td2-build-advice

[junior surge]

MG5 is great on it, it has a high rpm and stacks strikers well. If you want to use exotics, Bullet King and Pestilence are both very strong rn

[jolly knot]

I see, now on the unrelated note
What high-end Assault rifle is great that ISNT an exotic

[red island]

the named one sold by cassie

its pretty good

[molten thorn]

shield splinterer

[red island]

yeah that one

[molten thorn]

Nailed it first try

[jolly knot]

thanks for reminding me that i killed those hunters just to learn that i can buy it normally

[molten thorn]

Gotta kill em first before she sells it iirc.

[jolly knot]

ok at least that makes me lot happier

[red island]

i still need to do the 4 last hunter

they ask so much to do its so bad

[jolly knot]

should i swap out the (Mag size) for Crit or chance on shield splinterer? (it has 17% health damage and 13% weapon damage)

[red island]

mag size is king

you can get crit elsewhere

[molten thorn]

The ones at the water spawn in dc or the one where you run around the apartment buildings?

I think those are the only 4 packs of hunters

[red island]

in ny

[jolly knot]

oh right i forget optimist (aw hell yeah 62 rounds)

[jolly knot]

any other options?

[molten thorn]

Idk i usually use shield splinterer or exotics.

[jolly knot]

what about born great? isnt that also somewhat good?

[junior surge]

Third attribute should be Damage to targets out of cover 99% of the time, especially on ARs

[red island]

any other name can do the job, but they arent as good

[hazy steeple]

@jolly knot Don't worry too much about specifically picking a NamedItem, they're not "better" in div2, just an alternate option, depending on your build.

[molten thorn]

I'm some cases named items are actively worse than their non-named counterparts! Perfect determined doesn't proc itself like determined does, for instance

Actually that's the only case I can think of

[hazy steeple]

Rock+Roll having a locked Talent is my go-to for that, although some people are obsessed with +10 rounds.

[junior surge]

The main problem with named items is that they very rarely combine the best item with the best attribute/talent. Perfect adrenaline (cqb damage talent) on a status effect chest for example, or Perfect Strained on a mid tier smg rather than a good AR or lmg.

[hazy steeple]

I recommend messing around at some point and trying to make some of those niche ones work.
You'd be surprised at how 7/10 they can be.

[jolly knot]

rock n roll seems popular with strikers dont they

[molten thorn]

Gotta get them STACKS

[hazy steeple]

That's the thing, assuming you're close enough for the bulk of the pellets to hit, you can approach a max out with most of a regular mag size.

[molten thorn]

Even though Lefty is right (heh) there

[hazy steeple]

A regular ACS with a good Talent is honestly the best overall choice, especially if you're going to run+gun, without time to break for nades.

[junior surge]

The main draw of rock&roll is being able to get all 200 stacks with one mag. On a build without the chest, it's kinda not needed.

[hazy steeple]

The chest is pretty much mandatory on a Striker build, you lose a lot of damage in most cases without it.
It should be noted though: you can still get 160 stacks on the base gun, which is more than enough for your AR to cap it out.

[red island]

isnt it the bag that is mandatory ?

for the increase of damage stacks from .6 to 1

[molten thorn]

0.9 now post nerf i think

[hazy steeple]

I honestly consider both mandatory in a striker build, since Coyotes+Fox/contractors exists.

(or Ceska if you're bored)

[red island]

i think the chest is way less important tbh, especially considereing you lose stacks faster above 100

[molten thorn]

Why is ceska being recommended over grupo lately? Was the chd nerf on it that bad?

[junior surge]

Ceska was always recommended over grupo for strikers

[red island]

10% crit chance is better than 15% crit damage considering the stats you can get elsewhere

a gear piece can have 6% chc or 12% chd, which mean you gain a lot more getting crit chance than crit damage stat wise

[junior surge]

8 and 13, you should read the patch notes lol

[red island]

oh

[hazy steeple]

Either way, Ceska is still superior for the same reasons.

[red island]

yeah, the pb still stays the same, the diference is just smaller now

2% crit chance is better than 2% chd

[molten thorn]

Interesting

[red island]

overall, crit chance is worth twice as much as crit damage if you look at rolls you can get

but remember crit chance is capped at 60

chd isnt

i mean not twice as much since patch, but you get the idea

[molten thorn]

Yeah looks like my striker build is like 32% chc with grupo pre-patch because the build tool isn't fully up to date

But i also use coyotes so any time I'm getting 25%chc from that I'm at 57/60%

[red island]

yeah, depends on the range

[hexed steppe]

Pre patch you were actually able to net 9% more chd when using ceska piece w/coyote/elmo/striker because you didnt need to spec any rolls as chc (aside from the 2 secondary chc rolls on highend/coyote).

This is probably still the case but with the changes it's probably not as big of an increase in chd as before

[hexed steppe]

You shouldnt really count on long range buff on striker. Honestly if you're planning long range buff you'll probably be missing a lot of damage potential whenever something is close / mid
Long range is good if you have like smg main with good close range crit then a rifle or ar where you may be lacking but only use at range.
A majority of the time if long range is the reason for coyote you're just better off with a grupo piece. Imho, it's all build dependent

[kindred mango]

Easy way to look at it is to compare against the 6% cc and 12% cd attributes and mods. 8% cc from Ceska offers more than Grupo at 13% cd

Grupo would have to be 16% cd to be at the same 2:1 ratio

[red island]

yeah baiscally

[rich cosmos]

Would spotter be justifiable in place of heartbreaker chest?

Or is it just too much of a damage loss?

[tulip charm]

Too much damage and bonus armor lost

[rich cosmos]

Can someone post an image of the fixer drones stats at tier 3

Unable to check myself and no idea where its listed

[agile solstice]

does the Pestilence's dot count as a status effect?

[urban pollen]

@agile solstice I belive it doesn't hence why it scales with actual weapon dmg.

[magic pilot]

No

[hexed steppe]

inv > skill> drone> highlight fixer

[rich cosmos]

I meant I couldn’t physically check

Thx

I have a slightly goofy build coming, still goofy just not as much as my btsu striker

Just waiting for the confirmation of what Lexington is, if it can use any talent then my idea works

[fresh fox]

imagine its an ar that can get rifle talents

thatll be interesting

[rich cosmos]

Its not

Because its not a rifle, its the M4

[fresh fox]

"imagine"

[rich cosmos]

I mean just use the normal lvoa at that point

[fresh fox]

an ar with rifle talents would be cool

[rich cosmos]

Not really

[fresh fox]

so thats why i want to imagine it

[rich cosmos]

Lexington is either going to have unique stats like harvest or it will have a perfect talent

[fresh fox]

itll be unique stats

but i want to imagine itll be something else as well

but debbie downer over here is being evil

[rich cosmos]

Rifle talents shouldn’t be available

[fresh fox]

I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IMAGINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rich cosmos]

The simple and quick answer to why is just think about Behind You

[fresh fox]

key word

[rich cosmos]

Behind You would not be balanced

[fresh fox]

idgaf

[rich cosmos]

Im not gonna imagine something being strong and never happening

[fresh fox]

yea thats why im imagining it

not you

[magic pilot]

Boomerang on an AR would be busted

Boomerang probably one of my favorite talents

[fresh fox]

rifleman would be nice to have

like an actual good headshot damage talent

[rich cosmos]

That would also be busted

[fresh fox]

I DONT CARE

[rich cosmos]

Rifle talents are not balanced for ars

[fresh fox]

refer to previous message

[rich cosmos]

Well thats bad thought process

[fresh fox]

too bad

[rich cosmos]

?

Point is, lexington hopefully has pretty good stats, probably gonna get as many as I can, need like 4 to 5 just with different rolls and talents

[magic pilot]

You'd probably need 1 if it has a fixed talent

[rich cosmos]

Well even then I’ll get a couple for a just in case thing and for different attributes

[fresh fox]

yea totally

[lyric prism]

I really think there is some sort of negative math interaction between Strega, ND and one of the modifiers. all the sudden after a kill I'm doing 200k bullet hits unless I swap guns.

