td2-build-advice

[magic pilot]

Better than coyotes/ceska chest/striker bp

[onyx sage]

but if you go obli vigi your measured loses value...

[molten thorn]

and bag chest is only better if you can actually get up to and stay around 200 stacks, no?

[hexed steppe]

ofc

[molten thorn]

like what number of stacks does bag/chest beat obliterate?

[hexed steppe]

oblit took a hit as well with the rebalance. im not 100 on specific #'s but i think chest and bag beats glas vig in like the 180 range... itll be less for oblit

[molten thorn]

obliterate is 1%/stack max 20 stacks. so 100 striker stacks and 20 obliterate stacks is like 110% boost?

[hexed steppe]

bag also took a hit in rebalance

[molten thorn]

another one?

[hexed steppe]

no, just the 1

afaik

[molten thorn]

it's 0.9% and 100 stacks

i can just look I have the game launched >.>

yeah it's 0.9%x100 stacks so at max it's 90% boost, plus 20 for obliterate

[hexed steppe]

there is a breakdown if you want more specific answer. i dont have the specifics.

[molten thorn]

it's fine the only time it affects me personally is in the incursion and I swap to chest/bp for that

[magic pilot]

Killer

[onyx sage]

i pretend it doesn't exist

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[hexed steppe]

https://youtu.be/zlMPJp6XpnE?si=k246OMs_x1sQXKpv for reference, i wish i had better answers , but maths arent my thing 😅

[hexed steppe]

i think ill try strikers with flatline p. spotter ceska vig, been a while since i messed with either... only took 70 crafts for this beauty

[warm knot]

At least you can craft that.

Me still looking for a backbone -> 🤡

[hexed steppe]

in the range it isnt too bad tbh. im running a little lower chc, and letting retribution fill in.

[tulip charm]

Just get luckier

[pearl oar]

I don't think this one requires any context

[fresh fox]

125 stacks

the glass/vigi variant is only 10% lower than chest + bag

but of course needs pgc

striker c+b (180%) > striker pgc vigi (~170% [168.125%]) > striker obliterate bag (~137% [137.5%])

striker c+b needs 125 stacks to beat obliterate + striker bag

striker c+b needs 190 stacks to beat striker + vigi + pgc

something like that

[subtle bluff]

May as well go HB imo only need 50 stacks to get to 60% dmg

I swear this is gonna make actually make a write up for this.

Since you are somewhat new, what weapons are you using with these strikers builds?

[tulip charm]

I know pgc and vigi is really strong but first time i heard about groupo vigi

[tulip charm]

Old post of his was elmo and named mp5 st not sure now

[bleak sequoia]

What's a poor man's hotshot-determined if I don't have Chainkiller? Just any old Arialdi chest and backpack recal to Headhunter and Vigilance?

[tulip charm]

Ig? But you can easily farm a chainkiller

[bleak sequoia]

wait, how

[tulip charm]

Countdown

[bleak sequoia]

which target loot?

[tulip charm]

Walker

[bleak sequoia]

ah it has a good drop rate for the brand? didn't know that. ok will try that

thanks

[subtle bluff]

it can be Providence, Arialdi or Habsburg (This is the rare one that we all look for)

[vivid heron]

MY MAN I GOTCHU

[raven island]

just got back to playing the game again and i saw something somewhere that pestilence is now good? or did i fall prey to a meme? didnt see any build with it in the excel sheet

[tulip charm]

Its good

Can be used in any dps build but its best build is High End

[raven island]

oh ok so its nothing new that enable it just a normal high end build?

i assumed it was some new thing that made it good all of a sudden

[tulip charm]

Nah m249 got pretty insane buffs so pesti got those buffs

so now probably the best lmg atm

[raven island]

i assume u change to like the weapon damage brand set and stuff? or is it still crit build as before? havent played since countdown was new

[tulip charm]

Its better to go crit unless you want a meme tick build.

[raven island]

ah ok thanks any new exotic gear or just full high end red?

[low narwhal]

coyote mask/centurion scabbard are good choices if you want

[tulip charm]

No centurion is not good with pesti

[raven island]

oh yea u can change one of the stats on exotics now right it has damage to armor currently worth changing?

[tulip charm]

Well upto you

lmgs best attribute is:
Chc > Rof > DtA imo

[patent fossil]

Pesti is a special case though since tick damage are not influenced by chd

I would have thought centi scabbard was a good choice since weapon damage and rof buff tick size and speed of stacking

(I'm not an expert though)

[tulip charm]

No with centurion you want to be switching all the time for the buff

But if you swap with pesti you lose the ticks you built up

[shy willow]

What buffs and stats actually work with pesti ticks

[tulip charm]

All of the no?

oh the wd

everything else is the gun

[patent fossil]

Ah of course, fair enough.

[shy willow]

Ah so exclusively wd

I remember seeing a convo a whole back where somebody said DTA and dttooc applied

[tulip charm]

oh no

[patent fossil]

I think twd as well as wd

[tulip charm]

Pretty much amps wd twd dta dttoc

[raven island]

no centurion change dta on the gun to chc did i get that correctly

[tulip charm]

Thought you meant the holster only

what

[tulip charm]

No

[raven island]

what part did i get wrong?

[shy willow]

DTA is comparatively situational to rof and chc

Speaking of pesti would the ideal build for it still use lengmo

[hexed steppe]

its actually pretty good on striker. also, wouldnt it just be better to run the hb chest instead of spotter on an hb setup?
not a fan of hb, tbh, im not really a fan of striker either since nego is in my blood at this point. one cant argue with strikers single target damage tho 👴

[tulip charm]

yeah

pretty cancer to farm for it

[raven island]

what a lengmo?

[tulip charm]

brand set

bis for pesti

[raven island]

oh so i should get that you go for 3 part or?

[shy willow]

Fortunately I have some good shit I can repurpose from my PvP build

[tulip charm]

Its pretty easy for pvp

But getting double crit to reroll the armor is annoying

😭

[shy willow]

Least it's not habs

[tulip charm]

A normal highend will suffice.

[tulip charm]

tell me about it

[raven island]

i have that already might aswell go for an upgrade then no?

[tulip charm]

sure

It drops as blue so you need to be pretty lucky for double crit

Also be in the lookout for backbone.

[raven island]

ok, so is it 3x lengmo you want ?

[subtle bluff]

Well the thought would shorter engagement make HBnot bad since you don't need to get all the stacks.

[tulip charm]

Yeah that 30% lmg damage is sole reason we use it.

[subtle bluff]

You want all the Weapon Dmg and LMG DMG for Pest

[hexed steppe]

ill look into it tho. its solid reasoning when they are essentially 5% apart on damage. i havent used since the season it released😅

[shy willow]

Heartbreaker is pretty good

Can't beat striker for ease of use though

[subtle bluff]

Strikers need 100 stacks to get to 65% but also has ROF
HB needs 50 stacks to get to 60% but doesn't have ROF and has WD AR/LMG

[hexed steppe]

yeah, its worth testing with actual usage since its been a minute

ive also been running lower crit chance and letting retribution bump it to max. like 45ish chc range

[subtle bluff]

If you want running a Intimated also work with HB well.

[normal badger]

Hi guys, after a couple of years (yes you heared right) i started to play again.
Am trying to go for a SMG-LMG build. Currently my gear is Coyote mask, two pieces from Heartbreaker and the rest is petrov.
Mods are weapon damage. What's your guessing? Open for suggestions. 🙂
Happy holidays by the way. 🙂 🍻

edit: Weapens are AK47 Black Market and Hellfire

[light grove]

Id probably go all the way with heartbreaker and replace 2 of your Petrov pieces.

[normal badger]

Wil give it a shot. Thanks mate. 😉

[subtle bluff]

In the Pinned Message there's a few builds in there.
HB is good if you're able to keep them pulse one way or another or going strikers.
Countdown and Summit is where your gonna be able to target your loot.

[normal badger]

I'll check. Thanks much appreciated. 😉

[bleak sequoia]

do Striker stacks improve weapon handling? I know it's not in the description but I swear my dude reloads faster at full stacks

[ebon sapphire]

It gives you 15% weapon handling with just 2 pieces. No need stacks

[bleak sequoia]

yeah that must be what I'm feeling. 15% is a lot.

[light grove]

@hexed steppe @onyx sage when you guys do HH HF with a shotgun, is it normally with full WD on all pieces?

[onyx sage]

yes

[light grove]

Mainly for headhunter benefit right?

[onyx sage]

mostly because there's little benefit in running something else, though you can run armor because m870 does so much anyway

[gentle lichen]

HH on shotguns is already way too busted

But you need to be in their face if you wanna get most value from it

[onyx sage]

idk if skyfire has learned melee baiting yet... if not i'm willing to show hehe

[light grove]

Melee baiting is my jam.

[onyx sage]

hehehehe

[light grove]

I’ve done that since clutch berserk days.

[onyx sage]

i was originally a resident evil gamer. it feels just at home to me

[light grove]

once they released gear 2.0 it was the only safe and reliable way to deal damage with a shotgun.

Then they did the rework and HF release and here we are.

[gentle lichen]

This is where my pvp strafing shines in pve lol

Cut strafe in their face and back off

Watch them swing the air

Locks them in an animation which makes them super predictable

[onyx sage]

yep, especially their head

[versed summit]

It’s like 2% better iirc, but that’s until you lose vigilance. So more up front but less consistent I’d think.

[light grove]

This is definitely the idea though, and doing it with Memento + HH first to see how it’s like.

I’m trying to come up with a gear combination that will assist with this and make it tankier without losing one shot capability. Kinda of like how doing it with CHD and weapon cores doesn’t really change the shell count needed to take down an elite or a veteran.

