td2-build-advice

[magic pilot]

Spaghetti code moment

[keen plover]

What’s the op bulwark build I keep getting murked w in the DZ? 😂 I just wanna loot man. But I need something to combat these 4 man’s running around looking for looters

[tulip charm]

Regulus

[prime hare]

Hey Guys, would you say 3 piece lengmo would be better for an lmg build, or 3 piece petrov?

[fresh fox]

lengmo

but also use contractors

[prime hare]

The only issue I have with that is that it's really hard to get chc and chd at the same time for lengmo. Or should I just leave the blue core?

[prime hare]

Already have!

[fresh fox]

so 3pc lengmo + contractors + 2 other thing

[fresh fox]

if you want the blue cores yea

all depends what you want from it

[bright raptor]

getting double crit chance + crit damage on Lengmo pieces is what passes for game longevity these days

[prime hare]

So leaving the blue core is okay you'd say?

[bright raptor]

if you want the armor

[prime hare]

The thing is for the backpack I'd have to get extremely lucky to be able to change the blue core

But thanks for all the advice tho

[fresh fox]

use backbone

a tad easier to get imo

[prime hare]

But I can't get composure with backbone...

[fresh fox]

it’s ok unstoppable force is better

[prime hare]

I kinda wanted to do an all out cover build with ninjabike kneepads, but you're probably right...

[magic pilot]

3 lengmo, coyotes, fox, contractors for good tick dmg and good weapon dps

For just weapon dps, sacrifice, 3x lengmo, contractors and coyotes

[prime hare]

I know coyotes is the meta, but I really want to try a cover build. I will keep it in mind tho, thanks!

[hexed steppe]

All explosive/fire/oxi skills are affected by dta, afaik. Not kinetic like turret/drone tho.

Usually cap and in sync shotgun are prefered on those build types because both have native 12% dta

[wintry mirage]

Made this new build using the legatus brand set with the two named items for max optimal range and paired with perfect versitile for more damage and gunslinger which works amazing with the centurion scabbard and it works amazing tried in legendary DUA and it works great

[hoary sail]

Is unstoppable worth on a headshoot build like the hotshoot?

[tulip charm]

imo not really. Either you use vigi for consistence dmg or bloodsucker. imo

[hoary sail]

i have the gift. Im trying to loot the halsburg with red stats 🤣.

[tulip charm]

Hasburg backpack isnt necessary.

Its more of a flex item/super minmaxing

An airaldi backpack is more than enough

[hoary sail]

i know it's just kip me play the game. But i will try unstoppable maybe on a provi backpack

[tulip charm]

go for it

[hoary sail]

i have chest with headhunter

[tulip charm]

chainkiller?

[hoary sail]

no the no perfect talent on a airaldi chest

[tulip charm]

chainkiller + airaldi back is better

¯_(ツ)_/¯

as long as you can one shot consistently its whatever

[hoary sail]

ok i will try that

[fresh fox]

yea

only perfect unstoppable though

and if you are solo

[mild loom]

Can you share more what makes this build good? How does optimal range work ?

[vestal ibex]

It's just a high end SMG build that's going for an odd angle...

[tulip charm]

Im too dumb to use a build like that

Too much switching

[vestal ibex]

It would literally be swapping all the time to try to juggle buffs where you could use another build and just have that damage all the time.

It's really playing into the season tho.

[lean slate]

What are some builds that work well on legendary solo missions? My Striker, Heartbreaker and Foundry Shield build aren't really cutting it. The shield works (20 mil) but it just takes years.

[versed summit]

What does your striker build look like?

[vestal ibex]

Might be a strats thing and not a build thing.

[lyric jungle]

hello is this build still good been a long time since last played lol

[tulip charm]

You want a ceska chest piece and not run striker chest unless you’re running incursion or legendary

[lyric jungle]

okay perfect thanks!

[shut wing]

Can anyone confirm if summit floor 90 can drop st elmo's engine on challenging?

[lyric jungle]

how do you drop the lexington ar

[lean slate]

Red cores, St Elmo and Coyote. I only really run it for trash stuff. I was thinking about a all blue core Striker build? And then all other minors into crit damage and chance etc

[tulip charm]

Impossible

It was a login reward before jan 1st

[lyric jungle]

would st elmo be better

[tulip charm]

Elmo is good utility so yeah

[prime hare]

Is it just me, or are the pvp Google docs empty in the pinned message?

[magic pilot]

I'll check for you

Works fine for me?

[prime hare]

Hold up

The ones from DecoPro

It just says file empty

But I'm probably missing something anyway. Thanks for taking the time tho

[strong cave]

Should be able to, I don't see why not

[fresh fox]

dont use those ones then

just use evernote

[bright raptor]

doesn't make a difference, one airburst or one minitank grenade and you will still be on the ground

[rich lotus]

Yeah he deleted them some time ago

Can just @ him and ask ig

[magic pilot]

They were super outdated, the one I have posted we made with deco as well. And it's current to this patch

[prime hare]

Thanks for the answers!

[marble maple]

Does a 6 skill tier shield have the same hp as a 6 armour core shield?

[shy willow]

Yes

[merry basalt]

best set for diamondback? im just using it as a placeholder in myu hotshot build with my sniper rn

gonna pair it with chain killer gonna go full headshot

already hitting 16 mil per shot with the hotshot setup anyhow

knifepoint i assume?

[shy willow]

Negotiators is pretty decent with it

[merry basalt]

well even with the hotshot im at 205% headshot

plus the chainkiller, lemme see ill grab some negotiators

[marble maple]

If Im running 6 red cores on a hunters fury build would running obliterate be better over intimidate

[merry basalt]

i run intimidate since i pair it with either the memento or if i wanna play smart the liquid engineer since the bouns armor just gives more damage

[marble maple]

whats your core distribution though?

[merry basalt]

mines unoptimized but im testing all red 1 blue for a little extra armor

wait i just thought of something stupid i might try since i got the tdi kard custom and since both the memento and the kard give a skill tier ima try it with a capacitor

[hexed steppe]

i wouldnt chainkiller with nego. go full crit with nego, or just use highend if deadset on leaning into headshot.. jmho

kard wont benefit capacitor at all. the core is only active when kard is in hand

you can do funny things with memento and tech class core tho 🤔 . this is old now, so maybe some tweeks are needed for current gear specs

[subtle bluff]

Nego can be really cool with but it hard to run in heroic.

[fair dragon]

Headshot Nego is useful in.... Oh I miss open doors

[shy willow]

It was there for so long idk why they decided to remove it

[hexed steppe]

#lfg-playstation

[zenith rose]

Guys, any idea why my shield is not on skill tier 6?

[subtle bluff]

Need to see your build

[zenith rose]

Just a HF one

but it seems that it works now apparently, after relogging into the game

[subtle bluff]

It should be six. Change off the build and back and see if UI fixes it.

[strong cave]

I run the exact same build they do. It's a visual bug, I myself experience it all the time. By the way @zenith rose, run the CCMG Banshee as opposed to the vector. It has slightly lower RPM but it does considerably more damage. The talent is fine I just recommend running the CCMG instead. You'll have lots of armor and still hit close to 1m crits

[placid latch]

Most of the time, it's the Memento bonus that aren't applied correctly

[zenith rose]

It started working as soon as I logged back into the game. Reason I'm running Vector right now i that, it looted it with max rolls

[placid latch]

Same can be said for any gear that give more than 1 core

you can just unequip and equip it again

[strong cave]

Vector works good. Best in slot rn is Dark Winter. If you can snag one of those, you're golden. Ouroboros works good too. Lady death still sorta works, but I'd say increase mag size for viability

[zenith rose]

Well, I'm not much of a DZ guy. Haven't been there yet on PC account.

[strong cave]

Farm countdown and purchase Named Item caches from the Countdown vendor. All named items including Dark Winter drop from those caches

[subtle bluff]

Nooo on and CCMG.. It's sooo asss now. SMG9 if anything.

[strong cave]

Isn't the SMG9 the little pistol SMG that we see hyenas use?

[subtle bluff]

Yup

SMG9 is our CCMG replacement now

[zenith rose]

Been doing that and so far got shit loads of that tommy gun named and The Drill

[subtle bluff]

Otherwise vectors work.

[strong cave]

I tried that out with it and found i liked the CCMG still. I'll have to try the SMG9 again

[subtle bluff]

Last patch it was good this patch they nerfed it into the ground...

MP5 is better minus the rpm

[strong cave]

:( I prolly never noticed due to the fact the build itself is so strong and can survive anything you toss at it

Will swap over today and see how SMG9 feels. I'm certain I have a few in my stash

[subtle bluff]

You'llll seeeee

In our speed out top left is a mence with it

[subtle bluff]

Don't mind the out-of-nowhere explosives on his head for no reason..

Wait one.. wrong clip

[strong cave]

All good, I'll be here to see the right one 👀

[subtle bluff]

there we go

[subtle bluff]

yeee?