[random sigil]

Just getting back into the game. With the changes to rifles and the new brand set, what's the best rifle build? Spreadsheet doesn't seem to be updated yet

[lyric prism]

Strikers. (I say this /s and yes)

[hazy steeple]

Just an FYI: Spreadsheet is being worked on, check the "welcome" page (and scroll down) for the info.

[winged vine]

w00t! Effin' w00t! I mean - EFFIN' w00t! That spreadsheet has been my savior for build reference since I can remember... I've searched high & low for ANYTHING better... HAHAHA!

I love it. Seriously. Nothing better. Thank you to whoever made it!!!

On a other note - suppose I wanna make a pure dps Pesti build for PvE... other than DtA, OoC, Amp, and other sources of WD... Where would I start? I can only think of one prerequisite and that's 1pc Petrov.

[lyric prism]

petrov named chest if you want, otherwise as much WD as you can pack on

[hazy steeple]

Contractor's Gloves are petrov, they're almost certainly the gear you're going to pick.

(+10% Damage to Armour)

[winged vine]

Do Pesti ticks increase Striker stacks by chance? Not to sound like an idiot, it's just that the wording on Striker's is "Weapon hits increase" & I'm not 100% positive that Pesti ticks count as weapon hits...

[magic pilot]

No

[winged vine]

Good to know! Thank ya, kindly, stranger! Keh keh keh keh keh...

[shy willow]

Do we even know anything about it atm

[random sigil]

Strikers for rifle?

[shy willow]

Probably the modifier that shafts your damage to enemies in certain ranges

[shy willow]

For rifles umbra and OD seem to be the most recommended

ND as well of course

[slate folio]

So striker build is for damage what else build is there that's also for damage?

[rich cosmos]

We know for a fact that its an M4 and that it is fully intended to look like a lvoa

I would highly bet on it dropping as the holiday event weapon

Since if its a div1 anniversary weapon that would mean it drops like, a week or two before the next season

That and the fact that its even in the game means its probably releasing soon

[random sigil]

Ah okay. what's OD? new brand?

[shy willow]

Ongoing directive gearset

[shy willow]

ND, OD, Hotshot, Aces, Umbra, high end (rip) and way more

[shy willow]

So essentially it's just an M4 skinned as an LVOA

[rich cosmos]

Yes, possibly a stat change like harvest

Still unknown

[shy willow]

Hopefully more rpm

[rich cosmos]

I kinda just want higher damage higher recoil

I think that would be nice, includes a trade off too

Instead of just being outright better

[shy willow]

Ye

[fresh fox]

we know it’s gonna be an m4 basically

[rich cosmos]

Thank you for repeating

[fresh fox]

sorry i don’t like reading your messages

too much debbie downer

[harsh mason]

is the healing drone and shield where i can use my primary with a rifle and shotgun good build?

[hexed steppe]

If you use tech class you'll get a free skilltier from the spec and there is an artificer hive attached to that class. The artificer stays on back and can partially repair your shield every 10 seconds. Based on skilltier

Memento added to the build can further increase the strength of the shield and the repair strength of the artificer

[faint hinge]

is there a sadist named rifle

[onyx sage]

no

[prisma vector]

are videos all outdated now or nothing hasnt changed much ? meaning if I look for solo legendary builds like heartbreaker or w/e, are those sets bad now

I can't find a link with all the shades of red nerfs on gear sets

[onyx sage]

they're all the same still

[prisma vector]

thank you, what about the two new sets

are they any good for solo pve players ?

[onyx sage]

they're dog

[prisma vector]

haha gotcha, thanks mate

[onyx sage]

yeah, striker and heartbreaker still the best ones

[prisma vector]

this the best one possible ?

[onyx sage]

no, striker chest & coyote

[prisma vector]

ty

[hexed steppe]

Nego wants a word with you...

[onyx sage]

🛏️

[harsh mason]

oh thanks ive been running domlition but ill definitly try out the tech one lets see how it does on aaron keener

[minor lichen]

Any good status effect build advices please ? 😄

[patent fossil]

there's a pinned spreadsheet with a bunch of good builds, check the eclipse protocol ones for great fire and foam builds

[minor lichen]

Thank you :

[harsh mason]

Hiw do i activate technician

[patent fossil]

once you reach lvl 30, go to the quartermaster (skill guy in the white house) and talk to him to activate the various specialisations, depending on the version/addons you have you might need to do a bunch of field research tasks before you can unlock technician

[harsh mason]

I only own warlords of new york

[keen meteor]

That doesn’t change anything lmao

since you own WONY you have more access than a base game player

You still need to speak with the quartermaster as Kettle said

[patent fossil]

to skip the field research stage you have to own ultimate edition or the year one pass, but you can easily check by going to the quartermaster and seeing if it lets you activate the spec without doing the field research first

[harsh mason]

Thanks any good build for the demolition specialist?

[solar sable]

Almost anything, mortar is powerful asf

[harsh mason]

Thank you

[stone coral]

not the best D2 player but i am going for only striker build what would you guys recommend for chest should i also get one striker gear or change backpack with exotic?

[keen meteor]

If you don’t want to use striker chest then fenris with obliterate is the better option for you

If you are okay with swapping out elmo for a high end AR that can run an 8x then pristine example is another good chest piece

[stone coral]

to be fair

[keen meteor]

Another option would be 4pc striker w/ chestpiece, memento backpack, and ceska 1pc

For survivability

[stone coral]

i would love to have tank build like where i can survive a bit on legendary and mid range fight 🤔 i dont understand when you says ceska 1pc cause i have no idea what it means 😆 english and nor game experience

[patent fossil]

no point in running more than 4pc striker, the extra piece doesn't add anything, you could be gaining a brand bonus and extra minor stat slot in its place

[keen meteor]

I just realized that deheer is running 5pc striker lmfao

Yeah don’t do that run a spare high end

[patent fossil]

ceska is a brand, a yellow piece like your chest but gives crit chance, is a good choice for this build (would also recommend obliterate talent on chest instead of headhunter)

[keen meteor]

See, kettle agrees

[patent fossil]

could also run an exotic piece like coyotes or centurions

[stone coral]

nice explanation that i could understand thank you

[stone coral]

which one would you go for?

[feral anvil]

coyotes is the standard but centurions is a fun different playstyle with higher rpm

[patent fossil]

centurions has better dps if you use it to its best, but that does mean a lot of weapon switching, coyotes is easier

[stone coral]

coyotes it is then

so ceska brand chest with obliterate talent
and coyotes mask

[patent fossil]

lots of good build guides in the pinned spreadsheet btw

[stone coral]

just checked the google document and brain not braining for this

[patent fossil]

Hub tab has list of builds, each has link to actual build guide (usually an Evernote link)

[keen meteor]

Ah, so there should be a little button that says (builds)

Around the bottom of the spreadsheet page

Click on that, then it will display a list with links to a website called Evernote

[stone coral]

yup just looking to builds now

[keen meteor]

And click the Evernote or google docs links

[stone coral]

any of them? there is 18 of authors name 🤔

[keen meteor]

Oh, so each link is connected to the build that is named on the left

[stone coral]

yess found it

[keen meteor]

Nice!

[stone coral]

was the Ouroboros raids exo or something else though

[feral anvil]

incursion

[magic pilot]

ceska

[magic pilot]

We can run in 10 min?

[hazy steeple]

You both know to use #lfg-td2incursion-pc

[violet basin]

That channel reads as no access, is that an lfg channel that I need a role for?

yes I would like the role so that I might be able to aid where i can

[hazy steeple]

#lfg-td2incursion-console for PS and xbox, that one's just for PC.
There is no crossplay/save in div2, so if you have both platforms, you'll need to head on over to id:customize and select it.

