td2-build-advice

[hexed steppe]

Use glass so both chest and single source twd tsd bag will essentially both amp

[low narwhal]

twd? xD

[hexed steppe]

Tsd

I'm braindead for a second

[light grove]

So, that’s actually regular skill damage from the 4 piece bonus of the rigger set.

Like, same stat you get from the skill damage rolls on your gear.

[onyx sage]

i can't believe that's skyfire

[low narwhal]

nope chest is the buff

unless you mean smt else

[light grove]

I did, my mistake.

[onyx sage]

the set gives skill damage, the chest buffs that skill damage buff, and all that skill damage is the same as the skill damage on your gear is what he's saying

[light grove]

^

[onyx sage]

so you have multiple sources of skill damage but you'll get better returns having more multipliers

[hexed steppe]

Rigger just bad all the way around

[light grove]

_>’

[low narwhal]

if i use glass cannon?

[onyx sage]

or kinetic momentum

[low narwhal]

agreed if i cant use rigger chest, then it is p bad

[onyx sage]

well rigger's main selling point is the backpack

[low narwhal]

that makes more sense tbh. i built it before i learnt about opportunity cost xD

[low narwhal]

oo thats not in the kit. I was going for pure skill dps XD

Guess i will use the other skill build mentioned w glass cannon and force multiplier xD

[hexed steppe]

You want glass tho, you're I'm cover with afk anyways.

[light grove]

True. If that does become a problem, spotter and kinetic momentum are good alternatives.

[low narwhal]

ahh okayy noted

[light grove]

Spotter if you’re ok with dropping capacitor for insync.

[low narwhal]

doesnt capacitor give 45% skill dmg

if i keep shooting

[onyx sage]

60%

[low narwhal]

yhh i thought that too

[light grove]

I gotta put ifs in there ya know.

😛

[low narwhal]

xDD

think capacitor is bascially upgraded insync XD

[onyx sage]

trade-offs

capacitor requires multiple hits

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but if you are using cap it'll just do more damage than your skills if you continue to shoot.

[low narwhal]

yaa truu say

[low narwhal]

ooo how so. Insync+spotter give 30%. Capacitor skill dmg gives 60%

[onyx sage]

he means capacitor has more damage than your skills anyway

[low narwhal]

ahh okayy xD

[onyx sage]

because guns do that

[low narwhal]

yep!

[hexed steppe]

Not so afk incoming

[low narwhal]

i just misread my bad xD

[vestal ibex]

If you compare the total damage your cap does vs skills on a build that's build just for skills the cap will still do more damage if you are shooting enemies at the same rate as your skills.

[hexed steppe]

Not a bad thing

[light grove]

Spotter increases damage dealt to pulsed targets, it’s a completely different multiplier to Total Skill Damage as well.

[onyx sage]

maffs

[hexed steppe]

That's why you glass. Dont need to pulse/aim. Damage is always there

[vestal ibex]

Yeah just kinda funny and shows how weak skills are, imo skills shouldn't have gotten this much of a spot light and they should have been more utility and had gearset locked skills be truly powerful ones.

[low narwhal]

truu sayy

[light grove]

I always forgot you were such an OSP enthusiast

[low narwhal]

ooo i see!

[light grove]

You would have to use the skill kill talent on BP over force multiplier if you decide that route for glass cannon.

You have to land shots every 3 seconds so if you really want your skills to do it all, just remember what you have to do to keep your buffs active.

[low narwhal]

oo the 3s is fine i think

i can make that work xD

it will be more consistent than maybe skill kills xD

[hexed steppe]

Yeah afk benefit from tech support.

But tbf, I run around with perfect glass on mortar and force multiplier. PCA is good there because you can proc it just before mortar hits. 3sec uptime is irrelevant there

Same principal using mortar with glass as dps. Dead npcs dont shoot back

[low narwhal]

lol xD

i shall try it out and see!

[hexed steppe]

If you have good situational awareness glass is super easy to deal with

[low narwhal]

hmm truuee

especially since I have striker drone as decoy

[honest relic]

So i know this is old news... But there is definitely a bug with determined head hunter lol

[hexed steppe]

No no no, its "working as intended"

That's what some say, because instead of fixing the bug, they changed the wording on the talent

[honest relic]

Running one to one, with ever combo of damage talents i can come up with... Best damage i can hit with my gear is 8mil. Even with head hunter. As soon as determined is involved. My first shot does like half damage at 4.5 mil. Second shit 11 mill. Third and all subsequent shots do 18mil lol

[hexed steppe]

With ninja ? Sounds like ninja damage

[honest relic]

Thats with momento

[hexed steppe]

Oic

[honest relic]

Granted im not getting stacks in the shooting range

[hexed steppe]

Range testing

[honest relic]

Yes

All gear swapped had same stats

[hexed steppe]

Yeah, you should see 23ish stacked then

[honest relic]

Im doing 11.7 with the 1886 lol

Thats significant dps at how fast I can put that out

[honest relic]

22.9 with vigilance instead of momento

[low narwhal]

crazy numbers xD

[hexed steppe]

You're above 150% headshot damage, right?

[honest relic]

Fo sho. White death is 137% by itself lol

[hexed steppe]

Hh builds are really strong, puts most content on easy mode

Check your 1886. Hold g to swap weapon and see stats

[low narwhal]

yhh definitely, easy one shots xD

[honest relic]

My 1886 isnt a great one

1.06m with white death. Lmao 1.05 with 1886

Ahh. I see. I need to roll headshot damage on my 1886. Im at 65%

[onyx sage]

no, you need dttooc on everything lol

[honest relic]

I have... 8% lol

[onyx sage]

that's stronger than a hsd roll on the weapon because you have hsd already

say if you have like 100% hsd on your build already and you roll that extra 10% on, your overall damage isn't gonna increase by 10%

[honest relic]

Gotcha

[hexed steppe]

You'll need to be above 150% hsd to take full advantage of headhunter . You should be able to hit with gear rolls/sharpshooter/scope... but I'm not even sure if 1886 takes a scope tbh

[onyx sage]

it doesn't

[light grove]

1886 would only have a tube slot.

[light grove]

Funny thing is that you get the same issue with headhunter and Dodge city interacting and something along the lines of headhunter snap shooting 2-3 shots using Dodge city’s number values then silently disappearing.

I remember the testing around that and saw black magic numbers for the first time.. nothing like raucey one hitting raid bosses but it’s there.

[onyx sage]

we call it steroid shot yeah, first shot deals dodge city damage, second shot deals regular hh damage + dodge city bonus from first shot, third shot onwards back to normal

used it a lot in legendary speeds as well

[light grove]

It’s a steroid shot now? So I can call it a roid rage shot? Finally.

[onyx sage]

LOL

[honest relic]

Hunting more 1886, and white death... And if im lucky... A nemesis

Ah do weapons have a base amount of headshot damage?

[fresh fox]

each weapon class has their unique value

[grand scaffold]

can you get nemesis from a random exotic drop?

[versed summit]

Yes, once you have the blueprint

[grand scaffold]

ah i c

[honest relic]

I believe you just need 2 pieces of the nemesis parts to get it to drop on the one mission... The blue print that its

[versed summit]

Mmm I think so.

[light grove]

Yeah, you need the tidal basin part from dismantling adestria and at least one from any invaded stronghold, then run Grand Washington invaded to get the BP.

[hexed steppe]

Can get 2 parts this week while waiting for gwh to be invaded. If lucky itll be invaded tomorrow 🤞

Anytime manning is invaded, it drops a random missing nemesis part

[honest relic]

Just found a perfect scalpel. Marksman, headshot, and damage to armor

[sand scroll]

I got busy at work but I appreciate your reply

[honest relic]

Soooo weird. I seem to almost always hit about 4mil opening shot... Buut if second shot is also a head shot.. its 9 mil. Third shot is 15.9-16mil. As long as i keep my accuracy up. If i utilize head hunter and take a body shot damage is 12mil. Not bad numbers, and still requires accuracy.... And i get 6 skill tiers lol

By using only one slot for it and momento

[hexed steppe]

Nice

[honest relic]

In actual play... Its weird as hell. Im doing anywhere between 4mil and 16 mil a shot lol.

