td2-build-advice

[onyx sage]

that's why we're giving you feedback

you don't have to play the game as long as we do cuz we figured the hard shit out already

[hexed steppe]

we passing it on to get you up to speed faster

[candid depot]

also, what is DTTooC

[hexed steppe]

damage to targets out of cover

[candid depot]

oh

[hexed steppe]

its a seperate multiplier, as long as the target is out of cover

[candid depot]

ok

what would count as a good one?

[limpid elk]

ive got this until i get a memento bp. sokolov chest and bp, thorn shotty. check that shd 😂 i feel i still do alright. Intimidate on the chest, Adrenaline rush on the bp

[shy willow]

Ceska/grupo intimidate or obliterate

Assuming you're running memento intimidate is great on HF

[shy willow]

Bump it up to challenging and at least get a high end chest😭

[limpid elk]

i do try to run challening for group stuff for sure

[molten thorn]

tbh just make your default difficulty chal so you don't get purple drops

[limpid elk]

ahh ok. yeah, time to put on the big boy pants 😉

[shy willow]

Gotta get there someday may as well be today

[limpid elk]

my big boy pants are also brown, so win win

[hexed steppe]

@candid depot this has some synergy. adreneline rush bag talent keeps intimidate procced and increases damage. memento exo bag, or bloodsucker bag talent also synergize with intimidate.

you could also oblit the chest talent and use wicked as a bag talent for a good increase that procs itself

used you a bit zak, mb 🍻

[limpid elk]

use me at will! lol

this was my guide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEjm5FVfs34

[solar sable]

what tf is that

[limpid elk]

"God Mode HF build"

[hexed steppe]

normal yt build

[limpid elk]

works, and is essentially exactly what's recommended here

[hexed steppe]

@onyx sage , where is the true godmode active build

[solar sable]

just a heads up, please refrain from Division YT
they often spread misinformation and don't give all the details of the conditions the build has to work through

[limpid elk]

and she's pleasant to listen to

[hexed steppe]

i only saw a foundry build, was there multiple setups?

[onyx sage]

@shy willow pls post for me

[versed summit]

Please tell me that isn’t sword gaming

[limpid elk]

lol yes. its fine

[versed summit]

Yeah they’ve probably stolen more content than they’ve made

[hexed steppe]

guys got administrative assistants now 😎

[shy willow]

Behold

[limpid elk]

i linked the wrong one too. but wont bother with it if she's so hated, lol

works for noob me though

[solar sable]

eh

[limpid elk]

theres no such thing as original content anyway

[versed summit]

Blatantly plagiarizing is different

[shy willow]

It's at a point in its life cycle where generally YouTubers just farm content by posting outrageous "builds" and "advice"

[molten thorn]

the problem with youtube builds is they're almost always suboptimal and they all act as if they're the greatest thing that will grace your screen so they can get clicks

[versed summit]

I mean bad YouTubers are one thing, but sword gaming is worse.

[solar sable]

can you put advice between two "", please? lol

[limpid elk]

well, this one happens to be what the non-yt community recommends. i guess i didnt research where it originally came from . i DO know it's working great for me

[shy willow]

That's a name I haven't heard yet

[shy willow]

There's a spreadsheet pinned here if you haven't checked it out

[subtle bluff]

No. I've only been playing for a year but have learned a lot and I try to teach to the people that want to learn. This is an outdated builder but
This is your build
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwdgtMYKxgjGAGRympe1AuKM30rAMxokQYqYAsuy8lcCNpzFhAbGYXOS71UlyTxePDJkIBOMIO4i5iTLAmR6lKRPCwESCQA4wEqc0zy+pnpjYnRJa6aA

And here's a HF build that synergy with Chatterbox
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwBgtAzG4IxgTNJ4XLSgXBOio7AJwDs6pqm84uY+EAbGY5jFFLEx5qJEnOZ+iwEe7fmKYYYBRMDDBhxGiHAEAHIWFiM4ncm0CtdfbswnkQA

[shy willow]

Has basically everything you could need

[candid depot]

Thanks

[subtle bluff]

That's a generated voice.

[limpid elk]

yep, the spreadsheet says the same as the video

[hexed steppe]

all good tbh, most of the time people use either our guides or yt as a starting point. as long as you understand the synergy youll get closer to the metas regarless of where you start

[shy willow]

^ honestly once you get a general idea of how stuff works you can start putting together coherent stuff without needing to read guides

[limpid elk]

i do appreciate the info on sword. i'll be going with the info available here first in the futer

future? yeah that

[subtle bluff]

If you're not willing to read and learn div will not be fun at the end game. GJ getting here but try to do better.
To be blunt you seem like someone that didn't want to read but will try to ask question.

[candid depot]

i js checked the build that you sent, and when I get the mask, backpack and chestpeice i'll try it out

[limpid elk]

yeah, that's one thing about these builds, they require a good bit of farming to get the exotics. im slotting in the alternates until then. memento is a goal, chatterbox is a goal

hence the two piece sokolov, since im going smg

[solar sable]

chatterbox is crunchy (in a good way ofc)

[shy willow]

A lot of them aren't needed but there's a handful that are quite powerful

[limpid elk]

smg/shotty. glad i have the Thorn at least

[shy willow]

The good thing is once you have one you can reroll it s

[subtle bluff]

Chatterbox can be a fun gun but it's not good really,

[shy willow]

It lives for when it can get high stacks

[subtle bluff]

We all do. I mean now we can run has a 2nd with Lex for spawn camps for fun.

[subtle bluff]

Naw.. OG here.

[hexed steppe]

both these guys do deeper dives into builds if interested in learning some of the deeper considerations when theory crafting. hope it helps
https://www.youtube.com/@DodRegnbue
https://www.youtube.com/@ikia

[solar sable]

finally some good div ytbers

[molten thorn]

is there a rifle build that's actually good or is that a pipe dream

[hexed steppe]

there are a few out there for sure

[solar sable]

aces maybe?

[subtle bluff]

I have one. I need to make a post with it. It'll almost keep up with Hotshot.

[hexed steppe]

high end, negotiators dilemma what i would lean towards

[subtle bluff]

Maybe its time to make content!

[molten thorn]

is this like a 1886 rifle or like a artists tool rifle build

[hexed steppe]

have you messed around with evernote yet?

[subtle bluff]

1886 1shot

[subtle bluff]

ya... That's one of doing it.. I'm trying to help this dev out with this app

[hexed steppe]

oh nice

[ebon sapphire]

Artists tool , ninja bike, 3 pc aces, overlord and sp zoo

[subtle bluff]

An ok rifle build that's different is OD with Sadist Rifle.

[bleak sequoia]

MrCHow what screenshot is that from

is that a tool

[subtle bluff]

It's being worked on

[bleak sequoia]

looks awesome

[subtle bluff]

Needs a lot before we can let it out

It's the Dev's from MX/GitHub build

[hexed steppe]

good deal. ss from the tool or just an edit?

[bleak sequoia]

so helpful for newbs. I look at builds and I'm like, ok, I need to get a anchor, and a mountain, and a set of squiggly thing

[subtle bluff]

Yeah I know. I'm trying to dev with the idea of it being the one stop shop for all info for builds and not having to use all theses different websites and spreadsheets.

[subtle bluff]

It's like the MX builder just better coded.

[hexed steppe]

cool, let me know when its out. itll be a good way of visually showing the attributes needed

[magic pilot]

Rifle

[molten thorn]

alright I have to ask because it's you posting it. is this for pve?

[tulip charm]

Yeah its one shot ver

Another “rifle” build is od

Way better than aces

[subtle bluff]

OD is a crit. There's one that does more than that one.

[rich schooner]

is this fine for the basic red build

i dont think its on the sheet but it looks decent

[urban latch]

Clutch is pretty trash

[rich schooner]

i was gonna recal the armor regen but i can recal that

what talent should i replace with

was thinking versatile im running thorn and a chatterbox

[tulip charm]

Imo I would just find another backpack.

[rich schooner]

thats the thing i have NO providence targets anywhere

[tulip charm]

Just do countdown

[rustic musk]

countdown or summit

imo vigilance is the best backpack role for a dps build

this is the build i’m working on making for dps, i have 4/6 of the main gear pieces. missing the holster and vest. technically have the holster buts its a red core not blue

[low narwhal]

ooo damn! v nice SMG. i'd advice to keep it as flatine and change Health Damage to Damage to Target out of Cover.

actually nvm. You can't use this for HB so no point keeping flatline, you should change the talent instead

[devout iris]

Any talent should I have on my determined harvest build?

[fresh fox]

use brazen on the acs instead

[low narwhal]

HH on chest?

[devout iris]

Yeah but should I use the named one or have HH on a providence

Cause I'm not sure if I should have just HSD and CHC on my build

[shy willow]

Just use chainkiller

[fresh fox]

what he said

providence headhunter isn’t worth it

[devout iris]

But what attributes should I have on my gear to get headshots every time?

