td2-build-advice

[hexed steppe]

you got borked explosive sticky, discard

emp sticky really usfull for invaded stuff even with dps

[onyx sage]

emp sticky also has lowest cd

but that's because it's non-lethal to humans

[hexed steppe]

and double proc, right?

[onyx sage]

yeah like burn

[hexed steppe]

i just load it up when i know there gonna be warhounds on a mission

[rich cosmos]

Honestly, I would love an exotic that just boosts one of your skills to max skill tier

Because so many skills just suck on the lowest version

[onyx sage]

do you want an exotic that does that to both your skills on a 15s cooldown?

oop 60s i mean, 15s duration

[hexed steppe]

this is the cc version i use. only for countdown tho since status immune. as a standard cc all the blue rolls would be status mask eletrique or hanna

[onyx sage]

cuz that exists kek

[onyx sage]

you can use this in legendary too. unironically having too much foam duration can backfire

[rich cosmos]

? Looking through exotics rn

[onyx sage]

acosta go bag

[junior surge]

acostas only gives one skill tier

[onyx sage]

shit i forgot

[rich cosmos]

Yea

[hexed steppe]

yeah im sure you could. you would just dial it in. im already all haste but still have an 11sec foam

[junior surge]

And btsu has 120 sec cd

[onyx sage]

i only remember btsu and thought everything else is as good

[rich cosmos]

Ngl if Acosta’s was a triple core exotic I would probably use it a lot

[onyx sage]

fr

don't even need the attributes

[rich cosmos]

Actually yeah it should be, its entire gimmick is being a grab bag of everything

[onyx sage]

it'll be reduced quite a bit due to hazpro on legendary npcs

but it's useful in emp areas

[hexed steppe]

Oh yeah, probably real short duration then

[onyx sage]

that's not a bad thing per se, just keep that in mind

sometimes a npc that's foamed too long will shoot you

whereas their "getting out of foam" animation means they can't shoot

[rich cosmos]

Is there a good suggestion for a status/damage build

Probably just eclipse?

[patent fossil]

Yup

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[rich lotus]

Real chads use rigger and a shock trap

Those who know 👀

[rich cosmos]

Is burn duration from fire starter better than the skill tier from tech

[fresh fox]

yea

[fallow trail]

If you have 6 yellow cores the added core from tech is useless. But burn duration and the taclink dmg do us is useful. If you want run 1 blue core or 1 red core then use Tech to get your 6th yellow.

[rich cosmos]

Not using 6 cores

Messing around with build ideas rn

[fresh fox]

this can’t be good 😰

[red island]

wym backfire ?

[magic pilot]

^ @red island

[red island]

oh ok

not great

[hexed steppe]

If team based use survivalist. Team gets an amp against statused npc, fire nade is really good for procing sledgehammer,

You can go the wtf route and run memento on fire eclipse .
Skill Buckets™️
30-60% skill damage.
30-60% status effects.
60% skill damage from capacitor.
65ish% status effects from set and attributes.

Double dipping at its finest... 👀

Dont actually do this unless you want a very active eclipse that only comes close to standard version damage wise.

[silver lark]

so I'm trying to craft a build that can get a level 6 bulwark while still being able to hit certain damage breakpoints, how can I boost the damage of this further without expertise? it's hitting 21.7M with The White Death currently but I need it to hit 25-26M to oneshot 4man legendary elites if that's even possible

[magic pilot]

Lose the backpack

[onyx sage]

the best way right off the bat is swap ninjabike for vigilance

[red island]

yeah ninja is almost always bad

[onyx sage]

then you could squeeze in a few more armor cores

[magic pilot]

I don't think you can hit enough for 4 man leg with ninja and tier 6 shield

[onyx sage]

also not sure why you want a t6 shield without using the pistol to also headhunt

unless you just want to use the shield to look pretty for a few secs in front of a minitank

[magic pilot]

If you need more survivability I'd just run some aok with gunner and/or palisade

[red island]

or even use the full hotshot talent

for heal/bonus armor

[silver lark]

that's the idea basically but I'll look into alternatives, thank you all for the suggestions

[onyx sage]

i want to examine why you want to use bulwark in the first place tho. swapping to it at all means you lose basically all of your hh stack you've built before that (because tdi kard custom's base damage is absurdly low and hh bonus caps to your current weapon's base), and there are other ways to survive without using a shield.

if you mean to use a shield to reposition, it's simply better to just use cover to cover

[silver lark]

that's true, I guess I just wanted something I could use as a pseudo panic button (and to meme)

[silver lark]

the main problem with the build is that it suffers greatly in close range, my other variant of it uses Liberty so bulwark headshots are more viable but it loses out on Nemesis

[onyx sage]

somewhere has to give. if you want to be versatile in all ranges you should be using a high end non-hotshot hh, and use shotgun+mmr+regulus

[silver lark]

damn, no regulus yet

[onyx sage]

if you want to be super-duper strong in close range then use hunter's fury

[astral elm]

what build do yall run with the Ravonus?

[onyx sage]

if you want to be mainly sniping (you can snipe in close range too but you have to use mmr) then go all-in on hotshot

[silver lark]

how would I go about building a high-end only build/what advantages does it have? I usually just stick to green gear

[onyx sage]

high end gives you generic bonuses to all your weapons

there's a guide in the pinned sheet for headhunter regulus, the high end build there is what i mean

if you don't have regulus just use a magnum with a talent you want, like determined, salvage, optimist, etc.

liberty got nerfed hard due to d50 nerf

oh yeah shotgun should be m870 with either pummel or brazen

[tulip charm]

Only purpose the gun has is raid oneshots and breaking chungus and dogs armor plates

[warm knot]

Ok, now that's something. Fortunately tomorrow is a holiday, gotta spend all day trying it in legendary

I totally forgot about the seeker, seems like it has a higher burn duration idk.

[red island]

i mean its on easy difficulty

[hexed steppe]

I think the aurburst is the strongest burn but also inconsistent.

[warm knot]

Oh yes, i forgot to change it. But afaik it only changes the amount of elite/veteran enemies. Still killed an elite with 1 shot.

[onyx sage]

it changes the health and armor of them so...

[hexed steppe]

Fire sticky is 😍 since you can instant use and tag stuff even around corners as long as you could see them when you deployed

[warm knot]

Still killed a named with 1 shot 🫵🥲

[onyx sage]

doesn't mean anything

legendary npcs also have hazpro

test in legendary and come back

[warm knot]

Yeah, as I said. I gotta try it tomorrow.

[hexed steppe]

I will say fire does fall off after heroic and cc is king after that.but then it's all team based

Wouldnt solo a cc build

[red island]

on easy xd

[warm knot]

I think it only affects that specific area, right? I'm in heroic. Anyways, I still have to try it in legendary.

[red island]

if you didnt touch the button, all the sides are on easy

[vestal ibex]

Well it wasn't 1 shot...

[red island]

and it didnt die xd

[vestal ibex]

We'd have to see your range diff across the hall and no idea if that target has previous damage done.

Shooting range is just a big dumb test ground that a ton of things don't work correctly in while not being a practical test ground.

[warm knot]

I wish I was at home rn to try different things. Gotta have to wait for tomorrow.

[warm knot]

Yeah it died once but I think it might've caught fire at least twice.

[vestal ibex]

I mean taking the advice of people who have tested and used these builds is good too.

[warm knot]

I didn't noticed it before

[vestal ibex]

Well fyi kill status transfers are weaker.

[warm knot]

Iirc its the same damage but it halves the duration. I cant confirm that

[vestal ibex]

Depends on the build. Shorter is weaker.

[warm knot]

Oh I get you.

[vestal ibex]

Am I seeing 100k ticks in that vid? I'm on mobile it's hard to see?

[warm knot]

About 377~400k and vile.

[vestal ibex]

That isn't very strong...

[warm knot]

I couldn't record from screen cuz I was in a hurry.

[red island]

its on easy....

a strong build would just oneshot everything on sight here

[vestal ibex]

Easy is just the veteran count on the left thingy

[warm knot]

How many times have I said I'm not expecting it to be like this in legendary? And I haven't tried it in legendary yet?

[red island]

its also the hp/armor ?

[vestal ibex]

No? It'll just have more purples/yellows as you go up in diff.

[red island]

ah ok

[vestal ibex]

Regardless there is a range diff and a world diff. You are taking a trust me bro that they didn't lower the range diff.

[red island]

oh yeah, i forgot its the left side

i didnt use the shooting range in years

i almost forgot how it works

[vestal ibex]

Example of what I'm talking about.

