td2-build-advice

[strong cave]

I was thinking of using it so I can run some armor cores and play close up 🤠

[hexed steppe]

only if you needed to use faraday for something or missing a skilltier

survivalist nade also best for proccing sledge

[strong cave]

I typically use tech or survivalist for sledge. Occasionally sharpshooter for added blind effect

Those are on my HH builds tho

[hexed steppe]

That 10% team damage against status NPCs is a nice amp for the team. Really nice on top of fi/od builds as well

[shy willow]

Yeah I run survivalist on basically all my support setups

Outside of when I need faraday

[winged prism]

anyone have fun chem launcher builds i can try

never rly tried it much

[magic pilot]

Brazen absolutely blows close and personal out of the water

[violet juniper]

that's why I said brazen or close and personal

[magic pilot]

Why would you even recommend close and personal at all

It's on kill, less dmg, and has a range requirement

[strong cave]

I run a tech healer for the skill healing AND faraday. Works for CD hunters and floor 100

[strong cave]

Ew why up close and personal? Just run killer 🤷

Brazen is solid. Optimist could even work too

[magic pilot]

Killer actually not bad compared to brazen

Brazen> optimist

I don't think I've ever ran optimist on shotguns

[strong cave]

I ran optimist for a bit and since swapped to brazen

Been testing killer and it hits equally as hard as brazen. Hunters fury build of course with memento

[violet juniper]

I forgot about killer ngl

But then it's 70% Crit over 30% total damage

Doesn't make much damage, admittedly

[strong cave]

Yes but you're losing a LOT of damage on shotguns due to the lack of CHC. And mods. Killer would be worth it more than up close and personal bc each shotgun has 8 pellets per shot. If your CHC high enough you'll always hit a crit. Since damage is high enough, you should be able to 1 shot everything

[shy willow]

i dont use killer just because rng but after the buff its very solid

besides close and personal is base wd iirc

[strong cave]

Hunters fury + Memento with a killer shotgun hits hard. Just trust. Use an m870

Could use the mop for more AoK paired with gunner

[shy willow]

actually does killer proc on shotguns if at least 1 pellet crits

[strong cave]

Yes, if you get a kill

[shy willow]

or does it have to be the killing pellet

[strong cave]

Just the shot in general needs to kill. Focus reds and purples with HF first then start on elites 🔥

You'll have killer proc'd and I'd hope you're running intimidate with memento. AoK will keep you topped off plus Memento bonuses. Shield makes the build hit even harder with firewall

[shy willow]

might have to look into killer on my shotgun in that case

[strong cave]

It's a very viable option if you don't have a brazen shotgun. Shotguns should be sitting around 50 CHC and 120 CHD. Killer takes you to 190

I'm not utilizing a Ceska chest as intimidate eludes me on Ceska, so I'm running grupo and have to take a 3rd CHC mod. If I ran Ceska it would hit even harder

I could go badger tuff and double dip for the shotgun damage (+ Hunters Fury) but then I'd be losing CHD. Ceska would still be best

[boreal void]

Any advice or changes I should make

I have come back from a year break

[humble meteor]

what content? I feel like it‘s hard keeping the stacks going anywhere but legendary incursions so I tend to run an obliterate chest instead of strikers

[tame crane]

I would change the chest, Ceska with Obliterate, and striker gloves

50,5% CHC and 155.9% CHD with those tweaks

[boreal void]

Thank you I’m gonna try get the chest now

[tame crane]

No worries, with Elmo I run the chest with a CHC mod, so in total stats it gets you to that 50% mark

and CHD mod on Coyote and the backpack

[tame crane]

What build do you guys run on Legendary missions? I just run full red dps, but wanted some more surviability.

[latent comet]

I started making this tank/pfe with CHC/CHD.

Was a youtube I was basing it off of. It's a great tank, but kills a bit slow with how I have it set up right now.

[vestal ibex]

Just get some blue strikers parts and maybe a memento.

[latent comet]

Momento was apart of what I had going. Had Armor Regen on it too. Started making it last night so it's really sloppy atm.

Was sick of being so squishy and I wanted to go back to my run and gun style of Div 1

[timber dagger]

Hi im new to the game Are all ARs interchangeable ?

** if not what is the best AR?

[bleak sequoia]

no they all have different recoil/spread and different stats. For damage stats you can see this chart (but it doesn't show other weapon characteristics like actual recoil) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12vzrBI53INNVcKx25ILuvwIgJDg2xUvOO_IA0uctlwE/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[timber dagger]

@bleak sequoia can you please guide me to the best AR? To farm

[bleak sequoia]

Community favourites include FAMAS or FAL (for damage), Police M4 (for the better handling)

[bleak sequoia]

for exotics, can't go wrong with St Elmo's Engine

[timber dagger]

@bleak sequoia ok thanks I will search for those

[bleak sequoia]

Try them all out. It's personal preference and how much each player can get used to the recoil pattern. For example some people love the F2000 and I think it just kicks too much. Because I'm not used to it.

[ocean ingot]

Has anyone tried strikers with improvised holster and memento in master difficulty?

[placid latch]

Why improvised holster ?

For PfE mod ?

[ocean ingot]

Yeah

[placid latch]

Honestly, With Gunner, Striker doesn't need PFE

I do use it on Heroic from time to time

It's even used on Legendary and Raid

[vestal ibex]

PFE should have a good return on master tho cause everything is elite. Probably better to trade out a mod or two tho.

[placid latch]

up to the point to renounce to Obliteration ?

You still got 4 set gear

[vestal ibex]

I'm saying it's better to swap one of your three natural mods out for it

Or a couple.

[placid latch]

So no point to use improvised holster

[vestal ibex]

imo naw, I'd probably run strikers chest too cause you'll be able to keep stacked up ez.

What's best for something like this will always come down to player skill tho.

[hexed steppe]

Take a look at the spreadsheet pinned in this channel. Lots of useful informations about weapons, gear, exotics, build guides, etc . Too much to mention here

[timber dagger]

@hexed steppe yes what a fun game thanks

[hexed steppe]

It's usually kept up to date soon after seasons drop. This is including the build guides

[ocean ingot]

You were right, I went full damage and it was fine, with gunner and a healer it wasn't worth adding pfe

[vocal flax]

Just saw a guy on confict use a melee build with lady death and survivors shield

And it kicked my butt hard

[subtle bluff]

It's a thing. It's one trick you can counter it.

[mint axle]

A well timed damage burst can break his shield easily, the problem is to kill him while he is straffing until his shield is back.

[tender pulsar]

500 down 🥳! How i am doing ?

[dreamy valve]

What builds did everyone use to solo the Master manhunt mission

[honest crag]

Looking for suggestions on what exotic i should run with the Heartbreaker build I’m making. I’m semi-leaning towards Tardigrade, but I’m not attached to that idea at all. Just… be nice, ok? 😊

[onyx sage]

coyote?

[subtle bluff]

You don't need to run an exotic.

[tawdry flare]

Memento for solo?

[solar sable]

use 6pc 5.11 instead

[shy willow]

HB is in a cool spot because you have space for stuff like vigilance and memento without losing damage

[tawdry flare]

I have retired from this from the feedback I got

[solar sable]

a lil bit

[tawdry flare]

At starting levels yes

[solar sable]

dang it

[honest crag]

5.11? Yawn

[solar sable]

jk

[tawdry flare]

That was directed at me

[shy willow]

Costs depend on how far you are to the next increment

[fair dragon]

Optimising the core attribute will cost more than the sub-attributes

[tawdry flare]

The cost is fixed but depends on how far you are from next attributes

[solar sable]

yup

[tawdry flare]

Yes

[solar sable]

yup x2

[bold leaf]

If you get two low rolls on an item find a better item. Not worth the huge resource costs to optimise it

[tawdry flare]

Unless you are 10K shd and have a bunch of mule like many players

[bold leaf]

True

But at that point surely you're not doing much optimising anyway

[tawdry flare]

I wasted near 1000 SHD Points on my 5.11 builds optimization

[bold leaf]

Fair enough

[solar sable]

let's say:
6% CHD > First optimization costs 4 FRD (and any of the optimising resources), the second opti goes up to ~14 FRD and that cost increases each opti. Optimizing one att does not affect the cost of the others simultaneously.

[tawdry flare]

Btw few % on a couple of gears doesn't matter much having the right roles matter more

[junior vessel]

Soo I'm kinda min maxing my Strikers PvE Solo build.. How much Crit Chance is enough like would 59% hit like a secret golden state to be at? Or is like 50 already enough?

[tame crane]

50 is good

[junior vessel]

Alright good to know and on a backpack or chest for example you can't hit like a double crit damage on the non mod attributes I guess?

[tame crane]

Nope can only have one of each

How does your striker build look? What pieces you use?

[junior vessel]

Striker mask glove pads and holster grupo backpack and ceska chest

[tame crane]

I recommend keeping the Ceska chest, but switching Striker mask with Coyote, and make the holster Striker

[junior vessel]

I was thinking about that too but is it that big of a difference with coyotes? I got one but with sh... rolls

[tame crane]

Yeah Coyote is pretty much a no brainer in a striker build like this

[junior vessel]

I like to no brain a lot lmao

[tame crane]

Haha yeah but I would recommend trying to get a good roll Coyote, also is your Ceska Obliterate?

[junior vessel]

What do you think about like 2 Armor attributes for some survivalbility in raids etc.?

[junior vessel]

Yes got a obliterate max weap dmg and max crit dmg dropped

just had to tinker the crit chance on it lmao

[tawdry flare]

If you got coyote 54-55% else get close to 60%

[tame crane]

Never tried personally, however throwing some Blue cores there for survivalbility would probably work just fine, but maybe on a different piece and just have 2 loadouts

[tawdry flare]

For survivability kill NPCs faster

[tame crane]

Haha yup

[junior vessel]

Lmao

[tawdry flare]

Put gunner for armour on kill in solo

[bold leaf]

Perfect Glass Cannon, no armour on kill, no revive hive, shoot faster than the enemy

[tawdry flare]

Maybe a palaside PCs with gunner spec and you got 20% aok.
In raids you usually have a healer

[junior vessel]

Got it on Gunner already a friend told me to got for that

[tawdry flare]

Striker GC

[bold leaf]

You know it xD

[junior vessel]

Soo time for grinding some Countdown for the striker backpack max roll drop

Thanks for your help

[tawdry flare]

@valid grove

[jaunty citrus]

Hi, I'm running the future initiative healer build, but don't really care for shotguns, can anyone give some advice on how to alter the build to run ARs or LMGs?

