexed steppe]

sure, but less duration and spread

[worn mango]

Are you looking for any specific caps on haste and duration?

[versed flame]

accepted!)

[hexed steppe]

thats fine tbh. im in teams a lot and surv benefits them for the amp if gives against statused npcs

[worn mango]

For sure

[hexed steppe]

both are solid on fire builds. actually the firewall sidearm will allow you to debuff warhounds so they burn as well

[worn mango]

So you first wanna shoot Capacitor for stacks, and then start launching fire?

[hexed steppe]

so hit the range with your ep. check the ticks at rest with no capacitor stacks, then fully proc capacitor and see the difference in the ticks. insync also a good secondary for the instant 30-40% skill damage *when you dont have time to stack cap

[worn mango]

Yeah I have in-sync on a shotgun

And then do you launch a firestarter and then use launcher or do you shoot it?

[hexed steppe]

dta also improves fire against armored targets

[hexed steppe]

i just double click the skill after the cloud is active. can shoot, or even rely on the npc to ignite themselves 😎

[worn mango]

I don't believe I knew you could double tap it lol

Or maybe I did and just forgot beacuse skills were never in my forte

[hexed steppe]

but basically you need the skilldamage before firing because the skill kinda takes a snapshot of the current attributes to calculate the damage/ticks

[worn mango]

So taking initial engagement in cover with Cap, build up stacks and then wreak havoc?

Because if done correctly, vile should spread fire to basically everything yeah?

[hexed steppe]

alot of times if its a cold shot ill use insync, then stack cap on the burning npc(s) for the next launch

vile is just an extra tick, the ep is what spreads. vile tick does facilitate this becasue they die faster, but it isnt the spreading mechanic

[worn mango]

Ah gotcha

Looking at the cc setup now, you basically just swap a piece out for a creeping death backpack so that's easy. With this build are you just going for having the longest duration essentially?

Things that will be emp'd or stickied?

[hexed steppe]

also why we dont suggest vile on cc. cc youll be using a creeping and opportunistic bag so no ep amp to up the tick damage

[worn mango]

Oh yeah just seeing that now. Grab the mask and chest, and keep an elec piece

[hexed steppe]

duration is determined by status effects so should be the same as fire ep. i spec into hazpro so i have a lot shorter duration. it isnt bad as long as the team is doing their part. every 10% status is around 1set duration on the foams

[worn mango]

Habsburg is in White House today, looks like I might be farming lol

[hexed steppe]

go countdown if you have multiplayer access

[worn mango]

Oh so your gear mods are hazpro huh

Oh yeah I can rock some countdown. Habs rolls armor, right?

[hexed steppe]

on my hazpro they mods are haste, then hazpro on the gear to hit 100%. this setup btw. but its basically a countdown setup. the choice was full hazpro for full immunity, or using disrupt resist mods to be disrupt immune

yes, armor

check if you have the blueprint, you may be able to craft it

i never added the setup to my last 🤦‍♂️

[worn mango]

Was just doing burn on a CP, I really just don't like it lol

[hexed steppe]

for normal content, running cc with all the status effects replacing the hazpro i have above will work well. you would haste secondary, and run either hanna or eletrique piece along with the bag you choose to use.

eclipse is a bit like oxi/mortar setups, if you know the spawns its way more effective. youll have to lead your targets with the cloud to account for the travel time. sticky burn is handy as an instant use. where ever you are aiming your weapon double clicking the skill button with launch sticky. its hitscan this way so it doesnt matter if they made it behind cover, if you could see them when applied its attached no matter what.

[worn mango]

Speaking of skills, I still haven't even put together the drone/turret one. Maybe I'm just an absolute hater of skills

[last crescent]

Any good build for darkzone?

[worn mango]

Check the build doc in the PVP section, tons there

[turbid thistle]

hey where to find a nice build pve plz?

[hexed steppe]

Check the pinned spreadsheet in this channel 📌

[turbid thistle]

ty 🙂

[hexed steppe]

All effective in game and te breakdowns usually have a couple variants.
Links to detailed breakdowns at the end of each build line

[turbid thistle]

i look thx for info

[dreamy valve]

I think tanking is a form of CC with mosquito

[fair dragon]

Ya think?

Nah it's just a more effective decoy 😂

[dreamy valve]

I’m thinking about making a blue hard wired build where you can spam decoy while still being able to tank with a bulwark shield

Maybe use Acosta backpack to overcharge both my shield and decoy

[fair dragon]

Yellow PFE Hardwire maybe

Oh wait, you like blue cores

[cerulean smelt]

not sure if the backpack would overcharge your decoy but your shield definitely

[hexed steppe]

why wouldnt it? never mind, im dumb and get it

[hexed steppe]

would need to be at skilltier 6

[warm knot]

@hexed steppe any suggestions?

[cerulean smelt]

That's the part I wasn't sure about. Like with the backpack could hit skill tier 2, technician skill tier 3, kard custom skilltier 4

[warm knot]

I'm at 52 chc and 201 chd

[cerulean smelt]

But 5 armor cores, I skill tier I could see oc shield

[hexed steppe]

personally i glass. but that sounds correct for elmo. should diversify your ammo with your secondary

[hexed steppe]

yeah i realized what you meant when i was putting together the need for 6 skilltiers 😅

[cerulean smelt]

Was going to say sounds pretty solid

[hexed steppe]

the nego is solid

[warm knot]

Actually my main is the Lexington. Not sure what to run in the secondary. I heard someone mentioning diamond or bluescreen

[cerulean smelt]

So I've been hearing lately

[hexed steppe]

i just go m1a cqb on mine

[cerulean smelt]

Well bluescreen can't be used with shield though

[warm knot]

Yeah, I'm not skilled enough to run glass... I'm also thinking about running spotter+technician...

[bold leaf]

I never got Negotiators. Unless I'm missing something? It seems odd to benefit the most from it by disengaging a target and switching to another, instead of just eliminating the first?

[hexed steppe]

ive used that befor as well. its not bad. youll lose a small amount of chance and no aok/rof increase

[cerulean smelt]

Nego you mark 5 targets then focus on tankiest enemy. Your critical will wipe out the other 4

[hexed steppe]

you pop a spawn and focus the highest health/armor

[hexed steppe]

only 3. noone uses the chest afaik. chest talent is more worth

[warm knot]

I have maxed dttooc m1cqb, but idk, I dont wanna change the talent. Is the urban mdr good?

[cerulean smelt]

Ah I forget which does which, just know you can get upto 5 targets

[shy willow]

Great multi target dps

[warm knot]

I have a maxed one stashed lol

[bold leaf]

ND bag is worth more, it transfers 112% of the damage to the other targets

[cerulean smelt]

Hell, I'd even be tempted to use the diamondback

[shy willow]

Can kill people cowering in cover, damage in immune phases it's great

[hexed steppe]

these are to 2 ways i run it. i also have a memento variant with ceska glass

[hexed steppe]

yeah bag is a must. some do run vigilance, but i keep a striker set in loadout if i run into something that needs more single target damage

[warm knot]

Worth of exp? I'm kinda disappointed with wasting so many resources on the FAL

[hexed steppe]

with full marks nd can outdamage striker btw. it just loses in single target damage. not having to stack is really nice tho

[cerulean smelt]

I'd say sure, put some kind of talent that helps getting crit damage on it

[shy willow]

I run boomerang on my spammy rifles

[cerulean smelt]

Good point

[shy willow]

Strega + ND so beautiful

[cerulean smelt]

Lol I could imagine

[bold leaf]

I thought that too but saw a video recently completely debunking it so now I have no idea lol

[shy willow]

The marks don't spread if they're killed by damage transfer but they do transfer off whoever you kill with bullets

But if you're using nego you'll be in situations where they're are enough enemies in proximity to stack up

[hexed steppe]

to really understand nego strengths you really need to use it for a solid chunk. making sure to keep 3 marks can be cumbersome at first, but youll subconsciously keep track of death sounds and know you need to mark something and shift. with the games pathing its really easy to pick up new marks. your best bet is to treat the build like highend red and everything else falls into place.

[last crescent]

This Heartbreaker build is good or should i add spotter (15-20% dmg to a pulse enem) to it ?

[hexed steppe]

question for someone that runs oxi build, what damage ticks do you see on average, and on what setup?

im seeing around 560k on this with insync mop procced, tech support procced. no oc active .

ik i have an unused skilltier and mop doesnt have dttooc, i plan to remedy the mop difficiencies soon

[hexed steppe]

use hb chest, and get a ceska vigilance bag when one becomes available

[last crescent]

wdym becomes available?

