td2-build-advice

[candid night]

prev they(full builds) were top dawgs for highest dps

i guess its no longer true?

[magic pilot]

Striker with chest and bp is still best bet for dps

[rich lotus]

isnt red HB with vigi better than obliterate + striker bp???

👀

idk i forgor what they changed

[rose sierra]

could u send me the link to see all weapons change

[rich lotus]

https://trello.com/b/F2RU9ia9/the-division-2-known-issues

under patches and updates

[rose sierra]

thanks

[peak sphinx]

Wished the marking of the new AR worked with ND but targets killed by dmg transfer wont add a mark... but the extra dmg per mark does apply to the crit transfer...so still perfect gun for ND

And umbra with LVOA-C feels so good, just cant make up my mind wich talent to use on the rifle but using rifleman atm and it does feel most reliable

[dreamy valve]

Pestilence is now one of the strongest exotics in the game imo

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[dreamy valve]

I’m fishing hard for a red backbone now

[peak sphinx]

Havent used it yet. And i tottaly missed that the MK46 lmg got a rpm buff i really like it now

Just wished to merged the wpn dmg picks in skilltree to just 1x 15% dmg. Cus now its to much of a jungle to pick and see if correct one is active

[dreamy valve]

Pestilence is the only weapon that can pull me away from a Striker dps build. The rifle weapons have all improved with full auto, but they still don’t come close to the plague hose that is Pesti

[rich lotus]

Yeah rip spec rework

[peak sphinx]

If only we had one 15% dmg instead of the 3 choices i would be happy and can live with the rework never happening. Just this smal but huge QOL change

[dreamy valve]

I think the spec rework is just too much for the current team, even only coding for the 15% qol

[peak sphinx]

Yea probably right.... but one can hope 😁

[dreamy valve]

Now, to see what I can do with Centurion holster

[ivory token]

Are they going to roll back any of the weapon changes?

[solar sable]

As far as we know, no

[magic pilot]

I have not seen accurate testing done since pts2 changes

[magic pilot]

They've said it's not coming anymore

[rich lotus]

I think HB gives 1.1% now? So HB + Vigi is 2.1 * 1.25 = 2.625 and Striker Bag + Obliterate is 1.9 * 1.2 = 2.28

[magic pilot]

1.1 yes

[rich lotus]

and that's not even considering flatline which you would end up using anyways

[magic pilot]

With striker chest though it's still stronger

[rich lotus]

right yeah

but for most content that doesnt require chest, HB ftw 😎

time to pull it out of the stash

[onyx sage]

using striker chest because it's stronger than HB: 🚮
using striker chest because there are minitanks: 💀

[rich lotus]

struggling against minitanks: 💀

90+% of missions not having minitanks: 💀

[onyx sage]

invaded missions:

[rich lotus]

OH NO YOU CANT STACK ON THE MINI TANK

That makes it unusable

Sorry that you needed a stationary object to stack on!

[onyx sage]

new reddit post: "Heartbreaker bug"

"I can't seem to build my stacks on some enemies!!!1! I pulsed the hell out of these enemies but my bonus armor isn't going up HEELLPP"

[rich lotus]

😭

[onyx sage]

and casuals stacking on stationary objects is 100% going to happen

[rich lotus]

ofc because if it's moving how do I shoot it??

impossible

[clever merlin]

made a centurion build

dunno what to substitute for the mask since you don't really need the optimal range unless you run the modifier

[dreamy valve]

Is it me or did the Umbral Initiative buff icons disappeared?

[clever merlin]

its bugged, have to equip something else and reequip

[dreamy valve]

ok, look like the effects still take place anyways

[clever merlin]

does it? for me the armor regen works but the rof bonus doesn't

[dreamy valve]

oh, yeah might just be the regen

so the set might just be broken entirely

[clever merlin]

it works

just need to test it before going to combat

which sucks cause sometimes i forget and its basically useless

[dreamy valve]

Ill check my weapon stats when I get the stacks

yeah it works, just tested it in the range

so its a visual bug

[weary vector]

in the crib on that -1000% headshot damage 🗣️

[dreamy valve]

Ok, I have now officially replaced my Six12 with an ACS12

[dreamy valve]

the sustain is now much better

[glossy scarab]

pestilence is crazy now

the holster is so good

[west trellis]

Is vigilance worth it or should I swap ?

[finite bluff]

what's a good general purpose build (like just all around activities)

[radiant reef]

Striker and heartbreaker are both solid. For solo memento and foxes knees

[finite bluff]

ty

[mild loom]

is this on striker build?

[magic pilot]

What the

[tulip charm]

Umbra

[graceful portal]

Hello! With the update on Rifles, what are viable builds now that rifles can be fired auto? 🤔 (I got myself an almost god-roll Artist's Tool so I got curious)

[waxen girder]

can someone show me a good eagle bearer build plz ?

[glossy scarab]

no umbra/centurion scabbard

[rich cosmos]

Aces

Aces is probably the best build for rifles currently

[mild loom]

Is that holster random drop or locked to any specific mission?

[clever merlin]

part of the season pass

[hexed steppe]

my nego build tho 😭

[worn mango]

Requital might be the worst thing in gaming

[rich cosmos]

Fair

[hexed steppe]

i havent got a chance to try aces yet, it very well may be better

[rich cosmos]

I haven’t tested many of the good rifles on it but it seems pretty solid

[magic pilot]

PSA you can get strega as a drop without having it from pass

[rich cosmos]

Wait what

Time to farm countdown I suppose

[magic pilot]

Constitution hall is AR that's how I got it

[onyx sage]

uh 🤓 you see, fox is multiplicative

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[hexed steppe]

gotta put that sht on everything

[kindred mango]

Different name here huh 👋

I just noticed the @

[magic pilot]

Yea since I made the guide

[clever merlin]

these 2 with hunter's fury is stupid lol

[analog pebble]

what are Elite patrol activities?

[hazy steeple]

A group of 4 enemies, 3 regular and 1 Elite (usually a Heavy) that spawns from a Control Point and does a big wide loop around the Control Point before returning back.

[analog pebble]

thank you , any idea how often they spawn?

[clever merlin]

They use the walkie talkie symbol

[hazy steeple]

Fairly frequently, if you clear a few.

[analog pebble]

also , why am i taking damage when i am shooting elites? O_O

oh its the new agent modefier thing.

[small mesa]

any good shotgun builds for gun and run in pve thats ez for heroic content ?

[wise swallow]

HHF with a m870

can also just use normal hunters fury with new talent

[small mesa]

Thanks gonna try it

[wise swallow]

hhf can be a little hard to use, takes some getting used to

[eager cloak]

Hello pro gamers, this headshot bonus, is it multiplicative or additive?

Haven't got the modifier yet.

And what is that greatly reduced damage part, is it -90% or something?

The same question for this modifier, I'll be very disappointed if this is additive.

[solar sable]

these modifiers are looking promising

[clever merlin]

i dont have the numbers but it is greatly reduced as it says

i did get 3m headshots on a famas with it

this kinda funny lol

[round zinc]

you can probably shoot someone at roosevelt from capitol with that

[marsh river]

what u talking about? pestilence got buffed?

[shy willow]

Got brought in line with the base m249

Much better rof now

[hasty sluice]

for ref with the tallent I do about 7mill on hs with my M1A and about 88k bodyshot

so uh. alot

What should I roll this to?

[junior surge]

Damage to targets out of cover is best in most situations

[hasty sluice]

Thought so

[eager cloak]

Did someone managed to oneshot 4-man legendary elite without headhunter?

With so many of those insane modifiers, I think it might be a possibility now.

[vocal flax]

My pestilience/lmg build

[eager cloak]

The new gear set on live server says that the multiplier is 2, while the patch notes says it is 1.5, which one is the correct one?

[violet basin]

So uh. Aces and 8's can keep up with strikers in both burst and sustained dps.

I am loving this. Artist's tool is love

Also the new holster is hilarious.
Never needed to reload artists tool because the double ammo capacity buff instantly refills it. Then by the end of the clip the famas(or ouro depending on range) on the fire rate buff will instantly put you back to full stacka

This is just toying around with the old "normal" set. I am fairly certain it can be even more nutty with an even higher ceiling using both chest and backpack

[hasty sluice]

I would just like to make note that Roy has this in stock atm

[eager cloak]

How good is this talent?

