td2-build-advice

[plain leaf]

dont know the name of it

[hexed steppe]

I look at waveform kinda like a space filler when you've squeezed damage out of other brands. It's a good addons but I wouldn't take it over a straight damage brand

[rich cosmos]

I said it many times before I say it again, we need a balancing patch to buff like 5 or 7 different exotic gear pieces

[vestal ibex]

BTSU I'd guess.

[plain leaf]

yeah

[rich cosmos]

So many exotics could be so cool if they received minor buffs

[plain leaf]

looked it up forgot to say the name mb

[vestal ibex]

But BTSU is 15 seconds of brrrr for 2 min cool down.

[hexed steppe]

Also locked to a hive

[plain leaf]

tru

[vestal ibex]

I feel like BTSU is best for teams tho cause you give everyone a 15 second OC on their skills.

[plain leaf]

sucks im solo alot XD

[hexed steppe]

Yeah that's where I get the most use is on teams

[vestal ibex]

Problem is most use it to refresh revive hives vs actually using it to open rooms or during a new wave.

[hexed steppe]

Sometimes that's all that's avail to oc. That and shield

[onyx sage]

oc decoy and sticky bomb go hard

and goo gun

[hexed steppe]

Had some oc my gunner pulse one day. Was a wtf moment

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I ran EP booster btsu last night.

Was pretty gud.

[plain leaf]

aside from the most known way to lvl up fast yall know any

[hexed steppe]

Just grinding open world, controlpoints . But open world activities also do good xp if they are close , like around Washington monument

3x xp coming soon

[vestal ibex]

I'd say farm builds and have fun then grind during exp events.

[onyx sage]

this man speedruns

[hexed steppe]

What you guys been running for modifiers ? Outside of the journey req?

Like prefered

[vestal ibex]

I have never turned them on....

[hexed steppe]

Oh damn

[onyx sage]

💀

same

[hexed steppe]

Short convo

[vestal ibex]

I figured he had at least...

[versed summit]

with HHF i've ran tapper drawkback and persistence

I really haven't messed with it much tho

[onyx sage]

what's the short range one that gives more "damage to armor" but makes you take more damage

liability? i like that one

[versed summit]

that's actually pretty sick too

[onyx sage]

i can roleplay as leon

[plain leaf]

ayo

[hexed steppe]

Persistence is funny sometimes too. I had it proc the run speed for a full cd run 😆.
Drawback and cull I was running a good amount as well

[versed summit]

that's wild lol

[rich cosmos]

@magic pilot yo do you have any legitimate suggestions for pvp builds, Im thinking of making two tomorrow and trying conflict

[magic pilot]

i dont have any conflict builds in the pvp guide tbh

besides bighorn ig

[rich cosmos]

Is there a major difference

[versed summit]

Mostly have to adjust crit

[magic pilot]

crit balance

[rich cosmos]

Do you have a suggestion for a simple build?

[magic pilot]

3/3

I'll put it in builder shortly

[lost wren]

me trying to run conflict for matador

[magic pilot]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXADnFDAWKJmVmdmKhNLFPuUxdpAKwHQQTO87DdCPCiN5U4MaF1Eym4kBODJQA8EkhIA7AE5R2Pgf2zZ2OEYMpzx5EA

run lexington and 1 chc mod

[rich cosmos]

This for me?

I’ll assume so

The improvised gloves are gonna be annoying to get but shouldn’t be too hard

Just need to get a good fenris holster otherwise

[magic pilot]

You can run Walker too

[rich cosmos]

Probably yea seems better

[magic pilot]

Improvised is slightly better

[versed summit]

Tbh second Česká wouldn’t even be that bad. A good chunk of hazpro for 12 CHD. Maybe I’m overestimating it though

[rich cosmos]

20% right?

That would be pretty good

[versed summit]

Yep it’s 20% now

[rich cosmos]

That seems like it would be good then

Idk I don’t care enough to make 50 different builds just to try pvp, if I enjoy it Ill make more

[versed summit]

Yeah that’s fair. You can play decently competitively without minmaxed builds, so you probably won’t get stomped

[magic pilot]

2pc ceska with demo would be good

Idk about 2 ceska on its own

[fresh fox]

the 3/3 spotter is a good option

this one

wow

this one is also good

[magic pilot]

Second one is low on crit

First one is a conflict build tho you right

Kinda forgot tbh

[fresh fox]

shhhh dont worry about that

[rich cosmos]

Isn’t pulse easy to counter in pvp

[fresh fox]

people dont tend to run it though

honestly its kinda rare to see pulse res

[tulip charm]

I mean if they’re running pulse res in conflict you have other problems to worry about

[wise swallow]

pulse res sucks

very large investment to only counter 1 slightly good thing

[lost wren]

what is the best varient of the sticky bomb?

[strong cave]

For making facefights difficult, burn sticky. For just skill haste and stunning, EMP sticky

But PvE content for sure burn sticky

[strong cave]

Basically run 3 piece Yaahl or System Corruption is the only way to get full pulse res (with a 10% max pulse res mod)

[fresh fox]

personally i think emp sticky is the best

its useful like everywhere

[strong cave]

I use burn sticky's in PvP more than emp mostly because you can't aim in facefights if you're on fire

You get stunned and lit on fire. It's a double whammy

[fresh fox]

i responded to your pve message :)

[strong cave]

EMP in pve? It's decent for knocking out dogs and cool stuff like that. I don't use it much because jamming things in division isn't demanded hardly if ever

[fresh fox]

a lot of things to jam in the game

also good for knocking enemies out of cover

burning is also very pointless in pve

unless you are on eclipse

[lost wren]

yeah only really concerned about pvp

[rich cosmos]

Well technically doesn’t it act like a confuse or blind

On some enemies at least

[fresh fox]

i mean kinda

but emp also staggers

so it kinda does that

and on a much shorter cooldown

[lost wren]

does the emp sticky have a lower cooldown than the fire sticky?

[fresh fox]

yea

[strong cave]

Sticky bombs are nice for, yes, knocking enemies out from cover. Lots of things also can jam yes. You're right. But be honest with yourself, how often are you wielding a sticky bomb and consistently using it? The cooldown is crazy high. Just use a chem launcher at that point. And yes, the EMP sticky has the lowest cooldown (appr 25s) and does no damage. Fire sticky does damage, like stagger and fire. It refreshes every 50s or so. Fire sticky is a no brainer imo

[lost wren]

chem launcher's another option yeah

[strong cave]

I only ever use sticky in PvP or on crowd control builds

[lost wren]

i imagine you'd use the foam varient right?

[subtle bluff]

Sticky is faster and easier to hit than a launcher imo.

[strong cave]

That or firestarter, yes, both for pve and pvp

[subtle bluff]

But yes it's downside is it's a 1shot

[strong cave]

That's what makes it crucial in facefights, burn sticky in facefights ruins me 💀

[strong cave]

See I play with a crosshair on my screen so all I gotta do is point the dot directly on them and instant use sticky 😂😂

[subtle bluff]

For PvP EMP would stop any skills too.

[subtle bluff]

Most good players do.

[strong cave]

Ye the EMP duration is good on it for what it is

Sticky is one of those weird skills where it's good but it's not at the same time

[subtle bluff]

I'm like 95% acc for drones on tanker.

Player skill and playstyle

[strong cave]

I can't hit a flying drone to save my life. I'll admit skill issue

[subtle bluff]

How... You just said this.. It's the same thing for the drone

Instant use is everything

[strong cave]

I mean shooting the drone

[subtle bluff]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxIcjoBmG25iUB9CMeRjSL95OSqZrMHr-u?si=JLcShTeJlntBMIR3

[strong cave]

Shooting a drone out of the air is difficult af for me

[subtle bluff]

Skill issue. jk

[lost wren]

i right now just use defender drone and decoy

[strong cave]

Nah it's 100% a skill issue. Then again, you try hitting an object the thickness of a pancake especially on its sides 😂

[strong cave]

Perfectly good combo

[lost wren]

?

[subtle bluff]

Word used. There's could be kids here. Keep it clean that's.