[shy willow]

There's none worth running

Standard FI setup uses opportunistic which only gets procced by shotguns or MMRs

And being a support build Scorpio and lefty are very strong weapons for it

[hexed steppe]

i agree with Naval here. Fi healer builds being support really benefit from scorpio/opportunistic add survivalist and its another team buff anytime scorpio procs a status on an npc. all that being said, you can probably modify a regular dps setup with memento and some healing skills. maybe building out a red Fi, keep scorpio for the debuff, but add famas/lexington as a damage setup, and still buff team

[jaunty citrus]

Ok, then what other gear sets should I look into that would still allow me to run a medic, but with different weapons options

[hexed steppe]

it really depends on how much healing you want to do. red fi can be strong.
you can plug memento+tech class (repair skill tech class unlock) onto builds like nego/striker/hunters fury. memento stacked and tech class set that way would have you 2 skilltiers, 40% repair skills (once mem is stacked), all before figuring out what the other 5 pieces of your build will be

big heals just stick with fi.
you can also go the straight buff route instead of heals and run ongoing directive.

[jaunty citrus]

I need to find a memento

[hexed steppe]

yeah its solid. that skill efficiency on it is like the skill version of weapon handling. covers repair skills, haste, skill damage, skill duration, skill health, status effects

skill efficiency = % in all those Skill Buckets™️

[bronze hound]

This new chest piece is stupid broken

[shy willow]

As in Garbo or great

Consensus seems to be it's trash

[bronze hound]

It should not have been added

[shy willow]

It got nerfed too even

[bronze hound]

My tank build now takes 5% damage from elites

[shy willow]

Its multiplicative to PFE no?

[bronze hound]

Wdym

[shy willow]

Like if you have max pfe it's 0.2*0.75

[bronze hound]

Ah

I did my math wrong

[shy willow]

Rip

[bronze hound]

I did * 0.25 lol

[shy willow]

I wonder how tanky you could get if you stacked a defender on top of all that though

[shy willow]

😭

[bronze hound]

I'm already running laps between heavies on legendary

[bold rose]

Is damage to armor solid or just run crit damage?

[honest crag]

anyone else got any suggestions as to which exotic gear piece I should use with a Heartbreaker build?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah and than comes a purple

[tawdry flare]

Coyote or memento if you go coyote use Cesk Vigilance bagpack if Memento use a ceska mask and keep Crit Chance to around 55-60%

[bronze hound]

context?

[hexed steppe]

youll only want damage to armor when you dont need any chance rolls. weapons you want dttooc 99% of the time. that just leaves contractors or w/h. youll lose damage most of the time outside of highend red dps where you stack contractors and foxs because crit is maxed. lmg builds maybe more favorable to contractors

[solar field]

I'm a returning player to the game I played on Xbox but made the swap to playstation and since I've been gone for so long I'm looking for builds to run dark hours raid. I'd like to get EB back but I'm not sure if the build meta has changed or not

[bold rose]

Appreciate it.

[solar sable]

Striker's as DPS, regular healer w/crossbow and... idk what else is run

[solar field]

Is it just full red core striker? Stack crit hit chance and dmg?

[cerulean smelt]

pretty much i believe

[solar field]

Alright I appreciate it yall

[shy willow]

Oxi, drone killer, nego are also used but if you just want the EB don't worry about it

Just striker as suggested above

[next shadow]

What build do I use for DH

[shy willow]

Check above

[next shadow]

I don't see anything, besides master manhunts

[solar sable]

@next shadow

[solar sable]

and ^

[glad heart]

Generally, raids use a standard all red DPS build, except for speciality tasks within the raid.

https://lite.evernote.com/note/47f32f03-af5c-e3c1-2150-a94d6bb56701

[old cypress]

is there anything I need to change on the stat??

[glad heart]

Not a thing

[old cypress]

noice! first exotic that drop for me since I got back

and funny thing is it dropped on the first mission that I did

[glad heart]

You have great luck/RNG

[old cypress]

what gear set usually go with this gun? I use 4pcs haywire+the sacrifice+china piece with capacitor

[glad heart]

Striker, High End Red DPS build.

[old cypress]

high end is named piece?

is there anything that can be improve with this build?

[glad heart]

High End: Providence, Grupo, Cseka, Fox's Prayer, Vigilance talent on BP, Obliterate/Unbreakable chest talent

[old cypress]

ahhhhh

[glad heart]

I don't mess with skill builds...

[old cypress]

I see tysm

[shy willow]

Get another skill tier

[old cypress]

is that possible with the " the sacrifice " armor piece?

[bright raptor]

reroll the core attribute to skill tier, this is ideally done with a Sacrifice that already has Skill Damage on it

[old cypress]

ahhh copy tysm

[hoary sail]

is it worth to try a build with hs dmg nd handling for the new named Ak?

[bright raptor]

you could but it really wouldn't be much different from standard all crit with a weapon handling roll or two

[oblique lynx]

hi guys, i just came back to TD2 and got it on pc right now, but im a bit lost with the current buils and information that is going on right now. im more curious about a dps build with a slightly defensive site ...

any suggestions ?

[strong cave]

DPS with defense puts you in 3 different types of Gearsets:

1.) Ongoing directive with a few armor cores

2.) striker with a few armor cores + memento

3.) heartbreaker + memento

There's currently a community spreadsheet with builds and game information pinned here in this channel. I highly recommend giving it a look

[shy willow]

You forgot muh HF😱

[oblique lynx]

so even for like a beginners mind or more intermediate level ?

[oblique lynx]

whats HF ?

[tulip charm]

Hunters Fury

[oblique lynx]

but its not like a common or most used build overall then .. its more like a preference

[strong cave]

Hunters fury is cool but can it run raids? 😭

Somebody tell Mr Chow hunters fury incursion run 😂😂

[shy willow]

When we used to run my group had people on add doors run red/blue hf

Makes it exceedingly difficult to die

[strong cave]

It's smart. At that rate tho I'd just have headhunter players

[tepid trout]

It depends on the person actually on the door anything works

[worn mango]

I still need to get Ravenous and Eagle Bearer but can't be messed to do raids. Don't know what it is about that content that I just don't enjoy

[ashen atlas]

Same I’m looking forward to her ravenous more than the other one

[worn mango]

I got the Ouro first try with a group and I haven't played it since lol

[hoary sail]

ok thx

[hybrid hatch]

Who here was saying they couldn’t find ceska chest

It’s targeted in west Potomac and I’ve gotten 4 decent ones in the past 10 mins lol

[magic pilot]

Flex on them💪🏽

[worn mango]

I need to go find double crit and ability wh backpack and grupo chest, finally wanna make some of these pvp builds

Because frig knows I'm not gonna go try to get a matador lol

[tame crane]

You should run Incursion once a week at least for the free exotic tho😁

[worn mango]

Honestly I'm fine lol

I'm just not a big mechanics guy, I point gun and go brrtt

[magic pilot]

That's pretty much the whole incursion

[worn mango]

Oh for sure. I wish I just had a crew that would do it without comms but I'm not confident enough for timing and such

[tame crane]

Just got this god rolled Ceasars Guard, is it usable in any skill builds perhaps?

[tame crane]

Not sure how it is on console, but at this point on PC every random I meet (pretty much) knows what to do, really simple to run incursion without a team, almost always goes flawlessly

[magic pilot]

Some people use for oxi that's about it

[tepid lake]

Small inquiry, putting together 4pc Stiker, but pairing it with Companion (backpack) + Perfect Companion (chest) with a Lexington utilizing flatline. (Technician specialization)

Would this in theory “work” as it’s TWD (Total Weapon Damage) from Companion plus Amplified total weapon damage from Flatline?

[versed summit]

they work regardless of what multipliers they are tbf

I just wouldn't recommend it

[tepid lake]

Please share, this was random thought I’ve been playing around with using the modifiers

[versed summit]

how are you incorporating multipliers

[tepid lake]

Using the following modifiers

• pressure piston
• quicken
• by the teeth

[versed summit]

and what skills for companion?

[tepid lake]

At the moment using turret haven’t considered others yet

[versed summit]

you'd really want a skill that moves with you and has good up time to proc companion, but tbh I'd just run striker backpack and obliterate chest with coyote's mask, or glass chest vigi backpack

[tepid lake]

Heard, thank you

[onyx sage]

?

[hexed steppe]

No no no 🙈

Ninja bad in 98% of setups it's used in

[solar sable]

no, just no

[hexed steppe]

Also why tots? You could put together a 4pc striker ceska coyote/grupo that would be so much stronger

[solar sable]

why do people like to mix two different gearsets with nbb?

[hexed steppe]

Youtube

[bright raptor]

noob trap doing noob trap things

[solar sable]

"kami said that this is strong"

[versed summit]

tbf it does look like they're on console

[hexed steppe]

3pc tots bonus... worth it. Signature and weapon damage.. duh

[hexed steppe]

Tbf nothing personal. Everyone that posts a ninja build gets dragged over coals. Very few niche uses, mainly in pvp for ninja. Otherwise it's better as a traditional 4pc gearset or highend set.
Ninja usually drops a lot of damage from a bag talent and supplements a couple minor bones. In this case the 2 tots+ninja represent 10wd. You're not gonna be using spec weapon so main tots bonus isnt even used...
Check the pinned spreadsheet. Striker, huntersfury, negotiators all really easy to build. Any will rip apart content that this build is definitely struggling with.

[peak rover]

I feeling like hunter fury can be used only for SMG and Shotgun but... what is the best gas mask gear piece?

[magic pilot]

That's gonna get deleted

[versed summit]

it can be used for any weapon tbh, it's just better with weapons that work in CQC. It's really good with High damage pistols when going headshot damage and headhunter

[peak rover]

Found it Sokolov Concern Gas Mask

[versed summit]

you shouldn't really use a High end mask on Hunter's fury, as generally you want a high end chest and backpack, but good luck

[glass cargo]

Is heartbreaker a good set to run ?

[glass cargo]

With a flatline and memento backpack

[patent fossil]

It's decent for solo, a mix of tanky & dps. Falls off in certain content, and will lag behind in a group setting though

[bold leaf]

Ninja bag and 5x improvised is the only way to go

[glass cargo]

DMR build it is

[peak rover]

I am using the safety distance

[tepid lake]

Do you have a dark wynter?

