td2-build-advice

[molten thorn]

What about this yt striker build i got with ninjabag and 2pc BA instead of GS/Ceska

(i know it's bad it's currently on the subreddit)

[onyx sage]

it's peak

it can kill the same target with MORE bullets

and more is better

[rich lotus]

yes if it can kill the same target then it doesn't matter.

it's ok if it takes 9 more mags and 30 more mins

[molten thorn]

That's what the blue ammo boxes are FOR

[rich lotus]

SO TRUE

PREACH

[light grove]

I run ninjabike strikers without the chest or the backpack, and Ferocious Calm + Contractors and a stoner LAMG. The word before LAMG was the thought process before making it.

[onyx sage]

if you take more time to kill something, you're playing the game more.

[molten thorn]

My fav part of that thread is that they didn't share their crit stats

[rich lotus]

me on my way to the ammo box to restock for the 80th time 🔥

[light grove]

3.6 out of 5, not great not terrible.

Slap ROF and ROF magazine for full what up speed.

then proceed to force everyone in cover because suppression is a thing in this game 💀

[tulip charm]

🗿

[subtle bluff]

first off Reddit... Div Redditt isn't much better...

[molten thorn]

yeah we're making fun of the stupid builds that people keep posting.

[subtle bluff]

There's a lot. Why I stay away from Brainrot. I get that enough with some of these FTC builds for incursion.

[molten thorn]

ngl when you guys helped my buddy get his first clear the other day it was pure luck that i even had an acs12 in my inv because I APPARENTLY dismantled my lefty

[subtle bluff]

It's what I do.

[low narwhal]

reddit builds are streamlined through the FTC so you can still get some brain rot XD

[subtle bluff]

stap... I don't need more.. I've had some really bad rot these past 2 runs... 2 hr run and a one where I just gave up because a SHD 9k with a good build but just... Has brainrot.

[low narwhal]

lol you havent experienced 3h IH xD

today I saw 4hr IH, but i had to leave. Lowkey wanted to stay and see how long it would take to finish xD

[subtle bluff]

I have. I don't IH a lot for this reason.
I have also been called to save an IH at they were at 4hrs. IDK how I did that still..

[low narwhal]

Same, I was called at the last bit. Only stayed for 20 mins and then had to go

[molten thorn]

it's been so long since i've done IH. I do not want to, but I want regulus.

[lost wren]

i actually got the yaahl piece

60+ hazpro goes hard

[magic pilot]

solid

[lost wren]

if only i had matador

matador would go so hard

[magic pilot]

rip RNG

stop getting raid exotics in DZ maybe you will pull matador

[gentle forum]

if you got a build based around sniping and headshot dmg, is the nemesis good for it or no?

i want to know if spending 3 weeks to get it is worth it or not

[light grove]

Nemesis is alright with it. Charging the shot is pretty annoying for when you want to make the shot. but it’s amazing if you wanna use it to back to back headshot tank types.

[gentle forum]

how long does a full charge take?

[light grove]

About 2 seconds?

[gentle forum]

thats not so bad

i play with a group who plays aggressive so with them pulling aggro i can full charge it with no problems

id see why it becomes an issue while solo however

[lost wren]

so true

[onyx sage]

other mmrs can one-shot enemies easily. you only use nemesis in some limited scenarios as a main weapon but it's mostly used as a first shot weapon to get headhunter for your main high end mmr

[covert meadow]

Ok so I'm really sick of youtube....

Can someone please explain a legendary build for pve only! I have strikers but apparently that's not strong enough!

I'm getting bombed on Roosevelt and capital by tusk left n right

[tulip charm]

But striker is strong enough

Show the striker build

[covert meadow]

@tulip charm ?

[subtle bluff]

Wrong backpack. Use Striker PB if anything.

[tulip charm]

You want striker backpack

Especially if you’re running with chest

Also you want to roll one more chc line

[subtle bluff]

Legendary is a mix bag of good build and good gameplay. It's not suppose to be easy.

[tulip charm]

Wait are you soloing?

[covert meadow]

Yes @tulip charm

Trying to

[subtle bluff]

Not suppose to be solo'd easily or even.

[tulip charm]

Memento backpack

[covert meadow]

So I need chest n back pack, fox prayers for knees?

[subtle bluff]

If you've cleared it at least handful of times with group then I'd say go for a solo run of it but to try to solo legendary from the get go isn't a good idea.

[tulip charm]

Ceska

Always

[covert meadow]

On knees

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[covert meadow]

Chd right?

[subtle bluff]

Always CHC close to max first

[covert meadow]

Brb

I'm at 57 chc

I could top 60 but then I'll be over 60

[molten thorn]

how many of your mods are chc

[covert meadow]

3

Actually 2

I could do another at lowering chd

Full 6

[molten thorn]

you want 1CHC and 2 CHD mods iirc

I think

[covert meadow]

Now I'm 132 chd full 60 chc

[molten thorn]

oh yeah memento can't have crit rolled on it uhh

[covert meadow]

I took that out

Running chest n bag strikers

Ceska on knees

Striker glove n holster

And coyote mask

[molten thorn]

I feel like that's still low numbers. I have 4pc with Coyote's and ceska and I'm sitting at 50.4 chc and 171 chd with 2chd mods and one chc

WAIT I don't have coyotes equipped hold on I'll update numbers in a second

[covert meadow]

What are you using at mask

Groupo?

[molten thorn]

Grupo. I just switched to coyote tho

[covert meadow]

I have a full groupo i think

Lemme check

[molten thorn]

this right here hits 49/158 it's a single chc mod and 2 chd mods, with the short range coyote buff it's 49/183 and with the midrange one it's 59/168

[bleak wagon]

Does anyone have a build that can melt hunters i cant kill the two at the top of the summit and its driving me crazy

[molten thorn]

you want me to just join and help you kill them?

[covert meadow]

@molten thorn ok i can build that

Ty

[bleak wagon]

Bro anything would be sufficient at this point my buikd isnt meant for solo play but i got nothin else rn and idk what good

[covert meadow]

Yeah see that's it, I'm on console ps and I'm not on subscriber

[molten thorn]

/invite trh_zero

[covert meadow]

So everything is solo against ads

Not paying Sony $ atm so if this can't handle solo I'll drop on down to heroic

[molten thorn]

just inv me whenever and I'll lend a hand

[bleak wagon]

Im trying to figure out how to invite never done it on pc before sorry

[molten thorn]

type "/invite trh_zero" in the text chat

[bleak wagon]

I think i did it

That was so much easier like what

Ive died to them like 30 some odd times bro

[molten thorn]

I didn't expect it to be on normal i'll be real

[bleak wagon]

What

It shouldnt have been

[molten thorn]

I usually play on challenging

[bleak wagon]

Aw man i think it changed to normal after i left last time i keep forgetting to change it back

[molten thorn]

did you need it to be on a higher difficulty? you should have gotten your masks

[bleak wagon]

I reached there on heroic but i couldnt beat them at all that why i was asking for help well that sucks

I got one thing i needed so im chillin but i just wanted to complete it on heroic thanks for the help tho

Does anyone know where or what a good sniper is mine is decent but i dont think im dealin anough damage to really be ok with doing legend just yet

[subtle bluff]

I do but you seem new and wouldn't have the build. Oxy ftw.

[bleak wagon]

Alright ill just keep grindin summit till somthing drops sorry to bother

[subtle bluff]

Try to bring this type into LFG so we don't get mixed up here.

[bleak wagon]

Sorry my bad it was my fault

[tulip charm]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwDgtAzGAMYIzxk2LlpQLgCwDY0ILilVWHWQwi0iQTJDJPKegzgE4wyoEXnmMwTsUR8x6QcNr9xJQTjzU4cMnBCcOsDgXaMJwaOGoQo4WFlNmJKxWACsAdhkScGWRXcogA

[subtle bluff]

No no your good. I just don't want people to get mixed up here that's it.

[tulip charm]

Just try that if you’re gonna solo legendary. Just change the red to blue if you need more survivability. Full Red Striker is possible but requires alot more experience to make it work.

[subtle bluff]

Here's a good reference of how somone solo legendary.
https://www.youtube.com/@dien_aka_kim

It's doable but not easy what so whatever. Even these clears aren't done one shot.

My DUA solo clear took me like handful of tries before clearing up to boss.

