td2-build-advice

[dreamy valve]

If you have 3pc Legmo with Backbone, The Sacrafice, Foxes and Contractors all maxed out on red attributes, then dtooc on Pesti with the highest expertise level you can get on it

I think you can do better than YouTuber

[raw dagger]

yea no shit

8mil dps for pestilence is crazy

imagine an entire build to do mediocre dps

thing needs damage, not fire rate

[dreamy valve]

What is 8 mill damage in? Per second or what

[raw dagger]

per second

im just testing for sustain dps in range

but if it does same damage for an exotic ar 1 mag, idt its promising

im testing a diff build for it see if its better

cus 4 piece umbra and 2 piece striker is super doo doo

[dreamy valve]

I prefer live testing for my builds. Much more practical application in a live setting than just focusing on the numbers at the range, cause those numbers are not accurate at all

[raw dagger]

yea, my build is far better than this

[raw dagger]

well it reflects per target

but yea i changed to lengmo and im doing 10 mil

[dreamy valve]

There’s also the tick damage, which can goes upward of 1.8 mill per tick, that thing also adds up during a fight even more now since it also ticks faster

[raw dagger]

that explains the firerate build

maybe useful for more tanky bros

cus normal adds are dying too fast before the thing can tick

heartbreaker also works

[dreamy valve]

Spray it on everyone, it’ll stack up to multiple targets

[raw dagger]

and the tick are healing me too, i think hb is good

shoot and go back to cover and start healing, this is big brain

[dreamy valve]

Pesti is the weapon of the year for Div 2

[raw dagger]

yea, this thing is better with hb than umbra i feel like

[dreamy valve]

Hb is easier to proc its buffs than Umbra anyways

Less steps to do it

Just shoot ahahahah

[raw dagger]

and the heals bro this thing HEALS CRAZY with hb

[dreamy valve]

Brrrt heals

My rifle builds have taken a lower priority because of this weapon and one other LMG with Ongoing Directive

[raw dagger]

it also got buffed as well

well one thing i can see different from rifles is that its not killing as fast fs

[dreamy valve]

group with me in a mission, I will put dps and out kill you with my Pesti build if you use any rifle build

[raw dagger]

its easier to use and far better survivability fs

[raw dagger]

idk, im one clicking heroics and legendaries

and been abusing m16 on countdown with 1.7-1.8 bil average dmg, i think im doing pretty ok

[dreamy valve]

The Pesti is a one man army, it’s gunna steal kill everything

[raw dagger]

ima do a run in countdown and see my average damage

its gonna be really good on hunters fs

[hexed steppe]

its still similar damage to m700 carbon. they are a lot closer in damage than before patch. m700 carbon just has a little bit more base damage now

[raw dagger]

dw about my performance, im hitting consistent headshot with m16 so pesti should be far easier to do

[dreamy valve]

I do like the mag size on the carbon

[hazy steeple]

People are willingly using the m16 in div2, and the Dark Winter is getting recommended by people that aren't me.
we are truly in strange times.

[raw dagger]

all it takes is buffing it damage and bringing 300 to 400 rpm

suddenly its top dog in burst dps :v

[dreamy valve]

Whatever you’re doing with m16, you can triple your output with Pest

[raw dagger]

well see

[dreamy valve]

You have to look past pure numbers to get it bro

[raw dagger]

well if im doing more numbers and killing enemies faster than ppl around me, sthing tells me im not wrong

[hazy steeple]

What are you both using to test these builds?

[dreamy valve]

Some players are just better than others like you and me

[raw dagger]

countdown

[raw dagger]

well yea and im tryna push the performance of anything i use to optimal

and im tryna doing it with pesti and hb

tho not ur build yet cus i dont got all the stuff

[dreamy valve]

Well you can use hb for now, but just know you are still trading damage for the survivability

[raw dagger]

yea

[hazy steeple]

Ah yeah I thought that was the case.
Countdown is actually a terrible place to test builds, since the scaling and buffs make it wildly inconsistent.

(the firing range is also kinda wonky, since the numbers are....well, wonky)

I'm sure the guns are great and all, but if you're trying to make sure you are getting meta-meta, it's imperfect.

[dreamy valve]

If M4J0RX is soloing Legendary Manning Zoo and Tidal Basin by themselves, then I think we can cut them some slack from soloing Countdown to test builds

[hazy steeple]

Very much not my point, but sure whatever.

[dreamy valve]

Mwahaha, isn’t that right M4J0RX?

[raw dagger]

idgi sr :v

but im doing very promising damage

1 mil per tick💀

1bil3

not bad at all with hb

i can see it being way better with lengmo

[mild loom]

Could you share this build

[potent swallow]

Hey ! There is some French there ? I need some advice about a build

[raw dagger]

just ace of eight and m16

with ninja and 2 piece breaking point, ive seen some others use eagle grasp and fox

[potent swallow]

Someone have some advice about a dps/support build ?

I play with the turret and drone

I want to heal others, doing damage with my turret but i don't want to be useless

So i want to make some damage by myself

[junior surge]

Try skill damage Future Initiative maybe. 4 pieces Future Initiative, BTSU Gloves and maybe a wyvern backpack with either tech support or combined arms, or a Percussive Maintenance. I recommend rolling everything to skill damage and using skill repair mods on chest, back and mask. Capacitor for main weapon and restorer hive and assault turret for skills. You can run it with technician or survivalist.

Alternatively, you can make a seeker mine spam build with hardwired. 4pc hard wired, glass cannon china light chest, btsu gloves. Seeker mines and restorer hive. E erything rolled to skill damage, skill repair mods. You keep resetting the cooldown of the mines by picking up and putting down the hive, and can spam them.

[potent swallow]

I'm not sure about the BTSU gloves cuz i'm not playing with the mines and if i understand well the gloves are optimized for the mines

I'm already farming for the Future Initiative, i've wanted to farm for the Blue Screen LMG but i don't know if that's the best

[junior surge]

The gloves are not optimized for mines, their main purpose is giving you more hive skill haste and letting you overcharge your and your teams skills, aswell as resetting their cooldown.

Btsu glives are a staple on healer builds because they give you your hive charges back much faster, and the overcharge provides a lot of value to team. It's often used to reset reviver hive cooldowns for your teammates.

[potent swallow]

Oh ok ! That's better than i thoughts

[west trellis]

I've been trying to get use out of mosquito any suggestions on how to improve this tank build ?

[devout iris]

What attributes should I put on my strega? Cause I'm using it along with negotiator

[dreamy valve]

Damage to target out of cover

[devout iris]

That's something I would've guessed but now I gotta reconfigure it till I get it cause I'm only getting other attributes and not DTTOC

Cause I had to burn so much of my metal till I finally got DTTOC

[patent fossil]

note that the final stage of the season journey has a task to reconfigure exotics, I'm saving sorting out my strega and cent hoslter until then

[brisk hollow]

What would be the best SMG for HF? I'm using a Dark winter, 4pcs HF and 2 pc Sokolov but I'd like to know if there is something that slaps harder.

Thanks. These are no SMG's though. ( nvm, i'm blind)

[raw dagger]

see the first one? thats clearly a vector

[brisk hollow]

Oh wow, my bad. Woopsie

[raw dagger]

:>

[brisk hollow]

Sorrrryyyyy 😂

um

It's classed as assault rifle though..

[raw dagger]

youd be surprised by the amount of people who use hunterfury with everything but smg

[brisk hollow]

I guess, but i'd like to maximize damage as much as possible, crit+chc

[eager cloak]

Hello everyone, anyone having success at using Turret&Drone build with Strega? TIL Strega can be activated by bullet from skills.

[raw dagger]

did they patch it ?

[eager cloak]

But it is in direct competition with Capacitor, I think Capacitor is still better.

[raw dagger]

capacitor is def better for skill build

and its not supposed to work like how it is with skill rn

so when they patch it, its not gonna be used as a comparison/competition to capacitor

[onyx sage]

if you want to maximize damage with smg you should be using striker, unless you mean something else

[waxen girder]

guys i cant find a good jammer build for legendary missions with skill dmg , any advice ?

[brisk hollow]

Right, I know striker is more powerful in the end, but it's hard to keep the stacks up ( I find it kinda difficult )

[onyx sage]

that's probably because the content is too squishy. then the question is do you really need all that damage?