[subtle bluff]

At first I was running Scanner to be ready for them to Sticky but now when I'm locked in I'm locked in like this.

[lost wren]

here's the build i'm currently using for pvp

kind of works but i keep getting slaughtered in conflict

what do most people run for that gamemode?

[solar sable]

I've seen a lot and I mean A LOT of people using Capacitor

iirc the PvP guide doesn't have a capacitor build, so you'll be better off asking @magic pilot (srry for @ ing)

[lost wren]

with the sheer amount of mortar turrets and stinger hives. yeah i can see why lol

[magic pilot]

Try bighorn in conflict

[magic pilot]

@fresh fox

He has one that I was gonna add

Found it

[lost wren]

is that what everyone's been running in conflict

[solar sable]

not everyone but a good percentage

[lyric sparrow]

Can someone help me make a really good ouroboros pvp build

[solar sable]

check the pvp guide 📌 Spreadsheet

[lyric sparrow]

Where can I find that

[solar sable]

check the pinned messages of this channel.

[lyric sparrow]

How do I do that

[hexed steppe]

on mobile you may need to hit the channel name on top and then find the pin

#td2-build-advice message

[fresh fox]

@solar sable the mask is very flexible and can be something like gila for survivability, walker harris for some dta. I do ceska because i think the haz pro from it is very good

[rich lotus]

Thanks conptom

[fresh fox]

no worries guys

[vestal ibex]

Bind instant use, if your crosshair is red you'll hit it, or if shoot via insta use it'll go to the exact center of your screen and an on screen crosshair could help you with that.

[dreamy valve]

is the loot goblin dropping named items today?

[onyx sage]

has been for a few days already

[dreamy valve]

oh good

im playing games back and forth between 2 games recently so I wasnt sure

[onyx sage]

yeah no worries

jk how dare you not be up-to-date with every minor impractical detail every day in this game

[dreamy valve]

bhuhuhuhu

[versed summit]

You tell em

[onyx sage]

soulja boy tell em

[merry arrow]

Anyone know what would be a really good Bighorn build (with survivability) but still want to do DMG ( This is for PvP in dz)

[magic pilot]

Check the pvp guide

[lost wren]

how’s this for an alternate option?
using three piece golan instead of gila, and emperor’s guard kneepads for extra regen

[magic pilot]

What is the third Golan bonus?

[lost wren]

i think just more armor let me check

[fresh fox]

yea

[lost wren]

just more armor yeah

[magic pilot]

I would just run 3 gila at that point

[fresh fox]

it’s worse than 3pc gila

[magic pilot]

Trading status effects for health

And .5% more regen

[lost wren]

gotcha

[magic pilot]

2 Golan, belstone, emperors, catharsis, contractors or yaahl is good too

[lost wren]

gotcha

i’m just looking for alternatives because it’ll be a while till i’ll get the matador i’m looking for

[magic pilot]

Yea the one I mentioned above has 70% haz

[lost wren]

how’s this in the meantime?

it’s 50 hazard instead of 60 like before
unless if i want to replace the headshot damage in the kneepads with more hazpro

[fresh fox]

drop the armor regen attributes for headshot

the attributes are very little amounts

[merry arrow]

so I looked at that build in the build form and would it better to run the Armor regen over the hazpro

[mint axle]

Is really 24,625 Regen per second more Worthy than 50% HZP? (I mean the attributes, not brand bonuses)

[merry arrow]

reason I ask is because ran in to someone that had this build but with regen ~102k. also the were pretty hard to kill

[onyx sage]

look at their total armor

[mint axle]

The maximum armor Regen you can get is around 123K (4.5% + 29.550 APS) but IMO HZP is kinda better because some people will use Iron lung, there isn't much point of recovering 20k more of armor if you can't reduce the duration of bleed (that slows you down) and fire (that prevents you from firing).

[onyx sage]

chances are they're only using the %armor regen attributes instead of the pitiful 4925/s

[merry arrow]

I have the screen shots of there build if you want to look

[woeful zodiac]

What build should I use for the day 1 winter event?

[tulip charm]

Fire EP, HF, or Determined.

[magic pilot]

Hazpro minors, I tried it with regen. Status tear right through all the armor regen

Bighorn build gets smoked by mortar/stinger still if you don't run hazpro

[merry arrow]

So it sounds like Hazpro is the best thing

[magic pilot]

Hazpro the way to go, 60-70% makes a huge difference and if you start getting foamed swapping the hsd mods to ensnare resistance makes you immune

Can be paired with demo to be immune to bleed and fire or shock or ensnare

[lost wren]

@magic pilot
something like this?

[fresh fox]

change yaahl bag for golan bag

and golan holster for yaahl holster

unless you already have the yaahl bag

just makes it easier to farm this way

[rich cosmos]

Finished the pvp build

Aside from some unoptimized stats I’ll never fix and one weapon handling attribute

[slate silo]

Hey guys, any tips on making a fun eclipse protocol build?

I think the gist of what I have is vile mask 4pc EP, and Golan Gear with Status>SkillHaste as attribute priority.

Just dunno about guns or what skills/tech will synergize the best.

ATM I use the grudge, jammer pulse and either sticky bomb or fire chem launcher. I kinda like chem launcher better but requires igniting vs bomb detonation

[low narwhal]

blinder firefly with eyeless works good i guess

maybe explosive seeker mine with sadist

and the grudge to get CHC and CHD i guess ?

[rich cosmos]

I know this may be shocking, but no

[lost wren]

oh does it?

[rich cosmos]

Considering thats like, the only skill that can apply blind and its not very consistent

[low narwhal]

isnt the skill cooldown for that fast?

[rich cosmos]

Its average

[fresh fox]

yea

yaahl holster is craftable

[low narwhal]

ooo nvm. its slower than seeker mine, so i guess thats better

[kindred mango]

For Countdown I run Vile, Emperor’s Guard and 4x EP. Scorpio for gun, and I usually go w EMP pulse and burn sticky for skills

[lost wren]

don't have the blueprint so

[kindred mango]

And survivalist for spec so the team gets damage buff against statused enemies

[lost wren]

oh wat nvm i do

[mint axle]

Spec bonuses are only applied from the group Leader iirc.

[kindred mango]

Really? Didn’t know that

Someone suggested to try a bag with Opportunistic for more team damage but haven’t tried that yet. Good idea

[vestal ibex]

False- spec bonuses are not tied to a leader.

There are spec bonuses that just don't apply to yourself tho, like Demos DTTOOC

The raids are a bit funk tho because your spec bonuses are tied to your sub group tho.

[kindred mango]

Would that be the same for Countdown perhaps?

[onyx sage]

yes

[kindred mango]

How about team buffs from gear, like Opportunistic bag or like Coyote’s mask? Same deal I guess?

[onyx sage]

coyote should be raid wide

opportunistic is a debuff that makes the enemy take damage from all sources

so yes raid wide by definition

[kindred mango]

Ah duh. Ty

[mint axle]

The vanguard even bugs out and also applies bonus armor to yourself in countdown.

[low narwhal]

it always did

[onyx sage]

yes and in raids too

[low narwhal]

when i ran it lol xD

[onyx sage]

outside of those (in 4 man content) it doesn't do that

[low narwhal]

I was confused why i wasnt getting vanguard on me in open world when i realised its bugged in countdown lol

[mint axle]

Not in normal 4 players group

[low narwhal]

otherwise i would have kept using vanguard lol

but only good in group builds

[low narwhal]

coutndown is 8 players and it applied to all of them including me

[low narwhal]

but idk about this. didnt use it for long enough

[mint axle]

Yeah it's not supposed to, but who cares about bugs that benefit us.

[low narwhal]

yhh i wish they changed it so it applies to us in open world too xD

[slate silo]

Dope ty sir! I'll check it out. The EMP Pulse is so good imho in the area for dogs and drones. I currently have a creeping death bp but feel like I'm not getting much use out of it bc of the cd

[kindred mango]

Yes the emp cleans house at the extraction for sure

[lost wren]

don't have enough resources anymore

planning to farm for emperor's guard in countdown, what's the last brand i should consider?

