td2-build-advice

[strong cave]

Linked Laser Pointer, Tech attachment. Pulses enemies you aim at

It's a must for heartbreaker and spotter

[subtle bluff]

Laser pointer I know

never heard seen someone use LLP

[strong cave]

Well, lemme put it this way: if you're disrupted and can't pulse with your pulse, how do you pulse enemies besides shooting them in the head? Sure, just tell me to "get good bro" and go for heads... But what are you gonna do when you're disrupted, have Black Tusk mini tanks and Robo dogs after you? And can't pulse for stacks?

Last I recall, robots don't have heads we can shoot 😂

[barren ferry]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[subtle bluff]

Ok I mean use word "LLP" for Laser pointer. Not using it in game.

Geez.. I use AC12 brazen 2nd gun.

Again my HB is only really used group or Lego stuff. Everything I use something else.

[versed summit]

like the abbreviation?

[subtle bluff]

Ya

Words.. I'm done. SLeep time

[versed summit]

it's fairly common tbh

[subtle bluff]

WURD

[strong cave]

Memento is okay, it's not bad paired with striker. If you want all damage though and wanna help the team out too, coyote is the way to go

4 pieces striker, ceska chest with crits and oblit, coyote mask. Best DPS setup in the game

[strong cave]

OH lmao 😂😂 yeah there's a lot of abbreviations used here. It'll grow on you

[subtle bluff]

I'm broken from being in the different tech industry I've been in for a abbreviation.

[versed summit]

I get that

[subtle bluff]

I'm just tired haven't slept yet if I think about I've seen just wasn't lining up.

[strong cave]

Get sleep, sleep good for body. When you wake up you can be the first to make a HH crit build 😂

[subtle bluff]

From military, self driving, programing, racing, Robotics it hurts. Lol

[subtle bluff]

I made one for when I first got BH. I have enough problems with sending Wright in speeds.

[strong cave]

Bighorn crit is absolutely nasty. Tried it on my high end PvP build and the damage dealt with it is immaculate

Still prefer Eagle Bearer as the main gun

[subtle bluff]

This was my jam for builds. Now it's going faster. I can't find my highest dmg ones.

[strong cave]

SHEESH

I never thought to try BLB stacking and using a shotgun like that in Incursion

[subtle bluff]

There was a point when Brazen was bugged and I got to 20mill a pellet I wasn't recording during that one but it the fastest I've seen both lovebird go away.

[subtle bluff]

Scary thought I forgot to use Firewall shield and we forgot Pulse...

[strong cave]

Fastest I saw the lovebirds disappear was in a cheater video

[strong cave]

Nah, that's just impressive how without those buffs, they still died that fast

Please don't remind me of the brazen bug... DZ was littered with shotguns for a while....

Vietnam war noises starts playing, shell shock intensifies

[subtle bluff]

cooking for faster now but as a team effort

[strong cave]

I gotta get back into Raids/Incursions again. I used to host LFG's and get newbies their exotics. Kinda stopped as I got busier and busier with life and the game has been slowly driving me away from it

[subtle bluff]

I hear ya.. I'm went the opposite... Laid off and just got into a incursion then and welp 8 months leader I'm in the leaderboard for clears now... 😐

[strong cave]

I played division 2 for almost a year straight. Pretty much haven't touched any other game in a while. I'm about SHD 13.5k, and have pretty much everything in the game there is to collect. I've used almost every kind of build there is that's actually halfway decent. Even made a few of my own specialized builds. There's nothing much left for me with Division 2. I'm passionate for this game but boy oh boy do we need new content... And badly

[subtle bluff]

Pretty much the same but I've touched other games and more of recent.

[strong cave]

I'm choosing to touch grass lmao

[subtle bluff]

I tried to.

[strong cave]

Whats your weirdest build that you've ever put together?

[subtle bluff]

IDK.. The current one that people question me on is just for Wright carrying. 4pc Striker Chest BP, DCH, Prov. 2 skill teir all HSD and 40 repair skill

[uneven igloo]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MwFgtAjAbG4ExgQBjCtqPqwLgKy80kUmC0OULT3GAwQkjgE5LWylsQZaUH222nGCBTwB-dpxoY+4uRzjAWKJgA5I+DQHYNMCLnWTF6KA3VxuKLROwQLGXDvAoozwbmygwrsFoZRlSlsdZjBgWmBDSiA
Does this build works for pvp?

[fresh fox]

no need for hollow man

a regular yaahl mask would be better

not a lot of health builds out and about

[subtle bluff]

need more CHC. I would also think you need one more blue core. Don't understand the random HSD rolls.

[strong cave]

I'd honestly swap Yaahl with Providence for more headshot damage and Crit Chance

That's my personal preference

Or if you wanna keep the hazard protection and need more crit chance too, go with Ceska

[fresh fox]

a fenris piece would be better instead of picaros

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MzC0CZTSEZQBgUxLlvgLgKxbXWwqRE6y2ALFErKDOAJynHMbkBsViczTTGdJaLx4tylMF2FSUGcMEaJ6ADlo5VAdlUcYWFSzmo2cFeA6FQ6kf1NIsmyojYO+WDMEpOLcNgvT9NDFBgwHroQA

[strong cave]

You could also dip for Walker and Harris. Damage to Armor is on capacitor and W&H has damage to armor as a bonus

You'll get your lost CHC stat back and gain more damage

[fresh fox]

honestly i think the yaahl is a decent call

there’s an argument to be made for it

[strong cave]

It appears to be a PvP build so Hollow Man wouldn't be necessary. DTH only applies to health. All players have armor. It would only be good for shooting skills since skills are health based

[fresh fox]

i know

[strong cave]

I'd rather take walker and Harris on this type of build

[fresh fox]

regular yaahl is decent though

that’s what i’m saying

[strong cave]

Ye, gives 10 haz pro and 10 Weapon damage. Pretty good bonuses

The haz pro on a crit based build doesn't seem worth it

[fresh fox]

it’s a small bonus

but like it’s something

[strong cave]

Small but I'd rather lose 10 haz pro for 5% WD and 5% DTA

[fresh fox]

yea i get that

just saying yaahl is decent

[subtle bluff]

I'd argue this. It's one of each core and skill teir helps with def drone and it's good around for PvP when you're running NinjiBP

[strong cave]

I agree, Yaahl is amazing after they buffed it

[fresh fox]

i forgot about the skill tier from brazos ngl

[strong cave]

3pc Umbra, picaro, walker and Harris piece

That's the meta rn

[fresh fox]

ok yea picaros still chill

[strong cave]

It's considered best in slot with ninjabike. Without it, any other holster is better

[wary creek]

The amount of abbreviations is overwhelming😂

Is there some text channel with a dictionary? :p

[subtle bluff]

been meta for a bit once people caught on to have free extra cores.

[subtle bluff]

For me I can't spell sometimes sooo ya.. But ya

[round zinc]

wait sorry wrong chat

[broken ridge]

Insanely good crit dmg build

Specialization
Firewall

Weapons
Lexington killer talent
Military AK-M dttoc, strained

Mask
Providence defense
Dmg, crit chance, crit dmgX2

Chest
Providence defense
Dmg, crit chance, crit dmgX2
Perfect glass canon talent

Holster
Improvised holster
Dmg, crit chance, crit dmgX2

Backpack
Dmg, crit chance, crit dmgX2
Vigilance talent

Gloves
Dmg, crit chance, crit dmg

Kneepads
Dmg, crit chance, crit dmgX2

[round zinc]

4 improv pieces💀

even the backpack is improv💀

[sullen sun]

Is the sniper drone Headshot dmg regardless of where the enemy gets hit?

[fresh fox]

no

don’t think so at least

[sullen sun]

So putting Headshot dmg on a skill build with the sniper drone wouldnt make sense?

[fresh fox]

don’t think so

[red island]

no, they aim for the center of mass

[sullen sun]

So it’s essentially skill dmg?

[fresh fox]

yea

[red island]

i wonder if the new lexington gun would be better than most ar now

who's the theorycrafter here ?

[magic pilot]

it is

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12vzrBI53INNVcKx25ILuvwIgJDg2xUvOO_IA0uctlwE/edit?gid=0#gid=0

its literally the best AR for burst and takes the llp

[red island]

good buy elmo, lexington is my new best friend now

[glossy scarab]

mine came with measured and im gonna use it for a while bc i havent used measured in ages and it feels a lot stronger than i remember

[red island]

im gonna put strained or optimist i think

[magic pilot]

measured solid

im running it with OD so i got sadist

[red island]

wait we only get one ? it still doesnt drop ?

i noticed i cant mark it as junk

so its a unique that we cant dismantle like lullaby ?

