td2-build-advice

[empty trout]

this countdown is like 8 players?

really don't wanna do that

[fresh fox]

matchmake

[onyx sage]

countdown is almost braindead to play

follow the herd, don't use deployable skills when fighting hunters, do objectives, extract

[subtle bluff]

You'd be surprised sometimes.

[tulip charm]

Nah you always run a t6 drone turret build whenever you have hunter

Easy clears

[hazy steeple]

It'll certainly easily clear one faction.

[violet kayak]

This is a game where it's better to excel at one thing. But I always try to be good at everything. Even if I'm weak,

[hexed steppe]

look into hunters fury, heartbreaker, or maybe blue strikers (blue/red ratio is personal preference).

youve already got memento which is an easy 2 skilltiers for the shield, using tech class adds a 3rd skilltier for shield. tech also has artificer hive which can passively repair your shield every 10 seconds while never having to deploy it.

heartbreaker is tied to having npcs pulsed, but tech class has linked laser attachment that pulses anything within its sights.

if you go the strikers/hunters fury route, then you can get the armor on kill from gunner class. if more is desired you could also run a palisades for additional armor on kill. hf also takes the armor on kill a step further. mop named shotgun can also boost armor on kill from its special attribute

i wouldnt put regen in your attributes %regen is way better than #regen. memento 3% should be sufficient.

a lot of times with dps, having high damage is the survivability. dead npcs dont shoot back.

[hexed steppe]

once fixed umbra has damage and regen. little buggy atm tho having to remove and re add a piece to make the talent work

yeah, whenever you fast trave or joing a session the talent stops working, wont stack. just gotte remove a piece then add it back and itll start working normal. pretty minor but annoying

[hexed steppe]

its quicker to just swap a single umbra piece of then back. loadouts wont work in combat if you forgot to do the swap

its actually a pretty decent set tho, just built mine last week

[sullen sun]

Picaros still worth using after the update?

[red island]

yes

[sullen sun]

Thoughts?

[red island]

pestilence doesnt count as status effect

its just a debuff

[hexed steppe]

3rd piece of lengmo will be 30% lmg damage , definitely outweighs picaros

[red island]

oh yeah def

just put blue core on it if you want armor

[hexed steppe]

but it is a good point about pesti not being a status. wicked wont be active a lot. you could gunner pulse, but personally i would roll with unstoppable force or vigilance on the bag.
would be good to move ceska over to holster spot and use lengmo named bag backbone. itll net 35% twd

[red island]

with that much dps, unstoppable would def be a good choice

oh wait is that pve or pvp build ?

[hexed steppe]

i think itll synergize well with pesti, especially if the pestilence debuff kills proc unstoppable force. being the only source of total weapon damage, itll act as an amp. could also glass chest and really boost the ticks

[sullen sun]

Backbone for PvP?

By the way creeping death is bugged

[red island]

how is it bugged ?

[sullen sun]

Not working in the DZ at least

Not proc’ng

[red island]

did you try with pestilence ?

[sullen sun]

Doesn’t work with Pesti

[red island]

yeah thats what we said before, what did you try with ?

[sullen sun]

Creeping death I meant

[glossy scarab]

creeping death has a cooldown no?

[sullen sun]

It’s not spreading whatsoever

[glossy scarab]

damn. have you tried other ways of applying a status other than the iron lung?

[sullen sun]

With my sticky bomb yeah

[glossy scarab]

damn. and you had enemies within 8 meters?

sheeit

[red island]

did you met the conditions ?

[sullen sun]

So it’s working at the White House

But not in the DZ 🤔

[subtle bluff]

it's not worth it.

[red island]

you know stats are differnt in dz right ?

same as talents

check thoses on your gear

[eager cloak]

Hello pro gamers, what is the best SMG in terms of accuracy?

Not considering talent, just base stat.

[cosmic storm]

AUG A3 Para XS and Police T821 have high accuracy

[restive vortex]

How can I improve my rifle build? All my gear is rolled with CHC + CHD.
I feel like I’m lacking survivability. I’ve been testing some of the rifles and I think I want to use lightweight m4 as my primary, haven’t decided on the other 2 weapons yet

[red island]

you lack survibility cause you got 0 armor

also boomerang isnt the best talent on rifles

also how much chc do you have ?

without coyote talent

[restive vortex]

I went overkill on chc probably, I have 48%

But I’m thinking of replacing coyote with something else and rolling an armor core on some of my gear

[red island]

yeah, with coyote you gain 25% chc if you shoot from far, so either lose the mask, or change thoses stats

[cosmic storm]

Stick it in here -> https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/

[red island]

why not go diamondback and nego ?

[restive vortex]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGEBWFnXaygXAgBzhQxliiqQB00O9uyeAnKRLFJZnLY302gDsbMgzH98aYtHYTxYvGDgwZovmmpd5+YHAiouYJNqYm5eM-IsW5WG5aA

the values are different in game tho

[restive vortex]

no clue, this is my first time making a build on my own

[red island]

check that build, you might like it

i know i do

[restive vortex]

that build looks cool but im looking to improve the one i have rn tbh

[red island]

well for starter i'd lose the mask

also why use spotter on chest if you dont use pulse

[restive vortex]

i am using linked laser pointer

[red island]

ah you're running technician

i'd drop that too, run gunner instead, for the aok

[fresh fox]

woah woah woah

[red island]

you dont use anything from tech beside pointer

[fresh fox]

and that’s great

if you are gonna go laser pointer just throw flatline on

[red island]

yeah that too, boomerang isnt good

[fresh fox]

it’s good just you need 60 chc

[restive vortex]

hmm what talents should i use if i go gunner

i wanted to get rid of the coyotes mask and replace it with something that has a blue armor core, and maybe roll armor on kill mod on it or something

and replace boomerang with flatline but maybe going gunner is the better choice

[fresh fox]

just use a palisade piece

don’t bother with armor on kill mods

[restive vortex]

oh sweet

didnt realise it gives u aoc as a brand bonus

[hexed steppe]

Didnt realize this was for pvp. My suggestions were for pve, my bad

[magic pilot]

PvP right

[red island]

love the purple lvl 30 pistol tho xd

[magic pilot]

Div 1 meta

[limber raven]

Why uzina

I see a lot of people running pestilence with uzina but idk why

[tulip charm]

uzina?

[tulip charm]

Backborn is terrible for pvp since its on kill effect.

[red island]

if its dz its easy to get a kill on npc

also its usually rare to get vigilance ot proc in dz

[magic pilot]

where uzina?

you mean lengmo?

[magic pilot]

i pretty much just flank constantly with this build

not for face trading

[drifting leaf]

anything i can improve on this?

[tulip charm]

Get an acs-12 and a different gun when do you group stuff

make sure you're at 50% crit minimum

[drifting leaf]

would st elmos be better?

and im at 60 crit chance rn is that ok

[hexed steppe]

one solid improvement would be learning to use the snipping tool. once you have image snipped you can directly paste into the chat 👍

[hexed steppe]

if running coyote and using mostly mid range weapons, 50% chc is usually the target. if running close quarters youll want 60%. you basically want your range buff and actual chc to add up to 60%

[drifting leaf]

ok thanks!

[hexed steppe]

i would use elmo over cham because itll be a lot more consistent. cham can be really strong tho, but youll always be chasing the buffs. highend ar with strained also good

[red island]

or just use the print screen button on keyboard

[hexed steppe]

i mean, you want your screenshot targeted , someone with dual monitors would be sending a huge shot instead of a tiny snip thats needed

[red island]

press alt

alt + print screen will only take the window/program you have the focus on

[hexed steppe]

or just use the snipping tool

[red island]

yeah but that require more buttons to press + mouse to move

and im what the kids call : lazy

[hexed steppe]

allows for edit if need to highlight something

[red island]

yeah, but in that case i prefer using paint

more tools, more friendly

[magic pilot]

F12

Boom one key

[red island]

what would it do ?

[tulip charm]

Blows up your computer.

