td2-build-advice

[daring mesa]

holy hell about loot

that countdown was easy

[low narwhal]

yess, they want to use stinger hive so i was giving them different ways to utilise stinger hive w different builds.

[trim wedge]

So, since my return I have made a striker build to meta and a hotshot build to meta what should be next ? I’m thinking tank any ideas ?

[versed summit]

Hunters fury. I really wouldn’t recommend a tank as you’re mostly just going to be carried.

[worn mango]

Not spinning OD proppy is blasphemous

[bleak sequoia]

@low narwhal this is what I run solo. Bog standard striker build except for the Palisade which I'm running for AoK. I'd prefer a Palisade chest with CHC+CHD+Obliterate so that I can put on Coyotes again but those don't exactly grow on trees.

[low narwhal]

looks solid tbf

[bleak sequoia]

yeah exactly. skill issue

[low narwhal]

whats your CHC/CHD like?

I think you should try HB. its tankier striker. I prefer HB for open world lol xD

[bleak sequoia]

CHC 55.5, CHD 99.5

[low narwhal]

perfect!

[bleak sequoia]

yeah when running in groups I use coyotes and swap out the knees

[low narwhal]

but if you get good with striker, you can be real good in the game

[low narwhal]

ahh i see!

[bleak sequoia]

assuming there's a healer to keep me upright lol

[low narwhal]

maybe you can try using preservation in your lexington to get armor back faster

in open world

[bleak sequoia]

yeah might be the thing. It's attrition for me

[low narwhal]

every 5 kills will give you full armor

<5 if you get headshot kills

[bleak sequoia]

I take like 30% damage on each wave, so I end up using those damn armor kits...

[low narwhal]

or maybe you can slot in some PFE?

[onyx sage]

learn to not take damage and you'll be on your way

[bleak sequoia]

^ that's the thing

[onyx sage]

you're never forced to take damage in this game

[bleak sequoia]

I'm not playing correctly, I'm sure of it

[low narwhal]

same xD i need to learn this way. I just crutch on my HB, PFE and reviver lol

[bleak sequoia]

so, ok, let's say there's 5 guys, they're in cover and shooting at me. I shouldn't try to hit them right?

[onyx sage]

position yourself so that you pick them off one by one, shooting 1 while the other 4 can't hit you

[bleak sequoia]

yeah, that's it

[onyx sage]

even better, the 1 that you're shooting ideally can't shoot back at you

[low narwhal]

i should put on my red DPS build and do the same xD

[onyx sage]

knowing how to do this will let you breeze through the hardest content in this game

[bleak sequoia]

so what happens is, those 5 guys, one of them pops out and takes some shots - I pop out and kill him, and while I'm bursting him down with my mag (and it takes a bloody long time on heroic even with a DPS build) - the other 4 have popped out and taken some shots. Boom there goes 50% of my armor. I kill the guy, get 20% back. I'm still out 30%. Untenable.

[onyx sage]

then damage is your problem

assuming you are taking the utmost advantage in shooting your enemy when possible

[bleak sequoia]

I think I'm too impatient or panicky. Moving might be a better option than shooting in a bunch of those situations. 5-on-1 aren't good odds

[onyx sage]

how you move is also important. use cover to cover to reposition

[bleak sequoia]

yeah gotta do that more

[subtle bluff]

Wtf theirs 2.

[onyx sage]

it all comes down to experience and knowledge at the end of the day. what my job is is telling you that it's all possible and you can put in the time to perfect your gameplay

go less on surv and more into damage. killing faster IS survivability

[bleak sequoia]

yeah maybe that palisade is a crutch. I was doing all red and then once I had that on I was like wow so much easier

[onyx sage]

i would say because you are low shd you have to prioritize damage stats even more than high lvl accounts

they have the stats to spare so they can spare some for survivability

you're looking at a 10% gain when swapping from palisade to coyote

[bleak sequoia]

yeah that is a lot

[onyx sage]

i'm just estimating based on the crit ratio you gave above

you should be on gunner, the 10% aok from it is enough

[bleak sequoia]

yeah it needs to be enough. If 10% is not enough, 20% won't make a difference because I'm just eating too many bullets for my tiny health pool to keep up with

[onyx sage]

you have to think of aok as a "dependent" stat. aok only works if you can kill fast enough. if you can't, it's inherently less value and most of the time you can swap it out for more damage

having 10% from gunner is enough while letting you focus the rest of your build budget on damage

[bleak sequoia]

btw unrelated Question. I noticed (icbw) directives increase loot drop chances but doesn't affect loot rolls right? I notice that on Challenging x 5 directives I get plenty of drops and most of the rolls are bad, whereas on Heroic there's way more max-rolls.

so basically if I want XP I should lower difficulty and increase directives, if I want loot I should increase difficulty and reduce directives

[onyx sage]

correct

[onyx sage]

if you want xp you increase both

if you want loot you also increase both

[onyx sage]

important exceptions though, directives only increase targeted loot chance, but certain items will not benefit from it like bighorn, EB etc.

because these are not in targeted loot

[subtle bluff]

Maybe it's a skill issue or lazy but sometimes when I go full red and I'm a full group taking calls I'll get shot more than when I'm solo or duo. So I get the AoK thing. I just picked up one with both CHC and CHD maxed on it. Idk where I'd fit and use it. I rather have it vs armor kitting 2 times in a fight.

[onyx sage]

npcs have more damage due to scaling

you're probably shot at by the same number of npcs if you're in duo vs in quad

you just take more damage because they deal more

in solo everything shoots at you but they do less damage

[subtle bluff]

I thought it was only HP scaling . Wurd.

[versed summit]

Same tbh

[broken edge]

Both damage and health are increased by difficulty and player numbers

[subtle bluff]

I've just been derpy then.

[trim wedge]

So hunters furry is a good build to go for next?

[subtle bluff]

I pretty only use it till it's 3 or more heroic.

Or modifiers.

[trim wedge]

Isn’t there a named smg better than Ouro?

Black smthing

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no. Dark Winter is better if you have it's talent up if it isn't ouro is still quite better.

Backfire

[trim wedge]

no it was Dark Winter lol got dark confused with black

I don’t have Ouro tho so ima try to farm Dark W

[subtle bluff]

It's not too hard to get imo. Find a good group and full Strikers.

[solar sable]

there's an extra r in fury
just sayin

[trim wedge]

Cool, learn something new everyday

[solar sable]

lol

[bleak sequoia]

Hunter's Furry could be a new apparel item.

[gentle lichen]

Shit would cost a fortune

Those suits expensive as hell

[solar sable]

they cost a fkn organ

[main stream]

What are the current top meta choices? I know its all preference, but is strikers still king?

[gloomy spruce]

In most cases for DPS, yes.

[subtle bluff]

Weapons those are different.

[gloomy spruce]

It takes some time to ramp up, but it is.

[subtle bluff]

Elmo I still a thing but there are choices and things to play with now.

[broken edge]

You are fighting over something like 3% between top DPS weapons

They all work well

[main stream]

Yeah I just didnt know if anything had changed since I last logged in a while ago.

[keen wing]

I'm looking for a hybrid build between DPS and good skill power. Do I run Striker with skill mods on it% or any better build ?

[subtle bluff]

#patch-notes message

[subtle bluff]

DP?

[keen wing]

typo.... DPS **

[fresh fox]

bit more than that but yea

[rich lotus]

FACTUAL PREACH 🙏

[hexed steppe]

tbh, run regular crit striker/ceska and add memento for the 30% skill efficiency. thats 30% in all skill buckets without totally wrecking a dps build. jmho

add tech class and youre on free skilltier 2 (tier 3 shield)

i got those suggestions saved from last night btw, appreciate it. ill work through them as time allow

[bleak sequoia]

What's the point of having more than one stack here?

[hexed steppe]

70% amp i think. also applies to mortar damage 😉

[bleak sequoia]

that's a lot of damage, but seems like too much management for me

thanks

[fresh fox]

*skills in general

and grenades but yea

[dreamy valve]

Those kinds of talents always seem good on paper until you get to the execution part

[tulip charm]

That talent is only good for skill builds unironically

Also can you proc it and and still build stacks?

or you have to wait for the second part to end to start building stacks

[dreamy valve]

As an opportunity cost, I’d instead proc hard wired talent for skill builds, it’s just too fun imo

[tulip charm]

No like you get two kills and the skills would have 70% amp forever

Just dont shoot after you get the two stacks

terrible for guns broken for skill builds xd

[hexed steppe]

when i was range testing , i was still able to proc combined arms as long as the target was >20m . wouldnt spend the proc. but its kindof more that i wanted to worry about anyways. its about 1m more damage to my normal mortar setup stacked but without oc, and about 1m lower than the stacked overcharged mortar hits

[hexed steppe]

can do both technically. if you get the weapon stacked just hold and dont shoot. its more damage than cap adds to a build, and way more than insync. definitely a solid choice , but admittedly difficult to get first proc

[gentle lichen]

Considering you had reviver. How many procs would it take for hardwired to recharge 1 charge?