[bleak wagon]

I killed the first boss of the tower they dropped me an exotic sniper called mantis is that any good or should i just stash it

[tulip charm]

Stash

[bleak wagon]

🫡

[tulip charm]

Mmr is just determined gaming atm

[subtle bluff]

If you're crack at HS aiming it's in ways one of the best MMR because of it's talent but that's only like 1 out of 1000 of us are like that.
But Determined is the way to go

[bleak wagon]

Could i get anything better than this cause this isnt doing it for me i can kill but the rogues and hunters are impossible to kill with this on heroic

[subtle bluff]

Challenging to Heroic to Legendary is a huge HP jump in all of them.

[covert meadow]

@subtle bluff ty for that video, i see right now, I'm just gone go to challenging mode, and just do missions over n over until I learn this game, gotta know the spawns and weapons only way to survive this. That dude is a boss

[bleak wagon]

I havent really tried challening my friends dragged me through heroic stuff till i was 40 then i got this and i havent found anything to help kill stuff for rogues or hunters yet

[covert meadow]

@tulip charm Ty for the striker build to 👍

[subtle bluff]

It's hard not to say "Skill issues" but it is but really understand how much harder Legendary is... Yea HARD. Reason it's normally 4 man.

[subtle bluff]

Ya @onyx sage is a 🐐

[subtle bluff]

The spawns are little different when going to Legendary. Just keep playing and learning good gameplay stuff get into some Legendary version of the mission with people and learn with them.

[covert meadow]

After watching this, ngl, I just wanna delete everything and start fresh from his builds and work my way up

This man is unbelievable

[bleak wagon]

Is there a better way to farm loot than the tower or am i stuck doing a hundred floors for the good stuff ive looked stuf up and people say the best is either tower of a mission call like clockdown or cooldown or something

[tulip charm]

The builds is the same

Except its just full red striker

[tulip charm]

Countdown

[subtle bluff]

Look up hutchler him and Toasty Speed runs are godly but those took like wayyyyy toooo many runs to get them down.

[covert meadow]

Never seen nothing like this l I killed 4 ads before it was ggs and that was with them running at me! Lol 😆

[subtle bluff]

Red is the Fastest way to do but it's nto for everyone. Even for my solo run wasn't 6 Reds.

I always try to tell people if you can solo Heroic like in one shot or without getting caught up on stuff then your ready to solo legendary.

[covert meadow]

I can 1 tap heroic pretty well

I have a skill build that can handle heroic and 5 directives

But when it comes to this legendary stuff

Nah this just different

[subtle bluff]

I guess without using MMR builds. Since it's all Red Strikers to do Legendary.

[covert meadow]

You gotta be a different human to handle this lol

[bleak wagon]

Are all enemies in countdown hunters or the gold bars bro😭

[solar sable]

Challenging and Heroic. No, not all of them are hunters (there are 6 or 8) but elites and purples

[onyx sage]

my runs are tbh challenge runs where i limit myself to only using 6 reds and no memento. if you can use memento then definitely use it, it ups your comfort a lot

[subtle bluff]

🐐

[onyx sage]

there may be better youtubers out there if you want to focus on speedruns or comfort runs

[hasty sluice]

vs

[subtle bluff]

Hotshot

[hasty sluice]

he should change the fox's to hotshot right?

[subtle bluff]

chance?

We need more context tbh.

[light grove]

The context looks like sniper building and comparing two sets. Should use the hotshot one and change* the kneepads to Hotshot.

[hasty sluice]

change*

[solar sable]

you don't necessarily need the 4pc bonus tho

[subtle bluff]

Hotshot 4pc is nice to have. It isn't the highest dmg. But the gearset is nice to not needing to reload and some bonus armor.
Hotshot 3pc is good if you highest dmg you can do for MMR.

[fresh fox]

if you want 4pc hotshot yea

foxes would be more damage for your guns/tac 50

but of course no 4pc bonus

the first setup isn’t that great imo

[gentle lichen]

What about the 20% amp? Or do you want on demand top damage

[fresh fox]

it’s not amp

it’s headshot damage

[gentle lichen]

That's not much then

[fresh fox]

no rush man

[fresh fox]

it’s a noticeable amount of a difference though

[onyx sage]

it is amp

[fresh fox]

wtf

[onyx sage]

but it doesn't amp hh bonus

it amps bullet damage

[fresh fox]

it reads like it would be hsd

[onyx sage]

i don't blame you

[fresh fox]

this game sucks #wtfdevs

[subtle bluff]

First Headshot with a Marksman Rifle will increase next headshot by 20%

[fresh fox]

yea reads like hsd

i even read it before sending my first message

[covert meadow]

@onyx sage nah this wasn't even about speed runs, I just wanted to try it, but you know they say you gotta be man enough to admit when not only your wrong but also push back that pride and I can say 100% I'm both and no where near ready.

I'll keep practicing but in all the time in playing this game, i finnally realized it's not how many builds you can have or how maxed out they can be.

You gotta know this game period! My favorite mission to do prolly is bank head quarters, i just ran it on heroic, with the striker build @tulip charm Built for me and the first time I ran through it got downed, 2nd time using my points and advantages downed every single one no issues.

I'm start fresh with strikers, sniping and skill build and learn this game.

Ty guys for the knowledge.

Happy holidays

[subtle bluff]

Like yes.. But that wording isn't that simple.

IT's dumb I agree.

[fresh fox]

yea and it’s stupid

this guy sent an email or something!!!!!

jk no hate dw happy holidays

[onyx sage]

have fun with the game man. i commend you for striving to improve your gameplay

and happy holidays

[scarlet rampart]

My ring finger is kinda slow in pressing Q, or I dunno if it's my 1GB RAM for a brain that is slow 🤣

[tulip charm]

No problem if you going heroic stuff just switch the chest for a ceska chest w/ obliterate.

Striker is flexible

[hasty sluice]

I thought look it from an older div 2 video. It holds its own but ik it could be better.

[hushed gorge]

https://youtu.be/f7h-GWU_wDA?si=32LR43_23fu99UNb melee build holy shit

Never knew it even existed💀

[molten thorn]

You're bold posting a kvd video in here.

[gentle lichen]

Variants that mainly use lady death/claws out with striker shield are common on console conflict

I didn't care to bother looking at his variant but if you pull out shield and melee you do good damage...
In conflict terms at least

Use that in dz and you won't get very far

[dreamy valve]

Damn this gave me a good laugh

Anyways, I have now fully replaced Elmo with Lex on my one loadout that I use it for

[hushed gorge]

Is he a click baiter or something?

[hushed gorge]

Obviously duh

[patent fossil]

Yes, he's also got a record of promoting xp farming exploits that harm the servers and get people banned

[hushed gorge]

Never knew that💀

I mainly watch RogueGold's video

Even tho i am SHD lvl 1652 player

[patent fossil]

Tbf most of the big YouTubers for this game are clickbaiters, that's what makes them big YouTubers

[hushed gorge]

Thats kinda low since there are 10k+ shd lvl players here

[hushed gorge]

RogueGold from my POV is not a clickbaiter

[low narwhal]

thats what someone who got clickbaited would say xD

[patent fossil]

I don't know about RogueGold specifically, but anyone who regularly releases new build videos has to contend with the fact that there are only a limited number of top builds, and many end up promoting somewhat less-than-meta builds with exaggerated claims simply to keep new content churning out. Makes it very difficult for inexperienced players to find actually good builds.

[versed summit]

I'd call him a clickbaiter tbh, he's not as abd as some though

[hushed gorge]

What kind of clickbaiting are we talking here

[hushed gorge]

Did he promote something unreal?

[versed summit]

not to my knowledge but that's not the only prerquisite for clickbait.

[low narwhal]

the one where trying his builds will allow you to fly in the game XD

[hushed gorge]

He(Roguegold)doesn't make such claims tho

He just makes some videos coz people tell him to do what should he try or what should he do for his content

He checks comments

I dont directly copy paste any youtubers build tho.

[low narwhal]

oo i see! i never seen any Yt for div actually apart from KVD for the loot goblin spawn, so i cant really comment and speculate xD

[low narwhal]

thats good. So long you know whats going on in the build, its good. Rather than just copying and expecting to see the numbers from hit markers xD

[hushed gorge]

NothingButSkillz is the definition of Clickbaiting
GUYS,YOU HAVE TO TRY THIS🗣️🔥🔥🔥

I saw most of his video
Nothing seemed Click bait

He doesnt use the word Meta that often

Many Youtubers use AI pics for Thumbnails like Tuxedo

[rich lotus]

Yes bro it takes 9 minutes to talk about a “perfected dark zone build”

[hushed gorge]

It takes some time to explain 💀

[rich lotus]

Nah you should the build and then footage no?