[onyx sage]

you know how headhunter works by now right?

a headshot kill gives you bonus damage for your next shot

it's not weird at all from how you described it

[honest relic]

It seems to stack each time. But then caps at up to 18 mil(last shot I just took)... Caps out .... (Ooooooh)....
A dim bulb brightens lol

[onyx sage]

yes it does lol

you can read the talent

[honest relic]

Theres that 1500% weapon damage lol

[honest relic]

To be fair a certain someone steered to the determined/hh combo so fast i didn't realize i was capping out LMAO

[onyx sage]

yeah you'll be able to do a lot higher than that with the proper build

[west blade]

im lvl 35, can anyone help me witha dps build and explain it to me, cus i dont understand how all stats and things work when making builds

[light grove]

Might be easier to get to 40 first. Don’t wanna stumble on the build branch until you get across the story branch 👀

[west blade]

ye ok easy thanks

should get there in a couple hours, grinded ts out if this in 4 days

[hexed steppe]

sorry in advance for text wall.
hit up the pinned spreadsheet in this channel when you hit 40. here are some easy notable setups you can keep in mind.

dps/damage
strikers -easy to farm
negotiators -easy to farm
hunters fury -easy to farm
heartbreaker -needs specific attributes so agent can roll armor to damage
cores.

sniping/1shot ( mmr/pistol)
sniper setups utilizing hotshot. -easy to farm
hunters fury is here too, much more advanced build when you have
better understanding of the mechanics

skill / status damage builds
turret/drone high end (afk) -easy to farm
eclipse protocol fire setup -easy to farm
Hardwire seeker spam -easy to farm
mortar highend -fun but pretty advanced, can test mortar on above listed
afk build, before farming unicorn pieces

[west blade]

what is this stricker - negotiators - etc?

[onyx sage]

gear sets

[hexed steppe]

check this out, its not updated to the current changes, but its a good reference and will allow you lookup most gear in one spot. also the pinned spreadsheet, but that was already mentioned . i think this link is in the pins as well if you wanted to independently source it. https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/

[lime bramble]

new to the game, is this considered a raid ready build for dps?

[fresh fox]

yea

just be careful with scorpio

[magic pilot]

Build is really good if it's chc/chd

[fresh fox]

code boxes in iron horse (shotguns/multipellet in general) and boomer in dark hours (team could be doing double down strat and you may mess up the shot count)

[lime bramble]

i have max chc and 100 chd, any suggestions for a replacement for scorpio?

[fresh fox]

classic m1a is pretty good

[lime bramble]

thanks for the advice guys

[scarlet rampart]

what's the best build for an aggressive playstyle?

[fresh fox]

i think you are way over capped on crit chance

@lime bramble

your crit chance with maxed attributes should be 55%

but you are way over that

with 0 watch stats

wait no 53% but close enough

[lime bramble]

ok I'll swap some crit chance for crit dmg

[fresh fox]

get to around 50-55

[hexed steppe]

a highend red dps should be getting better chd... do you use chc mods on you lexington? if not, then swapping those out and claiming a few chd rolls on the gear back

[hexed steppe]

this is my setup for he red. non elmo ar would have 15% less chd. you can reach close to these levels as you gain shd.

[low narwhal]

Also would be good to use striker shield instead of normal crusader shield if you can

[low narwhal]

HH HF with a shotgun xD

[gentle lichen]

It's genuinely so good

[low narwhal]

yes combine with regulus and they go skibidi pop pop

if you hit the headshots xD

[gentle lichen]

Hnngggggghhh

Regulus

[low narwhal]

maybe magnum with determined might work but im not sure xD

[faint ocean]

Its been a hell of a night learning all the tinkering quirks. But I finally learned a bunch. Really upped my CHD and CHC.

[low narwhal]

yes it feels good when you know how to adjust your build properly.

[low narwhal]

if you using coyote's mask, you can drop the CHC to 50%

otherwise, 60% should be okay

but make sure you are not overcompensating for the 60%, check if you can swap some CHD for CHC

[faint ocean]

Messed up one striker item. But only by like a percentage or two. Havent gotten the coyote mask yet. Ill hunt for it soon enough. And I still need to find a way to get better AR/LMG as they are my preferred weapons.

[low narwhal]

wdym messed up?

Coyote mask drops at Jefferson Trade Centre at heroic difficulty

Yaa do countdown and every 2 runs, you can unlock exotic cache and maybe hope for St.Elmo

or if you have lexington, also good

MG5, M249 good also tbh

Police M4, Carbine 7 also good choices

[faint ocean]

I only upped it to 14% instead when I could extract a 15% weapon damage. But all good. Havent seen too much of a difference.

[low narwhal]

ahh okay. You can still up it to 15% right?

either through optimisation or recalibrating it.

"upped" sounds you like you optimised it

[faint ocean]

Nah. I think I optimized it. So its locked.

Oh well. Nbd

[low narwhal]

ahh i see. Still can be optimised, unless your max weapon dmg for that gear item is at 14%

[light grove]

Weapon damage is probably the one gun stat that won’t have too much significance.

[low narwhal]

in that case, you gotta find a 15% for that gear item and extract and put it in library

and then after you can optimise it

[light grove]

Because you’ll have so much of it in the end.

[faint ocean]

Yup. I loaded up the library with everything. Just gotta keep farming to get items with the max attributes and then redo it.

[low narwhal]

yup! sounds good!

[thick fossil]

Hi, I have started this game again 😆🙃 and looking to get a couple of DPS builds and then skill builds.

Starting with strikers, would it be sensible to have any armour rolls?
I assume Shield and Pulse are the go-to with strikers? Or are there other skills recommended?

[versed summit]

Red is recommended. shield and revive hive are probably best starting out

[hoary sail]

full red core like he said. i don't recommande shield with all red core build cuse when ur shield is boken u are stun a few secondes. A decoy is better

[light grove]

Revive hive is one of the more guaranteed fallbacks. You can also try CC options to help you in a pinch such as riot foam or banshee pulse.

[versed summit]

decoy up time is minimal, and it's more complex to use effectively.

a shield will still double your effective HP, and while the disorient is a pain, you can play around it.

[magic pilot]

Shield is definitely easier starting out, but using other skills can be more rewarding

[hoary sail]

Well i never use shield on red core builds cuse i don't have armor core to up the tier of the shield. Decoy is better or other skills in my point of view. The shield mislead the beginners since you have more HP yeah. But when you can't have it, how do you do it? Afterwards they moan when the shield is no longer needed since they cannot do without.

[versed summit]

you don't need armor cores. it's still over 1 mil HP.

I mean learning to play without the shield is important too, but one thing at a time.

I don't use shield unless I'm using the striker shield, but it's very strong even on red builds. It's literally used in WR runs.

[hoary sail]

yeah i know but i prefer teaching stuff without the shields. Then if the guy want to try it it's up to him

[versed summit]

fair enough

[hoary sail]

Cuse if he does that he cans be more carefull how he engages enemies nd how he moves in the game. At least it's my point of view ofc learn the hard way

[light grove]

I’m personally of the belief that someone will ask for tips or learn it themselves at some point regardless if they will use the shield or not. I can’t really call something a crutch or detriment to gameplay if it’s.. well.. part of the game.

Skill is great and all but learning small stuff like corner peeking over ADS from cover is something most people learn far after build set ups or while builds are being put together.

[hoary sail]

yeah i see, like i said i teach without it but if the guy wants to try it later i don't mind

[warm knot]

Not sure if I should update my skill build for legendary... I've been running status for a while and I took a liking for shooting with capacitor. Thing is I'm not sure if I should swap tech support for (perfect)combined arms. What you guys think, is it more reliable?

I'm asking cuz I'm lazy to change the whole build.

[versed summit]

What skills? And pieces?

[warm knot]

Drone+turret
3x empress
1 wyvern
Waveform
Blue EG(10% armor on kill)
Glass, tech, in sync the mop, capacitor, technician.

[versed summit]

Tbh I’d run kinetic over glass if you’re going tankier

I don’t really recommend drone turrrt for legendary but it’s preference on tech support or combined arms. What are you getting more uptime on?

[warm knot]

Interesting, I forgot abt kinect. So that's a trade then.

I gotta try that. Kninect + combined and see how it goes.

[warm knot]

I dunno it works for me. I focus on targeting the drone freaks and medics with my own drone, and you get some minor CC cuz the enemies mostly focus on your skills. Also it melts robots and chungas. Good for playing with randoms.

[versed summit]

It just takes a while

[onyx sage]

i just kill everything when i play with randoms

[versed summit]

It’s true

I’m randoms

[onyx sage]

sir

[versed summit]

Sir

[warm knot]

We just get wiped when I play wirh randoms, yes. Lvl 10k+ with 2x brazos 3x striker and ninja 💀

[versed summit]

Yeah… that’s random matchmaking

[onyx sage]

i had to carry with 3 dead teammates many times yeah

sometimes no one dies, but then i die and then everyone else dies 5 seconds later

i just play like I'm solo every time i matchmake

[warm knot]

I'm just a casual yk. I can only carry in heroic with HF.

[onyx sage]

i die in 2 shoots, it's fine

[warm knot]

You running hotshot, HFHH or something?