And bag to cut uptime in half too

[subtle bluff]

Just have btsu gloves works since it give a lot of haste to hives and then you could OC to keep it charged up.

[tulip charm]

I see thanks mortar man

[shy willow]

Woah

So I take it ditch my shotgun and just run the drill or whatever that named carbine was

[trim wedge]

The Drill

[dreamy valve]

Sounds like it would eventually be fixed

[dreamy valve]

I’ll see how it goes for my hardwired build, since I just spam clusters without needing to see npcs in the other room

If you don’t lose the buff even if fast traveling, going to hideout, or dying, then it’s worth the hassle

[subtle bluff]

You should lose it just like every other weapon buff.

[dreamy valve]

If that’s true then it has very limited use for my build and I would still stick with in sync

[hexed steppe]

You trigger the cooldown on weapon damage <20m. No weapon damage no loss of buff. I'm unsure if fast travel affects

[amber rampart]

Whats the best 3 builds (without striker) for players less than 1000 shd level?

[subtle bluff]

Ya its like determine.

[subtle bluff]

HB, Hotshot & HF

[amber rampart]

Do you have a breakdown for them?

[subtle bluff]

Check pinned messages

[amber rampart]

There's nothing in there except old messages

[copper holly]

Empress skill build still the best?

[tulip charm]

Its a good start point for most skill build

[onyx sage]

the sheet pinned there is always good

[sullen sun]

Does Ridgeway work with Iron Lung?

[tulip charm]

As in is it viable?

[sullen sun]

Like does it work with it period? The bleed 🩸

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[sullen sun]

eh?

Would Vile be more viable here?

Or should I just go Ongoing Dir?

[green agate]

Is this a pvp or pve build

That’s the question

[sullen sun]

Pve mainly, cd etc.

[green agate]

U should use a wicked bag imo with the sadist talent on a weapon but if you feel like your current does more dmg it’s up to you

When I got on in a couple minutes I’ll send a ss of my build

[hexed steppe]

Fire eclipse , hotshot mmr, turret/drone(or mortar) skill damage.
All are in the pinned spreadsheet

[bleak sequoia]

which pin

oh the first tab

[hexed steppe]

Get rid of ridgeway.
Just go od for this type of setup. No vile, unless you run a 30% amp ( like ep bag gives to eclipse), not worth otherwise

[hexed steppe]

Hub (builds) has all the links for different build breakdowns

Spreadsheet 2 I think is the text for the sheet link

[hexed steppe]

Best debatable, viable: yes.
If only after skill damage and haste wyvern 2 hanna is slightly stronger and leaves opening for waveform, yellow sacrifice for stacking more damage

Theyre really close tho I think. Use what ya got

[midnight willow]

Question, for a sniper build, I was adivised to use aces and eights with hotshot, does that make sense?

[onyx sage]

no, just use hotshot

3 or 4 pieces of hotshot with the others being high end brand sets

[hexed steppe]

. Go full hotshot, chain killer chest, airaldi vigilance bag

A8 is dead set

[onyx sage]

we saved another lamb from being claimed by the ninjabike wolf...

[hexed steppe]

💯

[gloomy spruce]

Hi... 🐺

I ninjabike wolf!

🐺

[midnight willow]

what is that?

[gloomy spruce]

A magical backpack that many say is ill advised, since it is incapable of competing with Vigilance.

Also known as Youtuber Special.

[midnight willow]

also I can't find the chain killer chest on the gear spreadsheet

nevermind

[hexed steppe]

Ninja easy way to drop 6m off your top end hh shots. Who needs damage when you can get some useless set bonus

Chainkiller is probably a 1 countdown run drop. Walker harris target

[light grove]

Ninjabike needs the stats to outweigh the backpack talent that could’ve been in the slot…

Unfortunately, it doesn’t really do that.

[gloomy spruce]

It is mostly one talent. Vigi for DPS builds. It is an easy to activate talent that has a very low cooldown.

It grants a high damage bonus as well.

[hexed steppe]

Vigilance > memento > ninja

[gloomy spruce]

Vigi in most cases crowds out almost every damage talent. Its too good to pass up and its only competitor before this last patch was the striker backpack for striker builds.

The other talents are situational, require circumstances to line up, or have short time windows to make work.

Memento is mostly good solo in long sessions where the bonuses can accumulate and you get trophies on kill.

Most tier 2 brand set bonuses are not sufficent enough to counter vigi which is either a significant +25% additive buff to total weapon damage or in some cases like PGC, Vigi is its own Amp buff if a weapon talent does not increase total weapon damage on its own.

[bleak sequoia]

My one countdown run drop of Chainkiller. Technically correct, the best kind of correct.

[tulip charm]

Just one more bro

[gloomy spruce]

Yeah, you should keep going until you get one with Headshot Damage, Weapon Handling, or both. It will take some work to optimize if it is coming from there too.

Good luck!

[restive vortex]

Thoughts on this pve build for Bighorn? Attributes are HSD / CHC on everything

Ik Bighorn isn’t the best for pve

[broken edge]

You mean regulus? Otherwise keeping that holster is a bit useless for ARs

[restive vortex]

Hmm what do you suggest. I was thinking of maybe using eagles grasp instead of contractors since bighorn has some kick to it but idk

And replacing the holster with somethin else

[trim wedge]

https://youtu.be/YHjYMIkKirE?si=PJdwt8qo1bwAAbxs

Build I use with bighorn, works fine for me

[hexed steppe]

CD is great for named item drops. Need them sacrifices to get the right rolls 😉

[dry shell]

Returning player here... does the weapon expertise damage bonus apply in the DZ and in Conflict? Feels brutal.

[hexed steppe]

Not conflict. I think dz yes

[fresh fox]

keep contractors

honestly that build is mainly a pistol build

[magic pilot]

Honeslty you really can't make bighorn that good in pve

Sure it's usable but it'll never be amazing or anything special

Your best bet would just be the normal striker build tbh

[subtle bluff]

Its only really when it's on all HSD but you'll run into problems when things don't have a head.

[broken edge]

I need to test it with the new gear set

Otherwise its fine for my OD everyday use

[subtle bluff]

I should but I don’t want to use effort.

[bleak sequoia]

I'm using the Hollywood event to experiment with a flamer main weapon, is Vile+Eclipse better for this or Tip-of-the-Spear better?

[subtle bluff]

EMP pulse. Go.

[trim wedge]

Mortar OP

It’s Locals time to shine

[solar sable]

he always shines

[hexed steppe]

go highend mortar, eclipse with jammer/fire sticky/vile, hardwire cluster or jammer spam.
youll find mortar is kinda the most efficient, because the kills already drop spec ammo, dont need tots for it. grenade launcher is pretty good when its mostly full of ammo. 1 grenade round into spawn pretty much kills everything. i would suggest stinger hive as your proc for hardwire feedback loop. stinger hive is good on mortar as well, with or without btsu. being able to throw it anytime afen if mid cooldown will see it wreck a lot of stuff in a pinch

[hexed steppe]

can say that again

any of your shock ammo also pops the shields, so scorpio and elmo have a decent use.

welp flamethrower edges out mortar, missed that. ep or hardwire *

[trim wedge]

Legendary Tidal Basin with the event 💀

[trim wedge]

So I made a hunters fury build and it’s dog

[shy willow]

You can post it in here for advice

[trim wedge]

I’ll make a few changes watched more videos and I’m seeing a lot of people run momento with it, and more blue cores seems far better cause with current build, I used a kami video and it’s horrible

[faint ocean]

Thanks to all who helped me on this thread. Finally got my CHC to 54% and my CHD to 70%. And I've been using a Strega AR along with a Black Market RPK-74 E.

Thinking of what builds to do next. Something that involves a marksman rifle perhaps. Maybe heal from afar?

[tulip charm]

Whatever you want

[primal vessel]

whats a good skill dmg build

[junior surge]

3 empress, 2 hana-u, 1 wyvern is a good starting template, especially if you're going for drone turret.

[primal vessel]

what if i go hive and seeker mine with btsu

[light grove]

You mean with like stinger and clusters / base seeker? It’s pretty decent with Hardwired and a wyvern piece.

[junior surge]

Btsu gloves are always great if you're running a hive. The cooldown alone is worth it.

And the overcharge is quite nice, especially in teamplay.