[red island]

i wish, but i would rename it "self destruct" and change the keycap to a big red one with a safety on it

[magic pilot]

It's the screenshot shortcut for Ubisoft overlay

[dreamy valve]

new youtube build just droped yall

[jolly sapphire]

why eag?

[dreamy valve]

said optimal range would be better

[jolly sapphire]

hm

[dreamy valve]

or playing at a longer range

[jolly sapphire]

pretty solid tbf

[red island]

yeah, but its bad, cause chameleon is played at close range cause of bad accuracy, not cause of optimal range

you' be better off with fox prayer

[dreamy valve]

eagle probably improves the accuracy too

[red island]

it doesnt ? its only optimal range ?

or am i missing something ?

also if you play from THAT far, just pick a sniper build

[dreamy valve]

well what does handling improve i forgor

[red island]

handling improve all, but 15% isnt enough

chameleon accuracy is really bad

you'd be better off playing elmo

[dreamy valve]

I would use a high end with chameleon to test out more handling on it just for science

like a non strikers high end chameleon build

[red island]

also chameleon rof isnt great

[jolly sapphire]

chameleon died off really quickily ow that I think about it

[dreamy valve]

so youre saying chameleon is still bad

[red island]

it is bad, its a verctor but with assault rifle stats

its talent take 90 years to stack, and isnt worth the trouble

[dreamy valve]

i havent touched it since the update, ill try it out one more time to remind myself

[pale dagger]

For a red striker build with a F200 AR, what might be a good talent be to swap out on the AR?

[red island]

depends on the build, by default the named f2k is nice

[jolly sapphire]

Rate the build! ( Legendary DPS )

[red island]

way too squichy to use unbreakable imo

[jolly sapphire]

then what should I replace it with

[red island]

tbh i'd use at least 3 blue core

[jolly sapphire]

for legendary?

[red island]

ah legendary

thats different

[jolly sapphire]

Yeah I was on about legendaey

[tulip charm]

Hmm

[jolly sapphire]

legendary**

[red island]

i cant help you with that, im not doing it enough to be knowledgable on that

[tulip charm]

striker chest is better

[red island]

but seeing how tanky npc are in legendary, yeah, i'd use the chest

[tulip charm]

also you want better skills ie emp and decoy

[jolly sapphire]

so 5 pc striker?..

[tulip charm]

?????????

[red island]

no, take fox prayer instead

[tulip charm]

Ofc not

striker chest and ceska anything else

[jolly sapphire]

striker and ceska holster?

[red island]

i'd take fox prayer tbh

the dttooc is really goated

[tulip charm]

too much of a chc lost for foxes

[red island]

you got coyote

[tulip charm]

regardless

[jolly sapphire]

instead of ceska can i use grupo

[tulip charm]

ceska is preferred. chc 14% chc/12% chd is better than 6% chc/25% chd in a crit starved build. But groupo is fine.

[jolly sapphire]

so if I dont have ceska

[red island]

you arent crit starved tho ?

[jolly sapphire]

I can replace it with grupo

[red island]

whats your stat atm ?

[jolly sapphire]

lemme pull it up

well I just did a few switches

so itll be different from the previous

[tulip charm]

Striker doesn't have innate chc so you'd run ceska before anything

even with smg due the chd attachment buff

[red island]

if its legendary you'll be playing from far

that mean you're above the 60% cap with coyote

[jolly sapphire]

Im not shd 1000 yet

[tulip charm]

50% chc minimum

[red island]

thats without coyote

[tulip charm]

I know

[red island]

if he uses coyote, then its too much

[tulip charm]

????

[red island]

he will be playing from far

that mean +25% crit all the time

[jolly sapphire]

ok now its 50% crit

[tulip charm]

You're relying on 25m+ buff?

[jolly sapphire]

131% crit dmg

[red island]

its legendary, you dont exactly go ramming the npc heads

[tulip charm]

Most of the time you're in mid range buff not long range

in both solo and group

[jolly sapphire]

Im never soloing legendary

atm

[red island]

even then, thats still enough chc

unless you go very close range, you're above 60% chc

no need for more chc

[tulip charm]

huh?

Thats why you hit 50%

[red island]

he is at 50

[tulip charm]

He showed 46

[red island]

and you dont need to add ceska

[jolly sapphire]

I switched it up

so its 50% chc

[tulip charm]

Thats fine for leg

[red island]

he said he is at 50 after, also he aint shd 1k, his chc will go up

[tulip charm]

Fil what watch bonus did you max already from the damage side

[red island]

you cant max 1 befor e1k

its little bit each time

[tulip charm]

at 600 shd he should already have 2 of the 4 maxed

ah

[red island]

well there you go

[jolly sapphire]

weapon dmg cause I was running PVP alot in my 100s 200s

[tulip charm]

oh well just roll a chc out when you hit 750

[jolly sapphire]

but the build is good for legendary?

[red island]

if you replace the chest yeah

[jolly sapphire]

the chest to what

[red island]

to striker

[jolly sapphire]

it is

[jolly sapphire]

.

[red island]

then its fine

you should be good

[jolly sapphire]

alr thanks so much!

[magic pilot]

i actually hated this video

[fresh fox]

no amount of propaganda can make me use it

[magic pilot]

i think the testing done was extremely poor

not a single mention of group content

and if we are talking about solo heroic chameleon doesnt work with all directives. even if it did regulus is better still

[dreamy valve]

sounds like we are reaching around the bottom of the barrel stuff at this point with the update

[rich lotus]

I thought dod regnbue was super smart guys

[red island]

i struggle to see any youtuber being smart

and nor farming views

[fresh fox]

you dont understand bro it got a buff

[keen meteor]

I know these are rookie numbers but reversal is so nice I love the global modifier

Does anyone have a setup that would be able to hit 100 mil dps with the global modifier?

[subtle bluff]

Idk about any. Most sure.

[hexed steppe]

youre better off with ceska, how many chc rolls are you using across the gear. chances are the switch to ceska and rebalancing chc/chd will see you with higher chd overall

[pale dagger]

Thanks !

[onyx sage]

not always

[meager karma]

hi guys, quick question : for a healer build is 71% skill haste enough or should i aim for more ?

[random sigil]

another quick question: how do people have enough stash space for all the builds?

I'm like literally full and I barely have enough space for anything new. not to mention the new seasonal gear or what's coming in the expansion next year

[magic pilot]

as long as you can heal a red player to full hp with chem

[magic pilot]

just have to know what you will use and what you wont

[random sigil]

That's my problem, I have decision paralysis. My brain always says, this is a good roll MAYBE I'll use it EVENTUALLY

[hazy steeple]

Try to think of it like this: can the item be changed to the perfect stats, with 1 recal?

To narrow it down further: can it be made into a godroll with a few Optimisations?

[random sigil]

mmmm. yeah. another issue, I try to have at least one of each item including named items and exotics, that alone takes up a crap load of space

not to mention, im not as picky with chest pieces and backpacks cause its much harder to get a good combination on those

[rich lotus]

Keeping one of every exotic is fine tbh. 90% of named weapons are useless

named items**

and its not cause the perk sucks but the item its on

[random sigil]

i guess i can just give in and make extra character to serve as mulepacks

[rich lotus]

I mean are you only keeping godrolls or what

[kindred mango]

A good roll on a jank item is still jank hehe

[random sigil]

I mean for builds ive already made, yes, but for builds i want to make but dont have everything yet noo

[rich lotus]

Hmmm

[random sigil]

and sometime i forget if i have a better roll on soemthing, and keep it and throw it in the stash and forget how many of a roll i have

[rich lotus]

Ahhh

Yeah you need to do some spring cleaning lol

[random sigil]

And sometime, i keep a roll for every slot like ceska for example

[rich lotus]

And just sort the items and go thru the duplicates

[random sigil]

cause depending on the build the ceska could by any slot

[rich lotus]

Yeah I have that too

[random sigil]

and not to mention, i like to have one or two hybrid builds for solo play

i think im just trying to do too much maybe

[kindred mango]

Yeah. You can’t do that for every set though there is too many items in the game

[random sigil]

Yeahhh thats my issue, i hate limited stash lol

i often get bored of build quickly too, so i like to switch often

thats a problem as well

And cant forget i dont have proficiency on everything, so theres that too

[kindred mango]

I would keep one of each exotic, and anything hard to find like unicorn chests or backpacks. Most of the rest can be farmed pretty quick

[rich lotus]

Inventory management in this game is a pain and a real turn off if you’ve played games like Destiny

[random sigil]

yup

AND, the weapons and skill mod system drives me insane

just like make it like the library where the highest one get updated

[hazy steeple]

Every problem you're having right now is just a newbie thing, once it "clicks", you won't even think about this stuff, I promise.