[brisk hollow]

That, is an excellent question. Higher numbers go brrrrr 🤣 ....but I know what you mean. Hmm.

I just expected HF to hit harder up close compared to Striker since it's fully SMG based

But I find it's not really overwhelming, even with fully upgraded Dark winter

[tulip charm]

Eclipse

[waxen girder]

waw.

[versed summit]

Waluigi?

[pastel crane]

Since Aces now hasd Rifles as part of its gear set bonuses, what pieces are recommended to make use of the build? I already have Fox's Prayer/Eagle's Grasp in mind

[onyx sage]

well it's not really "SMG-based", or even shotgun-based. the bonuses for smg and shotgun are relatively minuscule, the set just hovers around "you kill at close range, you get huge rewards"

the 4p bonus works for every weapon in the game

[fresh fox]

neither of those because they would take away from being able to use a damage talent bp/chest

the only one you would really use is like chest

so like 4pc with chest + foxes + providence vigi bag

something like that

[pastel crane]

Ok

[brisk hollow]

I guess that is true. I like your view on the subject, it's rather refreshing. In your eyes, what does Striker hover around then?

[onyx sage]

striker is a set that really centers around your ability to do many hits in a short timeframe. if you can do that easily then it performs better. it's rather vague so let's drill it down little by little. if you have content where the ads die too fast so you can't stack as much then striker isn't really going to perform that well there, either HF or high end or OD will perform better. but conversely, in this sort of content, because ads die fast, sets that proc on kill will perform very admirably.

these sets reward you on kill and tend to be the fastest killing sets, but they don't really have the "highest damage numbers" (unless you count headhunter)

[brisk hollow]

That makes sense. I guess that's where the balance is situated around then. Very interesting. Thank you for explaining!

So eventually, it comes down to what enemies you encounter...those that take alot of bullets = Striker..those that are ''easier'' = HF

[rich lotus]

Exuro fire turret build = all content

[onyx sage]

why aren't you bringing it to zoo sir

[rich lotus]

because I don’t want you to feel useless and stupid after I obliterate every ad in sight before you can ADS your elmo

see im a nice person

beating the allegations

[onyx sage]

you're not beating the goat allegations

oh my gyatt it's the goat

[covert meadow]

What's the strongest build i can use for lmg...?

[patent fossil]

Probably nego since you can keep damaging enemies after you've suppressed them so that mitigates one of the most annoying aspects of lmgs.
Ongoing Directive would also be a good pick because Carnage and/or large mag sizes.

[covert meadow]

@patent fossil ok tyvm for helping

[sullen sun]

Question

Can you run ceska/spotter w HB?

[hexed steppe]

yes. hb procs pulse so spotter should be active most of the time. i think hb chest is more damage though

[hexed steppe]

ceska vigilance bag /hb chest will be a stronger combo

[sullen sun]

You must be lookin for brownie points tn 😏

[hexed steppe]

always 😎

[sullen sun]

What’s everyone’s thoughts on the Strega? Good with ND?

[solar sable]

haven't tried it, but it seems to fit anatomically

[shy willow]

From what I've seen HF and ND are great options

[rich lotus]

better to be at 57/160 or 63/150?

[solar sable]

you can't go higher than 60% CHC, so...

[rich lotus]

sorry messed up my numbers

[rich lotus]

just wondering if the extra 3% chc is worth the -10% chd, rather than the opposite

[solar sable]

eh, stay with 57 I'd say

it's almost the same tbh

[versed summit]

You can multiply them together to find the better ratio. But yeah 60/150 ofc

[rich lotus]

yeah 63/150 is better by a good 1.8k damage on average lol

easier tho, since im at 63 rn anyways

dont have to mess with all of my rolls on gear

[boreal ingot]

can pestilence trigger ongoing directive? not sure if it debuff count toward outgoing kill to get bleed bullet or not

[hazy steeple]

@boreal ingot Pestilence is weapon damage, OD needs Status Damage.

[boreal ingot]

I know that much but not sure if debuff count toward od or not, good to know. Well guess have yo go back and stick to my iron lung or bluescreen 😛

[hazy steeple]

Pesti not being status damage despite having pestilence in the name has tripped up many an Agent.

[rich lotus]

63/122 is the max i can attain, thoughts?

actually isnt 57/134 better than 60/122

[hazy steeple]

60% is the hard cap for chc (crit chance), you can not go above 60%.
The only exception to this rule is if a Talent says "guaranteed critical".

[rich lotus]

yea i meant 60, not 63

higher the number the better right?

multiplying chc and chd^

[hazy steeple]

Honestly, the base chc being higher than the base chd is actually better, since even at max, you still have a 40% chance per shot to not crit.

that's a 2/5 chance to waste both stats.

[rich lotus]

isnt chc calculated per shot, and not per 100 rounds

[hazy steeple]

That is what I said.

[rich lotus]

perfect, i dont have to go find another piece of gear with chd instead of chc LOL

[hazy steeple]

CHD has diminishing returns, but you still need a good solid base. Which is why the 60/150 is suggested, as it's not wasting too much, and you still have other attributes to round out your build more.
Weapon Handling is underrated but always appreciated, once you have your main stats sorted out.

You also get a free 10% chc and 20% chd from your SHD watch, so you can factor that in to your total build if you don't have it yet.

[rich lotus]

ill be under on chd, since im running green armour rather than gold

hence why im capped at 122, rather than higher

[rich lotus]

oh this is what i didnt do

oops, shoot, well erm-

[hazy steeple]

You'd be shocked at how much higher your overall DPS will be once you get the crit stats sorted out.

don't worry, there is 0 rush.

[rich lotus]

optimally im lookin at 60/166 then

if we're including shd watch, that one i did forget abt

[hazy steeple]

Seems like it'll be a solid build, assuming you aren't using Coyotes Mask which only really needs 50-55 chc when used with an AR

[rich lotus]

im includin the mid-range coyote's buffs in the ratio, without it, itll be 51/156

[hazy steeple]

With Coyotes, it's smart to be a little above the buff, just in case you stray slightly out of the ideal range. Which can happen more than you think.
So between 50-55 before the buffs is ideal. 51 seems perfectly fine overall, you can probably squeeze out that extra few % later on.
What's the rest of the build?

[rich lotus]

4x striker backpack, ceska obliterate, st elmos

still undecided on secondary

also trying to get orbit rather than tdi kard for pistol

[hazy steeple]

There's a build for striker that's very meta, 📌 pinned in this channel > spreadsheet 2. It has a great selection of options+alternate choices for the build.
I highly recommend checking it out, it'll likely help much more than I could in this channel.
gotta duck off for now, gl Agent, happy hunting!

[azure iron]

what would the best gear be for an armor/survivability build?

[versed summit]

Sort of depends what you're using it for

[azure iron]

probably gonna run DZ Rouge or general high-tier content with it

[versed summit]

Optimally you have different builds for those.

for DZ, you can go full regen with 3 pc Gila Guard, 2pc Golan Gear, and 1 pc Belstone Armory.

hazpro armor regen everywhere, or hazpro HSD.

perfect efficient and ad rush are optimal.

For LZ, you really don't want a tank, so if you're sold on taking one, this is probably the best you can do. 1.16 PFE Regen Vanguard/Galvanise

[chilly tendon]

hi what's max dps AR tu22?

[versed summit]

They're all pretty balanced

[boreal ingot]

What is the best build against those annoying modifiers. That mid range reflect is the most annoying chit, try to stay long range but room too small, go short range and rgey gang up on u 😛

[versed summit]

Headhunter

They can't have modifiers if they're dead

[dreamy valve]

Yeah go very long range HH or very short range HH

[eager cloak]

Hello pro gamers, I saved 2 google docs detailing all the gears, talents and stuffs, they were my theory crafting tools, now all of them are abandoned, are there any alternatives?

One of them is this.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?gid=1380412817#gid=1380412817

[hazy steeple]

Uh the doc you linked is the official server one, it 100% has not been abandoned.

[vocal apex]

i need help with stash and inventory managment can someone help me pls

[eager cloak]

Really? The info in this doc only up to dates to TU20, according to changelog.

They are never updated since feb.

[hazy steeple]

div2 doesn't really go through massively quick updates. Some of it has, I assume more of it will, when the people doing it have the time. It isn't a job or anything.
a lot of the builds have been updated, in particular ones by @urban latch.

[eager cloak]

I just double check the content, missing several exotics, talents is also missing quite a few.