If you run seekers, it might be worth going with china light instead of wyvern. It will increase the damage of your seekers by a good bit more, but not hive damage if you're running stinger. If you're running restorer though, definitely go with china light

[light grove]

(Sorry, disregard, you explained it)

[primal vessel]

ill make a hard wired btsu stinger hive

i saw someone using it but idk the full build

[strange dew]

What build is good for grinding levels. Im level 186 or sum rn and I see people at like 4000. I dont have lots of good stuff so what's a Dollar Store XP grinding build?

[junior surge]

Hotshot sniper and just do open world stuff tbh

[modest path]

@junior surgethe best way to grind if doing world map encounters them?

[junior surge]

All you really need is a chainkiller (which drop quite often and the talent does all the heavy lifting), 3-4 pieces of hotshot and a decent sniper rifle (m700, sr-1 or m44 all work well) sprinkle in determined and you can grind quite easily.

[strange dew]

How do you get the chainkiller

Ive been grinding summit on W&H

Walker and Harris Co

[junior surge]

Countdown is way fater than summit

[strange dew]

Whats countdown?

and im a solo player so can I do it?

[junior surge]

A game mode in the powerplant. It's 8 people but you can matchmake

[strange dew]

I dont own Xbox Live

So i dont think I can do it

Nevermind

How hard is it for a solo at 189?

[junior surge]

It's not really practical for solo players tbh. Just keep doing summit then, you'll get it eventually

[strange dew]

thanks

[primal vessel]

do u know hard wired and btsu build

with hive

4p hard wired 1p china and btsu?

[junior surge]

With seekers?

Yea, 4 pc hardwired, china light glass cannon chest, btsu gloves. I'd personally run it with a restore hive instead tbh, you can't really reset the seeker cooldown with the hive if you throw it out.

[primal vessel]

well hard wire chest actually

[subtle bluff]

Same but I'll start out with mortar and a BP. I'll eventually swap over to hive then and BTSU.

[subtle bluff]

In the CD menu you'll be able to match with others just make sure you don't do it on heroic.

[strange dew]

K

[primal vessel]

eh?

[subtle bluff]

Get China light chest with skill damage and glass canon. You'll do a lot more dmg.

[primal vessel]

with seeker mine?

or total

[subtle bluff]

Wait what skills are you using.

[primal vessel]

lmao

i got seeker mine now sry XD

i changed it after posted the picture

well legendary summit jammer is useful sometimes

[subtle bluff]

What do you mean by total?

[copper holly]

Is the armour on gloves worth putting on a strikers build red dps build

[subtle bluff]

Has in?
Yes and no without more context.

[copper holly]

For heroic and legendary content

Like will it actually help massively for survivability

Or it's not worth it over the extra weapon damage instead

Could you show me your striker build setup if you have one also

@subtle bluff

[junior surge]

Are you talking about the deathgrips? If so, no not really. A palisade piece gives the exact same armor on kill but you don't waste a stat on health, so you can put in more crit.

[copper holly]

No I'm on about the strikers build where people put blue cores

[junior surge]

You can put in however many blue cores you want. Where exactly the balance is right for you is up to you. I mainly use two striker builds: a full red one for countdown and raids and one with 4 blue cores for misions and open world. Generally speaking imo blue cores have less value the more people you have in your group. For solo play even with blue cores, I can kill pretty fast. But in a bigger group I'll want more damage so I wear less blue.

[subtle bluff]

Killgorex is pretty on point.
I always make a conversation for "Red vs Blue" this is mainly for PvE/open world the thought is Red is important to have to be able to kill and have a good ttk. The thought is having some more armor to keep you in the fight longer so you can keep DPS.
The other side if you're running shield another blue core will give it another tier which will give it a good amount more HP on it.

[broken edge]

The scalling with groups tend to be bigger than scalling of difficulty

[modest path]

can someone suggest to me a DPS LMG build

[subtle bluff]

Strikers or Heartbreaker.

[modest path]

is pestilence "good" with striker?

i searched about it, both reddit, google and chats here, more people say that its not that good, but i really want to play it in a good build

that the pestilence its better with high end build them gearset

[faint ocean]

Also wondering. Just got it, but I love my Strenga AR. Idon't why I love it more than the St .Elmo.

[subtle bluff]

I wouldn't say pesti is not good with Strikers, It still works. Pestilence base gun m249 is good DPS weapon and it helps pesti helps out with making quicker stacks due to more ROF. Any good RPM gun is good with Strikers.
If you're looking for pesti tick to do more dmg you want to max out your LMG WD stats.
Im not the best to speak on what works better I just know that's the difference. I don't have a good pesti to want to try to use it yet nor I'd just like things to just die quicker and not have to reload so long.

[subtle bluff]

In fights where you get to build Strenga talent up more it'll do more dmg for sure.
St. Elmo is just more reliable gun overall.

[modest path]

pesti is good, but if using pesti for dps and not from the pesti perk, them there are other option far superior basically?

any good way to farm st elmos? is strega farmable or just with the pass?

[tulip charm]

1. Yes there's better options for striker.
2. Targetloot AR in Countdown
3. Yes Strega is farmable but blueprint is tied to pass atm.

[next shadow]

Any lmg builds?

[tulip charm]

Most dps build will work for it

[next shadow]

Ok thx

What's a good pvp build?

[subtle bluff]

There's but it's a lot more playstyle and skill than build for PvP

Too lazy to look to post the guide. If you search for @magic pilot in his bio there's a PvP guide.

[magic pilot]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/e276d9da-3885-ebd9-5354-35b77ed1c75c

[copper holly]

Hotshot build is so good

[subtle bluff]

It does make some things just simpler. I have I've been cooking that's a bit easier than hotshot in a way but it's really just a different playstyle.

[copper holly]

What build

[subtle bluff]

Iit's HH Rifle thing. I'm still cooking it up.

Hotshot and MMR has a more reliable dmg.

[hexed steppe]

1886 highend ?

[subtle bluff]

Mixed ish..

[bleak sequoia]

are MMR rifles getting a huge buff to base damage (as indicated in The Spreadsheet) or has that already happened?

On the tab called "PTS Y5 S3"

[subtle bluff]

Interesting for next seasons stuff already. I don't understand the SR-1 buff it's sit in a balanced spot atm.

[bleak sequoia]

I don't know what the M44's numbers are but I think this would make the several base models beat the White Death for headhunter builds

[subtle bluff]

I think the MMR are not in a bad spot for the top end stuff. Some of the lower end stuff should be put into the mix but they don't need that much dmg. Model 700 and M44 being on the top makes sense with there clip size

White Death is a the named m44

[tulip charm]

I think those are the current numbers no?

Unless a rare data leak happened

[junior surge]

They are

M700 and SR-1 at least. M700 carbon and tactical are currently at 439797.0 which is neither the first or second number shown

So this chart ism kinda weird tbh

SRS are current values. And the Tactical .308 change makes no sense at all, it's proposing a change by 0.53 base damage.

[rich lotus]

FYI guys we are in year 6 now

So I doubt the things in a tab called "Y5 S3" are relevant now

Those are from the TU20 PTS https://trello.com/c/tfOuitqE

[subtle bluff]

DERP

I Derp

[onyx sage]

hey, i recognize those numbers, i wrote those!

and these are old numbers

[rich lotus]

what happened here buddy

[onyx sage]

rounding buddy

[rich lotus]

damn we going back to the 3rd grade in 2025 🔥 🔥

[onyx sage]

i like having extra fractional digits for my abacus

[bleak sequoia]

so ignore everything, the numbers are no longer valid?

[onyx sage]

yes

[bleak sequoia]

I've been hoarding M700s and Sr-1s for nothing ahahaha

[rich lotus]

yeah thanks rotor blades

[onyx sage]

well the wooden model 700 is good

[rich lotus]

look what you made him do

[onyx sage]

i haven't talked to you since last year bro who are you

[rich lotus]

no

stop

@fresh fox dm'd me that shi and it did NOT end well for him.

[onyx sage]

you two like to arbitrarily use full stops so you're more similar than you think

[rich lotus]

I wrote a sentence so I put a period like what

ur getting off topic pal

im gonna tell rivens

[onyx sage]

hi gonna tell rivens

i'm getting off topic pal

[rich lotus]

💀

[fresh fox]

ended pretty well i think

[rich lotus]

oh yeah you wanna share with the class what happened then

[hazy steeple]

Let's not and say we did.

[rich lotus]

LMAO

true I agree

[fresh fox]

do we???

[primal vessel]

i use all red build striker backpack ceska obliterate chest for raids and high difficulty missions
and striker chest on incursions

its good trust me

[carmine compass]

Honestly for solo it doesn't really matter, you can run an all blue Striker and still decimate Heroic, obviously full red is still better

If you want a couple blue cores and it makes the gameplay more comfortable for you, go for it

For group content is where you really wanna go all red

Or if you are strictly playing solo, slap Memento on your build + Technician, its all the survivability/shield hp you will ever need

[hot pawn]

Is countdown on a weekly lockout? I just hit 40 and i wana try getting a full red strikers build going on since im just decked in random yellows

[hybrid citrus]

Hay guys first time level 40 player, I'm still not to positive one what type of build I wanna do so was hoping I could get some pointers for a solo high DPS build

[subtle bluff]

Check out the Pinned Message

[subtle bluff]

uh?