Show*

Like what else do you need to talk about

Every content creator for this game is a S tier Yapper idc who it is

[hushed gorge]

Is his build not practical then?

[rich lotus]

Write essays on one small topic

[hushed gorge]

Okay.

[rich lotus]

Milking those minutes

Out of those videos you posted only one is near 5 mins, the rest are near 10 or more

Some make sense, others really don’t

10mins to talk about Ravenous changes like there was not a whole lot changed nor was it meta defining

[hushed gorge]

Did you even see that video that you mentioned?

He showed gameplay at first

Write essays on one small topic
Milking those minutes
Yeah dude,my bad

[rich lotus]

😭 its just not worth explaining this

have fun watching rogue gold build videos!

[hushed gorge]

-commenting without watching the video(where is the gameplay bla bla)
-Its just not worth explaining
😭😭

[broken edge]

Okay, its to talk about build, not channel to fight over youtubers

[subtle bluff]

I like Rogue why he's in my playlists he's pretty up front about his builds which isn't too many. I like him he's mostly news and small things people don't explain well.
My 2 cents. I stop here.

[broken edge]

If theres a channel to explain things on how and why this is it

[hushed gorge]

I like the fact that he provides gameplay(both pvp and pve)

[subtle bluff]

let's move this subject to a different room

[nova shoal]

what back sould i use

[versed summit]

Airaldi Holdings backpack with vigilance

[nova shoal]

thx time to go to countdown

[fresh fox]

you missed the clan vendor selling one not too long ago :(

[nova shoal]

the in white house has one but its bad

[vestal ibex]

Just the brand and talent will up you like 6ish mil on top damage.

[nova shoal]

nice just did a countdown time to see if i got one

best one i have got form it

[versed summit]

optimally you'd have HSD weapon handling, but that's fine for now

biggest thing is vigilance

[nova shoal]

yeah time to re run XD

[tawny belfry]

What AR has the highest base damage? Black Market AK-M?

[low narwhal]

Yepp

followed by TKB-408

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1whUO7xqWgskFS5hFn-zSZNiPyllbNN6NcHAFbTOPWVY/edit?gid=0#gid=0

according to that spreadsheet ^

[versed summit]

normal AK-M, not black Market

[low narwhal]

if you sort base dmg

oo yhh thats right

Black market 2nd tho. TKB-408 is 3rd etc.

[versed summit]

then black market/military, then tkb

base damage doesn't mean a lot for ARs though

[low narwhal]

yhh, especially if using strikers. I rather go w high RPM

so i can be sure to stack a lot of striker stacks asap

[light grove]

You’d naturally use high base damage on builds that don’t use as many weapon cores.

You could but.. usually you’d want as many bullets out in the short time you peek out with 6 reds.

[versed summit]

you really just want something with good DPS

[tulip charm]

If it wasnt for lexi being so broken it doesnt matter what ar you picked

[light grove]

I would’ve agreed if the Lexington didn’t feel like a Carbine 7 on strikers…. It kinda does.. maybe being the st Elmo but no electric shock and a customizable talent + mods.

It’s real good at sending it all down range, like the CTAR or the F2000 without having as bad handling.

That and just.. having all the stats maxed

[broken edge]

I used AK a lot on OD builds

Since since i wanted to squeeze more damage per bullet

[primal vessel]

hm what do i need

[fresh fox]

coyotes mask

[low narwhal]

no

striker chest

[primal vessel]

yea funny

[low narwhal]

otherwise, 6+ bonus wont activate

[primal vessel]

this aint newyork

[low narwhal]

wdym same all across

[primal vessel]

crit damage and chance changes based on distance between me and enemy?

[onyx sage]

but yeah you need coyote or grupo

[onyx sage]

yes

[patent fossil]

vigilance bp

[fresh fox]

or that

good to be the sole coyote user while learning the game

[primal vessel]

which one better

total damge or damage based on distance

[patent fossil]

coyote gives better overall stats but you need to balance your crit chance around whichever range you'll mostly be playing in (most people assume mid-range)

[fresh fox]

depends on the range

but most encounters are in mid range

with coyotes you would get more damage with that

[rustic grotto]

so many build about this striker

i just watch a video about 3 pie of striker set with ninja backpack

[low narwhal]

best build

[patent fossil]

people want best DPS, striker is best DPS (not with ninja though). Less so this season, but still up there.

[rustic grotto]

and another video about 4 pie striker with the coyote mask

its really make me confuse

https://youtu.be/-m_07atbKmw?si=BqfySnP60UPQ8OvS

[patent fossil]

you can trade off some damage for other benefits, like more armor or easier stacking or whatever, it's strong enough that you'll still be fine with most varieties

[low narwhal]

this one is better for faster killing

[low narwhal]

this one better for better mixing different gears

[rustic grotto]

ohhhh

[patent fossil]

with ninjabike you're trading damage for some other benefit, most people think it's not worth it though, too much damage loss for too small benefits

[primal vessel]

hm looks balanced

[rustic grotto]

so rn to maximize my build i need to farm 2 thing

1 is coyote mask
2 is ninja backpack

hmm that is a lot of countdown to play

[primal vessel]

nah
i let go of coyote already

[tulip charm]

Truly balanced

[patent fossil]

if you're not running striker chest (less useful in most content since it's difficult to maintain stacks) then Perfect Glass Cannon and providence/ceska backpack with vigilance is the next highest DPS setup for strikers now. Does rather demand you're good at not getting shot though.

[rustic grotto]

is there any pictures or guide about this loadout ?

it kinda easier to do

[subtle bluff]

Ninja Bike is always gonna be less DPS. It is something fun to build with but for a serious build BP talent is always better.

[patent fossil]

there's not much else to say, just 4pc striker with the other pieces I mentioned and crit stats on everything, point and shoot.

if you have a crit The Gift then that's the ideal backpack, but any ceska or providence one with Vigilance will be almost as good.

The Gift is a DZ-locked item so kind of a pain to farm unless you managed to get the blueprint from Descent

[low narwhal]

you can also upload picture of your striker build and post link and we can see what to change if you are not confident.

or post picture directly here

[hexed steppe]

If use snipping tool or print screen it can paste directly in the channel

[broken edge]

Or be cool with sunny D name

[low narwhal]

or just man up and dont die with any kit you wear.

[light grove]

So is it man up by being curious or man up and run in without any plan screaming “democracy”?

[low narwhal]

the second part usually works better xD

[light grove]

Ironically works better with a shotgun.

[low narwhal]

and HH

[light grove]

Can. It can fly both ways.

[low narwhal]

swing both ways!

with the shotty ofc xD

[light grove]

I don’t know why this is triggering me.

Something about swinging, not the metaphor.

[low narwhal]

this was a girl's cricket club name in my uni xD

they didnt think it through

[brisk hollow]

Is there a specific striker setup that has the highest DPS numbers? I'm running Coyote, 4pc striker, cheska chest obliterate. Are there alternatives that I should know of that hit harder?

[hexed steppe]

Prior to this season that was top damage without the striker chest.

[patent fossil]

^

[hexed steppe]

Chest and striker bag still top ig if you can maintain stacks. Glass and vig without the striker chest afaik

[brisk hollow]

Thanks, clear and to the point. Thank you both.

[hexed steppe]

Dod did a video breakdown of the damage numbers if interested in a deeper dive

[brisk hollow]

If it's up to date with the current content, i'd appreciate a link.

[patent fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlMPJp6XpnE

[brisk hollow]

Thank you very much, both.

I would have looked it up but i'm not familiar with Div2 content creators

[hexed steppe]

Dod and iKia probably the only ones worth watching for actual data/build breakdowns.
NGN for lore related stuff.

The other 98% is ninja clickbait

[onyx sage]

i should start posting ninja runs

time for me to join the 98%

[vestal ibex]

I'm gonna DM you everyday asking for that vid

[patent fossil]

watch dien.aka.kim for gameplay and ear-bleeding music

[onyx sage]

coma-eliminating music

[patent fossil]

a lifetime of beautiful dreams cruelly snatched away

[brisk hollow]

Thanks, just watched it, that solves it , i'm gonna switch gear 😄

Perfect glass cannon & vigilance here I come lmao

[hexed steppe]

GL , that glass can be a challenge for some

[tulip charm]

I mean you'll die from the slightest sneeze from the adds so

[fresh fox]

happens with normal strikers it’s ok.