[hazy steeple]

I can't stay for long, but here is the fastest way to clear junk out of your stash+inventory.
Is it lvl 40, is it gold/gearset/exotic? If the answer is no, you can pretty much just junk it.

[eager cloak]

And the number is also wrong.

[urban latch]

yeah, the weapon damage numbers espesically are out of date

[eager cloak]

Perfect Brazen is now 3.5% per stacks.

[eager cloak]

Yeah, when new stuffs are coming, this doc will announce a Pending state, then it will be updated eventually.

Haven't saw the maintainer of this doc announcing a Pending state to TU22 stuff.

So I think those docs are abandoned.

[hazy steeple]

I'm sure Azur is busy, they're kinda the one left doing it now AFAIK.

[eager cloak]

Another one is this doc.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTJEX5DerCvOj3a_m36TRy1gPBAUvrduOIdmXI9j1Y0MpQk1wIXaZ9KOcPa7HzXzp_N5qGmjDj6yEfL/pubhtml#

This one is a little bit better, since it has complete TU20 stuff.

I guess we don't have alternatives then.

[hazy steeple]

Div2 is pretty old now, and was kinda supposed to be dead a few years ago, before MSV pulled it back.
Ultimately, it's a free resource, and while yeah it's nice to have, it's not something owed to us. It's a labour of love by community members, most of which have sorta just moved on.
A discussion on what to do with it has been floating around for a while now, I'm sure it'll eventually get straightened out.

[eager cloak]

I love their datamined stuff, especially the targeted loot drop rate, and exotic drop rate.

Yeah since they have datamined stuff, kinda want to ask them if they have ripped countdown OST, the now released OST on the streaming platform is fully remixed and is not the same as the one in the game.

[hazy steeple]

That would be piracy.

I don't believe anything is actually datamined, it's just "worked out".

[eager cloak]

There used to have one on youtube, but it was taken down.
Ok I think this is not in the topic of build advice, I'll stop now.

[timber crest]

Whats a good armor regen build, when running a shield and pistol¿ i was running catharsis before, someone suggested momento exotic backpack. Also got suggested to use gunner. But I main technician. Was told heartbreak gear set was good for what I'm trying. I'm shd lvl 123 and still sort of a noob.

[latent bough]

So all the updated builds are marked with Y6S1 right ?

[versed summit]

I'm not sure any builds have been updated, but nothing substantial has really changed.

[latent bough]

Sad, was hoping new builds would emerge

[versed summit]

Heartbreaker, Ongoing Directive and Umbra Initiative are better now, but only OD builds are differenty

[magic pilot]

I'd be willing to help update the sheets tbh

[versed summit]

As would I

[magic pilot]

Do you mind formatting the build so it's not in a video?

[hazy steeple]

@maiden wedge Unfortunately, no links to personal channels.

here's a screenshot of the build instead:

[maiden wedge]

my bad thanks!

[chilly tendon]

@versed summit thanks

[vocal apex]

its all gold lvl 40 or exotic

[magic pilot]

I would swap the back for striker and run a HE chest

[lone lion]

whats he?

[versed summit]

High End

[lone lion]

oh obviously, my bad

[dreamy valve]

Anyone use Acosta’s Kneepads?

[versed summit]

Not really

[dreamy valve]

So Striker bonus damage works with Pestilence?

[maiden wedge]

Yes

[maiden wedge]

It’s kinda a run and gun style but that is interesting. I will play around with it and see if that fits my play style

[dreamy valve]

Oohh I’ll check it out

[magic pilot]

No lol

[magic pilot]

Not in the way he's asking

[rich lotus]

I wanna make a Pestillence build so bad but everytime I see one drop I’m just conditioned to deconstruct it immediately 😩

[magic pilot]

Same

[onyx sage]

it does work with OD, surprisingly

[rich lotus]

it doesn't stack with pesti stacks tho does it

i thought they had capped that

[onyx sage]

striker stacks do not boost pesti ticks yeah

[rich lotus]

something abt strikers being multiplicative and pesti is additive or something like that

[onyx sage]

no, none of that

it's just striker amp doesn't work with it, other amps do

"multiplicative" and "additive" are also misleading words, since every stat is multiplicative

[rich lotus]

difference is that striker is multiplicative against itself tho no?

[onyx sage]

no

[rich lotus]

oh gosh

[onyx sage]

striker is additive to itself and multiplicative to everything else

don't abuse those terms

OD for example is an amp and yet it boosts pesti ticks, striker just doesn't

it's not really "multiplicative" or any of that bullshit

[solar sable]

sir, don't be so aggressive

[rich lotus]

agree

can we ban this guy rotor blades

fr a bully

1 stack gives 1.005, 2 stacks give 1.010025, how is that not multiplied against itself lol

no it does not

or well it's 1.0065 but, you get it

????

[onyx sage]

no, it's 1 + 0.0065 * n

if you actually test you would see this is how it holds

[rich lotus]

just using .5% for easier math

[onyx sage]

it doesn't multiply with itself is basically the point

not anymore

[rich lotus]

can we go back to exponential buffs pls

miss broken hb

[onyx sage]

fox is multiplicative

[clever merlin]

using umbra new holster and impatient modifier on dark winter

[rich lotus]

bros going thru one mag per second 😭

[solar sable]

I actually loved chatterbox's buff, I can now get to use it on Heroic without refilling ammo in a while

[onyx sage]

okay i know broken is your uncle

[clever merlin]

its pretty funny and stupid at the same time though

[rich lotus]

could be used for the fastest striker stack building ever LMAO

2.7 seconds full stack

[rich lotus]

bru

[onyx sage]

kids these days are so good, i'm washed

[rich lotus]

yeah you need to retire

giga unc

arthritis kicking in thats why you can only use elmos

[onyx sage]

i'll retire when you stop grinding icnursion

[onyx sage]

bro did NOT say he doesn't watch me anymore

i've been going back to famas bro

[dreamy valve]

Wait how

[rich lotus]

yes how bro pls explain??

[onyx sage]

while you have OD rounds, your ticks go up. just the base 20% though

OD chest doesn't buff it

[dreamy valve]

Oh, that’s it

[rich lotus]

rotor whats the go to OD build, 4 piece with chest ceska wicked and contractors?

[onyx sage]

contractor or coyote would work, contractor locks you to carnage

[rich lotus]

i should probably see if i want to use carnage or not good call

dunno why i had my head set on carnage now that i tried it, the damage seems pretty low. what do you suggest?

[onyx sage]

carnage when you get bleed rounds is pretty strong, without it it's weak

[magic pilot]

Carnage will out dps ARs

Damage per shot is lower

[undone junco]

I've not played for a long time and it looks like I have striker set and after looking at some builds from the link in the pinned messages, it doesnt seem like LMG is used anymore, is this true?

[glad heart]

Everyone has an opinion on this, and mine is that LMGs are most effective when fired at you, rather than you firing it. I think, other than magazine capacity, that a decent AR (i.e. St Elmo's Engine, FAMAS) on a solid build is a better bet.

[undone junco]

alright cool

[rich cosmos]

St elmo, the gun that has 70 rounds

Lol

[unkempt shell]

Mmmm right ok sure it does lol let’s see what happens if I use true patriot and eagle grasp on it lol

[rich cosmos]

Not worth

[unkempt shell]

Really

[rich cosmos]

Eagles grasp is a waste on it

[unkempt shell]

na it isn’t

I use it on the Strega with true patriot it works hella good

[rich cosmos]

Elmo is already controllable

[unkempt shell]

Na it shit

I used it Strega is way easier

[rich cosmos]

If you want an lmg that controls more like an ar use bluescreen

[unkempt shell]

And it hella beautiful and amazing

[rich cosmos]

Unless they tripled its handling after the update thats straight up cap

[unkempt shell]

I have it at 130k dps

[unkempt shell]

Tried it dog water

[rich cosmos]

Show it with no additional weapon handling

Need video evidence of this

[unkempt shell]

na I’m in bed not on my Xbox

Try the Strega it handles better

[rich lotus]

Elmo is kinda meh now, long live EB

[unkempt shell]

Eb

[rich cosmos]

It always was meh

[unkempt shell]

Oh eagle bearer

Still testing stuff out

[rich cosmos]

Please use xbox app

[unkempt shell]

And they say oroborus is dead lol

[unkempt shell]

na I’m not logging into the Xbox app

[rich cosmos]

Oreo is weaker, and other options are much stronger

[unkempt shell]

lol

[rich cosmos]

Just set it to keep you logged in?