[hexed steppe]

when one drops if you dont have one in inventory

[last crescent]

oh

crit chance 8% right, instead of the providence with the 13% headshot

[shy willow]

Sounds about right

Can go higher with contractors/fox

[hexed steppe]

yup, hb is a crit starved set, unless youre going for a hsd variant

[last crescent]

gotcha, thanks for the idea, someone told me to use the spotted chest but dunno,

[hexed steppe]

i put contractors in and i think i lost a small amount of damage. ill go through and try a few things again tho so i can get some solid numbers i didnt forget 👴

[hexed steppe]

spotter chest is decent, but hb chest doubles the stacks available

i used spotter a lot on highend dps

[last crescent]

mmm cool, thanks for the advice

[magic pilot]

Change PGC to empress and run Fox

[hexed steppe]

but.. but.. my sacrifice.... ill check it out, thanks

[cerulean smelt]

Can try ceasars guard for a chance of getting 1 ammo back

You know in case pummel doesn't procc you get skilled to proc

[subtle bluff]

I'm trying gonna try out PGC and Murakami for oxi. My new normally the same empress, fox's and wyvern.

[subtle bluff]

DTTooC is biggest job.

[magic pilot]

Pummel sucks

And it's getting patched

[cerulean smelt]

Oh is it? For now it's awesome

[magic pilot]

It's really only used in kenly

I've never seen another situation where it's needed

[cerulean smelt]

Though I've only really found use of it with fire Chem launcher

[magic pilot]

You can run Capitol Hill in 12 minutes basically only using oxi and you don't need pummel to help with cooldown

[subtle bluff]

Monday we'll find out.

[cerulean smelt]

What's happening Monday? Tuesday I could see though

I want to make a status effect refactor build and maybe creeping death backpack? 🤔

[bold leaf]

Is it mortar time?

[hazy steeple]

Time zones are tricky.

[cerulean smelt]

Ohhh, hmmm

But was wanting to try and make a fire refactor build work

[subtle bluff]

Assuming Patch notes are released.

[hazy steeple]

Patch Notes drop straight after the stream, which is actually Tuesday for me, but only by an hour or so.

[bright raptor]

yeah Monday is the pre-season launch stream

[hazy steeple]

Your local time is listed in the Events tab on this Server (the very top of the list)

[cerulean smelt]

Mines tuesday

[hazy steeple]

Annoyingly, the usual link thing doesn't work.
It's the one above id:customize

[hexed steppe]

did someone say my name 😅

[cerulean smelt]

yes maybe? XD

[boreal ingot]

What is the best talent you given to m870 shotgun if you pair it with headhunter?

Breadbasket?

[fair dragon]

Brazen, Pummel

[boreal ingot]

Playing with Sniper build right now, unfortunately I have very bad aim so miss headshot a lot, especially against those bit*hes with helmet that run toward you. Though I do a bit better with Mantis and Decoy loop, no det though. IS there a way to improve Mantis build?

[fair dragon]

For the ones with helmets just do body shots.

[boreal ingot]

Yeah ut losing det 😦

[subtle bluff]

It's the downfall of HH/Determined builds.

[boreal ingot]

What I hate the most is no matter how low that bitc* hp was, if you shot her it will break helmet and not her hp

[subtle bluff]

With determined shot you mean?

[boreal ingot]

BTW is this normal in OW, I test my Mantis damage in tarfet range, it around 10M headshot and can kill elite with 1 shot without headhunter/hotshot buff, but somehow when I was in OW, 1 shot is not enough for some odd reason and yes with determine shot

[subtle bluff]

OW?

[boreal ingot]

Open World

[subtle bluff]

There’s a lot of stuff going on with range that you may not take to calculation in OW.

[boreal ingot]

ah true

[subtle bluff]

Range isn’t prefect. It’s a ok reference.
From what I’m getting is you’re on Heroic OW and you can’t one-shot HSD a yellow Elite ad?
Pic of your build?

[onyx sage]

prefect 🫵 😆

[subtle bluff]

English wurds….

[subtle bluff]

Are hitting an ad with a helmet?

[fair dragon]

then get a headshot kill ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[boreal ingot]

Pretty sure I'm not though

I put those bitches in different category it's the yellow one with white bar

[subtle bluff]

It can be good on nego but it's a weird playstyle and kind of slow. The talents synergize well with each other but ya..

[placid latch]

Honnestly, I would remove Mantis for a Nemesis for the starter shot

But a SR-1 should be plenty enough and use AR/SMG for close range quarter as second weapon.
Agreed, you need 2 hits in the head for the elite (if you have no red or no purple) but they normaly get throw back from the first shot. When they head up again, you can hit it again for the first kill.

[shy willow]

You don't get the amp on enemies that are targeting you

You get an indicator in your scope to tell you whether they are or not

[versed flame]

I don't like exotic rifles,the M700 with a 27 expe digital scope

[shy willow]

Mantis and nemesis are both really good

Sacrum is just shit and dread edict has a lot of potential but can be hard to use

[versed flame]

I'm not arguing!It's more about personal preference and convenience.

[hazy steeple]

This is the build advice channel, if you post your opinion in here, it's going to be discussed.

[versed flame]

??what is it?

[shy willow]

Its an SVD so it's super spammable, it stacks up to 40%wd, it gives bonus armour on reload, and automatically reloads on kill

Super fun gun

[versed flame]

Ah, I got it!I translated it incorrectly), well, yes, a specific thing)

[shy willow]

Main downside is forced scope

[subtle bluff]

or with hotshot it'll just keep auto reloading if you hit all your HS. It's good for some end bosses or stuff that have Heads and that can't be 1HS

[shy willow]

yeah hotshot dread great for helmets

[dreamy valve]

Wouldn't a Habsburg backpack be better than an Airaldi?

and a providence instead of fox prayer

[hazy steeple]

Read the details at the bottom of the page you took that screenshot from.

[dreamy valve]

its empty

[hazy steeple]

Fine then, above it.
You had to scroll past them to get to that picture.

[dreamy valve]

So would a 2pc habsburg, 2pc hotshot, 1 airaldi be better?

[hazy steeple]

I've seen that suggested before, I guess with foxes it could work alright.
Basically, you're trading 30% HSD for 20% MMR.
(which isn't actually 20% mmr, since it scales only off base damage, before the red cores are applied)

[dreamy valve]

Im wondering whats the most efficient balance between HSD and MMR

I'll be at the range bhuhuhuhh

[dreamy valve]

Ok, back from the range and here are my findings. Did a full charge Nemesis headshot kill into White Death for the following configurations with all gear attributes fully optimized during testing, all numbers are non crit headshots:

Seems leaning into weapon damage was the right move all along then, although the difference of 2 million damage based on these configurations might seem minimal to certain users who want setups adjusted for their own needs over optimized damage like more survivability/utility

[versed flame]

be careful, otherwise some people get very sick-if there are not 4 things in the green set....))))😜

[dreamy valve]

hmm, didn't think about using 4pc, might do that later. I did do a full high end version just for kicks

The HH loadout that was posted in pins did pretty good, nearly at the top of the setups I had

[hazy steeple]

Hotshot is one of the maybe 2-3 cases where using less than 4 is advised.

You can get away with 2 for sure, especially if you want to go for the 100% stability option. Stupidly fun, highly recommended.

[versed flame]

Yes!In this set, it's definitely a plus!

[hazy steeple]

There's a hazpro setup for EP, and some weirdos (used to?) like a fire-rate buff for a niche PvP setup (using Strikers).
I think that's about it.

[versed summit]

Hazpro with ep is just worse than Cav now

[cerulean smelt]

i'm probably one of them, i just feel it's a nerf if you use less than 4 pieces

[versed flame]

I'm not specifically talking about this set!there are many others in the game), and not always using 4 is such a plus)I was talking about it.

[hazy steeple]

On Hotshot, it's actually a buff.
Since the chest+backpack are both useless, and the 4pc buff is just a worse Aces.

[cerulean smelt]

then again i never looked at the 2-3 piece set for hotshot so i wouldn't know what it all has

[hazy steeple]

2pc: +30% Marksman Rifle Damage "30%Weapon Handling"
3pc: +30% HSD

That WH buff gets you well on your way to 100% Stability.

[versed flame]

the nuance is still in red Habsburg!I have 6, one each, but I have 9k lvl)

[cerulean smelt]

hmm, that wouldn't be bad, i looked at the sheet and was like why isn't aces and eights there, it gives the same 2 and 3 pc stuff as well, then saw the 2pc rifle damage and was like there's the huge difference

[hazy steeple]

Aces only recently got that rifle buff too, it's nice it has a new life.

[dreamy valve]

Let me see your 6 pc Habsburg setup

[cerulean smelt]

oh? wasn't always there?

[hazy steeple]

Nope! Aces was the MMR setup since 2019, right up until Hotshot dropped a few years back.
High-end was the other option, but eh, not quite Aces.

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i remember the first set of aces, then the rework version. just didn't recall the bonuses those recieved in teh 2-3 pc set up

the MMR and HSD was always there at least i think?

[hazy steeple]

Yeah it was always a powerhouse MMR setup.