[hoary torrent]

What should i update/upgrade on this built

[vestal ibex]

I honestly have no idea what this builds goal is so it's hard to suggest.

[red island]

i'd suggest upgrading your phone or your pc settings xd

cause i cant even see anything

just take a screenshot

[vestal ibex]

Bit of general advice is don't use gear set items without unlocking the 4th piece bonus(hotshot being an exception).

[red island]

yeah and true patriot isnt great

[hoary torrent]

I mean I am rocking a lmg build and it's pretty good untill DZ

[vestal ibex]

Define "pretty good" for us.

[red island]

also pretty good would be striker

not patriot

[warm knot]

I mean, the fireworks effects are cool

[vestal ibex]

What fireworks?

It's 3 pc.

[red island]

he doesnt even have them lol

[vestal ibex]

Regardless pretty good doesn't mean anything. Are you at least playing on heroic solo? Few directives?

[hoary torrent]

I almost soloed the legendary Roosevelt island

[red island]

i doubt it

[onyx sage]

okay but you didn't get through it

[vestal ibex]

How long did that attempt take?

[red island]

how do you struggle in dz but not legendary

[onyx sage]

so why you didn't get through it needs examination

[hoary torrent]

I suck at pvp

[onyx sage]

sometimes it's a problem with the build, most of the time it's a problem with skill

[vestal ibex]

Just an FYI people have done legendary with grey gear...

[onyx sage]

^

[warm knot]

Yeah I was referring to this lol. I'm jk.

[vestal ibex]

Ya know level 1 gear you start with.

[red island]

im not sure i want to see how they done that xd

sounds painful

[vestal ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T_Wt4f3s9A

[red island]

ah still normal guns

[onyx sage]

having almost 0 armor sucks

[red island]

yeah i bet

tho, you still have the anti oneshot emchanic

[onyx sage]

yeah

[red island]

considering legendary npc dps, thats basically the same as having 6 red cores 0 blue cores

when tanking

you sacrifice your entire dps tho

[vestal ibex]

It's "pretty good" tho. Regardless @hoary torrent use these build guides, they are still pretty much up to date.

I'd read the build guide from top to bottom and ask if you don't understand later.

PVP Guide if you really want to get into PVP.

[hoary torrent]

Thx I will try to get these sets and try them

[magic pilot]

Im here too if you want a pvp build not on the guide

[red island]

2h30 lmao i knew it would be a pain

[vestal ibex]

ADD THEM HOMIE

[vestal ibex]

Yeah well for most people doing it is enough to call a build good. All other metrics of measuring a good build be damned.

[magic pilot]

I'm waiting for build hub to get updated so I can update the guide once I can figure out how pieces shifted

And I need to compare Aug to f2k

[vestal ibex]

do et

[hasty sluice]

the idea was to pyro + ep backpack to boost dmg to targets with fire.
killing them to spread it so it would cc. the idea was to hopefully get 3 kills with pyro to be able to restart the chain. iron lung is on there just cause fire proc.

I didnt care about how much the status did just that it was on somebody & lasted

but even with firewall + exuro + ep 15% status+ status from gear. it just doesnt last as long as I need

nor does it do the dps to sustain it lol

[hexed steppe]

That's what I mean by sub optimal.
You are focusing on using the talent to reproc fire, where if it was just build in a traditional way, fire status would kill and spread. You could still use pyro but the damage would come from the status and the gun would supplement, not the other way around

[hasty sluice]

I know I was just trying to make a red ep for unknown reasons

[hexed steppe]

I've thought of doing the same for backfire in the past to take advantage of the hazpro.

Now something like od where you're bleed focused, team buffing, and unlimited bleed ammo would fit much better even if its bleed instead of fire 🤔

Sadist weapon and boom

[hasty sluice]

i do have a lmg od setup with carnage and bullet king its funny

[hexed steppe]

You're buffed, much stronger that way

[hasty sluice]

this is viable for testing with st elmos right?

[red island]

its better to have dta and dttooc

like lmg/shotgun

[hasty sluice]

I dont need it optimal i just need it viable

[ruby tundra]

Gents may I post a build here for you to flame?

[hasty sluice]

any builds are fine

[red island]

the only bad build is the builds you dont like

[hasty sluice]

I made this fever dream of a build afew days ago

[red island]

yeah i'd suggest you dont use that in dz xd

take a blue striker build imo

[ruby tundra]

This what I'm rocking atm. MDR with Ranger, Aces set. Ninjas to compensate for the pump action and low mag capacity of the MDR. Im rocking the Lavoiser (???) backpack which gives me extra armour if I blind/ensnare an opponent hence the Firefly. I started using the Jammer because I kept getting annoyed by AI abilities and reviving each other and such. Its a headshot damage build primarily. Shotgun is "Like Glue".

[cunning solstice]

meta assault rifle build advice needed if someone can dm to help me im a returning player havent touched since 2 months after new york dlc release

[hasty sluice]

its not for dz. its for summit melee kills lol

[ruby tundra]

Oh and pistol is Mozambique Special

[red island]

yeah, i'd say use striker with blue cores instead

its much more tanky and you'll have dps

[red island]

then its fine i guess

[ruby tundra]

Wots dat? Blue cores, do you mean like sets that add extra armour such as Gila Guard Golan tactical etc?

[red island]

no i mean the core stat

like when you get a striker piece, its a red core, up to 15% weapon damage

[hasty sluice]

if any changes to make id say ditch the backpack. since it gives you armor based off your armor. and you dont have much armor.

[red island]

just look a tbuilds in pinned message

you'll find anything you need there

[ruby tundra]

Oh i get you. Yeah the backpack I guess I just got fond of running it

Tbh its mostly PvE because I barely ever run into players in the DZ.

[red island]

yeah but you still have no armor and waste 1 skill tier

[hasty sluice]

legitimately I would say using the new vigil backpack wouldnt be that bad since I assume you use shotgun for close range

[ruby tundra]

Shotgun is just my panic button lol, or close with the Ninja pads for extra armour and try to rock someones sh

[ruby tundra]

Ill check it out I dont think ive found one yet

But appreciate the advice, I know i am kind of light on armour so the idea was just to output as much damage as possible with headshots and use Lavoiser and Ninja pads to pad my armour values a bit as I close

[hasty sluice]

alternatively you could use the badger brand set backpack and throw unstopable on it. so you get 1 blue core and killing stuff gets you more dmg

[ruby tundra]

Ive some 5.11 backpacks with decent talents i could try to buff my armour values a bit. Versatile I feel forces you to use two weapons which do the exact same job which as a solo isnt the best strat for me i think

[feral hemlock]

Guys can anyone help, i need build for Lost Paradise, healer/tank.

[warm knot]

This build makes no sense to me... I mean, why using the ninja? Even 3 brazos would be better for mag capacity I'd say. What's that, a rifle or shotgun build?

For what content?

[ruby tundra]

I was mostly just playing the main story, now its endgame so im getting into the DZ more. So Im just running solo DZ raids using primarily the rifle and focusing on headshot damage and then my panic button is the shotgun for close range. i was previous to that using an MPX. The Ninja, idk i knew i was lightly armoured so my idea was to make up for that with bonus armour from Lavoiser and Ninja. Hence heavy use of flashbangs, firefly etc. The low mag capacity would be made up for by the Ninja :)

But yeah world of difference now that Im using blue stack gear a stray breeze no longer kills me instantly I've been able to go landmark to landmark clearing em out and taking DZ drops too. Thnx guys :)

[red island]

check pinned message

[feral hemlock]

ty

[green gale]

Is the gift in the general look pool

[rich cosmos]

No

Gift is NOT the holiday bag right?

Is so then its a pvp related drop, so farm named caches

[kindred mango]

Festive Delivery

[fresh fox]

hes shd 37 give him a break lol

[warm knot]

Sorry if I sound mean, I just wanted to know their goal. Just tryna get more info on that so we can help them.

[fresh fox]

yea no worries lol

just seemed a bit harsh

[rich lotus]

make me

[fresh fox]

wtf....

[kindred mango]

Ninjabike ain’t bad if you don’t have decked out brand or gear sets but I’d try to get a Memento

Magneto backpack is so good 😉

[rich lotus]

Thank you for this advice comrade 🫡

[rich cosmos]

Ninjabike kneepads

Not referring to the backpack

[kindred mango]

Oops those ain’t so hot

[hazy steeple]

Yeah the NBB (ninja bag, to its friends) is kind of a newb trap on its own.