[fresh fox]

headshot damage

[devout iris]

Oh ok cause I was thinking of adding CHD for more up close

[onyx sage]

you use a shotgun or pistol if you're up close

[nova shoal]

time to farm countdown for a backpack XD

[low narwhal]

Enjoy xD

[nova shoal]

wish i could XD

[sullen sun]

Does trauma work in PvP?

[devout iris]

I only use my mop or diamond back if my harvest runs dry

[low narwhal]

think so, i seen some pvp builds w it. But im not sure since i dont really play pvp

[broken edge]

Dont spam multiple channels

[bleak sequoia]

Are Sawyer's Knees good for maybe a support healer who stays in the back and tries to snipe headshots for Reformation?

got one today and not sure what to do with it. Seems bad for general DPS roles since it glues you to one spot

[tulip charm]

No

[onyx sage]

you don't even need reformation either

you don't need to do more healing in this game

[bleak sequoia]

ah ok so Sawyers is just bad for everything then

[tulip charm]

The only build that can utilize it is one shots and pesti but is still clucky to use

[light grove]

It’s good for staying in one spot. Something that.. isn’t easy to do in this game.

[bleak sequoia]

into the stash forever then...

[tulip charm]

Basically

[onyx sage]

you can make it more useful tho

[low narwhal]

I read that sawyers are used more to not get staggered by the explosions, rather than dmg buff they give. Maybe in like tank builds i guess

[tulip charm]

Stagger is whatever if you could survive in as a tank but I don’t play tanks to understand

[bleak sequoia]

didn't even know you can tank in this game. Will have to look it up

[light grove]

Explosion resistance from sawyers and demolitionist also outright negates the damage of the explosion

Or.. at least demo does. I’m still trying to remember if sawyers did.

If you can think of situations where you can sit still and shoot, those are the exact moments sawyers gets the benefit. Anything out of that and the talent is useless to you.

[low narwhal]

its lowkey a nice equipment to use. Hopefully i find some use for it someday xD. Tried it once during legendary and not staggering was quite cool but i didnt find it effective.

[bleak sequoia]

would be better if it was red attributes I think. If you can sit still then you're not in danger and armor isn't needed

as it is, it gives up too many red slots for a very situational up to 30% damage buff which I think is additive, the math doesn't math at all

like ZB said I think the only property worth thinking about is not staggering on explosions, but you have to survive the blast and have a healer heal you back up if you're just going to sit there and eat it

[low narwhal]

I dont think I sit still anywhere apart from in legendaries and even then, still slightly moving. I think if it could be effetive, then only in legendaries tbh.

All the other places, there are not as much bombing I think

[light grove]

I can imagine quite a few just on missions and control points alone. If you’re farming countdown or summit though, that probably won’t work.

Also, Sawyers is Total Weapon Damage.

[bleak sequoia]

Total Weapon Damage = multiplier after bonuses?

[low narwhal]

maybe 4 stack legendary summit might work. i havent played that in a long time, but we used to sit in a room and let drones do the work i guess

[bleak sequoia]

as in, literally 30% more damage?

[light grove]

The only time you have to add in damage for sawyers is if you’re combining it with a backpack talent such as vigilance.

[bleak sequoia]

not like Fenris or whatever which says 10% but that's actually like 3% more DPS?

[light grove]

Anything that says “Total Weapon Damage”

Sawyers used to be the way sniper builds one shot elites with nemesis before headhunter existed and you had to stack both sawyers and Focus.. I feel like a fossil

[broken edge]

I think first solo legendary clear had sawyers in a shotgun build

[thick fossil]

Can anyone link me or tell me some great skill builds for.
Using seekers unsure what i want to use with it for other skills, could be hive or turret or!?

Happy to use Ar, Lmg, and possibly rifles

[tulip charm]

Pinned comments has some

[paper rover]

Any other gear have incoming repairs besides richter&kaiser?

[versed summit]

Belstone Armory 3 pc, and 5.11 Tactical 2 pc. it's mostly a mid stat though, what are you trying to use it for?

[rich lotus]

It’s underrated

😎

[paper rover]

Wanna build a tank for legendary missions. Armor regen, hazard protection, 6 blue core. Just want a little incoming repairs and explosive resistance. Richter is with blue atts seems impossible lol

Using catharsis also.

[dreamy valve]

I don't get the obsession with Catharsis

That and Ninjabike Backpack

But I guess thats how people feel about using blue cores

[versed summit]

good for PvP. mid for pve

[versed summit]

incoming won't help you there tbh

but tanks are just not good for legendary anyways

[paper rover]

Is there a better option? Still getting a feel for building

[paper rover]

Well back to the drawing board. Thanks for help

[dreamy valve]

what you trying to do with the loadout

[paper rover]

Tank for leg missions but was told it's not that good so starting over

[dreamy valve]

I'd rather everyone do damage, but I found that using foundry bulwark set to be highly survivable

I tend to go for regen % for the self sufficiency

[paper rover]

K thanks. I'll search for a viable damage build

[slim widget]

Search for LMG, SMG Build

[tulip charm]

Pinned comments

[subtle bluff]

So the thing in lego mission is you need DPS or you will get swarmed by everything. You can have a support build in a team. The thing with tanks is what I like to call them is either:
Selfish tank - One that just survives thru everything normally a Foundry Bulwark build using either a chest or backpack.
Support Tank build PFE normally - One that goes into the backline to kill or destory backpacks and/or can buffs the team

[candid depot]

Which is a better build, image 1 or image 2?

[subtle bluff]

Here we go again...

What do you mean by better

[candid depot]

like better ttk or something

[subtle bluff]

Left. 1

[candid depot]

not asking for opinions on change

[candid depot]

ok, thanks

[versed gull]

right

[broken edge]

Personally would go for 1

As in first screenshot

[versed gull]

just kidding.

[solar sable]

first of all, nbb is a newbie trap
second, is that for pvp?

[subtle bluff]

Trust me... We attempt to go over this yesterday with him.

[candid depot]

no, I don't like to play pvp

[solar sable]

bru

[candid depot]

yea they did

[fresh fox]

so why ask again

same stuff will happen

[limpid elk]

its like asking, do you want a wooden stick in your eye or a fork? both are bad. i'd take the fork though. might not break off when it's pulled out 🤣 . the community recommends not sticking things in my eye? NO! i insist on doing this myself!

[magic pilot]

Those look like pvp builds but with red cores

[rich lotus]

He’s SHD 200 give him a break

At least he’s not running a KARD custom like 90% of the NPC’s I inspect..

[slim widget]

Its cleary impossible to get a Screenshot?

[rich lotus]

What are you asking

[limpid elk]

this was a trauma response from yesterday when they wouldn't accept advice

[rich lotus]

I mean at SHD 200 what he has going is better than most players. At least he understands synergy; it may not be optimal but again he is inexperienced so he will be caught off guard more often and DPS won’t save him there.

It would be different at 1k+ SHD although with all the XP events the bar has become super low for competency

[limpid elk]

and now today, they specifically said not to give advice, just say which is better, stick or fork

im also new, at 207 SHD. so, i take advice and read guides

[fresh fox]

well supposedly they gave him advice already and nothing has changed

[hexed steppe]

I used to use sawyers in mmr builds. It's lsaves you static if trying to utilize, but it does outweigh any red core item you use in its spot. The problem with then is not moving, not the damage it provides.
Sawyers is total weapon damage so not additive to your cores. Additive with vigilance if using.

I dont recommend, but they can be used for a pretty significant boost

[subtle bluff]

It's a try it if you want. 4pc Hotshot isn't bad. Me and my buddy in TU20 I think we used Sawyers for Lego for the dmg but that would be the only place we would need the extra damage.

[hexed steppe]

I used before hotshot existed. It added like 1mil to my top end so was ok. Once you can 1 shot without them they just become irrelevant. I could see them doing well on a pesti build tho tbh

[bleak sequoia]

so my drops today were DiamondBack, Acosta's Go Bag, Sawyers, and Imperial Dynasty. Starting to think that most exotics are junk.

[hexed steppe]

Considering this started yesterday as a ninja true patriot build, the 1st image is a significant improvement. you'll want to get rid of catharsis tho. Catharsis involves you taking hits to improve its damage, but there is a good chance you'll be on the floor before you take enough damage for the mask to be worth. Replace with coyote exotic or ceska/grupo (depending on your chc).

More than welcome to post builds and get feedback, but that feedback will be critical if the build is falling short of the mark. If you want a pat on the back for subpar builds, this isnt the place. If you want to actually improve your builds, youll need to realize the criticism isnt personal. Its aimed at improving the build.

[onyx sage]

you might be onto something...

[candid depot]

ok, i'll change it

[hexed steppe]

Definitly in a better place 💯

[fluid sage]

What are some builds you run with ravenous. I use umbra and point break.

[light grove]

Just a normal rifle build…

[subtle bluff]

Ravenous isn't really use in normal play it's worth the effort. It's on a 2nd to deal with armored units.

[light grove]

So what’s a first for armored units

[subtle bluff]

Dogs and Chunga..

[bleak sequoia]

is there a limit to the Ninjabike wildcard ability? Like if I put on 5 different brands will I get the second tier of every brand?