IIRC it was around when Rifles got their glow-up.

[cerulean smelt]

that would make sense

well, there was a guy who i used to chat with came up with some odd NBB 2 hotshot and a few other high end pieces i think to try and push that HSD to it's maximum

just looked at a brand sheet and i notice we don't have a brand that 1 gives chc/c and 2 gives us the other chc/d. would be nice if they gave us something like that 🤔

[onyx sage]

which is the wrong thing to optimize for

[vestal ibex]

You should give the three shots no stacks-half HH-full HH cause top damage isn't the entire picture.

[versed flame]

deceived alas))I only have 5, no holster!(Strangely, I was sure there was every item...

[vestal ibex]

Cause all you've shown is what has the highest MMR damage with top damage numbers.

[onyx sage]

the ramp up speed is more important

[dreamy valve]

There alot of ways to test the numbers, I was interested in the benchmark for a single stack into the main weapon. If you have time to share those non stacks, that would be great

I couldn't go back to the game right now

[last crescent]

What yall think of a heartbreaker set, (4 pieces), cartasis, and perfect spotter (everything with defense and Critical damage and critical chance) with king breaker and acs12

Instead of this

[cerulean smelt]

i'm confused? you're asking us about a set up that the picture is exactly of it and you're Instead of this part?

[bright raptor]

Perf Spotter instead of the gearset chest

[cerulean smelt]

ohhh

[last crescent]

I’m asking about the message, because I don’t have a picture, the picture is what I’m running atm

[hazy steeple]

I wouldn't pick Perfect Spotter, but the base version w/Ceska could work.

[cerulean smelt]

thought the spotter was the talent on weapon, been awhile for me XD

[bright raptor]

which I would not really recommend, the extra armor per stack the backpack offers is not as strong as what the extra stacks on the chest provide

[cerulean smelt]

think the coyote is a neccessity for heartbreaker to reach that chc sweet spot and then be able to get some chd in as well?

[bright raptor]

Coyote is primarily for the CHD on talent trigger in my experience, a Ceska Vigilance pack with double crit rolls already gets you to the sweet spot

[cerulean smelt]

ah ok, wasn't sure since i tried heartbreaker when it came out and wasn't impressed and it went into my stash then poof for materials

[near mason]

Yeah

What build do I need for master difficulty

[near mason]

Same with the Incursion

[cerulean smelt]

not sure what the 2 people that carried me through it ran but they primarily used st elmo, could've beena couple striker builds far as i know

[bright raptor]

3 other players willing to coordinate over voice

[near mason]

Well i do have multiple striker builds

Do i need to be tankier or all red cores

[cerulean smelt]

i didn't even ran mine with voice. they just told me the different parts in game text and i was like ah ok

[bright raptor]

Incursion is relatively straightforward for DPS - all red, all crit, chest and backpack

[near mason]

What talent

[near mason]

And so no blues?

[vestal ibex]

Incursion is all about damage.

[cerulean smelt]

chest probably obliterate? not many people are fans of glass cannon XD

[onyx sage]

no blues

[hazy steeple]

I took an OD setup, was a good buff, although going in totally blind wasn't fun. I recommend looking up a guide first.

[bright raptor]

The gearset chest and backpack do not have high end chest talents

[near mason]

As am I not a fan of Glass cannon

[cerulean smelt]

i am XD

[hazy steeple]

Since they're high-end enemies, a case can be made for the Striker chest.
if not: obliterate.

Just copy the build that's in the spreadsheet (📌 pinned in this channel)

[near mason]

Well, what if I'm a tank with glass cannon maybe it'll work?

[vestal ibex]

If you get carried it'll work.

[cerulean smelt]

i'm a terrible player. i've managed to cheese the mission upto the 4th area and died. called for help and had to start it all over again

[near mason]

Damn

[near mason]

I'm terrible in PvP

I copied a build from RogueGold but I really can't play like him in PvP

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i'm all PVE soloer so yeah

[urban latch]

Glass cannon + blue cores is like 1 step forward and two steps back. If you care at all about survivability in your build, glass cannon is not helpful.

[near mason]

Yeah I haven't used it or smth but I was just asking cause I got a lot of striker builds and Hunters Fury

[cerulean smelt]

think i was running a 4pc striker, palasades obliterate and liquid engineer backpack with pestilence. noticed they'd get shocked periodically so i swapped to elmo's and was able to 3 man it and even 2 man a couple parts as one of them left for real life stuff and came back to help finish it

so it's tough, but not overtly tough. ran it blind too not expecting a few different changes here and there but wasn't bad though

[cerulean smelt]

wasn't at a computer at the time you posted this. what's the backpack talent? Tech Support?

[versed summit]

Yes

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i went looked it up and wonder if that's a lot better than what i run XD

[dreamy valve]

I did Master with 3 french players using a PFE build first time. Don't need voice, text with google translate will do

[near mason]

Alright man thanks

If anyone is up for it let's do one later today

[cerulean smelt]

if you want survivablity, can attempt an Aegis build, chill out mask and maybe if you got it that unbreakable exotic chest (forget it's name)

[versed summit]

Don’t use aegis

[near mason]

No aegis is bad imo

[cerulean smelt]

spec Survivalist and ahve 58% PFE XD

[near mason]

Tardigrade?

[cerulean smelt]

thanks XD

[lethal bay]

I put together 80% PFE - 59% CHC - 127% CHD - 90% HSD + Oreo as main gun. Works nice in Master Difficulty. I can keep fighting while everyone else is on the floor. 2 blues 4 reds

[near mason]

What pieces

[cerulean smelt]

80% pfe, maybe 3 improvised?

[lethal bay]

3 Gila (Chill Out Mask) + 3 improvised pieces. It allows me to swap to any spec I want. And I went with the one, which gives Crusader Shield

[cerulean smelt]

firewall?

[versed summit]

Striker shield from firewall likely

[dreamy valve]

This was my 80% setup with Bulwark and defender drone:

Master Elites be like

[lethal bay]

Yeap, thanks

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, was going to say survivalist would probably have to be there for that extra 10% pfe

[lethal bay]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/830734691237494786/1343286146167341176/image.png?ex=67bcb836&is=67bb66b6&hm=0eb3a3c8efcd9820ca50f4f7dc07e423b614439d69cffa2b3406d564c213afab&

Here's mine

[versed summit]

Pfe striker is honestly a better option IMO

[lethal bay]

I might consider throwing away revive hive. Haven't used it once

[dreamy valve]

I did 2 billion damage over the course of the run at 6 blue cores

[lethal bay]

I agree, but it's for fun and giggles, you know 🙂

[near mason]

Where do you farm for mods for ur equipment

[cerulean smelt]

best place with mass loot would be countdown, otherwise taking your time summit

[near mason]

There isn't a daily loot allocation for it

[cerulean smelt]

both you can set your own loot for what drops in both

[near mason]

I got a few maxed out rolls on mods the rest isn't maxed out

[bright raptor]

there are more gun classes, gear brands, gearsets and mod types than neighborhoods and missions now

Countdown or Summit is the answer for when the target loot is not in the zone, mission or whatever else you might want to play

[near mason]

I'd like to get CHC or CHD or PFE mods

[versed summit]

It can take a while to get max mods, I wouldn’t stress it too much tbh. Heroic countdown is probably your best bet tho

[versed summit]

Max pfe mods are entirely rng very very rare. If you have 12s that’s fine

[near mason]

I've done only challenging countdown is there much of a difference in difficulty?

[versed summit]

A bit, challenging is more worthwhile generally, but if you’re looking for maxed mods heroic will be a little better

[near mason]

I've gotten like 30 or smth exotics from challenging countdown

[near mason]

Deconstructed some of them for their exotic component

[near mason]

Alright man I'll try a Heroic Countdown

[dreamy valve]

Have you tried the LFG playstation channel? Chances are you might get carried without having to build for a new loadout today

[near mason]

Yeah I've gotten so much help for more current builds cause the builds i had were kinda bad haha

[cerulean smelt]

nods first day people were probably just trying to figure it out, then it's all just like ok let's carry others through it XD

[near mason]

Or at least they were good when TU 16 hit

Like 2 years ago

[cerulean smelt]

think some are still good, just tweaked a bit

[near mason]

Yeah exactly

[cerulean smelt]

like Picaro's holster probably was a must have in every build kind of scenario but it got nerfed so now it's just collecting dust

[near mason]

Why was it good when it came out

Or why was it nerfed

[cerulean smelt]

no clue, now we only get 10% weapon damage on it

[near mason]

I dropped the game when they were doing re-runs of s1 to s4

[cerulean smelt]

wow, that's more than 2 year isn't it? or wait maybe it was 2 years?