[strong cave]

Am here let's see it

Ofc mobile data doesn't wanna load now 💀

Alright give me like 20m and then I'll be able to properly see it on decent connection speeds

[marble maple]

I'm trying to set up a build where it's 4pc foundry, golan and belstone + ninjabike to get the armour regen + armour on kill, are there any other sets that I can use to replace golan since status effects is kinda useless for me

[strong cave]

For one, I approve of song choice. That's a vibe to play when in division. Secondly, damn, smg9 shoots faster than I remember. I'm for sure gonna farm for one with killer as I don't think I have one with killer on it (talent was meh before update)

How's the P90 still? I know it's only got 2 mod slots but I know Emelines Guard used to rip for self heals and it did good damage

They tickled the MP7 too hard so no other SMGs are viable except Ouro, Backfire, Dark Winter, Vectors and Banshees

[strong cave]

You'd be better off using Ridgeway for Regen. Foundry isn't much meant for being used to deal damage. Really only meant to hide behind a shield and take aggro

Ninja bike is just hurting the build overall

[subtle bluff]

They bufffffed SMG9.
P90 rpm is nice hit the base WD isn't great. Ya both CCMG and MP7 got too far into the ground.

[strong cave]

You got me sold on the gun man

Definitely going to try it

[marble maple]

I saw this build off yt and wanted to try it

[tulip charm]

....

Its something alright

[strong cave]

Please tell me who the hell you got this build from

[marble maple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdiDgooepys

If the video would embed

[strong cave]

I like anytime gaming for his very fast vendor reset videos. Some of his build videos are okay but you want to look out for a newbie traps like this one

[marble maple]

Whats wrong/newbie trap about that build

Just curious

[bright raptor]

High end backpack talents are very strong and Ninjabike unlocks cannot compensate for them

[marble maple]

ah okay

For this techtank hunters fury build, would running firewall specialisation for the shield be worth losing a skill tier for the shield?

[tulip charm]

I mean upto you

[bright raptor]

entirely a risk tolerance thing, since you already have all the pieces why not try it out

[strong cave]

Yeah I was going to suggest that

I was going to say you may as well just run Hunters fury and technician just to keep your shield up

You'll be able to do damage and take damage instead of having to rely on hiding behind a shield 24/7 so you don't die

Foundry realistically should only be used to take aggro and legendary settings as well as key stagger for iron horse

[marble maple]

Thanks for the help

[dreamy valve]

What do you guys think of the MP5n

[tulip charm]

Good

[dreamy valve]

What build would you use it with?

[tulip charm]

hf with flatline

[strong cave]

Hunters fury with flatline. Could go with killer as well

[dreamy valve]

Cool I’ll try it out

[prime hare]

What would be a good built that is centered around the cluster seeker mine?

[tulip charm]

Hardwired

[prime hare]

A bit broad but thanks

[hushed bobcat]

Any suggestions for good Elmo’s build

[mint axle]

You guys think a cavalier healer build is good?

[prime hare]

I'd say the pinned striker build

[indigo fjord]

What we thinking?

[fair dragon]

it's good.

[tulip charm]

pvp?

[mint axle]

Yes

[tulip charm]

I had a 4b/2y version its alright

@magic pilot

[uneven forge]

Wich weapon could i use here to proc future perfect? Im having trouble finding a weapon (mostly looking for rifles but idk if theres one that can) that can kill in legendary with this build. Since i only need one kill every 90s to get overcharge i focus on red enemies first

[shy willow]

You're struggling to find stuff that kills cuz all your cores are yellows😭

[uneven forge]

Ik, but i only need to kill one enemy every 90s

To proc overcharge from future perfect

[shy willow]

5 on the gear +1 from tech

[uneven forge]

Yes

[patent fossil]

Miscounted sorry

[uneven forge]

No worries

The original build uses Mechanical Animal but i didnt like it very much

4s increase in the talent duration

[patent fossil]

Seems odd to run nego if you want skills to do 99% of the damage though, you're losing out on a lot of skill damage

Skills can't crit, after all

[uneven forge]

Yeah, it was a hybrid build from one of the build spreadsheet, i really like the gameplay loop so i use it often, i can do legendary content (mostly summit), its a bit tricky but possible

Hybrid as in weapon damage and skill damage

The drone and turret draw some aggro so i can deal "decent" damage with my capacitor

[lime crown]

If my Critical Hit Chance is maxed, does adding a modd with +5% Critical Hit Chance even do anything more or is it a waste to add that mod?

[marble maple]

Gets wasted

[lime crown]

Thought so, but wanted to ask. Thank you.

[sly ferry]

This is what I have so far, what should I improve? Also, how do you efficiently farm for expertise?

[shy willow]

Replace the bag with a high end one with vigilance or something then swap out the knees for umbra

Ceska and grupo are the popular brand options

As for expertise farming any way you do it it's slow

[covert meadow]

With hunters fury, smg ouro and the Lexington, is there a actual number if should target for chd and chc, the sheet just says over 50% chc and 100% chd, anything more specific? Should the Lexington even be used? In play of shotgun?

On gunner for memento backpack

Or

[sly ferry]

With the build above, assuming I find a good backpack, would St. Elmo's be the best or Chameleon?

[shy willow]

Elmo better

[shy willow]

Both these builds are good

[covert meadow]

Ok @shy willow 👍

[wintry mirage]

I’m able to have full damage with a smg at marksman rifle range

[versed summit]

Why do you want to use an SMG at MMR range

[fresh fox]

tell em

[untold wyvern]

for a smg is better more accuracy or stability?

[fresh fox]

accuracy

[hexed steppe]

Capacitor does better damage on red cores rather than yellow (red core 15%, yellow core 7.5%) .
You can still hybrid with nego but I wouldn't lean too much into yellow cores. Crits are only danage that transfers from nego, so you'll want high weapon damage. Nego doesnt fit otherwise.

Memento long buff +tech +capacitor +watch, all stacked can see around 110% skill damage on it's own, regardless of core layout.
On 6 red cores & 2 free yellow cores, Cap would see 105% weapon damage before figuring in memento long buff (another 30% wd).
The oc every so often doesnt offset the damage loss from yellow cores.
Chest would benefit from running glass/spotter over oblit, glass/spotter amps weapon and skill damage output.

Jmho, but hybrid should see both sides doing decent damage. If it isnt balanced, it's better to just lean into one side or another

[subtle bluff]

There's an old video from dod about hybrid builds. Hurts my head but somewhat made sense at the time.

[magic pilot]

This is the V3 bro build

[quiet arrow]

what build is that

[hexed steppe]

umbra, its a decent dps set. it probably has a guide in the pinned spreadsheet

[hexed steppe]

no harmony as secondary. decon the whole thing

replace with mortar

[uneven forge]

Makes sense, thanks for the whole explanation, im kind of afraid of changing the build that much because i really liked it but i will 100% keep this in mind. About the glass cannon i did consider it but since im ass in this game i just toke the oblit chest from my striker build

[ruby escarp]

Anyone able to offer advice on building a smg run and gun build that has descent survivability

fairly new and its gearing is leaving me confused

[hexed steppe]

look into hunters fury. its a cqb set, buffs smg/shotgun, gives armor on kill and also disorients all npcs within range of kills. should be a guide in the pinned spreadsheet

[glad heart]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/dac488ca-a827-b49b-7b65-917751756b2c

[ruby escarp]

thank you

[hexed steppe]

thats fair. you might try something around highend or skill strikers down the road. nego really needs the high damage transfers to be a solid damage set, the others are a bit more forgiving.
ive dabbled a bit in hybrid, so i know the struggle. youll figure out what works for you and what doesnt 💯 .

[uneven forge]

Thanks, i heard about striker but im trying to avoid it since i basically only played striker since div 1 lol, but hybrid builds sounds really fun, the whole running around shooting stuff with a drone and a turret giving cover

I think its pretty weird that most skill builds in this game use high end

Green sets are pretty fun to play because of the different mechanics

[hexed steppe]

i been using a lot of just straight turret/drone lately. its all yellow core but high skill damage. utilizes armor on kill since skills proc it constantly. also if using global modifiers, you can run retribution and have it boost your chc which is really helpfun on a build with low crit overall

youll find a lot of flexibility in skill builds. so not trying to knock hybrid, but kinda passing on what ive ran into

[fair dragon]

Why do you need AoK when you're mostly in cover anyway

[hexed steppe]

Preference. Not always in cover . hitting npcs with requittal doesnt keep your armor topped off. Not to mention moving around with perfect glass

It works well for me. All that matters 😎 .
Ymmv

[fair dragon]

Ah, so hybrid build

Wait, read it wrong?

[hexed steppe]

I dont consider it hybrid. There just isnt anything game changing to put there so its mor QoL addition

[fair dragon]

Yeah

[strong cave]

Alright PvP'ers, need me some guidance on what direction to tweak this build I've been doing some group testing with-

It's fully specced into armor due to using Tardigrade. I think of this build as an "Anchor". It's hard to kill and it's solid in support. There's damage but you're not gonna be dropping the whole DZ with it solo. That's what I need your guys help with. I need more damage without losing too much armor, does anyone have any ideas?