[hexed steppe]

yeah. itll unlock 1 tier on every other piece you are wearing... but generally even 5 unlocks will fall short of 1 highend backpack talent

youll just have to compare what you get unlocked, to what youll be missing if ninja is used. i genuinely feel like people that use ninja really dont understand the value of what they are losing

[bleak sequoia]

ok. Seems very complicated, definitely not a beginner piece

need to find a gear set that doesn't have a good backpack talent, and then two other brands with very good 2nd piece bonuses

[hexed steppe]

its a noob trap , 💯
it seems like it does a lot, but really most of its unlocks are really of no importance

you would be better off with memento than ninja, and even memento falls short of backpack damage talents.

it doesnt even matter if say a gearset has a bad backpack talent, because highend fits there ... no matter how you slice it, ninja is just a bad piece with a lot of hype

[bleak sequoia]

yeah no matter how you slice or dice it, you're down one armor talent

[light grove]

Like, the backpack talent has to be useless enough for you to use ninjabike.. there are however very (and I mean very) few niche cases where it will beat out having a backpack talent… but you would need some build shenanigans to really bring it about.

[hexed steppe]

something like memento on the other hand has a pretty substantial return as a trade off for losing a highend or gearset bag talent
Cores and long buff only (at full stacks) represent:
-45% weapon damage
-2 shield tiers
-free armor and skill core
-30% skill damage
-30% status effects
-30% skill duration
-30% skill health
-30% skill haste
-30% skill repair
-# skill buckets™️
-3% armor regen

[light grove]

And in those cases… it’s a lot less tried and true.

[hexed steppe]

i have doubt any pve build benefits from ninja

pvp there is some use, but its a way different build theory

[shy willow]

PvP and Diag are like the only times I've seen it used

[tulip charm]

Diag?

[onyx sage]

diagnostics in williams

to increase hazpro

[light grove]

It’s rare. I know of at least one though. You have to go hybrid enough to make most backpack options not worth it. There is a very weird hybrid build for red yellow that can actually do serious work with Ninja bike over using solely TWD or TSD. Pain in the ass to farm for though since you’re double crit on pieces that have a much smaller chance of getting them 🫠

Farming it is probably the best reason for it to be not worth it

[hexed steppe]

hit me with the build. im interested in testing it out. farming isnt an issue, ill throw 10 optimizations per attribute if i need to 💯

tbf, i dont see it as possible. youll get more hybrid out of memento specifically from the skill efficiency

[light grove]

I’ve felt Memento was really only strong in comparison to backpack talents if you could get the short term buffs often. If you’re using a build that can’t get close other options have always been better.

I guess in comparison to Ninjabike, it could definitely fly ontop if you could keep getting them.

But.. for a build that wouldn’t be tanky? I wouldn’t think so.

[hexed steppe]

long buff is pretty strong regardless. i dont see ninja even outweighing long buff only

but it doesnt matter if you have no build to test 💯

[light grove]

2 empress, picaros, ninjabike. Next two could variable to what you need ( I used 1 belstone and Hana u in this case) using crit hit and crit damage. Where you would have WH, slap in skill damage instead. You’ll get stuck with capacitor and glass cannon.

[subtle bluff]

@hexed steppe to your mortar build in general.

[hexed steppe]

utilizing perfect precision strike, right 👍

[tulip charm]

Oh

I mean can’t you already hit full haz pro easily?

[hexed steppe]

you mean something like this 😉 .
tier 6 skills, 38% in all skill buckets +watch +cap stacked 60% sd, 70%wd + whatever cap gives, like 45%wd on 6 skilltiers .
this is assuming all stacked, which its pretty easy to stack... 1 trophy every 5 mins after that for memento

[subtle bluff]

I should try it this way

But then I just think strikers.

[light grove]

That’s pretty much the way I had it before ninjabike existed.

If I did t know any better, that looked like the technician red yellow hybrid guide I had before I took it off of the spreadsheet

[hexed steppe]

idk, its definitely my own independently. not too much is original at this point tho. ive always been a hound for memento and skill efficiency

even running memento eclipse

[light grove]

Hell no, I remember talking to you about it. Ninjabike started that conversation too.

Well shit.

(Granted, that was a long time ago. Like.. … Achilles pulse release old)

[hexed steppe]

im not sure im off, but double check im not missing a ninja unlock.

2 empress
picaros
belstone
Hana u ```

[light grove]

Yeah. Though I did forget about the nerfs.

I’ll scrap it. The hit to efficiency and picaros I think kills the advantage enough.

It didn’t have any to begin with will probably be the next thing talked about. I think ima go to sleep and stop being drunk

[hexed steppe]

this is where/when i put mine together, scroll up a smidge. sparked from another agents skill/crit drop. it actually has the crit stats, but this is before ceska/picaros nerf so slightle less chc and damage #td2-build-advice message

nah you good 🍻

[subtle bluff]

same

[hexed steppe]

solid performance on that mortar btw

[dreamy valve]

Hollywood can’t come soon enough. I’ve already been annoying groups with 5 second cluster bomb spam since the buff to Hardwired

[shy willow]

I thought you didn't raid🧐

[dreamy valve]

Memento is under utilized compared to Ninjabag according to the general player population is concerned. People are unironically sleeping on the older exotic just because it doesn’t grant immediate rewards to using it

[rich lotus]

Guys do you remember Eph 🥹

[light grove]

(Can’t sleep) yes.

[light grove]

That’s a little bit surprising…. But true nonetheless. Dying with it also doesn’t help with all the stacks getting lost so.

[dreamy valve]

I guess the ninjabag is also just easier to use and understand in its own respect

It’s open to more loadout playstyles

Memento is more of a veteran’s bag with deeper potential

[hexed steppe]

thats fair. a lot of people that do use it dont get the purpose of memento outside of survivability because regen/bonus armor

[subtle bluff]

One of my last 2 season build while on striker and memento I could 1 vs 1 Lego Chunga without having to use cover or shooting he chain off was because Yellow memento part is good.

[rustic grotto]

is this some kind like a bug ?

[rustic musk]

have you checked the elevator

[subtle bluff]

Kind of the wrong channel this is for builds but I don’t understand the issue

[hexed steppe]

you can head back the way you came and be right in that area. vile mask and jammer can reach through the walls , or oxi

its common

[patent fossil]

Yeah oxi from the room underneath is the usual solution

[sly gulch]

WONY Rerun: Theatre Settlement vendor has 10% level 31 PFE mods

[onyx sage]

my uncles did

[trim wedge]

What’s the best way to farm for capacitor?

Just summit n targeted loot

[patent fossil]

For your first one, do 5 summit challenges and it's a guaranteed reward

After that, countdown is better (more loot drops and you can buy exotic caches)

[trim wedge]

Awesome thank you ! I’m returning after 3 years and my skill dmg build is far behind meta

Finally got my striker built up to meta

Now skill need perfecting

[magic pilot]

before my time

[frigid finch]

is st elmos engine still one of the best for striker build? Been googling but, can't really find anything recent for dps builds. Came across a reddit that said either that or the ourobouros or whatever from incursion

[solar sable]

Lexington is way better than elmos rn

oreo was top smg last season, but iirc smg 9 is even more powerful than oreo atm

[frigid finch]

the free one they give you thats lvl 10?

how do i get that to lvl 40? unless there is a different one

[broken edge]

Well its at the level your character was

DPS list hasnt shifted drasticly or anything

Elmo is still good enough and ouroboros still pretty strong

[frigid finch]

ah rip then for lexington

is the only way to get elmo to do assault rifle loot and hope it drops? OR just farm countdown til i get it from exotic cache?

[broken edge]

Both pretty much, any loot source works

[magic pilot]

Famas is best for dmg if you don't have Lexington

Ouro still beats out the other smgs

Chatter with max stacks is higher but isn't consistent and lady death is lady death

Same for backfire

[frigid finch]

im new to endgame. is this just a normal famas thats high end?

[onyx sage]

yes, with a good talent

[frigid finch]

I have the obliterate talent on my fenris chest. Rest of my armor is striker. Don't know what i need for mask. 1 post i saw said coyote mask

[onyx sage]

that is correct

also don't use fenris, use ceska if you have it

[frigid finch]

is ceska an exotic? or just another gear set?

[onyx sage]

no it's another brand

just like fenris

[frigid finch]

ok well i can farm it really quick and put obliterate on it

[fallen garnet]

its there any tanky build with dmg?

or better question, wich set i need to look for that?

[onyx sage]

heartbreaker

[hexed steppe]

Elmo never really was the strongest ar, but it is absolutely viable on a dps build.
It' still has great mods and stability. It's pretty much a laser.

Makes a nice backup on my hotshot build. It can take advantage of the weapon handling and high headshot damage to beam heads if you get overrun

[magic pilot]

Blue striker

[light grove]

Do you intend on sitting back and shooting or running in like a madlad?

[frigid finch]

is this the famas that is the best assault rifle for dps?

and if so... what talent should be on it?

[subtle bluff]

HB!