[onyx sage]

i did zoo with both

[fresh fox]

striker die so fast.

[onyx sage]

36 minutes

[tulip charm]

one bullet from an leg npc literally took half of my armor 😭

[hexed steppe]

It's not too bad. Just takes getting used too

[patent fossil]

gc and vigilance good combo since both punish you extra hard for getting shot

[onyx sage]

wiped in boss room twice tho

[hexed steppe]

Match made in heaven

[onyx sage]

the father you wish you had

[brisk hollow]

It's a cover shooter, so cover it will be! 😄

[rich lotus]

yes his music taste makes me want to VOMIT

[fresh fox]

it’s because cheaters have weird music taste…

[rich lotus]

Is measured good now

[magic pilot]

Build slaps, Ron healed

[magic pilot]

For solo I run killer now, in groups I use measured or fast hands

[fresh fox]

yea

[onyx sage]

yeah but you had to wake up from your coma just to vomit

so i'd say a life was saved there

[rich lotus]

no bro I rather be in a coma

[onyx sage]

those taxes ain't paying themselves bro

[rich lotus]

true..

wait I just realized people in coma’s still get taxed 💀

thats messed up bro

[low narwhal]

well like he said, those taxes aint paying themselves

[onyx sage]

even the division doesn't mess with IRS

[rich lotus]

Can anybody tell me if the Centurion Holster is bugged?

[low narwhal]

if you explain more, maybe i can say xD

[magic pilot]

Yes

[subtle bluff]

Yes and no?

[rich lotus]

How so?

[magic pilot]

Well you asked so how do you think it's bugged?

I don't want to necessarily say how I know it's bugged because it's connected with a dmg glitch

[subtle bluff]

Should just stick to my answer.

[magic pilot]

true lmao

[tepid spire]

Okay, hello, I've been running an Ongoing Directive with a Coyote's mask. My playstyle is just being running around with a shield and procing Chatterbox fast fire rate near enemies. for the tank part, should I make half of my set Blue, giving me more armor and armor rejen.

[subtle bluff]

Don't use chatter with OD. OD is only really good with a Sadist weapon.
Also change out the backpack for a dmg talent.

Changes those 2 should give you another at least 55% more dmg.

[tepid spire]

not looking for damage, survivability. this is just a hyena themed build.

[light grove]

Blue cores won’t really do much else beyond the armor on kill from gunner. You’ll take more shots but that’s about it.

[subtle bluff]

Kill faster will help with survival. Change the backpack for backpack talent. OD backpack isn't good at all especially with chatterbox.
OD is better with weapons better Mag dmg.
Change some red cores to blue if you want to live longer.

55% damage is A Lot damage missing.

OD is only good now imo because of Sadist buff.

[tepid spire]

didnt know it had a buff, im just using for the fun of ir

ill give your idea a shot, and the 55% is something

[hexed steppe]

i mean, an amp is an amp. just having the ammo makes out perform highend, no?

for survivability you could probably tech class /artificer, add yellow picaros and get a small damage boost and a couple shield/artificer tiers

[subtle bluff]

When I look at OD being imo some ways better because you don't need to stack to it's max DPS. But the math for dmg is 50% x 35% x 20~25% which adds up quickly.

[hexed steppe]

still could sadist a weapon and add something like scorpio/iron lung to proc od

or could fully lean into team buff and skip picaros/tech , go survivalist/ setup bag/scorpio

[subtle bluff]

I do lex it good to is not f2000, named sadist gun and rilfes are all good. Then gunner with banshee pulse for the cc to get the OD started.

[tepid spire]

Jesus, this shaping up to be something, I'll still use Chatterbox since I like chatterbox.

But thank you for your help.

[broken edge]

Avoid OD backpack at all costs

On paper also LMGs should be useful for OD since bigger mag = more big bullets, honestly prefer to run with hard hitting even if slower weapons like AKs and big horn

[magic pilot]

i run carnage on OD, pesti as secondary

[tepid spire]

thats 2 lmgs

[shy willow]

You can run basically anything on OD

LMGs are pretty good for spraying marks everywhere

[magic pilot]

OMG NO WAY! thats 2 LMGS thanks bro

[tepid spire]

no problem buddy, love stating the obvious.

[rich lotus]

I think they should remove the watch ammo capacity bonus so that we can go back to pre-Warlords era where ammo actually mattered and you couldn’t run 2 of the same weapon type 😄 not like I have anything against double LMG or anything

[dreamy valve]

I’ll never give up Iron Lung exotic slot for OD

The proc utility is just too valuable, too convenient

[low narwhal]

you can easily proc w skills and OD kills should keep the proc going

I wonder how OD interacts with iron lung. Do enemies get two status effects?

[dreamy valve]

Just the fire, then the amp from the bullet

Iron Lung pretty decent with dps

I’d rather use my skill slots for other utility than to just be for OD battery

[low narwhal]

yhh i mean when iron lung bullet is amped and it reaches second half of the mag, do enemies get fire and bleed or?

[dreamy valve]

I’ve seen it

[low narwhal]

hmm but you are missing out on 35% extra dmg from the sadist talent

[low narwhal]

seen what? xD

[dreamy valve]

The status stacks

[low narwhal]

so two status right? xd

[dreamy valve]

Yeah

[low narwhal]

nice!

[low narwhal]

^

[dreamy valve]

I mean you could switch to carnage for the amp

Just use iron lung for the initial OD proc

[low narwhal]

hmm i guess. I use grudge to save some CHC so you can add some CHD into OD

[dreamy valve]

I do use Grudge too for secondary cause I want to support my group. I also have coyotes on too

[low narwhal]

nice nice! i forgot if i have coyotes on. Maybe i have vile on xD

[subtle bluff]

35% amp…. only a few things beat sadist talent. Free 35% is hard to beat.

[subtle bluff]

So my one thing here is with OD either should be Firewall, Gunner or Survivalist (support)
I’ve sat down with OD for trying to bring to our speed runs. Grudge base weapon got nerf to the ground. If you want to support use Doctor Home. 2 procs at once and free healing..

The OD buff really was a Sadist buff the chest is a nice buff but we could of done the same with PGS,

[low narwhal]

or maybe Vector w vindictive might also work i suppose

Doctor Home actually sounds like a solid plan also now that you mention it

[subtle bluff]

Put it on a pistol? I can’t remember. It’s not worth you have to kill with vindictive to get it going. I went thru this idea it doesn’t work well.

You can OD support but it’s a very different kind of build but kind of pointless to do when FI does more buffs be easier to do it.

[broken edge]

You get both, burn proc is abuff from talent not ammo type

It doesnt mix well with elmo as one special ammo replaces the other

Iron lung is very good with OD because it makes you get free status effect without using skills

Plus 30%reload bonus works great with lmgs

Still big horn with hollow point ammo headshots are very fun

[dreamy valve]

I would still use Grudge as a secondary weapon to boost party CHC/CHD

I can’t stand Doctor Home and it’s scope

[broken edge]

Does the talent make crits over the cap?

[shy willow]

I've only ever seen grudge used for fieser one shot tbh

[low narwhal]

oo another interesting idea tbh xD

[low narwhal]

Can't lie i haven't picked up the gun yet, but i suppose it should be alright to handle if you ever played w a MMR build before

[low narwhal]

Highly doubt it. I dont think anything can push it over the cap apart from diamondback's forced crit shots on that specific target, but then again its not really pushing it over the cap.

[low narwhal]

ahh okayy. There is orbit that also have somewhat of this Vindictive talent i think. Maybe i can try that

[patent fossil]

Sledgehammer is always a good sidearm talent to have

[low narwhal]

hmm, i guess i can use that if Orbit doesn't work out too well

[dreamy valve]

I do headshots without scopes for mmr

I got alot of practice from Descent

[low narwhal]

ahh okayy. I guess Doctor Home's scope must be bad then. I will try it out and see!

[dreamy valve]

Scopes arent bad, just that some exotic rifles have forced scopes

like Dr Home, Vindicator, Sacrum

[broken edge]

Sacrum doesnt have forced scope that i remember

[low narwhal]

i thought so too when i used it for journey missions, but i didnt wanna sound wrong xD

[shy willow]

It's Garbo either way so it's w/e rip

[rustic grotto]

i just got this

is this good ?