[keen meteor]

who needs a backpack talent anyways?

just take these extra percent bonuses!

[rich cosmos]

A lot of people actually

[hazy steeple]

It was sarcasm.

for the record: backpack talents are some of the strongest damage sources we have, or utility in the case of Memento.
Even in a group, Memento is actually quite a good choice, as the long buff is not half bad on its own.

[rich cosmos]

“It was sarcasm”

• explains it anyways

[round zinc]

sarcastically explains everything in a factual way

sarcastically of course

[hazy steeple]

Desk's comment was sarcasm, mine was explained because newbies read this channel too.

[rich cosmos]

Lmao warned me after I left the convo

[spark valley]

Bighorn and capacitor are good for PVP, St elmos is still good for pve, so is carbine 7 and m4

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12vzrBI53INNVcKx25ILuvwIgJDg2xUvOO_IA0uctlwE/edit?gid=0#gid=0

here's the numbers, if you want higher burst you generally trade it for lower sustain, but the carbine 7 is sorta middle of the road for both with good handling

[tulip charm]

Well ARs are balanced across the board so just pick your favorite and the type of build you’re going for

[spark valley]

pretty much yeah

carbine 7 just a recommendation for general stats (also personal preference) but it's pretty hard to go wrong

[green gale]

I mean the providence named back pack

Perfect vid

[lament viper]

What build is good for a new player

[solar sable]

Striker's
Check the 📌 Spreadsheet here

Striker's is basically the key to everything PvE wise

[lament viper]

Okay what is the best build to help with need players

[solar sable]

The guide has everything you need to know

[lament viper]

Okay

[hasty sluice]

I find it so funny. divsion 1 whats a good build > strikers
divsion 2 whats a good build > strikers.
its just strikers all the way down

atleast cassys dont exist

[shy willow]

For a little while it wasn't strikers in div2

Then it was

[tawdry flare]

Isn't Gate strat banned yet

[split bough]

anyone got a DPS build?

[red island]

check pinned message spreadsheet

[split bough]

thnx

[patent fossil]

Lots of builds in the spreadsheet, the top dps options at the moment are Striker, Ongoing Directive, and Negotiators

[warm knot]

OD is cool to run. I'm still not sure which weapon is the best to use. Rn I'm using the ACR-E

[patent fossil]

pretty much any weapon with sadist will do well, although larger mag ones will benefit more

[warm knot]

Yeah I pick the ACR cuz of the lower fire rate. Idk I don't wanna use lmgs with OD.

[onyx sage]

i use smgs with OD and play like any red build

[magic pilot]

Carnage

Works well for open world 5 directives

Gunner + hollow point means ammo isn't an issue

[digital agate]

how's my hunter's fury setup? what should I change?

[warm knot]

Try the memento setup

[digital agate]

i've been trying to get one for ages lol, is there a specific place I can focus farm it?

[warm knot]

Countdown target backpacks

Or anywhere dropping backpacks

But Countdown is easier

I go like this:

Shotgun crit setup

This last one isn't meta tho, you might want to run HH instead

[onyx sage]

i mean it depends on what you want to run. HH requires a lot more careful play

[warm knot]

Yeah that's why I don't run it. Also afaik you're paper when running it cuz of no armor core

[warm knot]

I'm not sure, but since they buffed killer then this might work with Matador... I got to try it.

[digital agate]

HH?

[warm knot]

HeadHunter, you need a named chest piece called Chain Killer

It's a named Walker & Harris chest iirc

[digital agate]

this uses dark winter right? any other alternatives?

[warm knot]

Any smg with killer or strained

[onyx sage]

measured also good

[warm knot]

For shotguns: Brazen(talent), tsunami (named sasg12), and of course Scorpio(exotic shotgun)

[onyx sage]

never thought there'd be a day when measured is good but yeah

[warm knot]

Measured is confusing for me. I did some calculations and it deals about the same damage as no talent... Idk I might be wrong.

[junior surge]

They changed it last update. It's actually decent now

[warm knot]

Lady death (exotic smg) is also fun to use.

[red island]

the first version of the talent actually made you lose dps lol, then it became not great, now its better

[digital agate]

is the shocker punch/st. elmos/shield combo worth investing into?

[onyx sage]

meh

[warm knot]

meh²

[subtle bluff]

what were you calculating?

Do you know how div math works?

[warm knot]

I forgot some details, you need at least 50% chc(critical hit chance) and put everything else in chd(critical hit damage)

I have 58 chc and around 120 chd.

HF is a 10s build
10s and no memento token taken ->no bonus armor->no damage(chest talent intimidate needs bonus armor to work)
HF stacks lasts for 10s
Killer talent lasts for 10s

[warm knot]

That was befor nerf. And as I said "I might be wrong, but.."

[warm knot]

@digital agate

[subtle bluff]

Using memento for Intimidate isn't reliable imo getting that first kill. sucks.

The math hasn't changed. Knowing what is AMP, TWD and WD is a pain tho.

[warm knot]

You can also trigger it by using an armor kit. And tharz what your tier 5 shield is for.

To get the first kill

[warm knot]

If running gunner you get bonus armor by using an armor kit*

You can also run firewall to get the dmg bonus from the shield

[subtle bluff]

This is how I run my HF build

[onyx sage]

goat

[subtle bluff]

I can use this for everything -Modifiers, +3 Lego and 4 heroic

[subtle bluff]

As the one speaks

[warm knot]

I know my english isn't good, but either you're not following the discussion or not understanding the people asking for isn't looking for an "advanced" build. I gotta quote myself again: @subtle bluff

And I also mentioned the HH version.

[subtle bluff]

oops. Yeah I didn't read that far up.

[kindred mango]

I’ve been using Dark Winter lately with Hunter’s Fury. Works great

I kinda like it more than Ouro… maybe

[warm knot]

I'm the same. Also, sometimes I use other smgs too, like the ump45 or banshee

I wanna try the tec-9 looks like it has a higher fire rate now.

[onyx sage]

smg-9 is really good

[hasty sluice]

ive updated this build to this. it seems to work better now

still sadly not what I wanted but proof of concept proven and now ima stop using it lol

[astral elm]

how much haz pro do yall run for PVE Backfire builds

[hasty sluice]

I think people run like 70%

or abit less

[hasty sluice]

kulve taroth
pfp isnt kulve

[red island]

why does everyone use electric glove and not holdter/kneepad ?

[versed summit]

I think it’s vibes tbh

[hasty sluice]

i found one with status%

[kindred mango]

Red core eclipse… interesting

[hasty sluice]

it doesnt work as well as I wanted

the og idea was to cc with fire and use ep to spead it.

lacked dmage so I went to elmos with momento

the shock doesnt last super long but still works ok

[magic pilot]

So I can swap to BTSU

[red island]

why for ?

[onyx sage]

team overcharge

it's useful since you're already at 6st

sometimes you don't run healer

[warm knot]

Fron what I tested the fire wont last that long even with 6 yellow tiers and status effects, UNLESS you hit them with an airburst seeker. If you want to "cc" with fire then why not using the iron lung?

[hasty sluice]

I was

click the message that I replied to with the new setup

[warm knot]

The iron lung tick only deals about 50k dmg, and fire only makes enemy stop for a few seconds.

I mean not a few, but 1 or 2 seconds before they start running again.

[daring tinsel]

What’s a good status build

[red island]

eclipse protocol

[daring tinsel]

With vile mask?

Creeping death for backpack?

[red island]

check the build in the pinned message

[daring tinsel]

I did, and its ok

[red island]

for everything you need

then you're good

[daring tinsel]

There isn’t anything better?

Lol

[red island]

if you end up creating something better, let us know

[daring tinsel]

Alright coach, keep me updated

[kindred mango]

Here’s what I run in Countdown. Very fun

[keen meteor]

Emperor’s?

[hasty sluice]

its funny how easy this support build is to make and its one of the best

[kindred mango]

Yeah

[red island]

i really dislike this bp talent but yeah

whats the point of healing so much more when you already can put anyone from 0 to 100% armor in a single heal

[daring tinsel]

Not bad coach

[onyx sage]

it's opportunistic though, you thought it's safeguard?

[red island]

oh

[daring tinsel]

Isn’t creeping death better?

[onyx sage]

talking about healer build

[red island]

really hate that they use almost identical icons

[daring tinsel]

Ok

[red island]

for very different builds

[hasty sluice]

the only point of safeguard is to make things like healing drone and heal orb more funny

[vestal ibex]

It's just the brand imo, no one needs the alps brand bonus... Plus mah per opportunistic.