[peak rover]

Sadly no

I GOT UNBREAKABLE LETS GOOO

[versed flame]

Your choice, but this is not a build!

[worn mango]

Yay got my chest piece

Now to never use it!

[bold leaf]

Double Famas might give you an ammo problem but solid build otherwise

[versed flame]

The build is great!But personally, I don't take two identical weapons, because the ammunition is the same.

[bold leaf]

You could probably get away with it on gunner because of the ammo regen

[hexed steppe]

Build dependent. For something like nego or striker it's probably coyote mask.
For something like hunters fury its gonna be hunters fury mask, because you'll want to utilize a chest talent and either bag talent or memento

[plush field]

Any pvp Egear bear build ? Im level 331

[strong cave]

Slap it on umbra, strikers, sys Corr or any high end crit build works

[plush field]

Šo 50% crit chance and 110% crit damage ?

[plush field]

And what is sys corr?

[strong cave]

System Corruption, DZ exclusive gear set. Hard to obtain but is viable with EB

[plush field]

Alright thank you

[strong cave]

Pretty much

There's a pinned spreadsheet with pvp beginner builds, definitely check that out too

[jaunty citrus]

How are people consistently getting max rolled great mods?

[strong cave]

There was a crafting bug feature a few patches ago. I took heavy advantage of this when I could. Most just casually run legendary farming

RNG can be a factor too. But yeah the crafting bug was a big thing for a bit. After patch people went back to legendary farming

[unkempt shell]

Anyone got any build ideas for the new exotic chest

@worn mango

[subtle bluff]

I have issues with your build has it is… Why….

25% less of getting bullets doing 100k isn’t much once when they’re gonna keep hit you. If you think of it unbreakable will net you more effective armor in a sense.

[unkempt shell]

Shrugs

I have no idea what to use the chest part for lol

[subtle bluff]

What are you trying to do even… Full Gearset build is not worth it.

Strikers or HB.

[unkempt shell]

Shurgs I wanna use the new exotic chest piece

[subtle bluff]

….. HB OR STRIKERS….

[unkempt shell]

Striker

[subtle bluff]

TY. 4pc Strikers, Ceska w/e get CHC to 50-58% If you’re able to throw on 2 or 3 blues cores there you go.

Is gonna be better than other stuff that’s out there probably not.

[unkempt shell]

WITH THE EXPTIC CHEST PIECE

[subtle bluff]

YES WITH THE NEW CHEST.

[unkempt shell]

Let me grab my ceska gloves

[subtle bluff]

You’re not gonna notice a you’re tanker by much.

[worn mango]

I think the problem with the chest is that if you're using catharsis you're losing your healing if you're just trying to tank/pfe/dps hybrid. Or you're losing a much needed ability on the chest probably for synergy

And you can't get crit rolls on it so it's pure defense

[strong cave]

They're probably not gonna continue to use the chest piece once they realize how ass it is Unbreakable on top.

Tardi > Provocator

I will live and die on this hill

Prov needs teammate side for the talent just like tardi. Tardi needs a competitor. They copped out on this exotic HEAVILY

[worn mango]

Prov could be if you have armor break, everyone gets damage reduction?

I get adding new exotics and it shouldn't be best in slot automatically, but it has to be able to drive some new ideas of gameplay

[subtle bluff]

Again issue is you're getting 25% less damage of w/e amount of 100k to 200k per bullet vs another chest talent with more useful things.

[subtle bluff]

It is not a solo piece for sure. You're losing out too much for it.

[strong cave]

For real. Regardless of however we math out armor, Unbreakable alone still gives back more than Provocator ever could

Doesn't matter how much armor you have on a build + use unbreakable. 25% damage reduction is still only 25% of your total armor added on top of whatever Armor you have. Unbreakable is 95% PvE 50% pvp . Even in pvp with prov it's a 20% reduction. You get 20% more armor on top of your build's total armor. Unbreakable gives you 50% on top of your build's total armor

PvE you basically get double your armor 🤷

[strong cave]

Read my messages above this reply

This is why people aren't gonna touch this chest piece 🤷 it may as well be Ninjabike 2.0 it's that gimmicky

[worn mango]

Agreed. It's a neat way to implement gear that isn't so daunting like a raid or incursion, and maybe that's why it's so low power level

But at the end of the day, it's a super niche if not unusable piece of gear

[strong cave]

It's basically a mission with raid-like mechanics and it's all for some lousy ass exotic. If they changed it to where the talent applied to teammates as well when they're within 20m of you, THEN it would be worth it

[worn mango]

I think within 10M, out to 20M enemies would be good. 20M radius to teammates seems far but I also can't really picture what 20M even looks like in game

[strong cave]

Basically play as a group, stay as a group, get a GROUP reward. Tardigrade rewards the group. This is a heavily missed opportunity. Truly wanna strangle whoever cooked this one up 💀

[worn mango]

Look at Coyotes, that's a passive for the team. Make the chest like it too. Or, in different ranges, get a different passive

[strong cave]

Exactly!

[worn mango]

Close range, massive armor pool, mid range, damage reduction, long range, armor repair

[strong cave]

Hence why it's best in slot. It benefits YOU and your TEAM

If prov worked like that, that would be a good exotic

[hazy steeple]

It should be noted that Coyotes doesn't stack either, so you're encouraged not to have more than 3, even on a full Raid team.

[strong cave]

This would be absolutely dope

[mint axle]

Tbf it would be a little too broken if it was 35% like before

[worn mango]

I do wonder if it's too many mechanics flip flopping, give and taking away armor, but this is a literal shot in the absolute dark idea lol

[worn mango]

Yeah, would make for some cohesion and communication. Something they seemingly want but don't actually make a need to

[strong cave]

I genuinely like that idea. The OG exotics of this game have 3 talents. I think it would be cool to remind us of the 3 part talents they used to make for exotics back then

[hazy steeple]

Well, that was div1, not this game.

div1 and div2 exotics work very differently.

[strong cave]

Cham has 3 talents technically, no?

The bonus from shooting legs, wd bonus from chest and CHC+CHD talent from headshots

[hazy steeple]

Just a point: Coyotes is a DLC Exotic, not one in the base game.

Remember: OG Season 1.

So to the point: no, not all Exotics have Talents with 3 parts.

[strong cave]

Ahhhhhhhh ye that makes sense. I'm fairly new ish? But I have seen the games history and so. I had not a clue coyotes was a dlc exotic

I started div 2 Xbox on '22 and hopped on PC on '23

[hazy steeple]

Yep, release date of WONY, so about a year into the game's life-span.
You can actually find a list of the early Season's content for div2 on the wiki.

Evolution is kinda in this game's nature though, even Tidal Basin +BT (World Tier 5 with it) was added a month-post launch.
Which changed up builds quite a lot on their own.

[strong cave]

Didn't holsters used to have talents too??

Coulda swore they did

[worn mango]

I'd be fine if holsters had talents that sped up reload, handling, etc.

[strong cave]

Centurions Scabbard

[magic pilot]

Every piece did

[hazy steeple]

The old Gear System is too far back for me to remember clearly now, but it was quite weird.

Damage to Elites, I miss you.

[strong cave]

That took place during the gear overhaul id assume

[magic pilot]

And weapons had 3 talents

[strong cave]

Ye I JUST MENTIONED that 🤣

[magic pilot]

Just popped in

[hazy steeple]

You get used to people repeating things you just said lol.

[magic pilot]

New chest sucks, makes a good exotic comp

[strong cave]

🔥🔥 real

[worn mango]

I think they'll see that the usage on it will be low, at least I'd hope they have statistics on that

[hazy steeple]

I'm bored, someone suggest a DPS build that is a kind of "go with me on this".

[hazy steeple]

They can see usage statistics, yes.

[strong cave]

4 PC OD but rolled to blue, coyote mask, ceska backpack with unstoppable force and crits

[magic pilot]

There's an OD support

[worn mango]

I've considered getting OD blue

[strong cave]

Great survivability, damage, and never lose ammo

[hazy steeple]

Oh no, I tripped over the meta.

[worn mango]

Someone gave it to me in the mission earlier and I loved them

[strong cave]

Worth it

[worn mango]

Do you roll all chance and then just adjust?

[hazy steeple]

Okay that's weirder, thanks!

[magic pilot]

Depends on your primary but basically

Throw it in the builder

[strong cave]

Roll chance until you hit 50 (including weapon mods) then slap CHD everywhere you can

[magic pilot]

Knew you'd enjoy that

There's an OD healer for IH speeds too

[strong cave]

But realistically you should use a build tool

[worn mango]

And is that PFE for mods?

[strong cave]

The actual frick

[magic pilot]

Yes

[strong cave]

I thought my striker healer was bad

[worn mango]

So super utility huh

[hazy steeple]

Okay, saved. Cheers!

[worn mango]

What's that talent on the chest?

[worn mango]

That's cursed

[magic pilot]

Yea it hurts my brain buts its for a super specific role

[strong cave]

I have so many goddamn questions....

Yk what no. Nevermind I don't. Let the nerds cook 🔥

[magic pilot]

Tbh I think my Acosta is yellow

[hazy steeple]

It took me nearly 4 years to get one of each.
I felt so vindicated.

[worn mango]

You rather the vanguard to be super utility instead of OD chest for the extra amp? I'm guessing ideally you aren't truly a DPS

[magic pilot]

Yea the OD chest doesn't apply to group

[strong cave]

That's how it feels for me trying to get a duplicate Strega still eludes me

[magic pilot]

So really no point

[magic pilot]

We had 3 exotics drop from the master mission today. Its AR loot

[worn mango]

I use chest when solo but that's also all red

[magic pilot]

Yea I run chest on that as well

[strong cave]

Hard ass pass no thank you. Not that mission hell no

I'd rather run floor 90 summit

[worn mango]

What would other chest options be? I definitely don't have one of those kicking I don't believe

[magic pilot]

Sub 30 my first run

[strong cave]

That's patience I don't have 💀😭

[magic pilot]

Uhhh

No idea I'm blanking

[worn mango]

I have a Lengmo with double crit but that's it

[magic pilot]

You could run galvanize bp too

Maybe tardigrade?

[strong cave]

Works

[magic pilot]

New chest!