[glossy scarab]

if so it better not take up an inventory space

ok it doesnt

[magic pilot]

Sick

It's also really good

[glossy scarab]

i like it so far

[worn mango]

@magic pilot I haven't played in a bit, but based on what little I know about it it's the best AR statistically

[magic pilot]

Yea it is

[worn mango]

Is the third roll random for everyone?

[glossy scarab]

no

[worn mango]

What is it?

[glossy scarab]

dttooc

[worn mango]

Oh shit lol

[glossy scarab]

yup

[worn mango]

They're just saying 'here's the meta, enjoy'

I'll have to pop in later and see what's up

[dreamy valve]

So strained on Lex?

[patent fossil]

or Killer, or Sadist (for OD builds) or Flatline, or...

[dreamy valve]

This looks like a non exotic Elmo

[magic pilot]

Measured, flatline, killer, sadist

[rich cosmos]

Its actually pretty comparable because of the damage increase

[dreamy valve]

mag still at 50

[rich cosmos]

Yea however

Damage talent

[dreamy valve]

fast hands no longer meta?

[rich cosmos]

Idk

I don’t pay attention to meta

[worn mango]

It's not as good as it was but it's still an option for sure

[magic pilot]

strong

[worn mango]

Oh strong hands is better than fast hands

Doing those hand exercises

[formal mortar]

Good hands is the meta, always better to be in good hands

[worn mango]

Holy god the Lexington is insane. 1.77 reload speed too is crazy. They really did some fan service here

[red island]

yeah but i'd like to have several of them for multiple talents

and not just a unique gun

[worn mango]

Yeah I get that

I don't mind swapping but if you want two during a mission I could see it

[magic pilot]

I'm running it with measured because of Enny

Hits 1.4m with no expertise

[dreamy valve]

Right? Gun came out of nowhere and is now Bis AR without having to grind for it

[stiff mist]

Did they change the mag capacity of pest and carnage and i missed it?

[worn mango]

Don't believe the NEGEV changed

Or the M249

[stiff mist]

I had 150 rounds on carnage now i have 100 with the +50 rounds pouch

and only 50 rounds on pest

[worn mango]

Yeah Pesti should be 100

And Carnage as well

[stiff mist]

i dont have any modifiers on either

[worn mango]

Hmm, I know there's that one modifier that decreases magazine size

But that's truly my only guess. Might be worth turning modifiers on, flicking them around a bit and then turning them off

[stiff mist]

i equipped something else then reequipped and its fine

weird

[worn mango]

Intended feature, not a bug

[rich cosmos]

Put sadist on lexington

Still need to get max rolls on od

[magic pilot]

Carnage is 100 base

[strong cave]

for the damage, thats actually not bad

logging in now and i wanna see how this gun hits with flatline

[rich cosmos]

Also to note, Im missing like, more than 10% of damage from unoptimized pieces

[strong cave]

hey it still hits pretty good. i need to test this with strikers, OD, spotter, and umbra

[rich cosmos]

Same but its hard when you only have one roll to work with

Hope we get the blueprint for it

[strong cave]

lol ive got the gold camo

[magic pilot]

they said we wont

[strong cave]

1.01m crits to the head with my current setup. around 700k to the body. not bad. im getting 1.1m crits to the head, 952k to the body with an AKM. Kingbreaker does 990k per body and 1.3m per head. For a little copy and paste of basically the St Elmo's, it does pretty good on this setup

[rich cosmos]

Its ugly

The other two are peak tho

[strong cave]

Striker setup, 1m crits to the body (max stacks, max stats, everything max). 1.34m to the head. My st elmos only crits for 924k to the body. 1.1m for the head

yeah i think the lexington might just be the new AR of choice for striker instead of st elmos

[rich cosmos]

My ongoing directive build might be my favorite build to use

The burst damage is nice

[strong cave]

holy SHIT if you slap killer on lexington, its insane....

1.4m crits to the head, 1m to the body

[rich cosmos]

I am hoping we get a way to have multiple rolls

I want one with flatline

But don’t want to change my sadist

Anyways, great and fantastic gun

As the biggest lvoa enjoyer I am happy

[strong cave]

it definitely hits with flatline. might just be the new best in slot AR

im surprised it competes with kingbreaker or AKM numbers

for a bit more rate of fire, thats not too bad of a trade

[rich cosmos]

Do we know what they are gonna do to get it in the future?

[strong cave]

nerf it 😂

[rich cosmos]

It would be a real shame if its just this one and only

[worn mango]

I think this is complete fan service

[strong cave]

"fan service" would be them giving us the DLC at this point

[rich cosmos]

Nooooo, reallllly??

[worn mango]

The fact that they had this entire time to think about the stats on this gun, and it's clearly cracked out, there's no reason to nerf it

[strong cave]

its a nice looking gun. feels awesome to use, super easy as well. in the future i can see content creators recommending this AR over St Elmos only for damage talent

[rich cosmos]

Good

[strong cave]

you get right around the exact same damage and you get a free damage talent

[rich cosmos]

St Elmos can finally burn

[strong cave]

i use EB over St Elmos anyways

[rich cosmos]

St elmos annoys me because of how easily accessible it was

At least this has more to it

[strong cave]

yeah im not even max striker stacks and im already body critting for 1m

looking like strained, killer or optimist will be best in slot on it

of course sadist and flatline as well

[rich cosmos]

I want to do all those other things but sadist is too much fun

[strong cave]

i havent even begun trying to expertise this beast yet 🤯

ive got 13k points across 3 characters... wtf am i doing 😂

EXPERTISE 12 and im hitting for 1m right off the rip at max striker and oblit stacks (close quarters)

[worn mango]

It has the best burst and sustain now in class, just nutty

And that reload speed is gross

[subtle bluff]

elmo still has it uses but has been put down.

[sullen sun]

What do you guys think about Ranger on the Lexington?

[versed summit]

Depends on the content but ranger is still fairly strong. In general for heroic I’d probably use something else though

[sullen sun]

wb for PvP?

[versed summit]

Optimist probably flatline maybe

[sullen sun]

That’s what I thought

[strong cave]

Strained, optimist, sadist or flatline would be best for PVP

You could argue measured but idk about that tho

[sullen sun]

Yep, agreed

[strong cave]

Only good use I can see strained on is maybe Umbra or Striker

But at that point you may as well take Optimist

[versed summit]

Makes even less sense on umbra

Optimist is just better tho

It’s arguably better for PvE now

[strong cave]

I'm mostly thinking due to the rate of fire benefits you get for the first half and let Umbra sling the other half of the mag with boosted damage

Will have to test how that would work, I've never tried measured with Umbra 🤔

[sullen sun]

Exactly

[sullen sun]

It’s ok, optimist all the way

[strong cave]

I typically take Optimist (my Umbra build uses iron lung and shield splint)

Fixing to drop F2K for the Lexington of course 😂😂😂

I get a free mod slot, better overall damage, and better stats? Yes please

[versed summit]

It’s just worse than optimist because of all the CHD. But I see what you mean

[versed summit]

Literally

[sullen sun]

Is Umbra working g yet?

[strong cave]

Ah I think I see what you're getting at here. I'm realizing that with measured you lose about 30% ish weapon damage, and then gain it back. I know Umbra increases ROF. Sure it's cool to sling bullets fast but if they do no damage, you may as well shoot marshmallows. Optimist with Umbra would be best suited as the damage only scales up, unlike measured

Completely forgot with measured you lose damage for the first half and gain it in the second half, with the second half shooting 30 something percent ish slower

[strong cave]

Still gotten unequip a piece and re equip it like 60 times

And every damn time you walk out a DZ landmark or start a conflict match

[sullen sun]

Smh

[strong cave]

They'll fix umbra... But then don't even buff System Corruption

[subtle bluff]

I don't like Stained on Umber. You don't need more CHD and with that mag dump speed, you're not getting the greatest about of it.

[subtle bluff]

remember the gain back TWD not WD it's actually more.