[burnt gate]

With survivalist spec? The grenade goes well with sledge and cc.

[hasty sluice]

correct

[red island]

why would u use thoses ? the chem launcher is just too strong, aoe, long range, heal multiple people even if they far away

[hasty sluice]

throw it on a person that just wont stop pushing & dying

not a friend of mine at all

[red island]

yeah but i mean

just chem launcher on them ?

its the same but better healing

[hasty sluice]

true but funny drone go brrr

chem is better but I like to use drone for when im having an off day

also so i can throw it on them & have them stop saying they need healing

[hexed steppe]

fun till you get hit with a disrupt

100% hazpro cc eclipse

[hexed steppe]

creeping really isnt that great. most only use it for cc, but personally, i find its even a waste on cc eclipse... if your running cc and your team isnt killing fast enough to cause spread, then you should probably just be running dps to bring the damage up. opportunistic is superior to creeping death

[daring tinsel]

Ty coach

[kindred mango]

Goal is to disrupt the hunters first 😉

[hexed steppe]

never have to worry about it if immune

[kindred mango]

Makes sense but I already don’t worry about it hehe

Worst case you’re down for what 3 seconds or something

[hexed steppe]

opens up a skill if the purpose of jammer was to get them disrupted first

[kindred mango]

Works for all ads to get Vile cooking. Its boss against all the black tusk back line at the extraction

[hexed steppe]

should really drop vile and ep bag for cc. opportunistic with your scorpio adds another amp for the team

[kindred mango]

Sounds good will try that

[hexed steppe]

would also add sledge to pistol for another amp and to take advantage of surv fire nade

you would just need to swap onto pistol once fire nade is burning. can reapply with a quick pistol swap as long as the fire is burning

[warm knot]

I tried the eclipse +vile in legendary. Its surprising good to kill minions. If you hit an elite with airburst seeker it might die with "1 shot".

@hexed steppe I think I'm getting higer numbers with everlasting gaze instead of capacitor, like 40k+ or so. But I think you suggested capacitor cuz of the higher overall dmg, right?

I mean the burn tick*

[hexed steppe]

cap so your fire can double dip skill damage and status effects. but they are probably close. cap needs to be stacked prior to fire application, same with eg

eg also only applies to status applied with skill/possible special ammo. it will eat the perpetuation proc on spread but not apply it

make sure cap is stacked before firing. also make sure cap has a full 12% dta roll. i would also put max dta (6% dta iirc) you can on eg for the same purpose

the burn tick is dependent on the damage level when the fire skill was applied

[warm knot]

I thought it was when you deploy the seeker, not when it explodes...

This might be why I was seeing higher numbers with eg

[hexed steppe]

i dont consider seeker tbh. stacked defore deploy

i generally use fire sticky since its an instant use and hits every time

[warm knot]

I get you when you say that it's inconsistent, its hard to hit em with it. But if you get like a first blood on them you can wipe almost everything.

I tried it solo in DUA and it just killed the 2 first waves in no time.

[hexed steppe]

eg applies on status application so can probably be procced while the seeker is traveling.

[warm knot]

Of it was just a test. I got ripped by the heavies lol

[hexed steppe]

as long as you have like fire chem backup its more preference for your big damage skill

[warm knot]

That's how I was doing. Designate the target then right before exploring I hit them with eg. Yes i use fire chem

[hexed steppe]

i can see around 700-750k ticks with the fire sticky

[warm knot]

Then must be doing something wrong. Mine does about the same as the chem

Which is ~480k

[hexed steppe]

haste on the mods, ep bag, status rolls, skill damage stack from cap what i use. vile/electrique off piece

if range testing make sure targets are armored too. the dta can make a difference. im also 27% expertise stacked on fire sticky now, also can swing the numbers

[warm knot]

Now that makes sense.

[hexed steppe]

if you want to get really high burn ticks, you could technically use glass. negatively effects spread tho

[warm knot]

Nope, I think the most fun in this build is the spread lol

[barren coyote]

is the mag automatically reloading when switching weapon with centurion inteded?

[magic pilot]

believe so

[rich lotus]

Yes it’s intended!! why would you even doubt that..

👀

[shy willow]

Unfortunately not sir

[shy willow]

Tfw you waste a bunch of ammo trying to switch buffs

[rich cosmos]

Is gate strat really even good

[shy willow]

It's horrible

[rich cosmos]

I tried it like twice and that shit felt like a waste of time

[shy willow]

People only use it when they're insanely lazy or they just have no dps

Either way it takes insanely long

[rich cosmos]

Its wild how much more effort it takes then to do the actual encounter

[shy willow]

Trying to persuade Johnson to come to the gate is harder than just gunning them both down at the arch

[rich cosmos]

I convinced a group to stop trying to do gate Strat after 2 failed attempts and we got it first try after that

Its just a waste of time and effort

[shy willow]

When it initially released I saw a bunch of people trying to do it with burger kings too

[rich cosmos]

Bullet king?

[hazy steeple]

Hungry Jacks, if you're from Aus.

[hexed steppe]

no doubt. eclipse is one of my all time favorite setups. i like cc a bit more since its a major support build and im all about team play, but either version is highly satisfying.

[onyx sage]

when are you carrying me again

[hexed steppe]

youre the one with the bulky shoulders 😂

[onyx sage]

nah i'm retired

[shy willow]

Yes

[tawdry flare]

Carry me when

[onyx sage]

retired

[tawdry flare]

Temporary or permanent

[barren ferry]

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[junior surge]

Dta is generally better than CHD, but Dttooc would be best.

[urban pollen]

@barren ferry The one with Damage to Armor is better. I would just deconstruct the other for the Exotic Component. Once I have about 10 or more Exotic Components, I would reroll the weapon in order to have Damage to Targets out of Cover (DTTOC) on that 3rd attribute. DTTOC is the best!

[hazy steeple]

I'd suggest avoiding re-rolling it, as Elmo isn't locked to anything, you're far better off farming out one with innate dtooc.

[barren ferry]

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[barren ferry]

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[urban pollen]

@hazy steeple @barren ferry Yeah. My bad. Farming for it would be the best. I'm just high level with limitless amounts of resources (Just like Keener says during his Warlords of NY mission, Liberty Island) and a ridiculous amount of Exo Comps. I just reroll, optimize and expertise away like a maniac!

[hazy steeple]

Even with the current flood of Exotic Components that you can get these days, Expertise still needs a heck of a lot, and if you want to fully kit out a new build, you're in for a lot of farming.

[barren ferry]

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[silver lark]

im trying to mimic this funny one shot build I saw, is there a way to get achilles pulse to always mark the head?

[patent fossil]

Overcharge will get it to mark all locations including the head

[silver lark]

hmm any way I can squeeze in overcharge somehow?

[patent fossil]

BTSU gloves on yourself or a teammate are the usual method, I guess you could grab a couple of kills with a future perfect weapon if that's more feasible

[silver lark]

ah damn, I guess it won't work on the hunters in countdown lol

thanks though

[fresh fox]

unless the enemy has a markable weakpoint

then it’s a chance you don’t make head

[fresh fox]

try not to worry since you don’t need a head mark for dodge city

[silver lark]

without a head mark I can only do about 1/2 to 3/4 of a hunter health bar

but because I'm running 5 skill cores I don't have the damage to finish them off

[fresh fox]

it shouldn’t matter with dodge

because dodge makes every box effectively a headmark

[silver lark]

head mark headshot seems to do more damage though

[fresh fox]

not to my knowledge

it’s funky to test

idk id just expertise the achilles if you want to squeeze out some more damage

or just drop skill tiers

it’s a little annoying to hit a single box but it’s doable

i do that in my countdowns aswell

[patent fossil]

Does Achilles expertise actually enhance the damage multiplier then? Thought it just increased the damage a marked spot could take before 'breaking'

(this is not an area I have much knowledge in)

[fresh fox]

yea it’s an amp

iirc

[silver lark]

it only did 5 million on a marked bodyshot with all red cores and a maxed dodge city :(

[fresh fox]

ignore the actual numbers i was testing modifier stuff but yea at the very end of the equation that x (1 + .27) number is achilles expertise

[fresh fox]

it can be a little funky sometimes

hit reg isn’t the greatest

[silver lark]

welp rip build I guess

[fresh fox]

no the build is still great

it’s rare that it messes up like that

[silver lark]

I've been testing it for the last hour or so and it just doesn't work, that or I'm doing something horribly wrong

I assume the latter

[fresh fox]

weird

how are you testing it

[silver lark]

solo heroic countdown hunters and firing range, mix of both

[fresh fox]

don’t do firing range

it’s very weird with dodge city

[silver lark]

oh huh it's working now

sorta, I still don't have enough damage to one shot them but it did headshot on the arm part properly

[urban latch]

DCH is straight up bugged at the range, you need to do headshots at the range. Bodyshots at the range should do the same with DCH, but they dont

[urban latch]

Achilles mark just does
(Whatever your doing without Achilles) x Hsd% x Achilles exp level%

[fresh fox]

yea that’s in the formula

at the end

[rich lotus]

ok smart guy

[fresh fox]

thanks everyone

[rich lotus]

dont throw today compton

[fresh fox]

surely

[magic pilot]

Yea separate from normal Achilles mark

[fresh fox]

yea

[onyx sage]

why are y'all bullying each other

be nice

[fresh fox]

everyone is so mean to me..