[onyx sage]

HFHH and striker

[vestal ibex]

GC/vigi striker too

[onyx sage]

yeah

[warm knot]

Vigi striker? Ceska with vigi?

[onyx sage]

but i have so much random matchmaking experience now that it's almost like clockwork

yeah ceska vigi or the gift

[warm knot]

I gotta try that sometime too... Also I need a HFHH build, I'm just too lazy to grind for it rn

[versed summit]

What are you missing?

[warm knot]

Exotic big iron

[onyx sage]

you have the harvest?

[vestal ibex]

?

[warm knot]

That raid exclusive revolver which deals an aoe dmg

[vestal ibex]

Regulus.

Yeah you don't exactly need that.

[warm knot]

Got one with determined, not sure abt this talent.

[vestal ibex]

Harvest is a great stand in while you can also use a shotgun/sniper too.

[onyx sage]

you can just use that tbh

but there are a few choices for talent

close and personal, salvage, optimist, determined

i personally run salvage

[warm knot]

I think the loot goblin guy is still droping them... i gotta try getting one with dtooc then

[onyx sage]

yep

[edgy relic]

Does incoming repairs affect things like the set bonus for Belstone armory (1% armor regen) or the regen from the memento bag (3%)?

[light grove]

No. Only from skills.

[edgy relic]

okay, because I saw people running it for the catharsis, and I thought "does other passive healing/repairs work the same way?" logically I feel they should, because at the end of the day they are repairs, sort of how the bonus exp% directive that says "no armor regen between combat" but it actually disables ALL armor regen, but I guess that just isn't how it is coded.

[kindred mango]

Catharsis gives a fixed amount of healing. I doubt believe incoming repairs does anything for that item

[fresh fox]

not anymore

[magic pilot]

on full release it never has

[edgy relic]

Good to know, because i see people saying it works, and the logic is pretty sound, it activates a cloud, that cloud is similar to that of the healing seeker mine and just like the mine or like the healing trap or the repair chem launcher, it does aoe heal for you and teammates, thus the game treats it as such, because 5% isn't fixed, it is based on your armor value which can change, and if they simply coded the cloud produced by the exotic talent as "healing" the same way the aformentioned skills are coded then it would work. I don't know if it is misinformation or something but I have seen it in like 5 build videos all made within the past 4 months

so I will just not trust the build videos till I can see someone somehow do testing (probably the best way would be to run a build with 0% incoming repair and a build with over 100% and test against 1 enemy)

[magic pilot]

you can test it in the range with the dmg yourself button

[edgy relic]

yeah, i don't have catharsis lol

[vestal ibex]

You know how to get it right?

[edgy relic]

exotic caches

because it is one of those you cant target farm unless you have the BP first (like bluescreen)

[surreal depot]

im sorry for dying

[vestal ibex]

Just checking, didn't want you to waste a bunch of your time.

[edgy relic]

I prefer memento and I like the 1% from belstone, so for a total of 4% thats why I at first asked about incoming repairs affected passive/constant repairs

[vestal ibex]

Memento is better if you've got trophies. Depends on the content really.

[edgy relic]

memento with 30 trophies is 3%, catharsis is 5%, and IF incoming repairs affects catharisis, then with belstone you can easily make it 11% with your 3 gear mods. In DZ that is strong, so I was just trying to see if I could make something similar without catharsis specifically. 11% of 2million armor is ALOT of armor per second tbh

There is something that isn't clear to me for the memento, what is skill efficiency? is it like haste+damage or what?

[vestal ibex]

It's all the skills stuffies

[fresh fox]

it’s skill damage, skill haste, skill duration, repair skills, status effects

basically all yellow attributes

[edgy relic]

it even gives status effect? that is yellow but it is counted as skill efficiency?

[vestal ibex]

All of them.

[fresh fox]

yup

[light grove]

Skill health is also missing from this list. If you’re using a shield, efficiency will also give your shield more health.

or any of your skill proxies.

[fresh fox]

yea i didn’t think of that one because it SUCKS

[light grove]

I mean I guess?

[light grove]

That train of thought was followed when true patriot and pestilence was rampant in the DZ. Incoming repair beefed the white flag buff and pestilence dot guaranteed you to keep getting healing from it. The change to incoming repair to only be affected by skills is written in blood 💀

[low narwhal]

Ohh yhh that sounds like solid gun for TP🤔

[low narwhal]

It still works now? Pestilence continuous dmg proccing TP full flag ?

[light grove]

Not sure. It’s been a long time and the white flag debuff was the only real standout at the time.

[low narwhal]

Ahh i have TP tank build in the works so might try it out tbf😂

I wonder if applying status affects count as continuous dmg🤔

In that case, maybe vile masks also benefits TP

[onyx sage]

status effects don't proc TP

[low narwhal]

ahh damn :/

But oxidiser maybe goes well w TP.

[graceful coral]

Anybody got a good Lexington build set up? I'm currently running ACOG 4x, Loud Vent Brake, Verticle Grip, and Light Extended Mag.
I feel like I can do better tho.

[velvet beacon]

for me if no one will stun mob with foam, oxidizer is useless, to deal more dmg u need shoot multiple times to stack but mob run away from cloud

[velvet beacon]

striker xd

[graceful coral]

I mean does this help?

[low narwhal]

but even little dmg will proc TP well i suppose. I just want sustained TP usage i guess

[graceful coral]

+21 crit chance

[low narwhal]

yhh put it on

[velvet beacon]

yes

[low narwhal]

Its injects CHC/CHD into your build

stack CHC to max 50%, and then put everything into CHD.

[graceful coral]

These are the stats I've currently got, should I focus on raising anything?

[low narwhal]

and use Ceska piece for another CHC boost

[low narwhal]

yhh CHC, CHD be loww

[velvet beacon]

u dont have maxed watch

[graceful coral]

yep

[low narwhal]

what level are you?

[graceful coral]

lvl 150

[velvet beacon]

ew.. xd

[graceful coral]

190 if you count the pre-watch

[low narwhal]

xD

lol

go with ceska, coyote and 4 piece striker including backpack

if you wanna use Shotgun, maybe you can also use striker chest piece

otherwise use a Ceska Obliterate piece focusing on CHC/CHD

They should really make a poster explaining this first build that everyone gets xD

should be able to call it like

[graceful coral]

This is what I'm currently running.
I'll prob go to summit for Striker gear.

[low narwhal]

!newbieBuild xD

[velvet beacon]

ouch

[low narwhal]

nono, not his build

im talking from my continuation of text

actually maybe his too, now that i see it

what is the HB bag and hunter fury doing there?

you need atleast two pieces for its bonus to be effective

[graceful coral]

the bag is pretty nice tho

[low narwhal]

and what talent you got on the chest?

[low narwhal]

you can literally extract that, put it in your library and slap it onto any backpack

[graceful coral]

just another 5% crit chance

[graceful coral]

...what?

[low narwhal]

nono, the talent

[graceful coral]

ohhhh

[low narwhal]

scroll down on the chest piece

[graceful coral]

not useful for me cuz I don't run pulse...

[low narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCBIQre8iMUIxQkiCIQ1qVkyhes3ciYC-

If you have time, watch these videos to understand the game better

[graceful coral]

I got +5,000 armor regen on the chest tho

[low narwhal]

otherwise, you gotta learn on the fly and ask questions here

[low narwhal]

in the grand scheme of things, +5000 armor regen is nothing

Enemies hit for like 1.8 million

[graceful coral]

looks like my journey is just beginning despite having 230+ hours, isn't it

[velvet beacon]

and basicly if u have like 1m armor 5k regen gives u nothing

[low narwhal]

Avg gun output dmg is like 500,000

on the low end 300,000

on the high end 1 mill

[velvet beacon]

u need to read whats brand set gives u

[low narwhal]

crit dmg is about 2 mil

so 5000 is nothing

People usually consider that attribute to be a waste unless you have it on all 6 pieces.

[graceful coral]

Right, for now, let's just do basics.
Striker, right?

[low narwhal]

but even then

[low narwhal]

yep!

Striker w backpack, coyote mask and Ceska chest piece with obliterate

[graceful coral]

Right, I'll run my prio objective and then hit Summit.

[low narwhal]

doing countdown will be more effecient

[graceful coral]

Don't think I've played that yet

[low narwhal]

+50 loot per 20min, plus an exotic cache every 2 perfect runs

[low narwhal]

you can literally turn off your brain and play countdown challenging

Just set targetted loot when you load into countdown

and follow the group and shoot whatever they are shooting

[graceful coral]

I'll give that a shot after the prio objective. Thanks mate.
Gotta run the Wall Street Mission

[low narwhal]

this is what you wanna build @graceful coral ^

exactly just like that including skills

except for the smg tho xD thats a fun christmas weapon

maybe you can save this picture for reference or ask again

[velvet beacon]

secondary weapon acs-12 or named one rock'n'roll

[low narwhal]

what lang is that?