[violet basin]

Aaaaaaa oki

Thanks!

So question. Am I the only soul actually using aces and 8's with artists tool and the new centurion holster?

(Unironically with AT on the damage up side I am melting things in heroic)
The only problem children really are chungas and war hounds honestly and I am looking for a better answer

[hexed steppe]

Once upgraded tech also has another handy trick... faraday perk makes your hive or turrets have a protective area close to them. This protects from disrupt and shock status. I see someone helped with your other question.

[shy willow]

Aces with rifles is surprisingly underwhelming

They just don't handle well enough to spam headshots

[hexed steppe]

with seasonal modifiers and specifically requital, i havent bothered using any type of dps/rifle builds. its all 1shot hotshot/mortar/fire eclipse lately.

[shy willow]

Yeah not having to deal with it is pretty nice

[fresh fox]

i gotta make mortar some time

[hexed steppe]

do it, everyone needs

[fresh fox]

but the yellow sacrifice eludes me,..

[hexed steppe]

3empress/wyvern/china/hanna (forcemultiplier) would still do a ton of damage

[fresh fox]

i cannot in my right mind settle for a worse setup

[tulip charm]

compton just make it exist in your inv

[fresh fox]

always strive for greatness

[shy willow]

Not a single habs or electrique unicorn but I have all the ones for the mortar build

[hexed steppe]

the best way ive found to run it is unicorns 2grupo/sacrifice/china/force multiplier/btsu

its expertised as well. but with cap stacked and pca procced its around 10mil hits, and if all procced and oc its around 13mil

can proc pca while mortar is in flight to get around the short 3sec uptime

[rich lotus]

Y’all i have a quick question whenever it comes to PvP builds

So for PvP would it be more viable to use the Picaros Holster or The Fox’s Prayer Kneepads? The picaros holster has recently gotten a significant nerf and its just not as good stat wise considering the weapon damage decrease and i’ve always sort of pushed the fox’s prayer kneepads to the side but i have heard that the damage to targets out of cover is multiplicative so what i’m essentially asking is 10% weapon damage or 8% damage to targets out of cover?

[solar sable]

Depends, hopefully the PvP guide will be updated by Prodigy and the other guys helping

[shy willow]

Depends on build

[rich lotus]

4 Blue core, 2 Red core, all rolled to CHD and CHC, 4 piece heartbreaker with Catharsis and either Fox’s Prayer or Picaros depending on the feedback but originally Picaros

[magic pilot]

fox

[magic pilot]

oh for HB you want ceska

[onyx sage]

fox is multiplicative

in 2024

[shy willow]

😱

[soft fossil]

Hey peeps! Kinda new to the game and builds and have no idea what I'm looking for 😅 if anyone's on ps and wants to help that'd be great

[solar sable]

You lvl40 already?

[soft fossil]

Yeah

[solar sable]

Check out Striker's and the 📌 Spreadsheet

[soft fossil]

Ah, where do I find that.

[solar sable]

Check the pins

[soft fossil]

Ah I got it, it's a bit confusing though 😅🤣

[solar sable]

it's okay lol

[harsh mason]

They did thank you i apreciate the help

[stone lark]

should I still be good if the stats on my gear aren't maxxed out (or at least lack a perfect stat) but have the desired attributes i want for a build?

[molten thorn]

Hey what's the memento solo striker's build look like? is it memento, ceska, 4pc? does the ceska have to be the chestpiece? lil help?

[solar sable]

yeah just that

You can use striker chest but eh, you cannot always maintain all stacks

[molten thorn]

ceska obliterate?

[fresh fox]

the ceska should be a chest because striker chest is hard to keep up in some places

[fresh fox]

that’s perfect yea

[magic pilot]

New pfp I didn't recognize you

[fresh fox]

get used to it

well not this one

i like to keep it fresh

[faint hinge]

What are the best rifles? In terms of recoil/spread

[pastel crane]

Any good rifle builds that are High-End?

[frozen bluff]

What are the best high end smgs? Not named

[pastel crane]

With this season, I'm gonna wager 9mm Vector.

[feral anvil]

im running an umbra rifle build and my favorite has been the sig

[pastel crane]

Big thanks, mate

[barren ferry]

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[red island]

you can check in the spreadsheet in pinned comment

there is a list of almost every build possible

[cosmic storm]

With tank builds you're always going to sacrifice dps for armour. If you can tank heroic then DPS doesn't matter. This is what I use for my solo heroic open world: https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwJgtODMFgbGAGRympehAuY80EY4w89o01wyVM9gxSZ4B2ADgzcq2novd7Oq7IeHPlTxQhokfxCx4tYuDzMAnERVI8KgluFVpUzAePZMkNccTVGUxEA

[magic pilot]

little overkill on tanking

[cosmic storm]

obviously

[fresh fox]

just use blue striker brah 🤦‍♂️

[magic pilot]

heartbreaker

[cosmic storm]

I have those too

[fresh fox]

the mini tanks bro!!

[onyx sage]

the mini tanks hurt

i am old man yells at cloud when it comes to mini tanks

[magic pilot]

Stack before mini tanks ur fine

[pastel crane]

Ngl, I am tempted to go Blue Striker

[barren ferry]

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[fallen comet]

-ah

[barren ferry]

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[cosmic storm]

Also, don't discount the Improvised gear.... If you have the mats ofc

[barren ferry]

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[hasty sluice]

real odd question. does incoming repairs effect the regen from foundry bulwark?

[grim field]

😭

[onyx sage]

no

[hasty sluice]

i cri

🥲

[grim field]

just make a division 1 striker build in division 2 🤑

[hasty sluice]

I already have an almost perfect blue striker

[grim field]

why blue...

[red island]

tanky dps

[grim field]

im good with only 2 blues

[hasty sluice]

I run 3/4 blue with catharsis or coyotes

[grim field]

ah yes everyone go with old stuff still

[hasty sluice]

I have reached peak build crafting*mods are PFE

[rich lotus]

This is fire

I am so proud of you for creating this

[red island]

what lvl is your gun ?

[toxic swallow]

29 because I can’t find another M16A

I like the three round burst

[red island]

yeah, i called it

your gun is super bad rn, literally any bad weapon lvl 38 will do a better job

its not even close

[toxic swallow]

I want an m16a

[red island]

dont focus on what you want as a gun until lvl 40

[broken edge]

man you are supposed to change the gun every two levels at most

you are using lv1 gear almost, the gap is that big

[red island]

also you only have 3 red core, which is very low

[broken edge]

get to lv 40 first then farm for an M16

it's going to be easier then

[toxic swallow]

Im 38

[broken edge]

yeah and use an lv 38 gun to get to lv 40

[toxic swallow]

So only two more levels to slog through

[red island]

you're trying to kill a modern abram tank with a peeshooter atm

change your gun asap

any gun will do

you'll clear up to 40 much faster

and after that you can create the build you desire

[toxic swallow]

I have nothing to change it to.

[red island]

yes you do, its not up to 40

its also a mess of stats

[broken edge]

it say right there you have 12 guns in primary slot

[red island]

you also need high end not purple

[patent fossil]

you can also buy, craft or loot a lvl 38 gun easily enough

[red island]

if you had nothing to change then you would kill rusher in 2 burst max

[toxic swallow]

My armor is geared towards rifles and I have none because it only drops marksman rifles or LMGs. Yeah shot guns, sub machine guns, LMGs and marksman rifles, none of which have talents the play well with my armor talents

[red island]

your armor isnt geared toward rifle

[toxic swallow]

lol craft?? I can’t craft anything but trash

[red island]

its geared toward skills

[toxic swallow]

The armor attributes give bonuses for rifles

[patent fossil]

lvl 38 trash is way better than lvl 29 perfect rolls

[red island]

its called a brand, and there is much more than just brand

you'll find later much more powerful items

[toxic swallow]

No crafting doesn’t produce level 38. It produces low level junk

[red island]

if you cling to that, you'll never kill anything

[patent fossil]

might need to upgrade your crafting station then

[red island]

you need to go to 40 for that iirc

[broken edge]

just buy anything for a vendor

it's gonna be temporary gear

you will farm stuff that you want later

[toxic swallow]

So what, we’re just supposed to wait until the AI deigns to give us the blue prints we want?