[worn mango]

Well, getting two stacks at long range to then just use it for five seconds at a closer range, to then flip and do it all again would be super niche and most likely unsustainable

And to also only provide 35% amp when you can go get sadist that gives 30% as long as you have a status effect

[radiant reef]

What I want to know is what’s the point of the stacks??!! It doesn’t double the damage if you have 2 stacks, it doesn’t last twice as long with 2 stacks. The stacks are meaningless. Why even use them??!!

[versed summit]

Not good

[worn mango]

They give 17.5% clearly. Duhhhhh

[versed summit]

No it's damage per stack looking at the patch notes

So max 60% amp with normal, 70% with perfect.

[worn mango]

Still meh

[versed summit]

Yeah it might be enough raw damage to compete with other damage talents, but the consistency would still be god awful

Like theoretically if you only have 25% uptime on the talent, it's still about 17% amp. But honestly 25% might be too high of uptime.

[eager cloak]

Guys, I've tested Virtuoso gear set, and I made the conclusion that the bonus weapon damage is neither total damage nor amped damage, it's just normal weapon damage.

I need a second observer to confirm this.

[round zinc]

just use strega tbh

[versed summit]

Tbf that is what it was described as.

[round zinc]

so just a worse striker/hb,gotcha

[eager cloak]

The description in this game post TU15 is so finicky, you would thought Bloddy Knucles is +% normal weapon damage, but it is total damage(or amped, I forgot).

[versed summit]

Considering it acts nothing like either of those... you're not wrong

[round zinc]

its not about that the buff is just worse

im not asking for a clone im asking for it to be a viable pick and not gimping myself while using it

[versed summit]

Yeah there's plenty of bad descriptions true. BK is TWD tho

[eager cloak]

So one have to test those stuff in the live server to figure out.

[versed summit]

For sure, just an odd choice for comparison IMO

[round zinc]

which seems to be the theme for most of the new gear sets in recent memory

[round zinc]

because it already set itself for failure when its red

[eager cloak]

Btw, the description of the Virtuoso set is wrong in the live server.

The multiplier is 1.5, like the patch notes.

[round zinc]

maybe im being cynical but im just tired of mediocre gear sets idk

[eager cloak]

Since with +120% weapon damage, it fits my damage number perfectly.

+160% damage is not.

[versed summit]

The whole range gimmick of this season is very odd to me when we can choose the range we engage from, but it's not effective or even doable to switch ranges for a variety of content.

[versed summit]

Not necessarily, hotshot was ok. That was ages ago tbf

[eager cloak]

You can't even trust the word in the game man.

Even the number lies to you.

[versed summit]

Me too

[round zinc]

it was a sniper centric set,mb tho i wasn’t clear,i should’ve said that its a dps centric set

[round zinc]

the truth lies fr

[versed summit]

I mean it sucks that we're not getting better gearsets, but all we can do is hope they look at the gear an rebalance it.

[magic pilot]

Best dps set we've gotten recently was HB lol

[eager cloak]

I thought this gear set has the chance to replace striker gear set in terms of potential damage.

[versed summit]

Sounds about right lmao

[eager cloak]

Since with chest, Striker provide +130% amped damage at full stacks.

[magic pilot]

Highly doubt

[versed summit]

Not a chance lol. And consistency is impossible to match

[magic pilot]

It's more than that

[versed summit]

180 atm

130 without bp

[eager cloak]

And if the virtuoso gear set is also amped damage, then it also provide +120% amped damage if you trigger the effect.

[round zinc]

how many years has it been since rigger lol

its still a worse hard wired

[magic pilot]

Rigger was at release of wony iirc

[versed summit]

Its a worse everything

[round zinc]

nah it was with faye lau

i still remember it for some reason

[versed summit]

They've been awful about rebalancing, but they are getting better

[magic pilot]

That was season 3

[round zinc]

no its s4
s3 was Schaeffer and something else iirc

[versed summit]

Hf season 3?

[round zinc]

yea ur right

[eager cloak]

Considering you can put another talent on the backpack, I'd argue in a another parallel universe, virtuoso gear set might out damage the striker gear set.

[round zinc]

s1 was strikers s2 was eclipse

[magic pilot]

Hunters fury came with another set didn't it?

[eager cloak]

But apparently it is not in this universe.

[round zinc]

the problem is just maintaining it cuz it just seems gimmicky

[versed summit]

In a parallel universe yes, that's how parallel universes work.

[magic pilot]

Nego also out dps striker

But you still see striker everywhere

And Nego has better crit stacking

[eager cloak]

It's much better now, in PTS it reset your stacks if you don't intermittently kill enemy.

[round zinc]

bruh

[eager cloak]

At least in the live server it doesn't reset your stacks.

[round zinc]

because striker is braindead lol

[magic pilot]

Exactly

[versed summit]

Chest nego is probably the highest theoretical damage gearset, but there's a lot of theoreticals there

[round zinc]

big numbers go brrrrrr

[magic pilot]

And the new Set is the opposite

[round zinc]

i dont use chest nego personally but the backpack buff is crazy

116%?

[versed summit]

Chest nego is awfu;

[magic pilot]

No one does

[round zinc]

who approved this

[magic pilot]

You know it's super niche when it's not even used in IH at all

[versed summit]

Lol

[round zinc]

i do remember seeing a team setup for 1 shot floor 100 hunter with it

the main guy uses nego chest to tag all 5 hunters,wait for an OC and 1 tap with tac50

[magic pilot]

Yea I guess I could see that for 4 man team

[eager cloak]

Yeah I remember that.

[round zinc]

thats literally it

[magic pilot]

Still more annoying that just OC Achilles with nemesis and foam

3 dps 1 OC foamer

[round zinc]

because it was 5 hunters iirc

they were spawn killing them
so foam+nego stack+achllies OC

[versed summit]

Yeah it's group size+1

[wheat anchor]

This build is fun

[magic pilot]

IMO that would be just as long as 3 headhunters and foam

[wheat anchor]

70 round bighorn

And cause of modifiers my rifle is doing like 3 million body shots at lrc

[magic pilot]

Drop prov for another Zwia and run ceska

[round zinc]

tbf unless you're lightning fast its unlikely that the headhunter stack from the last room still persists to the hunter room

[wheat anchor]

I have enough cc lmao

[magic pilot]

You don't need them

[wheat anchor]

My cc is 58.2

[magic pilot]

You are running 2 providence?

[round zinc]

there are no ads in the hunter room no?

[magic pilot]

Nemesis and OC Achilles can one shot them

[wheat anchor]

Is ceskas cc buff 10% still?

[versed summit]

You'd want glass over HH tbh

[round zinc]

ahh ic cuz you said headhunter

[versed summit]

8

[wheat anchor]

Then theres no reason for me to change it lmao

[magic pilot]

True ig, HH = mmr

[round zinc]

its a nothing burger nerf tbh

only 2%

[magic pilot]

Prov is kind of wasted that's all

[round zinc]

i feel like the initial backlast was so bad they overcorrected them

[magic pilot]

Since you don't have 3pc

[wheat anchor]

I have grupo

[magic pilot]

Yea....

[wheat anchor]

So literally doesn't matter

[round zinc]

grupo is now 13% iirc?

[magic pilot]

2 pc prov for 10% chc is 5% each

[round zinc]

yea a 2% nerf is a slap on the wrist

if anything this strongarms striker meta even more because HE is lowkey dead now

[magic pilot]

And you would gain more rifle dmg with Zwia

[wheat anchor]

I'm running perfect vigilance so it doesn't bother me

[magic pilot]

🤷‍♂️

You posted in build advice so that's what you got

[round zinc]

maybe with enough powercreep i can finally make a 4 man legendary viable nbb build

[wheat anchor]

Fair enough

[wheat anchor]

My gloves are the named zwia ones

[magic pilot]

Changing those 2 pieces would be a net gain

[magic pilot]

Ik

[wheat anchor]

Oh right yeah I see what you mean

[magic pilot]

There ya go lol

[wheat anchor]

2pc zwia is rifle dmg

[round zinc]

are we ever going to see perfect obliterate on a half decent brand

[magic pilot]

Yep

[round zinc]

like make it sokolov it'd be nice

[magic pilot]

Absolutely not, it will have swap speed as a brand bonus

[wheat anchor]

I probably have a vigilance grupo backpack lying around at least

[round zinc]

i was actually fuming when i saw perfect unstoppable force on lengmo

[round zinc]

movement speed

[wheat anchor]

Thats like asking for perfect galvanise on a non skill oriented gear piece

[round zinc]

galvanized is so kino

i remember that being my main solo summit build for a while

[wheat anchor]

Galvanised base doesn't self buff

Unless the description is wrong

[magic pilot]

That would be a dub

[versed summit]

Next season perfect obliterate with 25 TWD, on brandset with 1 pc stability

[round zinc]

2%

[wheat anchor]

Yeah thought so

[round zinc]

we were so close to a meta shake up with perfect unstoppable

if it was a walker n harris piece it'd have been peak

[wheat anchor]

Ig it makes sense otherwise people would just be running elmos for nice damage upkeep and bonus armor

[versed summit]

Eh

[wheat anchor]

With a good gear set

[round zinc]

i wish they kept the elmo nerf tbh

[magic pilot]

Of course lmao

[round zinc]

it'd have been somewhat competitive

[wheat anchor]

People love complaining about losing their only 70 round weapon

[eager cloak]

Ok, I think the new exotic holster doesn't provide amped damage or total damage either, and the number is also wrong.