[hot pawn]

Ill check out the pinned message to read up thanks!

[pure trench]

No it's open all the time

[modest path]

making a striker build, i should focus first on getting CHC to 50-55% right?

[faint ocean]

I think cap is 60%, so as close as you can.

[modest path]

but the main thing to do first is get as much CHC right?

[faint ocean]

Thats what someone sold me.

[hexed steppe]

no. you may have a harder time matchmaking this week tho. with hollywood ge active, the player base is split between those running it or not.

[modest path]

the gear mod slot, should go with what? Dteooc?

oooh, the mod must be critical hit dmg

[patent fossil]

Ideally you want to balance chc and chd for maximum damage, generally chc should be about half of chd (until you get it up to 60%)

If you're running coyotes then 50-55% chc is fine

[modest path]

ooh okey

[modest path]

is there diff between running atrib CHC or CHD for getting the gear mod CHC or CHD?

or doesn't matter ?

[patent fossil]

The usual approach is to prioritise chd on gear attributes and chc on mods, that way you can switch out the mods for chd once you gain more chc from watch levels or weapon mods

[modest path]

ioooh, okey, thanks

best way to farm, just do countd with targeted loot?

[subtle bluff]

This also the reason we say ceska is really good brand set for the extra CHC

[obtuse shoal]

I've had 18-24 month break, what are meta builds for pvp/legendary/raid?

[primal vessel]

cluster or normal explosive

[light grove]

My opinion says clusters since you’re using hardwired BP. As long as you can keep refreshing the clusters with the hive.

More single target situations (rogues and bosses) switch to the regular seeker for more damage.

[trim wedge]

Strikers

[obtuse shoal]

is carabine 7 still good? I can't see anyone running it

[worn mango]

Lexington is basically the new best HE AR

If not that, FAMAS, FAL and F2000 are the next best options

[obtuse shoal]

are contractors and foxes still best in slot for high dps builds? What blue to red ratio is best for pvp?

[modest path]

is lexington on general loot drop?

[light grove]

Lexington was the reward from a few weeks back that was given to all division agents. The agent you logged onto determined its level. I don’t think it drops.

[light grove]

If you’re using strikers probably not. For high end DPS I think it depends on if you will be using the 1pc brand bonus these named weapons are attached to.

I also haven’t been around in a hot minute (about quite a few months) so someone with more recent upkeep should chime in 🫡

[uncut whale]

Hey, would like some advice, i'm looking for a build that fits my gameplay, i am currently using striker memento and it bothers me in the way that i have to play quite short range to get the memento stacks. i'm more of a range player and i'd like a build where i can stay at range without loosing any bonuses (pestilence, rifles, etc...) and still be a bit tanky

ATM, i'm ~p650 and exp6, thanks for you infos

Little precision, i'm always playing in duo, so a support build would fit too

[hollow light]

anyone have a build for conflict or dz?

[hexed steppe]

Check the pinned spreadsheet. There is a pvp build guide in hub(builds)

[hollow light]

thx

[trim wedge]

Is the drill any good?

Been hearing it’s better than Elmos and Lexington not sure why

[onyx sage]

on paper it is but in practice it's so much more hassle to use for its intended purpose

[trim wedge]

Gotcha I always Que for a +1 to help me on summit cause playing solo just isn’t my style and I’ve had like 5 people tell me to use it instead

Rn I’m using Lexington to get it proficient and it hits so much harder than Elmo’s imo

[worn mango]

Why you use Elmo's is just for shock rounds and ease of use. Past that, Lexi is the goat

[onyx sage]

the problem with the drill is it forces a target priority on you that might be incompatible with the practical target priority

[trim wedge]

Yeah I figured cause with lex you dominate

[onyx sage]

most of the time, you want to kill enemies closer to you as they are higher threats

[worn mango]

Yeah, range stuff is way too dependent on AI tendencies

[onyx sage]

and then kill the further ones

precision strike goes counter to that common sense approach

[trim wedge]

Most AI instantly push aswell if you play heroic

Give no fcks

[onyx sage]

or legendary

[worn mango]

I get frustrated when I get into a countdown and they have modifiers on. I have to turn into an all out long range gamer lol

[onyx sage]

and i'm very much against giving build advice that doesn't scale well unless it specifically is for that difficulty

[trim wedge]

Rn I’m grinding out the league and it’s forcing me to use modifiers and I hate them 😂

[worn mango]

The only one I truly hate is clamshell. The biggest and most likely range just gets shlacked

[modest path]

is strega a good option for striker? (not best, good)

why i can extract the weapon dmg from this mask? its not showing on the lib opt

oh, its a named gear?

its not a named gear

[vestal ibex]

You see that orange tick mark at the bottom on the far right side? It shows your library status and it's maxed already. Under the other two stats you can see where your library is at. idk like 5ish% on CHC and 0% on weapon handling.

[modest path]

if it is max out, them it wont show when extracting it

[vestal ibex]

Maybe post a screen shot of what you are talking about then?

[modest path]

its was a self answering question , ssorry, mybad

[light grove]

I think asking questions then getting an answer that should’ve seemed obvious is a wonderful way of staying sane. It just means it wasn’t obvious to you and that’s ok.

Also, you were attempting to extract weapon handling, not weapon damage, that’s why the item showed up. It won’t let you select weapon damage on the library for extraction if it’s maxed out.

[modest path]

thanks man

[quiet arrow]

chat is this build good

[vestal ibex]

Super gud start for a low level SHD player, I'd try to change the chest talent and brand to obliterate/ceska and maybe use gunner/firewall as spec. There is also the question of your CHC/CHD numbers but at a glance it's a great start.

[quiet arrow]

alr ty

[kindred mango]

Dang. Elmo’s and Coyote’s at shd 123. I’m a bit jelly 😎👍

[quiet arrow]

i grind summit ar

jefferson heroic for mask

[kindred mango]

I restarted on PC recently and opened 4 Lady Deaths in a row lol

[modest path]

U grinding summit in what diff ?

[quiet arrow]

i did challenging for easiness

also decent drops

[modest path]

floor10 farming ?

[quiet arrow]

nah i just did it until 100

i got 3 elmos engine

1 strega

[modest path]

What did you use to grind 100floor in challenge

Damn

I get destroyed on challenge

[timid rain]

Is there any dps build for lexington that isnt striker that can deal good damage?

[vestal ibex]

OD and HB.

[light grove]

Strikers is just ideal. You can slap any talent on Lexington to make use of it for many things though.

You could try HE with just crit chance and damage bonuses instead of strikers if you really want.

Or a flatline / spotter dps build.

[vestal ibex]

Yeah it really depends on why you are saying "isn't strikers". If that means "I don't wanna stack" OD or HE builds can be good. If that means "I just wanna play something else" there are loads of options. Also you state "good damage" but idk what content you play. If it's solo heroic with directives or maybe it's challenging diff who knows what good damage is in that context.

[light grove]

To be fair, it’s real easy to get tired of strikers…

[vestal ibex]

Yeah, but saying that helps direct people towards other builds.

[modest path]

Can someone suggest a build do get floor 100 summit for farming gear purposes?

[timid rain]

I wanna try something that isnt striker, its kinda boring

[light grove]

Well.. what are you looking for on the build? Just something that isn’t strikers or are you looking to do something in specific?

[onyx sage]

you can only do so many things different on a build that also uses lexington

the only tangible difference is in how fast you kill and how effective you want to be towards certain enemies, the playstyle remains the exact same

[timid rain]

Dps non striker

[onyx sage]

aka you kill faster or slower

[timid rain]

Faster

[onyx sage]

there's none

[timid rain]

Or balanced

[timid rain]

Bruh really?

[onyx sage]

with stacks up striker trumps all

[subtle bluff]

I think saying it's easy to get tried is more not wanting to learn to master and having to try hard to learn it.

[onyx sage]

if you want balanced there's always heartbreaker

[tulip charm]

pgc vigi

go he

[light grove]

You should totally run Vigilance and Glass cannon. Won’t have to worry about that strikers build up

[onyx sage]

I'm running leg with that now

[light grove]

The only way to beat out strikers is to have the damage bonuses up front and the fights short.

[vestal ibex]

Just try OD, depending on your content/scaling you'll do fine.

[timid rain]

Ok

[timid rain]

I'll try that too

[vestal ibex]

headhunter

[onyx sage]

okay bro lexington headhunter

[light grove]

Clearly Lexington with determined.