[subtle bluff]

That and F2000.
Also Best on paper. It's like saying a F1 car is the fastest car but not everyone can drive it the fastest.

Not the same but the idea.

[magic pilot]

I like famas now for the crit balance

And f2k lost the 10 rounds extra it had

[frigid finch]

what talent do you typically want for those ARs?

[wicked chasm]

Quick question, can I post a screenshot of my gear and weapons here, to see if I can solo the two hunters near the Outcast stronghold?

[urban latch]

Depends what your looking for/preference, but strained, fast hands, killer, and ranger are all really solid options.

[subtle bluff]

It's players choice. IMO nothing is standouts being better than the other one.
Measured, Strained, Killer, Ranger are all good DPS stuff.
Fast Hands, Flatline, Sadist are all imo build depended.

[subtle bluff]

I should say the Shield Splinterer here but ya I agree with your statement.

[wicked chasm]

Alright, so I have Diamondback, Dark Winter, Burza Breather, NinjaBike Backpack, "Pointblank" Vest, Savanna Field, Deadeye Holster, and Hotshot Knee pads. Can I tango with some hunters using this?

[fresh fox]

with a bit of struggle probably

[magic pilot]

Personally would go HF with foam and Scorpio

Maybe banshee pulse or firewall shield depending on spec

[fresh fox]

what he said

hotshot also isnt doing much here

other than a bunch of weapon handling

[magic pilot]

Chest talent is not ideal

[fresh fox]

also that

another thing dont worry about expertising your armor

[bleak sequoia]

to do heals and damage is it better to do skill damage for the yellows synergy or weapons damage so you can keep both skill slots open for heals?

I'm feeling like the former is a noob trap

and it has to be the latter

[onyx sage]

uhhh first off why do you want to do both heal and damage

and second, you might already be thinking of red FI

[urban latch]

Is it possible, sure. People have duo'ed legendary with level 1 grey armor. But is that build a coherent build, no.

[urban latch]

Be really good at one thing instead of half assing multiple.

[bleak sequoia]

Well the reason is because I don't know what healers actually do. I just thought minmaxing skill repair to what feels like the +300% theoretical upper range is overhealing when most of the rest of the group has low HP pools. TD2 doesn't have an aggro magnet mechanic that lends itself very well to the whole "tank with massive HP pool backed by healers" concept that's common in MMOs. So I was just thinking how a healing function would be able to be more useful in a party. It's likely that my ignorance comes from more of a "I don't know how to play the role" than a "I don't know how to build the role" issue.

[onyx sage]

you're correct on the fact that you don't need to heal more in this game, therefore a healer's role is more like you heal when someone is hurt, but then the rest of your "build budget" goes into utility and support instead. indeed, if you take a look at Future Initiative you begin to see how it's not just a healer set: its biggest value comes from the damage buff it gives to your team. if you look at the build guide for it in the sheet you'll find it uses opportunistic and btsu for debuffing and giving team utility as well when that budget could have gone into more healing which isn't needed.

[magic pilot]

Healers use perfect opportunistic over safeguard or any other talent really because it offers easy team dmg buff since you can heal well over 900k (full red build armor) without needing to stack a ton of repair skills

[fresh fox]

those who use fi bag: 💀 🗿 🗿 🗿 🍷

[subtle bluff]

@rich lotus told me when I was new that's it's' ok to use...... 🙃

[fresh fox]

yea its for true CHAMPS.

only champs.

[rich lotus]

??

It literally has use cases

[subtle bluff]

I know. It's was a good reason to say your name.

[fresh fox]

champs dont do incursions or dark hours or open world or legendary and only do iron horse

and only on morozova

thats where the champs are located

[magic pilot]

Breh

[fresh fox]

just sayin

[lost wren]

?

or this?

@magic pilot ?

[magic pilot]

lol just pulled one from winter event hard task

[magic pilot]

this one im pretty sure

even if they had same cores i think 2 walker beats fenris

[lost wren]

oh really?

[magic pilot]

yea was testing the other day

[lost wren]

cool
all i need is a matador with chc and chd to swap to blue core

[magic pilot]

i just pulled one lol

[lost wren]

a taste of my luck

been farming all day with no luck

[tulip charm]

Farming a matador?

Gotta get on that decent grind

[magic pilot]

^

this is probably the second matador ive ever pulled double crit

and i have almost 3k hours

[lost wren]

70k damage at base is kinda sad

[lost wren]

@magic pilot is the damage outside of expertise soley given from catharsis stacks?

like, damage before dta and dttooc

[magic pilot]

catharsis, brands like fenris, walker etc, the roll on the gun, expertise and some talents like optimist are all WD

[subtle bluff]

Expertise on Weapons is WD, Armor is Armor and only skills are different.

[lost wren]

also just got myself this

any builds i should use it for?

[tulip charm]

Dps build

For pvp its just a replacement for catharsis if you want more damage

[hexed steppe]

not max rolled, decon /j

[lost wren]

true

[bleak sequoia]

so the Future Initiative +25% bonus damage, the Technician +10% to pulsed enemies, and (perfectly) opportunistic +10% (+15%), do they all stack? So theoretically a healer could just keep his group topped up on health and tag a bunch of enemies with a MMR and the laser pointer and they all just start taking +50% damage from all player sources?

[hexed steppe]

good piece. youll want 4 if you plan on using all your agents down the road

[magic pilot]

uhhh that pulse thing is for OC not technician

[hexed steppe]

you would use survivalist so when you hit npcs with scorpio, your team geets another 10% amp against them

[magic pilot]

ideally you would use scorpio and lefty

[hexed steppe]

that type of debuff stacking can work on ongoing directive, and cc eclipse as well as fi

[bleak sequoia]

oh damn I got my specialist skills all mixed up. Yeah technician doesn't get bonus damage just from their laser pointer, dunno what I was thinking of

[hexed steppe]

you would use tech if using spotter or heartbreaker

[magic pilot]

pulse OC gives an amp

[hexed steppe]

also some fi applications with tech because of the faraday field , but generally survivalist is the best for those types of builds

[bleak sequoia]

yes, scorpio with its +20%, and then survivalist +10% because the poison is a status effect.

[magic pilot]

secret sauce

[hexed steppe]

get that spider shit out of there

keep that a secret

[bleak sequoia]

what's an OC

and what's that spider talent

[magic pilot]

overcharge

[bleak sequoia]

ahh

[magic pilot]

its perfect creeping death

[hexed steppe]

and the other status scorpio gives. also the fire nade is best for proccing sledgehammer. you can keep prooccing on npc the entire time its burning, not just initial blast

[hexed steppe]

why on fi? i dont even use it on cc eclipse . running foam ig

[magic pilot]

its FI rolled status, so no extra spread from eclipse

[tulip charm]

🤔

[magic pilot]

decent heals, still get OC and your HHers get some TWD

and some other buffs

[hexed steppe]

the big question is, why?

[magic pilot]

super coordinated runs

[onyx sage]

role consolidation

it's the same reason you run red FI and you don't even heal anyone

[hexed steppe]

im guessing you stay oin lefty then. dont want scorp eating your proc

[bleak sequoia]

so the Creeping death is to spread the effects from the Scorpio?

[onyx sage]

from the skills mostly

[magic pilot]

foam

[bleak sequoia]

oh that's a foam launcher

[onyx sage]

scorpio isn't that great of a status applier

[tulip charm]

Yeah dont worry about that build

Its super nerd shit

[magic pilot]

its basically a combination of 2 builds

[bleak sequoia]

wait foam is a status effect?

[onyx sage]

yes

ensnare is the actual name

you've probably seen it

[bleak sequoia]

so effectively it increases the foam radius by 5m?

[onyx sage]

no, it increases the duration

[magic pilot]

this would be the standard crowd control build

[onyx sage]

oh you mean the backpack talent, yeah

[magic pilot]

so you can kinda see how the 2 builds are mashed together

foam and emp sticky

[hexed steppe]

all these are different status

[onyx sage]

emp sticky on left my goat...

[tulip charm]

sticky is always on the left

[onyx sage]

i need that photo of emp sticky and decoy on all teammates

[magic pilot]

sticky is left to make it easy to long deploy decoy

[magic pilot]

optimal team comp if no CC lol

[hexed steppe]

10m, from the application point. if used with eclipse it can also proc when an npc dies/spreads status. perfect scenario where everything is ready to proc could see you spread foam 25m from an npc death

[bleak sequoia]

cool, I will practice with a CC build before I try to hybrid with a healing build

[hexed steppe]

make it like this, but with status rolls instead of hazpro rolls and your team will love you long time

[fallen garnet]

its for a friend, running

he is so crazy

[low narwhal]

I use somewhat of a tanky build w dmg. 4pc HB, Vigilance Backpack preferably Ceska and Centurion scabbard. All rolled to red and CHC/CHD I think. Maybe i can swap one for blue core, im still in the process of adjusting it and 3 PFE mods on it. I find coyote mask instead of centurion scabbard to be slightly weaker to my taste.

I use lexington and vector both high rpm.. and it shreds

the bonus armor protects vigilance but if its not suitable you can either swap to unstoppable force or clutch.

i tried out clutch but dont think it was fast enough to heal me. maybe ill try out unstoppable force soon.