[near mason]

Yeah it was 2 years

[cerulean smelt]

but yeah, picaro's you'd be able to have it on with an Armor core or skill tier and ahve 15% weapon damage

[versed summit]

Can’t think of when it was a must have lol. More like a trap

[cerulean smelt]

maybe not, but for me i loved it with the 15% weapon damage XD and felt like it did help with some builds

you know like, 4pc striker, picaro's with full armor core and memento would still give you extra fire power, 2 armor cores to keep you alive a bit longer and then picking up them trophies a bit more damage and especially survivability

[versed summit]

Blue core Česká was better

Just a trap if you’re not doing a PvP build or using the 2 pc

[cerulean smelt]

i've always tried to make a hybrid with it and couldn't come up with anything usable

like thinking hitting that 6 skill tier with picaro's + memento or nbb and capacitor could go over that 6 weapon core damage off of it, but felt it lack any ooomph and gave up XD

[versed summit]

I’ve done it with turret drone. It works pretty well as a hybrid. Your turret drone will do about a 3rd of what you’re doing, so it adds a little utility there.

[cerulean smelt]

but who knows i could've been influenced by a streamer who vouched for it being good

[onyx sage]

that's why you trust no one and test yourself 🗣️

[rich lotus]

Nah

Don’t wanna

[versed summit]

You probably shouldn’t tbh

[gloomy spruce]

I just blindly rely on the experts and test nothing. Testing is how you get failing grades. If you never test, you never fail!

The best way of never finding out you have cancer is to never get tested for cancer!

[rich lotus]

I only trust asians or if their name is raucey

thats not racist

[versed summit]

is this dod slander?

[rich lotus]

slander? that guy is on the same level as the rest of the content creators

in fact he might be worse

[stable marten]

Is big horn only available from legendary level missions?

[rich lotus]

also has no understanding of the game, prob dm's raucey everytime he needs to understand something

[bold leaf]

Legendary bosses, so missions and summit

[stable marten]

Ah bosses ok thank you 🙏🏽

[cerulean smelt]

i'd feel summit would probably be the fastest? since you can run 1-9 on whatever difficulty you want, normal being the fastest obviously. then once on 10th go back to lobby change to legendary, invite people to your game i think? and just farm the boss, die, respawn and repeat

[bold leaf]

Solo floor 10 on repeat is going to be the easiest

[bold leaf]

I'm curious what makes you say that he has no understanding?

[bold leaf]

Is that it?

[rich lotus]

yeah guys proccing all 3 chameleon buffs is really realistic and optimal for dps

im not finding every piece of evidence rn i cba

[bold leaf]

Ok but a sweeping statement like that should come with more than a single screenshot from a YT video that's probably out of date lol

[rich lotus]

so no matter when that video was posted

[cerulean smelt]

i feel at least lisening to him, he's not talking to us like we're all idiots. 2 others i tend to see a lot of videos from their voices just make it sound like "i'm talking to you idiots"

[rich lotus]

it is just not true

[versed summit]

I mean that was literally just in incursion for lovebirds

[rich lotus]

😭

[bold leaf]

There is so much hyperbole and misleading information on YT in respect to builds in this game. At least he attempts to break down why something is good or bad

Some of his takes are a bit strange, I'll admit, but like cmon one video does not make him have no understanding

[dreamy valve]

He loves Chameleon, don't hold it against him!

https://youtu.be/JmcA9LIIXWw?si=UtvqZXwjCjlS14lz

[cerulean smelt]

was wondering what that picture was about. all i could see was something about macros copying over

[dreamy valve]

Ok, Ive done some more HH testing, this time with 4pc hotshot:

Looks like the performance is pretty comparable if you can land the second headshot

[bold leaf]

Is the aim here to reach maximum output on headshots? Or the highest initial damage on entering combat?

[dreamy valve]

well the data is from stacking HH damage once with Nemesis, then HH determine with White Death

I think theres merit in the 4pc Hotshot, as you do get that great mag refill if you manage to get enough kills

White Death would be happy to have that

[vestal ibex]

White death is top fed unless empty then it's stripper clip.

It's qol and doesn't matter for top damage

[bold leaf]

For me the reload bonus from 4c hs isn't necessary. I've rarely been in a situation where hotshot is the best option and there are sufficient enemies in combat at once where I also can't manually reload safely

[dreamy valve]

I use the Carbon 700 myself

[vestal ibex]

Really all you've shown here with the provided numbers is none of it matters.

[bold leaf]

Put on chainkiller, 5 level 1 grey pieces, White Death and do testing with that xD

[vestal ibex]

Solo heroic top stacks on white death will clear content

[dreamy valve]

it was to satiate my own curiosity, as I have not seen anyone post their own findings chill out bruh

[cerulean smelt]

nah, souless wants to see your burn on that boat you started ;p

[vestal ibex]

Top damage on any MMR build mostly comes down to how much weapon damage you have meaning a bigger number.

[dreamy valve]

sure, just wanted to see the actual numbers thats all

whats the harm in that my friend

[vestal ibex]

No one implied harm?

[dreamy valve]

it was rhetorical

[bold leaf]

I saw a speedrun last night with the most insane sniper damage; they got to 200 striker stacks with an ACS12 and Busy Little Bee then hot swapped to Vig/HH and fired a sniper shot for like 200 million or something

[vestal ibex]

The only meaningful difference in these builds wasn't even shown so it's just kinda sad

[cerulean smelt]

you know when hotshot was introduced there used to be a huge bug associated with it?

[bold leaf]

Nope I wasn't playing at that point

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i built up hotshot stacks in targeting range. ran out of BOO with an AR and i was stuck at maximum damage no matter what i hit XD

[bold leaf]

Omg

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i was like "um this is broken?"

then it left PTS fixed, was hilarious

[dreamy valve]

If you got those differences to share by all mean do so, not here to counter argue if my testing was the be all end all in how to play sniper

[cerulean smelt]

i'd be curious myself, but i don't play sniper builds because i just suck and need to depend on determined to get my headshots for sniper builds

not sure if it's possible, but i'd love to see a descent run with Regicide + determined O_O

[vestal ibex]

I'm just saying that comparing top damage of these builds when it's only needed to kill an over healed medic in 4 man legendary where showing your non stacked nem first shot along side the top damage would show if one is better than the other. Top damage isn't a good indicator in most cases.

[dreamy valve]

I don't play much sniper either. These days I headshot with a high end rifle build without using scopes

[cerulean smelt]

better than me, anytime i play HH i miss heads a whole lot

[onyx sage]

what he's saying is top damage number is not the important metric for a sniper build. people don't really focus on that number or post about it for good reason

[bold leaf]

I only miss heads because the game decides the shot I have lined up on their head will magically not count, or the enemy is dancing, dodging and diving all over the place and won't stay still

[dreamy valve]

Right, and the testing was done in a range, barring all situations and scenarios outside of that data. Just wanted to see what the Benchmark numbers within that controlled space was. Don't worry, about it guys

[onyx sage]

superfluous comma, get him

[cerulean smelt]

that was probably me in the range with status effect refactor (> <) then i got a bright idea. set to very hard on AOE section. fire a fire sticky at them whiel near the harm self button. ignited the aoe target hit the hurt self and was like "OMG WE CAN BE NEARLY IMMORTAL!"

[vestal ibex]

Range testing is fine for sniper test as long as you use chat text or read the pop up number. Just what makes a sniper build good is a mix of things not it's top damage typically. I'd hate for someone to pick up a harder to farm/worse build over all cause they saw a pic in a discord that had big number.

[cerulean smelt]

then went to a mission and tried it, died on one enemy on fire and was like welp i thought it'd be great XD

[dreamy valve]

well, thats on them to decide what to use at the end of the day, our advice and findings are not definitive, no matter who it is here

one does what they want

[cerulean smelt]

i'd blame the person who just saw the picture and was like "OMG i need that build!" but finds out it's not possible

[bold leaf]

This is what people do though, they find a build on YT, copy it exactly and then think they're ready for end game

[cerulean smelt]

those poor souls probably watch youtube videos with click baitable titles and set out to build it and get disappointed in it then come here and ask what do?

[bold leaf]

Yep exactly

[onyx sage]

but guys, my 5p 5.11 build with dodge city hits for idk 20mil on the regulus and then like piss every shot after

[cerulean smelt]

then probably argue with you guys that this streamer said x does y and ends in z. even if you're trying to educate them on the math behind the game XD

[dreamy valve]

I'm not forcing anyone to use what, and I don't think anyone here should either. Go ahead with your 6pc Hotshot build for all I care

might still be better than a pug loadout

[onyx sage]

classified hotshot build

[dreamy valve]

This is what I like to use

Laser beaming without having to scope for heads, even at full auto

a non sniper, sniper build

Im gunna do some UIC MOD testing next season, see if Ranger or Rifleman would be better on it in actual combat

[bold leaf]

12,911,276 is the highest this will go to with the White Death and max HH stacks

[vestal ibex]

Yeah solo heroic elite is under 10 ez. I've cleared CPs with it.