[velvet beacon]

polish xd

[graceful coral]

my allocations may also be shit, but I just know stat increase = good

[low narwhal]

i mean it works i guess. but i prefer SMG without striker. Hits more accurately and can still proc to max. But i guess its your preference to what you wanna use

[velvet beacon]

u can go striker with smg then xd

[low narwhal]

hmm on top left, focus on CHC first, then weapon dmg, then CHD, then HSD

[velvet beacon]

y

[graceful coral]

sounds easy enough.

[velvet beacon]

on max u will get +10%

[light grove]

Stoner LAMG with ROF substat and strikers

[low narwhal]

because with CHC, you can build crit builds, Then you wanna increase weapon dmg as that is the base of any multiplier. Then CHD so you can have more crit dmg. and then finally HSD, coz it counts part of CHD

[graceful coral]

stacking higher than the breakfast pancakes

[velvet beacon]

y

[graceful coral]

or our killcount as agents

[low narwhal]

well kinda xD but you also gotta factor in opportunity costs

You wanna have as many dmg multipliers as you can

You dont want one multiplier to be through the roof whilst not having any other multipliers

so you can have CHC (critical hit chance), CHD (critical hit damage), DTA (Damage to Armor) and DTOOC (Damage to target out of cover) in this game.

When collecting weapons, you should try get DTOOC as the third attribute

LMG naturally have DTOOC as second attribute but you can try get the third (minor) attribute as DTOOC

[velvet beacon]

also try to provide library with max rolls, if you want to tweak % on attribute by optimizing, you can only do it to values ​​defined in library, if u wanna recalibrate anything on item, for example u wanna do it on core attribute, u can recalibrate only core again, rest of attributes u need optimize, u can recalibrate one stat per item

[graceful coral]

...striker first, wizardry later.

[velvet beacon]

;p

[onyx sage]

you have to damage with a bullet so doesn't work either

[velvet beacon]

@graceful coral to the choppa agent 😄

[low narwhal]

Ahh i see! Thanks for pointing it out 🙂

[graceful coral]

"Throw the body into the chopper blades to make a nice meaty stew"

-TheRussianBadger

[light grove]

Space Magic!?

[honest relic]

Getting a non marksman rifle to hit the 150% headshot damage for head hunter.. is tricky

Just found a perfect 1886. Crit dam, rifle dam, and damage out of cover

[graceful coral]

hey guys which of these is better?

[subtle bluff]

You build it up with HS kills.

[subtle bluff]

Glue.

[graceful coral]

alright.

What's a good weapon for a PVP build?

I'm looking for range but good DPS and firerate

[keen ferry]

best PVE build? i dont like pvp

[subtle bluff]

There is no "best build"

Look in the pin posted.

[graceful coral]

I didn't ask for the best

I just need a good weapon

[keen ferry]

hes talking to me bro'

[graceful coral]

I need more sleep...

[keen ferry]

and thanks chow

big ups mate

[graceful coral]

if you want PVE, what playstyle do you run

aggressive plays I'd recommend an SMG like the Kriss Vector style guns, or a full/semi auto shotgun.

[keen ferry]

im an AR guy myself but i look forward to experimenting with SMGs

[graceful coral]

I would say run the Lexington then, but if you're new then you won't have it

Police M4 is a pretty good one tho

[keen ferry]

im ready for the grind, brother

[graceful coral]

I have 230+ hours of playtime and only have hit level 150

the grind is VERY real

if you want the good stuff, start with Dark Zones and locked boxes

[keen ferry]

i love games that dont run outta content. get home, get lost in virtual world

[graceful coral]

if the 2nd one gets boring, try the survival DLC in the first.

it's perfectly safe and nothing happens at the end :D

[subtle bluff]

Welp. Division content isn't great. There's only 3 "end-game" content. Then legendary. DLC should have more.

[keen ferry]

yah i have new york expansion im guessing thats where all the end game meat is at

[molten thorn]

incorrect. I haven't been to ny in what feels like weeks.

[fluid sage]

What are some of y'all builds for ravenous

[rich lotus]

here's my rav build:

[low narwhal]

I only go NY to collect matts from CP. Infact, journey missions was the only reason I was there. There is more meat elsewhere xD

[light grove]

Id imagine any regular ol rifle build would work. Not really much else different.

[onyx sage]

I'm building it rn ty

[blazing brook]

how lucky am i for getting an exotic from a random black tusk mob

[hexed steppe]

it happens

something like bounties will give chameleons as a common drop

you can up youre target loot drop chances by running directives

[rich lotus]

make a google doc

👀

[dull drum]

headshot dmg or crit dmg for pestilence lmg

[blazing brook]

my tank build so far (i wish i had 2M armor lol)

[rich lotus]

Neither increase the Pestillence tick damage so it doesn’t matter. Although with an LMG I wouldn’t expect to hit mostly headshots

[fresh fox]

crit chance

you are welcome guys.

[hexed steppe]

drop one of the gila guard pieces. after 3pc bonus its wasted

put a belstone instead and get another regen bonus

[blazing brook]

I was thinking abt doing that as well, thanks

[hexed steppe]

consider contractors, and get dta+lmg damage for pesti. if doing something with pfe, you could also farm chillout (gila mask) and swap off 2 of the other gila, maintaing 3pc bonus. would just need to move uzina to another spot .

just some thoughts tho. not sure the purpose but if you outline your goals, there are a lot of good builders that will help 💯

[rich schooner]

is there any way to make this better

i want a cool no reload build for when i run with my friends but i Feel like the damage output on this isnt great

[light grove]

You’re definitely going to need to build up more crit for that to work. The hunters fury pieces might be holding you back

You could try x2 sokolov for those slots instead… the strikers substats need help too.

I’d argue in the case of chatterbox, hunters fury might be a better gearset to use over strikers.

[rich schooner]

should i try and see if i can get magazine size buffs in there too or not worth it

[light grove]

The only option that allows that is Brazos 3pc. You’d have to not use a gearset to go that route.

Or true patriot… but I don’t think that works well if you’re trying to not reload with chatterbox.

Might be interesting actually… you can get a pretty big mag size increase with 3pc brazos so that might give you the edge you need.

[tulip charm]

Just use a bullet king

Chatterbox is mainly a solo gun.

[rich schooner]

whats bullet king

[light grove]

Negev exotic LMG that you don’t have to reload.

and gives ammo back after hitting 100 rounds

[rich schooner]

that could be fun bc i was looking at pestilence a little while ago

its an exotic I Assume right

[tulip charm]

The reason for the lackluster damage output is because you’re not building it properly.

Yes

[rich schooner]

alright ill probably see if i can get my hands on some caches then

[rich schooner]

just cant Find a good set for dmg

[tulip charm]

Well you picked both hunters fury and striker

They’re both extremely good by themselves

[scarlet sonnet]

Plus u need to focus on the attributes

[rich schooner]

i figured the SMG dmg bonus from hunter would be good and someone said to use striker in the other server

[tulip charm]

Well they serve different playstyle

The issue is that you’re mixing gearset

[hexed steppe]

pretty much all dps builds youre gonna need crit chance or crit damage. ceska and grupo highend pieces give that attribute. youll also gain 2 attribute spots with highend as well

[scarlet sonnet]

If ur building for pure damage just go for 4 piece strikers with crit chance /damage rolled onto them to start

It’s quite easy to farm in a few runs of countdown and should get u thru most content in the game

Also try get a ACS-12 shotgun instead of the SPAS to help build stacks up quicker

[tulip charm]

Just chech these guides on how to build them
Striker guide: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a/ed1072bcb59a18f66b8619994f12c4e6
Hunter Fury: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/dac488ca-a827-b49b-7b65-917751756b2c/bf5edc877964a987205b04cc6ddda64a

[hexed steppe]

adding 1 grupo with correct crit rolls will give you 25%cri damage and 6 crit chance. adding ceska will give you 14% additional crit chance and 12 crit damage. so combined youll increase your crit damage by 37% and crit chance 20% increase.. before any mods if applicable. unless i messed something up 😅

whats chatter 2nd attribute roll, just chc?

[rich schooner]

yeah

[hexed steppe]

so those pieces plus chatter is 48% chance, and it caps at 60%. you would use one other chance roll or mod then dump the rest into crit damage. it wont need any additional crit chance once your watch chance is leveled

[rich schooner]

ok so should i drop the hunter pieces for the grupo and ceska

[tulip charm]

yeah

[hexed steppe]

💯

any crit dps you want to push chance as high as possible within reason. so somewhere between 50%-60%, youll see a lot higher dps overall

[tulip charm]

Also find a good ceska chest piece

[next thistle]

I’m trying to build a striker tank build what pieces I need

[low narwhal]

Maybe blue striker with 2 piece belstone armoury pieces?