Brazen’s existence really helps shotguns out here.

[sullen sun]

What are your guys thoughts on this? https://youtu.be/_Gyp7MVCTjo?si=ZtgzStsBNE8-pE-w

Also is this a viable PvP build? I’ve never used the BF

[low narwhal]

i dont play pvp but no armor core w glass cannon in pvp screams to me that you will be wiped before even ADSing xD

And i dont think striker is good for PvP, coz you dont have time to build up 100 stacks

You want upfront dmg

and backfire also not good without armor cores

but HazPro is a good choice

actually maybe since you have BP and chest talents, striker is alright in this case. could maybe use like vigilance and obliterate/glass cannon w armor cores

[gentle lichen]

it is but absolutely not that setup lol

[gentle lichen]

depends on pistol or ar or sniper and stay far away you good

but on smg? good luck

[rotund heron]

What’s the best weapons and where to farm them?

[low narwhal]

Its more about the build than the weapon. Yes weapon make a difference, but build does hugely

but for AR, i'd say lexington, FAMAS w killer talent

any specific weapon type?

[drowsy lion]

should i use 4p strikers with vigilance backpack or 4p striker with obliterate chest?

[patent fossil]

Why not both?

[bleak sequoia]

probably depends on how good you are at not taking any damage right? I get dinged all the time because I'm a bad player so I stick with striker's BP

[trim wedge]

Vigi on a striker build ? Hmmm 🤔

I love being a face tank 😂

[patent fossil]

Technically the highest dps build atm that doesn't require full striker chest stacks is to run it with pgc and vigilance, since the backpack nerf. Definitely encourages not getting shot though

[mint axle]

And iirc you don't lose vigilance if your shield gets hit instead of you.

[trim wedge]

I’ve got to switch my striker mask to coyote and switch fox’s prayer to striker holster cause the rifle buff off foxs is doing nothing for me so I imagine coyotes would be the better trade off

[patent fossil]

Correct

[trim wedge]

But I also run striker bp and chest with blue cores for more survival and it adds extra stack damage would yall recommend switching those out for anything better ?

[patent fossil]

Depends how willing you are to practice the 'don't get shot' gameplay skills that are required to run a max dps build effectively

[trim wedge]

Yeah not getting shot wouldn’t work for me really, as I mostly play solo. Or with a few friends that don’t play as much to help them gear up

[patent fossil]

People (dien) can and have soloed legendary strongholds with glass cannon and vigilance, no shield or revive hive

[bleak sequoia]

I'm never going to get that good, not even going to think about it

no amount of gear will get me to that level

[patent fossil]

So it's definitely possible, the skills are in positioning and target prioritisation

[trim wedge]

Hotshot + solo legendary very doable rn

[patent fossil]

And battlefield awareness

[trim wedge]

Hopefully they leave it alone

[tulip charm]

I dont they need to fix determined

[trim wedge]

Got my hotshot build all farmed up in about 3-4 hours and got 50 levels off running cp back 2 back in 1 day 😂 it feels like having cheats

Just can’t be assed to farm up the gift so I run airialdi with reg vigi

[patent fossil]

Airaldi better for hh anyway

[drowsy lion]

whats the best overall solo build then?

rn im using st elmo with 4p striker, coyote, and ceska gloves

[tulip charm]

That but not running striker chest

[drowsy lion]

so swap for striker gloves ceska chest

[tulip charm]

Yeah

Also memento is good

[patent fossil]

Best is subjective but most don't run the striker chest when solo since you rarely manage to build max stacks

[trim wedge]

That’s very true

[drowsy lion]

so what would be better?

[patent fossil]

Ceska obliterate is the usual approach

glass cannon if you want to practice not getting shot

[drowsy lion]

whats a build that i can use if i do get shot here and there

[trim wedge]

Would this still be viable with 2 blue cores ?

I love my 1.1 mil armour

[patent fossil]

Obliterate is fine, memento will give you armour regen if you want survivability

A shield gives way more survivability than a few armour cores too

[trim wedge]

I use both

[patent fossil]

Eagle bearer if you really want to face tank with striker

[trim wedge]

Shield and 2 cores, helps me survive but as you said solo I struggle building stacks

And keeping them built

Rn I’m working on getting Lexington full expertise

A fun “new” gun

[drowsy lion]

so obliterate ceska chest and if that doesnt work well for me try out memento

[patent fossil]

You can do both

[trim wedge]

Now that hotshot is done pestilence/ armour regen build next, crap looks toxic maybe I’ll be able to actually farm DZ without getting gang banged

[drowsy lion]

havent played in a while. copuntdown still the best way to farm gear?

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[hexed steppe]

i use memento on a highend pistol hh build. it should work fine hhhf, it just needs some ramp time. once stacked mem is really nice for shield+arti combo as both scale up quite a bit (mem+tech+cardoor/artificer). im guessing youll probably be in firewall for the amp shield so probably no artificer, but shield should scale up nicely. 🍻

[light grove]

I don’t know actually. I will need to see what the damage looks like with and without the striker shield. Have to figure out how close I can cut it with and without the striker shield. There is definitely a lot of testing that has to be done to figure out the one shot threshold.

One thing this season event showed me though… enough weapon handling actually does choke the spread of the M870.. which I wasn’t expecting to be possible… I wish it didn’t need that much but it did.

Also, Jeez, am I really that predictable?

[normal badger]

Changed to four parts of heartbreaker, coyotes nask and one part petrov. Way smoother atm and dmg output increased. But need to roll to crit chance. Atm it is 110% crit dmg but only 15% crit chance...

[subtle bluff]

Specifically accuracy is what tighten up the spread. Weapon handling just does everything.

[low narwhal]

I rather have 50% CHC w 50% CHD, than 110% CHD

coz atleast i will consistently hit more crit shots, then once in a blue moon

and wdym hellfire gun? is that bullet king?

Also i kinda dont recommend AKM. Better to use Lexington. I find LMG such as M249 works bettter since you can shoot for longer and its high rpm means you can also build stacks quicker

I find AR reloading affects stack building compared to using LMG

since you can shoot for longer, so you have more stacks built up. And then reload, and then you can probably max your stacks soon enough

[subtle bluff]

M4 with laser pointer works great.

[uncut whale]

Hey, little question, i'm running a striker build with memento and a zwiadoka, full CHD mods, retribution activated, my dps seems better with Elmo than with the Lexi, am i doing something wrong?

[low narwhal]

do you use striker chest?

[uncut whale]

nope, zwiadoka chest with obliterate

[low narwhal]

what talent on Lexi?

[uncut whale]

killer

[low narwhal]

whats your CHC like? and what kinda mods do you have on Lexi?

[normal badger]

That's why I need to reroll some items to get it more balanced between crit chance and crit dmg.

[low narwhal]

yaa i reread that you plan to do that. my bad. But also my two cents ^

[normal badger]

Will give it a shot as well. Thanks for the advice. 😉

[uncut whale]

my base CHC is like 20%, my CHD is 120%

with retribution, it up the CHC to 60% (but not all the time)

[normal badger]

Any advice is appreciated... 😉

[low narwhal]

Any gun w higher rpm than AKM. Yes AKM has high base dmg, but you want high rpm so you can also build up stacks

[low narwhal]

what mods on lexi?

chd aswell?

maybe there is a variation in CHC/CHD when you switch from st elmo to lexi, which is why St elmo having higher DPS

Since St Elmo can have both CHC and CHD, whereas Lexi can only have one i think

it can have a mix, but it will be slightly lower i guess

[light grove]

Without a doubt. It’s just surprising we need so much of it just to get a choke similar to the Double Barrel.

[uncut whale]

+15 ammo, +30 precision, +10% CHD, +50% scope

i said shit, i'm base 10% CHC, 113% CHD with Lexi, 33% CHC, 118% CHD with Elmo

[low narwhal]

That’s probably why

23% more chance to hit crits is why you have higher dps w st Elmo

[subtle bluff]

Not right Lex does more DPS. Elmo is much easier to make an optimize build because of it's CHC CHD mods.

Purely because of base dmg. But if the build optimize then ya...

[low narwhal]

Yaa I know. But he is wondering why his St Elmo is doing more dmg than his Lexington

Which is why I thought the CHC difference might be affecting it

[uncut whale]

if i manage to bring some CHC, i'm gonna loose a lot of CHD

[low narwhal]

Yhh but you will probably higher dps due to Lexington base dmg. Also why do you have those mods for Lexington?

Why not retrofit w just CHC/CHD mods?

And extended mag

[uncut whale]

Because the game doesn't want to give with the schemes 😄

[subtle bluff]

If you don't Crit you won't do CHD simple %

[uncut whale]

i'm spamming control points for two weeks and no weapon mods

[low narwhal]

Ahh damn🥲 those CHC/CHD mods would make a lot of difference tbh

[low narwhal]

Keep spamming I guess and pray for a mod blueprint before you take over each CP😂

[subtle bluff]

Heroic or Challenging?

[low narwhal]

This tru also^

[uncut whale]

In Heroic

[low narwhal]

No point maxing CHD coz it won’t be effective without enough CHC

[subtle bluff]

Have you gone and just check you crafting bench to see if you got any?

[uncut whale]

I'm questioning myself about the use of Retribution, does it make a big diff ? or i have to build on my side 50% CHC

[subtle bluff]

I'm not a big modifiers guy so someone else is gonna have to answer that one.