[wheat anchor]

Funny considering we have the centurions scabbard

[eager cloak]

That's crazy, I really need another tester to cross confirm this.

[versed summit]

It is competitive.

[magic pilot]

I think it works good

[round zinc]

it literally invalidates the lighter LMGs like the RPK

[wheat anchor]

Exactly

[eager cloak]

the damage is +10% normal weapon damage, this hypothesis fits my damage number.

[round zinc]

but you have to account for the brand doing nothing on a dps build

[magic pilot]

The WD is additive with red cores so it won't ever be a 20% gain

[wheat anchor]

Honestly the scabbard is nice at least

[versed summit]

I've ran the calcs. It beats other brands on at least HF

It's nothing crazy tho tbf

[round zinc]

on HF you’d just run memento afaik

[magic pilot]

For which one? @versed summit

[versed summit]

You can

[eager cloak]

That's what I said.

It's normal weapon damage.

[magic pilot]

Yes... that's what it says

[versed summit]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CyvksGlayNXUGavb4xlcAMOSpRKalSgisHnSu_Eqmr8/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[eager cloak]

But you can't take it at face value, this game lies to you sometime.

[magic pilot]

Ahh backbone

[magic pilot]

True

[eager cloak]

BK is total damage, yet its wording is like normal damage.

But hey, what I'm more concerned about is that even the number is wrong.

It provides +10% normal weapon damage, not +20% normal weapon damage to me.

[round zinc]

pvp people does that +100% melee damage matter

cuz like why tf is it a thing

[eager cloak]

Ok, I fked up.

The number is right.

+20% normal weapon damage.

[wheat anchor]

Shield bashing ig lmao

[round zinc]

yknow the synergy between elmo and that shock holster was really cool

[wheat anchor]

Its situational but yeah the shock aoe thing is nice

[round zinc]

wish the cooldown was lower tho, could've been a nice utility exotic

[magic pilot]

Yes

Claws out, BK, firewall shield and lady death is an actual build

Usually has armor regen and hazpro for the rest

[round zinc]

1 shot?

[magic pilot]

2-3

[round zinc]

i gotta try this shit out

[magic pilot]

Yea it's super annoying

I made it on pc, i can send you a pic when I get off work

[marsh river]

ravenous is full auto now too, and since it shoots 2 shots, its easier to ramp effectiveness with aces

but its still a ravenous..

[wheat anchor]

Slow firing speed?

[marsh river]

its an all around awkward gun , always has been

first and foremost does not work with shields

[wheat anchor]

Oh yikes

[marsh river]

and often not in cover, depending on angle

[magic pilot]

I'm gonna try out rav tonight

[wheat anchor]

I'd imagine its to do with the fact they dont want vigilance/intimidate builds working with it

[marsh river]

no, its cause you have to cosntantly shoulder swap to use its perk

[wheat anchor]

Oh right

That perk

[magic pilot]

Intimidate works well with rav

[dreamy valve]

It’s the best for black tusk

But I already do so much damage without it that I don’t need to use it

[rich lotus]

Is there any point in putting CHC/CHD on a one shot sniper build with Head Hunter? Or should I just put Headshot Damage and Weapon Handling on everything?

[patent fossil]

No point in crit imo

[tulip charm]

The latter.

[versed summit]

You can't get enough crit for it to be worthwhile, so just weapon handling.

[magic pilot]

Explosive resistance

[warm arch]

the cursed

[inner forge]

Can the Strega, the new AR, roll every Attribute, or is there a list? I'm trying to figure out what to roll for on it.

Nvm, I got DTOOC, I'm happy. lol

[magic pilot]

Nice

[raw dagger]

you just gave me an idea

your idea worked

[glossy scarab]

if you're using crit and not headshot then boomerang is a great talent for the M16

[sullen sun]

Does the new talent work in PvP?

[magic pilot]

Which one

[versed summit]

Assuming precision strike

[sullen sun]

PS

Precision strike

[versed summit]

If it does it's pretty gimmicky anyways

[onyx sage]

if you think logically about the playstyle required, it makes you get a long range kill first. then you either spend the stacks on a target that you're close to or have to reposition nearer to. i can see it working in pve, but in pvp, if you're in the 1st situation it's highly unlikely you'll even think about trying to get a long range kill without wanting to deal with the guy up close, and in the 2nd situation it's more likely but you'll have to reposition to get them within range of the damage amp. if you can play like this consistently then it's quite good, but again, it requires a specific playstyle

also, you'd have to be playing a weapon that works in both long and short range. you can't use 2 weapons because you lose the talent proc on swap

[lethal bay]

Remind me, please - do marks from Sniper Spec Drone count as pulse?

[onyx sage]

yes

if you see their outline they're pulsed

[lethal bay]

Spotter will be good then)

[onyx sage]

yeah, just know the pulse doesn't last very long after each proc

[lethal bay]

Yeah, I know

Can't pick between regular pulse and drone pulse... Drone is crazy good because you drop it and it just works. Pulse is good because you can spam it

[bright umbra]

Hello i just hit 40 , any dps build that doesnt use the shield as main skill ? i don't mind the reviver hive , or completly change aswell my favourite type of weapon would be marksman rifle and SMG , tyvm

[onyx sage]

none of them need the shield

you can play without the shield

[versed summit]

Yeah it's just easier to play with tbh

[bright umbra]

i just went to the gdoc thinggy and yeah all of them has the crusader shield so i was wondering sorry x)

[onyx sage]

it's just extra insurance

[bright umbra]

i do understand that indeed

[onyx sage]

the striker shield from firewall does boost your damage though

and it's a bit stronger than the crusader

but that's aside from the discussion

[bright umbra]

I prefer playing with cover to cover way more stylish haha

[onyx sage]

there are sniper builds and there are smg builds, they're separate

"sniper setups" in the sheet, and smg builds are either striker, hunter's fury, heartbreaker, etc. depends on what you like

[bright umbra]

Whats the easiest to get at first , could build a base then improve with time , i've heard you need some god rolls here and there so imo better to start lightly and push fowards

[solar sable]

You don't need god rolls all the time unless you main or abuse that build

Striker's is the easiest to use, you have the 📌 Spreadsheet here with all the builds... but idk if it's been updated to this season

[bright umbra]

Oh yeah i'm looking at it right now

a bit lost ngl i just hit 40 , wanted to finish the main quest on NY but delta 03 lmao

I will try the Umbra Initiative build i think

[solar sable]

Alright, but lemme tell you that Striker's is gonna open a lot of doors to raids and almost any content

[digital heron]

Whats the meta rn so far? Js came back ahhaah

[solar sable]

Almost the same ig, it's just that aces& eight's came back strong

[vocal flax]

What weapon should i use when im running a negotiator dilemma build?

[digital heron]

Damn still striker 😴

Is nego any good this season

[solar sable]

Rifles: m1a-cqb or similar

[solar sable]

It always was

[vocal flax]

Lightweight m4 would be good?

[digital heron]

Any changes to the striker build like the gear and weapons?

[solar sable]

Assuming most rifles became full auto, you can use whatever rifle you like

[solar sable]

Maybe the oblit chest is gonna have to be replaced but I don't think that would happen

[bright umbra]

okay well gonna focus on that thanks for the insight !