[bronze hound]

syscor is a lost cause

[strong cave]

I did a test with an AKM and found that strained and umbra isn't a bad choice. It just has to be a slow firing weapon. I always went back to shield splinterer tho bc F2K was king before the nerf

[strong cave]

It really is and it's such a shame that my all time favorite gear set won't get any love or attention 💔

[subtle bluff]

with a slow RPM gun makes sense.

[magic pilot]

I'd probably go optimist or flatline on umbra

[strong cave]

Ye, anything above 900 RPM or so makes strained with Umbra worthless

[magic pilot]

Chads use fast hands

[strong cave]

Rip fast hands nerf

[magic pilot]

Still worth imo

[strong cave]

How is flatline on umbra? Never ever tried it

[sullen sun]

Skill tier/umbra

It’s good

[strong cave]

I typically run my Umbra with armor but might have to check that out

[sullen sun]

The more skill tiers the better

[strong cave]

And the squishier you become

Basically glass cannon

[sullen sun]

Use capacitor

Shreds

[rich cosmos]

Capacitor with 22% more weapon damage is carrying hard

[violet sparrow]

how is the lex better than st elmos if st elmos has 20 more bullets and the built in crit on the attachments?

surely im missing something there no?

[subtle bluff]

The burst has more due to the base dmg and that's before the open Talent spot vs Elmo. Elmo yes still wins in mag and sustain dmg.

[hazy steeple]

It's a kinda downward leaning side-grade, since it can actually have a Talent that's worth anything, unlike Elmo.

Also, it doesn't take up an Exotic slot.

[violet sparrow]

yea i had a feeling just wanted to make sure im not missing some new like 60rnd mag or something

[subtle bluff]

In my eyes lex is top go to dps AR but it won't replace Elmo for some content. The shock round can be a life and/or time saver.

[hazy steeple]

Just a general FYI: Elmo wasn't the top DPS AR, due to it's basically missing talent.

[rich cosmos]

Elmo is the most solid 7/10 gun in the game

Like yeah it does damage, but its not really out damaging anything, yeah shock ammo is nice but isn’t really a gamechanger and means you lose build synergy

[hasty sluice]

best sniper atm? I enjoy using the srs a1 due to the rof

[hexed steppe]

M44 and model 700 in a top spots.
personally i prefer an m700 carbon or sr1. all the recent top performing mmr will 1shot regardless of the rebalance, so its more about personal preference

still have a couple expertise 25 whitedeaths, but that high stability, mag reload, and ammo capacity makes m700/sr1 a great choice

[hasty sluice]

the mag and reload is the main reason I use the srs

also looks cool

[subtle bluff]

Elmo is good a because of its mods, which in turn the extra ammo, grouping and recoil is basically laser beam. Then the high CHC and CHD make really easy to optimize the build.

[rich cosmos]

Okay?

Still just “good”

And nothing more

The mod nerfs to it more so cemented that fact

Like elmo is good, but its a gun designed for people who don’t want to grind for something better

[magic pilot]

it has uses for legendary because of the accuracy and ammo consumption

and incursion

duo incursion its basically madatory in some spots

[subtle bluff]

Same. Duo for incursion duo

[magic pilot]

tanker you need like 85% accuracy to have no time loss

[subtle bluff]

Yuppppers and the shock ammo can save sooo much.

[solar sable]

what is that annoying build almost any aggressive agent on DZ runs with a defender drone?

[magic pilot]

this or bonk

[hasty sluice]

Hows this?

[wise swallow]

If you dont have reg sure use nemmy.

you could replace nbp if you want, it sucks but with hot shot basically anything 1 shots

[dull ermine]

Put overflowing talent on a non exotic AR (you’ll eventually get 80 rounds)

See if you notice a difference between that and an AR with strained

Overflowing does pretty much what Elmo’s does where assuming all shots hit, you get a “bonus” from your reload. No damage, but more utility. But for 2 reloads you kind of have no benefit from the talent

[hexed steppe]

go vigilance bag , or memento

with vigilance itll hit considerably harder

[hasty sluice]

Cool. just wanted to check. its my friends setup and he didnt believe me

[hexed steppe]

how i roll. if you 100% the stability your scope wont sway when ads

[hasty sluice]

Good to know

[hasty sluice]

Perfect intimidate worth using?

I got a great roll for Matador & want to make something using it

[subtle bluff]

It's not worth the brandset bonus. Normal intimidate is good enough.

[hasty sluice]

[devout iris]

So what chest piece do I need to make a spotter striker build?

[patent fossil]

Ceska spotter with chc&chd

[devout iris]

I was thinking the closer named chest piece but ok

[patent fossil]

You would be rather crit starved though?

[shy willow]

Perfect talents aren't always better

They often aren't tbh

[strong cave]

You'll want ceska. 8% CHC is basically a free CHC mod. Allows you to stack more crit damage. Closer is under Uzina, which gives you 5% more armor as a bonus. If you're running all red, there's no point taking Closer for 5% more armor. You're squishy enough. 5% isn't gonna save you in a pinch. Doing more damage to clear a room faster WILL save you tho

[limber raven]

I cringe to people who like elmo that much

its pve bro nothing will come out of the screen to kill you, use whatever you want

pointless to discuss pve builds, put all red of whatever you want and you can still clear legendary

[subtle bluff]

0.o
Um... I never said for me in any context there.
Someone asked a question about Lex vs Elmo and I replied with facts. Then some opinions from someone who has good experience doing legendary and speed runs.
If it's pointless to discuss, then you don't have to join the discussion.
I do run full Red Striker to speedrun. Did I say otherwise? Yes, I try hard because I like the challenge, and if you don't like it you have the right to dislike it.

[strong cave]

Well put

[shy willow]

elmo was never really busted in pve its just a very reliable all rounder

big mag shoots like a laser and built in crowd control along with great mods

[magic pilot]

Trust me the speedrunners are tired of Elmo

[quasi geyser]

is the Devil's Due any good ?

[magic pilot]

No

[green zephyr]

So did the game, did the warlords extra and stepped away for a few years. Now come back. Not a clue what’s going on. Feel like I need to refresh my whole builds. Any ideas on what to start with again? Striker?

[magic pilot]

striker, OD, FI, HHF, eclipse fire/foam

and some sort of hotshot determined build

check the pinned guides

[green zephyr]

Pinned guides?

Oh I have it lol

[reef bolt]

any way to make this better?

feels like i do 0dmg and tank nothing

[onyx sage]

if you want more damage then swap off the blue cores to red

[vivid shard]

what content are you doing?

[onyx sage]

if you want even more then use striker chest but you'll need more time to stack

[reef bolt]

this is just for solo heroic stuff

[onyx sage]

yeah then don't use striker chest. just swap blue to red and play more careful

[reef bolt]

but it legit feels like im just getting one tapped and it takes me a whole mag to kill one

[onyx sage]

you got modifiers on?

or global event?

[reef bolt]

idk

im getting stunned for no reason sometimes

like why is that

[onyx sage]

you have modifiers on

[vivid shard]

do you know how they work?

[onyx sage]

go to inventory, look at the top for the watch shd brick icon, deactivate

spend some time to read the hostile modifiers

i'd only turn modifiers back on once you get enough buffs from priority objectives to make them worth running

[reef bolt]

where can i read them? like i see the icons but i got no idea what they mean

[onyx sage]

the same interface that you deactivate should have "hostile modifiers"

[vale yarrow]

I'm running a 4 piece Foundry Bulwark Build with the Chameleon and I get 2.4mill dps on challenging difficulty with the shield and fixer drone making me almost a literal tank

[reef bolt]

ty but wow these sound aids

[onyx sage]

yeah they're meant to compensate for your own modifiers but you don't have them yet

[fallow trail]

So not totally build related, but adjacenent, what high end gear sets do people auto trash cause they just aren't useful. I'm having space issues and I already trash 5.11 and dh other than named items.

[versed summit]

Legatus and R&K are probably the least useful. Other brands can be pretty niche, but are at least useful somewhere.

[fallow trail]

Yeah I donated and haven't collected any of the legatus stuff yet. I look at rk again. Might help me save a few slots.

[versed summit]

Yeah big thing is to not keep stuff that you can farm easily.

[fallow trail]

I'm a digital hoarder it seems keeping various cores of the same items. I have like 12 chill out masks 😂

[versed summit]

Yeah you really just need a blue core one.