[random sigil]

stop making it take up space

[kindred mango]

Everyone does it their own way but char one is my main and has most of my load outs, and then try to keep lots of free space otherwise. Char two is a gun mule. Char three I have pvp loadouts and gear sets and exotic armour. Char 4 is watch mule. Brand sets in the stash

[random sigil]

im gonna have to do that, i havent made any additional characters

i feel like im going to have to

[hazy steeple]

This game very much is not destiny 2, it's meant to be played slow.
div2 is a tactical shooter, you slowly upgrade your build over time, with no reason to rush through anything, since the game actively encourages you to take your time.

[rich lotus]

Was not the point but ok

Whooosh

[hazy steeple]

Yours wasn't the only comment and I didn't reply directly to you.

[random sigil]

I mean, i have lots of builds, and my perk and library are maxed. its just to keep all of my builds, and deciding what pieces to keep or not and having one of each item. i dont think i cna do all that without making more characters i guess

[hazy steeple]

I've seen this exact same thing a thousand times on this Server. Someone starts the game and feels overwhelmed, but then a month or so later (if they're still around), many of the issues they had are just not a problem anymore.

Don't worry Agent, you got this.

[random sigil]

kk, im just gonna make three other characters now and at least give myself more breathing room

[hazy steeple]

Just make sure you don't fall into the trap of thinking that just because something might be good, it's worth keeping.

That's an easy way to have all your characters maxed out on junk.

[kindred mango]

Oh one thing I think is worth doing is spreading out mods across your characters so you don’t wonder if you need a particular one or not. Like make sure each character has say 3/4 cc, cd, skill haste, pfe, etc. same with the skill mods.

Once you know you’re good for a particular one you can crush new ones without worrying if you need or not

[random sigil]

oh truee. i'll have to do spring cleaning on everything before i go back to my main

[kindred mango]

I keep random mods that are t used much like say bleed resist all on one char

[random sigil]

im SHD lvl 1009, is that good time to make additiona characters? I think i remember someone saying i still get SHD levels while i level them or something? I dunno I remember someone saying it was beneficial but dont remember what the benefit was

[hazy steeple]

1500+

You don't gain SHD levels whilst a character is going from 31-40.

[kindred mango]

I kinda wish there was like a companion app where you could move gear around without using the game ui and having to log in and out all the time but hey

[random sigil]

dang, okay. theeeen what was the benefit people mentioned for leveling alt characters besides being pack mules? I remember something about the SHD watch but dont remember what

[hazy steeple]

When you level an alt, at Lvl 40 they gain all the scavenger points that your Agent would have earned up to that point.
so your SHD level is account-wide.

[random sigil]

OH

okay got it

[fresh fox]

try to level a few others

i always try to level other characters to newer players

the few extra scav points are nice

[hexed steppe]

Agreed

[hexed steppe]

At shd 1009, each agent you level to shd watch will instantly have 209 scavenging available.

[random sigil]

I might stagger leveling new ones then, to get some extra use out of them

[hexed steppe]

Once leveled you let them sit and they keep collecting as main levels up.
Basically every day is 4x xp

[fresh fox]

try to get a buddy to help level them

its much faster if you do that

[random sigil]

ah okay that makes sense

[proper tulip]

new to the game, was wondering if anyone had any advice on some meta AR or SMG PVE builds that I could check out! thanks or even youtubers that you highly recommend?

[broken edge]

check pinned comments with a list of builds

[soft apex]

What's a good skill build? I thought about trying one out. I'd like it if I could get advice on how to fit surge into the equation cause the Lvoa is my favorite gun

[shy willow]

Ideally you'd just use capacitor

You can check the pinned spreadsheet for builds

[slate spoke]

use capacitor and surge as your second gun isn't a bad idea

[soft apex]

What's capacitor that an exotic?

I haven't memorized all the guns yet

[slate spoke]

yeah its an exotic and it has damage to armor which will apply to some of the skills.

[soft apex]

Nice

What would be some good skills to use? I currently use the scanner pulse and the turret. Cause I lose track of how many enemies there are and the turret is nice backup.

[slate spoke]

ah someone just joined me in matchmaking, but i can talk more after. check out using spotter for your chest then if you like scanner pulse. if you dm me i can send you screen grabs of the stuff i'm talking about

[soft apex]

Ok

I've been playing for 380 hours collectively but have never really done a real build. I just used stuff that sounded cool or items I liked.

Pretty much I just collect random stuff like the exotics.

[shy willow]

Depends on build

If you're trying to do damage it's mostly either the mortar, fire skills, or turret/assault drone

[soft apex]

I just wanted to give skill a try was all. I know they can be useful if you do put the time into it

[proper tulip]

thanks!

[random sigil]

for alts, do you guys skip straight to WONY?

[mighty widget]

👍

[random sigil]

will it auto complete all the base game missions/side missions unlock the skill and shd tech/perks?

[mighty widget]

I believe so, haven't done it in a while

[shy willow]

Yes

[mighty widget]

Nobody is on the questions so ill as here, If my rank on a equipment is rank 10 and my core/attributes are not all the way up is there a way to get the core/attributes to max?

[random sigil]

omg ive wasted 2 hours doing base game stuffff

[shy willow]

Nah definitely do the base game first

Good to get the basics down

[shy willow]

Proficiency and optimisation are separate systems

Go to the tinkering station and optimise if you wanna improve attributes

[random sigil]

I mean, I did on my main, this is my first alt character

[shy willow]

Oh then definitely skip to warlords

[mighty widget]

So I can't just play to lvl the attributes up?

[shy willow]

You have to manually upgrade using resources or farm a better one

You can level up proficiency by playing

But then similarly you have to manually apply expertise levels

[solar sable]

Optimising requires resources
Proficiency requires just having it equipped

gate strat ban when?

[mighty widget]

Trying to farm for a better one with all the stats up, haven't gotten one

[shy willow]

Yes plz

[solar sable]

it's just rng

[shy willow]

Can always just optimise

Or just leave the piece as is

[solar sable]

can't optimise without having the attribute max extracted in the library

just a heads up

[mighty widget]

Mine sucks then

[mighty widget]

I know, but I need a talent on it too and we can't do 2 things on the same equipment

[shy willow]

Gotta just farm or craft one then

That's recalibration too another separate system

[mighty widget]

Forgot about the crafting

[worldly willow]

I'm using a weapon handling LMG build, is pestilence the best dps lmg?

[sullen sun]

Why is measured so great all of a sudden?

[sullen sun]

Pesti or Iron Lung

[red island]

its not great, i think it was buffed, but still not great

[gentle lichen]

Placebo getting a little bit of sugar inside it

[subtle bluff]

Measured is pretty good by the numbers but it's downside is that we almost never use the full mag.

[warped pecan]

I'm trying to get a hunters build together again, I used to run it with adrenaline rush and intimidate. Currently trying it with clutch and coyote's for the medium range challenges, also been running memento and obliterate. Anyone think of better options?

[rich lotus]

This is the best answer tbh

[hoary atlas]

Strained or Optimist suitable for carbine 7

[subtle bluff]

Honestly the better dmg and uotime afterwards would be killer

[hoary atlas]

I have No idea what Build i made

this supposed good for pve/pvp

[upper yew]

hey guys im looking for a good support build which gear set combo would be the best ?(I prefer reinforcer chem or restorer hive) And also talents and wepons etc (FOR PVE)

[grand furnace]

tu cherche toujours ?

[tulip charm]

Future Initiative

In the spreadsheet sheet in pinned comments.