So on the Obliterate setup what specialisation i need to be , i see other build are firewall so i guess i should pick that out early ?

[solar sable]

Gunner grants Armor on Kill and a auto refilling ammo pouch

[bright umbra]

it says personal choices tho but hm need to tinker with all spec to find whats fun for me i suppose

[solar sable]

Firewall is better for teamwork but it's up to you

[bright umbra]

oh yeah i attend to play only with friends

[onyx sage]

it doesn't matter too much but there are some things that a spec has that others don't that are critical for a build

damage isn't one of them however

firewall is recommended because of my earlier comment

[onyx sage]

_ _

[solar sable]

each spec grants rifle/shotgun/whatever dmg

[magic pilot]

Sig the best

[solar sable]

oh yeah, this would be great
although you have to be face tanking because the shield has a 10m range

[bright umbra]

Okay well thanks for all the datas , gonna work towars this and hopefully understand more , i wish you all a good evening and a lot of thanks for the help

[solar sable]

you too! don't be afraid to ask

[vocal flax]

What makes sig so good? Seen some people running with it

[fervent flame]

Is aces chest or bp worth running with rifles? I know with MMRs it wasn't due to chainkiller and vigilance

[lethal bay]

Artist's tool is good, but it'd better sacrifice 5% crit chance mod to put 30% stability mod, because it likes jumping a bit if you hold for long

[fresh fox]

swap a crit damage mod for a crit chance mod

[hexed steppe]

*As long as someone remembers to adjust for current weapons

[waxen girder]

can someone help with a good dps AR exotic build plz ?

[frail pine]

how much damage would i need to deal in a 4 man squad in a legendary stronghold to be a good damage dealer?

[onyx sage]

if you can kill them before you get overwhelmed

you deal enough damage

unless you mean headhunter

[solar sable]

stawp

[onyx sage]

???

idk if he's asking in general or about headhunter damage

[solar sable]

I can't get enough of hh

[onyx sage]

cuz there are damage breakpoints to hit for hh

[hexed steppe]

Mortar build would be good damage

Well.... until the drones find you

[magic pilot]

dps and handling

[vocal flax]

Isnt ravenous a sig?

[magic pilot]

yep

[vocal flax]

That explains why my friend liked it so much on our rifle build

Thanks btw

[magic pilot]

np

[waxen girder]

does anyone know a jammer / ensnare build ?

[hexed steppe]

Eclipse cc build

[hexed steppe]

Open world/missions use a standard eclipse cc.
Countdown check out hazpro eclipse cc.
Both versions in the pinned sheet in this channel

[waxen girder]

thank u

[maiden wedge]

Would anyone know where I can obtain the darkwinter

[frail pine]

is 37 million damage every 6 shot good?

[onyx sage]

no way of knowing, give a time window

[fresh fox]

he’s using tapper + by the teeth i think…

i like that combo..

so cool..

[frail pine]

2-3 second i have an rpm of 700

[hexed steppe]

Dz exclusive farming or named item caches

[onyx sage]

are you using the range to test?

also it's better to just give the build details here

[frail pine]

yes i use the range

[hexed steppe]

Snipping tool makes it really easy to paste a build overview

[onyx sage]

it's really inaccurate. the best way to know is to actually use it in legendary.

easier way is to just show the build and we can see any gaps

[raw dagger]

Sig 2nd best in burst dps and 4th in sustain, m16a2 best in both but requires perfect burst timing

[frail pine]

i can easily clear rooms in legendary unless there are more then 3 drone operators i kinda just give up at that point i suck in shooting them

[onyx sage]

again, it's easier to show the build

[raw dagger]

Not really, it has 2 bareels and don’t really share same stats as sig despite both are ar-15 platform similar to lightweight m4; lvoac and uic15. Anyway its based on a gilboar snake

Would say closer to uic15 since they both share 240 rpm

[frail pine]

nah i would keep it to myself i am greedy and uhm yeah greedy

[onyx sage]

okay then cuz we're not really getting any info to say if your build is good or not

if you deem it's good then you didn't need to ask here

[raw dagger]

6mil damage per shot, defo one of the semi auto snipers/m1s

[magic pilot]

Yep I got the same sheets

[magic pilot]

The base weapon for rav is the sig 716

[raw dagger]

I cant really agree on that, they’re too different but ig it is

since they are the only 7.62 rifle that uses ar10 pmags

[magic pilot]

It's not really an agree or disagree thing

That's what the base gun is

[raw dagger]

Like literally?

[magic pilot]

Yes lol

[raw dagger]

The only way i couldve squeeze it through was the magazine, thing should’ve been 320 rpm

But again lvoac exotic is a full auto 850 rpm assault rifle

[frail pine]

blud is actually trying to be helpful instead of cursing the life out of my mother

[magic pilot]

Exactly

[frail pine]

thats insane the for honor community has much to learn from you mate

[raw dagger]

Now we just need to wait for lifhtweight m4 as a full auto

[onyx sage]

i mean i assume you legitimately ask for advice so

[raw dagger]

Thats being normal human being. Which for honor playerbase isn’t really known for

[frail pine]

KEKW of course i know that mate i am one of them

[magic pilot]

It is now lol

Have you not played this patch?

[raw dagger]

I mean full auto, not lazy semi auto

Like lvoac

[magic pilot]

Ahhh gotcha

[frail pine]

btw whats the difference between semi auto and simple tap tap weapon?

[raw dagger]

Same thing, lvoac is a tap tap but the exotic version of it st elmo is brrrr

[frail pine]

wait the elmo's engine's base weapon a rifle?

[onyx sage]

just looks-wise. elmo is based on police m4 stat-wise

[raw dagger]

Like how akm also have an exotic that goes kaboom every 14 rounds

[frail pine]

i never realized that

[onyx sage]

so the buff to police m4 this patch also affects elmo

[raw dagger]

thing still good

[hexed steppe]

No build, no criticism

[onyx sage]

[frail pine]

btw the prime out active modifier retrubution drawback and by the teeth passive modifier combo is pretts good

[radiant reef]

anyone thought about the merciless? Also does grupo bonus stack with its explosion?

[patent fossil]

most people try to avoid thinking about merciless, it gives them the ick

[peak sphinx]

The new gear set that gives wpn dmg on +25m or -25m kill

Gives 40% to mmr/rifles on less then 25m kill and doing both to get 4 stacks doubles it.. so far so good but chest doubles the dmg so the 40% becomes 120% or 160% ( with 4 stacks active)

And 20% for AR so thats 60%xor 80% and pair that with the new exo AR +75% amp... its a bit of a juggle but can get big dmg

[dreamy valve]

Tried the 1886 rifles, damage is good on headshots but still not my kind of weapon as it still needs to pump action on every shot

Although diamond back can still hit hard on the talent proc

[dreamy valve]

Let’s make the build even more busy for the player. Slot in Busy Bee and Cebturion

Wonder how much extra damage you can theoretically do after those proc

[acoustic delta]

Is there an updated spreadsheet with all the new weapon stats n such?

[hexed steppe]

pumping an 1886 might be an issue

[rich lotus]

despite me mainlining 1886, i never noticed if the character animation if even using the lever

does it?

[raw dagger]

Nah they do flick the lever

Bro said pumping💀

[shrewd helm]

My current loadout, I used to use the Foundry bulwark and the Zwiadowka sets and I used that for about 200 levels or something like that but since I started using strikers battlegear I’ve been demolishing enemies and bosses in Dark zones, even heroic difficulty I can easily clear landmarks by my self

[clever merlin]

You can use a ceska piece to get more crit chance

Can use a Coyote's mask too if you really need more damage

Other options are using that 1 brand set with armor on kill too

[clever merlin]

Also I don't think you need skill mods for that build

[hexed steppe]

too bad pestilence cant utilize striker buff towards its ticks. highend with glass and vigilance significantly increases the damage ticks.
you could also slot in memento for some survivability.

[shrewd helm]

I don’t really need more damage, I’m happy with this one, was just showing it to someone that needed a pestilence build I wasn’t looking for advice I was giving it lol

[clever merlin]

Sure but 2FB is a waste there imo since you can get more value with other pieces

[shy willow]

It's a bit all over the place

Better off going for an oblit ceska chest and coyote

[stray pond]

Pestilence ticks can go over 3 mil with by the teeth long range passive modifier. I am getting 2,8 mil ticks with 3 blue cores sawyer's included.