[worn mango]

lol

Don't you dare. But I'm gonna do it just for the expertise in countdown lol

[strong cave]

CD players would be happy if you ran tardi. It's acceptable, just like CC builds and striker

[worn mango]

Badger chest woulidn't be bad for the shotty damage but ultimately not worth it

[magic pilot]

I would go tardigrade or pointman

[worn mango]

I need tardi expertise too, I'll run both for the shenanigans

[magic pilot]

Definitely the best options

[worn mango]

That perfect vanguard?

[magic pilot]

Yea

[worn mango]

Definitely will need to find that

[strong cave]

He could rip off the mask, slap on an OD piece and take catharsis

[magic pilot]

That works too

[strong cave]

Boosts HIS damage and buffs the teams

Even better: coyote mask

[worn mango]

So you're saying I need all six OD pieces now, great

[magic pilot]

Imperial dynasty

[worn mango]

To countdown we go

[strong cave]

That too but ehhhhhhh

[magic pilot]

Shocker punch with Elmo

[strong cave]

Imperial is ass tier lezbe real

[magic pilot]

Melee everyone to proc galvanize

[strong cave]

Stick to DZ

If I see you running shocker punch in CD my ass is going back to Fortnite

😭😭

[strong cave]

Build diversity is a big thing. For each of my main builds, I have separate off- versions of each one

[worn mango]

Well I need 600 inventory for that lol

[magic pilot]

Stash is getting increased next patch!

[strong cave]

If you use best in slot pieces, good example is double crit ceska + oblit. Well, that can go on basically ANY build

[worn mango]

I haven't had to farm for a build in awhile, I've had those kinda cores pieces in red

[strong cave]

Ceska bags are good for slotting anywhere on any build, coyote is a good example, BTSU for skill builds, list goes on

[worn mango]

Nothing really in blue or yellow

[strong cave]

Well, red is king in this game. All content requires damage, good damage. To be efficient of course

If you like popping a squat and just idling legendary for 9 hours with a skill build, that's on you ig 🤣

I get the feeling some of you know what that's like... I can just feel you all watching

[worn mango]

Jeez, going to challenging CD is like cake now compared to that master mission

[strong cave]

Challenging CD with players that know what modifiers are good and what aren't, it's a breeze

[worn mango]

And I'm here using Bluescreen, restorer hive and airbust because of proficiency

[strong cave]

Meanwhile I can just run a mule and get 13k watch points for 130k printer filaments. Still, don't have patience or time for it 😂

[dreamy valve]

I see a lot of pug players using Strega for the manhunt mission for some reason

[fair dragon]

Maybe ask why

Sometimes even we do not have answers for their weird choices

[hazy steeple]

It's a new thing, in a new mission.
Sometimes a chair is just a chair.

[shy willow]

Given how many ads there are it makes sense

Would rather take an Elmo for this one though

[fair dragon]

It may make sense only because they are forcing enemies to spawn, which makes the mission harder for them

But why do you make it harder for yourself? That is a mystery

[worn mango]

I was enjoying the Lexington over the Elmo

[magic pilot]

Elmo actually a good option since you need the ammo retention

[fair dragon]

St. Ammo

[violet smelt]

Hi. For a healer (future initiative) build, is a chest piece with empathic resolve better than FI chest?

I'm thinking because FI chest gives total 25% dmg buff while empathic resolve 15% + 15% from FI totaling 30%

[subtle bluff]

FI Chest is 💯 better than empathic.

With empathic you have to heal for the buff to happen and if you're team is getting all the time there are other issues going on. While FI is just if they're just at full armor.

[violet smelt]

Ok. Thanks!

[subtle bluff]

NP. It’s a great question to ask a lot of people think the same way but it’s all in between words that make correct choice better vs a higher number in most situtations. I’ve seen where empathic has given me more dmg output but it only last for so long and to risk taking more dmg to do more isn’t worth it. It’s the risk reward vs keep it simple.
Also, not sure you know the better of the BP is general “The Setup” and that’ll beat Empathic buff on top of FI Chest.

[violet smelt]

Because I usually play as a healer in legendary and my teammates (randoms) usually need heals everytime lol

Either I heal them constantly or their shield
Is healing their shield procs empathic resolve though?

[subtle bluff]

The Setup will do more dmg in the end.

[violet smelt]

Yeah I've tried using it then using scorpio to mark enemies
I can't do it since my teammates would die if I'm busy marking enemies
So I always on standby healing them, chem launcher always in my hand lol

[subtle bluff]

You can just drop chem heals

Healing a shield isn’t great it’ll really burn thru your heals

Most players forget that the Shield has more armor/hp than them.

If they’re taking that much dmg in legendary then need to change something else.

[shy willow]

Depends on the skill but yes

[urban latch]

Just artificer

[violet smelt]

So, for skill tier 6 I change my specialist to technician?
Since the setup is blue core

[violet smelt]

Oh hi Raucey. I'm a fan

[hexed steppe]

Technically revive works when holstered , but it does get dropped..

[urban latch]

oh true, didnt think of that lol

[hexed steppe]

Question generated by the above conversation.

Would an artificer hive hitting a teamates shield proc empathic.

I'm not sure if it's considered a repair even though it scales with repair

[shy willow]

I believe it has to be an armour heal

[bright raptor]

this is the game's longevity, you can do that, or find a Setup with repair skills already rolled and reroll the core attribute to yellow/skill tier

[subtle bluff]

I'll post my write up in a bit here.

[subtle bluff]

FI Healer

Incursion healer build but it can do it all.
FI Healer mxswat Builder site
TLDR Video of the build

Specialization | Skills

Technician | Restorer Hive/Reinforcer Chem Launcher

Weapons

Primary: Scorpio (Shotgun SIX12)
Secondary: Lefty (Shotgun ACS-12)
Sidearm: Optional any pistol with Reformation

Gear Setup:

Offset pcs Gloves BTSU DataGloves & The Setup
4x Future Initiative (Mask, chest, holster & knees)

Cores

5 Skill Tiers (+1 Technician) | 1 Blue Armor

Attributes & Gear Mods

210 Repair Skill then rest into Skill Haste

Notes

• The Setup does more dmg buffs but if you need more healing the FI backpack can put out a lot more healing.
• The talent Ground Control is only affects per person when they are at full armor.
• Reinforcer Chem Launcher double tapping the skill will drop a heal quickly.
• If your hive is about to run out of charges it's better to destroy it to overcharge to get your chargers back faster, only if it's not a raid or fight with mechanics where you need to save overcharge.
• Overcharging at the end of boss fights to help reset everyone's skills isn't bad.
• This build is good in PvE/Legendary change the Technician to Survival or anything else that would help your team and just make sure your Skill Teir 6

Loot List

Exotic Gloves: BTSU Datagloves
Future Initiative Set: mark, chest, holster & knees (recalib to repair)
Backpack: The Setup (Uzina Getica) Alt: Backpack with talent Opportunistic
Mods:
Hive: Healing, Repair Charges
Chem Launch: Heal & Ammo
Gear Mods: Repair Skills

[trim wedge]

Iron lung 4 stacks make me cry

[violet smelt]

Thank you!
I'm screenshoting this and will watch the video later

Is changing chem launcher to repair drone/repair seeker ball a good idea? You know, to heal a teammate who's far away like in this week's legendary manning zoo

[bright raptor]

No not really

the chem launcher heals the most of the three and usually can be launched well enough

The repair seeker ball can do that but also can get stuck

repair drone is just bad outside of the initial 1-30 story

[violet smelt]

For the backpack all this time I always use alps with safeguard talent
I thought it was the best one since I'm almost always at full armor and the extra 100% repair skills is very strong
Why do you recommend FI backpack though?

[violet smelt]

I see
Thanks
I thought repair drone is good since we can set it to follow a teammate and basically forget it

[shy willow]

The thing is in a situation where your team needs a heal the repair drone isn't gonna cut it

It's quite slow

FI backpack isn't really used that often cuz oppo is more useful

[subtle bluff]

For drone it depends on how much one person he taking damage. Chem Launcher heal is your strong heal.
With Safeguard, if you are at Full Armor, you'll be overhealing your teammate. Making the talent kind not worth it.
The FI backpack if you need more healing GIVE more healing of course within 5m.
You don't need more than 210% Heal Skill anyways. If you need that much healing that means things aren't dying quick enough or things are just going wrong.
FI healer isn't just healer it's a buff bot. In leggo's things need to die. If they aren't the more crap that will come your way and getting overrun is soon to happen.
Take this example in a when I was a pick up for a speedrun for leggo zoo. This was my 2nd run with them and I changed a few things and around skills and other things but me doing CC and Debuff really help them push thru where they couldn't otherwise.

[subtle bluff]

It's not really anymore they were a time and was a place when it helpful. But again at that rate your team isn't output enough dmg to kill stuff.

[violet smelt]

Thank you again

Kinda off topic but you saying "ookaay let's go" in the video reminds me of a meme lol
Also, how do you make "user A used skill X" appears in group chat?
I can't find it in the options menu
Also how to make your hive's radius show up as a circle? Mine just showing green outline like the enemies' healing box

[hazy steeple]

@subtle bluff I don't want to delete the whole thing, but you're going to have to remove that link.

[subtle bluff]

all links?

[hazy steeple]

Any that are to your own channels, unfortunately it's a blanket rule due to scam/spam bots.

You can get someone else to post them, if they are necessary.

[subtle bluff]

I know of it I just... Ugh.

[subtle bluff]

Can I tell people to follow my bio to it right?

[hazy steeple]

Oh sure that should be fine.

[subtle bluff]

Just no Direct links

[violet smelt]

Hi Rivens I'm sorry if I make ImMrChow posting videos. I think he's just trying to help me
Also ImMrChow I'm sorry for dragging you into this

[hazy steeple]

It's not a problem at all, as long as it's fixed there's no worries.

Any action taken against link posting is only after many repeated warnings.

[strong cave]

I can test that on my pvp healer build

But as mentioned, pretty sure it has to be an armor heal

[dreamy valve]

What build have you guys tried for the provocator

[strong cave]

None because tardigrade or unbreakable is just better who wants to waste a perfectly good chest talent for a gimmick exotic?

The only use rn I can maybe see for it is running 4 PC striker with maybe 2 blues and 4 reds. Use it in legendary for reduced damage? Then again not using striker chest plate is a huge nerf for legendary

Besides, running the basic 4pc striker with coyote and ceska chest would still be worth it overall even if the chest talent was unbreakable or obliterate or glass cannon. Why? Most chest plate talents play crucial roles in our builds (damage or survivability). Always remember that killing faster = viable form of survivability

Since you're losing out on 2 good damage talents (oblit or glass cannon) and 2 decent survivability talents (unbreakable or efficient). All for what, 25% less incoming damage? Just take catharsis lol it heals you and gives damage. I think you get the point

[subtle bluff]

Don't sweat it. It's understable. I'm not kicked at least.