[low narwhal]

Can’t lie I haven’t made any builds customised to modifiers purely because it’s gonna change next season 😂

I would only really stress about modifiers like as the last thing to worry about. Coz they could remove it next season or change it up and you have to remake your build

[uncut whale]

ye ok

[subtle bluff]

But a simple fact for a weapon base DPS the closer to CHC cap (60%) you get to the more DPS you will output.

[low narwhal]

But it’s good to try out if you want but you have to hope somebody else w knowledge in this will help you out 🙂

[uncut whale]

yup, not so easy to adapt since there is a lot of builds and game knowledge to know, following some youtubers and it's like 2 or 3 new good builds per week

[low narwhal]

I advise using the pinned spreadsheet

Instead of YouTube. YouTubers are known to make ‘builds’ just for views

Even if they aren’t optimal.

Unless it’s for modifiers. Don’t think spreadsheet includes that as of now

[uncut whale]

Problem with youtubers is the big difference of parangon & expertise with me, they can give a build telling you no expertise needed but they are all maxed out

[solar sable]

hotshot is a bypass to any modifier

if I'm not mistaken

[subtle bluff]

You don't need expertise to be good.

[uncut whale]

when you have expertise lvl 20 on your equipment, you don't build the same than when you're 5

[subtle bluff]

uh..

[uncut whale]

if i go all weapon damage like everyones shows it, yeah sure, i have only 1M armor, i make some damage, i receive a lot too

[subtle bluff]

Heroic you should be able to do it all without any exp.

[uncut whale]

i'm doing heroic fine, no problem at all, farming all the content except raids & incursion but that will come

[subtle bluff]

You don't need armor if everything is dead already is the idea. Do not stress about exp on your gear yet. Yes level up your exp but no need to do.

[onyx sage]

i personally run accu mods on m870

[light grove]

Right now I’m messing with HSD where I can.. accuracy will probably be the play for the underbarrel…

When you’re not on event does it choke the spread slightly?

[onyx sage]

yes

and in my experience tbh, more hsd does help but it doesn't help that much for me. pre-patch i would've taken reload speed and weapon handling mods but now that the accuracy from mods were buffed to smithereens i felt the difference almost immediately when trying to land all pellets

[strong cave]

@subtle bluff just now seeing your guys' feedback on my weird ass striker healer build. Honestly, memento wouldn't be a bad route. Also, thanks for pointing out I have too many yellow cores 😂 I didn't even notice that. I meant for 1 red core but may have forgotten to include it. I chose BTSU for team overclock. I can overclock myself with mechanical animal if needed. I chose pesti mostly for the fact that you can just mark people and they'll essentially take damage. Was hoping the weapon damage you get from strikers makes pestilence tick stronger but damn guess that's not the case 😭 if anything id just slot on iron lung instead

My goal with this build is to sit in cover and shoot heals where needed while also at least having weapon damage?

Weird idea I got while playing the story from level 1 with my loved one. Somebody joined us and we got the level balancing. Weapon damage increased exponentially. How would that work on a healer striker? And here we are on this quest to find out 😂

[hexed steppe]

the ranged npcs can mess up your damage. usually a non issue if full stacked but if youre still ramping damage up its possible not to oneshot if there is a range mismatch between you and npc

[hexed steppe]

if using the modifiers drawback is probably gonna be really good for this. youll be hitting 150% hsd on the build to maximize headhunter. draw back gives half of that as handling when npc is close range. 75% handling +whatever you add on the build is gonna be pretty nuts 💯

[hexed steppe]

ive been dropping my crit chance a little to take advantage of retribution. it can give up to 50% but i wouldnt run too low on chance because there will be times when it isnt gonna cover the gap. also not using coyote where i normally would for the same reason, if retribution is filling the gap, its better to have more crit damage or dta/dttooc from contractors/foxs.
45% been a good spot for the couple builds i set like this. 30 mid range hits has you maxed out on chance , another 140hit till youre back below chance cap.
ymmv, but worth exploring to find your preferred setup.

retribution also handy for skill builds, gives cap some teeth on a build that normally has little to no chance specced

although, keeping your ar in the 45% chc range so you have at least ok crit while you ramp doesnt stop you from running a secondary like m1a classic/cqb and dumping all chd mods into it. it wont take much to max it and you can swap to rifle when stacked and get good damage while slowing how fast retribution is being spent (also based on shots).

[light grove]

That and Liability. Chungas just fall flat.

[solar sable]

I'm saving this in the "not sure" file

[light grove]

Woof. You Mouse and Keyboard users have it easier with HH on shotguns 😞

It’s definitely harder to abuse the shield without vanguard… probably why you use tech and artificer over striker.

Or just HH HF free roaming

At max stack before headshot damage a full HH doing 4 mil a pellet is a fun sight though, elites on both legendary and 4m heroic just drop dead, no questions.

[feral shale]

I need help with builds cant decide what to play

I want a run and gun build that melts elites in heroic

[light grove]

What weapon do you intend to do this with? Are you ok with using a crusader shield?

[feral shale]

I mean can it work without the shield? Or will i die?

Any weapon that is good, im using st elmo with strike and memento but im not melting any elites

[light grove]

Well, strikers and memento need build up so you’re definitely not going to be melting right away and you do have to do some rebuilding every fight.

Memento I think is holding you back since you’re not really running around picking up trophies actively.

if you did it with let’s say…. Hunters fury, you have to be close for it to work anyways, and you’re probably going to pick up trophies constantly.

But.. with strikers? Could use the backpack from the gearset or a high end with a damage talent like vigilance or composure.

[onyx sage]

i don't even use the shield on HHF nowadays...

[low narwhal]

i suggest 4 piece HB, 1 centurion scabbard, 1 ceska backpack w Vigilance, all optimised for CHC/CHD. So long you can keep bonus armor regenerating, vigilance will be safe. And so your enemies will die

And use PFE also. Helps against elites xD

[light grove]

I can imagine considering your experiences. I just enjoy using a shield.

[polar condor]

i'm currently trying a run and gun build using the eagle bearer combined with striker and a bloodsucker backpack. (still farming for the liquid engineer with perfect bloodsucker) it's a highly aggressive cqc build. the eagle bearer talent keeps me invincible after headshot kills and the bloodsucker backpack's bonus armor acts as a compensator in case i can't get the kills quick enough, especially while stacking up in the beginning of a fight. running it with 5 red and 1 blue core and the striker chest and works fairly well.

as you can just mow down enemies from closest distances it's pretty good in stacking up the striker chest, too

edit: after some testing, using a cheska obliterate chest in combination with the liquid engineer works best. i'm running it with 6 red and it shreds and allows being very aggressive defense wise (on heroic) while dealing decent damage.

[uneven igloo]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwVgtAzAnG4EyTARjsMAGDXM+9gXCEmGpghMnBbjXjYRaWOZQre3fsGk23fx3RdwvAWPZcA7CVjNx8nPmKYIANmTBpSYDG0AOZCEH44IGFvTTpcdaunGU6zCHsKMhfFuJJB70yQRQcSA
Is this build good to go in 1v1 and 2v1 situations? Dark zone and conflict?

[low narwhal]

dont think decoy will be a good choice xD

[uneven igloo]

What would else do better then

[low narwhal]

maybe explosive mine? im not sure. I just thought decoy would be easy to recognise

[light grove]

Decoy is pretty cool if chicken dancing didn’t exist.

[uneven igloo]

Placing decoy sometimes makes your enemy surprise slightly(or atleast that's what i believe), plus it's kinda nervous when you see a player running towards you with no nameplate

[low narwhal]

the decoy moves?

or im misunderstanding lol

[uneven igloo]

uh, so imagine you're placing your decoy somewhere around the corner, and then you come out of the angle where enemy wouldn't expect you to come

[low narwhal]

ahh i see! xD quite confusing to play xD

momentarily

[trim wedge]

From my experience tho no decent player will get confused by a decoy, trust me I’ve tried to use it to survive multiple times 😂

Explosive mine staggers them allowing you to escape

[gentle lichen]

Bread and butter of pvp
Without it you can't really make any outplays on an enemy shooting you unexpectedly for example

Though i agree moving around too much on a regen as well can get tedious

That's why foam's a thing though

[uneven igloo]

Pretty sure that's counterable by just rolling around to not get stagger.

Plus that's the reason why i have foam.

[trim wedge]

Or shooting it

but anything is counterable tbf

[uneven igloo]

Why would you ever shoot mine lmao, that's just losing a fight already

unless you're in conflict where walls are everywhere

[trim wedge]

i shoot mines just fine if I create distance and the mine is still following me

But you’re def right I lost a lot of fights 😂

[uneven igloo]

Isn't it would better if you just let yourself touch the edge of reaching range of mine just to let it stop at place, so you could roll out safely without getting any dmg?

[trim wedge]

everyone level 10,000 these days, DZ don’t discriminate

[uneven igloo]

I'm SHD lvl 1229 ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[trim wedge]

Yeah kinda a spur of the moment thing

[uneven igloo]

Hop on #td2-general-chat

[normal badger]

Need to collect more mats to reroll everything. Atm I'm on 30% Crit. Chance and 95% Crit DMG. Swapped to Lexington and M249. What can I say, noticeable change. 😉
But I miss the reload perk from Hell fire. 😄

[low narwhal]

tf is hellfire XD

[low narwhal]

solar farm should give you the matts

running and capturing those CP

[normal badger]

I guess it is the Bullet King. In german it is named "Höllenfeuer" translated Hellfire. 🙂

[low narwhal]

ahhh i see!

[normal badger]

But the difference is huge. 😉

Can play way more agressive...

[low narwhal]

Yes M249 is very good this season!