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwNgtATGDMlsYAMSXLajiBcwDsdYooBOfdczVHMADjAFY4p6oK3MsIAWAud-jsEZRClAWyxciMPmLnlOIYg3hD4xWMGI8tjfjjo7wwIsmjhcyicGCH4iOsjxgQCXKw64s0HiEa4EJTEDGARoRmgyTCA

[fresh fox]

bighorn

[strong cave]

Figured that one. HS damage and Regen would go stupid on this setup

[fresh fox]

could drop a 1pc for belstone or someth and lose like 80k~ armor

[strong cave]

I was thinking that too for the regen

Yeah I'd get like 57k passive regen (2.5% * 2.1m + 4925)

[outer dawn]

Generally speaking for solo play is Strega better than Elmos? Debating if I should try and target farm one

[shy willow]

Not necessarily better they're both really good

It's worth having both

[tulip charm]

Strega if damage elmo for utility

[outer dawn]

Gotcha. Thanks. Guess worst case I get a better Elmos 🙂

Been gone for about year 1/2 or so. Any other exotics I should go out of my way to farm? Had all the good open world ones

[tulip charm]

Just get a copy of every exotic

[shy willow]

Good to have at least one in case they get buffed

[tulip charm]

Mosquito was terrible last season and now its good

[subtle bluff]

I put it on my healer for incursion for a run and geez how much 40% DTA was vs 20%.

[granite comet]

What's a good dz build against rogues

[solar sable]

either regen or a skill tier 6 defender drone

[tulip charm]

xd also the changes to Scorpio makes it annoying to use

So I rather use mosquito

[subtle bluff]

Depending on the content what if you have specialisation on Scorpio will still do more. But agreed.

[plush field]

is OverLord worth it ?

[glossy scarab]

pretty much only the foxes prayers knees.

[plush field]

what do that mean

[glossy scarab]

nvm i thought you meant the overlord brand set for gear, but now im thinking you meant the exotic shotgun

[plush field]

yes sorry that i dint say the shotgun i didnt know there is gear also called overlord

[glossy scarab]

i have only used that shotgun a couple times to test out the movement speed debuff on enemies. the shotgun seems fairly strong but the talent.. im not so sure its worth using that over a better shotgun. but the dark zone or other pvp might be the best place to test it out

[marble maple]

Is the strega any good?

Or do I stick to elmos

[azure sun]

Is Centurion Scabard better than coyote mask w a striker elmo build?

[shy willow]

yes

[shy willow]

depends how committed you are to keeping the buffs up

[azure sun]

in a legendary stronghold setting is it generally better?

[tulip charm]

Yes but its annoying double swapping for the wep dmg buff every 8 secs in the whole leg run

[fresh fox]

on paper yea

[azure sun]

Ah ok thanks!

[bleak sequoia]

is there some kind of weapon swapping build that uses gunslinger, Perfect Versatile from Legatus, and Centurions scabbard, maybe Unwavering on one of the weapons? I feel like this season's items really wants us to do this, not sure if viable

[urban latch]

Doing that much juggling to keep things active is just inherently inefficient

[bleak sequoia]

yeah I figured, thanks

[plush field]

sorry scropion build

[dreamy valve]

Firefight situations change every second, so yeah minimizing micromanagement for your build would free up more of your thought processes to just doing the basic thing you need to win in this game- shooting

[bleak sequoia]

try an Ongoing Directive build, or just use it as a support weapon for any support build

[plush field]

alright tnx

[onyx sage]

this kind of buff rotation setup is optimal in descent though

[tulip charm]

Doesnt gunslinger buff duration increases in descent?

[bleak sequoia]

yeah but if it doesn't work outside of descent it means I can junk all my Legatus drops 😆

[tulip charm]

yeah

[plush field]

Can i use Bullet King LMG with this build ?

Or what is the best exotic lmg for the outgoing directive build

[onyx sage]

yes

versatile and gunslinger durations match in descent

[bleak sequoia]

probably something with Sadist to take advantage of all the bleeds. You can check the pinned spreadsheet for builds

[onyx sage]

the best weapons for OD tend to not be exotic because they can't run sadist

and also the idea of exotic weapons being the "best" is wrong to begin with, you don't need exotics

[onyx sage]

i junk them already unless it's double crit Vigil

[bleak sequoia]

@plush field you're running Scorpio to proc the OD bullets anyway, so that's your one exotic weapon occupied. Your main can't be exotic in that case even if it was any good

[broken edge]

That said, if you are going to use exotic LMG, go with iron lung cause it will be a reliable way to cause stats effect and stacks with bleed

[onyx sage]

i should try OD bluescreen

[broken edge]

Its just meh

[onyx sage]

i can feel it struggling a lot before first kill

[indigo fjord]

Would replacing 2 of the 3 blue cores on my gear for red cores and Protection from elite be better for countdown or nah?

[rich lotus]

whats a good legendary build?

[magic pilot]

This is what I use

[magic pilot]

For countdown I run full red, with striker chest and backpack. Grupo mask and ceska gloves

[rich lotus]

so i just want straigh red basically

[onyx sage]

yes, faster they die easier you live

[onyx sage]

if you replace them to red you also want to ditch unbreakable, and countdown isn't that hard anyway to warrant running blue

[rich lotus]

whats the ar?

[onyx sage]

if you have lv40 lexington use that, otherwise use st. elmo, famas or police m4

[rich lotus]

ok

[plush field]

any good Outgoing directive builds?

[magic pilot]

Pinned guide

[rich lotus]

is the chameleon good?

just got it from doing bountys

[onyx sage]

no

[rich lotus]

ok

[onyx sage]

that's the short answer, the long answer is it takes a lot more effort to stack its buffs up unlike other weapons you just point and shoot with

[rich lotus]

yea i seen that

30 hits is crazy

[indigo fjord]

Fair enough im just running my open world build as of now and want something bit more specialized so ill try it out

[outer dawn]

How nerfed is Scorpio? I used to run Hunters Fury with Memento and Scorpio couple years ago and it worked well. Is it still good or better to stick to Strikers with Elmo?

[solar sable]

takes 8 shots to activate all stacks now, it's not that bad

up to you actually

[subtle bluff]

Basic the stack count to +1 for everything. Then the base weapon Six12 got a dmg and reload nerd.

[void steppe]

so someone sen me this as a medic tank build, is this any good?
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwVgtAzAnG4ExgIwOcMAGDXM+9gXAGyaKbyxITi4141GEWYorCO0d34jilYKdBXEIz7M6Eoem4pcAyQvpwIADixQA7EhCJtEbShBoO+OMqwqpXOMH2JqiroXxbEusZPxotawUA

[tulip charm]

No. Just do one thing at a time.

[shy willow]

If you run everyday carrier and survivalist you can be a pseudo healer while tanking

That's about the extent of it

[rich lotus]

Rigger Determined HH

Gonna go euthanize myself now bye

[onyx sage]

logging back into the game to make this build

[hexed steppe]

new godmode meta?

[shy willow]

😶

[normal maple]

So I beat the campaign and the DLC. Read the end game guides which said to unlock you tinkering station and work towards a simple build. I've mostly got my library max (or close enough) unlocked, and went for a red striker build. My issue is that I think I've got all the pieces but I don't know what to do next to get them to the best they can be. Here's what I got.

St. Elmos
12.5 AR Dmg
18.5 Health
10 Mag Size
Is this just a bad roll and I should farm another one? If I do, should I deconstruct this first?

Emelines Guard
SMG Dmg
CHC
CHD
All maxed. Feels like this thing melts, just low mag size.

Coyotes Mask
13.8 Weap Dmg
5.6 CHC
11.5 CHD
10.2 CHD

Strikers Pack
7.7 Weap Dmg
3.2 CHC
MOD (9.0 Dmg From Elites)

Strikers Harness
4.3 CHC
8.4 CHD

Strikers Gloves
7.7 Weap Dmg
5.2 Headshot Dmg

Strikers Holster
9.9 Weap Dmg
5.0 Weap Handling

Sokolov Concern (Guide I'm looking at says to go Ceska here, will get that next)
8.9 Weap Dmg
10.4 CHD
3.4k Armor Regen

So, should I farm better versions of these? What would you do? I'm embarrassed to say I don't know the best way to improve these. I can take one stat from my library and apply to each item, but that's it right?

Thanks!

[kindred mango]

That’s a long one lol. Don’t deconstruct the Elmo’s because you can reconfigure/reroll it. And for Striker’s just keep farming for better pieces. You have a Coyote mask already with a good roll which is huge. Try and also farm a Ceska chest ideally with Obliterate on it. That is the typical Strikers build

[dreamy valve]

Im loving the MP5n right now, just a very good smg after this update

[odd elk]

is true patriot any good for a shield build? i slapped together something and I cant tell if its working or not.

[shy willow]

True patriot is super underwhelming

[bronze hound]

suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper niche

[hexed steppe]

i would go for a damage set like heartbreaker or striker. you can beef up the shield by using memento exo bag and tech class free skilltier. you have a level 3 shield before even considering the other 5 peices in the build. tech class also has artificer hive which stays on the back and passively repairs shield for a % based on skilltiers/skill repair attributes.

not to mention, memento has skill efficiency which is % in all skill buckets and also helps scale up shield/artificer .

[odd elk]

i dunno how to get a momento bag

[kindred mango]

Un momento (see what I did there)

Just need to get lucky and find it

[hexed steppe]

its available anywhere, backpack target loot. countdown gonna be fastest to farm it. you select the target you want to give it a higher chance to drop. you also can buy exotic caches from the countdown vendor, so a couple options for it to drop

[solar sable]

I did not giggle to this.