[jolly knot]

hey what kind of set should I use with capacitor with turret.

i keep using umbra and striker with elmos engine but I forgot how it feels to make my sentry turret help

[tacit goblet]

Anyone got any ideas for a Rifle based Build

I wanna try using urban mdr

[pure trench]

I run a hybrid yellow crit build. It's pretty fun

[clever merlin]

can probably get a higher with expertise and max rolled gear

damage is with modifiers though

[pure trench]

Bump

[copper ruin]

I've made brand set loadouts for each weapon type, but with gear sets coming into play, I don't know what to keep or get rid of. I would like to know some popular choices for each weapon type so I can star filtering out stuff I don't need. Are there any absolute stinker brand sets for a weapon type that you would never use because of a certain gear set. Or some great brand sets because the gear set is bad for that weapon type? Also for things like a skill build or tank. I've looked at some tierlists but they're not helpful at all, they just say the name, so then i have to google what the set even does because I'm new and don't recognize them, and then figure out what weapon type it would be good for and which one of the three options to use etc.

[boreal ingot]

Need suggestion for dps build that is not striker and rely on shield that work well for both Solo and group

[patent fossil]

Negotiators is strong this season, helps bypass two of the enemy modifiers too

[autumn bough]

is this a good healers build
still looking for perfect reformation, so far i know designated hitter has it

took a new picture

[gentle lichen]

You'd want btsu gloves as well as a scorpio with opportunistic bag.
Use survivalist for outgoing healing or technician with skill repair

[fresh fox]

use btsu gloves and a alps bag with opportunistic, if you can get the named “The Setup” backpack with yellow core and such

[autumn bough]

im going for a strict healer build

[fresh fox]

that is a healer build

[autumn bough]

the gear set i use increases skill repair and skill duration

plus the safeguard talent increases skill repair by 130%

[fresh fox]

we know, it’s just not great compared to the conventional setup

[autumn bough]

i will try the conventional setup

[fresh fox]

buffing the team even more is better

[autumn bough]

thats fair

thanks for the input

[fresh fox]

no worries

[pure trench]

Take a look at the pinned topics in this channel. Up to date builds and spreadsheet for the gear and weapons

[pure trench]

Alps brand gives you repair skills and opportunistic gives the team even more damage as you shoot with shotgun and mmr. Also as said above btsu gloves are BIS

[copper ruin]

ok that's a lot more convenient than googling, thanks

[worn mango]

I have no idea what's going on with my modifiers, but Strega OD is going 2.5M crits lol

[dreamy valve]

Aces and Eights or Breaking Point for rifles?

[rocky rain]

Is the Petrov Vermedytsya chestpiece hard to get?

[dreamy valve]

Nah just craft it

[rocky rain]

Cool

[inner forge]

Wait, the Backfire build is also getting an update!? That hasn't gotten updated in ages. I can't wait to see what people are cooking there.

Although I'm still trying to do something with the Strega other than just "Drop it into a normal Striker build".

[dreamy valve]

Yeah backfire is fire

I’m planning on using Hunter’s Fury with Strega

I’m also trying to integrate The Grudge into my OD plays as a secondary weapon to buff my group even more

[inner forge]

HF with Strega... AKA Spread all the buffs and debuffs? lol

[dreamy valve]

Extra amp on everyone in close proximity build

[inner forge]

I really need to optimize my gear and finally stop being a Challenging Andy. I am fairly certain my gear is good enough to do Heroic at the lowest, but I just like gunning my way through everything. lol

[dreamy valve]

I think you can solo Heroic stuff, it’s the scaling that you have to account for with 3+ players

[inner forge]

I keep on relying on things like HF though when I bump up to Heroic for the AoK. Even on my Striker's builds, I'm just relying on my Shield and killing them before they kill me. lol

Not having sustain is starting to annoy me, ya know?

[dreamy valve]

Don’t be afraid to slap on some blue cores

[inner forge]

Can you get blue cores on Striker? I thought they were a red core set.

[dreamy valve]

Yeah, just recalibrate the cores

Especially with this Global Modifier, Close quarter bruiser builds are low key meta

[inner forge]

I mean, you either want to play in Red Range or Blue Range from what I've seen. And close quarters is my IQ level. lol

[dreamy valve]

Damage isn’t a problem this season, it’s survivability based on the last few days playing in groups

[inner forge]

Yeah, all of the guns feel really good for this season, even the older ones.

That's why I'm looking into builds I can get more AoK into. And not sacrifice Protection from Elite mods.

[dreamy valve]

I go the opposite, I forsake Aok and go PFE, bonus armor, armor regen on top of blues since I only play Heroic, then slot in defender drone

I find this to be a better safety net for cqb than having to kill something to heal

[chilly tendon]

Do scabbard exo and gunslinger talent synergy?

[inner forge]

Ooo... That could be more interesting than running shield and praying... You run Defender and Revive ball or something else as your secondary?

[dreamy valve]

Yeah it should

[dreamy valve]

I mainly use the firewall shield and defender drone

[inner forge]

Ah, good ol Flamethrower... For when "Deleting that direction" just ain't enough. lol

[dreamy valve]

The firewall shield give you extra damage buff

[inner forge]

Oh yeah, the damage cone off it's front.

[dreamy valve]

So now, I have a 6 tier shield that’s being supported by a 30% damage reduction defender drone, combined with 48% protection from elites. Then I’m getting 3% Armour regen and 30%+ bonus Armour from a max Memento while I’m in combat. And then, even more bonus armor from Heartbreaker with each kill that stacks with Memento

Or you can just go all red and use Sacrifice hahahaha but good luck on reflect

[inner forge]

The reflect guys are the scariest thing in this event so far. lol

[patent fossil]

nah the long range shock ammo guys are the worst

[hazy steeple]

PSA: You can just turn off Modifiers if you're that terrified.

they don't actually give you anything.

[inner forge]

Oh, I agree they're the worst. But the Snake dudes that cause you to melt your soul are scary.

Shock is the worst because they just plink you and by the time you "recover" from that tap, you're stunned again. And then the Snake dudes are just like, "Nice armor you have there, it'd be a shame if you deleted yourself for me."

[spark valley]

the challenge is nice though

was getting complacent with heroic 4 directives, now it's a lot more fresh and varied

[dreamy valve]

I play with public groups, so global modifiers are always on no matter what

[hazy steeple]

I'm a goal orientated Agent. I need a thing to work towards.
Journey? great! Modifiers? not so much.

[spark valley]

snake ones arent too bad coz you can often relocate, shock+fire ones will just run into long or short range themselves and pummel you with status

and if there's more than 1, you get little to no downtime

[spark valley]

i love the grind for new passive modifiers, something very different to grind for, polus they give you a new way to power up your old builds

active modifiers arent really my style, i'm not big on "ability" type things in games, skills and talents are already enough

[hazy steeple]

None of that interests me even a little, but I'm glad others are enjoying them.

[dreamy valve]

Using 4 enemy modifiers plus global, then turning on all directives is a bit too spicy for me

[spark valley]

ill play with all that on except fog of war, wont deal with that shit

[dreamy valve]

FoW is the most underestimated directive people always have on

[hazy steeple]

Underestimated?

[spark valley]

like people dont understand how much of an impact has

im guessing he means

[hazy steeple]

Just throw on Scanner Pulse and know the spawns if you really want it on, but I get that people are still learning.

[spark valley]

what if u dont want to dedicate an entire skill slot to having 1 directive on? lol

[inner forge]

Or you could run HF and just pay attention for the markers to pop up. lol

[spark valley]

plus if ur using ur other skill and u have cool skills turned on too, youre never gonna get to use that pulse

[hazy steeple]

25% bonus XP and higher TL chance, just focus on cover-to-cover and smart placement during play.

[spark valley]

cant play cover to cover with a shield

[hazy steeple]

You don't need to use a shield with HF

[spark valley]

i run hf regulus

[hazy steeple]

I'm doubling down that you probably don't need a shield with that build. That thing is more artillery than gun.

[inner forge]

If I had a Regulus, I'd never use a shield.

[spark valley]

if you had a regulus youd know its very often run with a shield lol

especially after the nerf, now theres a lot more downtime to reload, shield is more valuable than ever

[hazy steeple]

I'll ignore that slightly weird comment.
It can take a while to learn the tricks, and it certainly helps if you know the layout of what you're doing very well, but you can even leave off Scanner Pulse with Fog of War active if you just stay agressive.