[red island]

why is it so yellow ??

do you live in mexico in a hollywood movie ?

[toxic swallow]

@hazy steeple

[rich cosmos]

Oh good lord

[tulip charm]

Oh Dear

[limber raven]

any ideas for improving this ?

is a pvp 100 % pulse res haz pro

im not sure on weapon and chest brand

[fresh fox]

sokolov chest

[red island]

why do you have 2 more skill piece ?

[limber raven]

For smg, wouldnt be and assault rifle better here, like straight dmg talent like bighorn or optimist

[magic pilot]

there is a way to improve this but you wont like it

[limber raven]

Tell me please

[magic pilot]

make 3 seperate builds, one for hazpro, one for pulse one for dps

[limber raven]

I was thinking the same actually, i had no reason to mix 100 hazpro 100 pulse res

[magic pilot]

ive tried running that before

[limber raven]

And how was it ? No dmg right

[magic pilot]

^

i ended up swapping providence for walker iirc

[fresh fox]

and he has a sokolov on see

#trustcompton

[magic pilot]

but yea it has no dmg

[limber raven]

That build is a blessing

[magic pilot]

even when i was playing someone running flatline i still got dunked on

[limber raven]

I love builds with ninja that uses all atributes

Perfectly efficient no stat waste

[magic pilot]

this is your best bet for smg build, can also swap grupo for p efficient

[limber raven]

Pvp god what do you think about the bighorn catharsis belstone build

[magic pilot]

super good

capacitor really strong still

[limber raven]

Im running that with picaros, providence with companion, a contractors and emperors guard, but not sure if the emperors is actaully worth

[magic pilot]

ignore the lack of mods they are on another character

[limber raven]

You are truly the pvp god

[magic pilot]

its kinda funny because i just started getting back into it again

most of these are made for DZ as well btw

[limber raven]

All my builds are for conflict sadly, I dont have enough time to farm the stuff for my dz build I want

So I just run umbra in dz

Ninja umbra walker sokolov, eb and darkwinter

[magic pilot]

ok so for the SMG build just swap fox for another sokolov

[limber raven]

Very suboptimal

[magic pilot]

eh its not bad

what makes umbra really common to see is capacitor and iron lung tho

[limber raven]

I have a umbra ninja capacitor Picaro's

Is so strong that is boring to play with

[magic pilot]

cryp runs his with gila and picaros i think

[limber raven]

Mine has a walker

So I have some form of multiplicative dmg

Goes well with the high crit dmg

[onyx sage]

multiplicative

triggered me

[magic pilot]

lol

[limber raven]

Isnt the dmg to armor from walker multiplicative ?

My life has been a lie

[onyx sage]

every stat is multiplicative

dta is both additive and multiplicative

because if you have dta from say your shotgun it adds to walker dta

weapon damage is multiplicative because it multiplies with crit dmg and headshot dmg for example

[limber raven]

Yes but adding more to one has diminishing returns

[onyx sage]

crit dmg is also multiplicative

you see where i'm going with this

it's all about what you get at the end

if you get so few dta for it to be worth it it's worse anyway

[magic pilot]

the best build for pvp has never been made

(it has im dramatic)

[onyx sage]

it's why people run crit over fox in striker most of the time even though dttooc is MuLTiPlICaTiVE

[limber raven]

I think contractors fox is a crime to humanity

To run both with an ar

[limber raven]

Let me guess it has an eb

[magic pilot]

Rn it's probably pestilence tbh

[limber raven]

Idk why but I see bullets coming out of the pestilence like a shotgun sometimes

Like a minigun or something, cheater, exploit or visual bug ? They erase me from existance in conflict

[magic pilot]

cheater probably

[wise swallow]

3 gilla?

did they buff that or something

[rich lotus]

Oh no..

He gonna pull out the google doc 💀

[onyx sage]

💀

[fresh fox]

2% regen

and a some armor/health

[hoary atlas]

Nvidia Filter

[hasty sluice]

how much does having max armor on momento even matter?

[hazy steeple]

Like, bugger all. Armour is paper in div2, even with 6 full cores.

[solar sable]

armor in PvE is like running armor plates against a 50 calibre sniper lol

[shy willow]

They're mainly for buffing the shield

[bronze hound]

armour is good when paired with pfe thats it

[subtle bluff]

Heartbreaker

[bronze hound]

counterpoint: we are talking about good sets

[rich cosmos]

Heartbreaker needs armor because of bonus armor

Because without it the bonus armor is lower

Same applies to memento

[subtle bluff]

what's bad about HB for solo or PvE?
HB vs Striker
Cons

• No ROF
• Base stats is Armor
• Needs a way to pulse targets to build stacks

Pros

• Stacks are 1.1% vs 0.65% or 0.90% w/BP for DMG
• Gain bonus armor per stack
• Doesn't need a BP to run so can run Memento

[rich lotus]

Don’t mind the brain rot npcs that still run around with obliterate strikers

Some people just never gonna change what they run. No different than the content creators they shit on tbh

[hoary atlas]

i have a Build but CHC is 150 and CHD is 60

[hazy steeple]

I think referring to people as "npc's" has about the same effect, to be honest.
@hoary atlas 60% is the hard cap for crit chance, so as long as you aren't going over and wasting stats, it should be fine.
If you are using Coyotes, you're safe at about 50-55%, assuming you're using an AR.

[hoary atlas]

im use Carbine 7 with Optimist

and im not use Coyote

but carthasis

[hazy steeple]

I'm guessing it's a PvP setup then.

[restive vortex]

Is there a reason that in every build I see online that has a Ceska gear piece, it’s always the chest piece? Why can’t it be something like gloves? Is it because the chest piece is the most flexible one to mix and match with others or are there some hidden stat bonuses or something?

[dull ermine]

Ceska chest / backpack is the most versatile to give appropriate crit stats

Same with coyote mask

[restive vortex]

Ah so it’s just for the sake of versatility

[strong cave]

This is because ceska slots in best as a backpack or a chest piece. Most weapon/crit based builds use a chest talent or a backpack talent. Good example, striker. You don't get 2 attributes on your gear, only 1. So you'll be missing a lot of crit chance. Coyote is best in slot for the crit damage bonuses. Ceska would be best in slot for increasing crit chance so you can add more crit damage

Same example can be used for true Patriot. 4 piece TP, ceska chest, coyote mask. Missing a lot of crit chance, so ceska gives more. It's just that damn handy to have a good ceska chest piece

[hazy steeple]

^
Additional note: even if you have enough with a Grupo piece instead, it's still worth going for Ceska, as your overall crit will be higher with that slotted in.
e.g. it's more important to hit 60 (50-55 with Coyotes) than an extra bit of CHD..

[strong cave]

^^ this too, depends on the scenario and how you piece things together

[hoary atlas]

pvp/PVE i have one it was Umbra/Striker Hybrid build with Pestilence

[strong cave]

Still don't recommend Umbra ninja bike with striker pieces. It's just a waste of better brand slot bonuses

[hazy steeple]

Ninjabikebag (or as we call it "nbb") is something of a newbie trap.

[strong cave]

A little extra rate of fire, for what? Umbra shoots fast as it is. Pestilence is about 950 RPM or so. That's fast enough already. Swap out striker for Picaros and walker and Harris instead

You'll get more damage with absolutely no armor loss either

[strong cave]

Ninjabike asspack

[hoary atlas]

Im only want matador backpack only replacement ninja

im trying build like The Hunter

[restive vortex]

Can you specify what you mean by that? I’m not sure I understand. Why is going with Ceska better than Grupo, if I’m already capped out at CHC

You can go past the 60% CHC threshold or something?

[subtle bluff]

Are you running all HE pieces?

The idea is that you should be 52-58% CHC then the rest into CHD.

So then less you need to spec into CHC the more you can spec into CHD.

[subtle bluff]

Oh, I see your OP question. Most Striker builds (/Red builds that don't need a specific chest pc) don't use a Striker chest because it's unusable in normal play. So we replaced it with Ceska because it's the most versatile Stat for all guns.