[bright raptor]

I only have True Patriot + Perfect Vanguard around for the Morozova fight

and boy does that demonstrate the True Patriot gearset effects' lack of usefulness

I only use it for Perfect Vanguard and because people randomly exploding into fireworks is flair Foundry doesn't have

[odd elk]

i did a countdown today and failed am i locked in

[rich lotus]

They need to nerf rigger in 2025 this shit is so busted

[kindred mango]

Not sure if this is what you mean but your targeted loot won’t reset or change unless you switch it again yourself

[fair dragon]

2nd try. let's go

[rich lotus]

YESSIRRR

new meta im telling u

[fair dragon]

didn't take long

meanwhile a Rigger with HSD took 47 tries

[fair dragon]

done

[onyx sage]

up there with the ninjabike improvised

[bleak sequoia]

how did you get max red rolls on riggers so fast

[kindred mango]

I had to look up Rigger because I never messed with it. Love it

[fair dragon]

optimised it.

[bleak sequoia]

holy optimization materials, batman

[kindred mango]

Insta expertise 27 on all slots

[steady copper]

whats the best build for Cooler

[odd elk]

how is your shd level so high

[fair dragon]

Dedication

[rich lotus]

What do I need to do to craft a Ceska chest piece?

[solar sable]

extreme coding capabilities

[onyx sage]

you can't

[shy willow]

Each set only has like 4 pieces max craftable iirc

[burnt gate]

What am I missing? I only ever used this for the shock trap return on the spawn door at the end of capitol

[shy willow]

It's a meme build lol

[warped ibex]

Just got Eb last night what’s some good pve and pvp builds

[shy willow]

It slots into pretty much any DPS type build

[solar sable]

Prodigy was just updating the PvP guide, it's in the spreadsheet

[warped ibex]

Where’s the spreadsheet?

[solar sable]

Pins 📌

[strong cave]

Based on the fact you probably just slapped that build together in an hour and likely optimized it with your mats, I put you in between SHD 5k to 10k

[fair dragon]

sir

[strong cave]

Might give that a look 👀

[fair dragon]

my SHD lv is clearly displayed

[strong cave]

Completely forgot the watch box displays it 💀

21k damn even higher than I am

I still keep tryna go to the bottom right box for the watch to optimize and every damn time I curse myself out bc now it's top right 😮‍💨

[strong cave]

Just you guys wait. 5.11 DZ build coming soon

[rich lotus]

Im not even joking about rigger

once you learn the tech you will never go back to anything else

thanks to bilibili

[strong cave]

I used rigger for repair trap build for a little while. Was a goofy build. How's this build you guys conjured up work out?

[shy willow]

🧐

[rich lotus]

I will share my extensive knowledge somr other time.. 3am here 🫡

Basically just abusing certain terrain and cover to fast deploy skills lol

and then refunding with rigger before they trigger but still proccing the skill’s effect

[shy willow]

Tf

[rich lotus]

I saw someone do it on a random video on bilibili and it got me wondering

[strong cave]

Oh yes I see what you're doing 👀 it's what I did with the rigger repair trap build I made when I first started. You kill 1 skill to get the other one back. I can see how skill juggling with 1 shot capabilities is pretty broken sounding

[rich lotus]

And now I’m down a rabbit hole of finding the fastest way to deploy

[strong cave]

Imagine using foam tho..

[rich lotus]

Yeah but imagine with shock trap

It also works in the DZ btw lol

[strong cave]

I wonder, if you guys went ninjabike route and did 3 piece rigger, chainkiller and an airaldi piece... How would the damage on that work out?

[rich lotus]

idk damage lol rigger is pretty underwhelming but the bag talent is what I’m abusing

[strong cave]

I feel you'll be squishy as hell but that's what armor is for

[shy willow]

Is this worth doing no damage for

[strong cave]

Gives you a hell of a lot of skill damage, right or wrong?

Or was it the skill haste ?

[rich lotus]

theres really no practical use case for what im doing

[strong cave]

Take into account modifiers

[shy willow]

Instantly returns your skills if you cancel them

[rich lotus]

but its just fun and im bored of the game so why not

[strong cave]

Hey, dude ain't being serious so we can rest assured he knows it's redundant but his goal here is fun. Yk what, I approve 🔥👍

[rich lotus]

🙂

[strong cave]

Here try one of my redundant builds

[rich lotus]

Ig one thing you can do is fast deploy a healing drone and get the initial burst heal and then destroy it. Haven’t tested it but it should be faster than waiting for the drone to heal you a 2nd time

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I know you can deploy shoot and cancel a mortar turret faster than shooting and waiting for the next projectile

[shy willow]

I might put together exuro for shits and giggles

I haven't even touched it yet

[rich lotus]

Exuro is nice most ppl dont know the bag is a group amp

as in anything put on fire takes 25% more dmg

[shy willow]

Yeah I can see it being a decent support set

[strong cave]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwDgtAjADGMxxZLs1KoC4DMjqoWCBGierBgGyTzHyLBalNwbERtkCstzpGwATmq8yo5PyFD4IkfwpC2ETpAGMIAgCwrlYzLtn7DGDayGCwWLVilp+Wjfaq6gA

Striker healer, has one clear under it's belt in a group setting on legendary. We did DUA, it help up great on its own. Didn't even play with modifiers either. Bear in mind skill haste will be utter shit so do try to regularly overcharge. Your chem heals will keep you topped off while the hive recharges after OC

Does enough damage to partially help DPS players, heals people, and has built in crowd control. I find it fun 🤷 definitely redundant tho

[shy willow]

Is the flame turret even good damage wise

[rich lotus]

No

[shy willow]

Maybe the exuro chest might be worth then

[strong cave]

Damage wise no but when you overclock it it's funny to see the radius cover the whole fkn room

[rich lotus]

Eclipse is just too much better for status dmg

[strong cave]

Especially when it spins in circles and pisses flames

[shy willow]

Was the eclipse bag a group amp too or self

[rich lotus]

Nah

Self

[strong cave]

Eclipse is self yup

[shy willow]

Gonna have to try it and see how it goes

[strong cave]

At this point, the way the game is, any build now is viable. Modifiers seem to be here to stay. Seems like you can just toss together a meme build and it'll still do somewhat okay

[shy willow]

I CBA with modifiers myself tbh

I'd rather know the build actually works

I'm assuming the Devs are gonna rotate in and out new modifiers so I don't wanna bank on them

[rich lotus]

So true

Everyone thinks their mickey mouse build is sooo good cause of modifiers

[strong cave]

That's why people who make "build videos" need to showcase vanilla numbers and modifier numbers

[rich lotus]

Nah more content to milk

[strong cave]

Way too many mediocre builds being labeled "god tier" only due to modifier play

Sure it hits now but how effective will it be after this season 😂

[rich lotus]

It wont but they already secured the bag by then 🙂

[strong cave]

Truth. This is why we have this channel 👀 biggest nerds here in this server give better advice than what YT could ever give you

[rich lotus]

Big nerd -> @onyx sage

[fresh fox]

truth nuke right there

[shy willow]

You reckon it's worth building into status effects on exuro

[fresh fox]

don’t use exuro

[shy willow]

I'm bored as shit

[fresh fox]

surely something else is out there

[shy willow]

I have been trying everything

And have run out of ideas

[bright raptor]

shock instead of heal? for shame

[shy willow]

I figure if the bag is a group wide amp it at least has a tiny bit of use

I forgot heal traps existed tbh

They were there on that manhunt then I never found a use

[strong cave]

Repair trap rigger is busted. Trust me

Pair it with stinger and repair trap. Detonate one or the other for the skill back. You could alternatively use a turret instead

[versed flame]

build for skills, without batteries? well, it's a personal matter

[strong cave]

Right now you're watching a bunch of content starved people come up with builds to see how they work bc we are all bored with the game

I now present my 5.11 DZ Build:

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXBCS9xRMSsTdwQDLIAOMh05bYATkuqcce3fxm5cm2aNE6CJzMAnYBWGMHltobODFbyhLemuBJ6YVJCQB2JMODSQ82SetoEarSZFqE8k6Bk9g9SKEh5SHYmIA

Usefulness = ❌
Rage when people die by it = ✅

[shy willow]

I've been eyeing the spreadsheet for ages looking for any opportunity to make some kind of off meta nonsense

[versed flame]

I understand))

[odd elk]

i will be the true patriot shield build of the dz

[hexed steppe]

funny thing, if there was aok on the build, the shock traps would trigger aok proc for every trap that gets hit

[burnt gate]

Red future initiative is very good with mechanical animal

I run it in groups mostly heroic open world or mission but the problem is that people assume you're a full on 6 tier healer and become these weird run and gun wankers who go down and demand consistent healing.

Being able to deal damage and heal is always a good combo though, especially if you can run the likes of sledgehammer, overwatch and still give the ground control bonus to team mates. You're looking at 27 ish % damage bonus to team aswel as yourself.

[shy willow]

I still haven't put together red fi I gotta get round to that

Blue fi too

Forgot I put this together a while ago too

[bright raptor]

Blue mods?

still haven't gotten around to rerolling the various OD pieces to crit

[vestal ibex]

OD chest OP now tho.

[shy willow]

this one was a triple tick thing iirc

[bronze hound]

What happened

[bright raptor]

amplifier talent got buffed big time

[vestal ibex]

Chest talent makes the amp damage from your OD ammo 50% vs the base 20%

[bronze hound]

They buffed it from 35? Damn

Sorry I've been out of this game for a WHILE it seems lol

[vestal ibex]

You has. Really tho much hasn't changed other than some min max stuff.