[fresh fox]

can’t get emperors guard in countdown

[kindred mango]

I try and push to status as many ads as possible so I like the emperor’s guard for the utility of a bit of regen

[fresh fox]

dz named

[lost wren]

dam

here's what i have so far
need to replace the gloves and kneepads

[kindred mango]

You can use a Belstone piece in the meantime

[lost wren]

already have a belstone

[kindred mango]

Also people don’t seem to like this suggestion because of the odds but if you’re just missing Yaahl brand materials you can craft randomized gear

Not ideal but better than nothing

[lost wren]

could i just run fox's prayer for kneepads?

actually wait hold on

here's what i was working with initially, wanted to get the backpack to be matador with perfect adrenaline

what other backpack brands should i consider in the meantime?

obv with adrenaline

[fresh fox]

fenris i guess

[lost wren]

fenris with

blue core, hsd, hazpro, and hsd mod?

[fresh fox]

yea

[rich cosmos]

Is golan a blue core or skill tier?

[fresh fox]

not much else you can run

[lost wren]

golan is blue

[kindred mango]

That will be hard hehe

[rich cosmos]

Aw man Im not excited for this grind then

[fresh fox]

what do you need it for?

electrique is same 1pc bonus and its yellow

[lost wren]

fenris with blue core, hsd, hazpro, and adrenaline rush talent

here we go

[fresh fox]

just get a gila bag with that

[rich cosmos]

New goofy build idea using umbra, the new electric kneepads, and golan

[fresh fox]

then get a fenris other piece

[lost wren]

true

[fresh fox]

ahh gotcha

[kindred mango]

Yes that’s much easier

[lost wren]

back to countdown

once i get a gila bag, i need a fenris gloves, kneepads, or a holster with hsd and hazpro

then swap to blue core

then optimization farm

[lost wren]

?

[fresh fox]

lets run it through a check list
is it a bag? ✅
does it have haz pro? ✅
does it have headshot? ❌
does it have ad rush? ❌
if 3 are ✅ recalibrate the ❌ item
if less than 3 are ✅ keep farming

[lost wren]

yeah just wondering if companion is a good alt talent

i could also run this and swap talent, but i dunno

eh i'll run it why not

now for fenris

[fresh fox]

itll do

if you really want to stop playing countdown

[lost wren]

more regen can't hurt

[fresh fox]

its just that its a very low amount

[lost wren]

unrelated but
hey, not bad

[solar sable]

could be better with double crit

[tulip charm]

I mean it’s something but everyday carrier clears

[subtle bluff]

It can make you a healer if you know what you're doing.

[magic pilot]

@lost wren just run habs bp for now

[rich lotus]

Nah

[subtle bluff]

uh-huh Yes

[lost wren]

3 piece gila with habsburg?

[rich lotus]

And 2pc chicken nugget

[lost wren]

true

oh yeah habsburg because of headshot damage

should be farming that over fenris

@magic pilot

[magic pilot]

Yea good for now

Till you get emperors

Or matador

[proper tulip]

big fan of the Ouroboros, does anyone have any builds good for pvp for it? just got it yesterday so im clueless what to build with it

[solar sable]

check the PvP guide 📌 Spreadsheet

[proper tulip]

and those are u2d?

found it thanks

[hexed steppe]

that's how i run cc ep in cd. opp made a lot more sense to me over creeping.. if the team is working then status is spreading regardless. plus you get to reclaim some of the lost damage from no ep bag. obv cc variant , hazpro cc eclipse

[hexed steppe]

skill duration wont affect the status you apply, it only affects how long a skill will stay active. best you can get out of it in a cc context would be popping the emp/fire sticky after sticky application status proc has dissipated. at that point, if youre popping sticky for a second proc, youre team isnt doing enough and you should probably be on dps

[rich cosmos]

I like the jammer pulse in pvp

Only played a few games but it honestly shocks me I didn’t see anyone else using it

[magic pilot]

Raucey uses it as one of his main skills

Easy proc for smg build with wicked

[gentle lichen]

Not as good as before

Can only jam up to 3 skill tier (4 if you hold tdi)

On hybrids with capacitor i can see it have use with something like technician and 2 brazos with tdi you can jam skill tier 6 which can counter healers and skill users in general

[rich cosmos]

So far ive used it to shut down defender drones and bleed hives

[kindred mango]

I approve all of the above. I’m trying to find a BA status/haste/Opp bag because i like to be aggressive with this build

[hexed steppe]

why ba?

[fresh fox]

yea you can play aggressive while still having long status durations

if enemies are also disrupted while foamed they won’t shoot for example

that just gives more time for your team to do stuff

[slate silo]

Does the Eclipse Backpack perk also apply for teammates or only specifically "you" as the individual for that 30% dmg buff?

[fresh fox]

just you

[slate silo]

Dang, doesn't seem as great for synergy with my team then, currently we got one guy with a full red build and between my status build and my other buddy doing a support/hollowpoints bullets build we're pretty much golden on damage. I was considering swapping out my bp with creeping death for it but in this case doesn't seem as favorable

[fresh fox]

that’s why support status builds use something like opportunistic or creeping death instead

[hexed steppe]

opp > creeping for team

you buddy od build could be doing all the buffing tho

[fresh fox]

i like creeping because i can just turn my brain off and help a bit more

[slate silo]

Yea, at first I thought creeping death wasn't super great but turns out it was a skill issue and I wasn't applying it correctly between it and the pulse jammer

[hexed steppe]

nah, its ok for foam

jammer is wide area anyways

[fresh fox]

but i do swap to oppo at the chopper in countdown because that’s much more manageable when you aren’t thinking at all

[hexed steppe]

im just used to it at this point, tbh. i run foam and fire sticky so i get a little damage back when i use it

[slate silo]

I guess oppo would be good if I used a marksman rifle or shotguin right?

[hexed steppe]

scorpio

[slate silo]

i don't think I have that one yet

[hexed steppe]

scorpio, opp, survivalist is good synergy on ep, future initiative, and od for buffing

add sledge and its another with that fire nade

[fresh fox]

lefty got my back ☝️

[hexed steppe]

its funny hitting that firenade into the heli rotor

[slate silo]

😂 guess I'll try experimenting some more

[onyx sage]

rotor blades?

[rich cosmos]

Woah

[rich cosmos]

This is just like when a character says the name of the movie their in

[onyx sage]

title card drops

[round zinc]

insert linkin park

[hushed gorge]

Lexington is nuts right now. Especially on conflict and dz

[round zinc]

its just a slightly better famas dont gas it up that much

[mint axle]

I'm ANNA and I send this message to any SHD agent taking refuge in the concrete jungle, we are here, we are waiting

[hushed gorge]

I mean the base dmg is high
And with right weapon talent buffs, its so good

[strong cave]

Dude broke the wall

[hushed gorge]

Directed by Micheal Bay

[hasty sluice]

well this is an odd build to see

[low narwhal]

he hopes to proc striker stacks with scorpio and then do the "highest" mmr dmg lol

or maybe he has to just use the mmr and was cba to change his kit lol

or you just got him at the wrong time and it didnt update to an autofire gun

[strong cave]

Yeah you must've got him at the wrong time. The striker setup is too perfect for their weapon choice. It has to be a visual inspection bug

Unless if they're trying to level up their proficiency with their guns? Bc in that case just leave one as a secondary and it should still get XP for having it equipped

[hasty sluice]

I will never know as they left at the start of cd

[low narwhal]

i guess they left their fav gun in the stash lol. and the mmr has a good talent especially if he modded it

dont think he is completely lost lol

[hasty sluice]

its erkim's long stick. it has perfect ranger on it.

[low narwhal]

oo xD

[drowsy plaza]

any good pvp build suggestions? and how are they obtainable

[hasty sluice]

the Pins have a spreadsheet that contains build. a few are pvp based

they are good starting places

[fresh fox]

no its much better than that

[round zinc]

its a long rail f2k with laser accuracy, fast reload, also slightly more damage than f2k
what else am i missing than

long rail also means tech laser

like i love lex too but you can probably replace it with famas and you wouldn't notice that much of a difference dps wise no?