I use MK46 variant, w extended mag and centurion scabbard. it gives me 200 LMG ammo xD

good for stack building

[normal badger]

Will give it a shot as well.

[normal badger]

Used the MK60 a long time, was my favourite till bullet king...

[low narwhal]

you mean M60?

[normal badger]

Appologies, yes, M60. 🙂

[low narwhal]

ahh yess it has high base dmg, but not fast rpm, which is why i never used it much. But it is good gun for when you dont need rpm to help build stacks

[feral shale]

Ill try that, what signature wep do i use? And where do i get PFE from?

[low narwhal]

Signature weapon has to be Technician if you using HB

PFE idk.. it just drops lol xD

just gotta keep an eye out for it

PFE = Protection from elites gear mods

helps reduce dmg against yellow enemies

[feral shale]

Okay gonna try that build, what wep u recommend me using?

[low narwhal]

I use M249 LMG (MK46 variant) w flatline talent and Vector (long rail) w flatline

LMG to build stacks to max and then usually vector has enough rpm to keep up the stacks and at max stacks, it can do one mag red/purple and maybe even yellow too

you can play around w centurion scabbard for the extended mag also.

[feral shale]

Okay, can i use pestilence?

[low narwhal]

no because it wouldnt build stacks

it doesnt take attachment of Linked Laser pointer

You have to equip Linked Laser Pointer from tech spec to both weapons to continously pulse enemies that you shoot

[feral shale]

Ah okay

[low narwhal]

yhh, HB is not exotic weapon friendly XD

[tulip charm]

I mean you can but its not optimal. Also HB stacks doesnt increase pesti ticks

[trim wedge]

Is everyone’s pfe mods glitched ?

Isn’t 12% max ?

[tulip charm]

???

No max is 13%

[trim wedge]

Ahh gotcha I was so confused why the bar is so far down for only 1%

I have 4 at 12% but I quit way before incursions or anything was out so I never used them until recently

[tulip charm]

Yeah don’t worry about it unless you want or make a pfe build

[light grove]

Could be worse, could get that 1% mod for the amp increase on the striker shield, have hope for years that it’s bigger than 1%, then be disappointed that it’s still 1% at max bar.

🫠

[drowsy lion]

best talent for lexington?

[subtle bluff]

There's almost no "Best" thing in this game. BiS to do something sure.

[rich lotus]

Overflow 😉

[tulip charm]

Reformation

[copper holly]

Is there a better striker build than the st elmo one

[solar sable]

with lexi

and there is no actual "better" but alternative setups

w/memento
w/striker's chest
w/vigi bp

and no, NBB doesn't count

[solar sable]

these setups are used on different scenarios
you can easily put on memento for LZ or leggie for example

[copper holly]

Ok

[trim wedge]

I run striker bag for the 2x dmg with stacks but currently tryna farm ceska with obliterate

Second day in a row no luck

Boutta craft 100 of them 💀

[solar sable]

not worth, low rolls are pretty much what you get in exchange

[copper holly]

Can someone send there lexi build

[hexed steppe]

bag doesnt buff that much, and its boost was nerfed this season. you may be thinking of the chest since it brings up the max stacks from 100 up to 200.

[copper holly]

Preferably for legendary content

[hexed steppe]

the max damage setup, especially if you are hitting really tanky enemies is gonna be striker bag+striker chest. then ceska, and either grupo or coyote.
crit chance to 50-60% else in crit damage

i dont think the striker guide has been updated to reflect the changes from this season

[copper holly]

I'm running fox prayers, coyote mask and strikers 4 piece

[hexed steppe]

ceska oblit/coyote is still viable, but something like glass/vigilance is stronger.

as long as you have enough crit you can get away with fox's. usually fox's/contractors is kinda nogo on crit starved setups like striker/hb. with retribution stacking up to 50% chance you have a lot more flexibility in setup.

[copper holly]

What kneepads would you recommend

If I'm using striker chest

Or change backpack and use striker kneepads?

[hexed steppe]

personally i been running without coyote, and at 45% chc before retribution kicks in. 30 hits at mid range and im maxed out until another 140 hits ticks me lower than chance cap

for legs you can probably use chest and bag since youll want to pushing as much damage as possible. youll want a ceska piece somewhere, then its either coyote/grupo/possibly palisades for the aok. youll want to build to your preference.

[copper holly]

Also what modifiers are best

[hexed steppe]

thats pretty subjective. i use retribution/persistence/quicken or drawback.
liability seems popular for the damage boost

[hexed steppe]

hb is working pretty good in a tech tank dps role. tried is spotter/vig, hb chest/vig, but hb chest/memento felt best.
ill probably still fall back on nego/striker for pure output when needed, but this is quite good for running around open world/projects grinding 🍻

better than i remember anyways

[subtle bluff]

It does work. Using a ACS12 with Brazen is also really good.

My lego version just runs 4 pfe

[tidal tusk]

Genuine question, is this build any good for a Bighorn-focused build, or is this hot garbage? (39.7% CHC, 105% CHD, 179.4 HS are the stats I get from the attributes, Chest has Obliterate, Bag has Unstoppable Force)

I'm trying to learn how to build stuff without relying on YouTube since I want to improve

[onyx sage]

obliterate is shit on a hsd build

[tidal tusk]

What should I look out for?

[fresh fox]

bighorn is meh on a crit build

[onyx sage]

where are you using this in

[tidal tusk]

Rn nowhere, I'm just trying to experiment in general, but I guess this would be for Open World heroic, maybe Countdown

Don't think this would be too great for DZ pvp or Conflict

[onyx sage]

ironically if you are to use bighorn it would excel in pvp over pve

in pve crit builds are still king because you don't have heads everywhere

[tidal tusk]

Oh damn, uh, guess I'm dumb

So should I just invest as much as I can in HS damage and use this for PvP?

[onyx sage]

and enemies that have helmets don't take hsd

well there are pvp builds, you don't just slap on as much hsd as you can and call it a day

bighorn is used on striker or regen builds

[tidal tusk]

I'm guessing it works on regen builds because of the intrinsic buff to HS, so you don't have to slot in too much damage?

[onyx sage]

the benefit of bighorn is that you get a ton of hsd, which means you get 1 free attribute

that free attribute can be anything you want, like regen or hazpro or something else

the drawback is that it is hsd so it doesn't affect helmets or non-heads

[fresh fox]

i wouldnt use it on this build

[subtle bluff]

Normal/Crit builds need both CHC and CHD.
HS builds pretty only need HSD.

[fresh fox]

bighorn is strong on regen builds because of how much damage you sacrifice for regen

[subtle bluff]

HS builds in open and general PvE will suck at point when you can't hit heads.

[fresh fox]

bighorn is able to make up for the damage loss and more

[tidal tusk]

That's fair

So if I were to convert this to a PvP build, what brands or gear sets do you guys recommend?

[subtle bluff]

Simply no.

LOL

[onyx sage]

enter a phone number bro

[fresh fox]

STOP.

something like this

[onyx sage]

you'd need to refarm most of the pieces

[tidal tusk]

Bro, don't tease me with Catharsis, been farming it for 4 days straight now

[tidal tusk]

I don't mind that

[fresh fox]

you use stuff like cathersis, gila, belstone, matador, golan, emperors guards

[tidal tusk]

Luckily I should have some good pieces for Gila already, regretfully I haven't seen a single Matador bag yet

[subtle bluff]

If you want to use your build for PvE and I won't say it's gonan be good or not you need more CHC then when you want more DMG hit the head a lot.

[tidal tusk]

I keep being told not to use it for PvE, so I think I'll stick to Banshee and F2000 for now

[fresh fox]

dz exclusive

[tidal tusk]

That would explain it

[fresh fox]

both of the named items (matador, emperors guards) are dz exclusive

[subtle bluff]

I swear I just explained it in that last post.. 😐

[tidal tusk]

I know you did

[subtle bluff]

Here's the thing for General Open/PvE stuff find a playstyle that'll work for you. Run that get use the game then start learning other stuff

[tidal tusk]

Will do, thank you. And thank you all for the great advice btw, I'll go and farm some more and hopefully something will click soon for build-making (I suck rn)

[subtle bluff]

BH base dmg is actually really good. It will do good dmg even has crit but it won't be at it's highest for sure and you may to a part where you want more dmg.

[light grove]

So much damned armor regen 🫠

[onyx sage]

there's some serious gotchas in figuring out all these yourself btw. i commend you for putting in the work but don't be shy in asking if a particular brand or talent will help you more than others. this knowledge is not apparent at all

[tidal tusk]

Thank you, I might drop by again to ask for opinions, but I'll see how far I can get myself, my stubborness demands so

[onyx sage]

like a question we get a lot is why we keep running crit brands over weapon damage brands in crit builds

why does 10% ar damage from fenris lose out

for example

[tidal tusk]

Is that because the weapon type damage is applied to base damage rather than total damage compared to crits or is it something else?

[light grove]

Diminishing return actually.

[onyx sage]

i call it opportunity cost myself

you basically have more weapon damage than crit damage, and these two multiply off each other, so you'd want to bolster the lesser stat

[light grove]

Both a diminishing return and an opportunity cost.

[onyx sage]

multiplication is commutative so it doesn't matter which stat applies first

[tidal tusk]

Ok, I see now

[light grove]

Oh god. I’m getting reminded of Eph and it’s just pain.

[onyx sage]

same goes for why we use crit brands over fox

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no there depending on which weapon type funny enough. Well build too up a point.

[light grove]

The build would have to have something that requires weapon damage as a stat to affect its talents. The only two that pop in mind being headhunter and pestilence.

[subtle bluff]

Nope. Full Strikers SMG.