[violet basin]

The harvest is currently our hardest hitting handgun in a single shot with DCH, correct?

If so I either need to pair up with someone to farm it, or dread waiting for the crimbus event

[vestal ibex]

Regulus...

[hexed steppe]

i was looking at my damage from sticky and without cap stacked i was seeing around 480k, similar to what you were saying your sticky burns at. range test your set with cap stacked against EG rifle procced

[tardy flame]

yes you are correct..the harvest is the strongest pistol in the game

[glossy scarab]

Anyone else try a hazpro build to prevent getting shocked or burned by enemy special ammo? It makes things soo much less frustrating. Also let's you use backfire which is so much better now.

[tardy flame]

im usually running everything with the broken determined hh stuff tbh

using this you can not only turn off your brain but also ignore all negative effects of modifiers

[hoary torrent]

pistolero is the best

[snow gazelle]

anyone has a up to date tank dps build to share?

[violet basin]

That was definitely the case pre patch to my understanding, though some were using d-50 ranger.
I am basically just trying to set up for breaking weak points easy in fizer

[fresh fox]

correct but only if we factor talent + mod difference

if not regulus is king

[violet basin]

My above statement covers my intention with the question
Possibly instead of using an assault rifle to break it just swap to harvest to pop the first, then AR the second

[fresh fox]

unless you are hitting an achilles regulus is better for that

[warm knot]

I think I figured out what happened. At some point I convinced myself that EG and CAP interacted the same with various skills. I do get slightly higher numbers with the chem and airburst with EG. But that doesn't aply to the sticky, it does 530k with cap and 337 without it. EG does about 490k.

[vestal ibex]

The crane weakpoints?

[violet basin]

Yep

[vestal ibex]

........

[fresh fox]

yea use harvest then

[violet basin]

I am trying to optimize myself for my group

[fresh fox]

because you would have rav on

[vestal ibex]

I'd use the DCH on his wipe tho. I'd just open a door. Those people at A-C need something to do...

[fresh fox]

yea

let solo top feel more useful…

[vestal ibex]

I forget what most PS players do for strats in IH, some funky choices iirc.

[violet basin]

I usually don't because the tank has that and they are farming bonus armor on boss and other stuff(I don't actually remember the other stuff sadly. Our group has either a or c popping rockets, and the other weakpoints on the above crane)

I am used to being deep c add control on OG keeping people with amp ammo

[vestal ibex]

Cause we are reading this like the tank is gonna shoot weakpoints...

Otherwise none of this matters.

[violet basin]

I mean that SOUNDS more effective than how my guys are doing it

[vestal ibex]

I mean you are doing normal boss 2. Nothing really matters imo

[violet basin]

Yeah
I was just trying to BS one part of it XD

[vestal ibex]

Learn shotgun nego and end that man...

[violet basin]

Could you send me that build cause that sounds spicy

Dms preferred for the ADHD

[fresh fox]

ok since you aren’t the tank use reg

[vestal ibex]

There are a few variations you can use. This is one.

Also sending in DM.

With this one you'd just get a vanguard popped while heading up to chunga.

You need OC, vanguard, understanding of how to rav stack and immune boss but it's pretty much 100% you'll kill fieser.

[cunning iron]

Can anyone tell me a DPS PvP build pls on dv1 I play most predator and nomad
Appreciate the help ❤️

[onyx sage]

#td1-build-advice

[covert meadow]

When you say pure rifle build what comes to mind to build for open world and missions farming?

[solar sable]

aces or nego

[sour prawn]

Just curious, is there a better brand I can replace the chest with for more dmg?

[covert meadow]

Ok @solar sable 👍

[onyx sage]

well replacing the backpack is a more obvious choice

[solar sable]

why nbb

me eyes hurt

[hexed steppe]

ceska oblit chest, vigilance bag coyote mask, all else striker

[sour prawn]

So i can get strikers set and the skill tier from the holster

[vestal ibex]

Why hate on a mortar build??

[sour prawn]

Ty, I’ll look into those

[hexed steppe]

oh shit, yeah thats not gonna work well

[hexed steppe]

just noticed it was all yellow 😂

[solar sable]

lol

[hexed steppe]

with cap fully stacked, mortars will hit 10mil regular, 13mil if overcharged. btsu can get mortar back instantly

could sub in a ceska piece maybe on glove and give cap a little more oomph if wanting to kinda dps a bit

[magic pilot]

If you have BTSU do you need haste still with mortar?

[hexed steppe]

the fact that gearset pieces only have 1 attribute you could probably split the atributes between crit and skill damage

[hexed steppe]

haste is good regardless. youre not gonna be able to oc every time your mortar goes down

longest i wait is 10 sec

[magic pilot]

True

[magic pilot]

Not bad

Gotta start not swapping

[faint hinge]

is there a way to improve this hazpro backfire striker

[magic pilot]

Yes striker bp and run 2 pc ceska

[faint hinge]

if i run 2 ceska im gonna be losing 30% from cavalier

[magic pilot]

You don't need it

[hexed steppe]

i wouldnt have used the hanna piece but its force multiplier so 30% tsd , no kill or status application required

[sour prawn]

I was kinda aiming for decent skill and weapon dmg with my initial pic, still gonna put that together and try it out tho. Ty

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/3CZ4Vma-P9E?si=LVt71v7mLAW_xM8M

Highly recommend skipping through this

[magic pilot]

It would be nice if skilled was a weapon talent like Div 1

Could be a good exotic

[hexed steppe]

yes, drop backfire, drop hazpro and ninja. then build it up traditional.. youre always gonna trade damage for hazpro so backfire isnt really gaining a lot over other weapons
*imho

[magic pilot]

Weapon kills reduce skill cooldown by 5% per kill

[rich cosmos]

You are losing much more damage with ninjabike

[magic pilot]

Ikia covered backfire/Hazpro striker really well

[urban latch]

Hot take after using the backfire a bit post-patch, you really dont need any haz pro with it

[hexed steppe]

you might consider a weaon with future perfect, where kills can increase skilltier. also note, cap has the talent for using yellow cores as red cores, max on a 6skilltier build is 45% weapon damage from teh talent. a 6 red core doubles the damage output...
but lets look at this in a different way, youre using ninja to squeeze in a few attributes, which is fine but hurts the overall build. ig you say used a ceska oblit chest, you could add memento on a red build.
here comes the dreaded Skill Buckets™️ mention (get your drink ready Dien)
with the skill efficiency memento gives you you can basically have a really srtrong attribute profile without haveing to spec into skills.
skill efficiency % is equal to % in all skill buckets.
For me, I look at all it does. Cores and long buff only (at full stacks) represent:
-45% weapon damage
-2 shield tiers
-free armor and skill core
-30% skill damage
-30% status effects
-30% skill duration
-30% skill health
-30% skill haste
-30% skill repair
-# skill buckets™️
-3% armor regen

Memento is the hardest working single piece in the game.

so between cap and memento stacks, your mortar can have 90% skill damage, 30% status effects, this is before even figuring in the other 5 pieces *or watch

[urban latch]

As long as you maintain backfire stacks, you'll only get bleed once which is huge. So you take 1 bleed at the start of combat, and as long as you maintain stacks you'll only bleed again after combat finishes and you regen all your armor anyways.

[sour prawn]

So if I wanted to fill out 4 pieces with striker, what should I use for the fifth piece?