[hasty sluice]

anybody have the new named kneepads yet?

[fresh fox]

nope

[hasty sluice]

the loot goblin has been stingy

[fresh fox]

because lex has llp

[fresh fox]

he won’t drop it yet

[round zinc]

you mean the tech laser

[fresh fox]

yes

[round zinc]

for heartbreaker

[hasty sluice]

explain

[fresh fox]

for flatline

[round zinc]

yea i acknowledged that too

[fresh fox]

yes that’s a huge amount of damage

[shy willow]

It's time gated

[fresh fox]

and even without laser lex is like 3% better than famas and has much better sustain

[hasty sluice]

they said it would drop on the 10th tho

[fresh fox]

after you get it from the event probably yea

[hasty sluice]

bruh.....

I guess they ment the event starts the 10th

[fresh fox]

yes

[magic pilot]

Lex is a huge deal for ARs since before its release they were balanced very well

And then they add lex and basically tossed out all the balance and gave us "all-in-one"

[shy willow]

I thought it'd be a trinket with a unique gimmick but nah it's straight up better

[magic pilot]

Most AR with high burst had low sustain and vise-versa, the ones with llp had lower burst or lower handling. Best burst guns were missing a mod or low handling

[rich lotus]

Why can I not extract the +170,000 Armor attribute off this high end chest piece

[low narwhal]

how much do you have in the library for chest piece right now?

[mint axle]

I'm gonna guess that you either already have it or it's not lvl 40 item

[rich cosmos]

Just witnessed a man with 6 blue cores on striker, unbreakable, and all expertise level 19 on the gear

💀

[low narwhal]

that man is cooking!

[rich cosmos]

And he had vile mask on a build of all red no status

[low narwhal]

he is burning the kitchen now XD

[sullen sun]

Is regular killer stronger than regular optimist?

[rich cosmos]

Bold of you to assume the oven was on

[rich cosmos]

Probably

Kill has the downside of being rng

[sullen sun]

Did strained get any love in the last update?

[vestal ibex]

Strained hasn't been touched. It's just a good talent for most any CHC build.

[low narwhal]

with a big mag, otherwise you dont get to use it for long

[vestal ibex]

Does not matter. Even on the smaller mag stuff it'll be more damage than some options.

100% don't know where the new killer ends up on average tho.

[sullen sun]

So striker, optimist, obl

[vestal ibex]

Blue striker I'd suggest optimist otherwise strained or killer.

[rich cosmos]

So after enough pvp matches, I think I can fairly say, yeah no pvp is actually bad

[sullen sun]

It’s not for the meek

I love it when it works

I’m a sniper though

[vestal ibex]

Determined?

[sullen sun]

Some call it overkill..I call em dead

[vestal ibex]

I just wish they'd do something about that talent.

[sullen sun]

Shush child

[rich cosmos]

Horrible respawn system boost system ruins the match, the movement system is just not designed in the slightest for pvp and if it was it was not well thought out

[sullen sun]

Agreed

I’m currently looking for a new PvP clan to join bc I love it so much 😆

[rich cosmos]

I think div pvp is good on paper but is executed horribly

[sullen sun]

I’m a masochist

[rich cosmos]

Fair

[sullen sun]

It’s excellent with a good cohesive group of friends

Or in the DZ’s standards…cheaters loll

[urban latch]

blue cores or glass cannon, both makes no sense

its just a net negative

[magic pilot]

Probably doesn't want to farm red core

Although I'd rather have wrong minor attributes than wrong core

Not using oxi is interesting

Guess that's not big on console

[sullen sun]

I can’t change the blue cores bro

Workin with what I got

[celest schooner]

Finally got St. Elmo’s Engine! I still have a ways to go leveling up as I’m still only like SHD 35 but recommendations on on what 4 pieces of Striker gear to run? Strikers is always been my favorite set but coming from Division 1 I’m use to using a 6 piece! I’m looking to deal more assault weapon damage.

[low narwhal]

any 4 piece striker w backpack, coyote mask and then either grupo, ceska or fenris piece

if you feeling more DPS, use striker w chest and backpack, ACS shotgun to build stacks, coyotes mask and as above

[celest schooner]

@low narwhal okay sweet I’ve just got to work towards switching a few things around. Really just put together a junk set while I learn more. Currently running,

Striker - Mask, Gloves, Holster, Chest, Kneepads

Ninja - Backpack

[solar sable]

oh not ninjabike

[onyx sage]

5p striker with ninjabike is not something i thought i'd hear today

but it's okay you'll get there

[celest schooner]

@onyx sage like I said still learning but good to know all this

[onyx sage]

there are no 6p sets in div2 btw, and if you have the striker backpack you should use it. only use 4p striker

[tulip charm]

D1 got him making classified set in d2 😭

[low narwhal]

i never said ninja backpack xD

[celest schooner]

@tulip charm Exactly haha to use to the D1 ways

[low narwhal]

i meant striker backpack in both cases lol

do you have coyotes mask? its an exotic

[solar sable]

it's what they're using, not what you told them to use

[celest schooner]

@low narwhal negative

[low narwhal]

oo i thought he misintrepated my message or smt

[low narwhal]

what about grupo, ceska or fenris piece for any gear part apart from chest and backpack?

[celest schooner]

@low narwhal you were right I just wanted to let everybody know my amateur build lol and I do have a Grupo piece

[proper tulip]

can someone tell me what this is called and where its farmable? its the only mat holding me back from optimizing my gear

[solar sable]

Rikers, WoNY

[low narwhal]

craft it from the crafting station if you have the matts

[low narwhal]

lol xD put that on

[proper tulip]

any specific location in WoNY?

[low narwhal]

and 4 strikers w backpack and chest piece

[solar sable]

just look at control points or missions

[low narwhal]

need one more piece now, do you have fox prayer knees?

or contractor gloves?

[onyx sage]

cp bosses don't drop it sadly

[proper tulip]

thank you 🙏

[solar sable]

fk, missed that

[celest schooner]

@low narwhal negative to that but I know what to farm next

[low narwhal]

great, try getting like ceska, fenris or grupo piece

and then you can create a CHC/CHD build

but fox prayer drops easily also

[tulip charm]

Hes new so just get 4 piece going

Run striker chest and go run challenging countdown

[low narwhal]

yhh but still six pieces of gear needed to make a kit

[tulip charm]

Meh

And please dont run 6 pc strikers

[solar sable]

us xbox users need at least xbox core to play countdown or any group activity

[tulip charm]

He doesn’t have?

[low narwhal]

come to PC xD

[solar sable]

this guy isn't on xbox?!

[low narwhal]

doesnt have what?

[tulip charm]

Live

[solar sable]

xbox gold/xbox live/ game pass core whatever you call it

[low narwhal]

xbox get online services xD

[tulip charm]

Bruh just make alts and get cheap promo for it 😐

I used to do that all the time

[solar sable]

if I'm not mistaken these promos aren't a thing anymore

[ebon sapphire]

1300 shd level. First max mod ever 😂

[low narwhal]

v nice! star if you can and keep it xD

[thorn spire]

I almost have a max headshot mod, it's like 9.1%

[ebon sapphire]

already did lol got it yesterday at DZ when it was targeted AR. may have not got a EB or BH but I got a max mod. Win is a win

[low narwhal]

yep W is a W

[celest schooner]

@tulip charm Sounds good, Countdown will hopefully help since I can edit the loot setting to try to land the pieces in need. @low narwhal Thanks for your help!

[low narwhal]

you are welcome!

[molten thorn]

For the record unless you're doing content with dps phases you don't want the striker chestpiece. Sure it's technically more dps but it's so much harder to get there in open world activities and missions than just running a chestpiece with obliterate

[celest schooner]

@molten thorn Good to know thank you!

[rich cosmos]

Does anybody have legitimate suggestions for a ninjabike build, I want to use it regardless of how mid it is

[vestal ibex]

1 pc habs, 1 pc airaldi, 1 pc hots, 1 pc aces, chainkiller, NBB. Non vigi sniper...