[patent fossil]

lots of farming options once you hit lvl 40

[red island]

you dont need ot craft at endgame

just play with items from your lvl

[toxic swallow]

And then have to completely switch around my armor and other items to fit. That is an exercise in frustration

[broken edge]

targetted loot lets you get what you want easily

[red island]

trust me, rn your build is a mess, thats why u dont do damage

[toxic swallow]

I just want my three rooms burst setting on my rifles.

[red island]

you'll find them, its not the ahrd part

[patent fossil]

it's temporary, and while you're levelling there's really no need to have a coherent build, story difficulty is not that hard unless you make it much harder for yourself by running hugely underlevelled gear

[grim field]

anything to change?

[toxic swallow]

I wouldn’t care what kind of rifle it is. Why they don’t offer that as a modification is dumb when most modern rifles have it anyway

[red island]

seems like a good basic striker build, look good

[red island]

what are you talking about ?

the burst fire ?

thats for balancing purpose

[broken edge]

we told you what you need to do, not adapting before getting new gear is just shooting yourself on the foot in any loot game

[toxic swallow]

I had to give up Trauma just to get two more bars of armor and imho it wasn’t worth it

[grim field]

i think he wants m16 guys!

[toxic swallow]

With Trauma I can get them to stagger out and light them up while they’re blind

[red island]

you can have trauma later, and combi it with wicked

but lvl 40 first

then look for thoses items

[toxic swallow]

Blueprints should be tradeable

[red island]

no, its supposed to be something you grind for

and tbh its not even really useful aside from very specific ones

[toxic swallow]

Which is why it should be tradeable

[red island]

if it was tradable, nobody would grind for it

the point is to grind

[toxic swallow]

So? They’d grind for other stuff

[red island]

they want them to grind for blueprints too

if you had to grind for something but you could trade another, you would ask for everything to be tradable

cause it wouldnt be consistent

[grim field]

true point

[red island]

also people would pay irl money for that

thats a very slipery slope

[wanton vale]

could anyone link me some solid DPS or DPS off-tank builds for group legendary content?

been looking for builds but can only find ppl making solo builds

i prefer using ARs/LMGs and i like using the shield with decoy/riot foam if that helps at all

[red island]

Check pinned spreadsheet

[hexed steppe]

GD, this was a lot of whining about gear, considering agent was only 2 levels of grind before hitting endgame 🤦‍♂️ ...
wait till you get to farming unicorns 🦄 😂

[red island]

Shhh, dont scare them yet

[kindred mango]

The Habsburg farm awaits

[frigid grove]

Does anyone have a good striker build?

[hazy steeple]

There's a fantastic meta one in the 📌 pinned-spreadsheet of this channel.

[frail swallow]

Chatterbox build with striker or hunters? And ninja bp ofc

[shy willow]

Ditch ninja just use striker or HF

[frail swallow]

But then I wouldn't be able to use 2 piece of walker or sokolov

[hazy steeple]

Think of it like this: what are you giving up for using the NBB (ninja bag)?

The backpack Talent is one of the strongest damage sources we can have, and especially on Striker, it's own BP Talent is fairly important for builds.
For HF: if you really want the triple core, Memento is a great option.

NBB is pretty much a "newb trap", in that it looks good, but only on the surface.

[fresh fox]

good

[rich cosmos]

The best part of ninjabike bp is its appearance

It just looks cool, the stat loss isn’t worth it

[hexed steppe]

good component tho

[keen meteor]

crunch

[naive osprey]

^What stat loss?

[rich cosmos]

Backpack talents

[hexed steppe]

total weapon damage or amps

[naive osprey]

You get 4 talents from other gear piecves...

[hexed steppe]

attributes

[deep fossil]

Usually NBB used to make hybrid builds in DZ / PvP, atleast that's wut I'm experiencing
But for PvE, NBB isn't that great, better off with Memento instead

[hexed steppe]

talents are different

[keen meteor]

\

You're trading the equivalent of a perk for slight bonuses

[rich cosmos]

Anyways a suggested rework I gave once is let ninjabike bp specifically change one of the core attributes so you can have two of one core (example: 2 skill tiers and 1 red core)

[onyx sage]

and yet none of those are backpack talents

[rich lotus]

Throwback to 30% WD Picaros bait

[keen meteor]

Contractors and picaros not having a full glowy bar for their stats pisses me off so much

[deep fossil]

Backpack talents can be ur dmg source, or sometimes ur other source of survivability or support, same goes to chest piece. On paper, NBB looks good since gives u +1 for every brandsets bonus sets / gearsets bonus sets, but that's just it, it's just bonus sets, not the talents

Besides, not all brandsets / gearsets give you good bonus sets

[shy willow]

There's quite niche cases for it in PvP and raids but outside of that it's mostly a joke piece

[deep fossil]

Well, I did make a healer build with NBB for DZ purposes, and it does great on there, but not that great if I using it in PvE in general

[shy willow]

Yeah if you're going pve healer you're better off having the standard one with the datagloves

[deep fossil]

Oh definitely

Sad that Div 2 don't have enough space for loadouts, and also space for storage and inventory

I can only make 2 versions of healer build

For Memento tho, sure, it does give one of the strongest buff in the game, but if u play as a group, using it might be tricky, since u need to be the one that kill the enemy, therefore u kinda like competing who kill the enemy first if u using memento

[lilac lodge]

Hey Guys Dose anyone have a good build for pve

[cosmic storm]

Check the pinned post, there are a few in Spreadsheet 2 for various playstyle/situations

[stone lark]

what's the recommended random attribute on LMGs? CHD/CHC?

[patent fossil]

Chc at the moment I believe

[stone lark]

tyvm

[karmic anchor]

So I’m working on a build around INVISIBLE HAND any tips

[patent fossil]

It's not exactly a top choice, iirc talent is perfect allegro? So probably a good fit for striker since you'll build stacks quickly

[hexed steppe]

rate my umbra. i kinda just cobbled it together and still need to optimize main cores.
right at chc cap with elmo/kard. also not sure if umbra chest or ceska oblit chest better. open to suggestions that squeeze more damage in.

[digital agate]

st elmos or chameleon for general use striker build?

[fresh fox]

elmo’s

[junior surge]

Elmos is one of the best guns to use with it, and chameleon is an acquired taste but very strong in certain situations.

In general, if it has a decent rpm and you like it, just use it.

Gun balancing has gotten better over the last couple updates, and most guns are pretty close damage wise now.

[digital agate]

this is my striker setup btw. i don't have all the items yet cause i'm fairly new to the game. Is there anything i should change?

[junior surge]

If you're not running an acs-12, I'd recommed switching to ceska chest (and striker gloves)

Otherwise it's looking really good

[fresh fox]

yea just make sure to use a ceska

[digital agate]

talent for the chest? I have one with obliterate

[fresh fox]

fenris isn’t that great

[fresh fox]

perfect

[junior surge]

Can't go wrong with oblit

[red island]

yeah oblit with high chc is great

even with the nerf

also ceska is good but its ok if you go fenris, you'll miss out a bit of damage but nothing incredible

like not the end of the world

[limber raven]

I know there is a lot of room for improvement, what can i do

its for pvp btw

the ceska is a placeholder, I dont have anything to put there at the moment, but i cant decide if 2 airaldi and 1 hashburg, or 2 hashburg and 1 airaldi

[junior surge]

What difficulty is this for?