[hexed steppe]

ceska oblit chest

helps your crit. youll basically build it like a standard striker, but just subbing in a core or 2 as skilltier. the balance would be personal preference on what you want hitting harder

[sour prawn]

Ah, ty again

[urban latch]

tbh the answer is pick 1 thing to be really strong at for a build, and make two seperate builds. One striker, one mortar, etc

[rich lotus]

I have 8 incursion loadouts actually

For striker

[rich cosmos]

Why

[urban latch]

The mortar especially needs a dedicated build since its amazing if its 1 tapping ads, but if its not its very sub par. It also takes a fair amount of your focus to properly aim and setup for ad spawns

[rich lotus]

Cause I’m mentally ill why else

[onyx sage]

because he's a special kid

exactly

[rich cosmos]

Fair

[rich lotus]

Thanks uncle

[onyx sage]

i'm not whiteout wtf are you on about

[urban latch]

Ive gotten it down to only 4 or 5 striker builds now

[onyx sage]

my legendary strikers are now only 2

[hexed steppe]

this is a way i tackled a skill dps previously that worked well. it was just turret/drone setup but its adaptable for other skills #td2-build-advice message

just note that its before picaros nerf, there are probably better options

[solar sable]

6pc improv on top

[magic pilot]

This guy doesn't play with no regen on

[stone lark]

does bullet king work well with striker, or is there another build that has better results?

[hasty sluice]

peak build

[hasty sluice]

the sleipnir works well since it has a high rpm(800) and it gets more when its reloaded from empty

[onyx sage]

it works well

[solar sable]

what is this

[hasty sluice]

stupid mag size with st elmos

explained in #td2-general-chat

[solar sable]

how much dmg?

[hasty sluice]

idk

whats a good backpack to pair with umbra?

[tulip charm]

Vigilance

[fresh fox]

striker with chest would be best setup

for no striker chest heartbreaker wins

[hasty sluice]

isnt striker with obliterate batter?

[red island]

its better overall cause you usually dont get more than 100 stacks anyways

striker chest only comes in handy if you unload so many bullet

[fresh fox]

not to my knowledge no

at least vs red heartbreaker

[hasty sluice]

well the question was about striker not heartbreaker

[fresh fox]

well in what situation

vs striker chest?

if so like not at all if you can’t stay above 140 stacks

wait 130

yea something like that

[red island]

yeah so basically almost never

[fresh fox]

then heartbreaker is the champ

[hasty sluice]

thoughts?

[onyx sage]

it's good

[hasty sluice]

im happy vigil can proc the dmg boost even if they are both in the same damage range

[onyx sage]

it's more of the weapon types being an issue than the range

them being in the same range doesn't cause any trouble

[rich cosmos]

Does a shotgun get any better with range?

I would imagine spread destroys it

[hasty sluice]

i dont really think so

I dont even think accuracy even effects shotgun spread

[magic pilot]

Certain shotguns yes

[rich lotus]

Giga chads use the 12x scope on their Super 90

[warm knot]

The Setup, badger or ceska for bp maybe...?

W opportunistic/perfect. I'm pretty sure like glue cant oneshot a purple one.

Also I would run at least 2 blue cores idk

[hexed steppe]

Technically it would need to be 2nd shot tho for opp to be active right

[warm knot]

Oh wait, mb thats an 870

[warm knot]

Yeah, at least 3 I'd say.

[hexed steppe]

I kinda like umbra tho, ngl. I just went ceska mask/memento tho

I wasnt expecting the rof increase to be as significant as it was

[warm knot]

I dunno, I mean if you're using short range weapons vigi doesn't much sense cuz you'll be out of cover 90% of the time and taking fire from everywhere, so I'd pick a damage talent for bp and some armor cores. I'd run all red umbra with lmgs from cover.

[rich lotus]

and 2 blue cores will save you from what exactly

you are in melee + one shot range on Heroic if you play close quarters

being out of cover =/= taking damage

if you choose that playstyle its assumed that you know how to play it

[warm knot]

It doesn't. That's what I'm saying. At least for me it doesn't makes sense running umbra with close rage weapons.

[hasty sluice]

might do the same tbh

i like the idea of using vigil but it doesnt work the best for open world

[hexed steppe]

Elmo / artist tool
Elmo is exactly @ 60chc , artist tool @ 55chc I dont remember chd value tbf.

Cores are all optimized now

[random sigil]

best rifle build right now? and best rifles to use?

[urban latch]

Not best for every situation, but I still think the M1A cqb

1886 with headhunter and determined is completely busted though, hard to argue against that as the top rifle

[random sigil]

ive tried that build, but i hate th gimmick. I'm not the best at aiming. I try to shoot the head, but most times by the time i finally get the headshot kill im dead

[solar sable]

Then try Nego

[subtle bluff]

First, figure out how you like to play before reaching for new stuff.
IMO, there isn't a "Best" rifle build. You can build rifles in a few ways, but not all of them play the same. Different RPM and DMG amounts require a different build.
I've enjoyed OD as of recently due to how much each % you can get on everything and the uptime of keeping OD up is pretty easy due to rifle's mag dmg.

[random sigil]

i mean, ive been playing on and off for a couple years. but came back fro the rifle changes cause i like rifles, but not that gimicky determined playstyle

[subtle bluff]

Got it. Good to know theirs a lot of new players around so I have to cover my basics.
Tryout OD w/Chest then almost any Rifle w/Sadist a shot. It's chunks well. For getting it started I use Banshee Pulse.

[onyx sage]

one of us

[surreal depot]

That makes 2 people

[onyx sage]

sir

[dull ermine]

3 👁️

[glossy scarab]

i keep running into this thing where the total damage is way beyond what it normally is

[shy willow]

Someone else had the same thing I forget who it was

[cosmic storm]

Wasn't this a "Bug" with the Ninja backpack many moons ago?

[glossy scarab]

probably but i wasn't using ninjabag

[cosmic storm]

fairy fluff...

[glossy scarab]

mmm i want some fluff

[subtle bluff]

It's not a confusing as this.

[tawdry flare]

Diamondback is good as well

[stone lark]

is grupo chest generally preferred over ceska on striker builds utilizing SMGs that already have innate high crit chance? or are the two just too close in numbers that it doesn't really matter either way.

[red island]

they are really close since last patch, but grupo still slightly better

[stone lark]

for a FI healer build, are repair skill mods or skill haste mods preferred?

[patent fossil]

I believe skill haste in most cases, you'll likely be capable of fully healing a red build in one shot so more repair skills are not needed

[stone lark]

ty

[subtle bluff]

Ceska is just more versatile over different builds. The more CHC the better.

[subtle bluff]

210 Repair Skill then rest into Skill Haste

[kindred mango]

This. Ceska is better unless you are at the CC cap (Ouro)

[subtle bluff]

even then your only 1% over cap. Backfire is 15% CHC it would suck some of the worth

but stuff like HD weapons would be ok for since you can mod.

[rich cosmos]

Repair skills refers to healing towards other skills Im pretty certain

[faint hinge]

the fact backfire can give you 36% crit chance is insane

straight up 46% from watch

[magic pilot]

1886 good in legendary yet?

[vestal ibex]

4 man scaling might be too high but I'm not sure.

[merry basalt]

Is this considered a good roll? im hording these gear set pieces until i hit level 40 to prep for the end game content

[solar sable]

I'd say yes

[merry basalt]

id assume these are considered full rolls?

[solar sable]

At your current level, yeah

[merry basalt]

ight, theres so many different mechanics than division 1 so i got learning

[red island]

for your lvl, lately this wont even make lowest roll possible

[merry basalt]

i would assume, story mode stuff is just disposable crap once i hit level 30 stuff should drop i assume

[red island]

anything under your lvl even

as soon as you find something better : you trash the old stuff

and tis up to lvl 40, not just 30

[merry basalt]

i know, but doesnt end game content start at 30?

[red island]

it used to, but now its just an introduction

[merry basalt]

ah

[red island]

after getting lvl 30 you go to new york and continue the story

[merry basalt]

ohh so thats the reason it gave me the choice to skip to the dlc when i started

i could care less for the story tbh i just started early so i can get used to the mechanics

[red island]

well you can skip to 30 if you want, its much faster, but if thats your first time, i'd stick with the story, its not bad, also you get to learn the mechanics

[hexed steppe]

No use hoarding any of this, it's all gonna be trash tier within a level or 2, and will be weak af at end gane. Early game just sell all but the best at hand. Use the cash to buy some vendor stuff as you gain levels.
Itll be easy to farm your endgame builds once you get to that point.

edit ig the level 40 piece is ok.

[sullen sun]

Does the Bluescreen work with OD?

[hexed steppe]

It should

[sullen sun]

Wb ND?