[magic pilot]

A lot of gearsets either don't use the chest or don't use the backpack or neither

So ceska/grupo chest and backpack are really common to see

[stone lark]

I wanna use firewall for my SMG striker setup, but I'm cautious without having that armor on kill from gunner. should I just stick with that, or should I swap out my chestpiece for something that grants armor regen/AoK to use firewall?

[versed summit]

if you can get away without the AOK that's the best option. The firewall shield is very strong. what other pieces are you using?

[stone lark]

Usual strikers setup, coyote's and an obliterate ceska/grupo chest and a chatterbox. there's probably more consistent smg choices but I just like having fun with that one since I don't have DW or ouro atm

[versed summit]

yeah I'd recommend just trying without any AOK, or potentially using HF since chatterbox is already kill reliant anyways.

If you're having issues staying alive, you could optimally swap your chest for a Palisade Steelworks piece, but given how hard it is to find one, I'd just swap coyote's.

[stone lark]

alr, ty

[ocean turtle]

I just got bighorn exotic what's best build for it

[magic pilot]

In pve not using it

[rich cosmos]

The irony in locking a pvp weapon behind the highest difficulty in pve

[dreamy valve]

what is this build trying to do? couldn't understand it

[versed summit]

it's a rifle crit build, it's just not good

[dreamy valve]

oh

[versed summit]

the tac-50 ammo is funny tho lol, I guess that's just one of the inspect bugs

[dreamy valve]

wonder why this player was doing that, I bet they have more efficient setups

[versed summit]

honestly probably not

[rich cosmos]

Once again saying, ninjabag specifically should get the ability to random roll one of the cores to have two of a single core

[rich lotus]

they cant make items have 2x of a single core

that was the issue with picaros

they said they were gonna make it have 2x 15% weapon damage roles

the project lead told us*

till the developers informed us that was impossible

[onyx sage]

just make it have a 30% weapon damage roll

release it as a new named item

[red island]

lmao

[onyx sage]

they'll eat it up

[red island]

imagine having 30% wd on a named item

not even chest/bag

[onyx sage]

hire me massive

[red island]

plz no

massive i beg

let us live in peace

[rich lotus]

no pls massive do not hire this man

[onyx sage]

i will make GOOD in game tutorials to teach the general playerbase how to melee bait

[rich lotus]

throwback to 16.1 bruh 😭

last year almost

[rich cosmos]

Tbf it makes sense why

It having 30% weapon damage isn’t necessarily the greatest idea

[rich lotus]

😠

[onyx sage]

i just want to have giga mmr damage for headhunter

it's for innocuous purposes trust me

[red island]

its called nemesis

[onyx sage]

yeah i want to make nemesis deal more trust

totally not make relic a viable mmr

[red island]

tbf i think nemesis should hit harder

its supposed to obliterate npcs

let my boy do the job

#freenemesis

[magic pilot]

Stop making me feel old

[wise swallow]

I mean the idea itself is good, its more that headshot is just so bad its not even worse using

make headshot builds actually worth using and big horn would be great in pve

[rich cosmos]

I want a headshot gearset designed around ars that gives you massive body and headshot damage increases but makes your recoil worse so you either have to risk having worse recoil or pump more stats into damage

[wise swallow]

I just want headshot to be worth using, shouldnt need a whole ass gearset. Just make it somewhat decent enough that it rewards good aim. Rn you get crit dmg for hitting a tiny target

whos ever gonna use that

[magic pilot]

Every headshot kill grants 50% headshot dmg to any body part

[rich cosmos]

For a limited time, maybe like 5 seconds normally and 10 seconds with a backpack

Maybe longer

Idk I just want more damage gearsets that actually play off damage and not weird gimmicks

Like Im never touching breaking point or whatever the newest one is called

[wise swallow]

just give me a gearset that says +100%dmg

[rich cosmos]

Imagine its only limb damage

[onyx sage]

i want headshots on electronics without having to use determined

[magic pilot]

yea thought the same

[hasty sluice]

😭

[ruby tundra]

Gents, I extracted and swapped the crit hit chance on an SMG, then tried to change the talent on said SMG. It says it cant be recalibrated. Can you only switch one part of the weapon out then you're stuck with it?

[wise swallow]

yes'

[ruby tundra]

Balls

Literally been looking for a tricked out P90 forever and it has some ass talent on it but super high stats. Jacked the crit chance up now im stuck with it. Zamn

[red island]

yes, otherwise you would just change every stat as you like and have the perfect weapon instantly

[ruby tundra]

Yes but...that's what I want 😄

[red island]

dw, p90 is a bad weapon anyway

you'll get another weapon that is good later

also, remember you can optimize every stat, but can change only 1 thing

tho optimizing is costly

[subtle bluff]

You can recalibrate one Attribute or Talent on gear/weapons. Afterward, you can recalibrate that same Attribute or Talent as much as you want.
You can optimize as much as you want on anything. (Cost a lot if you're doing it a lot)

[frigid gyro]

I still don't understand how pestilence works

[rich cosmos]

Shoot and kill enemies

[stone lark]

pestilence applies a DoT debuff, anytime an enemies with the debuff dies it spreads to other nearby enemies

[stone lark]

are there any builds in the dark zone that are more of a deterrent for other players, besides from just being good at fighting them lol

[fair dragon]

I mean, you've got legs, just run away from them

[urban latch]

What do you want to know about it?

[stone lark]

unfortunately they have the tendency to magically teleport to my exact location as soon as i've completed a landmark

i'm looking for something that improves my brave tactical retreat strategies, makes it a hassle to chase me down ig

[hazy steeple]

In the words of Archer: Serpentine!

[stone lark]

🐍

[shy willow]

Idk just use something tanky

[dreamy valve]

6 blue cores, max hazard prot

Always run away but always try to invite other lone players

Unbreakable/adrenaline rush, bulwark shield, defender drone

Try to gang up on the aggressive loners or smaller groups. Try to 4v1 or 8v4 or even 8v1

[strong cave]

In this case, I would recommend running armor Regen builds

Pair it with firewall medkit and everyday carrier and youre set

[stone lark]

any specific brands/gear sets/exotics i should keep an eye out for? for both the builds suggested

[warm thicket]

@stone lark 3pc golen gear, emperor kneepads, everyday Carrier and catharsis, hazpro armor Regen on everything, headshot mods with BIGHORN and a shotty preferably

Adrenaline rush on backpack

Or ninja bike backpack, 1 piece golen gear, 2 piece gilla guard emperor's knee pad and belstone with unbreakable or everyday Carrier

[stone lark]

am I able to use another exotic weapon or pair of knee pads? don't have either sadly

[red island]

you're allowed 1 exotic on gear and 1 on guns, its written on every exotic piece

[stone lark]

oh no i mean alternative options to them lol

[red island]

lot of exotics are viable, check the builds in pinned message for info

[stone lark]

ty

[uncut slate]

@hazy steeple @dien.aka.kim

[red island]

need something ?

[real merlin]

A wee bit late, but DoT and that DoT affects other enemies if they die. That DoT's damage scales based on how much damage you did on a target, meaning how many bullets hit the target. It also refreshes an already existing "plague" DoT on another target if a target dies with the "plague" on them and adds their "plague" level on that new target, to their already stacked "plague"

[red island]

short version : hit enemy => they take damage over time and it spread on kill

[errant orbit]

this is called hearing your gunshots, I did it a ton in the first game, your best bet is like the other lad said toughen up as much as you can and be extremely evasive, the more you stand still or poke around and loot, the more your likely to die, You want to move as fast as the enemy resistence will let you. If they show up right at the end, they've probably been watching you waiting for their chance.

• A former Div1 shitrat just getting properly into Div2

From what I remember of my limited gameplay years ago, hives can be pretty good at deterring someone from following you, but everything that was listed would've countered me well.

[magic pilot]

Regen memento

[slate spoke]

lots of kills with my build

[magic pilot]

Looks like you guys struggled to kill medkits

[vestal ibex]

Step one go to summit and kill thousands of people, step two join an incursion and travel directly to it, step three get crazy after action report. Not saying this incursion but it's just an after action report, they bug all the time and don't show anything but numbers without context.