I started nem then swapped tho

[bold leaf]

I will try it but I suspect I will die instantly xD

It's like 5x PGC

[vestal ibex]

Yeah your armor bar is like 3 bars or something lol

[bold leaf]

Yup lol

[dreamy valve]

I think you can clear legendary missions with it

[bold leaf]

I've seen it done with Regulus, alas I don't have that yet

[onyx sage]

solo master an elite dies with 14mil lol

though i would also make the m870 be high end, that thing really shines in hh

[dreamy valve]

yeah great for rushers, heavies there

[bold leaf]

This is, sadly, insufficient armour xD

[dreamy valve]

Hardcore mode it is

[lethal bay]

Mind sharing, please? Would like to try it as well)

[dreamy valve]

That’s just 3 pfe mods slapped on right?

Or 4

[junior stump]

hey guys havent been on td2 in a while and wanted to get back on just a quick question about builds, what's the best rifle/marksman headshot build currently? because i just love sniping and headshots

[cerulean smelt]

@dreamy valve wanna give george your take on sniper builds or leave it to someone else?

[lethal bay]

and surv spec I guess?)

[dreamy valve]

I’ll be the pinned link director for today, so here it is!

https://lite.evernote.com/note/ee351aec-69d7-ae1d-ecfd-b79c6d55fd20

[junior stump]

thank you very much sir

[dreamy valve]

I’ll leave it to the spreadsheet as always

Much easier to just divest responsibility

I’m in a Stock Market server, and for some reason, the financial advice over there is much less serious than in here

[dreamy valve]

Hmm prob

[onyx sage]

i mean stock market meta is always changing

[dreamy valve]

It does and it does not

[onyx sage]

but this game is super stagnant so we know what to do always

[dreamy valve]

We’ll see with the new content they got cooking

[onyx sage]

hopefully

the next modifiers are a lot more refreshing

[cerulean smelt]

nah, i think it'll be stagnant still

[onyx sage]

literally all the content we got has been a new difficulty within 1 mission

[cerulean smelt]

that i didn't experience as i wasn't a fan of this seasons and thought it'd be a repeat with other ridiculous things put in

[onyx sage]

not missing out on much

[dreamy valve]

I’m just bored from waiting on the Monster Hunter Wilds launch myself, and guess what I’ll be doing over there, that’s right shooting up dinosaurs with more guns, just like I’ve been doing for 6 years in this game

[outer sable]

Does anyone have a build for division 2 version of tactician authority? Is it even possible to get the one shot sticky bomb damage?

[cerulean smelt]

with probably more difficulty involve?

[cerulean smelt]

no one shot sticky i don't think

[outer sable]

Dang. What's the next best thing? Turret and striker drone?

[dreamy valve]

It is a classic combo, but no boom boom like you wanted

[subtle bluff]

classic/lazy/noobish

[outer sable]

I want big boom and funny number :<

[fresh fox]

mortar build

oh yea #mortar

[subtle bluff]

mortar boooom

[tulip charm]

mortar gets 5 big boom

[fresh fox]

then it goes on cooldown then you get another 5 big booms later

[worn mango]

Double chunk chocolate mortar

@hexed steppe ended up making the CC version, still looking for the double yellow Habsburg so I can roll skill tier on it but it's just so nice to have everything pulsed and then whatever for CC

Using blinder just because I need to do proficiency on it but I feel like I'm super utility lol

[hexed steppe]

No 1 shot sticky, but a really strong mortar setup is really solid.

[hexed steppe]

Double check to see if you have the blueprint for courier. When I was still using perf creeping I ended up crafting/optimizing to save on farming time

[worn mango]

Makes sense. I don't have any of the descent ones but I'll check when I'm back on the game

Let me see if I get this right though, with Perpetutation, can you foam one person and then it spreads to everything within 10M?

[hexed steppe]

No, perpetuation is weapon talent. Boosts status effects but only on status applied by a skill. Death spread wont see benefit even if it spends it

[worn mango]

I'm watching a DUA legendary speed run, they all get pulsed and then all of a sudden they're all foamed

Creeping Death is the spreader, yeah that's me misquoting

[hexed steppe]

Perfect creeping is 10m from the npc that gets hit by status. If it's ready to proc perf creeping will spread 10m from one of the npcs hit by te transfer. Effectively giving 25m spread in 1 direction, but at the reduced duration

[worn mango]

Is that what was essentially happening in what I was seeing or is that some other skill nonsense?

[vestal ibex]

link vid time stamped

[hexed steppe]

Possibly. I would have to see the vid tho to be sure. Dms ok if you have a link

[vestal ibex]

Link in here should be fine cause it's not their vid.

[worn mango]

https://youtu.be/Ut4WQTdqmgI?t=63 You basically see it right after this and the entire hallway section

The speed stats are always mind boggling and just knowing what's going on is enough for me

[vestal ibex]

Yeah creeping

The POV in linked in the vid you put of the person doing CC

[worn mango]

Ah okay so that's why pulse/foam is the combo suggested, got it

So they popped pulse and then someone else popped foam?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah

You can see everyone skills here.

[worn mango]

So I see firewall shield, EMP (?), foam and pulse

I'm guessing they have pulses coordinated so that when one is on cooldown someone else can do it

[vestal ibex]

The other one is a jammer.

[worn mango]

Oh that's jammer yeah, that's for electronics mostly yeah?

[vestal ibex]

It depends on your needs in your run. Not everyone does it the same exact way.

[worn mango]

For sure

Well good to know that I'm on the right path for this CC stuff just to switch it up in Countdown

Doing the same old was getting boring so wanted to be more utility and actually learn some other tech

[near mason]

How to get new Exotic handguns?

Did a few countdown sessions

No exotic

[obsidian bobcat]

keep trying

[near mason]

Don't tell me they were also times exclusives

[obsidian bobcat]

which one

[solar sable]

nah, not afaik

[near mason]

Busy little bee

[obsidian bobcat]

no thats still around

[near mason]

And mosquito

[solar sable]

blb ain't new tho
you're just unlucky

neither are new

[obsidian bobcat]

just keep doing countdown they'll drop eventually

[near mason]

Alr

[obsidian bobcat]

i was like that with coyote's mask it took me forever to get one u just gotta keep trying

[near mason]

Coyote mask?

Really🤣 I got like 50 of those

My only problem are the new ones

[obsidian bobcat]

i feel that i ran so many countdowns trying to get vile but no luck

[near mason]

Really

Those were the first of the new exotics when the first seasons came

They were in the season pass that cost like 10$

[hexed steppe]

I couldn't see good on my phone. I'm guessing, but was there was an oc with the foam

[fresh fox]

nope

just creeping

https://youtu.be/KRpgJWnFhcY?t=73

foamer pov of the same thing

[hexed steppe]

I'll check it out on pc when I get home. 👴

Phones and old dont always mix well

[fresh fox]

its quite literally just creeping foam

[lavish flare]

Is the Mantis a good sniper to use for a one hit sniper build?

[fresh fox]

its ok

[hexed steppe]

If you can nail heads, yeah

[lavish flare]

I imagine that it wouldnt one tap outside of headshots

I find them easy to hit in this game though

Players and npcs alike

What about something with the diamondback? Or do you think that it would be better without an exotic sniper?

[fresh fox]

different use cases/builds

[fresh fox]

with headhunter it could one shot body

[hexed steppe]

It might depending on the npc and your setup but with mantis HH will lose proc on body shot

[fresh fox]

but then you lose stacks

[lavish flare]

fair

[hexed steppe]

With a highend like m700 carbon + determined will chain body as headshots after the first actual headshot kill

[lavish flare]

If im not looking for something like that would the mantis.. or diamondback be better?

Also in posession of the edict, something along those lines

[fresh fox]

different use cases/builds

diamondback isnt a headhunting weapon

[lavish flare]

Ah ok fair

For something headhunting focused then, what do you recommend? A highend like the m700 or mantis? I dont much care for chaining bodies

Interested in maximizing my headshot damage

[fresh fox]

m700 because determined exists

[lavish flare]

oo kk

[hexed steppe]

Determined registers the bodyshots as headshots, but I get some dont like to use it, which is fair

Outside of determined, mantis probably best option with the talent+decoy

[shy willow]

If you ain't running determined then mantis is probably the next best thing

I prefer it over determined anyway infinite decoys are fun

[thin olive]

I'm at 14/16 Saved builds, with my 15 going to Refractor.
I currelty have:

• Artillery ( x2 grupo x2 hanna waveform strategic)
• Assault Artificer ( x2 empress x2 hanna btsu)
• Decoy/Drone ( 4p rigger x2 empress)
• Cluster spam ( 4p damage hardwire chinabtsu )
• Blind spam ( 4p status hardwrie alps btsu )
• basic b eclipse ( 4p eclipse vile , snowmachine )
• basic b healer ( 4p future hermano btsu )
• pulse Ongoing ( 4p skill haste yellow ongoing cayote setup)
• basic b striker ( 4p striker grupo cayote )
• 3 dot pesty ( 4p ongoing vile contact )
• negociator ( 4p negociator centurian contractor )
• basic b sniper ( 4p hot chain thegift )
• Armor buffer ( 4p foundery pointman , lavoiser )
• Big tank guy ( 4p foundery catarsis mother lover )

My nr 15 will be

• Drone/oxidiser + turret (4p refractor + ninja pack + 2p empress

So I'm asking for help to set up my last build ( I'm not asking for help on my existing ones )
Just want something that i'm not using.