[hexed steppe]

The talent doesnt use special ammo like elmo so they wont cancel eachother out

[hexed steppe]

I think there is a bluescren dilemma build in the speadsheet

[merry basalt]

oh ive just been getting drops and slapping them on, no issue

oh and any advice since the dark zones are smaller, is it possible to even avoid combat with players?

dz in Division 1 was HUGE

[tulip charm]

I mean most of the time the dz is dead

[merry basalt]

well with 2-3k players on steam is it really that dead?

[vestal ibex]

Considering most of those people aren't in the DZ I'd say yeah.

[rich lotus]

They’re all playing Countdown bro 😭

[cunning iron]

Any advice for striker ? Got 4 pieces and 2 ceska

[cosmic storm]

https://lite.evernote.com/note/0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a

[rich lotus]

What the heck you can make Evernote links not 5 million characters now??

Big W

[vestal ibex]

Just do this.

[cunning iron]

Thx 🙏

[warm knot]

I have a question. I'm running OD with ACR-E and Scorpio. Is it worth of running the Stoner LMG instead of scorpio or just try tweaking the chc/chd and use the blue screen as main weapon? Btw, 3rd attribute for both stoner and bluescreen should be chc, right?

I'm running:
Ceska bp whith wicked
Coyotes
4xOD
Chc/chd/RED everywhere
~51% chc without coyotes.

Thing is I'm not sure if it's worh of giving up sadist to use bluescreen.

[magic pilot]

Yes chc

I would 100% run something with sadist it's one of the main reasons OD is so strong

[subtle bluff]

If you get the new exo holster you can get instant reloads with it for LMG's. The Prefect version of Sadist is in the CD vendor.

[warm knot]

Not the point here. I'm looking for something reliable to keep the bleed going on at long distance. So I was looking for something with a big mag, that's why I thought of bluescreen or stoner lmg. Also, you can trigger the hp ammo with bluescreen.

I might have a maxed Carnage in some mule idk

[magic pilot]

id just run carnage with gunner mag if you want big ammo

or m249

[warm knot]

THE GUNNER BIG AMMO POUCH!

Now that's interesting

Thanks, I gotta give it a try

[magic pilot]

the stoner is really bad for burst dps

21% dps drop from first LMG

[fresh fox]

he’s od champion give him a try

[solar sable]

that's getting deleted for sure

[magic pilot]

100%

how did he even post that lmao

[rich cosmos]

Channel has image perms

Hes probably had it saved

[subtle bluff]

If you have HP rounds it's CC. You just need to start off using Banshee Pulse with Gunner.

[warm knot]

I like to keep the shield, Ik it might be weird but I'll just trigger hp ammo with scorpio or grenades, then swap to the acr and carnage. But thanks for suggesting the banshee pulse. Also, the grudge also viable?

Kinda bothers me the range but the talent looks interesting

[tulip charm]

But you cant run shield with lmgs

[subtle bluff]

Can't use a shield with LMG just to note.
Scorpio, Bluescreen, or using Banshee to help with CC to proc OD
Then switching to Carnage to keep HP ammo on for main DMG.

I use F2000 too has my 2nd weapon just for more burst if need be.

[warm knot]

Acr is an assault rifle.

[rich cosmos]

Carnage

[fresh fox]

carnage is not

yet its still the champion

[fresh fox]

download

[sullen sun]

Ppl are really saying Chameleon is best in slot now…

lol

I tried it the other day and it’s doo doo water

Also what’s the best smg talent now? Killer, Optimist?

[glossy scarab]

too bad the accuracy sucks bc legatus brand gives you 70% optimal range and you would be able to not play in mid range where you get damaged by doing damage

[glossy scarab]

perfect killer. dark winter. its hugely buffed

[sullen sun]

Optimist with a regular smg?

[glossy scarab]

optimist is pretty good. i usually just run preservation on everything really

[magic pilot]

measured

[glossy scarab]

is it good now? do i get to break out the apartment ive been sitting on?

[sullen sun]

You got a big ass if you’re sittin on apartments

[glossy scarab]

like you wouldnt believe

[sullen sun]

Lmao

Got dang son

[onyx sage]

it's really good now

well, measured i mean

[glossy scarab]

yea the apartment is an mpx with perfect measured

[onyx sage]

the mpx got nerfed slightly and (perfectly) measured got buffed, both affect the apartment

[sullen sun]

Did measured get buffed?

[onyx sage]

yes

[sullen sun]

Jeez it’s gd now

[onyx sage]

the smg-9 and the vectors are really good with it

[sullen sun]

The P90 too

[glossy scarab]

sick

[strong cave]

I've been toying around with AR killer builds and it's viable for the most part. Just harder to build around CC on an AR than focusing CD on an SMG

[glossy scarab]

oh definitely. i have kller on a couple ARs

70% chd is it?

cant beat it

[strong cave]

FAMAS and f2k got hit this update. Chose not to touch the m4. I've been rocking the P416 lately and it hits like a dump truck with killer

[sullen sun]

Why did they increase reload speed that make these AR’s almost unusable

[strong cave]

Same way I can ask why the RPK has a 4.5s something reload but the L86 does slightly less damage and reloads twice as fast

[magic pilot]

did some testing

[strong cave]

Yet a belt fed machine gun reloads still reloads twice as fast than an RPK lol

Make it make sense.

[magic pilot]

smg pvp

electrique goated?

also somehow matador is better than grupo for dps??

5% WD finally beats 15% chd

[strong cave]

That's mostly due to the fact you're outputting more bonus SMG damage, so the crits will be what, slightly lower?

[glossy scarab]

i cant get electriue to beat a bunch of other smg builds. or at least the dmg is very similar

[strong cave]

I've heard players swear electrique is good for SMG based builds but to me it just seems way too annoying to put it together

[magic pilot]

i compared the best electrique setup to the best smg setup

basically electrique is 7.6% better which is pretty big

[strong cave]

7.6% makes a world of difference in terms of basically anything

[glossy scarab]

if 2 of my pieces werent missing a 12% chd roll maybe i'd be there

but i want to do it with adrenaline rush and intimidate, and i dont have those pieces yet

[strong cave]

Those sound like a major pain in the ass to farm for

[glossy scarab]

yup. i craft a couple every day. of various brands

waiting to get lucky

[strong cave]

Yeah, maxing those out sounds expensive as hell. Hardest piece I tried crafting was a wyvern wear chest with crit damage, status effects, unbreakable. Roll for armor. I crafted at least 1200 chest pieces??

Went into countdown the next day, chest piece dropped. I was so pissed.

[glossy scarab]

damn

[strong cave]

First CD on too.

[magic pilot]

The electrique grind is insane

Especially since I can't craft it

[strong cave]

All my wyvern mats, gone. Protective fabric, gone. Good chunk of SHD watch mats, gone... I jumped on countdown, first match of the day, chest piece dropped

[strong cave]

At that point I'd rather just use hunters fury lmao

[magic pilot]

In pvp no

I'll stick with HE

[strong cave]

I've got 2 hunters fury PvP builds I use, but as a solo they're a no

Maybe one day I'll give electrique a shot

[glossy scarab]

3pc lengmo is amazing for lmgs tho

[magic pilot]

I use that in PvP as well

Incoming screenshot

[magic pilot]

send it to me, ill add them to dps calc

[strong cave]

Hunters fury, basically all crit. Should be grupo piece and ceska piece. Adren rush backpack, obliterate chest

Ouroboros as well. 5 blues 1 red

Everything is crit

The other version is memento, with grupo chest. All crits still

Unbreakable talent instead of Obliterate

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15ZSQxcMcRGxa05SlI3XyaQl9OF0Qorpk7ZYwv2r8YFc/edit?usp=sharing

with expertise

[glossy scarab]

i have a chc/chd backbone and i put a red core on it but it needs heavy duty optimization

[strong cave]

Same 🥹

[tulip charm]

I wish I can get more lengmo/electrique base mats fast

[magic pilot]

@strong cave i added HF to the first one

[strong cave]

I mostly just wait until they're for sale in a vendor on a empty mule and fill my inventory up with mats needed and deco

[magic pilot]

7% drop from high end

[strong cave]

Ah damn

[magic pilot]

is the talent different in pvp?

[strong cave]

You've got me beaten most likely

[magic pilot]

4pc i mean

[onyx sage]

HF? no

[strong cave]

I'm not sure, if I'm playing closeup I usually just run sys corr at that point

Last I recall HF operated the same as in pve

[glossy scarab]

how do you get kills with system corruption. i dont understand that set

[strong cave]

I've gotten a decent amount of experience with the set, and it's a lot more difficult to use than people think it is

[magic pilot]

its an amp right?