[rustic grotto]

i dunno what dmg to armor is

[low narwhal]

its usually in the place where you see 10% magazine size in the 2nd image. its another attribute just like that

[rustic grotto]

ahh wrong picture

but does it good?

[low narwhal]

damage to target out of cover better

[low narwhal]

but it is good also i guess

[rustic grotto]

im trying to buld a hbreaker set

its kinda miss alot of damage

[low narwhal]

convert all the blue to red 15% weapon dmg core xD

momento giving you 1 armor core

and use something different from backfire. Like lexington or St Elmo

dont think you need ACS shotgun also

and HB goes well with technician linked laser

so if you put technician specialisation on with linked laser pointer on, you will always pulse enemy

[rustic grotto]

yea letme try that

[low narwhal]

Lexington and vector good choices as both can have linked laser pointer

[rustic grotto]

xDDD

5d on countdown

[low narwhal]

ooo v nice!

but backpack not as good

better memento or gold backpack with talent

[rustic grotto]

it flexible

that cool to me

and is there any way to max this mod?

[patent fossil]

You can't optimise mods, need to farm a max one

[low narwhal]

yes, but its like a trap. For example, 4 piece striker w ninja backpack. You are missing out on 0.3% extra dmg each stack so around 30% at 100 stacks or 60% at 200 stacks. Just so you can get like say 10% CHC from like providence or like 1.5% armor regen from smt else. Its not worth the trade.

for Heartbreaker with ninja its okay, but like vigilance or unstoppable force provides extra 30% dmg which is better than that

Trust me, i ran HB w ninja and when i started using vigilance, i noticed the difference. the dmg output w ninja is very average.

but you can use it and learn later if you still wanna use it xD After all its a game xD

[rustic grotto]

xD

i saw some guide around with NB

[low narwhal]

Sometimes guides are made to get views from people who dont know much about the game xD Not all guides are helpful xD

[rustic grotto]

like the 100% hazard to full immune with the blood lost on backfire

xD

[low narwhal]

I think ninja is used for builds like that

but not for DPS

so that build is decent actually

[rustic grotto]

yea

[low narwhal]

but idk if you lose 200% crit dmg after reload. If so, maybe shit unless you have extended mag lol

[rustic grotto]

because i just got the backfire with mg to target out cover

fak i should take the roll on elmo

[low narwhal]

get it on everything xD

[light grove]

The quickest you could get to close range damage and tanky is Hunters fury gearset with Belstone chest and Memento. If SMG, Obliterate is good. If shotgun, can use vanguard with shield or Unbreakable.

[rustic grotto]

yea

i got all the exotic i want rn

so the next thing i have to maxed out all the library

[low narwhal]

excellent idea!

and donate junk to expertise

so you can level up expertise too!

[rustic grotto]

yeah im also on it

im stuck at the st elmo lv1 expertise

all the junk i just deconstruct them

xddd

[low narwhal]

ahh no worries. Expertise not that important until you are doing legendary

but even then you can still do legendary without expertise

its just extra bonus, when you know your kit is right!

[light grove]

Well, if you’ve been deconstructing junk for a while, that must’ve included mods. You can donate printer filament to your St. Elmo proficiency without consequence.

[low narwhal]

i'd save printer filament for recal tbh xD

[patent fossil]

Save it for stuff that's difficult to level manually, like enforcer, stinger, dz-locked gear etc

[pseudo charm]

I farmed CD for items that I needed to get proficient in. Then farmed gear mods/skill mods to deconstruct for printer filament.

Putting expertise on a weapon is great. At 15, it's kinda like another weapon core. Combined with putting expertise on armor (although expensive) is also good, because you can then switch out blue cores for red cores, since your TTK should get quicker.

It's different for everyone based on what they're comfortable with but I expertise my armor to get to 800k armor (which is like having 40% of a blue core on a full red build).

[fresh fox]

the armor expertise isn’t that worth it though

it’s only an extra blue core worth at like 26 on all 6 pieces

and that is really really expensive

[shy willow]

Realistically expertise only matters on HH builds and in the dark zone

Armour expertise is never worth

[bleak sequoia]

what is a HH build

[low narwhal]

Headhunter build, where you have a chest piece with talent Headhunter.

used for either Pistols or MMR

Usually chainkiller is used (perfect version)

[bleak sequoia]

hmm wow you have to be accurate, basically never miss

[low narwhal]

well it also can be used w shotguns also

so that is easier to hit, but yes headshots only

for the most effective use of HH

[versed summit]

Determined makes it to where you don’t have to chain headshots

[bleak sequoia]

is it the one that makes a body shot into a head shot

[versed summit]

Yep

[trim wedge]

Best talent out rn for 1 shot build

[versed summit]

Pretty broken

[primal vessel]

cool?

[fresh fox]

use fi holster

use btsu gloves

use alps bag instead

or get a unicorn “The Setup” Uzina bag with Perfect Opportunistic

[primal vessel]

what abt second weapon and its talent

[fresh fox]

lefty

with perfect sledge

[primal vessel]

why sledge tho

[fresh fox]

its good for team buffing

nothing else to run either

[primal vessel]

what brand is btsu

[low narwhal]

wdym what brand

its an exotic glove

BTSU data glove i think

[primal vessel]

oh

[bleak sequoia]

I have a The Setup with Skill Haste, and a useless blue attribute, should I reroll the core or the minor attribute?

I'm thinking minor attribute -> Skill Repair probably right. Then run Technician for +1 Skill Tier

[onyx sage]

that works

[bleak sequoia]

since I'm missing one yellow core if I keep the blue

and I have no space for 2 BAs

[median cargo]

Hey folks, played alot of D1 and loved the shield build but I know that got gutted with patches and is now just a shield type in this game, is that a viable build for endgame here in D2?

[fresh fox]

no

it’s good for a bit of added survivability but you aren’t gonna focus on making your shield better

it’s just something you add on

if that makes sense

[median cargo]

yeah i getcha

i like using the AR and sniper, any good builds around those then?

[fresh fox]

those typically use different builds

[subtle bluff]

You can… But I don’t know if it’s the same has D1. It’s playstyle I like to do in Legendary mission or if I’m just in a mood. It’s called “Tech Tank” Look up iKia on yt he has stuff on it.

[median cargo]

ah ty!

[subtle bluff]

His are long format videos but there’s a bit a learning curve but ya GL. Once you watch the video and give it a try and still have question come ping me during the rest of the week and I’ll be willing to helping you with questions or stuff.

[median cargo]

okie doke ty!

[bleak sequoia]

for hotshot + determined, what minor attribute is good? Just go for Headshot Damage all the way and ignore CHC and CHD?

[low narwhal]

yh p much, especially if you have headhunter

[tulip charm]

All headshot including modslots the rest is weapon handling

[bleak sequoia]

ok thanks, just missing the headhunter chest I think. What's the name of the item with Perfect Headhunter?

Chainkiller, ok

WH & co

[subtle bluff]

If you don’t get Chainkiller it’s fine has long has you have HSD or MMR Dmg has the brand set bonus

[bleak sequoia]

basically a good arialdi roll recal to HH would do the trick I guess

[subtle bluff]

It’ll work.

[hexed steppe]

should be able to get chainkiller in a round or 2 of countdown with walker targetted. lots of named drops. perfect gets to cap faster

[nova shoal]

good enough atm

[trim wedge]

Backpack and chest talent?

[nova shoal]

perfect vigilance perfect headhunter

[trim wedge]

Chain killer

[low narwhal]

v nice!

[trim wedge]

What named pack?

[low narwhal]

the gift

[trim wedge]

🤘🏻

[nova shoal]

very fin to one shot

[subtle bluff]

You do not need The Gift for the build to work

[uneven drift]

What is the name of the gear set

Because I am running the Striker gear set

[solar sable]

which one?

[fallen garnet]

do you have a photo of it? to see it visual in inventory

❤️

[uneven drift]

For whatever build you guys are talking about

[nova shoal]

hotdhot for headshot damage

and mmr

[subtle bluff]

It's in the Pin Messages.

[uneven drift]

Am I allowed to post a screenshot of my gear set in this channel

[fallen garnet]

no

ok, yes

[uneven drift]

That's mine currently at this moment

[hexed steppe]

no, just no

make that 3 empress, 2 hanna u, 1 wyvern with kinetic momentum/glass on chest, tech support on bag. skill damage and haste everywhere💯

you only use 4 of the green sets, but that set you have on isnt worth running for any type of skill build

[uneven drift]

Which ones should I run then

[hexed steppe]

the ones mentioned

[uneven drift]

How?

[hexed steppe]

ill show, hold on

[bleak sequoia]

wait why is rigger considered bad?