[fallow trail]

I wish I use 3 versions already including a yellow with repair and 2 repair mods on my medic

[versed summit]

Just use an alps one. Or improvised elsewhere, or chances are you don’t need that much repair skill anyways.

iKia made a good video about it last year ish where there’s better options for red and yellow builds.

[fallow trail]

I just like the idea of having it and not needing it then having to refarm even though countdown and summit exist

[versed summit]

Well it’s a pain to refarm tbf, but it isn’t really useful outside of PFE build.

[fallow trail]

I mean in gereral not just chill out related

[fresh fox]

i might have found a single use for legatus don’t worry

boss 3 iron horse ad clear for swapping from a foam to a regulus

[glossy scarab]

ive played 3pc legatus a lot and i think its great. smg hitting full force at like 30m. the extra red core for the 3rd piece is nice

[fresh fox]

or you can use 3pc electrique

farm those unicorns pal

[glossy scarab]

yea but the optimal range is what im after

i have electrique pieces already. i use those once in a while

i know everyone is gonna be like wtf are you thinking. but i enjoy it

[subtle bluff]

I'm just questioning what's the optimal range part. The rest is each their own.

[glossy scarab]

my immediate reaction to it when i read the bonuses was defintely NOPE though but i tried anyway

[fresh fox]

just throw the acog on 🙄🙄

[glossy scarab]

yeah i do that on other builds

[fresh fox]

so just do it on the other one and drop the legatus

[glossy scarab]

im not recommending it for anyone else to be clear. i play with different builds almost every session. this one happened to be a pleasant surprise

[subtle bluff]

So your point is that you are still playing around with builds and trying to find what you like.

[glossy scarab]

no

i know what i like. it happens to be quite a few builds that are "go-to". i was just willing to give a new brand set a shot

i cycle builds in a feeble attempt to keep things fresh

admittedly the swap speed bonus is kinda lame though

[hasty sluice]

good or bad idea for a build?

[fresh fox]

just use hb chest

then coyotes or something

[hasty sluice]

Is there any build that uses matador?

[onyx sage]

pvp

[hasty sluice]

🥲

[subtle bluff]

some crazy solo stuff...

[fresh fox]

the lie...

the only thing i can think of it solo wright

maybe im out of the loop

[warm knot]

What's the best HH for snipers rn? I can't trigger HH on legendary (2 purples) with 4 players.

I'm running 4x hotshot +chaninkiller+the gift and 15 exp (wooden)700

[magic pilot]

@fresh fox

[magic pilot]

i believe white death is the way to go now first off

[fresh fox]

white death is the best for that

are you starting with nemesis?

[magic pilot]

or tac 50

[warm knot]

No nemesis or tac. I'm asking this bc I was able to do it before.

I could kill 2 purple even without vigilance. I had blood sucker before.

[fresh fox]

just do that then

my guess is that the team had modifiers on and you hit a clam

what you have now is the best setup that still uses 4pc hotshot

for first shot damage at least

[warm knot]

I didn't see any mod icons. So I started questioning the reliability of this...

Anyways, we got cooked by the drone operator freak 🥲

[magic pilot]

are you sure this wasnt before last patch?

or were the purples overhealed?

[warm knot]

Nope. IT MIGHT BE the distance, it was that second area in tidal basin. I was able to kill everything from there.

I think they nerfed the effective distance too.... maybe.

[onyx sage]

m700 base got nerfed

[warm knot]

Yeah, I'm getting only 1.25m base dmg

It used to be 1.4, 1.15m

I dunno, I'll try exp 15ing my WD as mentioned and see how it does...

I hate the handling of that thing... I also run scopes, now I remember there is a 45%+ headshot dmg one. I'm running the 35% one.

[fresh fox]

just start off with nemesis

[subtle bluff]

I can use an SR1 but you need to build off HH correctly. I normallly have to switch to either White Death or M700. When I'm MMR in Lego

But ya building with Nemesis is easier

[warm knot]

Skill issues Yeah, I'll give it a go.

[solar sable]

what's the dmg difference of white death and SR-1 rn?

[subtle bluff]

Only that's not is that there both an MMR.

[onyx sage]

👓

[solar sable]

I still remember seeing someone named binoculars

wonder where he is

[tepid spire]

Hey, is there any good gear set/gears in general that are a good pairing with eclipse protocol? I'm (trying) to make a build with the firewall specialization.

[fallow trail]

Any gear with Sfx and/or skill dmg as first brand bonus

[tepid spire]

ohhh okay, thanks for the tip.

[fallow trail]

Essential you want to build on the status effect dmg and duration

[subtle bluff]

Fire skills Everything to Status Effect then Skill haste

and Vile mask

Idk why i typed that out. Go to the Pinned

I love EP for anything below Heroic

[fallow trail]

Menh haste has such a diminishing return Esp if you use fire chem and turret do you can put some chc in and shoot sometimes with pyromaniac

[shy willow]

Chc on skill builds is mostly relegated to rigger and striker

[fallow trail]

Unless you shoot things regularly. To me haste is wanted unless it's a healing hive since there are so many charges to get back. My general skill build using harmony, turret and drone, I shoot all the time as well so I added chc because my skills are always back by the next encounter. I use duration mods

[hexed steppe]

can definitely run crit on skill builds. should also be using capacitor for the 60% skill damage, harmony a good backup
this is how i tackled skill/dps hybrid
#td2-build-advice message

wont need duration mods for turret/drone. they have a very long uptime

[round zinc]

is measured finally good now

[shy willow]

I hear it is

Not sure how much it was buffed

[round zinc]

top half is +25% rof -25% dmg
bottom half is -18% rof +30% dmg

[shy willow]

Oh so now it's not just the same dps with extra steps

[round zinc]

im just finding stuff to roll on lex other than fast hand

dont like killer tbh

[shy willow]

I have strained on mine

[subtle bluff]

top half is +25% rof -25% WD
bottom half is -18% rof +30% TWD

[shy willow]

Statistically is there even any difference between lex and the m4

[rich cosmos]

It has more damage

Which has turned it into the best burst damage ar

[shy willow]

How much are we talkin

[rich cosmos]

Forgor but it does more damage than the p416

[shy willow]

Woah

Sounds fun

[round zinc]

more damage than f2k

[round zinc]

so how much of an overall increase am i looking at here

[shy willow]

Does this mean the apartment might actually live up to the house now

[round zinc]

remind me how was the house

[magic pilot]

no it sucks

lexington has 3k higher base than m4

[shy willow]

In the div1 meta very powerful

[round zinc]

perfect measured btw

[magic pilot]

same rpm as famas with 4k more base dmg

the issue isnt the talent

[round zinc]

i know but i mean whats the number of the talent in div1

[magic pilot]

base gun sucks

[round zinc]

mpx bad now?

[magic pilot]

it wasnt like measured in div 1

yes

[round zinc]

what about base measured

[magic pilot]

really good

[round zinc]

yea but i mean how much does it net

[magic pilot]

id have to find it

[round zinc]

that is like a 12.5% increase for the whole mag?

[magic pilot]

depends on if it was regular weapon dmg or not

i have no idea

[shy willow]

Idk if addi or multi but made for a very good third talent

Could still slap on destructive and unforgiving and allat

[round zinc]

on empty seems nice now ngl

[sand spear]

sitting in my stash with burn out

[magic pilot]

i saw some testing for measured somewhere and i cant find it now

depending on the build its an 11% amp according to ikia sheet

if needed i can test on a specific build, he did his test with obliterate striker

[subtle bluff]

If you understand the Div math:
Base WD x WD+SWD x CHD+HSD x TWD x DTA/DTH x DTOOC x 1AMP x 2AMP x 3AMP
You take from the Base WD then get back TWD and most of the you don't have any TWD so you're getting a new number in the equation.

If you want to test it. Go into range but with like a skill build with no WD stuff and use that waepon.

IMO if you do not want to build stacks with AC12 using Measure is pretty good for that quick few stacks then just hitting hard.

[round zinc]

would you personally recommend measured

[subtle bluff]

Yes I use it when I'm HB and not using one of my other weapons.
I used to measured on my 2nd AR when I ran incursion.

If you don't know me I've ran TOO many incursion.

[round zinc]

why wouldn't you use flatline on HB?

[subtle bluff]

I'm hot swapping to this and it's normally when it's something where BH isn't good

[stone lark]

do even skill builds want to stick to CHC/CHD mods on their guns, or are their other stats that are preferred like accuracy, stability or headshot dmg?