[versed summit]

what content are you planning on using it in?

[next thistle]

Everything

[tepid spire]

whats the best brand/gear set meshes with coyotes mask the best? the build in question is just a full red/dam.

[warm knot]

I'm no build expert, but most of dps builds can fit coyotes. Striker, OD, high end builds.

[tepid spire]

ill give it a look, and od is on a mission i can grind quickly

[warm knot]

OD is simple to assemble exept for the bp. You need a ceska with chc/chd and wicked talent, coyotes and fill with 4x OD. Survivalist is a good specialization cuz of the team buffs or gunner cuz of the banshee pulse since you need an status effect to trigger the hp ammo.

[tepid spire]

and im guessing strikers is simple?

[warm knot]

Weapon talent is sadist. You can also use scorpio to trigger the hp ammo. Personally I run an ACR-E and GR9 lmg. I trigger the HP ammo with molotovs

[warm knot]

Yes. There are 2 main dps versions. Obliterate and 200 stacks.

[patent fossil]

Gunner aok and ammo regen really help on OD if you want to run all directives

[warm knot]

Check the pinned spreadsheet if you need more details. But it goes as simple as

Ceska chest with obliterate, coyotes, 4x striker

Coyotes, ceska off piece, 4x striker.

Get to at least 50% chc and above 100%chd

[warm knot]

To be honest the ammo regen thing is useless, at least for me. I run a GR9 with 235 ammo belt. I never run out of ammo bc the HP ammo doesn't actually consumes you normal ammo afaik.

[tepid spire]

this very infodump, thanks you tho, no disrespect

[warm knot]

Since I run an lmg and this build has no armor regen, I go with KARD and the seeker from survivalist.

[patent fossil]

Yeah but it gives you that bit to start off with and helps when you're dealing with extra tanky enemies that you can't one clip (for those of us using an AR)

[warm knot]

I take back what I said. I didn't see when you mentioned running directives. If you're running pistolero that ammo regen makes a lot of sense. I only run 3 on heroic, no regen, fog war and special ammo.

[devout iris]

Which Revolver is better with determined? The harvest or the prophet

[patent fossil]

Harvest

Perfect determined works far less effectively than regular determined

[vestal ibex]

Perfect determined is balanced unlike it's non perfect counterpart.

[patent fossil]

Harvest also has higher base damage which is great for reliably one shotting with headhunter stacks

[light grove]

Wait, the only distinction is the guaranteed crit.. pardon my ignorance but how is only doing headshot damage on body hit more unbalanced than getting both a crit and headshot damage?

[vestal ibex]

One re procs itself while the other drops...

[light grove]

If I didn’t remember the original bug on determined I would’ve said you were screwing with me… I now remember the old conversation I had with some people about it and remember them mentioning “they fixed it but not precisely”

[shy willow]

They reverted it then reverted the revert

[vestal ibex]

They gave up on fixing it and just said yeet on the normal determined.

So normal determined is just OP and game breaking basically.

[light grove]

So.. normal determined can body shot and proc headhunter still?

[shy willow]

Yes

Once you have proc you could hit a pixel of someone's toe and still get a headshot kill

[vestal ibex]

You'll just drop HH on helms and robots but if you kill the robots(or other strange things like drones placed destroyable helis) determined will re proc after they die.

[light grove]

I think I’ll stop talking about it.

I have a lot of questions but I have a feeling silence is better.

[vestal ibex]

Naw you good.

It's probably never gonna change.

It's a hot topic too, tons of people want it fixed for game balance while others are like "pls no I wanna toe shoot people and be rewarded"

[light grove]

It might be because I’m playing on PlayStation for a while. I don’t see it happening often on that front in any sort of matchmaking. I don’t know what PC MM is looking like right now, hence why it feels disconnecting.

I remember how rampant HH determined was… if it’s here it should be worse.

[shy willow]

Nah still rampant

Go to farming build

[vestal ibex]

Lots drop it cause it's too cheesy tbh

The game being a bit difficult makes it more fun, determined just ruins that difficulty scale especially when you learn how to effectively kill helmed enemies and re stack.

[light grove]

I have no disagreement there. Doing headhunter with MMR is the exact same for that scenario…

It being in a pistol that can fire quickly at the same power? Naw.

[vestal ibex]

It's just the pistol being lower base damage means it's harder to build and your breakpoints are harder to hit.

Sniper setup is just easier to use and build.

[velvet beacon]

im using 1886 riffle for one tap build

[onyx sage]

hell yeah riffle build

[rich lotus]

People is this good for PvP

Hunters Fury Set, Lady Death, Memento, Sokolov chest with intimidate talent

55 crit chance 120 crit damage

[blazing brook]

tank build I just made with the new gearset

[fresh fox]

no

[magic pilot]

Short answer^

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15ZSQxcMcRGxa05SlI3XyaQl9OF0Qorpk7ZYwv2r8YFc/edit

[blazing brook]

but why not?

[magic pilot]

Was getting there

Google sheet is the long answer

[fresh fox]

he is using on kill stuff

which isn’t really that great

[blazing brook]

that's crazy

[fresh fox]

unless you have easy access to kills in like dz

[blazing brook]

true, when you think about pvp

[fresh fox]

but even then hunters fury is kinda buns for that

[magic pilot]

Even then, the timer is so short

[blazing brook]

not worth it on conflict ig

[fresh fox]

def not in conflict

[blazing brook]

but the memento + lady death is great

[magic pilot]

There are better pvp smg builds linked in the google sheet

[blazing brook]

just gotta tweak the talents

ig

[fresh fox]

fine in dz if you have trophies stacked and on the floor ready for pickup

[rich lotus]

So what is ur explanation apart from just no?

[fresh fox]

.

[fresh fox]

.

[fresh fox]

.

[magic pilot]

Also the spreadsheet

[versed summit]

Is hunters fury actually on there?

[magic pilot]

Yes

[shy willow]

lady death seems decent for pvp but I wouldn't run memento

[magic pilot]

Wait no it's not lmao

It was

[shy willow]

probably better off running electrique and all for smgs though

[versed summit]

Lol

[magic pilot]

I'll add it back on there later

[onyx sage]

hunter furry build in capitol solo when goat?

[versed summit]

It's getting better. slowly

[graceful coral]

I'm good with Striker Drones, Any Turret, and Any Seeker.
Which should I run @low narwhal

[low narwhal]

but you need to run them every 15s.

or 20s actually. dont think cooldown is fast for that

what gun do you use?

and what gun exotics do you have?

[graceful coral]

Well rn I'm running Lexington and Like Glue

I can list what exotics I got in my Stache tho

[low narwhal]

Lexington be a solid gun

So do you have a Fenris chest piece?

[low narwhal]

sure thing

[graceful coral]

uhhhh no

[graceful coral]

aight, gimmie a sec

Sweet Dreams, Overlord, Scorpio, Diamondback, Bluescreen, Iron Lung, Chamelion, and Lady Death.

Any of those good to replace either of my primaries?

[low narwhal]

no lexington is good enough

[graceful coral]

what about the Like Glue tho

[low narwhal]

hmm, Scorpio will be a good choice

If you shoot w scorpio, it like disables the enemy the more you shoot it

Its in the description

[graceful coral]

alright.

this looking good?

(haven't touched gadgets yet)

[low narwhal]

yes looking much better

do you have striker shield unlocked?

[graceful coral]

forgot I unlocked that lmao

[low narwhal]

lol better choice if you using firewall

Also for the chest, can you modify to obliterate?

[graceful coral]

Don't have it. I'll have to look for it.

[low narwhal]

tbh i dont think you have it in library, but worth a shot xD

[low narwhal]

ahh okayy

then chest kinda useless

unless you drop the shield and take like a striker drone

You gotta release striker drone first before you attack so you get the 15% dmg bufff w spark

[graceful coral]

I can swap the revive for it. Don't get downed too much anyways, and I doubt I'll go down now with this.

I also have the DLC gadgets and a few of the manhunt ones if any of those are better

[low narwhal]

You might get downed because you dont have armor

before you were rocking with 2 armor cores

now you dont have. Before you sat at 1.1m armor, now you sit at 700k armor i think?