[vestal ibex]

"my strickers build hits for over 20 mil"

[onyx sage]

striker headhunter tac50 bro

i clear all content just fine with it

[vestal ibex]

Bye razorback.

[onyx sage]

the content: razorback

[light grove]

Who wrote this

[vestal ibex]

A very special individual but I can't name or shame people so yeah...

[onyx sage]

very elite DH runners

[light grove]

The special DH forces huh

[vestal ibex]

Very special...

[light grove]

A crack Team of DH forces. Impressive.

I don’t know if your DH and my DH have the same meaning but hey, you know, whatever works for the task at hand.

[rich lotus]

So I'm playing around with blackfire and it's a crazy smg

need to get a chest with enemy armor dmg and obliterate and I'm good

[modest path]

@quiet arrow

[quiet arrow]

oh just a ar

and a shotgun

used lexington

[bleak sequoia]

is Dread Edict garbage or am I missing something?

[modest path]

i'm sorry, what.

[quiet arrow]

wait guys i already have st elmos engine with coyotes striker. what else should i grind for???

[onyx sage]

do you want to heal? do you want to support? do you like headshotting?

[quiet arrow]

nah

dps

[onyx sage]

that narrows it down a lot, the sheet has more dps guides

if you learn headshots there are builds that clear content a lot faster than striker

[quiet arrow]

like hotshot?

[solar sable]

always has been

[onyx sage]

that and headhunter's fury

[quiet arrow]

alr

[subtle bluff]

With Hotshot it's not bad.

Dread Edict with blue Hotshot is funny.

[bleak sequoia]

ok so you just chain multiple headshots on the same target?

so with hotshot and the DE effect you never reload

so you keep the stacks forever

[subtle bluff]

There is a limit.

You have to reload to get DE buff.

[bleak sequoia]

so if you get rushed you reload and get 100% bonus armor

[subtle bluff]

Blue Hotshot testing for fun.

[tough needle]

How'd yall get the hotshot?

[subtle bluff]

Target loot either in countdown or summit

[tough needle]

Oh yeah I saw that was a reward.

[subtle bluff]

It's not a reward.

[mint axle]

Bro really got the division 1 nomad

[subtle bluff]

Never played div 1

[tough needle]

What weapon type is the hotshot?

[subtle bluff]

Go to the pinned messages on top.
Hotshot is a gear set.

[tough needle]

Ah I see.

[subtle bluff]

My screen shot is fun and not a build to be used unless your meme'ings

[tough needle]

Alright. I'm just curious..

[subtle bluff]

Hotshot build is good just not the way I did it here.

[lime crown]

Good afternoon, everyone. I am new to D2, just hit 40 a while ago and was wondering if there is a good site that I can look at for a build. I am mostly soloing and like using the Drone, AR and Shotgun (for now). Just need to have some direction for a good build around the main map and then one for the DZ.

[subtle bluff]

Pinned Messages. If you're not 40 yet don't worry about it till you get there.

[onyx sage]

he just hit 40 a while ago

[modest path]

what should i got on the secondary atribute on striker, focus chc ou chd?

[subtle bluff]

2nd? Only one attribute slot on gear sets.

[bleak sequoia]

they mean the secondary

CHC to 60 and then CHD is the general advice

unless you have coyotes in which case aim for 50

remember your weapon also gives you CHC. E.g., if you're running a lot of SMGs you need a lot less CHC from gear than ARs. And if you're using ARs some of them come with CHC bonuses like Elmo has 15%

[subtle bluff]

CHC 50-56% then the rest into CHD

[trim wedge]

What y’all think about 4 pc heartbreaker w catharsis n bighorn?

I’m about to try out this 4 pc ongoing directive with Lexington/sadist

Looks fun asf

[steel isle]

Who can give me advice to improve my equipment?

recommendation?

[trim wedge]

A very vague statement, what do you enjoy running ? Or how’s your play-style

[tulip charm]

Farm more gear

[subtle bluff]

Post it.

[steel isle]

this is my set

sorry for the spanish, i speak spanish

and little bit english

[steel isle]

I'm more likely to use assault rifles and snipers, I don't get to move much

I have always been bad at assembling my equipment

On low difficulties I always do well, but I only raise it, and my weapons seem to shoot rubber bands

[plucky dawn]

what difficulties is the limit/ which ones are you having trouble with

[steel isle]

It seems that I have plastic health, they lower my life in an instant, and my weapons seem to shoot rubber bullets

[plucky dawn]

but which difficulty does your build work in?

[steel isle]

normal and difficult

In challenging my equipment is no longer functional and in heroic it is totally useless

not to mention legendary tidal basin

[onyx sage]

legendary is meant to shred you no matter what

the key is to not take damage as much as you can

[plucky dawn]

id say try getting together a gear set. id recommend striker. in the mean time you can replace one of the mask, backpack, cheast and gloves. with another brand if you find a better one

but depending on your playstyle you can search online for other kinds

[steel isle]

well that's true, I've seen titans fall to that level

[plucky dawn]

legendary missions solo is a death wish either way

[onyx sage]

that takes tons of practice and some time to grind good gear, but either way isn't a priority

[steel isle]

I will take it into account, do you recommend something for a medium or long distance game, without moving much?

[onyx sage]

so you will need to move eventually because enemies will flush you out of cover

but mid to long range you can just use striker

[plucky dawn]

sniper striker

[modest path]

i'm using strega on striker (but the build is incomplete, i'm farming it) but if feel strega its not strong, i'm wrong? farming on summit heroic because i cant take challenge

[onyx sage]

hotshot sniper is also good but won't work in some content

[onyx sage]

strega is good but not applicable everywhere

if content isn't dying fast enough for the talent to work then it's just not worth using

[modest path]

yep, what should ?

[steel isle]

Yes, I will have to farm more in the dark zone

[onyx sage]

you don't need to farm in dz

farm in countdown challenging

[plucky dawn]

you can look into NGN one shot sniper build on yt.

[onyx sage]

set targeted loot to striker and farm

read the guides in the spreadsheet pinned here, it has all you need

[steel isle]

okay

[onyx sage]

lexington, elmo, police m4, famas

[modest path]

police m4 and famas then

[steel isle]

i will see it

[plucky dawn]

matchmake and get carried. I did it to get my first striker build slapped together

then got the elmo in a mats weekly project right after

[steel isle]

i will

thanks for the advice

and sorry for bad English

i speak more spanish

[onyx sage]

no worries

[naive bough]

question: does anyone currently running the virtuoso build? if so which gear piece would work nicely with the build? and also which playstyle (is it close/mid/long-range) do you think that's works efficiently with the virtuoso build?

[lime crown]

I am looking for a Hana-U backpack. I see that Coney Island has a the Hana-U under the 'Increased Loot Allocation', but then under 'Targeted Loot' it shows the backpacks in the south side of the map. Would Coney Island be my best chance for the Hana-U backpack or the are that shows the backpack icon?

[hazy steeple]

If you're going for a specific brand: always go for the "brand" over "type".

[lime crown]

I thought so, but wanted to ask. Thank you.

[hazy steeple]

Summit+Countdown also lets you pick your own specific TL (Targeted Loot).

[lime crown]

I am far to new to understand what that is. lol. I've seen Summit, but not Countdown.

[hazy steeple]

Summit being worth it if you stack up lots of Directives, Countdown being good for the sheer quantity of loot.
Either way: make sure you play on Challenging. It only allows enemies to drop gold/gearset/exotic loot.

Overall; Countdown will be faster. Since Matchmaking for it takes about a minute at most.

[lime crown]

Ok. Going to give it a try.

[modest path]

is negev a good LMG for builds? if yes, for which ones?

[iron moat]

what are good builds for beginner endgame i just hit level 40

[gentle lichen]

This is easy to farm and does very competitive damage

I'd suggest switching 2 belstone to palisade and ceska or grupo

All those items can be easily farmed from countdown

[iron moat]

thanks ill try that now

[gentle lichen]

I'm not sure if you got your lvl 40 Lexington but if you did that's your go to AR

[iron moat]

i didnt get one at level 40 how do i do that ?

[rich cosmos]

You don’t, if you weren’t level 40 you can’t get it to level 40

[subtle bluff]

Check pinned message on the top.

[gentle lichen]

That's crazy work

Is the blueprint in descent though?

[onyx sage]

nope

[iron moat]

wow that sucks

[lime crown]

Is it possible to speed up earning the points needed for Specializations? I just feel like it would take a long time to change over to another Specialization.

[rich cosmos]

Level up

Thats all, just keep leveling up

Do open world with directives and harder difficulties

[lime crown]

But the only way to get the points is to do the specific tasks related to that Specialization, correct?

[rich cosmos]

No

[lime crown]

This is what it shows me.