[light grove]

Now that’s just silly <_<

[trim wedge]

Could you post a pic of your striker ?

Cause I’ve been tryna farm a chest I don’t even need then

Been running this to farm, any tips on anything I’m doing wrong?

[molten thorn]

If you can swap that bp to an Airaldi brand one with hsd/vigilance that's better for you than providence i guess

[next shadow]

Any good tank builds

[west forum]

@next shadow i hear the tardigrade build of good

[subtle bluff]

how is that silly? Sork was more dps then Fox's

[subtle bluff]

I hate these kind of tank builds..

[hexed steppe]

i have a couple variants.
-old standard - ceska oblit/coyote.
-spotter/flatline/vig - this would also be the layout if using glass/perfect glass.
perfect glass being the stronger, which i dont have in a loadout atm would require sacrifice, but either ceska vigilance or gift gives the same bonus if using sacrifice. i dont have striker chest/bag set in loadout either, but your off pieces would be ceska/grupo or coyote.

tbf i dont use striker all that much. obv if i need massive upfront damage, striker is the goto. ptherwise, most of my dps loadouts revolve around negotiators dilemma and transferring damage from crits.

[rich lotus]

Any tips for build gear set in still begginer division and idk what to do lol just have 6 striker gear set using all same 6 gear haha been play 6 month still confuse ?

[hexed steppe]

tbh, that looks good for hotshot. personally im all farmed out for chain killer/airaldi vigilance, but if youre in a pickle and need to use elmo, that extra hsd from prov has a good impact .
as long as youre hitting the damage thresholds to oneshot most stuff, youre gold. there is a bit of wiggle room for qol stuff. 👍

[hexed steppe]

youll only need 4 pieces of striker. its good to have all available so you can swap pieces around, but only ever 4 used, reference above

[rich lotus]

Ohhh

Then the rest ? What

[hexed steppe]

see the hannd/hammer icon in the first pics chest. thats ceska brand, its bonus gives critical hit chance

the mask is coyote exotic in the first pic, its also a crit based item

[rich lotus]

Ohhh

The mask coyote where to get ?

[normal badger]

What are these blue sets? Never seen those.🤔

[rich lotus]

But when im using all 6 gear striker set the damage is fine also is it fine if i play 6 same gear set i follow div 1 same like in this game

[trim wedge]

What’s your thought on people switching striker chest out for ceska/fenris obliterate

[rich lotus]

Pvp stats

[hexed steppe]

when youre learning about building, especially dps, like striker, you need to balance your crit chance and crit damage. all other attribute rolls lower your damage potential. crit chance is how many bullets have potential so you want that to be as close to 60% as possible. then all the rest of the attributes/mods should be crit damage

[rich lotus]

Oooo

[trim wedge]

With striker it’s no less than 54% crit chance I believe

[hexed steppe]

color blind mode. they are normally green

[rich lotus]

im using all 6 gear set is it fine ?

[normal badger]

Ahhhhh, got you. Thanks 😉

[trim wedge]

Running 6 pc striker isn’t the best decision in my opinion but to each their own

[hexed steppe]

it depends. if coyote you can be at 50%. i personally been using retribution a lot and dropped a couple of my rolls down to 45, because retribution cranks it back up to max

[rich lotus]

Hmmm man ok2 im so confused this game im sorry

[hexed steppe]

if you run nego, you better be at 60 tho 😂

[trim wedge]

You’re good brother come here to learn

Ide post my striker but im in bed already lol

If your low level I 100% back building a hotshot 1 shot build I’ve went from 380 to 570

In 3 days, roughly 5 hours of play a day

[rich lotus]

So i need 4 striker and the rest is free ?

[hexed steppe]

if you check the pinned messages of this channel, there is a spreadsheet we all use. there is a great build guide section with solid builds, tested and scrutinized rigorously to find flaws. its a creat place to start. there is also sections for all things geat/weapons/talent/specialization. kinda like a d2 bible. really good info

[hexed steppe]

find a ceska (hammer) and a grupo (gs icon) to to go with teh 4 pieces and youll see better results

[rich lotus]

Alright but grupo how ?

[rich lotus]

Ceska is a chest ?

[hexed steppe]

open map> hit r > look for the hammer and that grupo logo. those areas will have target loot.
you can take your dps into countdown and select either at anytime to switch couintdowns target loot for what you want to drop

[rich lotus]

Ok but coyote mask ?

Thats mask looks good

[hexed steppe]

all the brands have 6 pieces, so you can pick and choose where you want them. there is mainly emphasis on chests and bags because those 2 have talents for highend, and the gearsets(green) have set specific modifiers. some are strong, others are pretty useless. that comes in time

yeah coyote is a solid mask for dps

[rich lotus]

Can i get coyote mask countdown any difficulty?

[hexed steppe]

with gearsets/brands you target the specific brand. when targeting exotics you select the type. for coyote you would be farming masks. stick with challenging. anything lower and you wont get a match, challenging is easy to carry some new peoiple so theyre mostly successful. heroic has slightle better rolls/rewards, but being new youll probably be kicked sometimes. harder to carry heroic

[rich lotus]

Right thx and can i follow your build ?

Cuz i want my character not only stronger and powerful too in pve and pvp

[hexed steppe]

yeah sure. go with the ceska /coyote first pic , just make sure to keep a striker chest/bag on you so you can swap to a higher damage version if needed

[rich lotus]

Alright man thx for tips

[hexed steppe]

you can probably also hit the lfg channel and some will probably help farm

once you get something youre comfortable with, post it here. we'll pick it apart, but also put it back together better. pvp gonna be a whole different beast, but we'll cross that bridge another time

🍻

[hexed steppe]

i got no good acs in the stash, its all lefty/rnr . im gonna try brazen mop tho. i dont stack with the shotgun anyways so it should be decent

[raven island]

what kind of build setups are run in incursion? and how is a normal party setup? do you run tanks or healers or both?

[patent fossil]

No tanks, usual setup is 3dps and one healer

[broken edge]

It is possible 4 dps but it is riskier

Bosses are mostly DPS checks for each of their vulnerability phases

[subtle bluff]

Courtyard 3 or 4 dps and a FI healer (non Chest striker works well here)
Tanker 4 dps (Striker Chest and PB from here on out. Must also have acs12 for stack building)
Wright and Love Birds 3 dps and FI healer

[raven island]

im guessing skill builds like the drone turret one is to low dps?

[low narwhal]

probably so

plus i dont think they can hit for crit either

so doing DPS w gun is better

[raven island]

checks out

[low narwhal]

have you got an incursion build?

maybe a DPS build for start and then i guess healer works well after

there is also an oxi build for the first part

but you gotta switch after that phase

[subtle bluff]

What birdshot is correct. Incursion for the most part is DPS check. If you and your team can't output enough dmg the much much harder it gets.

[raven island]

i have high end red build but not striker or PB (not sure what PB is)

[subtle bluff]

Stop don't need to bring advance stuff into this.

[raven island]

is striker that much better?

[subtle bluff]

PB?

YES. 180% amp always is better than anything else.

Nothing else in the game can give you that much more DPS by gear alone.

[raven island]

ok, pestilence good enough or do u have to run ARs?

[subtle bluff]

Only we say PB is for Personal Best for speedrun times.

[raven island]

ah ok i was confused if it was some kind of gear set or something

[subtle bluff]

Pestilence isn't really good for incursion. Things need to die faster.

[raven island]

so striker with like elmo or something along those lines?

lexington also im guessing

[subtle bluff]

Something like this

Elmo, Lexington, Vector

They all work.

[raven island]

ok thanks

[subtle bluff]

I've ton well over 400 FTC's. I don't let people in without basically 4pc Striker Chest and BP and a acs12 the rest doesn't matter to a degree.

[patent fossil]

Think he meant BP (as in, striker chest and backpack)

[modest osprey]

Does anyone know where to farm Striker's Battlegear?

In the current patch?

[subtle bluff]

Countdown and Summit

[subtle bluff]

thanks. derpy typing.

[modest osprey]

Ohh.. Okay.. I don't really have a party for me to select though.. Kind of forgotten how to play the Countdown and the Summit works 😦

[subtle bluff]

You don't need a party you can find people within the menu for it.

[raven island]

is it actually worth that more then one person runs coyote mask in the group?

[modest osprey]

Hmm.. Okay okay..

[subtle bluff]

Not really 2 max imo is all you need but even then.

You can change out the Coyote for Grupo

[raven island]

regulus with the holster if u dont run elmo? or is it just a meme?

[subtle bluff]

That's a very different build. Much more advance stuff.

[subtle bluff]

Bosses Strats are in my bio YT playlist btw.

[raven island]

good to know if we get stuck just want to go in blind to start with

[subtle bluff]

Make sure you have a base FI Healer build.

[raven island]

will do

one FI healer and 3 striker cucks

[subtle bluff]

To note an avg team can clear it within 12 min on avg. So there's something to do everywhere and way and better way to do it. Tanker and on my biggest advice without giving away stuff is acs12 stack build is possible to do for a reason.

[raven island]

do the season mechanics work in the incursion now?

[subtle bluff]

No nor in any raids.
Never has and shouldn't ever.

[low narwhal]

it works in countdown tho. I saw the symbol like once or twice during my 2 hour countdown run xD

[subtle bluff]

iirc it's ui bug

[low narwhal]

ahh i see

[light grove]

It definitely still does not change the fact that a full red core strikers using only SMG suffers from diminishing returns on using WD. Regardless if it’s better or not. I’m well aware of the limitations of Foxes in this regard. I don’t use it if a rifle is not being used in builds.