[graceful coral]

I've still got 700k armor

[low narwhal]

thats like half the armor you had before XD

i mean you can try. idk how good of a player you are in combat

but if you get downed often, then better to have reviver

[graceful coral]

What I lack in competence I make up for in bs victories

[low narwhal]

competence in adjusting gear set shall increase as time goes on 🙂

[graceful coral]

nah, we ball

[low narwhal]

so striker drone or we gotta find another chest? i guess you can also wait to loot a chest imo, but gear is much better than before

also can you change talent on lexington, its kinda useless

[graceful coral]

Really? I feel like skill repair on headshot would be good with a shield.

[low narwhal]

Where do you have skill repair?

oo like holstered regen?

or shield regen

[low narwhal]

hmm i highly doubt that talent affects that

let me check

no it doesnt

but one way to make it work is by using artificier hive

which means you cant use firewall specialisaiton

since im sure its locked by technician spec. let me check

yhh its in technician spec

[graceful coral]

I got an Optimist Talent I can put on it

it's on one of my regular legendaries

[low narwhal]

yess better talent!

Measured is also another good talent

[strong cave]

Measured is half as good as optimist. The best DPS talents rn is Optimist, Killer and Strained

I recommend optimist or strained

[low narwhal]

ahh okayy. Was gonna suggest strained

with an explaination XD was tryna say the longer the gun fires without reloading, the more effective strained becomes

[strong cave]

Go optimist so you get straight damage. Since striker, I dare say run killer

[low narwhal]

but i couldnt english for a bit xD

[low narwhal]

truu say

[strong cave]

If you're running a few blues, go strained

Honestly any of those 3 talents are acceptable. Optimist would be easiest to use

[graceful coral]

How's it looking now?

[low narwhal]

thats looking pristine!

if you lose that gun, imma come find you xD

[graceful coral]

I'm just happy I got the gold skin for it

I also somehow got two of them

[low narwhal]

Im just happy, thats like the best stat on it

[strong cave]

Yes you can shoot for a while, but remember that a good portion of your damage is traded for rate of fire. Lexington rate of fire is fine on its own and the damage is good. Why nerf it with measured? Only the second half of the mag will deal serious damage

[graceful coral]

Which one, Optimist?

[strong cave]

Damage to Target out of Cover

[low narwhal]

everybody did

[strong cave]

Targets are almost always out of cover. Free damage

[low narwhal]

nono, you mis read. My description was for strained, not measured xD

[strong cave]

OOPS SORRY LOL

[graceful coral]

I feel like my attachments could be better

[low narwhal]

no worries! 🙂

[low narwhal]

yhh no need for optimal range

Now that your build is together, you need to aim for CHC/CHD

[hexed steppe]

I though it was the opposite. Strained on red cores, optimist on armor cores.
Also, isnt measured on the running again as a decent talent?

[strong cave]

Change sight for crit chance, laser sight crit chance and muzzle for crit chance

[low narwhal]

check your stats sheet and tell us our crit chance and crit dmg

it should be two tabs on the right of inventory tab

at the top navigation menu if you understand me xD

[strong cave]

I run strained on blue cores mostly because it'll take more bullets to kill an enemy from missing weapon damage. It's due to my personal preference tho

As for measured, it hits but it'd be easier to just run Optimist/Umbra if you really need rate of fire

[graceful coral]

Didn't have a crit sight, so this is what I'm running.
(Sight gives 30% accuracy)

[strong cave]

Craft one

[graceful coral]

I'll see if I can

[low narwhal]

you should craft mods that give CHC/CHD on guns

[strong cave]

^

[graceful coral]

I just craft whatever I can. I got resources to spare.

is the KARD-45 better than the 586 magnum?

[strong cave]

The harvest is the best pistol for damage. Kard Custom and Orbit are probably the best sidearms you can carry

[low narwhal]

if you have like skill tier 2-3, otherwise TDI KARD useless

[strong cave]

They slot in well on a lot of builds

[hexed steppe]

That's fair.
I noticed on lex with strained it wasnt even capping the talent before reload. Ill probably burst fire to extend time its stacking.

Tbh, I have barely ran dps this season. I still got builds to adjust, just been lazy

[strong cave]

Slap killer on it and run striker. You'll crit for 1.2-1.4m it's nuts

Depends on expertise

[low narwhal]

The KARD must give you skill tier btw. the other variant is not as useful

[graceful coral]

...skill tier? on a gun?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah , I got exo components burning a whole in my pocket anyway. 27 it is

[strong cave]

Kard TDI Custom comes with a +1 skill tier attribute

[hexed steppe]

When held *

[low narwhal]

yep. thats why its a named pistol

[graceful coral]

I've just got the base KARD-45

[low narwhal]

ahh drop that

[strong cave]

When held yes, I was getting there lol. If you carry a TDI, I recommend Flatline or Finisher for talent. Maybe sledgehammer

[low narwhal]

magnum or harvest is better. You can get harvest rn from loot goblin

keep finding him and hope for DTOOC or like headshot dmg

[strong cave]

Dtoc > HS damage

[graceful coral]

Any of these good over the 586?

[strong cave]

Harvest

[low narwhal]

probably the prophet is good

[strong cave]

Honestly none of those are good

[hexed steppe]

I keep tdi pairs, sledge and insync, on each agent

[low narwhal]

but get a magnum and apply the same talent as prophet

its better than the perfect version

[strong cave]

I keep them with finisher or flatline. I roam DZ alot and that extra skill tier is nice for decoy/pulse

[graceful coral]

KARD-45 was equipped, whoops

[strong cave]

It's nasty with nightwatcher 😂

[low narwhal]

thats the best you got. But go find harvest

You cant get it after winter event is over

so go find loot goblin asap

[graceful coral]

ooo that shit good

[graceful coral]

is there a way to find em easily?

[strong cave]

Good for 1 headshot tho 😂

[hexed steppe]

No it isnt. Perfect actually works as intended

[strong cave]

YouTube, there's farms for them. DZ South entrance should have one nearby

[graceful coral]

chain headshots for crits every other shot

[low narwhal]

that shii better without the perfect version. Coz the last sentence is opposite for the unperfect version

[strong cave]

Harvest with Determined is better bc every headshot proc'd the talent. Perfect does not

[graceful coral]

I got salvage on the 586.
put that on there?

[low narwhal]

yhh Jefferson Trade center, DZ parking or DCD headquarter. Best to youtube for good tutorial

[strong cave]

Summit has a chance as well

[graceful coral]

I'm down to run summit, been wanting to beat it

[low narwhal]

yhh i guess that works. if you cant change talent to determined, then salvage is good enough

[hexed steppe]

Just put whatever you got until you get a pistol worth being on a build. Itll be passive xp towards proficiency

[mint axle]

Am I the only one who thought like: so the perfect version is worse than the regular one??.

[low narwhal]

we all think that xD

[graceful coral]

I grabbed the Salvage thing, but it won't let me put it on.

[strong cave]

It's honestly easy but tedious as fk. 100 floors

[hexed steppe]

No, I've got into discussions where regular determined is "working as intended" because the description matches its usage.
The fact that they broke it trying to fix and reverted is the only reason they opted to change the description

[graceful coral]

I've been doing it on and off.
Think I'm on floor 70

[low narwhal]

coz you need to collect matts from open world and you need to go countdown, farm good loot and put it in your library

plus i dont think you can modify prophet talent

[graceful coral]

shit

[onyx sage]

prophet is locked to perfect determined, find a regular magnum or farm the harvest

[hexed steppe]

Cant be broke if the description matches.. bug solved, beer and pats on the backs for the dev team

[low narwhal]

is your 686 high end or purple?

[strong cave]

I have to stop bc doing the 15 floor projects get old fast

[graceful coral]

it was a high end.
that's what I scrapped for Salvage.

[strong cave]

Especially when you get a dozen floors and it's all terminal hacking

[graceful coral]

I feel like 5% of my rooms are Rogue Agents

[low narwhal]

ahh you should have kept it rip

[low narwhal]

just use prophet i suppose. it works half the time xD

good enough for now until you get harvest

pistol not a big deal now tbh

[graceful coral]

Let's test out this new setup on that White Tusk from earlier

[hexed steppe]

Tbf the pistol isnt going to be used 99% of the time unless its regulus

[low narwhal]

yhh frrr

[graceful coral]

Damn this shotgun crazy
(He WAS a tank.)

[low narwhal]

show us. You need to make your chest useful unless you use striker drone

oo you are. pull it out before the encounter

[strong cave]

I've had regulus pistol for a while and I still don't even use it

[graceful coral]

I still have the pistol from the start of the game, I should equip it just for memes lol

[strong cave]

It's still good. They completely ruined the reload speed on it

[low narwhal]

go for it, you probably wont even use pistol

unless you in a no ammo directive or you finished all your ammo

[urban latch]

Mines purple

[low narwhal]

Thats ready for legendaries! Solid set up!

i mean at one point, purple pistol was considered busted xD

[hexed steppe]

God mode activated

[urban latch]

everything is maxed lol

[graceful coral]

Round 2 ya glorified LMB

[low narwhal]

why did you max it? its meant to be the other way. The closer you are to 0, the closer you are to God-mode xD

[urban latch]

Cause I'm a noob

[graceful coral]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME SWAMP-ASS HAS THE OXIDIZER CHEMLAUNCHER GRENADE THINGS?!