[strong cave]

You're too valuable to us

[urban latch]

Why is it a blanket rule though, it was relevant to the ongoing conversation... There used to be a literal carveout in the rule for that when it was relevant/asked for, I don't get why that was removed so the rule could be enforced with zero nuance

[patent fossil]

https://youtu.be/Bmlu0CJIRtM?si=93N9koIsB6I9zjQA is the relevant link mentioned in the above post

[subtle bluff]

I mean I was showing gameplay at the high end of how FI Healer is ran. I just didn't think it matter to much.

[subtle bluff]

I mean if it's just raw url that's not clickable is that ok?

[patent fossil]

Probably not, would still count as self promotion. Usual workarounds are to find someone else's clip that shows what you want, or ask someone else to post your clip, as I just did.

Or point people to a link in your bio

[subtle bluff]

Ya it just like kind of like GCrock even tho they did away with that rule unless it's looks like a very hard self-promote.

[subtle bluff]

Yup I'll do that.

[timber dagger]

Hi - I switched coyote mask with fenris group mask and my fenris group bag to Zwiadowka S.p bag and getting more dps in shooting range is this accurate?

[versed summit]

well the range isn't accurate, but that would buff your sustain dps at the cost of your burst DPS

[craggy lantern]

hi guys im looking to hopefully do the raids at some point is there a build that i should get together to make it easier i have a skill build and the 1 shot rifle build maybe i should get a regen build or a dps tanky build any help would be great there are loads of vid i know but they all claim to be the best looking for builds people actually run lol again thank s in advance

[timber dagger]

@versed summit @versed summit so what's the best for real in-game combat scenario?

[bright raptor]

there are two builds for all raiders not in specialized roles, this high end all red all crit build or an all red all crit Striker setup https://lite.evernote.com/note/0d1135cf-139c-394e-53f6-02c1b8b4cea9

[craggy lantern]

thanks i'll have a look

[solemn otter]

is my build ok

[patent fossil]

Swap chest to ceska, otherwise fine

[solemn otter]

the thing is it has obliterate. is it good @patent fossil

[tulip charm]

ceska is better due to the 8% from brand

[solemn otter]

hmm ok

[patent fossil]

Obliterate is great, yes, it's just the brand that would benefit you to improve

[tulip charm]

also much more universal since you wont be using pistol to benefit from the brand

[solemn otter]

ahh ok

[magic pilot]

Turn hdr off

[timber dagger]

Hi im finalizing my go to build should I choose a glass canon or obliterate chest piece?

[magic pilot]

Probably glass

[timber dagger]

Also can i do burst dps + sustain / 2 to get average best AR from community sheet?

[worn mango]

I wouldn't. Sustain is typically only best on LMG's since mag size. AR's typically use burst

But in the end, Lexington also wins in both anyway

[timber dagger]

@worn mango thanks makes sense

[worn mango]

You could average out each individual shot by body, body+crit, headshot, and headshot+crit. Burst is essentially looked at as damage per second, whereas sustained is a mag dump, and the two really have not much to do with each other.

Burst: (Rate of Fire/60)*Average Damage

Sustained: (Mag size*Average Damage)/(Reload Speed+(Magazine Size/(Rate of Fire/60)))

I should actually say, sustain gets skewed to LMG's due to mag size, not just used. But sustain gets skewed in general to mag size since bigger is better. But most enemies in this game don't need a full mag. But what can also skew that is if it's a big mag, it'll also generally have a higher reload, which keeps you out of fights longer

[vestal ibex]

People value sustain when they can't 1 mag but once you are at that point you should reconsider your build anyway.

[timber dagger]

@vestal ibex whats the ultimate AR build in the game so I don't farm over and over?

[vestal ibex]

The easy answer is F2k/Famas/elmo. The hard answer is it's preference and what you hit more shots with considering most are so close in damage.

[hoary sail]

i run the new named ak with 3 provi with backpack irrestible, fox, grupo gc, fenris nd try to only aim heads

[magic pilot]

It kinda sucks

Slower reload

[hoary sail]

im all chd, chc ak with fast hand. Works for me

[vestal ibex]

tbf almost anything "works"

[magic pilot]

Do I need to send Rauceys video

https://youtu.be/bNtU3BIEkhM?si=JbpjaCalqgEsWJ8s

I swear I've sent this over 20 times

[vestal ibex]

I still like the all grey gear run of DUA legendary.

[bold leaf]

Is that the one with Regulus?

[vestal ibex]

They used elmos and all grey level 1 gear. vid for reference

[dreamy valve]

I even think Catharsis is a pretty overblown exotic

[strong cave]

Got it's niche uses but I'd say it's a B tier exotic at the least

[dreamy valve]

I can only see me using my Catharsis in just one instance

It’s in that steam room at the final boss in legendary tidal mission

But other than that I would just use something else for survivability

[abstract mauve]

it's saved me a bunch in pvp but outside of pvp i have zero use for it

[hexed steppe]

S tier component

[magic pilot]

If you can red core it would be bis in pve

[strong cave]

Nah even in PvE I find it fun to use on heartbreaker

But in PvP it's absolutely S tier

[abstract mauve]

must-have for any regen build imo

a pleasant surprise when it procs during a fight you're losing

[magic pilot]

It not having hazpro is one of the biggest division fails

[abstract mauve]

that would be pretty neat

[strong cave]

Incoming repair does go nuts as an attribute

[magic pilot]

Does absolutely nothing

[rapid jasper]

What is the best way to setup Negotiator's dilemma?(Rolls, weapons, etc) Don't ask, I got bored lol

[patent fossil]

pinned spreadsheet has a nego build among many others

[rapid jasper]

Got it! Thank you(Sorry I'm new around here)

[versed flame]

For example, you can do the same with Elmo, or other weapons.

[strong cave]

it boosts self healing if im not mistaken

ive seen some self healing dz builds go for the incoming repairs bonus. niche use tho

[winged prism]

god thats cursed

makes me wanna try it tho

[magic pilot]

Yea but not from catharsis

So unless you build around healing it doesn't do anything

[novel lion]

Hello everyone! Assembled the equipment with protection from the elite by 75% and with "provocateur". It happens that I get a damage in the radius of 20 meters, rarely, but there is! I do not understand the error or so designed, but the developers did not mention this). Well, has anyone checked "provocateur" in action (PVE only)?

[magic pilot]

Protection from elites does not add to provacateur

75% + 25% does not make you take no dmg

[bleak sequoia]

hot damn, but that's an idea to make it less useless 🤣

[dreamy valve]

Whats this about Heartbreaker not stacking correctly?

[onyx sage]

because it's not 75% + 25%

[hexed steppe]

throw glass on this. youll really benefit a lot with boosts to your shots as well as pesti ticks

[vivid timber]

what do you guys use to trigger oroboro talent?

[onyx sage]

you shouldn't go out of your way to trigger it

[hazy steeple]

Think of Ouro's Talent like reversing lights on a BMW: entirely optional.

[vivid timber]

might aswell use a normal vector then no?

[hexed steppe]

nego is a top dps set, your boredom is about to turn to love. nego is 😍

basically all chd rolls/mods. chest has a secondary chc roll. run all chance on weapon mods if not elmo. m1a cqb is a really good rifle option and maintains a pretty high damage output. classic also good but youll be a little less dps out of it. if you run coyote mask, you can run grupo glass with it and hit around 52% chc with all chd rolls in that setup (max watch dependent, includes 2 secondary chc rolls).

ideally youll never use fox's or contractors if you need to have any primary chc rolls, its damage loss at that point.

youll want the nego bag. your crits transfer 112% of the damage to the marks so kinda must have to maximize the setup.

[rapid jasper]

OOOOOO

[hexed steppe]

many ars can fit there. i usually use elmo because of the mods. sometimes lexington

[rapid jasper]

THANK YOU!

[hexed steppe]

but its preference

yw, nego is one of the setups i must have on all 4 alts

[rapid jasper]

I can't wait to get mine set up! Again, thank you so much!

[hazy steeple]

A normal Vector w/Killer these days is pretty darn strong, just putting that out there.
The buff to that Talent was pretty darn great.

[rapid jasper]

Noted!

[vivid timber]

if im hvaing to low chd then on my lex would it be more effective to use killer over ranger? 51/139

[hexed steppe]

killer still an on kill talent

[strong cave]

Alrighty, I've got the ultimate cheese build of all cheese builds for Dark Zone trolling in SHD or Rogue status:

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MzC0EYCZQNlAGCZEoW1GEC4CsP0RJKarQnbAAcE0c04YVB5JWkALDbMzy+lu2pwooMr3EYswAOzc+85m2mzOUMJHh14sjdRZZw7ZBN4HIssDjCrZMMNLGT2U6tLiVolcKcj520QQkgA

Full hazpro and about as much status effects as you can get. Instead of using regulus, I'm using foam instead . It's purely armor and skill, you're not meant to do weapon damage. just to be annoying. Hence why it's also got overlord!

[rapid jasper]

Would capacitor be okay for Neg Dil?

[strong cave]

Anything I can do to possibly boost the status effects without losing full hazpro?

Or armor or my 6 skill tiers

[hexed steppe]

it can be , but i wouldnt recommend

[rapid jasper]

Got it

[hexed steppe]

kinda be juggling a lot if working with skills as well

[hexed steppe]

does perpetuation work the same in pvp as pve?

[strong cave]

Don't you gotta get headshot kills or just 2 headshots?