[rich cosmos]

Thats not related to the point system

[lime crown]

Ugh. Just when I feel like I am figuring this game out.

[bleak sequoia]

create a loadout with the specialization and then swap to it before completing an objective (e.g., for public execution, swap before talking to the hostage. For territory control, swap before opening the chest. For resource convoy, swap before touching the dropped resources). There's also a few missions where you have to "do a thing" after you kill the boss where there's no combat and you can swap (e.g., Manning Zoo asks you to pick up an echo after you kill the boss). Also there are supply requisition projects that are completely non-combat and give you SHD level ups. Swap to your specialization before doing those. Doing all this should get you like 50 points in no time at all and then you can earn the rest just by playing the build.

[bleak sequoia]

oh for those notice that there's no difficulty requirement so just lower world difficulty to Normal and blast through them

[lime crown]

That helps a lot. Thank you.

[onyx sage]

these short descriptions lie to you. some of them require hard or above

view the full descriptions at the quartermaster

[trim wedge]

Anything I should change ?

I’m having trouble breaking all basilisks armour without killing

Don’t even have gunner unlocked and I’m level 813 😂

[tulip charm]

Oxi on the lowest the quest will allow

[hexed steppe]

yep, oxi best

[glad heart]

Basilisk is fun... Long ago, I used a D50 to strip his armor (requires you dance around a bit fairly close in) then finished him with a headshot with a 9mm pistol (there are several) after busting his helmet with it. An ar, smg, or shotgun will always kill him before you can strip the armor. Handgun is best bet.

[hot pawn]

Should i try to build towards a standard red dps build or a striker build for a beginner? I tried making a 4pc striker with a ceska chest but omg i keep losing the stacks

[fresh fox]

striker

striker is the standard in 99% of the game right now

[hot pawn]

Gotcha will do just managed to get a st elmo AR and its been the love

[fresh fox]

only in like iron horse is when i recommend using high end

but even then on final you can get easy stacks

[hot pawn]

Well i have no idea what those are i have only been doing countdown lol gotta get this build running to try all that, cant wait!

[obtuse shoal]

Is Lexington better than carabine 7 and if yes how?

[subtle bluff]

Yes it is because of the stats and recoil pattern.

[rich lotus]

PP-Bizon > all other weapons

[tulip charm]

Haha you said pp

[modest path]

what atributes should the st elmos have to striker build?

[patent fossil]

Third stat is the only one that can change, and that should always be dtooc

[modest path]

oh okey

[primal vessel]

cuz of hard wired backpack and chest i have no cooldown for skills
i can throw my seeker
deploy hive
throw seeker again etc.
i can spam skills so no cooldown
but what if i switch to chinese glass cannon vest what is the cooldown going to be

[modest path]

i'm sorry, isnt just fast to trade to it and try out? or im dumb?

[magic pilot]

Switch to glass chest

It's like a 5s cooldown

[rich lotus]

When Rigger buff fr

[magic pilot]

Oh right chest doesn't decrease cooldown

Exact same cooldown with glass but more dmg

[magic pilot]

Needs a whole rework

[primal vessel]

when switching to glass chest it only boost my weapon dmg?

[rich lotus]

and skill

[primal vessel]

and 5 sec cooldown between skills

[light grove]

Honestly, I think rigger just needs to be total skill damage instead of regular skill damage and it can be a competitive gearset

[light grove]

Glass cannon increases All damage done by the agent.

[vestal ibex]

pls read talents yo

[rich lotus]

no

[light grove]

So you might be able to get a bit more damage using glass cannon with china light on chest and replacing your knees with gearset.

[rich lotus]

they should delete rigger and add final measure. Problem solved

[light grove]

No. For the same reason the backpack talent is actually a great talent.

[rich lotus]

😠

I wonder if infinite shock trap still works with rigger

i shall try

would be fun to use in conflict

[modest path]

from the build spreadsheet, the DPS DMG , high end with M1A as main gun, it is as good as a striker dps?

for clearing and bossing?

[vestal ibex]

Striker is a stacking build so keeping your stacks high is the goal.

[light grove]

The classic M1A damage build?

It’s a pretty old build. It can work through most facets of the game and is considered more starter for it all than the absolute top damage.

[modest path]

i'm trying out dif builds, trying something that is DPS non stacking, non sniper also

[vestal ibex]

Well in the context of striker/HB for stacking high ROF guns are best.

[patent fossil]

OD is good at the moment

Also Negotiators, for multi target cases.
Nothing is going to beat striker and hh for pure dps though

[light grove]

Well, High end builds are always going to be a non-stacking option should you choose to go that route. There is a few different variants of talents between guns and armor that will do the same job so.

[vestal ibex]

Build guides you should check out, most of these are linked in the pinned spreadsheet but these will answer 99% of questions.

[mint axle]

Damage Amplification amplifies all the damage output, that includes status damage and explosions.

[magic pilot]

Can go determined on 1886 too

[vestal ibex]

1886 might as well be a sniper now tho

[magic pilot]

Basically but 🤷‍♂️

It's got a chd attribute!

[light grove]

The magazine size increase from that set I still cannot pronounce… it’s still a bit short to add one more to 1886 right?

[magic pilot]

We just call it zoo or Zwia

It adds at least one more iirc

Brings it to 7 I believe

[vestal ibex]

Isn't it 8 already?

[magic pilot]

Idk the builder says 1886 has 5 by default and I'm assuming it's got a +1 chamber slot

I think you are right tho

[vestal ibex]

It's 8.

[vestal ibex]

You clear cache on that thing?

[magic pilot]

Yea idk why it says 5

[light grove]

Ima have to go to the notes and look. I always remembered the 1886 having 5 shots and no one in the chamber so if it did change, I’m behind.

[magic pilot]

I thought it was more

[vestal ibex]

Might not be updated then?

[mint axle]

Mandela effect

[vestal ibex]

It is 100% 8 shots.

[magic pilot]

Probably, I didn't realize the magsize got changed

[magic pilot]

I think so too

[vestal ibex]

It got uber buffed. 8 rounds, crazy reload speed, sniper damage now.

[mint axle]

Was*

[light grove]

From this Shades of Red patch right?

[vestal ibex]

In the current game it's 8 shots.

[magic pilot]

1886 is 9 with zoo

[mint axle]

So the build site is outdated then.

[vestal ibex]

Yeah, but they would ez fix that and are pretty responsive.

[light grove]

8 shots and 40k extra base damage to boot, jeez.

So it’ll always add 1 to the mag and be 10% short for 2

[vestal ibex]

Yeah idk if that's worth it considering the crazy reload speed it has.

[magic pilot]

It's for the 2pc bonus

Magsize is just extra sprinkling

[light grove]

Without a doubt. I was just curious.

need that WD for headhunter

[vestal ibex]

Which is?

[light grove]

It’s 20% rifle damage

[vestal ibex]

Friggin spreadsheet isn't updated lol

[mint axle]

I think the community guys who made it are tired of this game

[light grove]

You wouldn’t be wrong. The only one I’ve seen come back is Raucey and I don’t think he does updates to it.

I used to be on there but I stopped playing for a while.

I could, but I’d be trying to edit a google spreadsheet from my phone, and that’s honestly a pain in the ass.

Last I looked at it, the updates seemed to have stopped for The First Rogue.

[modest path]

OD is good for countdown and raids? and how it do in solo ?

[mint axle]

For countdown yes, in raids this isn't so viable for dmg.

[modest path]

what is good/optimal for raid?

[light tapir]

how the builds are working? i still dont understand this shit and i have the game since 2021 or so

[mint axle]

On discovery almost everything works, on normal is a whole other story.

[magic pilot]

Me and @versed summit do it but I've been out of town

[patent fossil]

Countdown and solo yes, for raids you generally want high end crit or striker

[magic pilot]

The guns are all updated, we just haven't gotten around to the brands and such

[light grove]

Oh..thank you both then. I’d imagine it probably would’ve been a lot more behind if it weren’t for you two huh.

[magic pilot]

I don't know how azur was adding the images tbh I gotta talk to him

Pretty sure he made them

[light grove]

If he was making the images, it means Gingerbread stopped making the images for them.

[mint axle]

Or it's just datamined on the game files but idk.

[versed summit]

guns are very much not updated tbh, I've been reformattiung and correcting all the values elsewhere, and I'll have to paste iot in when I'm finished.

mods are updated though 🙂

[magic pilot]

Ahh gotcha

You just have reload right?

[light grove]

I remember Gingerbread, one of the old users for it, did a tracing of the images. I don’t know what he used for it but he recreated the images for the gear sets and brands then gave them to Azur to place on the spreadsheet.