[patent fossil]

base item yes, those specific minor stats not so much

if you get one with crit chance and/or damage, or one with both skill haste and skill damage, then keep them

[low narwhal]

technically you could roll the skill haste to CHC and call it a CHC/CHD xD

since they are additive to each other. So it will be counted in the crit hit

[patent fossil]

only if you actually land a headshot though

[low narwhal]

i thought HSD was counted towards a normal crit hit?

not vice versa *

[patent fossil]

nope

they're additive in the sense that if you land a shot that is both crit and headshot, the two damage multipliers are added together (instead of multiplied)

if it's only a crit, it only uses CHD, if it's only a headshot, it only uses HSD

[low narwhal]

oo i see! makes sense! thanks for clearing it up 🙂

[rustic grotto]

yo

i can get more than 1 exotic

it would be better if it is st elmo

but today im go on countdown like 5 exotic cache

2 of that is backfire

so what now guys?

[low narwhal]

you can deconstruct one backfire

keep the one w Damage to target out of cover

and just keep hunting i guess

you can get as many exotic you want btw

you can fill your stash, inventory, next character inventory with exotics .. thats how much exotic you can get xD

[rustic grotto]

like wth hahahaha

[onyx sage]

you can decon either one

[low narwhal]

i guess optimal range is better. +5 mag doesnt make much of a difference

[onyx sage]

i mean either one is bad and the one they keep is getting rerolled anyway

[rustic grotto]

and about the library, it would be better if i maxed out all of the stat

[onyx sage]

let's not pretend optimal range is a good 3rd attribute

[rustic grotto]

right?

[onyx sage]

ye

[low narwhal]

truu say xD but out of the two, id take optimal range. but it doesnt matter since its getting rerolled xD

but then again having more mag size means longer to use payment in kind xD

[rustic grotto]

i just got memento instead of ninja backpack

what now guys?

[low narwhal]

you put it in stash and never touch it!

purple bag better

[rich lotus]

Get yourself 4 pieces of the Rigger gearset

And there you go, best build in the game

[rustic grotto]

why is that bruh

https://youtu.be/kQyXyCuWMgg

ah shiet 1y ago

kinda suck huh

[low narwhal]

maybe use it with like Heartbreaker set instead of striker

striker backpack quite cool for striker set since it converts the stacks from 0.65 to 0.95

whereas HB backpack be trashhh

only giving 2% bonus armor instead of 1%. 1% bonus armor stacks should be sufficient

but then again, vigilance is better because it gives upfront dmg and also protected by the bonus armor generated by HB

[fresh fox]

just dont use it

nbb sucks

[low narwhal]

maybe memento in HHF instead of vigilance since you can slowly build up the tropics, regen etc.

[low narwhal]

maybe if NBB gives backpack talents of gear sets it will be more useful instead of sacrificing that. Grants more versatility

[bleak sequoia]

I'm a beginner to gear farming, and I was thinking - since every item that drops is a roll of the core stats, and recalibrations are basically free compared to optimization, my selection criteria for keep vs scrap should be that the core stat(s) are high, and (for gold gear) at least one of the non-core stats is high, and completely ignore the lowest stat. Is this right?

[low narwhal]

well you want the minor attribute to be a good attribute also

Like say you get a health attribute.. dont think that will be much of a use

and plus you can optimise more than one attribute

[bleak sequoia]

right right. So to keep it simple, suppose I'm farming for a gear set item, like gloves, that has only one core and one random.

essentially unless the random is a very high roll of a thing that I want, essentially I'm almost certainly going to have better luck finding a high roll on the core attribute than the secondary attribute, right?

so I should hang on to the highest core attribute roll of this item even if the secondary attribute is garbage because that whole thing is going to get replace on a recal

[low narwhal]

yess probably xD since it rerolls with every gear piece

[bleak sequoia]

right so that's for green gear set items. For gold high ends it's the other way: one good roll of a good secondary attribute > core attribute >> (worst secondary attribute is ignored)

[low narwhal]

well it depends. If you are high major cores, you need to make sure one of the minor attributes are of the right choice, so you can recal the other one

then i guess you can keep it

[bleak sequoia]

yeah I meant the gear sets items only have one minor attribute. Essentially it can be ignored unless it's a very good roll

[low narwhal]

yes this sounds like a solid plan

but ideally even for gold item, you want like core attribute to be higher than like 12-13%

otherwise, its gonna cost a lot of matts to upgrade it

[bleak sequoia]

yeah otherwise just farm for better

[low narwhal]

yhh i guess

[bleak sequoia]

because the work to get all those mats by the time I have them a better drop probably would have happened

[low narwhal]

Also if i were to restart the game, i personally wouldn't hoard as much armor cores/yellow tbh. Most builds are based around red cores. Maybe you can collect a few yellow/blue brandsets like Empress/Hana U/Belstone/Badger Tuff. I would ideally trash all others coz they arent used as much

The others you can just easily farm from countdown and get it

Otherwise, i'd just hoard red cores until i know i have good enough ones for red

[bleak sequoia]

yeah that's helpful! I'm so confused on what to keep. I've got a bunch of random brands and then the other day I accidentally scrapped a Picaro's Holster because I thought it was junk

[onyx sage]

you won't really feel the impact of those maxed stats yet this early in the game, and you won't need to. the basics of getting the correct brand sets/gear sets, correct attributes and talents are far more important than how maxed your stats are

[onyx sage]

tbh it is

[low narwhal]

maybe you can keep 1 picaro, buts its not used as much

[onyx sage]

as for what sets and talents you want, the guides in the spreadsheet pinned here are what you need

[bleak sequoia]

the problem is everyone is so creative that there's a build using almost any brand / set I can think of

can't figure out what's legitimately not worth keeping

[low narwhal]

Well, there are effective brandsets and brandsets that just exist. The ones i mentioned may be worth to keep around if they have good attributes for blue/yellow. For red, i guess try keep all of them CHC/CHD and of good numbers.

[onyx sage]

well you can be creative but there's always optimal choices

it matters in harder content where you want to make sure your stats synergize with others

[bleak sequoia]

I'll probably never get to harder content

[onyx sage]

well you want to because that's how you get items with maxed stats

[low narwhal]

wdym? xd everyone gets to harder content xD

[versed summit]

it's likely eaiser than you think

[low narwhal]

You should try create a Striker/HB build so you can play at challenging/heroic

[bleak sequoia]

haha idk, I just mean it took me like many days to get to SHD 50

[onyx sage]

the loop is you go into a difficulty, get some stuff and get stronger so you can tackle harder ones

[low narwhal]

That way you can passively farm good stuff too

[onyx sage]

well higher difficulties let you level faster :p

[bleak sequoia]

yeah I'm kinda stuck

[onyx sage]

all we're saying is you're incentivized to learn the game so you can get more rewards

[bleak sequoia]

I die on heroic with random groups. And the rolls I get on Challenging are all shit

[onyx sage]

the resources are here, the people who can answer you are here

you need an actual build

[low narwhal]

show your build

we shall improve it. So you carry those heroic noobs

[bleak sequoia]

ok do I do a screenshot?

[onyx sage]

yes

[low narwhal]

yhh and post it here

[onyx sage]

there are builds that can completely trivialize certain content

[hexed steppe]

roll that headshot damage to skill damage and this can work for a tech class skill build, assault turret/drone/oxi

[bleak sequoia]

all the rolls on my gear are shit, nothing's been recalibrated

[low narwhal]

that looks p decent

compared to what we saw before xD

[bleak sequoia]

Mask: 13.1 dam, 8.6 CHD

[low narwhal]

atleast you read the description xD

[magic pilot]

Pretty good for shd 53

[low narwhal]

yhh frr

[magic pilot]

Could carry you through incursion with that

[low narwhal]

You need to find obliterate on like a ceska piece. Palisade still good since it gives armor killl

For your lexington maybe you can use a different talent

[bleak sequoia]

30% CHC, 42% CHD (because no recals yet)

[low narwhal]

Measured/Strained should go well

[hexed steppe]

this is why you need ceska and grupo

[low narwhal]

Optimist also good chocie

[bleak sequoia]

I have Fast Hands on my other Lexington but I was disappointed by it

[onyx sage]

yeah you need crit brands like ceska/grupo over fenris

[low narwhal]

and instead of ACS, use like an SMG, so you can shoot from far also

[onyx sage]

fast hands is performing poorly for you right now because you have almost no crit chance

[low narwhal]

ACS not need if you dont have striker chest

But save the ACS, its a good ACS.

you will need it later

like incursions xD

[onyx sage]

but for now, as long as you get crit chance and crit damage on your gear, it's good

[low narwhal]

you can mark as favourite also

[onyx sage]

your next step is finding ceska and grupo pieces that have crit chance and crit damage rolls

[low narwhal]

And also maybe use gunner class

[hexed steppe]

im over here with an m1a cqb as my striker secondary

[low narwhal]

Tech class doesnt bring much benefit over gunner spec

[bleak sequoia]

yeah sorry the Technician is just to level it up on the 5XP weekend since my gunner is maxed

I swap to Gunner when I'm in group

[low narwhal]

Thats coz you are experienced to know when to use when and when your stacks are maxed etc. xD

ahh yhh then its a solid build tbh

[onyx sage]

i use dodge city regulus in my striker 🛏️

[hexed steppe]

tech is pretty good tho. if using a shield its a free skilltier and artificer shield healing

[low narwhal]

If you feel like you are dying, maybe you can try heartbreaker set

It works similar to striker, but tankier

and generates armor

[bleak sequoia]

is HB good even if I don't use pulse?