[hexed steppe]

no just hs iirc

not kill

[strong cave]

That would be something I'd have to yank off my Eclipse CC pve char and try out in pvp

I got it as a sidearm for "oh shit my status isn't efficient enough"

[hexed steppe]

you can preproc it as well. i dont think it cools down, until its used. i just know it gets spent a lot on eclipse without benefit. itll spend on death spread but not boost. its gotta be a status applied directly by skill to work

[strong cave]

Well, it's good I'm relying on my group to kill the people I foam 😂😂 I cannot wait to plague the dz with this build

You might be into sum with perpetuation, keeping my eyes peeled 👀

[odd elk]

anyone know sone solid OD builds that hold up in both pvp and pve?

i have something thrown together but I though id take a gander at other tuff

[strong cave]

4pc OD, ridgeways pride, ceska bags with crits and wicked

Could also do ninjabike, 3 PC OD, prov chest with crits and unbreakable, and Picaros holster

[odd elk]

i do got a iron lung

[strong cave]

Would work to proc the gearsets mark. You could also just run an EMP pulse to proc the talent when nearby players

Most don't run hazpro or high skill tiers

Alternatively you could run 4 PC OD, Coyote, and ceska bag with wicked

For solo play 4 PC OD, ceska piece, memento backpack

Loads of options

[odd elk]

i hate momento even though the one i got is really good

[hexed steppe]

swap the ep knee for ceska. yoll free up a hazpro roll to swap to status somewhere else, and also get a second attribute. leaving you with 5% more status at zero loss in the trade

[strong cave]

Memento is the hardest working exotic in the game and provides good benefits for solo players. Just alot of run and gun

[odd elk]

so like run the ceska momento for pve coyote ceska for pvp?

[strong cave]

Personally for me I use OD as a full damage setup. All red + crits. Coyote mask and ceska bag with unstoppable force. You can run it solo if you take 4 PC OD, ceska mask, memento backpack with mixed red and blue cores

For pvp, I recommend heavily ridgeways pride and ceska bag with wicked. Blue cores on the 4 pieces with OD

Crits everywhere you can

[odd elk]

i normally run 4 blue 2 red on most builds

[strong cave]

With memento you can get away with 4B 3R in pvp

Ofc with stacks

[strong cave]

✌️👌 absolute godsend thank you 🔥

[strong cave]

Ceska 2pc bonus 20 hazpro ye?

[hexed steppe]

yeah

[strong cave]

Alright let's math it out bc ugh complication.

10 Hazpro + Yaahl 10 + 10 from Keener + 10 wyvern + 10 Golan + 10 Brazos + 30 ceska = 80 hazpro

Wait huh

90 **

Damn fingers

Is there an immunity chart I can find for all the hazards??

[hexed steppe]

yeah in the sheet

[strong cave]

Might ditch a few mods for the more popular hazards people run

Fire, foam, bleed

[hexed steppe]

there is also another.. possibility . cav 2pc is 30% haz but im not sure if you can work it in without losing something

[strong cave]

I'd end up losing an attribute but eclipse actually has 30 hazpro built into it

With status effects too. The build tool doesn't detect that

So on reality ceska nerfs the build slightly

Who woulda thought ninjabike builds can be nerfed KEKEKEKEKEK

[hexed steppe]

yeah but its the same trade

ceska cav alone covers 50% haz

before rolls anyways

[strong cave]

At the expense of what other attributes necessary? Probably status and haste

Lemme check it out rq if rolling cav might be better

[hexed steppe]

technically cav directly replacing ep gives immunity

at the loss of some se

i would look to see what type of impact each status roll affects the build, it may be pretty minor

[strong cave]

Ye I'd lose status effects which I don't wanna lose too much of. I know in pvp status effects do bring diminishing returns so I want the best possible status at the start as I can

The foam lasting as long as it can is crucial to ending and rolling manhunts

[hexed steppe]

how impacting is the ba skilltier. if you rolled one armor to skilltier to maintain the cores, would you lose too much survivability.

[kindred mango]

I'm going to attempt the Manhunt climax mission solo shortly. Any build recommendations?

[strong cave]

Don't do it solo. Don't do it on heroic. In fact don't even do it at all tbh. It's annoying to play

[hexed steppe]

i know on pve cc build i lose around 1 sec per 10% status effects. i know pvp has different stats tho

[strong cave]

Exotic is ass tier, any other exotic drop is more rewarding than that

If you wanna laugh through pain, matchmake on Master or Heroic 🔥

[kindred mango]

That doesn't sound like fun

lmao

[strong cave]

It sadly isn't 💀😭

Dont wanna talk too bad on it but let's be real here it's really annoying

[strong cave]

Pvp status effects still work to an extent. I have a full st Elmo's status build that I run and the shock duration on it is so laughably long. It's like you're watching a knife slowly go through a stick of butter, that's how long the duration is. Well, I want a build where I foam people and cannot be foamed

[kindred mango]

I've seen the mechanics. bit of a chore

[strong cave]

Hence, I created this one 😂

[odd elk]

youre better off doing a solo countdown then the manhunt is what someone told me

[strong cave]

It drops in countdown?

[odd elk]

no

[strong cave]

Holup I stupid 😭

I'm too baked for this

[kindred mango]

solo countdown doesn't sound like fun either tbh

[odd elk]

more fun then the manhunt probably

[strong cave]

Countdown basically the only content we play anymore 💀

[odd elk]

ive only heard people shitting on it

[odd elk]

countdown goated anyway

[kindred mango]

Except when it crashes at the end lol

[odd elk]

or you get softlocked

or when you stutter and rubberband

or run into invisble walls

[kindred mango]

or when someone brings drones or something silly to the hunter fight

[strong cave]

Or calls the chopper 2m 41s early.

[kindred mango]

yes lol

[strong cave]

I was PISSED

I let all hell break loose in game chat

[odd elk]

i get so annoyed but its whatever

[kindred mango]

pre mature extractions aren't good

[strong cave]

Nah fk that I'm 100% verbally abusing my group members in game chat

I'm shd 13k I got Shyte to do broski

[odd elk]

i just message the person after the thing

a little heads up not to call it early

[kindred mango]

Someone told me they were going to come to my house and shoot me in the head becaure I said don't use a drone/turret in the chat. That is a little bit harsh lol

[strong cave]

At this point I literally guide every group through countdown bc everybody apparently forgot how to play a 6 year old game

[odd elk]

ive had someone threaten me over running umbra

[strong cave]

Sounds like today's DZ scramble i had in game chat

[odd elk]

dz beef gets real

[strong cave]

Bro whined about being flagged on and killed by me, I dropped him and his buddy and he tryna do pve content in a pvp zone 😂

He slaps on a pvp build, his buddy throws on a mortar cheese meta, and camps turrets whole time. Doesn't even fight. We easily get manhunt 😂

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MzC0EYCZQNlAGCZEoW1GEC4CsP0RJKarQnbAAcE0c04YVB5JWkALDbMzy+lu2pwooMr3EYswAOzc+85m2mzOUMJHh14sjdRZZw7ZBN4HIssDjCrZMMNLGT2U6tLiVolcKcj520QQkgA

This will start a server war. And I'm boutta build this rn

Crafting bench and 13k watch points here I come

[odd elk]

60 haz prot

are we deaduzz

[strong cave]

60?? Should be 100. Bug with build tool doesn't recognize Eclipse has a 2 pc bonus for 30 hazpro

It only recognizes the status effects

Skill tier 6 foam build, max tier bulwark shield, high armor build with unbreakable

Perfect for annoying your prey

[hexed steppe]

not bugged

[wary forge]

Guys i have a few questions..
I love one shot builds for xp farming, normally when i run solo i use pistol build - i got around 18-20mi damage per bullet (expertise 27)

But in group sometimes isnt enough to one shot.. so today i tried the rifle one shot build.. and im geting around 24mi per bullet ( expertise 12)

The setup is: • 1886 rifle with dmg to armor • Zwiadowka mask, • Zwiadowka Holster, • Perfect headhunter chest, • The gift backpack/ Memento, • contractor gloves and •fox prayer

So to improve the rifle build, worth put 2 Zwiadowka, 2 breakpoint, fox prayers and perfect headhunter?

Or even worth ninja bp?

I want to one shoot without trouble in a group of 4..

With the pistol i do perfectly solo.

Have any dmg calculator website to test the combinations instead of waste resources?

[wary forge]

In this case Zwiadowka bp with vigilance.. or Zwiadowka headhunter chest to put memento with 2 breakpoint

[subtle bluff]

You will always do less damage with NBB.

[wary forge]

Ok! So any suggestion please?

[subtle bluff]

Damage to Target Out of Cover instead of DTA.

[shy willow]

If they're trying to push more damage at max stacks DTA will be better

Not sure where you need more than 24m damage though

Should be plenty for one shotting 4 man elites

[wary forge]

Yes and i choose dmg to armor cuz fox prayer already have dtoc

[wary forge]

Idk also, i just tested it today with a friend, just two in group

[tame solar]

best gear set for a rifle build. Asking for a friend.

[tulip charm]

OD

[tame solar]

nvm he wants to do a big horn build any tips?

[shy willow]

For PVE?

Headshot striker probably

[wary forge]

Pvp regen headshot build or all red umbra, for pve striker or hearthbreak imo

[scenic badger]

Ok yall whatchu think this is a support lmg build

[subtle bluff]

How it is a support?

[bold leaf]

Needs a rework. You've got Coyotes for crits but heartbreaker for headshots or pulsed enemies. Relying solely on your pulse skill leaves a long downtime with no pulsed enemies. If you want to do crits you need crit rolls on those hb pieces, at the bare minimum.

But yeah there's not much support either.

[lilac crest]

looking for help on understanding on how to make some decent builds to solo in PVE, would like a PVP build as well. havent played in so long so very rusty, tbh no clue what the build i have right now is. got a mic to talk about it as well

[fair dragon]

With PvE it's very simple. In almost every case in solo PvE, all content in the game is essentially a DPS check, so you will need an all-red build. You can add a few blues for some survivability but it's going to take you longer to get the job done. Avoid "tank" builds, even in groups - you'll just end up being an extra decoy.

[versed flame]

yes, the anti-elite build is a very narrow application, but convenient

[fair dragon]

The decoy build

[timber dagger]

Is there a way i can boost dmg output ?

[urban latch]

Assuming you've got your minor attributes both chc/chd, that's a really nice setup for only 63 shd

[timber dagger]

Thanks I built this by getting advice from people on here and watching division 2 youtube videos. I altered youtube advice because my mag is small and I have to use this bag to get "sustain" dps once i get the ar mag blueprint I will switch the build again

[boreal ingot]

Want a build something around doctor home, any suggestion, and yeah I know it's not that good but I just wanna have fun and do some experiment with non-meta unconventional build

[bright raptor]

does the scope still not count for Focus?

[patent fossil]

Red future initiative?

[boreal ingot]

it doesn't, don't know for sure. I thought it does but never test it

[boreal ingot]

probably focus on dmg but it can heal pt all the same... not as much as dedicate healer but they do heal about half of what heal build could I believe.