[unkempt shell]

Funny it hits hard hell

[unkempt shell]

I don’t need to log in why do i

[rich cosmos]

You are very confusing

[unkempt shell]

So are u ya adorable beano lol

[rich cosmos]

Please never utter those words again

[unkempt shell]

smiles

make me LOL

[tulip charm]

Id say they’re in a good place and are competitive. L86, Rpk, MG5, M249 and the exotics are strong. The only drawback is the suppression mechanic and the reload for big mag lmgs.

[undone junco]

My MG5 I have has a reload of 2.8 sec is that slow?

it seems pretty fast

[hazy steeple]

Unless it's changed with attributes/mods, then every copy of a gun has the same reload time.

[tulip smelt]

MG5 reload speed was buffed a lot this patch, so it's faster than it was

[hazy steeple]

It was literally halved, IIRC.

5.6>2.8

[tulip smelt]

Yep. It's been my favorite lmg in the game for a long while. I used to use vedmed chest with it for a comfortable reload speed. This patch made that combo comically fast

[gentle lichen]

Chatterbox pretty much on equal ground if not better for the ammo on kill utility

[proper marten]

anyone got a good OD build? Used to be one of my faves even though it was never great.

[rich cosmos]

It was always decent but now its pretty strong

[proper marten]

really? didn't know they buffed it

but I don't have the faintest clue for a build, it's been like 1 1/2 years since I used it

[gentle lichen]

Chest is very much BIS

could use wicked for consistent damage or vigilance for highest damage

[proper marten]

gotcha, thanks

any weapon reccs? I've got some ideas, just looking for advice

[gentle lichen]

For this patch? I'm not sure myself honestly

[magic pilot]

Carnage @gentle lichen @proper marten

Coyotes and ceska wicked or vigi backpack

[magic pilot]

Turn off hdr

[undone junco]

Don't turn it off, just make sure you are running in windowed fullscreen

I had the same issue

[magic pilot]

The color grading is the same in any format in videos and screenshots

And you have to calibrate HDR in windows after turning it on in game, with a monitor that supports it

And the color in screenshots is still de-saturated

[undone junco]

it honestly works pretty well if you just make sure its in windowed fullscreen

[timber crest]

Anyone have suggestions for a good armor regen/bonus armor build using either catharsis mask or momento backpack¿

[round zinc]

its funny cuz EB is still worse than elmo

unless its pvp

idk bout pvp

[rich lotus]

Haha yeah, I was being silly

[onyx sage]

yooooo hi abyssal

[magic pilot]

EB definitely better in PvP

[proper marten]

'ello

[hybrid raptor]

I going to say what my character is using and can what I can of improve on that item or what I should replace it with pls

[tulip charm]

Pic pls or use mxswat build sheet

[dreamy valve]

damn im hitting 3 mill per shot with Artist Tool

[molten thorn]

Is the firefly like actually ever good or is it always outclassed by something else? I've never seen it suggested in any build videos or threads or anything.

[eager cloak]

Firefly in general explode on terrain impact, demolisher firefly kill itself when it destroy weak point that cause explosion.

I've tried to make them work, I made the conclusion that it is not worth the effort.

You could argue the only good one is blinder firefly, because white tusk heavy is resilient to many CC effect, blind status effect is not one of them.

[rich lotus]

demolisher is pretty handy for breaking weakpoints, even at tier 0 you can break every chunga pack

blinder has the longest blind duration in the game

pretty much always have to blind fire them out of cover

[marsh river]

are there any new build variations like headhunter hotshot but better, or is that still the best version of it

chainkiller determined

[modern radish]

I'm kinda thinking of replacing the Kingbreaker with the Strega on my Heartbreaker Build. Good idea or not?

[patent fossil]

you'll need a good aim to hit heads and another method of pulsing for enemies without heads (warhounds etc)

[marsh river]

i dont like strega

the perk doesnt compensate for the incredibly low crit chance it has

dark winter seems like the best gun in the game atm

[magic pilot]

For solo I can agree

Strega handling is super nice tbh

[wise swallow]

I like strega, also what happend with dark winter?

never saw any killer changes

[marsh river]

dark winter with striker and the new holtser its disgusting

[wise swallow]

so nothing with dark winter changed directly?

[marsh river]

i dont know

i tried it a bit and i cant see what else is better

[wise swallow]

im just asking if Vector got buffed or the killer talent changed

From what I can tell it hasnt

[marsh river]

with my setup now i am seeing over 1 mill dmg per bullet from dark winter, with 1650 RPM

brrrrrrrt

[wise swallow]

whats the new holster?

[patent fossil]

The killer talent got buffed massively

[marsh river]

i dont like the gimmick of spam swap all the time but it gives an absurd performance buff

[wise swallow]

what changed?

more chd?

[marsh river]

stonks

dark winter, striker, ceska obliterate chest, centurion holster

[wise swallow]

woah

godamn damn

whyd that type twice

[patent fossil]

yeah went from like 30/40% chd to 70/90%

[wise swallow]

yea

jesus christ more then double

[marsh river]

you know what

im gonna say it now, striker is going to still remain the number #1 dps build

after all the crap they pull trying to make nerfs and new gear, strikker will still win by far

[wise swallow]

idk, I feel like striker will still be near the top, just more inline with other top builds

[marsh river]

there is no way strega with negotiator can outmatch striker in overall imo

situational vs always extremely good

https://streamable.com/naatie look at this its broken

and yet hotshot beats that too

[patent fossil]

Striker maybe wins when you have enough tanky enemies to consistently have full stacks, but on lower difficulty and solo content other builds like nego and OD will clear faster due to more upfront damage. Nego also has the benefit of letting you bypass two of the annoying hostile modifiers

[marsh river]

i dont consider the modifiers to be real

i play with them turned off because its painfully obvious that this is the worst design decision that has ever happened in the history of gaming

💩

[velvet fossil]

i think it'd be nice if you could turn off scecific modifiers

idk what its called but the one that gives hostiles shock rounds kinda pisses me off, but i dont mind the rest of the system

[patent fossil]

Depends whether you like having to pay attention a bit more and strategize more carefully instead of just brain-dead 'gun everything down' gameplay. I like them, but I can see why they're not for everyone.

plus some of the passive modifiers you can unlock are crazy powerful (mainly the long range ones tbf)

[sullen sun]

Streger w ND is absolutely nutty

Dmg

Also, I’ve gotten like three of them in cd and I don’t even have the gun unlocked yet lol

[cloud laurel]

No that’s because your build isn’t working with the right modifier you’re using 😉

[rich lotus]

Yes emphasis on brain dead gameplay like mfs will do anything to make this game feel like a COD campaign

its too hard 😡

[marsh river]

for solo play, i dont see anything being even remotely close to hot shot

and even for quite a lot of group content

doing 25-30m dmg per shot, u cant beat it

[rich lotus]

Yes hot shot determined is very engaging gameplay

makes all the new items and reworks feel really important!

[gentle lichen]

Nah just let me 1 shot and do the entire season in a day please

[rich lotus]

TRUE YES THIS IS WHAT I WANTED 🙏

[marsh river]

hot shot any day over the god damn range modifier bullshit and weaponswap gimmicks

[gentle lichen]

It doesn't even matter because you'll glitch your level and reach 97 through 1 priority objective one way or another

[marsh river]

plus there's a certain distinction to be made between poor game balance and poor game design.

[rich lotus]

Are we including Determined in poor game balance or design??

[magic pilot]

With chest yes

[marsh river]

balance. you could even call it a bug if u look at how perfectly determined works. that perk works "correctly", and because it works correctly, it is easily one of the worst talents in the game. while normal determined is easily one of the best. so yeah this is just clueless dev stink

[rich lotus]

ok yes good at least you can admit it’s bugged 😭 some people were coping so hard when it was brought up in the PTS chat

[gentle lichen]

Keep it in pve. Remove it in pvp
Please everyone

[marsh river]

well let me put it this way.. both version of the perk raise question - what are the devs doing? are they really that clueless? on literally opposite sides of the same spectrum.. one is so bad that its hard to believe devs intentionally put that into the game and think it will be used by anyone. the other is so strong that you have to question if they know what they are doing at all..

so it is not unreasonable to assume it's not bugged.. its 50/50 that they are clueless or clueless

[gentle lichen]

Doesn't matter perfect ranger solos

[cloud laurel]

I like determined close range 1 shot with .308 MMR with passive mod. Using 4 hotshot belstone chest with HH and a memento backpack 😉

With mod lady death, you just zumzumzum and pewpewpew anything with 5D actives 😉

Hi @rich lotus I C U LOL

[wise swallow]

werent you just purple an hour ago

[patent fossil]

yup

[alpine furnace]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Yo6-z4IvsgA&si=jAKeGmQbHX7KjvEB

[vestal ibex]

Oh no he gone and done it.