[low narwhal]

Tech has linked laser pointer

which pulse enemy constantly

[bleak sequoia]

ahh to Tech w/ HB

[hexed steppe]

if focusing headshots, but yeah, tech laser 👆

[low narwhal]

yhh its a good choice for ez open world

For striker, you gotta watch around you in case you get sneezed on xD

HB will tank it usually if you keep shooting

but it has limited gun options

[onyx sage]

or use memento striker anyway

[low narwhal]

ohh yhh that could work too tbh

[bleak sequoia]

yeah I keep thinking I suck because so many things one-shot the striker. Didn't see the drone? too bad you dead. Got flanked? 3 shots and you're dead

[low narwhal]

provide some armor regen so you are tankier

[low narwhal]

yhhh HB can help that

usually tanks some dmg xD

[hexed steppe]

the decoy you have is helpful, slap a shield or revive hive as other skill

[bleak sequoia]

yellowname got too close? yeah max DPS counts for nothing because he'll eat your whole mag to the face and then one-shot you

[onyx sage]

tbh awareness also plays a big factor but don't stress it if you're new

[low narwhal]

tbf you are running 1 blue core. maybe 2 blue cores, would help xD

or being aware xD

[onyx sage]

this game isn't a full on tactical shooter or anything but you do have tactics in how you approach the enemy. they flank you but you can also flank them

just don't play this game like cod

[bleak sequoia]

yeah I think the healing hive isn't worth the slot maybe. I almost never run out of armor packs

shield might be better as an OH SHIT item

[onyx sage]

yeah, you're better off with something else

[low narwhal]

why dont you use reviver?

[bleak sequoia]

I don't know how it works 😄

[low narwhal]

you equip it and forget about it

[hexed steppe]

it sits on your back, revives auto

[bleak sequoia]

do I need to deploy it at least

[low narwhal]

and then you die and you become alive again

[onyx sage]

it auto deploys when you go down

[bleak sequoia]

ohh like the healing ult in Div 1

forgot what it's called

[onyx sage]

rec link

[bleak sequoia]

yeah that's it. Like an extra life

do you come back with enough armor and health to get to cover again at least

[low narwhal]

also if you increase your CHC atleast, and sacrifice CHD for it (for now), you should see some increase in DPS also

[mint axle]

With Nomad, it was a beast

[bleak sequoia]

yeah I need higher crit rate

[low narwhal]

full armor and health to wipe that enemy to smitherens XD

[bleak sequoia]

my obliterate isn't obliterating very much with only 30 CHC

[low narwhal]

Also if you get the talent on your chest called Unbreakable, you get full armor again every 60 secs every time its broken

so technically 3 lives xD

not protector xD

[low narwhal]

w reviver drone

[bleak sequoia]

"When your armor is depleted, repair 95% of your armor. Cooldown: 60s"

[low narwhal]

yep, you get armor wiped once, unbreakable kicks in, you get wiped again, reviver kicks in. you at full armor to not try die again

[bleak sequoia]

I'll put it on another chest and see

[low narwhal]

okayy sounds good!

So for now, farm for ceska chestpiece from countdown and put it on your chest w obliterate

and do you have coyote's mask?

exotic

[bleak sequoia]

the only exotic I have is that Acosta's Go Bag which doesn't go with my build (or any build except niche grenade builds)

[onyx sage]

just keep one at least but yeah

[low narwhal]

ahh okayy

[bleak sequoia]

how does everyone have Coyotes, is it a common drop

[low narwhal]

well kindaaa

[brittle oriole]

skill buildcap

[low narwhal]

countdown and target mask

[bleak sequoia]

ahh

[low narwhal]

or Jefferson Trade center, if target loot at mask, at heroic

You also use 1pc Grupo knees, glove, mask, holster (whichever you get first)

for extra CHD from brandset bonus

and having vector/SMG might make secondary more effective too

since you can shoot from a distance

[bleak sequoia]

I don't need Grupo yet. I need to get both CHC and CHD to 60 before pumping CHD

I have Eveline's Guard, it's slightly slower than a vector but has Perfect Preservation

[low narwhal]

for the second piece on your build. First piece is Ceska to pump CHC

Grupo pumps CHD

[low narwhal]

that could also work i guess

Lexington w optimist/measured/strained for extra DPS

Lexington already is a good easy gun to control so need talent to help with that

And you could work on maxing your gear i suppose.

If you are on in 3 hours, we can run some countdown to find maxed striker gear pieces.

and Ceska/Grupo if we have time for that too

[bleak sequoia]

so I've been hesitant to roll blue armor cores on the strikers because I don't know which pieces I'll keep and all the secondary attributes are pretty bad rolls

in fact I haven't recalibrated anything at all except to put Optimist on the chest

[low narwhal]

hmm, is all your strikers CHC?

[bleak sequoia]

erm, maybe 2 or 3?

definitely not 4

[low narwhal]

whats the others ?

CHD?

you should try get to 60% CHC. Your kit would double in effective DPS, since you are sitting on 30% rn

[bleak sequoia]

rifle attachments - go for all CHC?

[low narwhal]

Yes

[bleak sequoia]

I went for the Acog scope because I can't aim for shit 😄

[onyx sage]

well you do want both, but i see what you're coming from. after you get ceska and grupo, refarm your striker pieces and try to aim for higher crit on those pieces, these are the easiest to farm and then you can focus on getting better ceska/grupo later

[low narwhal]

You can always aim w lexington xD

[bleak sequoia]

also I needed +range for the Nearsighted talent (which was what the rifle came with, not recalibrated at all)

[low narwhal]

Get closer and stay in cover and shoot. The enemies run towards you anyways xD

No you dont need nearsighted

Go w DPS talent xD Lex be stable enough without it

[bleak sequoia]

yeah it's funny how it feels like a SMG

except it doesn't stop doing damage as soon as the enemy is not in your face

[low narwhal]

You managed to turn one of the best AR to SMG xD

what level is the lexington btw?

[bleak sequoia]

level 40, max rolls, thank you Ubisoft

I have 2 of them

[low narwhal]

v guud xD imagine trying to make a level 1 lexington work and wonderig where the DPS is xD

[bleak sequoia]

the bullets, they do nothing!

[low narwhal]

they hit like marshmallows xD

[light grove]

Caress them with your level 1 Lexington

[low narwhal]

if you feel obliterate chest is not good enough, try unbreakable for more survivability

[bleak sequoia]

ok I have (striker pieces): 8.6% CHD on mask, 4.1% CHC on backpack, 4.4% CHC on gloves, 5.9% Headshot (?lol) on holster

[low narwhal]

Even Santa's cooler works better xD

[onyx sage]

it'll backfire tbh, unbreakable only really works with more armor

would not recommend unbreakable for red builds

[bleak sequoia]

brb phone

[low narwhal]

oo i see! truu say, it is more effective with more armor.

[onyx sage]

imagine you already procced your OSP, then unbreakable procs and you think you're 95% armor so you take that hit again

and you die

unbreakable didn't save you the first time, OSP did

[low narwhal]

hmm truu sayy. I guess you have a chance to know where the shot is coming from so you can adjust or shoot back etc.

but the armor will be just as easy to break again

[onyx sage]

you could also just get back into cover and do that

there's a reason we don't use it outside of pvp or pve with high armor

[low narwhal]

yaa I guess

[light grove]

I was going to suggest entrench but I’m realizing it’s emboldening in a bad way.