[fair dragon]

Kettle stands corrected

[boreal ingot]

Now I try to look up each exotic I have and try build around it like Doctor Home, Sweat Dream, Merciless,

[fair dragon]

You don't have to have an exotic in your Loadout

[boreal ingot]

I know, I just wanna try using them, I feel like they sleep in my statsh and never see it use XD

Currently I equip DH on my 1 shot rifle build

might change headhunter for focus if it work on dh though

[shy willow]

more often than not there's very good reasons why most exotics stay in the stash

also don't use an m1a or any rifle other than the 1886 for headhunter

[boreal ingot]

yea it was my 1886 build. and yeah I know, but I just wanna have some fun with exotic I never intent to use before.

might change to my crit build and see how dh go though

[hearty plume]

Could anyone point me in a good direction for a heart breaker build that has good crit chance and crit damage

[bright raptor]

pinned post, The Spreadsheet 2 -> Hub -> Heartbreaker

[jaunty citrus]

So I'm running around in my province dps build, and am trying out backfire with it. It seems to do amazing in countdown, and am wondering if there are any other builds where this fun smg is viable

[hazy steeple]

The most important thing about Backfire is that you negate the bleed cost, so any setup that does that will help show off its recent buffs quite nicely.

[devout iris]

so what gear pieces shall i use for a rifle build

[hazy steeple]

I'm partial to a high-end one, but gearset does work quite nicely.
That goes for both answers lol.

[jaunty citrus]

Like I said just ran a challenging countdown with a full group, was easily able to hold my own, and because of the group size was able to eat the bleed with very little worry

[hazy steeple]

Countdown isn't a great place to test a builds viability, as it has weird buffs and scaling.

[boreal ingot]

is BTSU overcharge has range like only people inside hive aoe got overcharge, or does everyone in raid got it effect no matter where they stand? And if multiple people down with their revive hive on cd, if I overcharge during that time, will revive hive pop, or only when they alive that it will affect them?

[devout iris]

man, no response for me huh

[hazy steeple]

The question does get asked and answered a lot, I kind of thought it would get the usual response from someone else, as I was busy.
But if you really want to know, the usual answer given is: OD.

[devout iris]

so 4 red piece OD for rifle?

[hazy steeple]

I'm sure someone more in the know will come to the rescue.

[devout iris]

so for chest piece chain, and as for back pack the gift maybe

cause i was maybe thinking ridgeway's exotic chest piece here for a second

[hazy steeple]

If it's Determined, a loss of Headhunter might hurt, but again; this is super not my forte.

[devout iris]

eh don't worry i wasn't going to use determined on my gun but maybe use boomerang on my ACR SS

[hazy steeple]

Maybe check out iKia's channel, it should have a link in the description of his current build list. The one in the spreadsheet is a bit old.

They're the one (maybe 2-3 in total) div2 youtubers who I'd suggest for builds.

[shy willow]

4 pcs OD with chest and a ceska vigi bag with coyote

and just throw on any sadist rifle

all crits

can slot in foxes too

theres nothing special for rifles you can just kind of throw them onto any crit set that doesn't rely on stacks

umbra, OD, high end, aces, whatever

[urban latch]

Backfire really doesn't need any haz pro imo, it's far better off on just a typical build and you deal with the minor bleed for a couple reloads.

[hazy steeple]

I can't see a world where it's advised to take the bleed over a regular SMG w/killer or some other such talent.

A good high-end setup with it works great, you don't need whatever gearset combo is popular right now.

[bold leaf]

I like the idea of Backfire, I just wish the visual effect of the bleed wasn't so jarring

[devout iris]

well the best way to deal with it is if you have haz pro on your stuff

[urban latch]

The backfire does so much damage it's well worth it. You stop bleeding after 2-3 reloads now, so it's really nbd

[boreal ingot]

Which is better Capacitor vs Test Subject? If Test subject is better, might change to Scorpio for skill build.

[magic pilot]

we need to retest this setup

@urban latch have you tried backfire in master yet?

[hexed steppe]

Btsu Oc affects team regardless of range. Granted, I've never tested if a teamate was across the map, but if everyone is at the same area/mission it definitely applies. needs skilltier 6 to affect team.
You can reset revive hives, but if someone is down already with an on cooldown hive, after oc resets I dont think it procs revive. It would need to be ready at time they were downed, afaik. Someone will correct me if this is incorrect

[urban latch]

Me and souless are finally working through all the theo bullshit today

[hexed steppe]

Something I been using steady, whatcha looking to retest about it?

[magic pilot]

st elmo got a slight chc nerf, so coyotes might be better now

[magic pilot]

ok lmk, i have it done so i can run with you

[blazing egret]

Anyone know a good memento build?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, any solid dps, ceska piece, memento

Nego/striker/heartbreaker/umbra/hunters fury all do well with memento

[blazing egret]

What weapon works best with hybrid high armor high DMG

[patent fossil]

Eagle Bearer

(as long as you keep getting kills)

[hexed steppe]

if you have a build in mind post it and youll get more tailored advice to the setup

[blazing egret]

Don't have EB, I got pestilence, st. Elmo's, chameleon, blue screen, and backfire

[hexed steppe]

most damage weapons are gonna do good on a damage set, and lag behind the more armor you have. you can probably make something work but at the same time it is gonna be slower going. if you utilize something like headhunter you can probably get away with more armor, but you gotta make sure the damage is there for a 1 shot kill with the armor you have.

something like capacitor can be kinda handy on a skill/damage hybrid.
if looking for just a general use dps that can have some armor/aok look at heartbreaker and hunters fury. memento is good on both and does a lot for survivability, boosts shields. tech class added further boosts shields amd adds tech laser that heartbreaker uses for pulsing

just remember, if you try to pull a build in too many directions it ends up lacking in everything.

[blazing egret]

I'll try looking into heart breakers or hunters fury

[hexed steppe]

there are some good guides in the sheet. itll get you into thr right direction. usually a few variants in each guide

*pinned spreadsheet, in this channel 📌

[blazing egret]

Appreciate the advice I'll get started on it

[hexed steppe]

slight nerf but matches the rifle pretty close now. i been using ceska/fox glass, or coyote/grupo glass. i been also using the global modifiers so my damage numbers been pretty skewed lately tbf

either setup im not dedicating any primary rolls to chc

[dreamy valve]

Depends if you want short term boost or long term boost but better

[hexed steppe]

capacitor pretty goated for almost all skill builds. scorpio not so much unless its like eclipse status.

[maiden jasper]

whats the best talent for AR in DD build?

[boreal ingot]

I try hard wire for grenade build but somehow my skill went on full cd every time I place hive/turret, is that normal?

like my grenade went from 15 to full 30 sec cd after I place hive

[versed flame]

do you have a screenshot of the build to understand?

[boreal ingot]

work in shooting range but when I do heroic just now, it went full cd everytime I place hive on floor

[versed flame]

work in shooting range but when I do heroic just now, it went full cd everytime I place hive on floor

this is my version of the build

[boreal ingot]

IDK what happen is it a bug, it work now, but a moment ago, it didn't at all

[versed flame]

World modifiers perhaps?check the modifiers in the clothes

[hexed steppe]

cool skills directive

[boreal ingot]

I don't use any modifier

or directive

[hexed steppe]

your session solo, or joined another in matchmaking

[boreal ingot]

join another but no mod/directive pt

[hexed steppe]

when you use a skill , cool skills put the other skill on cooldown... just fyi

has a snowflake at top of screen if active

session host controls

[boreal ingot]

I know but like I said, no directive pt, it has nothing next to mission name, it ws the 1st thing I look at

[hexed steppe]

next time it happens , take a screenshot

[boreal ingot]

I ask th ept and they said, they have no idea too so I ask them to wait so I can change build

[boreal ingot]

sure

[hexed steppe]

also with matchmaking , when party lead leaves, someone else gets the session, but its still on the original settings. so host may not really know whats going on if they are new or w/e.

[winged prism]

are you sure you didnt accidentally deactivate the skill after using it?

[boreal ingot]

nah skill went from 15 to 30 sec once I place my skill, so I can't use it. Well, at least it work now.

[winged prism]

oh that is weird, if it was cool skills the cooldown cant max out if its already on a countdown, rly weird it would do that

[dreamy valve]

Do you guys pick Optimist or Fast Hands for Lexington

[subtle bluff]

I'm measured or ranger.

[odd elk]

so im curious as to what the difference is between and pvp and pve build

because ive seen strikers and some high end builds that would probably work great in dz pvp at least

[magic pilot]

PvP is mostly focused around blue cores

Pve is all red

[odd elk]

then why do some people run blues? is it just a build thing

[magic pilot]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/e276d9da-3885-ebd9-5354-35b77ed1c75c

[magic pilot]

Makes them feel better

You can run blue in pve it just takes longer to do stuff

[odd elk]

oh alright

[strong cave]

yeahhhhh i found that out this morning. i went with cavalier. just pieced the build together, its so cursed 😂

[hexed steppe]

Flatline

[hexed steppe]

Nice

[peak rover]

Got the heroic build... chat... I got backfire it's shit but I like it

[warm knot]

Killer/Flatline/Sadist 🙂‍↔️. I wish we could do the reload cancel thing from div 1.

I'd run optimistic or strained if we could do that.

[hazy steeple]

You can change that "heroic" to "heretic".

[warm knot]

Come on you made me laugh :c

[magic pilot]

backfire is goated

[strong cave]

I recommend committing to just one gearset. That backpack is carrying too much weight, you can only pick between strikers and hunters fury

If you want survivability + DPS, hunters fury. Striker for pure DPS

Should fix the gun feeling like shit, after you unlock a full gearset talent 🤯

[warm knot]

Try memento instead of ninjabike

[strong cave]

That too ^^ it is the hardest working exotic in the game of course

Memento will unlock huge bonuses as you gain stacks. Weapon Damage, armor, skill efficiency. It gives passive armor regen as well, a very good survivability+damage+utility backpack

You could ditch the chem launcher and go with more survivability and take a ballistics shield. Memento having a blue and yellow core gives your shield 2 tiers. Memento buffs it further. Lots of good options to pick from 🔥

[warm knot]

You can also combo that with the intimidate talent. It synergies good with smgs. Ceska or sokolov chest are the best for crit hunter's fury imo.