[bronze hound]

Why the gift on a sniper build

[turbid thistle]

i search a build tank solo/group for legendary

[bright raptor]

If you aren't chasing the Habs + Airaldi + 3x Hotshot unicorn build, the Providence 1x bonus to headshot damage is now identical to the 1x Habs bonus

[turbid thistle]

can help me plz ?

[thin olive]

The 1p Providecen gives 15 HS and Perfect Vigilance.

[bronze hound]

Why not 1pc airaldi

[vestal ibex]

13% now

[vestal ibex]

Really MMR damage is so high it doesn't make too much of a difference.

[bronze hound]

But airaldi is better still?

[vestal ibex]

I could boot up and give you the actual damage difference if you want but it wouldn't be much. No difference in break points building stacks and it'll be enough to kill the same things in 4 man legendary. Maybe you have a different definition of better but idk what that is.

Airaldi

Prov

no pulse applied for either

[outer sable]

Just stack skill dmg for motor?

[hexed steppe]

tbf, if you post up a list of builds, they are gonna be discussed or questioned regardless if you are asking for help on them...

i fail to see why you would only 2pc empress, other than the planned drone/oxi since ninja makes up the 3rd. you could use 2 hanna in any of those spots and get more bang for your buck. haste > skill health. granted assault artificer uses both empr/hanna 2pc, but doesnt list a 6th piece. generally speaking empress is 3 empress or no empress, the skill efficiency fills all skill buckets (skill damage/status effects/skill health/skill duration/skill repair/skill haste all affected)

-im gonna challenge the nego setup with centurion and contractors. the nego chest is a pretty big drawback, especially if it isnt being maintained with 5 targets. i would say glass is pretty superior to contractors in this case , hell oblit would be stronger as well. im not gonna touch the holster, i havent given it any time so dont have valid opinion about it. personally i setup with ceska glass/fox's or grupo glass/coyote

-for the build you are asking about , i think ninja is only gonna hinder the build. its gonna block you from improving your oxi/drone damage by trading a total skill damage(effectively an amp if only one source) talent like tech support for a pretty bad 8% regular skill damage (additive with other sd rolls). also, will you be using a highend chest with damage talent, or the refractor chest? personally i would go with yellow sacrifice pgc/wyvern tech support bag. or 2 hanna of not using pgc.

[hexed steppe]

youll stack skill damage and explosive damage where you can manage . 1china, 2 grupo can give explosive damage but grupo is a bit of a unicorn. its pretty hard to f up a mortar build tho. you can do the old 3 empress, 1china, 1 wyvern, 1 preference piece. strategic alignment bag will be the easiest to use but there are stronger options , but they make you work 😎 .
personally i use this setup, but its a really active setup and not to everyone's liking https://lite.evernote.com/note/51fa758d-4829-205b-d0d5-f61b472eb392

damage to armor attributes can also improve mortar damage. so capacitor and insync shotguns both strong weapon options (both have 12% dta)

contractors gloves also

[shy willow]

Imma be messing around with refactor and ninja when it drops

Imma make the deflector good I swear

[hexed steppe]

its gonna have to be strong if its gonna work right. should be an interesting set though, no doubt

watch next season drop with cool skills and scavenged skills directives

[shy willow]

What I've got so far works just need to replace the foundry with refactor

Can get more skill damage and it doubles as healer

[hexed steppe]

ill definitely be checking it out. i do like my skill builds

[thin olive]

I was asking for help on NR 16 Tho.. as in my last build.

[hexed steppe]

oh for the the last, unfilled spot... ok maybe have a few
do you want pics or just descriptions

[thin olive]

Right lets get into it, I got nothing better to do.

• If you fail to see why i have 2p empress on rigger then idk what to tell you. Why add skill haste on a build that has 0 cd?
  I wanted the HP so my drone and decoy can survive more while i shoot with capacitor

• On the negotiator i thought that it be obvious that I'm running a lmg with contractors, Having the chest allows me to constantly mark 5 targets It may not be your preferd playstyle.. But for me with bluescreen its fantastic.

[thin olive]

No need for pics. just names and general playstyle it be fantastic.

[hexed steppe]

2 hanna adds more damage. the skill health is equally as useless as haste in a rigger setup, if something is losing health you should pop it before you get stuck on a cooldown. rigger in general kinda bad so ig it cant get much worse, so ig disregard...

[thin olive]

How is 2 hanna more dmg? They both +10 skill dmg

[hexed steppe]

empress took a hit on rebalance. if you get into the efficiency 3pc its still pretty good

its only 2% but hey, minmax

[thin olive]

My man... what 2%???
Hanna U
1p 10% Skill haste
2p 10% skill damage

Empress
1p 10% Skill health
2p 10% skill damage

If i do not need skill haste ... why use hanna ?

[hexed steppe]

a couple i would mention
aok turret/drone. 3 empress/sacrifice/waveform/pallisades with, tech support/pgc cap/insync mop 20-30%aok . all skill damage/haste rolls. play as turret drone. (may or maynot be outclassed with the new set, time will tell tho)

hybrid memento turret/drone, tech class, 3 empress, ceska, memento, picaros rolled skilltier. chc/chd rolls mods, glass chest, cap/harmony. skills are flexible, 6yello core, 2.5red core, 1blue core

i would mention hazpro eclipse but thats kinda cd/f100 only

[hazy steeple]

2% loss of Skill Efficiency (10% to 8%), which is worth building into if you can reach it.

[hexed steppe]

yeah im stupid with that one, mb

change wouldnt benefit. anywhere you could squeeze in a 3 piece with be better tho since it covers 6 attributes

[timber dagger]

Hi where do I get PFE mods? I want to build a PFE build for " Master " mode.

[hexed steppe]

farming mods, sometimes for sale at vendors

[shy willow]

You're way better off with like force multiplier than ninja

[ashen pecan]

Any tips for creating a dps build in legendary missions

[subtle bluff]

Strikers

[autumn crown]

Been a while since I've played this game, how do I increase the stat % of the attributes I have on gear? Is there a way or do I need to just keep farming until I'm lucky enough to max %?

[fair dragon]

You can do that in the Tinkering menu (Optimisation)

[autumn crown]

It only lets me tinker exotics though?

[patent fossil]

Have you been extracting attributes and talents to fill your recalibration library? You can only optimise stats up to the max value you have saved in the library, except exotics

[autumn crown]

I haven't done anything like that, I've been back on the game for about 2d, just been working on a pve build, now I just need the right attributes etc..
So I need to extract attributes I need and put them onto the gear I'm using? So I need to farm multiple of the gears and hope the right one drops with the right attributes etc? Or am I thinking too hard about that 😅

And how do I farm the resources that are needed to max an attribute? Through the summit?

[patent fossil]

You only need to extract a max attribute once and you'll be able to apply that to any suitable item (or optimise items with that stat) - take a look at the library tab of your tinkering menu to see the full list of stats that can be extracted. Just farm a bunch of stuff however you like (countdown will be fastest method) and extract from any items that aren't otherwise worth keeping

Optimisation materials come from various sources: deconstructing, named enemies, watch points etc. Many can be crafted once you've unlocked the blueprints.

You can find more info on them from within the recalibration table menus, I think

[autumn crown]

Ah man, seems I have a lot of catching up to do etc 😂
I think i understand everything you've told me, thanks for the help 👍

[worn mango]

There are definitely some full guides on youtube as well, tons of content for this game

[autumn crown]

Yeah, that's where I found a pve build, luckily someone gave me the gun i needed, was just wondering about the attributes stuff

[worn mango]

Yeah, you just have to fill that library with the rolls and then you'll be able to do it. It's tediuous but ultimately worth it

You get so much waste stuff to extract into there anyway so no harm or foul

[plush field]

what build is that ?

like pvp or pve and what atributes?

[hazy steeple]

@plush field That's a hotshot setup, it's PvE only.

It's one of the few cases where the 4th piece of a Gearset isn't recommended.