[solar sable]

depends

but most skill builds are skill haste or skill dmg
Healers have repair skills and haste
Mortar has dmg and haste
you get it right?

[subtle bluff]

Sooo there are Skill builds and Hybrid Skill builds.

[solar sable]

in simpler words ye

[subtle bluff]

2nd weapons will always be the higher in DPS over our Skills.

[stone lark]

oh no, i mean like the actual physical mods you equip on your gun

[solar sable]

depends x2

[subtle bluff]

Weapon Attributes will should always be DTTOC. But sometimes depending on skills some skill is DTA or DTH.

[subtle bluff]

For DPS is always first getting near that CHC caps. 2nd is what makes you hit more on target

also depends on the gun.

[stone lark]

in this scenario it's the harmony rifle, for perfect in-sync

[subtle bluff]

Again depends again. I would think you would just go all CHC

If you shooting and your grouping is too big use Accuracy. If it's jumping around too much for you use a Stability. If both Weapon Handling

[stone lark]

alright, ty very much

[fresh fox]

way to dodge the question 🔥

[subtle bluff]

It's the long answer.

[fresh fox]

no it’s not

the exact buff amount from talents like measured cannot be really quantified by the damage calculation formula

you would need to put it into a 2 separate dps calculators for each half and add them up after

[dreamy valve]

What’s so special about measured

That you wouldn’t take another damage talent over

[fresh fox]

it’s like actually kinda good

[dreamy valve]

Really

[fresh fox]

somewhat yea

[round zinc]

oh damn we're still on measured?

im listening

[dreamy valve]

I might try Black Friday again

[hazy steeple]

Historically in the div franchise: that's a bad idea.

[subtle bluff]

Black Friday LMG is good. 😮

[fair dragon]

it's also yesterday

[fresh fox]

measured on average is like 0.6% better than optimist but like all of the damage comes from bottom half

[hazy steeple]

I guess if you compare it to another incredibly meh talent, it seems decent.

[fresh fox]

wait i was looking at the wrong column

measured is about equal to optimist on burst but lower sustained

it’s getting better

[fresh fox]

optimist is pretty good?

[round zinc]

so the takeaway is that measured is a worse optimist is what im getting?

[fresh fox]

yea for now

at least on a famas

[round zinc]

what about other weapons?

[fresh fox]

just going off the framework of the famas and its high rpm i’m guessing higher rpm weapons it’ll be more equal to optimist but as you lower rpm optimist would perform better

that’s just my guess though

i can figure that out tomorrow if you remind me

[round zinc]

hmm,noted

just 1 more, apartment is bad because mpx is meh now right

[fresh fox]

that’s also a not so educated guess

so be warned

[dull ermine]

Is mp7 still worth using? Ik it got nerfed, is it left behind ?

[hazy steeple]

Was it actually nerfed, or was it overtaken by something else?

[subtle bluff]

MP7 MPX both just got nerfed to the ground.

MP5 i would be my choice for a balance SMG with ok RPM and good DMG.

or SMG9

[hazy steeple]

What were the nerfs, exactly?

[subtle bluff]

MP7 -4k WD | -50 RPM (Lowest DMG in SMG)
MPX -3k WD

[hazy steeple]

3wd isn't so bad, but 4k is a bit rough, so is that rpm.

[subtle bluff]

oops 3k

[hazy steeple]

To be honest, the WD nerfs are kinda whatever, but that rpm does nuke it out a little.

[subtle bluff]

Us speedrunners are sad about what they did to Banshee

I CAN'T TYPE

[hasty sluice]

How is the appartment?

[subtle bluff]

The MPX SMG itself is bad this patch.

[hasty sluice]

Unfortunate. Messing with perfect measured seemed like a neat idea.

[warm knot]

I have no idea what I'm doing wrong here. An elite rusher taking 3~4 head shots to die. I don't even think this is a build problem anymore. We all checked for active mods, no one had them on.

Back to skill builds...

[boreal lichen]

What is the best build for DZ?

[subtle bluff]

there's no "best" build for DZ.

[boreal lichen]

Okay. Thank you

[patent fossil]

Matchmake for challenging countdown with the target loot set to empress

[red island]

anyone tried running an OD build with blue cores ?

i dont like how squichy i am with only red cores

[versed summit]

seen people swear by it as a buff build for countdown

[stiff jasper]

Blue not that useful in pve

For pve you run red for main/sup dps, or yellow for control+dmg boost

[round zinc]

wait whats yellow boosting?

for me red>blue>yellow

[stiff jasper]

Foam duration

[round zinc]

at least solo play

ahhhh

i was thinking its for solo context
yea yellow alright for cc builds

[stiff jasper]

If You run yellow then you rely your skill for sure

[honest panther]

Hello.. I'll be the first to admit I'm kinda lost on how to "upgrade" or "better" my gear. There is no gear score as in the first game .. that being said is there someone who is available to mic up with me and help me like a 10 yr old .. ha ha . Actually a 10 yr old would prob understand this more than me already . 😅

[patent fossil]

just look at the stat bars on your gear, if they're closer to full, that's like better gearscore

but 'correct' rolls are much more important than max rolls, so check the pinned spreadsheet for a variety of well-established build guides

[honest panther]

Sure ok . I'll try to figure this out then .. ty

[red island]

yeah but im tired of having 0 survibility

you peek a single second and boom, no hp or armor

[stiff jasper]

Skill issue, you are not playing pvp, in pve it doesn't make sense to face tank

[gentle lichen]

blues arent gonna help as much as you'd think

[stiff jasper]

Use cover well and good timing

[gentle lichen]

we're talking like 0.5s more time when facetanking

per blue

[red island]

im not talking about facetank, but being obliterated when peeking

[red island]

it does tho, on my 3/3 striker i survive a lot more

[strong cave]

Could go ongoing directive with memento and blue cores

I personally have never tried it but if memento can work for striker, heartbreaker, aces and eights and high end, can't imagine it won't work well for ongoing directive

[stiff jasper]

how you peeking , can you recording ?

[red island]

the normal way, in cover then i aim

im not good enough to do the one way peek

[magic pilot]

Wdym it's easy af

You just stand off the cover till your gun moves back

[red island]

yeah but you gotta replace yourself all the time cause npcs move

it takes forever

[stiff jasper]

Skill issue, i mean if you want take away your hand from keyboard then use drone skill build

[red island]

except thats not what i said or asked

also if i wanna proc in sync thats the same issue

[magic pilot]

Yea that's right I did it.

[patent fossil]

you monster

[stone lark]

this made me visibily upset

[magic pilot]

Good. My plan is working

[versed summit]

You’re on a list now

[magic pilot]

I might be the only one on the list

[subtle bluff]

I'd eventually found someone that would do this.

[indigo cipher]

Is pico holster still a good pick for hybrids on ninja bp? Or is there a better alternative? 🤨

[kindred mango]

That’s totally inappropriate. It’s lewd, lascivious, salacious, outrageous.

[red island]

i dont see the name of the weapon and its on console so i call fake

[onyx sage]

the flavor text is there

[red island]

i pretend i do not see it

[onyx sage]

smh

[mint axle]

Guys who use improvised gear with ninja bike: finally a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary!

[hexed steppe]

picaros is alright, a little less weapon damage after the rebalance. ninja never really been a good choice. exception made for some pvp specific builds.
generally for pve if you want to hybrid, just add memento/tech class to your dps build.
memento has skill efficiency. every % of skill efficiency is % in all Skill Buckets™️ .
For me, I look at all memento does. Cores and long buff only (at full stacks) represent:
-45% weapon damage

-2 shield tiers

-free armor and skill core

-30% skill damage
-30% status effects
-30% skill duration
-30% skill health
-30% skill haste
-30% skill repair

-3% armor regen

all this is before even figuring in the other 5 pieces of the build, and not including short buff gains

[mighty widget]

Can the triangle be on all of the attributes? And if it can how rare is it?