[onyx sage]

it's all just because chest talent is too valuable to lose for me

[low narwhal]

how long does OSP take to return?

once its destroyed once

[fresh fox]

30 sec

[subtle bluff]

I hate seeing unbreakable chest in incursion.... They still die...

[low narwhal]

makes sense. They dont have much armor in the first place so pretty ineffective

[bleak sequoia]

Ok I swapped out my Fenris for a Striker's knees with CHD (no CHC striker knees yet) and equipped a Ceska holster. Weapon damage dropped from 88k->85k but CHC 30.7 -> 38.2, CHD 42.6 -> 51.7
Good trade?

[low narwhal]

yeppp

[low narwhal]

those stats look more solid. Now you need to work on maxxing CHD

you can also try get 60% CHC if you want

but when you get Coyotes, you want 50%, since coyote will buff it by 10% when you fight

[bleak sequoia]

I'll get more CHC once I replace Nearsighted with Strained and get rid of my Acog optic and put in CHC attachments

[noble bramble]

get shd 999. that will help A LOT

[low narwhal]

yepp that should work

or even 500, if you focus on CHC/CHD

[noble bramble]

in 2.5 days there is a 3x exp event. take full advantage of that

[low narwhal]

by full advantage, he means no sleep

[noble bramble]

lol

[low narwhal]

just grind

[bleak sequoia]

wait what? I thought they said this weekend was the extra XP weekend

I've been grinding today for 1x XP? 😭

[low narwhal]

yess definitely not today

im p sure

[noble bramble]

nothing wrong with that. do open world events.

[bleak sequoia]

sheeeeeit

[low narwhal]

SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTttttt

but in 2.5 days, you can grind again 🙂

more time to play division 🙂

[bleak sequoia]

well the good thing is, the grind is never wasted

[low narwhal]

frr. Today you sorted your striker

Tomorrow, you sort your levels

[bleak sequoia]

yeah Foggy Bottom is Striker today, AND the daily is there, AND the manhunt is there

gonna do more heroic CPs to get those good striker rolls

[low narwhal]

you can also do countdown

especially challenging. would be faster to grind gear

[bleak sequoia]

yeah I haven't tried it. I'm not too noob for countdown?

[low narwhal]

or heroic, if you feel bold

nope noone is

Just load in, set your targetted loot and be a sheep

Follow the group, shoot everything till nothing is alive and collect loot and extract

Important to stay in group. everyone goes to the same place and leaves the same way

Try matchmaking at challenging level

[bleak sequoia]

Should I use my FI healing build or this striker build? Neither one is optimized in any way

[low narwhal]

Also make sure to have 50 inventory spaces available

striker for now

the group will do the rest. And having DPS is important. Once you know countdown, you will know where to utilise FI the most

[bleak sequoia]

yeah I tried playing healer for a random group the other day. Heroic main mission, and we wiped repeatedly. I'm just glad nobody cussed me out for being a bad healer

I think it takes more knowledge of the game than just DPS

[low narwhal]

you should ideally play DPS mainly rather than healing until you know whats going on in the missions and what to expect

[bleak sequoia]

yeah exactly

I was like, "I'll put my hive here where I think everyone is staying" and then grenade spam kills the whole party

[low narwhal]

damnn xD

rip to whole squad xD

[bleak sequoia]

just can't heal through that amount of damage. Build and awareness needs work

[low narwhal]

To set targetted loot, press M to access map and then H and then select and press Escape

[low narwhal]

yaa, probably need to optimise build also. Also I doubt you have BTSU data glove, which works very well in healing builds.

by overcharging your hive and giving extra charges.

aswell as teammates skills

Do you use hive to heal the group?

[bleak sequoia]

yeah I was too stupid to pull out the chem injector thing

now I know I need both

so, thanks random group, your deaths taught me a valuable lesson

[low narwhal]

lol. lessons learnt through agent sacrifices

[bleak sequoia]

other people's sacrifices

best kind of sacrifices

[low narwhal]

yhh chem reinforcer and hive are good skills for healing

[low narwhal]

that contribute to your good xD

[bleak sequoia]

wait where is the Countdown quest icon on the map, can't see it

I see descent, summit...

oh pentco fiarview power plant

[low narwhal]

non

nono *

[bleak sequoia]

I have a main mission to do next to it?

[low narwhal]

that is probably general anderson mission

not main mission. Go back to DC

you wanna get to this screen

and then countdown is bottom left

and then select challenging

Maybe watch a quick YT to get the gist of it if you can

[bleak sequoia]

oh ok thanks I'll find a vid

[low narwhal]

it wont be long. Atleast watch until they kill the first hunter. And you can just play and learn

coz you need to know how to set the loot, in order to make this whole thing effective for you to play

[bleak sequoia]

right right

[low narwhal]

coz if you dont get loot, its a waste to play this mode lol

They will set loot within the first minute of touching down in countdown

[bleak sequoia]

yeah I need to unsuckify that Striker set so I can at least get my recals in the right gear items

oh it's the same loot setting for all players?

[low narwhal]

nono. each person chooses their own individual loot

but the mechanics on how to choose loot is the same

[bleak sequoia]

right ok so I just need to understand the UI so I'm not holding everyone up at the selection screen 👍

[low narwhal]

yaa i guess in a way

its not that a big of a deal

and you wont be holding anyone up. You will be left behind

and you have to navigate to them using the map

[remote canyon]

Anyone has a nice HC Exuro build?

[hexed steppe]

exuro isnt a good build, regardless of how you build it

[remote canyon]

I want to burn everything with my turret QQ

[low narwhal]

Make an artillery build

bomb everything instead XD

[remote canyon]

mhh advice how to build?

[low narwhal]

whats mhh? xD

[remote canyon]

i dont know if i want to change 😄

exuro in a 2man group is nice cc imo or not?

[low narwhal]

ohh lol xD

i thought "mhh" was a build nvm xD

[low narwhal]

could be xD but artillery build will dominate especially close quarters xD

I would advise, but i haven't built one myself yet. I am planning to xD

artillery and Grenade combined xD

[remote canyon]

Okay 🙂 no "mhh" was just thinking about it ^^

[low narwhal]

yuss i realised xD

my plan to build it was to have 1pc Collector exotic chest piece, 1pc Festive delivery, 1pc China light, 2pc Grupo Sombra

Those give grenade dmg boost and explosive dmg

with demolitionist spec

if collector exotic doesnt work, then i'd probably use glass cannon xD

[fresh fox]

better thing exist

[hexed steppe]

Pinned spreadsheed has a couple mortar builds.

For burning entire rooms, there is nothing better than eclipse protocol.

Once you apply a status to an npc, it will spread to everything within 15m upon death.
This is any status you apply, including environmental/spec ammo/weapon talent status (scorpio/iron lung/bluescreen/etc).

You use eclipse bag to get a 30% amp against status affected npcs, regardless of source.
Your status doesn't even have to kill, any type of death will see your status spread 15m.

A huge issue with exuro is the massive cooldown of the flame turret and the weak damage with pretty bad damage boosts.

If you fire eclipse you can see around 750k burn ticks from burn sticky/500k burn ticks from firestarter chem.

I cant really overstate how good eclipse is in groups.
With damage eclipse you also add vile, which has a seperate tick damage anytime a status is applied, regardless if it's a damaging status or non/low damage like spec ammo.

Check the fire eclipse setup in the pinned sheet. It's one of the easier to build sets and you'll definitely be impressed when you see it in action..

There is also a solid cc version, but for general use fire is kinda perfect

Make sure you use capacitor for skill damage and status rolls on gear. Fire can double dip from both attributes

[solar sable]

localnerd

[hexed steppe]

Hush 🤫

[subtle bluff]

More effort than we'd do. Why I have Playlist to explain stuff.

[bleak sequoia]

Game must have been listening to you because it just dropped a max-roll vector for me. It's no Ourobouros but it goes brrrrr just fine. Gotta recal that talent though. Maybe Sledgehammer?