[limber raven]

PVP

[junior surge]

Ah ok

[limber raven]

it oneshots already, but I know it can be improved, just not sure what to do

[red island]

why mantis ?

and not nemesis ?

[shy willow]

Can probably replace gloves with contractors and add walker holster

Idk what's supposed to do the most damage

[limber raven]

i dont have it

[red island]

well, never too late to start getting it

[limber raven]

i dont thinks nemesis works in pvp

[tulip charm]

One shots with optimistic active or not

[shy willow]

Nemmy is a monster in PvP if you can get off a charged shot

[limber raven]

youll never get the charged shot

[tulip charm]

You can

[shy willow]

People do

[limber raven]

without

[tulip charm]

Then just run determined

[limber raven]

with the last bullet its overkill

oh ok

[tulip charm]

For skill i would say something you can kill with when they’re down ie burn sticky or oxy so you can reproc determined

And im gonna assume its crit based due to ceska but most people go full hs/handling. I wouldn’t recommend it since ig you can’t one shot if crit doesnt proc.

[fresh fox]

2 habs 1 airaldi

use a oxi + spotter drone

[limber raven]

I explained the ceska above

[limber raven]

Ty so much

Is the oxidizer for execute ?

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[magic pilot]

Mantis actually super good in PvP

[wise swallow]

for what

[magic pilot]

Talent is always active

[wise swallow]

oh is that changed?

[magic pilot]

It's been bugged for like 2 years

[wise swallow]

Never knew that

lmao

[red island]

well, i wouldnt advise people to use bugs

[wise swallow]

not that the dmg even matters but

[onyx sage]

but behind you doesn't work?

[wise swallow]

also locks you out of regulus unless you hotswap

[onyx sage]

i remember someone said behind you doesn't work in pvp

[magic pilot]

I would assume it's intended since it hasn't been fixed and it's not on trello

[onyx sage]

which is weird if mantis works but that doesn't

[magic pilot]

They said chem swapping with centurion holster was intentional

[magic pilot]

It does not

[red island]

doesnt really make sense then

[magic pilot]

🤷‍♂️

I can make a bug report later and see what they say

It's been like that for a long time, similar quirk to the btsu OC thing

I doubt they have any plans to change it

[onyx sage]

i personally think the BTSU double OC is intended

[magic pilot]

Same

[urban latch]

No chance that's intended lol

[magic pilot]

The wording is just super bad

[celest mantle]

I am doing now second stage of gunner specialization. It says kill Lt. Kelly in air & space museum. I did the mission but no progress. Does it have to be non invaded by black tusk? If so, how can I access the non invaded variant again?🤨

[onyx sage]

toggle mission mode in the mission difficulty screen

[celest mantle]

ah thanks

[wanton shard]

Any sniper main advice if I'm new and just reached level 40? (I don't know at what level you're supposed to start making builds but the game recommended me to and I've honestly got no idea)

[iron garden]

Hey ! do you guys confirm that the WONY expansion is needed to get St. Elmo's Engine ?

[patent fossil]

You can start making builds as soon as you hit lvl 40, and sniper is very easy to build and play at the moment. I'd recommend chainkiller chest (being sold today at the white house vendor), an airaldi backpack with the vigilance talent, and 4 pieces of the hotshot set, all rolled headshot damage and handling. For weapons you've got options depending on how you want to trade versatility and reload speed vs damage, but I find an SR-1 is a decent balance and will one-shot most stuff. There's a weapon talent called Determined which mostly removes the requirement to land headshots, but if you want to exercise a bit of skill then pretty much any other talent will also work fine

[iron garden]

I just found the answer. It's needed unfortunately 😅

[patent fossil]

it's not any more, the only thing WONY is needed for is a few skills (decoy, sticky variants, trap variants) and the NY map

[iron garden]

seriously ?! oh great !

thanks

[patent fossil]

yeah with that build you can run solo heroic with all directives active and still easily murder almost everything you encounter (the main weakness is marauder drones)

[cunning iron]

Someone got any solid PvP Builds or recommendations ?

[wanton shard]

Any ideas on how to get the SR-1 replica bp?

[patent fossil]

just farm countdown on challenging difficulty for MMRs and you'll get a selection. Don't worry if you feel you won't be pulling your weight, challenging is easy to get carried on

[hasty sluice]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MwDgtAjATGAMl0fZTUtgLguaiKIFYBONU9ODAFmEhnn3thvJbSpinxgbN-Q1Bg6fEf2AB2WnlGiMUeYiitlcgGyq8ubCQhF6RfLuH9ls8RkmnkambCA

is this build idea insane?

[onyx sage]

do you want to deal damage via bullets AND status or do you want status to be carrying?

[hasty sluice]

deal damage via bullet and use status as cc

[onyx sage]

not as insane as you think, there are some speedrun builds for red eclipse but they rely on team overcharge

[onyx sage]

you probably want eclipse backpack then

[hasty sluice]

ie st elmos + smg + blinder

[onyx sage]

in any case you want it anyway

[wanton shard]

I could barely do normal I don't know if I'll be able to do challenging 😭

[hasty sluice]

ight was debating chest or back pack

[patent fossil]

you matchmake for it, it's intended for 8 players, and on challenging difficulty only a few need to be strong to carry the whole group

[solar sable]

Countdown is not meant to be run solo...

[wanton shard]

Guess who did it in solo

[solar sable]

try Heroic. /s

[patent fossil]

don't try heroic, even with matchmaking, you'll just cause yourself and others unneccesary suffering. Challenging is where it's at.

(Specific to countdown that is)

[hasty sluice]

would it be better to go with cc or extra AR dmg for elmos?

or just run perfect trauma for 20s/30s

[onyx sage]

meh, i don't think with low skill tier you'll get much duration out of the blind. at most i can only see your shock spreading from elmo rather than the blind because you don't have enough damage to kill in time for the effect to spread, and even if you do, the status won't last that long anyway because you have to either run chest damage talents or eclipse chest

then it turns into just a glorified high end build but worse

you really need overcharge (which needs a teammate) to really make it shine

[hasty sluice]

status effect % go brr as well

[onyx sage]

not really

you realize that the blind duration mostly comes from skill tier

that's actually multiplicative to your status effects%

most statuses from skills get most of their duration from the skill tier scaling

and eclipse only shines if your status duration is longer

which is why you see most eclipse builds run 6 skill tier

[hasty sluice]

hmmmm

new plan backpack becomes momento, with ecplise chest

[mint axle]

Not you, I think

[wanton shard]

Is vindicator good?

[onyx sage]

no

[hasty sluice]

its a heavy ammount of mid

[mint axle]

Good to perish into component

[wanton shard]

I've got Vindi, Backfire, Doctor Home and Chamelion and they're quite shit but

Idk which one to pick

[onyx sage]

backfire and chameleon are the best ones out of those you mentioned but you probably have high end weapons that beat all of those

[mint axle]

Only Backfire is the least worse

[onyx sage]

exotics do not mean strongest

just fyi

[cloud laurel]

What!! Backfire isn’t kinda shit…. With passive mod activated backfire is OP

IGN as my discord I’m challenge to anyone who think backfire isn’t good, I ran my backfire with blue stiker and you will be amaze to see the result at the end of mission

[wanton shard]

Yes but I don't think I can make a correct build for backfire I'm very new into the game

[rich cosmos]

Isn’t backfire quite good rn?