[magic pilot]

This one definitely not data mined lol

[mint axle]

Didn't say all of it

[light grove]

Oh, he took personal liberties alright

[versed summit]

reload was a bigger thing, but there was stuff I had to fix in most of the columns

[light grove]

And I wouldn’t have it any other way.

[magic pilot]

Nah they look sick

[magic pilot]

Gotcha, if you are free we can work on it this weekend

[versed summit]

should be tbh

[magic pilot]

I don't have any plans, tbh we can put the images to the side for now and at least get the info current

[glossy granite]

I just came back to the game after a while and was wondering is strikers battle gear and st Elmo’s/ ouroboros still the best dps for pve?

[magic pilot]

Ouro yes, if you have Lexington that will be better than Elmo's

[glossy granite]

What is Lexington

[magic pilot]

A named AR

[vestal ibex]

#news-and-announcements message

[trim wedge]

Tip of the spear and pestilence, yt getting wild

[quiet arrow]

guys what gearset is the best for 1 tap sniper

[modest path]

what is he CHD amount to be considered "ok" on striker?

CHC 55% and CHD 69% atm

55% with st elmo, 40% without

only needing to farm the chest piece with full red

[light grove]

It’s alright for the level that you are at for the time being. Once your watch starts kicking up CHD will be higher.

[modest path]

oh okey, any advise you could say on the current situation? (print

[magic pilot]

Hotshot

[light grove]

Not much, you’re on the right track for what you need to do already so.

[modest path]

thanks

[modest path]

is this low armor amount "normal" ?

[vestal ibex]

Full red builds typically have no armor, you are planning on killing everything before it can do you harm.

Player skill, spawn knowledge, and proper use of cover(peaking around cover and not actually using the cover system in 99% of situations) is what keeps you alive.

[modest path]

well, them 2k hours on td1 will help me out or i will cry

[vestal ibex]

Why not both?

[trim wedge]

I have no luck with hotshot

[autumn elbow]

For endgame is there any actual point to tank builds? (Heroic freeroam, Legendary missions/Strongholds, raids , incursions

[trim wedge]

built it exactly as I was told can’t even 1 shot a purple

[magic pilot]

Short answer: no @autumn elbow

[magic pilot]

Should send a pic

[trim wedge]

Old pic but sums it up

[modest path]

wait, really tank build "no good" ?

[trim wedge]

perf HH reg vigi

I run 700 now instead of 44

All rolled headshot dmg 320%

In encounters where it’s a named and all purples I just get tossed around like a toy I tried running nemesis for the 1 shot guarantee to proc determined but then have no gun to save me when gold rushers take determined and don’t get 1 shot then I have to re proc it somehow

[vestal ibex]

You cannot 1 shot everything until you have stacks and you can drop HH stacks pretty easy.

[magic pilot]

Yea 99% of the time they are not needed

Running a sniper build doesn't mean you can just shoot everything one time and be done, you still have to plan what targets you are going to kill and when

Also definitely get a white death

[trim wedge]

I heard white death isn’t better than reg 700

Not true?

[magic pilot]

White death is better now, last patch it was 700

[vestal ibex]

It's close and technically 700 has more damage still.

[magic pilot]

Once you have HH yea

[trim wedge]

Trying to build it where I can use most snipers to get em all proficient

[vestal ibex]

Really it doesn't matter.

[vestal ibex]

Low end damage isn't enough to put you into a new breakpoint tho.

[trim wedge]

Hh stacks quick if you can get the 1 shots going

But the problem is keeping determined once the elites start flying out on heroic

[vestal ibex]

Yeah and knowing enemy health/scaling helps you know who/what you can shoot.

[magic pilot]

Wdym? Why would golds be dropping your determined?

[trim wedge]

Cause most of them don’t get 1 shotted

When moving from room to room or encounter to encounter hh drops within 5 sec it feels like

[kindred mango]

You need to deal 9.8M damage to one shot an elite on heroic solo

[vestal ibex]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQ-OZyQRHd6TskSbeE9tn2jMdn9eLIe9Fsm5CjD7A_EUwUKPdo_VO_ug7aOMdH3hhnw0pE8GGs_LnPl/pubhtml

Normal enemy health pools.

[trim wedge]

I do 20 mil a shot so not sure why I’m struggling

[magic pilot]

Are you sure you aren't dropping vigi? Or maybe you mean bosses? And are you playing solo or in a group

[trim wedge]

Solo

Only build I run when solo

[vestal ibex]

I feel like this is maybe not fully understanding HH/what consumes stacks.

[trim wedge]

So you headshot an enemy boom determined is procd

[magic pilot]

Solo you can basically use any mmr and should be able to hit breakpoints

[vestal ibex]

You are then at half stacks for HH.

[trim wedge]

Headshot another boom hh starts stacking as you continue to headshot each shot does more damage

[vestal ibex]

Yeah so there is what we call 1-2-3 shots of damage for HH. Not swaping weapons can be important too.

[trim wedge]

Kill 4-5 enemies should be able to 1 shot a boss ?

[vestal ibex]

No.

Not always.

[trim wedge]

Hmmm heavies are easy cause 1 tap helmet then 2 tap to head they don’t move much

but others are a struggle could also be controller aim just being aids 😂 but you have so much aim assist

[magic pilot]

Turn off aim assist if you are trying to aim for the head

It pulls down towards center mass

[trim wedge]

Yeah may be where I’m struggling cause on ps it’s heavy

[magic pilot]

When I was on controller I had to turn it off

[vestal ibex]

Just go the the range and see what your 1-2-3 shots are for damage. Then compare that to the enemy health pool I linked and you can see what amount of HH you need to shoot anyone.

[trim wedge]

I just wanna be able to use it effectively so that I can get multiple snipers proficient, much faster than donating for proficiency

[magic pilot]

Also I noticed that in the pic (I know you said it's old) but you don't have a decoy, highly recommend decoy when sniping

Helps keep vigi active

[trim wedge]

Yeah I just run drone to get enemies off me

And revive hive cause solo

Plus drone forces enemies outta cover like drone operators

[magic pilot]

Decoy will be significantly better at keeping enemies off you. And since you are tier 0 it's not doing much dmg

[trim wedge]

Yeah true

I shall try it

[magic pilot]

I use it on basically all of my builds

[trim wedge]

I mostly put down hotshot to build my hunters fury but now it’s good so may switch back to working on it

[magic pilot]

Hunters fury is probably my favorite set

[trim wedge]

Next build is ongoing directive with sadist, looks fun asf

[magic pilot]

There's a "sniper" hunters fury build too

[trim wedge]

I love it now too with vector, cause I haven’t got Ouro yet

Ran it with lady death and hated it 😂

Do you run any blue cores on HF?

[magic pilot]

For crit I run memento so technically 1

[trim wedge]

This is my current state

2 blue

[magic pilot]

I'd swap the chest and run firewall spec

You could keep 2 blue tho

[trim wedge]

To what chest?

[magic pilot]

Ceska chest with intimidate

[trim wedge]

I personally don’t like this chest either but people say it’s “needed” when you only have 1.2 mil armour unbreakable don’t do much 😂

I just run tech for the 25% dmg resist on drone

But drone don’t even stay up for 15 sec so kinda useless

[magic pilot]

Yea firewall shield will be huge

[trim wedge]

I shall try it def loving the change striker getting boring asf

[magic pilot]

100% I feel the same way

[trim wedge]

I’ve always been a AR guy tho so HF forces me to get outta my comfort zone

[magic pilot]

Tbh you can use any gun with hunters fury

Only one I haven't really used is LMG

[trim wedge]

I’ve heard tip of the spear making a comeback for LMG

May just be talk tho haven’t seen any #s or gameplay

[modest path]

i know there is a GS that enchance signature dmg, but it is good? if yes, for what content? i saw one with grenade launcher with almosk 3M dmg

[light grove]

That would be Tip of the Spear.

[modest path]

oh okey

it is good for some type of content? or its "meh"

[light grove]

It’s current iteration? Not as much. The grenade launcher and flamethrower with tip of the spear gets hella use during Hollywood but that’s about it… it’s really hard to stick to your specialization weapon with such limited ammo, even with the 60 second regen.

[modest path]

oh okey, thanks

[hexed steppe]

This is why you guys need mortar builds

[hexed steppe]

Just run demo/mortar/cluster or hive. With event on you would never need tip of the spear. Ton of spec ammo is generated regardless

[late barn]

whats hh again

[patent fossil]

headhunter

[light grove]

You know damn well it’s headhunter.

[late barn]

ah okay

no im being dead serious

[light grove]

Or I’m confusing you with someone else but my fossil brain clicked with the name and I can’t even right now.