In regard to where you first quoted me. Weapon damage will always diminish unless it is needed to extend caps or increase potency of damage in talents. (Fell asleep, sorry for convo necro) I don’t disagree with you on making use of all damage benefits to SMG on a build that purely uses them. All I’m saying is that the principle of Weapon Damage’s effectiveness is greatly diminished at that point of adding the weapon damage from Sokolov Concern ontop of all red cores + spec + WD on weapon.

The comment on headhunter and pestilence are just examples of weapon damage no longer being affected as harshly by diminishing return.

[subtle bluff]

Never end disagree with you. The instance where this is coming into play is that CHD is hitting a special diminishing return vs WD because of it having CHC on it and we’re able to have such a high amount of CHD.

[plucky niche]

bruh

[low narwhal]

you got 2 memento drops? XD

[plucky niche]

yeah

from 1 countdown

[low narwhal]

crazy man xD

[plucky niche]

trying to get ninja bike bp

[low narwhal]

why?

[plucky niche]

106 magazine st elmo

[low narwhal]

w 2 pc Brazos?

[plucky niche]

yeah

[low narwhal]

why not try centurion scabbard? XD

will also give 50% reload speed

and no need to sacrifice backpack talent

if you use a ceska Vigilance backpack, it will give you 25% weapon dmg amp also

just need to get used to playing with weapon switching. I usually use my numbers instead of scroll wheel if im trying to buff the weapon

or maybe you can even go as far as setting a separate keybind. might work too

like a button on the mouse to switch to spec weapon, and then another button to switch to main weapon so you get the right bonuses

[plucky niche]

tbf I've just been googling "st elmo build division 2

[low narwhal]

ahh i see!

what did you find?

[onyx sage]

if you look online you'll find basically meme builds that are different from the default strongest ones just for the sake of content

unless that's what you're trying to make i wouldn't recommend it

[plucky niche]

basically was 3 pc striker 2 pc brazo ninja bike for dps, which seems sensible

[hoary sail]

better to ask here

[onyx sage]

it's not good

[plucky niche]

primarily I'm on memento elmo rn cause I'm just trying to build a raid dps loadout

[low narwhal]

memento not good for raid

[plucky niche]

it's felt as much tbh

I'm just looking for a good dps loadout so I can start raiding

[onyx sage]

just go with the default one, coyote's mask with ceska obliterate chest

4p striker with backpack

[plucky niche]

and elmo or something else?

[low narwhal]

yupp

elmo and ACS shotgun

[carmine compass]

I haven't played in a very long time, probably gonna sound dumb, but did they nerf Elmo? I swear it had 20% on its crit and handling mods?

[plucky niche]

yeah ffrom 20% to 15%

[carmine compass]

Huh

[onyx sage]

20% on handling is still there

they nerfed the crit mods

[carmine compass]

But now I can use EB, that one also has 15 iirc

[onyx sage]

the base damage was buffed though, due to police m4 being buffed

[carmine compass]

That's pretty cool

[onyx sage]

yeah, in practice from my own experience it is a net buff

[carmine compass]

Yeah, didn't really feel a difference

Had to swap out one of my CHD mods but the dmg was still there

[onyx sage]

yep

[plucky niche]

time to grind for coyote mask then

ez

[trim wedge]

I grind until I get a semi god roll

Less optimizing to do

[low narwhal]

I wear the mask at the start of raid and take it off when noone's looking

also less optimistic

[trim wedge]

🤣

Better?

[plucky niche]

surely I will just optimize

[low narwhal]

yepp

[uneven igloo]

Is catharsis mask will be always the best option for HB builds? Is there any point actually bringing red cores into HB?

[tulip charm]

1. catharsis mask isnt the best option pve wise
2. Yes, if you want to do more damage

[uneven igloo]

How about pvp wise?

[tulip charm]

Yeah cath is pretty much better in pvp

[waxen herald]

Whats stronger, Lexington with Killer or Strega? Both on a Striker build

[low narwhal]

Strega

but lexington is stronger without buffs being active

Strega is stronger when comparing both active buffs

[onyx sage]

strega is so good for bosses!!!

[versed summit]

Strega wins at 3 stacks, but uptime is a serious consideration

[onyx sage]

also rpm is slower

[mint axle]

And It has less 10 bullets

[versed summit]

And it’s fall themed

[waxen herald]

Heartbreaker still worse than Strikers yeah?

[versed summit]

On paper it’s really close, in practice it feels way worse

[halcyon pagoda]

now hand it over...

[uneven igloo]

If full stack blue core hb goes against full stack striker red core, more likely to lose striker cuz no armor, he'll just get melted down due to HB dmg. If striker was blue cored, then HB would lose.

[waxen herald]

Not in PvP, in PvE lol

[uneven igloo]

ah, mb lmao

If we take legendary summit or missions, HB would be actually great

[versed summit]

How?

[uneven igloo]

HB Stacks provide additional armor which boosts your survivability, also that gives you damage.

[versed summit]

Yeah, it still sucks for legendary because it has a lower top end then strikers and can’t stack on minitanks

[uneven igloo]

If you lose all bonus armor, just reset all your stacks by changing to one random piece of gear and back to hs. Farm with ACS-12 and repeat steps.

[versed summit]

Can’t really be bothered mid fight

[uneven igloo]

I usually never go for mini tanks. That's just waste of time. Go for controllers.

[versed summit]

Fair, but typically it’s faster to just kill them instead of going around them.

[uneven igloo]

I find striker still useless without backup, like shield or revive hive

HB doesn't need that

[uneven igloo]

Sadly, legendary doesn't rewards you for sitting on same spot, so you'll have to go around to kill the most dangerous ones.

[versed summit]

Striker doesn’t either tbh

[uneven igloo]

If you have memento since it forces you to go for kills.

[versed summit]

And you can kill them faster with striker. Glad to hear Heartbreaker is working for you, but overall striker is versatile and flexible, which is why it’s used a lot more

[versed summit]

Don’t need that either

[uneven igloo]

True, but I'll still find HB better than Striker. Probably because of my preference of having balanced survivability and damage at the same time. Headshot build on HB with big horn would do some crazy competition

[versed summit]

I find the bonus armor to be too finicky, and you lose armor on kill from gunner. But glad it’s working for you

[fresh fox]

it’s better than the obliterate + striker bag version iirc

but other than that striker still better

[midnight willow]

I just hit level 40, can someone help me figure out the best sets to hunt for?

[versed summit]

I’d look for a striker build, there’s some good guides for that and some other stuff in the pinned spreadsheet

[midnight willow]

would it be best to finish warlords of new york before thinking about this to much?

[broken edge]

Wpuld say to finish it so you have all skills

[midnight willow]

ok, thank you

[carmine compass]

Obliterate + Striker bag is literally peak performance tho, so no, HB isn't better

[versed summit]

Well technically glass+Vigilance striker is peak performance now

[halcyon pagoda]

just got this from cache, what I do now???

[carmine compass]

Oh, have there been some changes recently?

I wasn't too active

Wait, Striker was amplified dmg before, right?

[bleak sequoia]

how do you enable this UI?

[halcyon pagoda]

think this is default, for pc yes...

[carmine compass]

Inventory view

[bleak sequoia]

Grid view, ok! thanks

[onyx sage]

it's always been amp, just like HB, it just stacks additively

[halcyon pagoda]

ohhh,never knew you could change it...\

[carmine compass]

Cause I see now it says twd

[onyx sage]

nah it's bait

[carmine compass]

Awesome

[onyx sage]

pls solo legendary with HB

[mint axle]

No, it's Mandela effect

[fresh fox]

it’s not peak performance

ik im late guys.

[bleak yarrow]

is the new lexington better than my elmos?

[low narwhal]

yepp

Also reroll St Elmo to give DMG to target out of cover

[bleak yarrow]

trying

im lacking a lot of CC %

if i do lexington

instead of elmos tho...gonna leave elmos

[carmine compass]

So, this is currently peak performance?

[bleak yarrow]

best way to get exotic components?

[low narwhal]

priority missions w exotic as reward

and then deconstruct. or countdown and every 2-3 matches you get exotic cache and ddeconstruct

[bleak yarrow]

getting that dmg to target out of cover is RNG hell

what's faster?

priority or countdown

[hexed steppe]

You can also use countdown to farm exo , not as fast as prio obj, but still viable.

Also doing daily/weekly/shd projects for 4 agents(main+alts)

If you target ar, mmr, lmg , there is a better chance to drop exo from target loot. Those categories have higher exo:non-exo ratio.

[bleak yarrow]

thanks!

[subtle bluff]

But I have... Then again I also hot swapped to deal with dogs... D=

[subtle bluff]

Doesn't need to be PCG but yea this is by numbers is better but you just got to be good at the gameplay.

[west forum]

Where do you get the tardigrade from?

[mint axle]

It has a higher chance of dropping from named true sons.

[west forum]

@mint axle thanks. I thought it was a project or something. So what's the exotic part you get from the summit

[mint axle]

It's for the other exotic chest: ridgeway's pride.

[west forum]

@mint axle Any good? I got the part, just don't know anything about it

[broken edge]

Extremely meh

[mint axle]

It's a good dust taker in my stash

[west forum]

Ok, won't pursue it then lol

[broken edge]

It used to be useful sidegrade to OD, effective to cause bleed... Which is not very useful

OD chest buff made it completely irrelevant to all builds

And this is coming from someone who loves uderused stuff

[west forum]

Very niche then. Only for a sadist build or something

[broken edge]

Tardigrade is any chestpiece drop, with also chances from true sons as mentioned

Lincoln which is a popular farm for regular stuff is extra handy for tardigrade

[west forum]

On challenge, or will hard do. I don't think I'm ready for solo challenge difficult

[broken edge]

Well thats up to you, harder difficulty increases exotic chances

[west forum]

Yea, I guess I'll get to it. On the grind for a tardigrade

[bleak sequoia]

so for Vile build why does everyone say "Vile mask, 4x Eclipse, 1x Golan Gear" when Electrique already has a yellow core and also has 10% status effects as the first rank?