[hexed steppe]

its not strong, like at all

[uneven drift]

Which one should I run then

[hexed steppe]

typical turret and drone setup would be like this. for easier building the chest and knee would be hanna u . spec is preference if you have 6 skilltiers

this example is giving 20-30% armor on kill

[uneven drift]

What is the name of that gear set

[bleak sequoia]

If you want to look up the name of the set when players post their screenshots you can look at The Spreadsheet (pinned to this channel): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

[uneven drift]

My skilled tears for my drone insert are six

[hexed steppe]

these will be targets. 3 empress, 2 hanna u, 1 wyvern

[bleak sequoia]

what's the Providence chest for?

[trim wedge]

That skill build with all greens is something new, no hate but that’s bad

[hexed steppe]

30% amp instead of 25 with regular glass

[uneven drift]

I'm new to division 2 I just started less than a week ago been playing division 1

[bleak sequoia]

oh it's the named item with perfect glass cannon? And you managed to roll one with two skill attributes. Must have taken a while?

[trim wedge]

The new skill meta is all yellow cores with red attributes

Long as you got the teir 6 your capped run capacitor and crit chance/damage do amazing damage while turret/drone eats away

[uneven drift]

What is the perfect glass cannon

[trim wedge]

Very fun way to play keeps you in the game instead of just waiting for the skills to kill

[hexed steppe]

kinetic or glass for chest, then tech support on bag

[uneven drift]

How do I get those or equip those or find them

[hexed steppe]

the others combined arms and shock and awe are good, but tech mixed with turret drone the best

[trim wedge]

Getting them to drop is very time consuming

[subtle bluff]

Countdown and Summit are your favorite place for Targeted Loot drops

[hexed steppe]

run countdown and select the brand logo as a target. you should also be able to show target loot on the map, but im not sure the button on xb

[trim wedge]

Absolutely

[hexed steppe]

all the items for a basic afk (turret/drone) can be farmed anywhere, and possibly crafted

its also very forgiving if you dont have maxed out attributes

[trim wedge]

AFK super boring tho

[hexed steppe]

depends how you run it ig

[trim wedge]

With the new style you have your teir 6 and all red attributes so you can at least still hit hard and still have turret/drone capped

[hexed steppe]

with retribution you dont need chance on the build 😉

[trim wedge]

but depends on the player I did afk for years only recently switched to the new style

[trim wedge]

I haven’t messed with modifiers yet but I farmed em all

[subtle bluff]

In the Pinned Message are a list of builds if you want to look at them.

[trim wedge]

Rn I’m working on my hotshot

[uneven drift]

Where do I find countdown

[hexed steppe]

you need yourself a mortar build, i can tell 😎

[trim wedge]

I have one

[hexed steppe]

matchmaking> countdown> challenging

[trim wedge]

😂

[light grove]

While not Exact, Maple left a copy of it in the old spreadsheet hub https://lite.evernote.com/note/f21b3979-da1a-40b1-aa17-4269e0200c05

[trim wedge]

Skill build always fcks ya with them rogue encounters tho

[hexed steppe]

nah, mortar cancels them. same with eclipse

fire eclipse*

[trim wedge]

They always hack the mortar

Then it one shots me 😂

[hexed steppe]

rogues dont

[trim wedge]

Ahh I just assumed they did cause they hack the drone/turret

[hexed steppe]

hunters do

[trim wedge]

Ima have to try mortar against them

[hexed steppe]

how are you set

[trim wedge]

Give me a bit I’ll post pic, I’m not home atm at my wife’s family

[light grove]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/12q8dBzHLXhZ6ClbXp6wmB5aGvFypQL-PNyUQo_4yWGw/mobilebasic?pli=1 this was the one I have personally

[hexed steppe]

all good, no rush. was just curious

[subtle bluff]

Doing it wrong HS them with Healing Chem. LOL JK. I had too.

WURD didn’t post has a video

[hexed steppe]

headhunter fi gonna be the new meta

[subtle bluff]

It’s kind is for speed runs for incursion courtyard.

[wary quiver]

Chow strikes again

[tidal swan]

Lincoln speed with HH heal chem when?

[subtle bluff]

Sounds like a challenge/good content.

[tidal swan]

it would def be good content

[uneven drift]

Which one I'm running survivalist

[autumn elbow]

Hey folks, so i tried checking the pinned post and some of the builds seem/feel either outdated or the links dont work so i was curious if anyone had a good Striker tank with crusader shield build. Reasoning behind pieces (except the 3-4 pc striker because duh) would be awesome too 🙂 Appreciate it in advance

[patent fossil]

If you want to tank then hb might be the better option this season, with tech spec and memento you'll have plenty of shield tiers to tank with. Ceska as final piece (not chest), flatline weapon, crit stats

[autumn elbow]

Ohhh okay so kind of like the old kingbreaker HB build?

[hexed steppe]

I use gunner on skill for the armor on kill. Any can work, it's more what you prefer as long as you have your 6 skilltier any, if short a skilltier tech class

[patent fossil]

Yeah but now you'd likely use Lexington if you've got a lvl 40 one to hand

[autumn elbow]

i dont have a level 40 lexington sadly, still Kingbreaker or another alternative?

[bleak sequoia]

is Exuro too niche for a beginner to try to build with?

[patent fossil]

Yeah any decent high end AR or lmg that can take the tech laser will do, never been a fan of kingbreaker personally since the handling is horrible

[bleak sequoia]

I seem to have a set of Exuro taking up space in the stash, maybe I should sell it

[onyx sage]

wtf he's here

[onyx sage]

would rather deconstruct or donate to expertise tbh. they don't sell for much

[patent fossil]

It's not a popular choice primarily because the turret has such a long cooldown and only works well when enemies are clustered. There's a passive modifier that can help with the cooldown this season though.

[bleak sequoia]

cavalier is also really niche too right. Only use I can think of is some kind of hazpro tank for some specific scenario with a lot of debuff hazards

I'm been hoarding gear sets since I hadn't any idea what to keep. Cleaning house now

[patent fossil]

Other than system corruption, gear sets are really easy to farm so don't stress about binning any you don't use

[bleak sequoia]

ok if it's not actively part of a buld I'm making it's getting marked as trash. Thanks

[onyx sage]

good methodology to go by

[bleak sequoia]

if I don't have Scorpio what kind of shotgun is fine to use to proc Opportunistic?

[tulip charm]

Lefty

[bleak sequoia]

no lefty but I have a regular ACS-12... guess that will have to do

thanks

[subtle bluff]

Gearset I wouldn't horde maybe HB and Strikers with CHD/CHC to switch cores but ya.

[bleak sequoia]

can I have a two loadouts with the same specialization but specced with different skill selections in the specialization? E.g., a technician with 10% skill damage and another technician with 10% repair skill

[glossy scarab]

i dont think the specialization setup changes when you switch loadouts

[shy willow]

^

[dense swallow]

This is my build here guys help me out. im having a hard time between deciding how much CHC or CHD i should have on my gear. running coyotes, ceska chest and 4 pc strikers

what should i do yall help me out here, i basically have amix of both CDC and CHD mods and attributeson everything right now

[shy willow]

Chc up to 50 and dump everything else into chd

[subtle bluff]

HEY.... I have a dumb idea.. Do you know how Chem Launcher takes on what weapon talent.... Can it be determine?

[subtle bluff]

When running Coyote Mask 50-54% CHC if not closest you can get to 60% without going over.

[dense swallow]

yea see this is where i get confused. im at 42.7 in certain situations coyotes will lput me at cap or dang near close to it. im only 8% away from that without coyotes procced. should i waste another mod slot for chc instead of chd?

[shy willow]

You want 50 before taking coyotes talent into account

That way mid buff pushes you to cap

[magic pilot]

You want to be as close to cap as possible

[dense swallow]

ok thats what i need to know. and tbh alot o my pieces are still like 4.3% CHC attributes so that will come up with better rolls i get on gear just grinding, im not maxed on attributes at all but i will be over time

[hexed steppe]

nope. youll need to remember to swap if you want it set different

[hexed steppe]

probably running retribution. it gives up to 50% chc when its full proc. if its coyote alone is capping you then you need to run grupo over coyote because thats long buff

[dense swallow]

this is what i was able to get it to without farming for better set pieces. this is with coyotes equipped.

[subtle bluff]

I say 50-54% because of SHD levels

[shy willow]

Yeah once you get maxed your chc will be maxed

[dense swallow]

yea im only shd 31 lol

[shy willow]

Invest all the red points into chc when you can

[dense swallow]

is the max 50 or 60? for seome reason im thinking its 60

[shy willow]

It's 60

[dense swallow]

i can get more CHC on my build but didnt you say dump everything else after 50% into CHD?

[shy willow]

Ye

[dense swallow]

so im good on chc right now? just focus on more chd?