[inner forge]

The Regulus, the Ouroborus, and the PvP AR... Those are all out of my reach, sadly.

[hazy steeple]

PvP AR?

[spark valley]

EB i think they mean

[onyx sage]

i run it without a shield lol

[inner forge]

Contaminated zone gun, that was in a raid previously.

I always get gunned down like the nano second I enter that place trying to find it.

[hazy steeple]

It's still in Dark Hours, and has a much higher chance to drop there.
In the DZ, EB has a 0.02% chance to spawn, not altered by TL.

[spark valley]

you can run it without a shield, especially if ur playing from cover

[onyx sage]

not even that

i camp spawns regularly without it

[hazy steeple]

Well that changed quickly.

[spark valley]

what?

[hazy steeple]

"you dont even have the gun" to "yeah you dont need a shield" in 2 minutes.

[onyx sage]

i'd only use a shield with it if i use striker shield. otherwise it's mostly limiting cuz i can't melee bait or swap to m870 quickly because the shield makes me swap slower

[spark valley]

yeah coz im not gonna listen to someone who doesnt have the gun tell me how to use it, i just started talking about how i like to run my build and why i dont like fog of war, and you responded with "just run pulse scanner, but i get that people are still learning"

[inner forge]

The problem is that I am, A: anti-social and play alone, and B: have never seen the inside of a raid, likely never will.

[spark valley]

im not saying there arent other ways to use it or that m,ines the best

[pure trench]

I wonder how much 60% hazard protection will mitigate the special ammo mod

[hazy steeple]

What are you talking about?

[inner forge]

They're confusing what I said with what you said.

[spark valley]

what? no im not

[inner forge]

I said that I didn't have Regulus, Rivens never mentioned it.

[spark valley]

yes but rivens brought up your comment

[hazy steeple]

I'm giving advice, I never said that I don't have the gun.

you should take a 5 minute water break.

[spark valley]

no let me clarify, i promise im not misunderstanding anything

[hazy steeple]

Just drop it.

[spark valley]

rivens said my opinion changed quickly, because derp said they wouldnt run regulus with shield and i disregarded them because they didnt have it, then when rotor said they run it without a shield i said yeah u dont have to

its nothing about my opinion, people can run whatever they want

i dont undertand the hostility

[hazy steeple]

......

aaaanyway.

[pure trench]

Good old build advice channel in it's finest 🤣

[spark valley]

i dont understand why im getting attacked i literally havent said anything dumb ive gone back and read what i said 😭

[hazy steeple]

You are not getting attacked, I told you to move on. Now move on.

Just do it before this has to go official.

[inner forge]

@dreamy valve Okay, what mods do you generally run in your Defender? I'm legit confused on these as I normally only mod my Shield. lol

[spark valley]

ive screenshotted the whole chat

[hazy steeple]

Grats.

[rich lotus]

Defender Drone on Regulus build is meta tbh

[spark valley]

for pvp?

[rich lotus]

No I’ve seen @onyx sage run it on legendary zoo 😎

[onyx sage]

sir, that is libel

[rich lotus]

i disagree

[onyx sage]

i don't use defender drone ever sir

[rich lotus]

you might need the defender drone judging on how many shots you whiffed yesterday

might keep you alive longer!!

[spark valley]

that's why i run (((shield)))🙈

also why i use punch drunk over memento coz then it's easier to get my headhunter stacks back when i inevitably lose them

[onyx sage]

or use dodge city

[rich lotus]

who on earth uses the momento!?!?

[spark valley]

with hunters fury regulus? a lot of people

[rich lotus]

Hmmm

[spark valley]

i use bulwark, pistols my primary

[onyx sage]

yeah that's too limiting for me

[rich lotus]

Idk I’ve never run anything except vigi

[onyx sage]

i use shotgun, white death and regulus depending on which i need

[spark valley]

i used the gift nonstop for my first like 700 hours, im a bit sick of it

[spark valley]

i used to run m870 white death, but with pistolero on ive just kinda pivoted to always using pistol

[onyx sage]

i mean you force that on yourself so that's fair

[spark valley]

plus the extra protection from bulwark over strikers is nice

[onyx sage]

i play legendary content mainly so i don't run directives unless people are nice

[rich lotus]

you can barely complete it without directives

[spark valley]

i do everything on either challenging or heroic 4 directive

missions on challenging just coz i dont wanna have to restart and i only do em for projects and stuff anyway

[rich lotus]

i do them on normal 0 directive

I hold wr on all normal missions

[onyx sage]

incursion is normal but it's not a mission bro

[rich lotus]

shut up.

better than manning national fkn zoo bruh that should get REMOVED as a mission

perma delete that and pentagon

[onyx sage]

okay bro but consider the average player

[rich lotus]

I’ve considered

[spark valley]

nah let him cook

[onyx sage]

most of them would never wipe the mission bro

they play distance and don't push

[spark valley]

snoozefest

fog of war ahh players

[rich lotus]

assault turret and drone is the best playstyle imo

[spark valley]

dude i agree i love to afk division 2

[rich lotus]

truly playing the game like a cover based shooter

[rich lotus]

dare you to tag your next stream as PassivePlaystyle…

instant +20 viewers

your “AggressivePlaystyle” tag is scaring them away

[onyx sage]

sir if i really played aggressive i would have used striker shield and busted chunga helmets with regulus instead of m870

[spark valley]

whats ur regulus build rotor

[rich lotus]

You couldve done all that if u didnt drop on the rusher

[onyx sage]

i have 2

[spark valley]

for pve? one legendary one not?

[onyx sage]

4 HF with backpack, dch, chainkiller

4 HF, d&h concussion, chainkiller

those 2 are my main HF builds

[rich lotus]

Where is the vomit emote

🤢

[spark valley]

yeah mines like ur first one but punch drunk instead of dch

[onyx sage]

hm. you're still using the backpack?

[spark valley]

yeah at first i didnt love it but the extra stun radius comes in handy quite a lot, plus i run it pretty tanky, 2 blues plus tier 3 shield with technician

[dreamy valve]

Besides the extra dmg red mod? More health I guess lululul

[onyx sage]

yeah mine is full red for speeds and stuff

[rich lotus]

Elitist

[onyx sage]

and also i'm comfortable using it everywhere at this point

[rich lotus]

elitist stop

[onyx sage]

shut up

[spark valley]

i was thinking about swapping punch drunk for either gift or d&h with concussion but ive gotten used to it at this point

[onyx sage]

is this why you never run with me

[rich lotus]

yes

[onyx sage]

imo gift will do you wonders since you run shield

i don't have shield so it's not an option for me

[spark valley]

i like running red high end regulus with shield but 6 red evenw ith shield puts me on edge

[rich lotus]

yea he has emp sticky to open doors faster 💀

[onyx sage]

just snap to them heads

[spark valley]

2 blues is such a safety net and once u got headhunter procced it doesnt matter anywya

[onyx sage]

the dogs and minitanks are asking for more representation sir

[spark valley]

thats part of why i run technician, emp nades and extra robot damahe

black tusk missions really slow me down with less headhunter procs

[onyx sage]

that extra robot damage doesn't multiply with hh so it's not as strong as you think

[reef sphinx]

I’m a new player , low SHD level. Any tips or suggestions?

[onyx sage]

it only multiplies with your bullet damage without hh

[spark valley]

yeah ik, its only part of why i run technician but i appreciate every little bit against dogs

[onyx sage]

m870 without that buff kills them already

[patent fossil]

Check pinned spreadsheet

[onyx sage]

that's with full red but idk how 2 blues will do. i think if it does suffer it would only suffer against minigun dogs

[spark valley]

ive had m870 off for a while to get other weapons proficient, only just put it back on now coz im using oh carol

been running cooler and white death for a couple months now lol

[onyx sage]

lmao proficiency gamer i see

[spark valley]

yeah man, never been one to grind for it, first 20 levels felt basically free just donated my garbage, last 2 have been REAL slow

pretty much just exotics and skills left

[onyx sage]

i just use my sponsorships to get to 26

generous donations of printer filament

[spark valley]

you kids theses days and your mules

[onyx sage]

i've only deleted 1 mule

[spark valley]

im gettin er done the old fashioned way

[onyx sage]

organic growth feels more rewarding

[spark valley]

ive only ever made 2, but i probably havent been on em since i made them

[onyx sage]

but yeah i remember it being pain

[spark valley]

that it does tbf

i might actually give the gift a go over punch drunk, hadnt considered using it in so long

[onyx sage]

or use d&h vigi kek

[spark valley]

or ill try and get a d&h with vigi or even concussion, would rather have the pistol damage for dogs

[spark valley]

ye exactly

[autumn viper]

If you want to run striker use the backpack and gloves and get a cheska chest piece with obliterate talent

[bright umbra]

just go this bad boy on the second time i do the mission , what mods should i put there ?