[mint axle]

Old gear dies hard I guess.

[broken edge]

Plot twist eletrique was newer than golan gear when those suggrstions were made

[bleak sequoia]

thank you, I thought I was taking crazy pills

damn, too bad my Snow Machine rolled with Repair Skills instead of Status Effects or Skill Haste

[hexed steppe]

Status / haste

Just swap the roll

[bleak sequoia]

Which one should I swap to Status Effects

[hexed steppe]

The repair. If you are using capacitor and retribution passive modifier, cap will be able to utilize the crit damage.
Retribution is capable of maxing chc on the build

[bleak sequoia]

cool thanks. Need to do the Summit challenges to get that Capacitor. It's still a guaranteed reward right?

[hexed steppe]

Yes

5 challenges I think needed

[bleak sequoia]

easy peasy

[acoustic epoch]

So I’m running the first pvp build in the spreadsheet with catharsis, matador, 1 grupo, 1 ceska, 1 fenris and fox’s with unbreakable on the chest. My question is, is fenris still best if I want to run 4b2r instead of 6b?

[subtle bluff]

More or less.

[fresh fox]

still worse than chest bag but yea its peak 100 stack performance

[fresh fox]

pgc best tho

[carmine compass]

Aww, man, back to PGC

Haven't used it in a while

Time to get heavily skill checked

[tulip charm]

xd

[carmine compass]

Are any of these new sets actually good?

Breaking Point, Aegis, Ortiz

Aegis just seems kinda mid, I feel like Cavalier is better simply for the 100% hazres and the effect share, Ortiz seens like a niche setup, I guess Breaking Point doesn't look to bad for rifles?

Maybe for Ravenous, if it gives 2 stacks/shot

[hexed steppe]

theyre all pretty meh tbh.
when it comes to buffing/support fi/ep/od all do it way better that aegis or cav
ortiz doesnt compare ep any way you build it.
im not 100 on BP but it doesnt seem too strong, 2pc stats are nice ig . he probably better in the long run tho

tweaked my AFK (skill damage/aok) build to take into account empress not being the best skill brand anymore. opened up a spot for waveform.
still 20%-30% aok. yes 36% pfe on pgc, ik ik 👴

[subtle bluff]

Do you really need palisade?

[quartz ermine]

it is good for survival

[hexed steppe]

yes

and yes

[subtle bluff]

You have mop

[quartz ermine]

but you lose staks if you switch to mop :))

[subtle bluff]

If he's afk doesn't matter

[quartz ermine]

it is what it is

[subtle bluff]

I'm question it for a AFK build

Not for active build

[hexed steppe]

its preference. and even on afk im fairly active

only 20-30% aok. corrected the error

[quartz ermine]

yep, see mine

[hexed steppe]

there isnt really much i could add other than the palisades

you need you a yellow sacrifice

[quartz ermine]

i'm fine with this

[hexed steppe]

been a while since i used it, but i was organizing my loadouts. the 2 hanna are slightly better then empress now, considering you really only need skill damage and haste. been a real long time since i used waveform

if it was for explosive/fire the empress would still be better since those skills double dip skill damage and status effects. but actually maybe not🤔 2hanna/1elec still beats empress

i had made it originally to get around pistolero and grind some elite for a league. only had gunner on at that time. aok does really well with keeping you topped off

[quartz ermine]

i don't care about that 10% haste, i have this in game

[hexed steppe]

yeah, afk doesnt need it anyways. its just a stepping stone to the damage

but im using the same, retribution/quicken/peak engineering

[quartz ermine]

i use this

[subtle bluff]

I would think running Belstone

But ya if you're active I get it

[hexed steppe]

does teeth apply to the skills or only weapon damage?

[quartz ermine]

only weapon dmg(withount peak)

[hexed steppe]

before palisades i was using an emperors guard. i kinda like the aok as its a bigger boost and skills just keep me topped off all the time

could add deathgrips tho, but nah, it would be overkill

[quartz ermine]

use this as an alternative to Palisade

or this for more Skill Health instead of that 10%AOK from Palisade

[hexed steppe]

either piece lowers damage with bad brands. i got enough aok, dont need skill health, and repair doesnt help if no healing.

im just glad i found a way to incorporate waveform without it being a sidegrade

[quartz ermine]

true for repair skill, skill health is good

you can keep that drone alive for longer

[subtle bluff]

If he wanted skill health he'd just run 3pc Empress again.

[subtle bluff]

Do this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDEqtuzN2Ic

[hexed steppe]

turret and drone have a lot of uptime. skill health is basically a shield attribute. the only attributes i need are skill damage and haste.
im pretty sure i squeezed as much skill damage/amp damage as possible without empress taking half the loadout. obv perfect combined arms would add 5% more total skill damage, but that would leave me too exposed, so not going that route

[tidal tusk]

Friend of mine wants some advice: he wants to know if it's worthwhile to have a PvE oriented build with 2 blue and 4 red, all crit substats, or instead same substats and 5 reds but be squishier. I already gave him my opinion but I also haven't played the game enough so I'd like to relay the opinions of more knowledgeable people

[onyx sage]

in pve eventually you would rather use all red to end the fight faster, as you would learn the AI enough, so he can either get used to it later or now. heartbreaker is a good set for giving some armor while having good damage

[broken edge]

On some builds thar can done or lenient

He could try picaros and memento to get more blues and keep damage

[tidal tusk]

I'll relay the info, thank you both

[autumn elbow]

So what ideally is the best skill damage build? My buddy is working on his build and i was going off the pinned post but starting to see contradictory information now

[broken edge]

Like damage builds, different builds for different things

What are looking, aoe, single heavy hits, sustained damage etc

Turret and striker drone still work well

Mortar turret, eclipse protocol with fire

[low narwhal]

i think we had some discussion about this before in here or other discord. The conclusion we came to was glass cannon, Combined arms or Tech support (if going AFK), 3pc Empress international, 2pc Hana U and 1pc Wyvern rolled to skill dmg and skill haste. W capacitor and Harmony/any insync weapons

[autumn elbow]

oh okay then the build still sort of holds up

is it flexible for really any skills or just for drone and turret?

skill builds were never something i really did on xbox so new territory for me

[low narwhal]

i think drone, turret maybe mines too

There is also an artillery build if you wanna try?

but im not an expert on that xD still need to build mine

[autumn elbow]

Artillary i have heard is fun but much more niche, was thinking of stinger hive xD

all good! i appreciate the help and input regardless

[low narwhal]

maybe for stinger hive, you can roll to skill dmg and status effects

as well as using Vile exotic mask, and take off Wyvern

but idk how effective it will be

[autumn elbow]

still same brand set? or would i be better off with brazos and hana-u?

[low narwhal]

still same

or maybe you can use Ongoing directive or eclipse Protocol gearset

If using eclipse, it will spread upon kill

if using ongoing directive, the gearset benefits from the bleed status effect that you apply using stinger hive

so the person using it can gain 50% weapon dmg from killing status effect target

and also be able to apply status effect to anyone they shoot

[autumn elbow]

that sounds busted, im surprised i dont see more people running that

[low narwhal]

But anyone who uses st elmo in your team will hate you for giving them hollow ammo xD it messes with their shock ammo i think

[autumn elbow]

ahhh now that makes sense lol i do love the shock ammo for the stun but maybe for world play ill make the stinger hive build, is there a good additional skill to couple it with or just whatever works?

[low narwhal]

Im not sure.. maybe whatever works xD

Eclipse protocol is more of a support build, whereas Ongoing directive is more of a DPS build. But if you are gonna use stinger hive with ongoing directive, you might as well use explosive mine to apply bleed on target and kill them so your mag fills with hollow point ammo.

but up to you xD

[autumn elbow]

Sounds good to me just gotta wait for OD to roll around as farmable again

[low narwhal]

what's OG?

[subtle bluff]

It's doesn't do as much as strikers and some other builds. OD is nice if things are dying.

[covert spindle]

it does indeed mess with st elmos shock ammo if you have any shock rounds still in mag when OD procs

[subtle bluff]

Eh.. it use to be when we did have good weapons but now that we have good weapons and talents just focusing on doing WD is better for OD.

[covert spindle]

if i recall correctly

[copper holly]

Empress got nerfed?

[subtle bluff]

a lil

[light grove]

Just a lil

[copper holly]

Is there a better skill build now

[subtle bluff]

no

Skill builds will never do more than Weapon base builds. Skills can help support build but for it to be the base of good DPS isn't good.

[autumn elbow]

thats kinda lame... i really like skill builds although i understand why they keep them on the lower damage end between them and weapon builds (looking at you division 1 sticky bomb)

[wheat anchor]

Heres hoping they give us a serious skill buff in brooklyn

The rogues have stronger skills so surely they can tie that in

[broken edge]

Skill builds only struggle niche content

Like incursions and raids

They work for everything else

[wheat anchor]

True

[broken edge]

They are subpar in exhange for safety

[wheat anchor]

Skills have always functionally been more of a utility/support tool

[copper holly]

What's best attachments on lexington

[broken edge]

Not really, afk builds were once called tok strong

Stay behind cover and your skills complete the mission for you

[west forum]

How do you get the ninja bike messenger bag. An incursion right?