[plush field]

alright tnx

[vestal ibex]

It's PVE and it's like half weapon handling half headshot rolls on the gear to obtain 100% stability on the sniper. Could do a little more damage(I mean very little) but the sacrifice for a QOL like no weapon sway is well worth it not to mention the faster weapon swap speed and reload. Really with a chain killer 2-4 pcs of hotshot, vigi on the backpack, and items that add HSD/MMR damage most of these builds perform exactly the same.

[gloomy spruce]

Sorry to drag this up, but do you think the increase is because the WD multiplier on a MMR is smaller than the HSD Multiplier that is already quite large. The 15% HSD added to what is likely a 300% hsd multiplier is small compared to a 10% WD multiplier added to what is near a 150% WD multiplier?

I know those numbers are not exact, but it seems like at a certain point HSD added on a large multiplier is diminishing returns.

[urban latch]

its down to the way HH calculates the damage, it makes WD much more important than HSD

[vestal ibex]

Yeah that's pretty much it but HH buff is a true/false type of buff. Basically if damage is higher than targets HP is true you keep HH ya know. So these small differences in numbers typically don't make a build better unless you hit a new breakpoint and can kill a new class of enemies, reds/purples/yellows during your stacking.

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah there is that. Still the first shot on both without HH is larger on the Airaldi over the providence.

[onyx sage]

because of HH math, and also of the fact that some targets will favor more weapon damage over hsd (like skill proxies or helmets)

[gloomy spruce]

Again, even without HH; the damage with the airaldi is greater on the first shot.

[vestal ibex]

It's less than half a % tho.

[gloomy spruce]

Some things like skill proxies and helmets are also likely to benefit from WD

[gloomy spruce]

Its tiny, but the principle remains. There is a point where WD has a slightly larger impact over HSD.

[onyx sage]

i feel like I've explained this to you at some point

[vestal ibex]

In the game it has no impact tho. Hitting an enemy for over their total HP/armor makes no difference if it kills. Functionally they are the same build and accomplish the same thing.

[solar berry]

WD increased your base dmg. HSD is after math

[gloomy spruce]

You probably have and I am an idiot. Sorry to bother you.

[onyx sage]

nah no worries

[vestal ibex]

What makes a HH build better than anything is hitting a new breakpoint, if that doesn't happen it's just e peen numbers for happy brain chems.

[limber storm]

Anyone got a ridgeway build for pvp?

[magic pilot]

Ridgeway not very good in PvP anymore

[soft apex]

So tank builds are effectively useless outside legendary content yes?

[onyx sage]

outside IH and even then has to be correct tanks

and i think master also needs a few for objective holding

[soft apex]

So again I say effectively useless?

That sucks. It seems like anything outside damage in most scenarios aren't very good builds. Ostracizes big portions of the game if you ask me. I mean at least we can transmog gear but still it sucks you need to sacrifice survivability through armor and health because you can't do enough damage. I hope division 3 is more balanced in that respect.

[gloomy spruce]

The problem in the game is threat and how it is handled.

Higher damage = higher threat.

It is hard to draw aggro or try to taunt in this game.

[worn mango]

You can also be a tank that helps your team. Blue OD is nice with PFE

[red island]

mosquito does help a bit

[soft apex]

Why even make a threat system to begin with? It seems like they just tried to make their own spin on the army of two aggro system

Poorly I might add.

[gloomy spruce]

Red OD does damage and you are an extra gun

[red island]

otherwise you would just draw agro on unkillable tank while everyone else shoot stuff for free

[soft apex]

That's the entire point of a tank

[worn mango]

Sure but diversity is fun as well

[red island]

tanks arent supposed to make enemies dumb af

they are supposed to tank

not render your team invincible

[gloomy spruce]

I want build diversity, but sadly the mechanics of the game do not allow it

[soft apex]

No they're supposed to eat every bullet in existence if there's a good one but as you just said because of the way the games made anyone who plays as a tank or wants to be one cannot do that job effectively because the games build mechanics at the very fundamentals are very crude and simple.

[red island]

if you wanna eat bullet, place yourself in front of allies

but they cant shoot

[soft apex]

It kinda takes the game away from being about build variety and more like "Oh yeah we have a lot of options but about 9/10 of every single gear piece that doesn't involve damage is essentially a waste of your time."

[red island]

threat was specifically created to counter unkillable tanks that draw too much agro

and render the game trival

[soft apex]

That's........the fundamental of being a tank. If your a good one you don't die. So again I say, they effectively made an entire class based around taking damage useless? Especially since they can't even dish out moderate damage to help.

[red island]

its a balance thing on most games

any mmo does this

[soft apex]

Yeah but typically those MMO also give "Attraction" skills so that the tank can do its job

By drawing enemies towards them for even just a short duration so the team can work together properly.

[red island]

you have them in div 2

[soft apex]

The closest we have to that are the decoys I would guess.

[violet juniper]

easy fix would be to give the bulwark shield the decoy effect

[red island]

also the npc ai is VERY predictible, you can make them do dumb stuff easily

[red island]

shield does give threat iirc

[soft apex]

Oh does it?

That's actually good to know I didn't know that.

[red island]

im not entirely sure tho

i havent the game installed rn

but remember if you're a 6 red core dps, you'll mostl likely draw agro anyway

your dps threat is insanely high

[soft apex]

Because I do not research the games mechanics, which I think ubi did a horrible job of even trying to get players to understand. Like the first game was decently simple while being complex if you looked into it but this game is like trying to solve pi, a rubix cube, and international relations all at one time.

[red island]

well you have to take everything into account and make it in a single game experience

i see everyday people that dont know how to build

and you still need to make an experience for them

[soft apex]

Which takes most people years from what I've gathered through, comments, discord servers, YouTube channels, and reddit posts. And most people STILL don't understand how this game works

[red island]

yeah but at some point you cant take the player by the hand

[soft apex]

I'm pretty sure at least 75% of the playerbase doesn't understand how the tinker table works lmao.

[red island]

they gotta learn themselves

otherwise the game gets boring

[worn mango]

I personally don't want to be handheld. The expectation when you come into a game like this is that you have to explore and learn things on your own through trial and error or through content

[soft apex]

I mean most people don't know how it works now and still consider it repetitive cause it's impossible for them to understand what they're doing. I recently only figured out how to make an actually good build and it had to be strikers cause as I was told here, true patriot is useless.

I wanted to be a tank and I was told and I quote "You will be a detriment to your team and useless overall, make a damage build."

Which while testing myself I did see was true, which sucks :[

[magic pilot]

Majority of the player base doesn't even play heroic

[worn mango]

Yeah, the people who say heroic is too hard is also nutty

[soft apex]

Cause they don't know how to make a build or how the game works. Heck I've attempted it a few times and only survive cause I dish out damage and my teammates care about not dying.

[red island]

tank builds are fine, but they just dont exist under legendary

cause a dps build will just make you faster

[soft apex]

Except the weird part is I've seen tanks with tons of armor who do ridonculous damage. I'd assume their using heart breaker or something but I have no idea

[worn mango]

Well they're also getting buffed by the DPS builds and probably using shotguns or the like

[soft apex]

Nope

[worn mango]

Provide an example, easy enough to explain

[soft apex]

They were using ARs, LMGS, this is in conflict btw. They have what looks to be millions of hp in armor that they instantly regain the moment they lose it, then shred me in about 0.5 seconds

I assume the striker crit build I'm using it primarily for PvE. It does decently in PvP but there are definitely some builds that I don't know of that do every job better.

[red island]

pvp is different

tank builds def work in pvp

everything works in pvp tbh

except moskito

[worn mango]

Yeah, PVP is basically armor centric for the most part

4/2, 5/1, 6/0 armor/dps

[red island]

yeah if you dont have at least 3 blue core in pvp you're cooked

[soft apex]

I've seen the same style of builds in PvE challenging or even normal. They have all this armor, use the shield and shred bosses that I myself can't beat because they destroy my armor so fast (typically on anything higher than challenging) then disappear into the nexus of Washington without me ever seeing them again or getting to see their build.

[worn mango]

Once again, challenging and normal is not the same game. You could have all purple pieces and rip

[red island]

its normal/hard/challenging, nothing hold

you can have the worst build and still destroy npc in that difficulty

litterally even white pieces

[soft apex]

I mean I was in heroic countdown with a guy who was using true patriot and he eviscerated a hunter in like 2 seconds. He was also using a shield.

[vestal ibex]

Countdown is a buff riddled mess that you should never worry about tho.

[magic pilot]

A lot of people who don't player heroic just don't want to use the all re builds

[soft apex]

I know that's very much not true because I've done challenging with several kinds of builds solo and in a team. Some do not work. Mostly cause I probably have no idea what I'm doing that makes these so effective.

[red island]

countdown has 8 players, meanwing up to 8 people byuffing your damage and tankyness

[magic pilot]

They make weird hybrid builds

[soft apex]

I want to make a true patriot hybrid build with damage and armor but any of the ones I try don't seem to work. I just don't know what I'm doing.