[rich cosmos]

Kills is never a good thing to go off of anyways

You could have a bad build and still kill things

[onyx sage]

at least they're not showing off damage dealt...

[sullen sun]

Do you guys enjoy laughing?

[tulip charm]

Favorite pastime activity

[sullen sun]

https://youtu.be/zqfHYKgmUMY?si=27d6uuiTXmmnd5ot

Watch this

[tulip charm]

Oh its the god build

Yeah it was hilarious

[subtle bluff]

Saddly I've seen worse try to join me on incursion...

[autumn yacht]

lol that or HB

can’t beat someone with max stacks of it off a landmark no matter what you got

[toxic swallow]

Dingson Protection Pads with 10% Rifle Damage and 30% Accuracy with 11.5% weapon damage (lowering primary damage to 220.3k) or Ibex Kneepads with 30% swap speed, 70% optimal range and 12.9% weapon damage raising the primary to 227.1K?

Does the lower primary damage matter in lieu of the 10% bump in rifle damage?

[kindred mango]

Fox’s prayer

[sweet wind]

What should I be using as a level 9, I'm trying to just shred everything, but also make sure I don't die, what do I need to completely cook everything

[kindred mango]

Literally level 9? Use whatever you find

[solar sable]

Don't focus on what you use until you reach lvl40.

Gear becomes useless as you level up.

[sweet wind]

And how can I level up quickly

[rich cosmos]

Playing the game

Do missions

[hexed steppe]

just use the actual brand when mentioning any gear, named items should use the name itself... most people wont know the listed name of regular items.

example - i can say i got a modular holster with crit stats and hsd bonus,
or i can just say ive got a providence holster with crit rolls.

using the brand to mention lets one instantly know the bonus, and saves everyone time trying to figure out wtf someone is talking about

[red island]

its for lvl40+ players

[autumn yacht]

oh didnt read whoops

[astral elm]

Hi quick question regarding umbra build for Mission (i know it losses out to striker and other dps builds but umbra just fits my playstyle the best)

60% Crit chance + 12% Crit Dmg (Cheska) or 58% Crit Chance and 10% Smg Dmg (Sokolov)
Or 58% Crit chance + 13% Crit dmg (Groupo)

What would be an better option?
4set umbra + momento + Dark winter build for context

[kindred mango]

Multiply total cc x cd and see which option gives you the highest number. I’m guessing the top one with Ceska

[subtle bluff]

Um. For CHC you want to be around 52-58% depending if Coyote is being used or not then the rest into CHD. CHC Cap is 60% and not worth going over.

[astral elm]

yeah with cheska ill be exactly 60%

[subtle bluff]

Then weapon dmg is an additive number vs CHD and HSD and others

[astral elm]

since the 6% crit chance mod is getting replcaed with Crit dmg and getting the 8% Crit from brand set

[subtle bluff]

I gave the answer figure it out.

[astral elm]

so when its the same value Crit dmg/hs should be better

[astral elm]

And yeah this is for purley solo build so no mask sadly

So groupo would be the best

ty

[astral elm]

Yeah doing your formula, Cheska does win it out

and since dmg is addative ima just go with Cheska

[fresh fox]

for smgs sokolov would be better because of how good the crit stats are already

something like that

@magic pilot you remember right

[astral elm]

Sokolov would be +10% dmg but -12% Crit dmg

Since i am still using 1 crit chance mod

i would test them my self but im still new to fully optimize these 3 peices to test their diff

[subtle bluff]

Idk the math but compton is right for Umbra and its buff CHD is a lot I forgot. Maybe fox's or ya WD will net you more dmg.
Honestly try them and see how they work for you. If the uptime on Umbra CHD is good then Something else may do more dmg overall. 😐

[fresh fox]

just go sokolov

from what i remember smg damage is better than crit damage when using smgs

because of great crit

[astral elm]

So i managed to find a triple max roll Groupo and Sokolov Gloves (both Crit Chance + Crit dmg)
and Sokolov is coming out on top with 441742 on Crit (Max Umbra stack+ Killer Active)
vs Groupo 433262 on Crit (Max Umbra stack+ Killer Active)

[dull ermine]

Does protection from elites protect you from feiser?

And does true patriot blue buff reduce damage from feiser?

[fresh fox]

it would yes

[fresh fox]

makes sense

you have so much chd grupo is a very minor increase

[stuck drum]

Best build lefty

[dreamy valve]

Is Sokolov now good? Haven’t used it since 2019

[versed summit]

Depends on the build

[dreamy valve]

What kind of build

[molten thorn]

If you're asking what build is good for lefty, it's a secondary for striker used to build stacks VERY quickly during like incursions

[versed summit]

A DPS build. You just have to weigh it against other options. It can make a lot of sense vs Grupo, and unlike ARs, it’s CHC means it doesn’t pair well with other weapons, so taking a specific weapon damage bonus isn’t a huge deal.

[magic pilot]

Sokolov is stronger

Especially with umbra

[magic pilot]

3rd pair the last day lol

[dreamy valve]

so whats the dps difference if youre using Sokolov, like an extra 100k per shot?

[dull ermine]

You responding to me?

[versed summit]

depends on the build, but it's never going to be that much of an improvement.

[dreamy valve]

all my SMG builds have gearsets, so I guess its better for high end or something

[versed summit]

it's going to be better for both generally.

[fresh fox]

is anyone else talking 🤔

but yea i am

[magic pilot]

its better on any smg build

full red striker build with 27 expertise, soko over grupo

[restive vortex]

Thoughts on this build? I feel like there are a lot of things to improve

[magic pilot]

whats your chc/chd with your watch level?

oh wait, i see

chc on f2k

[restive vortex]

Im thinking of maybe replacing palisades for something else since I have gunner

[magic pilot]

change that to dtooc and drop the fox or contractors for ceska

[restive vortex]

around 40, but with the wep mods im capped

[magic pilot]

you have coyotes?

[restive vortex]

yea

im trying to make a high end all rounder dps build w/ some survivability

[dreamy reef]

What site is that

[restive vortex]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/KwNgtAzGBMNwDGRjzKet8Bc0CccoBGOYADnQgDopMM7sJFYi4AWV9V6+n5LV4oQ4tao3khzACYYmLn0cHQlFiyeqcX0KqZiKYgjgA7PlFYQgyMSnRErRKX0L5L81hcZ3mjEA

[magic pilot]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXGAnOFDIQKwAcWYEmNOkqE0sIccWtHK2cowbT7QZwy4ShAcKHtsFRsVptJNbMHggxFVJCQB2JB2xKpyQ8ePYEpoyesogA

i changed the values to match this patch since the site isnt updated

[restive vortex]

That looks pretty good

[magic pilot]

idk what your watch level is at, so i set it to 0. you can adjust the gear/mods accordingly

[restive vortex]

Its around 180 rn, just focusing on crit chance and total armor first

[magic pilot]

crit chance, hazpro, reload speed, skill haste is what i would go for first

[restive vortex]

really? is hazpro that strong

[magic pilot]

id say its worth speccing first, it can save your ass. armor is good too

[restive vortex]

also thanks for that build u sent me, ill probably get like one or two armor cores tho, I have around the same armor as ur build and im getting shredded

[magic pilot]

its probably a playstyle thing

do you know how to pvp peek?

[restive vortex]

nah

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/tLopWe9NfF0?si=R8yh1ZpRyLQLXeKA

"learning this one trick will change your whole experience in division 2!"