[wanton shard]

So for me it's just a matter of picking a weapon

[rich cosmos]

All you need is striker with hazard protection

You don’t even really need to cap out hazard protection anymore because the bleed stacks don’t go as high

[cloud laurel]

Not even hazpro I’m full blue striker and full AR

[wanton shard]

I'm confused what a striker with hp is

[rich cosmos]

💀

[rich cosmos]

Striker with hazard protection

Thats kinda it

You just put hazard protection attributes and mods on

Without sacrificing too much damage

[wanton shard]

Ohh on the armor

Got it, thank you

[cloud laurel]

Sorry but you’re wrong

I ran only 10% hazpro bc of the watch

[rich cosmos]

Then you are using backfire wrong

You need more than just the watch

Even if you don’t use much

[cloud laurel]

lol challenge me

Legendary

[rich cosmos]

I don’t care

[cloud laurel]

exactly because you’re wrong lol

[mild loom]

how much hazpro do we need for the bleed to not affect us

[rich cosmos]

Like 80% or something

I know at some very high percentage it no longer triggers

But you lose a lot of damage

[mild loom]

wow thats a lot, will need to give up like 60%-ish in CHD

[cloud laurel]

I hit 2.4m head dmg so idk what you’re talking about

I have screenshots of it lol

[rich cosmos]

Thats kinda the gimmick of backfire

Massive damage, massive trade off

[rich cosmos]

Damage doesn’t matter if its causing harm to yourself

[cloud laurel]

Using retribution u don’t need CC u want all CHD

It’s not lol

That’s okay listen to him use hazpro on gears lol

[rich cosmos]

Post a clip of you surviving the bleed on max stacks without it taking at least half your health

[cloud laurel]

even without mod I still have 46% CC and 108% CHD

Wrong

[rich cosmos]

How can I be wrong from asking something

[cloud laurel]

Here

[rich cosmos]

???

I asked you to do something

How can I be wrong if I didn’t make a statement

[cloud laurel]

Ohh post a clip sure

When I’m home

Wait let me saw u a screenshot from DM

[solar sable]

You're also writing wrong CHC, CC stands for Crowd Control.

And you do need some hazpro on your gear to counter bleeding from backfire.

[cloud laurel]

lol okay

Yeah my bad on CC

But lol u use ur hazpro vs mine?

I’m full blue core and AR

I do t run like other players with hazpro lol

I’m open challenge to you with your hazpro vs mine, yeah?

[rich cosmos]

This isn’t about pvp or ars

This is about Backfire… the exotic

[cloud laurel]

And I’m using backfire AR armor regen

You see the screenshot I sent? Maybe not right?

[rich cosmos]

You never sent one

[cloud laurel]

that’s okay u guys giving me a headache on how to use hazpro when I proved that you don’t and use go full blue core with AR as a attributes

[rich cosmos]

Oh no you sent it through dms

Yeah no that build is highly unreliable

[cloud laurel]

I can’t send without being friend? Okay send friend request

I ran this build in legendary and eating bullet from all directions

[rich cosmos]

You are in a group of four on an enemy that is barely moving and have max memento stacks

[cloud laurel]

Right lol okay

[rich cosmos]

My man do you just not see these buffs

[cloud laurel]

My man I sent u screenshot

1 with buff 1 without

[rich cosmos]

I would also like to point out you are getting amp damage from having the modifier system on as well

This damage is unreliable to go off of

[cloud laurel]

Facepalm I’m done debating

[hasty sluice]

dont forget sledge hammer and oppertune

[fresh fox]

like 90+

but it also stops applying after the 3rd backfire reload

[cloud laurel]

There with buff and with out

Let end this nonsense

[rich cosmos]

Thats factually false

You even posted evidence of that not being the case

You and the boss have a minimum of 1/2 buffs in every image

You are misleading people

[hazy steeple]

We playing nice?

[tulip charm]

scorpio + opportunistic + active modifier/passive modifier.

Baller.

[cloud laurel]

Sure like u said my IGN as my discord run with me and see who’s misleading lol

small fly can’t think outside of the box

[urban latch]

dude I literally ran with you and proved you wrong, and your still running your mouth....

and now this comes back up and you randomly start DMing me again talking shit?

[cloud laurel]

Sigh dude u again u can’t complete with me with mod on

[wise swallow]

division drama

[onyx sage]

ep 29

[hazy steeple]

This is the nerdiest slap-fight I've ever read.
In the most loving way, of course.

[urban latch]

I literally had more damage and kills than you when I had zero positive modifiers active

[rich cosmos]

Lol

[cloud laurel]

Not by much since I’m full blue core with AR while you full red so what’s your bragging about?

You’re bragging about how your full red got more kills and dmg vs full blue and did almost as your dmg n kills?

[urban latch]

1. You originally never said anything about modifers, youre moving the goalposts
2. show me what you have active, lets calc up how much of an advantage you had there

[cloud laurel]

Wow and what about with mod on? Who got more kills and dmg?

[urban latch]

I did.... with mods on....

[cloud laurel]

you drag this into public view when I just replied to your post

lol

[hasty sluice]

🍿

[cloud laurel]

right right

And im asking again let do legendary in DM yet you refused then why are u drag this conversation to here?

I’m misleading then I said many time, my IGN as my discord add me and run with me with mod on

[rich cosmos]

Its because you are misleading the strength of the build

[cloud laurel]

lol sure

Hey I said once again and listen my IGN is as my discord add me and run with me I got work to do

[solar sable]

If raucey says and proves you're wrong, just stop

[wise swallow]

the D measuring contest has come to a close

they judges will be back with the score cards soon

[tulip charm]

What pvp build can use this

[wise swallow]

none

Only build that would use elec would be a SMG build that would need bluecore

[fresh fox]

none

[tulip charm]

💀

[autumn yacht]

there’s a ‘comp’ build console players use with the named chest piece though that’s about it

[solar sable]

such a good roll to be a bad piece of gear lol

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[hasty sluice]

Is the shield splinterer a decent gun still. trying to find an ar to use on striker

was using burn out but it feels kinda eh

[tulip charm]

yes its still good

[rich cosmos]

Famas and f2000 are still some of the best ars

[magic pilot]

shield splinterer really good still, optimist got a buff but f2k got a slight nerf

[magic pilot]

the only screenshots ive seen of him using this are on a boss after all the ADs are dead. The boss also regens health making it super easy to stack backfire, id enjoy watching a full DUA run using backfire only

[hasty sluice]

massive w

[round zinc]

yall didn’t ping me when the good stuff goes down😔

[cloud laurel]

Sure thing he lost to me in tidal with mod activated so idk what his proving but sure I’ll stop and enjoy my build lol

[solar sable]

It's like recommending NBB Striker's.

[shy willow]

Looks good for blue OD but that's pve

[hexed steppe]

oh lord, why do i miss all the good drama 🍿

[warm knot]

~~Did someone said drama? ~~ 🍿

Is there an updated buils spreadsheet already? I'm returning (kinda) and want to try new things.

[hexed steppe]

i dont think any builds have been added.
rifles had a big change withh ability to go full auto.
a8 has rifle buffs added along with the mmr buffs.
new exotic ar and holster supposed to be pretty good

od and hardwire buffs

[warm knot]

Isn't hardwire for pvp? I'm sorry I've been like 4 or 5 months away.

[rich lotus]

Hardwired is the new 6 red DPS apparently

[hexed steppe]

looks like some of the items have been added to the weapons list at a quick glance, so probably mid update

[rich lotus]

According to a discussion earlier

[hexed steppe]

oh really

[rich lotus]

Oh yeah

A discussion that cured my depression

[hexed steppe]

f, why am i always the last to know

[hexed steppe]

seeker /jammer spam type of build. they buffed how quick you can spam afaik

[rich lotus]

Shrapnel trap is the hidden tech no one’s talking about 😉

[hexed steppe]

i would look through the patch notes to get a better idea. was a pretty comprehensive rebalance #patch-notes message

[rich cosmos]

Are there any good pve builds that make use of blue cores and red cores that aren’t heartbreaker and striker, I need suggestions cause Im bored

[hexed steppe]

i thought shrapnel traps were fixed for pvp like a year ago 🤔

[rich lotus]

@cloud laurel

[magic pilot]

Everything should be up to date on the sheet besides builds and base reload speeds

[hexed steppe]

nice 🍻

[rich cosmos]

Anyone other than that

[magic pilot]

Lmao

Blue FI or blue OD?