Can still run pretty much the same builds as they were.

[fresh fox]

yea that’s tick stuff

[strong cave]

This build will benefit you more with blue screen

Your goal with that one though is not to do damage it's to do crowd control

[shy willow]

Its for damage

I dont know the actual numbers cuz there's 3 ticks I can't keep track of but it actually seems fairly competitive

[strong cave]

I tried to run pestilence on it and it hit but I kind of prefer playing with blue screen

Blue screen you can just completely ignore the fact that you're not really hitting for crits, and if you play it just right you can use skills to deploy the stacks from blue screen and any target you have hit and marked will become affected

It's really good for heroic and legendary

You'll support your teammates, you will also have crowd control and you're also going to be able to do a little bit of damage

[bright raptor]

with the chest amp... well yeah of course it is now

it is also very, very funny to see a shield you hadn't really been shooting at suddenly keel over dead from the plague stacks of other victims transferring to them

thinking of trading the Contractors' for the OD gloves so I can run my Ceska Vigilance pack

[tawdry flare]

100% soul some things never change

[plush field]

Eagelbear or Elmos engine ?

[vestal ibex]

Yes.

Really which is better depends on a ton of stuff. Elmo probably has more use tho.

[plush field]

alright so is like easy verison of eagelbear

[vestal ibex]

Yeah cause EB is best gotten in the Dark hours raid where elmo drops from TL.

[acoustic quarry]

Any rifle / sniper builds that don't fully use determined. Been trying to make snipers work for countdown. But you can't 1 shot those guys so it doesn't do much..

[hexed steppe]

Crit rifle on nego setup. M1a cqb/classic paired with solid ar

Headhunter determined is the goto for mmr tho

Glass on nego*

[acoustic quarry]

Fair enough, and MMR i see the reason behind it. It just doesn't procc often when doing countdown. (been using that to farm gear for builds)

[plush field]

and do you know any good build for Elmo ?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, cd much better with crit setup. 8man scaling and all

[bright raptor]

literally any red DPS build in the pinned spreadsheet

[lusty kelp]

Getting back into division and wanting to get back into the raids. I tried them when they came out with whatever I had but what’s the go to builds that I will need to farm to work my well up for them. Thank you

[versed flame]

Depends on the raid leader, usually!someone doesn't take fighters, others still put limits, someone doesn't care

[bright raptor]

Pinned spreadsheet, Striker or all red high end critical chance + critical damage builds

this is the general purpose enemy clearing + boss DPSing roles most people will be doing

[lusty kelp]

Thank you now I remember why my first class was named big boy dps lol

[versed flame]

as for me-one of the best and balanced builds, imho)

[magic pilot]

Yea, that's solid

[spare juniper]

I would like to start using pesti again. What's the best build for it, taking into consideration the recent changes?

[tulip charm]

High End

Any other dps set can make it work.

[wise juniper]

hey guys returning player here almost to level 40. What's a good build/set to start out with?

[tulip charm]

Pinned comment has builds you can pick.

[wise juniper]

the spreadsheet?

[tulip charm]

yeah

[wise juniper]

cool thanks!

[spare juniper]

I was thinking of somehow incorporating ninja backpack with lengmo and contractors but seems like I'd lose dmg without backpack talent

[tulip charm]

You are

A normal high build is more than enough

3p red lengmo is bis for pesti

[glossy scarab]

its so annoying when you finally get the pesti stacks up and you got a 1+ mil tick happening but then the next enemy is too far for the spread and you have to start all over

[urban latch]

Almost like that tick damage is overrated

[glossy scarab]

yess sir

[hexed steppe]

Umbra might be pretty good for it, once they get umbra fixed. Rof buff probably be pretty good for building pesti stacks

[glossy scarab]

thats why i keep one of these around. when i cant be bothered wasting time on a tick build

[odd elk]

does the tactian laser sight thing work with heartbreaker

[tulip charm]

yes

its mainly a qol to pulse robots and skills

[livid bridge]

aka yes its basically mandatory for heartbreaker builds unless you want to keep spamming pulse and not run other better things

[onyx sage]

^

[fresh fox]

striker still best

high end was gimmicky from what i’ve heard

good ticks meh bullet

[tulip charm]

I mean at that point just run a normal HE M249 or Iron Lungs

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fresh fox]

pesti still good on striker

[vestal ibex]

Pesti is funny cause you should just ignore the ticks and go for good damage CHC/CHD and then it's like why use pesti at that point.

[steady copper]

if a build I want to make has a Fenris chest and a Walker Harris Co. holster, but I have a maxed out Fenris holster, can I just get a Walker Harris Co. chest and use the Fenris holster without changing the overall stats of the build?

[vestal ibex]

Moving brand sets around doesn't change anything so yeah.

[odd elk]

what are some good high ends I should be looking out for

weapon wise

[subtle bluff]

Have you tried it this season?

[vestal ibex]

Nope.

[inner forge]

So, for Rifle Builds, is Breaking Point with chest/backpack better than 3pc Zwiadowka?

[subtle bluff]

I thought the same before using that ROF buff makes changes pesti a good amount.
Not saying Crit stats aren't important.

[subtle bluff]

Go OD instead it'll do more.

[wary forge]

Guys im in love with pistol builds.. tried the high end and the hunters fury.. and the hunters fury is more affordable to me..
im running with the harvest with determined.. Normally with dh chest and memento, or wh chest and dh bp with vigilance.. both with headshot dmg and crit chance..

The question is.. i want to try with regulus.. but i miss more shots with regulus.. specially in open world, farm another chest n bp with weapon handling will make a huge difference?

[inner forge]

OD really? I didn't think anyone uses it.

[broken edge]

Heyo

People called

[inner forge]

We didn't do anything wrong Bird! Don't yell at us!

[subtle bluff]

Yes it's do a lot more than people think once you add Sadist.

[inner forge]

Oooh. Yeah, I could Sadist working to help it out... I'll give it a try. Thanks.

[subtle bluff]

Heroic?

[subtle bluff]

It's the biggest buff to OD builds this patch. 35% is huge.

[wary forge]

16% wp handling will make difference?

[wary forge]

Yes.. with the harvest i can one shot almost everything without helmet in heroic.. i play with 5 directives..

Sometimes i run vigilance instead o memento to deal more dmg

1m-1,5m more dmg

But the effect of the regulus explosion is so cool! And kill lot of enemies with 1 shot is very cool also

[subtle bluff]

Pic of the build plz

[livid bridge]

Where’s the patch notes?

[subtle bluff]

#patch-notes

[livid bridge]

Zero new patch notes in there

[broken edge]

What do you mean, all patchnote links are there

[broken edge]

#patch-notes message

[livid bridge]

None from this year aka the next patch

All of them are labelled under 2024

[subtle bluff]

Did I do that wrong? Lol

What...

[subtle bluff]

Yes.. It's been 2025 for 20 days.

[onyx sage]

LMAO

[livid bridge]

And no new patch yet? Other games have had multiple by now 😂 most MMOs have had 2 or 3

[onyx sage]

what game releases a patch every week with new content 💀

[broken edge]

The OD buff was months ago

[subtle bluff]

#patch-notes message

That post. It has balance changes.

[livid bridge]

Quite a lot or patches to fix bugs and exploits

[onyx sage]

and why would you care about bugfix patches when you asked about content patch notes again?

[vestal ibex]

Icarus

[rich lotus]

lol which ones??

Unless League, PoE or WoW aren’t considered “most” MMOs

I think I just checked every MMO in existence and yeah no, I don’t think any development cycle works like that unfortunately

Warframe is the only one that has received an update and a hotfix this month

[livid bridge]

Throne and liberty also got multiple updates this month

[livid bridge]

Bdo as well

You need to check more MMOs out

Ff14 also got updates

[broken edge]

while thats good and all, this is the chanel to ask how to improve your builds

[candid depot]

what would be the best healer build? im usinf FI

[wanton hornet]

I saw an interesting cavalier build recently but have not collected the pieces to try it yet.

[broken edge]

FI is probably the best since it also gives out a buff

[candid depot]

whats the build?

[subtle bluff]

Not only buffs it also give more healing. It's the best heal gearset hands down.

[candid depot]

i have FI, whats a good build for it?

[subtle bluff]

I'm over it. @broken edge I'm paste my old guide over.

[wanton hornet]

Likely more for PvP but something like this:
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwZgtAbGAMNsAmOsXLa6AuArNtx4lQM0kSVMophVEwFxz10cCpYzmnycl2uB3TABYAnPFSdugmJmnzMCbOOESA7GHEJVEfj23hgeJWDzAAHJAKipyEZmBbxIVSHH7Vwz5e5A

Caveat: I don't know if it's any good, but it looked interesting at least.