[tulip charm]

Dien pls delete

We got to gatekeep this one trick

[magic pilot]

div 2 is gonna have way too many goats running around

[tulip charm]

yeah

[onyx sage]

oh hey 500 subs now

time to celebrate

[restive vortex]

oh wow lol why didnt i think of doing this before

[red island]

pog 500 subs

u getting famous

soon recruted by massive

[onyx sage]

i've cooked so many ideas for them before, hire me massive

[red island]

and you're better than 99.99% youtubers out there

[dreamy valve]

These are the 2 build that have SMGs on them from my loadouts

Im using Ceska for the first one for the Hazard protection, and the second one, im using improvised for the extra slot of PFE

[magic pilot]

well.... soko is better than grupo i mean

but you have no grupo so its fine

[dreamy valve]

oh

[magic pilot]

its not make or break its just between the 2 soko is better

[astral elm]

So i managed to find a triple max roll Groupo and Sokolov Gloves (both Crit Chance + Crit dmg)
and Sokolov is coming out on top with 441742 on Crit (Max Umbra stack+ Killer Active)
vs Groupo 433262 on Crit (Max Umbra stack+ Killer Active)

This is with Umbra Momento Sokolov/Groupo + Smg Build

[dreamy valve]

so an extra 8k damage per shot on average

[astral elm]

Exact same stat and build stayed exactly the same

[astral elm]

yeah not much diff but still when built up over the entire mission prob enough to see a diff in final result

[dreamy valve]

the damage does add up a bit more due to the nature of the weapon over the course of a run, I would say there is not much downside to using Sokolov if builds are exactly the same and you have both maxed out

[magic pilot]

normally i would say to run grupo so your secondary is buffed too

[astral elm]

yeah i think for this case with umbra + Killer SMG
just those 2 being active is already 190% Crit dmg + what ever you have inate from gear
so we are hitting the point of dimiishing return but

i guess for striker build with more boost on Weapon DMG The Groupo will win

[magic pilot]

but usually when i run smg i dont use another gun at all

[dreamy valve]

I'm assuming this because of the nerf to Grupo's Crit damage with the TU patch

that Sokolov now is a better choice

[magic pilot]

before it was the same too

[dreamy valve]

oh really

[magic pilot]

my incursion tanker build is ouro with ceska/soko

[dreamy valve]

strange that this channel has not recommended Sokolov pieces for smg builds since ive been here

until recently

Its usually Grupo/Ceska but never direct weapon damage bonuses

[magic pilot]

i usually do, but honestly if they already have grupo i wont say to switch

its so close to being the same

[fresh fox]

foxes/contractors bro..

idk if those are better i’d assume they are though

[magic pilot]

Don't think so

Unless you have mid coyotes buff maybe

[subtle bluff]

Tanker best DPS with Ouro/SMG w/+10 CHC is Ceska and Foxes. (At least by the math)

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gKMZc0MVrYIkPU6OpMITn0OEtMEfKExh-XgDcrR74FQ/edit?gid=0#gid=0

im getting different results

unless i did something wrong (very high chance)

[subtle bluff]

Let me try

[versed summit]

Tbf you could probably get better number from fox’s by hitting max CHC. Should be a better ratio

I don’t think it’ll beat Sokolov tho

[subtle bluff]

I'm not exp 27 on ouro but you're right avg bullet Sokolov 607,093 Foxes 613,585

[subtle bluff]

Your right. Entered that in too.

[subtle bluff]

We also don't use ouro in tanker anymore for speeds.

[versed summit]

He’s right but fox’s is more?

[magic pilot]

backfire ik

[subtle bluff]

So with taking a CHD out for CHC to max out with foxs I'm getting 610,134

[versed summit]

How are you calculating it?

[subtle bluff]

That's the stats
WD+SWD CHD CHC AMP DTTOOC
153 151.0 60.0 180 18
163 163.0 60.0 180 10

[fresh fox]

contractors

bottom left uses foxes

top right on centurions i think?

ive heard it was very good up there

[versed summit]

Looks like fox’s is still worse

[subtle bluff]

Ya fox's is worse.

Try Contractor compton is right

[versed summit]

Slightly better, but applies less

[subtle bluff]

Contractor is for bot left I think.

Yea these are min max

[versed summit]

Tbh it wouldn’t be good enough in practice for the extra lil bit to be worth it.

Does backfire have extra CHC over ouro?

[subtle bluff]

Yes 5 more

[fresh fox]

coyotes + ceska

wait thats right

[subtle bluff]

Lol ya

[fresh fox]

no bot left is on foxes for chunga damage

[magic pilot]

backfire runs fox/ceska ?

[fresh fox]

because a lot of chungas down there

[magic pilot]

ik some people are running fox/eagles for backfire

[fresh fox]

do not listen

unless im missing some hidden tech

[sullen sun]

What do you guys think about Foundry with the Chameleon? I’m hearing it’s actually not bad?

[urban latch]

Why contractors on bottom left? They are mainly hitting chungas anyways, contractors is like least important there

[fresh fox]

thats what im sayin!

hollowman instead guys.

[subtle bluff]

For the one you have to do up front.

[urban latch]

Foxes/contractors is best for damage, but we've settled on foxes/[whatever the +15% mag] for tanker

[subtle bluff]

ya that's what we're doing too

[fresh fox]

seems ive missed a bit

[magic pilot]

eagles

[fresh fox]

any good times with new stuff posted yet?

im curious

[magic pilot]

I'm sure some good times have been achieved but I haven't seen any videos since no new WR

[fresh fox]

exactly.. #keepbackfireoutofincursion...

[dreamy valve]

What’s so special about Catharsis? Seems to be a popular pick everywhere

Let me know why it’s justified over Memento

[versed summit]

Only really good for PvP.

[dreamy valve]

Why isn't he using Chainkiller with Determined?

He said this is his top sniper build

[fresh fox]

he doesnt like determined

and he doesnt value perfect chainkiller over some better first shot damage

im not sure why he does use 2pc habs but thats ok

he shows a different build for determined anyways

[onyx sage]

one of us

[urban latch]

The habs chest is so overrated...

[fresh fox]

its true

2pc habs + chain is cool and awesome

[subtle bluff]

This would net the highest cold shot and probably for the rest of the shots.

[dreamy valve]

i see

[subtle bluff]

now is it playable/usable for the general public is a very different story

[urban latch]

The difference with the hsd brands is so small, and the damage with 1 shot of stacks with weapon damage can make a difference

[subtle bluff]

I neveer tried throwing foxs into 3 Hotshot setup.

[fresh fox]

that’s goat shit don’t diss

[magic pilot]

Fox in the 3 hotshot setup actually good

[urban latch]

You need to do more IH lol

[subtle bluff]

SHHHHHHHHHHH

[fresh fox]

i don’t run the 3pc setup anymore but we ignore that guys

[magic pilot]

What the heck does this guy run chat

1886 break point probably

[hazy steeple]

I think people usually use "bull" there.

[fresh fox]

nope

[fresh fox]

2pc douglas

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwBgtMDsEwzG5EOU1CBcwBMYAsNgx4tC0yUNcdD9CA2CEc5ldXADj2VIpbLYCcXcDz69WWWvFrixqdJHjhYAVjAD4AhgPwC1-ObMwhoh+cHRnLs3kA

ok my bad it has 5% more hsd

not 10

vs this

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwTgtAjGAMlgzDJsXLSgXAJnFYdEBWADnTNU2CznygDZJoLzyNhSpZOXne3ck3Xj2TZaiKEJHDoGAOyJY8QmBCIQDEPhAq+M6RgjQ501hAz6KF09CA

[magic pilot]

Why pfe mod

[fresh fox]

i’m big noobie and i die to the electricity :(

if you want to do like a catharsis/ad rush bag swap instead you can though

instead of the pfe mod

[magic pilot]

Ahh gotcha

[urban latch]

Full faraday

[rich lotus]

He didn’t want to be Ronin 2.0 and die in the water 🥹

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[fresh fox]

man i love lying.

[gritty timber]

Best dps back talent for HB?

Vigi?