[wise swallow]

I will now ping you for absolutely everything

[solar berry]

👀

[patent fossil]

Hooray!

[magic pilot]

Oh god who let this guy become a mod

First one in like 3 years no?

[wise swallow]

there hasnt been a new mod since ive been here

4 ish years

[magic pilot]

I was talking about that with Azur a minute ago

[wise swallow]

about what

no new mods?

[vestal ibex]

@broken edge also went to the dark side...

[magic pilot]

Yea awhile back we were talking about who was the newest mod

[magic pilot]

Oh shoot

[solar berry]

He been here for a while. I forgot when he became mod

[broken edge]

me

[wise swallow]

oh

bird shot is too

[broken edge]

turns out all you need to do is be a reasonable person

[magic pilot]

How do you do that?

[wise swallow]

2 new people to ping for barely any reason atleast twice a day 👍

[broken edge]

reasonably well

well anyhow do ping if there's an urgent issue, otherwise pls dont

[wise swallow]

can you see when i type not allowed word btw?

who can actually see that

[magic pilot]

@broken edge help I need TP

[solar berry]

They can see anything

[wise swallow]

ones that get caught by discord not gear bot

[wise swallow]

type f word

[solar berry]

Mmm 🤔

[wise swallow]

those types of messages

says only owner can see but I honestly dont know

[solar berry]

I’m sure they have a message log or see auto deleted messages

[wise swallow]

maybe this thing

anyways

[magic pilot]

They have a bot that sends a message with what you said

[wise swallow]

thats gear bot

different that only catches the really funny words

[pearl atlas]

something actually build related but is there any other way I can boost my RoF even further other than the new holster I've seen a peak of around 2315 because honestly this build I used on the pts actually kinda slaps

[patent fossil]

yeah rivens and drib were the last mods to be appointed iirc, at least within the time I've been here

[magic pilot]

Rof rolled on chatterbox

[pearl atlas]

OH TRUE

[magic pilot]

Otherwise that's probably the fastest, maybe that one lmg is faster? Can't remember the name

[vestal ibex]

Slipitinher or however you spell it?

[magic pilot]

That's it

The flinstifser

[pearl atlas]

97 starting components time to see how many it takes to get RoF 🫡

down to 60 and still going I am never going to recover from this

[mild loom]

you gettinng it in next 7

[magic pilot]

That hurts me

[vestal ibex]

Just farm a new one lol

[pearl atlas]

I have seen so many dtoc rolls 😭

[vestal ibex]

Gotta do it for them memes tho

[pearl atlas]

they're sending me to the priority objective mines after this

I GOT IT

was it worth the 73 components probably not!

worlds most expensive +42 RoF

[jolly knot]

i want a basic shotgun build

[hexed steppe]

Hunters fury works well with shotguns.

[pearl atlas]

I have gained at least 342 RoF

[vestal ibex]

Wouldn't the new exotic knees net you more on swaps tho?

[pearl atlas]

if I'm going for the max RPM it'll give 5% more than the strikers but I don't think its very practical to run it with chatterbox

same with impatients 30% bonus the trade off of -50% mag size just tends to not be worth it

new peak with the holster

[waxen girder]

guys , is there someone that has a good jammer/ skill dmg build ?

[solar sable]

fldsrmdfr

[onyx sage]

the sleigher lmg

[magic pilot]

ARs are updated on the sheet

[vestal ibex]

In the pinned messages, spreadsheet under the builds tab.

[mild loom]

can you solo legendary with it?

[pearl atlas]

I have no clue and I'm honestly probably not going to find out

I would guess not though not with my skill level at least

[vestal ibex]

Someone can. Can drib? idk.

There were some guys who did duo DUA lego with grey gear.

[pearl atlas]

I haven't even done tidal/zoo legendary cus I haven't been bothered to 😭

[median stream]

what

[vestal ibex]

Well today is a fine day for some zoo @onyx sage

I think zoo is the weekly too.

[median stream]

what is the dps on that

[wise swallow]

the holster is open world yea?

[pearl atlas]

I believe so

I was hitting around like 5-10mil IIRC but ofc its range so likely to be way less given chatterbox talent stuff

[wise swallow]

ytou got it in open world

[pearl atlas]

I got it off the bugged pass that skyrocketd me to 100 💀

[vestal ibex]

You can use the targets on the left to get chatter buff

[mild loom]

also, does that number include chatter buff?

[pearl atlas]

yes

I made sure to get to 5 stacks of chatter

[median stream]

10mil chatterbox dps is crazy

[median stream]

It got buffed?

[pearl atlas]

the chc/chd isn't that bad either! especially considering I have no chc rolls

[vestal ibex]

I feel like that isn't very high tho.

[mild loom]

no, i meant the rof buff due to incessan chatter talent

[median stream]

Oh aight

[pearl atlas]

oh yeah no I hit that with my standard high end dps build easily without all this busy work of building stacks of chatter

but also yes chatterbox got buffed

[vestal ibex]

Yeah well don't sleep on OD then.

It's more than the HE build now.

[median stream]

time to make a chatterbox build ig

[onyx sage]

yeah but will YOU join?

don't miss out on the animals

[vestal ibex]

Breh I got work late, then shopping, then some speeds... I won't be around for 4.5 hours...

[pearl atlas]

for every mag with impatient modifier I get around 2-3 mil dps

I'm sure with other modifiers I can get it higher

OH MY GOD

switching the target to an armored one with liability it jumped to 6mil

I hit around 20mil with reversal liability & impatient

worlds most expensive chatterbox

I think this thing now has around 105 components in it 💀

boy am I glad I did kenley before it closed

[vestal ibex]

yikes, one expensive meme you got there.

[pearl atlas]

I am to never recover from this financially

[magic pilot]

yes

[vestal ibex]

You wanna do a zoo legendary run in 4 hours with @onyx sage and @magic pilot? We'd do VC in the community discord.

[pearl atlas]

I would be down

[onyx sage]

perfect

[pearl atlas]

god knows I need the exotic cache 😭

[vestal ibex]

lol

[lyric prism]

I will say Striker/ND with the new exotic holster is fun if you choose weapons right

[kindred mango]

Pestilence with it is super fun

[lyric prism]

Yes, very. I put a GR9 in the other slot bc why not and chewed up a lof of ammo but it was fun

[slow moat]

I just wanted to leave my advice on here I don't know if this is where I would do it but my advice is the textile credits that we getting the game I would really love to see some kind of thing get created where we could use textile Credit in new ways because of us getting so many of them in the game

[onyx sage]

do you know of the textile vendor?

and that's not advice, that's suggestion/question

[vestal ibex]

The muffin man?

[dreamy valve]

Do you guys still use Fast hands for ARs?

[magic pilot]

Absolutely

It's one of 3-4 talents to increase sustain and the other ones are all complete garbage

[onyx sage]

i've been using the +15 round mag now

[dreamy valve]

Huh

[magic pilot]

They should've upped the crit mag

[dreamy valve]

What’s the other ones

[magic pilot]

Steady handed, overflow, on empty

[onyx sage]

if we ignore the fact that burst dmg buffs that don't negatively affect reload speed also buff sustained dmg

[magic pilot]

Yes

[flat remnant]

strega buils strikers vs negotiators dilema?