[subtle bluff]

I did say DPS and not damage...

Well I meant..

[hexed steppe]

Mortar and fire eclipse are both very high damage skill builds .

[hexed steppe]

Drops from backpack target loot, anywhere.
Ninja is a downgrade, so just be weary if you do choose to build with it.
High end/gearset > memento > ninja

[subtle bluff]

With the right build and setup. Hard Wire build can do some good dmg and help support at the same time.

[hexed steppe]

Ok, My version of fire eclipse and mortar are very strong. Strength will always be subject to the build used. 😅
Both excel at clearing out areas.
Mortar/eclipse are pretty much applicable anywhere outside of raid/incursion.
Tbf, they are more than support builds because of the damage output and their ability to solo.

I'm not a huge fan of hardwire at this point. It did get a solid buff but its realistically still a seeker/jammer spam build. My problem with cluster seeker is they only target 1 seeker per npc, even if you have more seekers than NPCs. So you kinda have to spam the crap out of them to make bigger impacts.
In my mind, jammer spam is the only strong use for hardwire, and that use is very niche.

[strange dew]

I wanna ask about some advice about a build I'm trying. I'm trying a build with the bulwark shield. What gear should I use? What secondary skill should I use? What guns should I use? What specialization should I use?

[subtle bluff]

Need more context of what you are trying to do with the build.

[hexed steppe]

Bulwarks shield, catharsis mask, liberty exotic pistol probably a good start. But yeah, need more input 👆

[strange dew]

Like I can hold up the bulwark for higher difficulties and raids

Like I cant do any raids because I get melted before the first boss

Im currently moving through the summit on either Normal or Hard difficulty

I cant remember

But to get more exotics I need a higher difficulty

[hexed steppe]

Generally speaking tho, survivability comes from superior damage rather than armor.
Dead npcs dont shoot back.
Most raids you'll need dps if not already doing a specific role

[urban latch]

Raids have a few specifics roles for tanks, but in general your first build(s) should be dps builds since as you learn the raids you'll generally be put on DPS roles first

[strange dew]

K

But what's a good dps build then?

Preferably a versatile one

[urban latch]

Start with strikers, there's multiple different setups for different fights. I'd also recommend the high end DPS build as well.

The pinned Google doc has guides for all the builds you'll need in raids

There's a tank guide in there as well, but I wouldn't worry about that until you've got a DPS build put together first.

[strange dew]

Where can I find it

[hexed steppe]

Pinned in this channel 📌

[strange dew]

How do I find pings?

😭

[subtle bluff]

On top of the window there's a pin

Right ish

[halcyon pagoda]

One is on their first build and would like to ask how do you acquire the good rolls(close to and max rolls for Crit DMG Crit hit chance) on the mod chips, One gets them from farming but they are missing the mark...

[subtle bluff]

When I'm bored enough to be motivated to make a starting build guides and loot list.

[hexed steppe]

#td2-build-advice message

[subtle bluff]

After I make my incursions short guides.

[hexed steppe]

Crit chance scope/muzzle/underbarrel rail, +20 capacity magazine. This it the norm for pretty much any crit dps weapon.

[hexed steppe]

ok i got 2 free loadout spots on my main and i need suggestions of what to put there. already have strike/nego/hotshot/he hh/he dps/eclipse/fi/mortar/he afk skill, usually with a couple variants. im looking for something nowhere near meta, but has some redeeming qualities to justify the trade off from normal setups. basically, i want your weird builds that work well, but make ppl "WTF"

[quartz ermine]

do you like support builds?

[hexed steppe]

only really use ep or fi for support. im open tho to anything

more or less to change how i normally play

[quartz ermine]

ok

i'll do some screenshots

[magic pilot]

Not one good build was posted

[subtle bluff]

I got you. Let me get on and post a few.

[tulip charm]

Quite interesting…

[daring mesa]

Hey all! Looking for a little advice if possible. I’m struggling to run content on anything but normal mode, and I’m certain that my build is the obvious issue. I have the memento backpack on, 3pc of tip of the spear 1pc hotshot and 1 pc breaking point.

My overarching question is, for someone who mainly runs solo, what would be a good build to aim for?

[tulip charm]

The build is clearly the issue

[daring mesa]

Yeah, I havnt exactly been doing too much in terms of hunting for gear or the like, but I wanna be able to get stuff done so it’s about time o get a little more serious about my build

[tulip charm]

The only good thing is memento as its arguably the best backpack for solo

Everything else is not good

[daring mesa]

To put it into perspective, I got a heroic bounty from the snitch, and I got man handled.

[tulip charm]

Figures lol

I would recommend Strikers, Hunters Fury, or Heartbreaker.

They can easily incorporate memento and be extremely strong.

[daring mesa]

Okay. Also, is there an effective money farm? I’m probably gonna need a lot for optimizing etc

[quartz ermine]

try this

[tulip charm]

Dont worry about optimizing since its resource heavy

Also thats one good

[quartz ermine]

sell junk loot

[daring mesa]

The only thing I’m wondering is why the mask instead of memento? I feel like coyotes is more geared for squad gameplay

[bleak sequoia]

@daring mesa imho beginners should stick to builds that use exactly 4 of one gear set (green items). Notice that the green pieces don't start giving set bonuses until you use at least 2 of them so your 1 pc of hotshot and breaking point are significantly worse than just any random yellow item

[warm knot]

Money isn't an issue, resources are. You can get money by just selling random stuff. Named items are the best cost-benefit profit iirc.

[quartz ermine]

use a fenris mask

[warm knot]

Or grupo

[tulip charm]

Its more for min maxing damage. If you want to use memento just run striker mask and ceska chest.

[subtle bluff]

Here's a WTF build but it does work if you know what you're doing with the build.
Don't mind the CHC CHD isn't probably right still testing out this build and stuff still needs updating and fixing. The 2nd doesn't have Tac Vector this is what I'm trying out atm you can you use an Ouro there too.
When I first tried this build it was with 2 more skill teir but it was working lego.. Idk have fun.

DO NOT try this new guys. This is not a normal build.

[tulip charm]

oh ranger gaming

[subtle bluff]

Yup range game peeky peeky

[tulip charm]

Oh right how far does ranger needs to be competitive against other talents

20m?

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't need to be ranger but it feels good on this.

Don't forget it got buffed to "2% for every 4m "

[tulip charm]

yeah

[subtle bluff]

So it's not that much remember it's uptime is better than others

In a sense

[bleak sequoia]

I love Ranger because it's brainless

and I have very little brain

[daring mesa]

Okay. Looks like I gotta farm some strikers before anything else. Any recommendation for special with it? I tend to use the tac 50

[bleak sequoia]

range drop off? What's that? Enemy big enough to shoot, I press trigger ugh ugh

[tulip charm]

Just go gunner

[subtle bluff]

The weapons can be changed up I haven't messed with this build a lot just been having fun doing something weird

[daring mesa]

Ah! Bullet hose gameplay!

[tulip charm]

I mean striker is that kind of gameplay

[daring mesa]

Alrighty, thanks for the advice! Off to the summit I go

[tulip charm]

Just do countdown

In challenging

[neat girder]

Can someone help me get a dark zone build?

[hexed steppe]

gotta stash your current setup. its very mismatched with no synergy.

i would run 4pc striker, ceska piece (most likely obliterate chest pc), and memento . memento is a great piece that can turn striker (or any dps) into a hybrid without haveing to spec into it.
i would also tech class for free skilltier/artificer hive.
memento/free skilltier make shield tier 3 . artificer would be tier 2, but it passively repairs your shield every 10 second without ever having to deploy the hive. on top of the tiers, memento also can scale up shield strength and artificer repair due to its talent.

[neat girder]

So like this?

[quartz ermine]

if it fits your playstyle then is ok

[daring mesa]

Unfortunately, no matter what I do right now I’ll have to grind out spec points. So for now I’ll have to make do with my current gear

[neat girder]

OK thanks

[tulip charm]

If its just landmark farming sure why not

Striker chest is pretty bad aswell

[hexed steppe]

even 4 bad striker pieces would make a huge impact to current setup. 1 countdown run would probably all you need to do to get a build

[neat girder]

What should I target?

[tulip charm]

cant target in the dz

[daring mesa]

I’ll give it a try, just worried about dragging people down before I do anything in a squad honestly

[neat girder]

He said do a countdown tho

[tulip charm]

whatever you need

[hexed steppe]

ceska, then swap striker to the mask

[neat girder]

So cesta chest piece and striker mask k

[hexed steppe]

challenging countdown is solid for new agents. 4 ppl can be carried in a countdown run and it would be successful . just follow the pack and shoot things 👍

[neat girder]

K

[hexed steppe]

yeah, if you maintained 200 stacks regularly then striker chest wouldnt be bad, but its rare to need 200 stacks for normal stuff. ceska with obliterate would start being procced the same time as striker stacks are stacking.

just realized this was for a dz build, advice was for pve. disregard my last

[neat girder]

So

[tulip charm]

Nah it applies to pvp aswell dw

[neat girder]

Ok

Still use deflector shield tho

[subtle bluff]

Uh.. I don't get it. What's the issue with your build for DZ?

[tulip charm]

Absolutely not

Cursader is a big if aswell

[neat girder]

So if not crusader or deflector then what should I do with that skill?

[tulip charm]

most people use decoy and burn/emp sticky

[neat girder]

K thanks

[neat girder]

With obliterate talent?

[tulip charm]

yeah

[neat girder]

K

[tulip charm]

I mean all you're gonna do is farm and have a decent chance at random rouges

[neat girder]

K