[fresh fox]

vigi

[urban latch]

Which is weird because he's great at staying up on fieser

[strong cave]

@round zinc

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXMAnOFDIWKJuVubhBNLFGZU1XKMHEYxd89gbcR5DK2MB2DQ6zad2wB2EOORsaSOKgAcAVl5wOO1MFVQkcgrLF0dSHcA0gEoDfdlbswqh-RA

This is my spotter setup I run over striker. Does more damage

[round zinc]

i was expecting a pic but this works too ig

[strong cave]

Currently not on

[round zinc]

you use the exact same weapon on your standard striker build too right

[strong cave]

The numbers are from the old update so it'll be slightly off

[subtle bluff]

Low CHC

[strong cave]

My standard striker is usually st Elmo's or eagle bearer. Occasionally I will use the AKM with strained in raids where you don't wanna shock the boss

[round zinc]

i see the problem here
you're using a different weapon on different builds so it cant be a fair comparison
besides you haven't taken into account the dps

[strong cave]

I've done tests with striker and spotter using an AKM and I found using spotter is just more consistent

[round zinc]

you see your shots hitting 1.3mil but on what RPM, whats the reload downtime

[strong cave]

I don't have to recollect my stacks every time I advance to the next objective

[subtle bluff]

Your gonna lose out on CHC for your weapon for laser pointer

[wary stag]

You guys have it too ?

[strong cave]

It's spotter. Technician LLP is a must

[subtle bluff]

Yes everyone does

I know but why not obli?

[strong cave]

Flatline is amp damage

Oblit is multiplicative weapon damage

[wary stag]

Does it have custom stats or just borrows stats from a different weapon?

[subtle bluff]

SO? TWD you don't have any other TWD.

The amp only means so much if you have other things stack into it's same pull

[strong cave]

I'm guessing you've never run a spotter build before?

[subtle bluff]

It's gun is the P416. has more base dmg

[subtle bluff]

I use to a lot.

[wary stag]

Gotcha,thanks!

[strong cave]

Can't have spotter if you're taking obliterate lmao that's the point of it being a spotter build

[versed summit]

no it's m4 with more base, P416 has a different reload

[subtle bluff]

nvm. I see

[strong cave]

These people have no clue 😂😂

[versed summit]

that spotter build is only better in short engagements, a typical striker build will catch up very quickly

[subtle bluff]

Like with in 12 shots

[subtle bluff]

I have a lot of ideas.

[strong cave]

At max stacks, absolutely right. I prefer spotter > striker for my preference because not dealing with stacks is just nice. All I gotta do is point and click and damage is there instantly

[subtle bluff]

No within a mag Strikers will do more dmg.

[versed summit]

yeah that's relevant, don't go saying it does more damage than striker without any supporting context though

[subtle bluff]

I was getting there. BLeh

[strong cave]

Spotter more damage from the start, Striker best sustained

That's my context

[subtle bluff]

HE builds were great at IH and super quick engagements.
So the big thing with Strikers is it has ROF on it.

But yes in Mag a HE build will good a mag dmg but Striker DPS will ramp past it very very quckly afterwards.

[round zinc]

i think the problem here is that its an unfair comparison when you use 2 different weapons for each build

[strong cave]

You're definitely right. Striker has and always will be the best DPS gear set in the game

[subtle bluff]

Yes. Now do I use it all the time in PvE no. For me Incursions and Raid outside of that I use different stuff.

[versed summit]

that's not really a huge issue here tbh, it's not like we're comparing per shot damage

[round zinc]

that too

[strong cave]

I don't touch striker anymore because it's just too overused for me. Would be all I'd run because it's just that reliable

I'll have to run some tests bc now talking about spotter and striker.... I wonder if I could somehow make a spotter striker build????

[subtle bluff]

OD is really good if you want something different that does what you want

[round zinc]

posting for future reference
right:f2k recoil
middle:lexington
left:elmo
no recoil control,just holding down left mouse while on sharpshooter(15% handling) and max shd

[versed summit]

yes, it's just mid

[strong cave]

Ig just change oblit to spotter and run more CHC than chd for the lost of mods

[subtle bluff]

With this Lexington it should be really good.

[strong cave]

Fingers crossed

[low widget]

You definitely can chief 😁

[subtle bluff]

I really like OD for that HE no ramp idea

Spotter I mainly did it with HB since they both use pulse

[strong cave]

I started using that more often too with Iron Lung. All crit and weapon damage. It's nasty

[subtle bluff]

I mean if you're really about spotter use Kingbreaker. Even those it's really slow now.

I'm not a fan of Iron Lung

[versed summit]

spotter on HB is a waste of the HB chest IMO

[subtle bluff]

Why not use Sadist with OD

[strong cave]

Devs touched King breaker way too much. It's just... 🤷 Now

[subtle bluff]

AGREED. Just saying for him

[versed summit]

it's kinda fye if you can get past the handling.

[strong cave]

Nah spotter on HB is just a waste. The chest gives so much more damage than a spotter chest

[subtle bluff]

OD Chest 50% amp and Sadist 30% amp

[strong cave]

I chose Iron Lung because setting people on fire is a guilty pleasure 😂😂

[versed summit]

the sustain on kingbreaker and the prefect talent make it level with everything on burst and it blows everything out of the water on sustain

[subtle bluff]

PvP Iron Lung sure.

Setting everything on fire EP is still fun to watch.

[strong cave]

Weirdly enough, I found that King breaker does less damage on my spotter build than the AKM

But I know you'll wanna pair King with Closer chest

[versed summit]

skill issue

[strong cave]

I haven't come across my double crit closer yet 😭 maybe one day

[versed summit]

I think I have a mac rolled one lol

it's kinda mid tho

[subtle bluff]

Stats wise is the reason I don't use Closer anymore.

[strong cave]

SHUSH 😂

[subtle bluff]

I have 2 saved on a mule.

[strong cave]

Y'all are just damn lucky sheesh

[subtle bluff]

Did too much CD back in the days

[versed summit]

what I'd really like is a dtooc white death and smg-9

[strong cave]

I've crafted thousands of pieces and just cannot get the damn thing to drop double crit

[strong cave]

I had like 3 of those MMRs rolled to that with determined

During resolve they made it obsolete though

[subtle bluff]

Some stuff I've had really good luck at. Took 32 runs to get ouro then I got elmo after I got ouro a week later.

[strong cave]

fk off 😭😭😭😭

[subtle bluff]

The one I used is gone.

[strong cave]

BRUHHHHH

Y'all are evil

[versed summit]

haven't even bothered with it tbh

[subtle bluff]

It's in mule with the rest of random stuff

I need to clear out my shit..

[versed summit]

ye

[subtle bluff]

LOL WTF IS THIS in here

[versed summit]

crit headhunter pistol build when

[strong cave]

Definitely keep that piece for a crit regulus build

Roll to unbreakable or glass cannon

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[subtle bluff]

your joking right?

[strong cave]

Reroll that St Elmo's to dttoc. As for which gun is better, depends on your build. Skill or hybrid builds will favor the capacitor over St Elmo's. Weapon based builds will favor st Elmo's

[strong cave]

I'm actually not. Crit regulus in PvP is absolutely broken

[subtle bluff]

I don't PvP a lot when I do I'm the yellow guy with a shield and a booms booms

[barren ferry]

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[strong cave]

You can just reroll at the crafting station after buying the blueprint from Inaya at the Base of Ops

[barren ferry]

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[strong cave]

I touch all content in this game. Basically the only reason why I play it anymore is bc I live 24/7 in the dark zone

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[strong cave]

What kinda build you running?

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[strong cave]

Ditch picaro's, take ceska

[barren ferry]

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[strong cave]

Are you running striker chest piece?

[barren ferry]

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[strong cave]

Ditch the chest piece

Replace picaro with striker holster, replace striker chest with Ceska. Attributes Crit chance and crit damage. Use obliterate talent

[barren ferry]

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[strong cave]

Pretty easy. Should give you more crit chance on your build so you can stack more crit damage

[barren ferry]

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[strong cave]

If I were to run a striker tank build I'd just run it with 4 blues and 3 reds

[barren ferry]

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[subtle bluff]

Just go HB with this new AR IMO

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[strong cave]

Considering I'm gonna check out this Lexington here eventually after work, might try that

[subtle bluff]

my HB is all HSD that's how I make up my DMG

[strong cave]

What's fun is doing damage, being partially tanky, and fully haz pro

[strong cave]

Mines all crit with LLP

[subtle bluff]

LLP?

[strong cave]

Only one that doesn't utilize tech is my Eagle breaker build

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