[dreamy valve]

What do you think of the Shield Splinter

I’m testing it along with Burnout and Railsplitter

It’s tough to tell which one is the best

[magic pilot]

Gamer build

[rich lotus]

Yo I’m making that

[solar sable]

why so much brightness

[rustic musk]

so i haven’t been playing for a bit, so what’s the bull brands perks?

this like the new DPS build

[shy willow]

Lengmo 3 pc is 30 percent lmg damage

Lmg damage buffs pesti ticks

Same as contractors petrov

[hasty sluice]

Lengmo is
explosive res
skill health
30% lmg dmg

honestly not my fave set to build for lmg

[clever merlin]

It's probably the hdr

[shy willow]

It's very good for PvP and pesti builds specifically

[hasty sluice]

gotcha. still not a huge fan of the midly useless brand perks

the 25% skill health kinda has its use

[magic pilot]

It's a friends picture

[magic pilot]

Think of it as 3 1 pc petrov

[hasty sluice]

.... I guess

[shy willow]

How much does pesti tick for with that build anyway

Doesn't get affected by dta or dttooc right

[hasty sluice]

DTA does effect the dmg the tick does to armor lol

I take it back 3pc Lengmo doesnt seem that bad

[hasty sluice]

oh and it should be ticking for like 1.3 mill with that setup I think

[thorny latch]

Im shd 100 with 4 pc striker

I need good blue combo

For heroic dz

Gadget is drone and pulse

4 blue core 1.5 mil armor

[solar sable]

drop the drone, useless.
Pulse maybe Jammer or Aquilles
Use 3/3 or 4/2 blues and reds. Just that.
Or run red HB

[thorny latch]

Whats good percentage of chc and chd for shd 100

[solar sable]

Shd doesn't matter at all but generally as close to 60CHC/120CHD as possible

[thorny latch]

I dont think i can get that high at shd 100

[solar sable]

scale this to 2/1 or 1/2 or whatever it's written lol

[thorny latch]

Ok

[thorny latch]

For the extra 2 pcs do i use damage brand or any recommended defensive brand

[solar sable]

instead of the drone you can run Striker Shield (Firewall spec reward)

[solar sable]

You can use either Obliterate or Spotter if running Scanner Pulse

Oh, Ceska

[thorny latch]

And what blue attribute should i put

[solar sable]

None, chc & chd wise

Just blue cores

You're mostly focusing on dmg and armor
Armor regen (IMO) is pointless in PvE

[thorny latch]

I dont play much pvp except for farming exotics component in dz

I mena pvp

[solar sable]

fk I entirely missed heroic dz
You can but shouldn't at your shd level
Your DZ bracket is almost empty so I don't think you'll need armor regen anyways

[thorny latch]

I just want to reroll my st elmo

It has weapon handling attribute atm

I have exotic shotgun, busy bee, ninja backpack, ninja kneepad do i deconstruct them for rerolling st elmo?

Busy bee kinda good roll and ninja backpack might be useful so ill keep them

St elmo currently have max handling attribute

[shy willow]

You definitely can

Especially with shit like EB and Elmo

[fresh fox]

no vigi 💔

[thorny latch]

aight ill try im just casual player i just want to try building at least once

[hasty sluice]

Vigi?

[fresh fox]

vigilance

it buffs pesti ticks

so no ninjabike

[hasty sluice]

im not using pest

[fresh fox]

wtf

what are you using

i saw the pesti talk above and assumed my bad guys

[hasty sluice]

it was just a "lmg" build

[fresh fox]

oh

[thorny latch]

I use sniper during story so my shd points all headshot damage

[fresh fox]

yea i wouldnt use that anyways

not sure why ferocious calm but that’s ok

[solar sable]

which shotgun?
Decon both ninja gear

[slate folio]

Anyone got a built for a lvl 14 (I'm using random guns and I don't know what guns I should be using) ?

[fresh fox]

no builds exist lower than level 40

just use the highest level gear you get

[slate folio]

I got a gear that was level 40- but sadly I couldn't use it

[fresh fox]

yea it’s glitched

you won’t really be able to make a build

[solar sable]

Until you get to lvl40 you'll use it or maybe not depending on its value

[shy willow]

I thought it only scaled off base damage wtf

[fresh fox]

and vigi

twd iirc

but NOT strikers

[onyx sage]

OD also

for some weird reason

[fresh fox]

hollow point is twd ??!

[onyx sage]

no, it's amp

[fresh fox]

nope twd now

[onyx sage]

but it buffs it, despite it being an amp AND striker being an amp because...

no hollow point is amp?

[fresh fox]

evil amp vs awesome amp

yea i know im just messing about

[onyx sage]

truly an evil ampire

[slate folio]

The year that I got that was level 40 was a "fermata mask" 80k

[slate folio]

The sad part is that it's not letting me use it

[molten thorn]

wait why deconstruct ninjabag? what's wrong with it?

(I'm not that person I just wanna know)

[solar sable]

Eh, it's not as great as it looks, just in certain scenarios it's kind of o-k to use

[cloud laurel]

Ninjabackpack is semi good for pvp if build with 100% hazpro for pvp

[boreal ingot]

Dced 3 times in a row can't do mission without getting kick 😦

[dreamy valve]

Is it crazy to say that Rifles have now outclassed Assault Rifles as the premier dps weapon?

[rich cosmos]

Eh

[shy willow]

Ehhh

Definitely in a good place rn but the handling is absolutely appalling

[rich cosmos]

The lvoa being the worst offender and getting a damage nerf for no reason at all

[marsh river]

is there no other source than caches and target loot to find ninjabike backpack? its gonna a rough one to get i think

backpack pool is huge

[deep fossil]

Well, I mean, targeted loot pool on Countdown is ur best bet tbh

Cuz you'll get tons of bags there

[marsh river]

right

[junior surge]

That's kinda how it used to be on high end builds. It was only when strikers came along (which rifles poorly synergize with), that rifles fell out of use. When HE was meta for dps, you'd quite often see the M1a classic and cqb.

[marsh river]

is there a known bug with strega that explains why it doesnt activate it's perk in countdown, except towards the very end with the wave spawns?

i mean this makes it worst in slot gun

doesnt work neither on nego or striker

im thinking strega is a trap and a terrible gun. its base stats are genuinely awful, and its perk seems bugged, and only useful in target rich enviroment. so its a highly situational gun and u will probably have a much better overall performance with another gun.

small magazine and terrible crit chance

[boreal ingot]

NOOOOOOOOO got a god roll Lengmo but DC before Countdown end and all item gone

[red island]

You should still have the item if you looted it even if you get dc

[median stream]

What site is this?

[boreal ingot]

@red island Unfortunately it's not somehow, I was so happy to get it for my lmg build 😛

[hasty sluice]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/

[red island]

Rip u

[median stream]

ty

[upper rover]

Any new meta builds?

Or still ouro/elmo strikers

[tulip charm]

OD is strong now

Oreo got nerfed

[upper rover]

Od?

Ongoing directive or something

[tulip charm]

yeah

[upper rover]

Hm I didn't have build for that

What about new set? What does it do

[tulip charm]

to me its a skip.

[upper rover]

Hm is haz pro op now? The enemies being able to shock u in solo is tough

Unless there's some better way to prevent it

[tulip charm]

I mean I don't run it

iirc theres a passive modifier for haz pro

[upper rover]

Seems fun but a bit bs maybe cuz i don't have the helpful perks only the negative

[tulip charm]

Well the hostile modifier is a chance for it appear per ad

[boreal ingot]

Does Pestilence dot reduce hp of the other Negotiator Mark target?

Like I mark 3 target then I use pestilence on 1 mark do my weapon dmg + dot affect the other 2 or just pure weapon dmg only

[patent fossil]

Only crits are transferred by nego and pestilence dot doesn't crit, so no

[boreal ingot]

ah right I keep forgot about crit dmg part

but that dot not crit huh?

[tulip charm]

No it can’t since its a debuff

[hasty sluice]

nemisis is funny

[dreamy valve]

I thought Rifle handling is better than AR. With the new rifle brand. My Accuracy and stability is maxed with it when combined with the ridiculous attachment bonuses rifles have

The global modifiers also seem to favor long range or close range mostly, with mid range being punished with reflect damage

[shy willow]

It's honestly really nice how good other attachments are now

Definitely enticing to run over crit

[magic pilot]

i may or may not have chc/chd on all pieces

[onyx sage]

okay mister backbone lover

[magic pilot]

I want vigi but I'm poor

I'd love your backbone

[onyx sage]

sir i don't have a double crit backbone

[magic pilot]

I'm not talking about the backpack

[onyx sage]

🤨

[red island]

sounds like you're gonna go down if anyone breathe too hard on you

[magic pilot]

Because of glass? Yea right

[spark valley]

chad backbone enjoyer vs virgin vigilance fan

[hexed steppe]

there are a few people that can thrive on glass, then there is everyone else

[red island]

f glass all my homies thrive on picaro

[hexed steppe]

backfire build 🤓
-# never bleed again

isnt a serious build btw

[pure trench]

And never do damage with it too

[hexed steppe]

good thing everything holds still for me XD

[slate spoke]

is there any news as to why the pinned gear spreadsheet hasn't been updated for a while?