[solar sable]

Means your Library has those atts extracted at max

[hexed steppe]

it represents the roll you have stored in library

[onyx sage]

not enough buckets

[hexed steppe]

oh no, what am i missing XD

[mighty widget]

Thnks, I was wondering how to get all the stats up on gear

[mighty widget]

Thnks, I was wondering how to get all the stats up on gear

[solar sable]

you didn't have to send the same message to us both

[onyx sage]

needs 300 more

[solar sable]

you're welcome btw

[magic pilot]

i woulda taken an actual screenshot but i dont have ps app to transfer to discord

[subtle bluff]

It's only PSN account anyways

[magic pilot]

exactly

the only time i play PS now is for incursion help

[red island]

yeah but you got pc tag, so its a smurf acc, that doenst count

[magic pilot]

I'm literally over 2x level on ps - pc

I had PS tag first PC overrides the color

[red island]

i dont like this info so its false

[magic pilot]

Lmao fair

[hasty sluice]

cant pick a secondary for a pistol setup

enjoy using both

[subtle bluff]

kind of.. Better doing or GE and getting the caches.

It's not new... GE been a thing for a really long time.

Global Event

GE Star things

Yup. It's not worth it for the backpack.

[hasty sluice]

not exactly. you can target empress and just run it vs setting it to backpack

named caches also pull from about 110 things

good place to start

[subtle bluff]

It's not for everyone agreed.

Have to learn to builds and stuff.

In my profile there's a URL TY playlist for new and returning players.

I get it.

It's a lot. Why I made playlist

It's my content

it's others because they did better.

no nothing like that. Just showing info.

[hasty sluice]

Dz is hyper mid in terms of loot. its fun to run around but the loot is alomst never worth it

[patent compass]

Thoughts on the Ongoing Directive gearset with memento and Wyvern Glove, i paired it with the Bluescreen and Lexington

[hasty sluice]

fair. I miss the dz of div 1. spent most of my time there getting loot

[hasty sluice]

on going with bluescreen is a neat idea

you could also do iron lung

I never played when survival was big. kinda sad about it

[solar sable]

No lol Iron Lung is a weapon (LMG) the raid is Iron Horse 🐴

[hasty sluice]

Iron lung is a lmg that has fire procs

great for ongoing that gets bleed ammo from killing stuff that has/had a status on it

bluescreen does something similar for adding status but only when you deploy a skill. (or kill a person?)

its also only realy useful for black tusk

[hexed steppe]

As a backup pistol, kard custom with sledgehammer.
As a main in pistol hh build, d50 determined or regulus

[hasty sluice]

the only diff vs a named and un-named is that named have a skill or such that is perfect or maxed

[hasty sluice]

me when no regulus 😭

[hexed steppe]

D50 available anywhere

To an extent. You can change 1 non perfect attribute/talent and optimize the rest. The limit on optimizing is the roll you have stored in your library

Countdown has made any farming 1000x easier

It's just like running a mission tbh.
Check the pinned spreadsheet in this channel, it has build guides.
For dps just build striker with the recommended pieces.

Revive hive/shield
Run challenging cd and you'll be gold

[hasty sluice]

rather run a revolver tbh. the d50 kicks too much

and it goes to the right for some reason

[urban latch]

Harvest/magnum is the way to go over a D50 now

[hexed steppe]

Is harvest farmable now? I did hear it had good damage

[subtle bluff]

Still broken.

[hexed steppe]

Damn

[dreamy valve]

on Dec 10 i think

[hexed steppe]

glass and tech support/combined arms as damage talents?

oxi also boosted by damage to armor and damage to targets out of cover. so capacitor and a shotgun with insync are bis

yeah none of that is good then

dont youtube if you want effective builds

3 empress, wyvern, contractors skill damage roll, fox's skill damage roll . glass cannon/ tech support. stack capacitor for a lot extra skill damage

this 👆

this is how you make oxi better

currently not doing much

your whole build is self nerfed tho

[fresh fox]

and it’s still the goat

it’s ok we are your community mentors

[hexed steppe]

thats why im responding, to tell you

[fresh fox]

do whatever makes you happy

[hexed steppe]

thats on you. my post has solid suggestion, there is also a guide in the spreadsheet pinned in this channel

GLHF 🍻

[hasty sluice]

why shotgun with sync?

[hexed steppe]

ok so lets be real... some stuff works , some stuff doesnt... is it working currently?

[hexed steppe]

can have dta and dttooc same as capacitor

[hasty sluice]

ohhh

smart

[fresh fox]

you don’t need capacitor

[hexed steppe]

oxi and one of the fireflys are the only skills that use the dttooc

[fresh fox]

for the farm

just a proper build and a bit of funky talent manipulation

[hexed steppe]

capacitor is a guaranteed drop if you havent unlocked it. 5 summit challenges and its yours 💯

damage to targets our of cover

[hasty sluice]

blinder firefly with dttooc

[hexed steppe]

tbf if you swapped out bag and chest for same brand but glass and tech support talents you would be in business

[hasty sluice]

thats good to know tho thank

[hexed steppe]

i think demolisher

[fresh fox]

yea that one

wait maybe

i don’t remember either…

it’s the ascent challenges

stuff like that

[hexed steppe]

its easier than the 15 floors. like 3 caches unlocked, headshot kills

at summit, go into map and there is 2 types of challenges, any 5 work

done on hard makes it go quick

but any weapon with insync will work, bis is capacitor and shotguns, but they arent the be all end all

absolutely

yeah, you can run through open world with a basic striker and get a lot of xp racked up

i dont even remember kenly tbh

any type of build you would need is pinned here. most have variations #td2-build-advice message

[subtle bluff]

To note the mods are wanting to keep that info how to farm out of here.

[tepid stirrup]

This games was so much fun befor it's down fall I'd come back to it if it had some fresh new stuff throw I think my time in game was around 1000 hrs

[hexed steppe]

oh, is kenly an xp farm now? hit me in dm so not adding anything they dont want

[subtle bluff]

he's gonna a week ban again I bet

[hexed steppe]

i wouldnt worry about geting perfect. something like striker can always roll its atttributes because youll use the red main cores. then plug in what you got till better pieces drop

[subtle bluff]

And he even doesn't know how to use Launcher correctly.

[hexed steppe]

farm out ceska and grupo pieces to replace the future pieces and youll be a lot closer to where it needs to be. striker backpack is pretty necessary for solid damage

[subtle bluff]

Honestly if he has Lex get HB

Go HB get Laserpointer on it and have at it

[hexed steppe]

you learned some advance oxi tricks i see 😎

chatter firerate will drift to oxi if its in hand when you pull oxi out. fires faster than the reload animation

[subtle bluff]

Heartbreaker

[onyx sage]

future doesn't help

you're not running a healer build

[subtle bluff]

FI is healer build

[rich lotus]

That’s fire I respect it

[hexed steppe]

this might be better to provide the evernote links to the guides

striker

heartbreaker

[rich lotus]

Try the repair trap next

Nah I’ve seen worse

Some people still think Determined works as intended so there’s that

What does 2pc FI give again?

Can’t you wear 2 high end pieces and get more out of that?

Like yellow pieces

[subtle bluff]

Why I said videos for you at first..

[hexed steppe]

1pc alps is 20 repair

[subtle bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCBIQre8iMUIxQkiCIQ1qVkyhes3ciYC-

[rich lotus]

No worries it’s ok there are 20k SHD that have no idea what’s going on

[hexed steppe]

you may find this useful as a reference and a build tool. its also pinned in this channel if you want to source the link elsewhere https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/

[rich lotus]

Why are there Fog of War videos in this bruh what 😭

[onyx sage]

that's why they didn't remove it 💀

[subtle bluff]

It's just one.. It's for the ones that like LONG form videos. Ok..

[rich lotus]

It's 3 and you have one of the worst ones in there IMO

Specifically the Red v. Blue one

[subtle bluff]

Oh is there.. I've haven't looked at the list for awhile.

[rich lotus]

Where in 40mins he explains why he and his community have a skill issue

[subtle bluff]

Yup. There are people with it...

[hazy steeple]

Okay back to the build-advice now.

Since that kind of thing has resulted in account bans before, we highly encourage you to not attempt this new xp farming method.

[shy willow]

I wonder if this works better now that sadist is buffed

[rich lotus]

true..

[hexed steppe]

you need to work on that shd level bro

[shy willow]

It was early days😔

[magic pilot]

how old is that pic

[shy willow]

It will have been S10 or 11

[magic pilot]

Does it say the date?