[urban latch]

Check out the pinned spreadsheet, there's a strikers guide in there

But short answer to your question crit mods. Answer you didn't ask for, stop running the 5th strikers piece and get 1p ceska in there

[bright umbra]

thanks

hell im trying to get a ceska wdym hahaha

did a bit of summit before changing for coyote haha

got one now but with a bad perk i suposse , what the one i should have on it ?

[gentle lichen]

Bag or vest?
If vest then obliterate. Despite the nerf it's still a good choice

[bright umbra]

vest

should i get this before moving to st elmo / rock n roll or AA 12 ?

i mean i guess its easier to have so i should keep grinding that

[fresh fox]

yea

[spark valley]

Yep

[bright umbra]

alright thanks

[gentle lichen]

Elmo isn't as great as before but you could very well have a decent ar

Check post patch weapons and see which one is the best in terms of high end

[spark valley]

Right now you’re just plain wasting a slot having 5 strikers, if you don’t want to grind for the chest you could also just throw foxs kneepads on

[fresh fox]

don’t worry about rock n roll

[spark valley]

As for ARs, as NB said Elmo’s isn’t as good as before, I’d personally recommend a carbine 7 or an m4a4

[bright umbra]

Yeah i changed for a ceska but not the correct talents so im gonna continue until i get the it , ouroboros maybe then ?

[spark valley]

Ouroboros also got nerfed but it is still very strong, keep in mind if you’re using ouroboros you won’t be as effective at range, might want to run something other than the rock and roll with it

Also because of ouroboros fire rate you don’t really need the rock and roll to build stacks anyway

[bright umbra]

indeed , what would you consider ?

sadge i liked the design of st elmo haha

[spark valley]

Elmos is still viable, if you want to use it, certainly go ahead!

It just might not be the best in slot in terms of DPS currently

[bright umbra]

Yeah , well im totally new to the game so i dont think i could tackle very high end content that need to be like everything perfect i guess ?

but i'll go with smg target loot after ceska , just for fun , then AA 12 with good rolls i guess

actually idk i dont know if a marskman would be useful as a striker

[spark valley]

Ouroboros doesn’t drop from target loot for the record

The slower fire rate of marksman rifles is kinda wasted with strikers

[bright umbra]

ohh , damn , from caches and paradise lost only ?

[spark valley]

Only paradise lost, incursion exclusive

You should be able to find a group here that will take you, me and my friend used to carry fresh level 40s through the incursion to get them an ouro

[bright umbra]

damn , its gonna be one hell of a grind , well guess i wont have choice , st elmo is in the targeted loot ?

[spark valley]

St Elmo’s is, yes

[bright umbra]

oh yeah im gonna post on the lfg when i feel like it , tyvm

[covert rune]

whos having fun with the pestilence and wants to share a dope build ? (solo play preferred)

[merry ocean]

I need help on my build

[tulip charm]

Gotta show the build, stats and what are you trying to achieve.

[merry ocean]

How to better yur gear

ok

im not on pc or phone carnt send the pic build i got thru xbox

[tulip charm]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/

Just build it here

[merry ocean]

How

[spark valley]

Go to the website, it’s a template for making builds, there’s a slot for each slot of your loadout

[merry ocean]

done how do i send

[tulip charm]

save and share

[merry ocean]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/KwFgtMYAzW4w2jlIFzEogjLLBmFRAJiVKlQDYKwB2WE6rEawss1PATjC24A4wJVsPbA8YAdSE8ubEQlTy5yhVgoxqIOlijgdjKJlxZgfblVA5OnVFj56J4oyk6gaAznxohMtpjxU5RQ4WQPI8ASUoIA

[rich lotus]

Damn nice build bro

The Shocker Punch + Ninjabike synergy is crazy

[spark valley]

No kneepads is a bold choice but I can see it paying off

[merry ocean]

move quicker

[urban latch]

id add the ninjabike knees as well

either that or start over, which might be a better idea

[wheat anchor]

If only we were allowed 2 exotic gear pieces at once

[hexed steppe]

OP just needs @onyx sage improvised ninjabike build to unlock godmode

[rich lotus]

ik people are sayin rock n roll / aa12 is best for secondary strikers weapon? but is it really a need lol

i dont seem to have an issue building stacks with just elmos

[tulip charm]

Well its not really necessary if you arent running striker chest but its nice to be able to have high/full stacks if you have the chance to do so.

[rich lotus]

yeah im only running backpack, i have ceska chest on

any other suggestions for secondary weapons then?

[tulip charm]

Hmm no clue cuz with strikers you rarely swap guns if you’re running elmo.

If you mainly use high gun ie famas or f2k then you have a bit more flexibility.

Oh I guess lefty for utility purposes.

[junior surge]

When I use elmo, I run an smg as secondary since it has high innate crit chance, so I can run it at 60% chc for close range, and the elmos at 50ish% chc, which works really well with coyotes

[hexed steppe]

rarely use striker, but my goto weapon combo has been elmo/m1a cqb on it. once elmo stacked the rifle still hits hard af. also gets a handling boost

but im a nego fanboy so striker is really just a back burner thing when i really need single target damage

[hexed steppe]

possibly one of the higher capacity rifles that run full auto now

[autumn yacht]

no it’s not at all

more of a redundancy bc there’s nothing else to rlly use and it’s potential utility

[rich lotus]

ooo tempting, any reccs?

[finite spindle]

So what would yall recommend for a sniper build cause rn I’m using a Model 700 Replica with both core attributes maxed out and the Attributes is Accurate at 5.4% but I feel like it can be better

[hexed steppe]

i usually use m1a cqb, but its low capacity. maybe one of the sig variants. i havent got a chance to really test out most of the rifles. others will likely have a better idea of bis rifles, so hopfully they chime in on this.

[hexed steppe]

model 700 and m700 carbon both still high damage. whitedeath is back in play with the recent changes afaik.
ideally your 3rd attribute youll want damage to targets out of cover. definitely chainkiller vest, 4(or 3) pc hotshot , vigilance talent bag. determined weapon talent allows for body shots to count as headshots and keeps headhunter procced until you dont kill , like when a heavy has a helmet.

there is a pinned spreadsheet with builds. sniper setups has a few builds. this is currently what i been using. sharpshooter spec, stability to 100% and rest of attributes hsd

[finite spindle]

Alright thanks for the help

[mild loom]

I know it’s hard to sustain , but a 4pc striker ( with chest+bp) at 200 stacks is the max dps build right ?

[mild loom]

How’d you bump stability to 100? Weapon mods ?

[onyx sage]

yeah it's the best sustain

[mild loom]

Ty

[onyx sage]

weapon handling rolls, though this update buffed stability mods to smithereens

you can reach 100% with just 3 stability mods

[mild loom]

Right right - I just use the white death, but seen a lot of ppl run M700 and even SRS , will give it a shot

[mild loom]

I tried to put scabbard on my striker focus build , it’s good - not great as I was expecting it to be

[onyx sage]

white death also has 3 mod slots, i personally fit all 3 with stability but might be overkill since i ended up having 131% stability overall

[onyx sage]

coyote still ends up being the most stable?

[mild loom]

Yep

[onyx sage]

that's fair

[mild loom]

Strega was supposed to go with scabbard but 1. Rpm is too low to maintain >100 striker stacks and 2. Can’t use focus with it
But I can see the value of that gun in a closed small room in legendaries

[shy willow]

Throw it on ND and watch the magic happen

[mild loom]

I’ll give it a shot for sure , solo legendary is my benchmark but I’m down to try

[onyx sage]

yeah it feels best on HF tbh

[graceful portal]

what's the best rock and roll attribute? DTOC?

[modest acorn]

Fellas, rate my build

[fresh fox]

poop

[modest acorn]

How poop we talkin about ? Indian or the anus after taco bell ?