[rich cosmos]

Don’t use snipers and I think one shot chaining isn’t fun

But thx anyways

[ebon sapphire]

you use it to farm control points

that's about it.

[onyx sage]

sniping is relevant in hard content as well, just not sure about ninjabike in those

[low valley]

There's a lot you can do with the NinjaBike. What are you looking to get out of the build?

[rich cosmos]

Trying to make another damage build is some kind of self heal

Unironically 90% of the reasoning for using it is I want to just have the appearance because its my favorite looking backpack in the game

[low valley]

3 Stryker (or umbra), 2 Providence w/ double crit (Obliterate/glass cannon/unbreakable cp) w/ gunner spec

Or instead of 2 Providence, drop to one and use a belstone (double crit).

I use to religiously use umbra until I got comfortable with Strikers.

[low narwhal]

lol try my build xD 1 NBB, 3 HB, 1 chill out mask paired with Gila guard. That gives you 2% armor regen and a t2 fixer drone - heals like 40k per second xD If you load up all mods to PFE and use technician, you can get about 70% PFE too

or you can put mods for armor on kill/armor regen (if that exists)/skill repair/incoming heals for even more healing

i havent tried it, but 5 skill repair/incoming heals mods will deffo make you heal fast, with already being at 40k without those

maybe ill try it also lol XD

[molten thorn]

nb 3pc umbra 2pc ba with lady death is not incredible but it is fun. I've used it in heroic content with no problems.

[low narwhal]

also everything rolled to Red

I also made another fun build with extended mag for vector with ninjabike. 1 NBB, 1 picario holster paired with Brazos, 3 HBB. Gives 50% extra mag on vector putting total to 65 ammo i think. it was fun also since you can kinda run and gun

I used the vector w long rail btw

[rich cosmos]

Ba?

[molten thorn]

Brazos de Arcabuz

[low narwhal]

ahh similar build to mine to get extended mag xD

but i guess you got more variety of guns to play with

[solar sable]

we are more familiar with just brazos

[hidden dirge]

Any build suggestions for grenade spamming with festive delivery? Thought about running it with collector and lefty but I need more idea about gear pieces

[molten thorn]

I got it from some youtuber

[rich cosmos]

Whats 3 piece on ba

[molten thorn]

i think it's +50% mag size

[low narwhal]

maybe 1 pc china and 2 pc Grupo piece give another 35% explosive dmg?

[low narwhal]

yep

[hidden dirge]

Ty. I never run anything explosive so I don't know what brands give bonuses

[low narwhal]

ahh you can look at spreadsheet to see alll the different bonus and stuff

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?gid=412070318#gid=412070318

if you want 🙂

[hidden dirge]

Ty, I didn't know if there was one with the bonuses so I just figured to ask about the explosives

[low narwhal]

i havent looked into a grenade build tbh so im not sure what other pieces give some sort of benefit

maybe having demolitionist gives another 10%.. pushing it to 45% dmg

[hidden dirge]

Yeah, I remember one of them giving a bonus, plus collector is an extra 35% flat, plus 25% for each extra enemy caught in the blast

I thought about bloody knuckles but that's only 25% weapon and 100% melee, and no grenade regen from collector

[low narwhal]

technically if you use demolitionist spec, you apply bleed on target every time you grenade them.. so maybe you can also run some status effect build also idk

But i guess you can deffo run sadist as a gun

and grudge (vindictive) for the CHC and CHD

[hidden dirge]

Oh that's actually true. Spam swap between the concussion for the extra explosives and the frags for bleed

[low narwhal]

maybe you can try using 4pc eclipse protocol

idk how good it will be

eclipse protocol spreads status effect to targets within 10m after initial guy is killed

[hidden dirge]

Yeah, now that I know I can proc bleed at any point I'm gonna look for some weird combinations

Either eclipse or ongoing directive, maybe TOTS for just explosives spam with specialist weapon,

Could be some fun combinations

[low narwhal]

i was gonna say ongoing directive, but i dont think its worth it without backpack or chest piece ?

[hidden dirge]

True, those bonuses are really helpful

[low narwhal]

maybe if you use sadist, you get raw 55% weapon dmg

maybe it could work also

could try out both and see xD

[hidden dirge]

Probably going to lol. I'm just seeing a bunch of random combinations now and I'll end up being here for awhile lmao

[low narwhal]

nice xD let me know how each fares after xD and which you think is better lol

[hidden dirge]

Alright, ty for your help

[pearl atlas]

I love this stupid build I made during the PTS

[low narwhal]

you are welcome 🙂

[hexed steppe]

High end mortar build will give you a ton of spec ammo without running tots, and have a lot higher damage overall

[lost wren]

what's up with all the pestilence builds in conflict?
what are they using?

[hexed steppe]

Pesti got a big rpm buff iirc

@magic pilot 👆

[magic pilot]

Most are umbra

[lost wren]

exact setup?

[magic pilot]

I use a high end version

[crisp quail]

Hey guys can y’all help me out? I recently took up the division again (played during release to lvl 30) and after hitting lvl 40 I’m very very quickly getting stumped at completing content on hard/difficult solo. Been trying to pick off advice from in here but I feel just hopeless at this point. Is it a grind thing? Do I need to matchmake?

Don’t want to come off as stupid but It’s gettin the best of me right now

[low narwhal]

do you like using HB?

[tulip charm]

Heartbreaker good choice

[low narwhal]

and it is a good choice ^

but there are better ways to proc pulse

and hence use HB more effectively

[tulip charm]

IF you want to keep HB first step would be to techinican

[low narwhal]

yep!

[tulip charm]

and get a good ceska backpack or memento

[low narwhal]

yh HB backpack kinda useless even though it says a juicy 2% bonus armor for every hit

[ocean ingot]

Can go memento backpack and ceska mask

[crisp quail]

Okok, yea I like it for survivability I’m finding it hard to keep the damage up. I was using virtuoso with rifles before but couldn’t survive shit

[low narwhal]

and that LMG is bad

coz i think its short rail

[tulip charm]

good for mainly solo tho

[low narwhal]

you should look out for guns (in their description) saying long rails

With long rails, you can equip "linked laser pointer" from technician spec

you need to unlock rifle dmg maybe, and then unlock that laser

[ocean ingot]

Which is where you would generally want to run the build. It's really a solo build

[low narwhal]

Also you dont have DPS

[tulip charm]

xd

[low narwhal]

keep like 2 armor cores and rest should be like red cores

[subtle bluff]

I made a grenade support over a year ago. It kind of owork but sucks more with the nerd to Sledgehammer

[hollow rampart]

what build should i use for incursions

[low narwhal]

or even 1 is sufficient

[tulip charm]

DPS is striker. Support FI

[low narwhal]

idk how much armor you sitting on rn, but around 1.1m is a sweet spot

[tulip charm]

nothing else

[hollow rampart]

FI?

[crisp quail]

I’m sitting at 1.5

[low narwhal]

yhh so you need more red cores. dont need 1.5m. bonus armor will go also negate some damage

[crisp quail]

I do have the momento bag

[low narwhal]

i recommend using MK46 (a variant of M249). maybe M249 if it takes long rail attachment

[tulip charm]

Future Initiative

[low narwhal]

MK46 has about 850 rpm plus linked laser makes it hella easy to proc the HB bonuses

so it p much becomes like a weaker striker w bonus armor

yh as others said, momento is good choice or coyote for the CHC/CHD

and for gloves, use Contractors gloves since it gives DTTOC/DTA (i forgot which) and 10% lmg dmg

that should set you up nicely 🙂

[lost wren]

how's this?

[tulip charm]

pvp?

[low narwhal]

that build is godly. Should shred faster than you can ADS!

[lost wren]

ye

[tulip charm]

ceska would be better

[crisp quail]

Thanks for the help

[low narwhal]

you are welcome 🙂

[lost wren]

already at max cc with ouro

[onyx sage]

you have chc attributes somewhere

[tulip charm]

you can run more chd

[onyx sage]

replace them with chd

[tulip charm]

ceska is kinda mandatory if you're running chc based no?