[onyx sage]

yeah all parts beside the 2p is amp

[magic pilot]

HF is 11% better with the debuff

im assuming if you use intimidate HF will lose by a lot

or companion

[strong cave]

Basically, it's just an anti-pulse type gear set. Slap 1 maxed out pulse res mod, can't be pulsed. Hides your nameplates for 5 seconds and will give 50% (100% with bp) bonus armor and 25% weapon damage for every 2 or so % of bonus armor you have. Backpack with sys corr is a must. Or, memento. I run the build as a crit based build. 4 piece system, all rolled armor and crits, soko chest piece with unbreakable and coyote mask. Ouroboros smg of course. 1.5m armor ish as base, and you'll get 100% bonus armor upon talent proc. So it'll be about 3m armor with about 300k crits to the head

[glossy scarab]

ah i see. i had no idea how to use it

[strong cave]

Armor kits are replaced by infinite use kits, every 20s (15s with chest). Talent lasts 5 seconds. But, there's a huge caveat- you can't use armor once you proc the talent. You gotta get kills for your armor back

Or wait for the cooldown

It's stupid strong in close quarters. it's biggest weakness? The cooldown

[magic pilot]

ok both docs are accurate as far as i know, i used sokolov on hunters fury and dropped grupo since soko is better

[strong cave]

I wanted to use obliterate and companion but chose against it

[magic pilot]

HF beats all the other options until you add in catharsis stacks

i put catharsis at 50%

[magic pilot]

if you do HE would be better

[strong cave]

Guessing due to HF doing amp damage instead of multiplicative damage you get from WD bonuses

Or additive. Whatever nerdy ass words you wanna use 😂

[magic pilot]

idk i did add it to the calc

comparing HF with obl/comp vs electrique with obl/comp w 50% catharsis

[strong cave]

HF isn't god awful to use, but you're for sure right with HE for easier usage. HF, like striker, needs stacks for damage. Can't kill a dude, may as well just go electrique

[magic pilot]

HF with obl/comp loses by about 15%

which is huge

[strong cave]

Yeah you'd be kissing the floor before you even have time to react

[magic pilot]

you made the right choice going with ad rush imo

the other HF builds i put no obliterate btw

just to keep it even, otherwise id have to add it for all the other builds

[strong cave]

I went with ad rush since it's a close range based build. Skills proc it, as well as other people. HF marks will display above heads too, even if they dropped a Decoy. Kinda like a legal wall hack in a way

[hoary atlas]

guys What happened if Use 3 Umbra and 2 Striker with 1 Ninjabike ?

[strong cave]

I wonder if I could ditch ceska, slap a CC mod on and go with matador??

[glossy scarab]

you get wild rpm and shit damage

[strong cave]

Would be a waste of crits just for more fire rate

[hoary atlas]

I use that for Pestilence

and Lightweight M4

[strong cave]

3 Umbra, 1 walker, Picaros, ninja bike. Use iron lung primary, any secondary

You could even go ouroboros Umbra. Your choice

[hoary atlas]

Im try use Pestilence

[magic pilot]

i would drop grupo for matador, or soko. but i would keep ceska

[hoary atlas]

for PVE

even I accidentally use 3 Umbra 1 Heartbreaker and 1 Petrov

Petrov for LMG

[strong cave]

I mean, that's not bad. Leans into LMG damage and weapon handling. They better be Contractors gloves if they're Petrov

[hoary atlas]

i use that contractor Gloves

but Mask was Heartbreaker

[strong cave]

It'd be better if you ditched the heartbreaker for a walker piece tho. It'll give you even more damage to armor

[hoary atlas]

Walker Harris ?

[strong cave]

5 from walker and 8 from contractors. Plus 8 from LMG 3rd attribute. Plus DTTOC as 2nd attribute

Do the math here (exclude DTTOC)

5+8+8 = 21% damage to armor

[magic pilot]

run chc as third on lmgs

[strong cave]

I run DTA, why CHC in this instance?

My only guess is missing CHC on lmgs

[magic pilot]

7.5 chc is huge. ends up netting roughly 24% chd

and is always active

[strong cave]

Ah yeah 1 CHC roll is basically CHC mod and a half

Which allows you to take 2 chd mods

[magic pilot]

yea 1:2 ratio

[strong cave]

Or rolls

[hoary atlas]

I put Umbra on Chest, Holster and Knees

[glossy scarab]

with pestilence you want DTA if you like ticks

[strong cave]

Yup I got 2 pesti's with that and 2 iron lungs with that

[hoary atlas]

Mask and Glov was Petrov and Heartbreaker if not heartbreaker sometimes Walker Harris

[strong cave]

I do have an iron lung CHC before they changed the iron lung mods

[hoary atlas]

Matador only on DZ Right?

[strong cave]

Correct, DZ exclusive. Can be farmed with Named Item caches

[magic pilot]

id still run chc

more overall dps

[hoary atlas]

im Also own Perfect Bloodsucker backpack

[strong cave]

I get that one frequently. That backpack rips on 1 shot builds

[hoary atlas]

Perfect Bloodsucker is that good ?

[strong cave]

It's good if you wanna hit 20m+ shots and still have armor to keep from getting shot... Assuming you're running a 1 shot build

[hoary atlas]

"Maybe Sniper ?"

i own White Death Sniper rifle

[strong cave]

It's good for intimidate builds too. But at that point you may as well just run memento backpack

[hoary atlas]

i saw Video Someone Got Matador Blueprint

[magic pilot]

i have it

[strong cave]

That's crazy but I'm not surprised. I'm still hoping to get my crit matador to drop so I can roll it to blue

[hoary atlas]

where you get ?

[magic pilot]

descent locked

[hoary atlas]

Ah Alright

[magic pilot]

@versed summit gets them like candy run some dz with him

[hoary atlas]

descent was easier one right?

to get Matador blueprint

[strong cave]

I keep seeing you guys in my Base of Ops or around safe houses all the time 😂😂

[hoary atlas]

DZ Still have cheaters right -_-

[strong cave]

Many. But not always

[hoary atlas]

ah great

i gotta go gonna do Theo Parnell quest

[strong cave]

Ah yes, manhunts... Now we are doing the same shit we used to do last season but instead it doesn't directly tell us what to do. Remind me again why these changes were needed?

[magic pilot]

It's the only way to get the blueprint, but i wouldn't say it's easy

[hoary atlas]

ok

[strong cave]

Let's be honest we only play descent because there's nothing new to do and won't be for a while

[magic pilot]

I play to do lvl 40 with friends

[fresh fox]

noted.

[strong cave]

I played it for the exotic gun it gives. Yes it's hot garbage ik. Wanted it just because. Bought it, went to reroll it. No blueprint. Was so confused

Apparently, there's no blueprint for it. So I wasted 4h of my life for a Vindicator with Stability. Not DTTOC

Can't reroll

[fresh fox]

yup its rng

[strong cave]

I'm not about to waste another 4h of my life either

[fresh fox]

i think it changes weekly but its not the same for everyone and you cant see it before hand

[strong cave]

I'd rather go and touch grass with a special lady

[strong cave]

I'll get it with DTTOC when I'm bored and have nothing to do one day

[magic pilot]

this is true

its different on each character as well

[kindred mango]

Eh? You can see the roll in the store

[fresh fox]

they must have changed it recently then

[empty trout]

so, could someone please give me a tank build for solo play heroic? i was using striker/pestilence but with 700k armor and no regen or gain, it's annoying to die so often.

tried to make a build with the ninja bike messenger but i can't kill fast enough

[subtle bluff]

Heart Breaker

[hazy steeple]

Even Hunters Fury is still really great.

just: avoid NBB (ninja bag)

[empty trout]

the talent is super cool

[solar sable]

for the love of God

[empty trout]

will check HB and HF. thanks

[hazy steeple]

What doomz means there is "yes, I agree with this".

[solar sable]

I do have a NBB but it hasn't been touched since I got it

[hazy steeple]

There are more compicated ways to build HF, but the memento+ceska chest combo is just so convenient it's insane.

You can get a Heroic carry build in < 30 mins by using Countdown, assuming you already have a Memento.

[empty trout]

i don't

[solar sable]

me eyes burn

[hazy steeple]

yarr.
@empty trout Sounds like you've got some farming to do.

Memento BP, and Coyotes Mask are, I'd say, the 2 most necessary Exotics to have in your stash at all times.

[empty trout]

can i farm this solo?

[magic pilot]

yes or countdown

[empty trout]

what do i farm for solo?