[tulip charm]

A year and a half xd

[onyx sage]

naval lore

[frigid grove]

does anyone have a Pestilence PVP build

[shy willow]

Dark times

[fresh fox]

4pc umbra + ceska vigi + contractors

with like 1.3m armor

ive seen that one a few times

[wise swallow]

poverty pistol

[magic pilot]

It's my cheater gun

[rich lotus]

Wasnt there a bug before where lower tier weapons did more damage in conflict or something lol

[hexed steppe]

maybe im just late to the party, but i noticed some interesting mechanics today. i been running fire eclipse most of this ge. i dont normally pay a lot of attention to the ticks, but i did notice some when i hadn't used any kind of status. im pretty sure it was from a cover to cover exposure transfer. i dont think those are supposed to be a status but maybe eclipse/vile recognizes the condition because they get staggered... was only ticking vile damage. anyone else notice this yet, or able to independently verify?

just a vanilla fire eclipse was used

[magic pilot]

the event applies disrupt and disorient

[hexed steppe]

ig i didnt notice the status apply then

ok yeah, its like a split second disrupt. thanks

[rich lotus]

vile best dps option for this event confirmed?

they should buff vile tbh 🙂

make it tick twice as fast

[magic pilot]

they should buff all dmg skills

[rich lotus]

YES and specifically in pvp

make shrapnel trap great again

[warm knot]

They get pulsed and disrupted from cover to cover, which disruption triggers vile. I noticed that a few months ago while running status OD... Don't ask me how that works bc it doesn't 💀

I remember even taking down some drones in legendary by doing cover to cover

[hexed steppe]

yeah, i usually dps these type of events and never really noticed the disrupt. its just a split second but pretty handy with vile

[warm knot]

@magic pilot Speaking of which, I think I found the sweet spot for what I was looking for: GR9 wih sadistic + survivalist.

I gave up on carnage.

[strong cave]

Alternatively you could do 4 piece true Patriot, ceska bag with vigilance and grupo chest piece with unbreakable. Roll everything to crits

[rich lotus]

that’s crazy

might be a little too op

[magic pilot]

yea im not a fan of gr9

[red island]

i think nobody is

[onyx sage]

i liked it last patch with steady handed but it got nerfed so i'm moving over to the buffed ones

[magic pilot]

@onyx sage i started using survivalist for HHF heroic

[onyx sage]

NOOOOOOOOOO

[magic pilot]

Why🤣

[versed summit]

wtf

[tulip charm]

For the damage to status?

[fresh fox]

cool grenade?

[wooden finch]

holy lexington hitting for 1.3 mil a shot at 1k rpm is crazy

[magic pilot]

grenade, dmg to status effected enemies for group, pfe

[versed summit]

ngl, worst trade deal in the history of trade deals

[hexed steppe]

thought you were wanting the mender seeker

[magic pilot]

...

i might be using it. but i didnt want anyone to know

[magic pilot]

i had gunner before lol

also crossbow i can crack chunga from range without mmr

i know the mender is bad ok...

[hexed steppe]

tech class and artificer exists 👴

[magic pilot]

Listen old man

You right

[hexed steppe]

wait, what?!

[versed summit]

@magic pilot this useful?

[tulip charm]

Fenris 😢

[magic pilot]

Kind of a dub

[versed summit]

bet'

[magic pilot]

DCD is 825k xp before 5x btw

And it increases every clear

[tulip charm]

Sheesh

[molten thorn]

Hey I've been perusing ikia's build list just to see what tickles my fancy and i noticed that he recommends like any spec besides firewall or technician for the standard striker build. I've had firewall on for the striker shield and the chd foregrip. Is this suboptimal?

[magic pilot]

I'm completely guessing here, but I'm assuming he says to run other specs to help with the sustain for striker since the dmg is so high

For incursion we run firewall shield w striker

If you want max dmg firewall is the way, but for general content it's overkill

[fading belfry]

Just got the lefty shotgun for the first time is there any build that uses this anymore pvp wise?

Most of the builds I’ve been seeing run the m870

[hexed steppe]

lefty is a good utility shotgun. stacks striker or heartbreaker fast, and it doubles as a team buff if its in hand when you hit an armored target with a damaging grenade

stacking is per pellet, not shot. so the 20rnd mag is capable of generating 160 stacks if all hit

[fresh fox]

it’s just a tool for perfect sledgehammer in pvp

[strong cave]

A couple of my own personal builds with Lefty utilize Survivalist specialist. Reason being is for the fire grenades. Toss nade, nade sets people on fire, swap to Lefty and swap back, perfect sledgehammer is proc'd

This can be PvP or PvE. Great gun for stacking and for overall team damage

[junior rivet]

Whats the go-to website for browsing community builds now? All the old one ive tried seem to be dead

[velvet beacon]

which ones ><

[versed summit]

There’s a bunch of builds and resources in the pinned spreadsheet.

The specific guides are still relevant, and if you don’t need a full guide and are more looking for just templates. iKia’s build collection on there has a very wide selection.

[junior rivet]

ty i missed that one, only saw the dps calc one

[velvet beacon]

What do you think about aces and eights with critical damage rifles? For me it's a bit meh, I don't feel like the rifle does much more damage, even though rifles have on average twice the base damage of assault rifles. I did aces + scout gloves + backpack with vigilance, 50/110, LVOA-Q talent assassin and the damage maxes out at around 900k, sometimes 1.4m to the head, full red. You don't really feel the boost from aces. As for me, the set still needs to be rebuilt. What's your opinion?

[hexed steppe]

Its pinned in this channel. The spreadsheet has a ton of proven builds

[hexed steppe]

For crit rifle build just roll with negotiators dilemma ar/rifle do quite well on nego.

[strong cave]

I think I have to agree with this. Then again, the gearset is built entirely around MMRs. I tried your idea and made a crit aces build and it felt too underwhelming. Mine utilized intimidate and memento backpack with a blue core or 2 thrown in. Shield, revive hive, the usual shebang

I used the merciless and saw some decent numbers. tried a high end rifle, saw similar numbers

[velvet beacon]

for me rifle should deal a little more dmg per bullet

[versed summit]

They do

[strong cave]

Rifles hit hard but the recoil of them make them still underperform. I'm not firearm expert, but I'm pretty sure a 5.56 M4 rifle will have the exact same recoil as a 5.56 M4 assault rifle

How is it in division 2 an AR is more easier to control than a rifle? It's the same caliber round 😂

[stone lark]

are there any builds for legendary summit on solo, or is the regular striker build usually enough?

[strong cave]

Striker with 3 or 4 blues is sufficient

[versed summit]

I mean it’s not just caliber, but rifles having different handling characteristics makes sense. It’s just bad. They should handle better for sure.

[strong cave]

It's bad enough I can be point blank and still miss with a rifle because the recoil.... Is just so ass cheeks

[versed summit]

Yeah, they’re supposed to be for longer engagement ranges, and they’re really only usable at close range for the spammier ones.

[versed summit]

Regular striker works, maybe add the chest. Blues can help but I’d make sure you’re using a shield and potentially memento if you’re taking blues.

[strong cave]

I've tossed flatline rifles on spotter builds for long range and they take a decent chunk out of enemies. As a main weapon tho, rifles still aren't viable enough. The 1886 is probably the only reliable rifle (except LVOAC, I see you D1 veterans)

But even then, with the 1886, you're pretty much locked to determined

[hexed steppe]

Before and after rifle changes I'm m1a cqb/classic all the way. Both are quite good with flatline or boomerang.
I have been liking artist tool recently tho 💯

[velvet beacon]

preferre 1886 one tap on solo runs, cause sometimes is hard to stack it in team

[strong cave]

Boomerang aces and eights surprisingly hits stupid strong. The issue is that it's spammy and well... Recoil

15 in the mag, I'll miss 10 of it before I hit my target 😂

[hexed steppe]

I run cqb as my secondary on striker as well. The handling helps

I dont really full auto the rifles unless I'm right on top of something, usually I'm just on the ar at that point tho

[strong cave]

Weapon handling from striker and probably from gunner staying stationary

Might have to check that out

[hexed steppe]

2pc bonus as well

[strong cave]

I tried to do a memento aces rifle build where you spam it. Used the merciless and ravenous. Both performed amazingly. I also used a police mk17 and the CQB and that hit hard too. The issue, as previously stated, is the damage increase doesn't feel strong enough for rifles. I noticed the damage constantly went up and down and that was resulting in me struggling in engagements where I needed to kill fast

Really tried to get behind this whole "rifles are the new meta" push and found myself driven even further away from em