[solar sable]

I'd say measured

[bleak sequoia]

ohhh good idea. I'm definitely emptying that mag in the first burst, might as well get the bonus damage

then swap to my primary for the main firefight

hmmm, but - what if I keep this on Flatline as a stack builder for a HB set, with technician, which means I can reroll the secondary attribute?

gonna leave it for a while, I'm scared to touch it now lol

[subtle bluff]

For HB and Technician you want the Vector .45 for the long rail so you can use the laser pointer.
Measure is really good with stack building but if you're already pulsing the target then flatline is really good.
All weapons should always be rolled to DTTooC.

[bleak sequoia]

damn I totally didn't notice the caliber. Yeah the tech laser pointer doesn't go on the 9mm Vector. In that case flatline is incredibly niche and not worth keeping...

[subtle bluff]

The Vector has 3 different version with different stats (WD, RPM & Mag size)

[autumn elbow]

OP heal build is still negotiators /BTSU gloves right?

[subtle bluff]

There is the pin posted. FI healer

[subtle bluff]

Nego is a Dmg gearset?

[autumn elbow]

Sorry not Negotiators meant Future initiative, and if theres builds posted will definitely check them out, ty

[subtle bluff]

Yes FI is still the best.

[autumn elbow]

ok sweet, im gonna assume striker is still dps king too then

[subtle bluff]

For overall yes but there are other stuff that good too now.

[fresh fox]

just say yes bro 😭🙏

[onyx sage]

yeah striker is the best ever, you have healer yellow striker, dps yellow striker, tank yellow striker

striker is the best bro

[tawdry flare]

You forgot the real meta gearset I can't believe it

[candid depot]

What should I change about this build?

[tulip charm]

Tbh every thing

[tulip charm]

What’s your goal with the build

[candid depot]

Idk

Maybe damage

[tulip charm]

Do you like chatter

[candid depot]

Kinda

[tulip charm]

Oh. If its damage then I would recommend building Strikers and/or Hunters Fury

[candid depot]

Ok, thanks

[tulip charm]

Check Pinned comment for the build guides.

[candid depot]

Ok

How about this now?

[subtle bluff]

No. Ninjabike is just bad. Check the pinned posts for the builds.

[candid depot]

how?

[candid depot]

can you explain

i already have a striker build

[subtle bluff]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/5a09344e-6227-f355-6f66-1e59fde12e4e
Go to Strikers. I'm not really wanting to type out a ton atm.

If simple don't use chest unless you can build the stacks quickly use backpack but it gives you more %.

[hexed steppe]

ninja basically locks out an important source of damage from highend bags or striker bag, and only returns some minor unlocks that are really no comparison to the damage loss

if you were gonna use the striker chest, you would also want the bag for max damage potential. if you can get and maintain the stacks

[candid depot]

does the chatterbox have stacks?

[hexed steppe]

stacks are really determined by rof and accuracy. you potential 200 stacks with the striker chest, the bag improves the damage increase of each stack. most of the time, striker will be assault rifle main then either smg/acs auto shotgun for stack building.

im not sure if i would even use chatterbox, but if its something you prefer you should be able to work with it

[subtle bluff]

Striker stacks or Chatter stacks?

[candid depot]

Chatterbox stacks

[hexed steppe]

chatterbox stacks are determined when you reload close to npcs

[candid depot]

Oh

So do I just switch the chest piece and backpack for striker

[hexed steppe]

you'll most likely want highend chest (glass/oblit) and bag (vigilance/unstoppable force), all else striker (4).

if you can maintain 200 stacks just add the striker bag.
your highend should be ceska and grupo

[molten thorn]

bag gives higher damage per stack, chest is the one that gets you to 200 stacks

[hexed steppe]

i think the pinned spreadsheet had ceska oblit chest and coyote mask still, which is still good, but not the top damage with the recent balancing/adjustments

[subtle bluff]

The evernote I send works.

[candid depot]

But if I'm going for damage, the shouldn't I keep solklov concern and walker Harris?

[onyx sage]

there are better options

[subtle bluff]

Not reading anything but this chat I see. CHC then CHD is what you want.

[hexed steppe]

yeah, and as i was saying its the old meta, prior to the adjustment

[candid depot]

I start want to use chatterbox

[hexed steppe]

i may have caused some confusion , OP build already has the chest at the time of message #td2-build-advice message

[molten thorn]

oh my bad I probs missed that when I was catching up

[subtle bluff]

Ya. I know meta isn't standard yet imo. But I understand.

[subtle bluff]

But you want damage...

[subtle bluff]

What do you want to hear from us? You seem to kind of read what we say and igrone the guides we've given you to explain the same thing we would explain.

[shy willow]

Chatter is a good gun but it seems much better suited to something like HF

Where you're incentivised to get in close

On striker you want something to work with at all ranges

I wouldn't run striker chest for general use either

[shy willow]

^ standard setup

[candid depot]

I'll try with HF

this?

[subtle bluff]

Stop with ninjabike backpack...

The HF Chest isn't good either.

Keeping it simple. Your goal stats wise is CHC ~55% ish then the rest into CHD. Using brandsets to get you is good.

[candid depot]

Ninjabike let's me have +10% smg damage, or +5% weapon damage

[subtle bluff]

Uh?

You get that anyways... someone help me before I get rot

https://lite.evernote.com/note/5a09344e-6227-f355-6f66-1e59fde12e4e
Go READ it

[onyx sage]

again there are better options, ninjabike is never an optimal piece

[hexed steppe]

actually its 5% dta, 13chd... at a loss of a lot higher multiplier

[subtle bluff]

I think he wants to be spoon fed answers.

[onyx sage]

by using ninjabike you're giving up a backpack talent and a few attributes and most of the time you need those

but in any case the best builds have already been thought out, this game has been out for 5 years

[hexed steppe]

memento fits a lot better on a hf build over ninja bag, and gives a hell of a lot more.

[subtle bluff]

My question still stands. What do you want to know?

[candid depot]

yea, but i'm using my other slots for an increase in damage

[onyx sage]

those slots are worse than memento lmao

[limpid elk]

pay no mind to the exhaustively researched build advice. just do what you want

[hexed steppe]

youre not really tho, thats what were saying

[candid depot]

sure

[hexed steppe]

another ninja user enters the chat

[onyx sage]

idk why he's even asking in the first place too if he goes his own way anyway

[hexed steppe]

[subtle bluff]

What do you want to know still is the question. Your posting pic and just leaving a Question mark. @candid depot

[limpid elk]

trying to theory craft or something i guess, despite it being a done deal

[subtle bluff]

I mean he's not even reading Anything...

Like he doesn't understand what Ninjabike does even.

[limpid elk]

i just started playing again 2 days ago. found the HF build, and am very happy

[candid depot]

yes i do

[limpid elk]

i love the up close n personal style for sure

[subtle bluff]

No you don't with this answer

[candid depot]

bro i mean with the other slots

[hexed steppe]

you would have those set bonus without ninja

[candid depot]

did you even fully look at the image?

[onyx sage]

here's the thing with weapon damage, on full red builds you have a ton of them, so crit bonuses would matter even more

and worse, with a good backpack talent like vigilance or versatile your damage goes up more, yes even if you compare with the brand bonuses that give weapon damage

[subtle bluff]

Do you read any of these Talents? One give you 25% more TWD.

[onyx sage]

and these talents give total weapon damage which is separate from weapon damage, it's a stronger stat because it's a separate multiplier

memento gives 30% weapon damage at full stacks, which is 3 times what sokolov gives you

and that's only the weapon damage part that memento gives you

[shy willow]

Ninja bike is nowhere near as powerful as you think it is

You give up a backpack talent for inconsequential stat bonuses

[subtle bluff]

Yes. You have a useless backpack. That you're not using for any good reason. Without the backpack you'd get a talent (dmg or surival) and more stats.

[shy willow]

That and the HF chest isnt very good

[hexed steppe]

im gonna kinda chalk this up to misinformation from youtube.

Saw, you wouldnt believe how fast some of us can pick apart the builds we see, usually to the point of knowing what named items youll be using regardless of info being provided or not. one thing you have to realize, sooner or later, is when we are putting out suggestions, its aimed at making your build better. i would just take a look at the sheet, follow one of the guides and get a build set. use the setup for a week, then go ahead and try the ninja version and compare youre actual results. once you see how strong a build can be, youll hammer down on ninja same as us 💯

[subtle bluff]

Also I bet he's doesn't have DTTooC on his chatter so he's missing 10% at the end of all his dmg.

[shy willow]

Memento does the jack of all thing 100 times better than ninja could dream of in it's current state

[candid depot]

bro i don't play this game as long as you