[strong cave]

This too, viable options. HF locks you into close quarters, may as well play the part of it

[shy willow]

Build thing normally

[warm knot]

Shield tier also scales with blue cores. You see, in my hunter's fury build (HF is a PvE build) I have a tier 5 (4b 1y 3r). But the main reason for the blue cores here is to increase survivability, since I'm out of cover 98% of the time, also, you get more bonus armor for memento token, that helps intimidate to keep running and get less damage to my 'normal' armor. That said, I'm already hitting 933k on crit with dark winter (with all memento stacks+intimidate+hf stacks), so in that case, running any extra red core would be a waste. Also, I'm not a pvp player so idk how it works there.

I think HB set also works in that way. The more armor you have, the higher will be the bonus armor you get per hit, since its percentage 🤔

[boreal ingot]

lol just construct armor regen build but on pt with directive no regen so my armor sitting duck 😛

[rapid jasper]

nego is a top dps set, your boredom is about to turn to love. nego is 😍

basically all chd rolls/mods. chest has a secondary chc roll. run all chance on weapon mods if not elmo. m1a cqb is a really good rifle option and maintains a pretty high damage output. classic also good but youll be a little less dps out of it. if you run coyote mask, you can run grupo glass with it and hit around 52% chc with all chd rolls in that setup (max watch dependent, includes 2 secondary chc rolls).

ideally youll never use fox's or contractors if you need to have any primary chc rolls, its damage loss at that point.

youll want the nego bag. your crits transfer 112% of the damage to the marks so kinda must have to maximize the setup.

Just dragging this for personal reminder

[vivid timber]

Anyone got a bighorn armour regen build they can share?

[glass cargo]

Any one shot builds? For pve run or dmr legendary builds

[cerulean smelt]

there are one shot builds but you build up to it. look up any headhunter build and you'll see

think a popular easy one is headhunter + determined build

like other server i saw HHF build using regulus. tried it out and i'm pretty impressed with it XD

[subtle bluff]

Search the channels there's a lot here.

[subtle bluff]

Looked in the 📍 pinned messages.

[onyx sage]

localdeck cosplay?

[humble meteor]

is a backfire bleed resistance build viable in group PvE content?

or is it always just strikers full dps

[hazy steeple]

It depends on what group content you're talking about, but for Heroic missions/activities that aren't the Incursion: you'll do fine with it.

[humble meteor]

so legendary incursion and raid are a no go?

I got a proper strikers but I kind of want to try something exotic and get other viable builds to farm for

[hazy steeple]

The Incursion is locked to Heroic difficulty, you can't alter it.
Same as the Raid, you can only do it on "normal", which is about Heroic level as well.

(you can do an easier version of the Raid too, called "Discovery", but it doesn't reward any of the Raid-locked stuff)

[fair dragon]

If you are really experienced at the raids, you can probably get an exemption from the raid leader to use your own build. But as a rule of thumb, if you don't absolutely know what you're doing, don't take the path less traveled

[hazy steeple]

There's a list of builds 📌 pinned in the spreadsheet of this channel, check any that have been update to "year 6, season 2", all of those are Heroic-viable.

[subtle bluff]

Backfire is yes the highest once built up but it's handling and at long ranges sucks.
We use backfire for incursion because we can control the speed of ads and how quickly we vs just kill everything.
The other issue being bleed is that messes with your movement.
In solo PvE there's a lot of playstyle that matter how well you can use different builds.
I almost never use Backfire for mission or difficulty where you can easily kill enemies that don't require that much dmg.

[hazy steeple]

I know the order of late is to just take the bleed, but I still caution the use of a build that doesn't have the required HazPro to negate it.
You can still get a solid build out of a high-end setup and negate the bleed, it just takes some fine tuning farming, and 1 piece of Yaahl.

[strong cave]

I typically run Umbra + Ninjabike with Ceska + Yaahl to get the full hazpro. Umbra has built in CHD so you can afford to lose CHD for hazpro. Backfire gives even more CHD. It's a viable option for hazpro lovers, but I'd recommend striker hazpro at that point bc it'll do more damage (assuming backfire is desired to be used instead of just the normal striker setup)

[subtle bluff]

Okay... my issue with backfire is that its damage on an HE or Hazpro build is just as good as that of a normal striker build with a better-handling gun.

Your trading in CHD stacks vs AMP dmg stacks.

[urban latch]

As a weapon, the backfire is literally the best option right now in the incursion (outside 1 shot strats). But as chow mentioned you won't want haz pro on it, you'll just gain bleed immunity after a few reloads, and then just maintain stacks after that.

For raids it will depend on the boss fight. Some it would be very good, like boomer, where it's a longer fight and you can easily maintain stacks. Others will be too short or infrequent ads that would make maintaining stacks difficult.

[limber storm]

Really trying to min max this with some bits. Originally had 2 piece Ceska with this but altered to put something like this together (Still got to min/max some slots).

Is there any gear that can make it better? Tried contractors and has similar DMG output but loses the armour so prefer this.

Any help would be appreciated.

[urban latch]

see above and lose the haz pro

[uncut willow]

someone have advice for my dps build

[patent fossil]

Prob swap holster to fenris, gloves to contractors, and mask to coyotes? It's pretty close to and old-fashioned standard crit build otherwise

[versed flame]

The talent is on a backpack, it's more for a sniper.

[uncut willow]

someone have advice for my dps build ?

i just need glass canon

[patent fossil]

oh yeah, and vigilance on BP generally

[uncut willow]

ok thank

[uncut willow]

why old fashioned ? what is the new dps build ?

[patent fossil]

check the pinned spreadsheet for a guide. You could also swap the pistol to something a bit more useful like Kard Custom (for extra hive charge when rezzing teammates) or mosquito or bee exotics for damage amp when needed

Striker outclasses high end now (once stacks are up, anyway), as does Ongoing Directive I believe

[uncut willow]

sorry but where i can find the pinned spreadsheet

[patent fossil]

pinned messages in this channel

this one: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

[uncut willow]

ho ok thank

[uncut willow]

so a build like this is better ?

[patent fossil]

the high-end one is still a popular choice though, especially in raids where you can't always maintain striker stacks

top striker loadout in most circumstances now is perfect glass cannon and (perfect) vigilance with 4pc striker

[versed flame]

Without a vest!You won't collect as many stacks in the world!

[patent fossil]

the striker chest only comes into play in situations where you can manage to get 200 stacks (incursion, some raid bosses, etc)

[bold leaf]

Yeah the incursion is the only place I've ever needed the chest, anything else will do for 99% of the game

[patent fossil]

^ this version is slightly lower damage than glass cannon/vigilance but doesn't punish you as much for getting shot

[versed flame]

The vest, as mentioned above, is a sortie, or a legendary one, it is rather useless in the world.

[uncut willow]

ok thank

[versed flame]

not everyone comes to the glass), and not immediately))

[limber storm]

Took in your points 👊 I only have the Haz Pro on the striker bits so will be running at 50% but that’s just because I want a bit of survivability in the build. Feels a lot stronger by getting that extra 48% CHD

[patent fossil]

no but he did mention planning on getting glass cannon earlier in the chat, so I figured it was fine to recommend here

[urban latch]

you absolutely want to be at 60% CHC with the backfire. whatever all those blue minor attribues/mods are, youd be better off swapping those out for crit

[limber storm]

It’s at 58% so don’t really want to role a CHC on for the 2%

[urban latch]

its literally worth it on the backfire

thats how strong your crits are compared to non-crits

[versed flame]

Change a couple of things

[humble meteor]

thanks for the input on the backfire bleed build question. looking for a new build to grind for after having strikers maxed (both obliterate chest and striker chest).

I am also looking at a potential hunter fury build or something i can rock the oro with once that drops for me

[versed flame]

This?

[warm knot]

HF crit. I run an extra blue core and sokolov instead. Idk why I love that build so much lol

[humble meteor]

is there a build info for this? not that good at deciphering logos yet. is that ninjabike or memento? I mainly try to do co-op so memento is probably not that good due to kill requirement?

[fair dragon]

Memento. And yeah not very effective in group play

[rapid jasper]

MAYYYBEEEE

[versed flame]

The armor is for personal taste!like memento))

[hazy steeple]

Memento is very strong, even if you only factor in the short/long stuff.

There's a reason it's popular on most CQC setups.

[warm knot]

I can keep memento running in groups, and sometimes get more kills than everyone with this build, but you gotta play extra aggressive. Ouroboros isn't good for this build imo, I prefer DW. You get a tier 5 or 6 shield with this build, just scorpio them or go after a red or purple enemy first.

Also, get the chc to at least 58 and chd > 120.

Having and Exp weapon helps too. I have exp 17

[hazy steeple]

@humble meteor Just an FYI: NBB (ninja bag) is pretty much a newb-trap, and you won't ever really see it on a "serious" build.

Memento on the other hand, is probably the best overall Exotic gear we have right now.

[humble meteor]

I got dark winter, but want to try the oro once it drops… if

i rock DW on my strikers

[hazy steeple]

Dark Winter is great! Especially with the recent buffs.
Ouro got a very small nerf, but is still really good.

dtooc (damage to target out of cover) as the 3rd attribute on either will be the meta, as with every gun in the game lol.

[warm knot]

That dw buff was kinda.... well unnecessary. I won't complain tho

[humble meteor]

I think it‘s CHD as third, since i goofed and calibrated CHC years ago before optimizing was a thing

maybe I target farm smgs in countdown next time around for another shot at it

[warm knot]

You cant get dw in countdown!

[hazy steeple]

Killer 100% needed a buff, but 90% on the Dark Winter was nuts.
As the president of its fan-club for the last 5 years; I'm not complaining.

[humble meteor]

oh right, dz gun

[warm knot]

You can get it sometimes in countdown or dz vendors too, I think there was one in CD vendor about 3 weeks ago. It also drops from any named item caches, you can buy those with countdown credits too.

[humble meteor]

i‘d rather get exotics caches, more value imo

[dreamy valve]

finally got a UIC with dtooc, now time to test it out next season

[charred eagle]

Anybody got a good survivability build?

[dreamy valve]

for what content

[bold leaf]

If it's for PvE the best form of survival is to out damage your enemy. No enemy, no problem xD

[versed flame]

Yes!and do it quickly!))

[dreamy valve]

sometimes full dps can be a hinderance and not always the best solution for every player

[bold leaf]

True. I've yet to find a good build for PvE that has decent damage output but also damage mitigation or healing as a solo player, so I always lean into max damage now.

[dreamy valve]

You can use a 5 blue core striker build with ACS12

with memento