[shy willow]

Rule of thumb is 1:2 chc to CHD ratio

[shy willow]

Ye

[shy willow]

On striker anyway

[dense swallow]

i mean thats kinda what i got right now is 1:2 lol

[shy willow]

High end and nego have a lot of baked in crit

[shy willow]

Ye

[tulip charm]

you're fine on chc

[dense swallow]

i need to get a better rolled ceska chest because i changed the talent to obliterate and i cant change anything else besides this 10.8 crit damage mod lol

[tulip charm]

Especially since you're under 1k that 50 will turn into 60

honestly keep it like that

and optimize it later on

[dense swallow]

when i optimise it those other attributes go up? is that how that works? havent messed with anything like that at all yet

[tulip charm]

yeah

[dense swallow]

ok cool i didnt know that

[tulip charm]

but requires alot of material so leave it for later

[dense swallow]

ok will do

[dense swallow]

what about the striker backpack? think i can find a better one?

im still missing pretty much like 3% more CHC on this

[magic pilot]

optimal striker doesnt use bp anymore

[dense swallow]

so you doint use 4 pieces anymore?

for the buff on top of st elmos?

[solar sable]

I see mask, gloves, knees and holster. Are those three?

[magic pilot]

screenshot is above

[dense swallow]

that a pvp build or pve?

[magic pilot]

pve

[solar sable]

PvE, Striker's isn't optimal for PvP

[magic pilot]

its good in pve, just not full red

[dense swallow]

ok so no coyotes? im guessing a 2 pc ceska, 1 pc grupo and 3 pc striker?

[magic pilot]

def not with glass cannon

[magic pilot]

the picture is above, there is no ceska or grupo and there is 4 striker

[dense swallow]

ok i but what are the other set pieces besides striker? i cant tell names by that pic lol

[magic pilot]

i would keep the chest you have now and run a grupo bp with vigilance

run striker mask

[dense swallow]

@tulip charm @shy willow do you agree with what hes saying?

[dense swallow]

im not meaning to be rude or throwing your opinion aside, i just like to get advice from all angles lol

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/zlMPJp6XpnE?si=SrWT91zsBLt6RQwd

[dense swallow]

your telling me one thing and they are telling me another. j ust trying to grind smarter not harder lol

[magic pilot]

as you should

[shy willow]

Idk what the optimal setup is after the updates and he maffs a lot so

I still run it with the bag

[magic pilot]

its a newer change, what you have now was the best non striker chest setup last patch

what im running will output more, its all covered in the video i linked

[dense swallow]

you know how many grupo backpacks i deconed already smh

so when this season eneds itll just change again?

[magic pilot]

if you want i can help you farm, grupo is in open world rn

[tulip charm]

Oh the vig

[magic pilot]

they did a bunch of balance changes this last major patch, usually doesnt happen often

before this patch striker didnt change for like a year and a half

[dense swallow]

ill just run summit on legendary and get hella drops until i get a good one. usually dont take long lol

[tulip charm]

damn look at this gamer

[magic pilot]

valid

well im gonna grind this 3x xp then lol

[dense swallow]

where you grinding this at? lol

does it drop grupo? asking for a friend

[magic pilot]

i just run open world, bountys and public executions. grupo is TL in east mall

after this xp event ill be almost caught up to my PS account

[dense swallow]

i got a good striker mask already non modded what should i put on this then? when i drop coyotes ill lose CHC.

keep the CHD and add a CHC mod or what?

[fresh fox]

vigi + damage chest now

[molten thorn]

mod your maxxed CHD onto it

[fresh fox]

only like 10% worse than striker chest or something my math isn’t great

[magic pilot]

idk about the % but it was 100k less dmg than striker chest with my build

same crit distribution

[molten thorn]

what's 2pc providence bonus?

[onyx sage]

8% chc, same as ceska

[molten thorn]

and like a weapon damage for 1pc?

oh it's hsd

[magic pilot]

the hsd is kind of a dead stat but im using perfect glass cannon

if you dont want to use glass cannon run ceska/grupo

[dense swallow]

now with that striker mask instead of coyotes i have less crit damage because coyotes has 3 slots on it and i had like 20% CHD on it

[molten thorn]

your backpack should have 3 slots on it too

you didn't lose any slots you just moved one

[dense swallow]

i lost 8% CHD by taking off coyotes lol

[magic pilot]

your overall crit will be lower slightly, but youll be doing more dmg, striker bp isnt that strong anymore

[molten thorn]

it was only a 10% nerf that's wild

I mean I guess in the grand scheme of things 10% is huge but damn I'll have to find a grupo bp

[dense swallow]

but now i know what you mean. the grupo bp has 13% tio make up foir that loss as the 1 pc set bonus

[fresh fox]

i just did 1.25 x 1.3 x 1.65 to get my number

seems right though

[magic pilot]

yea basically

[dense swallow]

so what do i want that grupo backpack to have when i get it. itll already have the 13% CHD from the set bonus. what should the other attributes be? like 2 CHD and 1 CHC on it?

[onyx sage]

it will have 2 attributes and 1 mod slot, the 2 attributes being chd and chc (you can't have 2 same attributes), the mod slot is your choice

[dense swallow]

ok the for base itll have 1 of each, so for the mod do i go extra CHD or CHC mod?

just like whatever i need the most at the time? lol

[onyx sage]

exactly

[dense swallow]

or just stack up on straight ChD because im already at 50. and when my shd maxes itll be pretty much 60

[onyx sage]

your crit is changing a lot as your build is coming together

we can't give you what you should aim for as it changes

so we just say aim for 1:2 ratio between chc and chd

as long as you're close to this you're as optimal as you can be until you reach max chc

[dense swallow]

ok. im not just rtying to get some shit done and you all who know better than i say well you did it wrong and i gotta go do the shit again lol

[onyx sage]

the best thing is once you get your core builds done they rarely change

[magic pilot]

striker, HHF, FI, eclipse and maybe oxy are the main ones id recommend

[fresh fox]

honestly probably not oxi

even though i use it a lot i feel that its only because i only do stuff where oxi is good

save that for later once you learn spawns and stuff

[magic pilot]

def do it last

but your incursion lFGs will love you or call you a hacker

[dense swallow]

what do you think about this?

[fresh fox]

don’t listen to him

he’s not the smartest

and very unfriendly

[tulip charm]

??????

[bleak sequoia]

funny how as soon as someone types in all caps I immediately assume what they are shouting is wrong

[fresh fox]

yea his other rants are very bad

[tulip charm]

Centurion glazer

[fresh fox]

idk how he’s still around

[fresh fox]

i kinda get it but like it’s just annoying to keep up

[dense swallow]

lol

[fresh fox]

just ignore him

mute central chat and move on

[tulip charm]

Yeah imagine having to swap back and forth just to min max an 8sec buff for 15 min

Ill go insanely

[fresh fox]

while he’s right it’s also only really an on paper thing

[tulip charm]

Yeah but in prac its annoying and not worth the effort

[magic pilot]

ive never played with global chat on ever in div 2

idk how people do it

[tulip charm]

I muted the second I started this game

I had to deal with it in d1

[subtle bluff]

Just block him. He's just toxic 24/7. He'll say my name once awhile supposedly..

[tulip charm]

@tawdry flare https://youtu.be/iY7EdGYcrB8?si=r8g02Cl2-x7mskIe

Goat build

[tawdry flare]

Thanks

Nice work @vestal atlas

[gentle lichen]

Cuckdown is a scandalous statement

[primal vessel]

ill get btsu gloves
do i keep the backpack or holster

[fresh fox]

keep bag

[hexed steppe]

you would roll core yellow if you wanted to use survivalist. roll attribute if using tech class free core. if its an fi build an off attribute isnt a big deal, survivalist fire nades are the best sledge proc, amp for your team against status as well. jmho tho. some use tech for faraday perk, so its more preference

disregard, im way late to the party

[bleak sequoia]

I went with Tech, extra armor is good anyway

it's being sold in the store so I'm considering just buying another one and going the other way

but the blue attrib is like explosion resistance

so maybe just a regular Alps piece with normal Opportunist and good rolls would be straight up better anyway

[hexed steppe]

all good. figured it was a done deal when i noticed how old the post was

[hexed steppe]

it wouldnt hurt. the attribute wont matter too much since fi is a ton of healing regardless

the amp from perfect opp is solid

[subtle bluff]

sledge isn't the easiest in sense it's fire the will proc later on but for different situation different nades are better. Flashbang hast basically double the area of effect. EMP well EMP the area, normal con go off the fastest, sticky doesn't work.

[light grove]

Solid for you and solid for all, Perfect opportunistic is

[hexed steppe]

being able to reproc a couple times from 1 nade is pretty op

[subtle bluff]

honestly imo if things aren't being focus with the debuff then teams doing something wrong.

[hexed steppe]

reproc, like on another spawn wave if its placed well

[onyx sage]

i actually love striker vigi pgc now

i did zoo and roosevelt solo with it and it's nuts being able to melt everything so quick i don't even take damage

[glad bloom]

someone knows best build for eagle bearer?

i just dropped it

[hollow rampart]

whats a good solo legendary summit build to start off with

[onyx sage]

striker 4p with backpack, ceska chest with obliterate and grupo mask or coyote

[hollow rampart]

i feel like i die too quickly with that

[onyx sage]

summit is the easiest legendary content to solo

at least it's somewhere to start practicing

[hollow rampart]

this is what im sitting at right now anything i should be changing

i alternate between st elmos and lexington

[onyx sage]

that looks good

[hollow rampart]

feel like im dying too quick

[onyx sage]

do your best and learn to play with it is the best advice i can give you

[hollow rampart]

ah ok thanks would it be worth swapping for some blue cores

[onyx sage]

you can

[hexed steppe]

its gonna have a lot more to do with positioning as opposed to build. hotshot will do pretty well solo, but its gonna be paper like striker

you can also run it a little lower than cap crit chance since coyote. around 50%

[onyx sage]

oh yeah forgot to look at that

you definitely are overcapping chc

[hollow rampart]

really?