[onyx sage]

all chd attributes on gear, all chd mods are what you want to strive for

[onyx sage]

yeah

you only have to think otherwise if you run nego

[tulip charm]

yeah and umbra

[subtle bluff]

sooo blue

[tulip charm]

basically ceska is kinda need in dps gearset if it doesnt have built chc

[low narwhal]

also if you need gear, you can farm at countdown at challenging level. just FYI

[lost wren]

changed some stuff

[crisp quail]

Is countdown that one where ya go through the virtual simulator?

[tulip charm]

No

Thats decent

count is the powerplant

[crisp quail]

Ok countdowns the one by the power plant

Ok cool Preciate it

[lost wren]

@tulip charm?

[tulip charm]

Uh

That looks better

[lost wren]

this obviously isn't a countdown build right? as it's striker's

[low narwhal]

dont get it confused with general anderson manhunt tho.

[lost wren]

this is more for dz i imagine

[low narwhal]

You can matchmake in the menu

[tulip charm]

God I hope its pvp

[crisp quail]

Nah I won’t lol that mission gave me hemmeroids 2 days ago 😂😂

[lost wren]

it is duh

just that it's not for conflict

[low narwhal]

soon you shall return the pain to them xD

[lost wren]

oops i said countdown earlier
mixed up the two

[tulip charm]

Honestly

[crisp quail]

Haha I hope. And those 2 guys on top the summit. Just get bent over as soon as I see them

[tulip charm]

Since cath got buffed

I would run that

[low narwhal]

its gonna take a lot more xD those hunters dont go down easily.

[noble bramble]

100%

[low narwhal]

i never done them, but i heard oxy works best against them

when i face hunters/rogue agents, i just put on a riot foam real quick and melt them

but i guess summit ones are a different breed xD

[crisp quail]

Yea I seen that on the YouTube’s, they just sent like 6 Oxys and some foam and they had some kinda mr or something idk

[tulip charm]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwVgtAzAnG4ExgAxgIx2Ezztd4gXBAhJimAgBxk415b7AzHksori2d74WSl1dB+OE36CB3ES2TUJ47MIDsyDGwBsqKBpRRFm3jpid88uSblmCphdaRA

Something like this you need 2 chc

[crisp quail]

Above my pay grade for now I just want to work my way up the ladder

[low narwhal]

damn xD

[low narwhal]

yep once you understand building different kits, you will know what you need

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?gid=1380412817#gid=1380412817

You can also refer to above spreadsheet to see different bonuses of different things in the game @crisp quail

like benefits of having technician etc

also since you said you are level 40, you dont have technician specialisation unlocked do you?

[crisp quail]

Yea I unlocked technician last night but didn’t change off the sniper one yet. Changing to technician now

[low narwhal]

ahh okayy. you should grind so you can unlock the linked laser quickly.. so your HB becomes more effective

[crisp quail]

Spreadsheet bookmarked too cause all the flying numbers is a lot sometimes

[low narwhal]

linked laser pointer unlocking slot should be like bottom left on the technician tree

[crisp quail]

Yea I see it on there now. I would prefer to have a rifle over lmg but I was just trying out a bunch a random gear sets

Heartbreaker I read about on here last night and tried it after getting it

I just read the laser pointer pulses people anyways that would definitely help with that gear

[low narwhal]

hmm i dont think standard laser pointer does that. You need the "linked laser pointer" for the pulse

[crisp quail]

Yea the one in the technician thing

[low narwhal]

hmm, i dont use rifle tbf so i cant suggest much builds tbh

i dont think rifle goes w HB also due to slower fire rate

so you need another gear seat that doesnt need stacking

[crisp quail]

No it doesn’t at all, that’s when I switched to lmg. Since lmg has a bonus with hb anyways

I’ll run this build tho for a bit. Virtuoso worked well with the rifles but as soon as 3 enemies got close I was goin back to the last checkpoint

Other than those 2 I havnt tried many gear sets

[low narwhal]

like maybe Aces eight or the new Virtusio

I think with virtusio, you can use momento also

or some other high end backpack with talent like bloodsucker, adrenaline rush so you can save yourself if enemies rush close

if you want DPS, then i guess Vigilance, unstoppable force should go w it

but idk.. i never ran rifle really so im not an expert on it xD

I guess you can also run fox prayer since it has rifle dmg as brandset bonus lol

[molten thorn]

wait I feel like I'm messing something up what are the pieces for a good HE DPS build (not strikers) I have rn
Gift
contractors
fox's
ceska (obliterate over glass cannon)
and a prov holster

[crisp quail]

Yea this is my virtuoso build with the sniper specialization

[low narwhal]

ahhh put virtusio holster and fox prayer knees

should give higher DPS

[low narwhal]

whats HE? XD

[molten thorn]

high end

yellow items

[low narwhal]

ahh yhh i know xD

you would brandset bonus which gives weapon dmg, CHC and CHD and then stack CHD as attributes

so depending on your gun, weapon dmg brandset varies.

along with Ceska, Grupo pieces

you can also run coyotes mask too

you also need to choose talents based on what weapons you will use. popular choice include vigilance for backpack

and obliterate for chest

if you want pure Red DPS

Headhunter for chest could also work if you use shotgun i think, but i havent tried it xD

[subtle bluff]

HH is great with shotguns

[molten thorn]

i've never considered that it sounds hilarious

[subtle bluff]

HH HF and Shotgun w/ Pummel and just pump at the spawn is great.

[low narwhal]

same, until i read it somewhere here and it actually makes sense xD

just aim for their head with a shotgun, you cant miss xD

[subtle bluff]

It doesn't have to prefect.

Nego with Shotguns is cool too.

[low narwhal]

umbra with shotguns and fast hand talents sounds great on paper too

wonder if it works xD

[subtle bluff]

EH.. Idk if that's worth it.

[low narwhal]

ahh okay xD just thought fast rpm, fast reload speed, duck into cover for heals, what coudl go wrong xd

[onyx sage]

this is solo but holds up in 4 man as well

[magic pilot]

Legendary goat

[molten thorn]

I got downed just watching that clip

[fresh fox]

some day dien will buy cheats again so he can make a new clip instead of using this old one 😔

[dreamy valve]

Rotor, how about getting one of those 3rd party programs that shows a white dot in the center of the screen

[onyx sage]

determined is a very strong talent

[onyx sage]

i have one

[fresh fox]

some day dien will buy cheats again so he can make a new clip instead of using this old one 😔

[onyx sage]

obs just doesn't record it

[onyx sage]

i can't make them that fast 😔

[fresh fox]

sir this clip SUCKS!

[onyx sage]

ask an actual goat to make clips

I'm washed

[fresh fox]

sir just renew cheat program

[boreal lichen]

Hello everyone.
What is the best build and pieces to use with the pestilence ?

[fresh fox]

lengmo

[round zinc]

sir that is not determined

[low narwhal]

yk what will go best, maybe ridgeway chest and festive delivery combined with demolitionist talent along with eclipse protocol. You p much get good healing maybe. But only downside is that there is no grenade regen tho. but idk if it works practically tho

just an idea xD

[hallow temple]

iv got 6 pieces of gear with skill core as the core attribute and technician skill core but im still at tier 6 and not overcharged?

[low narwhal]

overcharge is like a boost. Its not constant

otherwise it be broken lol

[low narwhal]

so it can only be triggered using certain gear under certain conditions

like BTSU gloves - destroy your hive

energize talent (on backpack?) - at skill tier 6, pop an armor kit for OC

Future perfect - once you get enough kills to reach tier 6, another kill will overcharge you

maybe there is one more, but i forgot

[magic pilot]

Underrated OC btw, energize used in speeds

[magic pilot]

Acosta

[patent fossil]

Yeah, having 7 skill tiers is just a waste, recalibrate one of your cores to armour or damage

[low narwhal]

ahh never knew. I wonder if all those items can be combined to give you OC for the longest time

like energize backpack, BTSU gloves, future perfect weapon to give constant overcharge lol

maybe i try a fun build like that XD

and see

[hasty sluice]

need to improve this build. cant decide what to do tbh

OD chest for the dmg boost but lose the funny perfect braced. idealy have a cheska backpack with wicked

[magic pilot]

@fresh fox

[magic pilot]

Ceska wicked bp and coyotes mask, OD chest super good

Compton did that before that's why I pinged him

[low narwhal]

ahhh

[hasty sluice]

is the cc gain from ceska better than the 10% lmg on petrov if I switch out the OD mask~>chest for coyote?