[rich cosmos]

Theres a blue FI?

[magic pilot]

Yesh

This is what I made but you'd probably want FI chest and BTSU, galvanize bp with foam, keep restorer hive

[rich cosmos]

Im assuming even with the buff that catharsis is still not great for pve?

[magic pilot]

Not really

I should test catharsis, see how many stacks to beat close range coyotes

[warm knot]

I see.... Then how the heck did you guys made a dps build out of it?

[rich lotus]

Oh we didn’t

Sorry that was a lie

[cloud laurel]

Here is a misleading; PFE with brand named using Scorpio that own in legendary

[cloud laurel]

Hii 2x uncle lol

[rich lotus]

Hiiii!!

I see you getting active in the community 💀

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[rich lotus]

A little too active

[cloud laurel]

I was bored because my load make me wait for 2hrs so I got nothing to do then misleading lol

[rich lotus]

Fantastic!

[rich cosmos]

Thinking I might just have to wait for lexington to make a new heartbreaker build then, memento is good enough to choose over a vigilance backpack on heartbreaker right?

[rich lotus]

A little trolling doesn’t hurt

[magic pilot]

Ehhh yes and no

[hexed steppe]

with hb protecting vigilance , memento seems a little out of place. plus leaves you further crit starved

[magic pilot]

Memento better on striker tbh

Or umbra

[rich cosmos]

Man its hard to do a hybrid build thats not just ninjabike backpack losing out on massive damage

[hexed steppe]

i just put together an umbra set.. not half bad once you get past having to reactivate it everytime you go somewhere

[rich cosmos]

I like umbra but its so damn annoying

Unironically when are getting a triple core exotic that isn’t in the backpack slot

Like at this point just give us a mask that is just that and thats all thats special about it

[hexed steppe]

artist tool is pretty nice on this btw

but yeah, the cover mechanic really takes some getting used too

[rich cosmos]

Might just be condemned to permanently being stuck on strikers

[hexed steppe]

nah, get a nego set... join the dark side

or better yet, a mortar set

[rich cosmos]

Honestly my problem with nego is I just don’t make good use out of the gimmick

I don’t think its bad I just don’t use it well enough

[hexed steppe]

its good if you have the spawns down. if you get a good spray into a spawn you just focus biggest health pools

you kinda get used tto shifting targets as the main target gets low

[rich cosmos]

I still hope for another card themed gearset

Or even an exotic

Aces is fun but at the end of the day its literally just shoot enemy for damage

Would be cool to get another card themed set for ars and lmgs

[wise swallow]

still not done?

[rich cosmos]

About?

I wont stop bringing up lexington because its what Ive been waiting for for years

[wise swallow]

lexington

[rich cosmos]

Well yeah, Im just obsessed with it

Really nothing more than that

[wise swallow]

well no shit

[rich cosmos]

Then why’d you ask

Anyways

Is hunter killer worth getting?

Seems kinda interesting, don’t know if perfect intimidate is worth

[fresh fox]

only if you need a golan

[wise swallow]

cuz im amazed your still not done slobbing on lexington

[wise swallow]

worth getting yes. worth going insane over grinding, no

[rich cosmos]

I’ll pass then

I was wondering why Ive never seen people talk about it then I saw the current version of the talent

[warm knot]

Depends on. For HF I'd say no. Get a ceska for shotguns or sokolov for smgs.

[rich cosmos]

Wasn’t planning on hunters fury anyways

[hexed steppe]

thats basically all it synergizes with, adreneline rush or memento on hf

[warm knot]

Yeah but I never heard of anyone using it HK on HF...

[hexed steppe]

the whole talent used to be a lot stronger.

but i agree crit is better

[magic pilot]

The problem is that normal intimidate is stronger on a crit build

Intimidate itself is super strong

P intimidate only good if you already plan to use Golan

Or headshot

[hexed steppe]

i dont even remember the last time i ran hf tbh

[rich cosmos]

Hf just seems kinda meh to me

I don’t doubt its good but

You could just use something else

[hexed steppe]

before hb, and striker rework it was one of the strongest

[rich cosmos]

Yeah fair

I personally kinda wish the HB nerf never happened

The 2% stack decrease still hurts

[magic pilot]

I would run crit HF if HHF wasn't so good for solo open world

[warm knot]

Depends on what you're using it for. I can just mow through everything on legendary the summit +directives with shotguns only HF. I use a bm sasg12. Even for group heroic missions I still get more kills and dmg than most players. But for legendary strongholds and some areas in open world it just doesn't works.

[magic pilot]

No tsunami?

[warm knot]

Tsunami is cool, I use it sometimes. But my fav is the bm sasg12 with brazen

Or the 870.

[long marlin]

just curious getting back into div2 whats the goto for dps atm?

[warm knot]

Before you say something. Yes Ik the HH version exists.

[rich acorn]

Will the D2 Build Tool site be updated again, or is there another site on par with Mobalytics??

[fresh fox]

it’ll be updated or something

[magic pilot]

if you use brazen might as well go with like glue

[warm knot]

Not sure how's it after the rework, but it was worse than the sasg12, both in damage and reload.

I just threw it away

Yup, now it has more damage than my exp14 sasg12. The reload still bothers me tho.

[clever merlin]

HF with some passive modifiers is insane

[hasty sluice]

suprisingly disapointed in the damge of this build

the idea is funny but that staus duration just isnt

even with firewall+ exuro + 60% staus it just doesnt last as long as I need it to.

nor is the damage super consistant.

[rich lotus]

Run it with Firewall shield and use your Flamethrower

Might as well replace the Exuro with 2pc Tips then too

I remember running that for Golden Bullet a while back

Fun build

But without infinite spec ammo I doubt it would function the same 😛

[red island]

aight you made me want to try the ep build

[hexed steppe]

What's so surprising about that? Non optimal for anything. Status but no skilltiers. Subpar setup. No synergy at all. You could probably just throw creeping death on a standard dps and have similar results.
Focus on fire sticky/fire chem, use skilltiers, use vile, use capacitor so your fire can double dip status and skill damage + 12%dta and profit.
👴

[magic pilot]

They are within 1% for burst dps

[fresh fox]

but which one is better 🙄🙄🙄

exactly

[red island]

wasnt firmshake was buffed ? wouldnt it be good in the ep build now ?

[fresh fox]

yes but it’s still not enough to warrant using over an electrique

unless you are like lady death speedrun or something

[limber raven]

best skills for dz/conflict with this build ?

[fresh fox]

use a capacitor and get some skill tiers

then use like a explosive sticky bomb and some other damaging skill

or like whatever you want idgaf

[limber raven]

why waste red on skill tiers

loose dmg on capacitor for no reason

when is a crit build

[fresh fox]

good skill damage

you already get a lot of crit from umbra as well

and you are already have 3 skill tiers even with this setup

even on red builds capacitor does a billion damage because of the dta + dttoc combo

[bronze hound]

is ouro still the best smg

[magic pilot]

Basically

[bronze hound]

cool

[magic pilot]

Fire sticky and defender drone

[bronze hound]

whats the new gearset

[magic pilot]

DOA

[bronze hound]

yikes

that bad?

how bad are we talking like rigger bad

[rich cosmos]

New gearset is themed around swapping weapons Im pretty sure

Idk either the exotic holster or gearset is swap and range based

Don’t remember which is which

[magic pilot]

Gearset is range and swapping

Versatile gearset

[bronze hound]

so yeah totally DOA

love to see it

[rich cosmos]

Just another filler set that 5 people will use in one specific situation

[magic pilot]

Needs 5 kills to active iirc

[warm knot]

Also, the iron lung status damage is mediocre. It isn't really made for that. Try the courier + 1 eletrique and 4x eclipse including the chest piece. Skill tier, haste and status everywhere. Use proper fire starter skills such as chem launcher, molotovs from survivalist or sticky bomb.