FUUUUU-

[low narwhal]

dont worry, next time 🙂 try getting the green color of your exact kit. Heard they were better.

[low narwhal]

damnn xD. how did you get melted xD

maybe slap on some armor cores xD

[tepid spire]

holy

[graceful coral]

very violently.

I felt like I was made of pop rocks

[low narwhal]

Thats why i suggested reviver hive xD

[graceful coral]

yeah but then plate is worthless

might run turret cuz it's like a decoy... but use more gun.

[low narwhal]

And chest can be better. You can either try unbreakable for chest (w reviver hive), so you get like 3 chances before you die forever

[mint axle]

BT doesn't call him "Swamp-ass" for nothing

[low narwhal]

or obliterate and some blue cores

[low narwhal]

hmm i thought striker drone will be more of a decoy lol xD

[graceful coral]

sounds like my kinda kit

[low narwhal]

you need to farm the chest on a Ceska piece to get the best variant

and also I think your CHC/CHD can also improve

show me your CHC/CHD on the stats sheet

CHC matters a lot

[graceful coral]

well, while i got ya here, wanna squad up and run Descent?
might as well practice a bit

[low narwhal]

im not on today, but tmr for sure 🙂 but i wont be playing for long. only about 4 hours

ill start playing literally rn tmr for 4 hours xD

[graceful coral]

what time is it for you rn, wanna make sure timezones aren't a problem.
5:11 PM rn for me

[low narwhal]

22:12 for me

i game till 2am

[graceful coral]

christ 5 hours ahead?

[low narwhal]

and i dont have mic btw

[low narwhal]

yepp seeing the future from here

[graceful coral]

Ey when does WW3 start

[low narwhal]

clearly not 5 hours ahead xD I'll give you a 5 hours warning when it does xD

[graceful coral]

well, I got my new build to hold em off thanks to you lol

[low narwhal]

2 v countries lol xD

[graceful coral]

[low narwhal]

i shall bring my artillery build to bomb them from the back, while you hold the front XD

[graceful coral]

PATTERSON FIRE A WARNING SHOT-

[low narwhal]

they not alive anymore XD

warning shot eliminated them

[nova shoal]

what should i do about the outher two

[low narwhal]

why future perfect?

what kind of build are you trying to achieve?

[nova shoal]

mostly just headshot for mmr but wanted the chest and back to mix well togehter

[low narwhal]

ahhh

for chest try Headhunter

for backpack try Vigilance

if you feel like you take dmg often, then try composure (10% less dmg than vigilance)

and get determined on the m700 carbon

[nova shoal]

ah okay and id headhunter a high end ?

[low narwhal]

headhunter is a chest talent

you can equip on any high end chest piece

preferably Airaldi or providence

[nova shoal]

ah nice ill look

[low narwhal]

and change spec to sharpshooter (extra 10% HSD)

for skill you can use tactician drone instead of scanner

also means you cant use artillery turret

maybe assault turret if you really wanna turret

[fresh fox]

chainkiller >

[nova shoal]

ah okay thx btw where do u get the m700 i just using arti

[low narwhal]

isnt your MMR a m700 carbon?

i might be mistaken

[low narwhal]

or this chest also works ^ @nova shoal

[nova shoal]

ah okay and scalpel is the one im using

[low narwhal]

perfect version

[low narwhal]

ahh i see! you would want white death or any MMR w determined on it so you can synergise nicely with your chest

[nova shoal]

my best white death

[low narwhal]

upgrade the top stat and use it

[nova shoal]

perpertation is the talent tho

[low narwhal]

you can change the talent on it

to determined

[nova shoal]

done

[low narwhal]

v nice!

[nova shoal]

time to go try get the chest

[low narwhal]

the heads be popping!

@nova shoal https://prnt.sc/dzqsWQXW_7AE

they have a decent roll if you dont have chainkiller or headhunter on other said pieces

[covert spindle]

how rare are sys corruption piece drops? trying to farm it rn in DZ

[molten thorn]

rare enough that the best way to farm it is to farm stars during GE's and buy legacy cache's

[covert spindle]

shiiiit okay

[rich schooner]

alright ive got dodge city gunslinger and the harvest how do i set this up to Become a pistol demon

i should focus headshot dmg because of quickdraw right

[onyx sage]

there's a guide for it in the sheet, standard red dps

[rich schooner]

oh awesome thanks

[hexed steppe]

standard red dps doesnt mention headhunter as a chest talent (afaik). if you do plan on using dodge city/determined harvest as a headshot build, make sure you add in chainkiller and adjust attributes for hsd.

if the intent is just to have a pocket nuke, and not a full build revolving around headshot/chainkiller , disregard this msg👴

[rich schooner]

ill try it out and see what i like thanks

what item had the perfect vigilence

says it needs to be on the backpack

[hexed steppe]

gift. its same damage tho. just one second less on the downtime

use regular in a brand you prefer. perfect vig pairs well if also planning on perfect glass since both are providence. utilizing 3pc providence is a way of squeezing extra chd into the build

gift bag is also dz exclusive

[rich schooner]

yeah honestly i might just throw this in with my chatterbox because my main issue w that was damage anyways

[hexed steppe]

look into hunters fury then

[rich schooner]

i had 2 pieces on that

[hexed steppe]

damage when cqb, kills disorient nearby npcs, armor on kill

[rich schooner]

i was thinking maybe i swap the grupo and cezka pieces with the 2 hunters fury for the SMG and shotgun dmg boost

[hexed steppe]

not worth

specific weapon damage is additive with all your red cores, youll already be stacked. youll also lose 2 attributes because gearsets (green) only have 1 attribute. ceska/grupo better. with better crit stats you increase that as a multiplier. crit will have a better impact since its not nearly as stacked.
as an alternative, if you were really set on adding smg and shotgun specific weapon damage, add sokolov and badger tough and keep all the attribute space.

99% of the time, youre gonna 4pc a gearset, or 0 piece a gearset.
hotshot kinda the only exception to this.

[rich schooner]

yeah Good points ill just stick w the basic build for now then see if i want to switch up later once i get my watch levelled up or something

[covert spindle]

is this a halfway decent build? i know, next to nothing about proper builds in division 2 lmfao

[subtle bluff]

Pin posts. For builds.

[hexed steppe]

waveform doesnt really have a spot in this build. skills wont be strong, so waveform kinda lowering overall damage. swap that out for contractors gloves (lmg damage / damage to armor).
pestilence is pretty good now, but performs best in a weapon damage/crit build. the talent will use (total) weapon damage/amps/dta for the tick damage. regular crit build will improve its regular damage while shooting.

im not a huge fan of truepatriot as i dont think its really strong, but im not gonna throw shade on it. if you roll in a team a lot, i would look into ongoing directive as a team buffer build. for this i would swap in a couple red cores and make sure all attributes are crit chance/damage.
gunner spec will give you increased rof and armor on kill. will also replenish some ammo. gunner pulse (banshee) is a great utility skill with a shorter cooldown.

[covert spindle]

ty!!!

[summer harbor]

This build any good?

[hexed steppe]

Should be ok. You might get a highend bag with vigilance or unstoppable force. Glove isnt doing much and could easily be heartbreaker

[summer harbor]

Swap gloves for heartbreaker and a bag with vigilance?

[summer harbor]

^

[hexed steppe]

Yeah. Your bonus armor will protect vigilance as long as actual armor doesnt take damage.

[summer harbor]

Sweet thank you buddy 🙂

[hexed steppe]

I'm not sure your attributes but it looks like you are focusing crit chance > crit damage

[summer harbor]

That’s correct I wanna be tanky but do good dmg

[hexed steppe]

Grupo would be a good bag brand.

Perfect, you'll fne tune as needed based on preference 🍻

[summer harbor]

That’s awesome thank you

[hasty sluice]

wait fr??? Thats wild.

[shy willow]

Same with shield

[hasty sluice]

well yeah that makes sense, but bonus armor doesnt.

[vestal ibex]

Bonus armor does

The only time you'll lose vigi is when your white armor bars take damage.