[fresh fox]

idk its close to being good

chest could be better

ceska would be a great start

[modest acorn]

Mine is Everyday Carrier

[fresh fox]

yea its not great

[modest acorn]

But is perk does

Really sace me a few kit

[onyx sage]

kill them fast enough and you don't have to kit

[shy willow]

Always dttooc

[tacit goblet]

how to improve this

[shy willow]

What are you trying to do

[tacit goblet]

PVP

Conflict/DZ

[tacit goblet]

For the chest, I want to replace it with unbreakable, so I don't die immediately in a face trade

[shy willow]

Idk about backfire in pvp

Stacks don't last very long and take a while to ramp up

[tacit goblet]

Should have a base 135% crit damage tho

[shy willow]

Crit chance is capped at 60 percent

[tacit goblet]

Sry meant damage

[shy willow]

If you're going for an exotic smg for PvP ouro is probably a lot better

[tacit goblet]

I'm really trying to lower my crit chance

[shy willow]

Even after the nerf

Talent is very nice and the DPS is good

[tacit goblet]

Ik, this is before I get ouro, it's a pain in the ass to get

Actually probably, ouro doesnt need to ramp up damage

[rich lotus]

Not sure if it's been mentioned, but White Death is actually the highest damage MMR for headhunter atm, that's both for first shot and maximum top end damage. That is all. Have a nice morning.

[rocky rain]

What is the recommended Gearset for a LMG build? Mostly solo, no PVP

(I have all Exotics)

[dreamy valve]

You can copy my lmg builds

[dreamy valve]

How bad is the SR-1 now

[raw dagger]

guys which one is better? 1st or 2nd, im building for m16a2 rifleman headshot only build but idk if the extra headshot damage would outweight the 20% extra damage

tldr: idk how the headshot multipler works

[dreamy valve]

Just tested Aces and Eights with Artist Tool and it feels promising. Will test further once after the Monster Hunter Beta is over

[raw dagger]

i accidentally deleted the 288k pic, that one should be 3 piece breaking point while the other one is 2 piece eagle grasp

[dreamy valve]

I don’t know why some of you guys like the burst from the M16a2 when most of the rifles are full auto with higher accuracy

[raw dagger]

simple, highest burst dps and sustain dps among rifle. people wouldnt care even if it was semi auto only

[dreamy valve]

I guess so on paper, just doesn’t feel right when I was using it, after lasering with the MDR

[raw dagger]

well i guess its down to how to deal with the recoil and trigger timing

i practiced hella lot with it to nail down my headshots consistently, if i can already do that then why would i waste having less overall dps and damage on an easier to use rifle?

[dreamy valve]

People sleeping on that Diamondback too

[raw dagger]

it didnt got any buff did it?

[dreamy valve]

Yeah it did, it’s weapon based on the 1886 did so it also got it

[raw dagger]

tho the main reason people dont want to fiddle with it is bcus of the randomly mark target, similar to vindictus

imagine you're being swarmed by black tusk rusher and it marks the drone lady

[dreamy valve]

I switch it when there’s like one or two enemies left

Then it usually kills one of them very quickly

[raw dagger]

then what happen after that

[dreamy valve]

They die

[raw dagger]

you only got 5 seconds

to make benefit of it

[dreamy valve]

Yeah I use auto aim with it

[raw dagger]

no like the buff only last 5 secs ater only 2 enemies left right ?

so you're using an entire gun only for 2 enemies

where before theres only 2 left you get no benefit because its randomize the picking

and if it picks someone within your shooting window, great. if its not > gun is useless

[dreamy valve]

They usually die before the buff timer goes out since it does so much damage

I think it’s like 10 mill per shot when the buff is up

[raw dagger]

i dont get the purpose you're using it for

lets say if it marks someone you cant shoot, which is more than half the time cus this thing rng is dogshit> what you gonna do with it?

like i get the 10 mil per shot, but thats like...2 bursts of m16 or simply 2 shot of any semi auto dmr

btw im not hating on the gun,im purely out of curiosity how did you find and made it useful

[dreamy valve]

Still does great damage without the buff, it’s more effective than people think during combat as well

[raw dagger]

right, and what makes it more worthit than lets say, the normal 1886 with determined or rifleman ?

since they deal similar damage and one can get headshot chain kill/ consistently having 50% extra damage

[dreamy valve]

It’s a secondary gun I like to use is all, I’m still testing out the way of the rifles that I have, but I always switch to Diamondback to finish off any enemies left

It’s just reliable cause I have max accuracy and stability with my rifle loadout

[raw dagger]

so like its a fun gun to run for cleaning off

not as a main add clear or dps gun ?

[dreamy valve]

Yeah that’s what I’m using it for

[raw dagger]

what would you think on a normal 1886 for the same slot with boomerang/riflemen or determined?

[dreamy valve]

Boomerang? You can use Virginian if you do for CHD/CHC build

[raw dagger]

oh yea i forgot that gun exist

[dreamy valve]

Determined I just use a full on sniper with my M700 Carbon

[raw dagger]

yea i run white death with it

we got too far off from me question

[raw dagger]

is the extra hs damage worth over 20% less damage?

[dreamy valve]

Yeah

HS dmg is a multiplier to your base dmg

[raw dagger]

so first build is better ?

[dreamy valve]

Yeah

[raw dagger]

bet

[raw dagger]

so basically 288k * 249% vs 310*219% ?

[dreamy valve]

Yeah there should be a damage formula that was posted all the time here

[raw dagger]

have anyone tried out new g28 ?

they turned it into a m1a but sniper ammo

[dreamy valve]

Total damage = base weapon damage * (1 + weapon damage) * (1 + CHD + hsd) * (1 + dta or dth) * (1 + dttooc) * (1 + amp)

I tried SVD, that’s also full auto now

[raw dagger]

ye, thing got nerfed tho

cant 4 taps named enemy anymore, im angy

[dreamy valve]

I feel like its not worth the trouble with high damage rifles competing in the same area as the G28/SVD

[raw dagger]

ye

ace of eight being allowed on rifles goofy ahh idea

[dreamy valve]

I tried SVD with Aces, was bad imo

The kickback from it made the full auto shots miss so much

[raw dagger]

just tap it like before lol

i main dread edict with ace of eight and it serves super well, wish they didnt nerf the damage tho

or just yknow, not touch it at all? Like having full auto on rifles is understandable but not on snipers man

[dreamy valve]

Ace of eight with Artist Tool, was a bit better though, can actually get head shots off with full auto

[raw dagger]

yea like i said

its not worthit cus they nerfed it

i ran it with 1 piece hoshot+ninjabike and ace

and been using it to outdamage striker users for the past 2 seasons

then boom, damage nerf and full auto makes it shoot everywhere

nobody asked for the semi auto snipers to get full auto, people asked for RIFLES

[dreamy valve]

Even with the buffs rifles got, I do think LMGs this updated got even more amped up, specifically the Pestilence. Less people focusing on that I feel

[raw dagger]

you mean the 20 videos just in a day about pestilence umbra ?

there is only one single video about m16 with ace

and dude wasnt even using riflemen

[dreamy valve]

Nah, just high end pestilence

With Legmo

[raw dagger]

well still, everyone is making vid about pestilence

[dreamy valve]

That build drowns out any rifle build in damage

Disgusting amounts

Pure filth of the plague

[raw dagger]

ima test it real fast :v

[dreamy valve]

Probably cause it’s harder to build cause you need certain gear pieces

Rifles are good when enemies have heads to shoot, but Pesti just melts everything without much aiming

[raw dagger]

fair enough

[dreamy valve]

Here see if you can try this out if you have the pieces

[devout iris]

so what is strega good for which build? cause i just go it

[raw dagger]

im guessing its more of a sustain dps than burst like rifles right?

[dreamy valve]

It does both weirdly

The rpm just hoses down dps while the tick damage is near infinite

[raw dagger]

im trying youtuber's build

how tf 8 mil dps is good in their book

this is bighon without any damage buff

title: 1375 RPM BEST PESTILENCE BUILD DESTROY EVERYTHING

[dreamy valve]

Uhh I haven’t tried Strega yet but I’ve seen people use it with strikers

[raw dagger]

-does 8 mil dps

[raw dagger]

ppl been running it with nego too

[dreamy valve]

I’m going to try it with Hunters Fury

Turn it into a cqb bruiser weapon

[raw dagger]

surprisingly youtuber's build for pestilence works pretty ok with black friday