[subtle bluff]

FI Healer

Incursion healer build but it can do it all.
FI Healer mxswat Builder site
TLDR Video of the build

Specialization | Skills

Technician | Restorer Hive/Reinforcer Chem Launcher

Weapons

Primary: Scorpio (Shotgun SIX12)
Secondary: Lefty (Shotgun ACS-12)
Sidearm: Optional any pistol with Reformation

Gear Setup:

Offset pcs Gloves BTSU DataGloves & The Setup
4x Future Initiative (Mask, chest, holster & knees)

Cores

5 Skill Tiers (+1 Technician) | 1 Blue Armor

Attributes & Gear Mods

210 Repair Skill then rest into Skill Haste

Notes

• The Setup does more dmg buffs but if you need more healing the FI backpack can put out a lot more healing.
• The talent Ground Control is only effects per person when they are at full armor.
• Reinforcer Chem Launcher double tapping the skill will drop a heal quickly.
• If your hive is about to run out of charges it's better to destroy it to overcharge to get your chargers back faster, only if it's not a raid or fight with mechanics where you need to save overcharge.
• Overcharging at the end of boss fights to help reset everyone's skills isn't bad.
• This build is good in PvE/Legendary just change the Technician to Survival and make sure your Skill Teir 6

Loot List

Exotic Gloves: BTSU Datagloves
Future Initiative Set: mark, chest, holster & knees (recalib to repair)
Backpack: The Setup (Uzina Getica) Alt: Backpack with talent Opportunistic
Mods:
Hive: Healing, Repair Charges
Chem Launch: Heal & Ammo
Gear Mods: Repair Skills

[timid rain]

Is there any dark zone solo against groups?

I be needing turrets of the safe area to survive the cheese from the people

[fair dragon]

New games like PoE2 releases hotfixes every day

[subtle bluff]

Better context. Group of players or ads in general?

[timid rain]

Players

Group of players

I can do a fair 1v1 if the guy doesnt rely on unbreakable or snipers

Pretty much whoop the guy

But groups of players and especially snipers aint fun

[subtle bluff]

I mean if there was a build that could take a group of players and win wouldn't it be one of the strongest builds?

It's all down to player skill and playstyle with there build.

In this instance, it's quit DZ and do something else for a bit.

[rich lotus]

If you wanted a fair 1v1 then you messed up by going to the DZ

[halcyon sparrow]

Is there any set of gloves that provide armor on kill as a first set bonus?

[subtle bluff]

Palisade Steelworks

[halcyon sparrow]

Thank you

[subtle bluff]

Np there is a named glove that does too but IMO not worth vs this brand set

[halcyon sparrow]

Is it deathgrips?

[manic pier]

Newish/returning player here! First time getting into the endgame and dabbling with builds. I watched a tuxedo bandito guide on youtube and did what he said but now I'm not sure where to go from here. What gear or weapons should I grind for?

How do people come up with builds or know where to start? I really enjoy the game and want to figure it out but I'm struggling with knowing how or why come up with new builds. Thank you in advance if anyone has any answers or directions to point me in. sincerely, a div 2 noob

[shy willow]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

Everything you need in there

[manic pier]

Thank you! I'll try and dive into this 🙏

[odd elk]

just find something you like yknow

i really like face tanking so i went with shields

[manic pier]

Thank you, noted!

[hexed steppe]

hhf still gonna be the best for regulus. you get a lot of damage buff from close proximity, that you just dont get when using highend. you could farm a couple pieces to roll some handling on to as a test, but i dont think its gonna be a gamechanger. determined makes anyones aim soft. youll have to main reg for a bit to get comfortable and consistent with it, jmho 🍻

[wary forge]

So in your opinion 2 wpn handling atributes wont make difference to land headshots? I can. Keep crit chance as secondsry

And is just a question of time to get better with regulus?

And a question.. i have a expertise 27 harvest and my regulus is 20.. but both are with dttoc

I saw someone saying dmg to armor is best to headhunter dmg

The difference is something? Worth spend exotic components to reroll to dmg to armor? And expertise it again?

[wary forge]

In tried high end and was getting about 14m per bullet.. with hunter fury 18m with harvest..

And about 19,5/20m with regulus

[broken edge]

regulus having higher zoom is what screws up my muscle memory

[wary forge]

I find it tricky to land headshot consistently in a control point for example.. with harvest even when i lost the bonus is easy to get another

[shy willow]

I've been running Lincoln over and over with it and I finally feel like my aim is getting better

[wary forge]

But as i said.. regulus at exp20 deals more dmg than harvest 27..

And this difference sometimes is enough to 1shot a elite

[shy willow]

Like deck said it takes practice

But once you get it down it's one of the most potent guns in the game

[wary forge]

Lincon is a good place to pratice then?

And you guys buff headhunter with a sniper or something else?

[onyx sage]

also you can't expect to one-shot everything with regulus or harvest btw

in hhf you have m870 for this reason

[wary forge]

Cuz im playing with smg/shotgun and pistol

[onyx sage]

no, sniper would just get your first stack easier

then you swap to pistol or shotgun for full stack hh

it doesn't buff their damage to the sniper's base damage or whatever

it just makes your next kill with the pistol or shotgun to be at max hh

[wary forge]

Brazen as talent?

[onyx sage]

ye

[wary forge]

I use tec for skill tier for the shield, flatline is a option? Or wekear?

[onyx sage]

m870 can even be your main weapon

[wary forge]

And you guys recommend any spec?

[onyx sage]

why would you use flatline on m870 with no tac laser

[wary forge]

Have tec laser..

[onyx sage]

m870 can't equip it

[wary forge]

870 with tec laser

[hexed steppe]

dta would improve your top end, fully buffed headhunter shots. where you really need the damage buff is your cold shots, and thats where the dttooc will be better.

[onyx sage]

huh, i've never actually tried

you can run it if you like, but it's only stronger than pummel and brazen for your first shot

[wary forge]

Ok sir

[onyx sage]

and due to how hh damage works it only buffs the bullet damage portion, meaning it won't be a net 15% increase

[wary forge]

I want advices from you that have more experience than me

You guys play with shield and decoy? Whats the other skill and specialization?

Cuz pistol build is making me seeing this game with other eyes..

[onyx sage]

damage to armor is a tricky subject for hh, it's really only strong on mmrs where you'll mostly need it to snipe targets in cover and you can easily kill a red without needing dttooc

[onyx sage]

i used to do so, now i run sticky emp and decoy

granted, it's a lot easier and faster to aim on pc

and i run sharpshooter now, but when i ran shield i used the striker shield from firewall

[wary forge]

Im on ps :/ probably thats make sense when i asked about wpn handling

[onyx sage]

weapon handling won't really solve your main bottleneck though, which is aim time and recenter time

you don't need accuracy to begin with, and stability only mitigates vertical recoil (unless you want to hit 100% on your mmr for 0 sway), so really you only benefit from reload speed and swap speed

[wary forge]

I will test this shield.. i was using that one that we only can use pistol.. but make sense use this to keep shotgun

[onyx sage]

yes 100%, highly recommend firewall shield just because you can swap to m870 freely

[wary forge]

And last question

[wary forge]

Memento vs vigilance in your opinion?

And wh chest or dh?

For hf

[onyx sage]

do you solo a lot?

memento gives a lot of comfort for solo play especially with hhf aggression

and for the chest, you rarely if ever run into a situation where you can one-shot someone with d&h and you cannot with chainkiller

the difference is 15% weapon damage but it's not big enough to let you hit a new breakpoint

so i always recommend chainkiller for that reason, the faster damage ramp is noticeable

[wary forge]

Thanks a lot!

Really for be patient

[onyx sage]

also going back to vigilance vs memento, unlike the chest options, vigilance will absolutely be strong enough to let you hit new breakpoints

[wary forge]

Was very helpful

[onyx sage]

but you have to play very careful, so pick your poison

you also have unstoppable force and concussion too, they're also very competitive, most people when they don't run shield run concussion instead of vigilance

[wary forge]

I most of times run without a shield, and only use it when has a lot of enemies around me

[onyx sage]

i would recommend concussion > unstoppable force >>>> vigilance (use with caution)

[wary forge]

My dh bp comes with hshot and crit chance.. so i can change freely the talent, will test with concussion

[onyx sage]

try to aim for one with hsd and weapon handling

in hh you don't need crit

[shy willow]

Speaking of concussion does it apply on the headshot or the shot after

[wary forge]

Concussion will still deals more dmg than fully stacked memento?

[onyx sage]

yes

with both stacks up, it's the same as vigilance

if only the 10% concussion stack is up, full stack memento is only around 2.7% stronger (assuming 0 expertise)

when you have 20 expertise, 30 stack memento is only 1.8% stronger

[subtle bluff]

Concussion is more reliable of a DMG but I think it's for MMR more than Pistol MF.
I run my HF with the backpack and DCH w/1886 and a m870. My aim isn't good enough to keep it up well. This is my way of being able to kill Chunga's and Dog reliably.

[wary forge]

Regulus 20 and harvester 27

I will farm a new bp

[worthy oriole]

Sidearm main build ideas?

[shy willow]

Headhunters fury with regulus

[worthy oriole]

Feels wrong to ask, what are those

[subtle bluff]

Headhunter is a Chest talent
Hunter Fury is a Gearset
Regulus is an exotic pistol

Keep playing and learn if this is all new to you.

[marble maple]

For a FI build purely for incursion do I run technician or survivalist?

[solar sable]

I'd run tech because of faraday

[marble maple]

So what do I run for backpack?

opportunistic?