[patent fossil]

For solo pve I like to run it with memento, ceska obliterate chest and 4pc striker, couple of blue cores. You can comfortably face tank your way through heroic content.
It's generally more popular in pvp but I'm not a pvper so can't advise there.

[onyx sage]

yep

[hexed steppe]

you dont want to be more than a mod over. temp swap a chc and see if its still 60.

[onyx sage]

coyote's buff won't show in stat screen

[hexed steppe]

repeat till below 60%. chd will come up at the same time

[hollow rampart]

its weird bc all of my mods are chd not chc

just changed some of the armor talents to chd and im still over 60 thats weird

[hexed steppe]

all chd would have your chance around 45ish

youll be able to squeeze out more damage

[hollow rampart]

would lexington(killer) or st elmos do more

[onyx sage]

then your gear rolls have chc

ideally all your striker pieces have chd rolls

[onyx sage]

lexington will do more

[hollow rampart]

yea all my strikers are chd

[onyx sage]

does your elmo have dttooc?

[hollow rampart]

yea

[hexed steppe]

either weapon will have the same chc tho

do you happen to have a full retribution proc active? idk if that shows in the stats, but it does increase your chc

[tidal swan]

oh god

[onyx sage]

pls no

[hexed steppe]

[hollow rampart]

ah yea i did im sitting at 43% 150chd

[tulip charm]

You should be around 51

You want coyotes to bump you to 60%

[hollow rampart]

yea just gotta optimize the chest and i think ill be around that

[strong cave]

okay, i have cooked... its been a really long time since ive posted my general idea (yes ik build tools is out of date still. again, its still a great tool)

striker healer? yes, yes, i know. its not a good combo. but how would it work if set up like this?

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwDgtAjADGMxxZLs1KoC4DMjqoWCBGierBgGyTzHyLBalNwbERtkCstzpGwATmq8yo5PyF4x05hgAsjTmDk92AdkgQl7KqP5yNcsAO30YWKmqF7gCyEuBKjEDRWICe6eayGCwWIyxrNH1lIzldUiA

if anyone has made a build like this, def let me know. im so damn bored of the content of this game that i purposely wanna make goofy builds just to give myself something to do 💀

[subtle bluff]

Meh. I've tried something like this not with Pest. Idk where you'd use this where you wouldn't burn thru your Heals too fast and that Pest tick isn't big enough to do anything since your WD is really low.

[subtle bluff]

I use this to force 1phase and carry Wright fight...

[onyx sage]

the kitchen is on fire

[magic pilot]

Get Habsburg just to flex

[tulip charm]

Whats the yellow attribute for

Repair?

[subtle bluff]

Also you have too much Skill Teirs

[subtle bluff]

I haven't optimize these even... Funny enough I think could of but I did winter cleaning.

[hexed steppe]

I would run damage core on 1 striker piece since tech will make your 6th core anyways.
If you regularly overcharge with mechanical animal, you may be able to swap in memento for btsu . This would give 3 more red core equivelant. With pesti using damage cores toward ticks this could be a pretty big jump.
Memento efficiency would cover 30% some repair/haste allowing for a couple crit rolls.

Just some thoughts

[subtle bluff]

Eh.. Alp w/Safeguard (I think it's called) would do better for healing but strikers would be kind of weird. Better off just doing HE Pest build with yellows just for a stronger tick. IDK... Healing and WD don't mix well.

Just go Boom boom with with Healing Hive is better everywhere.

BTSU gloves are the only way he'll recover Hive charges at a timely matter.

[bleak sequoia]

Alright I'll do that. it's only 15k, make it back in no time flat

can someone explain, like to an idiot, when to explode the hive for BTSU overcharge?

[onyx sage]

ideally right at the start of an encounter, or only as a last resort when everyone has used up their revive hives

[vivid heron]

on average how much armour does one need for PVE and health

[bleak sequoia]

ok so enter the room, drop the hive, blow it up, drop it again, and watch if people's HP is dropping, if so run there and throw chems at them? And if we're still fighting 2 minutes later that's probably a bad sign so just blow it up again?

[low narwhal]

1mil. Health dont worry about it much. Armor be more important.

But you can also survive off 700k if you have a good DPS build and be aware of your surroundings

[vivid heron]

alr i see wassup

[vivid heron]

bet bet i see how it goes thanks

[low narwhal]

I have 1.2mil, coz i like running head first into a fight w my crutch reviver xD

[fresh fox]

either wait for a few revive hives to be in cooldown or wait for a call out or at the start of a room like rotor said

[bleak sequoia]

OC instantly cancels cooldown on revives?

[fresh fox]

the overcharge is a very powerful ability so wasting it when it could have a better use is unfortunate

[subtle bluff]

It depends on what kind encounter your doing. Sometimes just using before your hive is almost out, when revives are down to bring them up, for some abilities to get more burst it really depends on your team and what's going on in the fight.

[fresh fox]

it recharges all skills that are currently on cooldown

[hexed steppe]

Bare minimum with glass on top. Armor doesnt save you, proper position does

[bleak sequoia]

ok I'm really starting to feel like this is one of those "you're going to do it wrong for a long time until you learn to do it right" kind of things. No worries just gonna practice and observe the effects

[vivid heron]

real shi except the enemy be on crack on starts jumping you

[subtle bluff]

The key note with BTSU glove is if you do OC everyone and what can does OC yourself do. Also noting for the 2 min cooldown with you have.

[bleak sequoia]

I'm going to have to go to BTSU (Black Tusk State University) to get a degree in these gloves...

[subtle bluff]

BTSU Datagloves

"Grants 15% Hive skill haste per skill tier.

Detonating a hive **refreshes **your skill cooldowns and grants overcharge for 15s.
If at Skill Tier 6, this effect also applies to all allies.

Allies recieving this effect are unable to benefit from it again for 120s"

[bleak sequoia]

yeah so if people have been popping off skills for a while and things are looking dicey I just pop it off

[tulip charm]

I mean entirely depends on the group

Most of the time you’re gonna proc it for hives or when you’re running low on charges

[hexed steppe]

Tbf it will cancel 1 charge of a revive hive. If agent is tier 0 theyll be ready to revive instantly. If they have tech/memento/any yellow cores the rest of the charges still need to go through cooldown.

[hexed steppe]

You really just gotta know what your team is using. Having team skills displayed will give a great deal of info when you want to pop an oc. Out of combat to recharge something is pretty normal.
But if you have someone running oxi/cluster seekers/fire eclipse you want to try and overcharge right before they pop off so its oc skills going out. If everyone is shields you might do it after combat has started so those shields become immune while they might be taking a lot of damage.

On mortar I use the oc a lot to maintain personal uptime. I'll get mortar back immediately while the hive rapid charges. If I'm in a pickle, I'll let hive half charge and throw it out so itll be oc and fast deploy what charges it has.

Practice makes perfect, and knowing how skills are used will help you fine tune when you oc.

[hexed steppe]

Survivability through superior damage output.
Dead npcs dont shoot back. 😎

[warm knot]

We just done an all tanks run in tidal basin legendary. So I was wondering, is it viable a crit setup bulwark shield build with technician hive and something like intimidate+adrenaline rush?

[subtle bluff]

If it would be, it would take forever. You need damage or else you'd eventually be beat down or everything will get rez again.
I feel like a broken record when people keep wanting to bring tank builds to legendary.

[hexed steppe]

you would be speccing skilltier instead of armor if using artificer as a repair. i dont see it being a winning strategy because youll probably get disrupted a good amount. i use a highend regulus headhunter with memento and cardoor+artificer. it takes quite a beating but wouldnt hold up in legendary i dont think

[warm knot]

Aight, back to division 1 then. I just wanted to play D3 :c

[dense swallow]

why ppl tellin gme last night to run strikers mask with grupo backpack then? is it just that everybody has the same opinion or what? trying to figure out what does best lol

ive heard like 4 diff things now lol

do i need coyotes or not lol becaus eif i do then i dont need grupo backpack with vigilance

[magic pilot]

It's old build most people haven't switched yet

It's not "caught on"

[hexed steppe]

its also may cause some to soil themselves

[hexed steppe]

striker bag/chest > striker +glass/vigilance > striker bag+ ceska oblit/coyote

old style is outclassed by stronger options but is still viable.
i think that's the rough hierarchy anyways, im sure ill get corrected if not 🤔

[versed summit]

It's a really new shift so people are adapting to using/recommending it.

IMO Recommending glass to new players isn't really worth it, as you're already getting used to playing full red, and it really hurts the shield, but that's just a me thing.

[magic pilot]

Still could go obliterate/vigi