[rich lotus]

cause uncs 👴

[dreamy valve]

It’s volunteer work, so it’s whenever they feel like it

[rich lotus]

i volunteer @onyx sage to update it

legit no one cares buddy

[patent fossil]

No self promotion please.

[slate spoke]

actually looks like some of the guns are updated on it

[cloud laurel]

Is this build bleed you to death?

[cloud laurel]

Hi!!!

[rich lotus]

hi uncle trin

[cloud laurel]

lol noo you’re my 2x uncle hahaha

[rich lotus]

WHAT 😭

[cloud laurel]

I’ve a similar build but I don’t hazpro so I was wondering if you’re bleed to death or not

[hexed steppe]

no bleed , just shoehorned backfire into my hazpro eclipse build.

more for lulz

[cloud laurel]

Ohh interesting

[hexed steppe]

its at 100% hazpro, but only hits maybe 500k with max stacks. not actually worth building, except maybe with red eclipse 🤔 . but thatll be someone else

[vestal ibex]

Really with backfire you just need some AOK, just gunner, memento, HF, para item will be enough.

[cloud laurel]

Ohh my backfire hit up from 350k to 1.5m+ if I get the full buff and I’m not using any hazpro but instead full blue core and AR with memento bp and 1 belstone. I ran on heroic either 2-4 directives on but since most of my build are base on AR so I only run with 2D

With the modifier on ofc otherwise it’s boring! Modifier change so many way of playstyle

[vestal ibex]

Typical strikers with oblit/ceska/gunner ez.

[cloud laurel]

No obli no ceska but yes gunnner lol

[vestal ibex]

Full red.

[hexed steppe]

i just been using 1shot hotshot or mortar build with the seasonal modifiers . requittal messing me up on dps 🍻

[cloud laurel]

I personally don’t like obli so I’m sorry for those who used it but I do keep my stack atleast 100 and full at 200 easy with the mod

[mild loom]

now I know the usual blue-striker setup that's all over YT - Anyone has any other buld ideas that you have had success while doing Solo Legendary? that's my current endeavour - any other solo legen lovers here?

[cloud laurel]

I like to test my build on battlefield to see it goes and and I’m not a type of cover to cover so I like to up close face to face with the enemy ;). I’m not promoting my build I just want to see if other build are different and comparison on what it work. I’ve always respect everyone build bc that’s suit for them

[onyx sage]

i knew you were an unc

[hexed steppe]

👆 that guy

[vestal ibex]

Most of us play aggressively and in the enemies face on full red builds anyway.

[onyx sage]

i don't know how consoles allow in terms of aiming and fast reactions, but on pc full red and 6 skill tier builds are used a lot

blue striker is rarely used. that said i've seen blue striker very commonly used on console so i'm guessing there are some limitations in terms of reaction time or aiming

[mild loom]

highest success I ve seen so far is striker with perf focus...but want to see if there are other setups. (yes - not counting drone/turret as I am aware of that and find that quite passive)

[onyx sage]

you could run it, if you like the comfort it gives, for any platform

[cloud laurel]

I have red build also for legendary face to face or at least close range but on open world I like many builds to see how it is done to enjoy it

[mild loom]

Hunters fury?

[rich lotus]

This is so mean bro

[onyx sage]

i didn't mean to be mean???

[rich lotus]

yeah I know 😭

[cloud laurel]

I have it too much not fun anymore after they buff striker in previous season

[onyx sage]

i say that because i see consoles run blue striker predominantly

[rich lotus]

nah its a different reason why

[onyx sage]

so i'm hesitant to give full red recommendations

[rich lotus]

related to chromosomes

[onyx sage]

bro is meming when i try to give advice

[cloud laurel]

I have 1.9M armor and 100k AR, about 50 CC and 90 or something CHD, using backfire I can ran like a chicken without head

[rich lotus]

your advice always ends up: play aggro with red striker

[onyx sage]

and headhunter's fury

[rich lotus]

yes

so your advice is terrible for the casual playerbase

[onyx sage]

which is why i didn't give it???

especially for console???

[rich lotus]

i’ll see you at 3:30 today thanks

[onyx sage]

okay aside from the derailing, blue striker with memento or red striker are very commonly used for solo

[rich lotus]

Heartbreaker exists FYI

Blue Striker is the stupidest sht ever created

[onyx sage]

i don't recommend it for legendary especially when you get rushed by minitanks in DUA first stage

[cloud laurel]

I felt bad for HB from 130% to 110%… I’m still sad about it…

[rich lotus]

Yeah well its better than obliterate strikers

[onyx sage]

if HB doesn't have that stupid limitation i recommend it in a heartbeat

[cloud laurel]

Hahaha

[onyx sage]

do you even play legendary if you don't spend considerable time shooting minitanks

[cloud laurel]

Hehehe u should watch his speedrun hahaha

[rich lotus]

LOL

[onyx sage]

i do

i'm just saying recommending HB to a new player, they'll bring it to DUA first stage because that's logical

and that's where it falls short the most

[rich lotus]

Rotor Blitz did it with a scanner drone I fail to see the issue

[cloud laurel]

I’ve learned many things from @rich lotus and a few others as well bc they’re respectfully knowledgeable 😉

[onyx sage]

then i guess he doesn't tell you about me either so i'm not bothering...?

[rich lotus]

who ru

[onyx sage]

the problem still fundamentally is the fact that if you have to run into minitanks as your first enemy, HB suffers

and that problem is a lot more real than you let on

[onyx sage]

i'm not in the mood for jokes so i'll just leave if you continue

trying to have a serious discussion and bro keeps derailing

[rich lotus]

OK MB Gang

I just dont see how the first encounter of dua is anything to judge an entire gearset on

there are legit 5 minitanks in dua no

[cyan drift]

pfffff

AGAIN?

[mild loom]

could you suggest some options that you would to a NOT new player?

[cloud laurel]

What is a minitank? It’s chunga or the robot with the minigun?

[mild loom]

fwiw, I play all red focus+striker

[onyx sage]

it's what most players who first attempt legendary die at, because they don't yet know that for some reason the set doesn't stack on them and they underestimate minitanks' ability to flank

[onyx sage]

the robot with the gun and grenades, controlled by the wide brim guy

[vestal ibex]

It's a tank thats mini

[cloud laurel]

Ohh well I always the wheel and then pewpewpew so it can’t run away to be repaired

Ty I was confused

[vestal ibex]

Yeah well HB doesn't stack on those regardless of being pulsed or not.

[rich lotus]

We can only stack on minitanks

[rich lotus]

why would a new player be soloing their first legendary is the real question

Even if someone was unaware of the stacking bug I really don’t think that would end up being an issue. The stacked damage applies still no? If you only think your source of stacks are from stationary objects then I think that’s a bigger issue

100 stacks is not hard to build off ads. Haven’t tried killing a minitank with 0 stacks but I’m sure with trial and error a new player could figure it out with an EMP

[dapper fossil]

Passing by... I love stacking on chungas

Flying away~~

[rich lotus]

The reality is that most content in the game does not have minitanks, and that alone is good reason to NOT run blue strikers

[cloud laurel]

Hahaha

[cloud laurel]

😦 but I didn’t say I’d run blue striker on leg…. Someone else said it or point to @dapper fossil he run blue all the time 😉

[dapper fossil]

Me, striker blue? I don't got enough inventory space for that hahaha

[cloud laurel]

Exactly lol

[blissful void]

I'm new to Ongoing Directive and want to make a fun build for hard/challenging content with demo spec, Vile mask, possibly Wicked backpack. Is it better to go crit rolls or status effects? or keep crit rolls and roll yellow cores to spam skills? (also using Pesty/Carnage)

[patent fossil]

Bleed does little damage or CC so it's not really worth speccing into status effects, crit will get you more (also Vile won't really add much to that build).
OD is a strong dps build right now if you just go all in on WD and crit, wicked is a good choice for backpack.