[solar sable]

yeah, if you have Perfect Opp then use it

[marble maple]

appreciate it

[fresh fox]

demo lowkey goated

[shy willow]

Either works but tech can stop your group getting stomped by emp grenades on lovebirds

[oak shard]

guys how do people choose a main weapon for a build

does it even matter or do we just care about the talent

[limpid pelican]

Depends on what build, and what talents you're running on your build. In cases like crit dps whether that be striker or high end it doesn't matter as much

Take spotter for example. It's all built around doing more damage to pulsed enemies, so you would have flatline on your gun, perfect or regular spotter for your chest talent, and then technician which gives you a laser that pulses anything you aim at

But to answer your main question there's your bis weapons for spotter builds, so you'd pick one and that's it

[hexed steppe]

check out the pinned spreadsheet in this channel📌 . most of the better weapons are listed within the build guides. theres also a page with all weapons , listing stats and dps values to reference. theres also a boatload of other info about gear/brand set , talents, specialization, etc. too much to list here

[subtle bluff]

@marble maple posted a full guide.

[marble maple]

Cheers bro

[unkempt shell]

Is that even good

Two piece walker gear four piece hunter fury withe smg that does poison dps the only smg that does so much dps

[subtle bluff]

Not the best example but ya.

Here's a better one.
#td2-build-advice message

[subtle bluff]

Ya.. we're not doing DPS when you're using a pistol.

[unkempt shell]

WHAT BUILD WHAT BUILD

[unkempt shell]

Would that smg build work I used to run orobours

[shy willow]

I didn't even know regulus had enough punch to one shot incursion ads

[subtle bluff]

You already reply to the post.....
I don't understand the last post was a question or a statement.

[subtle bluff]

DCH and OC Pulse help.

[shy willow]

Ah

[unkempt shell]

Question

[shy willow]

One of the most potent builds in the game

D&H vigi, chainkiller, 4 HF all rolled handling and headshot with regulus

There are other variants but that seems to be standard

[subtle bluff]

I'd need more context. All builds will work to a degree...

[unkempt shell]

Mmmmmm here

It what I am using right now max rolled police ump 5 with strained on it

[bright raptor]

why use Chainkiller when the only weapon you're using that could potentially benefit from it is the double barreled sawn off

[unkempt shell]

Shrugs

Cuz I also do damage to armour as well

[bright raptor]

the Vigilance backpack bonus is far greater than the 5% damage to armor

Memento stacks accumulated are about the same

[unkempt shell]

Okay

[dusky beacon]

what is the best high end sniper? For a one Shot sniper build?

[unkempt shell]

Nemis

[dusky beacon]

High end Not exo

[unkempt shell]

Ya never stated that

[junior surge]

White death, SR-1 or M700 all have their advantages and disadvantages

He literally did lol

[unkempt shell]

A

[dusky beacon]

Okay thanks

[unkempt shell]

My sniper build it isn’t done yet

[bright raptor]

the HF backpack itself is also pretty weak

if you really want a headshot focus scrap the mask and replace it with the Hunter's Fury mask

replace the backpack with a Vigilance D&H

Get or reroll all minor attributes to headshot damage

[unkempt shell]

Also why is Hunter fury on here it shouldn’t be

[bright raptor]

and you give people advice?

[dusky beacon]

My sniper Build have 307,9% headshot dmg is that good?

[unkempt shell]

Well honestly yeah I goes if u all ways hot ya head shots I guess honestly I have no clue have u tested it on heroic mode

[junior surge]

White death has highest damage, but worst handling, M700 has better handling and bigger mag and hits almost as hard, SR-1 has very slightly less damage but still onehits most relevant targets and has the best handling, fastest reload and biggest mag

[bright raptor]

do you have Headhunter or not, as Headhunter with high headshot damage is the only thing that really matters for sniper builds

[dusky beacon]

I have perfekt Headhunter

[bright raptor]

is it part of your build or not

[dusky beacon]

Yes

[unkempt shell]

I thought perfected head hunter was for smg only

[bright raptor]

good, you're ready to crack some heads

[unkempt shell]

Cuz I have told two different things by different people and now my head hurts

[junior surge]

Headhunter is a chest talent, it can be used with any gun, but smgs are pretty much the worst choice lol

[subtle bluff]

Pup.. Go into the 📌 messages and look at the Spreadsheet for the builds and the info there.

[dusky beacon]

I See I one Shot named

[unkempt shell]

Wait really

[unkempt shell]

?

[unkempt shell]

I cant find it

[subtle bluff]

It's a Pin.. 📌

[unkempt shell]

Still not showing up

[bright raptor]

I'd rather be told than be given a demonstration that alpha wolf theory subscribers in 2025+ have horrendous literacy, but you get what you get I suppose

[junior surge]

If you're on mobile, tap on the channel name at the top, then tap on pins

[bright raptor]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

[unkempt shell]

IM LOOKINH

[unkempt shell]

iPad

[subtle bluff]

Context help us help you..

[bright raptor]

thank goodness for tech illiterate zoomers securing the jobs of everyone over 40

[unkempt shell]

Still doesn’t help at all

[bright raptor]

assuming they don't make us off ourselves first

[subtle bluff]

Tap the Channel name > then look for "Pin"

[bright raptor]

I also posted the link to the thing already

[unkempt shell]

Like I said to complicated for someone who had a disability

Explain it better

[subtle bluff]

LMAO. I'm out.

[bright raptor]

We knew about the disability already

[unkempt shell]

Good lol

So what is the best smg to use that had the max dps

And do Not say lady death or chapter box tried them I have

[junior surge]

tap on this

then tap on this

[unkempt shell]

Found

But what does the most crit chance and doesn’t like like a bag of dead smgs

And dps

[marble maple]

Ouroboros

[subtle bluff]

There is no just Best SMG. Go read up.

[unkempt shell]

Oh okay thanks

[shy willow]

DPS is a big part but it's not necessarily what makes a gun worth using

[shy willow]

The hotshot bag and chest are complete garbage btw

[subtle bluff]

Also what about Lady Death?

[unkempt shell]

CURSED BUILD CURSED BUILD

[subtle bluff]

No, it's called skill issue.

Also wtf is cursed about a build?

[limpid pelican]

Been a while since I've done incursion are you just ad clear with 2 shooters?

Assuming you're not shooting wright with a lady death lol

[marble maple]

dang drop the build bro

[subtle bluff]

In speeds it's different. It's just one person clearing ads. I mean we use to at the end not really need tho.

[subtle bluff]

It's just strikers...

[marble maple]

Maybe Im just low shd lvl

[subtle bluff]

No. SHD helps but not that much. Just need to use the build correctly.

[limpid pelican]

Yeah idek why I asked that specifically, I know

Main reason being, those numbers looked kinda good with lady death lol. Unfortunate for most casual clears that aren't 1 shotting

Hear people just use backfire now, haven't tried it yet though

[subtle bluff]

I'm just proving a point with that brainrot person... bleh

[limpid pelican]

Nah ik bro i was speaking for myself. Kinda thought processing aloud, mb

[shy willow]

How tf does yours hit so hard

[limpid pelican]

Ikr, has me wanting to try that thing out next time lol

[tulip charm]

I mean striker + bloody + fi is gonna make alot of guns look good

[shy willow]

Oh I didn't realise bk proc and fi oops

[limpid pelican]

Noticed it was procced, but still that thing is beaming

[shy willow]

My ouro topped out at just over 3 million with all the buffs but I haven't gotten to DPS on the incursion for a long time

[limpid pelican]

Ouro is very underwhelming now from what ive heard. Not sure what the numbers are, but everyone straight dpsing without 1 shots are using backfire

Maybe you're aware of that if so then u already know but yeah

[shy willow]

I hear backfire is popular now yeah

I haven't rolled mine to dttooc yet tho

[limpid pelican]

Deconstructed all of mine awhile ago lmao

Been trying to snag another

[shy willow]

This be why I keep at least one of each no matter how garbage

[ashen silo]

Can someone tell me if it's possible to level up the Lexington to lv40? I got it on level 30 and would like to use it.

[urban latch]

its not

[ashen silo]

damn :(

[vestal ibex]

Clips like these need a bit of context tho. 200 striker stacks, bloody knuckles, FI buff, and fire wall shield amp of 11% makes this look more powerful than most players will ever see it.

[fresh fox]

^^

as well as spec buffs if they apply

[onyx sage]

wdym? isn't DPS damage per screenshot?

[shy willow]

My regulus does 400m dps

[elder glade]

Call my games

[hexed steppe]

You weren't lying. Why do I always miss the good stuff 😭

[magic pilot]

Only on tanker

[hexed steppe]

Ill have to check if ABCmouse has a lesson on clicking links 🤔

[timid rain]

The problem is the people be calling their whole clan if i whoop one of them. Thats the thing

Apart of that i can pretty much go fine on dz

Plus its not even 1v1 i can do more but then they call their entire clan and prob allied too just to kill one single guy that prob whole clan is offline

[vestal ibex]

Also pretty good for lovebirds in pub runs. OC booster takes care of the bleed and it's easy to keep the buff up until the end of the fight.

[prime orchid]

I mostly just want to see opinions from others and some advice from other veterans

[onyx sage]

what are you trying to do with the build?

[versed flame]

Patriot, this is support for a group, and playing solo is not the best option.

Moreover, there is a lot of armor, which means little damage.