[shy willow]

OD is a crit starved set so crit chance is pretty valuable

Coyote also pumps crit

OD chest because it's a free 50 percent amp

Absolutely huge

You'd wanna roll all the attributes to crit too

Bleed is a pretty useless effect even with status effects

[low narwhal]

is burn the best status effect?

[hasty sluice]

it depends on what you are looking for in a status effect

Sticky is the best cc, burn is the best damage(with minor cc)

[shy willow]

Foam and disrupt are up there

[hasty sluice]

blind its upthere with sticky since stuff doesnt build immune as fast as foam

[shy willow]

Fire is really good against enemies with lower health pools

[hasty sluice]

dirsupt is peak for black tusk

[low narwhal]

everything is up there xD

[shy willow]

Bleed is trash if that helps

[low narwhal]

ahh

[shy willow]

Blind is okay but there's not many easy ways to apply

Shock is good but same with blind

Unless you use Elmo

[hasty sluice]

in short
foam, burn if status yellow
dirsupt vs black tusk
blind for the funny

bleed only ever gets kills if you pair it with vile and use seeker or shrapel trap

[low narwhal]

wdym by status yellow? you mean if i have status effect mods?

[hasty sluice]

status yellow is a status based yellow build

[shy willow]

It falls off in group content on high difficulties but it's great for clearing a couple square miles of weak ads

[hasty sluice]

ie fire starter, foam, airburst Eclipse protocal

saying status yellow just means that its not something like ah ha funny sniper turret

the flip side is bleed is very funny in pvp.

fire is still better damage but sometimes if the roller doesnt killem the bleed will

[low narwhal]

wonder if one piece backpack with creeping death combined with a healer build will be any use at higher levels lol xD

[hasty sluice]

creeping death is mid at the very best

[low narwhal]

its like EP in a backpack i guess xD

since healer aint doing much DPS anyways, least he can just apply some status effect

[hasty sluice]

it would be better to use opperinistic as a healer

[shy willow]

Creeping is pretty much bis on status builds

For healers you want oppo

[hasty sluice]

slap on Scorpio/lefty

[shy willow]

Unfortunately lefty has completely fallen off on healers

Sledge doesn't apply to group now

[hasty sluice]

it does wdym

they reverted it

[shy willow]

Now it's pretty much Scorpio or mosquito

[shy willow]

They did?

[hasty sluice]

before it left the testing

mosquito is a very funny one tho lol. hunters dont seem to be affected by the agrro

[low narwhal]

ahh okayy

[shy willow]

Description must be borked then lol

[hasty sluice]

odd

ok thats funny

[vestal ibex]

That was so old tho.

[junior surge]

Yeah, they fixed double sledging pretty quick

[magic pilot]

Wrong

[magic pilot]

It is

Casual speeds you run foam/eclipse with creeping death

[vestal ibex]

I mean in the context which he is reffering to it's mid at best...

[fresh fox]

yea it can

you can get like a minute long oc

45 seconds with btsu, acosta, energize

it’s not useful what so ever though

at least in raids

both encounters where you would have oc + oxi you only really need btsu + acosta

[low narwhal]

ahh i see!

[magic pilot]

True but overall no

[hexed steppe]

Nah I agree, Creeping is kinda mid in any situation.
Creeping is for cc build, which is only really useful in team. If team is doing work then your status is spreading regardless of creeping, so opp kinda better for faster spreading.
Jmho.

[magic pilot]

I think op is just trying to do too much in leg

Throwing fire nades, foaming, emp, occasional OC

[hexed steppe]

I mean, scorpio status and cc go hand in hand, so opp proccing anyways.
You only even need a quick swap for sledge if used

[magic pilot]

If the group is doing well I don't ever shoot scorpio

I'll give it a shot next run

[tulip charm]

Same

Also I dont think I use Scorpio

[vestal ibex]

For my support builds I do and will. There isn't much reason not to. Even in fast groups there is still opportunity to scorp things.

[honest relic]

Im just coming back to the game. Haven't played since 2020. Holy crap a lot has changed.

[molten thorn]

it's in such a good spot rn. game feels great

[honest relic]

Trying to work out a build based on some of the new stuff im liking in my current run.

[molten thorn]

whatcha like? I'm sure there's a build for it if it's not the blinder firefly (god I wish)

[honest relic]

Im trying to merge an assault turret with the tactician drone, while popping heads with the 1886 lol

I was sniping but when i found the 1886 i played with it for fun ..holy crap that gun fits me

[onyx sage]

you focus on either a skill damage build or weapon damage build, you can be medium effective but can't be great at both

if you're still in the story just finish the story first

[honest relic]

I was thinking of messing with the toxic mask and spotter on chest for the damage boost to scan.

I have Future perfect on the 1886

[onyx sage]

vile and pulse don't interact

[molten thorn]

vile and emp do, but it's not great

[honest relic]

Really? Thats a bummer, but frees up a slot. I was reading that it did once upon a time

[onyx sage]

and spotter doesn't do anything for the jammer pulse (which doesn't pulse, it just jams)

[hexed steppe]

technically vile interacts and delivers the same damage regardless of the status type

[onyx sage]

just hit up the spreadsheet pinned in this channel

[hexed steppe]

has more to do with the build if damage is low

gunner pulse does status and pulse , right

[onyx sage]

yes

[honest relic]

Hmm. So any way to utilize the pulse for more damage. Also turret pulse is same as normal pulse.. correct?

[hexed steppe]

but ig its better to run linked laser for spotter

[onyx sage]

you use it in a normal weapon damage build, like heartbreaker and/or with flatline/spotter

[hexed steppe]

oc pulse adds damage. but pulse is kinda bad skill outside of hb/spotter/ or pvp builds

[honest relic]

I appreciate the battlefield view of it. Really helps predict what enemies are about to do. But yeah figured if i was gonna use it, id lean into it. So spotter and link laser are must haves then. Anything else that interacts with the scan? With futur perfect on both my m44 and my 1886, i get 3 stacks of overcharge pretty quick. If im using all skill tier. If not then i can lean into weapon damage with only 3 skill tier, and let my weapons build stacks so the turret is ramping up in damage as i am... Correct?

[vestal ibex]

Just use the spotter drone and you don't need to spec into it at all...

[hexed steppe]

well, linked laser is a tech class specific attachment that pulses anything you aim at. it synergizes with hb, spotter ,flatline.

[honest relic]

Ahh so i cant use it with sharpshooter then anyway

[hexed steppe]

im not a huge fan of future perfect, tbf, so a little biased. if im using a weapon damage build and want skills to be a little stronger i use memento, tech class to add a couple free skilltiers and 30% skill efficiency (skill efficiency is % in all Skill Buckets™️ )

no not with sharpshooter

[vestal ibex]

Sharpshooter spotter drone is basically ESP cause you'll get redline that connect to enemies right when they spawn. It's kinda bustd.

[hexed steppe]

for doing a hybrid tho, you really want to be on tech anyways for that free skilltier.

[honest relic]

Fair enough. The way i seem to be playing is drop turret to keep enemy engaged, and then droney tells me where everything is... Then i pop heads as the opportunities arise. Im mostly a solo player

[hexed steppe]

spotter drone technically reduces the skills damage output because it isnt doing anything other than looking around

striker drone would be a second distraction

[honest relic]

I guess its a bit situational. Its really handy any time vision is compromised. If you get flash banged, lasered in the eye, or bad weather, i can see everything.

Ive popped so many head on things that i could actually see without the drone

[honest relic]

I feel its very underappreciated lol

[honest relic]

Im kinda hoping i work the build to be bussing on turret damage, and then get the 1886 good enough that my headshots are rewarded

[honest moss]

FYI skill efficiency only affects damage or repair afaik.