[red island]

just learn building

its not complicated, but its tedious over time

you just learn synergies after a while

[soft apex]

I've been trying but this game is confusing. It could be one small sub core is wrong and my build goes from effective to dog

[tulip charm]

Also countdown is a terrible place to test builds

[soft apex]

True.

[red island]

if you're not good, already established builds are the way to go

[tulip charm]

You can have the tank build and if you get the close range buff youre a dps all of a sudden.

[red island]

just enjoy the game let people think about people for you

[soft apex]

What's an established one for the build of true patriot?

[tulip charm]

dps wise?

[red island]

not true patriot

there is plenty of ways to play, you dont have to only play one

[soft apex]

No hybrid

I know I mean what pieces synergize with it.

[tulip charm]

well chest you want a ceska w/ a dps talent for sure

[soft apex]

As long as I make people explode into fireworks

[tulip charm]

The issue comes if you want to run tp back or a different backpack

[red island]

check the pinned message for all the builds aviable

you'll fine everything there

[soft apex]

I'd rather slog through an explanation than try to read that tome of the deep.

[soft apex]

I probably should if I want one of the benefits from it.

[red island]

its litterally the most simple way to get a build

anything we write here will take longer to read and be less precise

in the time we talked here, you could have checked 10 builds in the list

[soft apex]

I get not everyone reads this chat so let me say this again for the 5th time. I'm on a phone. That thing is literally impossible for me to read or even comprehend because I'm so zoomed in I might as well be looking at its DNA

[red island]

idk whats blocking you

anything we type here is the same as on the spreadsheet page

i cant copy and paste if you want

[soft apex]

Again I just said I'm on a phone so I can't zoom out of it. For some reason it makes the text so large I can't see anything and it's just difficult

[red island]

then idk what to do to help you

if you cant read spreadsheet you wont be able to read any help here

[soft apex]

Also when I check the pinned section it doesn't give me a build spreadsheet just a DPS calculator

[cerulean smelt]

if anything, you can always get on a laptop/computer/maybe tablet? and see the spreadsheet

[soft apex]

I don't have one

[cerulean smelt]

that link in the pins is where the builds are put in a spreadsheet along with other information from the game

[soft apex]

Ohhh

[red island]

i mean, its pretty self explanatory

[soft apex]

I go below that to the big thing cause I thought that was the spreadsheet

It says "Division 2 Gear spreadsheet" and then takes me to a DPS calculator sheet

[bright raptor]

yeah it was more obviously the spreadsheet before Discord added the ability to do inline text

[cerulean smelt]

doesn't look like that with that link?

[red island]

everything you need is here

[vestal ibex]

click the google doc link

[red island]

its litterally saying "builds are here"

i know you wanna get handheld but please

[vestal ibex]

That first link is to the DPS calc

[cerulean smelt]

the "Link to The Spreadseet 2"?

[soft apex]

Doesn't say that for me

Ok I clicked on the blue highlighted sentence

[vestal ibex]

Oh that used to open to the DPS calc for me idk why.

[soft apex]

It has taken me to the page of confusion

[red island]

how is it confusing

we screenshoted you what you need to look for

[soft apex]

It's got all the tabs of shit I don't understand

[red island]

just read the text man

[cerulean smelt]

the hubs is where you'll find builds

[red island]

its litterally saying "builds are here"

you cant have it simpler than that

[vestal ibex]

wtf thos links used to go to opposite things for me for some reason but now it works correctly.

[soft apex]

This is what I see

So I'll go to the hub first and work from there

[cerulean smelt]

you'll have more links in the hub for all the builds. in there they'll explain what you'll need mostly and some alternatives if something in there doesn't suit your play style i believe

[onyx sage]

you got the google sheets app?

[cerulean smelt]

and when you click on the Evernote link for Standard Red DPS build
https://lite.evernote.com/note/0d1135cf-139c-394e-53f6-02c1b8b4cea9

[soft apex]

I got the docs app

[cerulean smelt]

probably get the link to it and move it over to the docs app is probably what @onyx sage blades is going to suggest?

[onyx sage]

use the sheets app

[soft apex]

Aw man I didn't see any section for true patriots. I guess it's not viable enough to even be on the sheet.

[onyx sage]

the site should be asking if you want to open it in there

[cerulean smelt]

you sure?

[soft apex]

Yeah

I checked the blue section and it was universal FB tank and Raid Haz/Regen tank

[red island]

then thoses builds are just better

if you wanna tank, use thoses

[cerulean smelt]

huh, i swore i saw a TP build in there once, maybe too long ago?

[red island]

yeah tp is not great

[soft apex]

Which sucks cause it's the coolest one.

I like making people blow up into fireworks.

[red island]

not really, you say that cause you havent check the rest

[soft apex]

Man this game sucks when it comes to variation

[cerulean smelt]

Hmm 🤔 maybe it's just weaker compared to others

[red island]

also remember not all build are made equals + balancing change stuff

[magic pilot]

This game has so much variation lol

[onyx sage]

no, it just doesn't favor the set you like

[red island]

game is ultra varied

[soft apex]

I meant in terms of variation that actually works in practice.

[worn mango]

Go watch Ikia vid outlining all the builds

[soft apex]

I've tried tons of builds and most don't work.

[red island]

there is dozen of working build man, wtf u talking about

[onyx sage]

yeah there's lots of variations that work in practice

[onyx sage]

well we gotta make sure they're actual builds first

[red island]

just cause you fail doesnt mean they dont exist

builds exists, you need to make them work first

[onyx sage]

there are build guides to help

[soft apex]

I'm not saying that's why they failed. I'm saying they failed for me. Because I have no idea what to fricking do cause this game goes, oh your level 30? Enjoy doing calculus to even understand how anything works.

[red island]

bruh

you didnt even discover 20% of the game

you cant call it a day

there is more than 15 red build alone in the spreadsheet

[soft apex]

I've played other MMOs where I got by just cause I used stuff I thought was cool. I can't do that here. Best I can do is transmog my equipment to look different.

[red island]

you can play cool stuff

you just dont know it cause you didnt try it

[soft apex]

Not the cool stuff I wanna use though

[red island]

you dont know it

cause you didnt try it

you said ONE thing

there are thousands of items in the game

[magic pilot]

Sounds like a skill problem, random gear works on heroic

[red island]

there is no way you dont find it fun

also yeah, even bad build works

just not on hardest content

[soft apex]

Is this good or bad, be honest.

[red island]

bad

[magic pilot]

Depends on the rest of the build

[onyx sage]

without seeing the rest, can't really say, but that crit ratio is bad

[soft apex]

Exactly my point

[magic pilot]

So get better gear?

[red island]

your build is bad

you dont have synergies

[soft apex]

You said even bad mismash builds could work.

[red island]

just create synergies ??

[red island]

yes, it does ?

[magic pilot]

Yea that doesn't mean the crit stats are going to be good lol

[red island]

if i take your build, i can play the entire game

but it wont be fun

[cerulean smelt]

problem with the shotgun itself it boosts melee which you just push most npcs and a smidge of health goes away. they melee you and you eitehr go down or you have nothing but 1hp left kind of deal

[soft apex]

This is what it looks like. I did change some of the minor core to red and put on red uhhh......attributes that's what they are.

[soft apex]

I just used the shotgun cause I got it. I don't really like it I have other exotics or weapons. I don't know if their better though.

[magic pilot]

Lose the blue minors

[soft apex]

Oh ok are those not needed?

[red island]

not if you wanna do damage

[soft apex]

Ah darn it. I'm gonna need to farm new patriot pieces.

[red island]

man let me ask you

[soft apex]

Oh well that'll give me something to do.

[red island]

did you try any other build ?

than true patriot

[cerulean smelt]

i think the true question to ask is "what is your goal in division 2 is?" really

[red island]

im guessing your goal is to have fun

[soft apex]

I've done strikers, heartbreaker, hunters fury, some gold ones, I've done aces, headhunters, negotiators and every single time on anything that isn't tanky besides heartbreaker I die almost instantly because despite all the damage I do, my armor is non-existent by comparison.

[red island]

you know its a cover shooter game right ?

you're supposed to hide in cover most of the time

[soft apex]

Yeah and peeking out of cover for longer than 5 seconds doesn't end well. The white tusk.........the white tusk are relentless.....

[red island]

you're not supposed to peek for more than 5s

also white tusk is legendary content, not normal or challenging

[soft apex]

It doesn't help that I have no one to play with and randoms will either leave, die, or kick me.

[cerulean smelt]

white tusk is after you've learned the game from my point of view

[red island]

legendary content = you need a real build

not a fun build

[soft apex]

I used strikers during my legendary attempts.

[red island]

and randoms kick you cause they see your build

[cerulean smelt]

IE: you got all your library in the tinkering menu filled to max, most talents

[soft apex]

I only managed to beat legendary District union arena.

[red island]

dont do legendary