[prime orchid]

im trying to get a build that is like a tank and adds more ammo

[versed flame]

I get it, well, it's your choice, but can you try to put a gold vest with talent?!an additional plus for the group

[prime orchid]

ok, thanks

[versed flame]

just as an option?!

[prime orchid]

i do actually play a lot with friends and they lack the support ability

[versed flame]

and the medica build?

[vestal ibex]

Well what you have in mind isn't gonna support much. Aggro in this game goes to the highest damage dealers so you'll probably just watch your team die and provide little support.

Support builds worth spending your time on are FI healer, OD, Foam EP.

[prime orchid]

honestly i made the build myself and i have never looked into official builds

[patent fossil]

keep in mind that gearset pieces are generally weaker than high-end pieces unless you're running four from the same set (the set bonus is the main thing to aim for)

[prime orchid]

yes

[versed flame]

Well, there are options with incomplete builds, but yes, there is some loss.

[bright raptor]

2 pieces of any gearset is not worth the loss of attribute rolls, period

tanking is also not a relevant role outside of very specialized roles for raiding (not the incursion), and True Patriot itself is not a very good set as the gearset bonus is very weak

the ammo capacity increase also only applies to you and not anyone else in the group

[subtle bluff]

I wouldn't call them "official" builds. They're just well optimized. To what they're supposed to do.

[prime orchid]

good to know

[prime orchid]

i was thinking of changing backpack to acosta's go bag and the least useful piece with a gold/named armor piece

[tulip charm]

Bruh

[bright raptor]

the closest thing to "official" builds was this thing they put out once

[versed flame]

why?Acosta?

[subtle bluff]

I wasn't play when they made this stuff.

[subtle bluff]

This is like 4 or 5 years ago.

I could be wrong... But a long time ago.

[hexed steppe]

No mortar listed. Discard

And why is striker right next to tank 👴.

[tulip charm]

?????

[hexed steppe]

Low shd so not gonna be too hard on ya, but this ain't it. I would look into heartbreaker for a damage/tanky type build, and striker or nego as a full damage dps.

[tulip charm]

Who even made this

[subtle bluff]

A long long time ago

UBI made stuff for players...

[tulip charm]

Wait is this like tu9 or 10?

[bright raptor]

https://x.com/ubimassive/status/1567489728345264130

[hexed steppe]

All these listed in the pinned spreadsheet 📌

[subtle bluff]

idk it's like this...

OLD some is still good info but some is old dated.

Like gear score. ALSO that's a 40mb god damn pic....

Shit feel like I should find these and save them all some where.

[fresh fox]

depends on the build

haz pro, sniper and pure armor tanks are the main exceptions

[subtle bluff]

Generally you're right Krieger but there verryy few where the exception we use gearset for there stats.

[bright raptor]

isn't Habsburg unicorn Hotshot still 3pc of Hotshot?

[onyx sage]

ye

[fresh fox]

some variants use 2pc

like the 2pc douglas 2pc hotshot chainkiller foxes stability build

it’s for goats.

[onyx sage]

variants

🫵 😆

[tulip charm]

Oh thats old old

[fresh fox]

STOP.

[trim wedge]

What’s yalls reanimated builds 👀

[fresh fox]

nothing, the event is anti regulus.

[trim wedge]

Time to throw on hotshot and farm control points until my fingers bleed

[shy willow]

Don't even need hotshot

[strong cave]

I'd like to see this playerbase get reanimated in a build version that isn't given to us with half-assed effort

[hexed steppe]

Ninja chainkiller builds be killing it this week

[strong cave]

Guilty of this 😅

Extra armor and still 1 shots everything... What's there not to love?

[shy willow]

Maybe they'll extend it whenever they fix the lag

[strong cave]

First fix the direction of the game of all things... Then fix the other issues

[hexed steppe]

We need some community pressure about missing lexingtons. I need 2 more to fill out my alts

[strong cave]

I need 2 more to shove in my stash and procrastinate about recalibrating them

[subtle bluff]

You guys see when I posted this? 💀

[hexed steppe]

It's pretty good. I have 1 with flatline currently for a hb build. Didnt originally like hb on release but it's pretty solid with lex

[shy willow]

Wincing

[strong cave]

Please tell me what talent is on it

[strong cave]

I've grown to hate heartbreaker backpack

[subtle bluff]

measured I think it was

[hexed steppe]

Blessed

[strong cave]

Have to take memento with HB. Could be a skill issue

[strong cave]

CRIMINAL

NO. SOMEBODY FLAG THIS MAN.

[subtle bluff]

Not the worse. But I saw this coming when it was released just needed to find him.

I like measured

[hexed steppe]

I been mostly ceska vig coyote, with it. Love memento but I been doing a lot of hopping groups so never keep my stacks

[strong cave]

Solo play. Seasonal Journey 7. I cannot be assed to direct a group of people with modifiers on, nor hear the whining of striker players when they get bored of killing too fast on hard difficulty

Memento my beloved

[hexed steppe]

I just roll through 4x projects

[onyx sage]

if i kill them too fast... my game gets shorter... so i play less game... money not worth...

[hexed steppe]

Npc teamates always gotta sort gear. It always gg, bounce

[strong cave]

Legit how I feel this season. But it wasn't fast. It was so ungodly slow. Painfully slow. 1 million years slow. Money not worth this season

[shy willow]

All that minmax to complain they're killing too fast

[strong cave]

People just don't know what pieces are good and what aren't 🤷 I started noticing specific pieces are only good with specific rolls. Once I started seeing all that, farming was a lightning quick task

[subtle bluff]

Ugh I forgot to clip a thing I did on a Back Up call I did for DUA. Basically this noob 3 stack on Leggo DUA. They at the outside the first door because of the 3 Chunga's. Put on my goofy strikers with BTSU on OC and ran into and more or less solo all 3 Chunga's. It's was great.

[strong cave]

What's that build ? 👀 I made my striker healer finally

With overcharge

[subtle bluff]

Strikers with a BTSU glove basically

[strong cave]

Same

[subtle bluff]

It's red strikers

[hexed steppe]

Pickup with z, make it real quick

[subtle bluff]

I'm dumb striker with some healing build is for Wright only,

[strong cave]

Ah that's why... Possibly mechanical animal reliant? Then OC once you hit ST6

[shy willow]

BT chungas have scary backpacks but they became easy when I realised you can shoot the chain and it gives you a massive window

[subtle bluff]

Nope. Just BTSU. ACS12 Brazen my stacks and ouro the other 2 down

[strong cave]

Master difficulty modifier: "chungas no longer lose their chains"

[subtle bluff]

I didn't kill the chains I just killed

[subtle bluff]

BTSU OC

[shy willow]

SHD tech is disabled

[strong cave]

Weird. Don't you gotta be at ST6 tho?

[subtle bluff]

Read BTSU

[strong cave]

Lemme check on build tool. Not logged in game

[subtle bluff]

Oh I"ll copy it for you

[shy willow]

Btsu just needs to detonate hive and gets instant oc

[subtle bluff]

I've messing with this different way of doing Tech Tank.

[hexed steppe]

Btsu, my second love after mortar

[strong cave]

Yup just read, completely forgot that to SHARE the overclock you gotta be at ST6. Devs need to rework these goddamn descriptions

[subtle bluff]

Yea... It's bad with some of them. Backfire is another one.

[hexed steppe]

Double proc right?

[strong cave]

People think it does bleed to people lol

Nah bro that's Ridgeway 😂

[subtle bluff]

Should just say "Any new stacks will bleed"

[strong cave]

Easiest way to dumb down Backfire:

"Shooting enemies builds 1 stack of 2% Critical Hit Damage. Max Stacks are 100. Reloading applies Bleed to the agent for 10 seconds. Bleed stops at Max stacks"

[subtle bluff]

Also if I'm doing it this I put it on my TDI Kard using that to OC with just one kill.

[strong cave]

Info you get in short sentences:

Max CHD = 200%
Max Stacks = 100

I reload, it hurts. Once I make it to 100 stacks I can stop bleeding

[subtle bluff]

That's wrong it doesn't stop bleeding at Max Stacks.

[strong cave]

Bug?

[subtle bluff]

It won't bleed past 100

[strong cave]

I've ran full crit backfire and bleeding stopped at 100

[subtle bluff]

People would get confused at that one and say it's bugged

when they reload at 100 stacks

LOL see confusing.

[hexed steppe]

This is only recently popular, but backfire bleed always stopped. The difference is you dont need 4 mags to max. You also dont need to be max. It has to so with the stack difference from last reload to current. If it was more, you bleed

[strong cave]

So like for example, you dump 32 rounds

Next mag has to be less than the previous mag emptied?

[subtle bluff]

Payment in kind 🟢
Dealing damage to enemies adds a stack of 2%(1%) CHD.
Stacks last for 10s and are capped to 100(200).
On Reload, apply a 10s bleed to yourself which deals 0.5% armor damage per stack. (In other words per New stack)
Stats: Base MPX WD:🔻50,989 (53,124) | ROF: 850
Mag: 30 🟢 Reload: 2.27 (2.3) | Range: 22
Mods: 🟢 Optics: +15%(5%) CHC 🟢 Muzzle: +15%(5%) CHD

[strong cave]

Hold up wait

I see it i think

[subtle bluff]

LOL seeeeeeee

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, new stacks.

[strong cave]

Each NEW STACK applies the ARMOR damage from the bleed