[late barn]

i speak here once every 6 months and thats on the fashion channel

[light grove]

Wouldn’t that make you a fossil shark then

[late barn]

it seems it would

[light grove]

I run something similar to this except belstone with double crit and obliterate. Using the M1928 SMG. The damage does get really jacked up

[magic pilot]

Ummm no

[restive vortex]

Is W&H worth it on high end AR DPS build? Im currently rocking coyotes, 1pc grupo, 1 fenris, 1 ceska, foxes and contractors but im thinking of switching to coyotes, 2pc W&H, 1pc grupo, 1pc improvised and foxes. All CHD & CHC

[vestal ibex]

I mean your current setup seems like it might already be a bit funk for CHC cap and idk but the second setup seems a bit odd cause you are basically trading 2 pc brand for less armor damage that you'd get from contractors.

Also the WD you get from 1 pc walker isn't worth much in terms of damage on a full red build anyway.

All my HE AR builds always start with 2-3 pc prov and considering some of the ceska/grupo nerfs it's even better to go 3 pc prov now.

[restive vortex]

Hmm so the weapon damage you get from WH is not worth it?

I feel like contractors is kind of a waste if I’m not using an LMG

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but contractors is only used for the 8% armor damage which in most of the builds it's the only source of armor damage giving you a full 8% increase, although not everything has armor(segmented white bars over health is the only armor in this game).

Also the suggested changes you mention might barely make any difference one way or the other. I haven't seen anyone do the math in this patch to see which is best for what but I'm sure it's a small differnce between some of these setups.

[restive vortex]

Yeah that’s what I’m thinking as well, that in the end the result is gonna be very minimal

[light grove]

I mean, going full red HE most increases are minimal.

Once you have all of the core pieces.

[modest path]

dumb question, what is the biggest dif on striker vs hb?

[light grove]

HB has no ROF increase and gives you bonus armor. Not as much damage as strikers

You’re trading damage for durability.

[modest path]

maybe i will go that way

i'm not that good as glass cannon

[vestal ibex]

There is also the fact that HB has an extra condition on it's stacks, targets must be pulsed(can be done with a headshot but skill proxies don't gain you stacks) there is also the fact that once you are fully stacked with HB you do not get more bonus armor until you loose stacks then regain them. Strikers is just shoot stuff get stacks.

[light grove]

The pulse aspect of HB also kinda leans you into pulse based damage talents so there is some possible synergy there

[vestal ibex]

I just use the LLP and call it a day.

[modest path]

oh okey

are shotgun builds good?

it is worth to recalibrate this for the garantee max status?

and optimize the other one?

[restive vortex]

Nah find a better piece

Then recalibrate

[modest path]

okok

[light grove]

It’ll be easier to find a piece with one maxed roll at least on gearsets

[subtle bluff]

The more correct answer is it's more DPS than Dmg.
HB at 100 stacks give 110% amp vs Striker 100 stacks 90%

[light grove]

I did forget those adjustments from last patch.

[subtle bluff]

Especially if you have lex with LLP it's actually really usable

[desert roost]

nah im level 25 what is this 😭

[subtle bluff]

Get to 40 then worry about it.

[quiet arrow]

guys whats the best talent on a marksman rifle?

[modest path]

recalibration is when you have a part and with a X atribute, but you need/want it with Y atribute, with recal, you can change it, but there are more about it, also library

is this worth optimizin right?

[quiet arrow]

yeah

thats garbage elmos engine no offense bro you gotta optimize it 💀 your going to be a joke in pvp

[modest path]

i don't do pvp

[quiet arrow]

legendary

[modest path]

i'm only 20hrs in , i'm farming stuff for the optimizing and the best gear for striker

[mint axle]

Yes, you need to treat the library like you treat your "calopsita" fill it with good stuff and everybody is happy

[patent fossil]

that 4% WD gonna make all the difference on a red build
It's near god rolled though otherwise so better to optimise the one stat than try to reconfigure the whole thing

[solar sable]

Elmo's is no garbage, it's just not as good as Lexi. Elmo's was never a #1 weapon.

[modest path]

yes, thanks guys

[quiet arrow]

the roll is mid as hell tho

[mint axle]

Well, Lexi wasn't a thing like one year ago

[quiet arrow]

elmos is better than lexington ngl

[solar sable]

ok, and? Still great to have it as a new player.

[modest path]

what would be better then st elmo ? (not counting lexingon)

[solar sable]

and I agree

[quiet arrow]

pestilince

[mint axle]

Shield splinter at lvl 40

[quiet arrow]

bro im not trying to start beef like i know its still good 💀

[patent fossil]

all of 2.5 optimisations away from a god roll, I mean it actually has DTOOC!

[modest path]

i have three calopsita(which mean cockatiel), they are well feed and fly around my bedroom every day i let them out

[modest path]

that is not good on striker

[quiet arrow]

i run it on striker. what else would you run it on??

[quiet arrow]

strongly dissagree

[subtle bluff]

Wtf. It's fine. It just need to optimize a bit.

[quiet arrow]

13 percent is awesome

[solar sable]

Me neither, just saying it's not garbage as you tried to say back a few messages

[mint axle]

Who says he is aiming to play pvp?

[subtle bluff]

Only 2 off max it's not that bad at all. Having DTTOOC is more important

[patent fossil]

pesti doesn't have the best synergy with striker since striker amplified damage doesn't buff pesti ticks

[quiet arrow]

tf you mean

[solar sable]

"you're gonna be a joke in pvp"

[subtle bluff]

I normally don't this but you're giving shit to a prefect good Elmo when you're asking what's the best talent on MMR....

[patent fossil]

should probably move this chat back to useful advice before people start getting upset, the OP got their answer

[quiet arrow]

yeah beacuase i want to switch to a mmr build

i already have a strikers build

[solar sable]

Look, you just don't mention Elmo's as a trash weapon and that's it
There are better AR's, yes, but that doesn't mean you can instantly trash a gun that's been recommended for newbies or even leg experienced, they used it back before Lexi was a thing

[quiet arrow]

i said the roll is trash

[modest path]

why this is better? can you explain please

[solar sable]

whatever...

[mint axle]

It has perfect optimism

[solar sable]

It amplifies DMG when the mag is getting emptier/depending on how many rounds are being left on the mag or sum like that

[subtle bluff]

Imo not better in some sense it is better but other it isn't. It's another choice.

[onyx sage]

small correction: it's not amp

[solar sable]

oh

[tulip charm]

Wep damage

[modest path]

okey

[subtle bluff]

It's also an exotic.. So a trash roll would be bad rolls on top of not DTTooC would be trash.

[quiet arrow]

tf is dttooc

[onyx sage]

damage to target out of cover

[quiet arrow]

alr im gonna go thanks for the definiton though

[autumn elbow]

Quick question for FI build, At what % of repair skills do i focus on skill haste?

Chem ally repair: 1,238,066
Ammo cooldown: 16.7s
Hive healing: 361,080
Refill speed: 1s

Skill tier 6, and all the other stuff just looking to see if i have "Over" dumped into repair skills and need more haste or vice versa

If any other relevant info is needed lemme know, looking for concrete answers plz and thanks

[tough needle]

Looking for a build that maximizes elite damage and poping the bleed effect. Any ideas?

[hexed steppe]

You'll probably be able to run less repair skills. I would look at the armor level of your team and shift between repair and haste to fine tune the build

[dreamy valve]

You won’t need additional repair skills if you’re using heal chem, stack up on skill haste

[tulip charm]

Pretty much repair skill on the gearset is more than enough

[tulip charm]

Ongoing Directive

Good damage can proc bleed but do not spec into bleed damage.

It sucks with no real benefit.

[subtle bluff]

I did the math for this awhile I believe it was like all but 3 skill repair than 3 being haste mods.
Of course you'll always heal more on FI if people are close to the healer.
Name of the game is being effective with your amount of heals and not doing too much over heals.

This skill repair is base off of:
4pc FI+chest
The Setup
BTSU gloves.

[subtle bluff]

It's not that is sucks just that tick time is like a few seconds which is easily done by another bullets.

[tough needle]

Ain't looking for increased bleed damage. I'm looking for a build that boosts elite damage with the added benefit of procing bleed. I just need the bleed effect to proc whilst having increased base elite damage. It's for the firewall specialization research quest

[subtle bluff]

I mean I guess it sucks. If I put it that way.

[subtle bluff]

It's not worth trying to increase the bleed vs using a good build with OD and Sadist.

[tough needle]

Od?

[subtle bluff]

Ongoing Directive.

Wait what how are you getting a bleed then?

[tough needle]

A sadist gun and I have a chest piece with perfect trauma

[onyx sage]

there isn't anything that boosts elite damage anymore btw

damage to elite is gone

you just increase your damage normally

[subtle bluff]

Get OD Gear set you'll do more dmg vs that.
If you look into the Pinned Messages you'll see a list of builds.

[tough needle]

Thanks.

[magic pilot]

once you can repair a full red build, roughly 980k armor