[low narwhal]

im just taking a wild guess here and probably can use some better geat, but what about NBB with picario and technician spec, with headhunter chest? That will give you a T4 drone and if you are using future perfect it goes to T6 and overcharge. We need to figure out the other three pieces

maybe either armor pieces or DPS pieces

[honest moss]

Possible idea for a skill damage hybrid is a skill sniper build, can run nemi headhunter for one shots

[versed summit]

No it affects haste and duration as well, probably something else too

[honest moss]

AFAIK skill efficiency is just a damage/repair multiplier akin to what a skill tier grants. Never noticed it buffing other stats but could be wrong, just weighing in my input from past use o7

[tulip charm]

Skill Buckets™️ is just a catchall term for how skill efficiency works.
Each attribute is a bucket.
Skill damage
skill haste
status effects
skill health
Skill duration
Repair skills
. So something like memento is giving you 30%+ in each bucket, also empress 3pc 10% 8% each.

[honest moss]

Regardless, very good for skill builds all the same

[tulip charm]

By @hexed steppe

[hexed steppe]

skill damage, skill haste, skill health, skill repair, skill duration, status effects... the efficiency upgrades on artificer are what you're thinking of, which are damage, repair, adding seconds towards uptime

[honest moss]

Nope i am dumb i just mixed up my stuff, apologies!

[hexed steppe]

no worries

[hexed steppe]

they need to add that 2% back to empress 😅

[honest moss]

So true, the 10% to 8% isn't a huge change but it annoys me to look at lol. Like picaros 10% being a half bar now

[tulip charm]

Yeah not sure why it was nerfed by 2%

idk they might be related to the upcoming dlc

Who knows if they’re gonna revamp gear brands again

copium

[honest relic]

So im woefully behind on my knowledge of current gear in the game. Using a build calculator, (that im hoping is up to date)

Build currently is scaple and 1886. Ninja pack, uzina chest with spotter, eagles grasp gloves, breaking point holster, and empress knees and mask. Future perfect on both with skill tier 6. Then after a few headshots, overcharge 3 ranks. Any new gear that might switch it up?

[onyx sage]

_ _

[low narwhal]

why use ninja if you have two empress? maybe you can use the technician spec to get the 3rd skill tier?

and then use some backpack talent

or momento

[hexed steppe]

whenever you think about ninja, you gotta ask yourself if what you gain from it outweighs the benefits of a backpack talent

[low narwhal]

for backpack, maybe you can use vigilance also

instead of momento.. if you are gonna be staying in cover

instant 25% dmg

[honest relic]

Gains 10% armor on kill, 25% marksman damage, 25% rifle damage and 20% ammo capacity by merging with the other items

I think

[low narwhal]

ammo capacity not really needed tho. which one gives ammo capacity?

[hexed steppe]

vigilance also applies to rifles and marksman rifle (and all other weapons) . its also total weapon damage so a seperate modifier and not additive to your redcores like specific weapon damage

so its really 10% aok and ammo

[honest relic]

My bad its magazine size. And it's the eagle grasp gloves

[low narwhal]

oo i didnt know thats. that quite cool!

[low narwhal]

ahh okay

[honest relic]

Ill take a look

[onyx sage]

*sighs* memento

[hexed steppe]

you might plan around headhunter instead of spotter with 1886

[low narwhal]

I was thinking but maybe he doesnt feel confident on hitting headshots regularly

[hexed steppe]

could put it on palisades and preserve your aok

[honest relic]

Ill check that out as well

[low narwhal]

I dont think vigilance is needed if he unlocks 25% for both w ninjabike tbh

but 1 backpack gives 25% dmg vs 3 gear pieces giving 25% dmg

[honest relic]

This.. im old, i do pretty good, but im a sacra ligneous pc gamer that uses controller lol

[onyx sage]

total weapon damage is ALWAYS stronger

[hexed steppe]

determined exists 😎

[low narwhal]

oo yhh he just mentioned xD i forgot lol. yhh vigilance would be better since its a new multiplier in the equation xD

[hexed steppe]

1886 does well with determined hh from what i hear

[honest relic]

That a chest or back pack?

[hexed steppe]

chest

[onyx sage]

i fail to convince people that i use determined

[honest relic]

Ive heard it was good

[low narwhal]

does vigilance dmg apply right after the total weapon dmg but before CHD is applied?

so it vigilance part of the calculation in CHD or is it without CHD?

nvm it would be the same either way xD

[magic pilot]

My rifle HH is providence, 2 pc Zwia, chainkiller, fox, palisade

[hexed steppe]

if its the only source, it will have the same impact as glass

[magic pilot]

Can swap palisade for Habsburg

Habsburg + Providence 2% higher dmg than 2pc breaking point

On first shot

[low narwhal]

ahh okayy

[magic pilot]

Going the hybrid HH can work well for solo not so much in group

Local has a pretty good one for pistol that you can change for rifles

[onyx sage]

multiplication is commutative, as you just discovered

[low narwhal]

yhh i figured xD

[honest relic]

I checked out determined. I know your not a fan of future perfect. I guess id have to see if the turret can lay down more damage at 3 ranks overcharged for 15 sec then i can in 15sec. Seeing as its driven off headshots, i imagine that would come down to skill

[hexed steppe]

#td2-build-advice message

flexibility with picaros as its a little lower damage now

[magic pilot]

Overcharge doesn't keep increasing, you have skill tiers 0-6 and overcharge as "7th tier"

We don't usually refer to it as the 7th tier because OC has unique buffs

[low narwhal]

but for understanding purposes, its like tier 7

[magic pilot]

No we don't call it that

[low narwhal]

its not constant and can only be triggered by talents

[low narwhal]

only to newbies

[magic pilot]

If you call it 7 people get confused and think technician can give OC

[hexed steppe]

better to just call it oc

[magic pilot]

Or kard custom

[low narwhal]

i guess

[magic pilot]

It's a very common misconception

[low narwhal]

i want kard custom, would improve my fixer drone

[onyx sage]

newbies will try to get tier 7 and wonder why their shield breaks

this happens all the damn time

[magic pilot]

You have to hold it in your hand for Kard to buff skills

[low narwhal]

i got one off shop, but i didn't think hard so i deconstructed it rip

[low narwhal]

yhh i missed that fact when i got it first time

it would be great for some healing while im in cover

[magic pilot]

It's really only useful in raids for reviving or on turret/drone to change another core

But even then there is better options

[honest relic]

So thee stacks of overcharge is... Different benefits or stacks of duration?

[magic pilot]

He could probably change mask and gloves to eagles grasp and zwia mask

[magic pilot]

3 stacks of overcharge does absolutely nothing

[onyx sage]

there is only 1 overcharge, you mean 3 skill tier

[magic pilot]

His current build is skill tier 6 with future perfect @onyx sage

[onyx sage]

future perfect gives you at most 3/4 skill tier

[honest relic]

So the future perfect talant says it can stack up to 3 stacks of overcharge

[low narwhal]

OC for Tactician drone. The info on the right is for OC. The one on the left is for Tier 6

[onyx sage]

overcharge activates if you get a kill when at 6 skill tier

[honest relic]

Thus my confusion

[onyx sage]

*skill tier

[low narwhal]

what turret was your other skill?

[onyx sage]

i'm pretty sure it says what i said above

[magic pilot]

No

[onyx sage]

don't equate skill tier with overcharge

they are different things

[low narwhal]

this is what happens. You get one kill, you move to tier 4, you get two more kill and you are at tier 6

[honest relic]

I was running tactician drone and turret

[low narwhal]

Since you met the condition of being at tier 6 before getting your next kill, you get overcharge

So kills with future perfect gun increases your skill tier (1 for each kill) to max

before overcharging itself (since you got to tier 6 and managed to get another kill)

[low narwhal]

what kinda turret? machine gun turret?

[honest relic]

Arrg to the language limitations lol . So if im at tier 6; already the. The future perfect does nothing but give me overcharge and the stacks are meaningless