That said, for hard/challenging difficulty you don't need top dps though so I guess whatever you find most fun.

[onyx sage]

we are discussing solo legendary

[onyx sage]

and we are strictly discussing scenarios where enemy spawn rng specifically places minitanks and controllers as the first enemies you face. when you enter combat enemies will find cover, so your ability to stack will suffer because you can't hit them as easily. but guess what mister John Doe does with striker, he just shoots a minitank for stacks and he has damage to kill ads now

idk i've been saying you don't do much solo legendary to claim all this so i'm calling shade on that. group legendary experience doesn't really count but i do know you do it

[onyx sage]

hunter's fury headhunter as well. sorry i got roped up in meetings. striker with chest as well, it opens up your options to weapons that can't use 8x

[rich lotus]

so we are discussing one super specific scenario gotcha idk where I missed that part

how many legendaries have minitanks in the first encounter just curious

[onyx sage]

not talking about first encounter, across encounters in the same mission

but anyways this dragged on for too long, if anyone wants to run it with HB i'm not stopping them. the set is buffed and is super strong. just keep in mind you either ignore minitanks or be ready to stack first before killing them in order to move on

[rich lotus]

I'm not done with you yet

[magic pilot]

@patent fossil

[bright umbra]

i got this fenris with oblitarate on it , but i would like to change the core , can i do that like exotic recalibrate ?

[magic pilot]

Get this fiveM ad out of here

[versed summit]

You can select it and go into tinkering

[mild loom]

yes- as long as you're happy with every other attribute on it

[bright umbra]

ah so i can't have only red cores ? and for the tinkering i need the blueprints ?

[onyx sage]

just confirming, you mean "cores" as in the first attribute? cuz fenris already comes with red as core

[bright umbra]

oh i might saying something wrong here sorry like i'm new if you see my watch level haha , but anyway i guess its fine and its the way it is

[versed summit]

For teminology, only the first attribute is a "core", the other two attributes are minors

[bright umbra]

ahh okay , well i guess i can't change minors

[onyx sage]

and minors have random colors, you'll have to farm

you can change minors too. you just can only change 1

[bright umbra]

T_T , well for now im gonna be fine its been almost a week im looking for a ceska / fenris with obli

[onyx sage]

1 core, 1 minor, or 1 talent

[bright umbra]

so i guess i need to reroll the core to out of cover damage?

[onyx sage]

no, core is always weapon damage. out of cover damage only comes on guns or on a named piece

[bright umbra]

says this tho

[onyx sage]

you need to extract stuff into your library

[bright umbra]

so the only i can have is 15% weapon damage i guess , damn sorry for being so stupid here just learnin haha

[mild loom]

my suggestion is to farm for fenris chest which has chc/chd and then you can change the talent to obliterate. or maybe you get one with obliterate and has one of chc/chd. the point is - through tinkering, you can only change one thing: core attribute or minor attribute or the talent

[onyx sage]

you don't have any stats yet to recalibrate

[bright umbra]

hm okay , i'll try my luck another time x)

thanks for the infos !

[onyx sage]

and you're not stupid, the first step to learning more is ask and you did that

just ask here if you have more questions

[bright umbra]

I will !

[mild loom]

I am realising how complicated the crafting table has become for new players - so all fair questions and it can be overwhelming

[versed summit]

Yeah it's an incredible difficult learning curve IMO, but it's a good middle ground from being too dumbed down

[bright umbra]

do you think with that build i can do all content in heroic ?

including incursions and such

[dreamy valve]

How’s the handling for the UIC? Is it like the LVOA-C?

[onyx sage]

incursion not really, but heroic missions and open world definitely

getting more stats will help tho

[bright umbra]

and so how i do that , just rng ?

[bright umbra]

if its just farm over and over again just hoping i get the loot based on luck meh

[onyx sage]

are you doing countdown?

[bright umbra]

I'm new player i dont even know what is it and i read online that you get kicked mostly if you dont know how its work so no

[onyx sage]

it's really easy

[solar sable]

well... let me tell you that that's what this game's purpose

[onyx sage]

it's meant for new players to farm in

go matchmake for challenging, follow the team, shoot shit, don't use skills around hunters, profit

[bright umbra]

Yeah i know but i tend to optimize / grind best loot for ultimate challenge , not for average raiding lol

[solar sable]

On heroic yeah, but heroic CD is a lot more emptier than Challenging

[bright umbra]

ill try that i guess

[onyx sage]

it'll take a while before you max all your stats, but you don't need to get all the way before you can do content

i did legendary with mid rolled build after all, so it works

[solar sable]

because you are him, sir

[onyx sage]

no i mean in groups

you already can contribute with a build that has correct rolls

[frosty wolf]

Shotgun HF builds are still good? Other than Scorpio taking a nerf everything else is still solid?

[onyx sage]

ye

[solar sable]

yeah, it just takes... two mags? to proc the last stacks

[frosty wolf]

Yikes..Well at least it gives me a reason to finish IH now and get the pistol xD good to know my build will still be fine.

[onyx sage]

headhunter?

HF regulus is as strong as ever

[frosty wolf]

Yeah. Swapping out to a high end shotgun and using regulus will be my base build now. Has the chatterbox buff been tested much?

[bright umbra]

okay so how do i put obli on this bad boy , all the 3 other have the talent

[onyx sage]

you need to get obliterate in your library first

find another chest with obliterate and extract it

(which you already have)

[bright umbra]

will try that brb operation dark hours !

[bright umbra]

The people from the raid helped me doing that , so tyvm i think its a good piece for now

[polar aurora]

Any advice on a one shot sniper/rifle build? I have one put together but I feel super squishy when I’m pushed by rushers

[patent fossil]

aim faster, rushers tend to run in a nice predictable straight line so they're easy to popshot. Decoy can also help.

[red island]

aim for weakpoint to slow/kill them

or the head

[slate spoke]

anyone running visionario and the 2 piece legatus set for 120% optimal range?

[patent fossil]

when the long-range passive modifiers include one massive buff for headshots and a different one for bodyshots, there seems little point to worry about a bit of damage dropoff

[red island]

i mean its still good to have it but yeah, not that worth it imo

tbh we should theorycraft that

[hexed steppe]

if using determined most will pop when hit. hyena rushers will stagger when the helmet breaks so follow up quick or swap to an ar/smg secondary to finish off

[red island]

real chad will headshot them again to start the cycle again

[hexed steppe]

elmo pretty stable laser and can take advantage of all the hsd on a 1shot sniper build

[sullen sun]

So does anyone know the best pestilence build for pvp?

[tulip charm]

Umbra or 3p lengmo.

[autumn yacht]

i’d probably avoid umbra since it’s bugged rn

[tulip charm]

Eh you use need to reequip it. Not sure if you need to do that every time you respawn.

[magic pilot]

Umbra is what's most common in PvP rn with pesti but 3 lengmo is very strong

[rich lotus]

3pc ligma!

[magic pilot]

Ik for full red it ticks for close to 2m with expertise

(Pve)

[wary crypt]

Do youu know whata is the best RIFLE now after TU22 ? for sustain DMG

[rich lotus]

M16A2 and SIG CQB

idk why you want sustain dps on a rifle tho

[wary crypt]

hmmm what is the one you need to look aat when it comes to rifle? burst dps? or

[rich lotus]

guess you can argue it's based around your own playstyle and content, but ive almost always looked at burst dps over sustain

can always pick a weapon that's decent at both

the M16A2 on paper is at the top of both

I've never used the gun in my entire 6 years of playing this game so idk how it feels

[magic pilot]

You want as much burst without having super low sustain

[magic pilot]

It sucks

It's hard to cycle the burst at the right time and it basically never has fully accuracy

Sig 716 is definitely the best option tho

Mdr and mk17 are decent

Think of it like this sustain for high health enemies like bosses and chunga, burst for normal elites and under

[onyx sage]

should i use high end with the rifle brands now? or should i use aces

[magic pilot]

OD

[onyx sage]

OD is in my consideration already, it's super strong. is aces with rifles worth running for hard content?

[rich lotus]

I made an aces build yesterday 😭

Was running around with a M1A CQB with PFocus. The sound effects from Aces are nice! That’s all I’ll say

30% is really underwhelming tho

Defo think you can achieve higher via brand sets or close to it without needing to proc anything

Actually haven’t tested that