[spark valley]

has anyone tried the AUG since the update? on paper looks pretty good

[magic pilot]

I have yes

[spark valley]

how did you find it

[magic pilot]

It's decent

The accuracy hurts a lot

[spark valley]

worse than capacitor?

[magic pilot]

I ran invisible hand

It's nice that you can use +15 round mag so faster reload

Yea def, I like capacitors handling

[spark valley]

would invisible hand really be worth it over optimist

i suppose helps with its shit burst damage

[onyx sage]

it's +22% rof right?

[spark valley]

15%

[onyx sage]

or less

[spark valley]

thought it was only 7%, too used to descent

[onyx sage]

hmm, so that's around 13% increase in burst

[fresh fox]

it’s meta

[spark valley]

but yeah it's not the accuracy its the stability its terrible

[onyx sage]

around the best for weapon talents besides the status effects ones

[spark valley]

just tried it in game, that shit sprints to the right

[fresh fox]

i’m using the 3pc on my iron horse pipe breaker build so it has 1 use case i guess :DDD

[spark valley]

yeah at 15% fs, got confused

[onyx sage]

yeah i'm accounting for striker which is why i say around

[magic pilot]

Stability is not an issue

[onyx sage]

if it's the only rof increase it'd be 15%

[magic pilot]

On high end it's super good

And for pvp but I'm not sure how it stacks against shield splinterer

And it has higher mag size and better reload speed than any other AR (with plus 15)

[spark valley]

accuracy is the reticle spread, stability is the actual movement of the reticle

the accuracy at least to me seems pretty similar to the capacitor, while the reticle has got as much bounce as the big horn

[magic pilot]

No...

Stability is recoil is that what you mean?

[spark valley]

yes

[magic pilot]

Yea recoil is like non existent in this game

Especially on mnk

[flat remnant]

Eagle bearer ?

[spark valley]

to say that all recoil doesnt matter tho is disingenuous

also opinion based

[magic pilot]

I would say almost all of people I play with would agree

[spark valley]

doesnt mean its objectively true

[magic pilot]

You are on console it's different

If you can't control recoil in this game you are gonna struggle hard in anything with actual recoil

[spark valley]

the only objective truth is how many shots you land, which "i would say almost all of people i play with would agree", is less when you have more recoil

[spark valley]

other games have different mechanics, i play games where recoil is a much more prominent part with no issues

[magic pilot]

The biggest issue with landing shots is the accuracy since there's no amount of control that will make you land more shots when it's RNG

[spark valley]

invisble hand actually seems to have pretty consistent recoil, compared to like bighonr

[magic pilot]

Bighorn is significantly more accurate and less recoil

[spark valley]

i know, im saying the recoil seems less consistent tho

i just did a spray test of both side by side and thats how it looked to me

[magic pilot]

The recoil would be more consistent on bighorn it has handling mods

[spark valley]

i had handling scope to compensate for +10% on bh

[rich cosmos]

I wish we had a gearset that functioned like memento or that one directive

[magic pilot]

Which one

[hexed steppe]

using courier on fire build is about as bad as using iron lung on ep... you give up a 30% amp for spread that is gonna happen regardless of the talent. courier only ok on cc eclipse, but even then, opportunistic can outshine since cc is team oriented and team buffs let your team melt things

[spark valley]

sorry misread this

[rich cosmos]

The one where you need to kill enemies and pick up buffs to get your skills

[magic pilot]

Bighorn is 20% accuracy and stability btw

[magic pilot]

Scavenge skills

[spark valley]

accuracy isnt a big deal tho unless ur fighting at range or going for strictly headshots

[magic pilot]

Yea I like that one a lot, honeslty a plus

[warm knot]

Actually thats a cc build, yes.

[magic pilot]

You mean for invisible hand?

[spark valley]

no i mean on anything

[magic pilot]

Ehhh yes and no

[rich cosmos]

I wish we had a gearset that worked like scavenge skills/memneto, would be nice

[magic pilot]

For legendary most fights are longer range so the accuracy helps

[spark valley]

ngl ive been thinking about pvp most of this time

[magic pilot]

If they made a set around skill kills reducing the cooldown and giving some sort of group buff or team bonus would be cool

[magic pilot]

Then yea the accuracy is not needed unless headshot

[spark valley]

thats my b forgot channel

[warm knot]

For damage you'd have to use something else like vile.

[magic pilot]

All good

So I can't say this guys name lmao

[hexed steppe]

fire skills suggested are damage .

[spark valley]

yeah stability isnt as big a deal in pve as pvp i can kinda see what u mean more now about invis hand

[magic pilot]

Cry-pto uses invisible hand in Dz I'm pretty sure

[warm knot]

For cc I use the shock trap+fire chem

[magic pilot]

I can't say his name without the dash

Annoying as hell

[spark valley]

probably to avoid scams

[warm knot]

The riot foam might work as well

[magic pilot]

You can't say the building summit is in either lol

Touches the sky

[flat remnant]

controling recoil easy

[spark valley]

scrapes it even?

[hexed steppe]

so youll partially burn them, and let your team finish off instead of, you know, just hitting them with strong fire?

[magic pilot]

Preaching to the choir

[magic pilot]

Potentially

[rich cosmos]

Gearset themed around turning oxidizer into a burst damage option?

[flat remnant]

it is easy to control tho

[magic pilot]

Basically

[magic pilot]

??? That's literally what I'm saying

[rich cosmos]

I was suggesting it as an idea

[spark valley]

depends on the gun, eb yes, bighorn much less so

[hexed steppe]

foam/shock/emp all effective cc. if using fire youre just better off with the ep bag, hands down

[warm knot]

Yup, I burn them and they just jump out of cover. Also the shock trap stops the drones.

And the fire makes them still for a while

[spark valley]

easier than most games and for pve not gonna make a difference, but for pvp i generally dont run low stability guns

[magic pilot]

Fire is fine for heroic but on leg it won't last long at all, different hazpro lvls

[magic pilot]

Usually there is better options anyway

[hexed steppe]

strong fire has them die behind cover...

[rich cosmos]

I want to see a dps gearset that actually makes your weapon handling worse in exchange for higher headshot damage, more kills you get raise your weapon handling and headshot damage

[magic pilot]

Call the 4pc "dialed in"

[rich cosmos]

That or a weapon talent

[warm knot]

Hiw do I do that btw? Ik it has something to do with vile and that named Scar, i have it but forgot the name.

[magic pilot]

We need the poison weapon dmg talent rn

[rich cosmos]

I want to see gearsets mess with negative player effects in exchange for extremely strong player buffs

[magic pilot]

No disorient dmg talent either

[warm knot]

Scorpio jk

[magic pilot]

How am I supposed to get a 25% on disurpted enemies

[rich cosmos]

I still want oxidizer to have a more universal role, like maybe a gearset similar to ongoing directive but altered to be more in tune with actually using your skill

[hexed steppe]

no, just need standard eclipse with ep bag. use capacitor or insync shotgun. the dta from either boosts fire. fire double dips status effects and skill damage as long as the skill damage is stacked before fire is deployed

[onyx sage]

my dream:

[rich cosmos]

Does the quick fire sticky bomb not damage the user?

Like I attach it to a target

And it doesn’t damage the target its attached to

[onyx sage]

the burn sticky?

[rich cosmos]

Explosive

[warm knot]

Hmmmmm I'll have to try that when I get home. Except for the bag I have everything else.

[onyx sage]

that one and the emp don't

only burn damages when you stick with quick fire

[hexed steppe]

yeah the bag is like having perfect glass but with no downside

[rich cosmos]

GUH???

[onyx sage]

explosive sticky you have to detonate

[rich cosmos]

Your telling me, the explosive, doesn’t hurt the person its attached to?

[onyx sage]

nope, have to detonate to deal damage

[rich cosmos]

Thats wild

Like why