[hexed steppe]

90% of the time I'm on nego with rifles. I have artist tool on an umbra memento and it seems pretty good. Not enough usage on my part to really champion it or anything

[urban latch]

Every time something gets changed/buffed a bunch of people are just going to assume it's the "new meta" no matter what

[strong cave]

I ran ravenous on nego at one point and it was entertaining. Did merciless as well, it was a piss poor experience. High end hit for decent numbers

[strong cave]

I've noticed that heavily these last few updates where it's overhaul towards gear. Last overhaul most of the talents got buffed as well as guns. Now those guns got tanked, and the "meta" shifted in favor to rifles. rifles are still ass, even in full auto. Not sure why people's brains didn't click, but who knows lol. The games content is draught city, so I tried to see what the hype was about. Would rather have spent my time elsewhere 😂

[velvet beacon]

only rpm meaning in game atm

[round zinc]

this goes both ways when a slight nerf to something makes people go "hurrr they killed X weapon"

[strong cave]

Ouroboros really didn't need to be touched, same with striker bag in pve

[urban latch]

It definitely did lol

[strong cave]

I will stand on that hill and die on that hill

[velvet beacon]

backfire on huge + with faster stacks

[strong cave]

Backfire is 😩 now

Loving me full hazpro backfire umbra.... If the fkn gearset wasn't bugged rn

[round zinc]

ouroboros deserved that nerf the problem is that they didn't even rework the talent

striker bag nerf was ehhhhh

like it sorta deserve a nerf but it didn't do much tbh

[strong cave]

PvP striker nerf, hell yeah

[round zinc]

and then they buffed heartbreaker which is arguably just as braindead as striker so whats the point

[strong cave]

PvE was just wild

[round zinc]

it really wasn't

its not rocket science it has just been dominating the game for so long now

you cant have build diversity if everything is just a worse striker

[urban latch]

You REALLY don't need haz pro with backfire now

[strong cave]

Ouroboros imo needed a slightly slower rate of fire. Damage was okay on it. Now they tanked both and didn't rework the talent so it's kinda good still but kinda not

[velvet beacon]

but bleed slowmo is kinda annoyin for me

[round zinc]

wait 3 years until they give it a touchup like chameleon

[urban latch]

It's still top tier, just not as broken as it was before

[strong cave]

Not really but it's nice being able to be immune to all status effects

[round zinc]

at the cost of your dps sure

[strong cave]

Something about not being shocked in place feels awesome

[round zinc]

cuz we're just assuming highest possible dps build

[strong cave]

😂

[strong cave]

This was built before backfire changes

[round zinc]

just go full red now tbh

[strong cave]

After the update they basically made it better

[round zinc]

even before backfire buff i'd just use full red hunters fury

[strong cave]

Ye rely on the aok built into it

[round zinc]

hazpro isn't necessary when you can just outheal the damage with AoK or passive regen from memento

[strong cave]

I've seen people do enough armor Regen to negate the damage of the bleed

Without sacrificing crit

[round zinc]

because of how chd has diminishing return ideally i'd slot in weapon handling over crit dmg for attribute on armor

8x6=48% extra handling, enough accuracy for it to be reasonable at mid range

[velvet beacon]

80k regen is enough for bleed + armor on kill and u are fine 😄

[urban latch]

Once your at max backfire stacks you don't get bleed, so you really don't even need armor on kill, Regen, or haz pro

Just keep your stacks active and your good

[velvet beacon]

y

[round zinc]

hey raucey how's measured rn

i talked to some people yesterday and they said that it could be better than both strained and optimist

[strong cave]

Half as good as optimist 😂

[round zinc]

i got told that too

hence asking someone that knows le maff

[strong cave]

The only time I see measured potentially worth it is maybe Umbra

I fear the line stops at striker

[velvet beacon]

i have issue with LVOA-Q/ACR-SS throwback, on base stats ACR is more stable and on max stability have higher throwback than on LVOA-Q

[rich cosmos]

There is no lvoa-q

[velvet beacon]

sry LVOA-C 😅

[magic pilot]

It's probably the best talent rn

[hexed steppe]

So ig it's time to break out the apartment

[subtle bluff]

Just go Diamondback. Its' prefect the gearset

[hasty sluice]

Should I make a red Fi build to run backup requests with?

[subtle bluff]

imo no

[hexed steppe]

nah, never know what directives are on. roll dps for backups

[hasty sluice]

honestly thats hardly an issue ever. atm im using a HH fury while having my pistol be my main when running hard & below stuff

[onyx sage]

one of us

[hasty sluice]

I feel kinda bad nuking stuff when I join somebody thats running story

I was able to roll a d&h chest with hh lol

[hexed steppe]

could bring a jammer eclipse for story stuff XD

[subtle bluff]

Math says otherwise.

[hasty sluice]

ep always feels like it just invalidates stuff

[hexed steppe]

well, it does kill half the map on story

[hasty sluice]

setup atm

[subtle bluff]

Choice chest brand and pistol confuse me

[hasty sluice]

stated prior I use it while running backup calls.

[onyx sage]

chest brand is good, pistol confuses me

[hexed steppe]

firewall with no striker shield

[hasty sluice]

its flex atm I had to keep a dude alive that somehow downed every other firefight

thats why I was asking if I should make a red Fi lol

[subtle bluff]

I run it this way for calls

[hasty sluice]

doing funny sheperd stuff atm

oh a ksg?

[subtle bluff]

Sometimes the other kill so I don't ever want to reload during combat

The dmg different isn't big vs m870

[hasty sluice]

fair

[subtle bluff]

HF backpack kill will give you a lot of CC

[onyx sage]

not fully optimized

🫵 😂

[subtle bluff]

lazy

[onyx sage]

fair enough

[subtle bluff]

There even a blue core for some weird reason

[hexed steppe]

technically with memento, if you swapped out to tech class with repair perk, you would have a tier 2 healing drone, tier 3 with pistol in hand, and that should really be more than enough to keep someone alive without compromising any of your build

+40% repair skills

[hasty sluice]

hmmm thats fair

good idea I might just do it

[hazy steeple]

Red FI is a lot of fun, but not really good as a general setup, it's better for something like Countdown.

[subtle bluff]

I can't remember does memento stack on when you take a call?

[hexed steppe]

yeah itll stack, itll need to be built again, but it shouldnt be an issue

only time i saw memento not stack, was pre "one end game" with a level 30 memento , agent using it not having an shd watch. agent in ny between 31-40

[hasty sluice]

ooh I can still have 152% hs on my shotgun while having 1 repair mod for 19.4%

[hexed steppe]

could also use reformation on a utility weapon

like swapping out salvage for it maybe 🤔

[hasty sluice]

funny inf pistol ammo/funny healing skill

[magic pilot]

Apartment sucks sadly

[fresh fox]

30k base is a lot………….

[stone lark]

isn't it still pretty strong though anyways? also just off the subject but do fire EP builds just struggle against robotic enemies?

[subtle bluff]

I mean you're not wrong but it's for answering calls. It still works it's the same has the old m870 close enough

[fresh fox]

just use the m870 he’s the champ and deserves it 🥹

[fresh fox]

yes they struggle

[stone lark]

shame

[fresh fox]

you have to use firewall secondary for it to do something

[stone lark]

how would i go about with the playstyle in general?

mostly sit back or can i be more aggressive

[fresh fox]

idk i only use it in hard missions

for leaderboards

[hexed steppe]

you can pair your firechem with emp sticky as a variant when you know youll be running into robotic enemies. survival class crossbow is pretty decent. if using tech class youll get some extra damage to electronics and an emp grenade that could help.
usually better options when going against robots tho, damage ep falls off in higher difficulties. mortar build, hardwire jammer both ok options

solid option is keeping a few builds on you and get used to change ups as needed. even mid mission

[glossy scarab]

i might be the only one playing with this brand set

[fresh fox]

and what about without modifiers

[glossy scarab]

not as good. body crits like 720k

no wait 776k. i ran it without the modifiers and did fine but its so much quicker with modifiers

[clever merlin]

thought this would be a post about the 5.11 lol

[mellow cedar]

Hello

[hasty sluice]

keep? deconstruct?

[sullen shuttle]

what’s a good ouro build? I’m new to the game.

[keen meteor]

most of the red builds listed work well with oreo

[sullen shuttle]

okay, thanks