[low narwhal]

thats quite cool. didnt know that

[magic pilot]

Also chunga bleed does not drop vigi if you have a shield out

The intial stinger hit is what drops vigi, so if you have a shield that takes the intial hit but you get the bleed

[rustic grotto]

hey guys, im new to this game so the problem is i really dont know how to max out all the core stat like this guys, and im also kinda want to build a load out with backfire but im really dont know how to reduce the bleed damage. Is there any guide about it. Tks.

[low narwhal]

in that specific glove that you are showing information about, the core attribute is changed (recalibrated), and the minor headshot dmg attribute is upgraded (optimised).

in order to do that, you already need to have those stats at max in your library, by finding other gear and extracting off it.

and then you can go around maxing any gear if you already have those specific attributes at max in your library

[low narwhal]

in my opinion that deathgrips glove is not worth it, but to each to their own. You can literally wear palisade steelworks glove and gain the 10% armor on kill as a brandset bonus and make space for another attribute like CHC/CHD

[low narwhal]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?gid=1006013297#gid=1006013297

there are some builds in there.. probably w backfire too

Personally i dont recommend it as your first build but you can play how you want 🙂

[ocean ingot]

If you don't mind trophy picking you can run memento and something like ceska mask. It's similar run and gun to hunters fury except with heartbreaker I have to try to die

[summer harbor]

Yeah I see that on a build before I’ll give it a grind soon thanks you

[scarlet rampart]

Any build advice for Legendary Strongholds? Can't seem to kill and survive with Strikers having all red cores

[low narwhal]

All red strikers is possible just swap out the chest and backpack for a high end. Obliterate and Vigilance, so you have more dmg upfront

[low narwhal]

or you can use a skill build

or build a PFE build (max cap at 80%)

or a regulus HHF build

[onyx sage]

i don't think it's a good idea to suggest regulus HHF lol

[onyx sage]

are you doing them solo or in a group?

[low narwhal]

throw them into the deep right at the start

luckily i didnt suggest sweet dreams melee build also xD

[onyx sage]

💀

[strong cave]

Dude woke up and chose violence

[strong cave]

If you slap on a few blue cores and run unbreakable, You should be able to do enough damage to drop enemies and still have enough health to maintain throughout the legendary run. I did district union arena with my buddy and that build did really well

The shield and the reviver hive is definitely worth it as well as Gunner

[onyx sage]

watching runs on yt also helps

there are striker only runs

[scarlet rampart]

I have strikers + Ceska (Chest) + Grupo(back( with Vigilance and Glass Canon, is it better to use obliterate?

[onyx sage]

just stick to using striker backpack and use obliterate ceska chest

use coyote's mask if you have it

[scarlet rampart]

I'm matchmaking for a group, but I don't do much, just getting carried

[onyx sage]

i'd love to get on to help but i'm at work

[low narwhal]

most likely since you dont want to take extra 25 or 30% dmg with no armor. Obliterate does the same job for no dmg taken

[scarlet rampart]

got it, as for the weapon, should I use Chameleon or St. Elmo's? I also have Lexington but I'm not sure which talent to use

[low narwhal]

St.elmo or lexington with strained

[onyx sage]

lexington with ranger, optimist, strained or fast hands are all good

don't use chameleon

[scarlet rampart]

I also tried Ouroboros but no luck, can't still get used to it xD

[onyx sage]

both chameleon and ouro require you to be up close in legendary and you don't want to do that unless you're experienced

[scarlet rampart]

which I'm certainly not haha
so last question, all red cores right? and crit chance and crit damage?

[onyx sage]

yes

if you have coyote get around 50% chc

[scarlet rampart]

ok got it, thank you so much guys! ❤️

[onyx sage]

if not get to 60%

[low narwhal]

good luck!

[night abyss]

Guys can you recommend a good build to do solo activities on legendary ?

[scarlet rampart]

imma go farm this first in Jefferson then try legendary again once I got it

[onyx sage]

read up a bit

[night abyss]

My bad

[onyx sage]

farm in countdown mask targeted

don't bother with JTC

[scarlet rampart]

been trying for 3 days but still no luck, same with ninja backpack

[low narwhal]

just slap on Vigilance whenever you think about NBB (ninjabike backpack) xD

[onyx sage]

think about ninja when you've made all the crucial builds first

ninja is not used where you want a strong build

[scarlet rampart]

you just upped my Luck sir! Played countdown after talking to you guys and got this ❤️

[onyx sage]

nice job 🙂

[scarlet rampart]

Anything else I need to change? Or will this work for Legendary outpost? not sure bout the skills and I think Crit damage is still low

[onyx sage]

if you have a ceska chest that will be better but it's a good start

[magic pilot]

Maybe brazen on the acs if you can

That's a small thing though

[graceful coral]

you run shield on E and revive on Q?
i run it other way around, bit strange to see this.

[versed summit]

I think that's how I run it, E is slightly more accessible for me

[onyx sage]

sacrilege.

[versed summit]

and so it is

[rich lotus]

I have Skill Slot 1 unbound

and Skill Slot 2 on P

Can anybody tell me if it’s better to have CHC as the third attribute on the Pestilence or DTA? I heard that since the last update it’s better to have CHC instead of DTA on LMG’s. Is this true?

Is it a crit build?

would the CHC help you get towards 60?

like one isn't better over the other, it literally depends on your build

"but DTA affects the tick damage from Pestillence!!"

yeah bro that extra 5k damage you're doing to armored targets is really putting in DPS!

[onyx sage]

but sir it's multiplicative

[rich lotus]

I’m trying to have as much weapon damage as possible. Because I heard people don’t even care about the ticks since the ticks are so slow. Apparently the ticks feed off of the weapon damage anyways.

[rich lotus]

yeah so is rate of fire pal 😎

[onyx sage]

but i heard rate of fire isn't multiplicative like dttooc

[rich lotus]

no way........... how can it be?

[onyx sage]

that's why this redditor runs fox sir

[rich lotus]

You are wearing 6 red yes?

DTA is not weapon damage btw

[rich lotus]

Yes

[rich lotus]

Obviously…

What are the other attributes on your gear?

CHC/CHD I assume

[rich lotus]

Yes

Like Pestillence tick damage is unfortunately not DPS and you can output more DPS with the weapon itself so why not run close to 60% CHC

I am a ROF enjoyer personally

[rich lotus]

Hence my question whether I should even have that third attribute on my Pestilence as DTA or reroll for CHC.

[onyx sage]

see sir this redditor is smarter than me

[rich lotus]

I saw this comment on Tux’s Pestilence video. “OK, I have to correct a few basic misconceptions here. In the last update, the M249's rate of fire was buffed while its damage was reduced. But with the Pestilence, only the buff was applied and the base damage is the same as before. That means: The weapon gets most of its damage from shooting and the DoT has become a nice accessory. With LMGs, the best third attribute is crit chance and not armor damage. That applies to all LMGs. With the Pestilence, armor damage was only left on because BEFORE the patch, a lot of damage was taken from the DoT. So that has changed.
I can promise you, roll the Pestilence to crit chance and put it in a crit build like Striker or Umbra and it will plow through the enemies like a truck.”

Yeah whoever wrote that definitely watches TUX

The last patch did not do anything to make DTA a less effective attribute on LMG's

That has been the case since.... forever

[onyx sage]

yeah changing base damage or rof does nothing

[rich lotus]

health is additive 😭

[light grove]

sToP rESisTiNG

[onyx sage]

a meme i made a while ago on this topic

[light grove]

Remembering that argument for when someone tried to tell me using contractor gloves with my shotgun was a wonderful idea.

[onyx sage]

i find it so arbitrary that one could conclude how one multiplier is "additive" and another is "multiplicative" just on how attractive their name sounds

[rich lotus]

nah that's so real

[light grove]

You have discovered politics.

It hurts. A lot.

[onyx sage]

and just like in politics, fact-checking is crucial

[broken edge]

0+1=1
0x1=0
Clearly additive is better

Pls dont take tbis seriously

[light grove]

1 / 0

[rich lotus]

this is forbidden math

[onyx sage]

2*2 > 2+2

worse, 1*1 > 1+1

[rich lotus]

OMG....

[onyx sage]

therefore, additive bad multiplicative good

[light grove]

Why is it called The Division, Why not the multiplication? The addition sounds weak.

[rich lotus]

my brain will implode if this continues

[light grove]

We call that The Subtraction.

[onyx sage]

i mean if you ask a redditor to explain what "multiplicative" means their brain would also implode

[rich lotus]

I love reddit ❤️

reddt community for this game is peak

[light grove]

You get used to it.

[rich lotus]

im gonna go make another post asking for build recommendations

should be a weekly thing tbh

[light grove]

There’s always going to be a new person with that question at some point. Most people don’t ask that question with laziness in mind.

It’s.. not bizarre. I had the reality check that they really don’t know. Gear building in this game is actually confusing to the majority.